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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:02:11,041 --> 00:02:13,508 They have not yet eaten. Do you want to see them eat? 2 00:02:14,611 --> 00:02:16,640 I'm a goldfish. 3 00:02:30,291 --> 00:02:35,181 You have enough food. Otherwise, they eat each other. 4 00:02:57,475 --> 00:03:00,662 This was a small disaster. 5 00:03:00,842 --> 00:03:05,608 A disaster is actually an incident 6 00:03:05,632 --> 00:03:09,874 that you are existing sources wegvaagt. 7 00:03:10,538 --> 00:03:16,678 Two workers in a car accident can be a disaster for a small company. 8 00:03:17,404 --> 00:03:26,133 It can also three hundred of the dead are in a collision. 9 00:03:27,836 --> 00:03:32,086 A disaster varies per person and the circumstances. 10 00:03:32,110 --> 00:03:36,031 For us, this was then a disaster. 11 00:03:37,875 --> 00:03:44,296 Everybody thinks that you are heroic when it goes wrong. 12 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:48,148 That's what we hope. In the police academy cherish your dream. 13 00:03:48,172 --> 00:03:53,375 You challenge, if someone murdered or raped, takes the lead and becomes a hero. 14 00:03:53,476 --> 00:03:57,961 If a dangerous situation occurs, the error or someone in charge should take, 15 00:03:57,986 --> 00:04:00,289 that you have the courage to take matters in our hands. 16 00:04:00,820 --> 00:04:06,879 Imagine that you are in such a situation, then you still would not know how you will respond. 17 00:04:06,904 --> 00:04:08,732 You hope that you will respond. 18 00:04:09,630 --> 00:04:12,739 In the church, " my dad said always this. 19 00:04:12,763 --> 00:04:15,794 Courage is fear that up to God prayers. 20 00:04:31,566 --> 00:04:33,441 I'll show you what we do have. 21 00:04:35,886 --> 00:04:37,362 Do you have some new friends? 22 00:04:44,283 --> 00:04:47,353 This we have in stock. 23 00:04:48,439 --> 00:04:50,821 It is a great garbage can with a lid. 24 00:04:59,024 --> 00:05:02,242 Thank you very much. <- - >- Sorry. 25 00:05:07,053 --> 00:05:10,138 In that time, everything was possible. 26 00:05:10,568 --> 00:05:16,380 There are even sold children drugs. Twelve - and dertienjarigen. 27 00:05:16,739 --> 00:05:19,348 There was a large cocaïneprobleem. 28 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:28,355 I also used, which made it difficult. 29 00:05:28,527 --> 00:05:33,793 There was not so much in our building, but in the environment. 30 00:06:00,305 --> 00:06:07,693 You look good. According to grandma, you had lost so much weight, but you look fit. 31 00:06:07,718 --> 00:06:11,843 I survive on food from McDonald's. 32 00:06:11,867 --> 00:06:14,648 That is easier than going to a restaurant. 33 00:06:15,305 --> 00:06:20,922 It is too expensive, so we will be home more often to eat. 34 00:06:24,866 --> 00:06:29,959 I don't think about someone's life or how that person was, 35 00:06:29,984 --> 00:06:37,581 but if I after the autopsy with the family talk and their more info provide, 36 00:06:38,964 --> 00:06:43,761 then, I express my condolences to the family. 37 00:06:46,307 --> 00:06:49,346 I would also say how very sad I find it that them this happened. 38 00:06:51,884 --> 00:06:54,985 I pieker not about every case. 39 00:06:55,890 --> 00:07:00,141 I pieker also not about the life of the victim after an autopsy. 40 00:07:01,218 --> 00:07:05,405 I was involved... There was me shot. 41 00:07:05,429 --> 00:07:09,124 They wondered why I didn't terugschoot, but I was looking for just coverage. 42 00:07:10,601 --> 00:07:15,718 I was involved in a lot of situations where one on me lap. 43 00:07:18,523 --> 00:07:21,843 That has me shaken up. 44 00:07:21,867 --> 00:07:26,898 I was a burly guy and sportte intensive at the university. 45 00:07:26,922 --> 00:07:32,546 I was not vechtjas. Due to my height challenged me. 46 00:07:32,882 --> 00:07:37,647 We were usually on the stairs in the backyard. 47 00:07:37,671 --> 00:07:42,225 Our barbecue was there and we cooked there. 48 00:07:42,249 --> 00:07:46,702 We sat comfortably in the backyard and then he walked over. 49 00:07:49,721 --> 00:07:54,681 One day he wanted to a garbage bag buitenzetten. 50 00:07:54,876 --> 00:07:56,689 I spoke to him. 51 00:07:57,189 --> 00:08:01,540 We had a short conversation about how he went and how long he already was here. 52 00:08:01,564 --> 00:08:04,907 Why you'll come to all the blacks live? 53 00:08:06,735 --> 00:08:10,445 It was close to his work. And that's why he had moved. 54 00:08:12,585 --> 00:08:17,303 He was very friendly, but also very introverted. 55 00:08:17,788 --> 00:08:21,905 He had not many friends in the building, 56 00:08:21,929 --> 00:08:24,350 but he spoke to me, always. 57 00:09:00,975 --> 00:09:02,796 How's it going? <- - >- Good. 58 00:09:02,820 --> 00:09:05,482 I am Andy. <- - >- Brian. 59 00:09:05,506 --> 00:09:08,482 I'm Jeff. <- - >- We are Eye In The Sky. 60 00:09:08,506 --> 00:09:10,263 We come for the quote. 61 00:09:13,334 --> 00:09:18,615 It works like this. I have a few pamphlets of cameras. 62 00:09:19,568 --> 00:09:23,006 Brian measure everything and I'll give you a cost estimate. 63 00:09:25,475 --> 00:09:27,475 Which rooms do you want to protect? 64 00:09:32,333 --> 00:09:35,958 This is the only space. <- - >- You can set multiple cameras to choose. 65 00:09:35,983 --> 00:09:42,287 Ordinary cameras, hidden cameras, wireless cameras, bodycams. 66 00:09:42,311 --> 00:09:46,768 Here you can see the difference between the 2 cameras. This is a list with data. 67 00:09:47,971 --> 00:09:55,306 I was cooking and gave him a sandwich to work. 68 00:09:55,330 --> 00:10:00,298 Sometimes I went with him, and drank a beer with him. 69 00:10:01,416 --> 00:10:04,595 There was no problem. In the beginning, anyway. 70 00:10:07,731 --> 00:10:11,152 There fell to me a few trifles. For example, a suitcase. 71 00:10:11,980 --> 00:10:17,995 That he had of his grandmother and he left with a taxi to there. 72 00:10:18,019 --> 00:10:21,259 It was a case of about 1,83 metres. 73 00:10:21,284 --> 00:10:25,057 He had trouble getting them to come inside, 74 00:10:25,082 --> 00:10:28,175 so I had my door open so that he could run. 75 00:10:28,199 --> 00:10:31,878 He was benign compared to others. 76 00:10:31,903 --> 00:10:35,488 What he had, he shared with you. 77 00:10:44,198 --> 00:10:50,346 It was a night with high humidity. It was really sticky again. 78 00:10:50,556 --> 00:10:54,939 When we in the apartment arrived, we stood in the hall. 79 00:10:55,259 --> 00:11:00,571 It was a hall with lots of glass with a staircase and lift to the three floors. 80 00:11:00,595 --> 00:11:05,352 If you got, smoke, you'll immediately notice the rotten smell of death. 81 00:11:06,477 --> 00:11:09,852 So I will describe the death. On the basis of the smell. 82 00:11:09,876 --> 00:11:12,313 You have perhaps already rotting animals smelled, 83 00:11:12,338 --> 00:11:16,634 but a corpse that's been there for a while, has a unique scent 84 00:11:16,658 --> 00:11:21,374 that I only with coffee can compare, because I am a coffee drinker. 85 00:11:21,399 --> 00:11:27,000 If you like the smell of coffee, but then to an island is brought in, 86 00:11:27,305 --> 00:11:30,351 thirty to sixty days, where no coffee is. 87 00:11:30,375 --> 00:11:34,679 Then, when you return, and coffee smells, you will recognize immediately the smell of coffee. 88 00:11:34,703 --> 00:11:39,343 It jumps you immediately to the inside. So it goes with me too at the smell of death. 89 00:11:40,952 --> 00:11:45,677 We lay in bed to sleep, because my husband had in the morning to go to work. 90 00:11:45,702 --> 00:11:52,444 He left around six o'clock. It was after eleven o'clock, and Jeff was there. 