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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:35,000 Farid Morocco 2 00:00:11,712 --> 00:00:13,381 A grisly discovery 3 00:00:13,414 --> 00:00:16,417 in the town of Sangre de Cristo this morning and a number 4 00:00:16,450 --> 00:00:19,420 of SDC residents are reportedly still missing, 5 00:00:19,453 --> 00:00:21,355 because as one police spokesman put it, 6 00:00:21,389 --> 00:00:23,257 the whole town is a crime scene. 7 00:00:23,291 --> 00:00:26,160 You spend 30 years patrolling this border, 8 00:00:26,194 --> 00:00:27,628 you're gonna see some horrible things. 9 00:00:27,661 --> 00:00:29,997 We all thought it was a mass murder case, you know, 10 00:00:30,030 --> 00:00:31,132 a serial killer. 11 00:00:31,165 --> 00:00:33,134 Our thoughts and prayers go out 12 00:00:33,167 --> 00:00:36,537 to the families of the Sangre de Cristo victims. 13 00:00:36,570 --> 00:00:39,006 A person of interest was detained. 14 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:40,874 We found the suspect covered in blood. 15 00:00:40,908 --> 00:00:43,344 38-Year-old Francisco Salazar, 16 00:00:43,377 --> 00:00:46,780 an illegal immigrant, has been charged with over two dozen 17 00:00:46,814 --> 00:00:48,182 counts of first degree murder. 18 00:00:48,216 --> 00:00:50,818 Everybody seems so shocked about this. 19 00:00:50,851 --> 00:00:55,223 Not me, because I know what these people are capable of. 20 00:00:55,256 --> 00:00:58,592 If this guy actually killed the whole fucking town, 21 00:00:58,626 --> 00:01:00,161 kill him. 22 00:01:00,194 --> 00:01:01,462 Fry his ass. 23 00:01:01,495 --> 00:01:03,131 A serial killer, I mean, that was pretty 24 00:01:03,164 --> 00:01:04,598 much the general consensus. 25 00:01:04,632 --> 00:01:06,800 Francisco Salazar remains jailed 26 00:01:06,834 --> 00:01:11,038 under high security in Hinzman. 27 00:01:11,071 --> 00:01:12,940 But then the photos emerged. 28 00:01:12,973 --> 00:01:15,343 It changed-- it change everything 29 00:01:15,376 --> 00:01:19,313 that we thought about. 30 00:01:19,347 --> 00:01:22,516 I don't understand. 31 00:01:22,550 --> 00:01:24,218 Why did you keep taking pictures? 32 00:01:34,595 --> 00:01:36,730 Do you own a gun? 33 00:01:36,764 --> 00:01:40,301 I do, and ever since I've seen these photographs 34 00:01:40,334 --> 00:01:42,303 I've been sleeping with it under my pillow. 35 00:02:03,524 --> 00:02:06,126 Although the area has been cordoned off 36 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:07,828 by police, sources say authorities 37 00:02:07,861 --> 00:02:10,731 have been unable to quantify a specific body count. 38 00:02:14,602 --> 00:02:17,838 In what's being described as a likely mass murder scene, 39 00:02:17,871 --> 00:02:21,209 police recovered the bodies of over a dozen victims 40 00:02:21,242 --> 00:02:22,876 in various sites throughout the town. 41 00:02:28,682 --> 00:02:30,984 Police are combing the town's two square miles 42 00:02:31,018 --> 00:02:34,388 as they begin to unearth more clues to this shocking tragedy. 43 00:02:34,422 --> 00:02:40,228 We've got a body here. 44 00:02:40,261 --> 00:02:41,795 The body count in what police are 45 00:02:41,829 --> 00:02:45,733 calling the Sangre de Cristo Massacre has risen to over 20. 46 00:02:45,766 --> 00:02:48,736 Residents of nearby Hinzman and the border communities 47 00:02:48,769 --> 00:02:52,105 are encouraged to avoid the general SDC area 48 00:02:52,139 --> 00:02:54,242 and to report any tips or suspicious 49 00:02:54,275 --> 00:02:56,176 behavior to the authorities. 50 00:03:45,693 --> 00:03:49,263 In all my years of law enforcement, 51 00:03:49,297 --> 00:03:54,234 I've never come across anything like this. 52 00:03:54,268 --> 00:03:57,338 God abandoned Sangre de Cristo. 53 00:03:57,371 --> 00:03:58,439 There's nothing left. 54 00:04:05,178 --> 00:04:08,682 It still amazes me that the largest single-day homicide 55 00:04:08,716 --> 00:04:12,085 in history of the state of Arizona got no attention, 56 00:04:12,119 --> 00:04:15,623 zero media coverage. 57 00:04:15,656 --> 00:04:18,258 It's hard to imagine the scale of the carnage. 58 00:04:18,292 --> 00:04:20,494 Most bodies were only partial remains, 59 00:04:20,528 --> 00:04:23,797 scraps of bloody clothing, limbs in the street. 60 00:04:23,831 --> 00:04:26,334 Some bloody trails ran out to a quarter mile 61 00:04:26,367 --> 00:04:28,736 as if the bodies had been dragged. 62 00:04:28,769 --> 00:04:31,104 Other trails veered out into the surrounding deserts 63 00:04:31,138 --> 00:04:33,073 and just disappeared. 64 00:04:33,106 --> 00:04:39,279 All of them-- men, women, children-- gone in one night. 65 00:04:42,082 --> 00:04:44,151 I've been a writer since 1995. 66 00:04:44,184 --> 00:04:46,019 I've written five different books. 67 00:04:46,053 --> 00:04:48,789 I worked for a couple of years as an investigative reporter 68 00:04:48,822 --> 00:04:50,123 in Los Angeles. 69 00:04:50,157 --> 00:04:51,792 We covered all the things that "LA Times" didn't cover. 70 00:04:51,825 --> 00:04:53,694 Every place is known for something. 71 00:04:53,727 --> 00:04:58,732 South Arizona, the Vanishing Capital of the United States. 72 00:05:04,304 --> 00:05:05,506 It's true. 73 00:05:05,539 --> 00:05:06,674 There's been more than a few that have 74 00:05:06,707 --> 00:05:08,008 gone missing from the area. 75 00:05:08,041 --> 00:05:10,644 But look what's going on-- drug trafficking, 76 00:05:10,678 --> 00:05:15,383 human trafficking, smuggling, weapons, gang activity. 77 00:05:15,416 --> 00:05:17,217 There's no place that has more crime 78 00:05:17,250 --> 00:05:18,719 than here in the borderlands. 79 00:05:24,224 --> 00:05:27,995 You lose one person, that's a tragedy. 80 00:05:28,028 --> 00:05:32,800 To see a whole town wiped out-- 81 00:05:37,204 --> 00:05:38,138 We got lucky. 82 00:05:38,171 --> 00:05:39,473 It was their town, not ours. 83 00:05:39,507 --> 00:05:41,942 It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. 84 00:05:41,975 --> 00:05:43,310 Wake up. Listen to me. 85 00:05:43,343 --> 00:05:45,145 I've been telling you this for years, 86 00:05:45,178 --> 00:05:46,547 but you've ignored me up to now. 87 00:05:46,580 --> 00:05:49,049 Well, I'm telling you, you can't ignore me anymore. 88 00:05:49,082 --> 00:05:50,851 A person of interest 89 00:05:50,884 --> 00:05:53,821 was detained as he attempted to flee across the border. 90 00:05:53,854 --> 00:05:57,357 He is reportedly a Latino man in his 30s 91 00:05:57,391 --> 00:05:59,527 who was employed at Sangre de Cristo Ranch 92 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,862 at the time of the murders. 93 00:06:01,895 --> 00:06:06,233 Well, you know, I've seen 40 years of crime and violence. 94 00:06:06,266 --> 00:06:14,141 The only man that ever scared me was Francisco Salazar. 95 00:06:14,174 --> 00:06:16,677 Francisco Salazar was an illegal that had been living 96 00:06:16,710 --> 00:06:18,779 in Sangre de Cristo for seven years 97 00:06:18,812 --> 00:06:21,415 after jumping the border from the Nogales, Mexico, which made 98 00:06:21,449 --> 00:06:23,183 him a pretty convenient fit. 99 00:06:23,216 --> 00:06:26,454 Even with all the things that go on around here, 100 00:06:26,487 --> 00:06:28,656 you never expect to see something like this. 101 00:06:28,689 --> 00:06:30,991 He was raving when we caught him. 102 00:06:31,024 --> 00:06:33,627 He was raving when we put him in that jail cell. 103 00:06:33,661 --> 00:06:36,497 Once he was in there, he didn't say too much. 104 00:06:36,530 --> 00:06:39,433 23 hours after they closed Sangre de Cristo down, 105 00:06:39,467 --> 00:06:41,368 Salazar staggered to desert Highway 106 00:06:41,401 --> 00:06:45,405 67, 12 miles east of SDC, and collapsed 107 00:06:45,439 --> 00:06:48,609 at the side of the road. 108 00:06:48,642 --> 00:06:51,745 The only truck to stop was an independent rig 109 00:06:51,779 --> 00:06:56,383 co-owned by Mario Schatzker Rio, who had just got his license. 110 00:06:56,416 --> 00:06:59,853 He dragged Salazar into the cab, turned around, 111 00:06:59,887 --> 00:07:01,555 and drove him west to the nearest town 112 00:07:01,589 --> 00:07:03,757 with a hospital, Hinzman. 113 00:07:03,791 --> 00:07:07,695 The hospital contacted the cops. 114 00:07:07,728 --> 00:07:08,829 How are you doing? 115 00:07:08,862 --> 00:07:10,063 - Oh, good. 116 00:07:10,097 --> 00:07:11,499 How's Brad been? 117 00:07:11,532 --> 00:07:12,933 John Parano understands his people, 118 00:07:12,966 --> 00:07:15,402 just like his father-- a little comforting, 119 00:07:15,435 --> 00:07:22,576 a wink, a little bullying, a big hat, toothpick, his stories. 120 00:07:22,610 --> 00:07:24,077 It's kind of a big show. 121 00:07:24,111 --> 00:07:28,115 He never misses an opportunity to press his case, 122 00:07:28,148 --> 00:07:30,884 even if it is some cheesy public access piece. 123 00:07:38,892 --> 00:07:42,930 I was born and raised right here in Hinzman. 124 00:07:42,963 --> 00:07:46,099 I've been elected Sheriff of Hinzman County 125 00:07:46,133 --> 00:07:49,002 for seven consecutive terms. 126 00:07:49,036 --> 00:07:52,706 Before that, I was a Deputy Sheriff for 10 years. 127 00:07:52,740 --> 00:07:57,477 I've devoted my entire life to the good people of this area. 128 00:08:01,749 --> 00:08:05,586 Sheriff, how would you profile Francisco Salazar? 129 00:08:05,619 --> 00:08:10,190 If there's ever a checklist for a serial killer, 130 00:08:10,223 --> 00:08:13,193 Salazar would check every box. 131 00:08:13,226 --> 00:08:14,762 He was a loner. 132 00:08:14,795 --> 00:08:17,731 He came from a low-class background. 133 00:08:17,765 --> 00:08:20,668 He had anger issues. 134 00:08:20,701 --> 00:08:24,304 His father abandoned him at an early age. 135 00:08:24,337 --> 00:08:28,275 You know, he was a drifter. 136 00:08:28,308 --> 00:08:30,811 And I actually worked with him for a little while. 137 00:08:30,844 --> 00:08:34,347 We were part of a re-roofing crew at the pharmacy. 138 00:08:34,381 --> 00:08:36,183 He was one quiet dude. 139 00:08:36,216 --> 00:08:39,620 I mean, my friend dropped his sandwich at lunch. 140 00:08:39,653 --> 00:08:41,955 Salazar takes a fucking picture of it. 141 00:08:41,989 --> 00:08:45,759 They found dead corpses of little kids out in the desert. 142 00:08:45,793 --> 00:08:47,995 A lot of folks couldn't sleep at night. 143 00:08:48,028 --> 00:08:50,463 Was this the start of something bigger? 