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ODESSA DURING '80s AND '90s,
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WE WERE HAVING A LOT, UH,
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OF LOT OF HOMICIDES.
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IT WAS THE MURDER CAPITAL
OF THE UNITED STATES
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FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.
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SO WE KEPT BUSY.
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ON FEBRUARY 2nd, 1994,
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SNOW ROBERTSON IS A SERGEANT
IN THE ODESSA, TEXAS
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POLICE DEPARTMENT.
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IT WAS CLOUDY,
IT WAS COLD, AND IT WAS WINDY.
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GOT CALLED OUT TO A BODY
BEING FOUND IN A VACANT LOT
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THAT WAS PLACED NEXT
TO A CHAIN-LINK FENCE
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AND NEXT TO A TREE.
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BODY WAS PRETTY DECOMPOSED,
SO MUCH SO THAT
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WE COULDN'T MAKE A POSITIVE
IDENTIFICATION AT THE TIME.
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I PLACED SOME PAPER BAGS
ON THE HANDS OF THE BODY
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TO PREVENT ANY CONTAMINATION
OR DESTRUCTION OF ANY EVIDENCE
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SUCH AS DNA OR HAIR
OR ANY BLOOD AT ALL.
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DETECTIVE JUSTIN CAID
IS AN EIGHT-YEAR VETERAN
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OF THE ODESSA P.D.
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ANY DESTRUCTION OF CLOTHING,
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CONTACT WITH SKIN,
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THOSE ARE CHANCES
OF CONTAMINATION
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FROM, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE SOURCES.
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I GOT A BODY BAG
FROM MY DETECTIVE UNIT
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AND PLACED HER INSIDE THE BAG,
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AND THEN I PICKED HER UP
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AND CARRIED HER
TO THE TRANSPORT UNIT
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BECAUSE HER BODY WAS SO FRAGILE
THAT I JUST DIDN'T WANT
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TO TAKE THE CHANCE
OF ANYTHING HAPPENING TO HER.
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LUCKILY,
THE MEDICAL EXAMINER IS ABLE
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TO SALVAGE A FINGERPRINT.
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THEY RAN HER PRINT THROUGH
OUR LOCAL FILES AND DETERMINE
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THAT IT WAS
DENISE CHRISTIE BROTHERS.
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I DID KNOW DENISE BROTHERS.
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SHE HAD GREAT PARENTS
AND HER KIDS WERE GREAT.
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WHEN I THINK ABOUT MY MOM,
I THINK ABOUT,
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YOU KNOW, BIRTHDAY PARTIES
AND MAYBE GOING TO RED LOBSTER.
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JUST THE GOOD TIMES I REMEMBER.
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HER PARENTS WERE REALLY
UPSTANDING PEOPLE,
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AND IT WAS A TRAGIC SITUATION
ALL THE WAY AROUND,
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BUT SHE JUST ALWAYS FELT LIKE
SHE WASN'T ENOUGH.
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SHE WASN'T, YOU KNOW,
A GOOD PERSON.
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THERE'S NO FORENSIC
EVIDENCE FOUND ON THE BODY,
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BUT THEY ARE ABLE
TO DETERMINE CAUSE OF DEATH.
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FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST REMOVED
THE HYOID BONE FROM THE BODY
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AND HE AND I
WENT UP TO RADIOLOGY,
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PERFORMED AN X-RAY
OF THE BONE ITSELF
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AND FOUND THAT IT ALMOST HAD
A CLEAN BREAK,
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WHICH WOULD HAVE SHOWN
A LOT OF FORCE
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USED TO STRANGLE DENISE.
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IT WAS MOST LIKELY
A MALE SUSPECT
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JUST DUE TO THE FORCE
USED IN THIS STRANGULATION.
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THE VICTIM IS NO STRANGER
TO ODESSA P.D.
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SHE GOT HOOKED ON NARCOTICS
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AND SHE USED PROSTITUTION
TO PAY FOR THE NARCOTICS.
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SHE WAS ON HEROIN.
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TRIED TO GET HER HELP...
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FROM MY GRANDPARENTS,
TRIED TO GET HER HELP.
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TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH
IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR THAT
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TO HAPPEN FROM FROM FAMILIES
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THAT ARE UPSTANDING
AND, YOU KNOW,
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THEY LOVE THEIR KIDS
JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
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SHE HAD SPELLS WHERE SHE WOULD
BE FINE WITH GOING HOME
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AND TAKING CARE OF HER KIDS
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AND THEN TIMES THAT
SHE'D BE REPORTED MISSING.
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SHE'D BE THERE
FOR A FEW DAYS A WEEK
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AND THEN SHE'D BE GONE
A FEW DAYS
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AND YOU'D KNOW THEN, YOU KNOW,
WHAT WAS GOING ON.
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IN JANUARY 1994,
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DENISE GOES MISSING
FOR LONGER THAN USUAL.
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I REMEMBER WE... WE DROVE AROUND
FOR HOURS AND HOURS ON DAYS,
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LOOKING AND LOOKING AND LOOKING
AND COME UP EMPTY-HANDED
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AND ASKING QUESTIONS
AND NOTHING.
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AFTER TWO WEEKS, WE GOT THAT
PHONE CALL AND SAYS THAT,
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"HEY, WE FOUND... WE FOUND
YOUR MOTHER, YOU KNOW,
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CAN YOU COME DOWN
AND, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK?"
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AND SO, ME AND MY GRANDPARENTS,
WE LOAD UP THE CAR
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AND WE WENT DOWN THERE
AND HAD TO LOOK AT THE BODY.
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AND IT WAS, MAN,
IT WAS SOMETHING AWFUL.
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MY GRANDMA WAS TO GO IN
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AND SHE... AS SOON AS
SHE HIT THE DOOR,
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SHE JUST STARTED SCREAMING.
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HER MOTHER COULDN'T
EVEN TALK TO US.
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I THINK IT DESTROYED THEM.
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IT JUST...
I KNOW IT DID THE MOTHER
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AND HER FATHER WAS...
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YOU COULD TELL IT
JUST DESTROYED HIM, TOO.
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SERGEANT ROBERTSON HITS
THE STREETS LOOKING FOR CLUES.
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DENISE'S FELLOW SEX WORKERS
POINT THE FINGER
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AT A REGULAR CLIENT OF HERS
WHO DRIVES A VAN.
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WE DID FIND THE MAN WITH THE VAN
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THAT THEY HAD DESCRIBED.
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BROUGHT HIM IN, DID A LENGTHY
INTERVIEW WITH HIM.
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HE FINALLY ADMITTED, YES,
HE HAD SEX WITH HER THAT NIGHT,
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BUT HE LEFT HER
AND SHE WAS FINE AT THE TIME
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AND HE CONSENTED
TO A SEARCH OF HIS VEHICLE.
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WE GOT HIM TO DO THE POLYGRAPH
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AND NOTHING TURNED OUT
FROM THAT.
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WITHOUT A SHRED OF
EVIDENCE LINKING THE MAN
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WITH THE VAN TO DENISE'S MURDER,
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HE'S QUICKLY RELEASED
AND THE INVESTIGATION DRAGS ON.
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THEY WERE NEVER ABLE TO DEVELOP
PROBABLE CAUSE TO PLACE
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ANYONE INTO CUSTODY
FOR HER DEATH AT THAT TIME.
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I CONTINUED WITH GOING OUT
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AND TALKING TO THE PROSTITUTES.
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AFTER A WHILE, THEY,
YOU KNOW, START SAYING,
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YOU KNOW, WE'VE TOLD YOU
EVERYTHING WE CAN.
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WHEN YOU START RUNNING
OUT OF LEADS,
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IT'S A PRETTY FRUSTRATING
FEELING.
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AT THE BEGINNING, MY GRANDPA
CALLED AND CALLED
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AND CALLED AND THE POLICE
AND THE FINALLY, I THINK,
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THEY GOT TO THE POINT
WHERE THEY SAID,
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"PLEASE STOP CALLING US.
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IF WE FIND SOMETHING OUT,
WE'LL LET YOU KNOW."
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WITH THE CASE
GETTING COLDER BY THE DAY,
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ROBERTSON TAKES A SHOT
IN THE DARK.
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I STARTED DOING
A REPORT FOR THE FBI.
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IT WAS FAIRLY DETAILED.
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EVERYTHING FROM METHOD...
STRANGULATION,
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A GUNSHOT WOUND, A KNIFE WOUND,
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THE TYPE OF RACE,
SEX OF THE VICTIM.
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THIS REPORT COULD BE UTILIZED
BY THE FBI
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TO DETERMINE OTHER
HOMICIDE VICTIMS AND SUSPECTS
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THAT COULD BE MATCHED,
THE SAME TYPE OF INCIDENT.
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ALMOST 20 YEARS LATER,
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ROBERTSON'S REPORT WILL LAUNCH
AN INVESTIGATION UNLIKE ANY
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BEFORE IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
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WE WENT IN THERE THINKING
WE MIGHT HAVE
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ONE MORE TEXAS CASE TO WORK,
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BUT NONE OF US EXPECTED
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THE MAGNITUDE OF
THE INVESTIGATION.
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I'M A CRIME ANALYST.
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THE ONE THING I WAS ALWAYS
PASSIONATE ABOUT AND THE CASES
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I ALWAYS WANTED TO WORK WERE
THOSE VIOLENT CRIME CASES.
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CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO
WORKS WITH THE FBI'S
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VIOLENT CRIMINAL
APPREHENSION PROBLEM
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KNOWN AS VICAP,
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THE ONLY NATIONAL DATABASE
OF ITS KIND.
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STATE AND LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES SUBMIT
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VIOLENT CRIME CASES
TO OUR DATABASE.
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I GO IN AND ANALYZE EVERY ASPECT
OF THE CASE THAT I CAN
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AND THEN LOOK FOR CASES
WHERE I SEE SIMILARITIES.
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THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
WE TRY TO DRAW CONNECTIONS.
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SUCH CONNECTIONS
DON'T GUARANTEE A CONVICTION,
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BUT THEY CAN HELP LOVED ONES
STRUGGLING WITH UNSOLVED CRIMES.
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BECAUSE YOU ARE DEALING
WITH SUCH HORRENDOUS CASES,
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REALLY, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE
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SOME SORT OF IMPACT ON THAT,
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TO BE ABLE TO BRING
SOME ANSWERS,
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MAYBE EVEN SOME CLOSURE
TO FAMILIES,
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THAT'S WHAT REALLY SPEAKS TO ME.
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PALAZZOLO'S COLLEAGUE,
DR. ANGELA WILLIAMSON,
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IS A FORENSICS EXPERT.
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I HAVE ABOUT 15 YEARS EXPERIENCE
WORKING AS A DNA SCIENTIST
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IN CRIME LABS,
WORKING MAJOR CRIME CASES.
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CHRISTIE IS A LITTLE LIKE ME.
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SHE KNOWS ALL
THE SERIAL KILLERS.
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IN 2013, PALAZZOLO IS CONTACTED
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BY THE LOS ANGELES
POLICE DEPARTMENT.
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THEY'RE INVESTIGATING
A SUSPECTED SERIAL KILLER.
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THEY REACHED OUT TO VICAP
ASKING FOR ASSISTANCE
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IDENTIFYING SIMILAR CASES
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THAT COULD POTENTIALLY
BE TIED BACK TO HIM.
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ONE YEAR EARLIER IN 2012,
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THE LAPD'S COLD CASE UNIT
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RUNS A CALIFORNIA
STATE DATABASE SEARCH
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AND GETS A DNA HIT
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CONNECTING TWO LOS ANGELES
MURDERS FROM 1989.
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AUDREY NELSON
AND GUADALUPE APODACA,
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THEY WERE FOUND IN THE SUMMER
OF 1989,
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ABOUT THREE WEEKS APART.
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AUDREY NELSON WAS FOUND
IN A DUMPSTER AND GUADALUPE
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WAS FOUND IN A VACANT GARAGE.
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THEIR SHIRT WAS PULLED UP,
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LIKE UP TO THEIR SHOULDERS
OR OVER THEIR HEAD.
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THEIR PANTS WERE GONE.
THEIR UNDERWEAR WAS GONE.
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THEY HAD THESE SCRAPE MARKS,
YOU KNOW,
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ANOTHER TELLTALE SIGN
OF A BODY BEING DISCARDED.
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THEY WERE BEING DRAGGED
TO THEIR...
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TO THEIR RESTING PLACE.
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BOTH WOMEN HAD
BRUISING AROUND THEIR NECKS
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AND CRUSHED HYOID BONES,
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THE HALLMARK
OF STRANGULATION BY HAND.
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AND DNA DISCOVERED ON EACH,
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LINKS TO ONE SUSPECT
IN THE STATE DATABASE.
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HIS NAME IS SAMUEL LITTLE.
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THE COLD CASE TEAM DIGS INTO
LITTLE'S BACKGROUND
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AND FINDS A RAP SHEET
GOING BACK TO THE 1950s.
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IT IS A VERY
EXTENSIVE CRIMINAL HISTORY.
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THEY REALIZED THAT
HE WAS AN INCREDIBLY
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TRANSIENT INDIVIDUAL.
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HE BASICALLY DROPPED OUT
OF HIGH SCHOOL
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AND STARTED LIVING
OUT OF HIS CAR,
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CRISSCROSSING THE NATION,
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HITTING THE ROAD
WHENEVER HE FELT LIKE IT.
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DETECTIVES SPEND WEEKS
SCOURING L.A. COUNTY
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FOR ANY SIGN
OF THEIR SUSPECT WITH NO LUCK...
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...UNTIL ONE OF HIS
SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS
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GETS CASHED
THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY
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IN LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY.
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HE WAS LIVING AT
A HOMELESS SHELTER IN KENTUCKY
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AND HE WAS EXTRADITED
BACK TO CALIFORNIA.
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THE DA'S OFFICE
WAS GOING TO BRING CHARGES,
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BUT THEY WANTED
TO FIND A PATTERN.
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THEY WANTED TO SEE, YOU KNOW,
IN HIS PREVIOUS CRIMINAL RECORD,
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WHAT CAN WE FIND THAT SHOWS
HOW THIS GUY OPERATED?
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EVEN THOUGH THEY RECOGNIZED
THAT HE WAS VERY TRANSIENT
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AND THAT HE WAS PROBABLY GOOD
FOR ADDITIONAL CASES
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IN OTHER STATES,
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HOW ARE THEY GONNA
FIND THOSE CASES,
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ESPECIALLY GOING BACK
TO THE '70s AND '80s?
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VICAP, THAT'S HOW YOU FIND
THOSE CASES.
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IF HE CAME ON YOUR RADAR
AND YOU KIND OF KNEW
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WHAT HE DID TO GIRLS
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AND YOU KIND OF KNEW
WHO HE TARGETED,
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YOU COULD REACH OUT TO THE FBI
AND SAID,
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"WELL, ON OUR TIMELINE,
HE WAS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD,"
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THAT MAYBE HERE'S YOUR SUSPECT.
220
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WHEN PALAZZOLO GETS INVOLVED,
221
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BASED ON HER TRAINING,
222
00:15:33,793 --> 00:15:37,973
SHE SUSPECTS THERE COULD BE
MANY MORE VICTIMS.
223
00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:42,550
SO SHE DIGS DEEPER INTO
LITTLE'S CRIME-FILLED LIFE.
224
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I TOOK A LOOK AT HIS BACKGROUND
AND HE HAS BEEN IN AND OUT
225
00:15:46,448 --> 00:15:50,718
OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM
FOR A GOOD PART OF HIS LIFE,
226
00:15:50,758 --> 00:15:54,588
EVERYTHING FROM PETTY THEFT
TO ASSAULT.
227
00:15:54,620 --> 00:15:57,410
HE HAD A RAPE CHARGE
IN HIS BACKGROUND.
228
00:15:57,448 --> 00:16:00,238
HE HAS WEAPONS CHARGES.
229
00:16:00,275 --> 00:16:04,475
HE HAS JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING
UNDER THE SUN YOU CAN HAVE.
230
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SO MANY TIMES
HE HAD GOTTEN ARRESTED
231
00:16:08,137 --> 00:16:11,097
OR MAYBE EVEN CHARGED
WITH CRIMES,
232
00:16:11,137 --> 00:16:14,307
BUT IT ENDED UP COMING DOWN
WITH A VERY LIGHT SENTENCE
233
00:16:14,344 --> 00:16:16,664
OR HE GOT OUT FOR GOOD BEHAVIOR.
234
00:16:16,689 --> 00:16:18,829
SO HE ENDED UP NOT SERVING
A WHOLE LOT OF TIME
235
00:16:18,862 --> 00:16:21,692
FOR THESE CRIMES
THAT HE WAS COMMITTING.
236
00:16:21,724 --> 00:16:24,174
PALAZZOLO FOCUSES ON
PINNING LITTLE DOWN
237
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TO CERTAIN LOCATIONS
DURING SPECIFIC TIMES.
238
00:16:28,275 --> 00:16:30,335
AND THEN, BASED ON HIS TRAVELS,
239
00:16:30,379 --> 00:16:35,339
WENT INTO THE VICAP DATABASE
AND JUST RAN DOZENS OF SEARCHES
240
00:16:35,379 --> 00:16:37,929
TRYING TO LOOK
FOR ADDITIONAL CASES
241
00:16:37,965 --> 00:16:42,515
THAT FIT WHAT HE WAS DOING.
242
00:16:42,551 --> 00:16:47,411
PALAZZOLO CONCENTRATES
ON THE KILLER'S SIGNATURE M.O.
243
00:16:47,448 --> 00:16:49,828
THESE WOMEN WERE
STRANGLED TO DEATH,
244
00:16:49,862 --> 00:16:51,172
MANUALLY STRANGLED TO DEATH.
