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<i>In 2016 we faced an attack
of a new kind.</i>

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The Russians hacked democracy.

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<i>The Russian interference
only worked</i>

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<i>because America was
a vulnerable target.</i>

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<i>In the alleged collusion...</i>

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These allegations are just
absolutely preposterous.

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Of course Russians preferred
Trump because Trump said

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that he preferred Russians.

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<i>The following is
a presentation of HBO Sports.</i>

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<i>- My name is Craig Carton.</i>

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<i>I have lived
through the most public,</i>

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<i>vicious, self-inflicted
fall from grace.</i>

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<i>I was the cohost
of "Boomer and Carton,"</i>

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<i>one of the most successful
sports radio shows in America.</i>

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<i>I fought my way to the top,</i>

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<i>and for ten years,
I had the dream job.</i>

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<i>But it was never enough.</i>

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<i>Never enough to make me happy.</i>

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<i>Never enough
to chase away the demons</i>

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<i>that have haunted me
since childhood.</i>

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<i>I had it all.</i>

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<i>The career.
The beautiful country house.</i>

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<i>I made more than $2 million
a year.</i>

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<i>And now, it's all gone.</i>

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<i>I've hurt my wife
and kids deeply,</i>

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<i>and I've promised to shield them</i>

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<i>from the public spotlight
that's on me.</i>

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<i>But I am going to tell you
my story</i>

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<i>of how stupidity, bad decisions,</i>

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<i>and a secret addiction
cost me everything,</i>

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<i>including the one thing
I took for granted:</i>

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<i>my freedom.</i>

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<i>- Cross Island Parkway
northbound left lanes</i>

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<i>locked up with a crash
by the Grand Central.</i>

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<i>- Offer ends March 29th.</i>

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<i>Terms and restrictions...</i>

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<i>- With great offers
on everything</i>

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<i>from airfare to accommoda...</i>

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<i>- It's Boomer Esiason
and Craig Carton on The FAN.</i>

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- Welcome, welcome, welcome.

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Boomer Esiason and Craig Carton
on The FAN

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and, of course, worldwide.

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<i>September 4, 2007,</i>

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was the very first show
for "Boomer and Carton,"

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and ten years later,

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it was the number one
most listened to morning show

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in New York and in America.

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There you go.

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- What am I doing with my life?

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<i>- "Boomer and Carton" became
a sensation.</i>

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<i>Boomer had the big name,
but Carton had the skills.</i>

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He had that magic.

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Now sometimes, he'd go
a little too far,

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but he could really make a show
out of nothing.

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- We're doing what manly men do.

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We're exfoliating.

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We have cucumbers on our eyes

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and we're picking
football games.

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Hit it, boys.

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- I have never met
anybody like him in my life.

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He is like a cross
between a Martian

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and, like, Don Rickles.

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- So LeBron James being a loser,

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a big choke-arse, a big donut,
a big nothing.

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<i>At 6:00, when the music rolled</i>

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<i>and the light went on,</i>

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something just overcame him,
an energy

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a passion for what he was doing.

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- I win. Yes!

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Whoo!

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Adrienne!

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I did it!

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<i>- In terms
of morning sports hosts,</i>

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I would put him at the top
of the list.

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I couldn't even think
of a close second.

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- Jerry, good morning.
How you doing, buddy?

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<i>- Craig, don't ever lose
your sense of humor.</i>

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- I never will.
I've seen myself naked.

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<i>- Craig comes from a line
of shock jocks.</i>

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You know, he's sort of happy
to portray himself

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as a bit of an asshole.

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- He got a reaction, no matter
what you thought of him.

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You wanted to throw stuff
at your radio,

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or you wanted to be
one of his gang.

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- It really was a "love him
or hate him" relationship.

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- If you wanna go into it,
let's go into it,

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but not today, because I got
other people who wanna talk

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and you're boring me.

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Good-bye.

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- I mean, he had the will
to do some stuff

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that was just outrageous.

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<i>I mean, he walked
across the Brooklyn Bridge</i>

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<i>in a Speedo with a sausage
in his pants.</i>

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I mean,
what are we talking about?

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- This business is about
ratings and revenue,

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and Craig Carton has proven
he can get both.

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<i>6:03 a.m.</i>

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<i>Good morning, everybody!</i>

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<i>Boomer Esiason,
Craig Carton on The FAN.</i>

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<i>As you wake up this morning,</i>

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the New York Jets have been
knocked out

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of the post season,

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but in addition to that,

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what else do you need to see

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to understand
that Mike Woodson can't coach?

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On the radio, I'm a big mouth,
I'm loud, I'm obnoxious,

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it's boisterous,
and I'm successful,

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and I'm gonna throw that
in everyone's face,

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because that's the type of show
I did.

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You have 500 other choices
on the radio

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and guess what you do.

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You listen to me.

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'Cause you can't live
without me.

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- Craig's on-air personality
is an act.

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It's a very polished,
well-rehearsed act.

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<i>- He was funny, he was edgy,
he was into the show,</i>

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but at the end of the day,
when the show was off,

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he became
one of the nicest people

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you ever wanna meet.

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<i>- There are a lot of different
angles to that guy.</i>

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There's Craig,
who is very thoughtful,

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very kind, very timid, very shy,

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<i>and then there's Carton.</i>

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- You have to listen
with your ears,

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not with your fat face.

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- And he's an asshole.

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- But off the air, he's kind.

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<i>He's generous.</i>

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- He also cared about charities
that he worked with.

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You know, fire department,
police department,

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<i>the 9/11 first responders.</i>

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- You're the brave men
and women that show up,

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and we're indebted to you
for doing that.

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- He has compassion for kids
who are misunderstood,

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<i>'cause I think
that's how he sees himself</i>

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<i>when he was growing up.</i>

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- When I say "camp,"
you say "Carton."

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Carton!

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Carton!

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<i>- I love Craig.</i>

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<i>I owe a lot to him
for our success on radio.</i>

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<i>We were a team.</i>

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<i>We had the world
by the balls, man.</i>

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<i>We had built the brand,</i>

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<i>and the brand
was unbelievably popular,</i>

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and he went off the wagon

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or however you wanna describe it

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and just, you know, ruined
what we all had.

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<i>- July 6, 2019.</i>

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<i>Day 20.</i>

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<i>This is my first month
in prison,</i>

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<i>and I'm keeping this journal
as a part of rehab.</i>

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<i>I'm just another prisoner,</i>

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<i>and everything I own fits</i>

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<i>into this 7 foot
by 7 foot cubicle.</i>

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<i>Lunch is at 10:00
in the morning,</i>

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<i>and dinner at 3:00
in the afternoon.</i>

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<i>Every meal seems to be served
with rice and beans.</i>

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<i>One wrong move here
and they send you to the hole,</i>

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<i>solitary confinement
in the big house next door.</i>

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<i>Lewisburg is a notorious prison.</i>

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<i>Jimmy Hoffa and John Gotti
did time here.</i>

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<i>Ever since I was a kid,</i>

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<i>my greatest fear
was being sent to prison.</i>

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<i>My dad once had me locked
in a cell</i>

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<i>in our local police station
for a couple of minutes.</i>

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<i>That was only a prank.</i>

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<i>This is all too real.</i>

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<i>From the outside looking in,</i>

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<i>we had a very basic, typical,
middle-class family.</i>

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<i>I had an older brother</i>

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<i>and a younger sister.</i>

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<i>- My dad's name was Paul.</i>

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<i>He was an orthopedic surgeon,</i>

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<i>had a very small practice
in Yonkers, New York.</i>

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<i>My mother's name was Bobbi.</i>

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<i>She used to be
a registered nurse,</i>

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<i>then became a real estate agent.</i>

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<i>I was a good athlete</i>

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<i>and I had my core group</i>

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<i>of, you know,
five or six buddies.</i>

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<i>You know, we did
what normal kids</i>

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<i>in the '70s and '80s did.</i>

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<i>Play outside
as much as possible.</i>

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We'd play cards
on Friday nights.

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<i>I got Intellivision.</i>

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<i>It was a gaming console</i>

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<i>which had blackjack
and craps on it.</i>

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<i>I turned that
into a living room casino,</i>

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<i>and that came to an end
when a kid's father came</i>

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<i>to our front door,
knocked on it.</i>

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He goes, "With all due respect,

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"if you just look
in your backyard,

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my son's bike is there."

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"Why is your son's bike here?"

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"He lost it to your son
in a game of blackjack."

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I mean, I was a middle schooler
at that time.

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<i>Now, I know my parents love me,</i>

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<i>but they just never said it.</i>

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<i>I didn't think
that my voice mattered,</i>

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<i>so I was always fighting
for approval,</i>

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<i>and I grew up,</i>

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you know, very protective
of my emotions.

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<i>I was also hiding
from some childhood trauma,</i>

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<i>demons I had
mentally, emotionally,</i>

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<i>and that goes back to something</i>

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<i>I didn't tell anyone about.</i>

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<i>Something I clearly built up
bad coping habits</i>

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<i>to get through it.</i>

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Living a life of secrets

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<i>and lying and protecting myself</i>

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<i>really became my salvation</i>

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<i>and my life preserver.</i>

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And I've been doing it
ever since.

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<i>When I left home at 18
for college,</i>

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<i>I got into Syracuse</i>

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<i>and was enrolled there
in the fall of 1987.</i>

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<i>I majored
in broadcast journalism.</i>

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Good evening and welcome
to "Sports Look Tonight."

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I'm Craig Carton, and tonight,
we'll take a look

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at how the Celtics are doing
without Bird.

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<i>I got very little experience,</i>

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so I immersed myself
in being on the radio,

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<i>and I fell in love with it.</i>

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<i>Radio allowed me to be
whoever I wanted to be.</i>

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It gave me an outlet
to be opinionated,

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to be boisterous, to be loud,
to be confident,

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<i>all the things I really wasn't</i>

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<i>in my interpersonal
relationships,</i>

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so I basically was able
to create

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an on-air version of myself
that I liked.

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<i>When you turned on a microphone</i>

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<i>in front of my mouth,
I could just do it,</i>

234
00:11:43,917 --> 00:11:44,917
and that's what I did.

235
00:11:44,959 --> 00:11:46,959
<i>- WGR with Craig Carton.</i>

236
00:11:47,041 --> 00:11:48,500
<i>- Yeah!</i>

237
00:11:48,583 --> 00:11:49,834
<i>The weekend is back.</i>

238
00:11:49,917 --> 00:11:51,709
<i>Here on 3WE.</i>

239
00:11:51,792 --> 00:11:53,226
<i>A little bit less
than a half hour to go.</i>

240
00:11:53,250 --> 00:11:55,500
<i>"Sportsline" and you till 7:00.</i>

241
00:11:55,583 --> 00:11:57,709
<i>Craig Carton...</i>

242
00:11:57,792 --> 00:11:59,667
<i>Sports radio, 610 WIP.</i>

243
00:11:59,750 --> 00:12:01,430
<i>Well, a lot of stuff going on
this morning.</i>

244
00:12:02,458 --> 00:12:03,559
<i>It's a radio station in Denver.</i>

245
00:12:03,583 --> 00:12:04,500
<i>You're on the air.</i>

246
00:12:04,583 --> 00:12:06,041
<i>We're doing a search for Busch</i>

247
00:12:06,125 --> 00:12:07,667
<i>and we're wondering
if you have Busch.</i>

248
00:12:07,750 --> 00:12:08,875
<i>Is this a joke? both: No.</i>

249
00:12:08,959 --> 00:12:10,875
<i>- We're doing a search
for Busch.</i>

250
00:12:12,750 --> 00:12:14,709
<i>It's called a radio show.</i>

251
00:12:14,792 --> 00:12:16,917
I always viewed it as that.
It's a show.

252
00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,500
So I'm putting on a performance.

253
00:12:18,583 --> 00:12:20,000
<i>Doesn't get any weaker
than that.</i>

254
00:12:20,083 --> 00:12:21,667
<i>Lethargic. Pathetic.</i>

255
00:12:21,750 --> 00:12:24,041
<i>I mean, if I had a thesaurus,
I'd give you ten other words</i>

256
00:12:24,125 --> 00:12:26,500
<i>to describe
how the Cavs played yesterday.</i>

257
00:12:26,583 --> 00:12:29,709
I wanted to be the guy
that had the balls to say

258
00:12:29,792 --> 00:12:33,083
what most people are thinking
without fear of retribution.

259
00:12:35,709 --> 00:12:38,083
<i>- He's shown in every market
that he's been in</i>

260
00:12:38,166 --> 00:12:41,417
that he gets ratings,
that he pushes buttons,

261
00:12:41,500 --> 00:12:43,250
he creates headlines.

262
00:12:43,333 --> 00:12:44,417
<i>For an audience,</i>

263
00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:46,125
<i>if they love him
or they hate him,</i>

264
00:12:46,208 --> 00:12:47,291
<i>they can't resist him.</i>

265
00:12:47,375 --> 00:12:49,125
<i>- Is this a picture
of your daughter?</i>

266
00:12:50,166 --> 00:12:52,083
<i>This is not
an attractive daughter.</i>

267
00:12:52,166 --> 00:12:53,417
<i>I got an email one day</i>

268
00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:56,625
<i>that the morning show at WNEW
in New York,</i>

269
00:12:56,709 --> 00:12:59,083
<i>they had just fired
one of the hosts,</i>

270
00:12:59,166 --> 00:13:01,458
and they hired me
off of two demo shows.

271
00:13:01,542 --> 00:13:04,917
<i>The "Sports Guys," WNEW,
here in New York City.</i>

272
00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,709
<i>I was now the morning man
in the city I grew up in.</i>

273
00:13:08,792 --> 00:13:11,083
<i>Sid Rosenberg was the cohost.</i>

274
00:13:11,166 --> 00:13:13,166
<i>- We became very friendly
very, very quickly,</i>

275
00:13:13,250 --> 00:13:16,917
and he was really okay
being that second guy, right?

276
00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,458
"I just got here.
You've been here, Sid.

277
00:13:19,542 --> 00:13:22,041
You're the host of the show.
You're the guy."

278
00:13:22,125 --> 00:13:24,000
<i>- Hey, I got a new tagline
for you.</i>

279
00:13:24,083 --> 00:13:26,834
<i>"One sports guru,
one sports idiot."</i>

280
00:13:26,917 --> 00:13:29,291
<i>- Why would you refer to Sid
as a sports idiot?</i>

281
00:13:29,375 --> 00:13:30,893
<i>- No, it's not... Craig.
It's not Sidney.</i>

282
00:13:30,917 --> 00:13:31,834
<i>- Oh.
- It's Craig.</i>

283
00:13:31,917 --> 00:13:32,935
<i>Craig, come on.</i>

284
00:13:32,959 --> 00:13:34,458
<i>You gotta get off the horse.</i>

285
00:13:34,542 --> 00:13:36,458
<i>- He agreed to be
that second wheel</i>

286
00:13:36,542 --> 00:13:38,458
<i>until one Monday morning</i>

287
00:13:38,542 --> 00:13:42,125
<i>when I saw Craig
sitting in the host's chair.</i>

288
00:13:42,208 --> 00:13:43,458
He was the better talent.

289
00:13:43,542 --> 00:13:44,917
He should've been in that chair.

290
00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,518
But when you come up
a month or two before

291
00:13:46,542 --> 00:13:47,917
with your tail between your legs

292
00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,625
and your balls
basically in your mouth,

293
00:13:49,709 --> 00:13:51,750
thankful to God
you got this job,

294
00:13:51,834 --> 00:13:54,125
<i>you don't sit
in the host's chair.</i>

295
00:13:54,208 --> 00:13:56,709
<i>So needless to say,
that Monday morning</i>

296
00:13:56,792 --> 00:13:57,917
was the very beginning

297
00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,041
of what turned out to be
many, many years

298
00:14:00,125 --> 00:14:01,500
of a hateful relationship.

299
00:14:04,750 --> 00:14:07,000
<i>- In December of 2001,
they said,</i>

300
00:14:07,083 --> 00:14:09,542
<i>"Well, you're not being fired,
but you're not being renewed."</i>

301
00:14:09,625 --> 00:14:12,208
So I walked
into a last place show

302
00:14:12,291 --> 00:14:16,000
and left... I'm pretty sure
it was a last place show.

303
00:14:16,083 --> 00:14:18,417
<i>And in May of 2002,</i>

304
00:14:18,500 --> 00:14:20,125
<i>I started doing
the afternoon show</i>

305
00:14:20,208 --> 00:14:21,125
<i>in New Jersey.</i>

306
00:14:21,208 --> 00:14:22,667
<i>2:34, "Jersey Guys."</i>

307
00:14:22,750 --> 00:14:24,333
<i>Craig Carton and Ray Rossi.</i>

308
00:14:24,417 --> 00:14:26,125
- He was one of the Jersey Guys

309
00:14:26,208 --> 00:14:28,500
on New Jersey 101.5.

310
00:14:28,583 --> 00:14:30,959
<i>Craig was one
of the afternoon drive guys,</i>

311
00:14:31,041 --> 00:14:33,458
<i>and I was the United States
Attorney at the time,</i>

312
00:14:33,542 --> 00:14:37,375
<i>and that's how we first met
and we became friends.</i>

313
00:14:37,458 --> 00:14:40,041
<i>- I got in a lot of trouble
publicly,</i>

314
00:14:40,125 --> 00:14:41,875
but I always viewed that
as a good thing.