144 00:08:50,497 --> 00:08:53,366 Salazar, he's-- he's La Raza. 145 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,869 So were the rest of his thugs. 146 00:08:55,903 --> 00:09:01,742 Coming here to wipe us off the map, like he did SDC. 147 00:09:01,775 --> 00:09:04,277 He did odd jobs around town. 148 00:09:04,311 --> 00:09:08,481 He painted houses of some of his eventual victims. 149 00:09:08,515 --> 00:09:11,885 Judge Jack Hudson has instituted a full media ban 150 00:09:11,919 --> 00:09:14,454 with no cameras permitted in the courtroom 151 00:09:14,487 --> 00:09:16,857 and no media personnel allowed within 200 152 00:09:16,890 --> 00:09:20,794 yards of the courthouse. 153 00:09:20,828 --> 00:09:22,996 This Lawrence Ross guy, you know, 154 00:09:23,030 --> 00:09:25,666 he came here with the wrong idea. 155 00:09:25,699 --> 00:09:27,067 Everybody saw where it was going, 156 00:09:27,100 --> 00:09:30,437 so of course there was nothing but closed doors. 157 00:09:30,470 --> 00:09:31,905 You know, sorry. 158 00:09:31,939 --> 00:09:33,106 Look. 159 00:09:33,140 --> 00:09:37,010 We did not arrest Salazar because he was Mexican. 160 00:09:37,044 --> 00:09:39,680 We arrested Salazar because he was 161 00:09:39,713 --> 00:09:44,952 covered with 15 types of blood. 162 00:09:44,985 --> 00:09:47,320 AM 970, Hinzman Arizona. 163 00:09:47,354 --> 00:09:49,723 This is "The Gus Greer Show," and I'm Gus Greer. 164 00:09:49,757 --> 00:09:51,591 And for the next two hours, you're 165 00:09:51,625 --> 00:09:53,126 going to get the most valuable thing 166 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,563 that you've ever had in your life-- an education from me. 167 00:09:56,596 --> 00:10:00,200 The Mexican, the cholo, La Raza. 168 00:10:00,233 --> 00:10:03,871 It's a culture that celebrates violence. 169 00:10:03,904 --> 00:10:06,573 They glorify death because they have nothing 170 00:10:06,606 --> 00:10:09,710 else to look forward to. 171 00:10:09,743 --> 00:10:11,411 I can't say the political climate 172 00:10:11,444 --> 00:10:14,982 at the time had anything to do with the way he was treated. 173 00:10:21,554 --> 00:10:26,093 I absolutely believe that an Hispanic man who is also 174 00:10:26,126 --> 00:10:29,897 an illegal immigrant can get a fair trial 175 00:10:29,930 --> 00:10:32,265 in the state of Arizona. 176 00:10:32,299 --> 00:10:34,034 Let's not forget-- Arizona 177 00:10:34,067 --> 00:10:36,737 embraced the KKK after Reconstruction. 178 00:10:36,770 --> 00:10:38,338 When we're talking about lynchings, 179 00:10:38,371 --> 00:10:41,875 Arizona had almost as many as anywhere else in the country. 180 00:10:41,909 --> 00:10:47,214 Different state, different era, same old monster-- 181 00:10:47,247 --> 00:10:51,752 controlling the power structure by day, hiding behind masks 182 00:10:51,785 --> 00:10:55,856 at night. 183 00:10:55,889 --> 00:10:58,625 Make no mistake, we are at war. 184 00:10:58,658 --> 00:11:00,060 You think the government's 185 00:11:00,093 --> 00:11:01,661 going to come in and save you? 186 00:11:01,695 --> 00:11:04,231 You think they're going to start putting troops on the border? 187 00:11:04,264 --> 00:11:06,666 Action has consequences, ladies and gentlemen. 188 00:11:06,700 --> 00:11:09,703 And inaction has more serious consequences. 189 00:11:09,737 --> 00:11:11,271 You have a choice to make. 190 00:11:11,304 --> 00:11:14,908 Are you going to sit there and roll over, and let this tide 191 00:11:14,942 --> 00:11:17,410 roll over you and destroy you and your family, 192 00:11:17,444 --> 00:11:19,146 or are you going to stand up? 193 00:11:19,179 --> 00:11:20,948 Are you willing to fight for what's right 194 00:11:20,981 --> 00:11:25,352 and for what's yours? 195 00:11:25,385 --> 00:11:27,821 When you're talking about the history of this country, 196 00:11:27,855 --> 00:11:29,522 I mean, it's an indisputable fact-- 197 00:11:29,556 --> 00:11:31,892 there are very few minorities that have gotten a fair 198 00:11:31,925 --> 00:11:34,461 trial in an all-white jury. 199 00:11:34,494 --> 00:11:36,997 They didn't need a trial. 200 00:11:37,030 --> 00:11:38,832 Public had already tried and convicted him 201 00:11:38,866 --> 00:11:40,934 before it ever even started. 202 00:11:40,968 --> 00:11:43,670 What do you get when you cross an illegal with an octopus? 203 00:11:43,703 --> 00:11:45,005 What? 204 00:11:45,038 --> 00:11:46,539 I don't know, but it sure can pick lettuce. 205 00:11:46,573 --> 00:11:47,775 A lot of lettuce. 206 00:11:47,808 --> 00:11:49,076 These damn illegal Mexicans come over 207 00:11:49,109 --> 00:11:50,844 here and do all their drugs. 208 00:11:50,878 --> 00:11:52,880 And he goes, that's not ours. 209 00:11:52,913 --> 00:11:54,481 There's all their killings and stuff. 210 00:11:54,514 --> 00:11:57,050 You know, if you go out there like they did in the old days 211 00:11:57,084 --> 00:11:58,752 in the John Wayne movies and hang one 212 00:11:58,786 --> 00:12:00,153 where everybody can watch, then one 213 00:12:00,187 --> 00:12:01,721 day, they gonna stop doing it. 214 00:12:52,139 --> 00:12:53,640 The attorney they 215 00:12:53,673 --> 00:12:55,442 gave him was on his third case. 216 00:12:55,475 --> 00:12:57,811 Before that, he handled some counterfeiter 217 00:12:57,845 --> 00:13:00,814 and some petty thief. 218 00:13:00,848 --> 00:13:02,649 Salazar was his third case. 219 00:13:02,682 --> 00:13:04,717 I did my due diligence. 220 00:13:04,751 --> 00:13:08,822 I'm sworn to defend my client to the best of my ability. 221 00:13:08,856 --> 00:13:13,526 I think that I did that. 222 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:15,963 I sat in court. 223 00:13:15,996 --> 00:13:18,198 I expected to see a monster. 224 00:13:18,231 --> 00:13:19,466 I seen him. 225 00:13:19,499 --> 00:13:23,036 He was just slumped over, quiet, with a blank stare. 226 00:13:23,070 --> 00:13:25,638 There was no one else left alive to question. 227 00:13:25,672 --> 00:13:27,074 He was the only survivor. 228 00:13:27,107 --> 00:13:29,809 But Salazar never said a single word during the trial. 229 00:13:38,751 --> 00:13:43,423 Teeth marks-- that's something I'm not going to get into. 230 00:13:47,427 --> 00:13:48,328 OK. 231 00:13:48,361 --> 00:13:49,696 How's it going, Bob? 232 00:13:49,729 --> 00:13:54,001 Day three of the trial, and I'm already sick to my stomach. 233 00:13:54,034 --> 00:13:57,137 I never want to hear another word about the freak 234 00:13:57,170 --> 00:13:58,605 eating the people he murdered. 235 00:13:58,638 --> 00:14:01,208 I basically believe that if he killed these people, 236 00:14:01,241 --> 00:14:02,709 I believe he should get the death 237 00:14:02,742 --> 00:14:05,345 penalty for doing what he did. 238 00:14:05,378 --> 00:14:06,413 He's an outcast. 239 00:14:06,446 --> 00:14:07,814 He should be put to death on the spot. 240 00:14:07,847 --> 00:14:09,349 Lethal injection. 241 00:14:09,382 --> 00:14:10,650 Fry his ass. 242 00:14:10,683 --> 00:14:13,686 And that was the level of analysis in the courtroom-- 243 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,024 a one-man serial killer army. 244 00:14:17,057 --> 00:14:18,658 They could only do forensics on seven 245 00:14:18,691 --> 00:14:22,562 partial corpses that were intact enough to be tagged and IDed. 246 00:14:22,595 --> 00:14:25,632 When pressed about identifying the other remains, 247 00:14:25,665 --> 00:14:29,602 the coroner said on the stand, how do you run DNA tests on 20 248 00:14:29,636 --> 00:14:31,304 square blocks of bloody sand? 249 00:14:45,752 --> 00:14:50,590 They didn't notice that the teeth marks on the victims 250 00:14:50,623 --> 00:14:53,760 didn't match Francisco's teeth. 251 00:14:53,793 --> 00:14:56,696 And yet, Francisco has bite marks. 252 00:14:56,729 --> 00:14:58,131 They match the victims. 253 00:14:58,165 --> 00:14:59,366 How can you botch that? 254 00:15:09,276 --> 00:15:11,111 During the first trial, I felt like I needed 255 00:15:11,144 --> 00:15:13,480 to seek someone out who understood the local culture 256 00:15:13,513 --> 00:15:15,282 of the border. 257 00:15:15,315 --> 00:15:18,318 Carlos Olivares, second-generation border 258 00:15:18,351 --> 00:15:21,955 patrol agent, following in the footsteps of his father. 259 00:15:21,989 --> 00:15:23,723 When you grow up in this area, 260 00:15:23,756 --> 00:15:26,459 you realize that there's certain things you need to do. 261 00:15:26,493 --> 00:15:29,796 There's just a protection that needs to happen. 262 00:15:29,829 --> 00:15:32,299 Spend 30 years patrolling this border, 263 00:15:32,332 --> 00:15:34,934 you're going to see some horrible things. 264 00:15:34,968 --> 00:15:38,238 We find bodies of dead women and children, 265 00:15:38,271 --> 00:15:41,641 dehydrated bodies, sometimes just 10 feet from a hidden 266 00:15:41,674 --> 00:15:43,176 stash of water bottles. 267 00:15:43,210 --> 00:15:46,679 Lately, these last few years on patrol, 268 00:15:46,713 --> 00:15:49,416 I started seeing some things that 269 00:15:49,449 --> 00:15:52,352 are getting harder to explain-- bodies that 270 00:15:52,385 --> 00:15:55,822 weren't just rotted by the sun. 271 00:15:55,855 --> 00:16:02,195 They had been chewed-- not by mountain lions or buzzards. 272 00:16:02,229 --> 00:16:05,565 But nobody in my line of work talked about it. 273 00:16:21,681 --> 00:16:23,416 Whatever happened in Sangre 274 00:16:23,450 --> 00:16:26,586 de Cristo couldn't have been the work of just one man. 275 00:16:26,619 --> 00:16:28,621 I didn't need a law degree to know that. 276 00:16:49,542 --> 00:16:53,380 Based on the overwhelming amount of evidence given, 277 00:16:53,413 --> 00:16:56,183 we convicted Mr. Salazar, as I remember, 278 00:16:56,216 --> 00:17:00,753 in about a half hour, which was longer than it 279 00:17:00,787 --> 00:17:01,754 probably should've taken. 280 00:17:12,265 --> 00:17:14,534 Salazar was the-- a easy target. 281 00:17:14,567 --> 00:17:17,637 He was a person easy to dehumanize. 282 00:17:17,670 --> 00:17:20,273 To the people in Hinzman, he was just some guy 283 00:17:20,307 --> 00:17:21,441 who went from job to job. 284 00:17:21,474 --> 00:17:23,676 He would work on construction jobs. 285 00:17:23,710 --> 00:17:25,212 He would do anything. 286 00:17:25,245 --> 00:17:27,314 He's minimized as being just sort of drifter-- you know, 287 00:17:27,347 --> 00:17:31,218 some cash-and-carry guy who you found on the end of a block, 288 00:17:31,251 --> 00:17:33,386 and you put in the back of a pickup, do your work, 289 00:17:33,420 --> 00:17:35,021 and you forgot about him five minutes 290 00:17:35,054 --> 00:17:37,357 after you dropped him back off. 291 00:17:37,390 --> 00:17:39,892 During the first trial, I knew that Salazar 292 00:17:39,926 --> 00:17:44,164 had been interviewed on camera only once, on the evening 293 00:17:44,197 --> 00:17:46,299 he'd been taken into custody. 