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In 2016 we faced an attack
of a new kind.
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The Russians hacked democracy.
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The Russian interference
only worked
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because America was
a vulnerable target.
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In the alleged collusion...
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These allegations are just
absolutely preposterous.
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Of course Russians preferred
Trump because Trump said
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that he preferred Russians.
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The following is
a presentation of HBO Sports.
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- My name is Craig Carton.
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I have lived
through the most public,
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vicious, self-inflicted
fall from grace.
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I was the cohost
of "Boomer and Carton,"
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one of the most successful
sports radio shows in America.
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I fought my way to the top,
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and for ten years,
I had the dream job.
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But it was never enough.
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Never enough to make me happy.
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Never enough
to chase away the demons
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that have haunted me
since childhood.
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I had it all.
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The career.
The beautiful country house.
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I made more than $2 million
a year.
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And now, it's all gone.
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I've hurt my wife
and kids deeply,
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and I've promised to shield them
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from the public spotlight
that's on me.
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But I am going to tell you
my story
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of how stupidity, bad decisions,
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and a secret addiction
cost me everything,
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including the one thing
I took for granted:
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my freedom.
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- Cross Island Parkway
northbound left lanes
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locked up with a crash
by the Grand Central.
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- Offer ends March 29th.
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Terms and restrictions...
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- With great offers
on everything
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from airfare to accommoda...
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- It's Boomer Esiason
and Craig Carton on The FAN.
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- Welcome, welcome, welcome.
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Boomer Esiason and Craig Carton
on The FAN
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and, of course, worldwide.
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September 4, 2007,
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was the very first show
for "Boomer and Carton,"
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and ten years later,
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it was the number one
most listened to morning show
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in New York and in America.
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There you go.
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- What am I doing with my life?
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- "Boomer and Carton" became
a sensation.
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Boomer had the big name,
but Carton had the skills.
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He had that magic.
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Now sometimes, he'd go
a little too far,
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but he could really make a show
out of nothing.
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- We're doing what manly men do.
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We're exfoliating.
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We have cucumbers on our eyes
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and we're picking
football games.
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Hit it, boys.
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- I have never met
anybody like him in my life.
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He is like a cross
between a Martian
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and, like, Don Rickles.
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- So LeBron James being a loser,
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a big choke-arse, a big donut,
a big nothing.
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At 6:00, when the music rolled
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and the light went on,
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something just overcame him,
an energy
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a passion for what he was doing.
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- I win. Yes!
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Whoo!
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Adrienne!
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I did it!
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- In terms
of morning sports hosts,
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I would put him at the top
of the list.
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I couldn't even think
of a close second.
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- Jerry, good morning.
How you doing, buddy?
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- Craig, don't ever lose
your sense of humor.
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- I never will.
I've seen myself naked.
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- Craig comes from a line
of shock jocks.
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You know, he's sort of happy
to portray himself
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as a bit of an asshole.
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- He got a reaction, no matter
what you thought of him.
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You wanted to throw stuff
at your radio,
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or you wanted to be
one of his gang.
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- It really was a "love him
or hate him" relationship.
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- If you wanna go into it,
let's go into it,
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but not today, because I got
other people who wanna talk
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and you're boring me.
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Good-bye.
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- I mean, he had the will
to do some stuff
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that was just outrageous.
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I mean, he walked
across the Brooklyn Bridge
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in a Speedo with a sausage
in his pants.
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I mean,
what are we talking about?
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- This business is about
ratings and revenue,
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and Craig Carton has proven
he can get both.
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6:03 a.m.
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Good morning, everybody!
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Boomer Esiason,
Craig Carton on The FAN.
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As you wake up this morning,
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the New York Jets have been
knocked out
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of the post season,
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but in addition to that,
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what else do you need to see
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to understand
that Mike Woodson can't coach?
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On the radio, I'm a big mouth,
I'm loud, I'm obnoxious,
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it's boisterous,
and I'm successful,
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and I'm gonna throw that
in everyone's face,
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because that's the type of show
I did.
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You have 500 other choices
on the radio
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and guess what you do.
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You listen to me.
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'Cause you can't live
without me.
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- Craig's on-air personality
is an act.
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It's a very polished,
well-rehearsed act.
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- He was funny, he was edgy,
he was into the show,
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but at the end of the day,
when the show was off,
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he became
one of the nicest people
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you ever wanna meet.
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- There are a lot of different
angles to that guy.
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There's Craig,
who is very thoughtful,
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very kind, very timid, very shy,
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and then there's Carton.
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- You have to listen
with your ears,
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not with your fat face.
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- And he's an asshole.
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- But off the air, he's kind.
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He's generous.
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- He also cared about charities
that he worked with.
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You know, fire department,
police department,
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the 9/11 first responders.
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- You're the brave men
and women that show up,
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and we're indebted to you
for doing that.
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- He has compassion for kids
who are misunderstood,
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'cause I think
that's how he sees himself
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when he was growing up.
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- When I say "camp,"
you say "Carton."
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Carton!
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Carton!
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- I love Craig.
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I owe a lot to him
for our success on radio.
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We were a team.
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We had the world
by the balls, man.
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We had built the brand,
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and the brand
was unbelievably popular,
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and he went off the wagon
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or however you wanna describe it
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and just, you know, ruined
what we all had.
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- July 6, 2019.
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Day 20.
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This is my first month
in prison,
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and I'm keeping this journal
as a part of rehab.
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I'm just another prisoner,
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and everything I own fits
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into this 7 foot
by 7 foot cubicle.
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Lunch is at 10:00
in the morning,
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and dinner at 3:00
in the afternoon.
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Every meal seems to be served
with rice and beans.
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One wrong move here
and they send you to the hole,
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solitary confinement
in the big house next door.
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Lewisburg is a notorious prison.
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Jimmy Hoffa and John Gotti
did time here.
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Ever since I was a kid,
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my greatest fear
was being sent to prison.
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My dad once had me locked
in a cell
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in our local police station
for a couple of minutes.
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That was only a prank.
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This is all too real.
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From the outside looking in,
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we had a very basic, typical,
middle-class family.
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I had an older brother
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and a younger sister.
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- My dad's name was Paul.
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He was an orthopedic surgeon,
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had a very small practice
in Yonkers, New York.
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My mother's name was Bobbi.
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She used to be
a registered nurse,
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then became a real estate agent.
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I was a good athlete
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and I had my core group
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of, you know,
five or six buddies.
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You know, we did
what normal kids
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in the '70s and '80s did.
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Play outside
as much as possible.
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We'd play cards
on Friday nights.
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I got Intellivision.
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It was a gaming console
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which had blackjack
and craps on it.
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I turned that
into a living room casino,
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and that came to an end
when a kid's father came
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to our front door,
knocked on it.
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He goes, "With all due respect,
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"if you just look
in your backyard,
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my son's bike is there."
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"Why is your son's bike here?"
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"He lost it to your son
in a game of blackjack."
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I mean, I was a middle schooler
at that time.
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Now, I know my parents love me,
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but they just never said it.
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I didn't think
that my voice mattered,
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so I was always fighting
for approval,
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and I grew up,
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you know, very protective
of my emotions.
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I was also hiding
from some childhood trauma,
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demons I had
mentally, emotionally,
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and that goes back to something
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I didn't tell anyone about.
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Something I clearly built up
bad coping habits
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to get through it.
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Living a life of secrets
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and lying and protecting myself
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really became my salvation
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and my life preserver.
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And I've been doing it
ever since.
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When I left home at 18
for college,
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I got into Syracuse
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and was enrolled there
in the fall of 1987.
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I majored
in broadcast journalism.
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Good evening and welcome
to "Sports Look Tonight."
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I'm Craig Carton, and tonight,
we'll take a look
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at how the Celtics are doing
without Bird.
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I got very little experience,
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so I immersed myself
in being on the radio,
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and I fell in love with it.
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Radio allowed me to be
whoever I wanted to be.
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It gave me an outlet
to be opinionated,
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to be boisterous, to be loud,
to be confident,
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all the things I really wasn't
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in my interpersonal
relationships,
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so I basically was able
to create
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an on-air version of myself
that I liked.
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When you turned on a microphone
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in front of my mouth,
I could just do it,
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and that's what I did.
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- WGR with Craig Carton.
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- Yeah!
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The weekend is back.
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Here on 3WE.
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A little bit less
than a half hour to go.
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"Sportsline" and you till 7:00.
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Craig Carton...
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Sports radio, 610 WIP.
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Well, a lot of stuff going on
this morning.
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It's a radio station in Denver.
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You're on the air.
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We're doing a search for Busch
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and we're wondering
if you have Busch.
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Is this a joke? both: No.
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- We're doing a search
for Busch.
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It's called a radio show.
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I always viewed it as that.
It's a show.
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So I'm putting on a performance.
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Doesn't get any weaker
than that.
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Lethargic. Pathetic.
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I mean, if I had a thesaurus,
I'd give you ten other words
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to describe
how the Cavs played yesterday.
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I wanted to be the guy
that had the balls to say
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what most people are thinking
without fear of retribution.
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- He's shown in every market
that he's been in
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that he gets ratings,
that he pushes buttons,
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he creates headlines.
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For an audience,
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if they love him
or they hate him,
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they can't resist him.
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- Is this a picture
of your daughter?
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This is not
an attractive daughter.
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I got an email one day
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that the morning show at WNEW
in New York,
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they had just fired
one of the hosts,
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and they hired me
off of two demo shows.
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The "Sports Guys," WNEW,
here in New York City.
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I was now the morning man
in the city I grew up in.
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Sid Rosenberg was the cohost.
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- We became very friendly
very, very quickly,
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and he was really okay
being that second guy, right?
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"I just got here.
You've been here, Sid.
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You're the host of the show.
You're the guy."
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- Hey, I got a new tagline
for you.
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"One sports guru,
one sports idiot."
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- Why would you refer to Sid
as a sports idiot?
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- No, it's not... Craig.
It's not Sidney.
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- Oh.
- It's Craig.
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Craig, come on.
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You gotta get off the horse.
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- He agreed to be
that second wheel
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until one Monday morning
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when I saw Craig
sitting in the host's chair.
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He was the better talent.
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He should've been in that chair.
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But when you come up
a month or two before
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with your tail between your legs
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and your balls
basically in your mouth,
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thankful to God
you got this job,
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you don't sit
in the host's chair.
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So needless to say,
that Monday morning
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was the very beginning
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of what turned out to be
many, many years
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of a hateful relationship.
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- In December of 2001,
they said,
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"Well, you're not being fired,
but you're not being renewed."
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So I walked
into a last place show
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and left... I'm pretty sure
it was a last place show.
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And in May of 2002,
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I started doing
the afternoon show
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in New Jersey.
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2:34, "Jersey Guys."
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Craig Carton and Ray Rossi.
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- He was one of the Jersey Guys
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on New Jersey 101.5.
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Craig was one
of the afternoon drive guys,
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and I was the United States
Attorney at the time,
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and that's how we first met
and we became friends.
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- I got in a lot of trouble
publicly,
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but I always viewed that
as a good thing.
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Instead of saying West Virginia,
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you know what they put
on the screen
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on ESPN last night?
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What? - West Virgina.
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Very quickly became
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the most listened to
afternoon show in America.
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- I had the best seat
in the house.
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I was sitting back ringside
watching it all happen.
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He got to pull back
a lot of the curtain on things
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because he wasn't afraid
to expose you.
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He wasn't afraid
to call people out.
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- The real question
was gonna be,
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would his outrageousness on-air,
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would that prevent
a bigger broadcaster
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from being willing
to take a chance on him?
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- And I'm sitting there one day
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and Don Imus utters the words,
"nappy-headed hos."
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Those words changed my life.
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- Some rough girls from Rutgers.
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Man, they got tattoos and...
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That's some
nappy-headed hos there,
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I'm gonna tell you that now.
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- Don Imus got suspended
and then fired for what he said
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about the Rutgers women's
basketball team.
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- "Imus in the Morning"
had been a legendary show
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and really had helped create
what became WFAN,
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the most important
sports talk show station
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in the country.
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- The FAN, Sports Radio 66.
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- When Imus was removed
from the air,
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it was a giant blow.
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It was ratings,
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but even more so,
it was revenue.
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- Everyone well-known Tom,
Dick, and Harry wanted the job
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'cause, you know,
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it's the single best platform
in radio.
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- I tried Jim Cramer,
I tried Lou Dobbs,
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I tried Joe Scarborough,
I tried the McEnroe brothers,
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I teamed up Boomer Esiason
with Monica Crowley.
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00:16:20,208 --> 00:16:22,083
Thought the show
was a little too political.
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00:16:22,166 --> 00:16:25,667
I said, "I don't think that's
the direction we wanna go."
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- I got a phone call,
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and they asked
if I'd be interested
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in doing the morning show
at WFAN.
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- Craig and I talked a lot
about the really short leash
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that his contract
was putting him on,
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and if he did anything
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that they found to be
objectionable, distasteful,
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that they could
terminate him immediately,
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and I said to him, "I think
that's the only contract
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"you're gonna get to sign.
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So I'd sign it if I were you
and behave yourself."
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00:16:54,917 --> 00:16:56,101
- They wanted me to have
a cohost,
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and I said,
"Who's the cohost gonna be?"
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And they said,
"New Yorkers love him.
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"He was a quarterback,
he's blond,
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and he played in New York."
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And I said, "Great. Phil Simms.
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He'll be a great partner."
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00:17:09,625 --> 00:17:12,291
And they said, "No, this one
didn't win the Super Bowl."
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00:17:12,375 --> 00:17:13,393
And I've always made the joke,
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00:17:13,417 --> 00:17:15,333
I was like, "Shit, it's Boomer?"
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00:17:15,417 --> 00:17:16,601
- Well, I mentioned it
to Boomer,
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00:17:16,625 --> 00:17:18,601
and he didn't wanna have
anything to do with Craig.
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I said, "Boomer,
he's really talented
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"and, you know,
it might be a good mix.
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It's worth a shot."
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00:17:26,417 --> 00:17:28,417
- We met at the Brooklyn Diner.
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Kay, we had never met before,
and he said...
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- "Let it rip
and let's see what happens."
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6:06 on The FAN.
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Good morning and welcome
to the first ever edition
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of the "Boomer and Carton" show.
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Boomer Esiason, Craig Carton.
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Good morning, Boomer, buddy boy.
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How are you today?
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- I'm wide awake
this morning, Craig.
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It's good to see you.
It's great to work with you.
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00:17:45,208 --> 00:17:47,250
- When they brought in
"Boomer and Carton,"
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they didn't know that they'd
be able to replace Imus,
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00:17:49,625 --> 00:17:51,417
and they made it
a number one hit.
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00:17:51,500 --> 00:17:52,768
- You know what's happening
right now?
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Every guy that listens
to this show,
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all 3.7 million of 'em, right?
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00:17:56,959 --> 00:17:59,000
- Boomer's sports knowledge
was great,
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00:17:59,083 --> 00:18:00,834
and I knew Craig
was an entertainer.
401
00:18:00,917 --> 00:18:02,601
No one gave them a prayer,
402
00:18:02,625 --> 00:18:04,583
but here, 3 1/2 years later,
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00:18:04,667 --> 00:18:06,625
they dominate
the radio landscape
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00:18:06,709 --> 00:18:08,250
with booger jokes.
