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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,044 --> 00:00:01,845 In the city of Los Angeles, 2 00:00:01,846 --> 00:00:03,247 the people are represented 3 00:00:03,248 --> 00:00:05,883 by two separate yet equally important groups... 4 00:00:05,884 --> 00:00:07,851 The police, who investigate crime, 5 00:00:07,852 --> 00:00:11,321 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:11,322 --> 00:00:13,983 These are their stories. 7 00:00:15,596 --> 00:00:18,453 - But I thought the house we're buying was in foreclosure. 8 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,303 - Look, the, um-the bank messed up the paperwork. 9 00:00:21,371 --> 00:00:24,165 They're supposed to call me today. 10 00:00:24,233 --> 00:00:26,348 - I'm sorry. I can't stay, Mr. Vela. 11 00:00:26,415 --> 00:00:27,826 I have to get to my church picnic. 12 00:00:27,894 --> 00:00:30,971 - Don't forget to buy my raffle ticket. 13 00:00:33,446 --> 00:00:36,422 - What about the other house- the one with the red shutters? 14 00:00:36,490 --> 00:00:38,629 We can swing the payment- - yeah, for the first year. 15 00:00:38,697 --> 00:00:41,206 Yeah, but then you'll be in over your head before you know it. 16 00:00:41,273 --> 00:00:43,412 Look... 17 00:00:43,480 --> 00:00:44,715 Just be patient, okay? 18 00:00:44,783 --> 00:00:46,421 You'll get the house you want, 19 00:00:46,488 --> 00:00:48,995 and it won't keep you up at night. 20 00:00:49,062 --> 00:00:50,764 That's her job. 21 00:00:50,834 --> 00:00:52,871 - Oh, sweetheart. 22 00:00:52,939 --> 00:00:54,474 Mr. Vela is right. 23 00:00:54,542 --> 00:00:56,680 We don't want those kinds of worries. 24 00:00:56,747 --> 00:00:58,618 - I just want zuleima to have her first birthday 25 00:00:58,685 --> 00:01:00,022 in her ownackyard, you know? 26 00:01:00,090 --> 00:01:02,262 Lots of balloons, a big pi�ata. 27 00:01:02,330 --> 00:01:04,068 You'd like that, hey, beautiful? 28 00:01:07,245 --> 00:01:09,351 Hola. 29 00:01:09,419 --> 00:01:10,322 Yeah, sure, hold on. 30 00:01:10,390 --> 00:01:12,498 It's Mr. Vela. He wants to talk to both of us. 31 00:01:12,565 --> 00:01:14,404 - Go ahead, Mr. Vela. - Good news- 32 00:01:14,471 --> 00:01:16,441 I just called the bank officer at home. 33 00:01:16,508 --> 00:01:18,009 The foreclosure got straightened out. 34 00:01:18,076 --> 00:01:19,913 The house is yours, muchachos. 35 00:01:19,981 --> 00:01:21,013 - Oh! 36 00:01:25,390 --> 00:01:27,157 - What's all that- 37 00:01:27,225 --> 00:01:28,390 Oh, no, no, no, no. 38 00:01:28,458 --> 00:01:29,758 Dios mio, dios mio. 39 00:01:29,826 --> 00:01:31,160 Get in here, quick! Shut the d- 40 00:01:32,496 --> 00:01:33,697 What do you want? 41 00:01:33,765 --> 00:01:35,032 No! 42 00:01:35,100 --> 00:01:37,202 - Mr. Vela. 43 00:01:37,270 --> 00:01:39,706 Mr. Vela. 44 00:01:55,136 --> 00:01:59,909 - The 911 call came in just after 4:00. 45 00:01:59,977 --> 00:02:01,745 Six dead. 46 00:02:01,813 --> 00:02:04,750 We got empty purses, wallets and watches missing. 47 00:02:08,423 --> 00:02:11,059 - 9-millimeter casings by the front door- 48 00:02:11,127 --> 00:02:13,262 suspect came in shooting. 49 00:02:13,331 --> 00:02:15,399 It's not your typical m.O. For a stickup. 50 00:02:15,467 --> 00:02:17,769 People were on the phone with the owner, Mr. Vela, 51 00:02:17,837 --> 00:02:20,440 when they heard it go down. 52 00:02:20,508 --> 00:02:22,376 Mr. Vela's been doing business here 14 years. 53 00:02:22,444 --> 00:02:23,878 He's got a good rep in the neighborhood. 54 00:02:23,946 --> 00:02:25,848 - Any indication how the suspect got in the building? 55 00:02:25,915 --> 00:02:28,585 - My guys found the doors downstairs locked. 56 00:02:28,653 --> 00:02:30,688 Building manager says they keep them locked on the weekends. 57 00:02:30,755 --> 00:02:32,290 - Hey. 58 00:02:32,358 --> 00:02:36,262 Somebody's bad habit's probably what let the suspect in. 59 00:02:36,330 --> 00:02:39,567 Same brand as the victim's. 60 00:02:39,634 --> 00:02:41,403 Shooter was watching the place, 61 00:02:41,470 --> 00:02:43,939 figured somebody'd be coming out for a cigarette break. 62 00:02:44,007 --> 00:02:47,445 - And they followed the smoker back in before the door closed. 63 00:02:47,513 --> 00:02:49,648 It's not a great part of the neighborhood. 64 00:02:49,716 --> 00:02:52,218 - No, but it looks like the people in Mr. Vela's office 65 00:02:52,286 --> 00:02:53,587 were doing well. 66 00:02:53,655 --> 00:02:55,055 - Maybe somebody up there 67 00:02:55,123 --> 00:02:58,192 didn't like having their nose rubbed in it. 68 00:03:04,918 --> 00:03:08,721 Big shots. Practically every day, I hear them leave 69 00:03:08,788 --> 00:03:10,322 in their fancy cars, 70 00:03:10,390 --> 00:03:12,123 racing their engines. 71 00:03:12,191 --> 00:03:14,158 - Did you hear anything today around 4:00? 72 00:03:14,225 --> 00:03:17,060 Yeah. Pop, pop, pop. 73 00:03:17,128 --> 00:03:18,728 Then I heard a door slam. 74 00:03:18,796 --> 00:03:22,264 I looked out and saw someone running 75 00:03:22,332 --> 00:03:23,398 between the buildings. 76 00:03:23,466 --> 00:03:25,300 - What did this person look like? 77 00:03:25,368 --> 00:03:28,370 - Sorry. My eyes are going... 78 00:03:28,438 --> 00:03:31,306 Because of the diabetes. 79 00:03:31,374 --> 00:03:32,508 - Look, I'm telling you, 80 00:03:32,575 --> 00:03:34,377 I didn't see nothing, all right? 81 00:03:34,444 --> 00:03:36,311 I was out all afternoon. - Come on, miss. 82 00:03:36,379 --> 00:03:38,079 I know you got something for me. 83 00:03:38,147 --> 00:03:39,813 You were just down in the laundry room. 84 00:03:39,881 --> 00:03:42,783 You heard people talking. 85 00:03:42,850 --> 00:03:44,818 All right, broke-ass Eddie ramos- 86 00:03:44,885 --> 00:03:47,220 he never has two nickels to rub together. 87 00:03:47,287 --> 00:03:49,321 He's flashing a big roll tonight. 88 00:03:49,389 --> 00:03:53,891 He's asking out every other girl in the neighborhood. 89 00:03:53,959 --> 00:03:55,192 - All right. 90 00:03:55,259 --> 00:03:57,794 - Un doble cinco alli. 91 00:03:57,861 --> 00:03:58,827 Otro mas. 92 00:03:58,894 --> 00:04:00,796 - Hey, Eddie ramos. 93 00:04:00,863 --> 00:04:03,131 You stay. The rest go. 94 00:04:05,767 --> 00:04:07,868 - Come on, man. What's up with this? 95 00:04:07,935 --> 00:04:09,636 Soon as I got a little ahead, you guys show up. 96 00:04:09,704 --> 00:04:10,805 - Don't sweat it, Eddie. 97 00:04:10,872 --> 00:04:12,506 Just wondering where you got the stake 98 00:04:12,573 --> 00:04:14,041 to get in the game in the first place. 99 00:04:14,108 --> 00:04:15,777 - I got a little business going- 100 00:04:15,844 --> 00:04:17,278 washing cars around the corner. 101 00:04:17,345 --> 00:04:19,113 - Too bad you forgot to wash the blood 102 00:04:19,180 --> 00:04:20,380 off those bills. 103 00:04:20,448 --> 00:04:21,948 - Hey, man. 104 00:04:22,016 --> 00:04:23,716 It was like that when I found it, all right? 105 00:04:23,784 --> 00:04:25,351 - Yeah, you better show us where. 106 00:04:25,419 --> 00:04:26,919 Let's go. 107 00:04:31,691 --> 00:04:32,858 - That bag right there. 108 00:04:32,925 --> 00:04:34,292 Huh? 109 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,061 I found it here when I was taking a leak. 110 00:04:36,128 --> 00:04:40,297 Yeah, that's it. 111 00:04:40,365 --> 00:04:44,534 - I count five wallets and four watches. 112 00:04:44,601 --> 00:04:45,635 - I didn't touch no wallets. 113 00:04:45,702 --> 00:04:47,470 I just took the cash that was loose. 114 00:04:47,537 --> 00:04:50,405 - And that nice watch on your wrist. 115 00:04:50,473 --> 00:04:51,640 - Yeah. 116 00:04:51,707 --> 00:04:53,909 T-that too. 117 00:04:53,976 --> 00:04:56,177 - I'm not feeling it with Eddie. 118 00:04:56,244 --> 00:04:57,744 His story holds, plus witnesses saw him 119 00:04:57,812 --> 00:04:59,346 out on the corner most of the afternoon. 120 00:04:59,413 --> 00:05:01,047 - So what are we thinking- 121 00:05:01,115 --> 00:05:04,150 suspect dropped the swag by mistake? 122 00:05:04,218 --> 00:05:05,784 Or the whole stickup angle is a misdirect? 123 00:05:05,852 --> 00:05:07,052 - I go with the misdirect. 124 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:08,420 The suspect tried to throw us off the scent. 125 00:05:08,488 --> 00:05:09,788 - Yeah, the mortgage office was a mess- 126 00:05:09,856 --> 00:05:12,090 files everywhere, like somebody worked out their anger 127 00:05:12,158 --> 00:05:13,558 with a 9-millimeter. 128 00:05:13,625 --> 00:05:15,926 - Well, who can tell us what there was to be angry about? 129 00:05:15,994 --> 00:05:19,495 - Maybe the three brokers who weren't working this afternoon. 