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(CROWD CHANTING)
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DONALD TRUMP: You know,when I first heard that term,
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I said "Ugh, that's so hokey."
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The hierarchy of power
in Washington D.C.
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is who canraise the money.
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and the special interest groupscontrol the money.
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-The lobbyists.
-That's the swamp.
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I didn't run to unifyWashington.
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-PROTESTER: Asshole!
-Do something!
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MATT GAETZ:
I ran to change Washington.
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REPORTER: What has President
Trump done to drain the swamp?
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CROWD:
Drain the swamp!
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♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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REPORTER: (SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN)
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-(STATIC CRACKLES)
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-(STATIC CRACKLES)
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-(STATIC CRACKLES)
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Donald Trump.
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MARGARITA SIMONYAN: (IN ENGLISH)
My husband woke me up
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and said,"You're not gonna believe it,
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but apparently,Trump is winning."
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And I thought, "God,
now they're gonna blame us."
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(LAUGHS)
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And I even posted that I thinkthat Russians should go out
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on the streetsand carry an American flag.
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Because somebody against whom
the whole establishment,
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and all of the media,
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and all of the deep state,
almost all of them, were,
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and he still won
because the people liked him.
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As a young personwho still believes in the values
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that I was taught by Americans,in an American school...
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to me, it was very optimistic
to see that.
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That it can actually
really happen, still.
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That is how democracy
is supposed to work.
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♪ ("RHAPSODY IN BLUE" BY
GEORGE GERSHWIN PLAYING) ♪
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HILLARY CLINTON: I thinkwe know what we're up against.
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We do, don't we?
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DONALD TRUMP: She's guiltyof a very, very serious crime.
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She should not be allowedto run.
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Hillary Clinton has some
explaining to do.
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(REPORTERS CLAMORING)
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I'm sick and tired of hearing
about your damn emails!
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-Thank you. (LAUGHS)
-(CROWD CHEERING)
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BERNIE SANDERS: You know?
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REPORTER: Bernie Sanders
leading Hillary Clinton.
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CROWD: (CHANTING)
Feel the Bern! Feel the Bern!
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Bernie Sanders.
You know, I told him.
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I said, "The election's rigged."
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It was rigged!
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"Here's another ballot!"
Throw it away, throw--
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"Oh, here's one I like.
We'll keep that one."
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You could put half
of Trump's supporters
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into what I call
the "basket of deplorables."
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TRUMP: Isn't this exciting?Don't you love it? I love it!
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What's more fun
than a Trump rally, right?
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(CROWD CHEERING)
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I made speeches
to lots of groups.
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But did you have to be
paid 675,000 dollars?
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That's what they offered.
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-So, um...
-(CROWD LAUGHING)
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This is the ultimate
reality show.
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It's the Presidency
of the United States.
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♪ (MUSIC INTENSIFIES) ♪
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(CROWD CLAMORING)
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-(YIPS)
-(EAGLE SQUAWKS)
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...hacked the hell out of us.
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-...the DNC hack...
-...hacking the DNC...
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-...exposed by WikiLeaks...
-...and posted on WikiLeaks...
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-Military and civilian...
-TRUMP: Our country has no idea.
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-...agencies, well...
-Yeah, I doubt it. I doubt it.
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...he'd rather believe
Vladimir Putin.
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Vladimir Putin, he called you
a brilliant leader.
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Do you wanna be complimented
by that former KGB officer?
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Well, I think
when he calls me brilliant,
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I'll take the compliment, okay?
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And every time
Russia's brought up, they say,
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"Oh, Trump!"
What do I have to do with it?
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ALEX GIBNEY: Okay,I'm not gonna make you relive
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the entire 2016 election.
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It was too chaotic.Too crazy. Too much.
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But I am interestedin figuring out
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this Trump-Russia thing.
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What was that all about?
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Vladimir Putin's plan to rulethe world?
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A Democrat witch huntto take down Trump?
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A Cold War spy game?
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I've been trying for yearsto answer those questions,
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and every time someoneasked me
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what this movie was about,I'd say...
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"Well, how much timedo you have?"
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Fear. Money. Corruption.
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I can't tell you the one thingthat explains
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what Russia did to usor what we did to ourselves.
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All I can tell youis what happened.
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That's hard enoughwhen you're talking about
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the most chaotic electionof our lifetimes.
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And maybe for now,that's one thing I will say.
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For some politicians,in Russia and America,
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chaos isn't something to fear.
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It's a way to get by.
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Sometimes, with a little helpfrom your friends.
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Thank you very much.
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(CROWD CHEERING)
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(CAR HONKING IN DISTANCE)
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♪ (MELLOW MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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ALEX: The country spent yearstelling itself stories
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to make sense of 2016.
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It started in the final daysof the Obama administration
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with a report fromthe US Intelligence Community.
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REPORTER:
An American intelligence report
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finds that Russia useddisinformation warfare
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to try to interfere withthe 2016 presidential election.
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One of the weaponsin the Kremlin's arsenal
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was its state-runnews network, RT.
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SIMONYAN: I read that report.
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Well, I laughed my guts out.
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They mentioned my name there
27 times.
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It would be laughableif it weren't that scary.
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If the Intelligence Community...
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of the most powerful country
in the world...
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is that ignorant,
the world is in much trouble.
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REPORTER 1: The FBI hasan open investigation...
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REPORTER 2:
The House Intelligence Committee
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issued seven subpoenas...
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REPORTER 3:
...an active investigation...
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REPORTER 2: This isa pretty broad investigation,
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they are following the money...
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REPORTER 4: What nexton the Russian investigation?
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REPORTER 2: ...so-calledRussian collusion...
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REPORTER 4:
It'll now be handled by...
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ALEX: There were too manyinvestigations to count.
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The FBI, the Justice Department,both houses of Congress.
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Everyone wanted to knowwhat Russia had done.
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But if anyone was gonna getthe goods,
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it would be the teamput together
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by the Special Counsel,Robert Mueller.
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ANDREW WEISSMANN:
After the announcement that
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Rod Rosenstein had appointedBob Mueller,
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a friend of mine sent me
an email that said: "Bye, bye!"
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He knew that I'd worked withDirector Mueller twice before,
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and he just assumed that I wouldjust go off and work with him.
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People like to think ofthe Special Counsel's Office
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but this is
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Our report has one key finding.
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Clear, unequivocal...
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efforts by
the Russian government
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to interfere with our election.
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The issue that goes to the coreof our democracy is...
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are we doing everything we can
to make sure
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that Americans will decide
who is running this country?
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Oh, so, the DNC knew
of the hack on April 19th.
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But it wasn't reported
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ALEX: I started workingon the Russia story
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at the suggestionof the legendary reporter
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and producerLowell Bergman.
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We formed a team of reportersand collaborators
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from the US and Russia to takeon different parts of the story.
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INTERVIEWER: Uh, did you
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that had a more
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No, but thank you.
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ALEX:
But what exactly was the story?
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We learned a lot of detailsabout election interference.
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The trolling, the hacking,and the alleged collusion.
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What I couldn't figure out was,
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how did these piecesfit together?
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Or even if they did.
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The first piece of the puzzlepointed us
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toward a cyber trailon the internet,
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where a motley bandof Russian trolls
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had been busymaking mischief on social media.
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ALEX: The campaign was riddledwith disinformation,
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which travels like quicksilveron the internet.
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So we sought outCamille François,
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who was engaged by the US Senateto study the activities
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of the infamousRussian troll factory
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known asthe Internet Research Agency,
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or IRA.
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CAMILLE FRANÇOIS: In 2016,people didn't know
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what a Russian troll was.
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I was quite fascinated
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by this new meansof controlling narratives.
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My background is
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and I was very concerned
with the way digital technology
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was actually creating
new problems in human rights.
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What's really interestingwith Russia,
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it exemplifies a new trend
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in governments usingthe internet
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to control and repress.
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Members of the committee,thank you
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for having me here today.
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We're here to discuss
the growing issue
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of online imposters
and disinformation.
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Targeting specific communities
at the right time
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and with the right tactics
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can have a catastrophic impact
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or on an election.
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And I have seen the typesof impacts
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that those disinformationcampaigns can have.
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The IRA uses
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A persona is simply an account
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that's not who they say
they are.
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They're really doing three types
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Fake people, like,"Hi, my name is Jenna Abrams.
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I am an American conservative."
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She doesn't exist.
She's a fake person.
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That's a fake persona.
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Fake organizations.
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"Hi, we are BlackMattersUS.
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We are an organization dedicatedto fighting racism in America."
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This organization doesn't exist.
It's a fake shop.
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And finally,
through doing fake local media.
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Like a newspaper that's based
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that has a title thatsounds like it could be real.
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But it's not.It's not a real newspaper.
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It doesn't havereal journalists,
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and it has zero office
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They have this army of personas,
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and togetherthey're gonna do campaigns.
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(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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FRANÇOIS: What does all thissocial media activity tell us
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about what the IRA was doingin the United States?
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What is the story?
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Initially, the IRAwas not focused
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on the 2016 election.
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The first thing that you see
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is the IRA's seeking to control
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the Russian
domestic conversation.
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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FRANÇOIS:
The first target of the IRA
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really isthe Russian people themselves.
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The IRA starts in 2013,in St. Petersburg.
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ALEX: To tell the storyof the troll factory,
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we compiled hackedand leaked materials
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and spoke to former employeesand journalists
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who had gotten inside.
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MAN: (SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN
OVER PHONE)
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(SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN)
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ANDREI SOSHNIKOV: (IN ENGLISH)
The troll farm itself
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is like, um, a Disneyland
for investigative journalists.
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There is always something
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It's a very evil organization,
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but it was very funto investigate.
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JAVIER: When was the first timeyou heard of this,
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this thing that we've
come to call the troll factory?
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In the year 2013,
I was the first journalist
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to report about the troll farm.
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(MOUSE CLICKING)
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SOSHNIKOV: I've seen a poston social media.
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A woman toldabout a very strange job,
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and I decidedthat I need to check.
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So I went undercover.I bought a new SIM card.
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I createda new social media profile.
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And I came up with another name.
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They rented this big buildingon Savushkina Street 55.
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I went to the interview,
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and I was askedjust two simple questions:
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"What's your attitude
towards Kremlin?"
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And "What's your attitude
towards Russian opposition?"
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That's how it worked.
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(BEEPS)
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WOMAN: (IN RUSSIAN)
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(DOOR CLOSES)
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SOSHNIKOV: I met anotherinvestigative journalist there.
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We know each other
since childhood,
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and it was very difficult
to hide our laughs.
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She said, "Oh, hi, Andrei.
Good to see you here.
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You also looking for a job?"
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"Yeah! I will write stuff
on the internet about Kremlin
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and praise Putin
and stuff like this."
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And she said, "Wow,
I will do the same thing."
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(MACHINE BEEPS)
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SOSHNIKOV: It showshow unprofessional they were
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on their first days
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because they had two
investigative journalists...
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in the building. Same time.
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They had several levels.
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Some doors has just a hashtag.
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A special department
creating hashtags, maybe.
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(WOMAN HUMMING)
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They had two types of people,
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-simple trolls and analytics.
-(BEEPS)
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SOSHNIKOV: The job of analyticsis to create the agenda
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for the troll.
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You have to use these wordsand these phrases
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to promote our opinion.
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A very short task, we called
them technical assignments.
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SOSHNIKOV:
They were really interested
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in the comments sectionsof media websites.
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WOMAN: (SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN)
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TRANSLATOR: "Putin is good.Putin is the best president.
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If someone had doubts thatPutin is the best president,
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then after the..."
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SOSHNIKOV: And they had to sendtheir bosses pages of forums
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with examples of their posts.
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(WOMAN LAUGHING)
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SOSHNIKOV:
I spent one day there.
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I literally wrote the story,uh, in the evening,
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and the next morning,it was online.
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A very short story.
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(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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SOSHNIKOV:
I thought they are amateurs.
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And how people who were hiredfrom the streets...
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could establish
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such a sophisticated
disinformational campaign
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against a strong
Western democracy?
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Um, absurd.
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ALEX:
It seemed absurd back then.
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The trolls' skills justdidn't match their ambition
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to move fast and break things.
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So the people in chargetried to scale up.
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They boosted payto attract better employees
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and brought in various outsideconsultants to train them.
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OLEG MATVEYCHEV: (IN RUSSIAN)
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♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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ALEX: The trolls were buildinga machine
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for influencing conversationson the web.
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So what?Every PR firm in the world
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was doing the same thingin 2013.
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But the trolls wanted to do morethan monetize social media.
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They used their network to helpthe Russian government
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in a waragainst another country.
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What they really did,
they did with Ukraine,
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and Ukraine is the main victim.
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♪ (MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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Ukraine is fascinating
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because it is caught
between the West and Russia,
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both politically and physically.
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There's the eastern part,which is more Russian,
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and it's alsothe wealthier part.
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Russia has enormouscontrol there
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because of oil and gas,
which Ukraine needs.
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And so, there's this tug of warabout Ukraine
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and whether it's gonna be
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a Russian sphere of influenceor not.
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FRANÇOIS: Before the IRA dida major operation in the US,
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Ukraine became, frankly, the lab
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for all the latest and greatest
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from Russia'sinformation operations.
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♪ ("STATE ANTHEM OF UKRAINE"
PLAYING) ♪
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(INDISTINCT VOICE
OVER LOUDSPEAKER)
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Yanukovych was the pro-Russian,
pro-Putin president.
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(SCATTERED APPLAUSE)
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WEISSMANN: But he was goingto sign legislation
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that would put Ukraine
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further in the sphereof Western influence.
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(SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN)
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TRANSLATOR: "I believethat we should push on
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with our partnershipwith the European Union.
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It's an imperative."
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Originally,
Yanukovych became president
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with the promise of signing
an EU Association Agreement.
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There was a lotof political support
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'cause it was gonna be goodfor Ukrainian business.
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It would have given them
freedom of movement
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for their citizens, visa-free.
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It would have given them,
uh, complete trade preferences.
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It would have been a free,prosperous,
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increasingly European Ukraine.
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Putin wakes upin October of 2013
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and decides that he has to move
very quickly to end that.
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(SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN)
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TRANSLATOR: "Ukraineis not our closest neighbor.
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It's our fraternal nation."
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So he offers Yanukovych
these big loans...
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and Yanukovych tellshis citizens,
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"We're gonna put thison the back burner."
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This is Ukraine's moment
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to meet the aspirations
of its people
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or to disappoint them
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and risk descending
into chaos and violence.
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It was political for Putin.
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He was afraid he was losing
Ukraine to Europe
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and the next step would be
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that his own citizenswould want that, too.
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ALEX:
Putin needed to show Russians
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that Ukraine's turntoward Europe was bad news,
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a perfect opportunityfor the troll factory.
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While the trolls tried to swaypublic opinion,
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Putin invited Yanukovychto the Kremlin
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for a friendly chat.
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WEISSMANN: Rumors are thatYanukovych was paid
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a bloody fortuneunder the table.
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I mean, he lived this incredibly
opulent life
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that you couldn't possibly liveon a government salary.
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When he reneged
on the European deal,
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there was this huge
popular uprising.
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(SHOUTING IN UKRAINIAN)
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(PROTESTERS CHEER)
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PROTESTER:
(SPEAKING IN UKRAINIAN)
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It started as peaceful protests
in December of 2013.
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Those protests turned violent
in January of 2014.
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(GUNSHOTS)
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(PEOPLE SHOUTING IN UKRAINIAN)
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Putin was encouraging Yanukovych
throughout this period to do
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what he himself would have done
and has done in Russia,
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which is to be very heavy-handed
on the street
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against protesters, locking upmass numbers of people.
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(SHOUTING IN UKRAINIAN)
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PROTESTER:
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CROWD:
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And he thought that
Yanukovych was a chump
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to allow it to go on
as long as he did.
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CELESTE WALLANDER:
Ukrainian security services,
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possibly with some outside help,
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began to shoot
at the protesters.
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(GUNSHOT)
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(PEOPLE YELLING IN UKRAINIAN)
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(INDISTINCT CLAMORING)
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WALLANDER: You've probably seenthe films of the bloodbaths
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in-- in January of 2014.
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♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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TIMOTHY SNYDER:
In Ukraine, in 2013 and 2014,
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people mobilizedfor a very simple thing.
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People, especially young people,
wanted to look forward
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to a future with predictability
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and the rule of law
and Europe in it.
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That mattered to them enough
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to go out on the streetand take risks.
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And in the end, some of thempaid with their lives.
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That's the story
of the revolution in Ukraine
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which is thought
of as the Maidan.
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VICTORIA NULAND:
The whole world is watching.
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There is a way out for Ukraine.
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It is still possible to save
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Ukraine's European future.
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EU finally managed to broker
a de-escalation agreement
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that would constrain
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Yanukovych's authoritarian
trends and power.
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But he was
gonna stay in as president.
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I have no doubt
after our meeting
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that President Yanukovych
knows what he needs to do.
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There was actually a plan
for Vice President Biden
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to speak to Yanukovych.
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I was supposed to be inon that phone call,
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taking notes.
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And they said, "We can't findPresident Yanukovych."
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We all were like,"Well, that's kind of strange."
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We woke up the next morningto find out
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that Yanukovych had actuallyfled to Russia.
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And then,the Ukrainians had a vote
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to create an interim government.
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The Russians were not happy
about this.
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On the next day, I got a callfrom the Situation Room
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saying, "You need to come inand see something,"
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and it was the first movementof Russian forces
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invading Crimea,
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which is a strategic partof Ukraine for Russia.
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Within 24 hours of Yanukovych
having run away.
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(SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN)
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WALLANDER: And they managedto cut off Crimea
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from the mainlandwithin a couple days.
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-(GUNSHOT)
-(DOG BARKING)
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WALLANDER: The whole invasionwas done within a week.
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ALEX: The invasion became a warfor Eastern Ukraine
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with pro-Russian separatistsreceiving support from Moscow.
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From the start, the trollshad a key role to play.
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They created fake news websites,
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which they usedto drive a wedge into Ukraine
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and push the two halvesof the country apart.
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Targeting Russian speakersin Eastern Ukraine,
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they portrayed the protestorsin the capital
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as neo-Nazis tryingto seize power by coup d'état.
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If you were an American
or a European
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following the war in Ukraine,
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and you were looking
at Facebook,
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if you were on the left,the Russians would be
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telling you that Ukrainewas a fascist or a Nazi regime.
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With the lack of peace
and stability
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and the rise
of neo-Nazi hardliners,
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many Jews are considering
fleeing the country.
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SNYDER:
If you were on the far right,
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the Russians would betelling you
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that this whole Ukrainian thing
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was a part of a Jewishinternational conspiracy
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and the Ukrainian statewas just propped up
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by Jewish oligarchs.
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And of course, those two stories
don't go very well together,
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but it doesn't matter.
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People on the left
and people on the far right
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are in their own
internet bubbles.
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So, they learned
that you can do that.
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And you can motivate
and de-motivate
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by tellingcontradictory falsehoods
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that are targetedto different audiences,
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and by doing that,
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get the overall resultthat you want.
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(SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN)
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SOSHNIKOV: They were preparing
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the informational backgroundof these operations.
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They created so many fake newsand videos,
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like to say that, uh,
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Ukrainian soldiers torture
people who speaks Russian,
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to cover what was reallygoing on there.
503
00:30:17,333 --> 00:30:19,041
(IN RUSSIAN)
504
00:31:26,792 --> 00:31:29,166
FIGHTER: (IN RUSSIAN)
505
00:31:34,792 --> 00:31:36,333
WALLANDER: I would watchthese videos
506
00:31:36,417 --> 00:31:39,375
about, you know,fascists in Ukraine, and Nazis,
507
00:31:39,458 --> 00:31:41,458
and all this sort ofinsane stuff,
508
00:31:41,542 --> 00:31:44,417
and be like... (SCOFFS)
"No one could believe that."
509
00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:45,750
And I was wrong.
510
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:54,125
I was insufficiently attuned
to how those Russian operations
511
00:31:54,208 --> 00:31:57,542
could be persuasive
in the context of social media
512
00:31:57,625 --> 00:31:59,458
if they were properly targeted.