405
00:18:08,333 --> 00:18:10,750
- He was able to articulate
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00:18:10,834 --> 00:18:14,750
just absolutely crazy opinions
with a straight face.
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00:18:14,834 --> 00:18:15,875
- Dwarves.
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00:18:15,959 --> 00:18:17,309
That's my answer.
- That's your answer.
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00:18:17,333 --> 00:18:19,542
- You bring out...
You give every dwarf
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00:18:19,625 --> 00:18:20,750
in the tristate area...
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00:18:20,834 --> 00:18:22,518
- A free ticket.
- A free ticket to the game.
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00:18:22,542 --> 00:18:25,625
- The only time
that I even was concerned,
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00:18:25,709 --> 00:18:28,083
they would sometimes make
what they call fart jokes.
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00:18:28,166 --> 00:18:30,709
That's right. I had gas.
415
00:18:30,792 --> 00:18:34,625
- They don't need five minutes
of gas noises.
416
00:18:34,709 --> 00:18:36,834
- And the TV aspect of it,
417
00:18:36,917 --> 00:18:41,250
by being on CBS Sports Network
and also on MSG Network,
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00:18:41,333 --> 00:18:42,750
that just gave it a bigger feel.
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00:18:47,041 --> 00:18:49,041
- The thing I did very well
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00:18:49,125 --> 00:18:51,291
was create compelling content
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00:18:51,375 --> 00:18:54,291
where the listeners,
even if they didn't like me,
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00:18:54,375 --> 00:18:56,834
didn't wanna miss
what I was gonna say next.
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00:18:56,917 --> 00:18:59,083
- Oh, my God.
424
00:18:59,166 --> 00:19:01,792
- I wanna make love
to Mark Sanchez
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00:19:01,875 --> 00:19:03,959
while Rex Ryan tickles my feet.
426
00:19:04,041 --> 00:19:06,291
- He was the crazy,
zany radio guy
427
00:19:06,375 --> 00:19:08,291
that had ludicrous ideas,
428
00:19:08,375 --> 00:19:10,291
and then you had
the common sense athlete
429
00:19:10,375 --> 00:19:12,583
that would be like,
"Look at this idiot."
430
00:19:12,667 --> 00:19:14,375
- So I'm just gonna put 'em in.
- Hey.
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00:19:14,458 --> 00:19:15,667
- Okay, now I want you to take
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00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:16,851
an M&M out of the cup
and eat it.
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00:19:16,875 --> 00:19:18,309
- You know what,
Gary Bettman right now...
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00:19:18,333 --> 00:19:19,726
- Loves me.
- Is just absolutely sweating.
435
00:19:19,750 --> 00:19:20,959
- Do you want me to eat it?
436
00:19:21,041 --> 00:19:22,166
- He knew what he was doing.
437
00:19:22,250 --> 00:19:23,625
He was the fire starter,
438
00:19:23,709 --> 00:19:25,583
and I knew that I had to be
the older brother,
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00:19:25,667 --> 00:19:26,834
I had to be the mature one,
440
00:19:26,917 --> 00:19:28,166
I had to play off of him.
441
00:19:31,583 --> 00:19:33,226
- I mean, we can't all,
you know, tuck our shirts in
442
00:19:33,250 --> 00:19:35,041
and pull our jeans up
to our nipples, Boomer.
443
00:19:35,125 --> 00:19:38,333
I mean, some of us actually
like to be casual and relaxed.
444
00:19:38,417 --> 00:19:41,333
- Although Boomer
was the true quarterback,
445
00:19:41,417 --> 00:19:43,208
Craig was the radio quarterback.
446
00:19:43,291 --> 00:19:44,643
- I have a lot to say today.
I just started.
447
00:19:44,667 --> 00:19:46,226
I wanted to get to you quickly.
- Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
448
00:19:46,250 --> 00:19:47,850
Yeah, you had a lot to say
last week too.
449
00:19:47,917 --> 00:19:48,834
- Yeah, I did.
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00:19:48,917 --> 00:19:50,059
- You have to be
thought-provoking
451
00:19:50,083 --> 00:19:52,959
and entertaining and nasty
and nice.
452
00:19:53,041 --> 00:19:54,375
You have to evoke emotion.
453
00:19:55,875 --> 00:19:58,208
Just so... I gotta tell you,
the Yankees are great.
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00:19:58,291 --> 00:20:00,458
- And you can't teach it.
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00:20:00,542 --> 00:20:01,792
Craig's got it.
456
00:20:01,875 --> 00:20:03,208
- Right, so zip your lip.
457
00:20:03,291 --> 00:20:05,750
I mean, you decided
to get a job in TV,
458
00:20:05,834 --> 00:20:07,017
and you ain't that attractive.
459
00:20:07,041 --> 00:20:08,351
- There's almost
something Trumpian
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00:20:08,375 --> 00:20:12,417
about his nose
for what will work on TV,
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00:20:12,500 --> 00:20:13,667
what will work for a crowd.
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00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:14,750
Bang! - One more.
463
00:20:14,834 --> 00:20:16,041
Bam! Bam!
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00:20:16,125 --> 00:20:17,559
- One more, one more, one more.
- Nice!
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00:20:17,583 --> 00:20:19,917
- He clearly had
this great knack
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00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,709
for radio performance.
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00:20:21,792 --> 00:20:22,875
- We will play the audio
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00:20:22,959 --> 00:20:24,583
of the foot fetish video
for you...
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00:20:24,667 --> 00:20:26,875
- Why?
- At 7:10 this morning.
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00:20:26,959 --> 00:20:29,166
- Why?
- 'Cause it's what we do.
471
00:20:29,250 --> 00:20:32,041
What made "Boomer and Carton"
special was
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00:20:32,125 --> 00:20:34,583
the thing that came
most natural to us,
473
00:20:34,667 --> 00:20:37,000
and that was our
on-air relationship.
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00:20:37,083 --> 00:20:39,208
- Went out and framed
your article
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00:20:39,291 --> 00:20:40,571
that was in
"The New York Times."
476
00:20:40,625 --> 00:20:42,250
- That's a nice frame
you did there.
477
00:20:42,333 --> 00:20:43,434
"What were you doing
when I was playing
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00:20:43,458 --> 00:20:44,498
"in the Super Bowl, Craig?
479
00:20:44,542 --> 00:20:46,709
You were inside, probably
playing Intellivision."
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00:20:46,792 --> 00:20:48,834
- As goofy as you are
on the radio
481
00:20:48,917 --> 00:20:51,667
is as good a dad as you are
at home.
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00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:53,625
- Well, thanks.
- You are a tremendous father.
483
00:20:53,709 --> 00:20:55,625
- It got better and better
from year to year.
484
00:20:55,709 --> 00:20:58,458
The closer they became,
the better the show became.
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00:20:59,542 --> 00:21:01,959
J! E! T! S!
486
00:21:02,041 --> 00:21:04,458
Jets! Jets! Jets!
487
00:21:04,542 --> 00:21:06,959
- He made Boomer laugh
a lot more.
488
00:21:07,041 --> 00:21:08,226
Boomer would sometimes sit there
489
00:21:08,250 --> 00:21:09,875
with his arms folded like this
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00:21:09,959 --> 00:21:11,959
just listening
to what Craig had to say
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00:21:12,041 --> 00:21:13,041
and belly laughing.
492
00:21:13,125 --> 00:21:14,709
- Your name is Punto!
493
00:21:17,542 --> 00:21:19,542
Boomer's wearing
the Pajamagram hoodie footies
494
00:21:19,625 --> 00:21:21,083
and really getting into it.
495
00:21:23,291 --> 00:21:24,917
Let me see what you got here.
496
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,250
Oh, yes. -
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00:21:27,333 --> 00:21:29,458
- I've seen guys that are famous
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00:21:29,542 --> 00:21:31,750
from something other than radio
come into radio
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00:21:31,834 --> 00:21:34,375
and they don't really like you
busting their balls.
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00:21:34,458 --> 00:21:35,959
- I have procured...
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00:21:36,041 --> 00:21:38,917
- Boomer was okay
being made fun of.
502
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,351
- That's a handsome guy
right there.
503
00:21:40,375 --> 00:21:43,625
- The oil painting
of Boomer Esiason
504
00:21:43,709 --> 00:21:46,041
that he does keep in his home.
505
00:21:46,125 --> 00:21:47,291
How 'bout that?
506
00:21:47,375 --> 00:21:50,625
My greatest gift to him
was humanizing him.
507
00:21:50,709 --> 00:21:53,291
I made Boomer Esiason
a real person
508
00:21:53,375 --> 00:21:55,542
with a family and a dog,
509
00:21:55,625 --> 00:21:59,125
put his pants on
the way we put our pants on.
510
00:21:59,208 --> 00:22:02,291
And the greatest gift
he gave me was,
511
00:22:02,375 --> 00:22:06,166
he bought into my vision
512
00:22:06,250 --> 00:22:08,333
of what would make
the show successful.
513
00:22:08,417 --> 00:22:11,250
It's surreal that I'm the guy
on the morning drive show
514
00:22:11,333 --> 00:22:13,458
that Imus held for all
those years successfully,
515
00:22:13,542 --> 00:22:15,542
and we get to do that
every single day.
516
00:22:15,625 --> 00:22:17,667
They overpay me,
unless they're here,
517
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:19,083
and then
you underpay me greatly.
518
00:22:20,125 --> 00:22:22,333
I wanted
to prove everybody wrong
519
00:22:22,417 --> 00:22:24,083
that said I wasn't good enough
520
00:22:24,166 --> 00:22:27,667
to be major market successful.
521
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:32,208
You know, the vindictiveness
of proving people wrong,
522
00:22:32,291 --> 00:22:35,458
to this day,
is very important to me.
523
00:22:35,542 --> 00:22:39,166
It's a driving force of my life.
524
00:22:43,792 --> 00:22:45,208
Day 68.
525
00:22:49,250 --> 00:22:51,792
One guy here says
he's a member of the mafia.
526
00:22:51,875 --> 00:22:55,250
He tries to talk tough
and use Italian phrases.
527
00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:57,375
One guy here really is mafia
528
00:22:57,458 --> 00:23:00,375
and made a call
to check him out.
529
00:23:00,458 --> 00:23:02,917
Turns out the guy
is full of shit.
530
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,500
So he's been given
the unforgettable nickname
531
00:23:05,583 --> 00:23:09,041
Phony Soprano.
532
00:23:09,125 --> 00:23:12,792
Not long ago, I arranged
a huge charity softball game
533
00:23:12,875 --> 00:23:13,875
at Yankee Stadium.
534
00:23:13,917 --> 00:23:15,309
- Carton might try to go
all the way.
535
00:23:15,333 --> 00:23:16,417
- Come on home!
- Let's see.
536
00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:19,208
- Now, I've been drafted
by the Yankees
537
00:23:19,291 --> 00:23:21,458
in the prison softball league.
538
00:23:21,542 --> 00:23:24,375
There's trash talk,
and guys get into beefs.
539
00:23:24,458 --> 00:23:26,667
It's all pride and ego.
540
00:23:26,750 --> 00:23:28,041
So I say nothing.
541
00:23:31,375 --> 00:23:33,709
I feel like life's passing me by
542
00:23:33,792 --> 00:23:35,709
while I sit here.
543
00:23:35,792 --> 00:23:38,041
I wanna scream and explode.
544
00:23:38,125 --> 00:23:40,625
Every day feels like a marathon.
545
00:23:40,709 --> 00:23:44,375
My days used to be my shows
and planning new ventures.
546
00:23:44,458 --> 00:23:46,959
Now it's walking 3 miles,
547
00:23:47,041 --> 00:23:49,917
reading,
and learning to crochet.
548
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,417
Real men crochet.
549
00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:54,250
Or that's what I keep
telling myself.
550
00:24:00,542 --> 00:24:02,333
- Now let me ask you
this question:
551
00:24:02,417 --> 00:24:03,500
how are we doing the picks?
552
00:24:03,583 --> 00:24:05,309
Straight up, right?
These are straight picks?
553
00:24:05,333 --> 00:24:06,375
- Against the spread.
554
00:24:06,458 --> 00:24:07,476
- They are against the spread?
555
00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:08,685
- It's gotta be
against the spread.
556
00:24:08,709 --> 00:24:09,625
- No, I don't think it does.
557
00:24:09,709 --> 00:24:11,917
- How do you make picks
not with a spread?
558
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,417
I mean, what am I, 5 years old?
559
00:24:13,500 --> 00:24:14,643
- Just like we do it
on the NFL today.
560
00:24:14,667 --> 00:24:16,875
- I think
the Cowboys are gonna win.
561
00:24:16,959 --> 00:24:17,875
- Oh, you're an idiot.
562
00:24:17,959 --> 00:24:19,583
You really are.
- I mean, come on, dude.
563
00:24:19,667 --> 00:24:21,792
- Gambling was a big part
of the show.
564
00:24:21,875 --> 00:24:25,125
- The Green Bay Packers will
beat the Chicago Bears,
565
00:24:25,208 --> 00:24:27,625
and I also love the under.
566
00:24:27,709 --> 00:24:29,166
- Talking about the games
567
00:24:29,250 --> 00:24:31,500
and, you know, who to bet
here or there.
568
00:24:31,583 --> 00:24:32,851
- You can have your 2 grand back
569
00:24:32,875 --> 00:24:35,000
and I'll double it
and give you 2,000 more.
570
00:24:35,083 --> 00:24:38,792
Gambling has always been,
you know, a part of my life.
571
00:24:41,917 --> 00:24:44,125
- I always had an affinity
for gambling.
572
00:24:44,208 --> 00:24:45,500
I enjoyed it. I liked it.
573
00:24:45,583 --> 00:24:48,750
The action,
the energy in the room.
574
00:24:48,834 --> 00:24:50,959
I was a good card player
as a kid,
575
00:24:51,041 --> 00:24:52,125
but later on in life,
576
00:24:52,208 --> 00:24:56,125
the majority of my gambling
was sports-related.
577
00:24:56,208 --> 00:24:59,125
My biggest wager was probably
a thousand bucks,
578
00:24:59,208 --> 00:25:01,625
and it was many years later
579
00:25:01,709 --> 00:25:04,834
that I really started
playing blackjack.
580
00:25:04,917 --> 00:25:07,625
- Craig's infatuation
with gambling was never
581
00:25:07,709 --> 00:25:09,458
a secret to me.
582
00:25:09,542 --> 00:25:11,709
Even when we were at 101.5
with the Jersey Guys,
583
00:25:11,792 --> 00:25:13,542
we would be in Atlantic City.
584
00:25:13,625 --> 00:25:17,125
The tables were $10 a hand
up to $200 a hand,
585
00:25:17,208 --> 00:25:19,166
and even at that time,
he was a social butterfly,
586
00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:21,000
spinning around,
going from table to table,
587
00:25:21,083 --> 00:25:24,125
having a good time, gambling.
588
00:25:24,208 --> 00:25:27,000
- About 2013, '14,
589
00:25:27,083 --> 00:25:29,208
I'm now playing more blackjack.
