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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:28,962 --> 00:00:30,163 Just before 8:30, 2 00:00:30,263 --> 00:00:31,998 I got a phone call, and it was Dave, 3 00:00:32,098 --> 00:00:33,666 and he said that that he just wanted to go 4 00:00:33,767 --> 00:00:34,834 and get some coffee, 5 00:00:34,934 --> 00:00:37,170 and he asked me if I wanted to meet him, 6 00:00:37,270 --> 00:00:41,408 and... I said that I was just about to go into the, 7 00:00:41,508 --> 00:00:43,576 into a meeting, and that I couldn't, I couldn't do it, 8 00:00:43,676 --> 00:00:46,713 and I said, "I love you and talk to you later". 9 00:00:46,813 --> 00:00:51,117 And that was the last time I ever spoke to him. 10 00:01:03,563 --> 00:01:05,398 It was amazing, and you know, 11 00:01:05,498 --> 00:01:08,868 it was that kind of crazy love story where we would finish 12 00:01:08,968 --> 00:01:11,171 each other's sentences... 13 00:01:18,044 --> 00:01:19,079 We were so alike, 14 00:01:19,179 --> 00:01:21,014 like but some people say opposites attract, 15 00:01:21,114 --> 00:01:22,115 but for me, it was different. 16 00:01:22,215 --> 00:01:26,886 It was like he and I were almost the same person. 17 00:01:31,424 --> 00:01:33,693 Sometimes he was explosive, but it was, 18 00:01:33,793 --> 00:01:37,163 it was definitely a love story. 19 00:01:44,671 --> 00:01:46,973 That day, I didn't just lose Dave. 20 00:01:47,073 --> 00:01:50,577 I lost myself. 21 00:02:12,832 --> 00:02:13,733 How are you? 22 00:02:14,734 --> 00:02:15,702 I get hot when they do this. 23 00:02:15,802 --> 00:02:17,070 We have like... 24 00:02:17,170 --> 00:02:21,975 I don't know, eight? Eight left? 25 00:02:22,075 --> 00:02:23,843 It's the morning of September 11th, 26 00:02:23,943 --> 00:02:27,413 and we're all gonna go to the official ceremony at the site, 27 00:02:27,514 --> 00:02:32,352 and we hope to make it there by the first moment of silence at 8:46. 28 00:02:32,452 --> 00:02:34,187 It's one of the hardest experiences of my life 29 00:02:34,287 --> 00:02:37,757 to go down that ramp every anniversary, 30 00:02:37,857 --> 00:02:39,859 but I do it for Dave because I, I knew he, 31 00:02:39,959 --> 00:02:43,630 he wants me to be there, but let me show you something. 32 00:02:50,870 --> 00:02:53,640 Dave and I met outside the World Trade Center 33 00:02:53,740 --> 00:02:55,041 when he stole my cab. 34 00:02:55,141 --> 00:02:56,743 So, every year when I go to the site, 35 00:02:56,843 --> 00:02:58,978 I bring a New York City cab with me, 36 00:02:59,078 --> 00:03:03,516 and I put it in the reflection pool 37 00:03:03,616 --> 00:03:08,421 so that he knows that I remember that day. 38 00:03:37,116 --> 00:03:39,085 Some of my co-workers had families, 39 00:03:39,185 --> 00:03:41,521 they that had little kids, and they died, and I didn't. 40 00:03:41,621 --> 00:03:43,222 So, why? 41 00:03:43,323 --> 00:03:45,592 Why? Why am I special? Why, why was I spared? 42 00:03:45,692 --> 00:03:50,163 Why didn't they make it? Why was, why did I make it? 43 00:03:50,263 --> 00:03:51,998 Was it God? Was it faith? 44 00:03:52,098 --> 00:03:54,000 Was it because we have something to do? 45 00:03:54,100 --> 00:03:56,803 Was it because we were sheltered by the elevator machinery? 46 00:03:56,903 --> 00:03:58,671 It just makes you go crazy. 47 00:03:58,771 --> 00:04:06,279 You go crazy asking yourself why, why, why? 48 00:04:06,379 --> 00:04:08,147 People kept saying how blessed I was, 49 00:04:08,247 --> 00:04:10,483 and I didn't feel blessed at all. 50 00:04:10,583 --> 00:04:13,620 I felt like it was a curse. 51 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,356 Survivor guilt made me feel that, 52 00:04:16,456 --> 00:04:19,425 made me actually go from the question, 53 00:04:19,525 --> 00:04:21,661 "Why did I survive?" 54 00:04:21,761 --> 00:04:24,864 to "Why did I have to survive?" 55 00:04:24,964 --> 00:04:26,566 I don't know how to describe it. 56 00:04:26,666 --> 00:04:29,135 It, it's sort of a pain in my, in my, my, gut, you know, 57 00:04:29,235 --> 00:04:33,072 and I remember actually doubling over realizing, 58 00:04:33,172 --> 00:04:36,342 "Oh, my God, those three people were all on my side, 59 00:04:36,442 --> 00:04:38,478 and I didn't get them out". 60 00:04:38,578 --> 00:04:40,613 It's so hard to get past being alive 61 00:04:40,713 --> 00:04:43,616 when all these people aren't, and I've had people say to me, 62 00:04:43,716 --> 00:04:45,151 you know, "Oh, you're so lucky. 63 00:04:45,251 --> 00:04:47,053 You got out of there. You must feel great". 64 00:04:47,153 --> 00:04:49,255 You don't. 65 00:04:54,294 --> 00:04:57,397 I woke up thinking about 9/11, went to bed thinking about it, 66 00:04:57,497 --> 00:05:01,367 dreamed about it, just couldn't get out of it. 67 00:05:01,467 --> 00:05:04,837 I mean, I just kept replaying that day over and over 68 00:05:04,937 --> 00:05:09,642 and over again. 69 00:05:09,742 --> 00:05:13,212 Before I met Tania, I had talked to, you know, 70 00:05:13,313 --> 00:05:15,581 a couple of professional people, 71 00:05:15,682 --> 00:05:17,784 and it really wasn't helping me. 72 00:05:17,884 --> 00:05:19,552 I searched online, 73 00:05:19,652 --> 00:05:23,990 and I joined the support group that they had for survivors. 74 00:05:24,090 --> 00:05:26,826 We started as an online peer support group 75 00:05:26,926 --> 00:05:28,594 where you could go into a Yahoo group 76 00:05:28,695 --> 00:05:31,297 and connect to other survivors 24 hours a day. 77 00:05:31,397 --> 00:05:33,399 So, one day, you were having a bad day, 78 00:05:33,499 --> 00:05:36,169 and you would post it online, and within 30 minutes, 79 00:05:36,269 --> 00:05:38,538 you'd get 40 replies of people saying, 80 00:05:38,638 --> 00:05:40,840 "I know what you feel," you know. 81 00:05:40,940 --> 00:05:42,742 "It's okay to have those feelings. 82 00:05:42,842 --> 00:05:44,043 I'm here for you. 83 00:05:44,143 --> 00:05:45,778 Just call me. Anything you need". 84 00:05:45,878 --> 00:05:49,148 Many people were having economic problems, 85 00:05:49,248 --> 00:05:57,757 health problems, just a lot of that sense of parallel reality 86 00:05:57,857 --> 00:06:00,927 that people were heavily living through, and I think, 87 00:06:01,027 --> 00:06:04,397 to a large degree, still do, and I think it was just, 88 00:06:04,497 --> 00:06:05,798 just being with other people 89 00:06:05,898 --> 00:06:09,469 and talking about this stuff helped. 90 00:06:09,569 --> 00:06:11,637 I had many conversations with Tania, 91 00:06:11,738 --> 00:06:13,973 just one-on-one conversations, 92 00:06:14,073 --> 00:06:18,344 but she gave me a lot of support like nobody else had. 93 00:06:18,444 --> 00:06:21,047 I admired her from the very beginning 94 00:06:21,147 --> 00:06:25,384 how strong she seemed, and at the same time, 95 00:06:25,485 --> 00:06:27,687 once I started to get to know her, 96 00:06:27,787 --> 00:06:30,990 then I realized this whole strength thing that she shows 97 00:06:31,090 --> 00:06:32,792 is really a facade. 98 00:06:32,892 --> 00:06:34,560 She's really in pain. 99 00:06:34,660 --> 00:06:38,664 She's, she was, she seemed to be really in pain... 100 00:06:38,765 --> 00:06:41,300 and really, really distraught, and, and I, and I said, 101 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,603 "Well, of course. 102 00:06:43,703 --> 00:06:46,272 How could she not be?" 103 00:06:53,379 --> 00:06:55,515 When I first heard Tania's story, 104 00:06:55,615 --> 00:06:58,451 she did not talk about it much, and then one day, 105 00:06:58,551 --> 00:07:01,187 she just wrote it out in its entirety, 106 00:07:01,287 --> 00:07:02,855 and it blew me away. 107 00:07:02,955 --> 00:07:05,792 I mean, you know, we had all been through horrible things, 108 00:07:05,892 --> 00:07:09,562 but Tania's was just, just head and shoulders 109 00:07:09,662 --> 00:07:12,565 above anything else that any of us had gone through. 110 00:07:19,405 --> 00:07:21,307 I started seeing these flames, and I was like, 111 00:07:21,407 --> 00:07:23,442 "Something's happening in the other tower". 112 00:07:23,543 --> 00:07:25,745 And I started thinking about Dave right away. 113 00:07:25,845 --> 00:07:29,148 I, the first thing I did was starting to count floors 114 00:07:29,248 --> 00:07:31,717 down from, from the top. 115 00:07:31,818 --> 00:07:33,019 He was on the hundredth floor, and I was like, 116 00:07:33,119 --> 00:07:39,058 "Oh, my God, his floor is one of the floors that has been hit". 117 00:07:39,158 --> 00:07:43,162 A woman started screaming, "There's another plane coming. 118 00:07:43,262 --> 00:07:44,630 There's another plane coming". 119 00:07:54,907 --> 00:07:57,410 The first thing I felt was, 120 00:07:57,510 --> 00:08:00,112 was the, the air was sucked out of my lungs like a, 121 00:08:00,213 --> 00:08:02,014 like a change in pressure. 122 00:08:02,114 --> 00:08:03,349 I, then I was flying. 123 00:08:03,449 --> 00:08:05,251 I was flying through the air from the impact. 124 00:08:05,351 --> 00:08:08,788 I was just flying. 125 00:08:08,888 --> 00:08:11,490 I remember very well the pain of hitting the wall, 126 00:08:11,591 --> 00:08:14,494 the marble wall, and then I, 127 00:08:14,594 --> 00:08:17,029 then I remember the warmth from, 128 00:08:17,129 --> 00:08:24,503 from the explosion, and then I passed out. 129 00:08:31,444 --> 00:08:35,114 My back was, was on fire and my arm, and I was, 130 00:08:35,214 --> 00:08:41,754 I was smelling my own skin burning. 131 00:08:41,854 --> 00:08:45,157 I remember Welles Crowder, the man with the red bandanna. 132 00:08:45,258 --> 00:08:47,393 He had some type of cloth, 133 00:08:47,493 --> 00:08:51,964 and I felt him use that to, to put the flames out, 134 00:08:52,064 --> 00:08:57,003 and um, he hugged me, and he said... 135 00:08:57,103 --> 00:09:02,642 "Just stay awake. Stay awake. Help is coming". 