513
00:32:01,667 --> 00:32:04,542
People who worked
on the troll farm,
514
00:32:04,625 --> 00:32:06,375
they changed history.
515
00:32:06,458 --> 00:32:09,667
They really influencedthe situation.
516
00:32:12,250 --> 00:32:14,750
ALEX: When the troll factorymanufactured its campaign
517
00:32:14,834 --> 00:32:16,083
on the US election,
518
00:32:16,166 --> 00:32:18,709
it used tools developedin Ukraine.
519
00:32:18,792 --> 00:32:20,625
A motive developed there, too.
520
00:32:20,709 --> 00:32:22,250
Before Yanukovych fled,
521
00:32:22,333 --> 00:32:24,709
the Russian governmentwas furious about the role
522
00:32:24,792 --> 00:32:28,250
played by Americanson the ground in Kyiv.
523
00:32:28,333 --> 00:32:31,583
NULAND: We had a streamof Americans
524
00:32:31,667 --> 00:32:33,083
going out to Ukraine
525
00:32:33,166 --> 00:32:37,458
to mediate between Yanukovych
and the protesters.
526
00:32:37,542 --> 00:32:39,750
And the US ambassadoron the ground called me.
527
00:32:39,834 --> 00:32:40,917
It was an open line.
528
00:32:41,041 --> 00:32:42,542
I knew the Russianswere listening.
529
00:32:43,875 --> 00:32:45,667
(OVER PHONE)
530
00:32:58,208 --> 00:33:00,625
And at that point,
I used this barnyard epithet,
531
00:33:00,709 --> 00:33:05,291
never thinking that the Russians
would put this out publicly.
532
00:33:05,375 --> 00:33:09,458
In fact, they hadn't dumped
a phone call on the street
533
00:33:09,542 --> 00:33:10,959
in 25 years.
534
00:33:11,041 --> 00:33:15,291
(SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN)
535
00:33:15,375 --> 00:33:17,083
NULAND (OVER PHONE):
You know...(BLEEP)...the EU.
536
00:33:17,166 --> 00:33:19,542
-REPORTER: (SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN)
-(BLEEP)
537
00:33:19,625 --> 00:33:22,125
NULAND:
I did a great apologia tour,
538
00:33:22,208 --> 00:33:23,291
called everybody.
539
00:33:23,375 --> 00:33:25,875
It was pretty impressive
tradecraft.
540
00:33:25,959 --> 00:33:28,625
The audio was,
uh, extremely clear.
541
00:33:29,417 --> 00:33:30,709
(OVER PHONE) So, uh...
542
00:33:34,750 --> 00:33:36,917
It sounds like they're playing
a game of chess,
543
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,792
uh, with the opposition leaders
544
00:33:38,875 --> 00:33:41,333
as-- as the pieces
on that chess board.
545
00:33:43,875 --> 00:33:48,083
(SPEAKING IN UKRAINIAN)
546
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:52,000
ALEX: The hack and releaseof the Nuland phone call
547
00:33:52,083 --> 00:33:54,000
was a new kindof cyberattack
548
00:33:54,083 --> 00:33:56,166
pointed atthe US State Department
549
00:33:56,250 --> 00:33:58,417
and, by extension,its former secretary,
550
00:33:58,500 --> 00:33:59,667
Hillary Clinton.
551
00:33:59,750 --> 00:34:03,166
Only a few years before,Clinton had wondered out loud
552
00:34:03,250 --> 00:34:06,041
whether Russia's 2012 electionwould be rigged
553
00:34:06,125 --> 00:34:08,166
in favor of Vladimir Putin.
554
00:34:09,375 --> 00:34:12,291
Mr. Putin, like all tyrants,
555
00:34:12,375 --> 00:34:16,500
faces a very challenging
kind of politics every day.
556
00:34:16,583 --> 00:34:19,667
It's not that, you know,
democracy is-- is hard
557
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:22,458
and tyranny is easy,
or the other way around.
558
00:34:22,542 --> 00:34:23,625
They're-- they're both hard.
559
00:34:23,709 --> 00:34:25,750
They just have different kinds
of challenges.
560
00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:29,041
In 2011 and 2012 in Russia,
561
00:34:29,125 --> 00:34:31,625
there were parliamentaryelections in December,
562
00:34:31,709 --> 00:34:33,542
and then there werepresidential elections
563
00:34:33,625 --> 00:34:34,834
in the spring.
564
00:34:34,917 --> 00:34:37,875
And the parliamentary electionsbrought Putin's party
565
00:34:37,959 --> 00:34:39,542
a majority in the parliament,
566
00:34:39,625 --> 00:34:43,041
and the presidential electionsbrought Putin back to power.
567
00:34:43,125 --> 00:34:47,250
But in fact, his party only wonabout 26 percent of the votes
568
00:34:47,333 --> 00:34:51,166
and, in fact, Mr. Putin himselfdidn't win enough votes
569
00:34:51,250 --> 00:34:53,750
in the first round to actuallyclear and be president
570
00:34:53,834 --> 00:34:57,166
after one round of voting.
So everything was faked.
571
00:34:57,250 --> 00:35:00,583
And everybody knew it.
And people did protest.
572
00:35:00,667 --> 00:35:03,667
(PROTESTERS CHANTING IN RUSSIAN)
573
00:35:04,625 --> 00:35:06,834
(INDISTINCT SHOUTING)
574
00:35:07,458 --> 00:35:09,041
(PROTESTERS CLAMORING)
575
00:35:09,125 --> 00:35:13,542
SNYDER: There were protestsin 99 Russian cities.
576
00:35:13,625 --> 00:35:15,417
There were hundredsof thousands of people
577
00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:17,125
simultaneously on the street,
578
00:35:17,208 --> 00:35:19,208
and the messagewas a very simple one:
579
00:35:19,291 --> 00:35:21,125
for free elections.
580
00:35:21,208 --> 00:35:23,625
(CHANTING IN RUSSIAN)
581
00:35:24,750 --> 00:35:27,000
(CHANTING)
582
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:32,000
(SHOUTING)
583
00:35:34,041 --> 00:35:37,458
(CHANTING)
584
00:35:37,542 --> 00:35:40,750
That was a crucial moment,
because it was the last moment
585
00:35:40,834 --> 00:35:44,750
where, if you were Russian,
you could maybe still believe
586
00:35:44,834 --> 00:35:47,542
that voting
might make a difference.
587
00:35:51,041 --> 00:35:52,625
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
588
00:35:52,709 --> 00:35:56,333
VOTER: (IN RUSSIAN)
589
00:35:57,208 --> 00:36:01,750
VOTERS: (OVERLAPPING)
590
00:36:01,834 --> 00:36:04,208
ELECTION STAFF: (IN RUSSIAN)
591
00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:08,083
-VOTER:
-STAFF:
592
00:36:08,834 --> 00:36:11,041
VOTER:
593
00:36:11,125 --> 00:36:12,417
STAFF:
594
00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:14,000
-VOTER:
-STAFF:
595
00:36:14,083 --> 00:36:16,250
VOTER:
596
00:36:16,792 --> 00:36:19,208
(IN RUSSIAN)
597
00:36:25,041 --> 00:36:27,709
(PROTESTERS CHANTING IN RUSSIAN)
598
00:36:27,792 --> 00:36:31,500
There are plenty of Russians
who care about democracy.
599
00:36:31,583 --> 00:36:32,917
There are plenty of Russians
600
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,834
who'd like to havetheir votes counted.
601
00:36:34,917 --> 00:36:37,500
There are plenty of Russianswho would like to havethe rule of law,
602
00:36:37,583 --> 00:36:39,917
who wouldlike to have a free press.
603
00:36:41,792 --> 00:36:43,458
Putin could have said,
604
00:36:43,542 --> 00:36:44,959
"Yes, let's have
free elections."
605
00:36:45,041 --> 00:36:48,917
But his reaction instead was
180 degrees the opposite.
606
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:55,000
-(SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN)
-(PROTESTERS CLAMORING)
607
00:37:01,583 --> 00:37:04,125
(IN RUSSIAN)
608
00:37:05,291 --> 00:37:06,792
SNYDER:
Putin's reaction was to say,
609
00:37:06,875 --> 00:37:09,834
"All of these protesters
are foreign agents.
610
00:37:09,917 --> 00:37:11,417
They've all been inspired by
611
00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:14,125
the American Secretary of State,
Hillary Clinton."
612
00:37:16,750 --> 00:37:18,250
(HILLARY CLEARS THROAT)
613
00:37:18,333 --> 00:37:19,792
We do have serious concerns
614
00:37:19,875 --> 00:37:21,834
about the conduct
of the elections.
615
00:37:21,917 --> 00:37:26,125
(IN RUSSIAN)
616
00:37:30,583 --> 00:37:32,625
NULAND: Putin was furious,
617
00:37:32,709 --> 00:37:36,208
because he believed that
it couldn't possibly be the case
618
00:37:36,291 --> 00:37:37,208
that the Russian people
619
00:37:37,291 --> 00:37:38,291
didn't like
what he was offering.
620
00:37:38,375 --> 00:37:41,208
It had to be inspired
from the outside.
621
00:37:41,291 --> 00:37:43,500
(IN RUSSIAN)
622
00:37:54,417 --> 00:37:58,417
WALLANDER: He blamed herpublicly for the protests...
623
00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:04,166
and also, her foreign policywas very tough on Russia.
624
00:38:05,667 --> 00:38:07,583
The Russian foreign policy elite
understood
625
00:38:07,667 --> 00:38:10,417
that if she were elected
president of the United States,
626
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:12,750
it would be possiblyeven tougher,
627
00:38:12,834 --> 00:38:14,166
and they didn't want that.
628
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,041
(IN RUSSIAN)
629
00:38:37,375 --> 00:38:40,834
TRUMP (OVER PHONE): Look, Putinis a smart, calculating guy,
630
00:38:40,917 --> 00:38:42,917
you know, just, uh-- he's--
631
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,125
we're talking abouta different league of--
632
00:38:45,208 --> 00:38:46,583
I don't knowif it's street smarts
633
00:38:46,667 --> 00:38:48,583
or intelligence or whatever...
634
00:38:49,375 --> 00:38:51,041
ALEX: Even before 2016,
635
00:38:51,125 --> 00:38:54,291
Putin had a big fanin Donald Trump.
636
00:38:54,375 --> 00:38:57,208
In Ukraine, Putin had donethe unthinkable.
637
00:38:57,291 --> 00:38:59,417
He had annexed the territoryof another country,
638
00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:02,959
something that hadn't been donein Europe since World War II.
639
00:39:03,041 --> 00:39:06,083
But for Trump, Putin's moveswere a sign of strength.
640
00:39:06,166 --> 00:39:07,542
TRUMP (OVER PHONE):
Ukraine, you know,
641
00:39:07,625 --> 00:39:10,125
it's not our backyard.And it is his backyard.
642
00:39:10,208 --> 00:39:11,834
Just look at the wayhe did Syria.
643
00:39:11,917 --> 00:39:13,333
Look at what's going onwith Iran,
644
00:39:13,417 --> 00:39:16,375
where Russia's backing Iran,and big-league backing Iran.
645
00:39:16,458 --> 00:39:20,792
I mean, it is absolutely insanewhat's happened to this country
646
00:39:20,875 --> 00:39:23,291
over the last fouror five years.
647
00:39:23,375 --> 00:39:24,834
ALEX: Small wonder that,in Russia,
648
00:39:24,917 --> 00:39:27,333
Trump's announcement thathe was running for president
649
00:39:27,417 --> 00:39:28,625
got rave reviews.
650
00:39:29,875 --> 00:39:33,625
REPORTER: (IN RUSSIAN)
651
00:39:40,959 --> 00:39:42,417
I was over in Moscow
two years ago...
652
00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:45,458
TRANSLATOR:
(TRANSLATING IN RUSSIAN)
653
00:39:47,959 --> 00:39:50,125
I would be willing to bet
I would have
654
00:39:50,208 --> 00:39:52,625
a great relationship with Putin.
It's about leadership.
655
00:39:52,709 --> 00:39:55,000
Based on what?
You're two macho guys? I mean...
656
00:39:55,083 --> 00:39:56,542
ALEX: Trump's attitudetowards Putin
657
00:39:56,625 --> 00:39:58,667
was part of a different kindof game.
658
00:39:58,750 --> 00:40:01,000
From the beginning,the only consistent principle
659
00:40:01,083 --> 00:40:02,834
of Trump's presidential campaign
660
00:40:02,917 --> 00:40:03,917
was that you never knew
661
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,375
what would come outof his mouth next.
662
00:40:05,458 --> 00:40:06,333
(CROWD CHEERS)
663
00:40:06,417 --> 00:40:08,000
No, it's so great.
This Twitter--
664
00:40:08,083 --> 00:40:10,041
This Twitter,
Facebook, is so great
665
00:40:10,125 --> 00:40:12,458
because when they lie
on television,
666
00:40:12,542 --> 00:40:14,750
I type out, you know,
ding, ding, ding---
667
00:40:14,834 --> 00:40:15,875
I'll do it myself.
668
00:40:15,959 --> 00:40:18,500
Ding, ding, dong, doong, ding.
Press.
669
00:40:18,583 --> 00:40:20,583
And they go,
like 12 seconds later,
670
00:40:20,667 --> 00:40:22,542
"We have breaking news
from Donald Trump.
671
00:40:22,625 --> 00:40:24,417
Here's the story--"
It's the craziest thing.
672
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:28,375
ALEX: Being an agent of chaoswas part of Trump's brand.
673
00:40:28,458 --> 00:40:30,041
The more chaos, the better.
674
00:40:30,125 --> 00:40:32,291
And I said, "Somebodyshould run against John McCain."
675
00:40:32,375 --> 00:40:34,083
-FRANK LUNTZ: He's a war hero.-He is a war hero--
676
00:40:34,166 --> 00:40:35,709
LUNTZ: Five and a half yearsin a POW camp.
677
00:40:35,792 --> 00:40:37,291
He's a war hero'cause he was captured.
678
00:40:37,375 --> 00:40:38,834
I like peoplethat weren't captured, okay?
679
00:40:38,917 --> 00:40:40,208
-I hate to tell you.
-(AUDIENCE LAUGHING)
680
00:40:40,291 --> 00:40:41,875
JOHN PODESTA:
He made the disparaging comments
681
00:40:41,959 --> 00:40:43,458
about John McCain.
682
00:40:43,542 --> 00:40:45,750
For virtually anybody else,
683
00:40:45,834 --> 00:40:47,917
that would have beena total career ender.
684
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,125
And yet, he seemed to both
be able to absorb that,
685
00:40:51,208 --> 00:40:52,750
bounce off it, uh,
686
00:40:52,834 --> 00:40:55,583
and actually, to some extent,
strengthen from it.
687
00:40:55,667 --> 00:40:57,750
If I didn't have
a big speaker system
688
00:40:57,834 --> 00:40:59,709
in terms of my mouth,
689
00:40:59,792 --> 00:41:01,500
but the people
that listened to it,
690
00:41:01,583 --> 00:41:04,333
and Twitter, at realDonaldTrump,by the way, but--
691
00:41:04,417 --> 00:41:06,166
(CROWD CHEERING)
692
00:41:08,375 --> 00:41:11,458
FRANÇOIS: You know, people ask,"Was the IRA pro-Trump?"
693
00:41:11,542 --> 00:41:13,000
I think that's
a tricky question.
694
00:41:13,083 --> 00:41:15,250
The IRA was anti-America.
695
00:41:15,333 --> 00:41:16,834
In general, they were interested
696
00:41:16,917 --> 00:41:19,125
in any message that weakens
697
00:41:19,208 --> 00:41:21,875
the democratic institutions
of the US.
698
00:41:23,542 --> 00:41:26,583
"Create chaos"was the primary goal.
699
00:41:26,667 --> 00:41:31,500
Weakening Hillary's messagesand position and identity
700
00:41:31,583 --> 00:41:34,625
and amplifyingDonald Trump's campaign
701
00:41:34,709 --> 00:41:37,750
is a good meansto create this chaos.
702
00:41:39,834 --> 00:41:41,583
I think the target is trust.
703
00:41:43,583 --> 00:41:45,250
ALEX: Trust is a funny thing.
704
00:41:45,333 --> 00:41:48,458
So hard to earn,so easy to lose.
705
00:41:48,542 --> 00:41:50,500
If the US systemdepends on trust
706
00:41:50,583 --> 00:41:52,500
in democratic institutions,
707
00:41:52,583 --> 00:41:55,583
who benefits if Americanslose that trust?
708
00:41:58,208 --> 00:41:59,959
TROLL ACTOR:
Is it Vladimir Putin?
709
00:42:01,417 --> 00:42:03,625
Oh, my gosh, I--I can't believe it.
710
00:42:06,166 --> 00:42:08,417
ALEX: In Russia, Putin has builta political system
711
00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:11,333
that dependson personal loyalty.
712
00:42:11,417 --> 00:42:13,917
Putin can claim thatthe trolls didn't work for him.
713
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,291
That's true.
714
00:42:15,375 --> 00:42:16,625
But they do his bidding
715
00:42:16,709 --> 00:42:19,375
because they work for someonehe trusts to serve him.
716
00:42:19,458 --> 00:42:20,917
Literally.
717
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,667
He is Yevgeny Prigozhin,a former hot dog salesman
718
00:42:24,750 --> 00:42:26,875
who worked his wayup the Kremlin food chain
719
00:42:26,959 --> 00:42:29,166
and earned the nickname"Putin's Chef."
720
00:42:32,125 --> 00:42:35,375
WALLANDER: It didn't surprise methat Prigozhin had been
721
00:42:35,458 --> 00:42:38,083
the source of funding forthe Internet Research Agency,
722
00:42:38,166 --> 00:42:39,959
given thathe had been involved in
723
00:42:40,041 --> 00:42:42,875
some other
favored Putin operations.
724
00:42:42,959 --> 00:42:45,041
He was a go-to guy.
725
00:42:45,125 --> 00:42:47,542
REPORTER: This is a verypowerful Russian businessman
726
00:42:47,625 --> 00:42:49,792
who allegedly is very closeto Vladimir Putin.
727
00:42:49,875 --> 00:42:53,083
Behind a troll factory operating
out of St. Petersburg.
728
00:42:53,166 --> 00:42:55,041
(RUSSIAN NEWSCASTERS
OVERLAPPING)
729
00:42:55,125 --> 00:42:56,959
ALEX: Prigozhin is well-knownin Russia
730
00:42:57,041 --> 00:42:58,667
for his close ties to Putin.
731
00:42:58,750 --> 00:43:01,041
But his hidden webof business relationships
732
00:43:01,125 --> 00:43:02,291
is hard to penetrate.
733
00:43:02,375 --> 00:43:05,333
He wouldn't speak to usand refuses most interviews.
734
00:43:05,417 --> 00:43:08,291
When he does talk,he denies any wrongdoing.
735
00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:11,542
To solve the mysterysurrounding the man,
736
00:43:11,625 --> 00:43:14,000
we sought outthe former cop turned journalist
737
00:43:14,083 --> 00:43:16,667
who's been tracking Prigozhinfor years.
738
00:43:17,500 --> 00:43:19,834
(INDISTINCT CHATTER OVER RADIO)
739
00:43:21,375 --> 00:43:25,667
DENIS KOROTKOV: (IN RUSSIAN)
740
00:44:23,458 --> 00:44:25,375
♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
741
00:44:42,041 --> 00:44:43,709
JAVIER: Have you ever eaten
at BlinDonald's?
742
00:44:47,417 --> 00:44:48,458
(CHUCKLES)
743
00:44:48,542 --> 00:44:50,917
You should try it.
It's very tasty.
744
00:44:52,417 --> 00:44:54,458
He also hadthis famous restaurant
745
00:44:54,542 --> 00:44:56,834
called Russkiy Kitsch.
746
00:44:56,917 --> 00:44:59,709
All the Russian stereotypeswere gathered in one place.
747
00:44:59,792 --> 00:45:02,417
It was just a museumof Russian stereotypes.
748
00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:05,417
And also he had someluxury restaurants.