590
00:25:29,291 --> 00:25:31,125
I thought that if I treated it
591
00:25:31,208 --> 00:25:34,291
with the discipline
of a stockbroker
592
00:25:34,375 --> 00:25:36,333
and thought of it as a job
593
00:25:36,417 --> 00:25:38,542
that I could actually be
very lucrative doing it.
594
00:25:43,250 --> 00:25:44,500
- He could play one, two,
595
00:25:44,583 --> 00:25:46,917
sometimes three hands
at one time
596
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,375
and never skipped a beat.
597
00:25:48,458 --> 00:25:50,750
I've played blackjack.
I love playing blackjack.
598
00:25:50,834 --> 00:25:53,041
I have trouble with my one hand.
599
00:25:53,125 --> 00:25:55,208
- I had been around him
a couple times
600
00:25:55,291 --> 00:25:58,834
where he won a lot of money.
601
00:25:58,917 --> 00:26:00,101
I would start to think
to myself,
602
00:26:00,125 --> 00:26:03,041
"He has this figured out.
Why can't I figure this out?
603
00:26:03,125 --> 00:26:07,333
This seems like
great additional income."
604
00:26:07,417 --> 00:26:10,417
- When it came to gambling,
I thought I was the best at it
605
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:14,583
and I didn't think
any casino could beat me.
606
00:26:14,667 --> 00:26:17,583
The cockiness
that I'm really good at it,
607
00:26:17,667 --> 00:26:19,083
I'm gonna win,
608
00:26:19,166 --> 00:26:21,083
that plays into your ego.
609
00:26:21,166 --> 00:26:22,959
So there's an arrogance to it...
610
00:26:23,041 --> 00:26:23,917
There was for me, at least...
611
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,000
Where, you know,
I always compared it
612
00:26:26,083 --> 00:26:28,583
to Tiger Woods on a golf course,
613
00:26:28,667 --> 00:26:30,959
Michael Jordan
on a basketball court.
614
00:26:31,041 --> 00:26:33,583
When they stepped on the court
and the golf course,
615
00:26:33,667 --> 00:26:35,208
nothing else mattered.
616
00:26:35,291 --> 00:26:38,709
So when I sat down at a table
to play blackjack,
617
00:26:38,792 --> 00:26:40,709
nothing else mattered.
618
00:26:40,792 --> 00:26:42,125
- I'm not really a gambler,
619
00:26:42,208 --> 00:26:44,458
but Craig and I sat down
at a blackjack table,
620
00:26:44,542 --> 00:26:46,750
and after about 20 hands,
621
00:26:46,834 --> 00:26:49,458
I had won $3,500.
622
00:26:49,542 --> 00:26:52,000
And I said, "I'm done.
I'm leaving.
623
00:26:52,083 --> 00:26:53,625
I got my 3,500. I'm good."
624
00:26:53,709 --> 00:26:55,184
You know, everybody said,
"No, you gotta stay.
625
00:26:55,208 --> 00:26:57,583
You gotta stay."
I'm like, "No, I'm leaving."
626
00:26:57,667 --> 00:26:59,476
And really, when you think
about the difference
627
00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:02,417
between me and Craig
when it comes to gambling,
628
00:27:02,500 --> 00:27:03,750
there it is right there.
629
00:27:03,834 --> 00:27:06,083
I left, he stayed,
630
00:27:06,166 --> 00:27:08,500
and then later on came the bet
for the Borgata
631
00:27:08,583 --> 00:27:10,458
because I guess he felt like,
632
00:27:10,542 --> 00:27:12,834
you know, he had to prove
something to me.
633
00:27:12,917 --> 00:27:14,458
- We were doing a show
634
00:27:14,542 --> 00:27:16,792
at the Borgata in Atlantic City.
635
00:27:16,875 --> 00:27:18,017
We would go down there
once a year,
636
00:27:18,041 --> 00:27:20,000
do a broadcast from down there.
637
00:27:20,083 --> 00:27:22,500
- In a strange way,
it kinda happened overnight.
638
00:27:22,583 --> 00:27:24,792
An infamous event
called the Boomer Bet.
639
00:27:24,875 --> 00:27:27,458
- If you show me
how to win some money.
640
00:27:27,542 --> 00:27:29,291
- Here's what I would do
for you at Borgata.
641
00:27:29,375 --> 00:27:31,625
You just have to take
the leap of faith.
642
00:27:31,709 --> 00:27:35,208
- He was on such a roll
and so cocky and confident
643
00:27:35,291 --> 00:27:37,125
with his blackjack winning,
644
00:27:37,208 --> 00:27:39,792
Craig brought up on the air
645
00:27:39,875 --> 00:27:42,625
that he would double
Boomer's money.
646
00:27:42,709 --> 00:27:45,125
- Talking about
what a great gambler he was
647
00:27:45,208 --> 00:27:47,667
and that he could take $10,000
of my money
648
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:50,166
and double it
and all this other...
649
00:27:50,250 --> 00:27:52,125
I said, "Oh, really?
You could double my money?
650
00:27:52,208 --> 00:27:53,125
You could double my money?"
651
00:27:53,208 --> 00:27:54,688
And I just kept, you know,
pushing him
652
00:27:54,750 --> 00:27:55,893
and pushing him and pushing him,
653
00:27:55,917 --> 00:27:57,393
and he kept saying, "Yeah,
I could double your money.
654
00:27:57,417 --> 00:27:58,333
I could double your money."
655
00:27:58,417 --> 00:28:00,291
How 'bout if I give you
10 grand?
656
00:28:00,375 --> 00:28:02,000
- If you gave me 10 grand?
- Yeah.
657
00:28:02,083 --> 00:28:04,667
- I'd guarantee you 25,000.
658
00:28:04,750 --> 00:28:06,250
- Guarantee me... I'm in.
659
00:28:06,333 --> 00:28:09,834
- To guarantee a win
is just stupid,
660
00:28:09,917 --> 00:28:12,667
but I said it on the air
and he called me on it.
661
00:28:16,041 --> 00:28:20,000
Boomer came into the studio
with $10,000 in cash
662
00:28:20,083 --> 00:28:23,834
and counted out
every single $100 bill.
663
00:28:23,917 --> 00:28:25,208
- I gave him 10 grand.
664
00:28:25,291 --> 00:28:26,834
It was crazy radio.
665
00:28:26,917 --> 00:28:28,750
You had gambling and the Borgata
666
00:28:28,834 --> 00:28:30,500
and money and cash.
667
00:28:30,583 --> 00:28:32,333
- We talk it up and talk it up
668
00:28:32,417 --> 00:28:35,208
for the weeks leading up
to this Borgata remote.
669
00:28:35,291 --> 00:28:36,750
- I remember
listeners calling up
670
00:28:36,834 --> 00:28:38,834
and saying, you know,
"You're full of baloney.
671
00:28:38,917 --> 00:28:41,542
You're not doing that.
That's not real money."
672
00:28:41,625 --> 00:28:42,685
- Alan and I were, like, trying
673
00:28:42,709 --> 00:28:44,000
to do the math in our heads,
674
00:28:44,083 --> 00:28:46,750
saying, like,
"How is this gonna work?"
675
00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:52,250
- That night,
I won about $80,000
676
00:28:52,333 --> 00:28:53,333
playing blackjack.
677
00:28:53,417 --> 00:28:55,041
"Boomer and Carton"
live at the Borgata.
678
00:28:55,125 --> 00:28:57,000
We're inside the B Bar.
679
00:28:57,083 --> 00:28:58,542
At 11:00 this morning,
680
00:28:58,625 --> 00:29:00,917
it's the first ever
"Boomer and Carton" deep stack
681
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,542
Texas Hold'em tournament.
682
00:29:02,625 --> 00:29:05,041
Normally, when we did our show
at the Borgata,
683
00:29:05,125 --> 00:29:06,208
a hundred people came
684
00:29:06,291 --> 00:29:08,834
to watch us do the show
Friday morning.
685
00:29:08,917 --> 00:29:10,166
That Friday morning,
686
00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:12,583
there might have been
a thousand people there.
687
00:29:12,667 --> 00:29:14,834
- Craig has a sack of cash.
688
00:29:14,917 --> 00:29:18,041
He takes it, puts it down
on the desk,
689
00:29:18,125 --> 00:29:20,750
and presented to Boomer,
690
00:29:20,834 --> 00:29:23,291
and there was much rejoicing.
691
00:29:23,375 --> 00:29:26,000
- So I gave him the 25 grand.
The place goes crazy.
692
00:29:26,083 --> 00:29:28,917
- And that bet
was the coolest thing
693
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,291
and, as it's turned out,
694
00:29:30,375 --> 00:29:33,291
probably the worst thing
that's ever happened.
695
00:29:33,375 --> 00:29:35,083
- The real problem
with the Boomer Bet
696
00:29:35,166 --> 00:29:36,583
is that I won.
697
00:29:36,667 --> 00:29:38,792
As a result of that win,
698
00:29:38,875 --> 00:29:42,417
I'm now, you know,
the blackjack whisperer.
699
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:44,041
- I would get calls
from callers,
700
00:29:44,125 --> 00:29:45,917
"Hey, let me give Craig
10 grand."
701
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:46,917
You know, I'd hang up on 'em.
702
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,309
I never would
put anybody through,
703
00:29:48,333 --> 00:29:50,417
'cause that seemed silly to me.
704
00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:53,917
Well, he's not gonna take
some random dude's $10,000
705
00:29:54,041 --> 00:29:55,125
and promise to double it.
706
00:29:55,208 --> 00:29:56,583
That didn't make sense.
707
00:29:56,667 --> 00:29:57,959
- So I started to get approached
708
00:29:58,041 --> 00:29:59,959
by a number of these types
of people
709
00:30:00,041 --> 00:30:02,959
who heard the bet,
knew that I had paid it off,
710
00:30:03,041 --> 00:30:04,041
and then wanted to know
711
00:30:04,083 --> 00:30:06,000
if I wanted to be in business
with them.
712
00:30:06,083 --> 00:30:09,458
"Hey, Craig, I'll give you
100,000 bucks.
713
00:30:09,542 --> 00:30:12,792
Give me 110,000 back
next month."
714
00:30:12,875 --> 00:30:14,458
- That's where
the craziness began,
715
00:30:14,542 --> 00:30:17,291
and I guess it just got worse
and worse and worse for him.
716
00:30:27,041 --> 00:30:29,291
- Once people started
giving me money to gamble
717
00:30:29,375 --> 00:30:32,458
on a regular basis,
and significant sums of money,
718
00:30:32,542 --> 00:30:36,542
then I was all in.
719
00:30:36,625 --> 00:30:38,375
There were
four different individuals,
720
00:30:38,458 --> 00:30:40,750
two of whom I've never met
to this day,
721
00:30:40,834 --> 00:30:44,291
who extended me loans
upwards of a million dollars.
722
00:30:44,375 --> 00:30:46,917
There were times
when I met a buddy
723
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,166
on a street corner
in New York City
724
00:30:49,250 --> 00:30:51,375
and he would hand me a knapsack,
725
00:30:51,458 --> 00:30:54,750
and inside that knapsack
was a million dollars cash.
726
00:30:56,375 --> 00:30:58,166
Blackjack became a drug for me.
727
00:31:01,041 --> 00:31:04,542
- A blackjack player is like
somebody doing cocaine.
728
00:31:04,625 --> 00:31:08,959
You have to keep taking cocaine
to maintain that rush,
729
00:31:09,041 --> 00:31:11,041
and blackjack
is extremely similar.
730
00:31:17,125 --> 00:31:19,000
- Everyone knew that I gambled.
731
00:31:19,083 --> 00:31:20,417
They all knew I liked to gamble.
732
00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:23,208
Nobody knew
the amounts I was gambling.
733
00:31:23,291 --> 00:31:26,583
There was one time
I won $325,000
734
00:31:26,667 --> 00:31:28,542
in, like, nine minutes.
735
00:31:28,625 --> 00:31:31,959
Two hands, $15,000 per hand,
736
00:31:32,041 --> 00:31:35,083
so 30,000 bucks every deal.
737
00:31:35,166 --> 00:31:36,834
I won 325 grand
738
00:31:36,917 --> 00:31:40,166
and walked out the door
to go to work.
739
00:31:47,959 --> 00:31:49,417
When I decided
I wanted to gamble,
740
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:52,041
I would reach out
to one of the investors.
741
00:31:52,125 --> 00:31:54,250
I would then wire that money
to the casino.
742
00:31:54,333 --> 00:31:57,041
It's called front money.
743
00:31:57,125 --> 00:31:59,917
Most of the time,
I was there after I worked,
744
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,083
and I would go there
right after a show.
745
00:32:03,166 --> 00:32:04,184
- If you really think about it,
746
00:32:04,208 --> 00:32:06,458
what normal person,
at 12:00 noon,
747
00:32:06,542 --> 00:32:08,750
decides to drive 2 1/2 hours
748
00:32:08,834 --> 00:32:10,375
to go play blackjack for an hour
749
00:32:10,458 --> 00:32:11,583
to drive back 2 1/2 hours?
750
00:32:11,667 --> 00:32:12,750
I mean, think about that.
751
00:32:12,834 --> 00:32:17,250
Five hours of driving
to play blackjack for an hour?
752
00:32:17,333 --> 00:32:19,208
Who the... why?
753
00:32:19,291 --> 00:32:21,583
- When I was gambling
late at night, nobody knew.
754
00:32:21,667 --> 00:32:23,417
I didn't tell anybody.
755
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:25,375
I would leave my apartment
at midnight,
756
00:32:25,458 --> 00:32:27,959
everyone was sleeping,
and I was gone.
757
00:32:29,667 --> 00:32:32,458
I got on a helicopter
in New York City
758
00:32:32,542 --> 00:32:34,917
and flew to Atlantic City.
759
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,250
I had a $600,000 wire
760
00:32:37,333 --> 00:32:39,917
that was sent on my behalf,
761
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,166
and I wagered
from about 1:00 in the morning
762
00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:44,792
to 3:30.
763
00:32:44,875 --> 00:32:46,166
3:30 was always the cutoff time
764
00:32:46,250 --> 00:32:48,333
for me to be able to get back
on a helicopter
765
00:32:48,417 --> 00:32:49,667
and fly back to the city
766
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:52,500
to make it
to the Tribeca Radio Studios,
767
00:32:52,583 --> 00:32:53,667
where WFAN was.
768
00:33:00,250 --> 00:33:02,542
Good morning, everybody!
769
00:33:02,625 --> 00:33:05,792
6:03, Boomer Esiason,
Craig Carton,
770
00:33:05,875 --> 00:33:08,417
on The FAN.
771
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:11,000
I didn't realize that
I was an addict at the time.
772
00:33:11,083 --> 00:33:13,125
I really loved playing,
773
00:33:13,208 --> 00:33:14,750
and I convinced myself
774
00:33:14,834 --> 00:33:16,685
you know, as long as I'm doing
a good radio show
775
00:33:16,709 --> 00:33:19,625
and we're number one
and they don't know about it,
776
00:33:19,709 --> 00:33:21,250
well, I'll just continue
to do it.
777
00:33:21,333 --> 00:33:23,208
I will give the Jets credit
for this.