245
00:16:55,758 --> 00:17:00,448
THAT SEEMED TO BE IMPORTANT
TO HIM, IMPORTANT ENOUGH
246
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THAT THAT'S WHAT HE DID IN ALL
OF THE CASES THAT WE KNEW ABOUT.
247
00:17:07,586 --> 00:17:10,516
SO THAT WAS SOMETHING
THAT I FOCUSED ON,
248
00:17:10,551 --> 00:17:14,551
I NEEDED TO FIND OTHER CASES
WHERE THE VICTIM WAS STRANGLED.
249
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DR. JONI JOHNSTON
IS NOT INVOLVED
250
00:17:16,758 --> 00:17:19,238
IN ANY INVESTIGATIONS
OF SAMUEL LITTLE,
251
00:17:19,275 --> 00:17:22,925
BUT IS AN EXPERT
ON SERIAL KILLERS.
252
00:17:22,965 --> 00:17:24,755
HE WANTED TO BE AS CLOSE
253
00:17:24,793 --> 00:17:28,003
AND PERSONAL WITH THEM
AS POSSIBLE.
254
00:17:28,034 --> 00:17:32,904
THIS WAS NOT SOMEBODY THAT HE
WANTED TO KILL FROM A DISTANCE.
255
00:17:32,931 --> 00:17:37,451
AND THERE'S ANOTHER
IMPORTANT SIMILARITY.
256
00:17:37,482 --> 00:17:40,172
HIS VICTIMS DID SEX WORK,
257
00:17:40,206 --> 00:17:43,716
VICTIMS WHO WERE HIGH-RISK,
258
00:17:43,758 --> 00:17:45,998
THAT WERE VULNERABLE,
259
00:17:46,034 --> 00:17:47,974
HE DID VERY MUCH HAVE A TYPE.
260
00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,520
IT WAS A PERSON DOWN
ON THEIR LUCK,
261
00:17:51,551 --> 00:17:53,791
NOT LEADING
THE BEST PATH IN LIFE,
262
00:17:53,827 --> 00:17:56,517
NOT TO THEIR OWN FAULT
OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
263
00:17:56,551 --> 00:18:00,101
BUT IF SOMEONE HAD AN ADDICTION,
SOMEONE WAS HOMELESS,
264
00:18:00,137 --> 00:18:01,827
SOMEONE NEEDED MONEY,
265
00:18:01,862 --> 00:18:05,662
SOMEONE WAS MENTALLY ILL
AND VULNERABLE,
266
00:18:05,689 --> 00:18:07,789
LITTLE WOULD SWOOP IN.
267
00:18:11,551 --> 00:18:15,211
HE KNEW HOW TO PICK A VICTIM.
268
00:18:15,241 --> 00:18:17,001
SEARCHING THE DATABASE,
269
00:18:17,034 --> 00:18:20,074
ONE CASE JUMPS OUT AT PALAZZOLO,
270
00:18:20,103 --> 00:18:23,003
THE 1994 MURDER OF
DENISE BROTHERS
271
00:18:23,034 --> 00:18:25,074
IN ODESSA, TEXAS.
272
00:18:25,103 --> 00:18:28,313
BASED ON HIS TIMELINE,
I COULD SHOW LITTLE PASSING
273
00:18:28,344 --> 00:18:30,484
THROUGH AT THE TIME
SHE WAS KILLED.
274
00:18:30,517 --> 00:18:33,377
VICTIMOLOGY MATCHED UP
WITH THE VICTIMOLOGY
275
00:18:33,413 --> 00:18:36,553
OF HIS OTHER VICTIMS FROM L.A.
276
00:18:36,586 --> 00:18:38,786
SHE WAS STRANGLED TO DEATH
277
00:18:38,827 --> 00:18:41,027
AND THEN HER BODY
WAS LEFT OUTSIDE
278
00:18:41,068 --> 00:18:43,478
AN INDUSTRIAL AREA
ALONG A FENCE.
279
00:18:43,517 --> 00:18:46,277
AND THAT'S EXACTLY
THE MANNER OF DISPOSAL
280
00:18:46,310 --> 00:18:49,620
THAT LITTLE DEMONSTRATED
IN HIS L.A. CASES.
281
00:18:49,655 --> 00:18:51,855
SO ALL OF THESE PIECES
REALLY FIT TOGETHER.
282
00:18:51,896 --> 00:18:53,136
AND I FELT REALLY STRONGLY
283
00:18:53,172 --> 00:18:55,522
THAT HE MADE A GOOD SUSPECT
IN THAT CASE.
284
00:18:58,310 --> 00:19:02,970
STILL, THERE'S NO
HARD EVIDENCE TO PROVE IT.
285
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,660
THEY JUST HAD HER BODY AND THEY
NEVER RECOVERED DNA FROM IT,
286
00:19:07,689 --> 00:19:09,339
SO IT JUST KIND OF STALLED OUT
287
00:19:09,379 --> 00:19:12,899
AND HAD NOTHING MORE
TO GO ON AT THAT POINT.
288
00:19:12,931 --> 00:19:15,861
EVEN SO,
PALAZZOLO REMAINS CONVINCED
289
00:19:15,896 --> 00:19:17,756
LITTLE KILLED DENISE.
290
00:19:20,620 --> 00:19:24,690
MEANWHILE,
L.A. DETECTIVES DISCOVER
291
00:19:24,724 --> 00:19:28,694
TWO SAN DIEGO SURVIVORS
OF LITTLE'S ATTACKS
292
00:19:28,724 --> 00:19:31,904
WHO LIVED TO TELL THEIR STORIES.
293
00:19:31,931 --> 00:19:34,451
HE WAS GETTING OFF ON TORTURE
294
00:19:34,482 --> 00:19:38,072
AND KEEPING HER RIGHT
ON THE EDGE OF DEATH.
295
00:20:29,724 --> 00:20:32,694
AFTER SEARCHING
SAMUEL LITTLE'S ARREST RECORD,
296
00:20:32,724 --> 00:20:36,934
THE LAPD FOCUSES ON TWO
ATTEMPTED MURDERS IN SAN DIEGO
297
00:20:36,965 --> 00:20:39,585
FROM THE 1980s,
298
00:20:39,620 --> 00:20:42,210
WHICH LITTLE COMMITTED
UNDER HIS ALIAS,
299
00:20:42,241 --> 00:20:44,721
SAMUEL McDOWELL.
300
00:20:44,758 --> 00:20:46,338
I'M SITTING IN MY OFFICE,
301
00:20:46,379 --> 00:20:49,519
AND I GET A CALL
FROM LAPD HOMICIDE,
302
00:20:49,551 --> 00:20:54,971
SAID, "HEY, SARGE, BACK IN '84,
YOU ARRESTED A GUY FOR RAPE."
303
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,380
AND I SAID, "SAMUEL McDOWELL."
304
00:20:57,413 --> 00:20:59,173
AND SHE SAID,
"HOW DO YOU REMEMBER THAT?"
305
00:20:59,206 --> 00:21:04,136
AND I SAID... I SAID,
"I JUST, I REMEMBER THAT ARREST.
306
00:21:04,172 --> 00:21:06,312
IT WAS A GOOD PINCH."
307
00:21:16,344 --> 00:21:22,174
IN 1984, WAYNE SPEES
IS A ROOKIE WITH SAN DIEGO PD.
308
00:21:22,206 --> 00:21:24,926
I'M BRAND NEW.
I'M TRYING TO LEARN MY JOB HERE.
309
00:21:24,965 --> 00:21:27,715
I'M TRYING NOT TO LOOK STUPID
IN FRONT OF MY TRAINING OFFICER,
310
00:21:27,758 --> 00:21:31,548
AND I'M WORKING IN AN AREA
OF THE CITY THAT IS REALLY BUSY.
311
00:21:31,586 --> 00:21:35,276
IT'S A LOT OF GANG ACTIVITY,
312
00:21:35,310 --> 00:21:39,620
NOT WHAT PEOPLE NORMALLY
ASSOCIATE WITH SAN DIEGO.
313
00:21:39,655 --> 00:21:41,305
IT WAS BEAUTIFUL TOWN,
314
00:21:41,344 --> 00:21:44,594
BUT AFTER DARK AND FAR AWAY
FROM THE CENTER OF TOWN,
315
00:21:44,620 --> 00:21:47,070
IT WAS A BIT EDGY.
316
00:21:47,103 --> 00:21:51,453
THERE WAS A LOT OF DRUG USE,
PROSTITUTION.
317
00:21:51,482 --> 00:21:53,342
IF YOU GOT OFF THE MAIN STREETS,
318
00:21:53,379 --> 00:21:57,759
YOU'RE IN KIND OF
A NO MAN'S LAND.
319
00:21:57,793 --> 00:22:01,033
ON OCTOBER 24th, 1984,
320
00:22:01,068 --> 00:22:05,478
THERE'S A SEXUAL PREDATOR
AT LARGE IN SAN DIEGO.
321
00:22:05,517 --> 00:22:08,757
THEY GAVE US A FLIER,
WHICH TOLD US ABOUT AN ATTACK
322
00:22:08,793 --> 00:22:11,073
THAT HAPPENED THE MONTH BEFORE.
323
00:22:11,103 --> 00:22:13,793
THE VICTIM WAS LAURIE BARROS.
324
00:22:13,827 --> 00:22:15,976
ACCORDING TO THE REPORT,
SHE WAS GRABBED OFF THE STREET,
325
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,790
KIDNAPPED,
TAKEN TO A REMOTE LOCATION,
326
00:22:19,827 --> 00:22:22,857
RAPED AND REPEATEDLY STRANGLED,
UNCONSCIOUS,
327
00:22:22,896 --> 00:22:24,586
CAME TO UNCONSCIOUS,
328
00:22:24,620 --> 00:22:28,210
WAS LEFT IN AN EMPTY LOT
IN A DARK PART OF TOWN,
329
00:22:28,241 --> 00:22:31,001
CAME TO AND CALLED
FOR THE POLICE.
330
00:22:33,655 --> 00:22:35,965
THEY DON'T KNOW WHO THE GUY IS.
331
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,000
ALLS WE KNOW IS
A PERSON DESCRIPTION
332
00:22:39,034 --> 00:22:42,284
AND A CAR DESCRIPTION.
333
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:45,620
LARGE AMERICAN CAR,
334
00:22:45,655 --> 00:22:49,515
AND THE DESCRIPTION
WAS VERY DETAILED
335
00:22:49,551 --> 00:22:51,001
FOR THE INTERIOR.
336
00:22:51,034 --> 00:22:53,004
YOU KNOW, SHE NOTICED
THAT IT HAD DICE
337
00:22:53,034 --> 00:22:56,144
HANGING FROM THE REARVIEW MIRROR
ON THE WINDSHIELD.
338
00:22:56,172 --> 00:22:58,242
THE INTERIOR OF THE CAR
WAS KIND OF MAROON.
339
00:22:58,275 --> 00:23:02,235
THERE WAS SOME DAMAGE TO ONE OF
THE WINDOWS WHERE IT WAS BROKEN,
340
00:23:02,275 --> 00:23:05,335
YOU KNOW, AND SHE RECALLED
ALL THESE THINGS.
341
00:23:05,379 --> 00:23:09,789
AND THAT WAS ALSO PUT
ON THIS FLIER THAT WE GOT.
342
00:23:09,827 --> 00:23:12,617
ALL PATROLS ARE ON
THE LOOKOUT FOR THE PREDATOR
343
00:23:12,655 --> 00:23:15,715
AND THAT CAR.
344
00:23:15,758 --> 00:23:20,208
SPEES AND HIS TRAINING OFFICER
ARE WORKING THE GRAVEYARD SHIFT.
345
00:23:20,241 --> 00:23:22,761
IT WAS WARM. IT WAS BUSY.
346
00:23:22,793 --> 00:23:24,483
AROUND 4:00 IN THE MORNING
347
00:23:24,517 --> 00:23:29,857
IS WHEN THE RADIO CALLS
KIND OF STOP OR SLOW DOWN.
348
00:23:29,896 --> 00:23:32,856
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS POINT.
349
00:23:32,896 --> 00:23:35,446
THEY HEAD TO THE AREA
WHERE THE ASSAULT OCCURRED
350
00:23:35,482 --> 00:23:38,932
THE PREVIOUS MONTH.
351
00:23:38,965 --> 00:23:41,715
IT WAS A TOTALLY
UNDEVELOPED AREA,
352
00:23:41,758 --> 00:23:43,278
NO LIGHTING,
353
00:23:43,310 --> 00:23:45,340
JUST THE KIND OF PLACE
A CRIMINAL WOULD LIKE TO BE
354
00:23:45,379 --> 00:23:48,519
IF THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING
THEY SHOULDN'T DO.
355
00:23:48,551 --> 00:23:50,113
WE HAVE A LITTLE THING
WE DO IS, YOU KNOW,
356
00:23:50,137 --> 00:23:52,617
YOU TURN ALL YOUR LIGHTS OUT
IN THE CAR,
357
00:23:52,655 --> 00:23:55,065
AND WE GO UP THE DIRT INCLINE.
358
00:23:55,103 --> 00:23:57,033
AS SOON AS WE LEVEL OFF,
359
00:23:57,068 --> 00:24:00,788
WE CAN SEE THAT THERE'S
A LARGE BLACK CAR
360
00:24:00,827 --> 00:24:06,097
UP ABOUT, YOU KNOW,
MAYBE 50 YARDS IN FRONT OF US.
361
00:24:06,137 --> 00:24:07,787
WE HIT THE HIGH BEAMS,
362
00:24:07,827 --> 00:24:09,547
WE PUT THE RED LIGHT
ON TOP OF THE CAR,
363
00:24:09,586 --> 00:24:12,166
AND WE BOTH HAVE CONTROL
OF OUR OWN SPOTLIGHTS.
364
00:24:12,206 --> 00:24:13,856
WE CAN SEE A MALE
IN THE BACK SEAT,
365
00:24:13,896 --> 00:24:15,516
AND HIS HEAD POPS UP.
366
00:24:18,034 --> 00:24:20,454
THE GUY GETS OUT OF THE BACK,
367
00:24:20,482 --> 00:24:24,102
AND HE STARTS WALKING AROUND
THE BACK OF HIS CAR.
368
00:24:24,137 --> 00:24:25,717
AS HE'S DOING SO,
369
00:24:25,758 --> 00:24:27,928
HE'S HE'S PULLING HIS PANTS UP.
370
00:24:27,965 --> 00:24:30,615
HE'S ZIPPING UP HIS PANTS.
371
00:24:30,655 --> 00:24:33,305
AS HIS TRAINING
OFFICER HEADS TO THE CAR,
372
00:24:33,344 --> 00:24:37,694
SPEES ORDERS THE MAN
TO WALK TOWARDS HIM.
373
00:24:37,724 --> 00:24:40,414
HE'S HESITANT AND,
YOU KNOW, HE'S JUMPY,
374
00:24:40,448 --> 00:24:44,338
AND, YOU KNOW, SO
IN A LITTLE BIT FIRMER VOICE,
375
00:24:44,379 --> 00:24:45,699
I SAY,
"YOU NEED TO GET OVER HERE.
376
00:24:45,724 --> 00:24:48,004
I NEED TO TALK TO YOU."
377
00:24:48,034 --> 00:24:51,724
SO WHEN HE GETS TO ABOUT
FOUR FEET IN FRONT OF ME,
378
00:24:51,758 --> 00:24:53,968
I JUST SAID, YOU KNOW,
"WHAT'S GOING ON?"
379
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,210
AND HE SAID,
"OH, IT'S ME AND MY WIFE.
380
00:24:57,241 --> 00:25:00,311
WE HAD A FIGHT.
NOW WE'RE MAKING LOVE.
381
00:25:00,344 --> 00:25:01,834
EVERYTHING'S OKAY."
382
00:25:01,862 --> 00:25:05,452
AND I CAN SEE HE'S GOT
FRESH SCRATCHES.
383
00:25:05,482 --> 00:25:08,832
HE'S BLEEDING DOWN HIS NECK.
384
00:25:08,862 --> 00:25:13,032
YOU KNOW,
THEY'RE VERTICAL SCRATCHES.
385
00:25:13,068 --> 00:25:16,618
AND HE LOOKS DOWN AT MY GUN
ON MY BELT.
386
00:25:20,620 --> 00:25:22,930
I JUST COULD SEE IN HIS EYES,
YOU KNOW,
387
00:25:22,965 --> 00:25:27,165
HE WAS THINKING IN TERMS OF,
"CAN I GET AWAY?"
388
00:25:27,206 --> 00:25:30,856
HE'S A BIG GUY.
HE'S, YOU KNOW, 6'1", 225.
389
00:25:30,896 --> 00:25:33,026
BUT HE DIDN'T LOOK LIKE
HE WAS READY TO OUTRUN ME
390
00:25:33,068 --> 00:25:37,098
'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, HE'S PROBABLY
IN HIS 40s OR SO AT THAT POINT.
391
00:25:37,137 --> 00:25:39,787
YOU KNOW,
SO HE'S GOT A DECISION TO MAKE.
392
00:25:39,827 --> 00:25:41,167
IF HE'S GONNA FIGHT ME,
393
00:25:41,206 --> 00:25:44,306
YOU KNOW, THEN HE'S GONNA
FIGHT TWO OF US,
394
00:25:44,344 --> 00:25:47,524
AND THERE'S NO WAY
HE'S GONNA WIN THAT FIGHT
395
00:25:47,551 --> 00:25:52,101
UNLESS HE GETS AHOLD OF MY GUN.
396
00:25:52,137 --> 00:25:53,927
AND AS I'M LOOKING AT HIM,
I JUST SAID,
397
00:25:53,965 --> 00:25:57,025
"DON'T DO ANYTHING STUPID."