130 00:05:19,563 --> 00:05:21,664 - Mortgage brokers aren't the most popular people 131 00:05:21,732 --> 00:05:22,898 these days. 132 00:05:22,966 --> 00:05:24,834 But our office was different. 133 00:05:24,901 --> 00:05:27,937 Mr. Vela helped a lot of people get into their first homes. 134 00:05:28,005 --> 00:05:29,771 - Well, he had most of the staff working on a Saturday. 135 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:31,172 Was there a problem? 136 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:32,540 - No, we just had a lot 137 00:05:32,607 --> 00:05:34,441 of time-sensitive applications to get out the door 138 00:05:34,509 --> 00:05:35,776 because of the foreclosure mess. 139 00:05:35,844 --> 00:05:37,778 - And you just happened to not be there? 140 00:05:37,845 --> 00:05:39,445 - Hey... 141 00:05:39,513 --> 00:05:40,880 Those people were my friends. 142 00:05:40,948 --> 00:05:43,749 - All right, just answer the question, Mr. Pe�a. 143 00:05:43,817 --> 00:05:45,951 - Well, I was on my way back fromeeing a client. 144 00:05:46,019 --> 00:05:48,285 The traffic on the pomona freeway was backed up, 145 00:05:48,353 --> 00:05:49,620 so I hopped off, grabbed some lunch, 146 00:05:49,687 --> 00:05:50,720 and went home. 147 00:05:50,788 --> 00:05:52,721 - I didn't have as many deals closing 148 00:05:52,789 --> 00:05:54,456 as the other brokers did, 149 00:05:54,524 --> 00:05:56,391 so I went home early. 150 00:05:56,458 --> 00:05:58,558 Otherwise, I'd... 151 00:05:58,626 --> 00:06:00,392 Be dead like the rest of them. 152 00:06:00,460 --> 00:06:02,228 - Lot of people trying to hold on to their homes 153 00:06:02,295 --> 00:06:03,429 in this market. 154 00:06:03,496 --> 00:06:06,231 Some customers must get pretty emotional. 155 00:06:06,298 --> 00:06:07,932 - Yeah. 156 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,466 We get the occasional hothead. 157 00:06:09,533 --> 00:06:13,234 - You're thinking of one right now. 158 00:06:13,302 --> 00:06:15,136 - Last Friday, when I was out at lunch, 159 00:06:15,204 --> 00:06:18,772 everyone was talking about this Asian guy. 160 00:06:18,840 --> 00:06:20,574 He went off on Mr. v. 161 00:06:20,642 --> 00:06:23,077 - He was a Korean businessman. 162 00:06:23,144 --> 00:06:26,480 He tried to borrow money to buy a strip mall. 163 00:06:26,547 --> 00:06:29,548 You could hear him shouting even with the door shut. 164 00:06:29,616 --> 00:06:31,383 - Did he make a specific threat? 165 00:06:31,450 --> 00:06:32,383 - I didn't hear. 166 00:06:32,451 --> 00:06:34,418 All I know is that after, 167 00:06:34,486 --> 00:06:38,855 Mr. v. Told us to warn him if Danny choi showed up again. 168 00:06:41,325 --> 00:06:43,025 - I trusted him. 169 00:06:43,093 --> 00:06:45,928 I had a chance to buy a corner strip mall in el sereno. 170 00:06:45,996 --> 00:06:48,431 I thought it'd be easy through Vela, but I was wrong. 171 00:06:48,498 --> 00:06:50,332 The bank rejected my application. 172 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,570 When I asked Vela why, he wouldn't tell me. 173 00:06:53,638 --> 00:06:55,771 And that's when I started to get mad. 174 00:06:59,575 --> 00:07:00,875 I didn't shoot him. 175 00:07:00,943 --> 00:07:03,810 I was here all day. Everybody saw me. 176 00:07:03,878 --> 00:07:06,246 - Yeah, we'll ask them. What'd you do after you got mad? 177 00:07:06,313 --> 00:07:09,081 - I went to the bank to ask what happened. 178 00:07:09,149 --> 00:07:11,216 They said they had trouble with applications 179 00:07:11,284 --> 00:07:13,218 from Vela's office. - What kind of trouble? 180 00:07:13,286 --> 00:07:14,820 - They said the mortgage applications 181 00:07:14,887 --> 00:07:16,087 were filled with lies. 182 00:07:16,155 --> 00:07:18,756 I proved to them that my application was okay. 183 00:07:18,824 --> 00:07:20,058 They said it didn't matter. 184 00:07:20,125 --> 00:07:23,060 They weren't doing business with Vela anymore. 185 00:07:25,963 --> 00:07:29,032 - Whatever I told Mr. Choi is beside the point. 186 00:07:29,099 --> 00:07:30,933 You'll have to go through corporate in Missouri. 187 00:07:31,001 --> 00:07:32,835 We're not just gonna open up our approval process. 188 00:07:32,903 --> 00:07:35,170 - Hmm, well, it'd be great publicity for their banks. 189 00:07:35,238 --> 00:07:36,939 Slowing down a homicide investigation 190 00:07:37,007 --> 00:07:38,474 with six victims. 191 00:07:42,378 --> 00:07:45,747 - Why did you stop doing business with Vela? 192 00:07:45,815 --> 00:07:48,249 - Five of their applications came up tilt- 193 00:07:48,317 --> 00:07:50,918 inflated income, hidden debt. 194 00:07:50,986 --> 00:07:52,953 It looked like someone was trying to defraud us 195 00:07:53,021 --> 00:07:55,956 of over $2 million. 196 00:07:56,023 --> 00:07:57,990 - Borrowers? - I don't think so. 197 00:07:58,058 --> 00:08:01,226 I told Mr. choi that even though his application was fine, 198 00:08:01,294 --> 00:08:03,128 we just couldn't take the chance. 199 00:08:03,196 --> 00:08:04,796 - So who are you pointing the finger at- 200 00:08:04,864 --> 00:08:06,064 Vela or someone in his office? 201 00:08:06,132 --> 00:08:09,567 - All I know is that's not how we do business. 202 00:08:09,635 --> 00:08:11,468 I stamped the applications rejected, 203 00:08:11,536 --> 00:08:12,569 and I sent them back. 204 00:08:12,637 --> 00:08:15,639 That's the last I heard from Mr. Vela. 205 00:08:15,706 --> 00:08:17,573 - My old man used to say 206 00:08:17,641 --> 00:08:20,376 when it's sunny out, banks will give you an umbrella. 207 00:08:20,443 --> 00:08:22,044 But the second it starts raining, 208 00:08:22,112 --> 00:08:23,045 they'll take it back. 209 00:08:23,113 --> 00:08:26,547 - That's why I'm happy renting. 210 00:08:26,615 --> 00:08:28,783 - I'm not finding the rejected applications 211 00:08:28,850 --> 00:08:29,884 from the bank. 212 00:08:29,952 --> 00:08:33,053 - They're not in here either. 213 00:08:33,121 --> 00:08:35,088 Maybe it's what the shooter was after. 214 00:08:35,156 --> 00:08:37,057 - Loan fraud. 215 00:08:37,125 --> 00:08:38,792 Only the nine people in this office 216 00:08:38,859 --> 00:08:40,426 could have worked on those applications. 217 00:08:40,494 --> 00:08:42,561 - And six of them are dead. 218 00:08:49,427 --> 00:08:51,427 A two millions dollars loan fraud? 219 00:08:51,428 --> 00:08:53,763 - We don't know who prepared the bogus applications 220 00:08:53,830 --> 00:08:55,397 or who the borrowers were. 221 00:08:55,465 --> 00:08:57,199 - Well, if all the shooter wanted 222 00:08:57,267 --> 00:08:59,267 were those applications, why didn't he just break in? 223 00:08:59,335 --> 00:09:01,036 But shooting all those people- 224 00:09:01,103 --> 00:09:02,771 this guy's got a big-time grudge. 225 00:09:02,838 --> 00:09:05,005 - Yeah, that argues for the coworkers. 226 00:09:05,073 --> 00:09:06,906 We've got al Hayes. 227 00:09:06,974 --> 00:09:08,541 He was the rookie, worked there less than a year, 228 00:09:08,609 --> 00:09:10,577 said he was home when the shootings happened. 229 00:09:10,645 --> 00:09:11,878 Then we got Debbie Beltran- 230 00:09:11,946 --> 00:09:13,646 said she went to a church picnic and then home. 231 00:09:13,714 --> 00:09:15,381 - You don't hear about too many women 232 00:09:15,448 --> 00:09:16,948 shooting up their workplace. 233 00:09:17,016 --> 00:09:19,250 - Felipe Pe�a's alibi is that he was stuck in traffic 234 00:09:19,318 --> 00:09:20,485 on the pomona freeway. 235 00:09:20,552 --> 00:09:21,954 Then he went home to his wife and kids. 236 00:09:22,022 --> 00:09:23,656 - The problem is that that freeway 237 00:09:23,723 --> 00:09:25,591 was clear that afternoon. 238 00:09:25,658 --> 00:09:28,460 But there was a sig alert on the 605 connector 239 00:09:28,528 --> 00:09:31,896 between the 10 and the pomona freeway. 240 00:09:31,964 --> 00:09:33,798 - Hmm, Debbie Beltran. 241 00:09:33,865 --> 00:09:35,064 She lives in el monte, 242 00:09:35,131 --> 00:09:37,632 right where the connector feeds into the 10. 243 00:09:37,700 --> 00:09:39,200 - I'm not lying. 244 00:09:39,268 --> 00:09:41,402 I went home after the picnic. 245 00:09:41,470 --> 00:09:42,737 - Debbie, we have cell phone records 246 00:09:42,804 --> 00:09:44,605 that prove that Felipe called his home 247 00:09:44,673 --> 00:09:48,074 from your house just after 3:00. 248 00:09:48,142 --> 00:09:50,810 - I don't see how that's any of your business. 249 00:09:50,878 --> 00:09:52,378 - This is a murder investigation. 250 00:09:52,446 --> 00:09:56,348 Everything is our business. 251 00:09:56,416 --> 00:09:59,618 We know about the bad loan applications, Debbie. 252 00:09:59,685 --> 00:10:01,052 - That was a mistake. 253 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,455 And it was only that one time. 254 00:10:04,522 --> 00:10:07,424 - Keep talking. 