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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,166 --> 00:00:10,333 Our candidate for president, Charles Lindbergh. 2 00:00:11,208 --> 00:00:12,583 CHARLES LINDBERGH: The Jewish people are pushing 3 00:00:12,667 --> 00:00:14,625 the United States into this new war. 4 00:00:14,709 --> 00:00:15,959 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 5 00:00:16,291 --> 00:00:17,792 HERMAN LEVIN: Lindbergh wants to be another little Hitler himself. 6 00:00:18,375 --> 00:00:19,583 This is my country! 7 00:00:20,250 --> 00:00:21,542 BESS LEVIN: Not anymore! 8 00:00:23,750 --> 00:00:24,875 It's their country. 9 00:00:27,583 --> 00:00:28,959 ♪ (MUSIC INTENSIFIES) ♪ 10 00:00:31,625 --> 00:00:33,291 We only think we're American. 11 00:00:34,583 --> 00:00:36,041 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,625 WOMAN: The bodies were adding up. 13 00:00:43,709 --> 00:00:45,750 There were hundreds of suspects. 14 00:00:46,166 --> 00:00:49,542 MAN: He was the connection between all of these victims. 15 00:00:49,750 --> 00:00:52,291 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 16 00:00:52,375 --> 00:00:54,959 WOMAN 2: Wayne Williams saw himself as a crime reporter. 17 00:00:55,250 --> 00:00:58,208 MAN 2: He would cover accidents, murders even. 18 00:00:58,291 --> 00:01:00,250 He's smart. He's like a nerd. 19 00:01:00,333 --> 00:01:03,417 Did Wayne Williams kill anyone? We don't know. 20 00:01:03,500 --> 00:01:05,959 WAYNE WILLIAMS: This isn't just about me clearing my name. 21 00:01:06,041 --> 00:01:08,417 This is about getting some justice. 22 00:01:08,875 --> 00:01:10,417 God willing, let's make it happen. 23 00:01:10,500 --> 00:01:11,500 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 24 00:01:12,291 --> 00:01:13,709 [TV static drones] 25 00:01:13,792 --> 00:01:15,792 [bright tone] 26 00:01:23,125 --> 00:01:26,125 ["Save Me" by Joan Armatrading playing] 27 00:01:26,208 --> 00:01:27,417 ♪ ♪ 28 00:01:27,500 --> 00:01:30,583 - ♪ Sinking ♪ 29 00:01:30,667 --> 00:01:35,291 ♪ Caught up in a whirling motion ♪ 30 00:01:35,375 --> 00:01:39,125 ♪ Such a strange sensation ♪ 31 00:01:39,208 --> 00:01:42,667 ♪ ♪ 32 00:01:42,750 --> 00:01:47,291 ♪ The currents uncertain ♪ 33 00:01:47,375 --> 00:01:51,125 ♪ Like sails of a mill, I spin ♪ 34 00:01:53,125 --> 00:01:56,083 ♪ Like wheels, I move in a circle ♪ 35 00:01:56,166 --> 00:01:59,083 ♪ While you stand ♪ 36 00:01:59,166 --> 00:02:02,083 ♪ On the bank ♪ 37 00:02:02,166 --> 00:02:07,000 ♪ Immune or evasive ♪ 38 00:02:07,083 --> 00:02:09,000 ♪ Throw me a lifeline ♪ 39 00:02:09,083 --> 00:02:12,125 ♪ Save me ♪ 40 00:02:12,208 --> 00:02:13,583 ♪ ♪ 41 00:02:13,667 --> 00:02:18,417 ♪ Save me ♪ 42 00:02:18,500 --> 00:02:23,250 ♪ ♪ 43 00:02:23,333 --> 00:02:26,750 [ominous music] 44 00:02:26,834 --> 00:02:33,750 ♪ ♪ 45 00:02:33,834 --> 00:02:36,458 - Another major story we're following tonight. 46 00:02:36,542 --> 00:02:38,291 A stunning turn of events as families 47 00:02:38,375 --> 00:02:42,041 of the Atlanta Child Murders gather to talk about the case. 48 00:02:42,125 --> 00:02:43,959 - The prime suspect called in from prison 49 00:02:44,041 --> 00:02:45,792 and maintained his innocence. 50 00:02:45,875 --> 00:02:48,166 This all happened with victims' families 51 00:02:48,250 --> 00:02:49,750 right there in the room. 52 00:02:59,417 --> 00:03:02,417 [indistinct chatter] 53 00:03:04,250 --> 00:03:06,625 - I'm Lou Arcangeli. - Jarvis Miller. 