398
00:25:57,068 --> 00:25:58,278
YOU KNOW, AND HE TURNED AROUND
399
00:25:58,310 --> 00:26:01,340
AND PUT HIS HANDS
BEHIND HIS BACK.
400
00:26:01,379 --> 00:26:04,719
WITH THEIR SUSPECT SECURED,
401
00:26:04,758 --> 00:26:08,448
THE OFFICERS CHECK
ON THE WOMAN IN THE CAR.
402
00:26:08,482 --> 00:26:10,342
I SHINE MY LIGHT IN THE BACK,
403
00:26:10,379 --> 00:26:13,449
AND HE'S GOT THE SEATS PUSHED
ALL THE WAY UP
404
00:26:13,482 --> 00:26:16,522
TO MAXIMIZE
THE SPACE IN THE BACK.
405
00:26:16,551 --> 00:26:18,241
THERE'S A NUDE FEMALE
406
00:26:18,275 --> 00:26:21,025
IN THE BACK OF THE CAR
LYING ON HER BACK.
407
00:26:24,103 --> 00:26:28,523
HER CHEST AND SHOULDERS
AND HEAD ARE CRAMMED DOWN
408
00:26:28,551 --> 00:26:31,141
ON THE FLOORBOARD
BEHIND THE DRIVER'S SEAT.
409
00:26:31,172 --> 00:26:33,972
HER HIPS ARE UP ON THE SEAT,
410
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,930
AND THEN HER LEGS ARE JUST...
ARE SPREAD.
411
00:26:36,965 --> 00:26:40,095
SHE'S BLEEDING FROM THE MOUTH,
FROM THE NOSE.
412
00:26:40,137 --> 00:26:44,587
YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST SAW HER,
I THOUGHT SHE WAS DEAD.
413
00:26:44,620 --> 00:26:48,790
THEY MANAGE TO REVIVE
THE WOMAN, TONYA JACKSON.
414
00:26:48,827 --> 00:26:54,137
MINUTES LATER, AN AMBULANCE
TAKES HER TO THE HOSPITAL.
415
00:26:54,172 --> 00:26:58,622
WE BOTH KNOW THAT THIS IS
THE GUY FROM THE MONTH BEFORE.
416
00:26:58,655 --> 00:27:01,165
THE DESCRIPTION MATCHED.
417
00:27:01,206 --> 00:27:03,616
THE COMPOSITE LOOKED LIKE HIM.
418
00:27:03,655 --> 00:27:09,585
THE CAR WAS DESCRIBED,
MATCHED DOWN TO THE FUZZY DICE,
419
00:27:09,620 --> 00:27:12,380
THE BROKEN WINDOW,
YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS,
420
00:27:12,413 --> 00:27:14,593
IT WAS A GOOD MATCH.
421
00:27:14,620 --> 00:27:17,100
SO HE WAS ADMONISHED
OF HIS MIRANDA RIGHTS,
422
00:27:17,137 --> 00:27:18,547
AND HE AGREED.
423
00:27:18,586 --> 00:27:21,306
HE AGREED TO TALK TO US.
424
00:27:21,344 --> 00:27:26,524
THE NAME HE GAVE US
THAT NIGHT WAS SAMUEL McDOWELL.
425
00:27:26,551 --> 00:27:29,621
THEY TAKE HIM
TO A HOSPITAL FOR A RAPE EXAM,
426
00:27:29,655 --> 00:27:33,585
WHERE A DOCTOR
COLLECTS DNA SAMPLES,
427
00:27:33,620 --> 00:27:38,310
THE SAME DNA THAT WILL COME UP
IN THE LAPD'S 2012 SEARCH.
428
00:27:40,172 --> 00:27:45,722
AFTERWARDS, LITTLE MAKES
A SHOCKING STATEMENT.
429
00:27:45,758 --> 00:27:48,998
HE GOES, "THE DOCTOR'S
EXAM IS NOT GONNA SHOW ANY RAPE,
430
00:27:49,034 --> 00:27:53,864
SO I'M GONNA SHOW WHERE
MY HANDS WERE AROUND HER NECK."
431
00:27:53,896 --> 00:27:57,336
HE'S BASICALLY TELLING ME
THAT HE STRANGLED HER,
432
00:27:57,379 --> 00:27:59,549
AND HE DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM
TELLING ME THAT.
433
00:27:59,586 --> 00:28:01,716
BUT HE DID NOT RAPE HER.
434
00:28:01,758 --> 00:28:06,068
HE DID NOT LIKE THE TERM RAPIST
BEING APPLIED TO HIM.
435
00:28:06,103 --> 00:28:08,483
HE WASN'T RAPING THESE WOMEN.
436
00:28:08,517 --> 00:28:12,757
HE ADMITTED AND WAS OKAY
SAYING HE WAS STRANGLING THEM,
437
00:28:12,793 --> 00:28:17,213
BUT HE TOOK OFFENSE
TO BEING CALLED A RAPIST.
438
00:28:18,896 --> 00:28:22,786
AS SPEES AND HIS PARTNER DRIVE
LITTLE TO POLICE HEADQUARTERS,
439
00:28:22,827 --> 00:28:26,167
THE SUSPECT KEEPS ON TALKING.
440
00:28:26,206 --> 00:28:29,926
INITIALLY, HE SAYS,
YOU KNOW, "IT WAS MY WIFE."
441
00:28:29,965 --> 00:28:33,895
EVENTUALLY THAT BECOMES,
"I PICKED UP A PROSTITUTE.
442
00:28:33,931 --> 00:28:38,791
SHE AGREED TO HAVE SEX
FOR 20 BUCKS."
443
00:28:38,827 --> 00:28:41,477
SO I TOOK OUT MY LITTLE NOTEPAD,
444
00:28:41,517 --> 00:28:44,967
AND I WROTE DOWN
EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID.
445
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,550
AND HE MADE A STATEMENT ABOUT,
446
00:28:48,586 --> 00:28:51,516
"I SHOULD HAVE KILLED
THAT WHORE."
447
00:28:51,551 --> 00:28:53,971
AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEN HE SAID,
448
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,340
"SHE DESERVED EVERYTHING
SHE GOT."
449
00:28:59,034 --> 00:29:02,524
AND THEN I THINK HE WAS
ALSO ANGRY AT US
450
00:29:02,551 --> 00:29:05,241
BECAUSE WE STOPPED HIM.
451
00:29:05,275 --> 00:29:10,965
I MEAN, WE LITERALLY
DROVE UP ON HIM
452
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,900
AS HE WAS STRANGLING THIS WOMAN.
453
00:29:15,931 --> 00:29:19,551
I'VE ARRESTED MURDERERS,
RAPISTS, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.
454
00:29:19,586 --> 00:29:23,516
BUT THIS GUY... YOU KNOW,
WE ARRESTED HIM IN PROGRESS.
455
00:29:23,551 --> 00:29:26,281
SAVING THIS PERSON
AND GETTING THIS GUY
456
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:28,720
INTO CUSTODY
AND OFF THE STREET...
457
00:29:28,758 --> 00:29:30,968
THAT WAS A BIG DEAL.
458
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,030
SAMUEL McDOWELL,
A.K.A. SAMUEL LITTLE,
459
00:29:35,068 --> 00:29:37,448
IS NOW IN CUSTODY.
460
00:29:37,482 --> 00:29:40,862
BUT IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN
IF POLICE AND PROSECUTION
461
00:29:40,896 --> 00:29:43,716
HAVE ENOUGH
TO KEEP HIM OFF THE STREET.
462
00:30:38,068 --> 00:30:42,898
I LEARNED A COUPLE DAYS
AFTER OUR ARREST, SAMUEL LITTLE,
463
00:30:42,931 --> 00:30:47,551
THAT HE WAS IDENTIFIED
IN A LINEUP BY THE FIRST VICTIM.
464
00:30:47,586 --> 00:30:52,826
AND NOW THE D.A. IS GOING TO
PROSECUTE HIM FOR BOTH VICTIMS.
465
00:30:52,862 --> 00:30:55,932
IN THE FALL OF 1984,
466
00:30:55,965 --> 00:30:59,405
SAN DIEGO DEPUTY D.A.
GARY REMPEL BEGINS
467
00:30:59,448 --> 00:31:02,718
BUILDING HIS CASE
AGAINST SAMUEL LITTLE
468
00:31:02,758 --> 00:31:05,378
FOR THE ATTEMPTED MURDERS
OF LAURIE BARROWS
469
00:31:05,413 --> 00:31:09,283
AND TONYA JACKSON.
470
00:31:09,310 --> 00:31:11,860
SAM LITTLE HAD ONE OF
THE LONGEST RAP SHEETS
471
00:31:11,896 --> 00:31:15,926
I'VE SEEN OF SERIOUS CRIMES
WITHOUT CONVICTIONS,
472
00:31:15,965 --> 00:31:18,895
VERY FEW CONVICTIONS.
473
00:31:18,931 --> 00:31:23,481
I SAW NUMEROUS INSTANCES
OF THEFT, VIOLENCE,
474
00:31:23,517 --> 00:31:25,967
SOLICITING PROSTITUTION,
YOU NAME IT,
475
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,620
PAGES AND PAGES.
476
00:31:27,655 --> 00:31:29,895
AS I LOOKED FURTHER
INTO THE RAP SHEET,
477
00:31:29,931 --> 00:31:32,861
I SAW THAT HE HAD BEEN ARRESTED
FOR A COUPLE OF COUNTS
478
00:31:32,896 --> 00:31:35,446
OF ATTEMPTED MURDER
WITH NO DISPOSITION GIVEN.
479
00:31:35,482 --> 00:31:38,032
THE VIOLENCE HAD ACCELERATED.
480
00:31:38,068 --> 00:31:42,238
IT HELPED ME KNOW
WHAT I WAS FACING.
481
00:31:42,275 --> 00:31:44,375
HE'S CONFIDENT
THE SURVIVORS' TESTIMONY
482
00:31:44,413 --> 00:31:46,863
WILL FINALLY PUT LITTLE AWAY.
483
00:31:46,896 --> 00:31:49,616
TONYA JACKSON IS FIRST UP
TO TESTIFY
484
00:31:49,655 --> 00:31:52,095
AT THE PRE-TRIAL HEARING.
485
00:31:52,137 --> 00:31:55,717
SHE EYELOCKS WITH US,
AND SHE'S CRYING.
486
00:31:55,758 --> 00:31:57,478
AND SHE HUGS US, SAYING,
YOU KNOW,
487
00:31:57,517 --> 00:32:00,377
"YOU GUYS, YOU SAVED ME."
488
00:32:00,413 --> 00:32:03,173
SHE TESTIFIED, DID AN OKAY JOB,
489
00:32:03,206 --> 00:32:06,686
AND THEN LAURIE BARROWS
TESTIFIED.
490
00:32:06,724 --> 00:32:09,624
SHE WAS AN EXCELLENT WITNESS.
491
00:32:09,655 --> 00:32:12,715
I THINK SHE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW,
"HE'S GONNA DO THIS AGAIN."
492
00:32:12,758 --> 00:32:14,631
AND SHE SHOULD DO WHATEVER
SHE COULD TO STOP HIM,
493
00:32:14,655 --> 00:32:15,995
WHICH SHE DID.
494
00:32:16,034 --> 00:32:18,314
AND FOR A GIRL IN HER POSITION.
495
00:32:18,344 --> 00:32:21,454
SHE WAS INCREDIBLY COURAGEOUS.
496
00:32:21,482 --> 00:32:24,692
LITTLE IS HELD OVER
TO STAND TRIAL,
497
00:32:24,724 --> 00:32:29,104
AND REMPEL IS DETERMINED
TO LOCK HIM UP FOR LIFE.
498
00:32:29,137 --> 00:32:31,687
BUT SOMETHING ABOUT
LAURIE BARROWS' TESTIMONY
499
00:32:31,724 --> 00:32:33,724
GNAWS AT HIM.
500
00:32:33,758 --> 00:32:35,138
SHE STUCK TO HER STORY.
501
00:32:35,172 --> 00:32:37,592
SHE WAS RAPED.
SHE WAS KIDNAPPED.
502
00:32:37,620 --> 00:32:40,340
BUT I JUST HAD A HUNCH
AND A FEELING ABOUT LAURIE.
503
00:32:40,379 --> 00:32:41,665
YOU KNOW, AND I TOOK HER
TO ANOTHER ROOM,
504
00:32:41,689 --> 00:32:43,320
AND I TALKED TO HER ABOUT IT,
AND SHE ADMITTED
505
00:32:43,344 --> 00:32:45,864
THAT SHE WAS WORKING PART-TIME
AS A PROSTITUTE
506
00:32:45,896 --> 00:32:49,306
TO SUPPLEMENT HER INCOME
AND TO SUPPORT HER DRUG HABIT.
507
00:32:49,344 --> 00:32:51,484
SHE WAS NOT, IN FACT, KIDNAPPED.
508
00:32:51,517 --> 00:32:53,687
SHE WAS NOT, IN FACT, RAPED.
509
00:32:53,724 --> 00:32:55,594
HER LIES
AT THE PRELIMINARY HEARING
510
00:32:55,620 --> 00:32:58,000
MADE A BIG DENT IN THE CASE
511
00:32:58,034 --> 00:33:01,904
BECAUSE THE JURY KNEW THAT
SHE HAD LIED WHILE UNDER OATH.
512
00:33:01,931 --> 00:33:04,031
SO THE QUESTION WAS ALWAYS
GOING TO BE,
513
00:33:04,068 --> 00:33:06,278
WAS SHE LYING NOW?
514
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:10,100
NO DOUBT SHE'D GONE THROUGH
A TREMENDOUS, VICIOUS,
515
00:33:10,137 --> 00:33:12,517
LIFE-CHANGING ATTACK.
516
00:33:12,551 --> 00:33:16,311
BUT WAS SHE CORRECT ABOUT
THE IDENTIFICATION?
517
00:33:16,344 --> 00:33:18,344
AND IF LAURIE BARROWS' TESTIMONY
518
00:33:18,379 --> 00:33:20,619
ISN'T PROBLEMATIC ENOUGH,
519
00:33:20,655 --> 00:33:26,445
TONYA JACKSON'S APPEARANCE WILL
TAKE THINGS FROM BAD TO WORSE.
520
00:33:26,482 --> 00:33:28,282
SHE WAS STAGGERING DRUNK
521
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:30,210
AS SHE TESTIFIED,
DRUNK ON THE STAND,
522
00:33:30,241 --> 00:33:32,241
AND I HAD TO SAY
SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
523
00:33:32,275 --> 00:33:34,095
WELL, I SAID, YOU KNOW,
"WHAT'S GOING ON?"
524
00:33:34,137 --> 00:33:35,424
AND SHE SAID,
"WELL, I HAD TO HAVE
525
00:33:35,448 --> 00:33:37,618
A COUPLE DRINKS TO COME HERE."
526
00:33:37,655 --> 00:33:40,025
REMPEL'S TWO GREATEST
ASSETS IN THE CASE
527
00:33:40,068 --> 00:33:43,208
ARE NOW LIABILITIES.
528
00:33:43,241 --> 00:33:44,691
AND I BELIEVED THEM BOTH.
529
00:33:44,724 --> 00:33:48,004
THERE WAS NO DOUBT WHAT HAPPENED
TO THEM IN MY MIND,
530
00:33:48,034 --> 00:33:51,524
BUT WE HAD ISSUES WITH BOTH
OF THEM THAT AFFECTED US
531
00:33:51,551 --> 00:33:55,481
WHEN THE DEFENSE
PUT ON THEIR CASE.
532
00:33:55,517 --> 00:33:57,407
THINGS GET STRANGER STILL
533
00:33:57,448 --> 00:34:01,758
WHEN LITTLE'S ATTORNEY
CALLS AN ALIBI WITNESS.
534
00:34:01,793 --> 00:34:06,033
SHE DESCRIBED HERSELF
AS HIS WIFE, ORELIA DORSEY.
535
00:34:06,068 --> 00:34:08,338
HE'S 44 AT THE TIME,
536
00:34:08,379 --> 00:34:11,099
AND THIS WOMAN LOOKS LIKE
SHE'S IN HER 70s.
537
00:34:11,137 --> 00:34:12,787
SHE WAS 71 YEARS OLD.
538
00:34:12,827 --> 00:34:14,067
SHE WAS WEARING A HAT
539
00:34:14,103 --> 00:34:16,833
LIKE YOU MIGHT COMMONLY WEAR
TO CHURCH.
540
00:34:16,862 --> 00:34:18,972
UNDER OATH, HOLDING THE BIBLE,
541
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,070
TESTIFIED THAT
THEY ARRIVED IN TOWN
542
00:34:22,103 --> 00:34:24,103
ONLY TWO DAYS BEFORE
543
00:34:24,137 --> 00:34:26,757
THE TONYA JACKSON ATTACK
OCCURRED.
544
00:34:26,793 --> 00:34:29,523
AND SHE STATED THAT
SHE'D TRAVELED FOR 13 YEARS
545
00:34:29,551 --> 00:34:30,861
WITH MR. LITTLE,
546
00:34:30,896 --> 00:34:34,336
AND HE'D NEVER CAUSED ANYBODY
ANY PROBLEMS AT ALL.
547
00:34:34,379 --> 00:34:38,479
SHE CAME ACROSS VERY CREDIBLE,
VERY SURE OF HERSELF, DIGNIFIED,
548
00:34:38,517 --> 00:34:41,167
LEFT ME LITTLE ROOM FOR ATTACK.
549
00:34:41,206 --> 00:34:44,166
AND THEN A BIGGER SURPRISE.
550
00:34:44,206 --> 00:34:48,376
THE DEFENSE CALLS LITTLE HIMSELF
TO THE STAND.