749
00:45:06,250 --> 00:45:09,250
ANDREY ZAKHAROV: (IN ENGLISH)
750
00:45:17,625 --> 00:45:20,709
SOSHNIKOV: Many Western leadersvisited St. Petersburg.
751
00:45:20,792 --> 00:45:23,125
There is one famous picture,for example,
752
00:45:23,208 --> 00:45:25,458
of Yevgeny Prigozhinand George Bush.
753
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,291
KOROTKOV: (IN RUSSIAN)
754
00:45:42,542 --> 00:45:44,959
JAVIER: Have you ever met
Yevgeny Prigozhin?
755
00:45:45,041 --> 00:45:46,959
Yeah. I met him several times.
756
00:45:47,041 --> 00:45:50,125
During dinners with Putinbecause he usually serves them.
757
00:45:50,959 --> 00:45:51,959
(CAMERA CLICKS)
758
00:45:52,041 --> 00:45:53,291
JAVIER: What is he like,out of curiosity?
759
00:45:53,375 --> 00:45:54,291
SIMONYAN: I don't know.
760
00:45:54,375 --> 00:45:57,125
He's the man who servesnice food,
761
00:45:57,208 --> 00:45:59,417
and you can ask him,"What is this made of?"
762
00:45:59,500 --> 00:46:01,500
And he says, "It's veal."
763
00:46:01,583 --> 00:46:02,750
JAVIER: Is the food good?
764
00:46:02,834 --> 00:46:05,458
Yeah. The food is good.
The food is good.
765
00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:10,000
ZAKHAROV: (IN ENGLISH)
766
00:46:15,166 --> 00:46:17,542
(IN RUSSIAN)
767
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:22,166
REPORTER:
768
00:46:29,625 --> 00:46:32,083
ALEX: Prigozhin kept failing up.
769
00:46:32,166 --> 00:46:34,458
After deliveringsubpar school lunches,
770
00:46:34,542 --> 00:46:36,250
he was mysteriously awarded
771
00:46:36,333 --> 00:46:38,333
bigger and biggergovernment contracts
772
00:46:38,417 --> 00:46:40,375
for servicesincluding construction,
773
00:46:40,458 --> 00:46:42,792
sanitation, and utilities.
774
00:46:42,875 --> 00:46:44,667
Investigators discoveredhis ties
775
00:46:44,750 --> 00:46:47,166
to a webof hundreds of enterprises,
776
00:46:47,250 --> 00:46:49,458
loosely connectedto a holding company
777
00:46:49,542 --> 00:46:53,625
owned by Prigozhinand his mother, called Concord.
778
00:46:53,709 --> 00:46:56,458
Concord eventually gotlucrative catering contracts
779
00:46:56,542 --> 00:46:58,083
for the Russian armed forces.
780
00:46:59,375 --> 00:47:01,834
(LAUGHTER)
781
00:47:01,917 --> 00:47:06,583
Concord is very sophisticated
and big networks of companies
782
00:47:06,667 --> 00:47:08,542
under controlof Yevgeny Prigozhin.
783
00:47:10,250 --> 00:47:13,375
He receives lots of moneyfrom public procurement
784
00:47:13,458 --> 00:47:17,834
and then he can investthis money wherever he wants.
785
00:47:17,917 --> 00:47:21,834
He wants to establisha troll farm? Okay.
786
00:47:21,917 --> 00:47:25,250
He wants to establisha private military company?
787
00:47:25,333 --> 00:47:27,750
Okay.There's always money for that.
788
00:47:28,750 --> 00:47:33,125
(IN RUSSIAN)
789
00:47:44,583 --> 00:47:46,792
WALLANDER:
Prigozhin rose with Putin.
790
00:47:46,875 --> 00:47:50,917
Owes his position,his wealth, his protection,
791
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,458
to his relationship with Putin.
792
00:47:52,542 --> 00:47:56,041
And those are the people
who matter in Putin's Russia.
793
00:47:58,375 --> 00:48:01,583
Someone who really needsto deliver,
794
00:48:01,667 --> 00:48:04,208
because if you don't deliver,all that wealth
795
00:48:04,291 --> 00:48:05,375
and all that power
796
00:48:05,458 --> 00:48:07,083
and all that protectiongoes away.
797
00:48:08,125 --> 00:48:09,208
It makes perfect sense
798
00:48:09,291 --> 00:48:11,875
in termsof mitigating vulnerability
799
00:48:11,959 --> 00:48:14,417
and keeping controlof an operation.
800
00:48:15,625 --> 00:48:20,291
NULAND: Putin will use folksover whom he has influence.
801
00:48:20,375 --> 00:48:22,291
(IN RUSSIAN ACCENT) You do
a little bit of this for me,
802
00:48:22,375 --> 00:48:25,750
and we will do
a little bit of that for you.
803
00:48:25,834 --> 00:48:27,458
(IN NORMAL VOICE)
And particularly, if they're not
804
00:48:27,542 --> 00:48:31,583
part of the formal
intelligence apparat,
805
00:48:31,667 --> 00:48:35,542
then he has deniability
when things go wrong.
806
00:48:35,625 --> 00:48:38,208
Putin has developedwhat I would call
807
00:48:38,291 --> 00:48:41,375
-the franchise model.
-(SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN)
808
00:48:41,458 --> 00:48:44,917
That also gives you
a thousand flowers blooming.
809
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,458
You can try lots
of different things,
810
00:48:47,542 --> 00:48:49,125
throw lots of spaghettion the wall,
811
00:48:49,208 --> 00:48:50,500
and see what's effective.
812
00:48:52,375 --> 00:48:54,041
-(LAUGHTER)
-ALEX: Some projects,
813
00:48:54,125 --> 00:48:57,000
like the troll factory,generate political support.
814
00:48:58,208 --> 00:49:00,375
Others take a morephysical approach
815
00:49:00,458 --> 00:49:02,375
to doing the Kremlin'sdirty work.
816
00:49:03,417 --> 00:49:05,333
(INDISTINCT RADIO CHATTER)
817
00:49:07,375 --> 00:49:13,125
KOROTKOV: (IN RUSSIAN)
818
00:49:53,667 --> 00:49:55,583
(IN RUSSIAN)
819
00:49:56,417 --> 00:49:57,834
(CAMERAMAN CHUCKLING)
820
00:49:58,875 --> 00:50:01,834
KOROTKOV:
821
00:50:12,792 --> 00:50:14,875
SOLDIER: (IN RUSSIAN)
822
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:19,041
(CHUCKLES)
823
00:50:29,375 --> 00:50:32,375
ZAKHAROV: (IN ENGLISH)
824
00:50:42,959 --> 00:50:45,959
KOROTKOV: (IN RUSSIAN)
825
00:51:21,667 --> 00:51:24,917
ALEX: It's easy to seewhy Prigozhin was so angry.
826
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,458
Korotkov's reporting exposedhow Prigozhin
827
00:51:27,542 --> 00:51:30,208
used disinformationfrom the troll factory
828
00:51:30,291 --> 00:51:33,083
to soften the groundfor military operations
829
00:51:33,166 --> 00:51:36,041
carried out by his Wagner forcesin Ukraine.
830
00:51:37,166 --> 00:51:41,667
KOROTKOV: (IN RUSSIAN)
831
00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:06,125
WOMAN: (IN RUSSIAN)
832
00:52:06,208 --> 00:52:07,500
(MAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY)
833
00:52:14,417 --> 00:52:16,792
FRANÇOIS:
The St. Petersburg trolls say,
834
00:52:16,875 --> 00:52:19,750
"What we're really doing here
is geopolitical marketing.
835
00:52:19,834 --> 00:52:22,625
Russia's a brand, and we need
to defend our brand."
836
00:52:22,709 --> 00:52:25,750
So, the fact that the IRA
is focused
837
00:52:25,834 --> 00:52:27,709
on the rest of the world,
838
00:52:27,792 --> 00:52:31,208
and not just Russia,
comes in quite quickly.
839
00:52:32,375 --> 00:52:35,375
VITALY BESPALOV: (IN RUSSIAN)
840
00:52:41,500 --> 00:52:42,875
FRANÇOIS:
Some of the specialists
841
00:52:42,959 --> 00:52:44,458
were pretty funny.
842
00:52:44,542 --> 00:52:47,834
And they were usingpop culture references a lot
843
00:52:47,917 --> 00:52:50,875
to build an audience
and to gather followers.
844
00:52:51,667 --> 00:52:52,834
There were definitely things
845
00:52:52,917 --> 00:52:54,291
that they would stealand rebrand,
846
00:52:54,375 --> 00:52:56,792
and there's stuff that's
original IRA creation.
847
00:52:56,875 --> 00:52:57,667
(CHUCKLES)
848
00:52:57,750 --> 00:53:00,125
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
849
00:53:08,583 --> 00:53:10,458
(SPEAKING RUSSIAN)
850
00:53:16,625 --> 00:53:17,750
Obama chmo.
851
00:53:19,250 --> 00:53:20,458
(SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN)
852
00:53:21,041 --> 00:53:23,583
BESPALOV:
853
00:53:24,750 --> 00:53:26,875
It's not all overtly political.
854
00:53:26,959 --> 00:53:29,917
Some of it startsas wacky and fun.
855
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,458
♪ ("SPIDERMAN" BY ALEX WASTEN
PLAYING IN RUSSIAN) ♪
856
00:53:36,125 --> 00:53:38,000
SOSHNIKOV: The guyin the Spiderman costume,
857
00:53:38,083 --> 00:53:40,208
running around the streetsof St. Petersburg
858
00:53:40,291 --> 00:53:41,667
and harassing people,
859
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:43,959
saying rude things to people.
860
00:53:44,041 --> 00:53:47,083
And in the end,
it appears he's Barack Obama.
861
00:53:48,250 --> 00:53:51,000
(SPEAKING RUSSIAN)
862
00:53:51,083 --> 00:53:52,792
(PUNCHING SOUND EFFECTS)
863
00:53:55,583 --> 00:53:57,792
♪ (SONG CONCLUDES) ♪
864
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,208
Some people who worked
for the IRA were thinking,
865
00:54:02,291 --> 00:54:03,500
"I signed up for a job
866
00:54:03,583 --> 00:54:06,625
in which I was just basicallydoing digital content.
867
00:54:06,709 --> 00:54:11,000
And I woke up in some
James Bond espionage shit."
868
00:54:13,291 --> 00:54:15,625
BESPALOV: (IN RUSSIAN)
869
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,041
(COMPUTER BEEPS)
870
00:54:25,917 --> 00:54:28,375
BESPALOV:
871
00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:34,583
FRANÇOIS: They startProject Translator,
872
00:54:34,667 --> 00:54:36,458
which is the IRA's department
873
00:54:36,542 --> 00:54:38,208
that's focused on the US.
874
00:54:38,291 --> 00:54:41,417
It's trying to figure out
what types of narratives work
875
00:54:41,500 --> 00:54:43,417
in the US.
876
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:47,000
♪ ("AMERICA"
BY SIMON & GARFUNKEL PLAYING) ♪
877
00:54:47,083 --> 00:54:51,083
FRANÇOIS: The entire strategyis to influence
878
00:54:51,166 --> 00:54:53,792
by pretending to be American.
879
00:54:53,875 --> 00:54:59,834
♪ "Kathy," I said as we boardedA Greyhound in Pittsburgh... ♪
880
00:55:01,542 --> 00:55:04,959
And the program coordinators
took trips
881
00:55:05,041 --> 00:55:08,083
to the US
and to very specific cities.
882
00:55:08,166 --> 00:55:12,208
♪ It took me four daysTo hitchhike from Saginaw ♪
883
00:55:12,291 --> 00:55:18,750
♪ I've goneTo look for America ♪
884
00:55:20,166 --> 00:55:25,917
♪ Laughing on the busPlaying games with the faces ♪
885
00:55:27,041 --> 00:55:30,583
♪ She said the manIn the gabardine suit ♪
886
00:55:30,667 --> 00:55:32,667
♪ Was a spy ♪
887
00:55:35,166 --> 00:55:41,125
♪ I said, "Be carefulHis bowtie is really a camera" ♪
888
00:55:41,208 --> 00:55:42,792
FRANÇOIS:
They're not Russian spies,
889
00:55:42,875 --> 00:55:46,583
but they do
intelligence-gathering missions
890
00:55:46,667 --> 00:55:51,083
in order to better tailor
their influence campaign.
891
00:55:51,166 --> 00:55:53,291
Because the IRA startswith a focus
892
00:55:53,375 --> 00:55:56,166
on controlling the Russiandomestic conversation,
893
00:55:56,250 --> 00:55:58,959
it's really good at VKontakte.
894
00:55:59,041 --> 00:56:00,625
It's kind of the Facebookof Russia.
895
00:56:00,709 --> 00:56:02,834
They quickly...
(CHUCKLES) ...realize that,
896
00:56:02,917 --> 00:56:05,083
if we're going to bring this
into America,
897
00:56:05,166 --> 00:56:07,583
we're not gonna go very far
with VKontakte.
898
00:56:07,667 --> 00:56:09,000
(BEEPING)
899
00:56:09,083 --> 00:56:11,583
FRANÇOIS: Regarding Facebook,we know that the IRA had pages,
900
00:56:11,667 --> 00:56:13,083
it had profiles.
901
00:56:13,166 --> 00:56:16,375
We know a lotof what the IRA did on Twitter.
902
00:56:16,458 --> 00:56:18,500
We know they liked YouTube.
903
00:56:18,583 --> 00:56:21,875
We also know that the IRAcame to love Instagram.
904
00:56:21,959 --> 00:56:23,542
We know that they used Reddit.
905
00:56:23,625 --> 00:56:25,375
We knowthat they used Pinterest.
906
00:56:25,458 --> 00:56:30,125
They really were constantlytesting new platforms
907
00:56:30,208 --> 00:56:32,750
and adjusting their strategies.
908
00:56:37,166 --> 00:56:38,375
This is Jenna Abrams.
909
00:56:38,458 --> 00:56:42,417
On the face of it,
she is a woman in her mid-30s
910
00:56:42,500 --> 00:56:46,000
and she claims she lives
on Main Street, USA.
911
00:56:46,083 --> 00:56:48,166
But of course,
she's not a real person.
912
00:56:48,250 --> 00:56:49,375
When Jenna tweets,
913
00:56:49,458 --> 00:56:53,291
it's actually a team
of specialists in St. Petersburg
914
00:56:53,375 --> 00:56:57,250
who are crafting this persona
and thinking,
915
00:56:57,333 --> 00:56:59,125
"What should Jenna
be saying today?
916
00:56:59,208 --> 00:57:00,875
Is it-- Is it a racist tweet,
917
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,375
or is it, like,
a Kim Kardashian joke?"
918
00:57:03,458 --> 00:57:07,083
And they create this sort of
mix of pop culture references
919
00:57:07,166 --> 00:57:10,500
and damagingpolitical commentary.
920
00:57:10,583 --> 00:57:14,458
She was mostly designed to speakto conservative audiences.
921
00:57:14,542 --> 00:57:17,542
And she has quite a lotof followers online.
922
00:57:17,625 --> 00:57:20,959
She has about 70,000 followerson her Twitter.
923
00:57:21,041 --> 00:57:22,917
So she is in a position
924
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,583
to actually shape
the political discourse
925
00:57:25,667 --> 00:57:28,834
because of how well
she has embedded herself
926
00:57:28,917 --> 00:57:33,000
within the fabric of
American political discussions.
927
00:57:33,083 --> 00:57:35,083
That is also how she managed
928
00:57:35,166 --> 00:57:38,375
to get into actual
mainstream media.
929
00:57:38,458 --> 00:57:40,417
People would say,"Yes," like, you know,
930
00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:43,583
"Political activist Jenna Abramssaid on the internet..."
931
00:57:43,667 --> 00:57:45,041
Of course, they had no idea
932
00:57:45,125 --> 00:57:47,709
that there was no such person
as Jenna Abrams
933
00:57:47,792 --> 00:57:51,583
and this was not a real
conservative American activist
934
00:57:51,667 --> 00:57:53,583
from Main Street, USA.
935
00:57:56,917 --> 00:58:00,500
They used social mediato talk to people directly
936
00:58:00,583 --> 00:58:02,125
in private messages.
937
00:58:02,208 --> 00:58:05,250
They used social mediato contact campaign officials
938
00:58:05,333 --> 00:58:08,000
that they were havingconversations with.
939
00:58:08,083 --> 00:58:11,583
They also used social mediato talk to activists.
940
00:58:11,667 --> 00:58:13,667
We have this idea
that all the content
941
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:18,583
that the troll put out was fake
or wrong or bad,
942
00:58:18,667 --> 00:58:22,000
but, you know, the trolls
also amplified content
943
00:58:22,083 --> 00:58:23,625
that they've stolen
from elsewhere,
944
00:58:23,709 --> 00:58:26,000
which is things that peopleactually believed in
945
00:58:26,083 --> 00:58:27,542
and resonated with.
946
00:58:29,250 --> 00:58:30,500
Before the election,
947
00:58:30,583 --> 00:58:33,458
they were focused
on specific issues.
948
00:58:33,542 --> 00:58:35,041
And they realized that,
949
00:58:35,125 --> 00:58:38,667
if you wanted to make
those issues divisive
950
00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:40,875
and hurtful for America,
951
00:58:40,959 --> 00:58:44,625
you needed to have a hand
in both sides of the issue.
952
00:58:50,291 --> 00:58:52,166
They're designing conflict
953
00:58:52,250 --> 00:58:56,542
between polarized groupsin America online,
954
00:58:56,625 --> 00:58:57,834
but also offline.
955
00:58:57,917 --> 00:59:00,959
And so, they conduct
protests in the US.
956
00:59:02,458 --> 00:59:04,750
(PROTESTERS CLAMORING)
957
00:59:04,834 --> 00:59:06,917
FRANÇOIS:
When they organize a protest,
958
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,375
they reach out to one group,
959
00:59:09,458 --> 00:59:11,667
and make sure thaton the other side of the street,
960
00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:12,750
there's another group
961
00:59:12,834 --> 00:59:15,583
who's gonna dothe exact opposite position.
962
00:59:15,667 --> 00:59:19,083
All these things are instruments
of white supremacy.
963
00:59:19,166 --> 00:59:22,709
FRANÇOIS: Online, when they talkabout immigration, for instance,
964
00:59:22,792 --> 00:59:23,875
they encourage messages
965
00:59:23,959 --> 00:59:27,875
that are inflammatoryagainst immigration.
966
00:59:27,959 --> 00:59:31,875
But they also encourage,in the same stroke,
967
00:59:31,959 --> 00:59:35,875
pro-immigration messagesand campaigns.
968
00:59:35,959 --> 00:59:39,500
And then, they havean anti-immigration group
969
00:59:39,583 --> 00:59:41,375
do a demonstration,
970
00:59:41,458 --> 00:59:43,542
and a pro-immigration group
971
00:59:43,625 --> 00:59:47,083
do a demonstrationon the very same street,
972
00:59:47,166 --> 00:59:48,875
on the same day.
973
00:59:48,959 --> 00:59:50,917
REPORTER: The anti-Muslimprotesters were responding
974
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,834
to an event called"Stop Islamization of Texas."
975
00:59:53,917 --> 00:59:55,625
It was organizedby a Facebook group
976
00:59:55,709 --> 00:59:58,792
named Heart of Texas,generated by Russia.
977
00:59:58,875 --> 01:00:01,375
Posts on the Facebook event pagethreatened to, quote,
978
01:00:01,458 --> 01:00:03,917
"Blow this place up."
979
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,208
FRANÇOIS: They're designingfor violence.
980
01:00:06,291 --> 01:00:08,041
They've done their research,
981
01:00:08,125 --> 01:00:11,875
and so the content they curate
and how they behave online
982
01:00:11,959 --> 01:00:17,625
is unfortunately a reflection
of how polarized
983
01:00:17,709 --> 01:00:21,625
the actual online politicalconversation was at that time.
984
01:00:21,709 --> 01:00:24,083
Of course they picked
the most egregious parts
985
01:00:24,166 --> 01:00:26,208
of the content
and the most divisive ones,
986
01:00:26,291 --> 01:00:30,417
but they're not injecting
in that bloodstream
987
01:00:30,500 --> 01:00:33,542
anything that
wasn't already there.