778
00:33:23,291 --> 00:33:24,583
We'll start Jets, I guess, okay?
779
00:33:24,667 --> 00:33:26,709
- All right.
- Jets are down three...
780
00:33:26,792 --> 00:33:28,500
Gambling aside,
I always got involved
781
00:33:28,583 --> 00:33:30,291
in other types of businesses.
782
00:33:30,375 --> 00:33:32,709
- Craig was one of those guys
that always had an idea.
783
00:33:32,792 --> 00:33:35,000
He always had, you know,
the next big thing.
784
00:33:35,083 --> 00:33:38,542
- I have a cologne deal.
785
00:33:38,625 --> 00:33:40,351
- You have a cologne deal.
- I have a cologne deal.
786
00:33:40,375 --> 00:33:42,875
- That's what I wanna do.
I wanna smell like Craigy.
787
00:33:42,959 --> 00:33:44,500
What's the name of it
gonna be called?
788
00:33:44,583 --> 00:33:45,500
Fart?
789
00:33:45,583 --> 00:33:47,166
- He felt he was a businessman.
790
00:33:47,250 --> 00:33:48,810
Like, he thought he
was a real businessman,
791
00:33:48,834 --> 00:33:50,000
not just a radio personality.
792
00:33:50,083 --> 00:33:53,291
- There were a million
of these little side projects.
793
00:33:53,375 --> 00:33:56,125
- I did come up with another
genius idea this weekend.
794
00:33:56,208 --> 00:33:57,834
Junk Balm.
795
00:33:57,917 --> 00:33:59,000
- Which is, like, deodorant
796
00:33:59,083 --> 00:34:02,667
for your nether regions,
I guess.
797
00:34:02,750 --> 00:34:06,583
- Al and I always thought,
"Just do the show.
798
00:34:06,667 --> 00:34:08,917
Why do you have to do
all this other stuff?"
799
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,667
- You know, he was sort of
a serial entrepreneur.
800
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:14,709
He had this sort of
restless spirit.
801
00:34:14,792 --> 00:34:17,834
He obviously wanted to do more
than just talk on the radio.
802
00:34:17,917 --> 00:34:20,208
- I think Craig wanted
to see himself
803
00:34:20,291 --> 00:34:23,709
as a, you know, $20 million
a year entertainer,
804
00:34:23,792 --> 00:34:24,709
where he wanted to live
805
00:34:24,792 --> 00:34:26,059
in the penthouse
in New York City,
806
00:34:26,083 --> 00:34:28,375
where he wanted his kids
to go to private school
807
00:34:28,458 --> 00:34:30,101
and he wanted to make sure
that he could drive
808
00:34:30,125 --> 00:34:32,375
around New York City
with a driver.
809
00:34:32,458 --> 00:34:34,875
At the end of the day,
he was always striving,
810
00:34:34,959 --> 00:34:38,208
you know, for the next thing,
the next big thing.
811
00:34:38,291 --> 00:34:40,834
- If I was just content
being successful
812
00:34:40,917 --> 00:34:43,875
and number one on the radio,
813
00:34:43,959 --> 00:34:45,709
well, we wouldn't
be sitting here today.
814
00:34:48,667 --> 00:34:50,709
In May of 2016,
815
00:34:50,792 --> 00:34:53,417
I started a company
called Tier One Tickets
816
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:55,959
to resell tickets
to concert events
817
00:34:56,041 --> 00:34:58,000
on the secondary market.
818
00:34:58,083 --> 00:35:01,417
- Talent on the radio
doesn't equal talent
819
00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:02,750
in business,
820
00:35:02,834 --> 00:35:06,750
and I think he had a hard time
understanding that.
821
00:35:06,834 --> 00:35:08,309
- I will always remember
saying to him,
822
00:35:08,333 --> 00:35:10,375
"Just keep it real, man.
Always keep it real.
823
00:35:10,458 --> 00:35:12,625
"Don't get involved
with the wrong people.
824
00:35:12,709 --> 00:35:14,250
You gotta keep it real."
825
00:35:14,333 --> 00:35:16,142
- He surrounded himself
with some real beauties.
826
00:35:16,166 --> 00:35:19,917
Joe Meli, if he was a conman,
he was a brilliant conman.
827
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:20,917
Craig said, you know,
828
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,476
"He's the smartest person
I've ever met."
829
00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:23,940
He was, you know,
the smartest person
830
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,917
in every room we were ever in.
831
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,333
I think he was seduced
and besotted by Meli.
832
00:35:30,417 --> 00:35:33,417
- Everybody in
that ticket reselling business
833
00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:34,750
seemed scummy to me.
834
00:35:38,875 --> 00:35:41,166
- As we started to acquire
more tickets
835
00:35:41,250 --> 00:35:42,875
and sell more tickets,
836
00:35:42,959 --> 00:35:44,792
I reached out to a hedge fund
837
00:35:44,875 --> 00:35:47,291
to loan me money personally
838
00:35:47,375 --> 00:35:49,625
so that I could buy
even more tickets.
839
00:35:49,709 --> 00:35:51,959
The hedge fund gave me
$2 million
840
00:35:52,041 --> 00:35:55,417
specifically to invest
in the purchase of tickets.
841
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:58,000
I took $950,000 of it
842
00:35:58,083 --> 00:36:00,625
and used it
for gambling purposes.
843
00:36:00,709 --> 00:36:02,333
That was the single
biggest mistake
844
00:36:02,417 --> 00:36:03,917
I've made in my entire life.
845
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,125
It's at 2 1/2 right now.
846
00:36:06,208 --> 00:36:07,643
The "Boomer and Carton" program
does not condone
847
00:36:07,667 --> 00:36:08,792
illegal gambling.
848
00:36:08,875 --> 00:36:11,166
Bet it today
before it gets to 3.
849
00:36:11,250 --> 00:36:12,601
You don't wanna start
buying points.
850
00:36:12,625 --> 00:36:14,059
- All of us would hear him
talk about it
851
00:36:14,083 --> 00:36:15,625
both on the air and off the air
852
00:36:15,709 --> 00:36:18,959
about what a central part
of his life gambling,
853
00:36:19,041 --> 00:36:22,500
blackjack in particular,
was becoming.
854
00:36:22,583 --> 00:36:25,000
- I think he was in Bimini,
855
00:36:25,083 --> 00:36:27,125
and he told me he had won
$2 million.
856
00:36:28,709 --> 00:36:31,166
I said, "You're paying taxes
on that, right?"
857
00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:32,393
And he goes,
"Yeah, I gotta pay taxes."
858
00:36:32,417 --> 00:36:33,333
I said, "Fine.
859
00:36:33,417 --> 00:36:35,375
"Put half of that money away
for your kids
860
00:36:35,458 --> 00:36:37,083
"and their education.
861
00:36:37,166 --> 00:36:39,166
Don't do anything stupid
with it."
862
00:36:39,250 --> 00:36:41,667
I'll never forget
that conversation.
863
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:44,458
And then after that,
864
00:36:44,542 --> 00:36:46,291
that's the last I heard of it.
865
00:36:46,375 --> 00:36:48,625
You know, and I had no idea
how much he was gambling.
866
00:36:48,709 --> 00:36:50,349
I had no idea
where he got the money from.
867
00:36:50,417 --> 00:36:53,041
I had no idea that anybody
was contacting him.
868
00:36:53,125 --> 00:36:54,875
- I knew Craig liked to gamble
869
00:36:54,959 --> 00:36:56,267
'cause he talked about it
on the air.
870
00:36:56,291 --> 00:36:57,875
He wrote about it in his book.
871
00:36:57,959 --> 00:36:59,542
But that doesn't mean you know
872
00:36:59,625 --> 00:37:01,709
that somebody's gambling
millions of dollars.
873
00:37:01,792 --> 00:37:04,041
- I don't think there was one
person at that station
874
00:37:04,125 --> 00:37:06,875
that had any idea
how bad it was.
875
00:37:06,959 --> 00:37:10,542
- You know, how stupid were we
to not really see
876
00:37:10,625 --> 00:37:14,625
that this guy
was sort of falling apart?
877
00:37:14,709 --> 00:37:15,583
- I got to a level
878
00:37:15,667 --> 00:37:19,041
where I'm now wagering $125,000
879
00:37:19,125 --> 00:37:21,208
on the table to start.
880
00:37:21,291 --> 00:37:24,709
I was winning and losing
obscene amounts of money,
881
00:37:24,792 --> 00:37:27,041
and it didn't bother me.
882
00:37:27,125 --> 00:37:28,542
I just wanted to play more.
883
00:37:32,792 --> 00:37:36,875
The worst trip was,
an investor gave $1/2 million.
884
00:37:36,959 --> 00:37:39,083
He expected a 10% return.
885
00:37:39,166 --> 00:37:41,583
Everything beyond that, I keep.
886
00:37:41,667 --> 00:37:42,875
I was there to gamble,
887
00:37:42,959 --> 00:37:46,250
so I did it as much as I could.
888
00:37:46,333 --> 00:37:49,250
I fell asleep at the table
in the middle of a hand,
889
00:37:49,333 --> 00:37:51,375
and I remember waking up.
890
00:37:51,458 --> 00:37:54,291
I popped up and I said, "Hit,"
891
00:37:54,375 --> 00:37:56,375
and I won a $20,000 hand.
892
00:37:58,834 --> 00:38:02,583
In the first 12 hours,
I had his 550
893
00:38:02,667 --> 00:38:05,917
plus 1.5 million.
894
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,417
- There are so many incidences
895
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:10,625
where even a casino employee
says, "You're winning.
896
00:38:10,709 --> 00:38:12,041
Go home."
897
00:38:12,125 --> 00:38:13,792
- And you walk out the door
898
00:38:13,875 --> 00:38:16,458
with 1 1/2 million in profit
899
00:38:16,542 --> 00:38:18,417
that I'm keeping.
900
00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:19,625
I walked out with nothing.
901
00:38:25,458 --> 00:38:27,959
I lost the 1 1/2 million
I had won
902
00:38:28,041 --> 00:38:31,291
and I lost the 500,000
he had given me.
903
00:38:31,375 --> 00:38:33,709
So I essentially lost $2 million
904
00:38:33,792 --> 00:38:36,166
in a 24 hour period.
905
00:38:36,250 --> 00:38:38,125
So I took a personal loan
906
00:38:38,208 --> 00:38:40,625
to pay back
the blackjack investor,
907
00:38:40,709 --> 00:38:43,333
and that's when I really
started getting in trouble.
908
00:38:43,417 --> 00:38:45,333
'Cause now you're borrowing
from other people
909
00:38:45,417 --> 00:38:47,000
to cover debts,
910
00:38:47,083 --> 00:38:50,834
and when you start going down
that slope,
911
00:38:50,917 --> 00:38:53,250
that only ends one way,
912
00:38:53,333 --> 00:38:54,625
and it's not good.
913
00:38:59,917 --> 00:39:03,000
- We have this idea
that gambling is about thrill
914
00:39:03,083 --> 00:39:05,792
and risk and uncertainty,
915
00:39:05,875 --> 00:39:07,041
'cause certainly you are
916
00:39:07,125 --> 00:39:09,542
technically risking money,
right?
917
00:39:09,625 --> 00:39:12,667
But when you're actually
in the zone of gambling,
918
00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:14,041
it doesn't feel that way.
919
00:39:19,917 --> 00:39:21,500
- There was no emotion
to winning.
920
00:39:21,583 --> 00:39:23,125
There's no emotion to losing.
921
00:39:23,208 --> 00:39:25,959
Blackjack became an escape.
922
00:39:26,041 --> 00:39:28,500
- They say,
"Everything in my life felt
923
00:39:28,583 --> 00:39:30,000
"so uncertain.
924
00:39:30,083 --> 00:39:32,333
"The one place that I
was certain about anything
925
00:39:32,417 --> 00:39:36,041
"or that I could calm down
or get away from my anxieties
926
00:39:36,125 --> 00:39:39,458
was when I was gambling."
927
00:39:39,542 --> 00:39:41,583
- Gambling allowed me to escape,
928
00:39:41,667 --> 00:39:44,041
you know, the "demons."
929
00:39:44,125 --> 00:39:46,583
I felt like I was kinda
in this protective bubble
930
00:39:46,667 --> 00:39:48,875
when I played.
931
00:39:48,959 --> 00:39:51,166
- Solitude is very important.
932
00:39:51,250 --> 00:39:52,500
Gamblers used to tell me,
933
00:39:52,583 --> 00:39:54,583
"I liked to go into the corners
934
00:39:54,667 --> 00:39:56,250
"where I could hide.
935
00:39:56,333 --> 00:39:58,333
I felt safe."
936
00:39:58,417 --> 00:40:00,709
He was gambling
at a high enough level
937
00:40:00,792 --> 00:40:03,000
where the casino would cater
to his wish
938
00:40:03,083 --> 00:40:04,750
to really be alone.
939
00:40:04,834 --> 00:40:06,542
- I was not looking
for attention.
940
00:40:06,625 --> 00:40:08,166
I was looking to hide.
941
00:40:08,250 --> 00:40:12,333
And every casino in the world
would allow me to gamble alone
942
00:40:12,417 --> 00:40:13,750
in great privacy.
943
00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:20,542
- The thing
is that they care more
944
00:40:20,625 --> 00:40:23,750
about staying
in the flow of action,
945
00:40:23,834 --> 00:40:25,542
staying in that continuous zone,
946
00:40:25,625 --> 00:40:27,083
than they do about winning.
947
00:40:29,667 --> 00:40:31,875
- It was the only thing
I found in my life
948
00:40:31,959 --> 00:40:35,291
that matched the speed
of my brain,
949
00:40:35,375 --> 00:40:38,083
the speed of the cards
coming out.
950
00:40:38,166 --> 00:40:41,458
I used to have
multiple tables reserved,
951
00:40:41,542 --> 00:40:43,709
and I used to make sure
that they shuffled
952
00:40:43,792 --> 00:40:45,625
before I sat down.
953
00:40:45,709 --> 00:40:48,125
I couldn't wait the five minutes
954
00:40:48,208 --> 00:40:49,417
for the dealer to shuffle.
955
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:50,417
I hated it.
956
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:51,959
It felt like an eternity to me.
957
00:40:59,458 --> 00:41:00,658
- When somebody has a sickness
958
00:41:00,709 --> 00:41:03,000
and somebody is wrapped up
in something
959
00:41:03,083 --> 00:41:04,792
that you're
not really that aware of
960
00:41:04,875 --> 00:41:06,333
and you can't
get out in front of it
961
00:41:06,417 --> 00:41:08,834
and help that person stop,
962
00:41:08,917 --> 00:41:11,250
there's a level of guilt
that you have as well.
963
00:41:11,333 --> 00:41:14,291
- I was as much of an enabler
964
00:41:14,375 --> 00:41:16,417
as anybody was.
965
00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:20,458
There was a moment
when his wife had asked me
966
00:41:20,542 --> 00:41:22,625
to stop going with him,
967
00:41:22,709 --> 00:41:24,017
and I just remember
looking in her eyes
968
00:41:24,041 --> 00:41:26,250
and realizing, "All right,
you know what?
969
00:41:26,333 --> 00:41:28,291
I got it. I understand."