255 00:10:07,491 --> 00:10:10,827 - I was trying to refinance my own house. 256 00:10:10,895 --> 00:10:14,230 And I-I couldn't get the numbers to work, so I fudged it. 257 00:10:14,298 --> 00:10:15,498 Felipe caught it. 258 00:10:15,566 --> 00:10:17,167 And, well... 259 00:10:17,234 --> 00:10:19,334 He showed me how to work the numbers 260 00:10:19,402 --> 00:10:20,702 so I could get the loan. 261 00:10:20,770 --> 00:10:22,437 - Why would he do that? 262 00:10:22,505 --> 00:10:25,273 - Because... 263 00:10:25,340 --> 00:10:29,341 He's helping me pay my mortgage. 264 00:10:29,409 --> 00:10:30,942 - She told you all that? 265 00:10:31,010 --> 00:10:33,711 Man, that's why you can't put women in charge of the C.I.A. 266 00:10:33,778 --> 00:10:35,778 They talk too much. - Well, let's talk about you. 267 00:10:35,846 --> 00:10:37,446 You pay a mortgage on your house. 268 00:10:37,514 --> 00:10:39,047 You're helping Debbie with hers. 269 00:10:39,115 --> 00:10:41,316 That's a big nut every month. - I'm good at what I do. 270 00:10:41,384 --> 00:10:42,684 I close a lot of deals. 271 00:10:42,751 --> 00:10:43,851 - You know how to work the numbers. 272 00:10:43,919 --> 00:10:45,686 A magician is what Debbie called you. 273 00:10:45,754 --> 00:10:47,288 - I follow industry standards. 274 00:10:47,356 --> 00:10:48,556 - Yeah, what about the loans 275 00:10:48,624 --> 00:10:50,791 that got rejected by southland pacific bank? 276 00:10:50,859 --> 00:10:53,560 - I never had any loans rejected, 277 00:10:53,628 --> 00:10:56,730 because I made sure my loans never went to southland pacific. 278 00:10:56,797 --> 00:10:58,965 Those guys make a federal case if you drop a comma. 279 00:10:59,032 --> 00:11:00,233 - We're gonna check that. 280 00:11:00,300 --> 00:11:01,567 So, again, for the record, 281 00:11:01,635 --> 00:11:05,570 where were you between 3:00 and 4:15 last Saturday? 282 00:11:05,638 --> 00:11:08,072 - In Debbie's bed. 283 00:11:08,140 --> 00:11:12,475 You don't have to tell my wife, do you? 284 00:11:12,543 --> 00:11:14,410 - A man with two wives loses his soul. 285 00:11:14,478 --> 00:11:16,578 A man with two houses loses his mind. 286 00:11:16,646 --> 00:11:17,878 - Tell me about it. 287 00:11:17,946 --> 00:11:19,847 The timing here is pretty tight. 288 00:11:19,914 --> 00:11:21,681 He made two calls on his cell from Debbie's house 289 00:11:21,749 --> 00:11:24,049 at 3:05 and 4:25. 290 00:11:24,117 --> 00:11:25,217 An hour and 20 minutes 291 00:11:25,285 --> 00:11:27,253 from el monte to el sereno and back? 292 00:11:27,321 --> 00:11:30,156 - It's doable. - Barely. 293 00:11:30,224 --> 00:11:32,525 Before we take this to the D.A., 294 00:11:32,593 --> 00:11:34,760 nail down that Felipe was the one who prepared 295 00:11:34,828 --> 00:11:37,763 the rejected loans, okay? 296 00:11:37,831 --> 00:11:39,498 - We need to talk to the borrowers. 297 00:11:39,565 --> 00:11:40,498 They could tell us. 298 00:11:40,566 --> 00:11:41,933 - Well, the first thing they do 299 00:11:42,001 --> 00:11:43,701 when you apply for a loan is check your credit report. 300 00:11:43,769 --> 00:11:45,536 There's got to be a list of all the reports 301 00:11:45,604 --> 00:11:48,038 the mortgage office pulled. 302 00:11:50,108 --> 00:11:53,243 - You saw how bad my credit report is? 303 00:11:53,310 --> 00:11:55,077 I was ready to say forget it. 304 00:11:55,145 --> 00:11:56,746 But the mortgage broker wouldn't let me quit. 305 00:11:56,813 --> 00:12:00,549 - Who was your broker? - Al Hayes. 306 00:12:00,617 --> 00:12:02,217 - Did you ever deal with a Felipe pe�a? 307 00:12:02,284 --> 00:12:04,785 - No, mm-mm, just Mr. Hayes. 308 00:12:04,853 --> 00:12:07,120 I swear he needed that loan approval worse than I did. 309 00:12:07,188 --> 00:12:09,256 - Why do you say that? - He kept saying it was hard 310 00:12:09,323 --> 00:12:12,492 for folks like us to get loans past his boss. 311 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:14,794 - Folks like you? - Black people. 312 00:12:14,861 --> 00:12:16,261 He said the deck was stacked. 313 00:12:16,329 --> 00:12:18,597 So he had to add seasoning to my loan package 314 00:12:18,664 --> 00:12:19,698 to make me look better. 315 00:12:19,765 --> 00:12:21,399 - Yeah, how'd that work out for you? 316 00:12:21,467 --> 00:12:23,234 - The bank turned me down. 317 00:12:23,302 --> 00:12:25,504 When I spoke with Mr. Hayes, 318 00:12:25,571 --> 00:12:27,405 he said if his boss, Mr. Vela, called, 319 00:12:27,473 --> 00:12:29,942 I shouldn't talk to him. - He say why? 320 00:12:30,010 --> 00:12:31,744 - He just said he'd handle everything. 321 00:12:31,812 --> 00:12:33,680 He was always handling everything. 322 00:12:33,747 --> 00:12:35,247 He even had me get mortgage insurance 323 00:12:35,315 --> 00:12:38,249 from his girlfriend. 324 00:12:38,317 --> 00:12:40,417 - A lot of people in Mr. Vela's office 325 00:12:40,485 --> 00:12:43,687 referred business to me, not just al. 326 00:12:43,755 --> 00:12:46,190 I lost a lot of friends that afternoon. 327 00:12:46,257 --> 00:12:49,726 And I'm just thankful that al didn't... 328 00:12:49,794 --> 00:12:51,694 - You saw him that day. - Yes, of course. 329 00:12:51,762 --> 00:12:54,195 I was having lunch at my parents' 330 00:12:54,263 --> 00:12:55,930 when I saw the news on the tv, 331 00:12:55,998 --> 00:12:57,431 and I called him right away. 332 00:12:57,499 --> 00:12:59,066 - He wasn't with you at your parents'? 333 00:12:59,134 --> 00:13:00,834 - No, he stayed home. 334 00:13:00,902 --> 00:13:02,702 They don't like that he's divorced with kids. 335 00:13:02,770 --> 00:13:04,270 - Hmm. I know that feeling. 336 00:13:04,338 --> 00:13:07,106 Did al ever complain about how the office was run? 337 00:13:07,174 --> 00:13:09,342 - No. He got along with everyone. 338 00:13:09,410 --> 00:13:11,944 But it was rough on him in the beginning, 339 00:13:12,012 --> 00:13:13,212 him being the odd man out. 340 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:14,680 - Odd man- why, because he was new? 341 00:13:16,215 --> 00:13:18,249 - You mean because he's black? 342 00:13:18,317 --> 00:13:21,752 - It's embarrassing to hear my own people act like racists. 343 00:13:21,820 --> 00:13:24,387 - Something happened. 344 00:13:24,455 --> 00:13:26,589 - At the office barbecue last summer, 345 00:13:26,657 --> 00:13:30,558 I heard someone refer to him as a mayate. 346 00:13:30,626 --> 00:13:32,661 - Did something happen to your shredder? 347 00:13:32,728 --> 00:13:34,497 - It got jammed up a few days ago. 348 00:13:34,565 --> 00:13:37,066 - Did al know people were calling him names 349 00:13:37,134 --> 00:13:39,101 behind his back? - No, I didn't tell him. 350 00:13:39,169 --> 00:13:40,436 He was already frustrated, 351 00:13:40,503 --> 00:13:42,804 thinking that they were keeping the good leads from him. 352 00:13:42,872 --> 00:13:44,773 But it had all gotten so much better lately. 353 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,274 - How's that? 354 00:13:46,342 --> 00:13:47,809 - Well, he has a lot of closings coming up. 355 00:13:47,876 --> 00:13:49,910 And just the other day, before all this happened, 356 00:13:49,978 --> 00:13:52,045 he said he was about ready to start his own firm 357 00:13:52,113 --> 00:13:55,515 and that then maybe we can finally get married. 358 00:13:55,583 --> 00:13:58,184 - So, while Hayes' loans are being rejected by the bank, 359 00:13:58,251 --> 00:14:00,686 he's telling his fianc�e he's starting his own business. 360 00:14:00,754 --> 00:14:01,854 - Flight into fantasy. 361 00:14:01,921 --> 00:14:03,789 He was probably about to get canned. 362 00:14:03,857 --> 00:14:05,157 Excuse me, sir. 363 00:14:05,224 --> 00:14:07,926 If you're gonna throw that away, we'll take it. 364 00:14:07,994 --> 00:14:10,362 - Knock yourself out. - All right. 365 00:14:10,429 --> 00:14:14,032 Yellow and green- look familiar? 366 00:14:14,100 --> 00:14:15,634 The shreds in the machine match the folders 367 00:14:15,701 --> 00:14:16,768 in Vela's office- 368 00:14:16,836 --> 00:14:18,770 same material, same color. 369 00:14:18,838 --> 00:14:20,171 We think the shredded folders contained 370 00:14:20,239 --> 00:14:22,740 the bogus loan applications that Hayes prepared. 371 00:14:22,808 --> 00:14:25,108 - The working theory is that Hayes felt 372 00:14:25,176 --> 00:14:26,744 he was being singled out for being the only black guy 373 00:14:26,811 --> 00:14:28,011 in the office. 374 00:14:28,079 --> 00:14:29,479 He thought maybe he was about to be fired 375 00:14:29,547 --> 00:14:30,913 or even prosecuted for loan fraud. 