551
00:34:48,413 --> 00:34:50,343
FIRST DISTINGUISHING FEATURE WAS
552
00:34:50,379 --> 00:34:53,829
THE ROWS AND ROWS OF SCARS
553
00:34:53,862 --> 00:34:56,452
RUNNING FROM HIS CHIN
DOWN HIS NECK.
554
00:34:56,482 --> 00:34:59,102
THIS, IN MY OPINION,
IS SOMETHING YOU ONLY GET
555
00:34:59,137 --> 00:35:01,137
FROM SOMEBODY
SCRATCHING YOUR NECK.
556
00:35:01,172 --> 00:35:03,242
AND WHY WOULD SOMEBODY
BE SCRATCHING YOUR NECK
557
00:35:03,275 --> 00:35:05,585
TO THE POINT OF CAUSING
A COUPLE OF DOZEN,
558
00:35:05,620 --> 00:35:07,970
MAYBE MORE, PARALLEL SCARS?
559
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,310
THEY'RE GETTING
STRANGLED TO DEATH.
560
00:35:10,344 --> 00:35:12,034
THAT'S WHY.
561
00:35:12,068 --> 00:35:14,408
THE OTHER PHYSICAL FEATURE
THAT COULDN'T BE MISSED
562
00:35:14,448 --> 00:35:16,518
WAS THE SIZE
OF THIS GUY'S HANDS,
563
00:35:16,551 --> 00:35:19,861
IF THERE WAS EVER
A NATURAL-BORN STRANGLER,
564
00:35:19,896 --> 00:35:22,446
IT WAS SAMUEL LITTLE.
565
00:35:22,482 --> 00:35:25,932
HIS FINGERS WERE ABNORMALLY LONG
AND STRONG-LOOKING.
566
00:35:25,965 --> 00:35:30,235
HIS DEMEANOR WAS UNLIKE
OTHER VIOLENT PEOPLE
567
00:35:30,275 --> 00:35:31,685
I'VE SEEN IN THE COURTROOM.
568
00:35:31,724 --> 00:35:33,594
HE WAS HUMBLE. HE WAS STOOPED.
569
00:35:33,620 --> 00:35:35,520
HE SPOKE QUIETLY AND FIRMLY.
570
00:35:35,551 --> 00:35:37,761
THERE WAS ONE POINT ONLY
571
00:35:37,793 --> 00:35:39,723
THAT I COULD GET A RISE
OUT OF HIM...
572
00:35:39,758 --> 00:35:42,478
TALKING ABOUT HIM
STRANGLING TONYA.
573
00:35:42,517 --> 00:35:45,167
HE GREW INDIGNANT.
574
00:35:45,206 --> 00:35:47,786
HE DIDN'T GET WHAT
HE PAID FOR, HIS $20 WORTH,
575
00:35:47,827 --> 00:35:49,657
AND HE FELT THAT HE WAS CHEATED.
576
00:35:49,689 --> 00:35:52,859
AND HE SAID IN A LOUD TONE,
"SHE WAS TRYING TO CHEAT ME,
577
00:35:52,896 --> 00:35:55,336
AND THEN SHE ATTACKED ME,
AND I HAD TO PUT MY HANDS
578
00:35:55,379 --> 00:35:57,449
AROUND HER NECK
TO GET HER OFF ME."
579
00:35:57,482 --> 00:35:59,522
BETWEEN HIS WEAKENED PROSECUTION
580
00:35:59,551 --> 00:36:02,141
AND THE DEFENSE'S
STRONG SHOWING,
581
00:36:02,172 --> 00:36:07,382
REMPEL KNOWS HIS CASE NOW HINGES
ON HIS CLOSING ARGUMENT.
582
00:36:07,413 --> 00:36:11,003
I CHARACTERIZED HIM AS
MORE THAN A WOULD-BE MURDERER.
583
00:36:11,034 --> 00:36:13,624
HE WAS A TORTURE-MURDERER.
584
00:36:13,655 --> 00:36:16,065
THE CASE WENT OUT TO THE JURY.
585
00:36:16,103 --> 00:36:18,383
THE JURY DIDN'T TAKE
A LONG TIME,
586
00:36:18,413 --> 00:36:20,693
AND THEY CAME BACK HUNG
587
00:36:20,724 --> 00:36:24,384
NINE TO THREE FOR ACQUITTAL.
588
00:36:24,413 --> 00:36:26,763
I WAS INCREDULOUS.
589
00:36:26,793 --> 00:36:30,453
AS A LAST RESORT,
REMPEL OFFERS UP A PLEA DEAL
590
00:36:30,482 --> 00:36:34,902
HE HOPES WILL KEEP LITTLE OFF
THE STREET AS LONG AS POSSIBLE.
591
00:36:34,931 --> 00:36:37,521
IF HE WOULD PLEAD GUILTY
TO TWO ASSAULTS
592
00:36:37,551 --> 00:36:41,381
WITH INTENT TO COMMIT
GREAT BODILY INJURY
593
00:36:41,413 --> 00:36:43,663
AND GO TO PRISON
ON THOSE CHARGES,
594
00:36:43,689 --> 00:36:46,929
WE'D HAVE TO DISMISS
THE OTHER CHARGES AGAINST HIM.
595
00:36:46,965 --> 00:36:48,755
LITTLE TAKES THE DEAL
596
00:36:48,793 --> 00:36:52,483
AND GETS A FOUR-YEAR
PRISON SENTENCE.
597
00:36:52,517 --> 00:36:53,997
AT THE SENTENCING HEARING,
598
00:36:54,034 --> 00:36:56,934
I WAS RED-FACED
AND BASICALLY SHOUTING,
599
00:36:56,965 --> 00:36:59,275
"WELL, HE GETS OUT AGAIN,
AND HE WILL GET OUT,
600
00:36:59,310 --> 00:37:01,480
HE WILL CONTINUE KILLING."
601
00:37:05,758 --> 00:37:08,968
AFTER SERVING
JUST 30 MONTHS IN PRISON,
602
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:14,340
SAMUEL LITTLE WALKS FREE
IN FEBRUARY 1987.
603
00:37:14,379 --> 00:37:16,789
I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE
HE WAS GONNA TURN UP.
604
00:37:16,827 --> 00:37:19,617
HE PROBABLY WASN'T GONNA
TRY TO KILL AGAIN IN SAN DIEGO,
605
00:37:19,655 --> 00:37:23,235
BUT I KNEW HE'D GO SOMEWHERE
AND DO IT AGAIN.
606
00:37:28,034 --> 00:37:30,694
SOON AFTER HIS RELEASE
FROM PRISON,
607
00:37:30,724 --> 00:37:35,724
THE BODIES OF STRANGLED WOMEN
START TURNING UP IN LOS ANGELES.
608
00:37:35,758 --> 00:37:38,858
AND MORE THAN TWO DECADES LATER,
609
00:37:38,896 --> 00:37:41,716
THAT DNA TAKEN IN SAN DIEGO
610
00:37:41,758 --> 00:37:44,238
WILL COME BACK
TO HAUNT SAMUEL LITTLE.
611
00:38:27,137 --> 00:38:31,137
IN NOVEMBER 2012,
DETECTIVES IN L.A.
612
00:38:31,172 --> 00:38:35,172
ARE DESPERATELY UNCOVERING
SAMUEL LITTLE'S MURDEROUS PAST
613
00:38:35,206 --> 00:38:38,306
AND HIT PAY DIRT.
614
00:38:38,344 --> 00:38:42,344
AS THEY WERE BUILDING THE CASE,
THEY GOT A THIRD HIT ON DNA,
615
00:38:42,379 --> 00:38:45,099
AND THAT WAS CAROL ALFORD.
616
00:38:45,137 --> 00:38:47,717
41-YEAR-OLD CAROL ALFORD
617
00:38:47,758 --> 00:38:51,408
IS FOUND STRANGLED IN JULY 1987,
618
00:38:51,448 --> 00:38:56,518
JUST FIVE MONTHS AFTER LITTLE
GETS OUT OF PRISON IN SAN DIEGO.
619
00:38:56,551 --> 00:39:00,971
DNA FROM HER SHIRT IS MATCHED
TO THE SUSPECT,
620
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,970
JUST AS IT IS
WITH THE TWO VICTIMS
621
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,790
ALREADY LINKED TO LITTLE,
622
00:39:04,827 --> 00:39:09,377
AUDREY NELSON
AND GUADALUPE APODACA.
623
00:39:09,413 --> 00:39:12,483
HIS DNA WAS ON ALL THREE
OF THE VICTIMS.
624
00:39:12,517 --> 00:39:14,307
THEY ALL DIED THE SAME WAY.
625
00:39:14,344 --> 00:39:17,144
THE MANNER OF DEATH
WAS THE SAME.
626
00:39:17,172 --> 00:39:20,622
ALL THREE L.A. VICTIMS
ARE ALSO FOUND STRANGLED
627
00:39:20,655 --> 00:39:26,475
WITHIN THE VICINITY OF
LITTLE'S APARTMENT AT THE TIME.
628
00:39:26,517 --> 00:39:31,237
THE D.A. CAN NOW TRY HIM
FOR MULTIPLE MURDERS,
629
00:39:31,275 --> 00:39:34,685
AND THERE'S NO CHARGE,
PER SAY, FOR SERIAL MURDER,
630
00:39:34,724 --> 00:39:36,764
BUT THEY CAN CHARGE
MULTIPLE MURDERS,
631
00:39:36,793 --> 00:39:39,143
AND THEN THAT'S WHAT'S CALLED
A SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE
632
00:39:39,172 --> 00:39:42,212
AND ALLOWS THEM TO SEEK
THE DEATH PENALTY.
633
00:39:47,413 --> 00:39:49,343
IN ADDITION TO THE DNA EVIDENCE
634
00:39:49,379 --> 00:39:52,139
LINKING LITTLE
TO THE THREE MURDERS,
635
00:39:52,172 --> 00:39:55,592
THE PROSECUTION ESTABLISHES
A PATTERN OF SIMILAR CRIMES
636
00:39:55,620 --> 00:39:58,380
OUTSIDE OF L.A.
637
00:39:58,413 --> 00:40:00,073
HE HAD A FEW SURVIVORS,
638
00:40:00,103 --> 00:40:03,763
AND THEY HAD DOCUMENTED
THESE REALLY BRUTAL ASSAULTS
639
00:40:03,793 --> 00:40:08,933
AND KIND OF REMARKABLE INSTANCES
WHERE THESE WOMEN SURVIVED.
640
00:40:08,965 --> 00:40:13,335
THERE WERE TWO IN SAN DIEGO,
AND THEY FOUND THESE CASES
641
00:40:13,379 --> 00:40:15,789
IN MISSISSIPPI
WHERE THESE TWO PROSTITUTES
642
00:40:15,827 --> 00:40:19,097
WHO HAD BEEN SEVERELY BEATEN.
643
00:40:19,137 --> 00:40:22,337
WITH THOSE WITNESSES,
644
00:40:22,379 --> 00:40:24,659
I THINK THEY HAD
A REALLY STRONG CASE,
645
00:40:24,689 --> 00:40:26,619
BETWEEN THAT AND THE DNA
646
00:40:26,655 --> 00:40:31,025
AND JUST SORT OF BEING ABLE
TO SHOW THAT PATTERN,
647
00:40:31,068 --> 00:40:36,068
SEEING HOW THE BODIES WERE
DUMPED THE SAME WAY AND THAT,
648
00:40:36,103 --> 00:40:40,343
YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE OTHER
SURVIVORS HAD SIMILAR SCENARIOS.
649
00:40:42,931 --> 00:40:46,621
ON SEPTEMBER 2nd, 2014,
650
00:40:46,655 --> 00:40:48,755
AFTER TWO WEEKS OF TESTIMONY,
651
00:40:48,793 --> 00:40:53,033
74-YEAR-OLD SAMUEL LITTLE
IS FOUND GUILTY OF THE MURDERS
652
00:40:53,068 --> 00:40:54,478
OF CAROL ALFORD,
653
00:40:54,517 --> 00:40:56,517
GUADALUPE APODACA,
654
00:40:56,551 --> 00:40:58,481
AND AUDREY NELSON.
655
00:41:01,827 --> 00:41:06,857
IT'S AN EMOTIONAL TIME FOR THE
FAMILIES OF THE MURDERED WOMEN.
656
00:41:06,896 --> 00:41:08,686
YOU KNOW, THAT MUST HAVE BEEN
THE WORST PART,
657
00:41:08,724 --> 00:41:11,174
NOT KNOWING,
YOU KNOW, WHO DID IT.
658
00:41:11,206 --> 00:41:14,616
I'VE HAD A GAPING HOLE
IN MY HEART FOR 25 YEARS.
659
00:41:16,275 --> 00:41:19,925
IT'S A VERY TOUGH TIME, BUT...
660
00:41:19,965 --> 00:41:22,335
I'M GLAD IT'S OVER.
661
00:41:22,379 --> 00:41:25,169
AFTER A LIFETIME
OF SKIRTING JUSTICE,
662
00:41:25,206 --> 00:41:29,096
HE'S SENTENCED TO
THREE CONSECUTIVE LIFE TERMS.
663
00:41:31,551 --> 00:41:32,700
HE CLAIMED
THERE WAS SOME EVIDENCE
664
00:41:32,724 --> 00:41:34,524
THAT THEY HAD SUPPRESSED
OR SOMETHING
665
00:41:34,551 --> 00:41:37,971
THAT WAS GOING TO,
YOU KNOW, CLEAR HIM EVENTUALLY.
666
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,790
THIS CONVICTION
WAS BROUGHT ON BY LIES
667
00:41:41,827 --> 00:41:45,407
AND LIARS COACHED BY LIARS.
668
00:41:45,448 --> 00:41:50,278
WHEN THEY WHEELED HIM OUT
OF COURT AFTER HE WAS CONVICTED,
669
00:41:50,310 --> 00:41:53,310
HE HAD HIS HAND UP IN THE AIR
IN DEFIANCE
670
00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:56,694
AND MAINTAINED HIS INNOCENCE
THROUGHOUT.
671
00:41:59,482 --> 00:42:02,762
AS LITTLE FILES
APPEAL AFTER APPEAL,
672
00:42:02,793 --> 00:42:05,553
FBI CRIME ANALYST
CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO
673
00:42:05,586 --> 00:42:08,446
NEVER LOSES SIGHT OF HIM.
674
00:42:08,482 --> 00:42:11,242
SHE REMAINS CONVINCED
THAT HE'S RESPONSIBLE
675
00:42:11,275 --> 00:42:15,925
FOR DENISE BROTHERS'
1994 MURDER IN ODESSA, TEXAS.
676
00:42:19,758 --> 00:42:22,028
IT WAS ALWAYS ON MY MIND
677
00:42:22,068 --> 00:42:25,588
AS ONE OF THE PARTICULARLY
COMPELLING LEADS
678
00:42:25,620 --> 00:42:27,170
THAT I HAD SENT OUT,
679
00:42:27,206 --> 00:42:30,206
AND SO I WAS ALWAYS HOPING
THAT SOMEDAY
680
00:42:30,241 --> 00:42:32,721
WE'D BE ABLE TO DO MORE WITH IT.
681
00:42:42,103 --> 00:42:45,453
IN 2018, SHE GETS HER CHANCE.
682
00:42:47,827 --> 00:42:50,277
HER COLLEAGUE ANGELA WILLIAMSON
GETS A CALL
683
00:42:50,310 --> 00:42:56,100
FROM TEXAS RANGER JIM HOLLAND
ASKING ABOUT SAMUEL LITTLE.
684
00:42:56,137 --> 00:42:57,787
I LITERALLY LEANED BACK
AND SAID,
685
00:42:57,827 --> 00:43:00,207
"CHRISTIE, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD
OF THIS GUY?"
686
00:43:00,241 --> 00:43:02,211
KNOWING
SHE WAS ON THE PHONE WITH JIM,
687
00:43:02,241 --> 00:43:04,551
I CALL BACK, AND I SAY, "YEAH.
688
00:43:04,586 --> 00:43:07,236
ASK HIM ABOUT
THE DENISE BROTHERS HOMICIDE.
689
00:43:07,275 --> 00:43:11,585
IT'S IN ODESSA... IT'S TEXAS.
THAT'S HIS TERRITORY."
690
00:43:11,620 --> 00:43:14,340
THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE
SOME SORT OF NEXUS BACK TO TEXAS
691
00:43:14,379 --> 00:43:16,239
FOR THE RANGERS TO BE INVOLVED.
692
00:43:16,275 --> 00:43:19,065
YOU KNOW, THEY ARE
A VERY SPECIALIZED UNIT
693
00:43:19,103 --> 00:43:21,283
AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF SKILLS,
694
00:43:21,310 --> 00:43:24,550
BUT THEY CAN'T JUST RUN AROUND
THE COUNTRY DOING INTERVIEWS
695
00:43:24,586 --> 00:43:25,716
ON BEHALF OF OTHER AGENCIES.
696
00:43:25,758 --> 00:43:27,548
THERE HAS TO BE SOME...
697
00:43:27,586 --> 00:43:31,406
SOME CONNECTION BACK TO TEXAS
FOR THEM TO GO.
698
00:43:33,965 --> 00:43:36,025
THE ODESSA CONNECTION TO HOLLAND
699
00:43:36,068 --> 00:43:38,898
IS JUST THE LINK
THE CRIME ANALYST NEEDS.
700
00:43:40,586 --> 00:43:44,616
THE TEAM OF THREE... PALAZZOLO,
WILLIAMSON, AND HOLLAND...
701
00:43:44,655 --> 00:43:47,995
NOW HAVE A JOINT MISSION...
TO GET LITTLE'S CONFESSION
702
00:43:48,034 --> 00:43:50,484
FOR THE MURDER
OF DENISE BROTHERS
703
00:43:50,517 --> 00:43:53,757
AND POSSIBLY MANY MORE.