294 00:17:46,333 --> 00:17:49,502 I spent 13 months filling out Freedom 295 00:17:49,536 --> 00:17:51,938 of Information Act requests at both the state 296 00:17:51,971 --> 00:17:54,274 and federal level-- nothing. 297 00:17:54,307 --> 00:17:57,043 The Arizona Open Meetings Act? 298 00:17:57,076 --> 00:17:58,811 I got nothing. 299 00:17:58,845 --> 00:18:01,981 Until I got this video. 300 00:18:02,014 --> 00:18:06,686 Francisco interviews. 301 00:18:06,719 --> 00:18:09,522 You said that they were people that you knew, 302 00:18:09,556 --> 00:18:15,562 but something wasn't right about them. 303 00:18:15,595 --> 00:18:22,034 They were the same people, but they were dead. 304 00:18:22,068 --> 00:18:24,504 Why didn't you hear about this tape before? 305 00:18:24,537 --> 00:18:25,805 The tape was never 306 00:18:25,838 --> 00:18:27,574 entered into evidence in the first trial, 307 00:18:27,607 --> 00:18:29,342 and it was barred in the second one. 308 00:18:29,376 --> 00:18:31,711 You didn't give serious thought to using 309 00:18:31,744 --> 00:18:33,480 the video in his defense? 310 00:18:33,513 --> 00:18:34,847 Have you seen the video? 311 00:18:34,881 --> 00:18:36,349 It's not an insanity defense. 312 00:18:36,383 --> 00:18:38,518 It's-- it's a suicide note. 313 00:18:38,551 --> 00:18:41,421 It sounds like the ramblings of a crazy man, sure. 314 00:18:41,454 --> 00:18:43,990 But given the evidence, his story 315 00:18:44,023 --> 00:18:45,358 actually made no more or less sense 316 00:18:45,392 --> 00:18:46,559 than the official version. 317 00:18:52,732 --> 00:18:55,235 The administrative staff were very concerned 318 00:18:55,268 --> 00:18:58,605 about him-- me interviewing him not 319 00:18:58,638 --> 00:19:01,708 being shackled to the chair, which is a typical thing. 320 00:19:01,741 --> 00:19:04,811 I wanted to get rid of as many barriers as I could, 321 00:19:04,844 --> 00:19:07,514 because I could tell that he was pretty closed off emotionally, 322 00:19:07,547 --> 00:19:10,149 and he was kind of in a shell in his own head, 323 00:19:10,183 --> 00:19:15,655 and very, very, very scared. 324 00:19:15,688 --> 00:19:19,892 I said, listen, just let him come in and sit with me, 325 00:19:19,926 --> 00:19:21,228 because he was quiet. 326 00:19:21,261 --> 00:19:23,095 And you know, you guys are outside the door. 327 00:19:23,129 --> 00:19:24,331 You've got cameras in here. 328 00:19:24,364 --> 00:19:27,267 And-- and you have guns outside there. 329 00:19:27,300 --> 00:19:29,001 And whatever it is that you need to do to bust 330 00:19:29,035 --> 00:19:31,338 in and-- and you know, what's he gonna-- you know, 331 00:19:31,371 --> 00:19:32,372 what else could he do? 332 00:19:32,405 --> 00:19:33,406 What's your name? 333 00:19:41,281 --> 00:19:44,517 It took quite a while for him to even start 334 00:19:44,551 --> 00:19:47,520 to answer any questions-- his name, or where he grew up, 335 00:19:47,554 --> 00:19:52,359 or basic just, you know, assessment stuff that we do. 336 00:20:01,534 --> 00:20:03,303 And I was wondering if, maybe, he 337 00:20:03,336 --> 00:20:06,239 was regressing back into some childhood 338 00:20:06,273 --> 00:20:08,775 memory or feeling or something. 339 00:20:16,015 --> 00:20:18,751 The level of trauma that Francisco has seemed 340 00:20:18,785 --> 00:20:21,554 to experience in his life could easily 341 00:20:21,588 --> 00:20:25,858 be compared to somebody who has come back from being 342 00:20:25,892 --> 00:20:29,629 in a combat situation. 343 00:20:29,662 --> 00:20:31,298 It doesn't matter what you do to me. 344 00:20:31,331 --> 00:20:34,166 They're still out there. 345 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:39,506 Who-- who's out there? 346 00:20:39,539 --> 00:20:44,311 At least they can't get me in here. 347 00:20:44,344 --> 00:20:46,212 This is a guy who was facing 348 00:20:46,245 --> 00:20:50,350 death, the horrors of jail. 349 00:20:50,383 --> 00:20:53,252 Yet somehow he feels safer on the inside 350 00:20:53,286 --> 00:20:55,822 than he does out here. 351 00:20:55,855 --> 00:20:59,559 In my professional opinion, even though his story sounds 352 00:20:59,592 --> 00:21:02,829 like it might be a little bit, you know, crazy and out there, 353 00:21:02,862 --> 00:21:05,598 I did not find anything about him that was psychotic-- 354 00:21:05,632 --> 00:21:08,935 his behavior, anything he said to me. 355 00:21:08,968 --> 00:21:11,971 He was, you know, in layman's term, completely sane. 356 00:21:18,511 --> 00:21:22,148 But it didn't make any sense, which is why I 357 00:21:22,181 --> 00:21:24,884 tried for the insanity defense. 358 00:21:24,917 --> 00:21:26,853 He looked me directly in the eye, 359 00:21:26,886 --> 00:21:31,658 and he was very specific about what he was saying. 360 00:21:31,691 --> 00:21:35,395 And-- and he never changed his story. 361 00:21:35,428 --> 00:21:38,164 Salazar wasn't crazy or-- or at least 362 00:21:38,197 --> 00:21:40,367 not crazy all by himself. 363 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,602 Crazy was what he saw that night. 364 00:21:42,635 --> 00:21:46,573 Crazy was seeing everyone he knew massacred. 365 00:21:46,606 --> 00:21:50,343 Some of them are bloody, with blood everywhere. 366 00:21:55,715 --> 00:21:58,385 It's the ravings of a madman, right? 367 00:21:58,418 --> 00:22:02,088 But do you know what was really crazy? 368 00:22:02,121 --> 00:22:05,358 I had to get help. 369 00:22:05,392 --> 00:22:07,126 I took my camera-- 370 00:22:07,159 --> 00:22:10,597 The arrest report listed the items on Salazar's person 371 00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:13,433 when he was dropped off by the truck driver. 372 00:22:13,466 --> 00:22:18,104 One SLR 35 millimeter camera fitted with a 70 to 200 373 00:22:18,137 --> 00:22:23,676 millimeter lens and a flash unit. 374 00:22:23,710 --> 00:22:26,345 Everyone around here knew he was a photographer. 375 00:22:26,379 --> 00:22:28,114 He took pictures of everybody. 376 00:22:34,086 --> 00:22:35,455 It was almost involuntary. 377 00:22:35,488 --> 00:22:37,824 He just saw something, and he took a picture of it. 378 00:22:37,857 --> 00:22:40,960 And he kind of, you know, painted a history of his life 379 00:22:40,993 --> 00:22:41,894 with it. 380 00:22:41,928 --> 00:22:43,530 Salazar was a lifelong Catholic. 381 00:22:43,563 --> 00:22:45,998 He believed in the power of the resurrection. 382 00:23:01,481 --> 00:23:04,717 He spent seven years in SDC, 383 00:23:04,751 --> 00:23:08,988 taking pictures of dead things in a dead town. 384 00:23:14,193 --> 00:23:16,629 Being an illegal, strike one. 385 00:23:16,663 --> 00:23:19,699 A loner with a camera, strike two. 386 00:23:19,732 --> 00:23:22,034 Grace Putnam was pretty much strike 387 00:23:22,068 --> 00:23:26,305 three, especially considering everything that happened. 388 00:23:26,338 --> 00:23:28,240 Grace Putnam lived in SDC. 389 00:23:28,274 --> 00:23:30,109 Francisco was a friend of the family. 390 00:23:30,142 --> 00:23:35,748 Salazar's house was-- was jammed with these 391 00:23:35,782 --> 00:23:39,185 weird and-- and suggestive photographs 392 00:23:39,218 --> 00:23:41,153 of children and had roadkill. 393 00:23:47,059 --> 00:23:49,662 Well, I've looked at all of the earlier photos. 394 00:23:49,696 --> 00:23:51,531 I've spent some time with him. 395 00:23:51,564 --> 00:23:53,800 He has a photographer's eye for sure. 396 00:23:53,833 --> 00:23:56,669 The best photographer I've ever seen? 397 00:23:56,703 --> 00:23:57,770 No. 398 00:23:57,804 --> 00:24:01,608 But he definitely had a professional eye. 399 00:24:01,641 --> 00:24:03,676 The shots of the little girl-- several of those 400 00:24:03,710 --> 00:24:05,177 are delicate and beautiful. 401 00:24:05,211 --> 00:24:08,881 The shots of the roadkill are a perfect counterpoint. 402 00:24:08,915 --> 00:24:11,217 You can read what you want into anything. 403 00:24:11,250 --> 00:24:14,353 That's-- that's part of what makes us human, I suppose. 404 00:24:14,386 --> 00:24:17,490 The shrinks have a fancy word for it. 405 00:24:17,524 --> 00:24:19,526 It's-- it's voyeur. 406 00:24:19,559 --> 00:24:21,694 My take-- pervert. 407 00:24:21,728 --> 00:24:23,663 So Francisco was a photographer. 408 00:24:23,696 --> 00:24:25,632 Big fucking deal. 409 00:24:25,665 --> 00:24:27,399 But there was something on that tape 410 00:24:27,433 --> 00:24:31,403 I couldn't put my finger on. 411 00:24:31,437 --> 00:24:34,974 I had to get help. 412 00:24:35,007 --> 00:24:38,645 I took my camera-- 413 00:24:38,678 --> 00:24:39,946 During the first trial, I tried 414 00:24:39,979 --> 00:24:41,814 to contact Schatzker Rio, the truck 415 00:24:41,848 --> 00:24:43,516 driver who picked up Salazar. 416 00:24:43,550 --> 00:24:45,251 He didn't want to talk. 417 00:24:45,284 --> 00:24:47,253 I left message after message. 418 00:24:47,286 --> 00:24:49,121 We never got together in person. 419 00:24:49,155 --> 00:24:51,724 But after the appeal was lodged, that's 420 00:24:51,758 --> 00:24:53,726 when I got this phone message. 421 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,328 Mr. Ross, I'm sending you something. 422 00:24:56,362 --> 00:24:58,330 I found it in my cab under the seat. 423 00:24:58,364 --> 00:24:59,632 Must have been there for months. 424 00:24:59,666 --> 00:25:00,967 I don't know. 425 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,570 I don't know what it is, but I don't wanna know. 426 00:25:03,603 --> 00:25:04,737 Now you have it. 427 00:25:04,771 --> 00:25:06,272 You keep me out of this, though. 428 00:25:06,305 --> 00:25:07,907 That's all I ask. 429 00:25:07,940 --> 00:25:10,810 I called him, got no reply. 430 00:25:10,843 --> 00:25:16,315 A couple of days later-- 431 00:25:24,557 --> 00:25:29,361 A week later, the roll arrived. 432 00:25:29,395 --> 00:25:30,697 Excuse me, Sheriff. 433 00:25:30,730 --> 00:25:32,098 Do you want to talk us about the Salazar case, 434 00:25:32,131 --> 00:25:34,466 about how the photos are gonna affect his appeal? 435 00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:37,503 No. 436 00:25:37,536 --> 00:25:40,039 What Francisco said on the tape, 437 00:25:40,072 --> 00:25:45,444 what everyone else discounted as insane ravings-- turns out, 438 00:25:45,477 --> 00:25:51,550 he documented it all. 439 00:25:51,584 --> 00:25:55,054 Something primal and horrible moved through Sangre de Cristo 440 00:25:55,087 --> 00:25:56,122 that night. 