376 00:14:30,980 --> 00:14:33,348 So he got angry, killed his coworkers, 377 00:14:33,416 --> 00:14:34,916 stole the applications, 378 00:14:34,984 --> 00:14:37,251 and shredded them at his girlfriend's office. 379 00:14:37,319 --> 00:14:38,753 - Love the theory. 380 00:14:38,820 --> 00:14:40,754 Your evidence- not so much. 381 00:14:40,822 --> 00:14:42,623 Can we prove definitively that the shredded files 382 00:14:42,690 --> 00:14:44,190 came from al's office? 383 00:14:44,258 --> 00:14:45,759 - No, not yet, but the lab found blood 384 00:14:45,826 --> 00:14:47,760 on some of the folders- it might match the victims'. 385 00:14:47,828 --> 00:14:49,261 - Hayes is clean- no record. 386 00:14:49,329 --> 00:14:51,029 But he's in the database as a witness 387 00:14:51,097 --> 00:14:53,665 to a robbery at a bank where he worked two years ago. 388 00:14:53,733 --> 00:14:55,533 And the detective who worked the case noted 389 00:14:55,601 --> 00:14:58,335 Hayes was very traumatized by the incident 390 00:14:58,403 --> 00:15:00,570 and asked how he could get a gun for protection. 391 00:15:00,638 --> 00:15:03,506 - An expressed desire to obtain a gun. 392 00:15:03,574 --> 00:15:05,741 On top of everything else, I think we have probable cause 393 00:15:05,809 --> 00:15:07,743 for a search. 394 00:15:09,913 --> 00:15:11,346 - This is crazy. 395 00:15:11,414 --> 00:15:13,448 Al didn't have anything to do with that massacre. 396 00:15:13,516 --> 00:15:15,517 - Did you have your office keys with you Saturday? 397 00:15:15,585 --> 00:15:18,253 - No, I left them in that bowl by the door. 398 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,354 Al, baby, call me back. 399 00:15:20,422 --> 00:15:21,822 The police are still here. 400 00:15:21,889 --> 00:15:23,155 - Hey, winters. - Yeah. 401 00:15:23,223 --> 00:15:26,558 - 9-millimeter rounds in the closet. 402 00:15:26,626 --> 00:15:27,793 Half the box is empty. 403 00:15:27,860 --> 00:15:30,028 - Where's al now? - I don't know. 404 00:15:30,096 --> 00:15:31,462 He was supposed to pick up his kids 405 00:15:31,530 --> 00:15:33,331 and bring them here, but he hung up on me before, 406 00:15:33,398 --> 00:15:35,466 and now he's not answering. 407 00:15:35,534 --> 00:15:37,601 - Al, come on, al. 408 00:15:37,668 --> 00:15:40,103 - What's going on, ma'am? - Al, let me in, please! 409 00:15:40,171 --> 00:15:41,371 - Ma'am? 410 00:15:41,439 --> 00:15:43,073 - My ex-husband is inside with our kids. 411 00:15:43,141 --> 00:15:44,641 - Mr. Hayes! 412 00:15:44,709 --> 00:15:47,644 - He might have taken them into the back, in the bedroom. 413 00:15:47,711 --> 00:15:49,179 - Does he have a gun? 414 00:15:49,247 --> 00:15:52,148 - All right, come on, get against the house-right there. 415 00:15:52,216 --> 00:15:53,750 Here, dial his number. 416 00:15:53,818 --> 00:15:56,119 - Okay. 417 00:15:59,155 --> 00:16:02,325 - Go with him. 418 00:16:04,027 --> 00:16:07,129 - Who is this? 419 00:16:07,196 --> 00:16:08,996 - Mr. Hayes, this is detective winters. 420 00:16:09,064 --> 00:16:12,100 We talked a couple of days ago. - I know who you are. 421 00:16:12,167 --> 00:16:13,501 - Yeah, you can call me Rex. 422 00:16:13,569 --> 00:16:16,838 Can I call you al or Albert? 423 00:16:16,905 --> 00:16:18,806 - Albert. 424 00:16:18,873 --> 00:16:20,907 - Okay, Albert, I'd like to come inside 425 00:16:20,974 --> 00:16:23,008 and make sure your kids are all right. 426 00:16:23,076 --> 00:16:25,376 - They're fine, all right? No one's getting in my house! 427 00:16:25,444 --> 00:16:27,244 It's my house! I paid for it! 428 00:16:27,312 --> 00:16:29,346 - I understand, Albert. 429 00:16:29,414 --> 00:16:30,580 We need to talk 430 00:16:30,648 --> 00:16:32,582 about how we're gonna resolve this situation. 431 00:16:32,650 --> 00:16:34,351 You know, it doesn't have to end badly. 432 00:16:34,419 --> 00:16:35,518 - Oh, so now you gonna tell me 433 00:16:35,586 --> 00:16:37,187 that there's a better way out of this. 434 00:16:37,255 --> 00:16:38,789 I know what you think I did. 435 00:16:38,856 --> 00:16:42,124 - I won't lie to you, Albert. 436 00:16:42,191 --> 00:16:43,925 I'm sure you had your reasons. 437 00:16:43,993 --> 00:16:46,394 We can talk about that later. 438 00:16:46,462 --> 00:16:47,795 - Why, huh? 439 00:16:47,863 --> 00:16:49,464 I mean, if you got your mind made up, 440 00:16:49,531 --> 00:16:50,932 there's no point in talking to you. 441 00:16:50,999 --> 00:16:52,066 - No, there is. Trust me. 442 00:16:52,134 --> 00:16:53,401 I want to hear what you have to say. 443 00:16:53,468 --> 00:16:55,135 But it'd be a hell of a lot easier 444 00:16:55,203 --> 00:16:58,571 if your kids weren't in the middle of this. 445 00:17:00,774 --> 00:17:05,477 Albert? 446 00:17:05,545 --> 00:17:07,345 Albert, did you hear me? 447 00:17:07,413 --> 00:17:10,348 - Junior, get up. 448 00:17:16,054 --> 00:17:19,590 - Albert? 449 00:17:22,059 --> 00:17:24,327 Albert, did you hear me? 450 00:17:27,330 --> 00:17:30,332 - You know I love you... 451 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,067 Right? 452 00:17:36,071 --> 00:17:37,839 - Albert. 453 00:17:43,479 --> 00:17:46,947 - Boys. Come on, boys, come here! 454 00:17:49,384 --> 00:17:50,618 - That was the right call, Albert. 455 00:17:50,685 --> 00:17:51,985 I got a couple of my own. 456 00:17:52,053 --> 00:17:55,021 - Yeah, and I suppose that makes us brothers now. 457 00:17:55,088 --> 00:17:57,322 Like you could understand what I've been through. 458 00:17:57,390 --> 00:17:58,657 - You're right. I don't know. 459 00:17:58,724 --> 00:18:00,792 But I'm here talking to you as a man. 460 00:18:00,860 --> 00:18:03,995 That's all I've got. 461 00:18:04,063 --> 00:18:07,264 - Well, let me ask you something. 462 00:18:07,332 --> 00:18:10,634 As a man... 463 00:18:10,702 --> 00:18:13,236 If you're gonna hang this thing on me, 464 00:18:13,303 --> 00:18:17,006 why shouldn't I just end it on my terms? 465 00:18:17,073 --> 00:18:20,275 - I don't have a good answer for you, Albert. 466 00:18:20,343 --> 00:18:22,645 You've got two beautiful kids here. 467 00:18:22,712 --> 00:18:23,746 If it was me, 468 00:18:23,814 --> 00:18:25,880 I wouldn't want them carrying around 469 00:18:25,947 --> 00:18:28,181 something like that for the rest of their lives. 470 00:18:39,922 --> 00:18:43,358 All right, come on out. 471 00:18:43,425 --> 00:18:45,493 Come on. Get down on your knees. 472 00:18:45,561 --> 00:18:47,628 Come on, get out! Get down on your knees! 473 00:18:47,696 --> 00:18:50,865 Hands on your head! 474 00:18:53,668 --> 00:18:55,603 - All right, let's go. 475 00:18:58,373 --> 00:19:00,240 - It's a 22. 476 00:19:00,308 --> 00:19:02,608 Right guy, wrong gun. 477 00:19:02,675 --> 00:19:05,409 - Damn it. 478 00:19:10,487 --> 00:19:13,331 Six counts of muder in special circumstance, 479 00:19:13,332 --> 00:19:15,286 - how do you plead? - Not guilty, your honor. 480 00:19:15,354 --> 00:19:16,720 People on bail? 481 00:19:16,788 --> 00:19:18,288 - The people ask that the defendant be held 482 00:19:18,356 --> 00:19:19,789 witht bail, your honor. 483 00:19:19,857 --> 00:19:21,157 He's facing the death penalty. 484 00:19:21,224 --> 00:19:22,291 He has no job, 485 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,492 no meaningful ties to the community. 486 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,760 - Your honor, Mr. Hayes is deeply bonded 487 00:19:26,828 --> 00:19:28,061 to his children. 488 00:19:28,128 --> 00:19:30,062 - The very same children he held hostage 489 00:19:30,130 --> 00:19:31,731 when the police came to question him. 490 00:19:31,799 --> 00:19:34,134 - We dispute that characterization, your honor, 491 00:19:34,201 --> 00:19:36,102 and I would add that my client was arrested 492 00:19:36,169 --> 00:19:37,302 with a 22-caliber handgun, 493 00:19:37,370 --> 00:19:39,170 while the murder victims were shot 494 00:19:39,238 --> 00:19:41,238 with a 9-millimeter weapon. 495 00:19:41,306 --> 00:19:42,840 - The police found 9-millimeter ammunition 496 00:19:42,907 --> 00:19:44,507 in Mr. Hayes' home. 497 00:19:44,575 --> 00:19:45,908 - Nice try, Mr. spicer. 498 00:19:45,976 --> 00:19:47,675 Defendant will be held without bail. 499 00:19:47,743 --> 00:19:50,076 - Thank you. 500 00:19:50,144 --> 00:19:51,678 - You just have to look at the front page 501 00:19:51,745 --> 00:19:53,479 of the poto see what's happening here. 502 00:19:53,547 --> 00:19:55,415 The police had a Cannon aimed at their head 503 00:19:55,482 --> 00:19:56,649 and no leads. 504 00:19:56,717 --> 00:19:58,417 So they put the weight on the one black man 505 00:19:58,485 --> 00:19:59,785 in an all-hispanic office. 