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[Jeremy Corbell]
I often wonder
about the nature of reality,

about our relationship
to the creative force

that forged the particles
of our stars and
intertwined them

with the molecules
of our bodies.

Who are we,

and where are we actually
sitting within the
architecture of our universe?

Are we alone?

Or is the answer simply
stranger than we can think?

My name is Jeremy Corbell.

I seek to weaponize
your curiosity.

And if you're ready
to suspend your
own prejudice,

welcome to the world
ofExtraordinary Beliefs.

[theme music playing]

This week, we've heard the
contention of UFO researchers

that there's
a secret government
within our government.

[man] Well,
there are several...

Actually nine flying saucers,

flying discs that are out there of extraterrestrial origin.

[narrator] Not to burst your
bubble, but the Earth is not
the center of the universe.

At least not anymore.

You are not the star
of your own movie.

Humans are not
the top of the food chain.

And fate is a fantasy.

But I can't prove any of this,

even if I wanted to.

[Mahatma Gandhi] There is an
indefinable mysterious power
that pervades everything.

I feel it,
though I do not see it.

It is this unseen power
which makes itself felt.

There is an indefinable
mysterious power that
pervades everything.

I feel it,
though I do not see it.

It is this unseen power
which makes itself felt.

There is...

[ominous music playing]

[message alert]

[narrator] Reality simply
isn't what it used to be.

Things are not
what they seem.

Everything around us
is a mental construct.

[echoes] We create
our own reality.

Breaking that down
is hard to do.

And once it's done,

there ain't no coming back.

What happens to
people when their
fundamental beliefs,

the bedrock of their
understanding,

[echoes] explodes into
a million fucking pieces.

When something comes careening from out of the blue

and it messes with
everything we know.

[echoes] How do we react?

[message alert]

[message delivery alert]

[message alert]

[Gandhi] There is an
indefinable mysterious power
that pervades everything.

[narrator] Beliefs
are mercurial things.

They direct our lives and
choices, moment by moment.

This doorway is to
the imagination emporium.

Harness the hunches
polished with proof.

They're like clothing
you can't afford.

They elevate us,
yet they're not ours to keep.

We discard them when they no
longer serve our needs.

Or we find out they
weren't real at all.

This story is extraordinary.

Especially if it's true.

And it all started
in the desert,

just north of Las Vegas.

[mysterious music playing]

[newscaster] Area 51, the most secretive spots on the planet

is located on the north-east
edge of the Nevada test site

and is said to be where
numerous top-secret
weapon systems

have been tested
over the years.

According to some
UFO researchers,

it's also where the government is test-flying alien spacecraft.

It sounds pretty far out,
but some Las Vegas residents

report having seen
these flying saucers.

[newscaster 2]
A local scientist who says
he worked at Groom Lake

and saw the saucers joins us
in tonight's interview.

He has asked that
his identity be shielded.

Sir, how do we know you are
who you say you are

and that you actually have
knowledge about what's
going on at Groom Lake?

[man] Well, I guess
there's no way you could
really know. Uh...

Uh, there's really no way
I can prove it without
revealing my identity

and getting myself into more
trouble than I have already.

[newscaster 1] Exactly what's going on up there?

[man]
Well, there are several,
actually nine

flying saucers, flying discs
that are out there of
extraterrestrial origin,

and they're being test-flown

and basically just analyzed.

[newscaster 2] You say there're nine saucers. How are those tests going?

[man] As far as what?

[newscaster 2] As far as whether they're successful and that sort of thing.

[man] Oh, well, some of
them are 100% intact and
operate perfectly.

The other ones
are being taken apart.

I was involved mainly
in propulsion and
the power source.

[man] Where did we
get these saucers,

how did they come into
the hands of the government?

[man]
I haven't the slightest idea

and, you have to understand,
the information is
very compartmentalized,

and I was only
allowed information

that pertained particularly
to what I was involved in.

[newscaster 1] But, I mean,
couldn't our
government have made them

as opposed to getting them
from some alien beings?

[man] Totally impossible.
Uh...

The propulsion system is
a gravity propulsion system,

the power source is
an antimatter reactor.

This technology
does not exist at all.

In fact, one of the reasons
that I'm going forward
with this information,

it's not only a crime
against the American people,

it's a crime against
the scientific community,

which I've been
part of for some time,

who are actively trying to
duplicate these systems,

yet they are in existence now
and basically in the hands of
the government.

[newscaster 2] What would
happen to you if
the government learned

that you were giving us
this information?

[man] Anything could happen,
I don't know, it's...
I haven't the slightest idea.

[newscaster 1] You said...
You referred to
getting into trouble,

have you had some
repercussions already?

[man] Yeah, I've been
threatened with being
charged with espionage,

I've had my life threatened
by them, my wife's life
threatened by them.

And...

I mean, I don't know
where else you
can go from there.

[newscaster 1]
Well, I want to
thank you for joining us.

Pretty interesting stuff
you've got to say.

Thank you.[newscaster 2]
Thank you, sir.

We'll have more news
in just a moment.

[newscaster 2] Now, first we go to Dan Rather in Beijing

for a look ahead
at theCBS Evening News.

[man] CBS Evening News,
from China.

We'll have
extensive coverage...

[newscaster] The live interview with the shadowy Dennis drew international attention.

Portions were
broadcast by radio
in six European countries

and in a nationally televised
TV special in Japan.

Despite numerous inquiries
and feelers, Dennis has
remained anonymous until now.

His real name is Robert Lazar.

He says he was hired to work
at an area called S4,

which is a few miles
south of Groom Lake.

At S4, he says, are flying
saucers, antimatter reactors

and other working
examples of technology

that is seemingly beyond
human capabilities.

George Knapp,
Eyewitness News 8.

Good evening, everyone.

You're in the right place
at the right time.

Blasting out of
the Mojave Desert
like a sirocco

blazing across the land
into your town,
into your home,

slamming into your
radio like a super-charged
nano particle

of unobtanium.

Greetings to all of you
from the boldest, bawdiest,

most outrageous
city in the world,

planetary capital
of sun, fun, sin,
sex and secrets,

my not-so-humble hometown,
Las Vegas, Nevada.

[chuckling]

You know, there are a lot of
people, myself included,

who would like to focus
on big-picture stuff.

Who are these visitors,
why are they here,
what is the nature of reality,

what is their interest in us,
where did they come from?

Those are the questions
that people have been asking

about the UFO mystery
since the beginning.

We're no closer to
answering any of them,
but Bob got pretty close.

Bob got to read these briefing
documents that provided those
kind of answers.

The thing is,
when we were
covering his story,

so much of the effort
was in proving

that he really
was the person
that he said he was.

Is it true, is it plausible

that really,
that was the focus

more than the really
important stuff.

You have to cover
the story of Bob Lazar.

And the only way
to do that is
to talk to Bob.

And I don't know if
he'll talk to you or not,
but you need to try.

It's all going to be
circumstance for you,

is the moment that
you approach him,
the mood that he's in,

what else is going on
in his life at the time...

You might hit the jackpot
and get him at exactly
the right time

and the universe is aligned and
he's willing to talk about it.

But you'd have to
be awfully lucky.

Because, in general,
Bob doesn't like to
talk about it.

I think he's
very happy in his life,

he's happy to have left
the UFO stuff behind,

he misses his friends,

he misses John Lear,
he misses Gene Huff, maybe
even me, to some extent.

But he doesn't miss the UFO
topic and he doesn't miss
talking about it.

Because ultimately,
it's disturbing. These
are disturbing issues.

They go to the heart
of who we are as people,

as human beings,
the nature of reality itself.

Is this
a computer simulation?

Are we all the product
of an alien video game?

Or some
multidimensional movie,

drive-in movie theater
production or something?

Big questions.
Disturbing answers.

And Bob has never been
comfortable in talking
about it. Never.

He reacted by going into a
cocoon in a lot of ways.
He didn't like it.

He doesn't like the
attention, and it totally
screwed up his life.

It's not surprising
that even years later,

he's still is uncomfortable
in discussing these things.

It's a very disturbing
view of reality.

[ominous music playing]

A young person's
guide to UFOs.
This looks old, man.

Hmm.

[clearing throat]

Hey, what are we
talking about anyway?

[man] We'll go through...
[mumbles indistinctly]

My name's Bob Lazar,

I'm known for working
at a classified base

known as S4, out in the Nevada
desert, near Area 51.

And there,
we reverse-engineered
alien spacecraft.