988
01:00:33,625 --> 01:00:37,500
They're really holding a mirrorto our face.
989
01:00:37,583 --> 01:00:39,542
ALEX: It's hard to lookin the mirror.
990
01:00:39,625 --> 01:00:42,250
It's even harder when youdon't like what you see.
991
01:00:43,375 --> 01:00:44,750
White power!
992
01:00:45,709 --> 01:00:47,041
ALEX: The trolls had spent years
993
01:00:47,125 --> 01:00:49,875
tracking the divisionsin American society.
994
01:00:49,959 --> 01:00:51,792
They knew that immigrationand race
995
01:00:51,875 --> 01:00:53,625
were twoof our deepest wounds.
996
01:00:53,709 --> 01:00:55,208
PROTESTERS:
997
01:00:55,291 --> 01:00:58,959
Hands up! Don't shoot!Hands up! Don't shoot!
998
01:00:59,041 --> 01:01:01,959
ALEX: Their fake personasexploited the very real horror
999
01:01:02,041 --> 01:01:04,625
of police violenceagainst African Americans.
1000
01:01:04,709 --> 01:01:06,208
-ERIC GARNER:
Don't touch me, please.
-(BLEEP)
1001
01:01:06,291 --> 01:01:08,375
-Don't touch me.
-(BLEEP)
1002
01:01:11,417 --> 01:01:13,500
ALEX: On the anniversaryof the brutal killing
1003
01:01:13,583 --> 01:01:16,083
of Eric Garnerby the New York City Police,
1004
01:01:16,166 --> 01:01:18,542
the trolls tried to exploitGarner's memory
1005
01:01:18,625 --> 01:01:22,000
to call on Americans not to voteto reform the system
1006
01:01:22,083 --> 01:01:24,333
but to tear it down.
1007
01:01:24,417 --> 01:01:27,083
FRANÇOIS: If you take a grouplike BlackMattersUS,
1008
01:01:27,166 --> 01:01:28,959
it had a page on Facebook,
1009
01:01:29,041 --> 01:01:31,542
but also a Twitter account.It had a website.
1010
01:01:31,625 --> 01:01:35,875
They were slowly gaining
influence and traction.
1011
01:01:35,959 --> 01:01:38,834
And they became key assets
1012
01:01:38,917 --> 01:01:42,583
used to manipulateAmerican audiences.
1013
01:01:44,291 --> 01:01:48,125
When they target
the Black community in the US,
1014
01:01:48,208 --> 01:01:51,542
they craft messages saying,
"Hey, we shouldn't vote."
1015
01:01:54,542 --> 01:01:56,542
ALEX: There's nothingmore undemocratic
1016
01:01:56,625 --> 01:01:58,750
than convincing peoplenot to vote.
1017
01:01:58,834 --> 01:02:00,583
But for the trolls,voter suppression
1018
01:02:00,667 --> 01:02:03,959
was a pragmatic strategyintended to hurt Clinton.
1019
01:02:04,750 --> 01:02:06,000
And it may have worked.
1020
01:02:06,625 --> 01:02:07,667
In Detroit, Michigan,
1021
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:10,375
a city dominatedby black Democratic voters,
1022
01:02:10,458 --> 01:02:16,875
75,000 people who had turned outfor Obama, stayed home in 2016.
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01:02:16,959 --> 01:02:19,000
Clinton lostthat key swing state
1024
01:02:19,083 --> 01:02:20,792
by only 10,000 votes.
1025
01:02:23,375 --> 01:02:26,458
(BEEPING)
1026
01:02:32,458 --> 01:02:35,959
JAVIER: In terms of trolling,
was it effective?
1027
01:02:36,041 --> 01:02:38,166
You're asking me a question.
"Whether there is life--
1028
01:02:38,250 --> 01:02:42,583
If there is life on Mars,
do you think they have babies
1029
01:02:42,667 --> 01:02:44,625
after nine months of pregnancy
or 12?"
1030
01:02:44,709 --> 01:02:46,041
I don't know
if there's life on Mars.
1031
01:02:46,125 --> 01:02:48,250
How can I possibly think of
how they give birth? (CHUCKLES)
1032
01:02:48,333 --> 01:02:51,667
I don't know what these kids
thought or didn't think,
1033
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:52,709
or why they worked there,
1034
01:02:52,792 --> 01:02:54,667
because I don't know
if they ever did.
1035
01:02:55,333 --> 01:02:57,709
(IN RUSSIAN)
1036
01:03:19,709 --> 01:03:22,542
BESPALOV: (IN RUSSIAN)
1037
01:03:51,166 --> 01:03:53,792
REPORTER: (IN RUSSIAN)
1038
01:03:53,875 --> 01:03:56,291
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDS)
1039
01:03:56,375 --> 01:03:59,417
(IN RUSSIAN)
1040
01:04:03,250 --> 01:04:05,250
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDS)
1041
01:04:05,333 --> 01:04:08,417
(IN ENGLISH) I don't know
whether it was done or wasn't.
1042
01:04:09,208 --> 01:04:10,333
But, uh, apparently,
1043
01:04:10,417 --> 01:04:12,667
even the people
who think it was done
1044
01:04:12,750 --> 01:04:16,291
see it as
a hugely ineffective operation.
1045
01:04:18,125 --> 01:04:21,834
FRANÇOIS: It's not a simpleanswer to just assess the impact
1046
01:04:21,917 --> 01:04:24,166
on the result of the vote.
1047
01:04:24,250 --> 01:04:26,375
It's not something
you can just compute.
1048
01:04:27,583 --> 01:04:29,667
We know the IRA was pleasedwith themselves,
1049
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:32,625
but we also know thatthey had all the incentives
1050
01:04:32,709 --> 01:04:35,166
to celebrate this as a victory.
1051
01:04:35,250 --> 01:04:38,709
(SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN)
...Donald Trump.
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01:04:38,792 --> 01:04:40,875
FRANÇOIS: We knowfrom the Senate report
1053
01:04:40,959 --> 01:04:43,875
that when election nightcame through,
1054
01:04:43,959 --> 01:04:47,041
they uncorked champagne,and toasted,
1055
01:04:47,125 --> 01:04:49,458
saying that they had"made America great."
1056
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:52,208
How do you evaluate
1057
01:04:52,291 --> 01:04:54,709
whether the IRA was a successor not?
1058
01:04:54,792 --> 01:04:56,709
If you ask that, you have to
ask yourself, like,
1059
01:04:56,792 --> 01:04:58,792
"Who's the audience of the IRA?"
1060
01:04:59,959 --> 01:05:02,583
They also had
internal stakeholders.
1061
01:05:03,417 --> 01:05:06,041
The moral panic that unfolded
1062
01:05:06,125 --> 01:05:08,458
around Russian trollingin America
1063
01:05:08,542 --> 01:05:12,792
in itself is a strategic winfor the organization.
1064
01:05:14,792 --> 01:05:18,041
ALEX: After the election,a source provided us with chats
1065
01:05:18,125 --> 01:05:20,542
from insidePregozhin's organization
1066
01:05:20,625 --> 01:05:23,125
in which key executivesdiscussed the best way
1067
01:05:23,208 --> 01:05:27,083
to promote the accomplishmentsof the trolls' work in the US.
1068
01:05:27,166 --> 01:05:30,500
The reports boastedtheir numbers state by state.
1069
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,291
(REPORTER SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN)
1070
01:05:35,375 --> 01:05:36,917
TRANSLATOR:
"The Heart of Texas Group,
1071
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,834
the largest internet resourceon the theme of secession.
1072
01:05:40,917 --> 01:05:43,750
It had an audienceof about 300,000 people.
1073
01:05:43,834 --> 01:05:46,208
-(REPORTER SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN)
-TRANSLATOR: Atlanta.
1074
01:05:46,291 --> 01:05:50,709
African Americans make up54 percent of its population.
1075
01:05:50,792 --> 01:05:55,709
Our Williams and Kalvin resourcehad 123,000 subscribers."
1076
01:05:55,792 --> 01:05:58,959
(REPORTER SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN)
1077
01:05:59,041 --> 01:06:01,208
TRANSLATOR:
"BlackMattersUS dot com
1078
01:06:01,291 --> 01:06:03,709
had more than500,000 subscribers."
1079
01:06:03,792 --> 01:06:05,375
(REPORTER SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN)
1080
01:06:05,458 --> 01:06:07,458
TRANSLATOR: "Company workinfluenced the opinions
1081
01:06:07,542 --> 01:06:09,917
of citizens in swing states.
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01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,583
Florida, Pennsylvania,Wisconsin.
1083
01:06:12,667 --> 01:06:15,709
Trump received59 electoral votes."
1084
01:06:17,375 --> 01:06:22,417
ZAKHAROV: (IN ENGLISH)
1085
01:06:48,083 --> 01:06:50,041
KOROTKOV: (IN RUSSIAN)
1086
01:08:07,500 --> 01:08:11,709
♪ ("SUMMER"
BY MIKE NAUMENKO PLAYING) ♪
1087
01:08:19,166 --> 01:08:22,417
FRANÇOIS: In 2016,you still see that the IRA
1088
01:08:22,500 --> 01:08:26,750
is a strategic blind spotin America's understanding
1089
01:08:26,834 --> 01:08:29,208
of what really happenedwith the election.
1090
01:08:31,917 --> 01:08:34,917
We want to think about itin terms of volume, right?
1091
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,625
Like, "How much did they troll?"
1092
01:08:37,709 --> 01:08:39,792
The thing
that's more fascinating
1093
01:08:39,875 --> 01:08:42,417
is to see them experiment
1094
01:08:42,500 --> 01:08:45,166
with different techniques
of trolling.
1095
01:08:45,250 --> 01:08:49,291
How does it look like to do thistrolling on different platforms?
1096
01:08:49,375 --> 01:08:52,291
How does it look liketo do this trolling hand-in-hand
1097
01:08:52,375 --> 01:08:53,792
with hacking information
1098
01:08:53,875 --> 01:08:57,166
and more seriouscyber operations?
1099
01:08:57,250 --> 01:09:00,875
There's no evidence to suggestthat the IRA
1100
01:09:00,959 --> 01:09:05,291
ever did the hacking themselves,or, frankly, was able to do so.
1101
01:09:05,375 --> 01:09:07,750
So it bears the question,who's doing the hacking
1102
01:09:07,834 --> 01:09:10,291
and how closelydoes the IRA coordinate
1103
01:09:10,375 --> 01:09:12,333
with the hackerson the other side?
1104
01:09:17,083 --> 01:09:19,417
ALEX: The troll operationwas ambitious.
1105
01:09:19,500 --> 01:09:22,709
It lasted for yearsand had clear goals.
1106
01:09:22,792 --> 01:09:23,875
But during the campaign,
1107
01:09:23,959 --> 01:09:25,959
the trolling operationwas almost invisible
1108
01:09:26,041 --> 01:09:27,667
to those Americanswho were tasked
1109
01:09:27,750 --> 01:09:29,959
with protecting the country.
1110
01:09:30,041 --> 01:09:33,000
The national security expertsinside the White House
1111
01:09:33,083 --> 01:09:35,583
were focused on a differentkind of internet threat.
1112
01:09:36,500 --> 01:09:38,333
But instead of being writtenin memes,
1113
01:09:38,417 --> 01:09:39,750
it was written in code.
1114
01:09:42,375 --> 01:09:43,417
(BEEP)
1115
01:09:47,208 --> 01:09:50,375
REPORTER 1:
The hacking of DemocraticNational Committee emails,
1116
01:09:50,458 --> 01:09:52,417
experts say,by the Russian government...
1117
01:09:52,500 --> 01:09:54,709
REPORTER 2: As you know,somebody hackedinto the DNC computer...
1118
01:09:54,792 --> 01:09:55,959
REPORTER 3:
The latest stolen email...
1119
01:09:56,041 --> 01:09:57,417
REPORTER 4:
Another batch of stolen emails,
1120
01:09:57,500 --> 01:09:59,125
-published today...
-REPORTER 5: Hacked emails
1121
01:09:59,208 --> 01:10:00,125
and other information.
1122
01:10:00,208 --> 01:10:01,458
REPORTER 6:
...the avalanche of emails
1123
01:10:01,542 --> 01:10:02,834
that continue to come out.
1124
01:10:02,917 --> 01:10:04,166
REPORTER 7:
We have new details now
1125
01:10:04,250 --> 01:10:05,834
on that email hack at the DNC.
1126
01:10:05,917 --> 01:10:07,375
REPORTER 8: ...inside lookat the machinations
1127
01:10:07,458 --> 01:10:10,834
of the Democratic Party machineare all online
1128
01:10:10,917 --> 01:10:12,083
for the world to see.
1129
01:10:14,083 --> 01:10:15,125
(BEEPING)
1130
01:10:16,875 --> 01:10:20,625
ALEX: Would you walk me throughthe hack into the DNC in 2016?
1131
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:21,917
MICHAEL DANIEL: Sure.
1132
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:25,041
Imagine that you areRussian intelligence services
1133
01:10:25,125 --> 01:10:28,542
trying to get accessto the DNC network.
1134
01:10:28,625 --> 01:10:31,250
The first thing you might tryto do is get someone to the DNC
1135
01:10:31,333 --> 01:10:33,625
to give you their usernameand password,
1136
01:10:33,709 --> 01:10:37,875
so you can log into the network
using those stolen credentials.
1137
01:10:37,959 --> 01:10:40,166
(BEEPING)
1138
01:10:40,250 --> 01:10:41,875
DANIEL: And then,what you're going to do
1139
01:10:41,959 --> 01:10:43,917
is reconnaissance.
1140
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:45,500
What does this networklook like?
1141
01:10:45,583 --> 01:10:48,041
What kind of security softwareis it running?
1142
01:10:48,125 --> 01:10:51,792
And, based on that,
you will customize malware
1143
01:10:51,875 --> 01:10:54,041
that you will install
on that system.
1144
01:10:54,125 --> 01:10:57,417
They had a--
a particular malware product
1145
01:10:57,500 --> 01:10:59,625
we knew as X-Agent.
1146
01:10:59,709 --> 01:11:03,041
They could do screenshotsof what you were doing.
1147
01:11:03,125 --> 01:11:05,250
They could do keystroking.
1148
01:11:05,333 --> 01:11:08,709
You're sitting there,typing on your computer,
1149
01:11:08,792 --> 01:11:11,208
and someone's literallyseeing it.
1150
01:11:11,291 --> 01:11:12,417
It's coming up on their screen
1151
01:11:12,500 --> 01:11:15,291
as if it's coming up
on your screen.
1152
01:11:15,375 --> 01:11:17,750
DANIEL: You're gonna beginmoving through the network
1153
01:11:17,834 --> 01:11:21,750
to other machines and servers,looking for information.
1154
01:11:21,834 --> 01:11:24,500
And then you will extract thatfrom the network
1155
01:11:24,583 --> 01:11:26,917
without being detected.
1156
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,333
Maybe a network that you'retrying to get into
1157
01:11:29,417 --> 01:11:31,750
has a rule on its firewall
that says,
1158
01:11:31,834 --> 01:11:36,166
"Yeah, if it's an IP address
from Russia, maybe not."
1159
01:11:37,542 --> 01:11:39,959
So then what you might tryto do is connect to...
1160
01:11:40,041 --> 01:11:41,792
probably to something herein the United States.
1161
01:11:41,875 --> 01:11:44,083
And then use that to connectto another server
1162
01:11:44,166 --> 01:11:45,917
and maybe to another server,and from there,
1163
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:47,166
you're gonna move it back
1164
01:11:47,250 --> 01:11:50,709
to wherever you are conductingyour operations from.
1165
01:11:50,792 --> 01:11:53,250
Most of the advanced actorsout there,
1166
01:11:53,333 --> 01:11:56,333
they use a combination
of off-the-shelf
1167
01:11:56,417 --> 01:11:59,709
commercial tools that you can
buy from other criminal groups
1168
01:11:59,792 --> 01:12:03,375
and custom malware
that they write themselves.
1169
01:12:03,458 --> 01:12:06,625
Sometimes these tools,if they're highly customized,
1170
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:10,083
that's almost like a fingerprintfor, you know, malicious actors,
1171
01:12:10,166 --> 01:12:11,875
and it's very hard to fake that.
1172
01:12:11,959 --> 01:12:13,041
And in this case,
1173
01:12:13,125 --> 01:12:15,166
when we assembledall of that information up
1174
01:12:15,250 --> 01:12:18,667
and you looked at the potentialalternatives and other things...
1175
01:12:18,750 --> 01:12:21,500
the most likely result was thatit was in fact the Russians
1176
01:12:21,583 --> 01:12:23,291
carrying out those operations.
1177
01:12:29,917 --> 01:12:32,917
ALEX: Using warrantsand open source tools,
1178
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,208
an FBI cyber unit identified
1179
01:12:35,291 --> 01:12:37,583
the fingerprintsof Russian servers
1180
01:12:37,667 --> 01:12:40,667
and tracked Russian operators,in real time,
1181
01:12:40,750 --> 01:12:43,875
on their networksand through social media.
1182
01:12:43,959 --> 01:12:48,333
Emails with fake links were sentby Aleksey Lukashev.
1183
01:12:48,417 --> 01:12:51,667
Nikolay Kozachek,callsign "Cossack,"
1184
01:12:51,750 --> 01:12:54,792
rented servers in Illinoisand Arizona.
1185
01:12:54,875 --> 01:12:59,000
Artem Malyshev installedan updated version of X-Agent.
1186
01:12:59,083 --> 01:13:03,041
Ivan Yermakov burrowedinto the flimsy security systems
1187
01:13:03,125 --> 01:13:04,875
of the Democratic Partynetworks,
1188
01:13:04,959 --> 01:13:09,208
then built digital tunnelsto exfiltrate troves of data.
1189
01:13:09,291 --> 01:13:10,625
All told, they harvested
1190
01:13:10,709 --> 01:13:12,542
hundreds of thousandsof documents,
1191
01:13:12,625 --> 01:13:15,750
including fundraising recordsand opposition research.
1192
01:13:16,792 --> 01:13:19,250
But stealing secretswas nothing new.
1193
01:13:21,291 --> 01:13:23,875
DANIEL: Espionage is partof international relations.
1194
01:13:23,959 --> 01:13:27,125
It always has been,and it always will be.
1195
01:13:27,208 --> 01:13:30,208
We conduct espionage as well,across the world.
1196
01:13:30,291 --> 01:13:33,041
We are looking forand collecting information
1197
01:13:33,125 --> 01:13:34,458
and bringing that back.
1198
01:13:35,583 --> 01:13:37,583
And so as a government,
1199
01:13:37,667 --> 01:13:40,542
you try to prevent as much
espionage from happening,
1200
01:13:40,625 --> 01:13:42,333
but you don't really get
your nose out of joint
1201
01:13:42,417 --> 01:13:45,667
when-- when it occurs,
because that's the part
1202
01:13:45,750 --> 01:13:48,041
of the normal
international relations process.
1203
01:13:48,125 --> 01:13:49,542
♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
1204
01:13:49,625 --> 01:13:50,667
MAN 1: (IN RUSSIAN)
1205
01:13:50,750 --> 01:13:52,333
MAN 2: (IN RUSSIAN)
1206
01:13:53,041 --> 01:13:54,417
MAN 1:
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01:13:54,500 --> 01:13:57,166
ALEX: For years, countries havesilently spied on each other.
1208
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,583
Sometimes things got violent,
1209
01:13:59,667 --> 01:14:01,208
but that was mostlyin the movies.
1210
01:14:01,291 --> 01:14:02,709
(IN RUSSIAN)
1211
01:14:04,208 --> 01:14:05,542
ALEX: When the internetcame along,
1212
01:14:05,625 --> 01:14:08,041
spy agencies gotinto the hacking business,
1213
01:14:08,125 --> 01:14:10,208
but the old rulesmostly still applied.
1214
01:14:10,959 --> 01:14:12,917
Armed forces fought wars,
1215
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:16,125
while intelligence servicesjust stole secrets.
