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Just before 8:30,
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I got a phone call, and it was
Dave,
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and he said that that he just
wanted to go
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and get some coffee,
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and he asked me if I wanted to
meet him,
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and... I said that I was
just about to go into the,
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into a meeting, and that I
couldn't, I couldn't do it,
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and I said, "I love you and talk
to you later".
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And that was the last time I
ever spoke to him.
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It was amazing, and
you know,
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it was that kind of crazy love
story where we would finish
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each other's sentences...
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We were so alike,
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like but some people say
opposites attract,
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but for me, it was different.
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It was like he and I were almost
the same person.
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Sometimes he was
explosive, but it was,
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it was definitely a love story.
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That day, I didn't
just lose Dave.
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I lost myself.
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How are you?
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I get hot when
they do this.
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We have like...
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I don't know, eight? Eight left?
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It's the morning of
September 11th,
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and we're all gonna go to the
official ceremony at the site,
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and we hope to make it there by
the first moment of silence at 8:46.
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It's one of the hardest
experiences of my life
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to go down that ramp every
anniversary,
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but I do it for Dave because I,
I knew he,
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he wants me to be there, but let
me show you something.
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Dave and I met outside the World
Trade Center
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when he stole my cab.
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So, every year when I go to the
site,
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I bring a New York City cab with
me,
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and I put it in the reflection
pool
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so that he knows that I remember
that day.
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Some of my
co-workers had families,
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they that had little kids, and
they died, and I didn't.
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So, why?
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Why? Why am I special? Why, why
was I spared?
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Why didn't they make it? Why
was, why did I make it?
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Was it God? Was it faith?
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Was it because we have something
to do?
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Was it because we were sheltered
by the elevator machinery?
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It just makes you go crazy.
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You go crazy asking yourself
why, why, why?
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People kept saying how
blessed I was,
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and I didn't feel blessed at
all.
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I felt like it was a curse.
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Survivor guilt made me feel
that,
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made me actually go from the
question,
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"Why did I survive?"
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to "Why did I have to survive?"
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I don't know how
to describe it.
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It, it's sort of a pain in my,
in my, my, gut, you know,
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and I remember actually doubling
over realizing,
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"Oh, my God, those three people
were all on my side,
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and I didn't get them out".
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It's so hard to get
past being alive
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when all these people aren't,
and I've had people say to me,
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you know, "Oh, you're so lucky.
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You got out of there. You must
feel great".
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You don't.
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I woke up thinking about 9/11,
went to bed thinking about it,
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dreamed about it, just couldn't
get out of it.
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I mean, I just kept replaying
that day over and over
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and over again.
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Before I met Tania, I had talked
to, you know,
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a couple of professional people,
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and it really wasn't helping me.
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I searched online,
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and I joined the support group
that they had for survivors.
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We started as an
online peer support group
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where you could go into a Yahoo
group
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and connect to other survivors
24 hours a day.
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So, one day, you were having a
bad day,
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and you would post it online,
and within 30 minutes,
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you'd get 40 replies of people
saying,
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"I know what you feel," you
know.
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"It's okay to have those
feelings.
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I'm here for you.
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Just call me. Anything you
need".
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Many people were having
economic problems,
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health problems, just a lot of
that sense of parallel reality
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that people were heavily living
through, and I think,
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to a large degree, still do, and
I think it was just,
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just being with other people
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and talking about this stuff
helped.
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I had many
conversations with Tania,
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just one-on-one conversations,
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but she gave me a lot of support
like nobody else had.
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I admired her from the
very beginning
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how strong she seemed, and at
the same time,
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once I started to get to know
her,
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then I realized this whole
strength thing that she shows
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is really a facade.
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She's really in pain.
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She's, she was, she seemed to be
really in pain...
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and really, really distraught,
and, and I, and I said,
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"Well, of course.
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How could she not be?"
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When I first heard
Tania's story,
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she did not talk about it much,
and then one day,
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she just wrote it out in its
entirety,
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and it blew me away.
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I mean, you know, we had all
been through horrible things,
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but Tania's was just, just head
and shoulders
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above anything else that any of
us had gone through.
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I started seeing
these flames, and I was like,
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"Something's happening in the
other tower".
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And I started thinking about
Dave right away.
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I, the first thing I did was
starting to count floors
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down from, from the top.
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He was on the hundredth floor,
and I was like,
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"Oh, my God, his floor is one of
the floors that has been hit".
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A woman started screaming,
"There's another plane coming.
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There's another plane coming".
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The first thing I felt was,
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was the, the air was sucked out
of my lungs like a,
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like a change in pressure.
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I, then I was flying.
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I was flying through the air
from the impact.
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I was just flying.
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I remember very well the pain of
hitting the wall,
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the marble wall, and then I,
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then I remember the warmth from,
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from the explosion, and then I
passed out.
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My back was, was on fire and my
arm, and I was,
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I was smelling my own skin
burning.
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I remember Welles Crowder, the
man with the red bandanna.
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He had some type of cloth,
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and I felt him use that to, to
put the flames out,
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and um, he hugged me, and he
said...
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"Just stay awake. Stay awake.
Help is coming".
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I was, I was in the hospital
until Thanksgiving,
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November, 2001, and my back was
really burned
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and my arm was burned and I
couldn't walk.
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So, I was in a wheelchair.
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I couldn't even pull myself on
the wheelchair
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because I only had one good arm.
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So, you know, between the
wheelchair, the trauma,
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the loss, I didn't know where
to start.
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It was just too hard.
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It was like looking at a
mountain
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that was 20,000 feet tall.
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My story was so
insignificant
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to what she went through that my
first reaction
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writing to her was, "That's
horrible,"
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and, "I don't belong in this
group,"
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and a lot of people wrote that,
and she was very supportive,
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saying, "No, you do.
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You know, what we all went
through was equally important".
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She was fabulous.
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Here's this person who went
through so much
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that who in the world could
possibly survive this,
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yet she's a survivor.
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Here she is. She's a survivor!
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I think you find
that by talking to other people
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and helping others, getting
involved,
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it helps carry your own burden,
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and I think that's how you mask
it.
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You, you kind of, um hide your
pain
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by getting involved helping
others.
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I became aware of
Tania,
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and I was very curious as to how
she got through all that.
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It was a story that pulled you
in, obviously.
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But I did notice that her arm
was, looked like it had been,
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I don't know, it almost looked
like skin grafts
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on her right arm,
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and I remember thinking that it
didn't look like
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it had been burned.
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I had felt mad at
myself for even thinking
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that there was something amiss,
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but I often wonder why I was
even asking the question.
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I first
encountered Tania Head
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on the Internet group.
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We began having an email
conversation,
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and she shared her story with
me,
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and I shared my story with her,
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which is kind of normal for
survivors to do.
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I was struck by how dramatic her
story was.
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It was pervasive.
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It was this idea of this person
who had gone through so much,
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and, and people try to protect
her a lot,
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and I think I probably had a
protective feeling
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right from the start.
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I had met Gerry
Bogacz,
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and Gerry was also meeting with
survivors.
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He had started having dinner
with people in his office
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who were interested in meeting
and discussing
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their September 11th experience.
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I had the idea for
the Survivors' Network because,
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again, I had this feeling of
having a hole I needed to fill
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about 9/11 in me.
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I suggested that she come to a
meeting
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of the Survivors' Network as a
way of bringing,
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bringing these two groups
together,
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and that was the first time I
had met her in person.
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We ended up going
for coffee that same day,
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and we started to unite forces,
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and we formed the World Trade
Center Survivors' Network.
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I was driven. I'd been working
non-stop.
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I'd been working at my work,
for, for my work.
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I'd been working for the
Survivors' Network, for the,
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for Dave's foundation, for the
widows' group.
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I mean, I had just been working
24 hours a day
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non-stop for different things,
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and that's how my anger was
channeled
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because of this obsession that I
had to,
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to really not be like the
hijackers.
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I think Tania's
presence
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made the docent program that we
had envisioned possible.
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Her story kind of fit into that
kind of all-encompassing
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survivor and a hero and, you
know, a widow
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and everything that kind of 9/11
came to represent on that day.
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So, her story was incredible.
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I would call
her just an energetic booster
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for the needs of the survivor
community.
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She genuinely wanted recognition
for the Survivor Network
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and the survivor community to
recognize not only
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what they had gone through and
attest to that,
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but to provide a venue for them
to feel like this is theirs.
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And from there, I
started going down on my own.
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I've seen Sting, because I love
Sting.
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We didn't have
access to the site,
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so that initial ability to
actually go into the site was,
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was a very powerful experience,
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and it was very much appreciated
that Tania
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was able to make those
arrangements.
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It was amazing that she
survived.
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So, you were just thankful, you
know, to look at her
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and see people recover and heal
234
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and do amazing stuff with their
life.
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She had a tremendous
sense of humor
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and laughed a lot
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and always wanted to plan
another event
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and do important things,
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and one couldn't help but be
drawn into that.
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Tania, you did a
great job.
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Thank you.
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Are you
comfortable?
243
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Hey Tania? Walk, walk...
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I think these reporters
are waiting for you.
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No.
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You don't,
don't have to.
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After we finished the
tour,
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we were getting ready to leave,
249
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and a group of reporters came
towards Tania.
250
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They wanted to get an interview.
251
00:15:33,565 --> 00:15:36,035
Tania started having a lot of
anxiety.
252
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She was like out of control...
253
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...and actually led up to a
full-blown panic attack.
254
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Just go, walk quick, Tania, walk quick.