And it's changed
my life a lot.

You know,
it's probably changed
every aspect of it.

[Jeremy] Positive or negative?

Well, for the most part,
negative.

I mean, it's really
difficult to find
positive aspects of that.

I mean, I'm sure
there are some
here and there,

but most of them
were negative.

[Jeremy] Would-- Would you--

Would you take it all
back and just be
Bob the jet-car guy

and never have done this
if you can, or are you
glad you had the experience?

Yeah, it's hard to say.

I don't know.
I think I'd
lean towards not...

At this point in my life,
I'd probably lean towards
not saying anything.

[Jeremy] You know,
what would be your message
to a young person now

about looking at your story
and thinking about the world,

what would you say to them?

Just pay attention.

Just pay attention.
I can't really say much.

The world's
a lot different now.

The way information is
disseminated and the way
things are passed around.

It's distorted even
faster and more now
than it used to be.

So, they've got
a rough road ahead

if they're trying
to cut through
the bullshit.

[Jeremy] What do you want
them to know?

That in the late 1980s,
the US government
had recovered

alien spacecraft,
several of them,
and the technology

in the Nevada desert
that they were keeping
quiet and analyzing.

That's a fact.

They don't need my story,
but, I mean, that's all my
story was.

Is that I was just
one of the people
working on this ground.

Well, fine, I'll just say
everything instead of holding
back on anything,

and then you can
edit it later on.[interviewer] All right.

Well, we'll take it
from the top then.Okay. Well, go ahead.

[chuckles]

How you got involved
with this program?

I had sent resumes
to several national labs,

I got a response
from a couple of them.

I went in for an interview,
they had a job in mind,

and then they continued
questioning me

mainly on my interests
outside of work.

They seemed to be
really concerned about that.

What, things like
jet cars and...

Right. "What do you do
in your spare time?"

You know, "You say you work
on little projects."

I said, "Yeah, I have
a particle accelerator

in my master bedroom,"
and things of that sort.

And some time went by
and they called me back in,

they said there was
a senior staff physicist
that was leaving

this organization and they
basically interviewed me for
that job.

I was given a lot
of briefings to read on...

I believe there are 121
different briefings,

and they sat me in a room
and they had a...

While they were going
and updating my clearance

to a level that they call
"majestic..."

[interviewer] You start reading these reports,

you see some of them deal
with flying saucers,

what's your reaction?

Well, I was
completely shocked,
I couldn't believe it.

But I was fascinated,
I was so excited, I...

It's a science dream, really.

Eventually,
I was shown them.

One close-up, one operating.

They had one of the reactors
out of the crafts,

which was
an antimatter reactor.

Uh...

I was given a demonstration
on how it worked,

things that it did
and the physics of it.

The thing I was most
interested in is
duplicating the reactors

without using
this element 115.

Which is, of course,
impossible.
They were trying to...

And there have been
projects before that

just trying to use
a normal nuclear generator
fueled with plutonium.

And that was,
really, a futile attempt.

[narrator] Some people are
sources of gravity.

Their certainty and wholeness commands our attention.

We are drawn to them
by a natural law

that requires we don't quite
understand the mechanism.

But the pull is like a tide,
a current you can't deny.

And eventually,
it wears you down.

Call George Knapp.

[automated voice]
Calling George Knapp mobile.

[phone ringing]

Hey, George. Hey, man.

What's up, man, how you doing? All right. What's going on?

This is now 30 years
since you initially broke
the story about Lazar.

So, I mean, the amount of the
information is overwhelming,

and I just want to go
over with you some
of the details of the case.

Sure.

We're talking about UFOs,
alien craft, back engineering,

and there's Lazar saying
he did all that.

And from what I understand,
it spread everywhere.

Yeah, you know, we had
that first interview
in May of 1989,

with him as Dennis,
was...
not his real identity,

not known, not revealed to the audience.

And even then,
before we knew
who Bob Lazar was,

that sparked a big...
A great deal of interest
among the public.

I spent eight months
between May and November

trying to verify Bob's
background,

to see if we could
solidify the case,

to see if we could find out
if he was telling the truth.

And then to... The plan was to unleash it in November,

which is what we did...

...it was the highest-rated
news series we've ever done.

It was the highest-rated news special that ever aired in Las Vegas.

And then it really exploded,
it went all over the world.

Bootleg copies of the tapes
were being sold and shown
in movie theaters.

You had media interests
from all over the world.

And I think a lot of it was skeptical at the beginning

which, of course, it would be.

But in the end, every major news organization in the world

beat a path to Area 51's door.

And tens of thousands of people started showing up out there,

to see whatever it was
that was flying around
in the desert.

They're still coming,
all these years later.

And I know a lot of my media
colleagues have had
problems with that story,

but they've all covered it,
all of them.

It put Area 51 on the
map. It's now known all
over the world.

Even though Lazar
worked at S4,

Area 51 is the term
that the public knows.

So it was huge.
It was huge then,
it's huge now.

[narrator] The mountains
appear to float
on dry lake beds.

Like spaceships
from another world.

They seem to ride
on a viscous material,

channeled through empty space
by heat that rises and
separates.

It petrifies
everything it contacts

like a green glass honey.

A goddamn psychedelic liquid

drowning the emptiness
with imagination.

This desert is pocked and
punctuated by a thousand
gaping holes

created in the thousand
atomic blasts that define
an era.

What are they building
in the desert,
north of Las Vegas?

[echoing]
What are they hiding?

[man chuckling] Yeah.

[suspenseful music playing]

[Jeremy] What is your name
and what is your
relationship to Bob Lazar?

My name is Mario Santa Cruz,
and I met Bob actually
in my neighborhood.

He lived, like,
one block over.

My attraction to Bob
was his jet dragster.

I saw this jet dragster
sitting out in front
of his house

in our neighborhood
which was extremely...

Just the jet dragster alone
was rare.

But in my neighborhood, to
see something like that
was unbelievable.

[Jeremy] People were
harassing Bob,
threatening him,

and you were with him
in one of those experiences,
at least one.

A couple of times, actually.

I actually had
a weapon with me,

you know, when we
rode together because he
had been shot at, you know?

What was the weapon,
was it the Uzi?

Yes.Yeah. [chuckling]

[Mario]
I don't know why
I'm being so careful.

I'm used to being that way
when it comes to talking
about Bob.

Being careful what I say, you know what I mean?

So it's kind of
a force of habit

to kind of just walk on
eggshells a little bit.

He just wanted to stay alive.

That's why he exposed himself.

His life was...
It was in chaos.

Hell, he pulled out of it
and he dug deep.

It's a pretty
incredible story.

[interviewer] They shot at you?
Somebody shot maybe
as a warning perhaps.

It was a good warning.
I had my back tire shot
out on my car

as I was getting
on the freeway.

My--You saw the guy?

Yeah.

Is this a secret worth
killing to keep?

I mean, the government,
would you say?

Obviously.

But in fact, the only reason

that getting this
on tape is insurance.

Well, that's one reason,
but, I mean, also
as an American citizen,

you're bothered by...
That this stuff is
going on and--

Yeah, I am, but not enough
to have, you know,

stood here and
have it on the record.

Insurance is the true
motivation behind this.

At four months old, in our
little apartment in Florida,

that's me holding him,
very proud mom holding him.

We had a beautiful
little place in Florida.

Look at that.

One Sunday morning,
must have been about
6:00 in the morning,

everyone's asleep,
and there's this huge bang.

Bob had put a jet engine
in the bike.

At 6:00 in the morning,
he decided to take it
out for a trip.

[Jeremy] What did you guys
think when he said,
"Mom, Dad, I'm building--"

Scared out of my mind.

I didn't know what
he was going to do next.

Was he going to blow up the
house, blow up the world?

I don't know.

[Jeremy]
It's out there, you know? He's out there.

You know, if he proves
his story, let's say,

maybe it would cause problems,
maybe it would blow shit up.

It... More than
likely it would.

But he's best off
keeping things
down low, really.

But at the same time, he has
said there is a way he could
prove his story.

I want him to be happy.

If vindication is
what he wants, fine.

But that's up to him.

You believe him or not.

It's a fearful thing
to think that there's
something out there

that we don't know anything
about. Or are they dangerous?
Can they hurt us?

Will they attack us?
You don't want to know,

so you don't believe it.

You'd rather not believe.

There might be other things
out there, other things
in the universe.

There has to be.
We can't be all
by ourselves.

We can't be.