1216
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:22,250
DAVID HICKTON: Those of uswho are my age remember the KGB.
1217
01:14:22,333 --> 01:14:24,166
Or, if they watch television,
1218
01:14:24,250 --> 01:14:25,917
they remember
the parodies of it.
1219
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,125
In Maxwell Smart,it was called KAOS,
1220
01:14:28,208 --> 01:14:30,834
and in James Bond,it was called Spectre.
1221
01:14:30,917 --> 01:14:32,291
(ALARM BLARING)
1222
01:14:32,375 --> 01:14:35,083
But it's important to talk
about two spy agencies
1223
01:14:35,166 --> 01:14:36,625
in Russia today.
1224
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:38,041
♪ (MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
1225
01:14:38,125 --> 01:14:39,709
DANIEL: There's the GRU,
1226
01:14:39,792 --> 01:14:41,583
which isthe intelligence service
1227
01:14:41,667 --> 01:14:43,709
that worksfor the Russian military.
1228
01:14:44,375 --> 01:14:45,917
And then there's the SVR.
1229
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,917
Typically,the SVR is focused more
1230
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:50,125
on what we would considertraditional espionage.
1231
01:14:50,208 --> 01:14:51,709
INTERVIEWER: More like the CIA?
1232
01:14:51,792 --> 01:14:53,542
More like the CIA, correct.
1233
01:14:54,667 --> 01:14:56,458
WALLANDER:
The SVR is much more
1234
01:14:56,542 --> 01:14:59,834
of a traditionalforeign intelligence service.
1235
01:14:59,917 --> 01:15:04,250
It runs its own agentsthat serve abroad, undercover,
1236
01:15:04,333 --> 01:15:07,291
whether at embassiesor as private citizens.
1237
01:15:07,375 --> 01:15:09,792
And it's an intelligencecollection operation.
1238
01:15:09,875 --> 01:15:14,458
Its job is more to watch
and collect. Not to act.
1239
01:15:15,834 --> 01:15:18,417
The GRUis military intelligence.
1240
01:15:18,500 --> 01:15:19,917
So, to the extent it collects,
1241
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,583
it collects more onAmerican defense capabilities,
1242
01:15:23,667 --> 01:15:25,417
on conflicts.
1243
01:15:25,500 --> 01:15:28,792
The GRU had been sent inearly in Syria.
1244
01:15:28,875 --> 01:15:31,083
The GRU had been oneof the lead agencies
1245
01:15:31,166 --> 01:15:33,542
in the intervention in Ukraine.
1246
01:15:33,625 --> 01:15:36,291
I was told that the GRU
is a little sloppier
1247
01:15:36,375 --> 01:15:39,583
than some of the other
Russian intelligence services.
1248
01:15:39,667 --> 01:15:41,041
(SHOUTS IN RUSSIAN)
1249
01:15:41,125 --> 01:15:43,208
(CHANTING IN RUSSIAN)
1250
01:15:45,583 --> 01:15:46,750
DANIEL: Prior to 2014,
1251
01:15:46,834 --> 01:15:49,709
if you discovered the Russians
in a network,
1252
01:15:49,792 --> 01:15:52,792
uh, they tended to vanish
like ghosts.
1253
01:15:52,875 --> 01:15:55,166
They're very quiet,they're very stealthy.
1254
01:15:55,250 --> 01:15:56,834
They have excellent tradecraft.
1255
01:15:56,917 --> 01:15:58,417
Uh, but starting in 2014,
1256
01:15:58,500 --> 01:16:00,959
they actually became
much more aggressive.
1257
01:16:01,041 --> 01:16:04,583
I think it was a broader shiftin Russian strategic thinking
1258
01:16:04,667 --> 01:16:08,041
about how aggressivethey wanted to be with the West,
1259
01:16:08,125 --> 01:16:10,291
and the United Statesin particular.
1260
01:16:10,375 --> 01:16:12,875
And the GRUis a reflection of that.
1261
01:16:12,959 --> 01:16:14,667
And it's the GRU
that carries out
1262
01:16:14,750 --> 01:16:16,834
more of the activities
that actually generate
1263
01:16:16,917 --> 01:16:19,458
an effect in the physical world.
1264
01:16:22,166 --> 01:16:27,458
The GRU used
the Ukraine invasion in 2014
1265
01:16:27,542 --> 01:16:30,333
as a cyber playground...
1266
01:16:30,417 --> 01:16:34,500
including a power grid attackin December 2015.
1267
01:16:35,500 --> 01:16:36,917
ALEX:
Two days before Christmas,
1268
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,000
the lights went outin Western Ukraine.
1269
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,917
In a displayof Russian cyber power,
1270
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,291
the GRU hackedinto the control systems
1271
01:16:48,375 --> 01:16:50,875
of the Ukrainian power gridand commanded
1272
01:16:50,959 --> 01:16:53,917
distribution centersto shut themselves down...
1273
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:55,250
CONTROL WORKER 1: (IN RUSSIAN)
1274
01:16:55,333 --> 01:16:57,041
CONTROL WORKER 2: (IN RUSSIAN)
1275
01:16:57,125 --> 01:16:59,291
ALEX: ...leaving morethan 200,000 people
1276
01:16:59,375 --> 01:17:00,709
without electricity.
1277
01:17:00,792 --> 01:17:04,208
UKRAINIAN CITIZEN: (IN RUSSIAN)
1278
01:17:10,375 --> 01:17:13,959
DANIEL: The GRU obviously feltlike they had a greater
1279
01:17:14,041 --> 01:17:19,000
degree of freedom operating
in Ukraine than in other places.
1280
01:17:19,083 --> 01:17:21,583
ALEX: Nothing was off limitsfor the GRU.
1281
01:17:21,667 --> 01:17:24,458
A year earlier, it had causedchaos by hacking
1282
01:17:24,542 --> 01:17:27,291
into voting computer systemsduring the election
1283
01:17:27,375 --> 01:17:29,792
to replace President Yanukovych.
1284
01:17:29,875 --> 01:17:33,458
The Russians actually hacked
into the main server
1285
01:17:33,542 --> 01:17:37,625
and, uh, created an outcome
in which a very minor
1286
01:17:37,709 --> 01:17:41,375
nationalist candidatewas portrayed as the winner.
1287
01:17:41,458 --> 01:17:44,417
And they actually broadcast iton their evening news.
1288
01:17:44,500 --> 01:17:48,041
(IN RUSSIAN)
1289
01:17:55,208 --> 01:17:56,834
SNYDER:
Fortunately, the Ukrainian state
1290
01:17:56,917 --> 01:17:58,208
caught up with that.
1291
01:17:58,291 --> 01:18:01,500
They manually counted,they got the right result out.
1292
01:18:01,583 --> 01:18:03,333
But imagine if that had worked.
1293
01:18:03,417 --> 01:18:04,667
(EXPLOSION)
1294
01:18:04,750 --> 01:18:07,333
SNYDER: Russia was tellingthe West over and over again,
1295
01:18:07,417 --> 01:18:09,166
"Ukraine is a bunch of fascists.
1296
01:18:09,250 --> 01:18:10,834
We have to intervene
to defend civilization
1297
01:18:10,917 --> 01:18:12,875
against all of these Nazis
in Ukraine."
1298
01:18:12,959 --> 01:18:15,166
And then you pick out a fascist,and you claim
1299
01:18:15,250 --> 01:18:16,959
that he's wonthe presidential election?
1300
01:18:17,041 --> 01:18:19,583
I mean, even if that had only
worked for a few days,
1301
01:18:19,667 --> 01:18:21,417
imagine how that
would have affected
1302
01:18:21,500 --> 01:18:23,959
our impression of Ukraine.
1303
01:18:24,041 --> 01:18:25,792
ALEX: The cyberattackthat caught the eye
1304
01:18:25,875 --> 01:18:27,917
of US authoritieswas an intrusion
1305
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,125
into a nuclear reactorin Ukraine
1306
01:18:30,208 --> 01:18:33,375
owned by a Pennsylvania company,Westinghouse.
1307
01:18:33,458 --> 01:18:35,750
Marked by the digitalfingerprints of the GRU
1308
01:18:35,834 --> 01:18:39,000
and the potential dangers posedby a nuclear hack,
1309
01:18:39,083 --> 01:18:40,542
the strike attractedthe attention
1310
01:18:40,625 --> 01:18:43,083
of federal prosecutorDavid Hickton.
1311
01:18:44,125 --> 01:18:45,250
Westinghouse...
1312
01:18:46,166 --> 01:18:48,166
is the designer
of about 50 percent
1313
01:18:48,250 --> 01:18:50,291
of the nuclear reactors
in the world.
1314
01:18:50,959 --> 01:18:53,125
So, our larger concern
1315
01:18:53,208 --> 01:18:56,083
is how many Chernobyls
do you want to have?
1316
01:18:56,166 --> 01:18:58,375
Because someone is stealing
the technology
1317
01:18:58,458 --> 01:19:02,250
and building
the nuclear reactor backwards.
1318
01:19:02,333 --> 01:19:04,542
ALEX: Along with the FBI,he started watching
1319
01:19:04,625 --> 01:19:07,458
the GRU's activitiesvery closely.
1320
01:19:09,250 --> 01:19:13,291
We opened up a criminal case
in December 2014,
1321
01:19:13,375 --> 01:19:16,750
which ultimately became
"Fancy Bear."
1322
01:19:16,834 --> 01:19:19,250
-ALEX: Sorry, I-- I'm gonna
interrupt you for a second.
-Sure.
1323
01:19:19,333 --> 01:19:21,583
ALEX: From a straightforward
point of view,
1324
01:19:21,667 --> 01:19:23,291
who is Fancy Bear?
1325
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,000
-(LAPTOP BEEPING)
-(MOUSE CLICKING)
1326
01:19:35,125 --> 01:19:37,834
DANIEL: Fancy Bearis a Russian hacker group.
1327
01:19:37,917 --> 01:19:41,041
You know, the dudes from thatintelligence organization.
1328
01:19:41,125 --> 01:19:45,166
Cybersecurity expertswill attach a adjective
1329
01:19:45,250 --> 01:19:46,417
to the word "Bear"
1330
01:19:46,500 --> 01:19:49,959
for any group associatedwith the Russian government.
1331
01:19:50,041 --> 01:19:54,125
And it's "Kitten" for any groupconnected to Iran.
1332
01:19:54,208 --> 01:19:58,125
ALEX: Fancy Bear was the namefor hackers from the GRU.
1333
01:19:58,208 --> 01:20:02,417
Fancy Bear liked to show off.It didn't hide its tracks.
1334
01:20:02,500 --> 01:20:05,709
Not surprising for a spy groupwhose logo is a bat
1335
01:20:05,792 --> 01:20:08,166
with its wings across the world.
1336
01:20:08,250 --> 01:20:12,208
For the GRU, it's like,
how much effort do you put
1337
01:20:12,291 --> 01:20:14,792
into obscuring
what you're doing?
1338
01:20:14,875 --> 01:20:16,792
How good is the disguise kit?
1339
01:20:16,875 --> 01:20:19,458
Is it just kind of glasseswith the funny nose?
1340
01:20:19,542 --> 01:20:21,458
Is it just a bandannaacross the face?
1341
01:20:21,542 --> 01:20:23,291
Or is it actually, like,the full, you know,
1342
01:20:23,375 --> 01:20:24,750
Mission Impossible mask?
1343
01:20:26,166 --> 01:20:27,625
At the end,
I concluded
1344
01:20:27,709 --> 01:20:29,959
they were sort of
an in-your-face group
1345
01:20:30,041 --> 01:20:33,125
because they had createdtheir own website
1346
01:20:33,208 --> 01:20:35,458
in the name we had usedfor them.(CHUCKLES)
1347
01:20:35,542 --> 01:20:37,041
FancyBear dot org.
1348
01:20:38,458 --> 01:20:41,250
ALEX:
Fancy wasn't the only Bear.
1349
01:20:41,333 --> 01:20:45,291
There was also "Cozy Bear."Cozy was quiet.
1350
01:20:45,375 --> 01:20:47,750
Snug as a bug in a rug.
1351
01:20:47,834 --> 01:20:49,959
It haunted networkslike a ghost.
1352
01:20:50,041 --> 01:20:52,500
It belongedto the traditional spy group,
1353
01:20:52,583 --> 01:20:53,583
the SVR.
1354
01:20:56,458 --> 01:21:01,500
ALEX: In 2015, Cozy Bear hackedinto the Pentagon email system.
1355
01:21:01,583 --> 01:21:04,917
Then Cozy sneaked into theDemocratic National Committee
1356
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,583
and quietlyset about stealing information.
1357
01:21:08,917 --> 01:21:12,333
Gigabyte by gigabyte,the FBI watched the data flow
1358
01:21:12,417 --> 01:21:15,333
-while they tried to contactthe Democrats.
-(PHONE BUZZING)
1359
01:21:15,417 --> 01:21:17,500
ANDREW MCCABE: That waskind of the first interactions
1360
01:21:17,583 --> 01:21:18,834
we had with the DNC,
1361
01:21:18,917 --> 01:21:21,000
which is basically
the same sort of outreach
1362
01:21:21,083 --> 01:21:24,208
that we give
to private corporations
1363
01:21:24,291 --> 01:21:26,000
and academic institutions.
1364
01:21:26,083 --> 01:21:29,041
Our cyber folks will calland say,
1365
01:21:29,125 --> 01:21:31,625
"Hey, we've seensome probing activity
1366
01:21:31,709 --> 01:21:34,000
coming froma particular location.
1367
01:21:34,083 --> 01:21:37,500
You should go onto your systems
and look through your logs.
1368
01:21:37,583 --> 01:21:39,583
If you are seeingany of these things,
1369
01:21:39,667 --> 01:21:41,125
come back and let us know."
1370
01:21:42,125 --> 01:21:43,125
ALEX: For six months,
1371
01:21:43,208 --> 01:21:45,625
as spies roamedthrough the DNC files,
1372
01:21:45,709 --> 01:21:47,750
no one seemed too alarmed.
1373
01:21:47,834 --> 01:21:50,750
DNC tech support didn't returncalls from the FBI,
1374
01:21:50,834 --> 01:21:54,375
and the FBI never botheredto contact senior officials.
1375
01:21:54,458 --> 01:21:58,667
Then, Fancy Bear, the groupof Russian military hackers,
1376
01:21:58,750 --> 01:22:02,041
decided to find their own wayinto the DNC
1377
01:22:02,125 --> 01:22:04,667
by sneaking throughanother door.
1378
01:22:04,750 --> 01:22:06,709
The two groupsmay not have even known
1379
01:22:06,792 --> 01:22:09,000
that they were attackingthe same network.
1380
01:22:10,166 --> 01:22:12,625
You will often find
multiple Russian agencies
1381
01:22:12,709 --> 01:22:14,709
targeting a similar target
1382
01:22:14,792 --> 01:22:17,583
to actively encouragebureaucratic competition.
1383
01:22:17,667 --> 01:22:20,083
Probably both of themhad been given the DNC
1384
01:22:20,166 --> 01:22:21,333
as a high priority.
1385
01:22:23,166 --> 01:22:27,959
In March of 2016,
we learned that Fancy Bear,
1386
01:22:28,041 --> 01:22:31,208
which we had an active
criminal investigation into,
1387
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:33,542
had hacked the DNC.
1388
01:22:34,834 --> 01:22:40,083
And so, then my next reaction
to that is, "Well, who else?"
1389
01:22:40,166 --> 01:22:43,792
I fully expected that we wouldlearn that they were hacking
1390
01:22:43,875 --> 01:22:46,458
the RNCand the Trump campaign, too.
1391
01:22:46,542 --> 01:22:51,291
I later became surprised
to learn that they were not.
1392
01:22:51,375 --> 01:22:54,250
And then,it was the very next day...
1393
01:22:54,333 --> 01:22:55,709
and it's John Podesta.
1394
01:22:58,500 --> 01:22:59,834
PODESTA:
There's what looks like a prompt
1395
01:22:59,917 --> 01:23:01,542
from Googleto change your password,
1396
01:23:01,625 --> 01:23:03,709
saying "your account'sbeing attacked."
1397
01:23:05,041 --> 01:23:07,834
We asked one
of our cybersecurity people,
1398
01:23:07,917 --> 01:23:10,792
"Should we change?
Is this real?"
1399
01:23:10,875 --> 01:23:13,166
Later, he claimed
that it was a typo,
1400
01:23:13,250 --> 01:23:16,625
but email went back
saying "yes."
1401
01:23:16,709 --> 01:23:20,417
My assistant clicked on it,
changed the password.
1402
01:23:20,500 --> 01:23:21,709
The rest is history.
1403
01:23:24,375 --> 01:23:25,834
ALEX:
Shortly after the initial theft
1404
01:23:25,917 --> 01:23:28,000
of documents from the DNC,
1405
01:23:28,083 --> 01:23:31,417
Fancy Bear tried and failedto register a website
1406
01:23:31,500 --> 01:23:33,583
called ElectionLeaks dot com.
1407
01:23:34,583 --> 01:23:37,625
They settled for "DCLeaks"and waited.
1408
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:40,834
-(MOUSE CLICKS)
-ALEX: A month later,
1409
01:23:40,917 --> 01:23:42,834
Hillary Clintonsealed her victory
1410
01:23:42,917 --> 01:23:45,375
in the Democratic primaries.
1411
01:23:45,458 --> 01:23:48,208
We are on the brinkof a historic...
1412
01:23:48,291 --> 01:23:49,583
(CROWD CHEERS)
1413
01:23:49,667 --> 01:23:53,250
...historic,unprecedented moment.
1414
01:23:55,667 --> 01:23:57,875
ALEX: The next day,DCLeaks went live
1415
01:23:57,959 --> 01:23:59,000
with its first dump
1416
01:23:59,083 --> 01:24:01,709
of the Democrats' documentsand emails.
1417
01:24:04,083 --> 01:24:06,750
HICKTON: I first thought,"Wow, now it's being weaponized,
1418
01:24:06,834 --> 01:24:08,041
and it might have an impact."
1419
01:24:08,125 --> 01:24:10,208
But I discounted that
because I thought,
1420
01:24:10,291 --> 01:24:11,750
"The only people
who are gonna read this
1421
01:24:11,834 --> 01:24:14,166
are the people
who read Politico."
1422
01:24:14,250 --> 01:24:17,333
ALEX: The first dump was smalland not widely publicized.
1423
01:24:17,417 --> 01:24:19,500
But when it cameto the subject of emails,
1424
01:24:19,583 --> 01:24:22,792
Hillary Clintonwas particularly vulnerable.
1425
01:24:22,875 --> 01:24:24,709
REPORTER 1:
Hillary Clinton is under fire.
1426
01:24:24,792 --> 01:24:26,542
This morning's
New York Times reports
1427
01:24:26,625 --> 01:24:28,667
that the formerSecretary of State
1428
01:24:28,750 --> 01:24:30,709
may have violated federal laws.
1429
01:24:30,792 --> 01:24:32,417
REPORTER 2:
Clinton used personal email
1430
01:24:32,500 --> 01:24:34,709
to conduct official businessfor the State Department
1431
01:24:34,792 --> 01:24:36,500
during her timeas the nation's top diplomat.
1432
01:24:36,583 --> 01:24:38,417
REPORTER 3: Hillary Clinton'semail controversy
1433
01:24:38,500 --> 01:24:40,208
growing by the day.
1434
01:24:40,291 --> 01:24:42,208
You could say her inbox is full.
1435
01:24:42,291 --> 01:24:43,917
You could.
1436
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,041
PODESTA: There was a backdropto the email story, obviously,
1437
01:24:47,125 --> 01:24:50,583
which was the investigation
of her private use of emails
1438
01:24:50,667 --> 01:24:52,542
when she was Secretary of State.
1439
01:24:53,291 --> 01:24:55,000
But the hacks and leaking
1440
01:24:55,083 --> 01:24:57,000
kind of brought the topicof emails...
1441
01:24:57,083 --> 01:24:59,625
(CHUCKLES)
...back to the campaign.
1442
01:25:01,375 --> 01:25:04,917
ALEX: The Clinton campaign knewRussia was behind DCLeaks.