136 00:09:08,748 --> 00:09:11,384 I was, I was in the hospital until Thanksgiving, 137 00:09:11,484 --> 00:09:14,453 November, 2001, and my back was really burned 138 00:09:14,554 --> 00:09:16,088 and my arm was burned and I couldn't walk. 139 00:09:16,188 --> 00:09:17,523 So, I was in a wheelchair. 140 00:09:17,623 --> 00:09:20,026 I couldn't even pull myself on the wheelchair 141 00:09:20,126 --> 00:09:22,361 because I only had one good arm. 142 00:09:22,461 --> 00:09:24,864 So, you know, between the wheelchair, the trauma, 143 00:09:24,964 --> 00:09:27,199 the loss, I didn't know where to start. 144 00:09:27,300 --> 00:09:28,401 It was just too hard. 145 00:09:28,501 --> 00:09:30,436 It was like looking at a mountain 146 00:09:30,536 --> 00:09:34,106 that was 20,000 feet tall. 147 00:09:53,492 --> 00:09:55,428 My story was so insignificant 148 00:09:55,528 --> 00:09:57,630 to what she went through that my first reaction 149 00:09:57,730 --> 00:09:59,565 writing to her was, "That's horrible," 150 00:09:59,665 --> 00:10:01,467 and, "I don't belong in this group," 151 00:10:01,567 --> 00:10:04,937 and a lot of people wrote that, and she was very supportive, 152 00:10:05,037 --> 00:10:06,839 saying, "No, you do. 153 00:10:06,939 --> 00:10:11,510 You know, what we all went through was equally important". 154 00:10:11,610 --> 00:10:15,414 She was fabulous. 155 00:10:15,514 --> 00:10:18,184 Here's this person who went through so much 156 00:10:18,284 --> 00:10:21,253 that who in the world could possibly survive this, 157 00:10:21,354 --> 00:10:23,689 yet she's a survivor. 158 00:10:23,789 --> 00:10:26,993 Here she is. She's a survivor! 159 00:10:29,829 --> 00:10:32,398 I think you find that by talking to other people 160 00:10:32,498 --> 00:10:35,234 and helping others, getting involved, 161 00:10:35,334 --> 00:10:38,137 it helps carry your own burden, 162 00:10:38,237 --> 00:10:40,473 and I think that's how you mask it. 163 00:10:40,573 --> 00:10:43,876 You, you kind of, um hide your pain 164 00:10:43,976 --> 00:10:47,213 by getting involved helping others. 165 00:11:05,598 --> 00:11:07,867 I became aware of Tania, 166 00:11:07,967 --> 00:11:13,606 and I was very curious as to how she got through all that. 167 00:11:13,706 --> 00:11:18,944 It was a story that pulled you in, obviously. 168 00:11:19,045 --> 00:11:24,250 But I did notice that her arm was, looked like it had been, 169 00:11:24,350 --> 00:11:26,085 I don't know, it almost looked like skin grafts 170 00:11:26,185 --> 00:11:28,821 on her right arm, 171 00:11:28,921 --> 00:11:33,592 and I remember thinking that it didn't look like 172 00:11:33,692 --> 00:11:40,833 it had been burned. 173 00:11:40,933 --> 00:11:43,536 I had felt mad at myself for even thinking 174 00:11:43,636 --> 00:11:46,539 that there was something amiss, 175 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:48,741 but I often wonder why I was even asking the question. 176 00:11:57,817 --> 00:11:59,151 I first encountered Tania Head 177 00:11:59,251 --> 00:12:00,619 on the Internet group. 178 00:12:00,719 --> 00:12:02,054 We began having an email conversation, 179 00:12:02,154 --> 00:12:03,723 and she shared her story with me, 180 00:12:03,823 --> 00:12:05,124 and I shared my story with her, 181 00:12:05,224 --> 00:12:07,860 which is kind of normal for survivors to do. 182 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,930 I was struck by how dramatic her story was. 183 00:12:11,030 --> 00:12:13,265 It was pervasive. 184 00:12:13,365 --> 00:12:17,770 It was this idea of this person who had gone through so much, 185 00:12:17,870 --> 00:12:20,106 and, and people try to protect her a lot, 186 00:12:20,206 --> 00:12:22,241 and I think I probably had a protective feeling 187 00:12:22,341 --> 00:12:24,276 right from the start. 188 00:12:24,376 --> 00:12:26,212 I had met Gerry Bogacz, 189 00:12:26,312 --> 00:12:28,647 and Gerry was also meeting with survivors. 190 00:12:28,747 --> 00:12:31,150 He had started having dinner with people in his office 191 00:12:31,250 --> 00:12:33,619 who were interested in meeting and discussing 192 00:12:33,719 --> 00:12:35,688 their September 11th experience. 193 00:12:35,788 --> 00:12:38,057 I had the idea for the Survivors' Network because, 194 00:12:38,157 --> 00:12:41,494 again, I had this feeling of having a hole I needed to fill 195 00:12:41,594 --> 00:12:44,763 about 9/11 in me. 196 00:12:44,864 --> 00:12:46,999 I suggested that she come to a meeting 197 00:12:47,099 --> 00:12:48,868 of the Survivors' Network as a way of bringing, 198 00:12:48,968 --> 00:12:51,003 bringing these two groups together, 199 00:12:51,103 --> 00:12:54,240 and that was the first time I had met her in person. 200 00:12:58,944 --> 00:13:01,280 We ended up going for coffee that same day, 201 00:13:01,380 --> 00:13:03,949 and we started to unite forces, 202 00:13:04,049 --> 00:13:09,555 and we formed the World Trade Center Survivors' Network. 203 00:13:09,655 --> 00:13:12,658 I was driven. I'd been working non-stop. 204 00:13:12,758 --> 00:13:16,629 I'd been working at my work, for, for my work. 205 00:13:16,729 --> 00:13:18,564 I'd been working for the Survivors' Network, for the, 206 00:13:18,664 --> 00:13:21,233 for Dave's foundation, for the widows' group. 207 00:13:21,333 --> 00:13:23,936 I mean, I had just been working 24 hours a day 208 00:13:24,036 --> 00:13:25,938 non-stop for different things, 209 00:13:26,038 --> 00:13:28,274 and that's how my anger was channeled 210 00:13:28,374 --> 00:13:30,142 because of this obsession that I had to, 211 00:13:30,242 --> 00:13:34,146 to really not be like the hijackers. 212 00:13:45,791 --> 00:13:47,493 I think Tania's presence 213 00:13:47,593 --> 00:13:50,629 made the docent program that we had envisioned possible. 214 00:13:50,729 --> 00:13:55,134 Her story kind of fit into that kind of all-encompassing 215 00:13:55,234 --> 00:13:58,137 survivor and a hero and, you know, a widow 216 00:13:58,237 --> 00:14:02,841 and everything that kind of 9/11 came to represent on that day. 217 00:14:02,942 --> 00:14:05,477 So, her story was incredible. 218 00:14:05,578 --> 00:14:08,881 I would call her just an energetic booster 219 00:14:08,981 --> 00:14:10,983 for the needs of the survivor community. 220 00:14:11,083 --> 00:14:15,120 She genuinely wanted recognition for the Survivor Network 221 00:14:15,221 --> 00:14:18,557 and the survivor community to recognize not only 222 00:14:18,657 --> 00:14:21,026 what they had gone through and attest to that, 223 00:14:21,126 --> 00:14:25,130 but to provide a venue for them to feel like this is theirs. 224 00:14:25,231 --> 00:14:27,199 And from there, I started going down on my own. 225 00:14:27,299 --> 00:14:29,335 I've seen Sting, because I love Sting. 226 00:14:29,435 --> 00:14:31,070 We didn't have access to the site, 227 00:14:31,170 --> 00:14:34,807 so that initial ability to actually go into the site was, 228 00:14:34,907 --> 00:14:36,542 was a very powerful experience, 229 00:14:36,642 --> 00:14:39,178 and it was very much appreciated that Tania 230 00:14:39,278 --> 00:14:42,448 was able to make those arrangements. 231 00:14:42,548 --> 00:14:44,917 It was amazing that she survived. 232 00:14:45,017 --> 00:14:47,119 So, you were just thankful, you know, to look at her 233 00:14:47,219 --> 00:14:49,655 and see people recover and heal 234 00:14:49,755 --> 00:14:52,258 and do amazing stuff with their life. 235 00:14:52,358 --> 00:14:54,260 She had a tremendous sense of humor 236 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,929 and laughed a lot 237 00:14:57,029 --> 00:14:59,465 and always wanted to plan another event 238 00:14:59,565 --> 00:15:01,500 and do important things, 239 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:06,105 and one couldn't help but be drawn into that. 240 00:15:06,205 --> 00:15:07,473 Tania, you did a great job. 241 00:15:07,573 --> 00:15:09,108 Thank you. 242 00:15:19,718 --> 00:15:21,020 Are you comfortable? 243 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:22,621 Hey Tania? Walk, walk... 244 00:15:22,721 --> 00:15:24,023 I think these reporters are waiting for you. 245 00:15:24,123 --> 00:15:25,391 No. 246 00:15:25,491 --> 00:15:26,692 You don't, don't have to. 247 00:15:26,792 --> 00:15:27,826 After we finished the tour, 248 00:15:27,926 --> 00:15:28,861 we were getting ready to leave, 249 00:15:28,961 --> 00:15:31,864 and a group of reporters came towards Tania. 250 00:15:31,964 --> 00:15:33,465 They wanted to get an interview. 251 00:15:33,565 --> 00:15:36,035 Tania started having a lot of anxiety. 252 00:15:36,135 --> 00:15:39,905 She was like out of control... 253 00:15:40,005 --> 00:15:42,941 ...and actually led up to a full-blown panic attack. 254 00:15:43,042 --> 00:15:45,644 Just go, walk quick, Tania, walk quick. 255 00:15:45,744 --> 00:15:46,945 Okay. 256 00:15:47,046 --> 00:15:48,414 Like totally breaking down, crying, 257 00:15:48,514 --> 00:15:51,450 shaking, and I had to tell the reporters to leave her alone, 258 00:15:51,550 --> 00:15:53,585 and I had to get her out of there. 259 00:15:53,686 --> 00:15:56,422 If you don't wanna talk, we don't talk. 260 00:16:02,928 --> 00:16:05,898 One day I came home from work, 261 00:16:05,998 --> 00:16:10,369 and what I found was rose petals leading from the door 262 00:16:10,469 --> 00:16:13,405 to our dining room, and I followed the rose petals, 263 00:16:13,505 --> 00:16:15,207 and I found Dave standing there 264 00:16:15,307 --> 00:16:18,143 with a coconut bra and a grass skirt, 265 00:16:18,243 --> 00:16:22,114 dancing to Hawaiian songs, and I was like, "Oh, my God". 266 00:16:22,214 --> 00:16:27,052 And he had, even cooked this really disgusting Hawaiian food, 267 00:16:27,152 --> 00:16:29,388 recipes that he had found on the internet. 