315
00:14:41,959 --> 00:14:43,239
<i>Instead of saying West Virginia,</i>

316
00:14:43,291 --> 00:14:44,434
<i>you know what they put
on the screen</i>

317
00:14:44,458 --> 00:14:45,542
<i>on ESPN last night?</i>

318
00:14:45,625 --> 00:14:46,875
<i>What? - West Virgina.</i>

319
00:14:48,625 --> 00:14:49,709
<i>Very quickly became</i>

320
00:14:49,792 --> 00:14:52,667
<i>the most listened to
afternoon show in America.</i>

321
00:14:52,750 --> 00:14:54,709
- I had the best seat
in the house.

322
00:14:54,792 --> 00:14:57,667
<i>I was sitting back ringside
watching it all happen.</i>

323
00:14:57,750 --> 00:15:00,041
<i>He got to pull back
a lot of the curtain on things</i>

324
00:15:00,125 --> 00:15:01,667
because he wasn't afraid
to expose you.

325
00:15:01,750 --> 00:15:03,500
He wasn't afraid
to call people out.

326
00:15:03,583 --> 00:15:04,875
<i>- The real question
was gonna be,</i>

327
00:15:04,959 --> 00:15:08,041
<i>would his outrageousness on-air,</i>

328
00:15:08,125 --> 00:15:10,917
would that prevent
a bigger broadcaster

329
00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,750
from being willing
to take a chance on him?

330
00:15:16,458 --> 00:15:18,417
<i>- And I'm sitting there one day</i>

331
00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:22,625
and Don Imus utters the words,
"nappy-headed hos."

332
00:15:22,709 --> 00:15:24,375
Those words changed my life.

333
00:15:24,458 --> 00:15:25,917
<i>- Some rough girls from Rutgers.</i>

334
00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,709
<i>Man, they got tattoos and...</i>

335
00:15:27,792 --> 00:15:29,375
<i>That's some
nappy-headed hos there,</i>

336
00:15:29,458 --> 00:15:31,125
<i>I'm gonna tell you that now.</i>

337
00:15:31,208 --> 00:15:34,750
- Don Imus got suspended
and then fired for what he said

338
00:15:34,834 --> 00:15:37,709
about the Rutgers women's
basketball team.

339
00:15:37,792 --> 00:15:40,417
<i>- "Imus in the Morning"
had been a legendary show</i>

340
00:15:40,500 --> 00:15:43,792
and really had helped create
what became WFAN,

341
00:15:43,875 --> 00:15:46,250
the most important
sports talk show station

342
00:15:46,333 --> 00:15:47,417
in the country.

343
00:15:47,500 --> 00:15:49,917
<i>- The FAN, Sports Radio 66.</i>

344
00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,208
- When Imus was removed
from the air,

345
00:15:52,291 --> 00:15:54,875
it was a giant blow.

346
00:15:54,959 --> 00:15:55,959
<i>It was ratings,</i>

347
00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,083
<i>but even more so,
it was revenue.</i>

348
00:15:59,166 --> 00:16:02,417
- Everyone well-known Tom,
Dick, and Harry wanted the job

349
00:16:02,500 --> 00:16:03,583
'cause, you know,

350
00:16:03,667 --> 00:16:05,333
it's the single best platform
in radio.

351
00:16:08,250 --> 00:16:10,792
<i>- I tried Jim Cramer,
I tried Lou Dobbs,</i>

352
00:16:10,875 --> 00:16:14,834
<i>I tried Joe Scarborough,
I tried the McEnroe brothers,</i>

353
00:16:14,917 --> 00:16:20,125
<i>I teamed up Boomer Esiason
with Monica Crowley.</i>

354
00:16:20,208 --> 00:16:22,083
Thought the show
was a little too political.

355
00:16:22,166 --> 00:16:25,667
I said, "I don't think that's
the direction we wanna go."

356
00:16:25,750 --> 00:16:27,500
<i>- I got a phone call,</i>

357
00:16:27,583 --> 00:16:28,851
<i>and they asked
if I'd be interested</i>

358
00:16:28,875 --> 00:16:31,291
in doing the morning show
at WFAN.

359
00:16:35,083 --> 00:16:38,083
- Craig and I talked a lot
about the really short leash

360
00:16:38,166 --> 00:16:40,792
that his contract
was putting him on,

361
00:16:40,875 --> 00:16:42,333
<i>and if he did anything</i>

362
00:16:42,417 --> 00:16:45,291
<i>that they found to be
objectionable, distasteful,</i>

363
00:16:45,375 --> 00:16:47,015
<i>that they could
terminate him immediately,</i>

364
00:16:47,083 --> 00:16:49,017
and I said to him, "I think
that's the only contract

365
00:16:49,041 --> 00:16:50,834
"you're gonna get to sign.

366
00:16:50,917 --> 00:16:54,834
So I'd sign it if I were you
and behave yourself."

367
00:16:54,917 --> 00:16:56,101
<i>- They wanted me to have
a cohost,</i>

368
00:16:56,125 --> 00:16:58,166
<i>and I said,
"Who's the cohost gonna be?"</i>

369
00:16:58,250 --> 00:17:01,125
And they said,
"New Yorkers love him.

370
00:17:01,208 --> 00:17:04,041
"He was a quarterback,
he's blond,

371
00:17:04,125 --> 00:17:05,834
and he played in New York."

372
00:17:05,917 --> 00:17:08,208
<i>And I said, "Great. Phil Simms.</i>

373
00:17:08,291 --> 00:17:09,542
<i>He'll be a great partner."</i>

374
00:17:09,625 --> 00:17:12,291
<i>And they said, "No, this one
didn't win the Super Bowl."</i>

375
00:17:12,375 --> 00:17:13,393
<i>And I've always made the joke,</i>

376
00:17:13,417 --> 00:17:15,333
I was like, "Shit, it's Boomer?"

377
00:17:15,417 --> 00:17:16,601
<i>- Well, I mentioned it
to Boomer,</i>

378
00:17:16,625 --> 00:17:18,601
<i>and he didn't wanna have
anything to do with Craig.</i>

379
00:17:18,625 --> 00:17:21,375
I said, "Boomer,
he's really talented

380
00:17:21,458 --> 00:17:23,291
"and, you know,
it might be a good mix.

381
00:17:23,375 --> 00:17:26,333
It's worth a shot."

382
00:17:26,417 --> 00:17:28,417
<i>- We met at the Brooklyn Diner.</i>

383
00:17:28,500 --> 00:17:30,500
Kay, we had never met before,
and he said...

384
00:17:30,583 --> 00:17:32,750
- "Let it rip
and let's see what happens."

385
00:17:32,834 --> 00:17:34,375
6:06 on The FAN.

386
00:17:34,458 --> 00:17:36,583
Good morning and welcome
to the first ever edition

387
00:17:36,667 --> 00:17:38,041
of the "Boomer and Carton" show.

388
00:17:38,125 --> 00:17:39,417
Boomer Esiason, Craig Carton.

389
00:17:39,500 --> 00:17:40,834
Good morning, Boomer, buddy boy.

390
00:17:40,917 --> 00:17:41,834
How are you today?

391
00:17:41,917 --> 00:17:43,417
- I'm wide awake
this morning, Craig.

392
00:17:43,500 --> 00:17:45,184
It's good to see you.
It's great to work with you.

393
00:17:45,208 --> 00:17:47,250
<i>- When they brought in
"Boomer and Carton,"</i>

394
00:17:47,333 --> 00:17:49,542
<i>they didn't know that they'd
be able to replace Imus,</i>

395
00:17:49,625 --> 00:17:51,417
and they made it
a number one hit.

396
00:17:51,500 --> 00:17:52,768
- You know what's happening
right now?

397
00:17:52,792 --> 00:17:54,542
Every guy that listens
to this show,

398
00:17:54,625 --> 00:17:56,875
all 3.7 million of 'em, right?

399
00:17:56,959 --> 00:17:59,000
<i>- Boomer's sports knowledge
was great,</i>

400
00:17:59,083 --> 00:18:00,834
and I knew Craig
was an entertainer.

401
00:18:00,917 --> 00:18:02,601
No one gave them a prayer,

402
00:18:02,625 --> 00:18:04,583
but here, 3 1/2 years later,

403
00:18:04,667 --> 00:18:06,625
they dominate
the radio landscape

404
00:18:06,709 --> 00:18:08,250
with booger jokes.

405
00:18:08,333 --> 00:18:10,750
- He was able to articulate

406
00:18:10,834 --> 00:18:14,750
just absolutely crazy opinions
with a straight face.

407
00:18:14,834 --> 00:18:15,875
- Dwarves.

408
00:18:15,959 --> 00:18:17,309
That's my answer.
- That's your answer.

409
00:18:17,333 --> 00:18:19,542
- You bring out...
You give every dwarf

410
00:18:19,625 --> 00:18:20,750
in the tristate area...

411
00:18:20,834 --> 00:18:22,518
- A free ticket.
- A free ticket to the game.

412
00:18:22,542 --> 00:18:25,625
- The only time
that I even was concerned,

413
00:18:25,709 --> 00:18:28,083
they would sometimes make
what they call fart jokes.

414
00:18:28,166 --> 00:18:30,709
That's right. I had gas.

415
00:18:30,792 --> 00:18:34,625
- They don't need five minutes
of gas noises.

416
00:18:34,709 --> 00:18:36,834
<i>- And the TV aspect of it,</i>

417
00:18:36,917 --> 00:18:41,250
<i>by being on CBS Sports Network
and also on MSG Network,</i>

418
00:18:41,333 --> 00:18:42,750
that just gave it a bigger feel.

419
00:18:47,041 --> 00:18:49,041
- The thing I did very well

420
00:18:49,125 --> 00:18:51,291
was create compelling content

421
00:18:51,375 --> 00:18:54,291
where the listeners,
even if they didn't like me,

422
00:18:54,375 --> 00:18:56,834
didn't wanna miss
what I was gonna say next.

423
00:18:56,917 --> 00:18:59,083
- Oh, my God.

424
00:18:59,166 --> 00:19:01,792
- I wanna make love
to Mark Sanchez

425
00:19:01,875 --> 00:19:03,959
while Rex Ryan tickles my feet.

426
00:19:04,041 --> 00:19:06,291
<i>- He was the crazy,
zany radio guy</i>

427
00:19:06,375 --> 00:19:08,291
<i>that had ludicrous ideas,</i>

428
00:19:08,375 --> 00:19:10,291
and then you had
the common sense athlete

429
00:19:10,375 --> 00:19:12,583
that would be like,
"Look at this idiot."

430
00:19:12,667 --> 00:19:14,375
- So I'm just gonna put 'em in.
- Hey.

431
00:19:14,458 --> 00:19:15,667
- Okay, now I want you to take

432
00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:16,851
an MandM out of the cup
and eat it.

433
00:19:16,875 --> 00:19:18,309
- You know what,
Gary Bettman right now...

434
00:19:18,333 --> 00:19:19,726
- Loves me.
- Is just absolutely sweating.

435
00:19:19,750 --> 00:19:20,959
- Do you want me to eat it?

436
00:19:21,041 --> 00:19:22,166
<i>- He knew what he was doing.</i>

437
00:19:22,250 --> 00:19:23,625
He was the fire starter,

438
00:19:23,709 --> 00:19:25,583
and I knew that I had to be
the older brother,

439
00:19:25,667 --> 00:19:26,834
I had to be the mature one,

440
00:19:26,917 --> 00:19:28,166
I had to play off of him.

441
00:19:31,583 --> 00:19:33,226
- I mean, we can't all,
you know, tuck our shirts in

442
00:19:33,250 --> 00:19:35,041
and pull our jeans up
to our nipples, Boomer.

443
00:19:35,125 --> 00:19:38,333
I mean, some of us actually
like to be casual and relaxed.

444
00:19:38,417 --> 00:19:41,333
- Although Boomer
was the true quarterback,

445
00:19:41,417 --> 00:19:43,208
Craig was the radio quarterback.

446
00:19:43,291 --> 00:19:44,643
- I have a lot to say today.
I just started.

447
00:19:44,667 --> 00:19:46,226
I wanted to get to you quickly.
- Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

448
00:19:46,250 --> 00:19:47,850
Yeah, you had a lot to say
last week too.

449
00:19:47,917 --> 00:19:48,834
- Yeah, I did.

450
00:19:48,917 --> 00:19:50,059
- You have to be
thought-provoking

451
00:19:50,083 --> 00:19:52,959
and entertaining and nasty
and nice.

452
00:19:53,041 --> 00:19:54,375
You have to evoke emotion.

453
00:19:55,875 --> 00:19:58,208
Just so... I gotta tell you,
the Yankees are great.

454
00:19:58,291 --> 00:20:00,458
<i>- And you can't teach it.</i>

455
00:20:00,542 --> 00:20:01,792
Craig's got it.

456
00:20:01,875 --> 00:20:03,208
- Right, so zip your lip.

457
00:20:03,291 --> 00:20:05,750
I mean, you decided
to get a job in TV,

458
00:20:05,834 --> 00:20:07,017
and you ain't that attractive.

459
00:20:07,041 --> 00:20:08,351
- There's almost
something Trumpian

460
00:20:08,375 --> 00:20:12,417
about his nose
for what will work on TV,

461
00:20:12,500 --> 00:20:13,667
what will work for a crowd.

462
00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:14,750
Bang! - One more.

463
00:20:14,834 --> 00:20:16,041
Bam! Bam!

464
00:20:16,125 --> 00:20:17,559
- One more, one more, one more.
- Nice!

465
00:20:17,583 --> 00:20:19,917
<i>- He clearly had
this great knack</i>

466
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,709
<i>for radio performance.</i>

467
00:20:21,792 --> 00:20:22,875
- We will play the audio

468
00:20:22,959 --> 00:20:24,583
of the foot fetish video
for you...

469
00:20:24,667 --> 00:20:26,875
- Why?
- At 7:10 this morning.

470
00:20:26,959 --> 00:20:29,166
- Why?
- 'Cause it's what we do.

471
00:20:29,250 --> 00:20:32,041
What made "Boomer and Carton"
special was

472
00:20:32,125 --> 00:20:34,583
the thing that came
most natural to us,

473
00:20:34,667 --> 00:20:37,000
<i>and that was our
on-air relationship.</i>

474
00:20:37,083 --> 00:20:39,208
- Went out and framed
your article

475
00:20:39,291 --> 00:20:40,571
that was in
"The New York Times."

476
00:20:40,625 --> 00:20:42,250
- That's a nice frame
you did there.

477
00:20:42,333 --> 00:20:43,434
"What were you doing
when I was playing

478
00:20:43,458 --> 00:20:44,498
"in the Super Bowl, Craig?

479
00:20:44,542 --> 00:20:46,709
You were inside, probably
playing Intellivision."

480
00:20:46,792 --> 00:20:48,834
- As goofy as you are
on the radio

481
00:20:48,917 --> 00:20:51,667
is as good a dad as you are
at home.

482
00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:53,625
- Well, thanks.
- You are a tremendous father.

483
00:20:53,709 --> 00:20:55,625
<i>- It got better and better
from year to year.</i>

484
00:20:55,709 --> 00:20:58,458
The closer they became,
the better the show became.

485
00:20:59,542 --> 00:21:01,959
J! E! T! S!

486
00:21:02,041 --> 00:21:04,458
Jets! Jets! Jets!

487
00:21:04,542 --> 00:21:06,959
<i>- He made Boomer laugh
a lot more.</i>

488
00:21:07,041 --> 00:21:08,226
Boomer would sometimes sit there

489
00:21:08,250 --> 00:21:09,875
with his arms folded like this

490
00:21:09,959 --> 00:21:11,959
just listening
to what Craig had to say

491
00:21:12,041 --> 00:21:13,041
<i>and belly laughing.</i>

492
00:21:13,125 --> 00:21:14,709
- Your name is Punto!

493
00:21:17,542 --> 00:21:19,542
Boomer's wearing
the Pajamagram hoodie footies

494
00:21:19,625 --> 00:21:21,083
and really getting into it.

495
00:21:23,291 --> 00:21:24,917
Let me see what you got here.

496
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,250
Oh, yes. -

497
00:21:27,333 --> 00:21:29,458
- I've seen guys that are famous

498
00:21:29,542 --> 00:21:31,750
from something other than radio
come into radio

499
00:21:31,834 --> 00:21:34,375
and they don't really like you
busting their balls.

500
00:21:34,458 --> 00:21:35,959
- I have procured...

501
00:21:36,041 --> 00:21:38,917
<i>- Boomer was okay
being made fun of.</i>

502
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,351
- That's a handsome guy
right there.

503
00:21:40,375 --> 00:21:43,625
- The oil painting
of Boomer Esiason

504
00:21:43,709 --> 00:21:46,041
that he does keep in his home.

505
00:21:46,125 --> 00:21:47,291
How 'bout that?

506
00:21:47,375 --> 00:21:50,625
<i>My greatest gift to him
was humanizing him.</i>

507
00:21:50,709 --> 00:21:53,291
<i>I made Boomer Esiason
a real person</i>

508
00:21:53,375 --> 00:21:55,542
<i>with a family and a dog,</i>

509
00:21:55,625 --> 00:21:59,125
<i>put his pants on
the way we put our pants on.</i>

510
00:21:59,208 --> 00:22:02,291
<i>And the greatest gift
he gave me was,</i>

511
00:22:02,375 --> 00:22:06,166
<i>he bought into my vision</i>

512
00:22:06,250 --> 00:22:08,333
of what would make
the show successful.

513
00:22:08,417 --> 00:22:11,250
It's surreal that I'm the guy
on the morning drive show

514
00:22:11,333 --> 00:22:13,458
that Imus held for all
those years successfully,

515
00:22:13,542 --> 00:22:15,542
and we get to do that
every single day.