255
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Okay.
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Like totally breaking
down, crying,
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shaking, and I had to tell the
reporters to leave her alone,
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and I had to get her out of
there.
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If you don't
wanna talk, we don't talk.
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One day I came home
from work,
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and what I found was rose petals
leading from the door
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to our dining room, and I
followed the rose petals,
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and I found Dave standing there
264
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with a coconut bra and a grass
skirt,
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dancing to Hawaiian songs, and I
was like, "Oh, my God".
266
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And he had, even cooked this
really disgusting Hawaiian food,
267
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recipes that he had found on the
internet.
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and on the dining table were
two,
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were two tickets to Hawaii
leaving the next day.
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He'd planned this whole
amazing trip
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because she was busy working,
and he wanted to take her away
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and had her measurements sent
and made her this beautiful,
273
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white dress, and her parents
came from California over there
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to witness the ceremony.
275
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It wasn't a, a, a legal
ceremony.
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It was like a just a ceremony of
a wedding.
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I walked outside,
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and there were these four huge
Hawaiian warriors with torches
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waiting for me outside, and
they, I'm like,
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"What's going on?"
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And they're like, "No, we're
escorting you down the,
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down the garden aisle".
283
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And I go I'm like, "Okay".
284
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So, I followed them, and we went
all the way to the beach,
285
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and there was Dave standing in
the middle
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of a circle of orchids.
287
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And the next morning,
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we started calling all our
friends and families,
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telling them we had gotten
Maui-ed,
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not married but Maui-ed.
291
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Whenever she talked
about Dave,
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she never showed any pictures or
anything.
293
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We never met Dave's family.
294
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So, the thought crossed my mind,
295
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"What if she's one of these
people
296
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who just never tells the truth,
297
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and she just made everything
up?"
298
00:18:00,746 --> 00:18:02,781
You know, the, the thought
crossed my mind,
299
00:18:02,881 --> 00:18:05,417
but I didn't think it was
possible.
300
00:18:05,517 --> 00:18:08,287
So, what I did was, I was about
to go to bed that night,
301
00:18:08,387 --> 00:18:09,321
and I figured, "You know what?
302
00:18:09,421 --> 00:18:11,523
Let me just look online,
303
00:18:11,623 --> 00:18:13,559
do a little research on part of
her story,
304
00:18:13,659 --> 00:18:15,694
make sure there was a connection
and see the story's true,
305
00:18:15,794 --> 00:18:17,696
go to bed".
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And he existed.
307
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He was where she said he was,
and, you know,
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he died on that day.
309
00:18:27,072 --> 00:18:30,909
There were a lot of newspaper
articles, message boards.
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He's a very popular guy,
311
00:18:32,911 --> 00:18:35,814
but there was one thing that
wasn't there,
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any mention of Tania anywhere.
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No mention of a fianc�, no
mention of the trip to Hawaii
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that she talked about the month
before,
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I mean, just no mention of
anything that she said.
316
00:20:18,183 --> 00:20:23,422
She was in love with American
people and the United States.
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Okay, come on.
318
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Come on.
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You're a good boy.
320
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Yes, you are a good boy, and you
love your cookies,
321
00:20:43,275 --> 00:20:46,345
and it shows.
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Bang.
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Okay.
324
00:20:50,649 --> 00:20:53,652
That's not totally dead, but.
325
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Well, he's been wearing a red
bandanna
326
00:20:55,287 --> 00:20:57,889
since we've had him, really.
327
00:20:57,990 --> 00:21:02,027
When we lost Welles, we put it
on him,
328
00:21:02,127 --> 00:21:04,396
and he's always wear, worn, worn
one.
329
00:21:04,496 --> 00:21:06,732
Yes, you have. Yes, you have.
330
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You're a good boy.
331
00:21:07,666 --> 00:21:09,368
I first heard the name Tania
Head
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when a friend of ours who we'd
gotten to know,
333
00:21:12,704 --> 00:21:16,608
a very lovely woman who
volunteers down at Ground Zero,
334
00:21:16,708 --> 00:21:20,712
called me and said, "Alison, I
think I've,
335
00:21:20,812 --> 00:21:22,247
I've, I've, I've met someone,
336
00:21:22,347 --> 00:21:24,850
I've heard of someone else who
Welles saved.
337
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:27,219
This woman at Ground Zero was
leading the tour,
338
00:21:27,319 --> 00:21:29,888
and she started sharing a story
about how
339
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the Man in the Red Bandanna
saved her.
340
00:21:32,357 --> 00:21:33,859
I said, "Oh, oh, that's
wonderful.
341
00:21:33,959 --> 00:21:36,461
You know, we would love to, to
meet her".
342
00:21:36,561 --> 00:21:38,730
Tania, I remember the
first time we talked about it.
343
00:21:38,830 --> 00:21:40,999
I asked her, "Do you know that
guy with the red bandanna
344
00:21:41,099 --> 00:21:42,801
that they were talking about?"
345
00:21:42,901 --> 00:21:44,936
And she said, "Yeah, he saved my
life".
346
00:21:45,037 --> 00:21:46,271
And then she
came to me, and she said,
347
00:21:46,371 --> 00:21:48,707
"Well, she's a little reluctant
to meet with you.
348
00:21:48,807 --> 00:21:51,476
She's had some unfortunate
experiences with other families
349
00:21:51,576 --> 00:21:54,746
being very angry that she
survived
350
00:21:54,846 --> 00:21:57,115
and their loved ones didn't,
351
00:21:57,215 --> 00:21:59,718
and she would like to meet with
you but very privately.
352
00:21:59,818 --> 00:22:01,620
It has to be very privately".
353
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,255
I said, "Well, fine". You know,
"We'll meet.
354
00:22:03,355 --> 00:22:07,125
We're members of the Princeton
Club and have dinner there".
355
00:22:07,225 --> 00:22:10,495
She seemed very grateful, and we
were, you know, very pleased.
356
00:22:10,595 --> 00:22:11,830
It was a beautiful thing.
357
00:22:11,930 --> 00:22:15,934
We were, we were very moved that
she, she'd been saved,
358
00:22:16,034 --> 00:22:19,371
and, and obviously, it meant so
much to her.
359
00:22:19,471 --> 00:22:20,872
I find that family
members
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00:22:20,972 --> 00:22:23,942
of people who were killed, they
wanna know what happened,
361
00:22:24,042 --> 00:22:28,046
but I just, I just don't wanna
put those images
362
00:22:28,146 --> 00:22:29,748
into their, their heads.
363
00:22:29,848 --> 00:22:31,183
They don't, they don't, they
don't have to know.
364
00:22:31,283 --> 00:22:33,919
They don't have to know how
their loved ones died.
365
00:22:34,019 --> 00:22:37,522
I think it's, it's better if, if
they just don't know
366
00:22:37,622 --> 00:22:43,061
because I saw so much suffering
on that floor to the,
367
00:22:43,161 --> 00:22:47,365
to the degree where it's just,
it's just something that I,
368
00:22:47,466 --> 00:22:48,734
I don't wanna share with anyone.
369
00:22:48,834 --> 00:22:52,804
I'm just kind of been keeping it
to myself.
370
00:22:52,904 --> 00:22:55,741
It's, it's a secret that you
carry with you, it's, and,
371
00:22:55,841 --> 00:22:57,776
and it becomes a burden because
you can't really share
372
00:22:57,876 --> 00:22:59,811
with a lot of people out there.
373
00:22:59,911 --> 00:23:03,648
Who, who wants to, who wants to
talk about body parts
374
00:23:03,749 --> 00:23:05,050
and blood and carnage?
375
00:23:05,150 --> 00:23:06,618
There's nobod...
376
00:23:06,718 --> 00:23:09,087
there's not that many people you
can talk to about that.
377
00:23:16,595 --> 00:23:17,829
My head was covered.
378
00:23:17,929 --> 00:23:19,931
But when the second plane
crashed,
379
00:23:20,031 --> 00:23:23,401
I had to run for my life.
380
00:23:26,037 --> 00:23:29,141
Okay, this was tower
number two, the South Tower,
381
00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:30,709
the second tower to get hit.
382
00:23:30,809 --> 00:23:34,012
They were 110 stories each.
383
00:23:34,112 --> 00:23:37,215
They were so tall that sometimes
the people
384
00:23:37,315 --> 00:23:39,351
who came into work that worked
on the upper floors
385
00:23:39,451 --> 00:23:41,920
looked down at the clouds.
386
00:23:42,020 --> 00:23:43,555
This is one of the most
important things that I do
387
00:23:43,655 --> 00:23:44,823
with my life.
388
00:23:44,923 --> 00:23:47,726
I'm a survivor from September
11th,
389
00:23:47,826 --> 00:23:50,629
and I finally found a purpose.
390
00:23:50,729 --> 00:23:52,664
I know why I'm here,
391
00:23:52,764 --> 00:23:54,800
and it's to talk to people like
you that come
392
00:23:54,900 --> 00:23:56,134
and wanna hear our stories.
393
00:23:56,234 --> 00:23:58,103
So, that's very important to me.
394
00:23:58,203 --> 00:23:59,437
This is Tania.
395
00:23:59,538 --> 00:24:02,007
Tania's also a survivor.
396
00:24:02,107 --> 00:24:04,342
She's also Spanish speaking.
397
00:24:04,442 --> 00:24:06,144
So, she has offered to help.
398
00:24:08,113 --> 00:24:09,514
Okay.