91 00:11:53,053 --> 00:11:55,053 There was someone at his home. 92 00:11:55,452 --> 00:12:00,327 You could hear the music, but his door was open. 93 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,632 The police came and I heard them on my door to talk. 94 00:12:04,656 --> 00:12:08,397 An agent said handcuffs to take. 95 00:12:08,498 --> 00:12:10,498 They were with him on the wrestling. 96 00:12:10,522 --> 00:12:16,186 He cried like a wild beast. Something I had never heard. 97 00:12:17,171 --> 00:12:20,835 It was a loud and inhumane screech. 98 00:12:20,859 --> 00:12:26,624 I jumped in my bed with my man and pulled the sheets over my head. 99 00:12:26,648 --> 00:12:30,976 I said that I didn't know what was going on, but Jeff had to do. 100 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,335 He said that the police had to call, so I said that was already present. 101 00:14:31,854 --> 00:14:33,916 You can get the case open? I have luggage. 102 00:14:33,941 --> 00:14:35,323 Of course. <- - >- Thank You. 103 00:14:42,283 --> 00:14:44,697 Do I need help? <- - >- That is not necessary. 104 00:15:00,718 --> 00:15:02,585 How goes it with you? <- - >- Good. 105 00:15:02,756 --> 00:15:05,382 Brings me to the Oxford apartments? 106 00:15:09,363 --> 00:15:16,003 I remember the stench of the gas formaldehyde. 107 00:15:16,028 --> 00:15:20,059 You could also have a preservative smell. 108 00:15:20,301 --> 00:15:22,809 It was something misselijkmakends and death. 109 00:15:22,833 --> 00:15:26,887 I remember that I was in the corridor stood, and the agent looked at. 110 00:15:26,911 --> 00:15:33,207 We stood there together and then there was a gust of wind. 111 00:15:34,958 --> 00:15:38,535 That blew me over and I fell on my knees. 112 00:15:39,261 --> 00:15:41,745 He began to give. 113 00:15:42,003 --> 00:15:44,878 I saw a fellow police officer. 114 00:15:44,902 --> 00:15:50,581 When I came to him stepped, I saw that his uniform crumpled. 115 00:15:50,605 --> 00:15:53,455 He was sweating like an ox and was wet. 116 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:59,082 His shirt and tie were loose. 117 00:15:59,106 --> 00:16:02,449 His hair was wild and he was sweating very hard. 118 00:16:02,473 --> 00:16:06,160 His eyes were wide widened. 119 00:16:06,184 --> 00:16:10,268 Very atypical for an agent. I said, 'Ralph, what is the matter?' 120 00:16:10,293 --> 00:16:13,574 He replied, " Go in the fridge look." 121 00:16:28,978 --> 00:16:30,861 You may put your chin on this place. 122 00:16:42,736 --> 00:16:44,204 Look to the light. 123 00:16:48,009 --> 00:16:52,454 Where do you work currently? <- - >- In a chocolate factory. 124 00:16:57,821 --> 00:17:01,742 When I detective was, I was already nine years agent. 125 00:17:01,766 --> 00:17:04,967 I already had a lot of terrible things seen. 126 00:17:04,992 --> 00:17:10,952 I knew that the suspect was already arrested and cuffed. 127 00:17:11,202 --> 00:17:15,022 There were two armed policemen with me. 128 00:17:15,046 --> 00:17:18,350 My colleague and I were also armed, 129 00:17:18,701 --> 00:17:21,264 so I knew that I was not in danger. 130 00:17:23,139 --> 00:17:29,279 Sometimes researchers or the police called 131 00:17:29,303 --> 00:17:37,892 to parts of the body, or dissolved meat to identify and investigate, 132 00:17:37,917 --> 00:17:41,519 that both human or non-human. 133 00:17:41,543 --> 00:17:47,230 Usually, the non-human. 134 00:17:47,551 --> 00:17:52,800 Often it is so far dissolved, so that the human looks. 135 00:17:52,941 --> 00:17:56,370 For example, if hunters have a bear kill. 136 00:17:56,643 --> 00:18:06,625 The legs and claws have nearly the same skeletal structure as humans. 137 00:18:06,650 --> 00:18:11,110 They are often wrong interpreted. 138 00:18:11,595 --> 00:18:16,835 The refrigerator was almost empty. There was only a cardboard box. 139 00:18:16,860 --> 00:18:25,561 In that cardboard box was the severed head of an Afro-American man. 140 00:18:25,585 --> 00:18:28,817 The eyes and mouth were widened. 141 00:18:28,989 --> 00:18:33,387 Behind it stood a box of baking soda from Arm & Hammer open. 142 00:18:33,411 --> 00:18:36,278 My mother did that for a fresh smell in the refrigerator. 143 00:18:36,302 --> 00:18:40,497 In the door that I opened, were the sauces. 144 00:18:40,521 --> 00:18:43,606 Mustard, ketchup, chili sauce. 145 00:18:43,942 --> 00:18:51,278 From head to toe screamed at my body to immediately go away. 146 00:18:52,419 --> 00:18:55,622 Here must be a supervisor to recover. This is my virtual hat to the top. 147 00:18:59,318 --> 00:19:02,247 Within five minutes came lieutenant Hurell. 148 00:19:02,271 --> 00:19:06,403 When he was the head in the fridge and saw backwards people moved, 149 00:19:06,497 --> 00:19:10,192 he looked at me and said, " Pat, take him to the office.' 150 00:19:10,708 --> 00:19:14,091 "Stay with him and nobody is allowed to talk to him.' 151 00:19:14,115 --> 00:19:19,138 'District, not of his side.' "If he comes to the toilet, you help him." 152 00:19:19,232 --> 00:19:23,037 'Stay with him and make sure that no one him like." 153 00:19:55,645 --> 00:19:59,988 I thought that nobody had found, and that Jeff it framed. 154 00:20:00,551 --> 00:20:05,379 It was said that someone at his home was murdered. 155 00:20:05,605 --> 00:20:08,128 I didn't think Jeff something done wrong. 156 00:20:51,179 --> 00:20:53,546 We crossed him in the distant interrogation room. 157 00:20:53,570 --> 00:20:58,905 My interrogation room was 3 to 3.5 metres with an iron table and two chairs. 158 00:20:59,467 --> 00:21:03,506 The first thing he said was: 'You go to me, not let you clobber?' 159 00:21:04,248 --> 00:21:08,482 I said, " No, no one will you a flogging.' 160 00:21:08,507 --> 00:21:11,257 'Only I will have to speak to you.' 161 00:21:11,281 --> 00:21:17,632 'Before we start, I go get coffee.' 'Do you want coffee or a cigarette?' 162 00:21:17,913 --> 00:21:21,802 He replied, " Like to have both.' 163 00:21:21,826 --> 00:21:27,349 His apartment had one bedroom and was very comfortable. 164 00:21:27,373 --> 00:21:34,240 Great police officers took pictures, did research and gathered evidence. 165 00:21:34,264 --> 00:21:37,545 You could be difficult to maneuver in the apartment. 166 00:21:39,217 --> 00:21:44,294 It was a complete chaos. There were everywhere agents. 167 00:21:44,319 --> 00:21:47,069 There were everywhere people, and there were a lot of cameras. 168 00:21:47,264 --> 00:21:51,756 Everyone stepped outside with the camera operators to talk to. 169 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,787 Everyone thought: 'I want to be on tv." 170 00:21:54,811 --> 00:22:00,678 I said: 'I do not go out." "We don't know what's going on.' 171 00:22:01,795 --> 00:22:05,435 Sometimes you come to a crime scene, and there are jokes made. 172 00:22:05,537 --> 00:22:08,685 They talk about basketball games 173 00:22:08,709 --> 00:22:12,138 or about what that weekend is going to do. 174 00:22:12,568 --> 00:22:13,966 This one was different. 175 00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:21,193 They were excited by what they had seen 176 00:22:21,217 --> 00:22:23,217 and how it felt. 177 00:22:23,522 --> 00:22:26,748 It was very quiet. 178 00:22:31,341 --> 00:22:34,606 I raised my hand and said: 'My name is Pat Kennedy.' 179 00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:38,856 "I'll go with you to talk about the head in the fridge.' 180 00:22:42,176 --> 00:22:49,801 At that time he said to me: 'I can be better not to speak to you.' 181 00:22:50,919 --> 00:22:53,035 I found that very strange. 182 00:22:53,059 --> 00:22:58,184 Some say simply that they have nothing to lose want. 183 00:22:59,738 --> 00:23:03,965 Who wants to confess before, there is reports. 