506 00:19:59,852 --> 00:20:02,387 Every step of the way, this investigation was corrupted 507 00:20:02,454 --> 00:20:03,922 by institutional racism, 508 00:20:03,989 --> 00:20:05,357 and we intend to prove it 509 00:20:05,424 --> 00:20:07,325 by filing a pitchess motion later today 510 00:20:07,393 --> 00:20:09,794 to demand the personnel records of all the officers involved. 511 00:20:09,861 --> 00:20:11,628 - Mr. Dekker, any comment? 512 00:20:11,696 --> 00:20:14,130 - Did race play a role? 513 00:20:14,197 --> 00:20:17,099 - We have nothing to fear from Mr. spicer's motion. 514 00:20:17,166 --> 00:20:19,535 This investigation was led by the evidence, 515 00:20:19,603 --> 00:20:22,504 and the evidence here is colorblind. 516 00:20:22,571 --> 00:20:25,273 The truth is Mr. Hayes is a mass murderer 517 00:20:25,341 --> 00:20:27,375 who just happens to be black. 518 00:20:27,443 --> 00:20:28,476 Thank you. 519 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,113 - Bold words. 520 00:20:34,181 --> 00:20:37,783 - Yeah, let's make sure I don't have to eat 'em. 521 00:20:37,851 --> 00:20:40,953 - So now all the big guns are getting wheeled out? 522 00:20:41,021 --> 00:20:43,222 - When a judge grants a pitchess motion 523 00:20:43,290 --> 00:20:46,391 allowing the defense to examine police personnel files, 524 00:20:46,459 --> 00:20:47,959 this office takes it seriously. 525 00:20:48,026 --> 00:20:49,126 - This is ridiculous. 526 00:20:49,194 --> 00:20:51,061 How did we get to be the ones on trial? 527 00:20:51,129 --> 00:20:52,162 - Never mind that. 528 00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:53,864 We already have evidentiary issues, 529 00:20:53,932 --> 00:20:55,599 not the least of which is the fact 530 00:20:55,666 --> 00:20:57,134 that we don't have a murder weapon. 531 00:20:57,201 --> 00:20:59,537 - Look, we're all grown-ups. 532 00:20:59,605 --> 00:21:02,173 We all know the history of this department. 533 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,074 - And if either one of you has had a problem, 534 00:21:04,142 --> 00:21:05,909 we need to know about it. 535 00:21:05,977 --> 00:21:08,211 Winters, you were on a job 536 00:21:08,279 --> 00:21:09,879 during the king riots, right? 537 00:21:09,947 --> 00:21:11,881 - Yeah, six weeks out of the academy. 538 00:21:11,949 --> 00:21:13,349 It's all in my file. 539 00:21:13,417 --> 00:21:16,051 I can stand by anything I did back then. 540 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,687 - I got nothing to hide either. 541 00:21:18,754 --> 00:21:20,622 - Anyone who's been on the street 542 00:21:20,690 --> 00:21:23,325 shouldn't answer that too quickly. 543 00:21:23,393 --> 00:21:25,193 - Go home and think about it. 544 00:21:25,261 --> 00:21:26,728 Everybody's got something. 545 00:21:26,795 --> 00:21:30,064 - So why isn't the defense pulling your file, counselor? 546 00:21:35,602 --> 00:21:38,771 - That was some vote of confidence you gave them. 547 00:21:38,839 --> 00:21:40,272 You know, maybe we're overreacting. 548 00:21:40,340 --> 00:21:43,008 Spicer's playing the race card because he's desperate. 549 00:21:43,075 --> 00:21:45,410 - Ms. Stanton, you may have been in junior high school 550 00:21:45,477 --> 00:21:46,711 during the o.J. Trials, 551 00:21:46,778 --> 00:21:48,678 but Joe and I were here. 552 00:21:48,746 --> 00:21:51,180 Once that card is played, it infects everything- 553 00:21:51,248 --> 00:21:52,916 this office included. 554 00:21:52,983 --> 00:21:57,720 - Not to mention spicer just needs to swing one juror. 555 00:21:57,788 --> 00:21:59,421 - So how do you suggest we stop him? 556 00:21:59,489 --> 00:22:01,121 - Well, if spicer is using racism 557 00:22:01,188 --> 00:22:02,987 as a shield for his client, 558 00:22:03,055 --> 00:22:05,555 maybe we can use it as a sword. 559 00:22:05,622 --> 00:22:08,724 We show racism is what drove Hayes to murder. 560 00:22:13,229 --> 00:22:14,962 - He's facing the death penalty. 561 00:22:15,030 --> 00:22:17,498 Psychological factors could make a difference 562 00:22:17,565 --> 00:22:21,104 in sentencing. 563 00:22:21,172 --> 00:22:22,840 - Something happened to al. 564 00:22:22,908 --> 00:22:24,844 I mean, it all started at his old job, 565 00:22:24,912 --> 00:22:27,045 right before he got robbed. - At the bank. 566 00:22:27,112 --> 00:22:29,613 That must have been very traumatic for him. 567 00:22:29,681 --> 00:22:30,647 - He couldn't sleep at night. 568 00:22:30,715 --> 00:22:33,349 He actually had to quit the bank. 569 00:22:33,417 --> 00:22:34,951 But it didn't help. 570 00:22:35,018 --> 00:22:36,786 He had always been a little thin-skinned, 571 00:22:36,853 --> 00:22:37,954 but then after that, I mean, 572 00:22:38,022 --> 00:22:39,789 everything just started getting to him- 573 00:22:39,857 --> 00:22:42,124 every little insult, every look. 574 00:22:42,191 --> 00:22:43,892 - He saw racism everywhere. 575 00:22:43,959 --> 00:22:46,493 - Well, it wasn't all paranoia. 576 00:22:46,561 --> 00:22:48,561 I mean, he didn't just imagine that every Spanish person 577 00:22:48,629 --> 00:22:50,029 got promoted ahead of him 578 00:22:50,097 --> 00:22:51,664 or that Mr. Vela gave all the good leads 579 00:22:51,732 --> 00:22:53,032 to everyone but him. 580 00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:54,967 But I said to al, 581 00:22:55,035 --> 00:22:56,668 "yes, it's real, 582 00:22:56,736 --> 00:22:58,136 "but don't let that be who you are. 583 00:22:58,204 --> 00:23:00,004 Just let it roll off your back." 584 00:23:00,072 --> 00:23:01,906 - What did he say to that? - Nothing. 585 00:23:01,973 --> 00:23:05,141 And then he got obsessed with protecting his family. 586 00:23:05,209 --> 00:23:07,976 - Is that when he bought the gun? 587 00:23:08,044 --> 00:23:11,313 The.22? 588 00:23:11,381 --> 00:23:12,814 - Yes. 589 00:23:16,184 --> 00:23:19,819 And I started getting afraid. 590 00:23:19,887 --> 00:23:21,988 I wouldn't leave him alone with the kids anymore. 591 00:23:22,055 --> 00:23:24,256 - You were afraid he was gonna hurt them? 592 00:23:28,028 --> 00:23:29,661 - I... 593 00:23:29,729 --> 00:23:31,263 Gave him the name of a therapist, 594 00:23:31,330 --> 00:23:33,965 a friend to go to, but he would never go. 595 00:23:34,032 --> 00:23:35,300 And after that, 596 00:23:35,367 --> 00:23:38,637 I realized he wasn't the man I married anymore. 597 00:23:38,705 --> 00:23:42,173 So I changed the locks and filed the papers. 598 00:23:44,243 --> 00:23:45,743 I'm very sorry. 599 00:23:45,811 --> 00:23:48,613 - You know, it's so funny, because... 600 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,114 Right before the cops got here, 601 00:23:50,181 --> 00:23:51,915 he was-he was like the old al again. 602 00:23:51,983 --> 00:23:54,484 - What do you mean by that? 603 00:23:54,552 --> 00:23:56,119 - He was talking about how he had been 604 00:23:56,187 --> 00:23:58,288 to Griffith park the other day at the merry-go-round, 605 00:23:58,356 --> 00:23:59,790 thinking about all the sweet times 606 00:23:59,858 --> 00:24:01,291 we had together with the kids. 607 00:24:01,358 --> 00:24:03,592 - Mm. 608 00:24:06,563 --> 00:24:08,831 It sounds like Hayes might have started 609 00:24:08,898 --> 00:24:10,032 with a legitimate beef. 610 00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:11,868 - Yeah, but he ended it with a gun. 611 00:24:11,935 --> 00:24:14,803 - Yo, you guys see this? 612 00:24:14,871 --> 00:24:16,538 - So we stopped this car for driving 613 00:24:16,606 --> 00:24:18,373 with a broken taillight. 614 00:24:18,441 --> 00:24:21,342 And I told my partner, "this isn't racial profiling. 615 00:24:21,410 --> 00:24:22,844 This is common sense." 616 00:24:22,911 --> 00:24:24,879 So we pulled the car over. 617 00:24:24,946 --> 00:24:26,313 And I made the driver get out. 618 00:24:26,381 --> 00:24:27,981 He didn't match our description. 619 00:24:28,049 --> 00:24:30,583 In fact, he turned out to be a teacher. 620 00:24:30,651 --> 00:24:33,218 But once he started giving me lip, that didn't matter. 621 00:24:33,286 --> 00:24:35,320 All I saw was a black face. 622 00:24:35,388 --> 00:24:39,123 So we proned that guy out, and we cuffed him, 623 00:24:39,191 --> 00:24:41,925 and we put him in the back of our cruiser. 624 00:24:41,993 --> 00:24:44,228 And when I saw the scared look on his face, 625 00:24:44,295 --> 00:24:46,697 I realized that I liked it. 626 00:24:46,765 --> 00:24:48,032 I felt good. 627 00:24:48,100 --> 00:24:49,634 I felt powerful. 628 00:24:49,701 --> 00:24:53,337 I was a big, bad cop. 629 00:24:53,404 --> 00:24:56,606 You know what I'm talking about. 630 00:25:15,492 --> 00:25:18,427 - Looks like al Hayes found his racist cop. 631 00:25:23,265 --> 00:25:25,865 The video appears to be Randy Hawthorne. 632 00:25:25,866 --> 00:25:28,233 It's hard to know what the lieutenant meant 633 00:25:28,301 --> 00:25:30,602 - without knowing the context. - What context? 