970
00:41:28,375 --> 00:41:30,625
- I know Boomer
was concerned about it.
971
00:41:30,709 --> 00:41:31,989
Al Dukes was concerned about it.
972
00:41:32,041 --> 00:41:33,518
I know there were others
who were concerned
973
00:41:33,542 --> 00:41:34,959
about it as well.
974
00:41:35,041 --> 00:41:37,625
I talked to him
a couple of times about it.
975
00:41:37,709 --> 00:41:39,458
"Hey, do we have
a problem here?"
976
00:41:39,542 --> 00:41:40,458
You know, "Do you think
977
00:41:40,542 --> 00:41:42,083
you should be talking
to somebody?"
978
00:41:42,166 --> 00:41:46,333
And he perpetually denied
it was ever a problem.
979
00:41:46,417 --> 00:41:50,166
- Hiding the gambling
was so easy for me.
980
00:41:50,250 --> 00:41:53,250
But then you start lying
about everything.
981
00:41:53,333 --> 00:41:55,834
- With gambling,
there's no saturation point.
982
00:41:55,917 --> 00:41:58,333
Like, you could only do
so much drugs
983
00:41:58,417 --> 00:41:59,917
before you're gonna pass out
or die,
984
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,500
whereas with gambling,
it's virtually unlimited,
985
00:42:02,583 --> 00:42:04,208
so you could imagine the high.
986
00:42:07,291 --> 00:42:08,851
Eventually, everybody runs out
of money,
987
00:42:08,875 --> 00:42:10,959
and then, like a house of cards,
988
00:42:11,041 --> 00:42:12,625
it all collapses.
989
00:42:20,917 --> 00:42:22,375
- Day 210.
990
00:42:28,125 --> 00:42:29,917
I used to make millions.
991
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,709
Now, I get 5 bucks a month
as a prison tutor.
992
00:42:33,792 --> 00:42:35,375
But the real currency here
993
00:42:35,458 --> 00:42:37,792
is stamps
and packets of mackerel,
994
00:42:37,875 --> 00:42:39,667
things other prisoners want.
995
00:42:42,166 --> 00:42:45,250
I bought some basics
to make my own prison meals.
996
00:42:45,333 --> 00:42:49,417
My best is Ramen
a la Carton y Pollo.
997
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:51,041
It's chicken breast
and turkey log
998
00:42:51,125 --> 00:42:53,166
with ramen noodles.
999
00:42:53,250 --> 00:42:55,375
Now, you gotta make sure
to shake the chicken
1000
00:42:55,458 --> 00:42:58,375
in an empty Dorito bag
for extra flavor.
1001
00:43:06,333 --> 00:43:09,875
Visiting day is the best
and the worst day of the week.
1002
00:43:09,959 --> 00:43:12,875
I live for the visits
of family and friends,
1003
00:43:12,959 --> 00:43:14,250
but it's tough when they go.
1004
00:43:19,709 --> 00:43:22,750
Being here makes the decisions
and risks I took
1005
00:43:22,834 --> 00:43:25,458
so unfathomably stupid.
1006
00:43:25,542 --> 00:43:29,083
Why wasn't being number one
on the radio good enough?
1007
00:43:29,166 --> 00:43:31,583
Why wasn't my family
more important
1008
00:43:31,667 --> 00:43:33,709
than my selfish desires?
1009
00:43:33,792 --> 00:43:36,959
I'm trying to understand
what I was chasing
1010
00:43:37,041 --> 00:43:39,417
and why that chase
was so important.
1011
00:43:45,792 --> 00:43:48,291
I had every single thing
you could ever want in life.
1012
00:43:48,375 --> 00:43:49,583
I made a lot of money,
1013
00:43:49,667 --> 00:43:52,083
I had a beautiful family,
great apartment,
1014
00:43:52,166 --> 00:43:55,500
but I was clearly living,
you know, kinda two lives.
1015
00:43:55,583 --> 00:43:58,792
One, the affable, outgoing
radio talk show host
1016
00:43:58,875 --> 00:44:01,333
who had achieved everything
he ever wanted in life,
1017
00:44:01,417 --> 00:44:02,417
but at the same time,
1018
00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:06,291
I had these personal demons
chasing me.
1019
00:44:06,375 --> 00:44:07,291
And that goes back
1020
00:44:07,375 --> 00:44:10,083
to, you know,
the unfortunate reality
1021
00:44:10,166 --> 00:44:14,834
of being molested as a child
at a summer camp.
1022
00:44:14,917 --> 00:44:17,291
I was abused every night
for eight weeks,
1023
00:44:17,375 --> 00:44:18,375
something I withheld
1024
00:44:18,417 --> 00:44:21,625
for more than 30 years
of my life.
1025
00:44:21,709 --> 00:44:23,959
I still had shame over it.
1026
00:44:24,041 --> 00:44:27,333
You know, it still haunted me
and bothered me.
1027
00:44:27,417 --> 00:44:30,291
I was never living
a full life emotionally,
1028
00:44:30,375 --> 00:44:34,333
'cause I had this secret
which gnawed at me.
1029
00:44:34,417 --> 00:44:38,000
I wish I had been strong enough
much earlier in my life
1030
00:44:38,083 --> 00:44:41,291
to tell people.
1031
00:44:41,375 --> 00:44:44,875
You know,
I wasn't able to do that.
1032
00:44:44,959 --> 00:44:46,542
The first time
I wanted to put it out
1033
00:44:46,625 --> 00:44:48,750
was when I wrote
my book, "Loudmouth,"
1034
00:44:48,834 --> 00:44:51,000
and I wrote a chapter on it.
1035
00:44:51,083 --> 00:44:53,667
Simon & Schuster
actually made the decision
1036
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:55,792
that I shouldn't put it
in the book
1037
00:44:55,875 --> 00:44:57,792
because the rest of the book is
1038
00:44:57,875 --> 00:45:00,834
hijinks and laughter
and fun stuff.
1039
00:45:00,917 --> 00:45:04,333
So I regrettably took it
out of the book.
1040
00:45:04,417 --> 00:45:06,458
I still read it now and then.
1041
00:45:09,208 --> 00:45:10,125
So you want me
to just read it, or...
1042
00:45:10,208 --> 00:45:11,208
- Yeah.
1043
00:45:57,500 --> 00:45:59,291
"And I never cried again
1044
00:45:59,375 --> 00:46:02,291
and haven't cried once
since that night."
1045
00:46:08,041 --> 00:46:10,041
- Sexual abuse
is obviously something
1046
00:46:10,125 --> 00:46:13,166
that he hid deep inside himself.
1047
00:46:13,250 --> 00:46:16,041
And I don't know who knew,
but I could tell you I didn't.
1048
00:46:16,125 --> 00:46:17,351
He never talked to me about it.
1049
00:46:17,375 --> 00:46:20,083
- He never, ever shared
1050
00:46:20,166 --> 00:46:21,458
the most intimate details
1051
00:46:21,542 --> 00:46:23,458
of that part of his life
when he was a child.
1052
00:46:23,542 --> 00:46:27,083
- I found that out
just this year.
1053
00:46:27,166 --> 00:46:28,959
- Obviously, Sandusky's
the bad guy here.
1054
00:46:29,041 --> 00:46:31,083
He's, you know,
the Big Bad Wolf,
1055
00:46:31,166 --> 00:46:33,709
but the reality is that
Joe Paterno is the godfather
1056
00:46:33,792 --> 00:46:35,125
of everything in Penn State.
1057
00:46:35,208 --> 00:46:38,792
The worst moment for me
in not coming forward was
1058
00:46:38,875 --> 00:46:40,834
being on the radio
1059
00:46:40,917 --> 00:46:44,750
during the whole Jerry Sandusky
situation at Penn State.
1060
00:46:44,834 --> 00:46:48,959
This is a predator, a hunter,
of young boys
1061
00:46:49,041 --> 00:46:51,125
who did
the most despicable thing
1062
00:46:51,208 --> 00:46:53,083
you could ever do to a child,
1063
00:46:53,166 --> 00:46:56,208
and the guy that was in charge
of everything at Penn State
1064
00:46:56,291 --> 00:46:58,125
allowed it to go on
1065
00:46:58,208 --> 00:47:00,125
without thinking twice about it.
1066
00:47:00,208 --> 00:47:02,333
- I had never seen him
1067
00:47:02,417 --> 00:47:06,792
react to something so viciously.
1068
00:47:06,875 --> 00:47:08,792
- Here's a man that was told
1069
00:47:08,875 --> 00:47:12,125
that a 10-year-old boy
was being sodomized
1070
00:47:12,208 --> 00:47:13,959
in his backyard
1071
00:47:14,041 --> 00:47:15,792
and did nothing about it.
1072
00:47:15,875 --> 00:47:17,208
- And I now think
1073
00:47:17,291 --> 00:47:19,834
that all the things
that he has been through,
1074
00:47:19,917 --> 00:47:21,375
the way that he is,
1075
00:47:21,458 --> 00:47:23,166
obviously stems
from some of the things
1076
00:47:23,250 --> 00:47:25,041
that happened
while he was in camp.
1077
00:47:28,417 --> 00:47:30,959
- From the minute I decided
not to share
1078
00:47:31,041 --> 00:47:33,500
being molested at summer camp,
1079
00:47:33,583 --> 00:47:35,959
I became good at lying.
1080
00:47:36,041 --> 00:47:38,166
Because your...
1081
00:47:38,250 --> 00:47:40,542
all your emotions are now lies.
1082
00:47:40,625 --> 00:47:42,542
'Cause you're protecting
how you really feel.
1083
00:47:45,417 --> 00:47:48,709
You build up
these defense mechanisms,
1084
00:47:48,792 --> 00:47:52,250
really, as a way
just to get through life.
1085
00:47:52,333 --> 00:47:55,333
Ultimately, I transferred that
1086
00:47:55,417 --> 00:47:58,709
into lying about gambling,
1087
00:47:58,792 --> 00:48:00,375
and they're very much connected.
1088
00:48:03,834 --> 00:48:05,792
- When you have trauma issues
that are unresolved
1089
00:48:05,875 --> 00:48:08,083
and you're having
these big wins,
1090
00:48:08,166 --> 00:48:11,041
it makes you really forget
about that trauma.
1091
00:48:11,125 --> 00:48:12,709
Gambling is one
of the perfect drugs.
1092
00:48:12,792 --> 00:48:14,875
It almost always works.
1093
00:48:23,458 --> 00:48:25,542
- Which number will be higher?
1094
00:48:25,625 --> 00:48:29,208
Rangers' shots on goal
tomorrow night
1095
00:48:29,291 --> 00:48:32,375
or Carmelo Anthony points
tonight?
1096
00:48:32,458 --> 00:48:35,542
- Rangers' shots on goal.
- I will take Carmelo.
1097
00:48:35,625 --> 00:48:37,709
We got a hundy on that though.
We shook like men.
1098
00:48:37,792 --> 00:48:38,935
You wanna pinky swear
like men too?
1099
00:48:38,959 --> 00:48:40,142
- I'm not gonna
pinky swear anything.
1100
00:48:40,166 --> 00:48:41,643
- Well, I'm just saying.
- I shook your hand.
1101
00:48:41,667 --> 00:48:43,333
- It made sense to me
at the time,
1102
00:48:43,417 --> 00:48:46,417
but the very first loan I took
to gamble with,
1103
00:48:46,500 --> 00:48:49,583
it's immediately wrong
and out of control.
1104
00:48:49,667 --> 00:48:51,583
If you lose their money,
1105
00:48:51,667 --> 00:48:54,125
you have to pay them back
out of your money
1106
00:48:54,208 --> 00:48:55,458
with interest.
1107
00:48:55,542 --> 00:48:58,834
If you add up all the loans
over a couple of years,
1108
00:48:58,917 --> 00:49:02,750
I borrowed over $30 million
to gamble with.
1109
00:49:02,834 --> 00:49:04,458
In 2017,
1110
00:49:04,542 --> 00:49:07,875
I was the net loser
of a couple million dollars.
1111
00:49:07,959 --> 00:49:11,542
I had to cover
the losses personally.
1112
00:49:11,625 --> 00:49:14,083
- The amazing thing about Craig
1113
00:49:14,166 --> 00:49:18,083
and one of the reasons
we were all sort of blindsided
1114
00:49:18,166 --> 00:49:21,750
is that when the light came on,
he was ready to go
1115
00:49:21,834 --> 00:49:24,083
and still performing
at his best.
1116
00:49:24,166 --> 00:49:25,166
- Now I'm sure, guy,
1117
00:49:25,208 --> 00:49:27,000
your intellect
is probably illiterate,
1118
00:49:27,083 --> 00:49:28,959
so I read the newspaper for you.
1119
00:49:29,041 --> 00:49:30,792
- He was the mailman.
That guy delivered.
1120
00:49:30,875 --> 00:49:32,226
No matter what was going on
around him,
1121
00:49:32,250 --> 00:49:36,166
he could block it out
and just zoom in on that camera
1122
00:49:36,250 --> 00:49:37,750
and capture that audience.
1123
00:49:37,834 --> 00:49:39,500
- What do you have a thing for?
1124
00:49:39,583 --> 00:49:41,125
- Lasagna.
- Okay.
1125
00:49:41,208 --> 00:49:42,250
- Yes.
- Good. Nice.
1126
00:49:42,333 --> 00:49:44,291
- And I will admit,
1127
00:49:44,375 --> 00:49:47,166
hot chicks in nothing at all
but football jerseys
1128
00:49:47,250 --> 00:49:49,500
and me pouring barbecue sauce
all over them
1129
00:49:49,583 --> 00:49:51,417
and working them like a rib.
1130
00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:53,583
But that's me, Boomer.
That's my fetish.
1131
00:49:53,667 --> 00:49:55,291
- It is absolutely shocking
to me
1132
00:49:55,375 --> 00:49:58,792
that he was able to come in
and do radio shows.
1133
00:49:58,875 --> 00:50:00,542
I can't imagine
the stress he was under.
1134
00:50:00,625 --> 00:50:02,792
- All hail the king!
1135
00:50:02,875 --> 00:50:04,518
- Even though you knew
there had to be bad,
1136
00:50:04,542 --> 00:50:06,291
you never saw it.
1137
00:50:06,375 --> 00:50:08,709
He was a master of disguise
in that manner.
1138
00:50:10,959 --> 00:50:14,667
- Part of the appeal of Craig
and the tragic nature of Craig
1139
00:50:14,750 --> 00:50:17,959
is that, you know, he manages
to screw things up for himself
1140
00:50:18,041 --> 00:50:19,834
even when things are going
really well.
1141
00:50:19,917 --> 00:50:23,250
Self-sabotage, it's like
it's part of his arsenal.
1142
00:50:24,917 --> 00:50:27,333
- There was one time
that he had called me
1143
00:50:27,417 --> 00:50:29,625
to meet at the Greek downtown.
1144
00:50:29,709 --> 00:50:31,875
He started rambling on
about this pitch
1145
00:50:31,959 --> 00:50:35,166
and, you know, tickets,
and, you know, investment
1146
00:50:35,250 --> 00:50:38,834
and this business that made
no sense whatsoever to me,
1147
00:50:38,917 --> 00:50:40,834
and at that moment,
1148
00:50:40,917 --> 00:50:43,166
I said to myself, "Hmm.