184 00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:09,990 Usually they say just that they are a lawyer want. 185 00:23:10,014 --> 00:23:12,623 Never had someone so expressed. 186 00:23:12,647 --> 00:23:16,699 He was polite and businesslike. He mastered the English language well. 187 00:23:16,724 --> 00:23:20,388 "I can be better not to speak to you.' 188 00:23:23,807 --> 00:23:25,807 That is old-fashioned. 189 00:23:25,831 --> 00:23:30,651 When I was there, moved, came the heavy plate immediately los. 190 00:23:30,995 --> 00:23:34,370 They will just silicone in spray. 191 00:23:45,347 --> 00:23:48,057 How's it going? - I come, my barrel get. 192 00:23:48,752 --> 00:23:50,752 Well, is your car here? 193 00:23:53,314 --> 00:23:54,798 Are you going as? 194 00:23:56,744 --> 00:23:59,087 Well then, please. 195 00:24:04,189 --> 00:24:05,439 Thank you. 196 00:24:55,981 --> 00:24:59,333 He asked me what would happen if he is not with me talking. 197 00:25:00,098 --> 00:25:05,808 I explained that I was stilted from how our registration process happened. 198 00:25:05,832 --> 00:25:11,425 I explained and he nodded. He knew the registration process clearly. 199 00:25:11,449 --> 00:25:15,050 He asked then whether he is a private cell could get. 200 00:25:16,292 --> 00:25:20,274 When he asked, I knew that he the registration process knew. 201 00:25:20,299 --> 00:25:25,158 In the police station of Milwaukee, you got your own cell, 202 00:25:25,182 --> 00:25:28,830 if you are complete insane and not in others familiar could be. 203 00:25:29,408 --> 00:25:34,751 Or if you are underage, you were separated, because for them we had no place. 204 00:25:36,556 --> 00:25:40,399 Otherwise, you came to the common cell, what a filthy place it was. 205 00:25:40,423 --> 00:25:42,790 It stank and it was packed. 206 00:25:42,814 --> 00:25:46,243 You could have both next to a murderer as a drunk driver sit. 207 00:25:47,751 --> 00:25:51,172 I noticed that he was afraid of the common cell. 208 00:25:52,226 --> 00:25:55,718 I said that it was a busy evening. 209 00:25:55,742 --> 00:26:00,062 "Every cell is full and the common cell at all.' 210 00:26:00,866 --> 00:26:06,116 "You can stay here and talk with me," He had already coffee and a cigarette. 211 00:26:06,140 --> 00:26:09,718 "or you can have it." 212 00:26:09,742 --> 00:26:14,638 There was a portable freezer at the front. 213 00:26:14,694 --> 00:26:19,179 He was exactly out of place in that space. 214 00:26:20,101 --> 00:26:24,202 Especially in such a small apartment. 215 00:26:24,405 --> 00:26:31,725 We have long doubted whether we would open it and view its contents. 216 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,429 We did not expect, but then when we had opened, 217 00:26:36,453 --> 00:26:39,617 we saw a head. 218 00:26:39,641 --> 00:26:44,266 Then, things became very serious for us. 219 00:26:45,704 --> 00:26:51,085 You want them not to be comfortable, so you take a position in. 220 00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:54,483 You will be close enough for intimate contact, 221 00:26:54,508 --> 00:26:57,133 but keep a distance so they are not threatened. 222 00:27:00,056 --> 00:27:05,336 When I spoke with him, I said that about other things could talk. 223 00:27:06,829 --> 00:27:12,711 From then on, we have much discussed. 224 00:27:12,735 --> 00:27:16,266 We discussed first job at the chocolate factory 225 00:27:16,290 --> 00:27:20,281 and why he 25th street as a base chose. 226 00:27:20,305 --> 00:27:24,656 There was a bus stop that he could take and was so quick at his work. 227 00:27:24,906 --> 00:27:28,492 He lived there because it was affordable. 228 00:27:28,516 --> 00:27:33,274 He said that he wants his money rather spent on his hobbies. 229 00:27:33,462 --> 00:27:37,258 Such as gay bars. He ate mostly at the restaurant. 230 00:27:37,445 --> 00:27:39,680 We also talked a lot about religion. 231 00:27:39,704 --> 00:27:43,704 I am catholic and have five years of seminars followed. 232 00:27:44,259 --> 00:27:49,899 I know something about martin Luther and the lutheranisme and he also. 233 00:27:49,923 --> 00:27:55,758 We also discussed whether God exists and whether there is a god. 234 00:27:56,984 --> 00:28:02,899 From that conversation about God, showed that he was in a higher power is believed in. 235 00:28:03,125 --> 00:28:08,712 He did not know whether it is God or the devil, but that there is something more powerful as he was. 236 00:28:09,047 --> 00:28:14,110 So it became alcoholism. 237 00:28:14,220 --> 00:28:18,118 I noticed that he was drunk. 238 00:28:18,805 --> 00:28:25,344 Occasionally bazelde he suddenly: 'it was Unbelievable that me this happens to.' 239 00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:28,789 I asked what he meant: "I can't believe I got caught." 240 00:28:29,414 --> 00:28:33,555 I said, 'What had you expected?' He said: 'I was drunk.' 241 00:28:33,579 --> 00:28:37,016 "I lost control and was drunk, because otherwise I would't be here.' 242 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,344 He told me what had happened, but referring always to the alcohol. 243 00:28:42,577 --> 00:28:47,023 I gave myself to ever alcohol problems to have had. 244 00:28:47,047 --> 00:28:53,390 I told him that the head in the fridge and the alcohol with each other. 245 00:29:00,180 --> 00:29:03,836 'If you are really an alcoholic, is that if illness is recognized.' 246 00:29:05,070 --> 00:29:10,961 Then he lifted a corner of the veil: 'My deeds are not good to talk.' 247 00:29:10,985 --> 00:29:13,516 He did not say what he had done, but gave little hints. 248 00:29:13,540 --> 00:29:18,086 I felt that he groaned and began to confess. 249 00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:21,281 Should it be settled? 250 00:29:22,836 --> 00:29:24,836 Can I have a box? 251 00:29:25,540 --> 00:29:30,868 Last time I had a bag, but that broke in the bus. 252 00:29:31,961 --> 00:29:35,000 The bottles were empty in the bus. 253 00:29:35,626 --> 00:29:39,024 Can I do this once a box get? - I will be alone. 254 00:30:16,915 --> 00:30:18,369 Can I have a cheque to write? 255 00:30:28,572 --> 00:30:29,853 $5,39. 256 00:30:31,009 --> 00:30:36,813 They took stuff out of his apartment and put them in the hallway. 257 00:30:37,532 --> 00:30:39,821 Boxes for office supplies. 258 00:30:40,110 --> 00:30:45,086 Ten, twenty, fifty... 259 00:30:46,063 --> 00:30:51,813 Eventually, there were sixty. They would all pile up them on each other in the hallway. 260 00:30:52,165 --> 00:30:55,985 If I koffieruimte in and walked out, 261 00:30:56,009 --> 00:31:00,032 asked the lieutenant each time he said something. 262 00:31:00,056 --> 00:31:03,282 "No, we have other things to discuss.' 263 00:31:03,790 --> 00:31:05,727 "He asked a lawyer?' - 'No, not yet.' 264 00:31:05,837 --> 00:31:10,587 I went back inside and eventually, after two hours, 265 00:31:10,611 --> 00:31:13,689 knocked the lieutenant to the door and asked if he could speak. 266 00:31:13,713 --> 00:31:16,392 He pulled me out, and I asked: 'What is the matter?' 267 00:31:16,986 --> 00:31:21,525 We investigate that large, sealed barrel in his bedroom. 268 00:31:21,549 --> 00:31:28,422 There are boxes with hydrochloric acid, flammable, dangerous, and attention. 269 00:31:28,447 --> 00:31:32,673 There are cables along the wall of all his electrical devices. 270 00:31:33,463 --> 00:31:38,665 The forensic team feared that a fall is. 271 00:31:38,689 --> 00:31:43,165 Or that something will explode if they have something to oppose. 272 00:31:43,290 --> 00:31:48,110 I can best describe it: we were of the museum to dismantle. 273 00:31:48,524 --> 00:31:51,266 When we were in the hallway got 274 00:31:51,555 --> 00:31:58,625 we found in a small box cooking pot, stainless steel. 