516
00:22:15,625 --> 00:22:17,667
They overpay me,
unless they're here,

517
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:19,083
and then
you underpay me greatly.

518
00:22:20,125 --> 00:22:22,333
<i>I wanted
to prove everybody wrong</i>

519
00:22:22,417 --> 00:22:24,083
that said I wasn't good enough

520
00:22:24,166 --> 00:22:27,667
to be major market successful.

521
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:32,208
<i>You know, the vindictiveness
of proving people wrong,</i>

522
00:22:32,291 --> 00:22:35,458
<i>to this day,
is very important to me.</i>

523
00:22:35,542 --> 00:22:39,166
<i>It's a driving force of my life.</i>

524
00:22:43,792 --> 00:22:45,208
<i>Day 68.</i>

525
00:22:49,250 --> 00:22:51,792
<i>One guy here says
he's a member of the mafia.</i>

526
00:22:51,875 --> 00:22:55,250
<i>He tries to talk tough
and use Italian phrases.</i>

527
00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:57,375
<i>One guy here really is mafia</i>

528
00:22:57,458 --> 00:23:00,375
<i>and made a call
to check him out.</i>

529
00:23:00,458 --> 00:23:02,917
<i>Turns out the guy
is full of shit.</i>

530
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,500
<i>So he's been given
the unforgettable nickname</i>

531
00:23:05,583 --> 00:23:09,041
<i>Phony Soprano.</i>

532
00:23:09,125 --> 00:23:12,792
<i>Not long ago, I arranged
a huge charity softball game</i>

533
00:23:12,875 --> 00:23:13,875
<i>at Yankee Stadium.</i>

534
00:23:13,917 --> 00:23:15,309
<i>- Carton might try to go
all the way.</i>

535
00:23:15,333 --> 00:23:16,417
<i>- Come on home!
- Let's see.</i>

536
00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:19,208
<i>- Now, I've been drafted
by the Yankees</i>

537
00:23:19,291 --> 00:23:21,458
<i>in the prison softball league.</i>

538
00:23:21,542 --> 00:23:24,375
<i>There's trash talk,
and guys get into beefs.</i>

539
00:23:24,458 --> 00:23:26,667
<i>It's all pride and ego.</i>

540
00:23:26,750 --> 00:23:28,041
<i>So I say nothing.</i>

541
00:23:31,375 --> 00:23:33,709
<i>I feel like life's passing me by</i>

542
00:23:33,792 --> 00:23:35,709
<i>while I sit here.</i>

543
00:23:35,792 --> 00:23:38,041
<i>I wanna scream and explode.</i>

544
00:23:38,125 --> 00:23:40,625
<i>Every day feels like a marathon.</i>

545
00:23:40,709 --> 00:23:44,375
<i>My days used to be my shows
and planning new ventures.</i>

546
00:23:44,458 --> 00:23:46,959
<i>Now it's walking 3 miles,</i>

547
00:23:47,041 --> 00:23:49,917
<i>reading,
and learning to crochet.</i>

548
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,417
<i>Real men crochet.</i>

549
00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:54,250
<i>Or that's what I keep
telling myself.</i>

550
00:24:00,542 --> 00:24:02,333
<i>- Now let me ask you
this question:</i>

551
00:24:02,417 --> 00:24:03,500
<i>how are we doing the picks?</i>

552
00:24:03,583 --> 00:24:05,309
<i>Straight up, right?
These are straight picks?</i>

553
00:24:05,333 --> 00:24:06,375
<i>- Against the spread.</i>

554
00:24:06,458 --> 00:24:07,476
<i>- They are against the spread?</i>

555
00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:08,685
<i>- It's gotta be
against the spread.</i>

556
00:24:08,709 --> 00:24:09,625
- No, I don't think it does.

557
00:24:09,709 --> 00:24:11,917
- How do you make picks
not with a spread?

558
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,417
I mean, what am I, 5 years old?

559
00:24:13,500 --> 00:24:14,643
- Just like we do it
on the NFL today.

560
00:24:14,667 --> 00:24:16,875
- I think
the Cowboys are gonna win.

561
00:24:16,959 --> 00:24:17,875
- Oh, you're an idiot.

562
00:24:17,959 --> 00:24:19,583
You really are.
- I mean, come on, dude.

563
00:24:19,667 --> 00:24:21,792
- Gambling was a big part
of the show.

564
00:24:21,875 --> 00:24:25,125
- The Green Bay Packers will
beat the Chicago Bears,

565
00:24:25,208 --> 00:24:27,625
and I also love the under.

566
00:24:27,709 --> 00:24:29,166
- Talking about the games

567
00:24:29,250 --> 00:24:31,500
and, you know, who to bet
here or there.

568
00:24:31,583 --> 00:24:32,851
- You can have your 2 grand back

569
00:24:32,875 --> 00:24:35,000
and I'll double it
and give you 2,000 more.

570
00:24:35,083 --> 00:24:38,792
Gambling has always been,
you know, a part of my life.

571
00:24:41,917 --> 00:24:44,125
<i>- I always had an affinity
for gambling.</i>

572
00:24:44,208 --> 00:24:45,500
<i>I enjoyed it. I liked it.</i>

573
00:24:45,583 --> 00:24:48,750
<i>The action,
the energy in the room.</i>

574
00:24:48,834 --> 00:24:50,959
<i>I was a good card player
as a kid,</i>

575
00:24:51,041 --> 00:24:52,125
<i>but later on in life,</i>

576
00:24:52,208 --> 00:24:56,125
<i>the majority of my gambling
was sports-related.</i>

577
00:24:56,208 --> 00:24:59,125
<i>My biggest wager was probably
a thousand bucks,</i>

578
00:24:59,208 --> 00:25:01,625
and it was many years later

579
00:25:01,709 --> 00:25:04,834
that I really started
playing blackjack.

580
00:25:04,917 --> 00:25:07,625
<i>- Craig's infatuation
with gambling was never</i>

581
00:25:07,709 --> 00:25:09,458
<i>a secret to me.</i>

582
00:25:09,542 --> 00:25:11,709
<i>Even when we were at 101.5
with the Jersey Guys,</i>

583
00:25:11,792 --> 00:25:13,542
<i>we would be in Atlantic City.</i>

584
00:25:13,625 --> 00:25:17,125
The tables were $10 a hand
up to $200 a hand,

585
00:25:17,208 --> 00:25:19,166
and even at that time,
he was a social butterfly,

586
00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:21,000
spinning around,
going from table to table,

587
00:25:21,083 --> 00:25:24,125
having a good time, gambling.

588
00:25:24,208 --> 00:25:27,000
<i>- About 2013, '14,</i>

589
00:25:27,083 --> 00:25:29,208
I'm now playing more blackjack.

590
00:25:29,291 --> 00:25:31,125
<i>I thought that if I treated it</i>

591
00:25:31,208 --> 00:25:34,291
<i>with the discipline
of a stockbroker</i>

592
00:25:34,375 --> 00:25:36,333
<i>and thought of it as a job</i>

593
00:25:36,417 --> 00:25:38,542
<i>that I could actually be
very lucrative doing it.</i>

594
00:25:43,250 --> 00:25:44,500
<i>- He could play one, two,</i>

595
00:25:44,583 --> 00:25:46,917
<i>sometimes three hands
at one time</i>

596
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,375
<i>and never skipped a beat.</i>

597
00:25:48,458 --> 00:25:50,750
I've played blackjack.
I love playing blackjack.

598
00:25:50,834 --> 00:25:53,041
I have trouble with my one hand.

599
00:25:53,125 --> 00:25:55,208
<i>- I had been around him
a couple times</i>

600
00:25:55,291 --> 00:25:58,834
<i>where he won a lot of money.</i>

601
00:25:58,917 --> 00:26:00,101
<i>I would start to think
to myself,</i>

602
00:26:00,125 --> 00:26:03,041
"He has this figured out.
Why can't I figure this out?

603
00:26:03,125 --> 00:26:07,333
This seems like
great additional income."

604
00:26:07,417 --> 00:26:10,417
<i>- When it came to gambling,
I thought I was the best at it</i>

605
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:14,583
<i>and I didn't think
any casino could beat me.</i>

606
00:26:14,667 --> 00:26:17,583
The cockiness
that I'm really good at it,

607
00:26:17,667 --> 00:26:19,083
I'm gonna win,

608
00:26:19,166 --> 00:26:21,083
<i>that plays into your ego.</i>

609
00:26:21,166 --> 00:26:22,959
<i>So there's an arrogance to it...</i>

610
00:26:23,041 --> 00:26:23,917
<i>There was for me, at least...</i>

611
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,000
<i>Where, you know,
I always compared it</i>

612
00:26:26,083 --> 00:26:28,583
<i>to Tiger Woods on a golf course,</i>

613
00:26:28,667 --> 00:26:30,959
<i>Michael Jordan
on a basketball court.</i>

614
00:26:31,041 --> 00:26:33,583
<i>When they stepped on the court
and the golf course,</i>

615
00:26:33,667 --> 00:26:35,208
<i>nothing else mattered.</i>

616
00:26:35,291 --> 00:26:38,709
So when I sat down at a table
to play blackjack,

617
00:26:38,792 --> 00:26:40,709
nothing else mattered.

618
00:26:40,792 --> 00:26:42,125
<i>- I'm not really a gambler,</i>

619
00:26:42,208 --> 00:26:44,458
<i>but Craig and I sat down
at a blackjack table,</i>

620
00:26:44,542 --> 00:26:46,750
<i>and after about 20 hands,</i>

621
00:26:46,834 --> 00:26:49,458
I had won $3,500.

622
00:26:49,542 --> 00:26:52,000
And I said, "I'm done.
I'm leaving.

623
00:26:52,083 --> 00:26:53,625
I got my 3,500. I'm good."

624
00:26:53,709 --> 00:26:55,184
You know, everybody said,
"No, you gotta stay.

625
00:26:55,208 --> 00:26:57,583
You gotta stay."
I'm like, "No, I'm leaving."

626
00:26:57,667 --> 00:26:59,476
And really, when you think
about the difference

627
00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:02,417
between me and Craig
when it comes to gambling,

628
00:27:02,500 --> 00:27:03,750
there it is right there.

629
00:27:03,834 --> 00:27:06,083
I left, he stayed,

630
00:27:06,166 --> 00:27:08,500
<i>and then later on came the bet
for the Borgata</i>

631
00:27:08,583 --> 00:27:10,458
<i>because I guess he felt like,</i>

632
00:27:10,542 --> 00:27:12,834
<i>you know, he had to prove
something to me.</i>

633
00:27:12,917 --> 00:27:14,458
<i>- We were doing a show</i>

634
00:27:14,542 --> 00:27:16,792
<i>at the Borgata in Atlantic City.</i>

635
00:27:16,875 --> 00:27:18,017
We would go down there
once a year,

636
00:27:18,041 --> 00:27:20,000
do a broadcast from down there.

637
00:27:20,083 --> 00:27:22,500
<i>- In a strange way,
it kinda happened overnight.</i>

638
00:27:22,583 --> 00:27:24,792
An infamous event
called the Boomer Bet.

639
00:27:24,875 --> 00:27:27,458
- If you show me
how to win some money.

640
00:27:27,542 --> 00:27:29,291
- Here's what I would do
for you at Borgata.

641
00:27:29,375 --> 00:27:31,625
You just have to take
the leap of faith.

642
00:27:31,709 --> 00:27:35,208
<i>- He was on such a roll
and so cocky and confident</i>

643
00:27:35,291 --> 00:27:37,125
<i>with his blackjack winning,</i>

644
00:27:37,208 --> 00:27:39,792
<i>Craig brought up on the air</i>

645
00:27:39,875 --> 00:27:42,625
that he would double
Boomer's money.

646
00:27:42,709 --> 00:27:45,125
- Talking about
what a great gambler he was

647
00:27:45,208 --> 00:27:47,667
and that he could take $10,000
of my money

648
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:50,166
and double it
and all this other...

649
00:27:50,250 --> 00:27:52,125
I said, "Oh, really?
You could double my money?

650
00:27:52,208 --> 00:27:53,125
You could double my money?"

651
00:27:53,208 --> 00:27:54,688
And I just kept, you know,
pushing him

652
00:27:54,750 --> 00:27:55,893
and pushing him and pushing him,

653
00:27:55,917 --> 00:27:57,393
and he kept saying, "Yeah,
I could double your money.

654
00:27:57,417 --> 00:27:58,333
I could double your money."

655
00:27:58,417 --> 00:28:00,291
How 'bout if I give you
10 grand?

656
00:28:00,375 --> 00:28:02,000
- If you gave me 10 grand?
- Yeah.

657
00:28:02,083 --> 00:28:04,667
- I'd guarantee you 25,000.

658
00:28:04,750 --> 00:28:06,250
- Guarantee me... I'm in.

659
00:28:06,333 --> 00:28:09,834
- To guarantee a win
is just stupid,

660
00:28:09,917 --> 00:28:12,667
but I said it on the air
and he called me on it.

661
00:28:16,041 --> 00:28:20,000
<i>Boomer came into the studio
with $10,000 in cash</i>

662
00:28:20,083 --> 00:28:23,834
<i>and counted out
every single $100 bill.</i>

663
00:28:23,917 --> 00:28:25,208
<i>- I gave him 10 grand.</i>

664
00:28:25,291 --> 00:28:26,834
<i>It was crazy radio.</i>

665
00:28:26,917 --> 00:28:28,750
You had gambling and the Borgata

666
00:28:28,834 --> 00:28:30,500
and money and cash.

667
00:28:30,583 --> 00:28:32,333
- We talk it up and talk it up

668
00:28:32,417 --> 00:28:35,208
for the weeks leading up
to this Borgata remote.

669
00:28:35,291 --> 00:28:36,750
- I remember
listeners calling up

670
00:28:36,834 --> 00:28:38,834
and saying, you know,
"You're full of baloney.

671
00:28:38,917 --> 00:28:41,542
You're not doing that.
That's not real money."

672
00:28:41,625 --> 00:28:42,685
<i>- Alan and I were, like, trying</i>

673
00:28:42,709 --> 00:28:44,000
<i>to do the math in our heads,</i>

674
00:28:44,083 --> 00:28:46,750
saying, like,
"How is this gonna work?"

675
00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:52,250
<i>- That night,
I won about $80,000</i>

676
00:28:52,333 --> 00:28:53,333
playing blackjack.

677
00:28:53,417 --> 00:28:55,041
<i>"Boomer and Carton"
live at the Borgata.</i>

678
00:28:55,125 --> 00:28:57,000
<i>We're inside the B Bar.</i>

679
00:28:57,083 --> 00:28:58,542
At 11:00 this morning,

680
00:28:58,625 --> 00:29:00,917
it's the first ever
"Boomer and Carton" deep stack

681
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,542
Texas Hold'em tournament.

682
00:29:02,625 --> 00:29:05,041
<i>Normally, when we did our show
at the Borgata,</i>

683
00:29:05,125 --> 00:29:06,208
<i>a hundred people came</i>

684
00:29:06,291 --> 00:29:08,834
<i>to watch us do the show
Friday morning.</i>

685
00:29:08,917 --> 00:29:10,166
<i>That Friday morning,</i>

686
00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:12,583
<i>there might have been
a thousand people there.</i>

687
00:29:12,667 --> 00:29:14,834
<i>- Craig has a sack of cash.</i>

688
00:29:14,917 --> 00:29:18,041
He takes it, puts it down
on the desk,

689
00:29:18,125 --> 00:29:20,750
and presented to Boomer,

690
00:29:20,834 --> 00:29:23,291
<i>and there was much rejoicing.</i>

691
00:29:23,375 --> 00:29:26,000
- So I gave him the 25 grand.
The place goes crazy.

692
00:29:26,083 --> 00:29:28,917
- And that bet
was the coolest thing

693
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,291
and, as it's turned out,

694
00:29:30,375 --> 00:29:33,291
probably the worst thing
that's ever happened.

695
00:29:33,375 --> 00:29:35,083
<i>- The real problem
with the Boomer Bet</i>

696
00:29:35,166 --> 00:29:36,583
<i>is that I won.</i>

697
00:29:36,667 --> 00:29:38,792
<i>As a result of that win,</i>

698
00:29:38,875 --> 00:29:42,417
I'm now, you know,
the blackjack whisperer.

699
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:44,041
<i>- I would get calls
from callers,</i>

700
00:29:44,125 --> 00:29:45,917
<i>"Hey, let me give Craig
10 grand."</i>

701
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:46,917
<i>You know, I'd hang up on 'em.</i>

702
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,309
<i>I never would
put anybody through,</i>

703
00:29:48,333 --> 00:29:50,417
<i>'cause that seemed silly to me.</i>

704
00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:53,917
Well, he's not gonna take
some random dude's $10,000

705
00:29:54,041 --> 00:29:55,125
and promise to double it.

706
00:29:55,208 --> 00:29:56,583
That didn't make sense.

707
00:29:56,667 --> 00:29:57,959
<i>- So I started to get approached</i>

708
00:29:58,041 --> 00:29:59,959
<i>by a number of these types
of people</i>

709
00:30:00,041 --> 00:30:02,959
<i>who heard the bet,
knew that I had paid it off,</i>

710
00:30:03,041 --> 00:30:04,041
<i>and then wanted to know</i>

711
00:30:04,083 --> 00:30:06,000
<i>if I wanted to be in business
with them.</i>

712
00:30:06,083 --> 00:30:09,458
"Hey, Craig, I'll give you
100,000 bucks.