441 00:25:56,155 --> 00:26:02,762 And the one survivor made a record of it. 442 00:26:02,795 --> 00:26:05,264 Francisco had a camera with him that night. 443 00:26:05,297 --> 00:26:09,468 He took it with him and recorded what he saw on one 444 00:26:09,501 --> 00:26:11,604 roll of film, 36 exposures. 445 00:26:11,638 --> 00:26:13,272 I'm still in the process 446 00:26:13,305 --> 00:26:14,641 of appealing his conviction. 447 00:26:14,674 --> 00:26:17,810 But I can't enter these photos as evidence. 448 00:26:17,844 --> 00:26:19,078 I'd be disbarred. 449 00:26:29,088 --> 00:26:32,625 All this stuff about the photographs is BS. 450 00:26:32,659 --> 00:26:35,527 Photos prove nothing-- nothing. 451 00:26:35,561 --> 00:26:40,700 I-- I know many kids right here in Hinzman who could Photoshop 452 00:26:40,733 --> 00:26:44,370 you into the famous grassy knoll in Dallas 453 00:26:44,403 --> 00:26:48,107 with a smoking gun in your hand, and you'd believe it was you. 454 00:26:53,112 --> 00:26:57,416 I've been a professional photojournalist for-- Jesus, 455 00:26:57,449 --> 00:26:58,751 over 40 years now. 456 00:26:58,785 --> 00:27:02,288 I've shot in 'Nam, shot in Cambodia, pretty much 457 00:27:02,321 --> 00:27:03,589 all around the world. 458 00:27:03,622 --> 00:27:05,992 These are as authentic as they get. 459 00:27:06,025 --> 00:27:08,160 Usually, when somebody is playing with film, 460 00:27:08,194 --> 00:27:08,861 you can tell. 461 00:27:08,895 --> 00:27:10,429 There's rough edges. 462 00:27:10,462 --> 00:27:13,265 There are little things that-- that a professional can tell 463 00:27:13,299 --> 00:27:15,301 when looking at photography. 464 00:27:15,334 --> 00:27:17,603 You look at these pictures, there is none of that. 465 00:27:17,636 --> 00:27:21,007 These pictures are real. 466 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,909 The judge didn't want them. 467 00:27:22,942 --> 00:27:25,344 Parano didn't want them. 468 00:27:25,377 --> 00:27:26,846 It doesn't matter. 469 00:27:26,879 --> 00:27:31,650 The photos are not evidence. 470 00:27:31,684 --> 00:27:33,185 I would tell the local authorities 471 00:27:33,219 --> 00:27:36,723 that they are wrong-- that these are as authentic as it gets. 472 00:27:36,756 --> 00:27:39,625 I'm frankly surprised their own people haven't 473 00:27:39,658 --> 00:27:42,762 looked at the photos and been able to confirm 474 00:27:42,795 --> 00:27:45,097 the truth of the pictures. 475 00:27:45,131 --> 00:27:48,500 I'll tell you what those photos are-- a sick prank 476 00:27:48,534 --> 00:27:50,036 played by sick freaks. 477 00:27:55,975 --> 00:27:58,110 Everybody heard about the photographs. 478 00:27:58,144 --> 00:27:59,912 Nobody believed they were real. 479 00:27:59,946 --> 00:28:02,214 They were trying to make us feel sympathy for a man 480 00:28:02,248 --> 00:28:06,185 that didn't deserve any. 481 00:28:06,218 --> 00:28:08,721 The killing started, at least as far 482 00:28:08,755 --> 00:28:11,023 as Salazar's story was concerned, 483 00:28:11,057 --> 00:28:13,025 before he snapped a single frame. 484 00:28:13,059 --> 00:28:17,296 The only two explanations-- either the-- the guy 485 00:28:17,329 --> 00:28:21,067 went out there and staged everything, 486 00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:26,272 or he's absolutely telling the truth. 487 00:28:26,305 --> 00:28:30,376 Some of them were dead. 488 00:28:30,409 --> 00:28:37,383 And some of them-- hm. 489 00:28:37,416 --> 00:28:40,519 He was babbling, and I thought I was going to lose him, 490 00:28:40,552 --> 00:28:42,088 which-- which I eventually did. 491 00:28:42,121 --> 00:28:44,323 So I asked him to start at the beginning. 492 00:28:49,728 --> 00:28:51,130 Francisco, what were you doing when 493 00:28:51,163 --> 00:28:55,868 Danny showed up at your house? 494 00:28:55,902 --> 00:29:02,875 I was putting film in my camera. 495 00:29:02,909 --> 00:29:04,676 According to Salazar, he was loading up 496 00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:06,879 his camera, getting ready to shoot 497 00:29:06,913 --> 00:29:09,816 some dead coyotes or possums. 498 00:29:09,849 --> 00:29:11,784 But Danny shows up on his doorstep, 499 00:29:11,818 --> 00:29:14,420 bleeding out like a stuck pig. 500 00:29:14,453 --> 00:29:17,824 And then you said that he-- he came in, 501 00:29:17,857 --> 00:29:20,626 and he was bleeding. 502 00:29:20,659 --> 00:29:23,896 And you tried to help him. 503 00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:27,566 And you laid him down on the couch. 504 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:29,936 Is that correct? 505 00:29:29,969 --> 00:29:32,238 I saw him die. 506 00:29:32,271 --> 00:29:34,807 How are you sure that he was dead? 507 00:29:34,841 --> 00:29:36,542 He was dead. 508 00:29:36,575 --> 00:29:41,613 I know he was dead. 509 00:29:41,647 --> 00:29:45,517 The police forensic reports backed up that the victim did 510 00:29:45,551 --> 00:29:47,153 die at Salazar's house. 511 00:29:47,186 --> 00:29:48,955 Danny's body was one of the few that could 512 00:29:48,988 --> 00:29:54,894 be identified, but barely. 513 00:29:54,927 --> 00:29:56,963 Danny Montez was my cousin. 514 00:29:56,996 --> 00:29:59,098 I thought he and Salazar were cool. 515 00:29:59,131 --> 00:30:02,268 Montez used to work in the fields near Salazar's house. 516 00:30:02,301 --> 00:30:04,536 This is where it gets confusing to me. 517 00:30:11,343 --> 00:30:16,448 One minute, he's alive and on your couch, and then he's dead, 518 00:30:16,482 --> 00:30:21,053 and then he's standing up, and he's coming at you, 519 00:30:21,087 --> 00:30:23,222 and you're afraid. 520 00:30:23,255 --> 00:30:25,124 He was dead. 521 00:30:25,157 --> 00:30:30,029 And then he came after me. 522 00:30:30,062 --> 00:30:31,898 And I had to stop him. 523 00:30:31,931 --> 00:30:33,432 That's what happened. 524 00:30:33,465 --> 00:30:35,734 So when he was telling me this story, 525 00:30:35,767 --> 00:30:37,303 he was very clear and concise. 526 00:30:37,336 --> 00:30:39,571 And he had seemed to, like, let a weight off his shoulders. 527 00:30:39,605 --> 00:30:41,974 And he exhaled, and he got very calm after he 528 00:30:42,008 --> 00:30:43,475 talked to me about this. 529 00:30:43,509 --> 00:30:46,412 So he's very clear in the details about what happened. 530 00:30:46,445 --> 00:30:48,380 I mean, doesn't that seem strange to you? 531 00:30:48,414 --> 00:30:50,482 This is not something I've ever heard before. 532 00:30:50,516 --> 00:30:52,018 It's what happened. 533 00:30:52,051 --> 00:30:59,225 It was his same body and same face, but it wasn't Danny. 534 00:31:02,228 --> 00:31:06,632 Did he say anything? 535 00:31:06,665 --> 00:31:07,967 No? 536 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,435 No words? 537 00:31:09,468 --> 00:31:12,004 The boy's body was found in the middle 538 00:31:12,038 --> 00:31:13,305 of Salazar's living room. 539 00:31:13,339 --> 00:31:15,007 You stopped him. 540 00:31:15,041 --> 00:31:19,845 How did you-- how did you stop him from attacking you? 541 00:31:19,878 --> 00:31:27,119 I-- I held him. 542 00:31:27,153 --> 00:31:35,161 And I hurt him. And he stopped. 543 00:31:43,102 --> 00:31:44,570 How did you hurt him? 544 00:31:56,282 --> 00:31:58,217 That's tough evidence to overcome. 545 00:31:58,250 --> 00:32:00,152 There's no question that Francisco hacked 546 00:32:00,186 --> 00:32:02,254 up Danny Montez to pieces. 547 00:32:02,288 --> 00:32:05,191 The question is, did he kill him? 548 00:32:05,224 --> 00:32:07,326 So after-- after all of that happened, 549 00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:11,830 then 550 00:32:11,863 --> 00:32:13,532 I had to get help. 551 00:32:13,565 --> 00:32:16,302 If Salazar killed Montez, why would 552 00:32:16,335 --> 00:32:19,471 he run into town to get help? 553 00:32:19,505 --> 00:32:24,143 Because going south wasn't an option. 554 00:32:24,176 --> 00:32:26,412 Here is photograph 01 of the roll. 555 00:32:33,085 --> 00:32:35,721 This is the start of what Salazar saw-- 556 00:32:35,754 --> 00:32:38,190 what sent him back toward town. 557 00:32:38,224 --> 00:32:40,326 This is what made him run. 558 00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:43,429 Salazar's roll of film was a map, from the edge of town 559 00:32:43,462 --> 00:32:45,731 three miles across what was left of Sangre de Cristo. 560 00:32:54,540 --> 00:32:56,375 In one way, it doesn't matter 561 00:32:56,408 --> 00:32:59,045 what you think the photos mean. 562 00:32:59,078 --> 00:33:00,546 You can deny them. 563 00:33:00,579 --> 00:33:02,881 You can look to them for clues about what 564 00:33:02,914 --> 00:33:05,217 happened to your loved one. 565 00:33:05,251 --> 00:33:07,819 You can call them a sick media joke. 566 00:33:07,853 --> 00:33:10,922 You can even hope for salvation. 567 00:33:10,956 --> 00:33:16,128 But it's something, and it's coming closer. 568 00:33:16,162 --> 00:33:18,597 Salazar lived about a mile outside of town, 569 00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:19,631 on the fringes. 570 00:33:19,665 --> 00:33:22,034 His cabin was at the foot of the hills. 571 00:33:22,068 --> 00:33:25,337 He ran away through the fields, toward the town. 572 00:33:25,371 --> 00:33:27,573 Based on the light in that first picture, 573 00:33:27,606 --> 00:33:30,842 it was about 15 minutes to sundown. 574 00:33:30,876 --> 00:33:32,311 Migrant workers were still working. 575 00:33:32,344 --> 00:33:33,745 SDC's the brown town 576 00:33:33,779 --> 00:33:35,147 that actually services Hinzman. 577 00:33:35,181 --> 00:33:37,216 That's where you get all the invisible people-- all 578 00:33:37,249 --> 00:33:40,586 your gardeners, all of the service people, all your maids, 579 00:33:40,619 --> 00:33:43,955 people who pick your food, who take care of the kids. 580 00:33:43,989 --> 00:33:46,658 When we were kids, we couldn't even pronounce the damn place. 581 00:33:46,692 --> 00:33:51,963 You're like "Shandray de Caso," "Sandray de Crystal." 582 00:33:51,997 --> 00:33:53,799 We just call it Savageland. 583 00:33:53,832 --> 00:33:56,202 The cops found what they said were the remains 584 00:33:56,235 --> 00:33:58,170 of 11 victims out in the field. 585 00:33:58,204 --> 00:33:59,905 That's just Savageland 586 00:33:59,938 --> 00:34:03,075 living down to its reputation. 