275 00:31:58,828 --> 00:32:03,016 When we looked, we saw hands 276 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:09,290 and testicles that is dried. 277 00:32:09,314 --> 00:32:11,673 They don't want to move before you have asked. 278 00:32:11,697 --> 00:32:14,509 I went inside and spoke to him and said, " Jeff...' 279 00:32:16,063 --> 00:32:18,219 Our forensic team is in your apartment. 280 00:32:18,243 --> 00:32:25,219 They fear the large barrel, the boxes of hydrochloric acid, flammable, and dangerous. 281 00:32:25,243 --> 00:32:28,532 They see that all the electrical devices in the electrical outlet. 282 00:32:28,751 --> 00:32:34,407 Suddenly, you saw the realization: "you Are my home really looking for?' 283 00:32:35,399 --> 00:32:39,485 I said, " We will anyway do, Jeff.' 284 00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:43,891 I said: 'of Course, there is a murder happened." "We'll search everything.' 285 00:32:45,172 --> 00:32:51,492 We found three skulls that sprayed with dark gray paint. 286 00:32:54,343 --> 00:32:59,733 I was impressed by how professional they looked. 287 00:32:59,928 --> 00:33:06,108 I found it hard to grasp that the real skulls were, because they looked not so. 288 00:33:07,858 --> 00:33:15,459 My assistant, Dr Taggits, took his pocket knife and scraped some paint off. 289 00:33:15,585 --> 00:33:19,928 Then we saw the teeth really tooth enamel. 290 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:26,169 Then I realized that we have three bodies, extra,had, 291 00:33:26,193 --> 00:33:29,200 because the were skulls of people. 292 00:33:31,229 --> 00:33:37,126 I could not believe that he is someone else, something promising. 293 00:33:37,151 --> 00:33:40,932 They pulled more and more stuff to the outside. What was in those pots? 294 00:33:41,565 --> 00:33:43,994 I asked. 295 00:33:44,221 --> 00:33:48,486 They told me that there is a pot with penises. 296 00:33:48,931 --> 00:33:54,024 There were also boxes with penises. 297 00:33:55,696 --> 00:33:59,554 There were many photos of people. 298 00:34:00,983 --> 00:34:04,351 The were bodies of dead people. 299 00:34:07,616 --> 00:34:11,553 A typical moordondervraging takes about 3.5 hours, 300 00:34:11,578 --> 00:34:15,045 for them to confessions pass. We were three hours. 301 00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:17,780 We had already been three hours and ten minutes of talk. 302 00:34:18,014 --> 00:34:23,670 He said that we all would discover. 303 00:34:23,991 --> 00:34:27,944 'It doesn't matter.' "I may as well tell you.' 304 00:34:28,733 --> 00:34:30,561 I thought that was good. 305 00:34:31,451 --> 00:34:34,911 I took pen and paper and began to write. 306 00:34:34,935 --> 00:34:39,302 He said: 'Pat, if I do my actions tell,' 307 00:34:40,536 --> 00:34:42,685 'you will hate me.' 308 00:34:45,052 --> 00:34:49,622 "I have just seen.' "Your deeds will not change that.' 309 00:34:49,646 --> 00:34:51,911 I said that I have many murderers had spoken. 310 00:34:51,935 --> 00:34:58,052 "I judge by the way no one.' "We talked about God, and I condemn you not." 311 00:34:58,076 --> 00:35:01,982 'That's not the point.' "I am here in order to fix this problem.' 312 00:35:02,006 --> 00:35:05,879 He said: "If I'm telling you this, you will be famous.' 313 00:35:21,630 --> 00:35:26,450 Come later along. Then you get no problems. 314 00:35:27,536 --> 00:35:29,403 Thank you. <- - >- Bye bye. 315 00:35:42,637 --> 00:35:48,121 He said that he is just as good in the beginning and could start if he would confess. 316 00:35:48,145 --> 00:35:50,551 I took my pen to write. 317 00:35:50,575 --> 00:35:56,575 When he told about his first murder thirteen years earlier, in Bath, Ohio. 318 00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:58,075 When he was eighteen. 319 00:35:58,911 --> 00:36:00,520 I put my pen down. 320 00:36:00,544 --> 00:36:05,036 Then he told about Ohio State, what he already had. 321 00:36:05,192 --> 00:36:11,402 When he hither moved, he made a second victim in the Ambassador Hotel. 322 00:36:11,426 --> 00:36:14,269 That he had drugged and beaten to death, but that he remembered no more. 323 00:36:15,824 --> 00:36:21,566 Then he had about two or three other victims. 324 00:36:22,254 --> 00:36:25,644 I wrote nothing, because thought it was bullshit. 325 00:36:25,668 --> 00:36:28,902 I thought he really was crazy. 326 00:36:30,402 --> 00:36:34,245 He had still said nothing about the head in the fridge, which to me only, I was interested in. 327 00:36:37,008 --> 00:36:40,773 Two, three, seven... 328 00:36:40,944 --> 00:36:45,084 We had seven skulls and five skeletons. 329 00:36:50,733 --> 00:36:54,998 Also severed hands and photos. 330 00:36:55,373 --> 00:37:00,662 I went again to get coffee and he asked again: 'Pat confesses he been on?' 331 00:37:00,686 --> 00:37:06,709 I said: 'Yes, he talks, but he says three or four people to have killed.' 332 00:37:06,733 --> 00:37:11,787 "He said nothing about the head in the fridge.' "I think he's crazy and lying.' 333 00:37:12,045 --> 00:37:14,693 Then said the lieutenant: "it's not, Pat.' 334 00:37:14,717 --> 00:37:19,849 Mike has called. They had six heads, but also body parts and penises. 335 00:37:19,873 --> 00:37:23,904 I said, 'What?' He said that there are multiple victims were. 336 00:37:25,341 --> 00:37:28,201 I went with a different setup inside. 337 00:37:28,225 --> 00:37:33,217 I took my pen and said, " Let's start again with the Bath, Ohio.' 338 00:37:34,616 --> 00:37:36,170 How's it going? <- - >- Good. 339 00:37:36,561 --> 00:37:40,358 Can I have a bottle of rum? That cheap there. 340 00:37:41,139 --> 00:37:43,724 This? <- - >- Yes, thank you. 341 00:37:45,348 --> 00:37:46,653 Is that all? 342 00:37:50,138 --> 00:37:52,067 $10,57. <- - >- Can I have a cheque to write? 343 00:37:52,091 --> 00:37:53,325 Yes, no problem. 344 00:37:54,927 --> 00:37:56,223 How's it going? <- - >- Good. 345 00:37:57,496 --> 00:38:00,090 We want to book a room. <- - >- Single or double room? 346 00:38:01,745 --> 00:38:04,791 Double or twin room. <- - >- That is more than $38,15. 347 00:38:04,815 --> 00:38:06,736 Is it for one night? <- - >- Yes. 348 00:38:11,885 --> 00:38:13,564 Have you been here before? 349 00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:18,345 Ever once, when I was thirteen years old. 350 00:38:18,845 --> 00:38:22,576 Remained you went to sleep? <- - >- Think for a Moment. 351 00:38:22,601 --> 00:38:28,468 I think so. My parents did that sometimes. 352 00:38:29,561 --> 00:38:33,451 I've only just eaten. <- - >- Here demeanor. 353 00:38:43,654 --> 00:38:49,661 There was a large, round barrel in the corner. 354 00:38:49,841 --> 00:38:53,692 When we moved, klutste it back and forth. 355 00:38:53,716 --> 00:38:57,216 There was a liquid in, but we didn't know what. 356 00:38:58,146 --> 00:39:01,677 I wanted that spot is not open. 357 00:39:02,458 --> 00:39:07,114 The self transport bore me worry. 358 00:39:08,004 --> 00:39:13,464 I saw us already accidentally dropped, or an entire reportage on tv. 359 00:39:14,393 --> 00:39:20,486 Evidence from the crime scene, the move causes us always ensure. 360 00:39:20,510 --> 00:39:23,252 That we should be careful to address. 361 00:39:23,486 --> 00:39:29,415 We can the body does not tarnish, drop, or out of our hands, let it slide. 362 00:39:29,962 --> 00:39:33,790 I focused on the agent and said: 363 00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:37,891 "Call Hazmat.' He said that we had not. 364 00:39:38,086 --> 00:39:42,641 We hire them in. I said that we needed there. 365 00:39:42,696 --> 00:39:48,008 It was two young guys. Twentysomethings. 