713
00:30:09,542 --> 00:30:12,792
Give me 110,000 back
next month."

714
00:30:12,875 --> 00:30:14,458
- That's where
the craziness began,

715
00:30:14,542 --> 00:30:17,291
and I guess it just got worse
and worse and worse for him.

716
00:30:27,041 --> 00:30:29,291
<i>- Once people started
giving me money to gamble</i>

717
00:30:29,375 --> 00:30:32,458
<i>on a regular basis,
and significant sums of money,</i>

718
00:30:32,542 --> 00:30:36,542
<i>then I was all in.</i>

719
00:30:36,625 --> 00:30:38,375
<i>There were
four different individuals,</i>

720
00:30:38,458 --> 00:30:40,750
<i>two of whom I've never met
to this day,</i>

721
00:30:40,834 --> 00:30:44,291
<i>who extended me loans
upwards of a million dollars.</i>

722
00:30:44,375 --> 00:30:46,917
<i>There were times
when I met a buddy</i>

723
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,166
<i>on a street corner
in New York City</i>

724
00:30:49,250 --> 00:30:51,375
<i>and he would hand me a knapsack,</i>

725
00:30:51,458 --> 00:30:54,750
<i>and inside that knapsack
was a million dollars cash.</i>

726
00:30:56,375 --> 00:30:58,166
Blackjack became a drug for me.

727
00:31:01,041 --> 00:31:04,542
<i>- A blackjack player is like
somebody doing cocaine.</i>

728
00:31:04,625 --> 00:31:08,959
You have to keep taking cocaine
to maintain that rush,

729
00:31:09,041 --> 00:31:11,041
and blackjack
is extremely similar.

730
00:31:17,125 --> 00:31:19,000
<i>- Everyone knew that I gambled.</i>

731
00:31:19,083 --> 00:31:20,417
They all knew I liked to gamble.

732
00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:23,208
Nobody knew
the amounts I was gambling.

733
00:31:23,291 --> 00:31:26,583
<i>There was one time
I won $325,000</i>

734
00:31:26,667 --> 00:31:28,542
<i>in, like, nine minutes.</i>

735
00:31:28,625 --> 00:31:31,959
<i>Two hands, $15,000 per hand,</i>

736
00:31:32,041 --> 00:31:35,083
<i>so 30,000 bucks every deal.</i>

737
00:31:35,166 --> 00:31:36,834
I won 325 grand

738
00:31:36,917 --> 00:31:40,166
and walked out the door
to go to work.

739
00:31:47,959 --> 00:31:49,417
<i>When I decided
I wanted to gamble,</i>

740
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:52,041
<i>I would reach out
to one of the investors.</i>

741
00:31:52,125 --> 00:31:54,250
I would then wire that money
to the casino.

742
00:31:54,333 --> 00:31:57,041
It's called front money.

743
00:31:57,125 --> 00:31:59,917
<i>Most of the time,
I was there after I worked,</i>

744
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,083
<i>and I would go there
right after a show.</i>

745
00:32:03,166 --> 00:32:04,184
<i>- If you really think about it,</i>

746
00:32:04,208 --> 00:32:06,458
what normal person,
at 12:00 noon,

747
00:32:06,542 --> 00:32:08,750
decides to drive 2 1/2 hours

748
00:32:08,834 --> 00:32:10,375
to go play blackjack for an hour

749
00:32:10,458 --> 00:32:11,583
to drive back 2 1/2 hours?

750
00:32:11,667 --> 00:32:12,750
I mean, think about that.

751
00:32:12,834 --> 00:32:17,250
Five hours of driving
to play blackjack for an hour?

752
00:32:17,333 --> 00:32:19,208
Who the... why?

753
00:32:19,291 --> 00:32:21,583
<i>- When I was gambling
late at night, nobody knew.</i>

754
00:32:21,667 --> 00:32:23,417
<i>I didn't tell anybody.</i>

755
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:25,375
I would leave my apartment
at midnight,

756
00:32:25,458 --> 00:32:27,959
everyone was sleeping,
and I was gone.

757
00:32:29,667 --> 00:32:32,458
<i>I got on a helicopter
in New York City</i>

758
00:32:32,542 --> 00:32:34,917
<i>and flew to Atlantic City.</i>

759
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,250
<i>I had a $600,000 wire</i>

760
00:32:37,333 --> 00:32:39,917
<i>that was sent on my behalf,</i>

761
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,166
<i>and I wagered
from about 1:00 in the morning</i>

762
00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:44,792
<i>to 3:30.</i>

763
00:32:44,875 --> 00:32:46,166
<i>3:30 was always the cutoff time</i>

764
00:32:46,250 --> 00:32:48,333
<i>for me to be able to get back
on a helicopter</i>

765
00:32:48,417 --> 00:32:49,667
<i>and fly back to the city</i>

766
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:52,500
<i>to make it
to the Tribeca Radio Studios,</i>

767
00:32:52,583 --> 00:32:53,667
<i>where WFAN was.</i>

768
00:33:00,250 --> 00:33:02,542
<i>Good morning, everybody!</i>

769
00:33:02,625 --> 00:33:05,792
6:03, Boomer Esiason,
Craig Carton,

770
00:33:05,875 --> 00:33:08,417
on The FAN.

771
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:11,000
<i>I didn't realize that
I was an addict at the time.</i>

772
00:33:11,083 --> 00:33:13,125
<i>I really loved playing,</i>

773
00:33:13,208 --> 00:33:14,750
<i>and I convinced myself</i>

774
00:33:14,834 --> 00:33:16,685
<i>you know, as long as I'm doing
a good radio show</i>

775
00:33:16,709 --> 00:33:19,625
<i>and we're number one
and they don't know about it,</i>

776
00:33:19,709 --> 00:33:21,250
<i>well, I'll just continue
to do it.</i>

777
00:33:21,333 --> 00:33:23,208
I will give the Jets credit
for this.

778
00:33:23,291 --> 00:33:24,583
We'll start Jets, I guess, okay?

779
00:33:24,667 --> 00:33:26,709
- All right.
- Jets are down three...

780
00:33:26,792 --> 00:33:28,500
<i>Gambling aside,
I always got involved</i>

781
00:33:28,583 --> 00:33:30,291
<i>in other types of businesses.</i>

782
00:33:30,375 --> 00:33:32,709
- Craig was one of those guys
that always had an idea.

783
00:33:32,792 --> 00:33:35,000
He always had, you know,
the next big thing.

784
00:33:35,083 --> 00:33:38,542
- I have a cologne deal.

785
00:33:38,625 --> 00:33:40,351
- You have a cologne deal.
- I have a cologne deal.

786
00:33:40,375 --> 00:33:42,875
- That's what I wanna do.
I wanna smell like Craigy.

787
00:33:42,959 --> 00:33:44,500
What's the name of it
gonna be called?

788
00:33:44,583 --> 00:33:45,500
Fart?

789
00:33:45,583 --> 00:33:47,166
<i>- He felt he was a businessman.</i>

790
00:33:47,250 --> 00:33:48,810
Like, he thought he
was a real businessman,

791
00:33:48,834 --> 00:33:50,000
not just a radio personality.

792
00:33:50,083 --> 00:33:53,291
- There were a million
of these little side projects.

793
00:33:53,375 --> 00:33:56,125
<i>- I did come up with another
genius idea this weekend.</i>

794
00:33:56,208 --> 00:33:57,834
<i>Junk Balm.</i>

795
00:33:57,917 --> 00:33:59,000
- Which is, like, deodorant

796
00:33:59,083 --> 00:34:02,667
for your nether regions,
I guess.

797
00:34:02,750 --> 00:34:06,583
<i>- Al and I always thought,
"Just do the show.</i>

798
00:34:06,667 --> 00:34:08,917
Why do you have to do
all this other stuff?"

799
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,667
- You know, he was sort of
a serial entrepreneur.

800
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:14,709
He had this sort of
restless spirit.

801
00:34:14,792 --> 00:34:17,834
He obviously wanted to do more
than just talk on the radio.

802
00:34:17,917 --> 00:34:20,208
- I think Craig wanted
to see himself

803
00:34:20,291 --> 00:34:23,709
as a, you know, $20 million
a year entertainer,

804
00:34:23,792 --> 00:34:24,709
<i>where he wanted to live</i>

805
00:34:24,792 --> 00:34:26,059
<i>in the penthouse
in New York City,</i>

806
00:34:26,083 --> 00:34:28,375
<i>where he wanted his kids
to go to private school</i>

807
00:34:28,458 --> 00:34:30,101
<i>and he wanted to make sure
that he could drive</i>

808
00:34:30,125 --> 00:34:32,375
<i>around New York City
with a driver.</i>

809
00:34:32,458 --> 00:34:34,875
<i>At the end of the day,
he was always striving,</i>

810
00:34:34,959 --> 00:34:38,208
you know, for the next thing,
the next big thing.

811
00:34:38,291 --> 00:34:40,834
<i>- If I was just content
being successful</i>

812
00:34:40,917 --> 00:34:43,875
and number one on the radio,

813
00:34:43,959 --> 00:34:45,709
well, we wouldn't
be sitting here today.

814
00:34:48,667 --> 00:34:50,709
<i>In May of 2016,</i>

815
00:34:50,792 --> 00:34:53,417
<i>I started a company
called Tier One Tickets</i>

816
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:55,959
to resell tickets
to concert events

817
00:34:56,041 --> 00:34:58,000
on the secondary market.

818
00:34:58,083 --> 00:35:01,417
<i>- Talent on the radio
doesn't equal talent</i>

819
00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:02,750
<i>in business,</i>

820
00:35:02,834 --> 00:35:06,750
and I think he had a hard time
understanding that.

821
00:35:06,834 --> 00:35:08,309
- I will always remember
saying to him,

822
00:35:08,333 --> 00:35:10,375
"Just keep it real, man.
Always keep it real.

823
00:35:10,458 --> 00:35:12,625
"Don't get involved
with the wrong people.

824
00:35:12,709 --> 00:35:14,250
You gotta keep it real."

825
00:35:14,333 --> 00:35:16,142
<i>- He surrounded himself
with some real beauties.</i>

826
00:35:16,166 --> 00:35:19,917
<i>Joe Meli, if he was a conman,
he was a brilliant conman.</i>

827
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:20,917
Craig said, you know,

828
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,476
"He's the smartest person
I've ever met."

829
00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:23,940
He was, you know,
the smartest person

830
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,917
in every room we were ever in.

831
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,333
<i>I think he was seduced
and besotted by Meli.</i>

832
00:35:30,417 --> 00:35:33,417
- Everybody in
that ticket reselling business

833
00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:34,750
seemed scummy to me.

834
00:35:38,875 --> 00:35:41,166
<i>- As we started to acquire
more tickets</i>

835
00:35:41,250 --> 00:35:42,875
<i>and sell more tickets,</i>

836
00:35:42,959 --> 00:35:44,792
I reached out to a hedge fund

837
00:35:44,875 --> 00:35:47,291
to loan me money personally

838
00:35:47,375 --> 00:35:49,625
<i>so that I could buy
even more tickets.</i>

839
00:35:49,709 --> 00:35:51,959
<i>The hedge fund gave me
$2 million</i>

840
00:35:52,041 --> 00:35:55,417
<i>specifically to invest
in the purchase of tickets.</i>

841
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:58,000
I took $950,000 of it

842
00:35:58,083 --> 00:36:00,625
and used it
for gambling purposes.

843
00:36:00,709 --> 00:36:02,333
That was the single
biggest mistake

844
00:36:02,417 --> 00:36:03,917
I've made in my entire life.

845
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,125
It's at 2 1/2 right now.

846
00:36:06,208 --> 00:36:07,643
The "Boomer and Carton" program
does not condone

847
00:36:07,667 --> 00:36:08,792
illegal gambling.

848
00:36:08,875 --> 00:36:11,166
Bet it today
before it gets to 3.

849
00:36:11,250 --> 00:36:12,601
You don't wanna start
buying points.

850
00:36:12,625 --> 00:36:14,059
<i>- All of us would hear him
talk about it</i>

851
00:36:14,083 --> 00:36:15,625
<i>both on the air and off the air</i>

852
00:36:15,709 --> 00:36:18,959
about what a central part
of his life gambling,

853
00:36:19,041 --> 00:36:22,500
blackjack in particular,
was becoming.

854
00:36:22,583 --> 00:36:25,000
<i>- I think he was in Bimini,</i>

855
00:36:25,083 --> 00:36:27,125
<i>and he told me he had won
$2 million.</i>

856
00:36:28,709 --> 00:36:31,166
<i>I said, "You're paying taxes
on that, right?"</i>

857
00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:32,393
And he goes,
"Yeah, I gotta pay taxes."

858
00:36:32,417 --> 00:36:33,333
I said, "Fine.

859
00:36:33,417 --> 00:36:35,375
"Put half of that money away
for your kids

860
00:36:35,458 --> 00:36:37,083
"and their education.

861
00:36:37,166 --> 00:36:39,166
<i>Don't do anything stupid
with it."</i>

862
00:36:39,250 --> 00:36:41,667
<i>I'll never forget
that conversation.</i>

863
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:44,458
And then after that,

864
00:36:44,542 --> 00:36:46,291
that's the last I heard of it.

865
00:36:46,375 --> 00:36:48,625
You know, and I had no idea
how much he was gambling.

866
00:36:48,709 --> 00:36:50,349
I had no idea
where he got the money from.

867
00:36:50,417 --> 00:36:53,041
I had no idea that anybody
was contacting him.

868
00:36:53,125 --> 00:36:54,875
- I knew Craig liked to gamble

869
00:36:54,959 --> 00:36:56,267
'cause he talked about it
on the air.

870
00:36:56,291 --> 00:36:57,875
He wrote about it in his book.

871
00:36:57,959 --> 00:36:59,542
But that doesn't mean you know

872
00:36:59,625 --> 00:37:01,709
that somebody's gambling
millions of dollars.

873
00:37:01,792 --> 00:37:04,041
- I don't think there was one
person at that station

874
00:37:04,125 --> 00:37:06,875
that had any idea
how bad it was.

875
00:37:06,959 --> 00:37:10,542
- You know, how stupid were we
to not really see

876
00:37:10,625 --> 00:37:14,625
that this guy
was sort of falling apart?

877
00:37:14,709 --> 00:37:15,583
<i>- I got to a level</i>

878
00:37:15,667 --> 00:37:19,041
<i>where I'm now wagering $125,000</i>

879
00:37:19,125 --> 00:37:21,208
<i>on the table to start.</i>

880
00:37:21,291 --> 00:37:24,709
I was winning and losing
obscene amounts of money,

881
00:37:24,792 --> 00:37:27,041
and it didn't bother me.

882
00:37:27,125 --> 00:37:28,542
I just wanted to play more.

883
00:37:32,792 --> 00:37:36,875
The worst trip was,
an investor gave $1/2 million.

884
00:37:36,959 --> 00:37:39,083
<i>He expected a 10% return.</i>

885
00:37:39,166 --> 00:37:41,583
<i>Everything beyond that, I keep.</i>

886
00:37:41,667 --> 00:37:42,875
<i>I was there to gamble,</i>

887
00:37:42,959 --> 00:37:46,250
so I did it as much as I could.

888
00:37:46,333 --> 00:37:49,250
<i>I fell asleep at the table
in the middle of a hand,</i>

889
00:37:49,333 --> 00:37:51,375
and I remember waking up.

890
00:37:51,458 --> 00:37:54,291
I popped up and I said, "Hit,"

891
00:37:54,375 --> 00:37:56,375
and I won a $20,000 hand.

892
00:37:58,834 --> 00:38:02,583
<i>In the first 12 hours,
I had his 550</i>

893
00:38:02,667 --> 00:38:05,917
<i>plus 1.5 million.</i>

894
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,417
- There are so many incidences

895
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:10,625
where even a casino employee
says, "You're winning.

896
00:38:10,709 --> 00:38:12,041
Go home."

897
00:38:12,125 --> 00:38:13,792
- And you walk out the door

898
00:38:13,875 --> 00:38:16,458
with 1 1/2 million in profit

899
00:38:16,542 --> 00:38:18,417
that I'm keeping.

900
00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:19,625
I walked out with nothing.

901
00:38:25,458 --> 00:38:27,959
<i>I lost the 1 1/2 million
I had won</i>

902
00:38:28,041 --> 00:38:31,291
and I lost the 500,000
he had given me.

903
00:38:31,375 --> 00:38:33,709
So I essentially lost $2 million

904
00:38:33,792 --> 00:38:36,166
in a 24 hour period.

905
00:38:36,250 --> 00:38:38,125
<i>So I took a personal loan</i>

906
00:38:38,208 --> 00:38:40,625
<i>to pay back
the blackjack investor,</i>

907
00:38:40,709 --> 00:38:43,333
<i>and that's when I really
started getting in trouble.</i>

908
00:38:43,417 --> 00:38:45,333
<i>'Cause now you're borrowing
from other people</i>

909
00:38:45,417 --> 00:38:47,000
<i>to cover debts,</i>

910
00:38:47,083 --> 00:38:50,834
and when you start going down
that slope,

911
00:38:50,917 --> 00:38:53,250
that only ends one way,

912
00:38:53,333 --> 00:38:54,625
and it's not good.

913
00:38:59,917 --> 00:39:03,000
- We have this idea
that gambling is about thrill

914
00:39:03,083 --> 00:39:05,792
and risk and uncertainty,

915
00:39:05,875 --> 00:39:07,041
'cause certainly you are

916
00:39:07,125 --> 00:39:09,542
technically risking money,
right?