587 00:34:03,109 --> 00:34:05,444 The first theory was cartels. 588 00:34:05,477 --> 00:34:09,481 SDC is in an area of major cross-border drug supply lines. 589 00:34:09,515 --> 00:34:12,984 Maybe drugs were passing through and some gang wanted 590 00:34:13,018 --> 00:34:14,620 to stake out a new territory. 591 00:34:14,653 --> 00:34:17,389 There were a lot of thieves with drugs. 592 00:34:17,423 --> 00:34:20,126 Drugs were coming in and the-- the cartel was coming in 593 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:21,993 and influencing the young kids. 594 00:34:22,027 --> 00:34:24,663 Cartel killings are designed to make a point. 595 00:34:24,696 --> 00:34:27,933 They stack the heads up all neat like it's an altar, 596 00:34:27,966 --> 00:34:29,901 or they hang the bodies from bridges. 597 00:34:29,935 --> 00:34:31,603 It keeps people in line. 598 00:34:31,637 --> 00:34:34,373 This wasn't designed to make a point. 599 00:34:34,406 --> 00:34:35,974 This was random carnage. 600 00:34:36,007 --> 00:34:43,849 Salazar's running for cover, exposed, out in the open. 601 00:34:43,882 --> 00:34:46,952 Coming out of the fields, he headed into town. 602 00:34:46,985 --> 00:34:49,087 He came across Ron Templeton. 603 00:34:54,693 --> 00:34:56,962 Templeton was a hunter from Hinzman. 604 00:34:56,995 --> 00:35:02,501 Spent his off hours out here searching through the area. 605 00:35:02,534 --> 00:35:06,272 I used to see him all the time out here on patrol. 606 00:35:06,305 --> 00:35:07,906 I walk in the house 607 00:35:07,939 --> 00:35:09,941 and expect him to be here. 608 00:35:09,975 --> 00:35:12,644 It's-- it's really hard to get used 609 00:35:12,678 --> 00:35:20,652 to the idea that he's not-- he's not in-- in-- in here anymore. 610 00:35:20,686 --> 00:35:27,092 Did you know Ron Templeton? 611 00:35:27,125 --> 00:35:29,661 The police say that you were in his truck. 612 00:35:39,771 --> 00:35:41,240 Because he had a gun. 613 00:35:53,952 --> 00:35:56,322 Some of the victims were from Hinzman. 614 00:35:56,355 --> 00:35:59,124 Some of them were beloved members of the community. 615 00:35:59,157 --> 00:36:02,060 They were not just SDC residents. 616 00:36:02,093 --> 00:36:06,164 I mean, Ron Templeton was a member of the Founders Club. 617 00:36:06,198 --> 00:36:07,766 People loved him. 618 00:36:07,799 --> 00:36:11,670 He was such a big part of just the community, 619 00:36:11,703 --> 00:36:12,738 too. 620 00:36:12,771 --> 00:36:16,308 So every place I go and everything I do, 621 00:36:16,342 --> 00:36:19,245 I expect to see him. 622 00:36:19,278 --> 00:36:22,214 Ron Templeton was a good man. 623 00:36:22,248 --> 00:36:24,783 When he came across Salazar, I-- I 624 00:36:24,816 --> 00:36:28,954 guess that he tried to find some good in him as well. 625 00:36:28,987 --> 00:36:31,590 And that was his big mistake. 626 00:36:31,623 --> 00:36:37,329 I tried to get him to come with me to help these people, 627 00:36:37,363 --> 00:36:40,532 to help my friends. 628 00:36:40,566 --> 00:36:42,368 So the man in the truck, 629 00:36:42,401 --> 00:36:45,537 did he shoot at the people in the field? 630 00:36:52,311 --> 00:36:53,412 What happened? 631 00:36:58,817 --> 00:36:59,951 Nothing happened. 632 00:36:59,985 --> 00:37:01,487 I didn't murder him. 633 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,162 The one thing that continues to bother me 634 00:37:11,196 --> 00:37:15,100 is Francisco Salazar taking Ron down. 635 00:37:15,133 --> 00:37:17,503 He's such a little man. 636 00:37:17,536 --> 00:37:20,606 According to the state's case, a 5 foot 9, 637 00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:23,208 170-pound Francisco ran bloody and screaming 638 00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:28,747 toward Ron Templeton, who's 6 foot 1, 210 pounds, and armed. 639 00:37:28,780 --> 00:37:32,384 Anyone who knew Ron knew what an expert hunter he was. 640 00:37:32,418 --> 00:37:35,387 He was an expert shot, too. 641 00:37:35,421 --> 00:37:36,888 He never missed. 642 00:37:36,922 --> 00:37:40,392 I mean, one shot is all it took to ever kill an animal. 643 00:37:40,426 --> 00:37:43,529 And for him to miss that many times that close up-- 644 00:37:43,562 --> 00:37:45,297 impossible to even imagine. 645 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,518 This is where they found Templeton's truck. 646 00:38:06,552 --> 00:38:09,321 The blood trail that went off into the wash, then 647 00:38:09,355 --> 00:38:10,756 disappeared. 648 00:38:10,789 --> 00:38:13,725 We never found Ron Templeton's body. 649 00:38:13,759 --> 00:38:17,329 His wife, Eileen, will never get 650 00:38:17,363 --> 00:38:19,798 the closure that she deserves. 651 00:38:33,845 --> 00:38:34,680 Sorry. 652 00:38:43,121 --> 00:38:45,791 57 people died here. 653 00:38:45,824 --> 00:38:50,061 And the local newspaper ran one obituary-- one 654 00:38:50,095 --> 00:38:52,330 white guy from Hinzman. 655 00:38:52,364 --> 00:38:54,232 Many times, I lie awake at night, 656 00:38:54,265 --> 00:38:58,269 wishing Ron had taken out Salazar right then and there. 657 00:38:58,303 --> 00:39:00,105 People tell me not to ask 658 00:39:00,138 --> 00:39:02,441 questions and keep quiet. 659 00:39:02,474 --> 00:39:04,209 And then I think, are they lying to me? 660 00:39:04,242 --> 00:39:06,378 Are they trying to make me feel this 661 00:39:06,412 --> 00:39:08,514 is the way it happened, just to make me be quiet 662 00:39:08,547 --> 00:39:12,150 and not question? 663 00:39:12,183 --> 00:39:14,119 We've lived in this town forever. 664 00:39:14,152 --> 00:39:15,787 Would they be lying to me? 665 00:39:32,103 --> 00:39:34,773 Salazar runs until he reaches the edge of town. 666 00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:46,618 You've got Danny Montez dead. 667 00:39:46,652 --> 00:39:48,554 11 more in the field. 668 00:39:48,587 --> 00:39:49,855 That still leaves 45. 669 00:40:11,309 --> 00:40:13,178 At this time, it's about 8:00 PM. 670 00:40:23,822 --> 00:40:28,794 The more he runs, the clearer it becomes-- 671 00:40:28,827 --> 00:40:33,665 he's not outrunning anything. 672 00:40:33,699 --> 00:40:35,300 Francisco, when you got 673 00:40:35,333 --> 00:40:39,104 into town, what did you see? 674 00:40:39,137 --> 00:40:44,543 What did it look like? 675 00:40:44,576 --> 00:40:47,646 It was-- it was like hell. 676 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,456 People were running. 677 00:40:58,490 --> 00:41:00,559 People were hurting each other. 678 00:41:26,852 --> 00:41:31,089 At this point, it's 8:15 PM. 679 00:41:31,122 --> 00:41:33,291 Francisco's making his way through town, 680 00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:36,061 trying to stay alive. 681 00:41:36,094 --> 00:41:38,597 By his own account, he has no weapon 682 00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:42,067 at this point, just his camera. 683 00:41:48,406 --> 00:41:51,710 The amazing thing about being a photographer 684 00:41:51,743 --> 00:41:54,813 is, so long as you are behind that lens, 685 00:41:54,846 --> 00:41:57,048 so long as you are shooting through that lens, 686 00:41:57,082 --> 00:41:58,684 you are indestructible. 687 00:41:58,717 --> 00:42:01,587 Every photographer I know feels the same way. 688 00:42:01,620 --> 00:42:04,956 While you're shooting, you can't be hurt. 689 00:42:04,990 --> 00:42:07,893 I have a stultifying fear of heights. 690 00:42:07,926 --> 00:42:10,295 I-- just looking out of an upstairs window 691 00:42:10,328 --> 00:42:11,763 scares the hell out of me. 692 00:42:11,797 --> 00:42:13,999 In 'Nam, I used to spend half of my time 693 00:42:14,032 --> 00:42:16,201 hanging out of an open helicopter door, 694 00:42:16,234 --> 00:42:19,004 hanging onto a strap I wouldn't use as a belt, 695 00:42:19,037 --> 00:42:22,073 and shooting away, because nothing could hurt me. 696 00:42:22,107 --> 00:42:24,309 As long as I had that camera in front of my face, 697 00:42:24,342 --> 00:42:25,276 nothing could hurt me. 698 00:42:41,727 --> 00:42:43,261 You basically have an illegal 699 00:42:43,294 --> 00:42:47,666 who's running amok all over Savageland, killing at random. 700 00:42:47,699 --> 00:42:49,601 At this point, the prosecution case 701 00:42:49,635 --> 00:42:51,169 starts to get a little shaky. 702 00:42:51,202 --> 00:42:53,805 Salazar would've said something to my grandpa 703 00:42:53,839 --> 00:42:55,340 and stuff would've went down. 704 00:42:55,373 --> 00:42:57,909 My grandpa's not going to go down without a fight. 705 00:42:57,943 --> 00:43:01,212 The autopsy certificates would have you believe that Salazar 706 00:43:01,246 --> 00:43:05,416 was sprinting through town, dispatching victims 707 00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:08,820 with a machete and pickax like he was 708 00:43:08,854 --> 00:43:11,923 some kind of trained killer. 709 00:43:11,957 --> 00:43:15,727 Salazar knew every square inch of that town. 710 00:43:15,761 --> 00:43:17,863 That's why he was able to move so quickly 711 00:43:17,896 --> 00:43:24,402 and kill without anybody realizing what was happening. 712 00:43:24,435 --> 00:43:29,574 SDC is not a big place. 713 00:43:29,607 --> 00:43:32,744 Salazar was in good shape. 714 00:43:32,778 --> 00:43:34,412 If he were quick enough, he could've 715 00:43:34,445 --> 00:43:36,748 covered all that ground. 716 00:43:36,782 --> 00:43:38,884 And he did not want to leave any witnesses. 717 00:43:47,358 --> 00:43:49,394 What's most amazing about these photographs 718 00:43:49,427 --> 00:43:52,530 is the fact that he got as many decent photographs 719 00:43:52,563 --> 00:43:54,165 as he did out of one roll. 720 00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:56,735 I mean, I can't imagine why he would go with one roll. 721 00:43:56,768 --> 00:43:58,503 I have a feeling he probably had more 722 00:43:58,536 --> 00:44:02,874 that he lost along the way, because I've done that myself. 723 00:44:06,712 --> 00:44:09,147 One roll of film and 36 exposures, 724 00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:12,718 and caught as many perfect shots as he did. 725 00:44:12,751 --> 00:44:17,322 It is either brilliant film work or one 726 00:44:17,355 --> 00:44:20,358 of the greatest accidents in the history of photography. 727 00:44:25,764 --> 00:44:27,532 We know that Salazar gets 728 00:44:27,565 --> 00:44:30,068 here to the one store in town. 729 00:44:30,101 --> 00:44:32,003 It's a little way out of the rest of his route 730 00:44:32,037 --> 00:44:33,705 based on the photographs. 