1149
00:50:43,250 --> 00:50:45,583
"Something bad is going on here.
1150
00:50:45,667 --> 00:50:47,709
He's in trouble."
1151
00:50:47,792 --> 00:50:50,083
- And then a guy
that I've partnered with
1152
00:50:50,166 --> 00:50:54,166
in a ticket business
gets arrested by the FBI.
1153
00:50:54,875 --> 00:50:58,333
- We investigated Joe Meli
for some illegal activity
1154
00:50:58,417 --> 00:51:01,250
around secondary market sales
of tickets,
1155
00:51:01,333 --> 00:51:02,893
and in the course
of that investigation,
1156
00:51:02,959 --> 00:51:06,041
we saw some communications
and some financial transactions
1157
00:51:06,125 --> 00:51:08,083
that he had with Craig Carton,
1158
00:51:08,166 --> 00:51:10,041
and so as we began
to look into Mr. Meli,
1159
00:51:10,125 --> 00:51:12,375
we started to look
into Mr. Carton's activity
1160
00:51:12,458 --> 00:51:13,750
as well.
1161
00:51:13,834 --> 00:51:16,041
- The FBI picked up Joe Meli,
1162
00:51:16,125 --> 00:51:18,000
and once Craig got wind
of the story,
1163
00:51:18,083 --> 00:51:19,601
he started to talk to me
more and more about,
1164
00:51:19,625 --> 00:51:20,893
"I can't believe
this is happening.
1165
00:51:20,917 --> 00:51:22,476
"How come nobody told me
this guy was no good?
1166
00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:24,375
I can't believe
I'm wrapped up in this."
1167
00:51:24,458 --> 00:51:27,041
- Ultimately, what Craig did was
1168
00:51:27,125 --> 00:51:30,291
defraud a hedge fund of money
that they invested
1169
00:51:30,375 --> 00:51:32,750
in what they thought
was legitimate business.
1170
00:51:32,834 --> 00:51:35,083
- What he actually used
the funds for was to pay off
1171
00:51:35,166 --> 00:51:38,291
old investors in some
of these other similar schemes
1172
00:51:38,375 --> 00:51:41,500
and to repay debts,
particularly gambling debts.
1173
00:51:41,583 --> 00:51:43,458
- The one thing I'm guilty of
1174
00:51:43,542 --> 00:51:46,750
is misappropriating
the hedge fund's money.
1175
00:51:46,834 --> 00:51:47,917
I spent their money
1176
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,417
five weeks before the money
should've been spent.
1177
00:51:51,500 --> 00:51:54,125
Now, I still bought everything
they expected me to buy,
1178
00:51:54,208 --> 00:51:56,750
but still,
the timing of when I did it
1179
00:51:56,834 --> 00:51:57,834
is illegal.
1180
00:51:57,875 --> 00:51:59,375
- You can't take money
for one purpose
1181
00:51:59,458 --> 00:52:02,959
and use it for another
in business.
1182
00:52:06,709 --> 00:52:10,750
- It's mentally draining
to live life,
1183
00:52:10,834 --> 00:52:13,583
and then live a secret life
1184
00:52:13,667 --> 00:52:17,792
and to mentally process
all the lies you've told.
1185
00:52:17,875 --> 00:52:19,166
Clearly, the amount of crap
1186
00:52:19,250 --> 00:52:21,917
going on inside my head
was overwhelming.
1187
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,792
I've got my gambling crap
over here,
1188
00:52:24,875 --> 00:52:27,500
I've got my work
responsibilities here,
1189
00:52:27,583 --> 00:52:30,291
I've got my family
responsibilities here,
1190
00:52:30,375 --> 00:52:32,667
and now I'm juggling,
1191
00:52:32,750 --> 00:52:35,667
and I'm juggling on a high wire.
1192
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:39,083
Because now I'm worried,
"They arrested this guy.
1193
00:52:39,166 --> 00:52:40,810
"They're gonna come talk to me
at some point.
1194
00:52:40,834 --> 00:52:42,125
We did business together."
1195
00:52:42,208 --> 00:52:43,667
I was mentally drained.
1196
00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:51,542
My wife and I went to Whistler,
British Columbia,
1197
00:52:51,625 --> 00:52:55,208
for just an adult vacation.
1198
00:52:55,291 --> 00:52:56,709
So I get on the lift
1199
00:52:56,792 --> 00:52:58,267
and I took it
to the top of the mountain
1200
00:52:58,291 --> 00:53:00,667
and I'm kinda admiring
the scenery on the way up.
1201
00:53:00,750 --> 00:53:03,166
It's a beautiful place.
1202
00:53:03,250 --> 00:53:05,583
I eat lunch,
I have a couple drinks,
1203
00:53:05,667 --> 00:53:07,709
and after about an hour or so,
1204
00:53:07,792 --> 00:53:09,542
I decide it's time
to go back down.
1205
00:53:09,625 --> 00:53:13,166
I'm gonna meet my wife.
1206
00:53:13,250 --> 00:53:15,875
So I get on the lift chair
by myself,
1207
00:53:15,959 --> 00:53:18,291
and as I'm going down,
1208
00:53:18,375 --> 00:53:22,500
I now have a desire to jump...
1209
00:53:22,583 --> 00:53:25,000
off the lift chair,
down to the mountain.
1210
00:53:31,583 --> 00:53:33,750
I lifted the bar up
1211
00:53:33,834 --> 00:53:36,458
and I'm now inching closer
to the edge of the seat.
1212
00:53:38,959 --> 00:53:41,208
And I got very upset.
1213
00:53:41,291 --> 00:53:42,709
I started crying,
1214
00:53:42,792 --> 00:53:45,667
and I had this...
1215
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:48,875
out loud conversation
with myself.
1216
00:53:48,959 --> 00:53:51,041
And I'm tell... "Don't do it.
Don't do it.
1217
00:53:51,125 --> 00:53:54,041
You're better than this.
You're not jumping."
1218
00:53:54,125 --> 00:53:56,333
And as I'm telling myself
not to do it,
1219
00:53:56,417 --> 00:54:00,250
I'm inching closer and closer
to the edge of the seat,
1220
00:54:00,333 --> 00:54:01,250
'cause I'm going.
1221
00:54:01,333 --> 00:54:03,083
There's no doubt in my mind,
1222
00:54:03,166 --> 00:54:04,834
I'm jumping off this chairlift.
1223
00:54:04,917 --> 00:54:05,997
It's just a matter of when.
1224
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:14,875
Fortunately, I had my phone
with me.
1225
00:54:14,959 --> 00:54:17,125
And I just called the first
person whose name I saw
1226
00:54:17,208 --> 00:54:20,125
that I knew was a friend.
1227
00:54:20,208 --> 00:54:22,208
- I'm just going about my day.
1228
00:54:22,291 --> 00:54:24,917
I get a phone call from Craig.
1229
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,810
I didn't understand, really,
what he was saying.
1230
00:54:26,834 --> 00:54:29,750
He was outta control,
inconsolable.
1231
00:54:29,834 --> 00:54:33,083
He was truly in
a desperate situation.
1232
00:54:33,166 --> 00:54:35,625
- And I said, "I need you
to just talk to me.
1233
00:54:35,709 --> 00:54:37,250
"I'm gonna hurt myself.
1234
00:54:37,333 --> 00:54:39,458
I'm about to jump
off a chairlift."
1235
00:54:39,542 --> 00:54:41,000
And I'm crying.
1236
00:54:43,875 --> 00:54:45,458
- Really, it was only
maybe five seconds
1237
00:54:45,542 --> 00:54:48,959
before I went from him kidding
to "This is actually real."
1238
00:54:53,166 --> 00:54:54,583
- He talked.
1239
00:54:54,667 --> 00:54:58,125
He talked to me
for however long it was.
1240
00:54:58,208 --> 00:54:59,125
- So all I could say
1241
00:54:59,208 --> 00:55:00,125
at that point was, "I love you."
1242
00:55:00,208 --> 00:55:01,125
"Listen, I love you.
1243
00:55:01,208 --> 00:55:02,267
"You're gonna make it
to the bottom.
1244
00:55:02,291 --> 00:55:03,393
"You're gonna get to the bottom
of this thing.
1245
00:55:03,417 --> 00:55:07,250
You're not gonna jump."
1246
00:55:07,333 --> 00:55:09,834
And slowly but surely,
the yelling stopped
1247
00:55:09,917 --> 00:55:11,667
and the breathing started
to slow down.
1248
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:13,750
I just kinda coaxed him down
for the last few bits.
1249
00:55:16,583 --> 00:55:18,959
And the crazy part about it is,
1250
00:55:19,041 --> 00:55:21,083
just as he gets off
of the ski lift...
1251
00:55:21,166 --> 00:55:22,291
- I said, "Go eff yourself.
1252
00:55:22,375 --> 00:55:23,750
I'll talk to you
about this later."
1253
00:55:23,834 --> 00:55:24,851
- Click, and just hangs up,
1254
00:55:24,875 --> 00:55:28,792
and I was like,
"Oh, uh, that's it."
1255
00:55:28,875 --> 00:55:31,834
He needed me, I was there,
1256
00:55:31,917 --> 00:55:33,375
and then on to the next.
1257
00:55:36,041 --> 00:55:38,667
- Thankfully, I haven't
felt that way since.
1258
00:55:38,750 --> 00:55:40,709
But I absolutely was gonna jump.
1259
00:55:40,792 --> 00:55:44,166
There was no doubt about it.
1260
00:55:53,125 --> 00:55:55,959
The morning
of September 6, 2017,
1261
00:55:56,041 --> 00:55:57,542
that was our first night ever
1262
00:55:57,625 --> 00:56:00,875
living in this new apartment
we had moved into.
1263
00:56:00,959 --> 00:56:02,792
I got up at 3:00 in the morning.
1264
00:56:02,875 --> 00:56:06,625
I called Uber
to take me to work.
1265
00:56:06,709 --> 00:56:08,375
I walked out of the apartment.
1266
00:56:08,458 --> 00:56:11,000
There was a woman
coming up the stairs,
1267
00:56:11,083 --> 00:56:13,458
and she immediately said,
"Are you Craig Carton?"
1268
00:56:13,542 --> 00:56:14,709
"Yes, I am."
1269
00:56:14,792 --> 00:56:16,750
"FBI. You're under arrest."
1270
00:56:19,083 --> 00:56:23,542
That was my "day of reckoning."
1271
00:56:23,625 --> 00:56:25,417
I was immediately cuffed.
1272
00:56:25,500 --> 00:56:27,875
Then they brought me
to the park bench
1273
00:56:27,959 --> 00:56:31,000
and told me to call my wife.
1274
00:56:31,083 --> 00:56:32,417
I woke her up.
1275
00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:33,893
You know,
probably the worst phone call
1276
00:56:33,917 --> 00:56:35,375
I ever had to make.
1277
00:56:35,458 --> 00:56:37,418
And when she came down,
she had this terrible look
1278
00:56:37,458 --> 00:56:41,041
of, you know, sadness
on her face and bewilderment.
1279
00:56:41,125 --> 00:56:43,875
It's still dark outside,
1280
00:56:43,959 --> 00:56:47,041
and I'm sitting there
handcuffed to a park bench
1281
00:56:47,125 --> 00:56:49,750
surrounded by FBI agents.
1282
00:56:54,625 --> 00:56:58,166
- I drive in with Jerry Recco
on a lot of days.
1283
00:56:58,250 --> 00:57:02,083
We had just parked the car,
and my phone rings.
1284
00:57:02,166 --> 00:57:04,458
It was Craig's wife, Kim.
1285
00:57:04,542 --> 00:57:05,685
- And I remember him
looking at it,
1286
00:57:05,709 --> 00:57:08,291
looking at me, and saying,
"This isn't good."
1287
00:57:08,375 --> 00:57:11,875
- Kim said, "Al,
Craig will not be in today."
1288
00:57:11,959 --> 00:57:13,333
I said, "Okay."
1289
00:57:13,417 --> 00:57:14,917
I said, "Is everything okay?"
1290
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,625
She said, "No, but I can't talk
to you right now about it."
1291
00:57:18,709 --> 00:57:20,518
- "Something's going on,
Craig's not coming in,
1292
00:57:20,542 --> 00:57:21,583
so you have to host."
1293
00:57:21,667 --> 00:57:22,667
That was it.
1294
00:57:22,709 --> 00:57:23,750
"Okay. That's fine.
1295
00:57:23,834 --> 00:57:24,851
"Maybe they had an argument.
1296
00:57:24,875 --> 00:57:26,458
Maybe one of the kids was sick."
1297
00:57:26,542 --> 00:57:28,750
Never thought anything of it
other than, "Ugh,
1298
00:57:28,834 --> 00:57:30,184
now I gotta go in there
for four hours,"
1299
00:57:30,208 --> 00:57:31,375
really unprepared.
1300
00:57:34,959 --> 00:57:38,250
- It's only a little bit
after 4:00 in the morning now,
1301
00:57:38,333 --> 00:57:39,500
so there's no traffic,
1302
00:57:39,583 --> 00:57:41,343
there's no hustle and bustle
yet of New York.
1303
00:57:48,250 --> 00:57:49,450
- There were two young agents.
1304
00:57:49,500 --> 00:57:51,583
One of them made a point
of telling me
1305
00:57:51,667 --> 00:57:53,625
how big a fan he was of mine,
1306
00:57:53,709 --> 00:57:55,792
and this was kind of
a surreal moment for him.
1307
00:57:55,875 --> 00:57:59,125
- He was, you know, shocked
a little bit at first,
1308
00:57:59,208 --> 00:58:01,458
but he was, you know, very calm
1309
00:58:01,542 --> 00:58:03,792
and he was actually
very respectful as well.
1310
00:58:03,875 --> 00:58:05,458
He did say to the agents
at one point,
1311
00:58:05,542 --> 00:58:07,422
"I just want you guys to know
that I respect you
1312
00:58:07,500 --> 00:58:10,792
and I respect what you do."
1313
00:58:10,875 --> 00:58:13,583
- They drove me
to Federal Plaza,
1314
00:58:13,667 --> 00:58:16,291
and there was a guard
in the guard tower,
1315
00:58:16,375 --> 00:58:18,250
and it was the first time
I ever heard myself
1316
00:58:18,333 --> 00:58:21,333
being referred to as a criminal.
1317
00:58:21,417 --> 00:58:22,959
They were very nonchalant.
1318
00:58:23,041 --> 00:58:25,458
"Hey, we got one criminal
in the back."
1319
00:58:28,250 --> 00:58:30,834
- All righty. Here we are.
1320
00:58:30,917 --> 00:58:33,792
Al Dukes comes to me and says,
"Kim just called.
1321
00:58:33,875 --> 00:58:35,333
Craig's not coming in today."
1322
00:58:38,875 --> 00:58:41,291
- As the morning show
was getting close to 6:00,
1323
00:58:41,375 --> 00:58:42,625
Craig wasn't there.
1324
00:58:42,709 --> 00:58:45,250
He had appeared to be
under the weather
1325
00:58:45,333 --> 00:58:48,291
for a few days before
and sluggish.