268 00:16:29,488 --> 00:16:31,824 and on the dining table were two, 269 00:16:31,924 --> 00:16:34,827 were two tickets to Hawaii leaving the next day. 270 00:16:43,769 --> 00:16:45,571 He'd planned this whole amazing trip 271 00:16:45,671 --> 00:16:48,674 because she was busy working, and he wanted to take her away 272 00:16:48,774 --> 00:16:52,311 and had her measurements sent and made her this beautiful, 273 00:16:52,411 --> 00:16:56,882 white dress, and her parents came from California over there 274 00:16:56,982 --> 00:16:58,650 to witness the ceremony. 275 00:16:58,751 --> 00:17:00,786 It wasn't a, a, a legal ceremony. 276 00:17:00,886 --> 00:17:06,825 It was like a just a ceremony of a wedding. 277 00:17:06,925 --> 00:17:08,427 I walked outside, 278 00:17:08,527 --> 00:17:12,097 and there were these four huge Hawaiian warriors with torches 279 00:17:12,197 --> 00:17:14,400 waiting for me outside, and they, I'm like, 280 00:17:14,500 --> 00:17:15,667 "What's going on?" 281 00:17:15,768 --> 00:17:18,270 And they're like, "No, we're escorting you down the, 282 00:17:18,370 --> 00:17:19,338 down the garden aisle". 283 00:17:19,438 --> 00:17:20,539 And I go I'm like, "Okay". 284 00:17:21,740 --> 00:17:23,075 So, I followed them, and we went all the way to the beach, 285 00:17:23,175 --> 00:17:25,010 and there was Dave standing in the middle 286 00:17:25,110 --> 00:17:29,982 of a circle of orchids. 287 00:17:30,082 --> 00:17:31,150 And the next morning, 288 00:17:31,250 --> 00:17:33,185 we started calling all our friends and families, 289 00:17:33,285 --> 00:17:36,355 telling them we had gotten Maui-ed, 290 00:17:36,455 --> 00:17:39,525 not married but Maui-ed. 291 00:17:45,731 --> 00:17:47,833 Whenever she talked about Dave, 292 00:17:47,933 --> 00:17:50,335 she never showed any pictures or anything. 293 00:17:50,436 --> 00:17:52,471 We never met Dave's family. 294 00:17:52,571 --> 00:17:55,374 So, the thought crossed my mind, 295 00:17:55,474 --> 00:17:56,642 "What if she's one of these people 296 00:17:56,742 --> 00:17:58,377 who just never tells the truth, 297 00:17:58,477 --> 00:18:00,646 and she just made everything up?" 298 00:18:00,746 --> 00:18:02,781 You know, the, the thought crossed my mind, 299 00:18:02,881 --> 00:18:05,417 but I didn't think it was possible. 300 00:18:05,517 --> 00:18:08,287 So, what I did was, I was about to go to bed that night, 301 00:18:08,387 --> 00:18:09,321 and I figured, "You know what? 302 00:18:09,421 --> 00:18:11,523 Let me just look online, 303 00:18:11,623 --> 00:18:13,559 do a little research on part of her story, 304 00:18:13,659 --> 00:18:15,694 make sure there was a connection and see the story's true, 305 00:18:15,794 --> 00:18:17,696 go to bed". 306 00:18:20,199 --> 00:18:21,667 And he existed. 307 00:18:21,767 --> 00:18:25,070 He was where she said he was, and, you know, 308 00:18:25,170 --> 00:18:26,972 he died on that day. 309 00:18:27,072 --> 00:18:30,909 There were a lot of newspaper articles, message boards. 310 00:18:31,009 --> 00:18:32,811 He's a very popular guy, 311 00:18:32,911 --> 00:18:35,814 but there was one thing that wasn't there, 312 00:18:35,914 --> 00:18:40,652 any mention of Tania anywhere. 313 00:18:40,752 --> 00:18:44,022 No mention of a fianc�, no mention of the trip to Hawaii 314 00:18:44,122 --> 00:18:46,258 that she talked about the month before, 315 00:18:46,358 --> 00:18:50,963 I mean, just no mention of anything that she said. 316 00:20:18,183 --> 00:20:23,422 She was in love with American people and the United States. 317 00:20:36,802 --> 00:20:38,537 Okay, come on. 318 00:20:38,637 --> 00:20:40,038 Come on. 319 00:20:40,138 --> 00:20:41,106 You're a good boy. 320 00:20:42,174 --> 00:20:43,175 Yes, you are a good boy, and you love your cookies, 321 00:20:43,275 --> 00:20:46,345 and it shows. 322 00:20:46,445 --> 00:20:48,914 Bang. 323 00:20:49,014 --> 00:20:49,781 Okay. 324 00:20:50,649 --> 00:20:53,652 That's not totally dead, but. 325 00:20:53,752 --> 00:20:55,187 Well, he's been wearing a red bandanna 326 00:20:55,287 --> 00:20:57,889 since we've had him, really. 327 00:20:57,990 --> 00:21:02,027 When we lost Welles, we put it on him, 328 00:21:02,127 --> 00:21:04,396 and he's always wear, worn, worn one. 329 00:21:04,496 --> 00:21:06,732 Yes, you have. Yes, you have. 330 00:21:06,832 --> 00:21:07,566 You're a good boy. 331 00:21:07,666 --> 00:21:09,368 I first heard the name Tania Head 332 00:21:09,468 --> 00:21:12,604 when a friend of ours who we'd gotten to know, 333 00:21:12,704 --> 00:21:16,608 a very lovely woman who volunteers down at Ground Zero, 334 00:21:16,708 --> 00:21:20,712 called me and said, "Alison, I think I've, 335 00:21:20,812 --> 00:21:22,247 I've, I've, I've met someone, 336 00:21:22,347 --> 00:21:24,850 I've heard of someone else who Welles saved. 337 00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:27,219 This woman at Ground Zero was leading the tour, 338 00:21:27,319 --> 00:21:29,888 and she started sharing a story about how 339 00:21:29,988 --> 00:21:32,257 the Man in the Red Bandanna saved her. 340 00:21:32,357 --> 00:21:33,859 I said, "Oh, oh, that's wonderful. 341 00:21:33,959 --> 00:21:36,461 You know, we would love to, to meet her". 342 00:21:36,561 --> 00:21:38,730 Tania, I remember the first time we talked about it. 343 00:21:38,830 --> 00:21:40,999 I asked her, "Do you know that guy with the red bandanna 344 00:21:41,099 --> 00:21:42,801 that they were talking about?" 345 00:21:42,901 --> 00:21:44,936 And she said, "Yeah, he saved my life". 346 00:21:45,037 --> 00:21:46,271 And then she came to me, and she said, 347 00:21:46,371 --> 00:21:48,707 "Well, she's a little reluctant to meet with you. 348 00:21:48,807 --> 00:21:51,476 She's had some unfortunate experiences with other families 349 00:21:51,576 --> 00:21:54,746 being very angry that she survived 350 00:21:54,846 --> 00:21:57,115 and their loved ones didn't, 351 00:21:57,215 --> 00:21:59,718 and she would like to meet with you but very privately. 352 00:21:59,818 --> 00:22:01,620 It has to be very privately". 353 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,255 I said, "Well, fine". You know, "We'll meet. 354 00:22:03,355 --> 00:22:07,125 We're members of the Princeton Club and have dinner there". 355 00:22:07,225 --> 00:22:10,495 She seemed very grateful, and we were, you know, very pleased. 356 00:22:10,595 --> 00:22:11,830 It was a beautiful thing. 357 00:22:11,930 --> 00:22:15,934 We were, we were very moved that she, she'd been saved, 358 00:22:16,034 --> 00:22:19,371 and, and obviously, it meant so much to her. 359 00:22:19,471 --> 00:22:20,872 I find that family members 360 00:22:20,972 --> 00:22:23,942 of people who were killed, they wanna know what happened, 361 00:22:24,042 --> 00:22:28,046 but I just, I just don't wanna put those images 362 00:22:28,146 --> 00:22:29,748 into their, their heads. 363 00:22:29,848 --> 00:22:31,183 They don't, they don't, they don't have to know. 364 00:22:31,283 --> 00:22:33,919 They don't have to know how their loved ones died. 365 00:22:34,019 --> 00:22:37,522 I think it's, it's better if, if they just don't know 366 00:22:37,622 --> 00:22:43,061 because I saw so much suffering on that floor to the, 367 00:22:43,161 --> 00:22:47,365 to the degree where it's just, it's just something that I, 368 00:22:47,466 --> 00:22:48,734 I don't wanna share with anyone. 369 00:22:48,834 --> 00:22:52,804 I'm just kind of been keeping it to myself. 370 00:22:52,904 --> 00:22:55,741 It's, it's a secret that you carry with you, it's, and, 371 00:22:55,841 --> 00:22:57,776 and it becomes a burden because you can't really share 372 00:22:57,876 --> 00:22:59,811 with a lot of people out there. 373 00:22:59,911 --> 00:23:03,648 Who, who wants to, who wants to talk about body parts 374 00:23:03,749 --> 00:23:05,050 and blood and carnage? 375 00:23:05,150 --> 00:23:06,618 There's nobod... 376 00:23:06,718 --> 00:23:09,087 there's not that many people you can talk to about that. 377 00:23:16,595 --> 00:23:17,829 My head was covered. 378 00:23:17,929 --> 00:23:19,931 But when the second plane crashed, 379 00:23:20,031 --> 00:23:23,401 I had to run for my life. 380 00:23:26,037 --> 00:23:29,141 Okay, this was tower number two, the South Tower, 381 00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:30,709 the second tower to get hit. 382 00:23:30,809 --> 00:23:34,012 They were 110 stories each. 383 00:23:34,112 --> 00:23:37,215 They were so tall that sometimes the people 384 00:23:37,315 --> 00:23:39,351 who came into work that worked on the upper floors 385 00:23:39,451 --> 00:23:41,920 looked down at the clouds. 386 00:23:42,020 --> 00:23:43,555 This is one of the most important things that I do 387 00:23:43,655 --> 00:23:44,823 with my life. 388 00:23:44,923 --> 00:23:47,726 I'm a survivor from September 11th, 389 00:23:47,826 --> 00:23:50,629 and I finally found a purpose. 390 00:23:50,729 --> 00:23:52,664 I know why I'm here, 391 00:23:52,764 --> 00:23:54,800 and it's to talk to people like you that come 392 00:23:54,900 --> 00:23:56,134 and wanna hear our stories. 393 00:23:56,234 --> 00:23:58,103 So, that's very important to me. 394 00:23:58,203 --> 00:23:59,437 This is Tania. 395 00:23:59,538 --> 00:24:02,007 Tania's also a survivor. 396 00:24:02,107 --> 00:24:04,342 She's also Spanish speaking. 397 00:24:04,442 --> 00:24:06,144 So, she has offered to help. 398 00:24:08,113 --> 00:24:09,514 Okay. 399 00:24:09,614 --> 00:24:10,582 She's also a survivor, 400 00:24:10,682 --> 00:24:13,385 and she's also one of my best friends. 401 00:24:13,485 --> 00:24:14,820 I met Tania... 402 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,289 Tania and Linda were like sisters. 403 00:24:17,389 --> 00:24:20,225 They just, every time we had any kind of event, 404 00:24:20,325 --> 00:24:23,094 whether it was, you know, like an official meeting 405 00:24:23,195 --> 00:24:24,696 or any time we went out socially, 406 00:24:24,796 --> 00:24:26,531 those two were always together. 407 00:24:26,631 --> 00:24:27,098 Let's show him what regular people 408 00:24:27,199 --> 00:24:28,300 at the U.S. Open do. 409 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:29,067 You ready? 