399
00:24:09,614 --> 00:24:10,582
She's also a survivor,
400
00:24:10,682 --> 00:24:13,385
and she's also one of my best
friends.
401
00:24:13,485 --> 00:24:14,820
I met Tania...
402
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,289
Tania and Linda were
like sisters.
403
00:24:17,389 --> 00:24:20,225
They just, every time we had any
kind of event,
404
00:24:20,325 --> 00:24:23,094
whether it was, you know, like
an official meeting
405
00:24:23,195 --> 00:24:24,696
or any time we went out
socially,
406
00:24:24,796 --> 00:24:26,531
those two were always together.
407
00:24:26,631 --> 00:24:27,098
Let's show him what
regular people
408
00:24:27,199 --> 00:24:28,300
at the U.S. Open do.
409
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:29,067
You ready?
410
00:24:29,167 --> 00:24:31,770
Yeah.
411
00:24:31,870 --> 00:24:33,104
Let's show him now what
survivors
412
00:24:33,205 --> 00:24:36,608
do when they go to the U.S.
Open.
413
00:24:36,708 --> 00:24:37,476
Checking out for
planes
414
00:24:37,576 --> 00:24:38,743
taking off from LaGuardia.
415
00:24:38,844 --> 00:24:39,511
We're watching the planes
take off from LaGuardia.
416
00:24:41,546 --> 00:24:42,714
That's good.
417
00:24:45,584 --> 00:24:47,986
Tania taught me how to
live life with grace,
418
00:24:48,086 --> 00:24:53,992
with courage, with the strength
to overcome, to me,
419
00:24:54,092 --> 00:24:55,861
some of the scariest things that
I've ever faced
420
00:24:55,961 --> 00:24:57,929
in my entire life.
421
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,969
I don't wanna live my
life based on
422
00:25:04,069 --> 00:25:05,470
what happened to me.
423
00:25:05,570 --> 00:25:08,206
I wanna live my life like
Tania's living her life,
424
00:25:08,306 --> 00:25:12,010
like going out and helping other
people and doing something good
425
00:25:12,110 --> 00:25:15,046
with my really horrible
experience.
426
00:25:34,599 --> 00:25:36,601
We had a very
beautiful bronze sculpture
427
00:25:36,701 --> 00:25:40,605
of a phoenix bird rising from
the World Trade Center
428
00:25:40,705 --> 00:25:42,908
with our message that, you know,
good will prevail,
429
00:25:43,008 --> 00:25:45,677
that, that good will rise from
the ashes like the phoenix
430
00:25:45,777 --> 00:25:48,680
and prevail.
431
00:25:48,780 --> 00:25:52,684
So, we were dedicating that
sculpture at church,
432
00:25:52,784 --> 00:25:55,921
and we invited Tania to come.
433
00:25:56,021 --> 00:25:59,624
Tania was
on that 78th Floor sky lobby,
434
00:25:59,724 --> 00:26:02,794
and she's here with us today,
thank God,
435
00:26:02,894 --> 00:26:07,499
and I'm gonna ask her now if she
would speak a little for you.
436
00:26:09,968 --> 00:26:13,038
I remember when we got to
his service,
437
00:26:13,138 --> 00:26:14,940
Tania was a nervous wreck.
438
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,174
She couldn't get up.
439
00:26:17,409 --> 00:26:18,610
She couldn't read the piece, and
she had asked me to read it.
440
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:21,713
When Alison and Jeff asked me to
speak today,
441
00:26:21,813 --> 00:26:26,284
I sat down staring at a blank
screen, and I cried,
442
00:26:26,384 --> 00:26:30,255
unable to find the words, the
right words to say.
443
00:26:30,355 --> 00:26:32,958
What exactly do you say to the
family of the man
444
00:26:33,058 --> 00:26:36,995
who saved your life and gave his
in the process?
445
00:26:37,095 --> 00:26:42,067
Welles was my hero, too, because
he saved Tania.
446
00:26:42,167 --> 00:26:44,602
And I found myself flying
through the air
447
00:26:44,703 --> 00:26:47,439
and I eventually crashed against
the marble wall.
448
00:26:47,539 --> 00:26:50,609
It was all part
of this beautiful service
449
00:26:50,709 --> 00:26:55,680
that was filled with love and
hope and just,
450
00:26:55,780 --> 00:27:01,052
we were so moved, really moved.
451
00:27:01,152 --> 00:27:03,021
Hey, Welles, I'm
prepared.
452
00:27:08,026 --> 00:27:09,027
I was almost
paralyzed.
453
00:27:10,128 --> 00:27:11,696
The things they were saying
about our son, Welles,
454
00:27:11,796 --> 00:27:13,465
were so beautiful and so
powerful,
455
00:27:13,565 --> 00:27:14,466
and they said over and over
again,
456
00:27:15,467 --> 00:27:19,371
"You have no idea, truly, what
your son faced".
457
00:27:19,471 --> 00:27:23,074
We believe that good, that the
good of the human spirit is
458
00:27:23,174 --> 00:27:33,051
far more powerful than the evil
that happened that day.
459
00:27:33,151 --> 00:27:34,719
Now that Dave is
gone,
460
00:27:34,819 --> 00:27:37,022
because we were gonna have that
wedding on October 12,
461
00:27:37,122 --> 00:27:39,624
we never really filed the
marriage certificate
462
00:27:39,724 --> 00:27:40,959
here in New York.
463
00:27:41,059 --> 00:27:44,462
So, in the eyes of the laws, we
weren't married.
464
00:27:44,562 --> 00:27:48,400
There was no need for us to file
it because we were gonna
465
00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:50,235
get married here October 12.
466
00:27:50,335 --> 00:27:53,304
So, when he died, that was a
huge problem for me,
467
00:27:53,405 --> 00:27:56,007
but I was able to solve that
with the help of a lawyer,
468
00:27:56,107 --> 00:28:00,612
and a judge... ended up
marrying us posthumously,
469
00:28:00,712 --> 00:28:03,915
which was the saddest thing in
the world to become a widow,
470
00:28:04,015 --> 00:28:08,853
you know, like that, but it's
strange.
471
00:28:15,727 --> 00:28:16,995
Tania, this year, was
very, very distant
472
00:28:17,095 --> 00:28:19,464
from all of us.
473
00:28:19,564 --> 00:28:29,007
And she had been in denial for
years about her husband dying.
474
00:28:29,107 --> 00:28:30,642
There was times when I
was concerned
475
00:28:30,742 --> 00:28:32,510
that she would hurt herself,
476
00:28:32,610 --> 00:28:35,580
maybe commit suicide because she
would sometimes say
477
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,482
that she wanted to die,
478
00:28:37,582 --> 00:28:39,584
and a couple of the other board
members and I
479
00:28:39,684 --> 00:28:40,585
would talk about that,
480
00:28:41,586 --> 00:28:43,154
and we were concerned at times
that she might
481
00:28:43,254 --> 00:28:44,956
take her own life.
482
00:28:45,056 --> 00:28:46,291
Tania was in the middle
of doing
483
00:28:46,391 --> 00:28:48,927
this very intensive therapy
called flooding
484
00:28:49,027 --> 00:28:51,096
to face Dave's death.
485
00:28:51,196 --> 00:28:53,998
You would tell your
story to a therapist,
486
00:28:54,099 --> 00:28:56,101
and you would record it,
487
00:28:56,201 --> 00:28:59,571
And you have to keep
reliving over and over again
488
00:28:59,671 --> 00:29:03,508
the experience of the tragic or
traumatic event
489
00:29:03,608 --> 00:29:06,344
that went through your life.
490
00:29:06,444 --> 00:29:10,682
She tape recorded her experience
from September 11th.
491
00:29:10,782 --> 00:29:11,616
I heard the engines.
492
00:29:11,716 --> 00:29:13,818
I saw people pray.
493
00:29:13,918 --> 00:29:15,320
You knew that you were gonna
die,
494
00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:17,789
and I was just praying, please
don't let this hurt.
495
00:29:17,889 --> 00:29:19,090
Please don't let this hurt.
496
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:19,958
I would be behind her,
497
00:29:20,058 --> 00:29:21,793
and she would start circling
around,
498
00:29:21,893 --> 00:29:24,028
and the tape would play, "Oh, my
God.
499
00:29:24,129 --> 00:29:25,730
Oh, my God, the plane is coming.
500
00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:28,766
The plane is coming," and it
would literally crash.
501
00:29:28,867 --> 00:29:30,502
And I could tell you, I could
visualize the stuff,
502
00:29:30,602 --> 00:29:32,504
listening to her talk about it.
503
00:29:37,542 --> 00:29:42,247
She would recount how her
assistant was decapitated,
504
00:29:42,347 --> 00:29:47,652
how everyone around her was, was
burnt.
505
00:29:47,752 --> 00:29:49,654
She told me that her arm was
completely severed,
506
00:29:49,754 --> 00:29:51,456
that there was just one little
piece of skin right here
507
00:29:51,556 --> 00:29:53,725
that where it was hanging off,
508
00:29:53,825 --> 00:29:55,827
and some man started tugging on
her arm,
509
00:29:55,927 --> 00:29:58,530
and she was screaming and crying
because she was afraid
510
00:29:58,630 --> 00:30:00,298
that this man was gonna pull her
arm off,
511
00:30:00,398 --> 00:30:02,333
and she told me that she took
her arm,
512
00:30:02,433 --> 00:30:04,402
and she tucked it into her coat
513
00:30:04,502 --> 00:30:07,105
to keep it from falling off her
body.