917
00:39:09,625 --> 00:39:12,667
But when you're actually
in the zone of gambling,

918
00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:14,041
it doesn't feel that way.

919
00:39:19,917 --> 00:39:21,500
<i>- There was no emotion
to winning.</i>

920
00:39:21,583 --> 00:39:23,125
<i>There's no emotion to losing.</i>

921
00:39:23,208 --> 00:39:25,959
Blackjack became an escape.

922
00:39:26,041 --> 00:39:28,500
<i>- They say,
"Everything in my life felt</i>

923
00:39:28,583 --> 00:39:30,000
<i>"so uncertain.</i>

924
00:39:30,083 --> 00:39:32,333
"The one place that I
was certain about anything

925
00:39:32,417 --> 00:39:36,041
"or that I could calm down
or get away from my anxieties

926
00:39:36,125 --> 00:39:39,458
<i>was when I was gambling."</i>

927
00:39:39,542 --> 00:39:41,583
<i>- Gambling allowed me to escape,</i>

928
00:39:41,667 --> 00:39:44,041
<i>you know, the "demons."</i>

929
00:39:44,125 --> 00:39:46,583
<i>I felt like I was kinda
in this protective bubble</i>

930
00:39:46,667 --> 00:39:48,875
<i>when I played.</i>

931
00:39:48,959 --> 00:39:51,166
<i>- Solitude is very important.</i>

932
00:39:51,250 --> 00:39:52,500
<i>Gamblers used to tell me,</i>

933
00:39:52,583 --> 00:39:54,583
<i>"I liked to go into the corners</i>

934
00:39:54,667 --> 00:39:56,250
<i>"where I could hide.</i>

935
00:39:56,333 --> 00:39:58,333
<i>I felt safe."</i>

936
00:39:58,417 --> 00:40:00,709
He was gambling
at a high enough level

937
00:40:00,792 --> 00:40:03,000
where the casino would cater
to his wish

938
00:40:03,083 --> 00:40:04,750
to really be alone.

939
00:40:04,834 --> 00:40:06,542
<i>- I was not looking
for attention.</i>

940
00:40:06,625 --> 00:40:08,166
<i>I was looking to hide.</i>

941
00:40:08,250 --> 00:40:12,333
<i>And every casino in the world
would allow me to gamble alone</i>

942
00:40:12,417 --> 00:40:13,750
<i>in great privacy.</i>

943
00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:20,542
- The thing
is that they care more

944
00:40:20,625 --> 00:40:23,750
about staying
in the flow of action,

945
00:40:23,834 --> 00:40:25,542
staying in that continuous zone,

946
00:40:25,625 --> 00:40:27,083
than they do about winning.

947
00:40:29,667 --> 00:40:31,875
<i>- It was the only thing
I found in my life</i>

948
00:40:31,959 --> 00:40:35,291
that matched the speed
of my brain,

949
00:40:35,375 --> 00:40:38,083
the speed of the cards
coming out.

950
00:40:38,166 --> 00:40:41,458
<i>I used to have
multiple tables reserved,</i>

951
00:40:41,542 --> 00:40:43,709
<i>and I used to make sure
that they shuffled</i>

952
00:40:43,792 --> 00:40:45,625
<i>before I sat down.</i>

953
00:40:45,709 --> 00:40:48,125
<i>I couldn't wait the five minutes</i>

954
00:40:48,208 --> 00:40:49,417
<i>for the dealer to shuffle.</i>

955
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:50,417
I hated it.

956
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:51,959
It felt like an eternity to me.

957
00:40:59,458 --> 00:41:00,658
<i>- When somebody has a sickness</i>

958
00:41:00,709 --> 00:41:03,000
and somebody is wrapped up
in something

959
00:41:03,083 --> 00:41:04,792
that you're
not really that aware of

960
00:41:04,875 --> 00:41:06,333
and you can't
get out in front of it

961
00:41:06,417 --> 00:41:08,834
and help that person stop,

962
00:41:08,917 --> 00:41:11,250
there's a level of guilt
that you have as well.

963
00:41:11,333 --> 00:41:14,291
- I was as much of an enabler

964
00:41:14,375 --> 00:41:16,417
as anybody was.

965
00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:20,458
<i>There was a moment
when his wife had asked me</i>

966
00:41:20,542 --> 00:41:22,625
<i>to stop going with him,</i>

967
00:41:22,709 --> 00:41:24,017
and I just remember
looking in her eyes

968
00:41:24,041 --> 00:41:26,250
and realizing, "All right,
you know what?

969
00:41:26,333 --> 00:41:28,291
I got it. I understand."

970
00:41:28,375 --> 00:41:30,625
<i>- I know Boomer
was concerned about it.</i>

971
00:41:30,709 --> 00:41:31,989
Al Dukes was concerned about it.

972
00:41:32,041 --> 00:41:33,518
I know there were others
who were concerned

973
00:41:33,542 --> 00:41:34,959
about it as well.

974
00:41:35,041 --> 00:41:37,625
<i>I talked to him
a couple of times about it.</i>

975
00:41:37,709 --> 00:41:39,458
<i>"Hey, do we have
a problem here?"</i>

976
00:41:39,542 --> 00:41:40,458
<i>You know, "Do you think</i>

977
00:41:40,542 --> 00:41:42,083
<i>you should be talking
to somebody?"</i>

978
00:41:42,166 --> 00:41:46,333
And he perpetually denied
it was ever a problem.

979
00:41:46,417 --> 00:41:50,166
<i>- Hiding the gambling
was so easy for me.</i>

980
00:41:50,250 --> 00:41:53,250
But then you start lying
about everything.

981
00:41:53,333 --> 00:41:55,834
<i>- With gambling,
there's no saturation point.</i>

982
00:41:55,917 --> 00:41:58,333
<i>Like, you could only do
so much drugs</i>

983
00:41:58,417 --> 00:41:59,917
<i>before you're gonna pass out
or die,</i>

984
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,500
whereas with gambling,
it's virtually unlimited,

985
00:42:02,583 --> 00:42:04,208
so you could imagine the high.

986
00:42:07,291 --> 00:42:08,851
<i>Eventually, everybody runs out
of money,</i>

987
00:42:08,875 --> 00:42:10,959
<i>and then, like a house of cards,</i>

988
00:42:11,041 --> 00:42:12,625
<i>it all collapses.</i>

989
00:42:20,917 --> 00:42:22,375
<i>- Day 210.</i>

990
00:42:28,125 --> 00:42:29,917
<i>I used to make millions.</i>

991
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,709
<i>Now, I get 5 bucks a month
as a prison tutor.</i>

992
00:42:33,792 --> 00:42:35,375
<i>But the real currency here</i>

993
00:42:35,458 --> 00:42:37,792
<i>is stamps
and packets of mackerel,</i>

994
00:42:37,875 --> 00:42:39,667
<i>things other prisoners want.</i>

995
00:42:42,166 --> 00:42:45,250
<i>I bought some basics
to make my own prison meals.</i>

996
00:42:45,333 --> 00:42:49,417
<i>My best is Ramen
a la Carton y Pollo.</i>

997
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:51,041
<i>It's chicken breast
and turkey log</i>

998
00:42:51,125 --> 00:42:53,166
<i>with ramen noodles.</i>

999
00:42:53,250 --> 00:42:55,375
<i>Now, you gotta make sure
to shake the chicken</i>

1000
00:42:55,458 --> 00:42:58,375
<i>in an empty Dorito bag
for extra flavor.</i>

1001
00:43:06,333 --> 00:43:09,875
<i>Visiting day is the best
and the worst day of the week.</i>

1002
00:43:09,959 --> 00:43:12,875
<i>I live for the visits
of family and friends,</i>

1003
00:43:12,959 --> 00:43:14,250
<i>but it's tough when they go.</i>

1004
00:43:19,709 --> 00:43:22,750
<i>Being here makes the decisions
and risks I took</i>

1005
00:43:22,834 --> 00:43:25,458
<i>so unfathomably stupid.</i>

1006
00:43:25,542 --> 00:43:29,083
<i>Why wasn't being number one
on the radio good enough?</i>

1007
00:43:29,166 --> 00:43:31,583
<i>Why wasn't my family
more important</i>

1008
00:43:31,667 --> 00:43:33,709
<i>than my selfish desires?</i>

1009
00:43:33,792 --> 00:43:36,959
<i>I'm trying to understand
what I was chasing</i>

1010
00:43:37,041 --> 00:43:39,417
<i>and why that chase
was so important.</i>

1011
00:43:45,792 --> 00:43:48,291
<i>I had every single thing
you could ever want in life.</i>

1012
00:43:48,375 --> 00:43:49,583
<i>I made a lot of money,</i>

1013
00:43:49,667 --> 00:43:52,083
<i>I had a beautiful family,
great apartment,</i>

1014
00:43:52,166 --> 00:43:55,500
<i>but I was clearly living,
you know, kinda two lives.</i>

1015
00:43:55,583 --> 00:43:58,792
<i>One, the affable, outgoing
radio talk show host</i>

1016
00:43:58,875 --> 00:44:01,333
<i>who had achieved everything
he ever wanted in life,</i>

1017
00:44:01,417 --> 00:44:02,417
<i>but at the same time,</i>

1018
00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:06,291
<i>I had these personal demons
chasing me.</i>

1019
00:44:06,375 --> 00:44:07,291
<i>And that goes back</i>

1020
00:44:07,375 --> 00:44:10,083
to, you know,
the unfortunate reality

1021
00:44:10,166 --> 00:44:14,834
of being molested as a child
at a summer camp.

1022
00:44:14,917 --> 00:44:17,291
<i>I was abused every night
for eight weeks,</i>

1023
00:44:17,375 --> 00:44:18,375
<i>something I withheld</i>

1024
00:44:18,417 --> 00:44:21,625
<i>for more than 30 years
of my life.</i>

1025
00:44:21,709 --> 00:44:23,959
I still had shame over it.

1026
00:44:24,041 --> 00:44:27,333
You know, it still haunted me
and bothered me.

1027
00:44:27,417 --> 00:44:30,291
<i>I was never living
a full life emotionally,</i>

1028
00:44:30,375 --> 00:44:34,333
<i>'cause I had this secret
which gnawed at me.</i>

1029
00:44:34,417 --> 00:44:38,000
I wish I had been strong enough
much earlier in my life

1030
00:44:38,083 --> 00:44:41,291
to tell people.

1031
00:44:41,375 --> 00:44:44,875
You know,
I wasn't able to do that.

1032
00:44:44,959 --> 00:44:46,542
<i>The first time
I wanted to put it out</i>

1033
00:44:46,625 --> 00:44:48,750
<i>was when I wrote
my book, "Loudmouth,"</i>

1034
00:44:48,834 --> 00:44:51,000
<i>and I wrote a chapter on it.</i>

1035
00:44:51,083 --> 00:44:53,667
Simon and Schuster
actually made the decision

1036
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:55,792
that I shouldn't put it
in the book

1037
00:44:55,875 --> 00:44:57,792
because the rest of the book is

1038
00:44:57,875 --> 00:45:00,834
hijinks and laughter
and fun stuff.

1039
00:45:00,917 --> 00:45:04,333
<i>So I regrettably took it
out of the book.</i>

1040
00:45:04,417 --> 00:45:06,458
<i>I still read it now and then.</i>

1041
00:45:09,208 --> 00:45:10,125
So you want me
to just read it, or...

1042
00:45:10,208 --> 00:45:11,208
- Yeah.

1043
00:45:57,500 --> 00:45:59,291
"And I never cried again

1044
00:45:59,375 --> 00:46:02,291
and haven't cried once
since that night."

1045
00:46:08,041 --> 00:46:10,041
<i>- Sexual abuse
is obviously something</i>

1046
00:46:10,125 --> 00:46:13,166
<i>that he hid deep inside himself.</i>

1047
00:46:13,250 --> 00:46:16,041
And I don't know who knew,
but I could tell you I didn't.

1048
00:46:16,125 --> 00:46:17,351
He never talked to me about it.

1049
00:46:17,375 --> 00:46:20,083
- He never, ever shared

1050
00:46:20,166 --> 00:46:21,458
the most intimate details

1051
00:46:21,542 --> 00:46:23,458
of that part of his life
when he was a child.

1052
00:46:23,542 --> 00:46:27,083
- I found that out
just this year.

1053
00:46:27,166 --> 00:46:28,959
- Obviously, Sandusky's
the bad guy here.

1054
00:46:29,041 --> 00:46:31,083
He's, you know,
the Big Bad Wolf,

1055
00:46:31,166 --> 00:46:33,709
but the reality is that
Joe Paterno is the godfather

1056
00:46:33,792 --> 00:46:35,125
of everything in Penn State.

1057
00:46:35,208 --> 00:46:38,792
<i>The worst moment for me
in not coming forward was</i>

1058
00:46:38,875 --> 00:46:40,834
being on the radio

1059
00:46:40,917 --> 00:46:44,750
during the whole Jerry Sandusky
situation at Penn State.

1060
00:46:44,834 --> 00:46:48,959
This is a predator, a hunter,
of young boys

1061
00:46:49,041 --> 00:46:51,125
who did
the most despicable thing

1062
00:46:51,208 --> 00:46:53,083
you could ever do to a child,

1063
00:46:53,166 --> 00:46:56,208
and the guy that was in charge
of everything at Penn State

1064
00:46:56,291 --> 00:46:58,125
allowed it to go on

1065
00:46:58,208 --> 00:47:00,125
without thinking twice about it.

1066
00:47:00,208 --> 00:47:02,333
<i>- I had never seen him</i>

1067
00:47:02,417 --> 00:47:06,792
react to something so viciously.

1068
00:47:06,875 --> 00:47:08,792
- Here's a man that was told

1069
00:47:08,875 --> 00:47:12,125
that a 10-year-old boy
was being sodomized

1070
00:47:12,208 --> 00:47:13,959
in his backyard

1071
00:47:14,041 --> 00:47:15,792
and did nothing about it.

1072
00:47:15,875 --> 00:47:17,208
- And I now think

1073
00:47:17,291 --> 00:47:19,834
that all the things
that he has been through,

1074
00:47:19,917 --> 00:47:21,375
the way that he is,

1075
00:47:21,458 --> 00:47:23,166
<i>obviously stems
from some of the things</i>

1076
00:47:23,250 --> 00:47:25,041
<i>that happened
while he was in camp.</i>

1077
00:47:28,417 --> 00:47:30,959
<i>- From the minute I decided
not to share</i>

1078
00:47:31,041 --> 00:47:33,500
<i>being molested at summer camp,</i>

1079
00:47:33,583 --> 00:47:35,959
I became good at lying.

1080
00:47:36,041 --> 00:47:38,166
Because your...

1081
00:47:38,250 --> 00:47:40,542
all your emotions are now lies.

1082
00:47:40,625 --> 00:47:42,542
'Cause you're protecting
how you really feel.

1083
00:47:45,417 --> 00:47:48,709
<i>You build up
these defense mechanisms,</i>

1084
00:47:48,792 --> 00:47:52,250
<i>really, as a way
just to get through life.</i>

1085
00:47:52,333 --> 00:47:55,333
Ultimately, I transferred that

1086
00:47:55,417 --> 00:47:58,709
into lying about gambling,

1087
00:47:58,792 --> 00:48:00,375
and they're very much connected.

1088
00:48:03,834 --> 00:48:05,792
<i>- When you have trauma issues
that are unresolved</i>

1089
00:48:05,875 --> 00:48:08,083
<i>and you're having
these big wins,</i>

1090
00:48:08,166 --> 00:48:11,041
<i>it makes you really forget
about that trauma.</i>

1091
00:48:11,125 --> 00:48:12,709
Gambling is one
of the perfect drugs.

1092
00:48:12,792 --> 00:48:14,875
It almost always works.

1093
00:48:23,458 --> 00:48:25,542
<i>- Which number will be higher?</i>

1094
00:48:25,625 --> 00:48:29,208
<i>Rangers' shots on goal
tomorrow night</i>

1095
00:48:29,291 --> 00:48:32,375
<i>or Carmelo Anthony points
tonight?</i>

1096
00:48:32,458 --> 00:48:35,542
<i>- Rangers' shots on goal.
- I will take Carmelo.</i>

1097
00:48:35,625 --> 00:48:37,709
We got a hundy on that though.
We shook like men.

1098
00:48:37,792 --> 00:48:38,935
You wanna pinky swear
like men too?

1099
00:48:38,959 --> 00:48:40,142
- I'm not gonna
pinky swear anything.

1100
00:48:40,166 --> 00:48:41,643
- Well, I'm just saying.
- I shook your hand.

1101
00:48:41,667 --> 00:48:43,333
<i>- It made sense to me
at the time,</i>

1102
00:48:43,417 --> 00:48:46,417
but the very first loan I took
to gamble with,

1103
00:48:46,500 --> 00:48:49,583
it's immediately wrong
and out of control.

1104
00:48:49,667 --> 00:48:51,583
<i>If you lose their money,</i>

1105
00:48:51,667 --> 00:48:54,125
<i>you have to pay them back
out of your money</i>

1106
00:48:54,208 --> 00:48:55,458
<i>with interest.</i>

1107
00:48:55,542 --> 00:48:58,834
<i>If you add up all the loans
over a couple of years,</i>

1108
00:48:58,917 --> 00:49:02,750
<i>I borrowed over $30 million
to gamble with.</i>

1109
00:49:02,834 --> 00:49:04,458
In 2017,

1110
00:49:04,542 --> 00:49:07,875
I was the net loser
of a couple million dollars.