634 00:25:30,669 --> 00:25:32,536 "I saw that scared look on his face, 635 00:25:32,604 --> 00:25:34,137 and I liked it." 636 00:25:34,205 --> 00:25:35,739 There's nothing ambiguous about that. 637 00:25:35,806 --> 00:25:38,207 - That video's gonna be all over the local news in an hour. 638 00:25:38,274 --> 00:25:39,974 The blogger who posted it on the net, 639 00:25:40,042 --> 00:25:41,142 Randy Hawthorne, 640 00:25:41,210 --> 00:25:42,476 he's had my department in his sites 641 00:25:42,544 --> 00:25:44,378 for the last two years. 642 00:25:44,445 --> 00:25:48,383 I've directed the press office to release this statement. 643 00:25:48,451 --> 00:25:49,519 - You're suspending her. 644 00:25:49,587 --> 00:25:51,188 - Putting her on administrative leave. 645 00:25:51,256 --> 00:25:54,159 - I-it seems a little quick. Have you talked to her? 646 00:25:54,227 --> 00:25:55,461 - She'll get a hearing in due time. 647 00:25:55,529 --> 00:25:58,000 - However you decide to handle it, chief, 648 00:25:58,067 --> 00:25:59,601 this office will support you. 649 00:25:59,669 --> 00:26:01,035 - That's what I was hoping to hear. 650 00:26:01,103 --> 00:26:03,938 - Thanks, Jerry. Mr. Dekker. 651 00:26:06,441 --> 00:26:08,208 - I've worked with lieutenant Gonzales 652 00:26:08,276 --> 00:26:09,810 on more than a dozen cases. 653 00:26:09,877 --> 00:26:12,479 I've never once even picked up a hint- 654 00:26:12,546 --> 00:26:13,546 - get over it, Joe. 655 00:26:13,614 --> 00:26:15,481 Your case is in serious trouble. 656 00:26:15,549 --> 00:26:17,216 You got a defendant crying racism, 657 00:26:17,284 --> 00:26:19,717 and you've got a cop thumping her chest 658 00:26:19,785 --> 00:26:21,886 about what a big, bad bigot she is. 659 00:26:23,422 --> 00:26:27,024 - Spicer just hit us with a motion to traverse. 660 00:26:27,092 --> 00:26:28,692 He's attacking our search warrant 661 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,395 based on racial bias. 662 00:26:34,432 --> 00:26:35,699 - The video is a hack job. 663 00:26:35,766 --> 00:26:37,467 I was talking about something I did 20 years ago 664 00:26:37,534 --> 00:26:38,835 when I just got out of the academy- 665 00:26:38,902 --> 00:26:40,102 something I regret. 666 00:26:40,170 --> 00:26:42,037 - I've watched that video a number of times, 667 00:26:42,105 --> 00:26:44,706 and I didn't see a whole lot of regret. 668 00:26:44,774 --> 00:26:49,210 - It's in the rest of the speech they cut out. 669 00:26:49,277 --> 00:26:51,979 I apologized to that motorist. I'll give you his name. 670 00:26:52,046 --> 00:26:54,180 - That's all besides the point. 671 00:26:54,248 --> 00:26:56,516 We need to see that whole speech. 672 00:26:56,583 --> 00:26:58,083 Do you know who recorded it? 673 00:26:58,151 --> 00:26:59,985 - No, I didn't even know I was being recorded. 674 00:27:00,053 --> 00:27:01,987 - Who was there? Who organized it? 675 00:27:02,054 --> 00:27:03,655 We'll track it down. - I'm not giving you that. 676 00:27:03,722 --> 00:27:05,990 I don't have to defend myself. 677 00:27:06,057 --> 00:27:08,425 This case is about the six people that Hayes killed. 678 00:27:08,493 --> 00:27:10,126 How could you let them make it about me? 679 00:27:10,193 --> 00:27:12,327 - Lieutenant, if I have to subpoena you- 680 00:27:12,395 --> 00:27:13,795 - subpoena nothing. 681 00:27:13,863 --> 00:27:15,697 She made that speech six months ago. 682 00:27:15,764 --> 00:27:18,098 It has zero probative value to your case. 683 00:27:18,166 --> 00:27:20,033 If you push this, I can assure you, 684 00:27:20,101 --> 00:27:22,836 on behalf of the union, we're gonna push back hard. 685 00:27:22,904 --> 00:27:25,572 - Look, lieutenant, I don't want to fight with you. 686 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,707 But Mr. Hayes' attorney is claiming 687 00:27:27,775 --> 00:27:29,575 that you planted evidence. 688 00:27:29,643 --> 00:27:32,478 - What evidence? - The shredded loans papers. 689 00:27:32,545 --> 00:27:34,246 They're claiming that you tampered with them 690 00:27:34,314 --> 00:27:35,781 while under your control at rhd. 691 00:27:35,848 --> 00:27:37,915 - That is a fantasy. - Yeah, well, maybe so, 692 00:27:37,983 --> 00:27:39,483 but Mr. Hayes' attorney 693 00:27:39,551 --> 00:27:41,318 has filed for a motion to traverse, 694 00:27:41,386 --> 00:27:43,655 and as your lawyer can explain to you- 695 00:27:43,723 --> 00:27:45,156 - I know what a motion to traverse is. 696 00:27:45,224 --> 00:27:47,624 I have a law degree. 697 00:27:47,692 --> 00:27:49,760 Before Hayes' lawyer can do anything, 698 00:27:49,828 --> 00:27:51,829 he has to prove that the warrant applications 699 00:27:51,897 --> 00:27:53,730 contain statements that were deliberately false, 700 00:27:53,798 --> 00:27:54,831 and he can't. 701 00:27:54,899 --> 00:27:56,033 - He can. 702 00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:59,202 His proof is that video and its implied racism. 703 00:27:59,270 --> 00:28:02,272 Look, without the rest of that speech, 704 00:28:02,340 --> 00:28:04,340 our case can be nowhere by tomorrow. 705 00:28:04,408 --> 00:28:07,543 - No. I ran a clean investigation. 706 00:28:07,611 --> 00:28:09,878 We papered that evidence six ways to Sunday, 707 00:28:09,946 --> 00:28:11,881 and if you can't make it stick, I don't know where- 708 00:28:11,949 --> 00:28:14,883 - arleen! 709 00:28:24,893 --> 00:28:26,793 - Guess you didn't get too much out of her. 710 00:28:26,861 --> 00:28:28,962 - She's hiding something. 711 00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:31,630 I mean, you've worked with her. What do you think? 712 00:28:31,698 --> 00:28:33,365 - Well, we come from the same community. 713 00:28:33,433 --> 00:28:36,401 We were brought up with the same mentality, but... 714 00:28:36,469 --> 00:28:38,336 You know, blacks and latinos have to fight it out 715 00:28:38,404 --> 00:28:41,205 because there's only so much pie to go around. 716 00:28:41,273 --> 00:28:42,907 We work to let it go. 717 00:28:42,974 --> 00:28:45,409 Some of us do, some of us... 718 00:28:45,476 --> 00:28:48,645 - We need to hear the rest of that speech. 719 00:28:52,382 --> 00:28:54,483 - And when I saw the scared look on his face, 720 00:28:54,550 --> 00:28:57,319 I realized that I liked it. 721 00:28:57,386 --> 00:29:01,489 I felt good. I felt powerful. 722 00:29:01,557 --> 00:29:05,159 I was a big, bad cop. 723 00:29:05,227 --> 00:29:07,527 - As the chain of custody affidavit states, 724 00:29:07,595 --> 00:29:09,795 the paper shredder evidence was stored 725 00:29:09,863 --> 00:29:12,765 in lieutenant Gonzales' office for an hour 726 00:29:12,832 --> 00:29:15,167 until the detectives could deliver it to the lab 727 00:29:15,235 --> 00:29:16,167 for testing. 728 00:29:16,235 --> 00:29:17,501 For one hour, 729 00:29:17,569 --> 00:29:19,369 that evidence was in the sole control 730 00:29:19,437 --> 00:29:21,773 of the police officer we just saw on that video. 731 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,877 And this just one day after that same officer 732 00:29:24,944 --> 00:29:27,279 directed her detectives to stop investigating 733 00:29:27,346 --> 00:29:30,915 two hispanic suspects to focus on my client, 734 00:29:30,983 --> 00:29:34,618 the only African-American employee of Vela mortgage. 735 00:29:34,686 --> 00:29:37,620 Your honor, the court must draw the line 736 00:29:37,688 --> 00:29:38,821 and remind the police 737 00:29:38,889 --> 00:29:40,856 that lieutenant Gonzales' toxic bigotry 738 00:29:40,924 --> 00:29:42,624 has no place in law enforcement. 739 00:29:42,692 --> 00:29:45,160 - Your honor, Mr. spicer is asking the court 740 00:29:45,227 --> 00:29:47,528 to engage in wild speculation 741 00:29:47,596 --> 00:29:49,864 based on a cut-and-paste hack job 742 00:29:49,932 --> 00:29:52,032 created to portray lieutenant Gonzales 743 00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:54,901 and the L.A.P.D. In the worst possible light. 744 00:29:54,969 --> 00:29:57,537 - You're not denying lieutenant Gonzales 745 00:29:57,604 --> 00:30:00,239 said those words, are you? 746 00:30:00,307 --> 00:30:03,642 I'm greatly disturbed by what I heard. 747 00:30:03,710 --> 00:30:05,410 And if I have to go the extra mile 748 00:30:05,478 --> 00:30:08,746 to remove any taint of racism from this case, so be it. 749 00:30:08,814 --> 00:30:11,248 I'm granting Mr. spicer's motion. 