54 00:03:06,709 --> 00:03:07,959 - Jarvis? - Miller. 55 00:03:08,041 --> 00:03:09,709 - Miller. Hello, Mr. Miller. 56 00:03:09,792 --> 00:03:14,166 I really hate that they let Wayne Williams... 57 00:03:14,250 --> 00:03:16,291 tease us and taunt us. 58 00:03:16,375 --> 00:03:20,000 Every level of jurisprudence has reviewed this case 59 00:03:20,083 --> 00:03:24,542 multiple times, and they've always found he's guilty. 60 00:03:24,625 --> 00:03:27,834 - I have half of APD's case files... 61 00:03:27,917 --> 00:03:29,041 - Okay. 62 00:03:29,125 --> 00:03:32,875 - And over 16 kids had at least one Caucasian hair 63 00:03:32,959 --> 00:03:34,208 on their body somewhere. 64 00:03:34,291 --> 00:03:35,542 That don't mean the person killed 'em... 65 00:03:35,625 --> 00:03:37,375 - No. - But someone else could have 66 00:03:37,458 --> 00:03:38,542 been the killer. 67 00:03:38,625 --> 00:03:40,375 - Mr. Miller, you raise good points. 68 00:03:40,458 --> 00:03:43,500 It's just that the jury found it overwhelming. 69 00:03:43,583 --> 00:03:45,542 - Well, we stick there-- we considered the time... 70 00:03:45,625 --> 00:03:47,208 it was a very, very different time, 71 00:03:47,291 --> 00:03:49,542 and the culture of the city was very, very different. 72 00:03:49,625 --> 00:03:51,500 - Agreed. - I'm just saying, 73 00:03:51,583 --> 00:03:53,709 we have to--we have to count that in, 74 00:03:53,792 --> 00:03:56,250 that the culture of the time was very, very different. 75 00:03:57,458 --> 00:04:00,542 [dramatic music] 76 00:04:00,625 --> 00:04:03,166 - They feel that these black children 77 00:04:03,250 --> 00:04:05,500 are not important! 78 00:04:05,583 --> 00:04:08,083 But I firmly believe 79 00:04:08,166 --> 00:04:10,667 at the root of it all is racism. 80 00:04:10,750 --> 00:04:14,166 [crowd murmuring] 81 00:04:14,250 --> 00:04:17,917 - In 1981, the image of Atlanta was 82 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,583 being transmitted globally around the world, 83 00:04:20,667 --> 00:04:23,250 and the only thing people heard about Atlanta was 84 00:04:23,333 --> 00:04:26,083 "children are dying," "children are dying." 85 00:04:26,166 --> 00:04:28,458 People all over the world began to say, 86 00:04:28,542 --> 00:04:31,041 "What in the world are you all doing? 87 00:04:31,125 --> 00:04:34,291 "How can you not protect our children 88 00:04:34,375 --> 00:04:37,291 "in a community with these black elected officials, 89 00:04:37,375 --> 00:04:40,583 "a black mayor, black chief of police? 90 00:04:40,667 --> 00:04:43,041 What in the world are you all doing in Atlanta?" 91 00:04:43,125 --> 00:04:44,750 ♪ ♪ 92 00:04:44,834 --> 00:04:47,333 - Patrick Rogers' death has hit his family hard. 93 00:04:47,417 --> 00:04:48,959 Seven-year-old Isaac Rogers, 94 00:04:49,041 --> 00:04:51,041 who nicknamed his brother "Pat-man," 95 00:04:51,125 --> 00:04:53,083 was the last to see him alive. 96 00:04:54,875 --> 00:04:56,166 - I was seven years old at the time. 97 00:04:56,250 --> 00:04:59,125 So now my brother, he's gone, 98 00:04:59,208 --> 00:05:01,291 my mother is a wreck, 99 00:05:01,375 --> 00:05:02,250 and they haven't caught 100 00:05:02,333 --> 00:05:03,792 this person. 