704
00:43:53,793 --> 00:43:56,453
THE VICTIMS...
THEIR VOICE WAS STOLEN,
705
00:43:56,482 --> 00:44:00,832
SO THEY NEED SOMEBODY ELSE
TO BE THEIR VOICE.
706
00:44:00,862 --> 00:44:02,631
THAT'S KIND OF HOW
IT GOT STARTED...
707
00:44:02,655 --> 00:44:06,855
THE STARS ALIGNING AND EVERYONE
KIND OF COMING TOGETHER.
708
00:44:06,896 --> 00:44:09,856
THAT'S WHERE WE CAN TRACE
THE ORIGIN BACK
709
00:44:09,896 --> 00:44:13,586
TO THIS WHOLE INVESTIGATION
INTO SAMUEL LITTLE.
710
00:44:15,137 --> 00:44:18,997
THEIR PLAN...
CONFRONT LITTLE IN PERSON.
711
00:44:19,034 --> 00:44:22,624
HOLLAND, AN EXPERT
IN INTERVIEWING PSYCHOPATHS,
712
00:44:22,655 --> 00:44:24,895
WILL FACE OFF WITH THE KILLER.
713
00:44:24,931 --> 00:44:26,661
THIS TIME, WE HAD SOMEBODY
WHO WOULD BE ABLE
714
00:44:26,689 --> 00:44:29,029
TO FOLLOW UP DIRECTLY
WITH LITTLE
715
00:44:29,068 --> 00:44:32,858
AND CONFRONT HIM
ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
716
00:44:32,896 --> 00:44:34,166
AND WE'LL KNOW THESE CASES
717
00:44:34,206 --> 00:44:37,826
AND BE ABLE TO HELP GUIDE JIM
WITH HIS QUESTIONS
718
00:44:37,862 --> 00:44:40,762
TO HELP CORROBORATE ANYTHING
THAT HE MIGHT SAY.
719
00:44:42,827 --> 00:44:45,657
THE WAY
JIM WORKS IS A LOT OF RESPECT
720
00:44:45,689 --> 00:44:50,279
AND A LOT OF LETTING
LITTLE TELL HIS NARRATIVE.
721
00:44:50,310 --> 00:44:53,280
I ALWAYS JUST THOUGHT
IT WAS GOING TO WORK.
722
00:44:53,310 --> 00:44:55,930
FOUR YEARS
AFTER THE L.A. MURDER TRIAL,
723
00:44:55,965 --> 00:44:58,685
THE TIMING IS RIGHT.
724
00:44:58,724 --> 00:45:00,389
LITTLE... HE HAD NINE LIVES.
725
00:45:00,413 --> 00:45:03,763
HE GOT OFF CHARGES.
HE GOT ACQUITTED ON THINGS.
726
00:45:03,793 --> 00:45:07,413
HE THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO FIGHT
AND WIN AN APPEAL
727
00:45:07,448 --> 00:45:08,968
ON THE LATEST CONVICTION.
728
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,860
SO HE WASN'T TALKING TO ANYONE.
729
00:45:10,896 --> 00:45:12,756
BUT WHEN WE ALL CAME TOGETHER,
730
00:45:12,793 --> 00:45:15,663
THOSE APPEALS
HAD BEEN EXHAUSTED.
731
00:45:15,689 --> 00:45:17,589
HE KNEW AND WE KNEW
732
00:45:17,620 --> 00:45:20,720
THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE IN JAIL
FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE.
733
00:45:20,758 --> 00:45:23,858
THERE WAS NO MORE REASON
NOT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
734
00:45:25,344 --> 00:45:28,664
THE QUESTION IS, WILL HE?
735
00:45:28,689 --> 00:45:32,169
THEN THE PLANNING STARTED.
736
00:45:32,206 --> 00:45:34,786
TO ARM YOURSELF WITH
AS MUCH INFORMATION IS CRITICAL
737
00:45:34,827 --> 00:45:36,547
WHEN YOU GO IN
FOR ONE OF THESE INTERVIEWS.
738
00:45:36,586 --> 00:45:39,756
SO THAT'S WHAT WE SPENT
THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS DOING,
739
00:45:39,793 --> 00:45:44,453
IS JUST AS COMPLETE
A PICTURE AS POSSIBLE.
740
00:45:44,482 --> 00:45:46,072
IT'S A DEEPER DIVE
741
00:45:46,103 --> 00:45:50,483
THAN PALAZZOLO'S
FIRST GO-AROUND IN 2013.
742
00:45:50,517 --> 00:45:52,137
NOW WE'RE TRYING TO LEARN MORE
743
00:45:52,172 --> 00:45:55,342
ABOUT LITTLE AS A PERSON
AND WHO HE WAS
744
00:45:55,379 --> 00:45:59,999
SO THAT RANGER HOLLAND
COULD HOPEFULLY TALK TO HIM.
745
00:46:00,034 --> 00:46:03,034
LAPD PROVIDED US
A LOT OF DOCUMENTATION,
746
00:46:03,068 --> 00:46:05,548
WHICH CHRISTIE AND I SPENT
A LOT OF TIME GOING THROUGH
747
00:46:05,586 --> 00:46:08,716
SO WE COULD GIVE JIM
PIECES OF INFORMATION
748
00:46:08,758 --> 00:46:10,718
THAT WOULD BE USEFUL
FOR THE INTERVIEW...
749
00:46:10,758 --> 00:46:12,788
YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE
LITTLE LIKED TO BOX,
750
00:46:12,827 --> 00:46:16,757
AND HE LIKED TO DRAW...
HE LIKED TO PAINT.
751
00:46:16,793 --> 00:46:19,173
HE'D DONE A MURAL IN A PRISON
BEFOREHAND
752
00:46:22,206 --> 00:46:24,406
INSIGHT INTO HIS LIFE.
753
00:46:29,862 --> 00:46:32,902
SAMUEL LITTLE IS BORN IN 1940
754
00:46:32,931 --> 00:46:35,481
AND GROWS UP IN LORAIN, OHIO.
755
00:46:38,793 --> 00:46:42,243
LITTLE
IS HIS MOTHER'S LAST NAME.
756
00:46:42,275 --> 00:46:47,685
SOMETIMES, HE ALSO USES
HIS DAD'S FAMILY NAME, McDOWELL.
757
00:46:47,724 --> 00:46:50,113
HERE IS SOMEBODY
WHO WAS BORN TO A VERY YOUNG MOM
758
00:46:50,137 --> 00:46:54,787
WHO WAS UNABLE TO TAKE CARE
OF HIM FROM A VERY EARLY AGE.
759
00:46:54,827 --> 00:46:59,027
HE BEGINS TO HAVE PROBLEMS
AT SCHOOL,
760
00:46:59,068 --> 00:47:02,618
AND AS EARLY AS AGE 13,
761
00:47:02,655 --> 00:47:05,585
IS STARTING TO GET INVOLVED
IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
762
00:47:08,310 --> 00:47:11,280
HE ENDED UP LIVING WITH
HIS BIOLOGICAL MOTHER
763
00:47:11,310 --> 00:47:13,690
FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
764
00:47:13,724 --> 00:47:16,034
SHE DIED IN 1973,
765
00:47:16,068 --> 00:47:19,518
AND SHORTLY THEREAFTER,
THAT'S WHEN HE HIT THE ROAD
766
00:47:19,551 --> 00:47:22,931
AND NEVER REALLY HAD
A SOLID ADDRESS
767
00:47:22,965 --> 00:47:25,375
FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME
AFTER THAT.
768
00:47:29,586 --> 00:47:32,336
LITTLE SOON MEETS ORELIA DORSEY,
769
00:47:32,379 --> 00:47:36,069
WHO WILL LATER TESTIFY FOR HIM
IN THE SAN DIEGO TRIAL.
770
00:47:36,103 --> 00:47:39,003
ORELIA DORSEY
WAS A MUCH OLDER WOMAN THAN HIM.
771
00:47:39,034 --> 00:47:40,794
THEY MET IN A PRISON.
772
00:47:40,827 --> 00:47:43,787
I THINK IT WAS IN OHIO.
773
00:47:43,827 --> 00:47:47,827
SAM WAS ARRESTED
FOR ARMED ROBBERY.
774
00:47:47,862 --> 00:47:49,592
AND AFTER HE WAS RELEASED,
775
00:47:49,620 --> 00:47:53,410
THEY TRAVELED TOGETHER
FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE.
776
00:47:53,448 --> 00:47:56,168
SHE WOULD SHOPLIFT,
AND THEN HE WOULD TURN AROUND
777
00:47:56,206 --> 00:47:58,516
AND SELL IT TO PEOPLE
ON THE STREET,
778
00:47:58,551 --> 00:48:00,341
AND THAT'S HOW THEY
MADE THEIR MONEY.
779
00:48:04,655 --> 00:48:09,585
ORELIA SIDED WITH HIM
UNTIL THE DAY SHE DIED.
780
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,140
"NO, HE'D NEVER DO THIS.
HE WOULD NEVER DO THAT.
781
00:48:14,172 --> 00:48:15,312
SAM'S A GOOD MAN,"
782
00:48:15,344 --> 00:48:16,974
EVEN THOUGH
HE BEAT THE HELL OUT OF HER.
783
00:48:24,620 --> 00:48:27,240
HE MAY HAVE BEEN ATTACHED TO HER
784
00:48:27,275 --> 00:48:30,825
TO THE EXTENT THAT HE COULD BE
ATTACHED TO ANYBODY,
785
00:48:30,862 --> 00:48:33,172
BUT A LOT OF IT
WAS JUST TRANSACTIONAL...
786
00:48:33,206 --> 00:48:34,756
HE'S WITH SOMEBODY
787
00:48:34,793 --> 00:48:39,383
THAT'S GOING TO HELP HIM
GET HIS NEEDS MET.
788
00:48:39,413 --> 00:48:41,693
THE SHOPLIFTING
BRINGS IN ENOUGH MONEY
789
00:48:41,724 --> 00:48:43,764
FOR LITTLE
TO BUY A SERIES OF CARS
790
00:48:43,793 --> 00:48:46,973
HE USES
TO CRISSCROSS THE COUNTRY.
791
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,000
IN SEARCH OF HIS PREY.
792
00:49:03,482 --> 00:49:08,212
SO HOW DOES HE GET AWAY WITH IT
FOR SO LONG?
793
00:49:08,241 --> 00:49:10,971
IT STARTS WITH HIS M.O.
794
00:49:12,827 --> 00:49:15,237
WHEN YOU HAVE
MANUAL STRANGULATION,
795
00:49:15,275 --> 00:49:17,655
IT'S OFTEN ONE OF THE HARDEST
TO IDENTIFY,
796
00:49:17,689 --> 00:49:19,589
ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S
ANY KIND OF TIME
797
00:49:19,620 --> 00:49:21,660
BETWEEN
WHEN THE VICTIM WAS KILLED
798
00:49:21,689 --> 00:49:23,659
AND WHEN THE BODY IS RECOVERED.
799
00:49:27,275 --> 00:49:30,475
THEN, THERE'S
LITTLE'S CHOICE OF VICTIMS,
800
00:49:30,517 --> 00:49:33,207
A LOT OF HIS VICTIMS
DID SEX WORK.
801
00:49:33,241 --> 00:49:37,311
SOMETIMES THEY WERE RUNAWAYS,
HITCHHIKERS,
802
00:49:37,344 --> 00:49:43,414
JUST WOMEN WHO WERE HIGH RISK,
THAT WERE VULNERABLE.
803
00:49:43,448 --> 00:49:45,138
HE REALLY BELIEVED,
804
00:49:45,172 --> 00:49:46,552
AND, UNFORTUNATELY,
805
00:49:46,586 --> 00:49:48,716
THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME EVIDENCE
TO BACK HIM UP
806
00:49:48,758 --> 00:49:51,658
THAT, IF HE TARGETED
THESE INDIVIDUALS,
807
00:49:51,689 --> 00:49:55,409
LAW ENFORCEMENT ISN'T GOING
TO BE AS CONCERNED ABOUT THEM.
808
00:49:55,448 --> 00:49:59,448
ESPECIALLY
IN THE 1980s AND '90s.
809
00:50:01,068 --> 00:50:03,278
WE HAD
THE CRACK EPIDEMIC GOING ON.
810
00:50:03,310 --> 00:50:04,860
POLICE OFFICERS
WERE STRETCHED SO THIN,
811
00:50:04,896 --> 00:50:07,406
THEY WERE HAVING TO MAKE
THESE DIFFICULT DECISIONS,
812
00:50:07,448 --> 00:50:10,378
PLUS THE FACT THAT HE KNEW
THE LEGAL SYSTEM...
813
00:50:10,413 --> 00:50:12,033
HE'D BEEN INVOLVED
IN THE LEGAL SYSTEM
814
00:50:12,068 --> 00:50:14,718
SINCE HE WAS 13 YEARS OLD.
815
00:50:14,758 --> 00:50:17,338
HE FOLLOWED A REAL PLAYBOOK,
816
00:50:17,379 --> 00:50:19,479
AND IT WORKED
TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
817
00:50:19,517 --> 00:50:23,167
HE MOVED FREQUENTLY.
HE USED DIFFERENT NAMES.
818
00:50:23,206 --> 00:50:25,166
HE TRAVELED
WITH AN ALIBI WITNESS.
819
00:50:25,206 --> 00:50:26,756
HE LEFT NO WEAPONS.
820
00:50:26,793 --> 00:50:29,103
HE PICKED VICTIMS
WHO WOULDN'T BE MISSED.
821
00:50:31,068 --> 00:50:32,278
INCLUDING,
822
00:50:32,310 --> 00:50:34,520
AS PALAZZOLO AND WILLIAMSON
DISCOVER,
823
00:50:34,551 --> 00:50:37,451
A SERIES OF 1982 MURDERS
824
00:50:37,482 --> 00:50:40,692
THAT HORRIFY POLICE
ACROSS TWO STATES.
825
00:50:44,862 --> 00:50:46,622
WE'VE HAD OTHER PEOPLE
KILL PROSTITUTES,
826
00:50:46,655 --> 00:50:48,785
SO IT'S NOT JUST THAT
827
00:50:48,827 --> 00:50:51,517
WE'RE LOOKING FOR
A VIOLENT INDIVIDUAL HERE.
828
00:50:51,551 --> 00:50:53,831
I DON'T THINK WE EVER THOUGHT
WE WERE GOING TO FIND HIM.
829
00:51:35,896 --> 00:51:38,926
CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO
AND ANGELA WILLIAMSON
830
00:51:38,965 --> 00:51:40,715
ARE LOOKING INTO TWO MURDERS
831
00:51:40,758 --> 00:51:44,858
POLICE SUSPECT SAMUEL LITTLE
COMMITTED IN 1982.
832
00:51:57,620 --> 00:51:59,210
MINDY HAD BEEN WORKING
A STREETCORNER
833
00:51:59,241 --> 00:52:03,521
WITH A FEW OTHERS
DOWN IN PASCAGOULA,
834
00:52:03,551 --> 00:52:05,241
WHICH HAS A BIG SHIPYARD THERE.
835
00:52:05,275 --> 00:52:07,755
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT
OF THAT KIND OF CLIENTELE.
836
00:52:09,310 --> 00:52:14,070
AND HER FRIENDS SAW HER
GET INTO THE CAR WITH THIS GUY,
837
00:52:14,103 --> 00:52:19,143
AND THEY NEVER SAW HER AGAIN.
838
00:52:19,172 --> 00:52:21,312
22-YEAR-OLD MELINDA LaPREE
839
00:52:21,344 --> 00:52:23,664
COMES FROM SMALL-TOWN
NEW HAMPSHIRE.
840
00:52:23,689 --> 00:52:27,139
HER FAMILY CALLS HER "MINDY."
841
00:52:27,172 --> 00:52:30,312
SHE WAS A VERY HAPPY KID...
SHE REALLY WAS.
842
00:52:30,344 --> 00:52:32,414
SHE WAS THE LIGHT
OF MY MOTHER'S LIFE,
843
00:52:32,448 --> 00:52:34,588
AND MY MOTHER JUST ADORED HER.
844
00:52:34,620 --> 00:52:37,000
IN 1967,
845
00:52:37,034 --> 00:52:40,974
MINDY'S MOTHER HAS COMPLICATIONS
DELIVERING HER FIFTH CHILD.
846
00:52:42,965 --> 00:52:44,965
WE JUST LOST HER OVERNIGHT.
847
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,590
SHE GAVE BIRTH
AND DIED 12 HOURS LATER.
848
00:52:47,620 --> 00:52:49,790
SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT WAS
A LONG, DRAWN-OUT THING
849
00:52:49,827 --> 00:52:51,857
THAT YOU KIND OF
PREPARE YOURSELF FOR.
850
00:52:52,931 --> 00:52:55,451
WE WERE ALL DEVASTATED.
851
00:52:55,482 --> 00:52:59,072
DAD WAS ABSOLUTELY SHATTERED.
852
00:52:59,103 --> 00:53:01,863
HE WASN'T A VERY ACTIVE PARENT,
ANYWAY,
853
00:53:01,896 --> 00:53:08,096
SO BEING WIDOWED
AT 45 OR 44 YEARS OLD
854
00:53:08,137 --> 00:53:09,337
WITH FIVE CHILDREN...
855
00:53:09,379 --> 00:53:12,549
PRETTY MUCH HAD NO IDEA
WHAT TO DO.
856
00:53:12,586 --> 00:53:16,336
BIG SISTER PAT
STEPS UP TO THE PLATE.
857
00:53:16,379 --> 00:53:18,309
SHE DECIDED SHE WANTED
TO TRY TO PLAY THE GUITAR,
858
00:53:18,344 --> 00:53:19,764
SO I SHOWED HER A FEW THINGS.