731 00:44:33,739 --> 00:44:39,244 But we do know this market had a working landline. 732 00:44:39,277 --> 00:44:42,948 But if that's what he was going for, he was shit out of luck. 733 00:44:48,086 --> 00:44:51,522 If you were in New York City and not Sangre de Cristo, 734 00:44:51,556 --> 00:44:54,525 you would probably have 15,000 shots 735 00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:55,894 of what happened there that evening 736 00:44:55,927 --> 00:44:57,195 on people's cell phones. 737 00:44:57,228 --> 00:44:59,965 Most people in SDC didn't have cell phones. 738 00:44:59,998 --> 00:45:02,133 They had phone cards. 739 00:45:02,167 --> 00:45:04,135 Once a month, they'd come to the market, 740 00:45:04,169 --> 00:45:07,806 buy one, call home to Mexico, say hi to mom, 741 00:45:07,839 --> 00:45:11,009 confirm the wire transfer back home. 742 00:45:11,042 --> 00:45:14,712 You can't take a picture with a phone card. 743 00:45:14,746 --> 00:45:19,384 We're talking about a place where life was cheap. 744 00:45:19,417 --> 00:45:24,389 Illegals arriving illegally, doing illegal things. 745 00:45:24,422 --> 00:45:26,691 People ask me, well, why didn't the people of SDC 746 00:45:26,724 --> 00:45:27,893 call the police? 747 00:45:27,926 --> 00:45:29,294 Immigrants don't call police. 748 00:45:29,327 --> 00:45:31,329 And when you live in SDC, the police 749 00:45:31,362 --> 00:45:33,731 are just another element, another criminal element 750 00:45:33,765 --> 00:45:34,800 to them. 751 00:45:51,316 --> 00:45:53,718 Salazar was also charged with murders that 752 00:45:53,751 --> 00:45:55,787 happened at the water-tower. 753 00:45:55,821 --> 00:45:57,755 But there's not a single piece of evidence 754 00:45:57,789 --> 00:46:00,558 to indicate that Salazar was ever there. 755 00:46:00,591 --> 00:46:02,961 And remember those people we found, 756 00:46:02,994 --> 00:46:05,864 you know, right next to the small water-tower. 757 00:46:05,897 --> 00:46:07,498 We know that they ran. 758 00:46:07,532 --> 00:46:10,869 We know that they ran up to the top of that water-tower. 759 00:46:10,902 --> 00:46:15,273 And instead of confronting whatever was chasing them, 760 00:46:15,306 --> 00:46:17,075 they chose to jump off the water-tower. 761 00:46:17,108 --> 00:46:19,377 Now that just doesn't happen when you have an individual. 762 00:46:19,410 --> 00:46:21,779 I don't care how horrible that individual is. 763 00:46:21,813 --> 00:46:23,081 That doesn't happen. 764 00:46:23,114 --> 00:46:25,650 Eight people supposedly ran up there, trying 765 00:46:25,683 --> 00:46:29,087 to get away from one man? 766 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,822 But instead of trying to fight him 767 00:46:30,856 --> 00:46:34,725 off on a single fire escape, these eight people 768 00:46:34,759 --> 00:46:36,527 chose to jump. 769 00:46:36,561 --> 00:46:39,664 They'd rather kill themselves and their families 770 00:46:39,697 --> 00:46:42,133 instead of fight him? 771 00:46:42,167 --> 00:46:48,273 They told me that Jose and his family 772 00:46:48,306 --> 00:46:53,211 were some of the ones who died at that tower. 773 00:46:53,244 --> 00:46:58,984 And it was only two blocks from their house. 774 00:46:59,017 --> 00:47:04,890 I mean, I look at his picture and-- 775 00:47:04,923 --> 00:47:07,592 Maria had such a strong sense of faith-- 776 00:47:07,625 --> 00:47:09,527 a really strong sense of faith. 777 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:10,595 I don't have that faith. 778 00:47:10,628 --> 00:47:11,897 I just don't have that faith. 779 00:47:11,930 --> 00:47:13,398 And-- and it-- and it hurts me, you know, 780 00:47:13,431 --> 00:47:18,203 because I'm-- I'm more angry about that. 781 00:47:18,236 --> 00:47:21,206 I can't imagine why the two of them 782 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,642 would-- would do something like that. 783 00:47:24,675 --> 00:47:29,647 I just-- they had to climb that. 784 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:36,922 If you think about them standing there at that moment, 785 00:47:36,955 --> 00:47:38,289 and then making that decision. 786 00:47:43,694 --> 00:47:46,697 Salazar was never closer than three blocks to that tower 787 00:47:46,731 --> 00:47:48,033 that night. 788 00:47:48,066 --> 00:47:51,369 The truth is, he had a different route in mind. 789 00:47:59,510 --> 00:48:03,614 From the start, he was always heading here. 790 00:48:03,648 --> 00:48:05,816 That's what he says. 791 00:48:05,850 --> 00:48:07,552 It's the church. 792 00:48:07,585 --> 00:48:14,125 The church mission for the Putnam family. 793 00:48:14,159 --> 00:48:16,261 As for the Putnams, well, Francisco had been 794 00:48:16,294 --> 00:48:17,862 working for them for years. 795 00:48:17,895 --> 00:48:19,030 He was almost a friend. 796 00:48:19,064 --> 00:48:20,531 You know, they-- they trusted him. 797 00:48:20,565 --> 00:48:24,069 They gave him a key, you know, to the building. 798 00:48:24,102 --> 00:48:26,204 And yet, when I look at the crime scene, 799 00:48:26,237 --> 00:48:28,173 doors have been ripped off their hinges. 800 00:48:28,206 --> 00:48:30,675 Now why would Francisco rip the doors off the hinges 801 00:48:30,708 --> 00:48:33,344 when he had a key? 802 00:48:33,378 --> 00:48:35,480 What was going through your mind 803 00:48:35,513 --> 00:48:36,381 when you saw this? 804 00:48:44,722 --> 00:48:46,057 I don't know. 805 00:48:46,091 --> 00:48:49,294 I just wanted to help my friends. 806 00:48:49,327 --> 00:48:51,762 You worked for a Dwayne and Judith Putnam, 807 00:48:51,796 --> 00:48:52,697 didn't you? 808 00:48:58,403 --> 00:49:01,172 Yes. 809 00:49:01,206 --> 00:49:03,141 How did you feel about them? 810 00:49:04,442 --> 00:49:06,277 They were good people. 811 00:49:14,585 --> 00:49:17,788 The Putnams were here to convert the old church 812 00:49:17,822 --> 00:49:19,024 and mission offices. 813 00:49:19,057 --> 00:49:21,359 They basically started a new ministry 814 00:49:21,392 --> 00:49:24,729 in a town other religious groups had long since abandoned. 815 00:49:30,668 --> 00:49:33,271 We're proud of our church's missionary history. 816 00:49:33,304 --> 00:49:36,374 God's mission for us is to go forth to the less fortunate 817 00:49:36,407 --> 00:49:40,245 and bear witness to His word. 818 00:49:40,278 --> 00:49:42,280 The Putnams were some of my closest, 819 00:49:42,313 --> 00:49:46,751 dearest friends in the world-- truly people of God. 820 00:49:46,784 --> 00:49:49,620 Dwayne and Judith's engagement was sanctioned by our church 821 00:49:49,654 --> 00:49:51,556 with great excitement. 822 00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:54,925 Even though she wasn't baptized in a church at the time, 823 00:49:54,959 --> 00:49:58,729 we knew in her heart she'd always believed. 824 00:49:58,763 --> 00:50:00,498 She had great strength. 825 00:50:07,838 --> 00:50:10,175 They were my friends. 826 00:50:10,208 --> 00:50:11,976 Salazar had spent the summer working 827 00:50:12,009 --> 00:50:15,380 as a handyman on the mission, doing odd jobs, 828 00:50:15,413 --> 00:50:18,483 running errands for Judith, hanging out with the two kids. 829 00:50:34,499 --> 00:50:37,935 The Putnams went to that town to fix up that facility, 830 00:50:37,968 --> 00:50:40,971 to empower those people. 831 00:50:41,005 --> 00:50:43,408 This family reached out to Salazar, 832 00:50:43,441 --> 00:50:45,376 and this is how he repaid them? 833 00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:03,128 But Salazar was too late. 834 00:51:08,299 --> 00:51:10,235 Grace is gone. 835 00:51:10,268 --> 00:51:13,904 Where is Grace? 836 00:51:13,938 --> 00:51:20,278 Grace is gone. 837 00:51:20,311 --> 00:51:24,182 Don't you judge me. 838 00:51:24,215 --> 00:51:31,021 Only God can judge me. 839 00:51:31,055 --> 00:51:35,926 Only He knows what I'm seeing. 840 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:40,731 Only He knows this abomination. 841 00:51:44,001 --> 00:51:46,937 I am Abraham. 842 00:51:46,971 --> 00:51:49,440 A burnt-- 843 00:52:07,392 --> 00:52:11,729 My lambs, my little lamb. 844 00:53:02,247 --> 00:53:04,815 What'd you wish for, Grace? 845 00:53:04,849 --> 00:53:07,184 I get little. 846 00:53:07,218 --> 00:53:09,320 All right, birthday girl first. 847 00:53:16,961 --> 00:53:21,966 When I got there, I knew that I was too late. 848 00:53:25,636 --> 00:53:27,372 Where are their bodies? 849 00:53:37,582 --> 00:53:39,884 In the official version, 850 00:53:39,917 --> 00:53:42,987 forensics, coupled with the Putnam phone recording, 851 00:53:43,020 --> 00:53:46,324 led the police to conclude that Putnam killed his wife 852 00:53:46,357 --> 00:53:49,827 and son before killing himself. 853 00:53:49,860 --> 00:53:52,897 Now Putnam panicked at seeing Salazar running wild 854 00:53:52,930 --> 00:53:57,101 and snapped when he heard the screams outside the mission. 855 00:53:57,134 --> 00:54:00,305 So he killed his family with a machete 856 00:54:00,338 --> 00:54:03,073 before turning it on himself. 857 00:54:03,107 --> 00:54:06,844 That's Parano's version. 858 00:54:06,877 --> 00:54:09,414 Were they still alive when you got there? 859 00:54:15,786 --> 00:54:16,654 Only one of them. 860 00:54:24,395 --> 00:54:26,931 But the official logic doesn't hold up. 861 00:54:26,964 --> 00:54:30,034 Putnam wanted to give his family a mercy killing so they 862 00:54:30,067 --> 00:54:31,336 could all go up clean to Jesus. 863 00:54:31,369 --> 00:54:32,503 That's one thing. 864 00:54:32,537 --> 00:54:35,606 But why dismember his little kids? 865 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,343 Yeah, we had dogs searching 866 00:54:38,376 --> 00:54:40,345 for the other remains. 867 00:54:40,378 --> 00:54:44,214 We found nothing, or Salazar won't be telling 868 00:54:44,248 --> 00:54:47,685 us where he buried the bodies. 869 00:54:47,718 --> 00:54:54,224 Dwayne Putnam thought he was a man of God. 870 00:54:54,258 --> 00:54:57,428 But he made the wrong choice. 871 00:54:57,462 --> 00:54:59,630 For a pastor, a man of the Bible, 872 00:54:59,664 --> 00:55:01,999 it must be hard to see these photos. 873 00:55:02,032 --> 00:55:08,138 They show what you might call a inconvenient resurrection. 874 00:55:08,172 --> 00:55:14,412 The only thing he can do is deny it. 875 00:55:14,445 --> 00:55:16,246 God saw what Dwayne did. 876 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,084 He was a murderer and a suicide. 877 00:55:20,117 --> 00:55:23,087 OK, both of you. 878 00:55:24,655 --> 00:55:27,825 Ah, say hi to mommy. 