1111
00:49:07,959 --> 00:49:11,542
I had to cover
the losses personally.

1112
00:49:11,625 --> 00:49:14,083
<i>- The amazing thing about Craig</i>

1113
00:49:14,166 --> 00:49:18,083
<i>and one of the reasons
we were all sort of blindsided</i>

1114
00:49:18,166 --> 00:49:21,750
is that when the light came on,
he was ready to go

1115
00:49:21,834 --> 00:49:24,083
and still performing
at his best.

1116
00:49:24,166 --> 00:49:25,166
- Now I'm sure, guy,

1117
00:49:25,208 --> 00:49:27,000
your intellect
is probably illiterate,

1118
00:49:27,083 --> 00:49:28,959
so I read the newspaper for you.

1119
00:49:29,041 --> 00:49:30,792
<i>- He was the mailman.
That guy delivered.</i>

1120
00:49:30,875 --> 00:49:32,226
No matter what was going on
around him,

1121
00:49:32,250 --> 00:49:36,166
he could block it out
and just zoom in on that camera

1122
00:49:36,250 --> 00:49:37,750
<i>and capture that audience.</i>

1123
00:49:37,834 --> 00:49:39,500
- What do you have a thing for?

1124
00:49:39,583 --> 00:49:41,125
- Lasagna.
- Okay.

1125
00:49:41,208 --> 00:49:42,250
- Yes.
- Good. Nice.

1126
00:49:42,333 --> 00:49:44,291
- And I will admit,

1127
00:49:44,375 --> 00:49:47,166
hot chicks in nothing at all
but football jerseys

1128
00:49:47,250 --> 00:49:49,500
and me pouring barbecue sauce
all over them

1129
00:49:49,583 --> 00:49:51,417
and working them like a rib.

1130
00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:53,583
But that's me, Boomer.
That's my fetish.

1131
00:49:53,667 --> 00:49:55,291
- It is absolutely shocking
to me

1132
00:49:55,375 --> 00:49:58,792
that he was able to come in
and do radio shows.

1133
00:49:58,875 --> 00:50:00,542
<i>I can't imagine
the stress he was under.</i>

1134
00:50:00,625 --> 00:50:02,792
- All hail the king!

1135
00:50:02,875 --> 00:50:04,518
- Even though you knew
there had to be bad,

1136
00:50:04,542 --> 00:50:06,291
you never saw it.

1137
00:50:06,375 --> 00:50:08,709
He was a master of disguise
in that manner.

1138
00:50:10,959 --> 00:50:14,667
<i>- Part of the appeal of Craig
and the tragic nature of Craig</i>

1139
00:50:14,750 --> 00:50:17,959
<i>is that, you know, he manages
to screw things up for himself</i>

1140
00:50:18,041 --> 00:50:19,834
even when things are going
really well.

1141
00:50:19,917 --> 00:50:23,250
Self-sabotage, it's like
it's part of his arsenal.

1142
00:50:24,917 --> 00:50:27,333
<i>- There was one time
that he had called me</i>

1143
00:50:27,417 --> 00:50:29,625
<i>to meet at the Greek downtown.</i>

1144
00:50:29,709 --> 00:50:31,875
He started rambling on
about this pitch

1145
00:50:31,959 --> 00:50:35,166
and, you know, tickets,
and, you know, investment

1146
00:50:35,250 --> 00:50:38,834
<i>and this business that made
no sense whatsoever to me,</i>

1147
00:50:38,917 --> 00:50:40,834
<i>and at that moment,</i>

1148
00:50:40,917 --> 00:50:43,166
I said to myself, "Hmm.

1149
00:50:43,250 --> 00:50:45,583
"Something bad is going on here.

1150
00:50:45,667 --> 00:50:47,709
He's in trouble."

1151
00:50:47,792 --> 00:50:50,083
<i>- And then a guy
that I've partnered with</i>

1152
00:50:50,166 --> 00:50:54,166
in a ticket business
gets arrested by the FBI.

1153
00:50:54,875 --> 00:50:58,333
<i>- We investigated Joe Meli
for some illegal activity</i>

1154
00:50:58,417 --> 00:51:01,250
<i>around secondary market sales
of tickets,</i>

1155
00:51:01,333 --> 00:51:02,893
and in the course
of that investigation,

1156
00:51:02,959 --> 00:51:06,041
we saw some communications
and some financial transactions

1157
00:51:06,125 --> 00:51:08,083
that he had with Craig Carton,

1158
00:51:08,166 --> 00:51:10,041
<i>and so as we began
to look into Mr. Meli,</i>

1159
00:51:10,125 --> 00:51:12,375
<i>we started to look
into Mr. Carton's activity</i>

1160
00:51:12,458 --> 00:51:13,750
<i>as well.</i>

1161
00:51:13,834 --> 00:51:16,041
<i>- The FBI picked up Joe Meli,</i>

1162
00:51:16,125 --> 00:51:18,000
<i>and once Craig got wind
of the story,</i>

1163
00:51:18,083 --> 00:51:19,601
he started to talk to me
more and more about,

1164
00:51:19,625 --> 00:51:20,893
"I can't believe
this is happening.

1165
00:51:20,917 --> 00:51:22,476
"How come nobody told me
this guy was no good?

1166
00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:24,375
I can't believe
I'm wrapped up in this."

1167
00:51:24,458 --> 00:51:27,041
<i>- Ultimately, what Craig did was</i>

1168
00:51:27,125 --> 00:51:30,291
defraud a hedge fund of money
that they invested

1169
00:51:30,375 --> 00:51:32,750
in what they thought
was legitimate business.

1170
00:51:32,834 --> 00:51:35,083
- What he actually used
the funds for was to pay off

1171
00:51:35,166 --> 00:51:38,291
old investors in some
of these other similar schemes

1172
00:51:38,375 --> 00:51:41,500
and to repay debts,
particularly gambling debts.

1173
00:51:41,583 --> 00:51:43,458
- The one thing I'm guilty of

1174
00:51:43,542 --> 00:51:46,750
is misappropriating
the hedge fund's money.

1175
00:51:46,834 --> 00:51:47,917
I spent their money

1176
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,417
five weeks before the money
should've been spent.

1177
00:51:51,500 --> 00:51:54,125
Now, I still bought everything
they expected me to buy,

1178
00:51:54,208 --> 00:51:56,750
but still,
the timing of when I did it

1179
00:51:56,834 --> 00:51:57,834
is illegal.

1180
00:51:57,875 --> 00:51:59,375
- You can't take money
for one purpose

1181
00:51:59,458 --> 00:52:02,959
and use it for another
in business.

1182
00:52:06,709 --> 00:52:10,750
<i>- It's mentally draining
to live life,</i>

1183
00:52:10,834 --> 00:52:13,583
<i>and then live a secret life</i>

1184
00:52:13,667 --> 00:52:17,792
<i>and to mentally process
all the lies you've told.</i>

1185
00:52:17,875 --> 00:52:19,166
<i>Clearly, the amount of crap</i>

1186
00:52:19,250 --> 00:52:21,917
<i>going on inside my head
was overwhelming.</i>

1187
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,792
I've got my gambling crap
over here,

1188
00:52:24,875 --> 00:52:27,500
I've got my work
responsibilities here,

1189
00:52:27,583 --> 00:52:30,291
I've got my family
responsibilities here,

1190
00:52:30,375 --> 00:52:32,667
and now I'm juggling,

1191
00:52:32,750 --> 00:52:35,667
and I'm juggling on a high wire.

1192
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:39,083
Because now I'm worried,
"They arrested this guy.

1193
00:52:39,166 --> 00:52:40,810
"They're gonna come talk to me
at some point.

1194
00:52:40,834 --> 00:52:42,125
We did business together."

1195
00:52:42,208 --> 00:52:43,667
I was mentally drained.

1196
00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:51,542
My wife and I went to Whistler,
British Columbia,

1197
00:52:51,625 --> 00:52:55,208
for just an adult vacation.

1198
00:52:55,291 --> 00:52:56,709
<i>So I get on the lift</i>

1199
00:52:56,792 --> 00:52:58,267
<i>and I took it
to the top of the mountain</i>

1200
00:52:58,291 --> 00:53:00,667
<i>and I'm kinda admiring
the scenery on the way up.</i>

1201
00:53:00,750 --> 00:53:03,166
<i>It's a beautiful place.</i>

1202
00:53:03,250 --> 00:53:05,583
I eat lunch,
I have a couple drinks,

1203
00:53:05,667 --> 00:53:07,709
and after about an hour or so,

1204
00:53:07,792 --> 00:53:09,542
I decide it's time
to go back down.

1205
00:53:09,625 --> 00:53:13,166
I'm gonna meet my wife.

1206
00:53:13,250 --> 00:53:15,875
<i>So I get on the lift chair
by myself,</i>

1207
00:53:15,959 --> 00:53:18,291
and as I'm going down,

1208
00:53:18,375 --> 00:53:22,500
I now have a desire to jump...

1209
00:53:22,583 --> 00:53:25,000
off the lift chair,
down to the mountain.

1210
00:53:31,583 --> 00:53:33,750
<i>I lifted the bar up</i>

1211
00:53:33,834 --> 00:53:36,458
and I'm now inching closer
to the edge of the seat.

1212
00:53:38,959 --> 00:53:41,208
<i>And I got very upset.</i>

1213
00:53:41,291 --> 00:53:42,709
I started crying,

1214
00:53:42,792 --> 00:53:45,667
and I had this...

1215
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:48,875
out loud conversation
with myself.

1216
00:53:48,959 --> 00:53:51,041
And I'm tell... "Don't do it.
Don't do it.

1217
00:53:51,125 --> 00:53:54,041
You're better than this.
You're not jumping."

1218
00:53:54,125 --> 00:53:56,333
<i>And as I'm telling myself
not to do it,</i>

1219
00:53:56,417 --> 00:54:00,250
<i>I'm inching closer and closer
to the edge of the seat,</i>

1220
00:54:00,333 --> 00:54:01,250
'cause I'm going.

1221
00:54:01,333 --> 00:54:03,083
There's no doubt in my mind,

1222
00:54:03,166 --> 00:54:04,834
I'm jumping off this chairlift.

1223
00:54:04,917 --> 00:54:05,997
It's just a matter of when.

1224
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:14,875
<i>Fortunately, I had my phone
with me.</i>

1225
00:54:14,959 --> 00:54:17,125
<i>And I just called the first
person whose name I saw</i>

1226
00:54:17,208 --> 00:54:20,125
<i>that I knew was a friend.</i>

1227
00:54:20,208 --> 00:54:22,208
<i>- I'm just going about my day.</i>

1228
00:54:22,291 --> 00:54:24,917
<i>I get a phone call from Craig.</i>

1229
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,810
I didn't understand, really,
what he was saying.

1230
00:54:26,834 --> 00:54:29,750
He was outta control,
inconsolable.

1231
00:54:29,834 --> 00:54:33,083
<i>He was truly in
a desperate situation.</i>

1232
00:54:33,166 --> 00:54:35,625
<i>- And I said, "I need you
to just talk to me.</i>

1233
00:54:35,709 --> 00:54:37,250
"I'm gonna hurt myself.

1234
00:54:37,333 --> 00:54:39,458
I'm about to jump
off a chairlift."

1235
00:54:39,542 --> 00:54:41,000
And I'm crying.

1236
00:54:43,875 --> 00:54:45,458
<i>- Really, it was only
maybe five seconds</i>

1237
00:54:45,542 --> 00:54:48,959
before I went from him kidding
to "This is actually real."

1238
00:54:53,166 --> 00:54:54,583
<i>- He talked.</i>

1239
00:54:54,667 --> 00:54:58,125
He talked to me
for however long it was.

1240
00:54:58,208 --> 00:54:59,125
- So all I could say

1241
00:54:59,208 --> 00:55:00,125
at that point was, "I love you."

1242
00:55:00,208 --> 00:55:01,125
"Listen, I love you.

1243
00:55:01,208 --> 00:55:02,267
"You're gonna make it
to the bottom.

1244
00:55:02,291 --> 00:55:03,393
"You're gonna get to the bottom
of this thing.

1245
00:55:03,417 --> 00:55:07,250
You're not gonna jump."

1246
00:55:07,333 --> 00:55:09,834
<i>And slowly but surely,
the yelling stopped</i>

1247
00:55:09,917 --> 00:55:11,667
<i>and the breathing started
to slow down.</i>

1248
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:13,750
I just kinda coaxed him down
for the last few bits.

1249
00:55:16,583 --> 00:55:18,959
<i>And the crazy part about it is,</i>

1250
00:55:19,041 --> 00:55:21,083
just as he gets off
of the ski lift...

1251
00:55:21,166 --> 00:55:22,291
- I said, "Go eff yourself.

1252
00:55:22,375 --> 00:55:23,750
I'll talk to you
about this later."

1253
00:55:23,834 --> 00:55:24,851
- Click, and just hangs up,

1254
00:55:24,875 --> 00:55:28,792
and I was like,
"Oh, uh, that's it."

1255
00:55:28,875 --> 00:55:31,834
He needed me, I was there,

1256
00:55:31,917 --> 00:55:33,375
and then on to the next.

1257
00:55:36,041 --> 00:55:38,667
<i>- Thankfully, I haven't
felt that way since.</i>

1258
00:55:38,750 --> 00:55:40,709
But I absolutely was gonna jump.

1259
00:55:40,792 --> 00:55:44,166
There was no doubt about it.

1260
00:55:53,125 --> 00:55:55,959
<i>The morning
of September 6, 2017,</i>

1261
00:55:56,041 --> 00:55:57,542
<i>that was our first night ever</i>

1262
00:55:57,625 --> 00:56:00,875
<i>living in this new apartment
we had moved into.</i>

1263
00:56:00,959 --> 00:56:02,792
<i>I got up at 3:00 in the morning.</i>

1264
00:56:02,875 --> 00:56:06,625
I called Uber
to take me to work.

1265
00:56:06,709 --> 00:56:08,375
<i>I walked out of the apartment.</i>

1266
00:56:08,458 --> 00:56:11,000
<i>There was a woman
coming up the stairs,</i>

1267
00:56:11,083 --> 00:56:13,458
<i>and she immediately said,
"Are you Craig Carton?"</i>

1268
00:56:13,542 --> 00:56:14,709
"Yes, I am."

1269
00:56:14,792 --> 00:56:16,750
"FBI. You're under arrest."

1270
00:56:19,083 --> 00:56:23,542
<i>That was my "day of reckoning."</i>

1271
00:56:23,625 --> 00:56:25,417
I was immediately cuffed.

1272
00:56:25,500 --> 00:56:27,875
<i>Then they brought me
to the park bench</i>

1273
00:56:27,959 --> 00:56:31,000
<i>and told me to call my wife.</i>

1274
00:56:31,083 --> 00:56:32,417
<i>I woke her up.</i>

1275
00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:33,893
<i>You know,
probably the worst phone call</i>

1276
00:56:33,917 --> 00:56:35,375
<i>I ever had to make.</i>

1277
00:56:35,458 --> 00:56:37,418
<i>And when she came down,
she had this terrible look</i>

1278
00:56:37,458 --> 00:56:41,041
<i>of, you know, sadness
on her face and bewilderment.</i>

1279
00:56:41,125 --> 00:56:43,875
<i>It's still dark outside,</i>

1280
00:56:43,959 --> 00:56:47,041
and I'm sitting there
handcuffed to a park bench

1281
00:56:47,125 --> 00:56:49,750
surrounded by FBI agents.

1282
00:56:54,625 --> 00:56:58,166
<i>- I drive in with Jerry Recco
on a lot of days.</i>

1283
00:56:58,250 --> 00:57:02,083
<i>We had just parked the car,
and my phone rings.</i>

1284
00:57:02,166 --> 00:57:04,458
It was Craig's wife, Kim.

1285
00:57:04,542 --> 00:57:05,685
- And I remember him
looking at it,

1286
00:57:05,709 --> 00:57:08,291
looking at me, and saying,
"This isn't good."

1287
00:57:08,375 --> 00:57:11,875
- Kim said, "Al,
Craig will not be in today."

1288
00:57:11,959 --> 00:57:13,333
I said, "Okay."

1289
00:57:13,417 --> 00:57:14,917
I said, "Is everything okay?"

1290
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,625
She said, "No, but I can't talk
to you right now about it."

1291
00:57:18,709 --> 00:57:20,518
- "Something's going on,
Craig's not coming in,

1292
00:57:20,542 --> 00:57:21,583
so you have to host."

1293
00:57:21,667 --> 00:57:22,667
That was it.

1294
00:57:22,709 --> 00:57:23,750
"Okay. That's fine.

1295
00:57:23,834 --> 00:57:24,851
"Maybe they had an argument.

1296
00:57:24,875 --> 00:57:26,458
Maybe one of the kids was sick."

1297
00:57:26,542 --> 00:57:28,750
Never thought anything of it
other than, "Ugh,

1298
00:57:28,834 --> 00:57:30,184
now I gotta go in there
for four hours,"

1299
00:57:30,208 --> 00:57:31,375
really unprepared.

1300
00:57:34,959 --> 00:57:38,250
<i>- It's only a little bit
after 4:00 in the morning now,</i>

1301
00:57:38,333 --> 00:57:39,500
<i>so there's no traffic,</i>

1302
00:57:39,583 --> 00:57:41,343
<i>there's no hustle and bustle
yet of New York.</i>

1303
00:57:48,250 --> 00:57:49,450
<i>- There were two young agents.</i>

1304
00:57:49,500 --> 00:57:51,583
One of them made a point
of telling me

1305
00:57:51,667 --> 00:57:53,625
how big a fan he was of mine,

1306
00:57:53,709 --> 00:57:55,792
and this was kind of
a surreal moment for him.