410 00:24:29,167 --> 00:24:31,770 Yeah. 411 00:24:31,870 --> 00:24:33,104 Let's show him now what survivors 412 00:24:33,205 --> 00:24:36,608 do when they go to the U.S. Open. 413 00:24:36,708 --> 00:24:37,476 Checking out for planes 414 00:24:37,576 --> 00:24:38,743 taking off from LaGuardia. 415 00:24:38,844 --> 00:24:39,511 We're watching the planes take off from LaGuardia. 416 00:24:41,546 --> 00:24:42,714 That's good. 417 00:24:45,584 --> 00:24:47,986 Tania taught me how to live life with grace, 418 00:24:48,086 --> 00:24:53,992 with courage, with the strength to overcome, to me, 419 00:24:54,092 --> 00:24:55,861 some of the scariest things that I've ever faced 420 00:24:55,961 --> 00:24:57,929 in my entire life. 421 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,969 I don't wanna live my life based on 422 00:25:04,069 --> 00:25:05,470 what happened to me. 423 00:25:05,570 --> 00:25:08,206 I wanna live my life like Tania's living her life, 424 00:25:08,306 --> 00:25:12,010 like going out and helping other people and doing something good 425 00:25:12,110 --> 00:25:15,046 with my really horrible experience. 426 00:25:34,599 --> 00:25:36,601 We had a very beautiful bronze sculpture 427 00:25:36,701 --> 00:25:40,605 of a phoenix bird rising from the World Trade Center 428 00:25:40,705 --> 00:25:42,908 with our message that, you know, good will prevail, 429 00:25:43,008 --> 00:25:45,677 that, that good will rise from the ashes like the phoenix 430 00:25:45,777 --> 00:25:48,680 and prevail. 431 00:25:48,780 --> 00:25:52,684 So, we were dedicating that sculpture at church, 432 00:25:52,784 --> 00:25:55,921 and we invited Tania to come. 433 00:25:56,021 --> 00:25:59,624 Tania was on that 78th Floor sky lobby, 434 00:25:59,724 --> 00:26:02,794 and she's here with us today, thank God, 435 00:26:02,894 --> 00:26:07,499 and I'm gonna ask her now if she would speak a little for you. 436 00:26:09,968 --> 00:26:13,038 I remember when we got to his service, 437 00:26:13,138 --> 00:26:14,940 Tania was a nervous wreck. 438 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,174 She couldn't get up. 439 00:26:17,409 --> 00:26:18,610 She couldn't read the piece, and she had asked me to read it. 440 00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:21,713 When Alison and Jeff asked me to speak today, 441 00:26:21,813 --> 00:26:26,284 I sat down staring at a blank screen, and I cried, 442 00:26:26,384 --> 00:26:30,255 unable to find the words, the right words to say. 443 00:26:30,355 --> 00:26:32,958 What exactly do you say to the family of the man 444 00:26:33,058 --> 00:26:36,995 who saved your life and gave his in the process? 445 00:26:37,095 --> 00:26:42,067 Welles was my hero, too, because he saved Tania. 446 00:26:42,167 --> 00:26:44,602 And I found myself flying through the air 447 00:26:44,703 --> 00:26:47,439 and I eventually crashed against the marble wall. 448 00:26:47,539 --> 00:26:50,609 It was all part of this beautiful service 449 00:26:50,709 --> 00:26:55,680 that was filled with love and hope and just, 450 00:26:55,780 --> 00:27:01,052 we were so moved, really moved. 451 00:27:01,152 --> 00:27:03,021 Hey, Welles, I'm prepared. 452 00:27:08,026 --> 00:27:09,027 I was almost paralyzed. 453 00:27:10,128 --> 00:27:11,696 The things they were saying about our son, Welles, 454 00:27:11,796 --> 00:27:13,465 were so beautiful and so powerful, 455 00:27:13,565 --> 00:27:14,466 and they said over and over again, 456 00:27:15,467 --> 00:27:19,371 "You have no idea, truly, what your son faced". 457 00:27:19,471 --> 00:27:23,074 We believe that good, that the good of the human spirit is 458 00:27:23,174 --> 00:27:33,051 far more powerful than the evil that happened that day. 459 00:27:33,151 --> 00:27:34,719 Now that Dave is gone, 460 00:27:34,819 --> 00:27:37,022 because we were gonna have that wedding on October 12, 461 00:27:37,122 --> 00:27:39,624 we never really filed the marriage certificate 462 00:27:39,724 --> 00:27:40,959 here in New York. 463 00:27:41,059 --> 00:27:44,462 So, in the eyes of the laws, we weren't married. 464 00:27:44,562 --> 00:27:48,400 There was no need for us to file it because we were gonna 465 00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:50,235 get married here October 12. 466 00:27:50,335 --> 00:27:53,304 So, when he died, that was a huge problem for me, 467 00:27:53,405 --> 00:27:56,007 but I was able to solve that with the help of a lawyer, 468 00:27:56,107 --> 00:28:00,612 and a judge... ended up marrying us posthumously, 469 00:28:00,712 --> 00:28:03,915 which was the saddest thing in the world to become a widow, 470 00:28:04,015 --> 00:28:08,853 you know, like that, but it's strange. 471 00:28:15,727 --> 00:28:16,995 Tania, this year, was very, very distant 472 00:28:17,095 --> 00:28:19,464 from all of us. 473 00:28:19,564 --> 00:28:29,007 And she had been in denial for years about her husband dying. 474 00:28:29,107 --> 00:28:30,642 There was times when I was concerned 475 00:28:30,742 --> 00:28:32,510 that she would hurt herself, 476 00:28:32,610 --> 00:28:35,580 maybe commit suicide because she would sometimes say 477 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,482 that she wanted to die, 478 00:28:37,582 --> 00:28:39,584 and a couple of the other board members and I 479 00:28:39,684 --> 00:28:40,585 would talk about that, 480 00:28:41,586 --> 00:28:43,154 and we were concerned at times that she might 481 00:28:43,254 --> 00:28:44,956 take her own life. 482 00:28:45,056 --> 00:28:46,291 Tania was in the middle of doing 483 00:28:46,391 --> 00:28:48,927 this very intensive therapy called flooding 484 00:28:49,027 --> 00:28:51,096 to face Dave's death. 485 00:28:51,196 --> 00:28:53,998 You would tell your story to a therapist, 486 00:28:54,099 --> 00:28:56,101 and you would record it, 487 00:28:56,201 --> 00:28:59,571 And you have to keep reliving over and over again 488 00:28:59,671 --> 00:29:03,508 the experience of the tragic or traumatic event 489 00:29:03,608 --> 00:29:06,344 that went through your life. 490 00:29:06,444 --> 00:29:10,682 She tape recorded her experience from September 11th. 491 00:29:10,782 --> 00:29:11,616 I heard the engines. 492 00:29:11,716 --> 00:29:13,818 I saw people pray. 493 00:29:13,918 --> 00:29:15,320 You knew that you were gonna die, 494 00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:17,789 and I was just praying, please don't let this hurt. 495 00:29:17,889 --> 00:29:19,090 Please don't let this hurt. 496 00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:19,958 I would be behind her, 497 00:29:20,058 --> 00:29:21,793 and she would start circling around, 498 00:29:21,893 --> 00:29:24,028 and the tape would play, "Oh, my God. 499 00:29:24,129 --> 00:29:25,730 Oh, my God, the plane is coming. 500 00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:28,766 The plane is coming," and it would literally crash. 501 00:29:28,867 --> 00:29:30,502 And I could tell you, I could visualize the stuff, 502 00:29:30,602 --> 00:29:32,504 listening to her talk about it. 503 00:29:37,542 --> 00:29:42,247 She would recount how her assistant was decapitated, 504 00:29:42,347 --> 00:29:47,652 how everyone around her was, was burnt. 505 00:29:47,752 --> 00:29:49,654 She told me that her arm was completely severed, 506 00:29:49,754 --> 00:29:51,456 that there was just one little piece of skin right here 507 00:29:51,556 --> 00:29:53,725 that where it was hanging off, 508 00:29:53,825 --> 00:29:55,827 and some man started tugging on her arm, 509 00:29:55,927 --> 00:29:58,530 and she was screaming and crying because she was afraid 510 00:29:58,630 --> 00:30:00,298 that this man was gonna pull her arm off, 511 00:30:00,398 --> 00:30:02,333 and she told me that she took her arm, 512 00:30:02,433 --> 00:30:04,402 and she tucked it into her coat 513 00:30:04,502 --> 00:30:07,105 to keep it from falling off her body. 514 00:30:07,205 --> 00:30:09,107 And she'd start crying harder and harder, 515 00:30:09,207 --> 00:30:10,909 and she would just, she'd be a wreck, 516 00:30:11,009 --> 00:30:12,610 and I would be trying to hold her up, 517 00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:15,580 like I didn't know what to do. I didn't know what to do. 518 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:16,648 Right now, even talking about this, 519 00:30:16,748 --> 00:30:19,384 I get so worked up that I start going 520 00:30:19,484 --> 00:30:20,985 into so much anxiety over this, 521 00:30:21,085 --> 00:30:24,989 but I did this for her because she was gonna get better. 522 00:30:25,089 --> 00:30:26,758 The nightmares were so bad. 523 00:30:26,858 --> 00:30:29,093 In fact, they were worse. 524 00:30:29,194 --> 00:30:32,263 I started incorporating what she had told me on the tape 525 00:30:32,363 --> 00:30:36,134 into my nightmares, and there wasn't almost a night 526 00:30:36,234 --> 00:30:39,504 that I didn't have a building collapsing on me. 527 00:30:39,604 --> 00:30:40,772 When I finally told her, 528 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,108 "Tania, I've got to stop doing the flooding exercise with you," 529 00:30:44,209 --> 00:30:46,945 she told me that I was a horrible friend, 530 00:30:47,045 --> 00:30:49,280 and I was so selfish. 531 00:30:49,380 --> 00:30:51,382 How could I be such a selfish person? 532 00:30:51,482 --> 00:30:53,985 Didn't I realize what she went through? 533 00:30:54,085 --> 00:30:57,755 Didn't I realize that the trauma that she had sustained 534 00:30:57,855 --> 00:31:00,525 was so much worse than the trauma I had sustained? 535 00:31:00,625 --> 00:31:03,861 I mean, how can, how can I live with that? 536 00:31:03,962 --> 00:31:06,764 I actually became very worried about Linda 537 00:31:06,864 --> 00:31:10,735 because I know Linda's still working through her own stuff. 538 00:31:10,835 --> 00:31:12,937 So, I was worried that Linda would be that much involved 539 00:31:13,037 --> 00:31:16,874 with someone whom I came to realize 540 00:31:16,975 --> 00:31:24,782 was not doing well at all and, and seemed to be getting worse. 