879 00:55:27,858 --> 00:55:28,759 Hi! 880 00:55:28,793 --> 00:55:29,594 Hi, mommy. 881 00:55:29,627 --> 00:55:30,728 Run! 882 00:55:30,761 --> 00:55:31,762 Uh-oh. 883 00:55:31,796 --> 00:55:32,630 Ah! 884 00:55:38,436 --> 00:55:42,940 Where was Grace Putnam? 885 00:55:42,973 --> 00:55:46,076 She wasn't there. 886 00:55:46,110 --> 00:55:50,448 Where was she? 887 00:55:50,481 --> 00:55:53,684 If Grace wasn't at the mission-- 888 00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:57,655 She was at school. 889 00:55:57,688 --> 00:56:00,024 The school is on the outskirts of town. 890 00:56:00,057 --> 00:56:03,728 And Salazar still has a distance to go, 891 00:56:03,761 --> 00:56:06,731 through the most densely populated area of town, where 892 00:56:06,764 --> 00:56:08,433 most of the bodies were found. 893 00:56:08,466 --> 00:56:10,034 Most of the killings 894 00:56:10,067 --> 00:56:14,839 occurred on the street or just inside the entrances to homes. 895 00:56:14,872 --> 00:56:17,107 People rushed out to see what was happening, 896 00:56:17,141 --> 00:56:19,710 to protect their families. 897 00:56:19,744 --> 00:56:21,812 I mean, if this bullshit story were true, 898 00:56:21,846 --> 00:56:28,352 why didn't Salazar put down his camera and help those people? 899 00:56:28,385 --> 00:56:30,020 Salazar was a handyman. 900 00:56:30,054 --> 00:56:32,923 He had keys for vacant buildings all over town. 901 00:56:32,957 --> 00:56:35,560 He could cut through building to building from one end of town 902 00:56:35,593 --> 00:56:39,029 to the other, hide, look out. 903 00:56:39,063 --> 00:56:40,631 Look, most of the time, 904 00:56:40,665 --> 00:56:43,668 he probably wasn't even close to the action. 905 00:56:43,701 --> 00:56:46,571 I mean, a 70 to 200 millimeter lens pulls 906 00:56:46,604 --> 00:56:48,338 in all sorts of distant detail. 907 00:56:48,372 --> 00:56:53,511 You know, sometimes, you get nothing. 908 00:56:53,544 --> 00:56:55,846 Sometimes, you get something extraordinary. 909 00:57:06,356 --> 00:57:08,793 Why did Francisco take the photos? 910 00:57:08,826 --> 00:57:13,564 The better question is, why not? 911 00:57:13,598 --> 00:57:17,201 You are capturing moments of time that 912 00:57:17,234 --> 00:57:20,237 you are the only person-- it's-- it's a moral imperative, 913 00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:21,071 almost. 914 00:57:25,543 --> 00:57:26,844 You're the person with the camera. 915 00:57:26,877 --> 00:57:28,879 You're the only person there with that option. 916 00:57:28,913 --> 00:57:30,981 You take the pictures because you must, 917 00:57:31,015 --> 00:57:35,586 because somebody has to take those pictures. 918 00:57:35,620 --> 00:57:38,422 Salazar makes his way down Main Street 919 00:57:38,455 --> 00:57:39,990 and gets to the preschool. 920 00:57:51,869 --> 00:57:55,372 All the children of the people who died in that field, 921 00:57:55,405 --> 00:57:57,174 they were in that preschool. 922 00:58:12,990 --> 00:58:16,326 That's the thing that messed with me the most-- what 923 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:17,962 happened at that preschool. 924 00:58:17,995 --> 00:58:20,531 Well, we're not the same as they are. 925 00:58:20,565 --> 00:58:25,970 We don't kill babies. 926 00:58:37,748 --> 00:58:39,817 There's almost nothing that you could 927 00:58:39,850 --> 00:58:43,220 say to change people's minds. 928 00:58:43,253 --> 00:58:51,161 Even planting the possibility, the idea that you 929 00:58:51,195 --> 00:58:57,668 hurt or killed children. 930 00:58:57,702 --> 00:58:58,836 Went to the school. 931 00:59:08,779 --> 00:59:11,782 When I got there, there was-- 932 00:59:29,834 --> 00:59:32,770 There were nine kids in the preschool 933 00:59:32,803 --> 00:59:38,609 and one teacher, Lisa Reyes. 934 00:59:38,643 --> 00:59:43,447 Forensics indicated that some of the kids had 935 00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,583 hidden behind a-- a curtain. 936 00:59:46,617 --> 00:59:50,120 That's a child's natural instinct to think, 937 00:59:50,154 --> 00:59:52,790 if they make themselves invisible, 938 00:59:52,823 --> 00:59:55,592 they can save themselves from the monster. 939 01:00:10,741 --> 01:00:13,377 When I came back, I just-- like I said, 940 01:00:13,410 --> 01:00:14,912 I couldn't believe it. 941 01:00:14,945 --> 01:00:17,948 I didn't want to believe it. 942 01:00:17,982 --> 01:00:23,620 And to go to the funeral was one of the hardest things. 943 01:00:26,556 --> 01:00:28,625 You know, it was a closed casket. 944 01:00:28,659 --> 01:00:31,428 All the family was there. 945 01:00:31,461 --> 01:00:34,098 A lot of people wish that they would have been able to see her 946 01:00:34,131 --> 01:00:36,901 before she-- you know, I kind of, 947 01:00:36,934 --> 01:00:42,206 like, keep my own last memory of-- I don't know. 948 01:00:42,239 --> 01:00:46,777 I wouldn't want to see her in there anyways. 949 01:00:46,811 --> 01:00:49,246 I remember her the way I remember her, you know? 950 01:00:49,279 --> 01:00:51,181 Linda Perez is my daughter. 951 01:00:51,215 --> 01:00:52,950 She was five years old. 952 01:00:52,983 --> 01:00:55,452 She lived with her father in SDC. 953 01:00:55,485 --> 01:00:56,887 I worked in Hinzman. 954 01:00:56,921 --> 01:01:01,692 I hardly got to see her because I worked long hours. 955 01:01:01,726 --> 01:01:09,566 She was wearing a-- a purple top and pants 956 01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:11,368 and white tennis shoes. 957 01:01:11,401 --> 01:01:15,773 She was very picky about what she wanted to wear. 958 01:01:15,806 --> 01:01:21,846 When I left, she was three. 959 01:01:21,879 --> 01:01:25,816 And I wasn't even nice to her. 960 01:01:25,850 --> 01:01:29,920 I could have been nicer to her. 961 01:01:29,954 --> 01:01:32,056 But she was always bugging me, and I 962 01:01:32,089 --> 01:01:34,591 just-- I feel like an asshole. 963 01:01:34,624 --> 01:01:35,625 Benny. 964 01:01:35,659 --> 01:01:36,827 You wanna see him? 965 01:01:36,861 --> 01:01:38,562 He's right here. 966 01:01:38,595 --> 01:01:39,496 I mean, look at that. 967 01:01:39,529 --> 01:01:44,368 Look at that smile. 968 01:01:44,401 --> 01:01:48,438 You know, he was-- he was born premature, and he was tiny. 969 01:01:48,472 --> 01:01:49,439 Tiny. 970 01:01:49,473 --> 01:01:51,075 He weighed 2 and 1/2 pounds. 971 01:01:51,108 --> 01:01:53,811 And you know, he had some problems. 972 01:01:53,844 --> 01:01:56,246 He got pneumonia as a newborn. 973 01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:00,918 But he had a tough, strong heart. 974 01:02:00,951 --> 01:02:03,120 I could have gone home more, but you know, 975 01:02:03,153 --> 01:02:04,554 it was a piece of shit town. 976 01:02:04,588 --> 01:02:07,157 And I left when I could. 977 01:02:07,191 --> 01:02:09,659 And I was just hoping, maybe, when she got older, 978 01:02:09,693 --> 01:02:11,929 we could make up for lost time. 979 01:02:11,962 --> 01:02:14,698 That's-- that's all I was thinking. 980 01:02:14,731 --> 01:02:17,701 But now I don't have time. 981 01:02:17,734 --> 01:02:20,237 I took this from her school. 982 01:02:20,270 --> 01:02:22,739 This was the last thing she was wearing. 983 01:02:27,878 --> 01:02:30,180 Grace is gone. 984 01:02:30,214 --> 01:02:32,783 Where is Grace? 985 01:02:32,817 --> 01:02:37,687 Grace is gone. 986 01:02:37,721 --> 01:02:40,290 I couldn't find her. 987 01:02:41,859 --> 01:02:43,660 By his own account, Salazar couldn't even 988 01:02:43,693 --> 01:02:44,995 get inside the school. 989 01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:49,466 He scurried around the back by the storeroom. 990 01:02:49,499 --> 01:02:53,904 The one aspect of that roll of film that sort of fascinates me 991 01:02:53,938 --> 01:02:56,206 is why he spent so much of the last 992 01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,775 of it taking pictures of that one subject, 993 01:02:58,809 --> 01:03:00,677 that-- that little girl. 994 01:03:00,710 --> 01:03:01,545 I wouldn't have. 995 01:03:10,754 --> 01:03:12,289 It's not what I would've done, certainly. 996 01:03:12,322 --> 01:03:15,059 And I don't think most other professional photographers 997 01:03:15,092 --> 01:03:16,193 would've done it either. 998 01:03:23,834 --> 01:03:27,737 She was on the other side of the window. 999 01:03:27,771 --> 01:03:33,043 She was reaching out. 1000 01:03:33,077 --> 01:03:35,379 I couldn't help her. 1001 01:03:35,412 --> 01:03:37,181 Based on my evaluation 1002 01:03:37,214 --> 01:03:40,550 of the other photographs, this was the first time that Salazar 1003 01:03:40,584 --> 01:03:42,953 even used his flash unit. 1004 01:03:42,987 --> 01:03:44,521 The question is, why now? 1005 01:03:51,395 --> 01:03:58,969 I tried to stop them with the flash. 1006 01:03:59,970 --> 01:04:04,508 With the camera? 1007 01:04:04,541 --> 01:04:05,442 Did it help? 1008 01:04:16,286 --> 01:04:20,891 Did it stop them for a little while? 1009 01:04:20,925 --> 01:04:25,462 Only when-- only when it flashed. 1010 01:04:25,495 --> 01:04:27,164 Those last photographs-- 1011 01:04:27,197 --> 01:04:29,333 there's the one where he's reaching through the bars, 1012 01:04:29,366 --> 01:04:33,070 where he is trying to take the girl's hand 1013 01:04:33,103 --> 01:04:38,075 and suddenly he stops being a historian, 1014 01:04:38,108 --> 01:04:43,347 stops being an observer, and becomes an active participant. 1015 01:04:43,380 --> 01:04:46,650 The moment he stopped being a photographer 1016 01:04:46,683 --> 01:04:53,757 and decided to do a single human action to save somebody else-- 1017 01:04:53,790 --> 01:04:56,026 I just held her hand. 1018 01:04:56,060 --> 01:04:59,463 --is the moment that changed everything for him. 1019 01:04:59,496 --> 01:05:02,466 You give up being a photographer to become a human being. 1020 01:05:02,499 --> 01:05:06,570 And you lose what has kept you alive and safe through the rest 1021 01:05:06,603 --> 01:05:09,173 of the process. 1022 01:05:09,206 --> 01:05:11,608 I just held her hand. 1023 01:05:11,641 --> 01:05:14,844 And I sang. 1024 01:05:57,921 --> 01:05:59,956 He was planning this all along. 1025 01:06:05,162 --> 01:06:07,631 There's only three possibilities. 1026 01:06:07,664 --> 01:06:13,403 Either he's lying, he's crazy, or he's telling the truth. 1027 01:06:13,437 --> 01:06:16,873 And in my professional opinion, he's not lying 1028 01:06:16,906 --> 01:06:18,975 and he's not crazy. 1029 01:06:35,059 --> 01:06:39,096 Salazar had his shot in court. 