1307
00:57:55,875 --> 00:57:59,125
- He was, you know, shocked
a little bit at first,

1308
00:57:59,208 --> 00:58:01,458
but he was, you know, very calm

1309
00:58:01,542 --> 00:58:03,792
and he was actually
very respectful as well.

1310
00:58:03,875 --> 00:58:05,458
<i>He did say to the agents
at one point,</i>

1311
00:58:05,542 --> 00:58:07,422
<i>"I just want you guys to know
that I respect you</i>

1312
00:58:07,500 --> 00:58:10,792
<i>and I respect what you do."</i>

1313
00:58:10,875 --> 00:58:13,583
<i>- They drove me
to Federal Plaza,</i>

1314
00:58:13,667 --> 00:58:16,291
<i>and there was a guard
in the guard tower,</i>

1315
00:58:16,375 --> 00:58:18,250
<i>and it was the first time
I ever heard myself</i>

1316
00:58:18,333 --> 00:58:21,333
<i>being referred to as a criminal.</i>

1317
00:58:21,417 --> 00:58:22,959
<i>They were very nonchalant.</i>

1318
00:58:23,041 --> 00:58:25,458
"Hey, we got one criminal
in the back."

1319
00:58:28,250 --> 00:58:30,834
- All righty. Here we are.

1320
00:58:30,917 --> 00:58:33,792
Al Dukes comes to me and says,
"Kim just called.

1321
00:58:33,875 --> 00:58:35,333
Craig's not coming in today."

1322
00:58:38,875 --> 00:58:41,291
<i>- As the morning show
was getting close to 6:00,</i>

1323
00:58:41,375 --> 00:58:42,625
<i>Craig wasn't there.</i>

1324
00:58:42,709 --> 00:58:45,250
He had appeared to be
under the weather

1325
00:58:45,333 --> 00:58:48,291
for a few days before
and sluggish.

1326
00:58:48,375 --> 00:58:50,667
- He was a little edgy
the day before.

1327
00:58:50,750 --> 00:58:53,166
<i>He was actually even,
I believe, sleeping</i>

1328
00:58:53,250 --> 00:58:56,500
<i>in between, you know,
some of our commercial breaks.</i>

1329
00:58:56,583 --> 00:58:57,976
<i>I figured
there was something wrong,</i>

1330
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,166
but I had no idea what it was.

1331
00:59:01,250 --> 00:59:03,375
<i>- WFAN-FM, New York.</i>

1332
00:59:03,458 --> 00:59:05,834
<i>It's "Boomer and Carton"
on The FAN.</i>

1333
00:59:05,917 --> 00:59:10,125
<i>- September 6, 2017,
was my 55th birthday.</i>

1334
00:59:11,417 --> 00:59:15,291
And I flipped on
"Boomer and Carton"

1335
00:59:15,375 --> 00:59:16,875
and only saw Boomer.

1336
00:59:16,959 --> 00:59:19,500
- I remember
opening the show as,

1337
00:59:19,583 --> 00:59:21,500
"Numb Nuts is not here today."

1338
00:59:21,583 --> 00:59:23,542
If you hear me
starting the show,

1339
00:59:23,625 --> 00:59:25,417
that means Numb Nuts
is under the weather.

1340
00:59:25,500 --> 00:59:27,000
And he's not here.

1341
00:59:27,083 --> 00:59:28,267
<i>- And it was pretty clear to me</i>

1342
00:59:28,291 --> 00:59:30,625
that they didn't know
why Craig wasn't there.

1343
00:59:33,500 --> 00:59:36,375
<i>- They brought me
into a very small office room</i>

1344
00:59:36,458 --> 00:59:38,375
<i>and then cuffed me to something</i>

1345
00:59:38,458 --> 00:59:39,709
<i>on the side of the wall,</i>

1346
00:59:39,792 --> 00:59:41,875
<i>and I was sitting
at a table basically</i>

1347
00:59:41,959 --> 00:59:43,542
for the next four hours.

1348
00:59:43,625 --> 00:59:48,083
- We don't handle celebrities
or people of any notability

1349
00:59:48,166 --> 00:59:49,685
any different
than anyone else we arrest.

1350
00:59:49,709 --> 00:59:51,250
<i>If you're being arrested
by the FBI,</i>

1351
00:59:51,333 --> 00:59:52,518
<i>you're being arrested by the FBI</i>

1352
00:59:52,542 --> 00:59:54,750
<i>because you committed
a federal crime.</i>

1353
00:59:54,834 --> 00:59:55,917
<i>He definitely was not</i>

1354
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,810
<i>the Craig Carton you heard
on the radio though.</i>

1355
00:59:57,834 --> 00:59:58,750
He didn't have

1356
00:59:58,834 --> 01:00:00,542
that brash personality that day.

1357
01:00:00,625 --> 01:00:02,810
- They brought me, like,
a snack bar or something to eat

1358
01:00:02,834 --> 01:00:04,083
and a soda,

1359
01:00:04,166 --> 01:00:07,250
<i>and then press release went out.</i>

1360
01:00:07,333 --> 01:00:10,625
<i>- And it was probably
in the 7:00 hour</i>

1361
01:00:10,709 --> 01:00:12,083
<i>when I started to see</i>

1362
01:00:12,166 --> 01:00:14,583
<i>the alerts come across
on Twitter</i>

1363
01:00:14,667 --> 01:00:16,917
<i>that Craig had been arrested.</i>

1364
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,083
Most of us thought
it was something...

1365
01:00:20,166 --> 01:00:22,959
smoking pot, maybe a DUI.

1366
01:00:23,041 --> 01:00:26,750
- It was about an hour later
that it comes out

1367
01:00:26,834 --> 01:00:30,583
that he was arrested by the FBI.

1368
01:00:30,667 --> 01:00:31,875
Boom.

1369
01:00:31,959 --> 01:00:34,458
<i>- "Boomer and Carton" cohost
Craig Carton was arrested</i>

1370
01:00:34,542 --> 01:00:36,000
<i>at his home on federal charges</i>

1371
01:00:36,083 --> 01:00:38,667
<i>related to white-collar crime
early this morning.</i>

1372
01:00:38,750 --> 01:00:42,000
<i>It's unclear
what those charges are.</i>

1373
01:00:42,083 --> 01:00:44,250
<i>- I called Al Dukes</i>

1374
01:00:44,333 --> 01:00:46,709
<i>and I said,
"Al, what is going on?"</i>

1375
01:00:46,792 --> 01:00:49,291
And he said,
"The FBI arrested him."

1376
01:00:49,375 --> 01:00:50,542
And I said, "For what?"

1377
01:00:50,625 --> 01:00:52,625
And he said, "I have no idea."

1378
01:00:52,709 --> 01:00:54,625
<i>- All right, it's 7:36
on The FAN.</i>

1379
01:00:54,709 --> 01:00:55,976
"Boomer and Carton"
in the morning.

1380
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,851
Jerry Recco sitting
in the power chair this morning

1381
01:00:57,875 --> 01:00:58,792
for Craigy.

1382
01:00:58,875 --> 01:01:00,041
<i>- I was stunned,</i>

1383
01:01:00,125 --> 01:01:01,458
and you start to think, like,

1384
01:01:01,542 --> 01:01:03,125
"What has he gotten
himself into?"

1385
01:01:04,500 --> 01:01:06,125
Mark Chernoff,
our program director,

1386
01:01:06,208 --> 01:01:08,351
comes running into the studio
and says, "Don't say anything!

1387
01:01:08,375 --> 01:01:10,500
Don't say anything!"

1388
01:01:10,583 --> 01:01:12,625
And I'm like,
"Don't say anything?

1389
01:01:12,709 --> 01:01:14,000
"I mean, we're a talk show,

1390
01:01:14,083 --> 01:01:16,834
"and the talk show host
that is not here

1391
01:01:16,917 --> 01:01:19,333
"is arrested by the FBI,
for Christ's sake.

1392
01:01:19,417 --> 01:01:21,500
What am I supposed to say?"

1393
01:01:21,583 --> 01:01:23,417
<i>- All right,
top of the hour, 9:00.</i>

1394
01:01:23,500 --> 01:01:25,375
<i>"Boomer and Carton" on The FAN.</i>

1395
01:01:25,458 --> 01:01:26,709
<i>I am sitting in for Craig</i>

1396
01:01:26,792 --> 01:01:28,500
<i>and Boomer will be back
in just a moment.</i>

1397
01:01:28,583 --> 01:01:29,792
<i>We got a lot going on.</i>

1398
01:01:29,875 --> 01:01:31,333
<i>- Radio's an interesting thing</i>

1399
01:01:31,417 --> 01:01:34,000
in that it doesn't stop
for anything.

1400
01:01:34,083 --> 01:01:37,000
<i>You kinda have to roll
with the changes.</i>

1401
01:01:37,083 --> 01:01:38,226
- And I gotta look in the camera

1402
01:01:38,250 --> 01:01:40,208
and I gotta say, "Well...

1403
01:01:40,291 --> 01:01:42,333
"now I know why my partner's
not here this morning.

1404
01:01:42,417 --> 01:01:44,500
He's been arrested by the FBI."

1405
01:01:44,583 --> 01:01:46,834
I am aware, now, why Craig
is not here this morning.

1406
01:01:46,917 --> 01:01:50,000
Unfortunately, he was arrested
this morning.

1407
01:01:50,083 --> 01:01:52,875
Over here at the station,
they're aware of it as well.

1408
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,542
They're cooperating
with authorities.

1409
01:01:55,625 --> 01:01:58,083
I'm taken aback
and surprised by it,

1410
01:01:58,166 --> 01:01:59,959
just like I'm sure
everybody else is.

1411
01:02:00,041 --> 01:02:02,417
I have no other information.
There's nothing else I can say.

1412
01:02:02,500 --> 01:02:04,583
I thought he called in sick
this morning,

1413
01:02:04,667 --> 01:02:06,959
but unfortunately,
my partner was arrested,

1414
01:02:07,041 --> 01:02:10,041
so I guess there'll be
more news to come, I'm sure,

1415
01:02:10,125 --> 01:02:11,125
from somewhere.

1416
01:02:11,166 --> 01:02:12,875
"But at this moment,
I'm as shocked

1417
01:02:12,959 --> 01:02:14,208
as everybody else."

1418
01:02:14,291 --> 01:02:16,333
Because I was.

1419
01:02:16,417 --> 01:02:17,834
And not only shocked.

1420
01:02:17,917 --> 01:02:18,917
I was angry.

1421
01:02:18,959 --> 01:02:21,542
I was brokenhearted
over the whole thing.

1422
01:02:28,458 --> 01:02:31,041
<i>- And then it all started
clicking into place</i>

1423
01:02:31,125 --> 01:02:33,875
that he was doing
the old shell game,

1424
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,959
just pay off the gambling debts.

1425
01:02:37,041 --> 01:02:38,434
<i>- The formal charges
that were brought</i>

1426
01:02:38,458 --> 01:02:40,625
<i>were securities fraud,
wire fraud,</i>

1427
01:02:40,709 --> 01:02:43,083
<i>and then conspiracy
to commit those offenses.</i>

1428
01:02:43,166 --> 01:02:44,917
Basically, that just means
he lied to people

1429
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,875
to solicit funds from them
and did that with other people.

1430
01:02:48,959 --> 01:02:51,417
<i>- Shortly after that,
I was in front of a judge.</i>

1431
01:02:51,500 --> 01:02:52,750
<i>It's surreal.</i>

1432
01:02:52,834 --> 01:02:54,542
Like, this can't
possibly be happening.

1433
01:02:58,667 --> 01:03:00,017
<i>You know,
the courtroom was packed,</i>

1434
01:03:00,041 --> 01:03:01,583
<i>and it's all media.</i>

1435
01:03:01,667 --> 01:03:04,083
<i>The judge made
a wisecrack about,</i>

1436
01:03:04,166 --> 01:03:05,766
"Apparently, there's a lot
of sports fans

1437
01:03:05,834 --> 01:03:06,954
here in the building today."

1438
01:03:12,375 --> 01:03:15,917
I remember seeing my wife,
my brother.

1439
01:03:16,041 --> 01:03:17,792
That was very upsetting to me,

1440
01:03:17,875 --> 01:03:19,959
to see people I loved
and cared for

1441
01:03:20,041 --> 01:03:21,959
who are there looking at me,

1442
01:03:22,041 --> 01:03:24,834
you know,
as a potential criminal.

1443
01:03:26,709 --> 01:03:28,959
<i>- All right,
it's 9:59 on The FAN.</i>

1444
01:03:29,041 --> 01:03:29,959
<i>"Boomer and Carton" here.</i>

1445
01:03:30,041 --> 01:03:31,959
<i>This is me signing off
for today,</i>

1446
01:03:32,041 --> 01:03:33,625
<i>and it's been
a very interesting day</i>

1447
01:03:33,709 --> 01:03:35,709
<i>around here at WFAN for sure.</i>

1448
01:03:35,792 --> 01:03:38,959
<i>- I spoke to Boomer
after the show was over.</i>

1449
01:03:39,041 --> 01:03:41,166
He said to me, "I think
he's got real trouble here."

1450
01:03:47,583 --> 01:03:49,125
<i>- I knew we were popular,</i>

1451
01:03:49,208 --> 01:03:51,458
but when I walked out
of that courtroom,

1452
01:03:51,542 --> 01:03:53,959
I mean, I've never experienced
anything like that in my life.

1453
01:03:57,583 --> 01:03:59,166
<i>I mean, it was like
"Lord of the Flies"</i>

1454
01:03:59,250 --> 01:04:00,875
<i>amongst the media
to get in my face</i>

1455
01:04:00,959 --> 01:04:03,166
<i>with a camera or a microphone.</i>

1456
01:04:03,250 --> 01:04:04,875
You know,
personal space meant nothing.

1457
01:04:08,750 --> 01:04:10,583
<i>- When you see
the video footage of him</i>

1458
01:04:10,667 --> 01:04:12,208
<i>coming from the courthouse,</i>

1459
01:04:12,291 --> 01:04:15,667
I mean, jaw-dropping doesn't
even begin to... I was stunned.

1460
01:04:19,250 --> 01:04:21,542
<i>- I was hoping
it was some kind of mistake.</i>

1461
01:04:26,250 --> 01:04:27,417
<i>But it's highly unlikely</i>

1462
01:04:27,500 --> 01:04:30,333
<i>that federal prosecutors
are gonna drop these charges.</i>

1463
01:04:30,417 --> 01:04:33,166
<i>Especially with
a big public figure,</i>

1464
01:04:33,250 --> 01:04:35,667
you usually shoot to kill.

1465
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:37,709
You don't shoot to wound.

1466
01:04:37,792 --> 01:04:40,250
And you usually don't miss
the shot.

1467
01:04:40,333 --> 01:04:42,875
<i>- I knew right away
that I was screwed job-wise.</i>

1468
01:04:42,959 --> 01:04:44,333
<i>There was no doubt in my mind.</i>

1469
01:04:49,125 --> 01:04:51,125
- That was the moment
that that show was over.

1470
01:04:59,291 --> 01:05:01,166
<i>- I wanna say thank you
to all of our listeners</i>

1471
01:05:01,250 --> 01:05:02,476
<i>that reached out
to me yesterday.</i>

1472
01:05:02,500 --> 01:05:04,542
<i>As you can imagine,
my phone blew up</i>

1473
01:05:04,625 --> 01:05:06,875
as everybody was finding out
what was going on.

1474
01:05:06,959 --> 01:05:08,875
<i>- For ten years, we were one</i>

1475
01:05:08,959 --> 01:05:12,375
<i>of the most listened to sports
talk radio shows in America.</i>

1476
01:05:12,458 --> 01:05:13,583
<i>And for those ten years,</i>

1477
01:05:13,667 --> 01:05:15,250
<i>we never had a single argument.</i>

1478
01:05:15,333 --> 01:05:17,375
<i>Never had a single fight.</i>

1479
01:05:17,458 --> 01:05:18,834
We were kinda brothers in arms.

1480
01:05:18,917 --> 01:05:20,417
- I just want people to know
out there

1481
01:05:20,500 --> 01:05:22,417
that I loved my partner
for ten years.

1482
01:05:22,500 --> 01:05:24,250
I still love my partner.

1483
01:05:24,333 --> 01:05:26,093
<i>We tried to have
a conversation here or there</i>

1484
01:05:26,166 --> 01:05:28,208
<i>and, you know,
it never went well</i>

1485
01:05:28,291 --> 01:05:29,643
because he didn't
wanna understand,

1486
01:05:29,667 --> 01:05:30,976
I don't think he wanted
to understand,

1487
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,643
that, you know, I have
other people in my life

1488
01:05:32,667 --> 01:05:34,959
that are like, "Get the hell
away from that guy.

1489
01:05:35,041 --> 01:05:37,583
He got arrested by the FBI."

1490
01:05:37,667 --> 01:05:40,458
<i>- When you get arrested,
you don't tell the FBI,</i>

1491
01:05:40,542 --> 01:05:42,792
<i>"Give me a minute.
I gotta call 30 people."</i>

1492
01:05:42,875 --> 01:05:44,291
<i>So unfortunately, he found out</i>

1493
01:05:44,375 --> 01:05:46,083
<i>the way the rest of the world
found out.</i>

1494
01:05:46,166 --> 01:05:48,250
<i>He either texted
or emailed me back</i>

1495
01:05:48,333 --> 01:05:50,917
that he needed a few days
before he could call me.