[eerie music playing]

My name is Joy
and I am Bob's wife.

We've been together 17 years.

[Jeremy] What is it that
you think is
most misunderstood?

That he really is
an honest guy,
you know?

He doesn't make stuff up.

[Jeremy]
I guess it's just so big.

So the easier thing to do

is to point the finger
and say, "Liar."

[Joy] Yeah, that's so sad.

That's really sad...

That they don't know
real Bob.

[narrator]
There's particular moments
that define each one of us.

We may not know it
at the time, but
we learn it later.

Every action creates
a cascade of reactions.

Life is a web of events.

Actions overlaid
by consequence.

And woven across
the fabric of time.

Future determined by past,

past defined by present,

present experienced throughout the lens of personal history.

But for some, it's obvious.

You can put your finger on it.

That definable,
indelible moment
when everything changed.

[Bob] I love my job. There's a lot of craftsmanship in the stuff I do.

I really like working
with my hands.

It's a really unique job.

I don't think there's any
other job

where you get to do this kind
of stuff every day.

We'll either get
a really interesting
order coming in,

or Bob will get bored

and try to come up with
a new project, and that's
when it gets really fun.

So, there's another one
that he wants to do...

Like recreate a grand atomic
chemistry set,

something of that sort,
and I think that will be
really cool

if he ever decides
to hone in on that.

[Bob]
This is the
atomic energy lab kit.

It's something from
the 1950s, a toy,

like a chemistry set you'd get
for your kid. It was made by
Gilbert.

[man] Chemistry is, today,
a fascinating adventure
for youth of all ages.

Gilbert has made this
exciting science

available in safe
and easy-to-understand form.

Made as completely safe as human ingenuity can devise.

[Bob]
This actually came
with radioactive material.

You could really conduct
atomic energy experiments
in it.

It was fascinating.

And it was billed as the most
dangerous toy ever made,

and still, in some respect,
it's still considered
that way today.

But the thing is it wasn't,
it was just people's fear.

[mysterious music playing]

[Jeremy] So, here I am
and I'm watching
you do your work.

If people don't know you,
it''s so easy for them

to just make shit up about you
and to dehumanize you.

How simple that is to do.

The fact that somebody
would say you're
not a scientist.

I mean, all I've ever done,

is science-related stuff
my entire life.

So, I don't know.
I guess the point is,
do I really care what

people I don't know think?

And probably to some extent,
I do.

But I don't dwell on it.

I guess it is easier to
discredit someone that
you have no information on,

'cause you can just say
anything about them,

then there's nothing
to refute it.

I mean, I feel privileged
I got to work in it.

So, in some respects,
I shouldn't be
allowed to complain.

I've given the example of,
you know,

transporting one of those
small modern-day
portable nuclear reactor

back into Victorian times,
and giving it to
the scientists there.

Back in that time,
they didn't even know
about radiation.

So they'd see a machine making
power, kind of like what we're
doing,

and marvel at it, "Wow it's
producing a lot of
power,

there's no smokestack,
there's no coal, there's
no fuel.

How is this thing working?"

They start taking it apart.

Well, they'll all die, soon as
they get close to the core.

If people would come in
to check on them,
we'll all die,

and no one knows,
nothing touched them.

So they're going to think
it's haunted or something,

there's some evil forces
or something in there.

But, I mean, who says
that can't happen to us?

The first time Barry showed me
the reactor in operation,

you know, here it is
on the bench,

and he said, you know,
"Try and touch
the sphere on top."

And you couldn't,
your hand was pushed away.

Just like in two
light poles of a magnet.

It's the exact same feeling.
But there was
no metal involved.

And that's shocking.

That's really shocking because
nothing does that.

That's an operating
powerful force field.

So just seeing
something like that

immediately starts that whole
chain reaction in your mind

going, "Wow, wait, if you
could do this, there could
be force fields on tanks.

There can be things
that lift off the ground.

We don't need jet
and rocket engines anymore.

That means, wait,
there's no use for cars."
I mean, boom!

The whole thing changes the
entire world, the economy,
everything.

We'd go end-on-end just if we
had an answer to how that
machine worked

that I was sitting there,
touching.

[Jeremy] The potential for us
to re-understand

human experience is--Right.

Right. I mean,
there's life somewhere else.

It's a big deal.

It's an important part
of human history that
we've found that out.

It was...

Awesome but fearsome
at the same time.

It was being completely
fucking scared all day long.

It's not exactly the most fun job when you're there.

You know, almost three
decades later,
the fear drops off

and you're just left with the
amazement and technology
that you were exposed to.

Here we have
an artifact here from
another civilization.

It really changes the way a lot of people think.

We're all looking
for an answer.

Having physical proof
is an awful big deal.

[Jeremy] I think what a lot of people find really compelling about Bob,

he legitimately appeared...

And appears sometimes
just perplexed by what he saw.

Have you noticed
that about him?

[George] Yeah, he was aware
that this was weird.

He was aware it was weird
that they hired him.

I mean, you know,
he's a smart guy,

and he thinks outside the box. So in a lot of ways,

he might have been
just exactly
what they needed

for a program that
seemed to be stalled.

But he knew that he wasn't
their kind of a guy,

that they could have had
their pick of any
scientist in the world,

presumably, to work on this.

So it was strange, and it was
strange that they started
showing him

these briefing books with
this incredibly sensitive
information.

Right off the bat.

As soon as he gets there,
they start showing him
this stuff

with alien bodies broken down

so he could see their organs
and the history

of human-alien interaction
and all kinds of things

that the UFO community
had suspected

but no one could prove,
and he just thought
it was weird

that anyone would
show him this stuff.

He wondered what the heck
was going on.

I think he was thrilled,
you know, part of him
was really thrilled

to be there and thrilled
to see it,

even if it turned out to be
some kind of a ruse.

But, you know, he knew that
something was not quite right

about the whole thing,
or suspected that anyway.

[Jeremy] You were telling
people since 1989 that there
was some sort of hand scanner,

there was like a bone scanner.
and you tried to describe it.
You said

you think it took measurements
of the bone,

there were these pegs,
you put your hand on it.

[Bob] It's a small plate with some pins on it that you could put between your fingers.

There's a bright
light above it...

The interesting thing is when
you walk into the facility,

or even to leave,
they have a hand reader.

I was told that it has to do
something where it measures
the...

A bright light measures the
bones in your finger, they're
unique to each person.

It sounds like something
out of a TV show, but
it's exactly the way it is.

[Jeremy] I looked for that
kind of thing
all over the Internet,

I never found anything,
and then all of a sudden,

this article comes out and it
says that at the Nellis Range,

they were talking about
the stealth program,

there was indeed this hand
scanner that was used in the
secret programs,

and they just admitted
or announced it publicly,

and there were some photos,
and I just was interested
and so...

I never thought I'd see
one of these again.

[laughing]

But I tried to explain this
to people so many times,

and they either didn't
believe me or say, "Yeah,
yeah, I'm sure there is."

And there is it.
There it is.

[Jeremy]
It's like a biometric thing
for the hands, yeah?

The beginnings of, yeah, I
mean, it wasn't all that
advanced back then

but, yeah, that's it.

I can't believe you found
a picture of this.
I really can't.

This was the scanner
used to get in to S4.

And I tried to explain this
to people so many times

that there were pins in
you stuck your hand,
a light above,

and it supposedly
measured the length
of the bones in your hand

that, you know,
is unique
in each individual.

It's exactly how it was.

Yeah, that's amazing.
It's amazing you
came up with these.

It's amazing
to see this again.

Back then,
this was the hot thing.

[Jeremy] What does it
feel like when these
little things that you said

become public,
and there's this
tiny bit of vindication--

It is, there's little moments
of vindication,

you know, little pieces
here and there,

little I-told-you-so's,
you know,

pop up every couple of years
or so, but this is a big one.

'Cause a lot of people
said these didn't exist,

and, yeah, it was some just...

fanciful thing I came up with.
But, yeah,
this is exactly it.

[narrator] Ideas are the
most dangerous weapons
on the planet.

They creep under your skin.

Dormant, volatile, explosive.

They attach to our
collective consciousness.

And then one day, they bubble
to the surface to assert
their power...

And when detonated,

life is never the same again.

And we immediately know
we're always wrong.

We're always fucking wrong.

I did not believe that this
should be a security matter.

Some of it, sure.

But just the concept
that there's definite proof...

We even have articles from
another world, another system,

you just can't
not tell everyone.