1326
00:58:48,375 --> 00:58:50,667
- He was a little edgy
the day before.
1327
00:58:50,750 --> 00:58:53,166
He was actually even,
I believe, sleeping
1328
00:58:53,250 --> 00:58:56,500
in between, you know,
some of our commercial breaks.
1329
00:58:56,583 --> 00:58:57,976
I figured
there was something wrong,
1330
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,166
but I had no idea what it was.
1331
00:59:01,250 --> 00:59:03,375
- WFAN-FM, New York.
1332
00:59:03,458 --> 00:59:05,834
It's "Boomer and Carton"
on The FAN.
1333
00:59:05,917 --> 00:59:10,125
- September 6, 2017,
was my 55th birthday.
1334
00:59:11,417 --> 00:59:15,291
And I flipped on
"Boomer and Carton"
1335
00:59:15,375 --> 00:59:16,875
and only saw Boomer.
1336
00:59:16,959 --> 00:59:19,500
- I remember
opening the show as,
1337
00:59:19,583 --> 00:59:21,500
"Numb Nuts is not here today."
1338
00:59:21,583 --> 00:59:23,542
If you hear me
starting the show,
1339
00:59:23,625 --> 00:59:25,417
that means Numb Nuts
is under the weather.
1340
00:59:25,500 --> 00:59:27,000
And he's not here.
1341
00:59:27,083 --> 00:59:28,267
- And it was pretty clear to me
1342
00:59:28,291 --> 00:59:30,625
that they didn't know
why Craig wasn't there.
1343
00:59:33,500 --> 00:59:36,375
- They brought me
into a very small office room
1344
00:59:36,458 --> 00:59:38,375
and then cuffed me to something
1345
00:59:38,458 --> 00:59:39,709
on the side of the wall,
1346
00:59:39,792 --> 00:59:41,875
and I was sitting
at a table basically
1347
00:59:41,959 --> 00:59:43,542
for the next four hours.
1348
00:59:43,625 --> 00:59:48,083
- We don't handle celebrities
or people of any notability
1349
00:59:48,166 --> 00:59:49,685
any different
than anyone else we arrest.
1350
00:59:49,709 --> 00:59:51,250
If you're being arrested
by the FBI,
1351
00:59:51,333 --> 00:59:52,518
you're being arrested by the FBI
1352
00:59:52,542 --> 00:59:54,750
because you committed
a federal crime.
1353
00:59:54,834 --> 00:59:55,917
He definitely was not
1354
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,810
the Craig Carton you heard
on the radio though.
1355
00:59:57,834 --> 00:59:58,750
He didn't have
1356
00:59:58,834 --> 01:00:00,542
that brash personality that day.
1357
01:00:00,625 --> 01:00:02,810
- They brought me, like,
a snack bar or something to eat
1358
01:00:02,834 --> 01:00:04,083
and a soda,
1359
01:00:04,166 --> 01:00:07,250
and then press release went out.
1360
01:00:07,333 --> 01:00:10,625
- And it was probably
in the 7:00 hour
1361
01:00:10,709 --> 01:00:12,083
when I started to see
1362
01:00:12,166 --> 01:00:14,583
the alerts come across
on Twitter
1363
01:00:14,667 --> 01:00:16,917
that Craig had been arrested.
1364
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,083
Most of us thought
it was something...
1365
01:00:20,166 --> 01:00:22,959
smoking pot, maybe a DUI.
1366
01:00:23,041 --> 01:00:26,750
- It was about an hour later
that it comes out
1367
01:00:26,834 --> 01:00:30,583
that he was arrested by the FBI.
1368
01:00:30,667 --> 01:00:31,875
Boom.
1369
01:00:31,959 --> 01:00:34,458
- "Boomer and Carton" cohost
Craig Carton was arrested
1370
01:00:34,542 --> 01:00:36,000
at his home on federal charges
1371
01:00:36,083 --> 01:00:38,667
related to white-collar crime
early this morning.
1372
01:00:38,750 --> 01:00:42,000
It's unclear
what those charges are.
1373
01:00:42,083 --> 01:00:44,250
- I called Al Dukes
1374
01:00:44,333 --> 01:00:46,709
and I said,
"Al, what is going on?"
1375
01:00:46,792 --> 01:00:49,291
And he said,
"The FBI arrested him."
1376
01:00:49,375 --> 01:00:50,542
And I said, "For what?"
1377
01:00:50,625 --> 01:00:52,625
And he said, "I have no idea."
1378
01:00:52,709 --> 01:00:54,625
- All right, it's 7:36
on The FAN.
1379
01:00:54,709 --> 01:00:55,976
"Boomer and Carton"
in the morning.
1380
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,851
Jerry Recco sitting
in the power chair this morning
1381
01:00:57,875 --> 01:00:58,792
for Craigy.
1382
01:00:58,875 --> 01:01:00,041
- I was stunned,
1383
01:01:00,125 --> 01:01:01,458
and you start to think, like,
1384
01:01:01,542 --> 01:01:03,125
"What has he gotten
himself into?"
1385
01:01:04,500 --> 01:01:06,125
Mark Chernoff,
our program director,
1386
01:01:06,208 --> 01:01:08,351
comes running into the studio
and says, "Don't say anything!
1387
01:01:08,375 --> 01:01:10,500
Don't say anything!"
1388
01:01:10,583 --> 01:01:12,625
And I'm like,
"Don't say anything?
1389
01:01:12,709 --> 01:01:14,000
"I mean, we're a talk show,
1390
01:01:14,083 --> 01:01:16,834
"and the talk show host
that is not here
1391
01:01:16,917 --> 01:01:19,333
"is arrested by the FBI,
for Christ's sake.
1392
01:01:19,417 --> 01:01:21,500
What am I supposed to say?"
1393
01:01:21,583 --> 01:01:23,417
- All right,
top of the hour, 9:00.
1394
01:01:23,500 --> 01:01:25,375
"Boomer and Carton" on The FAN.
1395
01:01:25,458 --> 01:01:26,709
I am sitting in for Craig
1396
01:01:26,792 --> 01:01:28,500
and Boomer will be back
in just a moment.
1397
01:01:28,583 --> 01:01:29,792
We got a lot going on.
1398
01:01:29,875 --> 01:01:31,333
- Radio's an interesting thing
1399
01:01:31,417 --> 01:01:34,000
in that it doesn't stop
for anything.
1400
01:01:34,083 --> 01:01:37,000
You kinda have to roll
with the changes.
1401
01:01:37,083 --> 01:01:38,226
- And I gotta look in the camera
1402
01:01:38,250 --> 01:01:40,208
and I gotta say, "Well...
1403
01:01:40,291 --> 01:01:42,333
"now I know why my partner's
not here this morning.
1404
01:01:42,417 --> 01:01:44,500
He's been arrested by the FBI."
1405
01:01:44,583 --> 01:01:46,834
I am aware, now, why Craig
is not here this morning.
1406
01:01:46,917 --> 01:01:50,000
Unfortunately, he was arrested
this morning.
1407
01:01:50,083 --> 01:01:52,875
Over here at the station,
they're aware of it as well.
1408
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,542
They're cooperating
with authorities.
1409
01:01:55,625 --> 01:01:58,083
I'm taken aback
and surprised by it,
1410
01:01:58,166 --> 01:01:59,959
just like I'm sure
everybody else is.
1411
01:02:00,041 --> 01:02:02,417
I have no other information.
There's nothing else I can say.
1412
01:02:02,500 --> 01:02:04,583
I thought he called in sick
this morning,
1413
01:02:04,667 --> 01:02:06,959
but unfortunately,
my partner was arrested,
1414
01:02:07,041 --> 01:02:10,041
so I guess there'll be
more news to come, I'm sure,
1415
01:02:10,125 --> 01:02:11,125
from somewhere.
1416
01:02:11,166 --> 01:02:12,875
"But at this moment,
I'm as shocked
1417
01:02:12,959 --> 01:02:14,208
as everybody else."
1418
01:02:14,291 --> 01:02:16,333
Because I was.
1419
01:02:16,417 --> 01:02:17,834
And not only shocked.
1420
01:02:17,917 --> 01:02:18,917
I was angry.
1421
01:02:18,959 --> 01:02:21,542
I was brokenhearted
over the whole thing.
1422
01:02:28,458 --> 01:02:31,041
- And then it all started
clicking into place
1423
01:02:31,125 --> 01:02:33,875
that he was doing
the old shell game,
1424
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,959
just pay off the gambling debts.
1425
01:02:37,041 --> 01:02:38,434
- The formal charges
that were brought
1426
01:02:38,458 --> 01:02:40,625
were securities fraud,
wire fraud,
1427
01:02:40,709 --> 01:02:43,083
and then conspiracy
to commit those offenses.
1428
01:02:43,166 --> 01:02:44,917
Basically, that just means
he lied to people
1429
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,875
to solicit funds from them
and did that with other people.
1430
01:02:48,959 --> 01:02:51,417
- Shortly after that,
I was in front of a judge.
1431
01:02:51,500 --> 01:02:52,750
It's surreal.
1432
01:02:52,834 --> 01:02:54,542
Like, this can't
possibly be happening.
1433
01:02:58,667 --> 01:03:00,017
You know,
the courtroom was packed,
1434
01:03:00,041 --> 01:03:01,583
and it's all media.
1435
01:03:01,667 --> 01:03:04,083
The judge made
a wisecrack about,
1436
01:03:04,166 --> 01:03:05,766
"Apparently, there's a lot
of sports fans
1437
01:03:05,834 --> 01:03:06,954
here in the building today."
1438
01:03:12,375 --> 01:03:15,917
I remember seeing my wife,
my brother.
1439
01:03:16,041 --> 01:03:17,792
That was very upsetting to me,
1440
01:03:17,875 --> 01:03:19,959
to see people I loved
and cared for
1441
01:03:20,041 --> 01:03:21,959
who are there looking at me,
1442
01:03:22,041 --> 01:03:24,834
you know,
as a potential criminal.
1443
01:03:26,709 --> 01:03:28,959
- All right,
it's 9:59 on The FAN.
1444
01:03:29,041 --> 01:03:29,959
"Boomer and Carton" here.
1445
01:03:30,041 --> 01:03:31,959
This is me signing off
for today,
1446
01:03:32,041 --> 01:03:33,625
and it's been
a very interesting day
1447
01:03:33,709 --> 01:03:35,709
around here at WFAN for sure.
1448
01:03:35,792 --> 01:03:38,959
- I spoke to Boomer
after the show was over.
1449
01:03:39,041 --> 01:03:41,166
He said to me, "I think
he's got real trouble here."
1450
01:03:47,583 --> 01:03:49,125
- I knew we were popular,
1451
01:03:49,208 --> 01:03:51,458
but when I walked out
of that courtroom,
1452
01:03:51,542 --> 01:03:53,959
I mean, I've never experienced
anything like that in my life.
1453
01:03:57,583 --> 01:03:59,166
I mean, it was like
"Lord of the Flies"
1454
01:03:59,250 --> 01:04:00,875
amongst the media
to get in my face
1455
01:04:00,959 --> 01:04:03,166
with a camera or a microphone.
1456
01:04:03,250 --> 01:04:04,875
You know,
personal space meant nothing.
1457
01:04:08,750 --> 01:04:10,583
- When you see
the video footage of him
1458
01:04:10,667 --> 01:04:12,208
coming from the courthouse,
1459
01:04:12,291 --> 01:04:15,667
I mean, jaw-dropping doesn't
even begin to... I was stunned.
1460
01:04:19,250 --> 01:04:21,542
- I was hoping
it was some kind of mistake.
1461
01:04:26,250 --> 01:04:27,417
But it's highly unlikely
1462
01:04:27,500 --> 01:04:30,333
that federal prosecutors
are gonna drop these charges.
1463
01:04:30,417 --> 01:04:33,166
Especially with
a big public figure,
1464
01:04:33,250 --> 01:04:35,667
you usually shoot to kill.
1465
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:37,709
You don't shoot to wound.
1466
01:04:37,792 --> 01:04:40,250
And you usually don't miss
the shot.
1467
01:04:40,333 --> 01:04:42,875
- I knew right away
that I was screwed job-wise.
1468
01:04:42,959 --> 01:04:44,333
There was no doubt in my mind.
1469
01:04:49,125 --> 01:04:51,125
- That was the moment
that that show was over.
1470
01:04:59,291 --> 01:05:01,166
- I wanna say thank you
to all of our listeners
1471
01:05:01,250 --> 01:05:02,476
that reached out
to me yesterday.
1472
01:05:02,500 --> 01:05:04,542
As you can imagine,
my phone blew up
1473
01:05:04,625 --> 01:05:06,875
as everybody was finding out
what was going on.
1474
01:05:06,959 --> 01:05:08,875
- For ten years, we were one
1475
01:05:08,959 --> 01:05:12,375
of the most listened to sports
talk radio shows in America.
1476
01:05:12,458 --> 01:05:13,583
And for those ten years,
1477
01:05:13,667 --> 01:05:15,250
we never had a single argument.
1478
01:05:15,333 --> 01:05:17,375
Never had a single fight.
1479
01:05:17,458 --> 01:05:18,834
We were kinda brothers in arms.
1480
01:05:18,917 --> 01:05:20,417
- I just want people to know
out there
1481
01:05:20,500 --> 01:05:22,417
that I loved my partner
for ten years.
1482
01:05:22,500 --> 01:05:24,250
I still love my partner.
1483
01:05:24,333 --> 01:05:26,093
We tried to have
a conversation here or there
1484
01:05:26,166 --> 01:05:28,208
and, you know,
it never went well
1485
01:05:28,291 --> 01:05:29,643
because he didn't
wanna understand,
1486
01:05:29,667 --> 01:05:30,976
I don't think he wanted
to understand,
1487
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,643
that, you know, I have
other people in my life
1488
01:05:32,667 --> 01:05:34,959
that are like, "Get the hell
away from that guy.
1489
01:05:35,041 --> 01:05:37,583
He got arrested by the FBI."
1490
01:05:37,667 --> 01:05:40,458
- When you get arrested,
you don't tell the FBI,
1491
01:05:40,542 --> 01:05:42,792
"Give me a minute.
I gotta call 30 people."
1492
01:05:42,875 --> 01:05:44,291
So unfortunately, he found out
1493
01:05:44,375 --> 01:05:46,083
the way the rest of the world
found out.
1494
01:05:46,166 --> 01:05:48,250
He either texted
or emailed me back
1495
01:05:48,333 --> 01:05:50,917
that he needed a few days
before he could call me.
1496
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,083
- It took me a while.
1497
01:05:52,166 --> 01:05:53,291
It took me a while.
1498
01:05:53,375 --> 01:05:56,542
And the reason it took me
a while was because
1499
01:05:56,625 --> 01:05:58,458
I felt like
I didn't wanna know, you know?
1500
01:05:58,542 --> 01:06:01,417
I just... I don't wanna know
all the seedy details.
1501
01:06:03,375 --> 01:06:05,250
I didn't wanna
get myself embroiled
1502
01:06:05,333 --> 01:06:07,917
in what he had to do
to defend himself.
1503
01:06:10,375 --> 01:06:11,583
They told me to read this.