1443
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,959
Their cybersecurity firm,CrowdStrike, had reached
1444
01:25:08,041 --> 01:25:10,417
the same conclusionas US intelligence.
1445
01:25:10,500 --> 01:25:12,375
But despite compelling evidence,
1446
01:25:12,458 --> 01:25:16,000
the US government refusedto blame the hack on Russia.
1447
01:25:16,083 --> 01:25:18,375
So the campaign took stepsof its own.
1448
01:25:21,166 --> 01:25:23,333
JAKE SULLIVAN: What we knewin the summer of 2016
1449
01:25:23,417 --> 01:25:28,583
was that the Russian governmentwas hacking the DNC,
1450
01:25:28,667 --> 01:25:32,583
and now making efforts to hack
the Clinton campaign
1451
01:25:32,667 --> 01:25:34,709
and Clinton campaign officials
as well.
1452
01:25:35,667 --> 01:25:36,625
We were under attack.
1453
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:38,166
And that wasa hostile foreign power
1454
01:25:38,250 --> 01:25:40,000
who was undertakingthis operation.
1455
01:25:40,083 --> 01:25:43,959
We tried, as best we could,
in the days that followed
1456
01:25:44,041 --> 01:25:46,125
those initial releases
of information,
1457
01:25:46,208 --> 01:25:50,917
to raise the alarm,
to make the American press see,
1458
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,625
uh, just how dramatic this was.
1459
01:25:53,709 --> 01:25:55,291
And so, we went public
1460
01:25:55,375 --> 01:25:58,208
in aWashington Postpiecein early June.
1461
01:25:59,250 --> 01:26:01,375
♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
1462
01:26:04,208 --> 01:26:08,000
ALEX: The GRU moved quicklyto try to discredit the story.
1463
01:26:08,083 --> 01:26:11,417
Eight hours aftertheWashington Postarticlewent online,
1464
01:26:11,500 --> 01:26:15,417
hackers were hard at work tryingto hide the Russian hand.
1465
01:26:16,959 --> 01:26:18,500
To distract onlookers,
1466
01:26:18,583 --> 01:26:21,458
Fancy Bear had a special cardup its sleeve,
1467
01:26:21,542 --> 01:26:24,166
a joker named Guccifer 2.0.
1468
01:26:24,250 --> 01:26:28,083
♪ ("ON THE ROAD TO NEPAL"
BY MASHINA VREMENI PLAYING) ♪
1469
01:26:34,834 --> 01:26:36,083
ALEX: Guccifer bragged about
1470
01:26:36,166 --> 01:26:38,625
outsmartingthe US Intelligence Community,
1471
01:26:38,709 --> 01:26:40,750
and even had a Twitter handle.
1472
01:26:44,792 --> 01:26:47,875
DANIEL: This persona,Guccifer 2.0, says, "No, no, no,
1473
01:26:47,959 --> 01:26:50,000
the DNC intrusionwas done by me,
1474
01:26:50,083 --> 01:26:52,625
I'm a lone hacker in Romania."
1475
01:26:52,709 --> 01:26:54,750
♪ (SONG CONTINUES) ♪
1476
01:27:03,208 --> 01:27:07,000
This persona had appeared
right out of seemingly nowhere.
1477
01:27:07,083 --> 01:27:09,208
You know, when you're in
this kind of environment,
1478
01:27:09,291 --> 01:27:10,291
you're like, "Really?
1479
01:27:10,375 --> 01:27:11,959
That seems like
an interesting coincidence."
1480
01:27:20,458 --> 01:27:22,667
WALLANDER: There probablywas a Romanian platform
1481
01:27:22,750 --> 01:27:25,166
involved in the operation,
1482
01:27:25,250 --> 01:27:30,125
but it was eventually attributed
back to, uh, Russian origin.
1483
01:27:31,583 --> 01:27:33,458
DANIEL: Insidethe National Security Council,
1484
01:27:33,542 --> 01:27:35,333
the conclusion came backpretty quickly
1485
01:27:35,417 --> 01:27:40,208
that this was not a lone
Romanian, uh, hacker,
1486
01:27:40,291 --> 01:27:44,041
that in fact this was a front
for the GRU.
1487
01:27:44,125 --> 01:27:46,750
ALEX: They based their creationon the original Guccifer,
1488
01:27:46,834 --> 01:27:50,291
a Romanian who had hackedUS politicians like Colin Powell
1489
01:27:50,375 --> 01:27:52,208
and George W. Bush.
1490
01:27:52,291 --> 01:27:54,834
Guccifer offeredjust enough deniability
1491
01:27:54,917 --> 01:27:56,792
about the origins of the hack.
1492
01:27:56,875 --> 01:27:59,625
GLENN GREENWALD: (OVER PHONE)
The claim that
1493
01:27:59,709 --> 01:28:02,166
the Russian intelligenceagencies were involved
1494
01:28:02,250 --> 01:28:03,834
in the procurementof these documents,
1495
01:28:03,917 --> 01:28:07,458
thus far there's been verylittle evidence presented.
1496
01:28:07,542 --> 01:28:10,583
REPORTER: Russian officialsare calling Americans paranoid.
1497
01:28:10,667 --> 01:28:13,750
Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrovdismissed the allegations
1498
01:28:13,834 --> 01:28:15,500
when he was askedabout them today.
1499
01:28:19,458 --> 01:28:22,834
ALEX: The public was stillat sea for some time
1500
01:28:22,917 --> 01:28:24,959
in terms of Guccifer 2.0.
1501
01:28:25,041 --> 01:28:28,625
We had decided
that we would not, uh...
1502
01:28:28,709 --> 01:28:30,875
that we would certainly
not support the idea
1503
01:28:30,959 --> 01:28:32,166
that it was a lone hacker,
1504
01:28:32,250 --> 01:28:34,792
but that we weren't going
to aggressively sort of try
1505
01:28:34,875 --> 01:28:38,166
to debunk that
from the US government.
1506
01:28:38,250 --> 01:28:40,291
ALEX: Guccifer wasa flimsy disguise,
1507
01:28:40,375 --> 01:28:41,583
but it worked.
1508
01:28:41,667 --> 01:28:44,667
The identity of the hackersbecame a sideshow.
1509
01:28:44,750 --> 01:28:47,542
The story wasn't that Russiahad hacked the Democrats,
1510
01:28:47,625 --> 01:28:50,375
but that the Democratswere falling apart.
1511
01:28:50,875 --> 01:28:52,417
(CROWD CHEERING)
1512
01:28:52,500 --> 01:28:54,625
REPORTER 1: On the eveof the Democratic Convention,
1513
01:28:54,709 --> 01:28:55,792
a bombshell.
1514
01:28:55,875 --> 01:28:57,166
WikiLeaks released thousands
1515
01:28:57,250 --> 01:29:00,250
of internal DemocraticNational Committee emails...
1516
01:29:00,333 --> 01:29:02,250
REPORTER 2: Just whenHillary Clinton was hoping
1517
01:29:02,333 --> 01:29:05,375
to put the whole notion of
an email controversy behind her,
1518
01:29:05,458 --> 01:29:08,125
here comes an entirely
different email controversy,
1519
01:29:08,208 --> 01:29:09,667
and one that threatens the unity
1520
01:29:09,750 --> 01:29:11,333
the Democrats are hoping
to show.
1521
01:29:11,417 --> 01:29:12,583
(MESSAGE ALERT PINGS)
1522
01:29:12,667 --> 01:29:14,834
REPORTER 3: Seventeen hundrednew stolen emails.
1523
01:29:14,917 --> 01:29:15,792
(MESSAGE ALERT)
1524
01:29:15,875 --> 01:29:17,291
REPORTER 4:
Thousands of leaked emails
1525
01:29:17,375 --> 01:29:19,375
show Democratic party officials
1526
01:29:19,458 --> 01:29:22,000
possibly plottingagainst Bernie Sanders
1527
01:29:22,083 --> 01:29:23,792
in his raceagainst Hillary Clinton.
1528
01:29:23,875 --> 01:29:25,834
REPORTER 5: In one,a top official wonders,
1529
01:29:25,917 --> 01:29:28,041
"Can we get someoneto ask his belief?
1530
01:29:28,125 --> 01:29:31,500
Does he believe in a God?"The response, an "Amen."
1531
01:29:31,583 --> 01:29:33,208
(CROWD CHANTING)
1532
01:29:33,291 --> 01:29:36,041
REPORTER 6: The idea thatwe have heard, of course,from the Sanders campaign
1533
01:29:36,125 --> 01:29:38,458
is that the DNC had a fingeron the scale
1534
01:29:38,542 --> 01:29:40,917
to try to help
Secretary Clinton,
1535
01:29:41,041 --> 01:29:42,542
and now you see these emails.
1536
01:29:42,625 --> 01:29:45,375
Does this not give credence
to their argument?
1537
01:29:45,458 --> 01:29:47,625
Does this not validatetheir concerns?
1538
01:29:47,709 --> 01:29:50,709
REPORTER 7: It has beena tumultuous 24 hours here,
1539
01:29:50,792 --> 01:29:53,458
at the opening of theDemocratic National Convention.
1540
01:29:53,542 --> 01:29:55,542
REPORTER 8: This is exactlythe kind of tension
1541
01:29:55,625 --> 01:29:57,750
that the party was hopingto avoid here.
1542
01:29:57,834 --> 01:29:59,125
(CROWD CLAMORING)
1543
01:29:59,208 --> 01:30:01,458
REPORTER 9: Tonight,Sanders's supportersare furious.
1544
01:30:01,542 --> 01:30:03,875
(CHANTING)
Walk out! Walk out! Walk out!
1545
01:30:03,959 --> 01:30:05,250
(PROTESTORS CLAMORING)
1546
01:30:05,333 --> 01:30:06,625
MALE PROTESTOR:
1547
01:30:12,125 --> 01:30:13,291
The chair of the DNC,
1548
01:30:13,375 --> 01:30:15,333
Congresswoman
Debbie Wasserman Schultz,
1549
01:30:15,417 --> 01:30:16,917
has announced her resignation.
1550
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:18,750
REPORTER 10: (OVER PHONE)
She was booed off the stage.
1551
01:30:18,834 --> 01:30:20,041
I've never seen anythinglike this.
1552
01:30:20,125 --> 01:30:22,125
REPORTER 11: Could you talk
about the controversy
1553
01:30:22,208 --> 01:30:25,917
around the emails that came out
and then how it suggested
1554
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:29,959
that the DNC was clearlyon the side of Hillary Clinton?
1555
01:30:30,041 --> 01:30:32,250
The Democratic Party
does not care about you.
1556
01:30:32,333 --> 01:30:34,583
The Democratic Party
does not care about America.
1557
01:30:34,667 --> 01:30:37,083
And so we are gonna show
the Democratic Party
1558
01:30:37,166 --> 01:30:38,417
that if they will not have us
1559
01:30:38,500 --> 01:30:40,041
and they will not welcome us
into their party,
1560
01:30:40,125 --> 01:30:42,125
then we will leave,
and they will lose to Trump.
1561
01:30:42,208 --> 01:30:45,125
And it will not be our fault.
It will be their fault.
1562
01:30:45,208 --> 01:30:48,083
ALEX: I found the contentof the emails pretty damning.
1563
01:30:48,166 --> 01:30:51,458
The Democratic Party was clearlyputting its finger on the scale,
1564
01:30:51,542 --> 01:30:54,750
favoring Clintonover Bernie Sanders.
1565
01:30:54,834 --> 01:30:57,917
The emails were evidencethat the system was corrupt
1566
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,750
and even Sanders couldn't puta good face on it.
1567
01:31:00,834 --> 01:31:05,041
We have got to defeat
Donald Trump!
1568
01:31:05,125 --> 01:31:06,709
(CROWD CHEERING)
1569
01:31:06,792 --> 01:31:11,875
And we have got to elect
Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine!
1570
01:31:11,959 --> 01:31:15,208
(CROWD BOOING)
1571
01:31:20,667 --> 01:31:22,709
ANCHOR: What's your reactionto these emails?
1572
01:31:22,792 --> 01:31:25,375
Outrage, disappointed.
And it doesn't matter
1573
01:31:25,458 --> 01:31:27,083
necessarily that it was
the Russians.
1574
01:31:27,166 --> 01:31:29,250
It could have been
the men from Mars.
1575
01:31:29,333 --> 01:31:31,250
ALEX: But it didn't comefrom Mars.
1576
01:31:31,333 --> 01:31:34,542
It came from Russia,and not with love.
1577
01:31:34,625 --> 01:31:36,792
That should have beenan important part of the story.
1578
01:31:36,875 --> 01:31:39,041
You always want to knowthe source.
1579
01:31:39,125 --> 01:31:42,291
But the Russian hand was hiddenby the volume of the data
1580
01:31:42,375 --> 01:31:44,291
and the chaos it caused.
1581
01:31:44,375 --> 01:31:46,750
That chaos and confusion was fed
1582
01:31:46,834 --> 01:31:49,834
by a controversial figureI knew well.
1583
01:31:49,917 --> 01:31:52,250
I had already made one movieabout him.
1584
01:31:54,250 --> 01:31:57,500
You were the one who released
these 20,000 emails,
1585
01:31:57,583 --> 01:31:59,000
Julian Assange.
1586
01:31:59,083 --> 01:32:00,166
Where did you get them?
1587
01:32:00,250 --> 01:32:01,875
REPORTER: Can we addressthe question at hand,
1588
01:32:01,959 --> 01:32:05,291
and that is whether or not
you can say definitively
1589
01:32:05,375 --> 01:32:07,458
that Russia had no part
in this hack?
1590
01:32:07,542 --> 01:32:08,834
What sort of question is that?
1591
01:32:08,917 --> 01:32:11,917
Uh, I am a journalist.
We don't reveal our sources.
1592
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:14,667
I don't like leaked emails,
but in this one case,
1593
01:32:14,750 --> 01:32:17,125
God bless you, WikiLeaks,
for proving what we suspected.
1594
01:32:17,208 --> 01:32:18,583
-Okay.
-Thank you, WikiLeaks!
1595
01:32:18,667 --> 01:32:22,083
Uh, told us that, um,
she doesn't even like Americans.
1596
01:32:22,166 --> 01:32:23,166
She hates Americans.
1597
01:32:23,250 --> 01:32:25,166
You know, I find WikiLeaks
very refreshing.
1598
01:32:25,250 --> 01:32:27,667
This is the Hillary Clinton
I always knew existed.
1599
01:32:27,750 --> 01:32:29,667
I just never had proof of it.
(CHUCKLES)
1600
01:32:29,750 --> 01:32:32,792
PROTESTERS: Hillary cheats!Thank you, WikiLeaks!
1601
01:32:32,875 --> 01:32:35,750
Hillary cheats!Thank you, WikiLeaks!
1602
01:32:35,834 --> 01:32:38,917
(OVER MEGAPHONE) Hillary cheats!Thank you, WikiLeaks!
1603
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:42,417
Hillary cheats!Thank you, WikiLeaks!
1604
01:32:42,500 --> 01:32:44,500
WALLANDER: There was a lotof support for WikiLeaks
1605
01:32:44,583 --> 01:32:45,667
in the United States as sort of
1606
01:32:45,750 --> 01:32:48,458
this freedom of informationoperation...
1607
01:32:48,542 --> 01:32:50,375
which I never really understood.
1608
01:32:50,458 --> 01:32:52,917
But some people thought that,
so it had that credibility.
1609
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:56,667
That sort of, you know,
heroic credibility.
1610
01:32:56,750 --> 01:32:59,458
They were one step ahead of usby using a platform
1611
01:32:59,542 --> 01:33:01,792
that had that kind of auraof legitimacy.
1612
01:33:04,333 --> 01:33:06,000
PUNDIT:
I mean, right now, we have
1613
01:33:06,083 --> 01:33:08,041
-a serious, serious allegation!
-ANCHOR: Let-- let's talkabout WikiLeaks.
1614
01:33:08,125 --> 01:33:09,417
-Let's talk about WikiLeaks.
-Mm-hmm.
1615
01:33:09,500 --> 01:33:11,375
Well, look, we wouldn't have
this information right now,
1616
01:33:11,458 --> 01:33:14,083
the American people would
not have this information
1617
01:33:14,166 --> 01:33:16,917
if not for this.
I certainly do not condone
1618
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,417
cy-- you know,
cybersecurity and hacking,
1619
01:33:19,500 --> 01:33:21,542
but this all plays
into the same thing.
1620
01:33:21,625 --> 01:33:23,792
Look at what
Hillary Clinton did.
1621
01:33:23,875 --> 01:33:25,917
She put an unsecured server
in her home,
1622
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,458
-jeopardizing millions--
-Wait, wait. But WikiLeaks--
That's not WikiLeaks.
1623
01:33:28,542 --> 01:33:30,417
-That's not WikiLeaks.
What's in WikiLeaks--
-And-- No. No.
1624
01:33:30,500 --> 01:33:33,417
A lot of this was,
in terms of the public's mind,
1625
01:33:33,500 --> 01:33:35,583
confusing, confused...
1626
01:33:35,667 --> 01:33:36,667
It's almost impossible for you
1627
01:33:36,750 --> 01:33:38,417
to keep track
of all these emails.
1628
01:33:38,500 --> 01:33:42,000
SULLIVAN: We didn't fullyappreciate just how insidious
1629
01:33:42,083 --> 01:33:44,083
the releases
of these emails were.
1630
01:33:44,166 --> 01:33:48,333
The words "Hillary"
and "email" and "revelation."
1631
01:33:48,417 --> 01:33:51,333
It was coming out day
after day after day.
1632
01:33:52,208 --> 01:33:54,583
YOCHAI BENKLER:
There's a Gallup poll
1633
01:33:54,667 --> 01:33:58,625
that visualizedwhat word was most associated
1634
01:33:58,709 --> 01:34:00,500
in people's minds.
1635
01:34:00,583 --> 01:34:03,125
For Clinton,
"email" is this big,
1636
01:34:03,208 --> 01:34:04,667
much bigger than anything else.
1637
01:34:05,542 --> 01:34:06,750
In people's minds,
1638
01:34:06,834 --> 01:34:09,291
there are secret documentsthat are authentic and real
1639
01:34:09,375 --> 01:34:10,583
'cause they are real emails
1640
01:34:10,667 --> 01:34:12,208
that show
that somehow she's bad.
1641
01:34:12,291 --> 01:34:13,291
"And I've never read them,
1642
01:34:13,375 --> 01:34:14,750
and I don't really know anything
about them.
1643
01:34:14,834 --> 01:34:18,208
I just have a gut feeling
that there is concrete evidence
1644
01:34:18,291 --> 01:34:19,750
that she's bad."
1645
01:34:19,834 --> 01:34:23,291
She is framed by email
the entire campaign.
1646
01:34:23,375 --> 01:34:26,709
That makes that particular
vector of attack...
1647
01:34:27,542 --> 01:34:28,667
so powerful.
1648
01:34:29,375 --> 01:34:33,083
(MACHINERY WHIRRING)
1649
01:34:34,709 --> 01:34:36,500
BENKLER: It was suchan intelligent
1650
01:34:36,583 --> 01:34:39,917
propaganda operationby the Russians
1651
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,250
to hack the emailsand dump them.
1652
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:45,625
Email is bait.
1653
01:34:46,583 --> 01:34:48,834
The professional reportercomes to them
1654
01:34:48,917 --> 01:34:51,583
as a trove of occult knowledge.
1655
01:34:53,458 --> 01:34:55,000
REPORTER:
Another batch of stolen emails
1656
01:34:55,083 --> 01:34:57,166
published today by WikiLeaks,
1657
01:34:57,250 --> 01:34:58,542
offering an even deeper look
1658
01:34:58,625 --> 01:35:01,083
at the calibrationsof the Clinton campaign.
1659
01:35:01,166 --> 01:35:03,166
It's a drip drip dripof distraction,
1660
01:35:03,250 --> 01:35:04,959
being releasedon a daily schedule
1661
01:35:05,041 --> 01:35:06,417
by Julian Assange.