366 00:39:48,032 --> 00:39:53,336 They seemed unprepared on what to expect, 367 00:39:53,361 --> 00:39:57,842 but bleaching is a sight to behold, to know, and they have done a good job. 368 00:39:57,867 --> 00:40:02,242 They had clearly not expected to be in something to get involved. 369 00:40:04,991 --> 00:40:06,389 Lieutenant, was the raft? 370 00:40:06,413 --> 00:40:11,928 We are investigating a murder in an apartment in 25th street. 371 00:40:11,952 --> 00:40:16,764 We have gathered evidence with the help of the research team. 372 00:40:18,561 --> 00:40:21,490 There is one suspect arrested. 373 00:40:21,865 --> 00:40:25,911 The chances are that there will still be murders recover. 374 00:40:26,427 --> 00:40:30,208 We chatted until half past eleven in the morning. 375 00:40:30,232 --> 00:40:36,200 When he had been fifteen victims no. 376 00:40:39,036 --> 00:40:42,563 I tried to understand what was going on. 377 00:40:42,891 --> 00:40:44,891 I could hardly contain. 378 00:40:44,915 --> 00:40:51,930 How could he do all this here to do? 379 00:40:52,711 --> 00:41:00,940 Under our noses at all those people. Neighbors, the elderly... 380 00:41:01,143 --> 00:41:04,518 People if I were friends with you. 381 00:41:04,815 --> 00:41:12,720 You sat there, cut people to pieces and ate parts of the body. 382 00:41:13,274 --> 00:41:16,289 I have a roll of you eaten. 383 00:41:16,313 --> 00:41:19,773 I ate maybe parts of the body. 384 00:41:19,797 --> 00:41:22,883 How dare you give me this to do? 385 00:41:52,508 --> 00:41:57,085 The police of Wisconsin is investigating a startling discovery in Milwaukee. 386 00:41:57,110 --> 00:42:01,461 They found skulls in the fridge and body parts in cupboards. 387 00:42:01,485 --> 00:42:05,047 A man who was attacked with a butcher knife, led the police there. 388 00:42:05,071 --> 00:42:08,149 He killed as possible, eighteen men. 389 00:42:14,586 --> 00:42:16,761 How many persons were there in your party? 390 00:42:21,987 --> 00:42:27,260 Do you want a room for smokers or not? 391 00:42:36,032 --> 00:42:37,617 What is your last name? 392 00:42:40,952 --> 00:42:45,484 The next day I wanted with no one to talk to. 393 00:42:45,508 --> 00:42:50,078 I also wanted to see no one and spoke not even with my husband. 394 00:42:50,735 --> 00:42:56,164 I remember that he went to work and me only left 395 00:42:56,843 --> 00:43:01,921 in the building where all those body parts to my door piled up there. 396 00:43:02,499 --> 00:43:06,944 The whole building was scared to death. 397 00:43:11,248 --> 00:43:16,216 I am Dr. Jeffrey Jentzen, the gerechtsdokter. 398 00:43:16,787 --> 00:43:23,997 Currently, my team is still working on the identification. 399 00:43:24,114 --> 00:43:31,067 We have provisionally eleven bodies identified, 400 00:43:31,091 --> 00:43:34,262 victims that we're out of the apartment took. 401 00:43:35,989 --> 00:43:40,918 It was difficult to get much price to give. 402 00:43:40,942 --> 00:43:42,848 There Is a sexual motive for the murders? 403 00:43:43,965 --> 00:43:47,566 No comment. <- - >- There is some evidence of cannibalism? 404 00:43:48,145 --> 00:43:51,769 Again, there is nothing tegenstrijdigs... 405 00:43:51,793 --> 00:43:54,238 We take pictures of the crime scene, 406 00:43:54,262 --> 00:44:01,355 because you don't all the press can handle. 407 00:44:02,457 --> 00:44:04,920 Your vision is very scary. 408 00:44:05,263 --> 00:44:08,669 There was so much info and there were so many evidences. 409 00:44:08,693 --> 00:44:12,786 It was hard to keep everything in perspective. 410 00:44:13,224 --> 00:44:19,644 We reviewed the photos again and again, 411 00:44:19,669 --> 00:44:23,598 to make a judgement and new impressions. 412 00:44:28,284 --> 00:44:32,448 When I got home, I was excited. 413 00:44:33,253 --> 00:44:35,253 When I entered the court, 414 00:44:36,089 --> 00:44:40,292 sat my wife on the corner of the seat to watch tv, 415 00:44:40,316 --> 00:44:43,292 where nothing else than Dahmer to see. 416 00:44:44,831 --> 00:44:46,995 You saw that she was upset. 417 00:44:47,020 --> 00:44:52,729 This was the first thing she said, " Tell me that you're not here involved.' 418 00:44:53,284 --> 00:44:59,010 I said that his confession was diminished, and there certainly was involved. 419 00:44:59,034 --> 00:45:02,963 I said: 'Tomorrow morning I go back to work and him back to interrogate.' 420 00:45:05,283 --> 00:45:09,970 I did not want to fight about, but we were disagree. 421 00:45:09,994 --> 00:45:13,853 They didn't want me to make with the children spoke, what I wanted, 422 00:45:13,877 --> 00:45:16,947 but it was constantly in the news, so you could not escape. 423 00:45:16,971 --> 00:45:20,924 He confessed to perhaps the most gruesome murders in the history of the USA. 424 00:45:20,948 --> 00:45:24,252 When I the next day the blue barrel opened, 425 00:45:24,276 --> 00:45:28,338 I got there decaying corpses from. 426 00:45:29,338 --> 00:45:33,330 It was strange 427 00:45:33,354 --> 00:45:39,424 three skeletons from that barrel. 428 00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:46,666 They asked him if he wanted to see and he had asked me. 429 00:45:46,690 --> 00:45:51,525 He wanted to be with his neighbour talk. I refused that. 430 00:45:51,682 --> 00:45:54,220 I didn't want to talk to him. He was my friend. 431 00:45:55,736 --> 00:45:59,150 He used me like all the others. 432 00:45:59,174 --> 00:46:02,189 You are only for. 433 00:46:06,391 --> 00:46:11,328 Before Jeff in a cell was placed, I had a deal with him closed. 434 00:46:11,977 --> 00:46:18,164 He was not allowed a lawyer to speak to all victims identified. 435 00:46:18,188 --> 00:46:24,516 It amazes me that both he and his lawyer the details want to challenge. 436 00:46:24,540 --> 00:46:30,078 The current details are horrific, but it is just the tip of the iceberg. 437 00:46:31,251 --> 00:46:37,836 You can't just go back to talk to him when you have someone locked up. 438 00:46:38,141 --> 00:46:40,625 That is against their rights. 439 00:46:40,820 --> 00:46:45,281 They may only speak to you if they request. 440 00:46:45,437 --> 00:46:49,703 That gives a better insight into the relationship with Jeffrey and build up. 441 00:46:49,727 --> 00:46:55,305 He had therein invested themselves in the come to terms. 442 00:46:58,235 --> 00:47:03,688 No one was allowed in his own apartment to sleep. No one tried his door. 443 00:47:04,524 --> 00:47:09,625 We wondered where the next night would sleep. 444 00:47:09,649 --> 00:47:13,031 We decided then, but certainly to sleep. 445 00:47:13,055 --> 00:47:17,586 We had a large room where the elevators arrived. 446 00:47:17,727 --> 00:47:24,812 Everyone was in pajamas, with pillow and blankets in there and lay there on the floor. 447 00:47:24,836 --> 00:47:30,554 Along one side there was glass, so you could look outside. 448 00:47:30,992 --> 00:47:33,984 You saw the outside only, but people walk. 449 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,312 On the street and on the grass. 450 00:47:37,336 --> 00:47:40,804 They camped there and were everywhere. 451 00:47:41,937 --> 00:47:46,163 Some of the inhabitants want to move, 452 00:47:46,187 --> 00:47:50,124 because their home and life, a sick tourist attraction. 453 00:47:50,148 --> 00:47:52,640 That choice seems to be the short-term sense. 454 00:47:52,665 --> 00:47:53,938 I am considering it. 455 00:47:54,828 --> 00:47:57,258 Really, I'm tired. 456 00:47:57,391 --> 00:48:01,461 I had a red seat that Jeffrey me had given. 457 00:48:02,180 --> 00:48:06,851 That office was in my house and they wanted to pay. 458 00:48:07,516 --> 00:48:10,914 $50 to get inside and in my seat. 459 00:48:11,688 --> 00:48:16,680 Someone else had a glass of where Jeff ever water had drunk. 