859
00:53:19,793 --> 00:53:21,693
AND I ONLY SHOWED HER
A FEW THINGS,
860
00:53:21,724 --> 00:53:23,834
AND SHE TOOK OFF WITH THAT.
861
00:53:23,862 --> 00:53:26,592
WE FOUND HER A USED FLUTE.
862
00:53:26,620 --> 00:53:27,930
SHE BASICALLY TAUGHT HERSELF
863
00:53:27,965 --> 00:53:29,405
ANYTHING SHE WANTED TO...
864
00:53:29,448 --> 00:53:32,448
THE FLUTE AND THE GUITAR
AND THE PIANO.
865
00:53:32,482 --> 00:53:35,792
SHE COULD LISTEN TO A PIECE
AND THEN PLAY IT BACK.
866
00:53:35,827 --> 00:53:37,517
GENIUS... THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
867
00:53:37,551 --> 00:53:40,551
IT REALLY IS... IT'S GENIUS.
868
00:53:40,586 --> 00:53:43,926
BUT THEIR DAD DOESN'T
APPRECIATE MINDY'S GIFTS,
869
00:53:43,965 --> 00:53:47,445
AND HAS A HAIR-TRIGGER TEMPER.
870
00:53:47,482 --> 00:53:48,932
SHE TALKED BACK TO HIM,
871
00:53:48,965 --> 00:53:53,335
AND THAT'S WHAT REALLY WOULD
SET HIM OFF IS TALKING BACK.
872
00:53:53,379 --> 00:53:54,549
HIS FAVORITE WAS
873
00:53:54,586 --> 00:53:56,546
THE BACK OF HIS HAND
TO THE BACK OF YOUR HEAD
874
00:53:56,586 --> 00:53:58,066
KIND OF THING,
875
00:53:58,103 --> 00:54:01,833
AND HE HAD A BIG HAND AND A BIG
MARINE CORPS RING ON IT.
876
00:54:01,862 --> 00:54:03,832
HE BEAT HER AND DRAGGED HER
AROUND BY HER HAIR
877
00:54:03,862 --> 00:54:05,282
AND THAT SORT OF THING.
878
00:54:05,310 --> 00:54:09,280
THE OLDER MINDY GETS,
THE MORE SHE ACTS OUT.
879
00:54:09,310 --> 00:54:10,760
SNEAKING OUT OF THE HOUSE,
880
00:54:10,793 --> 00:54:13,663
DATING OLDER BOYS,
DRINKING AND DRUGGING.
881
00:54:13,689 --> 00:54:16,789
BY THE TIME SHE WAS 12...
882
00:54:16,827 --> 00:54:20,167
SHE WAS PRETTY MUCH
ACTIVELY ADDICTED.
883
00:54:20,206 --> 00:54:21,389
WHEN SHE WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL,
884
00:54:21,413 --> 00:54:26,003
SHE WAS INVOLVED
IN SEX AND DRUGS,
885
00:54:26,034 --> 00:54:29,004
BOTH USING AND DEALING.
886
00:54:29,034 --> 00:54:31,079
I THINK MINDY WAS TRYING
TO ESCAPE THE SITUATION
887
00:54:31,103 --> 00:54:34,173
AT HOME WITH DAD,
WITH HAVING NO MOM
888
00:54:34,206 --> 00:54:38,896
BEING, YOU KNOW,
A BIG HOLE IN HER HEART.
889
00:54:38,931 --> 00:54:42,031
EVEN SO,
MINDY GETS ALL A's IN SCHOOL
890
00:54:42,068 --> 00:54:46,068
AND GRADUATES A YEAR EARLY.
891
00:54:46,103 --> 00:54:48,383
SHE LEAVES NEW HAMPSHIRE
IN THE REARVIEW
892
00:54:48,413 --> 00:54:53,343
AND HEADS SOUTH,
FINDING WORK WHEREVER SHE CAN.
893
00:54:53,379 --> 00:54:56,449
SHE WAS A BOUNCER IN A BAR.
894
00:54:56,482 --> 00:54:59,242
PRETTY HEADSTRONG,
STRONG-WILLED PERSON.
895
00:54:59,275 --> 00:55:01,375
I MEAN, SHE WAS TALKING TO ME
FROM A BAR ONE TIME
896
00:55:01,413 --> 00:55:02,833
AND HAD TO STEP AWAY
897
00:55:02,862 --> 00:55:05,932
SO SHE COULD SMACK A GUY
AND TAKE HIS GUN AWAY FROM HIM.
898
00:55:05,965 --> 00:55:08,375
AND I SAID, "MINDY, YOU KNOW,
COME ON. LET'S BE REAL HERE.
899
00:55:08,413 --> 00:55:10,103
WHY DON'T YOU JUST
COME ON BACK?"
900
00:55:10,137 --> 00:55:11,547
AND I JUST REMEMBER THINKING,
901
00:55:11,586 --> 00:55:14,136
"YOU KNOW, WHERE IS...
WHEN'S THIS GOING TO END?"
902
00:55:16,724 --> 00:55:21,214
BY 1982, MINDY LANDS
IN PASCAGOULA, MISSISSIPPI,
903
00:55:21,241 --> 00:55:23,001
WITH A GUY NAMED BILL.
904
00:55:25,275 --> 00:55:29,275
IT ISN'T A PRETTY LIFE.
905
00:55:29,310 --> 00:55:30,620
I KNEW THAT SHE WAS DOING...
906
00:55:30,655 --> 00:55:32,335
SELLING DRUGS,
907
00:55:32,379 --> 00:55:35,379
THAT SHE WAS A SEX WORKER.
908
00:55:35,413 --> 00:55:36,769
YOU KNOW,
IT'S KIND OF HARD TO FACE
909
00:55:36,793 --> 00:55:39,523
THAT THIS IS WHAT
YOUR SISTER IS DOING.
910
00:55:39,551 --> 00:55:41,071
THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS
911
00:55:41,103 --> 00:55:43,973
THAT PEOPLE WIND UP ENGAGING
IN PROSTITUTION.
912
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,100
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY
IN THE WORLD
913
00:55:46,137 --> 00:55:48,377
WHO'S WOKEN UP
WHEN THEY'RE 7 YEARS OLD
914
00:55:48,413 --> 00:55:50,355
AND SAID, "DO YOU KNOW WHAT
I WANT TO BE WHEN I GROW UP?
915
00:55:50,379 --> 00:55:52,169
A PROSTITUTE."
916
00:55:55,241 --> 00:55:57,551
IN LATE AUGUST 1982,
917
00:55:57,586 --> 00:56:01,966
MINDY GIVES BIRTH
TO A SON NAMED WILL.
918
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,690
SHE CALLED TO SAY
SHE'D HAD A BABY BOY.
919
00:56:04,724 --> 00:56:06,934
AND I SAID, "CAN I ASK YOU
ONE MORE TIME...
920
00:56:06,965 --> 00:56:08,995
WILL YOU PLEASE COME HOME?
921
00:56:09,034 --> 00:56:11,834
BRING YOUR SON. COME HOME."
922
00:56:11,862 --> 00:56:13,902
AND SHE SAID,
"NO, NO. I'M FINE. WE'RE GOOD.
923
00:56:13,931 --> 00:56:16,901
BILL AND I ARE GOOD.
IT'S ALL GOOD."
924
00:56:16,931 --> 00:56:19,481
AND THAT WAS THE END
OF THE CONVERSATION.
925
00:56:19,517 --> 00:56:21,857
"I'LL TALK TO YOU SOON. BYE."
CLICK.
926
00:56:25,206 --> 00:56:27,406
THEY'LL NEVER SPEAK AGAIN.
927
00:56:38,413 --> 00:56:39,803
MY FATHER
HAD BEEN CALLED BY BILL,
928
00:56:39,827 --> 00:56:41,827
SAYING THAT MINDY WAS MISSING.
929
00:56:41,862 --> 00:56:44,072
IT WAS AFTER LABOR DAY.
930
00:56:44,103 --> 00:56:48,903
I MEAN, SHE GAVE BIRTH TO WILL
ON THE 25th OF AUGUST,
931
00:56:48,931 --> 00:56:50,286
SO IT WASN'T MUCH LONG...
YOU KNOW,
932
00:56:50,310 --> 00:56:52,030
A COUPLE OF WEEKS MAYBE...
933
00:56:52,068 --> 00:56:55,098
AND THEN... SHE WAS, YOU KNOW...
934
00:56:55,137 --> 00:56:57,447
BILL REPORTED HER MISSING.
935
00:56:57,482 --> 00:56:59,692
OCTOBER 4th,
YOU HAD AN INDIVIDUAL
936
00:56:59,724 --> 00:57:03,454
THAT WAS KEEPING UP WITH
THE MAINTENANCE OF THE CEMETERY.
937
00:57:03,482 --> 00:57:06,072
AND HE SMELLED OF
A VERY BAD ODOR.
938
00:57:06,103 --> 00:57:10,483
AND AS HE'S MOWING THE GRASS,
HE COMES ACROSS A BODY.
939
00:57:12,413 --> 00:57:14,553
THE BODY WAS FOUND
940
00:57:14,586 --> 00:57:19,446
ON A BED OF OLD FLOWERS
THAT HAD BEEN DISCARDED.
941
00:57:19,482 --> 00:57:21,552
SHE WAS
WHAT WE CALL "DECOMPED"...
942
00:57:21,586 --> 00:57:25,276
THE DECOMPOSITION HAD SET IN...
QUITE BAD.
943
00:57:25,310 --> 00:57:27,240
I MEAN, YOU COULDN'T TELL
SHE'S MALE OR FEMALE.
944
00:57:30,448 --> 00:57:32,588
BASED ON AN OLD LEG FRACTURE,
945
00:57:32,620 --> 00:57:36,760
SHE'S I.D.'d AS MINDY LaPREE.
946
00:57:36,793 --> 00:57:40,863
SHE WAS JUST DUMPED
IN A DITCH...
947
00:57:40,896 --> 00:57:42,476
AND...
948
00:57:46,482 --> 00:57:49,482
...LEFT TO ROT
FOR THE THREE OR FOUR WEEKS.
949
00:57:49,517 --> 00:57:54,897
THAT'S VERY DIFF...
VERY, VERY HARD TO THINK ABOUT.
950
00:57:54,931 --> 00:57:56,451
I THINK
I WAS HOLDING ON TO HOPE.
951
00:57:56,482 --> 00:57:57,762
I WAS BEING A POLLYANNA.
952
00:57:57,793 --> 00:57:59,383
I WAS LIKE, "OH, YEAH, NO,
953
00:57:59,413 --> 00:58:03,523
SHE DECIDED TO GO
TO COLORADO OR CALIFORNIA,
954
00:58:03,551 --> 00:58:07,341
OR SHE'S JUST OUT THERE,
DOING HER THING."
955
00:58:09,482 --> 00:58:14,832
AND SO IT WAS A HUGE SHOCK.
956
00:58:14,862 --> 00:58:19,452
AS IS THE CAUSE OF DEATH.
957
00:58:19,482 --> 00:58:21,722
THE HYOID BONE WAS DISLODGED...
958
00:58:21,758 --> 00:58:25,028
IT WAS NOT BROKEN,
BUT IT WAS DISLODGED.
959
00:58:25,068 --> 00:58:28,718
THEY SAID, "THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS
WHEN SOMEBODY STRANGLED."
960
00:58:28,758 --> 00:58:31,518
AS THE INVESTIGATION KICKS OFF,
961
00:58:31,551 --> 00:58:37,311
A WITNESS CLAIMS SHE SAW MINDY
GETTING INTO A JOHN'S CAR.
962
00:58:37,344 --> 00:58:40,174
AND SHE GIVES
A DESCRIPTION OF THE VEHICLE...
963
00:58:40,206 --> 00:58:42,896
SMALL, A STATION WAGON
WITH WOOD-GRAIN SIDES
964
00:58:42,931 --> 00:58:45,721
WITH AN ALABAMA PLATE.
965
00:58:45,758 --> 00:58:49,238
SHE ALSO GIVES A DESCRIPTION
OF A BLACK MALE
966
00:58:49,275 --> 00:58:52,135
AND THEN HE WAS STOCKY BUILD.
967
00:58:52,172 --> 00:58:56,902
WITHOUT A NAME,
IT'S A NEEDLE IN A HAYSTACK.
968
00:58:56,931 --> 00:58:59,381
I DON'T THINK WE EVER THOUGHT
WE WERE GOING TO FIND HIM,
969
00:58:59,413 --> 00:59:03,763
BUT A VERY SHARP INVESTIGATOR
HEARS THE CALL COME OUT,
970
00:59:03,793 --> 00:59:06,073
WHERE SOME PEOPLE HAVE BEEN
ARRESTED FOR SHOPLIFTING.
971
00:59:06,103 --> 00:59:10,413
AND VEHICLE THAT WERE IN WAS
A WOOD-GRAIN BROWN STATION WAGON
972
00:59:10,448 --> 00:59:12,408
WITH ALABAMA TAGS.
973
00:59:12,448 --> 00:59:14,788
THEY ARRESTED SAM LITTLE,
974
00:59:14,827 --> 00:59:16,517
WHO ENDS UP BEING OUR SUSPECT.
975
00:59:16,551 --> 00:59:18,621
AND WE HAD THE VEHICLE.
976
00:59:20,344 --> 00:59:24,384
THAT LEADS
INVESTIGATORS TO ANOTHER MURDER,
977
00:59:24,413 --> 00:59:26,863
THIS ONE IN FLORIDA.
978
00:59:35,655 --> 00:59:39,475
ON SEPTEMBER 12, 1982,
979
00:59:39,517 --> 00:59:40,687
A WOMAN IS FOUND DEAD
980
00:59:40,724 --> 00:59:46,214
IN A HAYFIELD OUTSIDE
OF GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA.
981
00:59:46,241 --> 00:59:48,901
THE BODY WAS NUDE.
982
00:59:48,931 --> 00:59:52,241
HER CLOTHES WERE DEPOSITED
NEXT TO THE BODY.
983
00:59:52,275 --> 00:59:55,205
THE CLOTHES
HAD HUMAN FECES ON THEM,
984
00:59:55,241 --> 00:59:59,311
AND THE BODY HAD SOME OF
THE HUMAN FECES ON IT.
985
00:59:59,344 --> 01:00:01,834
ON HER NECK,
THERE WAS BRUISING AND GOUGES
986
01:00:01,862 --> 01:00:04,762
THAT LOOKED LIKE... THAT COULD
HAVE BEEN FINGERNAIL MARKS.
987
01:00:04,793 --> 01:00:07,003
BASED ON THE MARKS ON HER NECK,
988
01:00:07,034 --> 01:00:11,694
WE ASSUMED THAT
SHE WAS PROBABLY STRANGLED.
989
01:00:11,724 --> 01:00:15,244
AN OFFICER
RECOGNIZES THE VICTIM.
990
01:00:15,275 --> 01:00:17,715
HER NAME IS PATRICIA MOUNT.
991
01:00:19,793 --> 01:00:23,793
THEY HAD LISTED
HER I.Q. OF AROUND 40.
992
01:00:23,827 --> 01:00:26,587
SHE HAD A HISTORY OF, YOU KNOW,
993
01:00:26,620 --> 01:00:31,860
TALKING TO ANYBODY THAT WOULD
BUY HER A DRINK OR BEER
994
01:00:31,896 --> 01:00:34,476
AND HANGING AROUND WITH THEM.
995
01:00:34,517 --> 01:00:36,307
JUST THE NIGHT BEFORE,
996
01:00:36,344 --> 01:00:39,864
WITNESSES SAW HER
WITH A STRANGER AT A LOCAL BAR.
997
01:00:39,896 --> 01:00:43,716
PATRICIA MOUNT'S...
LEFT WITH HIM.
998
01:00:43,758 --> 01:00:46,828
THEY SAID SHE WAS INTOXICATED.
999
01:00:46,862 --> 01:00:49,312
ALL THE WITNESSES WE
TALKED TO AT THE BAR THAT NIGHT
1000
01:00:49,344 --> 01:00:51,484
DESCRIBED THE SAME INDIVIDUAL
1001
01:00:51,517 --> 01:00:55,477
AND THE SAME CAR THAT HE GOT
INTO WITH PATRICIA MOUNT...
1002
01:00:55,517 --> 01:00:59,447
A BLACK MALE, YOU KNOW,
MEDIUM HEIGHTH, HEAVY-SET,
1003
01:00:59,482 --> 01:01:00,932
HAD FACIAL HAIR,
1004
01:01:00,965 --> 01:01:04,335
AND HE WAS DRIVING
A SMALL STATION WAGON
1005
01:01:04,379 --> 01:01:08,169
WITH WOOD-GRAIN SIDES
AND LOUD MUFFLER.
1006
01:01:08,206 --> 01:01:11,066
WE ISSUED A BOLO...
BE ON THE LOOKOUT...
1007
01:01:11,103 --> 01:01:15,763
FOR THE AREA LAW-ENFORCEMENT
AGENCIES.
1008
01:01:15,793 --> 01:01:18,033
1st OF DECEMBER, WE GET A CALL
FROM MISSISSIPPI,
1009
01:01:18,068 --> 01:01:19,588
FROM PASCAGOULA...
1010
01:01:19,620 --> 01:01:23,170
BASICALLY SAYS THAT,
"WE HAVE A SUSPECT IN CUSTODY
1011
01:01:23,206 --> 01:01:27,066
THAT'S DRIVING A VEHICLE
THAT LOOKS LIKE Y'ALL'S BOLO."
1012
01:01:27,103 --> 01:01:29,793
THEY GAVE US HIS NAME
AS SAM McDOWELL,
1013
01:01:29,827 --> 01:01:33,717
WHICH IS A NAME THAT SAM LITTLE,
WE'VE DISCOVERED, USED OFTEN.