1662
01:35:09,041 --> 01:35:12,291
BENKLER: Throughout this time,the journalists make this effort
1663
01:35:12,375 --> 01:35:15,333
to be objectiveby being negative equally
1664
01:35:15,417 --> 01:35:17,083
about both candidates.
1665
01:35:18,125 --> 01:35:20,875
For Trump,it's a focus on his issues,
1666
01:35:20,959 --> 01:35:24,417
because they draw people to themin the same way that things
1667
01:35:24,500 --> 01:35:27,625
that are on the verge of obscene
draw people.
1668
01:35:27,709 --> 01:35:29,291
With respect to the Muslims,
1669
01:35:29,375 --> 01:35:31,542
hey, Maria,
there's something going on.
1670
01:35:31,625 --> 01:35:33,917
Go to Brussels.
Go to Paris.
1671
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:36,500
It's like living in a hellhole
right now.
1672
01:35:36,583 --> 01:35:38,333
BENKLER:
It's political clickbait.
1673
01:35:39,583 --> 01:35:43,291
Clinton's policy agenda
is so much more in line
1674
01:35:43,375 --> 01:35:44,709
with the mainstream.
1675
01:35:44,792 --> 01:35:47,542
She's basically
a centrist candidate.
1676
01:35:47,625 --> 01:35:51,875
The focus to be negative on herwas the implication of scandal.
1677
01:35:51,959 --> 01:35:55,709
The private server,followed by Benghazi.
1678
01:35:55,792 --> 01:35:58,000
Nothing about her
substantive agenda.
1679
01:35:59,792 --> 01:36:03,291
That's a profound form
of failure of these media
1680
01:36:03,375 --> 01:36:05,583
that the majority
of Americans rely on.
1681
01:36:05,667 --> 01:36:07,834
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
1682
01:36:07,917 --> 01:36:10,291
As these materials
were being leaked
1683
01:36:10,375 --> 01:36:12,834
and washed through the press,
I went out to each
1684
01:36:12,917 --> 01:36:15,583
of the major networksto make a presentation
1685
01:36:15,667 --> 01:36:17,875
about what we understoodhad happened.
1686
01:36:19,166 --> 01:36:20,458
Russian military intelligence
1687
01:36:20,542 --> 01:36:23,792
were penetrating variousAmerican campaign organs...
1688
01:36:25,250 --> 01:36:28,709
turning that informationover to WikiLeaks,
1689
01:36:28,792 --> 01:36:30,250
who would do their bidding.
1690
01:36:30,333 --> 01:36:32,250
PROTESTERS: (CHANTING)
Thank you, WikiLeaks!
Hillary cheats!
1691
01:36:32,333 --> 01:36:34,500
SULLIVAN: And then WikiLeaksput it out in the public
1692
01:36:34,583 --> 01:36:38,000
for the express purpose
of trying to undermine
1693
01:36:38,083 --> 01:36:40,166
Hillary Clinton's campaign
for president.
1694
01:36:41,500 --> 01:36:43,291
Their initial reaction was,
1695
01:36:43,375 --> 01:36:45,959
"Some of this is prettyfar-fetched,
1696
01:36:46,041 --> 01:36:47,375
doesn't seemlike it could happen
1697
01:36:47,458 --> 01:36:49,166
here in the United States.
1698
01:36:49,250 --> 01:36:51,041
And, by the way,
1699
01:36:51,125 --> 01:36:52,458
you also have
a political interest
1700
01:36:52,542 --> 01:36:55,208
in pushing this narrative."
1701
01:36:55,291 --> 01:36:56,875
Robby Mook,the campaign manager,
1702
01:36:56,959 --> 01:36:58,834
went out on television and said,
1703
01:36:58,917 --> 01:37:00,625
"We believe
this is the Russians."
1704
01:37:00,709 --> 01:37:02,250
And the pushback from the press,
1705
01:37:02,333 --> 01:37:04,083
when Robby did that,
was pretty fierce.
1706
01:37:04,166 --> 01:37:05,834
That's a very,
very strong charge
1707
01:37:05,917 --> 01:37:07,375
that you're leveling here.
(CLEARS THROAT)
1708
01:37:07,458 --> 01:37:09,166
You're basically suggesting
1709
01:37:09,250 --> 01:37:11,500
that Russians hacked
into the DNC
1710
01:37:11,583 --> 01:37:14,000
and now are releasing
these files through WikiLeaks
1711
01:37:14,083 --> 01:37:15,458
to help elect Donald Trump.
1712
01:37:15,542 --> 01:37:16,959
Well, this isn't my assertion.
1713
01:37:17,041 --> 01:37:19,041
There are a number of experts
that are asserting this.
1714
01:37:19,125 --> 01:37:21,125
I think we need to get
to the bottom of these facts.
1715
01:37:21,208 --> 01:37:23,000
But that-- that is what experts
are telling us.
1716
01:37:23,083 --> 01:37:24,959
Experts have said that
it is the Russians
1717
01:37:25,041 --> 01:37:27,625
that in fact went in
and took these emails and--
1718
01:37:27,709 --> 01:37:28,792
and then, if-- if--
1719
01:37:28,875 --> 01:37:30,083
if they are the ones
who took them,
1720
01:37:30,166 --> 01:37:31,834
we have to infer
that they are the ones then--
1721
01:37:31,917 --> 01:37:33,083
then releasing them.
1722
01:37:38,083 --> 01:37:39,333
REPORTER: From Moscow today,
1723
01:37:39,417 --> 01:37:40,917
an epic shocker.
1724
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:42,542
Russian president Vladimir Putin
1725
01:37:42,625 --> 01:37:45,291
denied that his governmentwas behind the hacking
1726
01:37:45,375 --> 01:37:47,583
of the Democratic Party'semails.
1727
01:37:47,667 --> 01:37:50,250
PUTIN:
(SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN, CHUCKLES)
1728
01:38:06,166 --> 01:38:09,125
ALEX: Putin was playingthree-dimensional chess.
1729
01:38:09,208 --> 01:38:12,083
He was right,the content did matter.
1730
01:38:12,166 --> 01:38:14,792
But it also matteredthat a foreign power
1731
01:38:14,875 --> 01:38:18,041
was stealing and leaking datafrom one campaign
1732
01:38:18,125 --> 01:38:20,959
while leavingthe other candidate alone.
1733
01:38:21,041 --> 01:38:23,625
(SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN,
CLEARS THROAT)
1734
01:38:58,834 --> 01:39:00,250
WALLANDER: It was very clear
1735
01:39:00,333 --> 01:39:02,792
that the purposeof this operation
1736
01:39:02,875 --> 01:39:05,208
was to harmthe Clinton campaign...
1737
01:39:05,959 --> 01:39:07,667
and it was coming from Russia.
1738
01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:10,500
At that point,
it was still not clear
1739
01:39:10,583 --> 01:39:12,792
at what level
it had been ordered.
1740
01:39:12,875 --> 01:39:16,083
Um, but my own... take
1741
01:39:16,166 --> 01:39:18,166
and my own advice
at the time was,
1742
01:39:18,250 --> 01:39:20,959
the Russian military
doesn't operate rogue.
1743
01:39:22,500 --> 01:39:24,208
ALEX: They take orders
from the commander-in-chief.
1744
01:39:24,291 --> 01:39:27,417
They absolutely take orders
from the commander-in-chief.
1745
01:39:27,500 --> 01:39:29,875
(CHUCKLES)
1746
01:39:32,500 --> 01:39:36,041
SNYDER: The waythat oligarchies work...
1747
01:39:36,125 --> 01:39:40,625
is that they substitutea spectacular foreign policy
1748
01:39:40,709 --> 01:39:45,000
for the, really,
absent domestic policy.
1749
01:39:46,375 --> 01:39:49,291
If you're Russia, you can'treally have domestic policy.
1750
01:39:49,375 --> 01:39:51,625
Because a few men haveall the money
1751
01:39:51,709 --> 01:39:54,542
and everything is blocked upby corruption.
1752
01:39:54,625 --> 01:39:55,959
How do you get people to think
1753
01:39:56,041 --> 01:39:58,291
that the governmentin some way is on their side?
1754
01:39:58,375 --> 01:40:00,417
You have to generate
a foreign policy
1755
01:40:00,500 --> 01:40:01,917
with clear enemies.
1756
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:04,333
(APPLAUSE)
1757
01:40:04,417 --> 01:40:06,291
SNYDER: Since Putin came backto power,
1758
01:40:06,375 --> 01:40:09,500
foreign policy for Russiahas been all about
1759
01:40:09,583 --> 01:40:12,000
creating thesespectacular enemies.
1760
01:40:12,083 --> 01:40:14,959
The big enemy
is the United States.
1761
01:40:15,041 --> 01:40:17,417
The United Statesis a great enemy to have
1762
01:40:17,500 --> 01:40:19,792
for Russia because of prestige.
1763
01:40:19,875 --> 01:40:22,792
The Russians think of themselvesas a superpower.
1764
01:40:22,875 --> 01:40:24,500
An average Russian might say,
1765
01:40:24,583 --> 01:40:26,625
"Well, yes,my plumbing doesn't work...
1766
01:40:26,709 --> 01:40:28,667
you know,and no one ever clears the snow,
1767
01:40:28,750 --> 01:40:30,333
but we're a superpower."
1768
01:40:30,417 --> 01:40:32,208
And having America as an enemy,
1769
01:40:32,291 --> 01:40:34,583
as it were, proves that
you're a superpower.
1770
01:40:36,375 --> 01:40:38,834
So Putin has triedto persuade his people
1771
01:40:38,917 --> 01:40:42,291
that there was a kind ofgreat American-Russian conflictgoing on.
1772
01:40:43,250 --> 01:40:46,083
(IN RUSSIAN)
1773
01:40:59,250 --> 01:41:01,917
(APPLAUSE)
1774
01:41:06,417 --> 01:41:09,625
ALEX: The question that hauntedthe 2016 election
1775
01:41:09,709 --> 01:41:12,125
was why the White Houserefused to reveal
1776
01:41:12,208 --> 01:41:14,458
what it knewabout Russian interference.
1777
01:41:21,875 --> 01:41:24,166
WALLANDER: The United Statesis a really powerful country,
1778
01:41:24,250 --> 01:41:27,041
and it's unlikely
that we can be defeated abroad
1779
01:41:27,125 --> 01:41:29,166
in a military conflict,
1780
01:41:29,250 --> 01:41:31,375
but in the last couple years,we've seen
1781
01:41:31,458 --> 01:41:33,667
that we're actuallypretty vulnerable at home.
1782
01:41:36,750 --> 01:41:40,333
It's a privilege to servein the government,
1783
01:41:40,417 --> 01:41:41,458
but it's also a responsibility,
1784
01:41:41,542 --> 01:41:43,875
and you haveto take responsibility.
1785
01:41:43,959 --> 01:41:46,083
The American citizenswere counting on us,
1786
01:41:46,166 --> 01:41:48,792
and I think you can saywe didn't live up
1787
01:41:48,875 --> 01:41:51,792
to the highest standardsof protecting the country.
1788
01:41:54,166 --> 01:41:57,583
2016 was-- was pretty awful.
(CHUCKLES)
1789
01:41:57,667 --> 01:42:01,083
We were dealingwith the growing horror of Syria
1790
01:42:01,166 --> 01:42:04,834
and the helplessness
of our attempts
1791
01:42:04,917 --> 01:42:08,917
to get the Russians to help
end the conflict in Syria.
1792
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:12,792
And trying to get the Russiansto end the conflict in Ukraine.
1793
01:42:12,875 --> 01:42:17,041
The key to success in government
is being able to distinguish
1794
01:42:17,125 --> 01:42:19,583
between the urgent
and the important.
1795
01:42:19,667 --> 01:42:22,166
And I think we failed in 2016,
1796
01:42:22,250 --> 01:42:25,917
and we allowed ourselves
to be distracted by the urgent.
1797
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:30,500
It prevented us from reallygrasping what was important.
1798
01:42:31,542 --> 01:42:34,417
The real challenge in 2016wasn't Syria...
1799
01:42:35,917 --> 01:42:37,917
important though that was.
1800
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:41,375
I regret to say this.It wasn't Ukraine,
1801
01:42:41,458 --> 01:42:45,583
compared to Russian
interference in the election.
1802
01:42:46,875 --> 01:42:49,458
But it's not like one day,you think, "Oh my God,
1803
01:42:49,542 --> 01:42:51,333
the Russians are interferingin our election,"
1804
01:42:51,417 --> 01:42:53,583
and the next day you go
to the president's desk
1805
01:42:53,667 --> 01:42:55,583
and say,
"This is what we need to do."
1806
01:42:58,417 --> 01:43:00,166
NULAND: Patterns that you'veseen elsewhere
1807
01:43:00,250 --> 01:43:01,709
and that you have
experience with
1808
01:43:01,792 --> 01:43:04,000
are clearer
at that level of government
1809
01:43:04,083 --> 01:43:05,959
than they might be
at higher levels.
1810
01:43:07,417 --> 01:43:08,917
WALLANDER: I was workingwith Victoria Nuland.
1811
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:12,000
We would kind of put our headstogether on what was going on.
1812
01:43:12,083 --> 01:43:13,333
She pushed a lot.
1813
01:43:13,417 --> 01:43:16,875
She sometimes was impatient
with our pace, which was fair.
1814
01:43:16,959 --> 01:43:18,625
What I felt at the time was
1815
01:43:18,709 --> 01:43:22,333
our Intelligence Community
was too slow to validate
1816
01:43:22,417 --> 01:43:24,792
what our experience told us
was happening.
1817
01:43:24,875 --> 01:43:26,000
They ultimately did,
1818
01:43:26,083 --> 01:43:28,208
but it would have been
far more useful to the president
1819
01:43:28,291 --> 01:43:30,458
if they had been able
to validate more quickly.
1820
01:43:31,583 --> 01:43:34,166
What we were seeing borethe hallmarks
1821
01:43:34,250 --> 01:43:36,875
of Russian tradecraftin Ukraine.
1822
01:43:36,959 --> 01:43:38,667
And what we were asking for then
1823
01:43:38,750 --> 01:43:42,083
was more
US intelligence resources
1824
01:43:42,166 --> 01:43:43,875
so that we could give
1825
01:43:43,959 --> 01:43:45,792
better informationto leadership.
1826
01:43:45,875 --> 01:43:48,875
But it was too early
for the Intelligence Community
1827
01:43:48,959 --> 01:43:52,041
to validate with the kind of
certainty a president wants.
1828
01:43:52,125 --> 01:43:54,542
The standards haveto be impeccable,
1829
01:43:54,625 --> 01:43:58,375
with all strands ofthe US Intelligence Communityin agreement
1830
01:43:58,458 --> 01:43:59,875
before you can sayto the president,
1831
01:43:59,959 --> 01:44:02,041
"We're confident."
1832
01:44:02,125 --> 01:44:04,834
JOHN BRENNAN:
If I'm going to talk to thepresident of the United States,
1833
01:44:04,917 --> 01:44:08,166
I wanted to make sure that
I was intimately familiar
1834
01:44:08,250 --> 01:44:10,834
with every detail.
1835
01:44:10,917 --> 01:44:14,041
In the summer of 2016,
1836
01:44:14,125 --> 01:44:17,583
I became exceptionally, uh...
1837
01:44:17,667 --> 01:44:19,125
knowledgeable,
put it that way,
1838
01:44:19,208 --> 01:44:22,709
of all the information
that we had access to
1839
01:44:22,792 --> 01:44:27,500
and all of the analytic work
that we had done.
1840
01:44:27,583 --> 01:44:29,041
ALEX: No onein the US government
1841
01:44:29,125 --> 01:44:31,750
had complete knowledgeof the Russian operation,
1842
01:44:31,834 --> 01:44:35,750
but CIA director John Brennanprobably knew more than most.
1843
01:44:35,834 --> 01:44:38,709
By mid-summer,Obama's national security team
1844
01:44:38,792 --> 01:44:41,875
decided it was time to sendRussia a warning.
1845
01:44:41,959 --> 01:44:43,250
Brennan was tapped to reach out
1846
01:44:43,333 --> 01:44:45,083
to one of hisRussian counterparts,
1847
01:44:45,166 --> 01:44:49,000
an intelligence officialnamed Alexander Bortnikov.
1848
01:44:49,083 --> 01:44:51,917
BRENNAN: Bortnikov had directand immediate access
1849
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:53,125
to Mr. Putin.
1850
01:44:53,208 --> 01:44:55,000
I think I was the first
senior US official
1851
01:44:55,083 --> 01:44:57,041
to confront them directly.
1852
01:44:57,125 --> 01:44:59,792
I must say, Mr. Bortnikovis a very smooth
1853
01:44:59,875 --> 01:45:01,667
and slick individual.
1854
01:45:02,375 --> 01:45:03,500
He said, "Oh, no,
1855
01:45:03,583 --> 01:45:06,041
we would never do something
like that, Mr. Director.
1856
01:45:06,125 --> 01:45:07,500
We are ready to work with
1857
01:45:07,583 --> 01:45:09,083
whomever is going
to be elected."
1858
01:45:09,166 --> 01:45:12,333
He, uh, lies
with the best of them.
1859
01:45:12,417 --> 01:45:14,959
WALLANDER: Brennan callingBortnikov on this
1860
01:45:15,041 --> 01:45:17,041
was a prettyextraordinary signal
1861
01:45:17,125 --> 01:45:19,375
of how importantthis was viewed.
1862
01:45:19,458 --> 01:45:23,291
But there wasn't a lot of
credible threats you could make.
1863
01:45:23,375 --> 01:45:25,291
Other than, you know...
1864
01:45:25,375 --> 01:45:27,041
"Relations between
the United States and Russia
1865
01:45:27,125 --> 01:45:28,458
are gonna be really,
really bad."
1866
01:45:28,542 --> 01:45:30,333
Well, relations between
the United States and Russia
1867
01:45:30,417 --> 01:45:32,250
already are really,
really bad!
1868
01:45:33,375 --> 01:45:35,125
And there wasan increasing trend
1869
01:45:35,208 --> 01:45:39,083
of Russian intelligence agentsto harass American diplomats,
1870
01:45:39,166 --> 01:45:42,417
including a physical assaultoutside the American embassy.
1871
01:45:42,500 --> 01:45:43,834
He was trying to walk
into the embassy
1872
01:45:43,917 --> 01:45:46,291
and he was assaulted
by a Russian security officer,
1873
01:45:46,375 --> 01:45:48,417
which was outrageous.
1874
01:45:48,500 --> 01:45:50,333
ALEX: She called the Americana diplomat,
1875
01:45:50,417 --> 01:45:52,333
but he was actuallya CIA officer
1876
01:45:52,417 --> 01:45:54,000
with diplomatic cover.
1877
01:45:54,083 --> 01:45:56,000
Even so, the extraordinaryassault
1878
01:45:56,083 --> 01:45:57,917
becamean international incident.
1879
01:46:00,625 --> 01:46:02,500
BRENNAN: I saidto Mr. Bortnikov,
1880
01:46:02,583 --> 01:46:03,875
in no uncertain terms,
1881
01:46:03,959 --> 01:46:09,166
that some of the tactics that
the FSB, uh, thugs were using
1882
01:46:09,250 --> 01:46:12,583
against US diplomats in Moscow
was intolerable
1883
01:46:12,667 --> 01:46:14,291
and that there are limits
1884
01:46:14,375 --> 01:46:17,125
to the espionageand intelligence profession.
1885
01:46:18,250 --> 01:46:20,500
ALEX: Those limitsare often flexible.
1886
01:46:20,583 --> 01:46:23,959
But between spies,there is a rough equilibrium,
1887
01:46:24,041 --> 01:46:27,625
and when the tacit rulesare broken, spies wonder why.
1888
01:46:27,709 --> 01:46:29,500
(SIREN WAILING)
1889
01:46:29,583 --> 01:46:33,208
ALEX: In 2016, Russia wasbreaking the rules of the game
1890
01:46:33,291 --> 01:46:36,834
and stability was giving wayto a kind of chaos.
1891
01:46:37,834 --> 01:46:39,166
SNYDER:
You have to think about this
1892
01:46:39,250 --> 01:46:40,542
the way thatthey think about this.