541 00:33:07,385 --> 00:33:08,286 Okay, folks, welcome everyone 542 00:33:09,287 --> 00:33:11,556 to our walk today that's gonna be recognizing 543 00:33:11,656 --> 00:33:13,558 all the members of the 9/11 community, 544 00:33:13,658 --> 00:33:15,593 the victims and their families, 545 00:33:15,693 --> 00:33:18,162 the rescuers and recovery workers. 546 00:33:18,262 --> 00:33:21,366 The walk has been organized by the World Trade Center 547 00:33:21,466 --> 00:33:22,900 Survivors' Network. 548 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,136 It's an amazing organization in that 549 00:33:25,236 --> 00:33:27,004 there's no real hierarchy to it. 550 00:33:27,105 --> 00:33:28,906 Everybody just gets together and does the work, 551 00:33:29,006 --> 00:33:32,610 and I do wanna recognize the coordinators of this, 552 00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:34,645 Tania Head. 553 00:33:36,314 --> 00:33:37,382 Tania began to tell me 554 00:33:37,482 --> 00:33:41,152 that people in the network were saying that they had 555 00:33:41,252 --> 00:33:43,321 had some concerns with things that I was doing. 556 00:33:43,421 --> 00:33:45,189 There were people who had told her 557 00:33:45,289 --> 00:33:49,160 that I was not representing survivors aggressively enough. 558 00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:52,330 Then, the board of the, of the network basically called me in 559 00:33:52,430 --> 00:33:54,932 and told me what their concerns were. 560 00:33:55,032 --> 00:33:58,202 A primary person in that whole conversation was Tania. 561 00:33:58,302 --> 00:34:00,571 It was Tania who was basically running this meeting. 562 00:34:00,671 --> 00:34:06,577 Tania was frightened of Gerry, 563 00:34:06,677 --> 00:34:08,579 that he was a hard worker, 564 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:10,548 and, he started the Survivors' Network, 565 00:34:10,648 --> 00:34:14,452 and I think she knew that she couldn't manipulate him. 566 00:34:14,552 --> 00:34:18,156 So, she kind of manipulated everybody else to go 567 00:34:18,256 --> 00:34:22,994 against him so that she could get him out. 568 00:34:23,094 --> 00:34:27,532 She had me thinking that Gerry was bad 569 00:34:27,632 --> 00:34:29,200 for the organization. 570 00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:31,702 Yet, in my heart, I adore Gerry. 571 00:34:31,803 --> 00:34:34,405 I, still to this day, I adore and love Gerry. 572 00:34:34,505 --> 00:34:36,607 He's such a good person, but you have to sometimes 573 00:34:36,707 --> 00:34:40,111 separate yourself from you as a person 574 00:34:40,211 --> 00:34:41,779 and you as part of an organization, 575 00:34:41,879 --> 00:34:43,181 and that's what we had to do. 576 00:34:43,281 --> 00:34:44,515 And... personally, I'm very proud of, 577 00:34:44,615 --> 00:34:46,651 of this organization and the people who are in it. 578 00:34:46,751 --> 00:34:48,586 They've done a great deal of work... 579 00:34:48,686 --> 00:34:52,757 We were having our annual elections for the board, 580 00:34:52,857 --> 00:34:55,426 and the night before the election meeting, 581 00:34:55,526 --> 00:34:58,229 Tania called me and started to talk to me about, 582 00:34:58,329 --> 00:35:00,498 "You don't really wanna come to this meeting, now, do you?" 583 00:35:00,598 --> 00:35:03,734 You know, that type of thing, and I started talking. 584 00:35:03,835 --> 00:35:05,770 I said, "Yeah, no, I'm, I, I wanna be there," 585 00:35:05,870 --> 00:35:07,238 and so forth, and then I realized 586 00:35:07,338 --> 00:35:09,273 through the conversation that what she was really saying 587 00:35:09,373 --> 00:35:11,809 Is that I wasn't going to be elected to the board, 588 00:35:11,909 --> 00:35:13,144 or re-elected to the board. 589 00:35:13,244 --> 00:35:14,345 I even said it to her. 590 00:35:15,546 --> 00:35:15,847 I said, "You're telling me I'm not gonna be re-elected," 591 00:35:16,714 --> 00:35:18,116 and she was kind of quiet, and I said, 592 00:35:18,216 --> 00:35:19,817 "Well, I'm still gonna be there". 593 00:35:27,325 --> 00:35:30,261 The next day, I went to the meeting, 594 00:35:30,361 --> 00:35:32,930 and, in fact, I wasn't re-elected to the board, 595 00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:35,900 and I left at that point. 596 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,069 I remember standing at the bus stop waiting for the bus home, 597 00:35:38,169 --> 00:35:42,106 and, you know, having a physical reaction to it, 598 00:35:42,206 --> 00:35:45,009 just feeling shaken, totally shaken but not in a, 599 00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:46,978 in a psychological way, a physical way, 600 00:35:47,078 --> 00:35:49,614 actually shaking and just wondering 601 00:35:49,714 --> 00:35:52,984 how I had managed to alienate all those people, 602 00:35:53,084 --> 00:35:56,821 you know, and, and, and part of me was sort of beginning 603 00:35:56,921 --> 00:35:57,955 to rebel against it. 604 00:35:58,055 --> 00:35:59,123 There was some anger there, too, like, 605 00:35:59,223 --> 00:36:00,458 what, what, what just happened? 606 00:36:00,558 --> 00:36:01,826 But it was mostly self-doubt. 607 00:36:01,926 --> 00:36:03,794 It was mostly like, what did I do here? 608 00:36:03,895 --> 00:36:06,297 How, how did this happen? 609 00:36:06,397 --> 00:36:09,167 The next day, they came out with a press release, 610 00:36:09,267 --> 00:36:14,872 which described the new board with Tania as the president, 611 00:36:14,972 --> 00:36:17,808 offices we didn't have before. 612 00:36:17,909 --> 00:36:20,244 So, there was this mysterious quality to it, too. 613 00:36:20,344 --> 00:36:22,446 I just couldn't put all these pieces together 614 00:36:22,547 --> 00:36:26,584 and figure out why did it come out this way. 615 00:36:26,684 --> 00:36:33,291 And I haven't really been active with the network since. 616 00:36:33,391 --> 00:36:34,358 I'm like, "Oh, my God. 617 00:36:34,458 --> 00:36:36,694 I, I can't believe I'm seeing this". 618 00:36:36,794 --> 00:36:38,462 And it's like now wait a minute. 619 00:36:38,563 --> 00:36:40,698 I keep trying to find one more website 620 00:36:40,798 --> 00:36:41,933 that will confirm her story, 621 00:36:42,033 --> 00:36:46,504 and I'm checking and checking and checking... Nothing. 622 00:36:46,604 --> 00:36:49,207 Needless to say, I didn't get any sleep that night, 623 00:36:49,307 --> 00:36:55,413 but I sat on this information. 624 00:36:55,513 --> 00:36:58,716 These people were so important in my life. 625 00:36:58,816 --> 00:36:59,917 They brought me back. 626 00:37:00,017 --> 00:37:03,054 You know, they, they made me into a human being again. 627 00:37:03,154 --> 00:37:05,790 I don't what would have happened if I'd never met them, 628 00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:09,227 and I did not wanna lose that, you know. 629 00:37:09,327 --> 00:37:13,664 I, I just could see her making all these people go away, 630 00:37:13,764 --> 00:37:16,968 and I just, I couldn't do it. 631 00:37:17,068 --> 00:37:20,104 I knew deep down that I was gonna tell eventually. 632 00:37:20,204 --> 00:37:23,541 You know, I just knew, but I didn't wanna do it. 633 00:37:23,641 --> 00:37:25,676 I mean, I was just too scared because I knew the power 634 00:37:25,776 --> 00:37:27,945 that she had over people. 635 00:37:39,223 --> 00:37:42,093 It was a couple of days before the sixth anniversary, 636 00:37:42,193 --> 00:37:44,895 Tania came over to me. 637 00:37:44,996 --> 00:37:49,834 She was frantic, and she said that a New York Times reporter 638 00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:52,870 was going to do a story on her. 639 00:37:52,970 --> 00:37:53,738 They really just wanted to do 640 00:37:53,838 --> 00:37:55,272 a really nice story on her. 641 00:37:55,373 --> 00:37:56,907 Six years later, where is she? 642 00:37:57,008 --> 00:37:59,043 You know, that she went to Harvard and Stanford, 643 00:37:59,143 --> 00:38:00,778 she's doing all these wonderful things. 644 00:38:00,878 --> 00:38:02,446 She agreed to it, which I was really happy about. 645 00:38:02,546 --> 00:38:04,615 As time went on, as time went on, 646 00:38:04,715 --> 00:38:06,083 she kept pushing back, 647 00:38:06,183 --> 00:38:08,352 and she was acting very strange about it. 648 00:38:08,452 --> 00:38:10,021 He was asking a lot of personal questions 649 00:38:10,121 --> 00:38:11,589 that she did not wanna answer, 650 00:38:11,689 --> 00:38:15,893 and he was going to write a lot of lies about her. 651 00:38:15,993 --> 00:38:17,962 They were supposed to meet, 652 00:38:18,062 --> 00:38:20,731 but she said that she had another appointment 653 00:38:20,831 --> 00:38:21,899 and was gonna be late. 654 00:38:21,999 --> 00:38:23,501 So, they had to cancel that. 655 00:38:27,071 --> 00:38:29,907 So, he called her up, and she got very upset 656 00:38:30,007 --> 00:38:32,143 and hung up on him. 657 00:38:32,243 --> 00:38:35,379 She called me and said, "He's asking me these questions, 658 00:38:35,479 --> 00:38:37,515 and why is he asking me all these questions?" 659 00:38:37,615 --> 00:38:39,750 And I say, "Well, you don't have to answer them. 660 00:38:39,850 --> 00:38:41,018 It's okay". 661 00:38:42,286 --> 00:38:42,953 We got a call from a reporter, David Dunlap, 662 00:38:43,921 --> 00:38:46,023 at The New York Times, and he said, "Hi". 663 00:38:46,123 --> 00:38:46,991 And he said, 664 00:38:47,958 --> 00:38:48,325 "I'm writing this story about Tania Head, 665 00:38:48,993 --> 00:38:49,960 and, you know, we just need, 666 00:38:51,195 --> 00:38:53,798 there's a couple things we can't quite put into place here". 667 00:38:53,898 --> 00:38:56,267 My immediate reaction to his call was, 668 00:38:56,367 --> 00:38:59,403 "Why are you harassing this woman? 669 00:38:59,503 --> 00:39:00,971 She's been through so much". 