1504
01:06:11,667 --> 01:06:13,959
"My cohost Craig Carton has
been suspended from this show
1505
01:06:14,041 --> 01:06:15,583
until further notice."
1506
01:06:18,834 --> 01:06:22,250
I remember him sending me
a pretty negative email.
1507
01:06:22,333 --> 01:06:24,458
When I read the email,
it made me puke, actually,
1508
01:06:24,542 --> 01:06:26,875
it was just so pathetic, but...
1509
01:06:26,959 --> 01:06:28,959
And I remember
that I was very angry
1510
01:06:29,041 --> 01:06:30,625
when I got the email because...
1511
01:06:32,041 --> 01:06:34,166
You know, he talked
about something
1512
01:06:34,250 --> 01:06:35,500
that we often talked about
1513
01:06:35,583 --> 01:06:36,851
when once of us
would be in trouble.
1514
01:06:36,875 --> 01:06:38,291
You know, "We're foxhole guys."
1515
01:06:38,375 --> 01:06:40,017
That was something
that we would always say.
1516
01:06:40,041 --> 01:06:41,184
"I got your back.
I got your back.
1517
01:06:41,208 --> 01:06:42,417
You got my back."
1518
01:06:42,500 --> 01:06:44,476
And I always would tell him,
like, "I'll be in your foxhole
1519
01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:46,059
"as long as you don't bring
a hand grenade
1520
01:06:46,083 --> 01:06:48,792
in the foxhole with you."
1521
01:06:48,875 --> 01:06:50,834
I was very angry at that,
1522
01:06:50,917 --> 01:06:52,667
and that even pushed me
1523
01:06:52,750 --> 01:06:55,125
further away from him initially.
1524
01:07:00,250 --> 01:07:02,166
- So he's mad at me
that I ruined
1525
01:07:02,250 --> 01:07:04,291
what we had created.
1526
01:07:04,375 --> 01:07:07,542
He can be mad at me for that.
He should be.
1527
01:07:07,625 --> 01:07:10,125
But I didn't do it on purpose.
1528
01:07:10,208 --> 01:07:13,834
I didn't set out to ruin,
you know, "Boomer and Carton."
1529
01:07:21,542 --> 01:07:24,625
- He told me, "Nothing to this.
1530
01:07:24,709 --> 01:07:26,208
"It's a bunch of mistakes.
1531
01:07:26,291 --> 01:07:27,601
"They're gonna get
to the bottom of it
1532
01:07:27,625 --> 01:07:28,768
"and then they're gonna just,
1533
01:07:28,792 --> 01:07:30,917
you know, drop any charges
against him."
1534
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,834
- And I pleaded not guilty
to the charges against me.
1535
01:07:33,917 --> 01:07:35,667
I did that for one reason:
1536
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:37,917
because I am
unequivocally not guilty
1537
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,500
of what I'm being charged with.
1538
01:07:39,583 --> 01:07:41,208
- He took loans
1539
01:07:41,291 --> 01:07:45,375
and did not
immediately purchase tickets
1540
01:07:45,458 --> 01:07:47,333
with those moneys,
1541
01:07:47,417 --> 01:07:51,041
but treated those moneys
as if they were fungible
1542
01:07:51,125 --> 01:07:53,667
and purchased tickets
at a later date.
1543
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:55,875
- If you are soliciting
investments from people
1544
01:07:55,959 --> 01:07:57,643
and you do something
other than what you say
1545
01:07:57,667 --> 01:07:59,041
you're going to do
with the money,
1546
01:07:59,125 --> 01:08:02,417
that is fraud.
1547
01:08:02,500 --> 01:08:04,041
- Radio host Craig Carton.
1548
01:08:04,125 --> 01:08:07,041
This afternoon,
a jury convicted him.
1549
01:08:07,125 --> 01:08:09,417
Carton was accused
of swindling investors
1550
01:08:09,500 --> 01:08:12,750
in a ticket reselling business.
1551
01:08:12,834 --> 01:08:14,142
- When it finally came
to fruition
1552
01:08:14,166 --> 01:08:17,291
that he was found guilty
and there was no defense,
1553
01:08:17,375 --> 01:08:18,518
he realized
that was the end of it
1554
01:08:18,542 --> 01:08:21,417
and that was the reality of it.
1555
01:08:21,500 --> 01:08:24,709
- On the day of sentencing,
Carton was subdued.
1556
01:08:24,792 --> 01:08:27,417
You know, this is kinda
the walk of shame here.
1557
01:08:27,500 --> 01:08:29,267
I think he was wearing a jacket
and even a tie.
1558
01:08:29,291 --> 01:08:30,959
I had never seen him
do that before.
1559
01:08:31,041 --> 01:08:33,375
He was like a chastised kid.
1560
01:08:33,458 --> 01:08:35,625
He got up
and addressed the court
1561
01:08:35,709 --> 01:08:36,750
and delivered, you know,
1562
01:08:36,834 --> 01:08:39,250
an emotional,
soul-baring account
1563
01:08:39,333 --> 01:08:41,875
of his gambling addiction,
of his sexual abuse,
1564
01:08:41,959 --> 01:08:44,417
of his regret.
1565
01:08:44,500 --> 01:08:45,417
His family was there.
1566
01:08:45,500 --> 01:08:47,125
You know, it was hard
to see the family.
1567
01:08:51,709 --> 01:08:55,792
- Judge McMahon sentenced Craig
to 3 1/2 years,
1568
01:08:55,875 --> 01:08:58,208
and he has to pay restitution
1569
01:08:58,291 --> 01:09:01,458
back to the victims
in his criminal case.
1570
01:09:01,542 --> 01:09:02,851
- The feeling you have
when you look
1571
01:09:02,875 --> 01:09:05,291
at Craig Carton's situation
is sadness,
1572
01:09:05,375 --> 01:09:06,792
because there are no winners.
1573
01:09:06,875 --> 01:09:08,333
There's nothing good that came
1574
01:09:08,417 --> 01:09:10,125
of the trouble
he got himself in.
1575
01:09:10,208 --> 01:09:12,667
There was only losers.
1576
01:09:12,750 --> 01:09:15,792
- You look at the talent,
1577
01:09:15,875 --> 01:09:19,291
the friendships, the lies,
1578
01:09:19,375 --> 01:09:21,083
and you just say to yourself,
"Why?
1579
01:09:21,166 --> 01:09:22,458
Why?"
1580
01:09:27,041 --> 01:09:30,625
- All of a sudden, it's like,
"Wow, that ten years is gone."
1581
01:09:30,709 --> 01:09:31,935
You know,
as fast as it happened,
1582
01:09:31,959 --> 01:09:33,125
that's how quick it ended.
1583
01:09:49,959 --> 01:09:52,667
- Day 371.
1584
01:09:52,750 --> 01:09:55,333
In prison jargon,
I have two sleeps and a wake
1585
01:09:55,417 --> 01:09:57,500
before I leave this place.
1586
01:09:57,583 --> 01:09:59,917
For the first month,
my wife and family wrote me
1587
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,667
every single day.
1588
01:10:01,750 --> 01:10:03,959
I saved every one
of those letters.
1589
01:10:04,041 --> 01:10:05,834
They mean the world to me.
1590
01:10:05,917 --> 01:10:08,333
I've been away from them
for a year.
1591
01:10:08,417 --> 01:10:09,542
I'm going to work hard
1592
01:10:09,625 --> 01:10:11,875
to rebuild my relationship
with them
1593
01:10:11,959 --> 01:10:15,875
and everyone else in my life.
1594
01:10:15,959 --> 01:10:17,291
I'm excited and nervous.
1595
01:10:17,375 --> 01:10:19,583
Excited to leave
this place behind,
1596
01:10:19,667 --> 01:10:22,959
but nervous because I have
no idea what's waiting for me
1597
01:10:23,041 --> 01:10:25,000
beyond the gates.
1598
01:10:25,083 --> 01:10:26,583
I'm 51.
1599
01:10:26,667 --> 01:10:27,875
I had it all
1600
01:10:27,959 --> 01:10:29,709
and I lost it all,
1601
01:10:29,792 --> 01:10:33,375
and now I've gotta start
all over again.
1602
01:10:50,625 --> 01:10:53,250
- I see a number pop up
on my screen
1603
01:10:53,333 --> 01:10:55,625
and I hear
a very familiar voice saying,
1604
01:10:55,709 --> 01:10:57,583
"Hey, it's me. I'm out."
1605
01:10:57,667 --> 01:10:59,208
And it was Craigy.
1606
01:10:59,291 --> 01:11:00,750
He's paid his debt to society.
1607
01:11:00,834 --> 01:11:02,625
He did not get out
because of coronavirus.
1608
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:04,109
He got out
because of all the things
1609
01:11:04,166 --> 01:11:05,959
he was doing in prison
1610
01:11:06,041 --> 01:11:09,792
to get early release.
1611
01:11:09,875 --> 01:11:12,917
What I heard was a happy
and relieved Craig Carton.
1612
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:14,583
He was with
his family yesterday.
1613
01:11:14,667 --> 01:11:16,792
They all went to pick him up
at the penitentiary
1614
01:11:16,875 --> 01:11:17,917
and they brought him home,
1615
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,917
and now the real work begins
for him,
1616
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:24,625
and that's rebuilding his life.
1617
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:25,851
- There was a point
where I thought
1618
01:11:25,875 --> 01:11:27,750
this day was never gonna come.
1619
01:11:27,834 --> 01:11:29,625
Greatest moment I had
in over a year.
1620
01:11:29,709 --> 01:11:32,417
Just seeing my wife,
seeing my four kids,
1621
01:11:32,500 --> 01:11:34,834
seeing the smiles on their faces
1622
01:11:34,917 --> 01:11:36,333
and the tears of joy
1623
01:11:36,417 --> 01:11:39,625
that their dad and husband
finally got out of prison.
1624
01:11:48,375 --> 01:11:49,518
And now it's just about enjoying
1625
01:11:49,542 --> 01:11:50,583
all the little things.
1626
01:11:50,667 --> 01:11:52,625
Looking up in the sky,
seeing the sun, clouds,
1627
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:53,875
hearing birds chirp,
1628
01:11:53,959 --> 01:11:55,667
being able to walk
down the street,
1629
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:58,667
being able to work, being able
to spend time with my family,
1630
01:11:58,750 --> 01:12:00,166
and just having my freedom back,
1631
01:12:00,250 --> 01:12:03,333
which is something, for sure,
I took for granted.
1632
01:12:08,208 --> 01:12:10,458
Boomer was the very first
person I called,
1633
01:12:10,542 --> 01:12:13,291
and I probably got to him
about 27 minutes after
1634
01:12:13,375 --> 01:12:15,125
I actually walked out of prison.
1635
01:12:15,208 --> 01:12:17,834
It was important that he be
the first person I called.
1636
01:12:17,917 --> 01:12:20,625
My relationship with him,
it's had its ups and downs,
1637
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:24,500
but all the downs were
inflicted by my actions.
1638
01:12:24,583 --> 01:12:25,834
So I'm really happy to say
1639
01:12:25,917 --> 01:12:28,875
that Boomer and I are
in a very good place now.
1640
01:12:28,959 --> 01:12:32,333
Closer than we've been
in a long time.
1641
01:12:32,417 --> 01:12:33,709
He was mad at me,
1642
01:12:33,792 --> 01:12:35,375
and he had every right
to be mad at me,
1643
01:12:35,458 --> 01:12:36,792
and the other guys on the show,
1644
01:12:36,875 --> 01:12:39,875
they had every right
to be angry with me too.
1645
01:12:39,959 --> 01:12:42,041
I would love to just look
in that camera
1646
01:12:42,125 --> 01:12:43,893
and one day look them all
in the eye and just say
1647
01:12:43,917 --> 01:12:45,166
I'm sorry for being selfish
1648
01:12:45,250 --> 01:12:49,834
and into my own shit
way too much
1649
01:12:49,917 --> 01:12:53,417
and not taking account
of, you know, their wellbeing.
1650
01:12:55,417 --> 01:12:57,959
And I also have to be upfront
with who I am,
1651
01:12:58,041 --> 01:12:59,917
and I have to do that 24/7.
1652
01:13:00,041 --> 01:13:01,875
That can never take a day off.
1653
01:13:01,959 --> 01:13:03,750
The pledge I made to the people
1654
01:13:03,834 --> 01:13:05,709
who did stay with me
through prison
1655
01:13:05,792 --> 01:13:07,834
is that I'll do that.
1656
01:13:07,917 --> 01:13:10,041
They deserve me
to be straight with them.
1657
01:13:10,125 --> 01:13:11,542
Honest with them.
1658
01:13:11,625 --> 01:13:13,083
And if I ever go back
on that pledge,
1659
01:13:13,166 --> 01:13:16,291
I don't deserve those people
to be there for me.
1660
01:13:17,792 --> 01:13:19,875
If I falter, I lose everything.
1661
01:13:19,959 --> 01:13:22,166
If I make those mistakes again,
1662
01:13:22,250 --> 01:13:24,041
I lose my family.
1663
01:13:24,125 --> 01:13:26,375
There's no,
"Hey, you get another shot.
1664
01:13:26,458 --> 01:13:28,500
Hey, we're gonna sit
through this crap"... no.
1665
01:13:28,583 --> 01:13:30,583
No, no, no.
1666
01:13:30,667 --> 01:13:34,125
If I go down
the rabbit hole again,
1667
01:13:34,208 --> 01:13:35,583
it's over.
1668
01:13:41,792 --> 01:13:43,417
What's important
that it comes through
1669
01:13:43,500 --> 01:13:46,917
that I recognize
why I went to prison.
1670
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,041
I take full ownership
of every bad decision I made.
1671
01:13:53,125 --> 01:13:54,125
Every one of 'em.
1672
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,709
No one forced me
to do anything I did.
1673
01:13:59,792 --> 01:14:02,667
I was an adult
in clear control of my actions.
1674
01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:09,041
Going to prison
is a lifechanging experience,
1675
01:14:09,125 --> 01:14:10,917
and I emerged a better person.
1676
01:14:14,500 --> 01:14:16,291
What I learned about myself,
1677
01:14:16,375 --> 01:14:18,959
other than the fact
that I'm a compulsive gambler,
1678
01:14:19,041 --> 01:14:22,291
is that I'm a lousy businessman
1679
01:14:22,375 --> 01:14:24,208
and I'm good at one thing,
1680
01:14:24,291 --> 01:14:26,750
and that's hosting a radio show.
1681
01:14:26,834 --> 01:14:29,208
When you come to terms
with what you're good at
1682
01:14:29,291 --> 01:14:30,625
and what you're not good at
1683
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:33,125
and can be honest about that,
1684
01:14:33,208 --> 01:14:35,542
man, that's liberating.
1685
01:14:37,583 --> 01:14:40,000
I've spent every day
for the last year
1686
01:14:40,083 --> 01:14:42,917
dreaming of the opportunity
to be back on the radio,
1687
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:46,250
and I can't wait
just to flick a button
1688
01:14:46,333 --> 01:14:50,000
and welcome an audience
into my world again.
1689
01:16:33,834 --> 01:16:36,834
This has been
a presentation of HBO Sports.
1690
01:16:36,858 --> 01:16:39,858
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