[interviewer] Checking out
Lazar's credentials prove
to be a difficult task.

He says he earned degrees
in physics and electronics,

but the schools we
contacted say they've
never heard of him.

He also said he worked
as a physicist at
Los Alamos National Lab,

where he experimented with one of the world's largest

particle beam accelerators,
a half-mile long behemoth

capable of generating
700 million volts.

Los Alamos officials told us

they had no records
of a Robert Lazar
ever working there.

They were either
mistaken or were lying.

A 1982 phone book
from the lab lists Lazar

right there among the other
scientists and technicians.

A 1982 clipping from
the Los Alamos newspaper

profiled Lazar
and his interest
in jet cars.

It, too, mentioned his
employment at the lab
as a physicist.

We called Los Alamos
again, and an exasperated
official told us

he still had
no records on Lazar.

EG&G, which is where Lazar
says he was interviewed

for the job at S4,
also has no records.

It's as if someone has
made him disappear.

[Jeremy] One thing that people
say about your story
and your experience

is that you were a puppet,
a marionette,

that you had no control
over what was going on
at that time,

that you were taken advantage of
or compromised,

and you were being used
as a source of disinformation.

And what evidence
to support that?

Right--Yeah.

And what's the evidence
to support those claims?

Is that just something to say?No, I'm just saying,
that's the kind--

If you make a statement,
you have to have some evidence

to say where the
statement came from.

You're basing it on
emotion and fear.

And you're afraid
that I'm right.

Tell me what you've heard
that makes this impossible.

I'm trying to tell you
exactly the way things were.

Where is it? Show me
the alternate reality
that you believe

that doesn't lock up
with my actual reality.

I mean, where are those other
facts? Show me what they are,

these facts you
grabbed together

and painted a different story
of my life than I did.

I mean, I thought I set the
record straight 30 years ago.

[narrator] Can we ever be
made whole if we're
not believed?

If our life story
is challenged by consensus?

Most of us are not forced to
answer for our past.

We couldn't really navigate this moment with an irreverence of what came before.

But some people
are placed under
a microscope.

Their words, their actions
scrutinized and challenged.

And then they're told to
quiet the lies.

How much can a man take before he submits to the weight and consequence of distrust?

Does he fade back into the
shadows that formed him?

Or does he lash out?

To carve his words
into your flesh.

[intense music playing]

I don't know
what else can I say.

What else can I say?
How can I prove anything else?

[Jeremy] At the
worst-case scenario,

you lied for a girl
or you lied to get a job.

What does that mean
about your story?

Do you think Los Alamos just
hired me out of high school?

If you don't think
that's possible,

then something
had to happen
in between.

I don't understand how
everybody gets so
caught up in the minutiae.

Because you can debate
that stuff forever.

We can go back before MIT.

And you can start fighting
whether or not,

and where I lived
in high school.

That is not going to translate
into answering the questions

and the things that I have
brought into the public eye.

That's the important stuff.

It almost seems
like this is an
intentional distraction.

You need to pay attention
to the bigger picture.

If you really want
to research
all the other stuff,

fine, go ahead and do it.

But you really need to pay
attention to what I'm saying.

'Cause I have better things
to do than come up with this.

I'm not interested
in doing this.

I'm not... I don't like being
in the public eye.

I don't have money
for doing this.

And quite frankly,
I could make up a better lie.

But I have
no motivation to lie.

This hasn't helped me out.

What does that mean for
Lazar's story that we can't
prove his schooling in fact?

[George] It was a problem,
I mean, I wondered,

can we go forward
if we can't verify

what was going on
in his background?

The central point for me was,
if he worked at Los Alamos,

that suggests he had to
have an education somewhere.

I think he said it to me
a couple of times, you know.

"What do you think, they
hired me right out of
high school?"

I looked at people
who knew him back then,

Jim Taliani for one,
who said,

"Yeah, Bob went to Caltech back then. I dropped him off."

I interviewed another person
who also knew Bob then

and said that he would
drop him off at Caltech,

or pick him up
from the library.

That, if he wasn't
going to school there,

he sure was making
a good show of it back then.

Would it prove his story
about working
on flying saucers

if he could show
he had degrees
from Caltech and MIT?

No, of course not.

It would not prove that he
worked on flying saucers,

it would just prove
that he went to school.

The people who despise him

and who doubt the story the
most, the debunkers,

would find something else
to bitch about.

Bob got into some trouble
after he became a
worldwide UFO celebrity,

he did a typical
Bob-sort-of-a-thing

and got mixed up with
some hookers,
he was helping them

set up a mini brothel
in a neighborhood.

And when he told me about it, I thought, "Oh, my gosh!"

My professional life
is flashing before my eyes.

The most high-profile
witness in the biggest
story I've ever done

is now telling me
he's involved in
this criminal enterprise,

and he kind of thought
it was funny.

But it wasn't funny to me,
so I said, "You got to stop
this stuff,

you got to shut this down."
I called the cops.

I let some people know,
"Look, he made a mistake,

it's being shut down."

They raided the place,
arrested Bob. And in
those days,

they weren't many people
who were ever prosecuted

and arrested for pandering.
Lazar was.

So, Parole and Probation,

they're doing
a background investigation,

and they're going to make
a recommendation to the court

what the sentence
should be for his crimes.

He tells them the same story. Where he went to school,

where he worked, S4,

MIT, Caltech, all that.
And they investigated.

They were having the same
problems that I was having.

They couldn't verify
a lot of this stuff.

If Bob truly was
a UFO con man,

that was the time
to come clean.

Because Parole and Probation
was ticked off.

They thought he was
misleading them.

And as a result of that,
they were going to recommend,

they did recommend,
that he do hard time,
go to prison.

He knew it. That was the time
for him to come clean.

Because it was a much better
chance that he would not
be sent to prison.

He didn't.
He stuck to his story.

He told them the same story
that he told me.

That went a long way for me

in showing that he had
been telling the truth.

Because it was definitely
in his own self-interest
to fess up

at that point, and that's
not what he did.
He stuck to his guns.

And here's the thing,
I could see Bob Lazar

pranks the UFO world
and the UFO community,

I could see him doing
something like that.

But does he lie
to his mom and dad?

Does he lie to his wife?

Does he lie to all of his
close friends and tell
them the same story

and try to get away with it?

If you look back on the
people who knew him while
this was going on,

who knew him before
he was hired
to work out at S4,

who knew him during the
time he was going back
and forth out there,

and who stuck by him

after this whirlwind
of international publicity

kind of rained down
on his head.

Everyone who knew him,
everyone who was close to him

supports his story
and says he's
telling the truth.

[interviewer] You saw something
up there that you think might
have been--

I hate... I really hate
to say stuff that I can't
put my hands on

and say this is
absolutely for sure.What did you see?

I walked down the hallway
and, one time, I was
working out there

and there were doors,
the doors that go
to the hangars,

the smaller doors from
the corridors that have
a 9-inch,

or 12-inch square window
with a little wires running
through it

just about head level,
and as I was walking by,

I just glanced in
and I noticed...

At a quick glance, there was...

There were two guys
in white lab coats

facing me towards the door
and they were looking down
and talking

to something small
with long arms.

Now, I was just surprised
as I walked by and I only
caught a glimpse.

But I don't know
what on earth that was.

[Jeremy] People say
you saw an alien. Did you
see an alien at S4, Bob?

I don't think
I saw an alien at S4.

You know, we're
splitting hairs here.

This had to do
with a glance
through a window

that I wasn't supposed
to be looking at anyway.

And I'm still convinced.

I looked in the window and I
think these guys had a doll

in a small chair which was,
you know, similar to what
was in the craft.

And I think they were
just looking at dimensions

and they put
something in there.

And I had just taken a glance
and it was just, you know,

something tiny
sitting in the chair.

I don't think there
was an alien in there
posing for them.

You know, I think they
just had a small character
or something.

You know, doing measurements
or something. Again, we're
talking about, you know,

like a 400 millisecond
glance, so...

Now, how much
can you see out of that?

I never saw any aliens
walking around there.

I never heard anybody saying
anything about living aliens,
so...

I don't think that was it.

But they did have a nickname
for the aliens--

"The kids."

The kids.

[mysterious music playing]

[narrator]
Is someone else here?

Maybe visitors
interested in us?

In our genes, in our souls?

Maybe we're property,
just a goddamn commodity.

Or like livestock.

Maybe they'd like
our condors and cupcakes.

A kimono or a top hat,
who the fuck knows?