1014
01:01:33,758 --> 01:01:35,658
THE FLORIDA INVESTIGATORS
1015
01:01:35,689 --> 01:01:37,309
DRIVE TO PASCAGOULA,
1016
01:01:37,344 --> 01:01:39,484
WHERE LITTLE'S BEING HELD.
1017
01:01:39,517 --> 01:01:45,137
WE WANTED HIM TO MAKE ANY KIND
OF STATEMENT THAT HE WOULD MAKE.
1018
01:01:45,172 --> 01:01:47,312
HE WAS A HARDENED CRIMINAL.
1019
01:01:47,344 --> 01:01:50,454
HE'D BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD
MANY TIMES.
1020
01:01:50,482 --> 01:01:53,142
HIS ATTITUDE IS SMUGNESS.
1021
01:01:53,172 --> 01:01:56,452
HE'S LIKE,
"I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU GOT.
1022
01:01:56,482 --> 01:01:58,172
I DIDN'T DO IT."
1023
01:01:58,206 --> 01:02:00,786
HE WAS JUST AS COLD-HEARTED
AS COULD BE.
1024
01:02:39,965 --> 01:02:42,895
IN DECEMBER 1982,
1025
01:02:42,931 --> 01:02:46,211
DETECTIVES WORKING
THE PATRICIA MOUNT MURDER CASE
1026
01:02:46,241 --> 01:02:49,171
DRIVE FROM FLORIDA
TO MISSISSIPPI
1027
01:02:49,206 --> 01:02:52,026
TO QUESTION SAMUEL LITTLE.
1028
01:02:52,068 --> 01:02:53,858
WE START TALKING TO HIM.
1029
01:02:53,896 --> 01:02:57,166
I TOLD HIM, "WELL, WE HAVE YOU
IN GAINESVILLE SEPTEMBER 11th,"
1030
01:02:57,206 --> 01:02:58,406
SO NOW I WENT THERE.
1031
01:02:58,448 --> 01:02:59,907
I SAID, "YEAH,
YOU TALKED TO ALL THESE PEOPLE
1032
01:02:59,931 --> 01:03:01,551
ABOUT THE FOOTBALL GAME."
1033
01:03:01,586 --> 01:03:04,406
"WELL, MAYBE.
MAYBE I WAS THERE."
1034
01:03:04,448 --> 01:03:06,858
AND ON AND ON
WITH THIS KIND OF THING.
1035
01:03:06,896 --> 01:03:09,236
HE FINALLY ADMITTED
THAT HE WAS AT A BAR,
1036
01:03:09,275 --> 01:03:10,941
THAT HE TALKED TO
A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THERE,
1037
01:03:10,965 --> 01:03:14,515
BUT HE DIDN'T LEAVE
WITH ANYBODY.
1038
01:03:14,551 --> 01:03:17,831
HE DIDN'T HAVE
ANY EMOTIONS, REGRETS.
1039
01:03:17,862 --> 01:03:19,412
HE WAS JUST...
1040
01:03:19,448 --> 01:03:21,182
"EVIL" IS PROBABLY
THE BEST WORD TO DESCRIBE.
1041
01:03:21,206 --> 01:03:24,276
YOU COULD JUST TELL HE WAS
JUST A CRUEL INDIVIDUAL.
1042
01:03:24,310 --> 01:03:26,900
HE'D BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD
MANY A TIMES.
1043
01:03:26,931 --> 01:03:29,001
I MEAN, YOU CAN TELL IT
JUST FROM HIS ATTITUDE
1044
01:03:29,034 --> 01:03:31,104
AND THE WAY
HE ANSWERED QUESTIONS.
1045
01:03:31,137 --> 01:03:34,407
THAT WAS ONE OF THE STANDOUTS
FROM HIS BACKGROUND,
1046
01:03:34,448 --> 01:03:37,308
OF JUST HOW MANY TIMES HE HAD
DEALT WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT...
1047
01:03:37,344 --> 01:03:39,244
THAT, UNFORTUNATELY, MEANT
1048
01:03:39,275 --> 01:03:42,755
THAT HE WAS LEARNING
HOW TO GET AWAY WITH HIS CRIMES.
1049
01:03:44,758 --> 01:03:48,098
ORELIA DORSEY,
LITTLE'S GIRLFRIEND,
1050
01:03:48,137 --> 01:03:53,657
IS HOLED UP IN A MOTEL
WHEN DETECTIVES TRACK HER DOWN.
1051
01:03:53,689 --> 01:03:55,409
SHE WAS OBVIOUSLY
A LITTLE HOSTILE
1052
01:03:55,448 --> 01:03:56,688
TO OUR JUST BEING THERE.
1053
01:03:56,724 --> 01:03:58,794
SHE DIDN'T KNOW
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
1054
01:03:58,827 --> 01:04:01,207
I SAID, "ORELIA,
YOU'VE BEEN ARRESTED WITH HIM
1055
01:04:01,241 --> 01:04:02,700
ALL THESE TIMES
YOU'VE BEEN WITH HIM."
1056
01:04:02,724 --> 01:04:04,594
SHE SAID,
"WELL, YEAH, WE DO THAT.
1057
01:04:04,620 --> 01:04:06,620
BUT HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE.
1058
01:04:06,655 --> 01:04:09,655
HE WOULD NEVER HURT ANYBODY."
1059
01:04:09,689 --> 01:04:13,239
BUT ORELIA
ISN'T LITTLE'S ONLY COMPANION.
1060
01:04:13,275 --> 01:04:15,585
THEY HAD PICKED UP
A THIRD PARTNER,
1061
01:04:15,620 --> 01:04:19,790
AN ARKANSAS MAN NAMED DANNY.
1062
01:04:19,827 --> 01:04:23,547
HE'S CHATTIER THAN ORELIA.
1063
01:04:23,586 --> 01:04:26,996
HE STATED THAT THE NIGHT
PATRICIA MOUNT WENT MISSING,
1064
01:04:27,034 --> 01:04:30,074
SAM WAS NOT AT THE HOTEL
THAT THEY WERE STAYING AT.
1065
01:04:30,103 --> 01:04:34,863
HE LEFT EARLY AND CAME IN THE
NEXT MORNING AT ABOUT DAYLIGHT.
1066
01:04:34,896 --> 01:04:38,896
HE ALSO STATED THAT THERE WAS
SOMETHING THAT SMELLED AWFUL BAD
1067
01:04:38,931 --> 01:04:41,141
IN THE BACKSEAT OF THE CAR.
1068
01:04:41,172 --> 01:04:45,832
APPARENTLY, WHEN HE WAS
STRANGLING HER, SHE DEFECATED.
1069
01:05:00,413 --> 01:05:02,413
DANNY WAS AFRAID OF SAM,
1070
01:05:02,448 --> 01:05:04,028
AFRAID THAT SAM WOULD BEAT HIM
1071
01:05:04,068 --> 01:05:07,098
OR THROW HIM OUT OF THE
HOTEL ROOM THEY HAD RENTED.
1072
01:05:07,137 --> 01:05:09,827
SO HE JUST LET IT PASS.
1073
01:05:09,862 --> 01:05:13,032
PEOPLE MAKE THIS
UNSPOKEN AGREEMENT THAT,
1074
01:05:13,068 --> 01:05:14,968
"I MIGHT KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON,
1075
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,620
I MIGHT THINK I KNOW
WHAT'S GOING ON,
1076
01:05:17,655 --> 01:05:19,475
BUT I'M NOT GOING TO ASK,
1077
01:05:19,517 --> 01:05:25,027
BECAUSE IF I DO, I DON'T KNOW
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO ME.
1078
01:05:25,068 --> 01:05:28,518
WHILE MACK AND WEEKS
BUILD THEIR CASE,
1079
01:05:28,551 --> 01:05:31,551
THE PASCAGOULA P.D.'s
HITS THE SKIDS.
1080
01:05:34,482 --> 01:05:35,902
A NEW WITNESS SWEARS
1081
01:05:35,931 --> 01:05:39,141
SHE SAW LITTLE DROP MINDY OFF
AT HER HOTEL
1082
01:05:39,172 --> 01:05:42,172
HOURS BEFORE SHE WAS KILLED.
1083
01:05:42,206 --> 01:05:46,336
SO THAT KIND OF TAKES SAM LITTLE
AWAY FROM BEING A SUSPECT.
1084
01:05:46,379 --> 01:05:50,409
THE CASE WAS SUBMITTED TO
THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
1085
01:05:50,448 --> 01:05:51,562
DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SAYS,
1086
01:05:51,586 --> 01:05:55,206
"YOU DON'T
HAVE ENOUGH ON THE MURDER."
1087
01:05:55,241 --> 01:05:58,031
MINDY'S FAMILY IS DEVASTATED.
1088
01:05:58,068 --> 01:05:59,758
HER BROTHER HAD THOUGHT THAT
1089
01:05:59,793 --> 01:06:01,413
WE DIDN'T WANT
TO PROSECUTE THE CASE
1090
01:06:01,448 --> 01:06:06,308
BECAUSE SHE WAS A PROSTITUTE,
AND TO HIM, IT'S HIS SISTER.
1091
01:06:06,344 --> 01:06:09,174
YOU KNOW,
SHE'S NOT JUST ANOTHER LOWLIFE
1092
01:06:09,206 --> 01:06:11,026
THAT GOT PICKED OFF
BY A SERIAL KILLER.
1093
01:06:11,068 --> 01:06:14,618
SHE WAS A GOOD PERSON
AND JUST VERY, VERY TROUBLED
1094
01:06:14,655 --> 01:06:19,235
AND REALLY NOT FULLY IN CONTROL
OF HOW SHE LIVED HER LIFE.
1095
01:06:22,206 --> 01:06:26,136
WE RELEASED SAMUEL LITTLE
TO ALACHUA COUNTY, FLORIDA.
1096
01:06:26,172 --> 01:06:28,452
PATRICIA MOUNT'S CASE
LOOKED TO BE
1097
01:06:28,482 --> 01:06:31,102
THE CASE THAT WE WERE GONNA
GET HIM CONVICTED ON.
1098
01:06:39,896 --> 01:06:42,586
IN THE SPRING OF 1983,
1099
01:06:42,620 --> 01:06:46,410
THE PATRICIA MOUNT MURDER TRIAL
IS ABOUT TO KICK OFF.
1100
01:06:46,448 --> 01:06:49,828
THAT'S WHAT WE KNEW...
WE HAD A GOOD CASE.
1101
01:06:49,862 --> 01:06:53,662
WE HAD THE EYEWITNESSES
IDENTIFYING HER
1102
01:06:53,689 --> 01:06:56,099
AS LEAVING THE BAR
LATE SATURDAY NIGHT,
1103
01:06:56,137 --> 01:06:59,657
AND HER BODY WAS FOUND
EARLY SUNDAY MORNING.
1104
01:06:59,689 --> 01:07:02,379
THE CAR WAS IDENTIFIED,
1105
01:07:02,413 --> 01:07:07,723
AND THEY IDENTIFIED SAM
AS THE PERSON SHE LEFT WITH.
1106
01:07:07,758 --> 01:07:09,068
THEY'VE ALSO DISCOVERED
1107
01:07:09,103 --> 01:07:13,453
A STRAND OF LITTLE'S HAIR
ON CLOTHING FOUND WITH THE BODY.
1108
01:07:13,482 --> 01:07:14,692
BASED ON OUR EVIDENCE...
1109
01:07:14,724 --> 01:07:16,864
THE HAIR EVIDENCE,
THE EYEWITNESS EVIDENCE...
1110
01:07:16,896 --> 01:07:20,376
WE FELT WE HAD
A REASONABLY GOOD CHANCE
1111
01:07:20,413 --> 01:07:22,833
OF CONVICTING SAM McDOWELL.
1112
01:07:22,862 --> 01:07:27,242
EVERYTHING MATCHES.
WE GOT THE FECES. WE GOT DANNY.
1113
01:07:27,275 --> 01:07:31,025
AND ORELIA DORSEY CLEANS THAT
OUT OF THE CAR THE NEXT MORNING.
1114
01:07:57,551 --> 01:07:59,411
HE HAD TOLD DANNY
HE HATED THE WOMEN.
1115
01:07:59,448 --> 01:08:01,998
HE HATED THESE WOMEN.
1116
01:08:02,034 --> 01:08:05,694
BUT RIGHT BEFORE
THE TRIAL IS SET TO START,
1117
01:08:05,724 --> 01:08:08,074
DANNY DISAPPEARS.
1118
01:08:08,103 --> 01:08:10,933
HE WAS CRUCIAL
TO THE ALACHUA COUNTY CASE,
1119
01:08:10,965 --> 01:08:12,475
AND THEY COULDN'T FIND HIM.
1120
01:08:12,517 --> 01:08:15,377
UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE
DANNY WHEN IT COMES TRIAL TIME,
1121
01:08:15,413 --> 01:08:18,593
AND THAT HURT US TREMENDOUSLY.
1122
01:08:18,620 --> 01:08:21,240
WE HAD THE TRIAL POSTPONED
TWICE, TRYING TO FIND DANNY,
1123
01:08:21,275 --> 01:08:23,335
AND THEN
THEY MADE US GO TO TRIAL.
1124
01:08:23,379 --> 01:08:26,689
LITTLE'S DEFENSE
PUTS ON A STRONG CASE,
1125
01:08:26,724 --> 01:08:31,034
EVEN CASTING DOUBT
ON THAT CRITICAL STRAND OF HAIR.
1126
01:08:31,068 --> 01:08:34,478
SAM'S ATTORNEY, PUBLIC DEFENDER,
1127
01:08:34,517 --> 01:08:36,617
MADE THE ASSERTION THAT
1128
01:08:36,655 --> 01:08:39,755
SAM HAD DANCED WITH HER
THAT NIGHT IN THE BAR,
1129
01:08:39,793 --> 01:08:42,793
AND THAT'S
HOW THE HAIR WAS TRANSFERRED.
1130
01:08:42,827 --> 01:08:46,277
THEY DISCOUNTED THAT ALL
THESE PEOPLE SAW THEM TOGETHER,
1131
01:08:46,310 --> 01:08:48,930
LEAVE THE BAR,
AND THAT SHE'S DEAD...
1132
01:08:48,965 --> 01:08:50,305
12 HOURS, WE KNOW...
1133
01:08:50,344 --> 01:08:52,794
'CAUSE SHE'S 9:00
THE NEXT MORNING.
1134
01:08:52,827 --> 01:08:55,827
IT'S NOT LOOKING GOOD
FOR THE PROSECUTION.
1135
01:08:55,862 --> 01:08:58,762
IT TOOK THE JURY
ALL OF 30 MINUTES
1136
01:08:58,793 --> 01:09:00,723
TO FIND HIM NOT GUILTY.
1137
01:09:00,758 --> 01:09:02,618
IF THEY HAD ANY COMPASSION
FOR THE VICTIM,
1138
01:09:02,655 --> 01:09:05,995
I THINK THEY WOULD HAVE LOOKED
AT IT VERY CLOSELY
1139
01:09:06,034 --> 01:09:08,454
AND TOOK MORE TIME.
1140
01:09:08,482 --> 01:09:12,902
WITHIN TWO HOURS,
LITTLE IS BACK ON THE STREETS.
1141
01:09:12,931 --> 01:09:15,831
I UNDERSTOOD IT.
I JUST... I WAS JUST...
1142
01:09:15,862 --> 01:09:18,002
I KNEW WHAT SAM WAS.
1143
01:09:18,034 --> 01:09:20,174
HE WAS AN EVIL KILLER.
1144
01:09:26,931 --> 01:09:30,451
35 YEARS LATER...
1145
01:09:30,482 --> 01:09:34,412
JUSTICE FOR THE 1982 VICTIMS
AND DENISE BROTHERS
1146
01:09:34,448 --> 01:09:36,688
MAY BE IN SIGHT
1147
01:09:36,724 --> 01:09:39,214
IF THE TEAM
CAN GET LITTLE TO TALK.
1148
01:09:43,137 --> 01:09:45,079
SAMUEL LITTLE
NEVER CONFESSED TO ANYTHING.
1149
01:09:45,103 --> 01:09:46,623
HE MAINTAINED HIS INNOCENCE
1150
01:09:46,655 --> 01:09:50,445
FOR EVERY HOMICIDE
HE WAS EVER CHARGED WITH.
1151
01:09:50,482 --> 01:09:54,242
IF HE DOES START TO TALK,
WE'LL BE READY.
1152
01:10:39,586 --> 01:10:41,716
MAY OF 2018...
1153
01:10:41,758 --> 01:10:44,658
TIME TO CONFRONT SAMUEL LITTLE.
1154
01:10:44,689 --> 01:10:46,859
THE TEAM'S MAIN GOAL...
1155
01:10:46,896 --> 01:10:48,026
GETTING A CONFESSION
1156
01:10:48,068 --> 01:10:50,788
FOR THE 1994 MURDER
OF DENISE BROTHERS
1157
01:10:50,827 --> 01:10:52,927
IN ODESSA, TEXAS.
1158
01:10:54,965 --> 01:10:57,685
ODESSA HAD NO
FORENSIC EVIDENCE IN THE CASE,
1159
01:10:57,724 --> 01:11:00,484
AND SO,
WITHOUT LITTLE'S CONFESSION,
1160
01:11:00,517 --> 01:11:04,067
WITHOUT HIM BEING ABLE TO
CORROBORATE ADDITIONAL DETAILS
1161
01:11:04,103 --> 01:11:05,623
IN THE CASE,
1162
01:11:05,655 --> 01:11:08,205
THERE WAS REALLY
NOTHING LEFT TO GO ON.