460 00:48:16,782 --> 00:48:20,539 They paid to be allowed to hold. 461 00:48:21,227 --> 00:48:22,649 I am so back. 462 00:48:40,396 --> 00:48:42,631 Thank you for waiting. <- - >- No problem. 463 00:48:44,905 --> 00:48:48,959 At the end of the third day, before he was appointed to the court would go, 464 00:48:48,983 --> 00:48:53,826 he said that he was worried for the next day to the court. 465 00:48:54,044 --> 00:48:57,490 He already knew that there is a media storm raged, 466 00:48:57,514 --> 00:49:01,365 because I brought the newspaper and showed him what they about him and wrote. 467 00:49:01,435 --> 00:49:05,270 He feared there unwashed and messy. 468 00:49:05,294 --> 00:49:08,731 That he was in a crazy costume had to take office. 469 00:49:08,755 --> 00:49:12,083 This is a picture of Jeffrey Dahmer (1992), 470 00:49:12,107 --> 00:49:16,114 so it is interesting to see how his appearance changed. 471 00:49:16,138 --> 00:49:18,333 He appears as such for the court. 472 00:49:18,357 --> 00:49:21,849 I went to the house. My oldest son was a sophomore. 473 00:49:21,873 --> 00:49:25,490 He was 1m88 and weighed 84kg. 474 00:49:26,684 --> 00:49:33,082 I asked him if he a shirt or pants had he not liked it. 475 00:49:33,107 --> 00:49:35,997 He pulled out a blue-witgestreept shirt above. 476 00:49:36,021 --> 00:49:40,332 This shirt you gave me as a christmas present, but I will never wear. 477 00:49:40,357 --> 00:49:42,620 He also gave me a black pair of jeans. 478 00:49:42,645 --> 00:49:46,403 Then the next day I went back, and prepared us for the court. 479 00:49:46,427 --> 00:49:48,559 I gave it to Jeffrey, and he did it. 480 00:49:48,583 --> 00:49:52,255 There is a Jeffrey Dahmer in the striped shirt. He is the accused. 481 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,928 He has decided to tell the truth. 482 00:49:56,952 --> 00:49:59,881 That shirt appeared on People Magazine. 483 00:49:59,905 --> 00:50:04,577 The blue-witgestreepte shirt where it said that he is a tennis player looked like. 484 00:50:04,601 --> 00:50:06,913 They were looking for a reason for that choice. 485 00:50:06,937 --> 00:50:10,101 He was wearing just the shirt and the pants of my son. 486 00:50:10,890 --> 00:50:15,195 They brought him back to a cell. 487 00:50:15,219 --> 00:50:21,140 He dressed out, because he had a gevangenisplunje do. 488 00:50:21,272 --> 00:50:23,374 He wanted me the shirt and the pants return. 489 00:50:24,078 --> 00:50:28,163 Then I said, 'Jeff, love them.' 490 00:50:29,554 --> 00:50:32,975 I stood to the north of the supermarket. 491 00:50:33,436 --> 00:50:39,787 A man in a car had seen me and suddenly surrounded several cars for me. 492 00:50:40,209 --> 00:50:42,943 That people wanted to talk with me. 493 00:50:42,967 --> 00:50:46,840 They said that they were victims. 494 00:50:46,865 --> 00:50:50,754 "He has killed my brother.' "He has my son been murdered.' 495 00:50:50,779 --> 00:50:55,466 I tried them to explain that I had nothing to do with it. 496 00:50:55,490 --> 00:51:00,207 This you hear at the local police or the local hospital to say. 497 00:51:00,232 --> 00:51:02,036 Why do you blame us? 498 00:51:02,357 --> 00:51:05,817 Why don't you give me the blame? I have nothing done wrong. 499 00:51:05,841 --> 00:51:07,841 They said that that was the problem. 500 00:51:08,498 --> 00:51:15,474 According to me, they wanted to just something... 501 00:51:16,162 --> 00:51:18,255 They wanted someone to blame. 502 00:51:18,794 --> 00:51:22,512 They saw me not as a victim, 503 00:51:22,536 --> 00:51:26,106 while I cited was that I am just like them was a victim. 504 00:51:34,026 --> 00:51:35,408 Good morning, sir. 505 00:51:53,617 --> 00:51:54,961 Good morning. 506 00:53:08,827 --> 00:53:10,381 Good morning, sir. 507 00:53:12,139 --> 00:53:13,810 I'll check out. 508 00:53:25,621 --> 00:53:26,902 How was your stay? 509 00:53:30,292 --> 00:53:33,792 Who would have thought that this happened? 510 00:53:33,816 --> 00:53:38,987 They said that I was the police or the hospital called. 511 00:53:39,011 --> 00:53:41,011 That we have called. 512 00:53:41,199 --> 00:53:44,839 They came along and looked around for a minute. Jeff, of course, was not at home. 513 00:53:44,863 --> 00:53:50,698 We called the police, but who could do nothing. They could not easily invade. 514 00:53:52,050 --> 00:53:57,659 He had many locks on his door. Up to six. 515 00:53:58,190 --> 00:54:03,245 They couldn't go inside. They thought he would not hurt a fly did. 516 00:54:03,643 --> 00:54:06,792 He is doing nothing wrong. Interfere you with your own business. 517 00:54:12,183 --> 00:54:17,136 They showed Dennis Murphy, a seasoned pro, come along. 518 00:54:17,230 --> 00:54:20,651 He could murder a great examine. We were always together. 519 00:54:20,675 --> 00:54:23,831 He was there always for security reasons, 520 00:54:23,855 --> 00:54:27,433 but also everything according to the letter from the conduct, 521 00:54:27,457 --> 00:54:30,121 because I was still an inexperienced investigator. 522 00:54:30,145 --> 00:54:34,348 We wanted each victim to identify. 523 00:54:34,373 --> 00:54:37,380 The evidence at the crime scene the victims to help identify them. 524 00:54:37,404 --> 00:54:39,505 It was a large company. 525 00:54:39,529 --> 00:54:43,521 Do not forget that the human gene in 1991, it all unraveled, 526 00:54:43,545 --> 00:54:48,365 but it was not yet in the judicial investigation. 527 00:54:48,506 --> 00:54:53,389 We had information from Jeffrey Dahmer get 528 00:54:53,615 --> 00:54:59,184 and that with the found body parts in his apartment trying to comply with it. 529 00:54:59,209 --> 00:55:03,373 Some persons had he then no part of the body preserved. 530 00:55:05,826 --> 00:55:11,880 All the bodies were already decomposed into skeletons, or were by him gedissecteerd. 531 00:55:12,348 --> 00:55:14,348 There were no intact bodies. 532 00:55:15,152 --> 00:55:19,441 We had the paint sprayed skulls to remove. 533 00:55:19,465 --> 00:55:23,855 Dr Storman managed with verfverwijderaar. 534 00:55:24,441 --> 00:55:29,316 We visited the do-it-yourself business 535 00:55:29,340 --> 00:55:34,465 to the bodies to work. 536 00:55:35,231 --> 00:55:39,254 First, we determined the date on which his victims said. 537 00:55:39,496 --> 00:55:43,456 Then we took his identification of the victims. 538 00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:48,784 He gave us the breed, sex, age, length and weight. 539 00:55:48,808 --> 00:55:53,800 With that data we were looking for all people who meet that criteria. 540 00:55:53,824 --> 00:55:56,175 A month or two before or after that time. 541 00:55:56,199 --> 00:56:00,175 Detectives sought from, or which cases are handled. 542 00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:04,558 Were these people found? They live? Heard you have something of them? 543 00:56:04,582 --> 00:56:07,277 So we made a series of photographs. 544 00:56:07,301 --> 00:56:11,449 Both from our own cases as well as pictures of the families. 545 00:56:11,473 --> 00:56:14,762 With that series we went to Jeffrey. 546 00:56:15,067 --> 00:56:18,191 He reduced the number of photos. 547 00:56:19,339 --> 00:56:23,902 We contacted a forensic dentist, Thomas Johnson, 548 00:56:23,926 --> 00:56:26,097 that long with the FBI, worked together 549 00:56:26,121 --> 00:56:29,738 and especially identifications on the basis of teeth did. 550 00:56:30,551 --> 00:56:37,261 If we have the teeth exposed, he could photos and x-rays. 551 00:56:37,464 --> 00:56:41,675 We worked together with the police. 552 00:56:41,699 --> 00:56:47,456 They brought unidentified bodies inside. 553 00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:53,175 We collected their gebitsgegevens and identified them on the basis thereof. 554 00:56:53,823 --> 00:56:56,588 It took some time. It has six weeks. 