670 00:39:01,072 --> 00:39:02,573 I started to answer their questions, 671 00:39:02,673 --> 00:39:03,774 and about a quarter of the way in, 672 00:39:03,874 --> 00:39:05,376 I realized that this wasn't just a piece. 673 00:39:05,476 --> 00:39:08,012 This was an investigation. 674 00:39:20,357 --> 00:39:22,259 As The New York Times was harassing Tania 675 00:39:22,359 --> 00:39:24,528 with phone call after phone call, 676 00:39:24,628 --> 00:39:27,765 she told me that Merrill Lynch had arranged 677 00:39:27,865 --> 00:39:30,501 a family conference at the St. Regis. 678 00:39:30,601 --> 00:39:33,738 There were 11 co-workers that had died with her, 679 00:39:33,838 --> 00:39:39,477 and these families wanted to know how their loved ones died. 680 00:39:39,577 --> 00:39:40,811 She was so afraid. 681 00:39:40,911 --> 00:39:42,113 There were people that she told me 682 00:39:42,213 --> 00:39:44,682 had stalked her over the years. 683 00:39:44,782 --> 00:39:47,852 She called me that morning hysterically crying, and said, 684 00:39:47,952 --> 00:39:49,086 "Linda, I need you to come in now. 685 00:39:49,186 --> 00:39:50,554 These people are so mean to me. 686 00:39:50,654 --> 00:39:51,655 They're screaming at me". 687 00:39:53,257 --> 00:39:55,960 I ran out of my apartment. I hailed a taxi. 688 00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:58,462 I went right into the St. Regis Hotel, 689 00:39:58,562 --> 00:40:01,766 and I found her laying on the side of the hotel, 690 00:40:01,866 --> 00:40:02,566 and she kept repeating, 691 00:40:03,367 --> 00:40:03,868 "I tried to get these people out. 692 00:40:03,968 --> 00:40:04,835 I tried to save them. 693 00:40:04,935 --> 00:40:05,903 I tried to save them all," 694 00:40:06,003 --> 00:40:09,406 and she was crying and shaking and a mess. 695 00:40:09,507 --> 00:40:11,475 She kept telling me over the past six months 696 00:40:11,575 --> 00:40:13,277 that she was gonna try to kill herself, 697 00:40:13,377 --> 00:40:18,415 and I figured, this is the day that she's gonna kill herself. 698 00:40:18,516 --> 00:40:19,817 And I helped her up, and I said, 699 00:40:19,917 --> 00:40:22,353 "Let me bring her inside to the, to the hotel. 700 00:40:22,453 --> 00:40:25,756 They probably know exactly. They we're probably there. 701 00:40:25,856 --> 00:40:27,992 They probably arranged it, and when I went inside, 702 00:40:28,092 --> 00:40:29,894 and I begged them for a quiet place for us to sit, 703 00:40:29,994 --> 00:40:35,800 they didn't even know what I was talking about. 704 00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:37,868 After a little while, she pulled herself together, 705 00:40:37,968 --> 00:40:40,037 and she asked to go the Marsh McLennan Memorial 706 00:40:40,137 --> 00:40:44,208 where her husband Dave's name was. 707 00:40:44,308 --> 00:40:47,578 And we were just touching Dave's name over and over again, 708 00:40:47,678 --> 00:40:49,313 and she was crying, but she was calming down 709 00:40:49,413 --> 00:40:52,450 because I felt like, you know, Dave was calming her down. 710 00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:56,453 Dave was calming her down. 711 00:40:56,554 --> 00:40:58,455 And all of a sudden, she was like, 712 00:40:58,556 --> 00:40:59,557 "You can go home now, Linda, 713 00:40:59,657 --> 00:41:01,459 It's okay. I'm gonna be all right". 714 00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:10,801 She begged me to call the reporter 715 00:41:10,901 --> 00:41:13,204 and tell him to stop. 716 00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:15,739 I called up, and I left a message saying, 717 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,209 "I understand you're doing a story on her. 718 00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:21,011 She does not wish to have a story written on her. 719 00:41:21,111 --> 00:41:27,985 Please respect her, her request, her wishes". 720 00:41:28,085 --> 00:41:30,554 And that was it. 721 00:41:30,654 --> 00:41:33,257 And after I hung up, she started yelling at me, 722 00:41:33,357 --> 00:41:36,193 telling me that I probably just made it worse 723 00:41:36,293 --> 00:41:42,066 by telling him that. 724 00:41:42,166 --> 00:41:45,736 If he writes lies, you can just verify. 725 00:41:45,836 --> 00:41:50,207 All you have to do is just get Dave's parents to speak up 726 00:41:50,307 --> 00:41:52,710 and all his friends. 727 00:41:52,810 --> 00:41:54,044 I called him up, and I said, 728 00:41:54,144 --> 00:41:57,214 "You know, this is a really difficult time of the year. 729 00:41:57,314 --> 00:42:00,017 Can you please wait until after the anniversary? 730 00:42:00,117 --> 00:42:04,221 See, she said that she would do the interview then". 731 00:42:04,321 --> 00:42:06,690 He was screaming on the phone to me one day. 732 00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:09,059 He's like goes, "Why can't you just answer the questions?" 733 00:42:16,634 --> 00:42:19,737 She was driving us absolutely crazy. 734 00:42:19,837 --> 00:42:22,907 She would call us constantly several times a day 735 00:42:23,007 --> 00:42:24,742 to talk about this stuff, and, of course, 736 00:42:24,842 --> 00:42:25,943 everybody kept saying, 737 00:42:26,043 --> 00:42:27,411 "Just talk to The Times already. 738 00:42:27,511 --> 00:42:29,313 What is your problem?" 739 00:42:36,921 --> 00:42:38,355 I remember the night before 740 00:42:38,455 --> 00:42:40,424 September 11th anniversary. 741 00:42:40,524 --> 00:42:43,193 She always had a barbecue at her house. 742 00:42:43,294 --> 00:42:44,261 And Tania seemed to be having 743 00:42:44,361 --> 00:42:45,663 a lot of difficulty with something. 744 00:42:45,763 --> 00:42:46,864 You know, she was crying, 745 00:42:46,964 --> 00:42:49,366 running out of the barbecue and everything. 746 00:42:49,466 --> 00:42:50,301 "The Times keeps calling me. 747 00:42:51,235 --> 00:42:51,835 The Times keeps calling me," or whatever. 748 00:42:52,903 --> 00:42:55,172 She was no longer even connected to us as friends. 749 00:42:55,272 --> 00:42:57,241 She was so caught up in her own mania. 750 00:42:57,341 --> 00:42:59,076 She was sitting outside with Janice, 751 00:42:59,176 --> 00:43:00,611 crying hysterically, saying, 752 00:43:00,711 --> 00:43:03,113 "They're, they're asking all these questions. 753 00:43:03,213 --> 00:43:04,915 They're fact checking. 754 00:43:05,015 --> 00:43:08,118 They're questioning my story". 755 00:43:08,218 --> 00:43:09,954 And I remember thinking to myself 756 00:43:10,054 --> 00:43:12,389 what horrible people they are. 757 00:43:12,489 --> 00:43:14,058 I'm thinking, "This guy's on to her," 758 00:43:14,158 --> 00:43:16,327 because there's no reason why she should be 759 00:43:16,427 --> 00:43:18,228 so uncomfortable about this. 760 00:43:18,329 --> 00:43:20,464 Here's Linda, supposedly, this is the, 761 00:43:20,564 --> 00:43:22,166 this is, this is the sixth anniversary. 762 00:43:22,266 --> 00:43:25,536 Linda should be in her own stuff, 763 00:43:25,636 --> 00:43:28,272 and she's worried about Tania crying. 764 00:43:28,372 --> 00:43:30,507 I begged her. 765 00:43:30,607 --> 00:43:32,810 I begged her to give me something, 766 00:43:32,910 --> 00:43:35,913 a piece of evidence that I could go to to The New York Times. 767 00:43:36,013 --> 00:43:39,783 I begged her, "Give me the name of the firefighter 768 00:43:39,883 --> 00:43:43,187 that carried you out that morning, the one that was, 769 00:43:43,287 --> 00:43:44,822 that you were handed off to 770 00:43:44,922 --> 00:43:46,790 and threw you underneath that fire truck 771 00:43:46,890 --> 00:43:49,226 when the tower came down right on West Street. 772 00:43:49,326 --> 00:43:51,695 You told me that story a million times. 773 00:43:51,795 --> 00:43:54,264 You and that firefighter survived". 774 00:43:54,365 --> 00:43:58,002 Everybody else in Tania's story had died. 775 00:43:58,102 --> 00:44:01,972 I begged her for the name of that firefighter, 776 00:44:02,072 --> 00:44:04,141 and she wouldn't give it to me. 777 00:44:04,241 --> 00:44:08,078 She would not give me the name of that firefighter. 778 00:44:08,178 --> 00:44:09,580 She wouldn't. 779 00:44:17,021 --> 00:44:19,656 I had suggested to her to get an attorney. 780 00:44:19,757 --> 00:44:21,792 I said, "Why don't you get yourself an attorney? 781 00:44:21,892 --> 00:44:24,561 This way then you know what your rights are". 782 00:44:24,662 --> 00:44:27,131 As we were going up in the elevator, she says, 783 00:44:27,231 --> 00:44:30,300 "Okay, Janice, I'm gonna tell you my story. 784 00:44:30,401 --> 00:44:32,236 I'm not a U.S. citizen. 785 00:44:32,336 --> 00:44:35,439 That's why I can't say anything to the reporters". 786 00:44:35,539 --> 00:44:37,674 So, I said, "It doesn't matter to me 787 00:44:37,775 --> 00:44:39,276 you're not a U.S. citizen, you know. 788 00:44:39,376 --> 00:44:40,110 That's okay. 789 00:44:40,944 --> 00:44:41,211 I don't think anybody will mind that 790 00:44:41,879 --> 00:44:43,280 you're not a U.S. citizen". 791 00:44:43,380 --> 00:44:45,149 So, we went into the lawyer's office, 792 00:44:45,249 --> 00:44:46,750 and the lawyer said that I didn't have 793 00:44:46,850 --> 00:44:50,521 client privilege rights, 794 00:44:50,621 --> 00:44:53,957 so that if, if it was okay, for me to wait outside. 795 00:44:54,058 --> 00:44:55,225 And I says, "Absolutely. 796 00:44:55,325 --> 00:44:59,296 I'm here just to, you know, as her friend". 797 00:44:59,396 --> 00:45:04,968 I sat outside for two hours, and the lawyer calls me in. 798 00:45:05,069 --> 00:45:07,137 She started saying things back to Tania 799 00:45:07,237 --> 00:45:09,406 that they had spoke about in the meeting, 800 00:45:09,506 --> 00:45:16,013 and as she was saying back to Tania, you know, 801 00:45:16,113 --> 00:45:19,316 "It's okay that you only knew Dave a few months," 802 00:45:19,416 --> 00:45:21,285 and now here the story I had known was that 803 00:45:21,385 --> 00:45:23,020 she was married, and, you know, 804 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,255 they had this long relationship. 