Or maybe, every single sighting of things in the sky

is a product of our collective consciousness.

A false hope that humanity
desperately needs

intervention
by external powers.

We've always looked
to the skies for answers

instead of looking
into ourselves.

[interviewer] All right,
so when, at what point...
Describe the evolution

of your knowledge here,
I mean, that you realized
that this thing

that you were working on
came out of a flying saucer?

Well, of course,
I know that technology
doesn't exist at all.

Why?It doesn't.

Take my word for it.

[chuckling]

It's...

It's just technology
that doesn't exist yet.

I mean, you're talking
about... There is...

Science doesn't even know
what gravity is,

much less how to
produce it or control it.

And here is a device
that's producing it
and controlling it

and using it as propulsion,
so...

[Jeremy] You're telling me
there's a different physics?

That was your job,
you were working on that?

The science was something
we were trying to figure out.

But we knew how the devices
would operate.

You know, for instance,
the propulsion of the craft,

everything that we have,

whether it's a propeller plane
or a jet or a rocket,

it throws something
out the back.

Either high-speed exhaust,
or a large volume of air.

It's an
action-reaction force.

The action is, you throw
something out the back,

and it moves you forward,
it's how everything works.

This is the first time
there's a craft,

it's a reaction-less craft.

It's a field-propulsion craft.

And what it does
is it creates a distortion

in space and time in front of
it. Where space actually bends.

And my analogy to that
has always been

you put a bowling ball
in the middle of your bed

and then a foot
in front of it,

take your fist
and push down
on the mattress,

the bowling ball
will roll towards it.

And that's exactly
how the craft worked.

It creates a distortion right
in front of it and the craft
follows forward.

[Jeremy] Right. So there's
a different physics that--

Well, the science
that explains how
the technology works.

I mean, it's all
encompassed
as one thing,

alien technology and science.

[Jeremy]
What is the big picture?

What is the takeaway
of your story
after you're gone?

You're not a rebel kid

with a jet car
at Los Alamos today.

Today's a different
Bob Lazar, right?

Right.What have we learned?

What's the message
of your story?

The big thing is the
suppression of extremely
advanced technology.

And the suppression of
unknown science. That's it.

Those two things,

to me, is the only thing
that's important about
what was going on out there.

Yeah, there's
another civilization

and, like I've said before,
that's a crime

not to tell humanity
about that, but that's
a separate thing.

[Jeremy] Meaning that there
is something different in
science dramatically

that we're not
allowed to know?Right.

Right.That is a true statement?

Yeah, that's a true statement.

The fact that there is another
intelligent, technologically
advanced civilization,

we have some of their objects.

That is really the pinnacle,

that there is another
civilization in existence

that's intelligent
that we know about.

And we actually have artifacts
from them that can operate.

So, I mean,
that's a big, big deal.

But, in my mind,
there's a lot to
deal with that.

However, the science and
technology can change us
dramatically,

can change the way
the entire world operates,

the economy, everything.

So those stick out in my mind
as being critically important.

And we have it?Oh, we have them.

You don't have to believe it,
but we do.

And you've seen it?I've seen it.

And you've touched it?

I've dismantled it.

After you're exposed to it,
just for a little while,

it begins to settle in your
mind, these are normal things.

Like, "Okay, 115 belong
there on the chart,
and these... this flies,

and this is how gravity works,
great."

It's like someone being...
From the 1800s being exposed

to a car for a few days.
He takes it for granted
very quickly.

The most shocking thing
was when I actually got to
look inside the disc,

the seats in the panel
associated with them

were very small, they were,
you know, perhaps that
far off the ground.

Like something...
Now, you've...

If we had made something
like that we wouldn't have
made it to fit children.

It was, uh...

It just lead me to believe,
with the size

of the alien cadavers
that I saw,

with the size of the seats
inside...

[narrator] Memory is a mirage
and mistress to desire,

shapeshifting and ethereal.

She's inherently
elusive and malleable.

We acknowledge her
if it suits our fantasy
in the moment.

We fear her because
she's unpredictable.

Can we trust our own memories?

[echoes] What if we can't?
What if we can?

Can we return to
the scene of the crime

to extract hidden details

and to see more clearly
what we thought we saw?

I was told... The rhythmic
shouting and the constant
threats,

that's a form of hypnosis.

[interviewer] When did they...
When did this happen?

Oh, this happened
almost immediately.

They started yelling
and screaming at you?

Yeah.

Fun place to work.

Well, no. Like I said,
it was a terrible
atmosphere to work in.

But when you weigh that

with what you're
going to be around,

you'll basically
go through anything.

"Yeah, go ahead.
When can we go back
to the flying saucers?"

[Jeremy] You did hypnosis

Mmm-hmm.to try to recall details

from your employment
and from the physics...

Right....of what you learned.
Is that correct?

Yeah, that's correct.
With Layne Keck.Okay.

And did you recall anything?

Yeah, I did. I mean,
specifics, things you
might have missed.

I basically wanted to try
everything I could

to prove what I was saying.

So this was just another tool.

[Jeremy] You're familiar
that hypnosis can work
to recall--

Yeah. And I had--
had it done to me before.

So, I'd had proven that, yeah,
this really does do something.

Let's try and remember
some fine details.

You wanted to recall
some physics that you
learned there?

Yeah, I wanted to recall
as much as I possibly could.

I mean, so much went
through my mind.

Just imagine all the things
you were seeing.

And everyone is
completely fascinating

and something you
haven't seen before.
It's just data overload.

So I was hoping that

hypnosis would get me
relaxed enough

where maybe, everything
was packed so tight together,

maybe I could just start
thumbing through things

and just pick up
even a couple
little more tidbits

could paint a bigger
picture and I could,

you know, possibly
explain things better.

Or, you know, possibly locate
some of these other guys

or anything,
any bit of information.

So, yeah.
It was pretty handy.

So you did recall
some things, technically--Yeah.

Technically?Yeah.

Technical things
and probably
others too.

More and more
hypnosis is accepted,

however, there's still a lot
of misconceptions about it.

[interviewer] Like what?

Oh. They think
that you go into
a trance

and the hypnotist
does something and
you don't remember it,

and all of a sudden
your life changes.

And that's not the case
at all. There's no
mind control happening.

[Layne]
Take a nice deep breath.

Close your eyes
and just think relaxation.

Now, just think about
your head and relax
your head.

Now, what I want you to do

is to get as comfortable
as you possibly can.

And just relax completely.

Now, double your relaxation

and the number 100
will be there.

One, zero, zero.

Double your relaxation.

And the number 99
will come right on in.

Bob. Bob.

From this moment on...

From this moment on,

you will recall and remember
the material that you seek.

And no one or nothing,
past, present or future

will stand in your way.

Bob. Bob. Bob.

You will remember
because you desire

[echoes] to remember.

To remember.

[Layne] At one point,

he was in hypnosis,

I think he was
drawing a reactor.

He was trying to recall
what was in the books.

He saw in the book
and then I told him,

"Well, you'll come up
and open your eyes, and
you will be able to draw."

And he did. But it
didn't mean anything to him.

But it was a drawing
that he drew this way.

[Jeremy] Oh, no way!But it was this way.

[Layne]
And so afterwards,
he looked at it,

you know, he came back over
and sat down here for a while

and, "Oh, that's because..."
All he had to do was turn it.

So that's the superconscious

and literal, the subconscious
takes things literal.

[Jeremy] Right. Like, it's like the mind is absorbing

all this stuff, and then he
discovers what his mind
had absorbed.

He's remembering.[Layne] Yeah.

I was writing so fast.

[Jeremy]
I can't imagine what you
were thinking too.

Because you're discovering with them that kind of shock.

What's the truth?

[Layne] Hypnosis is the best possible tool of getting to the truth.

If a person makes
things up normally,

they can lie under
hypnosis just as easily
as out of hypnosis.

But if they're really
trying to get to and
retrieve information,

then it's the best tool
that I know of.

He came in to find out
what he didn't know.

We were able to go back,
overcome the fear

and bring forth
those memories.

[interviewer] According to
Lazar, his employer was the
United States Navy.

He says he and other
government employees
would gather near EG&G,

fly to Groom Lake, then
a very few people would
get into a bus

with blacked-out
or no windows
and ride to S4.

[interviewer]
So, you get off the bus,
what do you see?

It's a very interesting
building, it's got a slope

of probably about 30 degrees.

Which are hangar doors.

And it has textured
paint on it,
but it looks like sand.