555 00:56:56,612 --> 00:56:58,916 We could the number reduce. 556 00:56:58,940 --> 00:57:04,291 Thanks to the info from the outside, his statements and by the gebitsgegevens 557 00:57:05,666 --> 00:57:10,385 we were all victims to identify, even those in which nothing was left. 558 00:58:01,050 --> 00:58:05,112 The agents came in may be in contact with Jeffrey Dahmer, 559 00:58:05,136 --> 00:58:07,206 on a call of assault. 560 00:58:07,230 --> 00:58:11,745 Then said Dahmer that the fourteen-year-old no child, but an adult. 561 00:58:11,769 --> 00:58:16,511 He said that they loved ones were. The police left the boy with Dahmer last. 562 00:58:16,659 --> 00:58:19,831 Dahmer says the boy shortly afterwards murdered. 563 00:58:19,855 --> 00:58:23,261 I had a period of insomnia. 564 00:58:24,042 --> 00:58:28,385 I drank to be able to sleep. 565 00:58:28,409 --> 00:58:32,924 I fell over unconscious. It was unconsciously... 566 00:58:35,167 --> 00:58:40,221 So I had nothing to think. That I wanted to achieve. 567 00:58:40,246 --> 00:58:43,613 I was tired of it constantly, thinking. 568 00:58:44,879 --> 00:58:49,918 When I was in that period of six weeks buitenkwam, talked to the other detectives to me. 569 00:58:49,942 --> 00:58:51,348 They asked what he said. 570 00:58:51,372 --> 00:58:55,028 They took pictures of Jeffrey Dahmer and me from the newspaper. 571 00:58:55,052 --> 00:58:59,270 They would all pile up them on my desk. 572 00:59:01,013 --> 00:59:04,458 They were mean and said that he me to the garden led 573 00:59:04,482 --> 00:59:07,177 and that I had committed. 574 00:59:40,430 --> 00:59:44,368 My sister called my mother and said: "Look at the tv, mommy.' 575 00:59:44,393 --> 00:59:47,118 This Is not Pamela's building in Milwaukee? 576 00:59:47,142 --> 00:59:51,915 They accused the police of racism and insensitivity towards gays. 577 00:59:51,939 --> 00:59:55,001 They saw a group of people around me. 578 00:59:55,025 --> 00:59:58,376 She knew that nothing I could do. 579 00:59:58,822 --> 01:00:02,289 Eventually I was called. 580 01:00:02,314 --> 01:00:05,742 She said that I am not to the tv would look and nothing was allowed to read. 581 01:00:05,767 --> 01:00:12,688 As a chef, I do, but also the entire department, take responsibility. 582 01:00:13,602 --> 01:00:15,602 It was just... 583 01:00:16,767 --> 01:00:20,290 I don't know how I should express it. 584 01:00:20,314 --> 01:00:26,415 The city of Milwaukee gave nothing to do with the blacks. 585 01:00:26,439 --> 01:00:28,439 They showed no compassion. 586 01:00:32,118 --> 01:00:35,680 This was a unique crime scene 587 01:00:36,032 --> 01:00:40,063 and autopsy for a forensic pathologist, 588 01:00:40,087 --> 01:00:44,704 because we had direct contact with Dahmer. 589 01:00:45,267 --> 01:00:50,946 Dahmer communicated with the police. 590 01:00:50,970 --> 01:00:54,993 He had his debt already spoken. 591 01:00:55,227 --> 01:00:59,196 He helped the police in the investigation. 592 01:00:59,712 --> 01:01:04,251 If we have an injury there, we called the police. 593 01:01:04,276 --> 01:01:09,377 They shared our findings with Dahmer. 594 01:01:09,401 --> 01:01:13,033 That was a unique situation, as a forensic pathologist. 595 01:01:13,057 --> 01:01:16,494 He confirmed your findings. 596 01:01:16,518 --> 01:01:18,518 He was not always honest. 597 01:01:20,542 --> 01:01:28,455 When I asked him about a new finding questioned, he could explain more. 598 01:01:28,479 --> 01:01:33,518 What he told us, we could be retracing, so we certainly were that he told the truth. 599 01:01:34,378 --> 01:01:40,003 When I got the skulls examined and dissecteerde, 600 01:01:40,143 --> 01:01:47,332 I noticed a bleeding to a hole in the skull drilled. 601 01:01:47,769 --> 01:01:53,190 Bleeding means that one is an injury suffered as there is still blood pressure. 602 01:01:53,698 --> 01:01:59,354 If one is a corpse injures, when the heart no longer beats, 603 01:01:59,378 --> 01:02:02,260 is there not a lot of blood in the tissue is pumped. 604 01:02:02,284 --> 01:02:10,893 Because a hemorrhage around the hole was visible, the wound of his death arise. 605 01:02:11,127 --> 01:02:16,869 I examined the brain and found a wondspoor. 606 01:02:16,894 --> 01:02:23,228 A track through the brain tissue that gebloed had. 607 01:02:25,112 --> 01:02:29,945 I dissected and photographed it and looked at it under the microscope. 608 01:02:29,970 --> 01:02:35,548 I said I had an inflammation in the wound. 609 01:02:36,064 --> 01:02:42,008 If there is inflammation, there is a certain period of time 610 01:02:42,033 --> 01:02:46,923 between the increase of the wound and the death of the victim. 611 01:02:47,697 --> 01:02:52,212 Dr. Jentzen was concerned. How did those holes in their skulls? 612 01:02:52,954 --> 01:02:57,282 Jeff said that he people opensneed and seem to be dumped, 613 01:02:57,376 --> 01:03:00,618 but had not been told that he zombies wanted to create, 614 01:03:00,821 --> 01:03:07,040 until we put to him the evidence presented that there are holes in the skulls drilled. 615 01:03:07,196 --> 01:03:12,478 We viewed it together with a neuropathologist, an expert in hersenanatomie and brain tissue. 616 01:03:12,704 --> 01:03:17,455 We found that the victim's wound suffered when he was still alive. 617 01:03:17,917 --> 01:03:22,471 The victim still has a while lived, after he injury suffered. 618 01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:28,159 He shook his head and said that it was a crazy idea of him was. 619 01:03:28,183 --> 01:03:32,183 He wanted someone to create that he would not need to kill. 620 01:03:33,144 --> 01:03:36,683 I drilled in their head and experimented with different things. 621 01:03:36,707 --> 01:03:40,519 I bored a hole of about an inch. 622 01:03:40,543 --> 01:03:46,642 Then I filled a syringe with a mixture of hydrochloric acid and hot water. 623 01:03:46,667 --> 01:03:52,096 If I can have that in their brains spurting, I was hoping that they would stop talking 624 01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,830 and willoos were, but life remained, 625 01:03:55,946 --> 01:03:58,196 so they world sexual partners were. 626 01:03:58,438 --> 01:04:02,211 Eventually died, everyone I tried them. 627 01:04:10,695 --> 01:04:14,273 It was not clear what to do with the building would do. 628 01:04:14,298 --> 01:04:18,281 They questioned whether they would sell or keep. 629 01:04:18,586 --> 01:04:25,390 Eventually it became very quickly broken down. 630 01:04:26,202 --> 01:04:30,468 An old man and I were the last ones in the house left. 631 01:04:30,765 --> 01:04:36,757 He would not go away, for had 27 years lived. He said: "They take me to my house.' 632 01:04:37,148 --> 01:04:43,452 "I have nothing to do with all those facts.' 'I have nothing done wrong, so don't go away.' 633 01:04:44,148 --> 01:04:50,101 He remained to the bitter end, and the police had him outside of escorting. 634 01:04:50,336 --> 01:04:52,812 By him to confess to 635 01:04:52,837 --> 01:05:00,914 and the residents of Milwaukee to serve, I got a more intimate contact with him. 636 01:05:00,938 --> 01:05:06,803 We formed a band with him. We had pity on him. 637 01:05:06,828 --> 01:05:09,312 He was a pitiful man. 638 01:05:10,414 --> 01:05:15,085 I had compassion with him. Before, I hated myself also. 639 01:05:16,437 --> 01:05:18,671 Why I feel empathy for him? 640 01:05:18,695 --> 01:05:22,312 Why do I feel connected to him? 641 01:05:22,336 --> 01:05:25,656 The jokes that are often made and that I just weglachte, 642 01:05:26,047 --> 01:05:28,804 remained when through my mind. 643 01:05:28,828 --> 01:05:32,437 I want the confession with detective Kennedy discuss. 