514
00:30:07,205 --> 00:30:09,107
And she'd start crying harder
and harder,
515
00:30:09,207 --> 00:30:10,909
and she would just, she'd be a
wreck,
516
00:30:11,009 --> 00:30:12,610
and I would be trying to hold
her up,
517
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:15,580
like I didn't know what to do. I
didn't know what to do.
518
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:16,648
Right now, even talking about
this,
519
00:30:16,748 --> 00:30:19,384
I get so worked up that I start
going
520
00:30:19,484 --> 00:30:20,985
into so much anxiety over this,
521
00:30:21,085 --> 00:30:24,989
but I did this for her because
she was gonna get better.
522
00:30:25,089 --> 00:30:26,758
The nightmares were so bad.
523
00:30:26,858 --> 00:30:29,093
In fact, they were worse.
524
00:30:29,194 --> 00:30:32,263
I started incorporating what she
had told me on the tape
525
00:30:32,363 --> 00:30:36,134
into my nightmares, and there
wasn't almost a night
526
00:30:36,234 --> 00:30:39,504
that I didn't have a building
collapsing on me.
527
00:30:39,604 --> 00:30:40,772
When I finally told her,
528
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,108
"Tania, I've got to stop doing
the flooding exercise with you,"
529
00:30:44,209 --> 00:30:46,945
she told me that I was a
horrible friend,
530
00:30:47,045 --> 00:30:49,280
and I was so selfish.
531
00:30:49,380 --> 00:30:51,382
How could I be such a selfish
person?
532
00:30:51,482 --> 00:30:53,985
Didn't I realize what she went
through?
533
00:30:54,085 --> 00:30:57,755
Didn't I realize that the trauma
that she had sustained
534
00:30:57,855 --> 00:31:00,525
was so much worse than the
trauma I had sustained?
535
00:31:00,625 --> 00:31:03,861
I mean, how can, how can I live
with that?
536
00:31:03,962 --> 00:31:06,764
I actually became very
worried about Linda
537
00:31:06,864 --> 00:31:10,735
because I know Linda's still
working through her own stuff.
538
00:31:10,835 --> 00:31:12,937
So, I was worried that Linda
would be that much involved
539
00:31:13,037 --> 00:31:16,874
with someone whom I came to
realize
540
00:31:16,975 --> 00:31:24,782
was not doing well at all and,
and seemed to be getting worse.
541
00:33:07,385 --> 00:33:08,286
Okay, folks,
welcome everyone
542
00:33:09,287 --> 00:33:11,556
to our walk today that's gonna
be recognizing
543
00:33:11,656 --> 00:33:13,558
all the members of the 9/11
community,
544
00:33:13,658 --> 00:33:15,593
the victims and their families,
545
00:33:15,693 --> 00:33:18,162
the rescuers and recovery
workers.
546
00:33:18,262 --> 00:33:21,366
The walk has been organized by
the World Trade Center
547
00:33:21,466 --> 00:33:22,900
Survivors' Network.
548
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,136
It's an amazing organization in
that
549
00:33:25,236 --> 00:33:27,004
there's no real hierarchy to it.
550
00:33:27,105 --> 00:33:28,906
Everybody just gets together and
does the work,
551
00:33:29,006 --> 00:33:32,610
and I do wanna recognize the
coordinators of this,
552
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:34,645
Tania Head.
553
00:33:36,314 --> 00:33:37,382
Tania began to
tell me
554
00:33:37,482 --> 00:33:41,152
that people in the network were
saying that they had
555
00:33:41,252 --> 00:33:43,321
had some concerns with things
that I was doing.
556
00:33:43,421 --> 00:33:45,189
There were people who had told
her
557
00:33:45,289 --> 00:33:49,160
that I was not representing
survivors aggressively enough.
558
00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:52,330
Then, the board of the, of the
network basically called me in
559
00:33:52,430 --> 00:33:54,932
and told me what their concerns
were.
560
00:33:55,032 --> 00:33:58,202
A primary person in that whole
conversation was Tania.
561
00:33:58,302 --> 00:34:00,571
It was Tania who was basically
running this meeting.
562
00:34:00,671 --> 00:34:06,577
Tania was frightened of
Gerry,
563
00:34:06,677 --> 00:34:08,579
that he was a hard worker,
564
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:10,548
and, he started the Survivors'
Network,
565
00:34:10,648 --> 00:34:14,452
and I think she knew that she
couldn't manipulate him.
566
00:34:14,552 --> 00:34:18,156
So, she kind of manipulated
everybody else to go
567
00:34:18,256 --> 00:34:22,994
against him so that she could
get him out.
568
00:34:23,094 --> 00:34:27,532
She had me thinking that
Gerry was bad
569
00:34:27,632 --> 00:34:29,200
for the organization.
570
00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:31,702
Yet, in my heart, I adore Gerry.
571
00:34:31,803 --> 00:34:34,405
I, still to this day, I adore
and love Gerry.
572
00:34:34,505 --> 00:34:36,607
He's such a good person, but you
have to sometimes
573
00:34:36,707 --> 00:34:40,111
separate yourself from you as a
person
574
00:34:40,211 --> 00:34:41,779
and you as part of an
organization,
575
00:34:41,879 --> 00:34:43,181
and that's what we had to do.
576
00:34:43,281 --> 00:34:44,515
And...
personally, I'm very proud of,
577
00:34:44,615 --> 00:34:46,651
of this organization and the
people who are in it.
578
00:34:46,751 --> 00:34:48,586
They've done a great deal of
work...
579
00:34:48,686 --> 00:34:52,757
We were having our annual
elections for the board,
580
00:34:52,857 --> 00:34:55,426
and the night before the
election meeting,
581
00:34:55,526 --> 00:34:58,229
Tania called me and started to
talk to me about,
582
00:34:58,329 --> 00:35:00,498
"You don't really wanna come to
this meeting, now, do you?"
583
00:35:00,598 --> 00:35:03,734
You know, that type of thing,
and I started talking.
584
00:35:03,835 --> 00:35:05,770
I said, "Yeah, no, I'm, I, I
wanna be there,"
585
00:35:05,870 --> 00:35:07,238
and so forth, and then I
realized
586
00:35:07,338 --> 00:35:09,273
through the conversation that
what she was really saying
587
00:35:09,373 --> 00:35:11,809
Is that I wasn't going to be
elected to the board,
588
00:35:11,909 --> 00:35:13,144
or re-elected to the board.
589
00:35:13,244 --> 00:35:14,345
I even said it to her.
590
00:35:15,546 --> 00:35:15,847
I said, "You're telling me I'm
not gonna be re-elected,"
591
00:35:16,714 --> 00:35:18,116
and she was kind of quiet, and I
said,
592
00:35:18,216 --> 00:35:19,817
"Well, I'm still gonna be
there".
593
00:35:27,325 --> 00:35:30,261
The next day, I went to
the meeting,
594
00:35:30,361 --> 00:35:32,930
and, in fact, I wasn't
re-elected to the board,
595
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:35,900
and I left at that point.
596
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,069
I remember standing at the bus
stop waiting for the bus home,
597
00:35:38,169 --> 00:35:42,106
and, you know, having a physical
reaction to it,
598
00:35:42,206 --> 00:35:45,009
just feeling shaken, totally
shaken but not in a,
599
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:46,978
in a psychological way, a
physical way,
600
00:35:47,078 --> 00:35:49,614
actually shaking and just
wondering
601
00:35:49,714 --> 00:35:52,984
how I had managed to alienate
all those people,
602
00:35:53,084 --> 00:35:56,821
you know, and, and, and part of
me was sort of beginning
603
00:35:56,921 --> 00:35:57,955
to rebel against it.
604
00:35:58,055 --> 00:35:59,123
There was some anger there, too,
like,
605
00:35:59,223 --> 00:36:00,458
what, what, what just happened?
606
00:36:00,558 --> 00:36:01,826
But it was mostly self-doubt.
607
00:36:01,926 --> 00:36:03,794
It was mostly like, what did I
do here?
608
00:36:03,895 --> 00:36:06,297
How, how did this happen?
609
00:36:06,397 --> 00:36:09,167
The next day, they came out with
a press release,
610
00:36:09,267 --> 00:36:14,872
which described the new board
with Tania as the president,
611
00:36:14,972 --> 00:36:17,808
offices we didn't have before.
612
00:36:17,909 --> 00:36:20,244
So, there was this mysterious
quality to it, too.
613
00:36:20,344 --> 00:36:22,446
I just couldn't put all these
pieces together
614
00:36:22,547 --> 00:36:26,584
and figure out why did it come
out this way.
615
00:36:26,684 --> 00:36:33,291
And I haven't really been active
with the network since.
616
00:36:33,391 --> 00:36:34,358
I'm like, "Oh, my God.
617
00:36:34,458 --> 00:36:36,694
I, I can't believe I'm seeing
this".
618
00:36:36,794 --> 00:36:38,462
And it's like now wait a minute.
619
00:36:38,563 --> 00:36:40,698
I keep trying to find one
more website
620
00:36:40,798 --> 00:36:41,933
that will confirm her story,
621
00:36:42,033 --> 00:36:46,504
and I'm checking and checking
and checking... Nothing.
622
00:36:46,604 --> 00:36:49,207
Needless to say, I didn't get
any sleep that night,
623
00:36:49,307 --> 00:36:55,413
but I sat on this information.
624
00:36:55,513 --> 00:36:58,716
These people were so important
in my life.
625
00:36:58,816 --> 00:36:59,917
They brought me back.