It's made to look like
the side of a mountain.

Whether to disguise it from satellite photographs or what.

[newscaster] He says he was never told exactly what he'd be working on

but figured it had
something to do with
advanced propulsion.

On his first day, he was told
to read a series of briefings

and immediately realized
how advanced
the propulsion was.

The power sources
and antimatter reactor,

they run gravity amplifiers.

There's actually two parts
to the drive mechanism.

Uh, it's a bizarre technology.

There's no physical hookup
between any of the systems in
there.

They use gravity as a wave,
using wave guides, almost like
microwaves.

[interviewer] Polygrapher Terry Tavernetti runs a corporate security operation

and is a former
Los Angeles police officer.

He put Lazar
through four tests

and concluded
there was no
attempt to deceive.

I left there
thinking that, um...

...I feel we do have
some credibility to what
the subject had to say.

And that's when I went
to some of my colleagues.

[interviewer] Tavernetti sent the test results to a third polygrapher

who agreed the results
appeared truthful.

Bob has explained
to me multiple times,

he tried everything
in his power
to prove his story.

[George] I wanted to feel
better for myself.

So I said, "Hey, would you be willing to undergo a polygraph test?"

He did not hesitate.
He said, "Yes."

Four different tests
on four different areas of
Bob's claims,

and he said afterwards,
"There was no attempt to
deceive at all."

He's telling what he believes
to be the truth.

I have asked the question
many times over the years,

"How did Bob Lazar know this
stuff if he wasn't there?"

He knew there was
a place called S4.

I called Dallas
Air Force Base
public information office.

They confirmed. Told me
there really was a place
called S4.

Now, there's no news story
prior to Bob Lazar

about any place called S4.

He knew about it.
He also knew EG&G

had arranged to
hire personnel,

that if you were
going to get a job
out of Groom Lake,

EG&G was the company
that you would go through.

He knew that there had been
investigators at his home

for the background check,
he remembered the guy's name.

It was an odd name
Mike Thigpen. Now,
how did he know?

How did he know that Mike
Thigpen works for a federal
agency that does this stuff?

After 30 years, and this
guy dodging you,
I found Mike Thigpen.

I found Thigpen. That's amazing.

I couldn't believe it.
He's on the east coast.

I called him, I've talked
with him multiple times.

You know, he won't go
on camera because
he doesn't want to

kind of put a dark shadow
upon the work that
he did before,

but, personally,
he conveyed to me
that that was his job,

that was exactly what he did
in Las Vegas in 1989.

And, in fact,
he remembers Bob Lazar.

[George] Most
important thing Bob knew

is that they were flying something that looks exactly like the flying saucer

over Papoose Lake.

And they flew up
on Wednesday nights.

And he took people
out there three weeks
in a row

and showed it to them.

And at least once, maybe
twice, they recorded it
on video. That's real.

How did Bob know that?
There had been no stories

about test flights and flying saucers at Papoose Lake.

And by the way, that's where
it was. It wasn't over
Groom Lake,

it was over Papoose Lake.

We checked out so many details that Bob had told us

that turned out to be true.

The existence of S4.
Element 115

really did become an element
years later

that Bob had been consulted
by the lab

which first synthesized man-made element 115.

There was a whole long string
of things that he knew
that checked out.

These milestones
along the way,

no matter how much
we nitpick it apart,

no matter how much
people don't want to
believe it,

the evidence that he's
telling the truth outweighs
the evidence that he's not.

Well, I agree with you. And if I did not believe that,

I would not still be working
on the story,

I would not be publicly
defending Bob Lazar.

[uplifting music]

[Jeremy] What was your function at working on this,

you were doing what?

What was your job?

[Bob] We were to
reverse-engineer

the power and
propulsion system
of this craft

and see if it can be
duplicated with
available materials.

[Jeremy] I just want to
go over with you

what is it that you saw,
to draw it out for people,
to make a sketch.

As you're seeing it, as if
you're there at that moment.

You've got to go
back in the past.

Something I termed,
the "Sport Model."

Underneath this floor,

there are three...

Three large
cylindrical devices.

These are on mounts
that allow them

to completely swivel
up to 180 degrees,

and in 360-degree rotation.

Directly above each one

is a small rectangular object.

This is on the floor above.

And these are the gravity
amplifiers themselves.

Looking down from the top,

you'd have the center.
In the very center,

there is a small reactor.

Surrounding this,

in three equally-spaced areas
are the amplifiers.

So, this is looking at it
sideways, this is looking
at it down from the top.

And under these amplifiers,
underneath the floor below

are the gravity emitters.

So it's the reactor
here powering the
gravity amplifiers.

Gravity amplifiers' output
goes into the gravity emitters
at the bottom,

and the resulting gravity beam
or anti-gravity wave can be

pretty much put
anywhere you want to.

Um...

There was
another level up here.

Now, I had access
and was permitted

to view and look at the
operation of this main level,

with the gravity amplifiers
and the level below,

the gravity emitters.

There is a level above,

which consisted of these two
areas that I'm not all that
familiar with.

I assume these to be some sort
of navigational engine.

People called these large
black rectangular areas

on the top "potholes,"
I believe they were

some planar sensor array

that just took in information
from the surrounding area,

whether it be
patterns of stars
or what have you.

And there was their version of
a computer or something to
make determinations here

that takes input
from those sensors

and then lets the craft know
how to orient itself

and where it was in space.

So, that's what
I assume to be
out there.

I don't know for a fact,
again, that was not
part of my job,

and I was only led
to believe that.

The center antenna is really
an extension of the reactor
in the center.

And that's a wave guide
which allows

the emission of the gravity
wave, which forms kind of a
heart-shape

over the whole craft.

That's how it creates
its distortion.

These gravity emitters can be
swung all the way up to 180
degrees.

And this allows the craft
to essentially stand

on two of them and hover

while this one swings up
and creates a distortion
in front of it,

allowing the craft
to slide forward.

So that's how their
low-power mode

omicron configuration
operates.

The delta configuration
uses all three.

And unlike science-fiction
movies where you see
flying saucers

just flying on like that,

they actually fly belly first.
The craft flies along,

leaves the atmosphere
of the planet, it turns its
belly to the destination,

the three amplifiers
focus in on the destination,

and that's how it proceeds.

So that's basically
the operation of it

and overall how things
were laid out
inside the craft.

[Jeremy] This is
an alien spacecraft.

Right. Obviously.

[mysterious music playing]

[Joy]
This was the Albuquerque
Journal.

[Jeremy] Is that the particle
accelerator you had?[Bob] Yeah.

The guy that promised
not to say anything

that won't say anything
about the UFOs.

The article's titled...

"'UFO Guy' in Spotlight."

Thanks, dude.

Isn't that when, after this
came in there, then the
fire department, police,

the zoning commission,
everybody descended
on our house.

Yeah, and wanted to know who.
Here's "Lab Supplier in
Controversy."

[Jeremy] Oh, look at that.

So originally, the thing was
supposed to be about what?

What did the guy
say the article--

The hydrogen car, I think--Well, the raid.
It was about the raid.

This one?Yeah, that's why,

"Lab Supplier in Controversy."
Yeah.Oh, okay.

The raid in New Mexico.

The guy called, and he said,
"Hey, I heard about the raid
and all that.

Can I come and do that?"

And then he says,
"Are you Bob Lazar,
the Area 51 guy?"

I said, "Yeah,

but I don't want to get into
that, this is something more
important."

He said, "Oh, yeah, we won't
even mention it, no problem."

[Jeremy] Literally, your house
was taken over by a SWAT team?

[Bob] Yeah.Yes.

They don't just send a letter
in the mail or call us.

[Jeremy] Right.Have the whole SWAT team

invite themselves
to our home.

[narrator] Hidden things
are the most seductive.

Secrets reach
deep into our desire.

They titillate and torment us
like a ticking clock

or a distant alarm
with no origin.

They agitate us
and force us to react.

They endanger
our complacency.

There was a missing element
to your faith.

But that's the
nature of faith,

that there is something
out there that hovers

and promises salvation.

[automated voice] Your call has been forwarded to an automated voice messaging system.

At the tone,
please record your message.

Hey, Jeremy,
it's Bob Lazar.

Listen. I have
something to ask you.

Something's really come up
that's important.

If you would text me

and let me know
when is a good time
to call you,

I don't want you to call me.

I just need to run
something by you,

okay? Thanks, bye.