750 00:30:11,316 --> 00:30:12,883 The paper shreds are out. 751 00:30:12,951 --> 00:30:16,486 And since those shreds were largely the basis 752 00:30:16,554 --> 00:30:18,154 for the search warrant, 753 00:30:18,222 --> 00:30:20,556 any evidence found in Mr. Hayes' home 754 00:30:20,624 --> 00:30:23,592 is out as well. 755 00:30:28,030 --> 00:30:29,664 - The shreds and the blood evidence are out. 756 00:30:29,732 --> 00:30:31,666 The 9-millimeter ammunition is out. 757 00:30:31,733 --> 00:30:33,667 I guess we should be thankful judge Conway 758 00:30:33,735 --> 00:30:35,168 didn't take away our pens and pencils. 759 00:30:35,236 --> 00:30:36,203 - Just stop. 760 00:30:36,270 --> 00:30:40,472 Be still, regroup, and focus. 761 00:30:40,540 --> 00:30:44,709 Bitching about this judge isn't gonna get us anywhere. 762 00:30:44,777 --> 00:30:47,211 Now, when Hayes was arrested, he had a.22-caliber pistol. 763 00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:48,546 - Right. 764 00:30:48,613 --> 00:30:50,480 But the police haven't recovered the murder weapon. 765 00:30:50,548 --> 00:30:53,016 Why? 766 00:30:53,083 --> 00:30:55,218 - Didn't Hayes' ex-wife tell you 767 00:30:55,285 --> 00:30:57,887 that the day before he took his kids hostage, 768 00:30:57,954 --> 00:31:01,857 he went to Griffith park? - Yeah... 769 00:31:01,925 --> 00:31:04,326 To the merry-go-round. 770 00:31:04,394 --> 00:31:05,728 - All right, check with the autry museum. 771 00:31:05,796 --> 00:31:09,398 Maybe they have security cameras in their parking lot. 772 00:31:09,466 --> 00:31:12,101 - Nothing I like better than starting from scratch. 773 00:31:12,168 --> 00:31:13,769 Have you talked to the lieutenant? 774 00:31:13,837 --> 00:31:16,338 I'd sure like to hear her explanation for that video. 775 00:31:16,405 --> 00:31:17,906 - Well, you got a phone. Call her. 776 00:31:17,973 --> 00:31:20,207 - You don't want to know? 777 00:31:20,275 --> 00:31:22,876 Or are you telling me you're okay with what she said? 778 00:31:22,944 --> 00:31:25,345 - I've worked with her for six years. 779 00:31:25,413 --> 00:31:28,813 There's more to her than a 30-second video. 780 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,348 - Over here! 781 00:31:35,151 --> 00:31:37,685 - What do you got? 782 00:31:37,753 --> 00:31:39,787 - It's a mag from a 9-millimeter Glock. 783 00:31:39,855 --> 00:31:42,790 Still has a couple rounds left in it. 784 00:31:47,128 --> 00:31:49,328 - The gun was found in three pieces in Griffith park. 785 00:31:49,396 --> 00:31:51,397 Hayes' fingerprints were on the bullets and the mag. 786 00:31:51,465 --> 00:31:53,198 - That gun is only more fruit of the poisonous tree. 787 00:31:53,266 --> 00:31:55,834 My client made his statements about Griffith park 788 00:31:55,902 --> 00:31:57,469 under duress from lieutenant Gonzales' 789 00:31:57,536 --> 00:31:59,003 racially motivated investigation. 790 00:31:59,071 --> 00:32:00,371 - Independent source, your honor. 791 00:32:00,438 --> 00:32:01,672 We would have interviewed the ex-wife 792 00:32:01,740 --> 00:32:05,642 in connection to the hostage taking anyway. 793 00:32:05,710 --> 00:32:08,377 - Mr. spicer, I'm giving this one to Mr. Dekker. 794 00:32:08,445 --> 00:32:10,013 The gun stays in. 795 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,514 - Well, then I want the videotape 796 00:32:11,582 --> 00:32:13,015 of lieutenant Gonzales admitted into evidence. 797 00:32:13,083 --> 00:32:14,750 I want the jury to see what was driving this case. 798 00:32:14,818 --> 00:32:16,685 - It's highly inflammatory, your honor. 799 00:32:16,753 --> 00:32:18,052 It has no probative value. 800 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,856 - You're free to argue that to the jury, Mr. Dekker. 801 00:32:21,923 --> 00:32:23,858 The video is in. 802 00:32:23,926 --> 00:32:25,926 - Thank you, your honor. 803 00:32:28,796 --> 00:32:30,130 - She's our boss. 804 00:32:30,197 --> 00:32:31,698 Her signature's on every report we filed, 805 00:32:31,765 --> 00:32:35,134 every request for o.T. 806 00:32:35,202 --> 00:32:37,769 - And then I'll ask if, um, lieutenant Gonzales 807 00:32:37,837 --> 00:32:40,638 has ever shown any racial bias 808 00:32:40,706 --> 00:32:43,641 on this case or any other case. 809 00:32:43,709 --> 00:32:46,143 - As if the word of a white cop is gonna mean anything. 810 00:32:46,210 --> 00:32:47,477 - A white cop who's never had 811 00:32:47,545 --> 00:32:49,412 a citizen's complaint filed against him. 812 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,647 - Come on, counselor, 813 00:32:50,714 --> 00:32:52,481 end of the day, people want to send a message, 814 00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:55,751 they're gonna send a message. 815 00:32:55,818 --> 00:32:58,386 - I don't understand it, you know. 816 00:32:58,453 --> 00:32:59,920 She won't talk to me. 817 00:32:59,987 --> 00:33:02,155 She won't tell me what she said, 818 00:33:02,223 --> 00:33:04,557 who was there, what the occasion was. 819 00:33:04,625 --> 00:33:08,161 - She's no bigot. 820 00:33:08,228 --> 00:33:10,463 She won't put up with any- any jokes, any looks. 821 00:33:10,531 --> 00:33:11,731 She won't tolerate it. 822 00:33:11,798 --> 00:33:14,666 - Then why in the hell is she stonewalling? 823 00:33:19,905 --> 00:33:21,639 Have you talked to her? 824 00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:27,277 - We're done. 825 00:33:27,345 --> 00:33:29,846 - Detective. 826 00:33:29,914 --> 00:33:33,116 The department is about to run her out on a rail. 827 00:33:33,184 --> 00:33:37,052 They're gonna go after her pension, everything. 828 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,055 So, if you know something... 829 00:33:48,363 --> 00:33:49,963 You know, normally, I don't care 830 00:33:50,031 --> 00:33:53,099 about people's personal lives. 831 00:33:53,167 --> 00:33:57,770 But your silence is killing my case. 832 00:33:57,838 --> 00:34:02,442 I need to put you on the stand 833 00:34:02,510 --> 00:34:04,477 and have you explain 834 00:34:04,545 --> 00:34:07,146 why you said those things in that video 835 00:34:07,214 --> 00:34:10,848 and who you said them to. 836 00:34:10,915 --> 00:34:14,984 Six dead people, arleen, and justice for them- 837 00:34:15,052 --> 00:34:17,186 that's all I care about. 838 00:34:17,254 --> 00:34:19,488 And the truth is that's all you should care about. 839 00:34:19,556 --> 00:34:20,989 - No, the person I should care about 840 00:34:21,057 --> 00:34:23,991 is asleep in a room down the hall. 841 00:34:24,059 --> 00:34:26,694 He's 11 years old. 842 00:34:26,762 --> 00:34:28,161 And he has enough trouble at school. 843 00:34:28,229 --> 00:34:29,696 He doesn't need to be bullied 844 00:34:29,764 --> 00:34:31,231 because it's all over the papers 845 00:34:31,299 --> 00:34:33,199 what his mother is. 846 00:34:37,337 --> 00:34:39,772 - You know what I think? 847 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,575 I think your son would be proud of you 848 00:34:43,643 --> 00:34:46,244 if you stood up for yourself. 849 00:35:01,692 --> 00:35:04,125 - And when I saw the scared look on his face, 850 00:35:04,193 --> 00:35:06,794 I realized that I liked it. 851 00:35:06,862 --> 00:35:08,062 I felt good. 852 00:35:08,129 --> 00:35:10,297 I felt powerful. 853 00:35:10,365 --> 00:35:12,733 I was a big, bad cop. 854 00:35:14,869 --> 00:35:17,136 - Lieutenant Gonzales... 855 00:35:17,204 --> 00:35:20,606 Could you explain the context of what we just heard? 856 00:35:20,674 --> 00:35:23,809 - I was addressing a group of young police recruits, 857 00:35:23,876 --> 00:35:25,144 about 15 of them 858 00:35:25,212 --> 00:35:26,846 in a private room at a restaurant. 859 00:35:26,914 --> 00:35:30,217 - And what we just heard- those were your words. 860 00:35:30,285 --> 00:35:33,354 You weren't quoting someone else or telling a joke. 861 00:35:33,421 --> 00:35:35,589 - No, those were my words that night- 862 00:35:35,657 --> 00:35:37,057 some of my words. 863 00:35:37,124 --> 00:35:38,925 - And what was the theme of your talk? 864 00:35:38,992 --> 00:35:40,893 - It was kind of a pep talk 865 00:35:40,961 --> 00:35:44,329 about what they could look forward to on the job. 866 00:35:44,397 --> 00:35:46,798 And what I tried to tell them was that 867 00:35:46,866 --> 00:35:49,601 before we could deal with other people's prejudices against us 868 00:35:49,668 --> 00:35:51,602 as gay and lesbian police officers, 869 00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:55,306 we had to first understand the prejudices in ourselves. 870 00:35:55,373 --> 00:35:57,241 - Just to be clear, 871 00:35:57,308 --> 00:35:59,876 this group were gay and lesbian police recruits. 872 00:35:59,944 --> 00:36:01,011 - Yes. 873 00:36:01,078 --> 00:36:02,779 - And you were addressing them 874 00:36:02,847 --> 00:36:06,649 as a lesbian police officer, correct? 