626
00:37:00,017 --> 00:37:03,054
You know, they, they made me
into a human being again.
627
00:37:03,154 --> 00:37:05,790
I don't what would have happened
if I'd never met them,
628
00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:09,227
and I did not wanna lose that,
you know.
629
00:37:09,327 --> 00:37:13,664
I, I just could see her
making all these people go away,
630
00:37:13,764 --> 00:37:16,968
and I just, I couldn't do it.
631
00:37:17,068 --> 00:37:20,104
I knew deep down that I was
gonna tell eventually.
632
00:37:20,204 --> 00:37:23,541
You know, I just knew, but I
didn't wanna do it.
633
00:37:23,641 --> 00:37:25,676
I mean, I was just too scared
because I knew the power
634
00:37:25,776 --> 00:37:27,945
that she had over people.
635
00:37:39,223 --> 00:37:42,093
It was a couple of days
before the sixth anniversary,
636
00:37:42,193 --> 00:37:44,895
Tania came over to me.
637
00:37:44,996 --> 00:37:49,834
She was frantic, and she said
that a New York Times reporter
638
00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:52,870
was going to do a story on her.
639
00:37:52,970 --> 00:37:53,738
They really just wanted
to do
640
00:37:53,838 --> 00:37:55,272
a really nice story on her.
641
00:37:55,373 --> 00:37:56,907
Six years later, where is she?
642
00:37:57,008 --> 00:37:59,043
You know, that she went to
Harvard and Stanford,
643
00:37:59,143 --> 00:38:00,778
she's doing all these wonderful
things.
644
00:38:00,878 --> 00:38:02,446
She agreed to it, which I
was really happy about.
645
00:38:02,546 --> 00:38:04,615
As time went on, as time went
on,
646
00:38:04,715 --> 00:38:06,083
she kept pushing back,
647
00:38:06,183 --> 00:38:08,352
and she was acting very strange
about it.
648
00:38:08,452 --> 00:38:10,021
He was asking a lot of
personal questions
649
00:38:10,121 --> 00:38:11,589
that she did not wanna answer,
650
00:38:11,689 --> 00:38:15,893
and he was going to write a lot
of lies about her.
651
00:38:15,993 --> 00:38:17,962
They were supposed to
meet,
652
00:38:18,062 --> 00:38:20,731
but she said that she had
another appointment
653
00:38:20,831 --> 00:38:21,899
and was gonna be late.
654
00:38:21,999 --> 00:38:23,501
So, they had to cancel that.
655
00:38:27,071 --> 00:38:29,907
So, he called her up,
and she got very upset
656
00:38:30,007 --> 00:38:32,143
and hung up on him.
657
00:38:32,243 --> 00:38:35,379
She called me and said, "He's
asking me these questions,
658
00:38:35,479 --> 00:38:37,515
and why is he asking me all
these questions?"
659
00:38:37,615 --> 00:38:39,750
And I say, "Well, you don't have
to answer them.
660
00:38:39,850 --> 00:38:41,018
It's okay".
661
00:38:42,286 --> 00:38:42,953
We got a call
from a reporter, David Dunlap,
662
00:38:43,921 --> 00:38:46,023
at The New York Times, and he
said, "Hi".
663
00:38:46,123 --> 00:38:46,991
And he said,
664
00:38:47,958 --> 00:38:48,325
"I'm writing this story about
Tania Head,
665
00:38:48,993 --> 00:38:49,960
and, you know, we just need,
666
00:38:51,195 --> 00:38:53,798
there's a couple things we can't
quite put into place here".
667
00:38:53,898 --> 00:38:56,267
My immediate reaction to his
call was,
668
00:38:56,367 --> 00:38:59,403
"Why are you harassing this
woman?
669
00:38:59,503 --> 00:39:00,971
She's been through so much".
670
00:39:01,072 --> 00:39:02,573
I started to
answer their questions,
671
00:39:02,673 --> 00:39:03,774
and about a quarter of the way
in,
672
00:39:03,874 --> 00:39:05,376
I realized that this wasn't just
a piece.
673
00:39:05,476 --> 00:39:08,012
This was an investigation.
674
00:39:20,357 --> 00:39:22,259
As The New York Times was
harassing Tania
675
00:39:22,359 --> 00:39:24,528
with phone call after phone
call,
676
00:39:24,628 --> 00:39:27,765
she told me that Merrill Lynch
had arranged
677
00:39:27,865 --> 00:39:30,501
a family conference at the St.
Regis.
678
00:39:30,601 --> 00:39:33,738
There were 11 co-workers that
had died with her,
679
00:39:33,838 --> 00:39:39,477
and these families wanted to
know how their loved ones died.
680
00:39:39,577 --> 00:39:40,811
She was so afraid.
681
00:39:40,911 --> 00:39:42,113
There were people that she told
me
682
00:39:42,213 --> 00:39:44,682
had stalked her over the years.
683
00:39:44,782 --> 00:39:47,852
She called me that morning
hysterically crying, and said,
684
00:39:47,952 --> 00:39:49,086
"Linda, I need you to come in
now.
685
00:39:49,186 --> 00:39:50,554
These people are so mean to me.
686
00:39:50,654 --> 00:39:51,655
They're screaming at me".
687
00:39:53,257 --> 00:39:55,960
I ran out of my
apartment. I hailed a taxi.
688
00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:58,462
I went right into the St. Regis
Hotel,
689
00:39:58,562 --> 00:40:01,766
and I found her laying on the
side of the hotel,
690
00:40:01,866 --> 00:40:02,566
and she kept repeating,
691
00:40:03,367 --> 00:40:03,868
"I tried to get these people
out.
692
00:40:03,968 --> 00:40:04,835
I tried to save them.
693
00:40:04,935 --> 00:40:05,903
I tried to save them all,"
694
00:40:06,003 --> 00:40:09,406
and she was crying and shaking
and a mess.
695
00:40:09,507 --> 00:40:11,475
She kept telling me over the
past six months
696
00:40:11,575 --> 00:40:13,277
that she was gonna try to kill
herself,
697
00:40:13,377 --> 00:40:18,415
and I figured, this is the day
that she's gonna kill herself.
698
00:40:18,516 --> 00:40:19,817
And I helped her up, and I said,
699
00:40:19,917 --> 00:40:22,353
"Let me bring her inside to the,
to the hotel.
700
00:40:22,453 --> 00:40:25,756
They probably know exactly. They
we're probably there.
701
00:40:25,856 --> 00:40:27,992
They probably arranged it, and
when I went inside,
702
00:40:28,092 --> 00:40:29,894
and I begged them for a quiet
place for us to sit,
703
00:40:29,994 --> 00:40:35,800
they didn't even know what I was
talking about.
704
00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:37,868
After a little while, she pulled
herself together,
705
00:40:37,968 --> 00:40:40,037
and she asked to go the Marsh
McLennan Memorial
706
00:40:40,137 --> 00:40:44,208
where her husband Dave's name
was.
707
00:40:44,308 --> 00:40:47,578
And we were just touching Dave's
name over and over again,
708
00:40:47,678 --> 00:40:49,313
and she was crying, but she was
calming down
709
00:40:49,413 --> 00:40:52,450
because I felt like, you know,
Dave was calming her down.
710
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:56,453
Dave was calming her down.
711
00:40:56,554 --> 00:40:58,455
And all of a sudden, she was
like,
712
00:40:58,556 --> 00:40:59,557
"You can go home now, Linda,
713
00:40:59,657 --> 00:41:01,459
It's okay. I'm gonna be all
right".
714
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:10,801
She begged me to call the
reporter
715
00:41:10,901 --> 00:41:13,204
and tell him to stop.
716
00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:15,739
I called up, and I left a
message saying,
717
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,209
"I understand you're doing a
story on her.
718
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:21,011
She does not wish to have a
story written on her.
719
00:41:21,111 --> 00:41:27,985
Please respect her, her request,
her wishes".
720
00:41:28,085 --> 00:41:30,554
And that was it.
721
00:41:30,654 --> 00:41:33,257
And after I hung up, she started
yelling at me,
722
00:41:33,357 --> 00:41:36,193
telling me that I probably just
made it worse
723
00:41:36,293 --> 00:41:42,066
by telling him that.
724
00:41:42,166 --> 00:41:45,736
If he writes lies, you can just
verify.
725
00:41:45,836 --> 00:41:50,207
All you have to do is just get
Dave's parents to speak up
726
00:41:50,307 --> 00:41:52,710
and all his friends.
727
00:41:52,810 --> 00:41:54,044
I called him up, and I
said,
728
00:41:54,144 --> 00:41:57,214
"You know, this is a really
difficult time of the year.
729
00:41:57,314 --> 00:42:00,017
Can you please wait until after
the anniversary?
730
00:42:00,117 --> 00:42:04,221
See, she said that she would do
the interview then".
731
00:42:04,321 --> 00:42:06,690
He was screaming on the phone to
me one day.
732
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:09,059
He's like goes, "Why can't you
just answer the questions?"
733
00:42:16,634 --> 00:42:19,737
She was driving us
absolutely crazy.
734
00:42:19,837 --> 00:42:22,907
She would call us constantly
several times a day
735
00:42:23,007 --> 00:42:24,742
to talk about this stuff, and,
of course,
736
00:42:24,842 --> 00:42:25,943
everybody kept saying,
737
00:42:26,043 --> 00:42:27,411
"Just talk to The Times already.
738
00:42:27,511 --> 00:42:29,313
What is your problem?"