1496
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,083
- It took me a while.

1497
01:05:52,166 --> 01:05:53,291
It took me a while.

1498
01:05:53,375 --> 01:05:56,542
And the reason it took me
a while was because

1499
01:05:56,625 --> 01:05:58,458
I felt like
I didn't wanna know, you know?

1500
01:05:58,542 --> 01:06:01,417
I just... I don't wanna know
all the seedy details.

1501
01:06:03,375 --> 01:06:05,250
<i>I didn't wanna
get myself embroiled</i>

1502
01:06:05,333 --> 01:06:07,917
<i>in what he had to do
to defend himself.</i>

1503
01:06:10,375 --> 01:06:11,583
<i>They told me to read this.</i>

1504
01:06:11,667 --> 01:06:13,959
"My cohost Craig Carton has
been suspended from this show

1505
01:06:14,041 --> 01:06:15,583
until further notice."

1506
01:06:18,834 --> 01:06:22,250
<i>I remember him sending me
a pretty negative email.</i>

1507
01:06:22,333 --> 01:06:24,458
When I read the email,
it made me puke, actually,

1508
01:06:24,542 --> 01:06:26,875
it was just so pathetic, but...

1509
01:06:26,959 --> 01:06:28,959
And I remember
that I was very angry

1510
01:06:29,041 --> 01:06:30,625
when I got the email because...

1511
01:06:32,041 --> 01:06:34,166
You know, he talked
about something

1512
01:06:34,250 --> 01:06:35,500
<i>that we often talked about</i>

1513
01:06:35,583 --> 01:06:36,851
<i>when once of us
would be in trouble.</i>

1514
01:06:36,875 --> 01:06:38,291
<i>You know, "We're foxhole guys."</i>

1515
01:06:38,375 --> 01:06:40,017
<i>That was something
that we would always say.</i>

1516
01:06:40,041 --> 01:06:41,184
<i>"I got your back.
I got your back.</i>

1517
01:06:41,208 --> 01:06:42,417
<i>You got my back."</i>

1518
01:06:42,500 --> 01:06:44,476
And I always would tell him,
like, "I'll be in your foxhole

1519
01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:46,059
"as long as you don't bring
a hand grenade

1520
01:06:46,083 --> 01:06:48,792
in the foxhole with you."

1521
01:06:48,875 --> 01:06:50,834
<i>I was very angry at that,</i>

1522
01:06:50,917 --> 01:06:52,667
<i>and that even pushed me</i>

1523
01:06:52,750 --> 01:06:55,125
<i>further away from him initially.</i>

1524
01:07:00,250 --> 01:07:02,166
<i>- So he's mad at me
that I ruined</i>

1525
01:07:02,250 --> 01:07:04,291
<i>what we had created.</i>

1526
01:07:04,375 --> 01:07:07,542
<i>He can be mad at me for that.
He should be.</i>

1527
01:07:07,625 --> 01:07:10,125
<i>But I didn't do it on purpose.</i>

1528
01:07:10,208 --> 01:07:13,834
I didn't set out to ruin,
you know, "Boomer and Carton."

1529
01:07:21,542 --> 01:07:24,625
<i>- He told me, "Nothing to this.</i>

1530
01:07:24,709 --> 01:07:26,208
<i>"It's a bunch of mistakes.</i>

1531
01:07:26,291 --> 01:07:27,601
"They're gonna get
to the bottom of it

1532
01:07:27,625 --> 01:07:28,768
"and then they're gonna just,

1533
01:07:28,792 --> 01:07:30,917
you know, drop any charges
against him."

1534
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,834
- And I pleaded not guilty
to the charges against me.

1535
01:07:33,917 --> 01:07:35,667
I did that for one reason:

1536
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:37,917
because I am
unequivocally not guilty

1537
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,500
of what I'm being charged with.

1538
01:07:39,583 --> 01:07:41,208
<i>- He took loans</i>

1539
01:07:41,291 --> 01:07:45,375
and did not
immediately purchase tickets

1540
01:07:45,458 --> 01:07:47,333
with those moneys,

1541
01:07:47,417 --> 01:07:51,041
but treated those moneys
as if they were fungible

1542
01:07:51,125 --> 01:07:53,667
and purchased tickets
at a later date.

1543
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:55,875
- If you are soliciting
investments from people

1544
01:07:55,959 --> 01:07:57,643
and you do something
other than what you say

1545
01:07:57,667 --> 01:07:59,041
you're going to do
with the money,

1546
01:07:59,125 --> 01:08:02,417
that is fraud.

1547
01:08:02,500 --> 01:08:04,041
<i>- Radio host Craig Carton.</i>

1548
01:08:04,125 --> 01:08:07,041
<i>This afternoon,
a jury convicted him.</i>

1549
01:08:07,125 --> 01:08:09,417
<i>Carton was accused
of swindling investors</i>

1550
01:08:09,500 --> 01:08:12,750
<i>in a ticket reselling business.</i>

1551
01:08:12,834 --> 01:08:14,142
<i>- When it finally came
to fruition</i>

1552
01:08:14,166 --> 01:08:17,291
<i>that he was found guilty
and there was no defense,</i>

1553
01:08:17,375 --> 01:08:18,518
he realized
that was the end of it

1554
01:08:18,542 --> 01:08:21,417
and that was the reality of it.

1555
01:08:21,500 --> 01:08:24,709
<i>- On the day of sentencing,
Carton was subdued.</i>

1556
01:08:24,792 --> 01:08:27,417
<i>You know, this is kinda
the walk of shame here.</i>

1557
01:08:27,500 --> 01:08:29,267
I think he was wearing a jacket
and even a tie.

1558
01:08:29,291 --> 01:08:30,959
I had never seen him
do that before.

1559
01:08:31,041 --> 01:08:33,375
He was like a chastised kid.

1560
01:08:33,458 --> 01:08:35,625
<i>He got up
and addressed the court</i>

1561
01:08:35,709 --> 01:08:36,750
<i>and delivered, you know,</i>

1562
01:08:36,834 --> 01:08:39,250
<i>an emotional,
soul-baring account</i>

1563
01:08:39,333 --> 01:08:41,875
<i>of his gambling addiction,
of his sexual abuse,</i>

1564
01:08:41,959 --> 01:08:44,417
<i>of his regret.</i>

1565
01:08:44,500 --> 01:08:45,417
His family was there.

1566
01:08:45,500 --> 01:08:47,125
You know, it was hard
to see the family.

1567
01:08:51,709 --> 01:08:55,792
- Judge McMahon sentenced Craig
to 3 1/2 years,

1568
01:08:55,875 --> 01:08:58,208
<i>and he has to pay restitution</i>

1569
01:08:58,291 --> 01:09:01,458
<i>back to the victims
in his criminal case.</i>

1570
01:09:01,542 --> 01:09:02,851
- The feeling you have
when you look

1571
01:09:02,875 --> 01:09:05,291
at Craig Carton's situation
is sadness,

1572
01:09:05,375 --> 01:09:06,792
because there are no winners.

1573
01:09:06,875 --> 01:09:08,333
There's nothing good that came

1574
01:09:08,417 --> 01:09:10,125
of the trouble
he got himself in.

1575
01:09:10,208 --> 01:09:12,667
<i>There was only losers.</i>

1576
01:09:12,750 --> 01:09:15,792
<i>- You look at the talent,</i>

1577
01:09:15,875 --> 01:09:19,291
the friendships, the lies,

1578
01:09:19,375 --> 01:09:21,083
and you just say to yourself,
"Why?

1579
01:09:21,166 --> 01:09:22,458
Why?"

1580
01:09:27,041 --> 01:09:30,625
<i>- All of a sudden, it's like,
"Wow, that ten years is gone."</i>

1581
01:09:30,709 --> 01:09:31,935
You know,
as fast as it happened,

1582
01:09:31,959 --> 01:09:33,125
that's how quick it ended.

1583
01:09:49,959 --> 01:09:52,667
<i>- Day 371.</i>

1584
01:09:52,750 --> 01:09:55,333
<i>In prison jargon,
I have two sleeps and a wake</i>

1585
01:09:55,417 --> 01:09:57,500
<i>before I leave this place.</i>

1586
01:09:57,583 --> 01:09:59,917
<i>For the first month,
my wife and family wrote me</i>

1587
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,667
<i>every single day.</i>

1588
01:10:01,750 --> 01:10:03,959
<i>I saved every one
of those letters.</i>

1589
01:10:04,041 --> 01:10:05,834
<i>They mean the world to me.</i>

1590
01:10:05,917 --> 01:10:08,333
<i>I've been away from them
for a year.</i>

1591
01:10:08,417 --> 01:10:09,542
<i>I'm going to work hard</i>

1592
01:10:09,625 --> 01:10:11,875
<i>to rebuild my relationship
with them</i>

1593
01:10:11,959 --> 01:10:15,875
<i>and everyone else in my life.</i>

1594
01:10:15,959 --> 01:10:17,291
<i>I'm excited and nervous.</i>

1595
01:10:17,375 --> 01:10:19,583
<i>Excited to leave
this place behind,</i>

1596
01:10:19,667 --> 01:10:22,959
<i>but nervous because I have
no idea what's waiting for me</i>

1597
01:10:23,041 --> 01:10:25,000
<i>beyond the gates.</i>

1598
01:10:25,083 --> 01:10:26,583
<i>I'm 51.</i>

1599
01:10:26,667 --> 01:10:27,875
<i>I had it all</i>

1600
01:10:27,959 --> 01:10:29,709
<i>and I lost it all,</i>

1601
01:10:29,792 --> 01:10:33,375
<i>and now I've gotta start
all over again.</i>

1602
01:10:50,625 --> 01:10:53,250
<i>- I see a number pop up
on my screen</i>

1603
01:10:53,333 --> 01:10:55,625
<i>and I hear
a very familiar voice saying,</i>

1604
01:10:55,709 --> 01:10:57,583
<i>"Hey, it's me. I'm out."</i>

1605
01:10:57,667 --> 01:10:59,208
<i>And it was Craigy.</i>

1606
01:10:59,291 --> 01:11:00,750
<i>He's paid his debt to society.</i>

1607
01:11:00,834 --> 01:11:02,625
<i>He did not get out
because of coronavirus.</i>

1608
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:04,109
<i>He got out
because of all the things</i>

1609
01:11:04,166 --> 01:11:05,959
<i>he was doing in prison</i>

1610
01:11:06,041 --> 01:11:09,792
<i>to get early release.</i>

1611
01:11:09,875 --> 01:11:12,917
<i>What I heard was a happy
and relieved Craig Carton.</i>

1612
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:14,583
<i>He was with
his family yesterday.</i>

1613
01:11:14,667 --> 01:11:16,792
<i>They all went to pick him up
at the penitentiary</i>

1614
01:11:16,875 --> 01:11:17,917
<i>and they brought him home,</i>

1615
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,917
<i>and now the real work begins
for him,</i>

1616
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:24,625
<i>and that's rebuilding his life.</i>

1617
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:25,851
<i>- There was a point
where I thought</i>

1618
01:11:25,875 --> 01:11:27,750
<i>this day was never gonna come.</i>

1619
01:11:27,834 --> 01:11:29,625
<i>Greatest moment I had
in over a year.</i>

1620
01:11:29,709 --> 01:11:32,417
<i>Just seeing my wife,
seeing my four kids,</i>

1621
01:11:32,500 --> 01:11:34,834
<i>seeing the smiles on their faces</i>

1622
01:11:34,917 --> 01:11:36,333
and the tears of joy

1623
01:11:36,417 --> 01:11:39,625
that their dad and husband
finally got out of prison.

1624
01:11:48,375 --> 01:11:49,518
<i>And now it's just about enjoying</i>

1625
01:11:49,542 --> 01:11:50,583
<i>all the little things.</i>

1626
01:11:50,667 --> 01:11:52,625
<i>Looking up in the sky,
seeing the sun, clouds,</i>

1627
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:53,875
<i>hearing birds chirp,</i>

1628
01:11:53,959 --> 01:11:55,667
<i>being able to walk
down the street,</i>

1629
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:58,667
<i>being able to work, being able
to spend time with my family,</i>

1630
01:11:58,750 --> 01:12:00,166
and just having my freedom back,

1631
01:12:00,250 --> 01:12:03,333
which is something, for sure,
I took for granted.

1632
01:12:08,208 --> 01:12:10,458
<i>Boomer was the very first
person I called,</i>

1633
01:12:10,542 --> 01:12:13,291
and I probably got to him
about 27 minutes after

1634
01:12:13,375 --> 01:12:15,125
I actually walked out of prison.

1635
01:12:15,208 --> 01:12:17,834
<i>It was important that he be
the first person I called.</i>

1636
01:12:17,917 --> 01:12:20,625
<i>My relationship with him,
it's had its ups and downs,</i>

1637
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:24,500
<i>but all the downs were
inflicted by my actions.</i>

1638
01:12:24,583 --> 01:12:25,834
So I'm really happy to say

1639
01:12:25,917 --> 01:12:28,875
that Boomer and I are
in a very good place now.

1640
01:12:28,959 --> 01:12:32,333
Closer than we've been
in a long time.

1641
01:12:32,417 --> 01:12:33,709
<i>He was mad at me,</i>

1642
01:12:33,792 --> 01:12:35,375
<i>and he had every right
to be mad at me,</i>

1643
01:12:35,458 --> 01:12:36,792
<i>and the other guys on the show,</i>

1644
01:12:36,875 --> 01:12:39,875
<i>they had every right
to be angry with me too.</i>

1645
01:12:39,959 --> 01:12:42,041
<i>I would love to just look
in that camera</i>

1646
01:12:42,125 --> 01:12:43,893
<i>and one day look them all
in the eye and just say</i>

1647
01:12:43,917 --> 01:12:45,166
I'm sorry for being selfish

1648
01:12:45,250 --> 01:12:49,834
and into my own shit
way too much

1649
01:12:49,917 --> 01:12:53,417
and not taking account
of, you know, their wellbeing.

1650
01:12:55,417 --> 01:12:57,959
<i>And I also have to be upfront
with who I am,</i>

1651
01:12:58,041 --> 01:12:59,917
and I have to do that 24/7.

1652
01:13:00,041 --> 01:13:01,875
That can never take a day off.

1653
01:13:01,959 --> 01:13:03,750
<i>The pledge I made to the people</i>

1654
01:13:03,834 --> 01:13:05,709
<i>who did stay with me
through prison</i>

1655
01:13:05,792 --> 01:13:07,834
<i>is that I'll do that.</i>

1656
01:13:07,917 --> 01:13:10,041
<i>They deserve me
to be straight with them.</i>

1657
01:13:10,125 --> 01:13:11,542
<i>Honest with them.</i>

1658
01:13:11,625 --> 01:13:13,083
And if I ever go back
on that pledge,

1659
01:13:13,166 --> 01:13:16,291
I don't deserve those people
to be there for me.

1660
01:13:17,792 --> 01:13:19,875
<i>If I falter, I lose everything.</i>

1661
01:13:19,959 --> 01:13:22,166
<i>If I make those mistakes again,</i>

1662
01:13:22,250 --> 01:13:24,041
<i>I lose my family.</i>

1663
01:13:24,125 --> 01:13:26,375
There's no,
"Hey, you get another shot.

1664
01:13:26,458 --> 01:13:28,500
Hey, we're gonna sit
through this crap"... no.

1665
01:13:28,583 --> 01:13:30,583
No, no, no.

1666
01:13:30,667 --> 01:13:34,125
If I go down
the rabbit hole again,

1667
01:13:34,208 --> 01:13:35,583
it's over.

1668
01:13:41,792 --> 01:13:43,417
<i>What's important
that it comes through</i>

1669
01:13:43,500 --> 01:13:46,917
<i>that I recognize
why I went to prison.</i>

1670
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,041
I take full ownership
of every bad decision I made.

1671
01:13:53,125 --> 01:13:54,125
Every one of 'em.

1672
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,709
No one forced me
to do anything I did.

1673
01:13:59,792 --> 01:14:02,667
I was an adult
in clear control of my actions.

1674
01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:09,041
<i>Going to prison
is a lifechanging experience,</i>

1675
01:14:09,125 --> 01:14:10,917
<i>and I emerged a better person.</i>

1676
01:14:14,500 --> 01:14:16,291
<i>What I learned about myself,</i>

1677
01:14:16,375 --> 01:14:18,959
<i>other than the fact
that I'm a compulsive gambler,</i>

1678
01:14:19,041 --> 01:14:22,291
is that I'm a lousy businessman

1679
01:14:22,375 --> 01:14:24,208
<i>and I'm good at one thing,</i>

1680
01:14:24,291 --> 01:14:26,750
<i>and that's hosting a radio show.</i>

1681
01:14:26,834 --> 01:14:29,208
<i>When you come to terms
with what you're good at</i>

1682
01:14:29,291 --> 01:14:30,625
<i>and what you're not good at</i>

1683
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:33,125
and can be honest about that,

1684
01:14:33,208 --> 01:14:35,542
man, that's liberating.

1685
01:14:37,583 --> 01:14:40,000
<i>I've spent every day
for the last year</i>

1686
01:14:40,083 --> 01:14:42,917
<i>dreaming of the opportunity
to be back on the radio,</i>

1687
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:46,250
and I can't wait
just to flick a button

1688
01:14:46,333 --> 01:14:50,000
and welcome an audience
into my world again.

1689
01:16:33,834 --> 01:16:36,834
<i>This has been
a presentation of HBO Sports.</i>

1690
01:16:36,858 --> 01:16:39,858
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