[Jeremy] All right. So the
only record of this

is going to be on the audio
on this one file

and then this video clip,
I'm not going to cut it.

I'm going to let it run.Understood.

Okay. And then
what I'm going to
do is to encrypt it,

and then I'm going to put both
of those two files into an
encrypted thing

to not be touched unless we
decide it should be touched.

Yeah, that's fine.Okay.

It'll be on two drives.
But those two files will both
be in an encrypted folder.

So here's the deal.

Did you ever get a piece of
element 115 out of Los Alamos?

[forwarding tape]

...I don't know how much
monitoring they do with me.

I'm sure it's virtually none
after all this time.

The same thing--Hold on a second.

Do you have your phone on you?Yes.

Let's, at this point,

take our phone... Let me put
them on the ground over there.

I'll turn mine off.

[Bob] I mean, maybe this
has been kept from us for
a good reason.

A lot of people agree
to keep this secret.

So, first of all,
who am I to upset it?

And second of all, who am I
to outthink these guys.

Maybe they went over
all these scenarios already,

and they know
how fucked up
everything will be.

So, there's no guarantee
that this revelation

is going to make
everything great.

There's just as much
chance it's going to make
everything terrible

and I'll be to
blame for that.

They identified
themselves as FBI

and they said,
"You're Bob Lazar, right?"

And, you know, one of them
got on the radio

saying, "Yeah, he's here."

Apparently, they also had
my house staked out.

And they were deciding
whether or not to go there.

The conveyor belt
of vehicles and agents

and police did not stop.
The whole thing...

It was like
aTwilight Zone episode.

They came in and they said,
"There'll be a few other
people coming here,

just got a couple
of questions to ask you."

In a short time, the street
filled up with vehicles

and the building
completely filled
with agents.

It was really something else.

[Jeremy] Did they identify
themselves initially--

Yeah, it was FBI,
identified themselves.

Then came in state police

and a few other agencies,
I don't remember who.

But, there were a lot.
Awful lot.

Standing room only in the
building. It was crazy.

[Jeremy] They had like a
forensic truck, they had a
bunch of different agents,

they gridded off the building.
I mean, obviously,

they were looking
for something.

Yeah. And what they said,
they were looking into
some paperwork,

an old order from two years
ago about a customer that,
you know,

ordered some
potentially toxic material,

which they could
have called for.

But this was certainly way
over-the-top.

I looked up to select
the right key and they
were right beside me.

It was quite surprising,

considering you can see all
around here,

and there-- generally would have
to be a vehicle or something
Somewhere...

But I just pulled up,
got out, picked the key,

and they started talking from
behind me. I thought that was
really strange.

Of course, it got much
stranger as the day went on.

[Jeremy] What got
stranger about it?

Well, just the sheer amount
of people that came.

Agency after agency.

I mean, they had computer
experts here going through,

you know, all the computer
equipment we had here,

and they had people
sectioning off the building,

labeling it in cubic meters
so they can search each one.

You know, what they were looking
for was just an order form.

So, very strange.

[Jeremy]
You've been raided two times?[Bob] Twice.

By more agencies than I can
really recall.

The FDA to the NRC,

the FBI, but they
usually come en masse.

And it's hard to
pick out who's who.

[Jeremy] So this is beryllium?Yeah.

And what is it used for again?

It's used in aerospace,
it's very lightweight.

Quite strong...

And high-temperature metal.

[Jeremy] Do you think that you were shaken down...

To some degree you're being fucked with?

[Bob]
I don't think they're just
fucking with me.

I am convinced there's
ulterior motives.

I firmly suspect
that there's a lot more to it

than they're saying.
That they're looking for

something else.

[man]
What they're supposed to do

is tie you up, put you
in the middle of the room,

have everyone watching you
so that, you know,

collaborate a story or, you
know, try to trick them
or what not.

So they just kept us all
in separate rooms.

There's bomb squad,
computer squad...

I think they had
like a biological hazard squad,

hazmat squad,
everything, the full gamut.

'Cause they had no idea
what we had in our shop

or, like, what
we're capable of,

or are we going to retaliate
or anything like that.

So, it was pretty much
the full Michigan FBI was here.

I mean, they had the van,
they had multiple cars
lined up,

you know, so...

[Jeremy] I mean, looking at Bob's life, there's always this suspicion

that there's something more
going on on shaking him down

because he had that
experience before.Yeah.

[man] Yeah, so this was
the second time
that I know of

that he's gotten raided,
so he's always had, like,
this kind of

knowledge that there's
somebody watching, no
matter what he does.

There's always somebody
watching you.

And it does have to be
related to, what, the Area
51 stuff and all that.

You know, they kind of
put him on the list.

I think they do like
toying with him and
keeping an eye on him.

But I don't believe
that it's like

they're opening up
a 30-year-old file
and they're like,

"All right, we're
going to crack down
on the Bob story.

We're going to find out
what he had, what more
information he's got."

I don't think that they're
necessarily doing that,

but I do think that there's,
like, a culture,

maybe within these agencies.
They know who this guy is.

And they'll have, you know...
They'll look for any reason
that they can

to kind of, you know,
poke him with some thorns

and make sure that he knows
who's watching him.

I believe that.

It's too coincidental
for it all to be just

some luck of the draw,
basically. Like, there's
something going on.

[Jeremy] Everybody
knows the story is

that you guys had element 115
at Los Alamos,
that's public knowledge.

Something you said
a while back.

Do you think that
what happened
had to do with that?

We are not going there.

[Jeremy]
Are they trying to shake you
down to find the 115

that you said, 30 years ago,
that you got out of the lab?

People are going to ask that.

Yeah.So let's just address that.

If you feel comfortable
addressing it...

No.

You do not feel comfortable
addressing it?

No, I don't feel comfortable
addressing it.

[Bob] You would think after
30 years, who cares
what I have to say?

I'm more convinced than ever
that the key to the story is
element 115.

If you could
get to that piece

and have it
independently analyzed,

I think it would prove beyond
all question that it came from
somewhere else.

We didn't make it.

And it would go a long way
to establishing the story
that was told by Bob Lazar

as truth, so I think
about that a lot.

I think about
the cloud chamber experiment.

I get a lot of emails
from people who say,

"Oh, God.
Where is this video?
You owe it to the world

to show this video,
cough it up."

And I tell them,
"Look, I've looked for it,

I've got all these
boxes of crap
and stuff and tape

and news clippings,
and I've looked for it
and I can't find it."

But when somebody like you
comes and talks to me
about the Bob Lazar story,

it gets the juices flowing,
you know. I can't help it,
I'm human.

And right now,
I want to go find
that tape.

I went through every tape

that Bob had in his
personal home archive

and one of those tapes on the
outside in tiny, tiny little
scribble

said, "cloud chamber."

And lo and behold,

there's about just less than
a minute of that cloud
chamber test on tape.

I have it.

[George] People have been
so pissed at me
over the years

that I can't find that
tape, or if they think I'm
hiding it on purpose.

But I've looked everywhere
for it.

And if you've found it,
that's awesome.

[Jeremy] I did. Now here's the deal in typical, you know, Bob-Lazar fashion,

there's only about
a minute of it.

However, after all these
years, 30 years, we have
some footage of it.

But it doesn't prove shit,
because it's recorded over--

I was there the night
that they did the
cloud chamber test.

I couldn't tell you what it
was, I didn't know what a
cloud chamber was.

This "beam" of light was bent.

And it was bent
because they had element 115

in as part of the experiment.

Well, that's pretty
important, that would be
huge to include in the story.

I spent time trying to
understand why
everybody was saying

this 115 being stabilized
is pseudoscience.

So I called some of
the top heavy-element
physicists on the planet

from Russia to up in San
Francisco to Washington, DC.

And I spoke with, you know,
about eight or nine,

but three in particular
who had really talked to me
in depth about it.

All of them, across the board,
said, "You cannot rule out

a stabilized version
of element 115.

In fact, that we
believe it is theorized

that in the island
of stability, that it
would and could

and probably does exist."

So their way of saying is,
"We can't rule it out."

So, all the people saying
that is pseudoscience,

what Bob said about
element 115, I
wanted to find out

is it pseudoscience?

And definitively, we cannot
rule out a stabilized form
of element 115.

I'm sorry, it is not
pseudoscience.

And after doing
this research,

you know, that argument
no longer holds water.

Makes perfect sense
that it could be stable.

And scientists have said it
for a long time.

So, of course you
can't rule it out.