644 01:05:32,461 --> 01:05:34,578 If you just take a short look at it... 645 01:05:34,602 --> 01:05:39,071 I put all my energy into it. I sometimes this thought. 646 01:05:39,095 --> 01:05:46,149 As Jeff about his hunt for a pleasant and handsome victim spoke, 647 01:05:46,173 --> 01:05:50,688 how they got away, how he is mighty and feeling better, 648 01:05:51,813 --> 01:05:59,967 then I saw the similarities to my life. 649 01:05:59,992 --> 01:06:06,359 I had my home leave after a marriage of eighteen years. 650 01:06:08,648 --> 01:06:15,023 To the police you have a good chance at cross-border behavior. 651 01:06:15,047 --> 01:06:18,859 Because of the great interest in this matter, 652 01:06:18,883 --> 01:06:25,250 I was local for a time recognized on the street. 653 01:06:25,274 --> 01:06:29,664 That's right. <- - >- You have this matter properly... 654 01:06:29,688 --> 01:06:31,570 You're the man of the matter Dahmer. 655 01:06:31,851 --> 01:06:35,961 Have a look here. This is the detective of the case Dahmer. 656 01:06:35,985 --> 01:06:39,797 They came around me and gave me pats on the back. 657 01:06:39,821 --> 01:06:42,719 I remember that very strange thought. 658 01:06:44,164 --> 01:06:49,796 One could opt for other housing projects. 659 01:06:51,139 --> 01:06:56,162 You could choose, so I moved to Parklawn. 660 01:06:56,568 --> 01:07:03,100 If it was discovered who you were, started it all over again. 661 01:07:03,452 --> 01:07:10,850 One was friends with me for something verkoopbaars to be able to get, 662 01:07:11,522 --> 01:07:15,147 if they tried you have a story to scam. 663 01:07:16,835 --> 01:07:21,353 So they could say that I met and knew me. 664 01:07:25,298 --> 01:07:30,641 You may remember the case of Jeffrey Dahmer, from the early 90's in Milwaukee. 665 01:07:30,734 --> 01:07:35,000 He took a dozen men to his apartment and killed them. 666 01:07:36,008 --> 01:07:39,703 He abused and tortured them. He ate them, so also is cannibalism. 667 01:07:40,016 --> 01:07:45,383 Would you be raincoat do if you was offered? 668 01:07:49,702 --> 01:07:51,570 I would not do. 669 01:07:53,476 --> 01:07:55,476 Why not? It is but a raincoat. 670 01:07:57,062 --> 01:08:04,601 Indeed, but that is the last shred of sense that I use. 671 01:08:06,359 --> 01:08:10,367 Publicly do I set it so for: I offer $50, 672 01:08:10,671 --> 01:08:14,210 if one is an old sweater of an assassin feel to it, 673 01:08:14,234 --> 01:08:17,366 but I do not say that he is a murderer. Then all hands in the air. 674 01:08:17,390 --> 01:08:21,022 Then I ask if they would endure, if they know that he is Jeffrey Dahmer. 675 01:08:21,046 --> 01:08:25,678 Most of the hands go down fast. Suddenly take your emotions the upper hand. 676 01:08:25,702 --> 01:08:30,131 There is nothing wetenschappelijks, and there is nothing in the substance, 677 01:08:30,155 --> 01:08:36,537 but psychologically speaking, it seems the aura of a villain us to be able to infect. 678 01:08:36,561 --> 01:08:39,537 That is a powerful intuition. 679 01:08:52,628 --> 01:09:00,143 All the puzzle pieces fell together. I got a clear picture of the facts, 680 01:09:00,167 --> 01:09:07,174 because for that you would not see it. It was too horrific to imagine. 681 01:09:07,198 --> 01:09:13,955 If one asks a horror story to write, would you write it down. 682 01:09:16,401 --> 01:09:21,314 He has lived it. We played into his story. 683 01:09:24,650 --> 01:09:30,259 On Saturday, the jury decided after only five hours that Jeffrey Dahmer accountable, 684 01:09:30,283 --> 01:09:32,055 in all fifteen murders. 685 01:09:32,056 --> 01:09:36,235 After he was found guilty and reprimanded by the court, 686 01:09:36,259 --> 01:09:38,259 I went to say bye to him. 687 01:09:38,993 --> 01:09:40,899 I shook his hand and said goodbye. 688 01:09:40,923 --> 01:09:45,712 He said that he is our conversations and I would miss it. 689 01:09:45,736 --> 01:09:50,376 I said that to the airy to keep. 690 01:09:54,462 --> 01:09:57,180 It is strange to nineteen years later talking about it. 691 01:09:57,204 --> 01:10:01,696 It was a combination of many elements. 692 01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:08,555 I was busy with an important case, and was treated like a king. 693 01:10:08,579 --> 01:10:12,696 They gave me pats on the back and told me how well I dealt with it. 694 01:10:13,173 --> 01:10:15,173 You are working around the clock. 695 01:10:16,041 --> 01:10:23,767 Suddenly it's over and I'm in a small apartment. 696 01:10:23,791 --> 01:10:26,095 Without furniture or friends. 697 01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:29,853 It was dark and it was my birthday. 698 01:10:31,690 --> 01:10:37,220 My phone was not yet installed, so I could have my children also do not call. 699 01:10:37,868 --> 01:10:40,408 That night I had a little time to... 700 01:10:41,744 --> 01:10:45,806 I am ashamed to tell it. I then started to cry. 701 01:10:51,689 --> 01:10:56,415 I was in the prison. 702 01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:59,962 Because of an unpaid fine. 703 01:10:59,986 --> 01:11:04,532 I remember that I was in jail and that it appeared on tv. 704 01:11:05,079 --> 01:11:12,188 Jeffrey Dahmer and one Anderson were beaten up and killed. 705 01:11:12,212 --> 01:11:17,918 Everyone was right and applauded, cuddled and kissed each other. 706 01:11:18,567 --> 01:11:21,309 I sat there and wept. 707 01:11:21,856 --> 01:11:26,450 I put myself right, and went to my room. I closed myself in. 708 01:11:26,475 --> 01:11:30,254 I understood it not at all. 709 01:11:31,247 --> 01:11:37,262 I looked at them and thought: 'How can you cheer? This is a life.' 710 01:11:37,895 --> 01:11:43,582 I cried so hard, so that a guard came over to visit. 711 01:11:43,941 --> 01:11:48,566 'Pamela, what is going on?' 'Now I understand it. I know who you are.' 712 01:11:49,370 --> 01:11:54,152 She said that I was the only one who to him cried. No one else would do that. 713 01:11:55,262 --> 01:11:59,262 I don't understand why people go to scary movies 714 01:11:59,287 --> 01:12:06,997 with murders with chainsaws and other macabre stories. 715 01:12:08,708 --> 01:12:09,935 Legends. 716 01:12:10,130 --> 01:12:15,958 The last scary movie I saw was The Exorcist and that is 20 to 30 years ago. 717 01:12:16,293 --> 01:12:18,293 I don't go to scary movies to watch. 718 01:12:43,715 --> 01:12:48,690 In 1992, Jeffrey Dahmer, accountable explained and got 957 years for 17 murders. 719 01:12:48,715 --> 01:12:58,253 Two years later, at the age of 34, he was killed by a fellow prisoner. 720 01:13:05,675 --> 01:13:09,112 Dr. Jeffrey Jentzen stopped in 2008 as coroner. 721 01:13:09,136 --> 01:13:14,432 He now works for the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor where he and his family lived. 722 01:13:14,456 --> 01:13:19,948 He loves lectures about the procedures used in the case of Dahmer. 723 01:13:25,815 --> 01:13:30,900 Pat Kennedy took over in 1996 dismissal from the police, has remarried and still lives in Milwaukee. 724 01:13:30,924 --> 01:13:34,720 He studied further and now gives the police at UW-Milwaukee. 725 01:13:34,744 --> 01:13:40,367 He teaches them how Dahmer faster contained can be had if the police are better trained 726 01:13:40,392 --> 01:13:44,843 and how they could be more involved in the community where they live. 727 01:13:51,319 --> 01:13:56,045 Pamela Bass still lives in Milwaukee with her three children and nine grandchildren. 728 01:13:56,069 --> 01:14:02,154 She studied for a social worker and wants victims of child abuse help. 729 01:14:02,178 --> 01:14:07,310 She is already fourteen years clean. 730 00:00:01,250 --> 00:00:10,500 Automatic Translation By: www.elsubtitle.com Visit Our Website For Free Translation 62659

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