101 00:05:03,875 --> 00:05:06,250 And there was this one time we decided to go 102 00:05:06,333 --> 00:05:08,458 to Miss Willie Mae's house to get some junk food. 103 00:05:08,542 --> 00:05:11,125 We came out of Miss Willie Mae's apartment, 104 00:05:11,208 --> 00:05:13,959 and right as I stepped down on the first step, 105 00:05:14,041 --> 00:05:15,500 there's a grown man. 106 00:05:15,583 --> 00:05:17,000 I have never seen him before, 107 00:05:17,083 --> 00:05:19,166 and he's looking up the stairs at us, 108 00:05:19,250 --> 00:05:23,750 and he starts to come up the stairs slow, deliberate. 109 00:05:23,834 --> 00:05:25,125 And so I turn around, 110 00:05:25,208 --> 00:05:27,166 and I rush back to Miss Willie Mae's door. 111 00:05:27,250 --> 00:05:31,500 Had Miss Willie Mae been 10 seconds, 20 seconds later 112 00:05:31,583 --> 00:05:33,709 in opening that door, my mother would have had 113 00:05:33,792 --> 00:05:36,333 two kids murdered by this guy. 114 00:05:36,417 --> 00:05:38,375 ♪ ♪ 115 00:05:38,458 --> 00:05:40,208 - I remember driving home one night and saying, 116 00:05:40,291 --> 00:05:42,208 "This is scary. 117 00:05:42,291 --> 00:05:45,667 I mean, he's out there. No one has a clue." 118 00:05:45,750 --> 00:05:47,709 [foreboding music] 119 00:05:47,792 --> 00:05:48,834 You know, I could count. 120 00:05:48,917 --> 00:05:50,333 I said, "It's eight days since the last victim. 121 00:05:50,417 --> 00:05:52,125 We're gonna have one next two--one or two days." 122 00:05:52,208 --> 00:05:53,834 Sure enough, kid goes missing, 123 00:05:53,917 --> 00:05:55,542 couple days later, the body found. 124 00:05:55,625 --> 00:06:02,417 ♪ ♪ 125 00:06:08,583 --> 00:06:10,709 - When I started with the task force, 126 00:06:10,792 --> 00:06:12,834 these were clearly... 127 00:06:12,917 --> 00:06:14,166 dumped cases. 128 00:06:14,250 --> 00:06:15,166 They were victims 129 00:06:15,250 --> 00:06:16,417 who were placed. 130 00:06:16,500 --> 00:06:19,041 So doesn't look like we're gonna find 131 00:06:19,125 --> 00:06:22,083 shoe prints and tire prints or fingerprints. 132 00:06:23,750 --> 00:06:25,500 So trace evidence on the victims 133 00:06:25,583 --> 00:06:29,250 was gonna be a critical aspect of the investigation, 134 00:06:29,333 --> 00:06:30,875 because they might reveal 135 00:06:30,959 --> 00:06:33,375 the most recent place the victims were 136 00:06:33,458 --> 00:06:34,917 before they were killed. 137 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,083 - Criminologists at the State Crime Lab 138 00:06:37,166 --> 00:06:40,709 compare and match fibers, rope or fabric, for instance, 139 00:06:40,792 --> 00:06:42,542 from different sources 140 00:06:42,625 --> 00:06:44,709 and are working under the assumption 141 00:06:44,792 --> 00:06:49,000 the fibers could be the first link with a suspect. 142 00:06:49,083 --> 00:06:52,041 Sources tell us the crime lab now has possession of 143 00:06:52,125 --> 00:06:53,542 all the clothing found with the children 144 00:06:53,625 --> 00:06:55,375 on the task force list. 145 00:06:55,458 --> 00:06:58,291 - I started finding dog hair, 146 00:06:58,375 --> 00:07:00,583 violet acetate fibers, 147 00:07:00,667 --> 00:07:02,917 and also these unusual, 148 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,208 distinctive green carpet fibers 149 00:07:05,291 --> 00:07:07,917 showing up on multiple victims. 150 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,083 I grew in confidence that they were important. 