1893
01:46:40,625 --> 01:46:44,333
This is not a legalistic processor a bureaucratic process.
1894
01:46:44,417 --> 01:46:47,333
This is
not a diplomatic process.
1895
01:46:47,417 --> 01:46:49,375
This is making a play.
(CHUCKLES)
1896
01:46:49,458 --> 01:46:51,000
You make a play,
and sometimes it works
1897
01:46:51,083 --> 01:46:52,208
and sometimes it doesn't work,
1898
01:46:52,291 --> 01:46:54,291
and then sometimes
it works better than you think.
1899
01:46:56,458 --> 01:46:59,875
WALLANDER:
We needed an effective threat.
1900
01:46:59,959 --> 01:47:02,625
You deter actions by raising
the costs,
1901
01:47:02,709 --> 01:47:05,417
and one of the most effective
ways to raise costs
1902
01:47:05,500 --> 01:47:10,375
is to threaten reciprocal
and more costly retaliation.
1903
01:47:11,750 --> 01:47:14,834
That's one of the reasonswhy I developed options
1904
01:47:14,917 --> 01:47:18,500
for steps that could be takenor things that could be signaled
1905
01:47:18,583 --> 01:47:20,709
that could make ita more effective threat.
1906
01:47:21,709 --> 01:47:25,792
One of the steps
one sensibly might consider
1907
01:47:25,875 --> 01:47:28,542
would be to release
embarrassing information
1908
01:47:28,625 --> 01:47:29,834
about Russian officials.
1909
01:47:29,917 --> 01:47:32,667
ALEX: But was it something
that was under consideration?
1910
01:47:35,041 --> 01:47:36,542
Those options were explored.
1911
01:47:39,333 --> 01:47:42,166
DANIEL: We put togetherparticularly aggressive options
1912
01:47:42,250 --> 01:47:44,583
that we could use to counterthe Russians.
1913
01:47:44,667 --> 01:47:47,041
Things like sanctions
on individuals.
1914
01:47:47,125 --> 01:47:48,792
Could we identifyRussian operatives
1915
01:47:48,875 --> 01:47:51,000
in the United Statesand kick them out?
1916
01:47:52,208 --> 01:47:54,458
Are there Justice Departmentoptions?
1917
01:47:54,542 --> 01:47:58,125
You know, actors that we couldbring legal charges against?
1918
01:47:58,208 --> 01:48:00,583
ALEX: The Justice Departmentwas already investigating
1919
01:48:00,667 --> 01:48:04,792
one crime they could charge,the hacking of the DNC.
1920
01:48:04,875 --> 01:48:07,834
In Pittsburgh, David Hicktonwanted to target Fancy Bear
1921
01:48:07,917 --> 01:48:09,625
for a federal indictment.
1922
01:48:09,709 --> 01:48:12,792
He'd gone after foreign actorslike this before.
1923
01:48:12,875 --> 01:48:14,875
Years earlier,his unit had named
1924
01:48:14,959 --> 01:48:17,041
and chargedChinese government hackers
1925
01:48:17,125 --> 01:48:19,291
for stealing industrial secrets.
1926
01:48:19,375 --> 01:48:22,125
The hackers never saw the insideof a courtroom,
1927
01:48:22,208 --> 01:48:26,375
but the indictment itself didcurb China's hacking for a time.
1928
01:48:27,542 --> 01:48:30,542
I really wanted to bring a case.
1929
01:48:30,625 --> 01:48:33,792
But the historical positionof the Department of Justice is,
1930
01:48:33,875 --> 01:48:39,500
"You do not get involved
in election litigation."
1931
01:48:39,583 --> 01:48:42,667
We weren't even allowed
to appear with candidates...
1932
01:48:42,750 --> 01:48:44,875
sixty days before
they were elected.
1933
01:48:44,959 --> 01:48:48,333
So, if a case was not broughttwo months
1934
01:48:48,417 --> 01:48:50,667
before the November election,
1935
01:48:50,750 --> 01:48:54,041
it was not gonna be broughtin any form or fashion
1936
01:48:54,125 --> 01:48:55,667
till after the election.
1937
01:48:55,750 --> 01:48:59,417
But, in simple terms,
the case was not gonna be ready
1938
01:48:59,500 --> 01:49:02,333
unless we did something
Herculean to do it.
1939
01:49:02,417 --> 01:49:04,208
(KEYBOARD CLACKING)
1940
01:49:04,291 --> 01:49:06,291
WALLANDER: After I hadwritten up that options paper,
1941
01:49:06,375 --> 01:49:08,542
Susan Rice,the National Security Advisor,
1942
01:49:08,625 --> 01:49:10,625
discussed it with someof the principals.
1943
01:49:10,709 --> 01:49:13,291
And their reaction was,
1944
01:49:13,375 --> 01:49:14,792
"Too risky." Uh...
1945
01:49:14,875 --> 01:49:17,917
"Too edgy."
(CHUCKLES) "Too aggressive."
1946
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:20,709
There were options in terms
of what we could do
1947
01:49:20,792 --> 01:49:22,333
even in the cybersphere.
1948
01:49:22,417 --> 01:49:24,333
Rattle the Russians'
cyber cages.
1949
01:49:25,291 --> 01:49:27,583
Very uncertain as
to what the Russians
1950
01:49:27,667 --> 01:49:30,333
then might have decided to do
in response.
1951
01:49:30,417 --> 01:49:34,041
Would we have then engaged
in some type of escalatory war
1952
01:49:34,125 --> 01:49:36,041
with the Russians
in the cyber realm?
1953
01:49:36,125 --> 01:49:37,875
There were things
that they could have done
1954
01:49:37,959 --> 01:49:41,333
that would have been
even more serious
1955
01:49:41,417 --> 01:49:43,667
and potentially more impactful.
1956
01:49:43,750 --> 01:49:45,959
And so we didn't wanna make it
a self-fulfilling prophecy
1957
01:49:46,041 --> 01:49:48,291
about what the Russians were
trying to achieve.
1958
01:49:48,375 --> 01:49:52,667
By escalating, that could be
cathartic on our part,
1959
01:49:52,750 --> 01:49:57,166
but really would have, again,
further undermined the election.
1960
01:49:57,250 --> 01:50:00,375
There was a-- a reluctance...
1961
01:50:01,834 --> 01:50:03,333
to take steps
1962
01:50:03,417 --> 01:50:06,375
that would undermine the Syria
negotiations,
1963
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:08,166
supposedly... (CHUCKLES)
1964
01:50:08,250 --> 01:50:09,875
...which were
not going well anyway,
1965
01:50:09,959 --> 01:50:13,291
uh, undermine the chance
to rescue arms control,
1966
01:50:13,834 --> 01:50:16,166
um, or...
1967
01:50:16,250 --> 01:50:21,250
take actions that might not
deter Russian interference
1968
01:50:21,333 --> 01:50:24,750
but actually escalate
Russian interference.
1969
01:50:24,834 --> 01:50:26,625
And those arguments won the day.
1970
01:50:30,792 --> 01:50:32,625
HICKTON: It becamepretty clear to me
1971
01:50:32,709 --> 01:50:34,875
the election casewas gonna be deferred.
1972
01:50:35,875 --> 01:50:38,291
I thought that if we had said,
1973
01:50:38,375 --> 01:50:40,375
"Pittsburgh's gonnado the case,"
1974
01:50:40,458 --> 01:50:43,500
surged resources
into Pittsburgh...
1975
01:50:43,583 --> 01:50:46,667
we would have been able
to identify
1976
01:50:46,750 --> 01:50:48,709
and indict the people.
1977
01:50:49,500 --> 01:50:51,291
But what would that have done?
1978
01:50:51,375 --> 01:50:53,375
Would that havechanged anything?
1979
01:50:53,458 --> 01:50:56,417
(CROWD CHEERING)
1980
01:50:56,500 --> 01:50:58,333
HICKTON: The Democratic nomineefor president
1981
01:50:58,417 --> 01:51:01,041
was President Obama'sSecretary of State.
1982
01:51:02,458 --> 01:51:04,792
It would look like the presidentwas putting his hand
1983
01:51:04,875 --> 01:51:08,959
on the scale of the election,
if he was more active
1984
01:51:09,041 --> 01:51:12,834
than precedent had dictated
about this.
1985
01:51:12,917 --> 01:51:15,417
The better weight of wisdom
would be
1986
01:51:15,500 --> 01:51:17,041
to wait till after the election.
1987
01:51:17,125 --> 01:51:19,625
It's not for me to evaluate
his decisions.
1988
01:51:19,709 --> 01:51:21,417
He was the president.
(CHUCKLES)
1989
01:51:26,041 --> 01:51:28,291
SNYDER:
Traditionally, war is a way
1990
01:51:28,375 --> 01:51:29,917
of one sovereign state
1991
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:33,250
making another sovereign statedo what it wants.
1992
01:51:35,875 --> 01:51:37,500
War doesn't have to becarried out
1993
01:51:37,583 --> 01:51:39,291
by way oftraditional military force.
1994
01:51:39,375 --> 01:51:40,333
I can break your will,
1995
01:51:40,417 --> 01:51:42,166
my nation can break
your nation's will,
1996
01:51:42,250 --> 01:51:43,166
in other ways.
1997
01:51:43,250 --> 01:51:45,000
I try to figure out
what makes you tick.
1998
01:51:45,083 --> 01:51:46,500
I try to figure out
your strengths,
1999
01:51:46,583 --> 01:51:48,291
and above all, your weaknesses.
2000
01:51:48,375 --> 01:51:49,875
And then I appeal
to those weaknesses
2001
01:51:49,959 --> 01:51:51,500
to try to get you
to do something
2002
01:51:51,583 --> 01:51:54,583
that's not really
in your interest to do.
2003
01:51:56,208 --> 01:51:58,875
What Russia did in 2016was understand
2004
01:51:58,959 --> 01:52:02,000
and take advantage ofa new technical environment
2005
01:52:02,083 --> 01:52:03,792
faster than anyone else.
2006
01:52:05,291 --> 01:52:07,792
They used an instrumentthat allowed them to get inside
2007
01:52:07,875 --> 01:52:10,208
the will of a countrythat they understood
2008
01:52:10,291 --> 01:52:12,500
as their enemy.
And they succeeded.
2009
01:52:12,583 --> 01:52:13,917
They were also very lucky.
2010
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:16,375
I mean, they were lucky
to have Mr. Trump.
2011
01:52:16,458 --> 01:52:18,208
He does things for themin public
2012
01:52:18,291 --> 01:52:19,667
which they can't do themselves.
2013
01:52:19,750 --> 01:52:21,834
You know, they can pretend to beAmericans on the internet,
2014
01:52:21,917 --> 01:52:24,709
but they can't pretend to beAmericans in real life.
2015
01:52:24,792 --> 01:52:25,834
He's got the accent.
2016
01:52:25,917 --> 01:52:28,333
He's a white guy.
He can wear a tie.
2017
01:52:28,417 --> 01:52:30,625
He gives a good
off-the-cuff speech.
2018
01:52:30,709 --> 01:52:32,375
He knows how to workan audience.
2019
01:52:32,458 --> 01:52:35,667
It's pretty clear thatcooperation is taking place.
2020
01:52:38,792 --> 01:52:41,959
ALEX: At what point did you
become concerned
2021
01:52:42,041 --> 01:52:43,375
or conclude that--
2022
01:52:43,458 --> 01:52:45,709
that the Russians had also
reached out
2023
01:52:45,792 --> 01:52:47,792
to the Trump campaign?
2024
01:52:47,875 --> 01:52:51,583
During the summer of 2016,
we were seeing reports
2025
01:52:51,667 --> 01:52:56,083
of Russian officials
claiming contacts
2026
01:52:56,166 --> 01:52:58,834
with individuals
in the Trump campaign.
2027
01:52:59,583 --> 01:53:02,000
And I was explicitly told
2028
01:53:02,083 --> 01:53:06,875
that the White Housecannot be involved in tracking
2029
01:53:06,959 --> 01:53:08,583
what Americans are doing,
2030
01:53:08,667 --> 01:53:11,917
that it is illegal,it is not constitutional.
2031
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:14,583
I was told by my leadership
to stand down,
2032
01:53:14,667 --> 01:53:17,250
and I took that seriously
and I stopped.
2033
01:53:17,333 --> 01:53:19,500
I also remember, um...
2034
01:53:20,458 --> 01:53:22,667
walking back
to my office thinking...
2035
01:53:23,250 --> 01:53:24,542
feeling helpless.
2036
01:53:25,792 --> 01:53:27,041
They did make clear to me
2037
01:53:27,125 --> 01:53:30,709
that the proper authoritieswere looking into it.
2038
01:53:32,792 --> 01:53:36,417
We started immediately
identifying direct connections
2039
01:53:36,500 --> 01:53:39,792
between campaign people
and Russians.
2040
01:53:39,875 --> 01:53:43,291
Paul Manafort wasan obvious target.
2041
01:53:43,375 --> 01:53:45,583
General Michael Flynn,Carter Page,
2042
01:53:45,667 --> 01:53:47,125
George Papadopoulos.
2043
01:53:47,208 --> 01:53:50,959
A lot of questions abouttheir behavior, connections,
2044
01:53:51,041 --> 01:53:52,792
network of friendsand associates.
2045
01:53:52,875 --> 01:53:56,500
The combination of those things
brought to a head this idea
2046
01:53:56,583 --> 01:53:59,875
that we needed to now
investigate potential collusion
2047
01:53:59,959 --> 01:54:02,542
between the Trump campaignand the Russians.
2048
01:54:02,625 --> 01:54:06,333
It was just like stepping off
the roller coaster
2049
01:54:06,417 --> 01:54:08,166
into the rocket ship.
2050
01:54:08,250 --> 01:54:10,500
Is there somebody disturbing
us up here?
2051
01:54:10,583 --> 01:54:12,125
-(CROWD CHEERS)
-Where?
2052
01:54:12,208 --> 01:54:14,500
ALEX: Once insidethe Trump rocket ship,
2053
01:54:14,583 --> 01:54:16,333
it was hard to missthe crazy way
2054
01:54:16,417 --> 01:54:17,959
he seemed to besteering a course
2055
01:54:18,041 --> 01:54:19,417
guided by the Kremlin.
2056
01:54:20,500 --> 01:54:22,375
Those who suspected collusion
2057
01:54:22,458 --> 01:54:26,667
played one particular clipfrom 2016 over and over.
2058
01:54:26,750 --> 01:54:28,959
-(MOUSE CLICKS)
-What do I have to get involved
with Putin for?
2059
01:54:29,041 --> 01:54:31,041
I have nothing to do with Putin.
I've never spoken to him.
2060
01:54:31,125 --> 01:54:34,125
I don't know anything about him
other than he will respect me.
2061
01:54:34,208 --> 01:54:37,542
ALEX: See? He starts by sayinghe doesn't know Putin.
2062
01:54:37,625 --> 01:54:39,333
Trump loves saying this,
2063
01:54:39,417 --> 01:54:41,166
almost as much as he lovessaying the opposite.
2064
01:54:41,250 --> 01:54:43,500
DAVID LETTERMAN:
Well, there's Vladimir Putin.Have you ever met the guy?
2065
01:54:43,583 --> 01:54:44,834
He's a tough guy.I met him once.
2066
01:54:44,917 --> 01:54:45,875
LETTERMAN: He's -- he stole--
2067
01:54:45,959 --> 01:54:47,125
As an example,I own the Miss Universe.
2068
01:54:47,208 --> 01:54:49,834
I was in Russia,I was in Moscow, recently.
2069
01:54:49,917 --> 01:54:52,458
And I spoke indirectly
and directly
2070
01:54:52,542 --> 01:54:55,375
with President Putin,
who could not have been nicer.
2071
01:54:55,458 --> 01:54:57,875
If it is Russia,
which it's probably not,
2072
01:54:57,959 --> 01:54:59,250
nobody knows who it is.
2073
01:54:59,333 --> 01:55:01,917
ALEX: He's talking now aboutthe hacking of the Democrats.
2074
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:03,041
And he's right.
2075
01:55:03,125 --> 01:55:04,542
The US government,at this point,
2076
01:55:04,625 --> 01:55:08,041
hadn't publicly attributedthe hacks to Russia.
2077
01:55:08,125 --> 01:55:10,208
But this is where it getsreally good.
2078
01:55:10,291 --> 01:55:12,834
Now that he's denied Russiahacked the Democrats,
2079
01:55:12,917 --> 01:55:14,166
Trump spins like a top
2080
01:55:14,250 --> 01:55:18,125
and openly asks Russiato hack Hillary Clinton herself.
2081
01:55:18,208 --> 01:55:22,375
Russia, if you're listening,
I hope you're able to find
2082
01:55:22,458 --> 01:55:26,667
the 30,000 emails
that are missing.
2083
01:55:26,750 --> 01:55:29,041
ALEX: Trump said thatthis was just a joke.
2084
01:55:29,959 --> 01:55:31,750
But less than five hours later,
2085
01:55:31,834 --> 01:55:35,917
Russian military intelligence,a.k.a. Fancy Bear,
2086
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:39,125
was looking for honeyin Clinton's email accounts.
2087
01:55:40,667 --> 01:55:44,083
So, was this justcartoon collusion?
2088
01:55:44,166 --> 01:55:48,125
Or a real back and forthhiding in plain sight?
2089
01:55:48,208 --> 01:55:49,834
It's the hottest thing
out there,
2090
01:55:49,917 --> 01:55:51,250
this hat, you can't get 'em!
2091
01:55:51,333 --> 01:55:54,583
ALEX: That's the crazy beautyabout the politics of chaos.
2092
01:55:54,667 --> 01:55:57,291
It's hard to tell a jokefrom a crime.
2093
01:55:57,375 --> 01:56:00,750
Getting help from the Russians?Just part of the game.
2094
01:56:00,834 --> 01:56:04,041
It doesn't matter how you play,or who you play with.
2095
01:56:04,959 --> 01:56:06,750
As long as you wind up on top,
2096
01:56:06,834 --> 01:56:09,417
who cares if the wholemotherfucking system
2097
01:56:09,500 --> 01:56:11,125
burns to the ground?
2098
01:56:11,208 --> 01:56:13,875
♪ (ROCK MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
2099
01:57:07,834 --> 01:57:12,083
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
2100
01:58:13,917 --> 01:58:16,417
MAN: In 2016,we faced an attack of a new kind
2101
01:58:16,500 --> 01:58:17,709
in our democracy.
2102
01:58:19,709 --> 01:58:23,083
We now know what the Russians
were actually doing
2103
01:58:23,166 --> 01:58:24,166
during the campaign.
2104
01:58:25,166 --> 01:58:27,750
Russian interference only worked
because America
2105
01:58:27,834 --> 01:58:29,041
was a vulnerable target.
2106
01:58:29,125 --> 01:58:32,125
MAN 2: This was not justa standard set of espionage.
2107
01:58:32,917 --> 01:58:34,667
Jared Kushner,Paul Manafort,
2108
01:58:34,959 --> 01:58:38,166
and Don Jr. all there to seewhat Russia could give them.
2109
01:58:38,250 --> 01:58:40,041
You don't give somethingfor nothing.
2110
01:58:41,291 --> 01:58:43,875
Any customer whose check clears
is a good customer.
2111
01:58:44,875 --> 01:58:47,959
The Russians have offered
to assist the campaign
2112
01:58:48,166 --> 01:58:52,041
by dumping negative materialon Hillary Clinton.
2113
01:58:52,458 --> 01:58:54,166
Of course Russians prefer Trump,
2114
01:58:54,250 --> 01:58:56,166
because Trump saidthat he preferred Russians.
2115
01:58:56,542 --> 01:59:00,083
Trump was adopting Putin's
foreign policy.
2116
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:03,917
These allegations
are absolutely preposterous.
2117
01:59:04,542 --> 01:59:07,625
We began to see the intrusions
in the electoral system.
2118
01:59:08,291 --> 01:59:10,583
If I didn't tell some people
this story,
2119
01:59:10,667 --> 01:59:13,875
and something did happen to me,it would never get out.
2120
01:59:14,625 --> 01:59:16,875
It was all bullshit.
2121
01:59:17,166 --> 01:59:19,333
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