739
00:42:36,921 --> 00:42:38,355
I remember the night
before
740
00:42:38,455 --> 00:42:40,424
September 11th anniversary.
741
00:42:40,524 --> 00:42:43,193
She always had a barbecue at her
house.
742
00:42:43,294 --> 00:42:44,261
And Tania seemed to be
having
743
00:42:44,361 --> 00:42:45,663
a lot of difficulty with
something.
744
00:42:45,763 --> 00:42:46,864
You know, she was crying,
745
00:42:46,964 --> 00:42:49,366
running out of the barbecue and
everything.
746
00:42:49,466 --> 00:42:50,301
"The Times keeps calling
me.
747
00:42:51,235 --> 00:42:51,835
The Times keeps calling me," or
whatever.
748
00:42:52,903 --> 00:42:55,172
She was no longer even connected
to us as friends.
749
00:42:55,272 --> 00:42:57,241
She was so caught up in her own
mania.
750
00:42:57,341 --> 00:42:59,076
She was sitting outside
with Janice,
751
00:42:59,176 --> 00:43:00,611
crying hysterically, saying,
752
00:43:00,711 --> 00:43:03,113
"They're, they're asking all
these questions.
753
00:43:03,213 --> 00:43:04,915
They're fact checking.
754
00:43:05,015 --> 00:43:08,118
They're questioning my story".
755
00:43:08,218 --> 00:43:09,954
And I remember thinking to
myself
756
00:43:10,054 --> 00:43:12,389
what horrible people they are.
757
00:43:12,489 --> 00:43:14,058
I'm thinking, "This
guy's on to her,"
758
00:43:14,158 --> 00:43:16,327
because there's no reason why
she should be
759
00:43:16,427 --> 00:43:18,228
so uncomfortable about this.
760
00:43:18,329 --> 00:43:20,464
Here's Linda, supposedly,
this is the,
761
00:43:20,564 --> 00:43:22,166
this is, this is the sixth
anniversary.
762
00:43:22,266 --> 00:43:25,536
Linda should be in her own
stuff,
763
00:43:25,636 --> 00:43:28,272
and she's worried about Tania
crying.
764
00:43:28,372 --> 00:43:30,507
I begged her.
765
00:43:30,607 --> 00:43:32,810
I begged her to give me
something,
766
00:43:32,910 --> 00:43:35,913
a piece of evidence that I could
go to to The New York Times.
767
00:43:36,013 --> 00:43:39,783
I begged her, "Give me the name
of the firefighter
768
00:43:39,883 --> 00:43:43,187
that carried you out that
morning, the one that was,
769
00:43:43,287 --> 00:43:44,822
that you were handed off to
770
00:43:44,922 --> 00:43:46,790
and threw you underneath that
fire truck
771
00:43:46,890 --> 00:43:49,226
when the tower came down right
on West Street.
772
00:43:49,326 --> 00:43:51,695
You told me that story a million
times.
773
00:43:51,795 --> 00:43:54,264
You and that firefighter
survived".
774
00:43:54,365 --> 00:43:58,002
Everybody else in Tania's story
had died.
775
00:43:58,102 --> 00:44:01,972
I begged her for the name of
that firefighter,
776
00:44:02,072 --> 00:44:04,141
and she wouldn't give it to me.
777
00:44:04,241 --> 00:44:08,078
She would not give me the name
of that firefighter.
778
00:44:08,178 --> 00:44:09,580
She wouldn't.
779
00:44:17,021 --> 00:44:19,656
I had suggested to her
to get an attorney.
780
00:44:19,757 --> 00:44:21,792
I said, "Why don't you get
yourself an attorney?
781
00:44:21,892 --> 00:44:24,561
This way then you know what your
rights are".
782
00:44:24,662 --> 00:44:27,131
As we were going up in the
elevator, she says,
783
00:44:27,231 --> 00:44:30,300
"Okay, Janice, I'm gonna tell
you my story.
784
00:44:30,401 --> 00:44:32,236
I'm not a U.S. citizen.
785
00:44:32,336 --> 00:44:35,439
That's why I can't say anything
to the reporters".
786
00:44:35,539 --> 00:44:37,674
So, I said, "It doesn't matter
to me
787
00:44:37,775 --> 00:44:39,276
you're not a U.S. citizen, you
know.
788
00:44:39,376 --> 00:44:40,110
That's okay.
789
00:44:40,944 --> 00:44:41,211
I don't think anybody will mind
that
790
00:44:41,879 --> 00:44:43,280
you're not a U.S. citizen".
791
00:44:43,380 --> 00:44:45,149
So, we went into the lawyer's
office,
792
00:44:45,249 --> 00:44:46,750
and the lawyer said that I
didn't have
793
00:44:46,850 --> 00:44:50,521
client privilege rights,
794
00:44:50,621 --> 00:44:53,957
so that if, if it was okay, for
me to wait outside.
795
00:44:54,058 --> 00:44:55,225
And I says, "Absolutely.
796
00:44:55,325 --> 00:44:59,296
I'm here just to, you know, as
her friend".
797
00:44:59,396 --> 00:45:04,968
I sat outside for two hours, and
the lawyer calls me in.
798
00:45:05,069 --> 00:45:07,137
She started saying things back
to Tania
799
00:45:07,237 --> 00:45:09,406
that they had spoke about in the
meeting,
800
00:45:09,506 --> 00:45:16,013
and as she was saying back to
Tania, you know,
801
00:45:16,113 --> 00:45:19,316
"It's okay that you only knew
Dave a few months,"
802
00:45:19,416 --> 00:45:21,285
and now here the story I had
known was that
803
00:45:21,385 --> 00:45:23,020
she was married, and, you know,
804
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,255
they had this long relationship.
805
00:45:25,355 --> 00:45:27,224
My life was perfect.
806
00:45:27,324 --> 00:45:28,459
And it's okay, Tania,
807
00:45:29,693 --> 00:45:34,198
that you were only here for the,
in the building for the day.
808
00:45:34,298 --> 00:45:35,632
I worked in the
World Trade Center.
809
00:45:35,732 --> 00:45:37,067
She died, and I didn't.
810
00:45:37,167 --> 00:45:38,936
And I just could not
believe what I was hearing.
811
00:45:39,036 --> 00:45:42,139
I was like, I actually, I think
I went into shock.
812
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:43,173
Why am I special?
813
00:45:44,208 --> 00:45:45,442
Why, why was I spared? Why
didn't they make it?
814
00:45:45,542 --> 00:45:46,276
I was smelling my own skin
burning.
815
00:45:46,376 --> 00:45:47,344
Definitely a love story.
816
00:45:48,412 --> 00:45:48,879
It feels wrong to have walked
out of there alive
817
00:45:49,546 --> 00:45:50,614
when so many people didn't.
818
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,931
Janice called me and
asked me if I was sitting down,
819
00:46:08,031 --> 00:46:09,767
and I said, "Yeah, I'm, I'm just
sitting down.
820
00:46:09,867 --> 00:46:11,034
I was and having my cup of
coffee".
821
00:46:11,135 --> 00:46:13,971
It was morning, and she started
telling me
822
00:46:14,071 --> 00:46:18,308
that Tania is not who she said
she was.
823
00:46:18,408 --> 00:46:19,643
And she was like, "Oh,
no, come on".
824
00:46:19,743 --> 00:46:20,944
And I said, "Well, this is what
I heard
825
00:46:21,044 --> 00:46:23,046
in the attorney's office,"
826
00:46:23,147 --> 00:46:26,250
and the both of us started
looking things up.
827
00:46:26,350 --> 00:46:28,552
She's not a fraud.
828
00:46:28,652 --> 00:46:30,354
She's a person that's hurting.
829
00:46:30,454 --> 00:46:31,622
And she said, "No, Linda".
830
00:46:31,722 --> 00:46:35,993
She goes, "Her name is not what
she's been telling us.
831
00:46:36,093 --> 00:46:38,195
There was no husband Dave.
832
00:46:38,295 --> 00:46:41,398
She didn't even have a
relationship with Dave.
833
00:46:41,498 --> 00:46:48,539
We don't even think she was in
the towers that day".
834
00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:51,141
When I got the phone call,
835
00:46:51,241 --> 00:46:55,245
I was at work,
836
00:46:55,345 --> 00:46:59,349
and I immediately started
yelling out right in my office,
837
00:46:59,449 --> 00:47:02,553
"What happened? What happened?"
838
00:47:02,653 --> 00:47:06,256
Because I thought she had done
something to herself,
839
00:47:06,356 --> 00:47:09,026
and I didn't wanna hear it.
840
00:47:09,126 --> 00:47:15,832
I didn't wanna hear it that she
had done something to herself.
841
00:47:15,933 --> 00:47:19,369
And Linda kept saying, "It's not
what you think.
842
00:47:19,469 --> 00:47:23,307
It's not what you think. It's
not what you think".
843
00:47:23,407 --> 00:47:30,647
And finally, she blurted out the
words,
844
00:47:30,747 --> 00:47:33,183
and I wanted to hang up the
phone.
845
00:47:33,283 --> 00:47:34,785
I wanted to yell at Linda and
say,
846
00:47:34,885 --> 00:47:38,355
"How could you say that?
847
00:47:38,455 --> 00:47:40,924
How could you say that she's a
fraud?"
848
00:47:41,024 --> 00:47:42,025
We end tonight
with a story
849
00:47:43,126 --> 00:47:45,362
that began on 9/11, a story of
tragedy and heroism,
850
00:47:45,462 --> 00:47:47,397
survival and love.