151 00:07:11,166 --> 00:07:12,417 - Larry said, 152 00:07:12,500 --> 00:07:13,709 "If you find this environment, 153 00:07:13,792 --> 00:07:15,500 you have found your killer." 154 00:07:16,667 --> 00:07:18,500 - There was a point where the paper published 155 00:07:18,583 --> 00:07:21,917 a story saying the task force had recovered 156 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,625 hair and fiber evidence. 157 00:07:24,709 --> 00:07:26,917 And then after that, 158 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,083 victims started showing up in rivers. 159 00:07:30,166 --> 00:07:31,709 This was evidence 160 00:07:31,792 --> 00:07:34,375 that there was potentially 161 00:07:34,458 --> 00:07:36,542 a single murderer. 162 00:07:36,625 --> 00:07:38,750 - Joseph Bell, Curtis Walker, 163 00:07:38,834 --> 00:07:40,458 and Aaron Jackson were found 164 00:07:40,542 --> 00:07:42,667 in or near the South River. 165 00:07:42,750 --> 00:07:44,792 Patrick Rogers, Eddie Duncan, 166 00:07:44,875 --> 00:07:45,917 and Timothy Hill 167 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,125 were all found in the Chattahoochee River. 168 00:07:48,208 --> 00:07:50,959 Theory: water washes away any evidence 169 00:07:51,041 --> 00:07:53,458 and no crime scene can be established. 170 00:07:53,542 --> 00:07:55,166 [grim music] 171 00:07:55,250 --> 00:07:56,959 - The fear was palpable, 172 00:07:57,041 --> 00:08:00,125 because at that point, we knew he was reacting 173 00:08:00,208 --> 00:08:02,000 to what he was reading. 174 00:08:02,083 --> 00:08:03,667 And then I realized we're dealing with 175 00:08:03,750 --> 00:08:05,000 a single killer that-- 176 00:08:05,083 --> 00:08:07,834 'cause he is--he's playing a game with us. 177 00:08:08,834 --> 00:08:10,792 - He appeared to be learning. 178 00:08:10,875 --> 00:08:14,875 This was a killer whose behaviors changed 179 00:08:14,959 --> 00:08:17,125 based on experience, 180 00:08:17,208 --> 00:08:21,667 and then the victims got older as time went on. 181 00:08:21,750 --> 00:08:23,458 - From the time the murders began 182 00:08:23,542 --> 00:08:25,208 in July of 1979, 183 00:08:25,291 --> 00:08:27,875 the victims were all under the age of 16. 184 00:08:27,959 --> 00:08:30,667 In the last month, that common characteristic 185 00:08:30,750 --> 00:08:32,166 has undergone a change: 186 00:08:32,250 --> 00:08:34,709 all have been considerably older. 187 00:08:34,792 --> 00:08:38,166 ♪ ♪ 188 00:08:38,250 --> 00:08:40,709 - Most of the serial killers that we know of 189 00:08:40,792 --> 00:08:42,709 did change along the way. 190 00:08:42,792 --> 00:08:45,500 ♪ ♪ 191 00:08:45,583 --> 00:08:48,166 The MO changes because it has to 192 00:08:48,250 --> 00:08:50,333 for him to do the crime. 193 00:08:50,417 --> 00:08:53,166 They're always moving... 194 00:08:53,250 --> 00:08:56,000 more and more violent. 195 00:08:56,083 --> 00:08:57,625 Always. 196 00:09:00,333 --> 00:09:03,041 - Jimmy Payne's body was found late yesterday afternoon 197 00:09:03,125 --> 00:09:04,166 in the Chattahoochee River. 198 00:09:04,250 --> 00:09:06,041 just north of Bankhead Highway. 199 00:09:06,125 --> 00:09:08,083 He is the fifth victim to be discovered 200 00:09:08,166 --> 00:09:10,000 in the Chattahoochee. 