805 00:45:25,355 --> 00:45:27,224 My life was perfect. 806 00:45:27,324 --> 00:45:28,459 And it's okay, Tania, 807 00:45:29,693 --> 00:45:34,198 that you were only here for the, in the building for the day. 808 00:45:34,298 --> 00:45:35,632 I worked in the World Trade Center. 809 00:45:35,732 --> 00:45:37,067 She died, and I didn't. 810 00:45:37,167 --> 00:45:38,936 And I just could not believe what I was hearing. 811 00:45:39,036 --> 00:45:42,139 I was like, I actually, I think I went into shock. 812 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:43,173 Why am I special? 813 00:45:44,208 --> 00:45:45,442 Why, why was I spared? Why didn't they make it? 814 00:45:45,542 --> 00:45:46,276 I was smelling my own skin burning. 815 00:45:46,376 --> 00:45:47,344 Definitely a love story. 816 00:45:48,412 --> 00:45:48,879 It feels wrong to have walked out of there alive 817 00:45:49,546 --> 00:45:50,614 when so many people didn't. 818 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,931 Janice called me and asked me if I was sitting down, 819 00:46:08,031 --> 00:46:09,767 and I said, "Yeah, I'm, I'm just sitting down. 820 00:46:09,867 --> 00:46:11,034 I was and having my cup of coffee". 821 00:46:11,135 --> 00:46:13,971 It was morning, and she started telling me 822 00:46:14,071 --> 00:46:18,308 that Tania is not who she said she was. 823 00:46:18,408 --> 00:46:19,643 And she was like, "Oh, no, come on". 824 00:46:19,743 --> 00:46:20,944 And I said, "Well, this is what I heard 825 00:46:21,044 --> 00:46:23,046 in the attorney's office," 826 00:46:23,147 --> 00:46:26,250 and the both of us started looking things up. 827 00:46:26,350 --> 00:46:28,552 She's not a fraud. 828 00:46:28,652 --> 00:46:30,354 She's a person that's hurting. 829 00:46:30,454 --> 00:46:31,622 And she said, "No, Linda". 830 00:46:31,722 --> 00:46:35,993 She goes, "Her name is not what she's been telling us. 831 00:46:36,093 --> 00:46:38,195 There was no husband Dave. 832 00:46:38,295 --> 00:46:41,398 She didn't even have a relationship with Dave. 833 00:46:41,498 --> 00:46:48,539 We don't even think she was in the towers that day". 834 00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:51,141 When I got the phone call, 835 00:46:51,241 --> 00:46:55,245 I was at work, 836 00:46:55,345 --> 00:46:59,349 and I immediately started yelling out right in my office, 837 00:46:59,449 --> 00:47:02,553 "What happened? What happened?" 838 00:47:02,653 --> 00:47:06,256 Because I thought she had done something to herself, 839 00:47:06,356 --> 00:47:09,026 and I didn't wanna hear it. 840 00:47:09,126 --> 00:47:15,832 I didn't wanna hear it that she had done something to herself. 841 00:47:15,933 --> 00:47:19,369 And Linda kept saying, "It's not what you think. 842 00:47:19,469 --> 00:47:23,307 It's not what you think. It's not what you think". 843 00:47:23,407 --> 00:47:30,647 And finally, she blurted out the words, 844 00:47:30,747 --> 00:47:33,183 and I wanted to hang up the phone. 845 00:47:33,283 --> 00:47:34,785 I wanted to yell at Linda and say, 846 00:47:34,885 --> 00:47:38,355 "How could you say that? 847 00:47:38,455 --> 00:47:40,924 How could you say that she's a fraud?" 848 00:47:41,024 --> 00:47:42,025 We end tonight with a story 849 00:47:43,126 --> 00:47:45,362 that began on 9/11, a story of tragedy and heroism, 850 00:47:45,462 --> 00:47:47,397 survival and love. 851 00:47:47,497 --> 00:47:48,932 There's just one problem. 852 00:47:49,032 --> 00:47:52,069 As Jeff Glor reports, the story, repeated many times 853 00:47:52,169 --> 00:47:55,973 in the past six years, may be a complete fabrication. 854 00:47:56,073 --> 00:47:57,441 Shocked and stunned. 855 00:47:57,541 --> 00:47:58,308 The New York Times 856 00:47:59,176 --> 00:47:59,676 discovered a flood of discrepancies. 857 00:48:00,811 --> 00:48:01,378 A Manhattan woman is under fire tonight. 858 00:48:02,379 --> 00:48:03,247 Turning now to a mysterious story 859 00:48:04,314 --> 00:48:06,583 about a woman and a possible stunning deception. 860 00:48:06,683 --> 00:48:09,286 No World Trade Center job, no fianc�, 861 00:48:09,386 --> 00:48:10,420 no dramatic escape. 862 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:11,622 Merrill Lynch, 863 00:48:12,823 --> 00:48:13,590 the financial management company where she claimed to work, 864 00:48:13,690 --> 00:48:15,359 had no record of her employment. 865 00:48:15,459 --> 00:48:16,793 I was shocked, you know. 866 00:48:16,894 --> 00:48:18,695 I couldn't believe it. What happened here? 867 00:48:18,795 --> 00:48:20,097 Why, why did she do this, 868 00:48:20,197 --> 00:48:22,065 and why did none of us question her? 869 00:48:22,165 --> 00:48:23,100 There was no evidence 870 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:24,635 that she made money off her story, 871 00:48:24,735 --> 00:48:26,069 but she certainly gained fame. 872 00:48:26,169 --> 00:48:27,804 Can we talk to you for a minute, please? 873 00:48:27,904 --> 00:48:29,640 Head has now been removed as president 874 00:48:29,740 --> 00:48:33,577 of a 2,000 member organization of Trade Center survivors. 875 00:48:33,677 --> 00:48:35,412 The person that we saw 876 00:48:35,512 --> 00:48:37,681 and that we believed in never existed. 877 00:48:37,781 --> 00:48:40,817 This was totally shocking, totally shocking, 878 00:48:40,917 --> 00:48:41,451 because of all the things I would 879 00:48:42,085 --> 00:48:42,653 ever think about somebody, 880 00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:44,855 that's just not something that I would think about. 881 00:48:44,955 --> 00:48:46,990 You're looking at everyone with suspicion. 882 00:48:47,090 --> 00:48:56,133 If Tania can lie... anybody could lie. 883 00:48:56,233 --> 00:48:58,702 Perhaps she's evil. 884 00:48:58,802 --> 00:49:00,470 Perhaps there's some thread of evil in there. 885 00:49:00,570 --> 00:49:01,872 I don't know. 886 00:49:01,972 --> 00:49:04,274 Evil is not a word that ever existed in my life 887 00:49:04,374 --> 00:49:07,778 until September 11th, but I know evil exists, 888 00:49:07,878 --> 00:49:09,746 and it is possible. 889 00:49:13,450 --> 00:49:17,621 Tania was my sign that God was there that day. 890 00:49:17,721 --> 00:49:21,258 I felt like God had protected her. 891 00:49:21,358 --> 00:49:23,994 Well, God's gonna protect me also because 892 00:49:24,094 --> 00:49:26,129 she beat the odds that day. 893 00:49:26,229 --> 00:49:28,665 She beat all the odds that day. 894 00:49:28,765 --> 00:49:30,467 So, to have that taken away from me, 895 00:49:30,567 --> 00:49:39,009 the sign that God was there that day... 896 00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:44,815 ...there's a, there's nothing that she could ever say 897 00:49:44,915 --> 00:49:49,720 to me today or going forward that will ever change the pain 898 00:49:49,820 --> 00:49:55,158 and the anger, and I'm sorry, but the hatred that I have 899 00:49:55,258 --> 00:49:58,662 for that woman right now. 900 00:49:58,762 --> 00:50:01,531 I don't have any room in my heart to find sadness for her. 901 00:50:01,631 --> 00:50:05,502 What she did to me, what she did to the 9/11 community, 902 00:50:05,602 --> 00:50:09,272 and what she has done to the families, 903 00:50:09,373 --> 00:50:11,742 I want answers. I want to know. 904 00:50:11,842 --> 00:50:21,785 I wanna know who she is. I need to find that out. 905 00:50:21,885 --> 00:50:25,822 I wanna know who she is. I need to find that out. 906 00:51:55,545 --> 00:51:58,348 She didn't hurt anyone physically. 907 00:51:58,448 --> 00:52:00,650 She didn't sign any documents. 908 00:52:00,750 --> 00:52:05,956 She did not do anything what we would say is illegal. 909 00:52:06,056 --> 00:52:07,824 It is true that Tania never stole 910 00:52:07,924 --> 00:52:10,760 any money from the, she never made any money 911 00:52:10,861 --> 00:52:12,195 from this involvement. 912 00:52:12,295 --> 00:52:14,898 I don't think money was what her objective was, frankly. 913 00:52:14,998 --> 00:52:17,767 Why she's done this has been, 914 00:52:17,868 --> 00:52:20,136 everybody wonders that. 915 00:52:20,237 --> 00:52:22,472 Myself, I don't know. 916 00:52:22,572 --> 00:52:23,406 I think after 9/11, 917 00:52:23,507 --> 00:52:26,343 we all wanted to have a piece of it. 918 00:52:26,443 --> 00:52:28,378 I mean, I think if we're being honest with ourselves, 919 00:52:28,478 --> 00:52:32,215 there was a really human, strong desire to, 920 00:52:32,315 --> 00:52:36,853 to not only give back and try to help 921 00:52:36,953 --> 00:52:41,725 but also to connect to it in some fundamental way. 922 00:52:41,825 --> 00:52:43,126 Well, I think a lot of people used 9/11 923 00:52:43,226 --> 00:52:44,261 to heal themselves. 924 00:52:44,361 --> 00:52:46,897 I mean, I think 9/11 became, oddly, 925 00:52:46,997 --> 00:52:49,599 a religion for some people, you know. 926 00:52:49,699 --> 00:52:51,301 It was a way to belong. 927 00:52:51,401 --> 00:52:54,938 It was a way to be part of something bigger than themselves. 928 00:52:55,038 --> 00:53:00,010 For some people who need either some kind 929 00:53:00,110 --> 00:53:05,182 of identity or some kind of notoriety or visibility, 930 00:53:05,282 --> 00:53:08,318 this became a way, in Tania's case, I would guess, 931 00:53:08,418 --> 00:53:11,788 I don't know for sure, but for her to feel needed. 932 00:53:11,888 --> 00:53:13,657 I think, you know, my, my friends 933 00:53:13,757 --> 00:53:16,860 who are widows were like, "Why would she wanna be us?" 934 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,729 You know, "Why would you want to be us?" 935 00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:23,366 And, you know, having known what we've suffered, 936 00:53:23,466 --> 00:53:25,569 it, you know, that was to all of us 937 00:53:25,669 --> 00:53:30,540 a very normal response to have. 938 00:55:23,353 --> 00:55:28,858 Alicia Esteve Head. 939 00:55:31,661 --> 00:55:32,829 You know, when I think about what Tania 940 00:55:32,929 --> 00:55:36,633 was doing on 9/11, 2001, 941 00:55:36,733 --> 00:55:40,904 she probably was just having a regular day in Barcelona, 942 00:55:41,004 --> 00:55:43,173 you know, getting up like everyone else. 943 00:55:43,273 --> 00:55:45,341 You know, someone made some form of an announcement 944 00:55:45,442 --> 00:55:48,945 that there's a terrorist attack going on in Manhattan. 