851
00:47:47,497 --> 00:47:48,932
There's just one problem.
852
00:47:49,032 --> 00:47:52,069
As Jeff Glor reports, the story,
repeated many times
853
00:47:52,169 --> 00:47:55,973
in the past six years, may be a
complete fabrication.
854
00:47:56,073 --> 00:47:57,441
Shocked and
stunned.
855
00:47:57,541 --> 00:47:58,308
The New York
Times
856
00:47:59,176 --> 00:47:59,676
discovered a flood of
discrepancies.
857
00:48:00,811 --> 00:48:01,378
A Manhattan woman
is under fire tonight.
858
00:48:02,379 --> 00:48:03,247
Turning now to a
mysterious story
859
00:48:04,314 --> 00:48:06,583
about a woman and a possible
stunning deception.
860
00:48:06,683 --> 00:48:09,286
No World Trade
Center job, no fianc�,
861
00:48:09,386 --> 00:48:10,420
no dramatic escape.
862
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:11,622
Merrill Lynch,
863
00:48:12,823 --> 00:48:13,590
the financial management company
where she claimed to work,
864
00:48:13,690 --> 00:48:15,359
had no record of her employment.
865
00:48:15,459 --> 00:48:16,793
I was shocked,
you know.
866
00:48:16,894 --> 00:48:18,695
I couldn't believe it. What
happened here?
867
00:48:18,795 --> 00:48:20,097
Why, why did she do this,
868
00:48:20,197 --> 00:48:22,065
and why did none of us question
her?
869
00:48:22,165 --> 00:48:23,100
There was no evidence
870
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:24,635
that she made money off her
story,
871
00:48:24,735 --> 00:48:26,069
but she certainly gained fame.
872
00:48:26,169 --> 00:48:27,804
Can we talk to
you for a minute, please?
873
00:48:27,904 --> 00:48:29,640
Head has now
been removed as president
874
00:48:29,740 --> 00:48:33,577
of a 2,000 member organization
of Trade Center survivors.
875
00:48:33,677 --> 00:48:35,412
The person that we saw
876
00:48:35,512 --> 00:48:37,681
and that we believed in never
existed.
877
00:48:37,781 --> 00:48:40,817
This was totally shocking,
totally shocking,
878
00:48:40,917 --> 00:48:41,451
because of all the things I
would
879
00:48:42,085 --> 00:48:42,653
ever think about somebody,
880
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:44,855
that's just not something that I
would think about.
881
00:48:44,955 --> 00:48:46,990
You're looking at
everyone with suspicion.
882
00:48:47,090 --> 00:48:56,133
If Tania can lie... anybody
could lie.
883
00:48:56,233 --> 00:48:58,702
Perhaps she's evil.
884
00:48:58,802 --> 00:49:00,470
Perhaps there's some thread of
evil in there.
885
00:49:00,570 --> 00:49:01,872
I don't know.
886
00:49:01,972 --> 00:49:04,274
Evil is not a word that ever
existed in my life
887
00:49:04,374 --> 00:49:07,778
until September 11th, but I know
evil exists,
888
00:49:07,878 --> 00:49:09,746
and it is possible.
889
00:49:13,450 --> 00:49:17,621
Tania was my sign that
God was there that day.
890
00:49:17,721 --> 00:49:21,258
I felt like God had protected
her.
891
00:49:21,358 --> 00:49:23,994
Well, God's gonna protect me
also because
892
00:49:24,094 --> 00:49:26,129
she beat the odds that day.
893
00:49:26,229 --> 00:49:28,665
She beat all the odds that day.
894
00:49:28,765 --> 00:49:30,467
So, to have that taken away from
me,
895
00:49:30,567 --> 00:49:39,009
the sign that God was there that
day...
896
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:44,815
...there's a, there's nothing
that she could ever say
897
00:49:44,915 --> 00:49:49,720
to me today or going forward
that will ever change the pain
898
00:49:49,820 --> 00:49:55,158
and the anger, and I'm sorry,
but the hatred that I have
899
00:49:55,258 --> 00:49:58,662
for that woman right now.
900
00:49:58,762 --> 00:50:01,531
I don't have any room in my
heart to find sadness for her.
901
00:50:01,631 --> 00:50:05,502
What she did to me, what she did
to the 9/11 community,
902
00:50:05,602 --> 00:50:09,272
and what she has done to the
families,
903
00:50:09,373 --> 00:50:11,742
I want answers. I want to know.
904
00:50:11,842 --> 00:50:21,785
I wanna know who she is. I need
to find that out.
905
00:50:21,885 --> 00:50:25,822
I wanna know who she is. I need
to find that out.
906
00:51:55,545 --> 00:51:58,348
She didn't hurt anyone
physically.
907
00:51:58,448 --> 00:52:00,650
She didn't sign any documents.
908
00:52:00,750 --> 00:52:05,956
She did not do anything what we
would say is illegal.
909
00:52:06,056 --> 00:52:07,824
It is true that
Tania never stole
910
00:52:07,924 --> 00:52:10,760
any money from the, she never
made any money
911
00:52:10,861 --> 00:52:12,195
from this involvement.
912
00:52:12,295 --> 00:52:14,898
I don't think money was what her
objective was, frankly.
913
00:52:14,998 --> 00:52:17,767
Why she's done this has
been,
914
00:52:17,868 --> 00:52:20,136
everybody wonders that.
915
00:52:20,237 --> 00:52:22,472
Myself, I don't know.
916
00:52:22,572 --> 00:52:23,406
I think after
9/11,
917
00:52:23,507 --> 00:52:26,343
we all wanted to have a piece of
it.
918
00:52:26,443 --> 00:52:28,378
I mean, I think if we're being
honest with ourselves,
919
00:52:28,478 --> 00:52:32,215
there was a really human, strong
desire to,
920
00:52:32,315 --> 00:52:36,853
to not only give back and try to
help
921
00:52:36,953 --> 00:52:41,725
but also to connect to it in
some fundamental way.
922
00:52:41,825 --> 00:52:43,126
Well, I think a
lot of people used 9/11
923
00:52:43,226 --> 00:52:44,261
to heal themselves.
924
00:52:44,361 --> 00:52:46,897
I mean, I think 9/11 became,
oddly,
925
00:52:46,997 --> 00:52:49,599
a religion for some people, you
know.
926
00:52:49,699 --> 00:52:51,301
It was a way to belong.
927
00:52:51,401 --> 00:52:54,938
It was a way to be part of
something bigger than themselves.
928
00:52:55,038 --> 00:53:00,010
For some people
who need either some kind
929
00:53:00,110 --> 00:53:05,182
of identity or some kind of
notoriety or visibility,
930
00:53:05,282 --> 00:53:08,318
this became a way, in Tania's
case, I would guess,
931
00:53:08,418 --> 00:53:11,788
I don't know for sure, but for
her to feel needed.
932
00:53:11,888 --> 00:53:13,657
I think, you
know, my, my friends
933
00:53:13,757 --> 00:53:16,860
who are widows were like, "Why
would she wanna be us?"
934
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,729
You know, "Why would you want to
be us?"
935
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:23,366
And, you know, having known what
we've suffered,
936
00:53:23,466 --> 00:53:25,569
it, you know, that was to all of
us
937
00:53:25,669 --> 00:53:30,540
a very normal response to have.
938
00:55:23,353 --> 00:55:28,858
Alicia Esteve Head.
939
00:55:31,661 --> 00:55:32,829
You know, when I think
about what Tania
940
00:55:32,929 --> 00:55:36,633
was doing on 9/11, 2001,
941
00:55:36,733 --> 00:55:40,904
she probably was just having a
regular day in Barcelona,
942
00:55:41,004 --> 00:55:43,173
you know, getting up like
everyone else.
943
00:55:43,273 --> 00:55:45,341
You know, someone made some form
of an announcement
944
00:55:45,442 --> 00:55:48,945
that there's a terrorist attack
going on in Manhattan.
945
00:55:52,482 --> 00:55:54,317
From what I can tell,
she had never been
946
00:55:54,417 --> 00:55:57,587
in the World Trade Center.
947
00:55:57,687 --> 00:55:59,589
It's obvious she did her
research on Dave,
948
00:55:59,689 --> 00:56:02,358
whom she had never met.
949
00:56:02,459 --> 00:56:05,195
I mean, she knows where her
company was located.
950
00:56:05,295 --> 00:56:09,866
So, she probably did her
research on us.
951
00:56:09,966 --> 00:56:12,602
She was probably just watching
us and trying to see
952
00:56:12,702 --> 00:56:14,771
what we were talking about and
how we felt,
953
00:56:14,871 --> 00:56:17,574
and she adopted the personality.
954
00:56:17,674 --> 00:56:20,243
You know, she knew how survivors
felt
955
00:56:20,343 --> 00:56:21,878
after going through something
like that,
956
00:56:21,978 --> 00:56:23,847
and she became one of us.
957
00:56:32,522 --> 00:56:33,590
We didn't know much
about
958
00:56:33,690 --> 00:56:36,993
her present life at the time.
959
00:56:37,093 --> 00:56:40,363
It would have been
actually cruel
960
00:56:40,463 --> 00:56:45,635
for any one of us to question
her on anything.
961
00:56:45,735 --> 00:56:48,271
It would have been downright
cruel.
962
00:56:51,808 --> 00:56:53,610
I mean, she mentions
working for Merrill Lynch
963
00:56:53,710 --> 00:56:57,313
and in this financial think tank
that she told us about,
964
00:56:57,413 --> 00:56:59,649
but we had never been to her
office.