201 00:09:10,083 --> 00:09:12,709 - Another similarity in many of these cases: 202 00:09:12,792 --> 00:09:15,750 few clues and a lot of dead ends. 203 00:09:15,834 --> 00:09:18,166 [cameras snapping] 204 00:09:18,250 --> 00:09:19,583 - My initial thought was, 205 00:09:19,667 --> 00:09:22,000 "If I were trying to get rid of a body, 206 00:09:22,083 --> 00:09:23,709 "the last thing I'd wanna do is 207 00:09:23,792 --> 00:09:25,417 "drive down to the bank 208 00:09:25,500 --> 00:09:26,542 of the river." 209 00:09:26,625 --> 00:09:28,667 [somber music] 210 00:09:28,750 --> 00:09:30,750 You could leave tire tracks. You could get seen. 211 00:09:30,834 --> 00:09:32,583 You could get stuck. 212 00:09:33,417 --> 00:09:36,625 I said, "I'll bet you that I would drop 'em off a bridge." 213 00:09:37,792 --> 00:09:40,041 Pull up, get out, drop. 214 00:09:40,125 --> 00:09:41,834 Three seconds later, I'm back in the car. 215 00:09:41,917 --> 00:09:43,166 I'm gone. 216 00:09:43,250 --> 00:09:45,083 And I said, "We should set up our surveillance 217 00:09:45,166 --> 00:09:46,417 on the bridge." 218 00:09:47,333 --> 00:09:50,917 - Agent Mike McComas said, "We wanna watch the bridges. 219 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,291 We think he's throwing the body off the bridges." 220 00:09:52,375 --> 00:09:53,667 And I looked at him, and I said, 221 00:09:53,750 --> 00:09:55,083 "Are you guys crazy? 222 00:09:55,166 --> 00:09:57,250 "Do you know how many bridges there are in Atlanta? 223 00:09:57,333 --> 00:09:58,417 "There's hundreds. 224 00:09:58,500 --> 00:10:00,625 How you know you're gonna have the right bridge?" 225 00:10:00,709 --> 00:10:02,000 And then they said, 226 00:10:02,083 --> 00:10:04,250 "Do you have a better idea, dumbass?" 227 00:10:04,333 --> 00:10:06,875 And I said to them, "No, I don't, right now." 228 00:10:06,959 --> 00:10:08,208 I said, "Go for it." 229 00:10:09,250 --> 00:10:10,583 We said, "Let's try it for 30 days. 230 00:10:10,667 --> 00:10:12,750 We got nothing to lose. We got nothing else going." 231 00:10:12,834 --> 00:10:15,875 [suspenseful music] 232 00:10:15,959 --> 00:10:18,625 - We had 14 bridges under surveillance. 233 00:10:19,959 --> 00:10:21,917 And we were using police recruits 234 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,291 under the bridge. 235 00:10:23,375 --> 00:10:26,041 ♪ ♪ 236 00:10:26,125 --> 00:10:28,917 - You had an officer on each end 237 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,500 and officers down below the bridge, next to the river. 238 00:10:31,583 --> 00:10:33,375 ♪ ♪ 239 00:10:33,458 --> 00:10:36,166 - And the FBI was serving as the chase vehicles 240 00:10:36,250 --> 00:10:37,250 on top of the bridges. 241 00:10:37,333 --> 00:10:39,792 ♪ ♪ 242 00:10:39,875 --> 00:10:45,500 - We burned somewhere around 140 to 145 people per night. 243 00:10:45,583 --> 00:10:48,000 ♪ ♪ 244 00:10:48,083 --> 00:10:51,291 - It was decided that this particular weekend 245 00:10:51,375 --> 00:10:54,959 will be the last week that we were going to keep 246 00:10:55,041 --> 00:10:56,250 the bridges under surveillance. 247 00:10:56,333 --> 00:10:58,417 [eerie music] 248 00:10:58,500 --> 00:11:02,208 - That night, I was at the southernmost bridge. 249 00:11:03,542 --> 00:11:05,291 I was down there with a SWAT team guy 250 00:11:05,375 --> 00:11:06,834 with Atlanta PD. 251 00:11:06,917 --> 00:11:10,834 ♪ ♪ 252 00:11:10,917 --> 00:11:12,959 I remember sitting in the car. 253 00:11:13,041 --> 00:11:14,500 The radio squelch broke, 254 00:11:14,583 --> 00:11:16,041 and I heard something about a splash. 