875 00:36:06,716 --> 00:36:07,850 - Yes. 876 00:36:07,917 --> 00:36:10,118 - What, specifically, did you tell them? 877 00:36:10,186 --> 00:36:12,286 - Objection. We already heard what she said. 878 00:36:12,354 --> 00:36:14,789 The video speaks for itself. - The video was edited. 879 00:36:14,856 --> 00:36:16,790 And lieutenant Gonzales can testify 880 00:36:16,858 --> 00:36:18,859 to the entirety of her speech. 881 00:36:18,926 --> 00:36:20,693 We're also prepared to present three witnesses 882 00:36:20,761 --> 00:36:24,230 who can corroborate her testimony. 883 00:36:24,297 --> 00:36:26,165 - Overruled. 884 00:36:26,232 --> 00:36:30,235 Answer his question, lieutenant. 885 00:36:30,302 --> 00:36:33,070 - I told them about an incident that happened three months 886 00:36:33,138 --> 00:36:35,606 after I got out of the academy. 887 00:36:35,674 --> 00:36:38,542 I told them how I had racially profiled 888 00:36:38,610 --> 00:36:39,910 a black motorist, 889 00:36:39,977 --> 00:36:42,011 exactly as you heard on the video. 890 00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:44,647 - Well, what else did you tell them? 891 00:36:44,715 --> 00:36:45,982 - I told them a couple days later, 892 00:36:46,049 --> 00:36:47,416 I read a story in the paper 893 00:36:47,484 --> 00:36:49,685 about a hate crime in New York City. 894 00:36:49,753 --> 00:36:51,920 A young woman had been attacked 895 00:36:51,988 --> 00:36:53,688 after leaving a gay bar. 896 00:36:53,756 --> 00:36:57,291 And they ran a picture of her in the paper. 897 00:36:57,359 --> 00:36:59,860 The look on her face, 898 00:36:59,927 --> 00:37:02,629 the scared look... 899 00:37:02,697 --> 00:37:06,932 Was exactly like the look I saw on the black motorist. 900 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,368 And I didn't like it. 901 00:37:09,436 --> 00:37:11,670 And I didn't like the face that stared back at me 902 00:37:11,738 --> 00:37:13,204 in the mirror that morning. 903 00:37:13,272 --> 00:37:15,106 - So what did you do? 904 00:37:15,174 --> 00:37:16,774 - I apologized to that motorist. 905 00:37:16,842 --> 00:37:19,109 I called him. 906 00:37:19,177 --> 00:37:21,445 I wrote him a letter. 907 00:37:21,512 --> 00:37:23,947 I reported the incident to my commanding officer. 908 00:37:24,015 --> 00:37:26,549 I realized that I had been practicing 909 00:37:26,617 --> 00:37:29,318 the same discrimination that I had been a victim of 910 00:37:29,386 --> 00:37:31,720 when members of my family or my community 911 00:37:31,788 --> 00:37:34,155 wouldn't accept me for who I was. 912 00:37:34,223 --> 00:37:36,691 - The discrimination that you faced- 913 00:37:36,758 --> 00:37:39,059 did you share that with the recruits? 914 00:37:39,127 --> 00:37:41,395 - Yes, I told them that even though the department 915 00:37:41,462 --> 00:37:44,297 actively recruits gays and lesbians 916 00:37:44,365 --> 00:37:47,433 that I had been harassed and even spit on 917 00:37:47,501 --> 00:37:49,168 by other officers. 918 00:37:49,236 --> 00:37:51,570 - Well, since this incident long ago, 919 00:37:51,638 --> 00:37:55,907 do you still practice discrimination yourself? 920 00:37:55,974 --> 00:37:57,308 - I try not to. 921 00:37:57,375 --> 00:38:00,510 - So did you direct your detectives 922 00:38:00,578 --> 00:38:02,578 to target Mr. Hayes as a suspect 923 00:38:02,645 --> 00:38:05,246 because he's African-American? - No. 924 00:38:05,314 --> 00:38:07,916 But I did support their decision to focus on him, 925 00:38:07,983 --> 00:38:10,252 because that is where the evidence was leading. 926 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,888 - One last question, lieutenant- 927 00:38:12,956 --> 00:38:15,590 this video aired two months ago. 928 00:38:15,658 --> 00:38:19,594 Why did you wait until today to explain its contents? 929 00:38:19,661 --> 00:38:21,529 - Well, I was concerned with the privacy 930 00:38:21,596 --> 00:38:22,930 of somof the recruits at the meeting. 931 00:38:22,997 --> 00:38:24,765 Some are out, and some aren't. 932 00:38:24,832 --> 00:38:28,301 But my main concern 933 00:38:28,369 --> 00:38:32,038 is my 11-year-old son. 934 00:38:32,105 --> 00:38:35,040 After today, my son's going to... 935 00:38:36,809 --> 00:38:40,211 I have friends- uh, gay couples- 936 00:38:40,279 --> 00:38:44,882 whose kids get bullied and beaten up at school. 937 00:38:50,187 --> 00:38:53,589 My son's just a little boy. 938 00:38:53,657 --> 00:38:56,225 I just want to protect him. 939 00:38:58,327 --> 00:39:02,930 - So why did you change your mind about testifying? 940 00:39:02,998 --> 00:39:05,232 - I realized whether I testified or not, 941 00:39:05,300 --> 00:39:09,201 he was gonna hear people call me names. 942 00:39:09,268 --> 00:39:12,404 And I'd rather him hear them call me a dyke 943 00:39:12,471 --> 00:39:14,906 than a bigot. 944 00:39:17,309 --> 00:39:19,810 - Thank you, lieutenant Gonzales. 945 00:39:19,878 --> 00:39:23,446 No more questions, your honor. 946 00:39:27,217 --> 00:39:28,917 - Has the jury reached a verdict? 947 00:39:28,985 --> 00:39:30,786 - Yes, sir, we have, your honor. 948 00:39:30,853 --> 00:39:32,120 - On the first count, 949 00:39:32,188 --> 00:39:35,156 as to Armando Vela, first degree murder, 950 00:39:35,224 --> 00:39:36,557 how do you find? 951 00:39:36,625 --> 00:39:38,659 - We find the defendant guilty. 952 00:39:38,727 --> 00:39:40,094 - On the second count, 953 00:39:40,162 --> 00:39:42,430 as to Nancy jimenez, first degree murder, 954 00:39:42,497 --> 00:39:43,964 how do you find? 955 00:39:44,032 --> 00:39:45,965 - We find the defendant guilty. 956 00:39:46,033 --> 00:39:48,468 - On the third count, how do you find? 957 00:39:48,535 --> 00:39:51,470 - We find the defendant guilty. 958 00:39:51,538 --> 00:39:55,240 - The full, unedited video surfaced on the net yesterday. 959 00:39:55,308 --> 00:39:57,642 And it's everything she said it was. 960 00:39:57,710 --> 00:40:00,511 - Her come-to-Jesus moment. 961 00:40:00,579 --> 00:40:01,612 No argument there. 962 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,447 - So why hasn't she been reinstated? 963 00:40:03,515 --> 00:40:06,617 - Jerry, explain the facts of life to them. 964 00:40:06,684 --> 00:40:08,752 Personally, I don't have a problem with her. 965 00:40:08,819 --> 00:40:10,720 But I'm getting pushback from some people 966 00:40:10,788 --> 00:40:11,921 in my department. 967 00:40:11,989 --> 00:40:16,091 They're saying she's damaged goods. 968 00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:19,561 - Actually, chief... 969 00:40:19,628 --> 00:40:21,763 I have a statement I'm gonna read 970 00:40:21,830 --> 00:40:24,231 that, uh, "lieutenant Gonzales 971 00:40:24,299 --> 00:40:26,633 "is as fine and dedicated a professional 972 00:40:26,701 --> 00:40:28,702 "as anyone I've encountered in my career 973 00:40:28,770 --> 00:40:30,203 "in law enforcement, 974 00:40:30,271 --> 00:40:31,771 "and I'm looking forward to continuing 975 00:40:31,839 --> 00:40:34,106 working with her in the future." 976 00:40:34,174 --> 00:40:37,509 I was hoping that you'd be there with me when I read it. 977 00:40:37,577 --> 00:40:39,711 Now that "don't ask, don't tell" has been repealed, 978 00:40:39,779 --> 00:40:44,081 seems like the least we can do. 979 00:40:47,051 --> 00:40:49,019 Well, I guess I have to be, then. 980 00:40:49,086 --> 00:40:50,286 Excuse me. 981 00:40:50,354 --> 00:40:53,923 I need to call my press office and alert them. 982 00:40:56,626 --> 00:40:59,628 - That was old-school Jerry hardin. 983 00:40:59,696 --> 00:41:02,864 - Well, you have to show some backbone sometimes. 984 00:41:06,701 --> 00:41:10,270 - I don't know how else to explain... 985 00:41:10,338 --> 00:41:12,572 My actions. 986 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,008 You grind a man's face in the dirt long enough, 987 00:41:16,076 --> 00:41:18,811 he won't recognize himself when he gets up. 988 00:41:18,878 --> 00:41:21,146 - That was convicted murderer Albert Hayes 989 00:41:21,214 --> 00:41:23,782 testifying at the sentencing phase of his trial. 990 00:41:23,849 --> 00:41:28,152 Earlier today, judge Conway sentenced Hayes to death. 991 00:41:28,219 --> 00:41:30,320 - Welcome back. 992 00:41:30,388 --> 00:41:31,888 - Thanks. 993 00:41:31,956 --> 00:41:34,223 Did I miss anything? 994 00:41:34,291 --> 00:41:36,225 - They fixed the coffee machine. 995 00:41:36,293 --> 00:41:39,228 - Oh. Life is good. 996 00:41:43,299 --> 00:41:46,868 - It's good to have you back in the saddle, lieu. 997 00:41:46,935 --> 00:41:49,870 - Winters. 998 00:41:56,310 --> 00:41:58,411 It was you who told Dekker... 999 00:41:58,478 --> 00:42:00,012 Wasn't it? 1000 00:42:06,186 --> 00:42:07,753 It's okay. 1001 00:42:07,820 --> 00:42:10,755 I'm good with it. 74532

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