Again, if you want to
disbelieve Bob,

if you want to cross
him off the list and
say he's a fraud,

then your research goes
one inch deep,

and you say element 115
as he described it,
can't exist,

and then move on.

If you want to be honest
about it and dig further
into it and understand it,

then you're going to find out
that, in fact, what Bob
says does make sense,

it can be true.

Element 115 was
what we would call the fuel

that provided the power
for the reactor to work.

[Jeremy] What happens
with gravity and 115?

Element 115 affects gravity.

Element 115 produces
its own gravitational energy.

It had a very specific
manufacturing technique.

I don't really know
how that information
came to be.

Its code name
was "LA 1000."

That's what it was
referred to off-site.

Its purpose

was supposed to be,
again, this is just
a code in deception,

was supposed to be
an advanced armor.

So, it's not a usual
material, so now we
can take it to a national lab.

This is LA 1000,
classified material,
it's a very advanced armor.

That takes care of all
the weird questions.

So, you know,
you immediately start
operating on lies.

This...

fuel

is in the form of a...

just a three-dimensional thin
triangle, little rounded edges.

It's somewhat copper in color.

You know that
reddish brownish...

The way this is manufactured
is really critical.

It's not just cut out
of a heavy sheet of material.

A cylinder of this
material is taken.

This is machined

into a cone. So this is...

The outer part is shaved off
using a lathe or something
like that,

until you have a
three-dimensional cone.

Once you have the cone...

it's sliced...

like this.

And these slices become that.

Now, even this
starting piece,

the solid cylinder,
is not even a solid cylinder.

It consists of many discs
stacked up.

And these are fused together
to produce that.

And all of these steps are
necessary to produce a
successful triangle

that makes fuel. So,
actually, you know,
if you were

to look at how this
came to be,
this would actually be

pieces of all these discs
that were cut at
unusual angles.

Now, apparently,
if you don't do all this,

that doesn't work.

Unfortunately,
that's the extent of
my knowledge on this.

This makes no sense anywhere.

But, that's what it takes
for it to operate.

Now, with the alien technology
that was present in the craft,

it takes that basis,

that extra
gravitational energy
in a small reactor

amplifies it through the
equipment there,

directs it through
the wave guides and archways

into the emitters

and allows it to
propel the craft

and manipulate
the gravity wave for
whatever use they want.

[interviewer] How can
this be true?
I don't believe a word of this.

But you expect people
to believe this?

No, I'm not going to change
anyone's mind. That's not my
intention.

I'm just relaying the
experience, the job
that I went through.

It is a fantastic thing.
It's a fantastic story.

But it's true?

It's true. These crafts
came from another...

Not just another planet, another solar system entirely.

Extremely far away.

And they're here.

[Bob]
I mean, I've been making
fireworks since I was 12.

And professional fireworks
for at least 20 years.

Fireworks aren't just fun,
they're artistic. It's like
painting the sky.

Controlling a large amount of
energy has always been
impressive.

[George]
SinceThe New York Times
story broke,

since Lou Elizondo
came forward, sending those
videos, went public,

the world is now talking
about UFOs in a more
serious vein.

I think that's a good
thing and I think it
reflects positively

on Bob Lazar's story.

And I hope that the world
will take another look at it.

[Jeremy]
That's the jet bike,
the jet car...

[Bob]
Yeah, to take, you know,
a large amount of energy

which would normally be
thought to be out of control,

to take that and harness it
and have it do what you want

has always been
impressive to me.

[George] The easy way out is to say, "He's a liar, he's making it up."

It's hard to go ahead
and accept the possibility

that he's telling the truth.

But if I did not believe it,

if I thought for a moment
that he was lying about it,

I'd be done with it.

I wouldn't still be supporting it 30 years later.

[Jeremy]
Your life has been
under a microscope.

Every word you said for
30 years recorded has
been under a microscope,

and that's affected you.

[Bob]
Yeah, of course it has.
It would affect anybody.

How has it affected you?

In the way I talk
and how much I do.

I'd rather not, you know,
in a public forum, I'd rather
just not say anything.

[Jeremy]
Why do you think people
are so obsessed

with every word that you say
about your experiences?

They're just looking for a way
to look for an inaccuracy

and to be able
to discount the whole thing.

"Oh, he said this one time,
and said it slightly
different this time.

You know, obviously,
he's making it up."

You know, that's just
the first word that
entered my mind.

You know, I don't put
that much thought into
what I'm saying.

Look, as much as
a lot of people hate it,

this stuff really happened.

I mean, if it bothers you,
that's too bad.

[Jeremy] I think that's just
hard for people to accept.
I mean, so--

Yeah, it would be, right...
I fully understand.

I would feel the same way.

I'm not sure
I would believe my story.

"Boy, there's not enough
evidence," you know,

but I couldn't
discount it either.

[George] The fact is, the people that know him best believe him the most.

I hope that one thing that
comes across in your film
is the real Bob.

Once you get to know him, it
becomes much more
plausible as a story.

He's not lying to his
mom and his wife
and all his friends.

He's not lying to the UFO
world either.

[Jeremy]
You saw alien ships?Yeah.

You worked on a gravity wave
amplification system,

trying to figure it out?

Right, a propulsion system
and a power source

that's completely
unknown to mankind.

And there's no way
human beings
could have made it?

There is no way
human beings
could have made it,

under any circumstances
in any country anywhere.
Period.

And for 30 years,
you are telling us
the truth?

You bet.

This shit happened?You got it.

[George] You know, the fact is that that raid that happened back in Michigan,

that's a very dramatic
and a very important
development.

They weren't there
looking for records

about some customer
he had a couple of years ago,

they were looking for 115.

When you bring
two dozen agents
and investigators

and crime lab analysts,

you can bring people to
duplicate the whole
computer and all that stuff,

they're looking
for something else.

They're sure as hell are not
looking for a minor receipt.

People may not believe
that 115 is real,
but somebody does,

'cause that's what they
came to look for.

You know, if you want to
cross it off and you don't
want to believe it, fine.

I don't care anymore
whether people
believe it or not.

But Bob's telling the truth.

And once you realize that, it changes everything for you.

It changed everything for me.

[narrator] To crack a life
open at its seams,

to dissect and examine its
contents is unnerving.

Like the reading of omens
by viewing the entrails.

We all tell our own stories.

And sometimes we
even believe them.

And sometimes,

we tell them one last time.

If you don't believe it,
that's your problem.

What you do with
that is up to you.

[upbeat music playing]

Well, I am telling the truth.

I've tried to prove that.
What's going on up there

could be the most important
event in history.

You're talking about contact,
physical contact

and proof from another system,
another planet,
another intelligence.

That's got to be the biggest
event in history. Period.

[interviewer] And it's real.It's real and it's there.

And I had an extremely
small part in it,

but I'm convinced that what I
saw is absolute proof of that.

There is no way we could have
created those systems.

There's no way we could have
made the discs,
the power supplies,

anything to go with it.

Lazar says he has no
intention of going on any
UFO lecture circuit.

He's not looking to do
any additional interviews.

In fact, he wasn't too crazy
about doing this one.

He did it after certain
unfavorable things

started happening
in his life.

And he did it because
he feels that whoever
is running the show

up at S4 is perpetrating
a fraud on the
American people

and on the
scientific community.

We intend to have
much more
about this story,

about the operation up there
on Monday and beyond.

This is by no means
the end of this series
of reports.

In fact, on Monday,
including in our story there,

supporting testimony from
other people who say they
have knowledge

of the flying discs
at the test site

and information from people
who know Lazar very well

and insist
his story is true.

Even if they have
these flying saucers, George,

it seems like it would be
really hard to keep it
so secret.

Well, yeah, it would
seem that way.

Except for as Lazar
asked his superiors up there,

and they say it's the easiest
secret in the world to keep.

It's leaked out many times
before and nobody believes it.

But what's the Navy saying
about all of this?

Well, of course,
the Navy is supposed to
have been his employer,

and we have... some
fairly pointed
questions to them.

Of course, number one,
it may not be the Navy at all.

Information is so
compartmentalized
up there,

no one is exactly sure
who is in charge.

We have put the questions
to several Navy departments,

the answers, thus far,
have been unsatisfactory.

We've applied for more
information through the
Freedom of Information Act.

And that information will be
revealed on Monday as well.

You believe his story,
don't you?

Yeah, I do. Yeah, I got to
know him pretty well over
the last couple of months,

and I believe he's
telling the truth.

Fascinating stuff.Thanks, George.