1030 01:06:39,129 --> 01:06:41,265 We're appealing. 1031 01:06:41,298 --> 01:06:43,967 That's all we can do at this point. 1032 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,735 It's in the hands of the criminal justice 1033 01:06:45,769 --> 01:06:51,175 system of the state of Arizona. 1034 01:06:51,208 --> 01:06:52,742 You know, I'm going to be glad 1035 01:06:52,776 --> 01:06:54,944 when this appeal goes nowhere so this town can 1036 01:06:54,978 --> 01:06:56,413 start going somewhere again. 1037 01:07:07,724 --> 01:07:10,194 You know, if you'd been a reporter like me 1038 01:07:10,227 --> 01:07:13,230 in an inner city, you've seen murders. 1039 01:07:13,263 --> 01:07:15,232 I mean, you've seen murders of every type. 1040 01:07:15,265 --> 01:07:18,368 I can tell you in a second, gangland shot, 1041 01:07:18,402 --> 01:07:20,670 you know, personal shot, in terms of, you know, 1042 01:07:20,704 --> 01:07:22,439 two different people who know each other. 1043 01:07:22,472 --> 01:07:24,741 I can tell you how a person died. 1044 01:07:24,774 --> 01:07:29,579 Murders have signatures. 1045 01:07:29,613 --> 01:07:33,850 So who had the resources, the weapons, the political will, 1046 01:07:33,883 --> 01:07:38,054 the anger, the motive to carry out the single-night massacre 1047 01:07:38,088 --> 01:07:40,056 of an entire town? 1048 01:07:40,090 --> 01:07:44,994 It's a familiar story we've seen played out time and time again. 1049 01:07:45,028 --> 01:07:46,130 It's not smoke and mirrors. 1050 01:07:46,163 --> 01:07:51,635 It's desert, sand, hate, and fear. 1051 01:07:55,772 --> 01:08:00,344 Nat Turner, the Scottsboro Boys, the Tulsa race riots, 1052 01:08:00,377 --> 01:08:03,513 Zoot Suit Riots, Camp Grant Massacre, 1053 01:08:03,547 --> 01:08:06,283 Operation Wetback, Rodney King. 1054 01:08:17,961 --> 01:08:18,828 Sangre de Cristo. 1055 01:08:38,182 --> 01:08:40,417 This is the community that we are. 1056 01:08:40,450 --> 01:08:44,921 We do take an eye for an eye, because not only is that fair, 1057 01:08:44,954 --> 01:08:47,457 that's our God-given right. 1058 01:08:47,491 --> 01:08:51,127 And we will be watching the border for all future Salazars. 1059 01:08:51,161 --> 01:09:00,170 God bless America, my home, sweet home. 1060 01:09:01,037 --> 01:09:03,173 They don't care who you are. 1061 01:09:03,207 --> 01:09:07,444 They don't care what you do. 1062 01:09:07,477 --> 01:09:10,580 They'd basically rather shoot you 1063 01:09:10,614 --> 01:09:15,885 than-- than give you a dollar. 1064 01:09:15,919 --> 01:09:18,688 The Great Wall of America between us and Mexico, I 1065 01:09:18,722 --> 01:09:20,457 don't hear them trying to build that wall 1066 01:09:20,490 --> 01:09:22,058 between here and Canada. 1067 01:09:22,091 --> 01:09:23,660 And they're not saying somebody-- 1068 01:09:23,693 --> 01:09:28,031 some Canuck is coming down and killing people up in Michigan. 1069 01:09:28,064 --> 01:09:32,101 There's a lot more Salazars out there-- more Ramirez, 1070 01:09:32,135 --> 01:09:35,305 more Sanchezes, more Carloses. 1071 01:09:35,339 --> 01:09:40,510 But make no mistake-- it's a matter of when, not if. 1072 01:09:40,544 --> 01:09:44,714 Basically, there's 100,000 that try to come across, 1073 01:09:44,748 --> 01:09:48,418 and there's only maybe 1,000 border patrol. 1074 01:09:48,452 --> 01:09:50,420 They ain't going to get everybody. 1075 01:10:02,932 --> 01:10:05,369 You know, maybe we've just got our priorities 1076 01:10:05,402 --> 01:10:08,972 right here in Arizona. 1077 01:10:09,005 --> 01:10:13,777 A lot of our people have been waiting a long time for this. 1078 01:10:13,810 --> 01:10:16,380 I'm also proud that this state is carrying out 1079 01:10:16,413 --> 01:10:19,249 Salazar's sentence in half the time it took to do 1080 01:10:19,283 --> 01:10:20,784 the same to Timothy McVeigh. 1081 01:10:30,594 --> 01:10:33,963 At 12:05 AM Arizona time-- not bleeding 1082 01:10:33,997 --> 01:10:37,467 liberal time, not East Coast wine and cheese 1083 01:10:37,501 --> 01:10:41,004 time, not West Coast free drugs time-- 1084 01:10:41,037 --> 01:10:43,873 American justice was served. 1085 01:10:43,907 --> 01:10:46,175 No more lawyers' appeals. 1086 01:10:46,209 --> 01:10:48,312 No more bills. 1087 01:10:48,345 --> 01:10:52,115 No more three square meals a day. 1088 01:10:52,148 --> 01:10:54,584 No more excuses. 1089 01:10:54,618 --> 01:10:55,919 And no more fear, my friends. 1090 01:11:07,764 --> 01:11:11,267 Francisco was the only witness to what happened that night. 1091 01:11:11,301 --> 01:11:13,970 And the court killed his photographs. 1092 01:11:14,003 --> 01:11:15,839 And then the state killed him. 1093 01:11:45,935 --> 01:11:49,773 Do you know where Salazar gets buried? 1094 01:11:49,806 --> 01:11:54,411 He gets buried right here, in the state of Arizona! 1095 01:11:54,444 --> 01:11:57,447 He must be pretty pleased with himself. 1096 01:11:57,481 --> 01:12:01,885 He snuck in here, he hid here, he killed here, 1097 01:12:01,918 --> 01:12:04,120 he's executed here. 1098 01:12:04,153 --> 01:12:07,391 But even in death, he manages to avoid being deported. 1099 01:12:12,562 --> 01:12:14,230 Except they got it all wrong. 1100 01:12:14,263 --> 01:12:17,667 This doesn't end with the execution of Francisco Salazar. 1101 01:12:17,701 --> 01:12:20,804 Francisco Salazar's photos don't end with Francisco Salazar. 1102 01:12:26,042 --> 01:12:27,343 I wish I was there. 1103 01:12:27,377 --> 01:12:29,679 I wish I had been the guy behind the camera. 1104 01:12:29,713 --> 01:12:32,015 Why did Francisco take the photos? 1105 01:12:32,048 --> 01:12:33,583 I don't know. 1106 01:12:33,617 --> 01:12:35,552 Maybe he thought he was going to die like everybody else. 1107 01:12:35,585 --> 01:12:37,120 Why the hell not? 1108 01:12:37,153 --> 01:12:38,688 At least leave something behind. 1109 01:12:38,722 --> 01:12:42,058 Leave some record behind so he didn't die for nothing. 1110 01:12:42,091 --> 01:12:44,861 There's a piece of history left. 1111 01:12:44,894 --> 01:12:49,999 And if you're going to go out, go out with something of value. 1112 01:12:50,033 --> 01:12:51,501 Do something. 1113 01:12:51,535 --> 01:12:53,637 Make your death count for something. 1114 01:12:59,476 --> 01:13:01,945 The photos show us the truth. 1115 01:13:01,978 --> 01:13:04,681 The truth is that I'm the one who found the photos. 1116 01:13:04,714 --> 01:13:07,417 I'm the one who released them. 1117 01:13:07,451 --> 01:13:11,555 Ross found the truth, but he couldn't see it. 1118 01:13:11,588 --> 01:13:13,923 He got scared. 1119 01:13:13,957 --> 01:13:19,529 I don't blame him. 1120 01:13:19,563 --> 01:13:22,566 As a journalist, I deal in facts, not speculation. 1121 01:13:22,599 --> 01:13:25,635 And the facts are that Francisco recorded whatever moved 1122 01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:26,970 through that town that night. 1123 01:13:27,003 --> 01:13:29,739 And that was the only real evidence. 1124 01:13:29,773 --> 01:13:33,610 And the local will to investigate was nonexistent. 1125 01:13:33,643 --> 01:13:35,612 So the photos exist in a vacuum. 1126 01:13:35,645 --> 01:13:37,046 I think a lot of people 1127 01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,616 will sleep better at night believing that they are 1128 01:13:39,649 --> 01:13:42,051 Photoshopped than believing they are seeing something 1129 01:13:42,085 --> 01:13:43,553 that is actually happening. 1130 01:13:51,728 --> 01:13:57,000 There's no going back to normal. 1131 01:13:57,033 --> 01:14:04,273 Because normal doesn't exist anymore. 1132 01:14:04,307 --> 01:14:09,746 There were no masks, no cartels, no mob of illegals at night. 1133 01:14:09,779 --> 01:14:11,447 The photos do tell us something. 1134 01:14:11,481 --> 01:14:12,982 They're numbered. 1135 01:14:13,016 --> 01:14:15,585 Number one was taken from the southern watch 1136 01:14:15,619 --> 01:14:22,025 in the foothills, number 36 at the schoolhouse. 1137 01:14:22,058 --> 01:14:25,228 When you look at the crime scene, the police reports, 1138 01:14:25,261 --> 01:14:28,998 the layout of the town, you realize that this carnage 1139 01:14:29,032 --> 01:14:30,834 wasn't random. 1140 01:14:30,867 --> 01:14:34,203 It was just so huge that nobody could see the bigger picture. 1141 01:14:40,109 --> 01:14:43,680 They were always heading in one direction. 1142 01:14:51,487 --> 01:14:52,956 They were heading north. 1143 01:15:05,101 --> 01:15:08,004 Have you ever actually seen the border fence? 1144 01:15:08,037 --> 01:15:12,375 It's 20 feet high, corrugated steel, 1145 01:15:12,408 --> 01:15:15,044 razor wire in some places. 1146 01:15:15,078 --> 01:15:18,014 Anyone with any regard for human life 1147 01:15:18,047 --> 01:15:21,818 would stay the hell away from that fence. 1148 01:15:21,851 --> 01:15:24,888 Do you own a gun? 1149 01:15:24,921 --> 01:15:26,089 I do. 1150 01:15:26,122 --> 01:15:27,857 And ever since that-- I've seen these photographs, 1151 01:15:27,891 --> 01:15:29,826 I've been sleeping with it under my pillow. 1152 01:15:34,564 --> 01:15:36,165 This is a cruel land 1153 01:15:36,199 --> 01:15:39,068 where death is a certainty. 1154 01:15:39,102 --> 01:15:40,103 We grow up with it. 1155 01:15:40,136 --> 01:15:41,204 We accept it. 1156 01:15:41,237 --> 01:15:42,906 You know what made my morning? 1157 01:15:42,939 --> 01:15:45,675 Hearing that some group of unknown patriots 1158 01:15:45,709 --> 01:15:49,946 found where Salazar's grave was and dug it up. 1159 01:15:49,979 --> 01:15:52,215 The body's gone, my friends. 1160 01:15:52,248 --> 01:15:53,149 And good riddance. 1161 01:16:33,522 --> 01:16:36,025 Seven weeks after Salazar's execution, 1162 01:16:36,059 --> 01:16:37,827 the mutilated remains of two campers 1163 01:16:37,861 --> 01:16:41,798 were found in the Tonto National Forest, 115 miles 1164 01:16:41,831 --> 01:16:46,870 north of Sangre de Cristo. 1165 01:16:46,903 --> 01:16:49,305 Five unexplained deaths in Sitgreaves. 1166 01:16:49,338 --> 01:16:53,977 Multiple attacks in Ajo, Callente, Willcox to the east. 1167 01:16:54,010 --> 01:16:57,981 Hilldale was the first town in Utah-- 12 dead. 1168 01:16:58,014 --> 01:17:01,217 The same patterns emerging east to Juarez. 1169 01:17:01,250 --> 01:17:06,022 Up into New Mexico in Alamogordo, five dead. 1170 01:17:06,055 --> 01:17:10,193 In Trevino Ranch, three dead, nine unaccounted. 1171 01:17:45,862 --> 01:17:47,931 the hell is this? 1172 01:17:47,953 --> 01:18:20,953 Farid Morocco 89486

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