965
00:56:59,749 --> 00:57:01,918
We had never met any of her
co-workers,
966
00:57:02,018 --> 00:57:03,253
and from what I understand,
967
00:57:03,353 --> 00:57:07,090
she would actually rent office
space to meet people,
968
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:09,192
and nobody ever questioned it.
969
00:57:14,197 --> 00:57:15,865
Tania, to give her a
compliment,
970
00:57:15,965 --> 00:57:18,601
she's the best liar I've ever
met.
971
00:57:18,701 --> 00:57:22,238
I mean, she was so good at
staying on her story
972
00:57:22,338 --> 00:57:25,441
that I really didn't notice any
inconsistencies
973
00:57:25,542 --> 00:57:28,144
until I knew her for a couple of
years.
974
00:57:28,244 --> 00:57:31,981
Had we actually compared
notes like we do now,
975
00:57:32,081 --> 00:57:35,318
we would have realized something
was wrong.
976
00:57:35,418 --> 00:57:38,855
She told me that she lost
her wedding ring in,
977
00:57:38,955 --> 00:57:41,791
on September 11th and that
Tiffany's had replaced
978
00:57:41,891 --> 00:57:44,127
the wedding ring that she had
lost.
979
00:57:44,227 --> 00:57:45,995
There were
references to her fianc�
980
00:57:46,095 --> 00:57:49,899
that, that changed from fianc�
to husband back to fianc�.
981
00:57:49,999 --> 00:57:53,236
She even promised the
Crowthers that she
982
00:57:53,336 --> 00:57:56,339
had saved a piece of her burnt
clothing and would put it
983
00:57:56,439 --> 00:57:58,208
in a plaque and give it to them.
984
00:57:58,308 --> 00:58:00,543
She told me on the day
that her brother died
985
00:58:00,643 --> 00:58:04,781
that his wife had a baby on the
same day,
986
00:58:04,881 --> 00:58:07,016
and they named the baby, Dave.
987
00:58:26,970 --> 00:58:31,741
I remember I was in her
apartment one time,
988
00:58:31,841 --> 00:58:34,677
and she always talked about her
dog, Elvis,
989
00:58:34,777 --> 00:58:37,280
and her dog, Elvis, and her old
dog, Elvis.
990
00:58:37,380 --> 00:58:39,949
And one of the times that I was
in her apartment, I said,
991
00:58:40,049 --> 00:58:43,820
"Where's your dog? I never see
your dog".
992
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,290
And she would always have the
same answer.
993
00:58:47,390 --> 00:58:51,728
"Uh, Lupe is walking him".
994
00:58:51,828 --> 00:58:53,162
And I remember one day I said,
995
00:58:53,263 --> 00:58:56,699
"Boy, that dog gets walked a
lot.
996
00:58:56,799 --> 00:58:58,101
That's the most walked dog.
997
00:58:58,201 --> 00:59:00,203
I mean, that dog must love Lupe
998
00:59:00,303 --> 00:59:02,972
because she's always walking
him".
999
00:59:03,072 --> 00:59:05,108
But one day, I went into the
apartment,
1000
00:59:05,208 --> 00:59:09,145
and I asked her, "Where's,
where's your dog?
1001
00:59:09,245 --> 00:59:10,280
I wanna see your dog".
1002
00:59:10,380 --> 00:59:12,515
And she said, "Oh, you know,
Lupe's walking him".
1003
00:59:12,615 --> 00:59:15,084
And I said,
1004
00:59:15,184 --> 00:59:19,122
"Tania, do you or don't you have
a dog?"
1005
00:59:19,222 --> 00:59:22,058
I got right in her face because
it bothered me
1006
00:59:22,158 --> 00:59:23,493
that I couldn't, I love dogs,
1007
00:59:23,593 --> 00:59:26,229
so, it bothered me that I
couldn't see the dog.
1008
00:59:26,329 --> 00:59:27,931
And she just looked at me and
went,
1009
00:59:28,031 --> 00:59:31,801
"Oh, yeah, of course I have a
dog".
1010
01:00:02,365 --> 01:00:05,335
After The Times
article, she disappeared,
1011
01:00:05,435 --> 01:00:07,604
and I don't know if it's because
she actually
1012
01:00:07,704 --> 01:00:11,507
just left the country or if
she's just been hiding well,
1013
01:00:11,607 --> 01:00:13,943
but really, none of us have had
any contact
1014
01:00:14,043 --> 01:00:15,378
with her since then.
1015
01:00:15,478 --> 01:00:17,013
The other thing she did
was she wrote me an email
1016
01:00:17,113 --> 01:00:21,617
and said, "Hello". That's it.
1017
01:00:21,718 --> 01:00:26,956
I saw that as her way of opening
up a line of communication.
1018
01:00:27,056 --> 01:00:36,466
I just deleted the email, and
that was it.
1019
01:00:36,566 --> 01:00:41,371
There had to be some sort
of recognition
1020
01:00:41,471 --> 01:00:43,673
that she was doing something
wrong,
1021
01:00:43,773 --> 01:00:51,547
and... and she was deviant in,
in, in that way,
1022
01:00:51,647 --> 01:00:54,851
but that is only something that
we see now.
1023
01:00:54,951 --> 01:00:56,986
That's something that we
couldn't see then.
1024
01:01:09,132 --> 01:01:10,400
Go across
the street.
1025
01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:11,834
Right over here at this
light.
1026
01:01:13,269 --> 01:01:13,336
See those two ladies
with the two orange hats?
1027
01:01:13,736 --> 01:01:14,570
Yes.
1028
01:01:15,805 --> 01:01:15,838
You're
gonna tell them you're family,
1029
01:01:16,406 --> 01:01:16,439
family members, right?
1030
01:01:17,373 --> 01:01:17,573
Well, we're actually all
survivors,
1031
01:01:18,141 --> 01:01:19,442
let me tell you, yeah.
1032
01:01:19,542 --> 01:01:20,576
So, you let
them know,
1033
01:01:20,676 --> 01:01:22,011
and they'll let you in so you
can go inside,
1034
01:01:22,111 --> 01:01:22,612
all right, ma'am?
1035
01:01:22,712 --> 01:01:23,713
Thank you.
1036
01:01:23,813 --> 01:01:26,315
So, follow me, guys.
1037
01:01:26,416 --> 01:01:28,985
No pushing, no shoving.
1038
01:01:34,824 --> 01:01:36,459
I just hope that she
really does get
1039
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:39,328
the help she needs and that she
can live a full life.
1040
01:01:39,429 --> 01:01:40,663
She's a smart woman.
1041
01:01:40,763 --> 01:01:42,965
She's talented, and she can
offer
1042
01:01:43,066 --> 01:01:45,334
a lot of great stuff in this
world.
1043
01:01:45,435 --> 01:01:46,736
So, forgiveness, yeah.
1044
01:01:46,836 --> 01:01:49,105
This, there, I absolutely
forgive her.
1045
01:01:49,205 --> 01:01:54,277
I know we should
forgive, but I don't know.
1046
01:01:54,377 --> 01:01:56,145
It, it would really take a lot.
1047
01:01:56,245 --> 01:01:58,481
I don't think I could ever do
it.
1048
01:01:58,581 --> 01:02:02,218
I just, I just feel that
hurt, that wronged.
1049
01:02:07,890 --> 01:02:09,525
She was a
troubled person.
1050
01:02:09,625 --> 01:02:12,328
There were issues that drove her
to do this.
1051
01:02:12,428 --> 01:02:18,534
And because she was not
functioning in a normal way,
1052
01:02:18,634 --> 01:02:22,105
how can you hold, you know, not
forgive someone like that?
1053
01:02:26,442 --> 01:02:29,512
She's never
apologized.
1054
01:02:29,612 --> 01:02:32,448
This is all a great mystery, and
it's, it is what it is,
1055
01:02:32,548 --> 01:02:36,919
and, and it's not gonna affect
my life any longer.
1056
01:02:37,019 --> 01:02:41,891
I've already forgiven her.
1057
01:02:41,991 --> 01:02:48,264
Holding onto all the feelings
that I had
1058
01:02:48,364 --> 01:02:51,601
once I found out that she had
lied to us is
1059
01:02:51,701 --> 01:02:57,073
not gonna take me anywhere where
I wanna go.
1060
01:02:57,173 --> 01:02:59,976
We'll get through it. You know
that?
1061
01:03:00,076 --> 01:03:05,548
We'll get through it. You know
that.
1062
01:03:05,648 --> 01:03:06,516
All the things that I was
doing this year
1063
01:03:06,616 --> 01:03:09,619
putting this together, I was
thinking,
1064
01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:11,687
"Where's Tania when you need
her?"
1065
01:03:11,787 --> 01:03:12,922
You know what I mean?
1066
01:03:14,157 --> 01:03:16,359
And it just made me feel even
more upset because I'm like,
1067
01:03:16,459 --> 01:03:23,833
"I miss her". I really, I miss
her.
1068
01:03:23,933 --> 01:03:26,335
You know, I miss it like I
miss life
1069
01:03:26,435 --> 01:03:27,436
back on September 10th.
1070
01:03:27,537 --> 01:03:28,971
I miss, I miss that.
1071
01:03:29,071 --> 01:03:32,108
I miss, I miss the what was.
1072
01:03:32,208 --> 01:03:36,512
I miss the what could have been.
1073
01:03:36,612 --> 01:03:38,981
That's what I miss.
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