945 00:55:52,482 --> 00:55:54,317 From what I can tell, she had never been 946 00:55:54,417 --> 00:55:57,587 in the World Trade Center. 947 00:55:57,687 --> 00:55:59,589 It's obvious she did her research on Dave, 948 00:55:59,689 --> 00:56:02,358 whom she had never met. 949 00:56:02,459 --> 00:56:05,195 I mean, she knows where her company was located. 950 00:56:05,295 --> 00:56:09,866 So, she probably did her research on us. 951 00:56:09,966 --> 00:56:12,602 She was probably just watching us and trying to see 952 00:56:12,702 --> 00:56:14,771 what we were talking about and how we felt, 953 00:56:14,871 --> 00:56:17,574 and she adopted the personality. 954 00:56:17,674 --> 00:56:20,243 You know, she knew how survivors felt 955 00:56:20,343 --> 00:56:21,878 after going through something like that, 956 00:56:21,978 --> 00:56:23,847 and she became one of us. 957 00:56:32,522 --> 00:56:33,590 We didn't know much about 958 00:56:33,690 --> 00:56:36,993 her present life at the time. 959 00:56:37,093 --> 00:56:40,363 It would have been actually cruel 960 00:56:40,463 --> 00:56:45,635 for any one of us to question her on anything. 961 00:56:45,735 --> 00:56:48,271 It would have been downright cruel. 962 00:56:51,808 --> 00:56:53,610 I mean, she mentions working for Merrill Lynch 963 00:56:53,710 --> 00:56:57,313 and in this financial think tank that she told us about, 964 00:56:57,413 --> 00:56:59,649 but we had never been to her office. 965 00:56:59,749 --> 00:57:01,918 We had never met any of her co-workers, 966 00:57:02,018 --> 00:57:03,253 and from what I understand, 967 00:57:03,353 --> 00:57:07,090 she would actually rent office space to meet people, 968 00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:09,192 and nobody ever questioned it. 969 00:57:14,197 --> 00:57:15,865 Tania, to give her a compliment, 970 00:57:15,965 --> 00:57:18,601 she's the best liar I've ever met. 971 00:57:18,701 --> 00:57:22,238 I mean, she was so good at staying on her story 972 00:57:22,338 --> 00:57:25,441 that I really didn't notice any inconsistencies 973 00:57:25,542 --> 00:57:28,144 until I knew her for a couple of years. 974 00:57:28,244 --> 00:57:31,981 Had we actually compared notes like we do now, 975 00:57:32,081 --> 00:57:35,318 we would have realized something was wrong. 976 00:57:35,418 --> 00:57:38,855 She told me that she lost her wedding ring in, 977 00:57:38,955 --> 00:57:41,791 on September 11th and that Tiffany's had replaced 978 00:57:41,891 --> 00:57:44,127 the wedding ring that she had lost. 979 00:57:44,227 --> 00:57:45,995 There were references to her fianc� 980 00:57:46,095 --> 00:57:49,899 that, that changed from fianc� to husband back to fianc�. 981 00:57:49,999 --> 00:57:53,236 She even promised the Crowthers that she 982 00:57:53,336 --> 00:57:56,339 had saved a piece of her burnt clothing and would put it 983 00:57:56,439 --> 00:57:58,208 in a plaque and give it to them. 984 00:57:58,308 --> 00:58:00,543 She told me on the day that her brother died 985 00:58:00,643 --> 00:58:04,781 that his wife had a baby on the same day, 986 00:58:04,881 --> 00:58:07,016 and they named the baby, Dave. 987 00:58:26,970 --> 00:58:31,741 I remember I was in her apartment one time, 988 00:58:31,841 --> 00:58:34,677 and she always talked about her dog, Elvis, 989 00:58:34,777 --> 00:58:37,280 and her dog, Elvis, and her old dog, Elvis. 990 00:58:37,380 --> 00:58:39,949 And one of the times that I was in her apartment, I said, 991 00:58:40,049 --> 00:58:43,820 "Where's your dog? I never see your dog". 992 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,290 And she would always have the same answer. 993 00:58:47,390 --> 00:58:51,728 "Uh, Lupe is walking him". 994 00:58:51,828 --> 00:58:53,162 And I remember one day I said, 995 00:58:53,263 --> 00:58:56,699 "Boy, that dog gets walked a lot. 996 00:58:56,799 --> 00:58:58,101 That's the most walked dog. 997 00:58:58,201 --> 00:59:00,203 I mean, that dog must love Lupe 998 00:59:00,303 --> 00:59:02,972 because she's always walking him". 999 00:59:03,072 --> 00:59:05,108 But one day, I went into the apartment, 1000 00:59:05,208 --> 00:59:09,145 and I asked her, "Where's, where's your dog? 1001 00:59:09,245 --> 00:59:10,280 I wanna see your dog". 1002 00:59:10,380 --> 00:59:12,515 And she said, "Oh, you know, Lupe's walking him". 1003 00:59:12,615 --> 00:59:15,084 And I said, 1004 00:59:15,184 --> 00:59:19,122 "Tania, do you or don't you have a dog?" 1005 00:59:19,222 --> 00:59:22,058 I got right in her face because it bothered me 1006 00:59:22,158 --> 00:59:23,493 that I couldn't, I love dogs, 1007 00:59:23,593 --> 00:59:26,229 so, it bothered me that I couldn't see the dog. 1008 00:59:26,329 --> 00:59:27,931 And she just looked at me and went, 1009 00:59:28,031 --> 00:59:31,801 "Oh, yeah, of course I have a dog". 1010 01:00:02,365 --> 01:00:05,335 After The Times article, she disappeared, 1011 01:00:05,435 --> 01:00:07,604 and I don't know if it's because she actually 1012 01:00:07,704 --> 01:00:11,507 just left the country or if she's just been hiding well, 1013 01:00:11,607 --> 01:00:13,943 but really, none of us have had any contact 1014 01:00:14,043 --> 01:00:15,378 with her since then. 1015 01:00:15,478 --> 01:00:17,013 The other thing she did was she wrote me an email 1016 01:00:17,113 --> 01:00:21,617 and said, "Hello". That's it. 1017 01:00:21,718 --> 01:00:26,956 I saw that as her way of opening up a line of communication. 1018 01:00:27,056 --> 01:00:36,466 I just deleted the email, and that was it. 1019 01:00:36,566 --> 01:00:41,371 There had to be some sort of recognition 1020 01:00:41,471 --> 01:00:43,673 that she was doing something wrong, 1021 01:00:43,773 --> 01:00:51,547 and... and she was deviant in, in, in that way, 1022 01:00:51,647 --> 01:00:54,851 but that is only something that we see now. 1023 01:00:54,951 --> 01:00:56,986 That's something that we couldn't see then. 1024 01:01:09,132 --> 01:01:10,400 Go across the street. 1025 01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:11,834 Right over here at this light. 1026 01:01:13,269 --> 01:01:13,336 See those two ladies with the two orange hats? 1027 01:01:13,736 --> 01:01:14,570 Yes. 1028 01:01:15,805 --> 01:01:15,838 You're gonna tell them you're family, 1029 01:01:16,406 --> 01:01:16,439 family members, right? 1030 01:01:17,373 --> 01:01:17,573 Well, we're actually all survivors, 1031 01:01:18,141 --> 01:01:19,442 let me tell you, yeah. 1032 01:01:19,542 --> 01:01:20,576 So, you let them know, 1033 01:01:20,676 --> 01:01:22,011 and they'll let you in so you can go inside, 1034 01:01:22,111 --> 01:01:22,612 all right, ma'am? 1035 01:01:22,712 --> 01:01:23,713 Thank you. 1036 01:01:23,813 --> 01:01:26,315 So, follow me, guys. 1037 01:01:26,416 --> 01:01:28,985 No pushing, no shoving. 1038 01:01:34,824 --> 01:01:36,459 I just hope that she really does get 1039 01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:39,328 the help she needs and that she can live a full life. 1040 01:01:39,429 --> 01:01:40,663 She's a smart woman. 1041 01:01:40,763 --> 01:01:42,965 She's talented, and she can offer 1042 01:01:43,066 --> 01:01:45,334 a lot of great stuff in this world. 1043 01:01:45,435 --> 01:01:46,736 So, forgiveness, yeah. 1044 01:01:46,836 --> 01:01:49,105 This, there, I absolutely forgive her. 1045 01:01:49,205 --> 01:01:54,277 I know we should forgive, but I don't know. 1046 01:01:54,377 --> 01:01:56,145 It, it would really take a lot. 1047 01:01:56,245 --> 01:01:58,481 I don't think I could ever do it. 1048 01:01:58,581 --> 01:02:02,218 I just, I just feel that hurt, that wronged. 1049 01:02:07,890 --> 01:02:09,525 She was a troubled person. 1050 01:02:09,625 --> 01:02:12,328 There were issues that drove her to do this. 1051 01:02:12,428 --> 01:02:18,534 And because she was not functioning in a normal way, 1052 01:02:18,634 --> 01:02:22,105 how can you hold, you know, not forgive someone like that? 1053 01:02:26,442 --> 01:02:29,512 She's never apologized. 1054 01:02:29,612 --> 01:02:32,448 This is all a great mystery, and it's, it is what it is, 1055 01:02:32,548 --> 01:02:36,919 and, and it's not gonna affect my life any longer. 1056 01:02:37,019 --> 01:02:41,891 I've already forgiven her. 1057 01:02:41,991 --> 01:02:48,264 Holding onto all the feelings that I had 1058 01:02:48,364 --> 01:02:51,601 once I found out that she had lied to us is 1059 01:02:51,701 --> 01:02:57,073 not gonna take me anywhere where I wanna go. 1060 01:02:57,173 --> 01:02:59,976 We'll get through it. You know that? 1061 01:03:00,076 --> 01:03:05,548 We'll get through it. You know that. 1062 01:03:05,648 --> 01:03:06,516 All the things that I was doing this year 1063 01:03:06,616 --> 01:03:09,619 putting this together, I was thinking, 1064 01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:11,687 "Where's Tania when you need her?" 1065 01:03:11,787 --> 01:03:12,922 You know what I mean? 1066 01:03:14,157 --> 01:03:16,359 And it just made me feel even more upset because I'm like, 1067 01:03:16,459 --> 01:03:23,833 "I miss her". I really, I miss her. 1068 01:03:23,933 --> 01:03:26,335 You know, I miss it like I miss life 1069 01:03:26,435 --> 01:03:27,436 back on September 10th. 1070 01:03:27,537 --> 01:03:28,971 I miss, I miss that. 1071 01:03:29,071 --> 01:03:32,108 I miss, I miss the what was. 1072 01:03:32,208 --> 01:03:36,512 I miss the what could have been. 1073 01:03:36,612 --> 01:03:38,981 That's what I miss. 84554

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