1163
01:11:08,241 --> 01:11:10,901
WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW
WHAT WE WERE WALKING INTO.
1164
01:11:10,931 --> 01:11:13,551
OUR FIRST FOCUS WAS
GONNA BE THAT ODESSA CASE.
1165
01:11:13,586 --> 01:11:17,236
BUT ANYTHING HE WAS
GOING TO SAY, WE WOULD TAKE IT.
1166
01:11:19,655 --> 01:11:23,755
THEY MAKE SURE THEY'RE
CATCHING LITTLE OFF GUARD.
1167
01:11:23,793 --> 01:11:25,453
WE HADN'T TOLD
PRETTY MUCH ANYONE
1168
01:11:25,482 --> 01:11:28,412
OTHER THAN THE PRISON
THAT WE WERE COMING OUT THERE.
1169
01:11:28,448 --> 01:11:32,238
WE WERE ABLE TO CONFIRM
THAT HE HAD NO ACCESS TO TV,
1170
01:11:32,275 --> 01:11:35,965
NO ACCESS TO INTERNET
FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS
1171
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:40,000
HE HAD NO VISITORS IN YEARS,
DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE COMING.
1172
01:11:40,034 --> 01:11:42,284
WE WANTED TO
MAKE SURE TO MEET WITH LAPD
1173
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:44,830
TO GO OVER EVERYTHING
THAT HAD HAPPENED.
1174
01:11:44,862 --> 01:11:48,002
ANY LITTLE INSIGHT
WE COULD LEARN...
1175
01:11:48,034 --> 01:11:53,144
ASPECTS OF TALKING TO LITTLE
THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US.
1176
01:11:53,172 --> 01:11:56,032
AND THEY'RE THE ONES WHO TOLD US
HE REALLY LIKES PEANUT M&M'S.
1177
01:11:56,068 --> 01:11:58,758
SO BEFORE WE WENT IN THERE,
WE MADE SURE
1178
01:11:58,793 --> 01:12:03,763
JIM GOT THIS GIANT PACK
OF PEANUT M&M'S READY TO GO.
1179
01:12:03,793 --> 01:12:09,723
WE KNEW THAT HE DIDN'T LIKE LAPD
AND PROBABLY WAS ANGRY AT THEM
1180
01:12:09,758 --> 01:12:13,138
FOR ACTUALLY TYING HIM BACK
TO THESE CASES.
1181
01:12:13,172 --> 01:12:15,972
AND THEY TOLD US,
"FEEL FREE TO USE THAT."
1182
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:30,030
MAY 17, 2018.
1183
01:12:30,068 --> 01:12:33,028
THE TEAM ARRIVES
AT THE CALIFORNIA STATE PRISON
1184
01:12:33,068 --> 01:12:35,238
ON THE EDGE
OF THE MOJAVE DESERT.
1185
01:12:37,551 --> 01:12:39,791
JIM HAD SET UP
AN INTERVIEW ROOM WITH LITTLE,
1186
01:12:39,827 --> 01:12:42,277
WHICH WAS VERY STERILE,
AS THEY ALWAYS ARE.
1187
01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:48,280
AND WE'RE IN AN ADJOINING ROOM
WITH AN AUDIO FEED.
1188
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:49,976
WE DIDN'T KNOW
HOW LITTLE WOULD REACT
1189
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:53,030
IF HE KNEW
THAT ANGELA AND I WERE THERE...
1190
01:12:53,068 --> 01:12:56,278
YOU KNOW, HOW HE WOULD REACT
TO US BEING FEMALES...
1191
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:57,631
WE WEREN'T SURE,
SO WE JUST THOUGHT,
1192
01:12:57,655 --> 01:13:00,685
"STAY OUT OF SIGHT.
THAT'S PROBABLY OUR BEST BET."
1193
01:13:00,724 --> 01:13:02,527
WE HAD
CASE FILES IN FRONT OF US.
1194
01:13:02,551 --> 01:13:05,931
WE HAD PREPARED BASICALLY
A BINDER THIS THICK
1195
01:13:05,965 --> 01:13:08,925
OF CASES WE THOUGHT
COULD BE LITTLE'S CASES
1196
01:13:08,965 --> 01:13:11,305
IN CASE HE STARTED TALKING.
1197
01:13:11,344 --> 01:13:13,934
WHEN IT WAS TIME,
1198
01:13:13,965 --> 01:13:18,965
THEY WHEELED LITTLE
INTO THE ROOM WITH JIM.
1199
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:20,720
ANGELA AND I ARE JUST HUDDLED
1200
01:13:20,758 --> 01:13:22,898
AROUND THIS ONE SPEAKER
ON A DESK,
1201
01:13:22,931 --> 01:13:24,001
TRYING TO LISTEN
1202
01:13:24,034 --> 01:13:26,244
TO THE INTERVIEW GOING ON
IN THE NEXT ROOM.
1203
01:13:44,862 --> 01:13:47,862
FOR THE FIRST HALF AN HOUR,
ALL LITTLE WANTED TO DO
1204
01:13:47,896 --> 01:13:52,476
IS JUST TALK ABOUT HOW LAPD
HAD GIVEN HIM A RAW DEAL
1205
01:13:52,517 --> 01:13:54,717
AND HOW MUCH HE HATED THEM.
1206
01:14:14,275 --> 01:14:18,025
HE JUST ASSUMED
THAT JIM WAS WITH LAPD.
1207
01:14:18,068 --> 01:14:19,308
IT TOOK HIM A HALF-HOUR
1208
01:14:19,344 --> 01:14:21,554
TO EVEN CALM DOWN ENOUGH
TO RECOGNIZE
1209
01:14:21,586 --> 01:14:24,856
THAT THIS WAS SOMEBODY NEW
THAT HE WAS TALKING TO.
1210
01:14:58,827 --> 01:15:00,717
WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING.
1211
01:15:00,758 --> 01:15:03,478
THOUGHT HE WAS
GONNA SHUT US DOWN.
1212
01:15:03,517 --> 01:15:04,907
I THINK
CHRISTIE WAS MORE SKEPTICAL
1213
01:15:04,931 --> 01:15:06,721
THAT HE'D SAY ANYTHING
1214
01:15:06,758 --> 01:15:10,408
BECAUSE HE'D BEEN SO RELUCTANT
TO TALK TO ANYONE.
1215
01:15:10,448 --> 01:15:12,618
I MEAN, THIS WAS A DEFIANT MAN.
1216
01:15:14,517 --> 01:15:16,027
BUT I'D KNOWN JIM LONGER,
1217
01:15:16,068 --> 01:15:21,138
AND I'D SEEN THE INDIVIDUALS
THAT HE HAD GOT TO TALK TO HIM.
1218
01:15:21,172 --> 01:15:25,552
AND I JUST WAS LIKE, "IF ANYONE
CAN DO IT, HE CAN DO IT."
1219
01:15:39,965 --> 01:15:42,685
I GO INTO INTERVIEWS CONFIDENT,
1220
01:15:42,724 --> 01:15:43,941
BUT AFTER WALKING INTO THE DOOR
1221
01:15:43,965 --> 01:15:45,286
AND AFTER THE
INITIAL CONVERSATION,
1222
01:15:45,310 --> 01:15:47,044
I STARTED, YOU KNOW,
SECOND-GUESSING MYSELF...
1223
01:15:47,068 --> 01:15:52,408
"IS THIS GOING TO WORK OUT?
IS THIS GOING TO GO ANYWHERE?"
1224
01:15:52,448 --> 01:15:54,208
SO IT WAS UNKNOWN.
1225
01:16:38,413 --> 01:16:40,663
TEXAS RANGER JIM HOLLAND
1226
01:16:40,689 --> 01:16:43,759
DRAWS ON ALL HIS EXPERIENCE
AS AN INTERROGATOR
1227
01:16:43,793 --> 01:16:46,723
AS HE WORKS
TO EARN SAM LITTLE'S TRUST.
1228
01:16:49,517 --> 01:16:51,407
JIM UNDERSTOOD
1229
01:16:51,448 --> 01:16:54,968
THAT LITTLE DIDN'T LIKE
TO BE CALLED A RAPIST,
1230
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:58,480
AND THAT IS WHAT HE'D BEEN
BRANDED FROM HIS L.A. CASES.
1231
01:17:24,310 --> 01:17:26,930
WHAT HE WAS DOING
WITH THESE VICTIMS...
1232
01:17:26,965 --> 01:17:29,755
HE WAS KILLING THEM.
HE WAS STRANGLING THEM.
1233
01:17:42,034 --> 01:17:45,974
ONCE JIM ESTABLISHED THAT,
LITTLE WAS FINE TALKING.
1234
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,210
JIM WASN'T THREATENING HIM
1235
01:17:48,241 --> 01:17:50,761
OR YELLING AT HIM,
"YOU KILLED THIS WOMAN,
1236
01:17:50,793 --> 01:17:52,973
AND I KNOW IT,
AND I CAN PROVE IT!"
1237
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,170
IT WAS JUST,
"TELL ME ABOUT YOU,"
1238
01:17:55,206 --> 01:17:58,336
JUST TRYING TO LEARN MORE
ABOUT HIM AS A PERSON
1239
01:17:58,379 --> 01:18:01,339
AND JUST KIND OF EASE INTO
THE CASES.
1240
01:18:17,827 --> 01:18:20,997
JIM IS VERY SKILLED IN TALKING
TO THESE INDIVIDUALS.
1241
01:18:21,034 --> 01:18:24,554
HE JUST GOES IN AND TALKS,
SHOOTS THE BREEZE.
1242
01:18:24,586 --> 01:18:25,856
IT'S NOT AN INTERROGATION.
1243
01:18:25,896 --> 01:18:27,336
IT'S NOT EVEN
REALLY AN INTERVIEW.
1244
01:18:27,379 --> 01:18:29,449
IT'S A CHAT.
1245
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:32,340
YEAH?
1246
01:18:42,724 --> 01:18:44,344
HOLLAND PROMISES
1247
01:18:44,379 --> 01:18:46,859
HE'LL WORK ON GETTING
THE DEATH PENALTY WAIVED
1248
01:18:46,896 --> 01:18:48,716
IF LITTLE COMES CLEAN.
1249
01:19:05,517 --> 01:19:07,857
THEN, LITTLE BRINGS UP
1250
01:19:07,896 --> 01:19:12,276
THE CASE HOLLAND'S BEEN
STEERING HIM TOWARDS ALL DAY.
1251
01:19:25,448 --> 01:19:27,658
AND I LOOK OVER AT ANGELA,
AND WE BOTH SIT UP.
1252
01:19:27,689 --> 01:19:29,549
AND IT'S LIKE,
"HE'S TALKING ABOUT ODESSA,"
1253
01:19:29,586 --> 01:19:33,826
AND WE GRAB OUR FILES,
AND WE JUST START TAKING NOTES.
1254
01:19:41,793 --> 01:19:43,313
OKAY.
1255
01:19:53,310 --> 01:19:54,520
OKAY.
1256
01:20:00,448 --> 01:20:02,408
IT'S CLEAR THAT LITTLE
1257
01:20:02,448 --> 01:20:05,378
IS TALKING
ABOUT DENISE BROTHERS.
1258
01:20:05,413 --> 01:20:06,458
AND CHRISTIE AND I HAD
1259
01:20:06,482 --> 01:20:07,662
THE CASE FILE IN FRONT OF US,
1260
01:20:07,689 --> 01:20:09,719
AND HE STARTS DESCRIBING
THE VICTIM,
1261
01:20:09,758 --> 01:20:13,208
WHAT SHE WAS WEARING,
CRIME SCENE,
1262
01:20:13,241 --> 01:20:17,001
AND IT'S VERBATIM
WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.
1263
01:20:31,655 --> 01:20:33,755
WE SAID A FEW UNLADYLIKE WORDS,
1264
01:20:33,793 --> 01:20:37,143
AND WE KNEW
THAT WE HAD SOMETHING.
1265
01:20:41,482 --> 01:20:42,862
RIGHT.
1266
01:20:45,724 --> 01:20:47,214
HE JUST STARTED WITH A SIMPLE,
1267
01:20:47,241 --> 01:20:48,791
"HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO ODESSA?"
1268
01:20:48,827 --> 01:20:51,337
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN,
LITTLE STARTED TALKING ABOUT
1269
01:20:51,379 --> 01:20:53,519
THE WOMAN HE HAD KILLED
IN ODESSA, TEXAS.
1270
01:20:53,551 --> 01:20:54,831
DENISE BROTHERS...
1271
01:20:54,862 --> 01:20:57,762
SHE'S KIND OF THE ONE
THAT BROKE THIS ALL OPEN.
1272
01:21:00,206 --> 01:21:03,236
THEN,
LITTLE SURPRISINGLY MOVES ON
1273
01:21:03,275 --> 01:21:05,965
TO ANOTHER VICTIM.
1274
01:21:17,344 --> 01:21:20,834
FIRST, IT'S TWO CASES...
THEN, IT'S THREE.
1275
01:21:37,931 --> 01:21:41,071
FROM THERE,
IT'S A CASE IN ALABAMA.
1276
01:21:49,137 --> 01:21:50,547
YEAH.
1277
01:21:58,137 --> 01:22:01,447
SO WE HAD PRETTY GOOD
INFORMATION ON NUMEROUS VICTIMS
1278
01:22:01,482 --> 01:22:02,832
BY THE END OF THE DAY ONE.
1279
01:22:02,862 --> 01:22:04,722
BUT THAT'S NOT ALL.
1280
01:22:04,758 --> 01:22:06,079
WHILE LITTLE WAS SITTING
1281
01:22:06,103 --> 01:22:08,173
IN THE INTERVIEW ROOM WITH JIM,
1282
01:22:08,206 --> 01:22:11,546
THE GUARDS WENT BACK
AND SEARCHED HIS CELL,
1283
01:22:11,586 --> 01:22:12,996
AND THEY DISCOVERED THAT HE HAD
1284
01:22:13,034 --> 01:22:15,104
ALL OF THESE DRAWINGS
ON HIS WALL
1285
01:22:15,137 --> 01:22:17,757
THAT HE HAD DONE
OF MOSTLY FAMOUS PEOPLE...
1286
01:22:17,793 --> 01:22:21,143
SOME SINGERS, MOVIE STARS...
THINGS LIKE THAT.
1287
01:22:21,172 --> 01:22:25,172
HE COULD ACTUALLY DRAW FACES.
HE COULD MAKE THEM RECOGNIZABLE.
1288
01:22:25,206 --> 01:22:28,516
HE COULD GIVE THEM UNIQUE,
DISTINCT FEATURES.
1289
01:22:28,551 --> 01:22:30,031
AND WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW,
1290
01:22:30,068 --> 01:22:32,898
WE MIGHT BE ABLE
TO CAPITALIZE ON THIS.
1291
01:22:41,137 --> 01:22:42,897
MM.
1292
01:22:56,482 --> 01:22:58,692
A NEW TACK
THAT WILL SOON UNEARTH
1293
01:22:58,724 --> 01:23:02,454
MANY MORE BURIED SECRETS.
1294
01:23:02,482 --> 01:23:04,212
AT THE END OF THE DAY,
1295
01:23:04,241 --> 01:23:08,691
LITTLE TOOK JIM ON WHAT I CALL
A TOUR OF THE U.S.
1296
01:23:08,724 --> 01:23:10,144
HE BASICALLY WOULD JUST GIVE HIM
1297
01:23:10,172 --> 01:23:13,032
THE NAME OF A CITY AND A NUMBER
1298
01:23:13,068 --> 01:23:17,408
TO INDICATE HOW MANY PEOPLE
HE HAD KILLED IN THAT CITY.
1299
01:23:17,448 --> 01:23:19,208
MM.
1300
01:23:33,068 --> 01:23:35,448
ONE...
1301
01:24:09,965 --> 01:24:14,135
AND WHEN WE WROTE THEM ALL DOWN
AND ADDED THEM ALL UP,
1302
01:24:14,172 --> 01:24:16,522
IT CAME OUT TO OVER 90 VICTIMS
1303
01:24:16,551 --> 01:24:19,281
THAT HE WAS CLAIMING
RESPONSIBILITY FOR KILLING.
1304
01:24:19,310 --> 01:24:21,170
COULD THAT BE POSSIBLE?
1305
01:24:21,206 --> 01:24:25,546
IF TRUE, THAT WOULD MAKE LITTLE
THE MOST PROLIFIC SERIAL KILLER
1306
01:24:25,586 --> 01:24:27,756
IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
1307
01:24:27,793 --> 01:24:30,793
AND IT COULD MEAN CLOSURE
FOR THE FAMILIES
1308
01:24:30,827 --> 01:24:34,407
OF SO MANY MISSING
AND MURDERED VICTIMS.
1309
01:24:34,448 --> 01:24:37,858
WE WERE EXCITED.
WE WERE ANXIOUS.
1310
01:24:37,896 --> 01:24:39,996
WE WERE LIKE,
"IS HE REALLY TRUTHFUL?"
1311
01:24:40,034 --> 01:24:44,244
COULD HE REALLY BE RESPONSIBLE
FOR ALL OF THESE VICTIMS?
1312
01:24:47,655 --> 01:24:49,685
WE WANTED TO KEEP HIM TALKING.
1313
01:24:49,724 --> 01:24:52,594
HE'S ELDERLY.
HE HAD HEALTH ISSUES.
1314
01:24:52,620 --> 01:24:56,520
WE KNEW THAT HE WOULD TAKE
THOSE SECRETS WITH HIM
1315
01:24:56,551 --> 01:24:58,721
AND THAT WE WON'T GET
TO GET THEM
1316
01:24:58,758 --> 01:25:01,338
AND TO GET ANSWERS
FOR THOSE WOMEN.
1317
01:25:05,053 --> 01:25:07,053
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