255 00:11:16,125 --> 00:11:17,959 And of course, my ears perk up, 256 00:11:18,041 --> 00:11:19,166 and I start playing with the radio, 257 00:11:19,250 --> 00:11:21,625 see what I can get, turn the volume up a little bit. 258 00:11:21,709 --> 00:11:23,041 - Ready at a 502. 259 00:11:24,750 --> 00:11:27,083 - The guys below hear a huge splash. 260 00:11:28,542 --> 00:11:29,834 - It was 3:00 in the morning, 261 00:11:29,917 --> 00:11:31,834 and you hear, "whoosh." 262 00:11:31,917 --> 00:11:34,208 [haunting music] 263 00:11:34,291 --> 00:11:35,625 - And then they looked up on the bridge, 264 00:11:35,709 --> 00:11:37,250 and they can see headlights. 265 00:11:38,083 --> 00:11:41,333 They're moving very slowly, were just starting to move. 266 00:11:41,417 --> 00:11:44,834 ♪ ♪ 267 00:11:44,917 --> 00:11:47,208 - I hollered over to the Atlanta SWAT guy, 268 00:11:47,291 --> 00:11:48,291 "Get in the car, man. 269 00:11:48,375 --> 00:11:49,750 We need to run north real quick." 270 00:11:51,083 --> 00:11:52,792 I'm going up 285 North... 271 00:11:54,667 --> 00:11:56,208 And I look over on the southbound side 272 00:11:56,291 --> 00:11:57,250 on the ramp. 273 00:11:58,625 --> 00:12:00,709 And somebody's got lit up. There's a lot of blue lights. 274 00:12:00,792 --> 00:12:03,542 I pulled in front, and I walked back. 275 00:12:03,625 --> 00:12:05,083 I said, "What's going on?" 276 00:12:06,125 --> 00:12:08,125 They had already pulled someone over. 277 00:12:09,291 --> 00:12:11,000 I see his license. 278 00:12:11,083 --> 00:12:13,000 He was 23 years old, 279 00:12:13,083 --> 00:12:15,125 and his name was Wayne Williams. 280 00:12:16,458 --> 00:12:19,458 [indistinct chatter] 281 00:12:27,041 --> 00:12:28,041 - Hey. - Hello, gentlemen. 282 00:12:28,125 --> 00:12:29,208 How are you? - How are you doing? 283 00:12:29,291 --> 00:12:30,500 All righty. 284 00:12:30,583 --> 00:12:32,166 - [clears throat] 285 00:12:34,375 --> 00:12:35,667 [clears throat, sniffs] 286 00:12:35,750 --> 00:12:39,083 There was never any incident on the bridge. 287 00:12:39,166 --> 00:12:41,041 I never stopped on the bridge. 288 00:12:41,125 --> 00:12:42,208 I never threw anything 289 00:12:42,291 --> 00:12:43,375 off the bridge, 290 00:12:43,458 --> 00:12:47,875 and nobody ever testified that I did. 291 00:12:47,959 --> 00:12:49,583 - There was maybe three or four cars, 292 00:12:49,667 --> 00:12:51,291 plus Wayne Williams' car. 293 00:12:51,375 --> 00:12:53,583 I pulled around 'em and pulled in front. 294 00:12:53,667 --> 00:12:55,291 First thing out of my mouth was--I said, 295 00:12:55,375 --> 00:12:57,125 "Do you--do you know why we pulled you over?" 296 00:12:57,208 --> 00:12:59,041 And he goes, "Yeah, it's got something to do with 297 00:12:59,125 --> 00:13:00,417 those missing kids." 298 00:13:00,500 --> 00:13:02,917 And then immediately out of his mouth, he said, 299 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,083 "Yeah, you know, um, Channel 2..." 300 00:13:06,166 --> 00:13:09,709 he says, "They're covering this really well." 301 00:13:09,792 --> 00:13:11,083 And I thought, "How strange." 302 00:13:11,166 --> 00:13:13,375 He said, "I'm a talent scout, 303 00:13:13,458 --> 00:13:15,166 and I have an early morning appointment"-- 304 00:13:15,250 --> 00:13:16,792 like 7:00 or 8:00-- 305 00:13:16,875 --> 00:13:21,083 "with Cheryl Johnson over at Spanish Trace Apartments." 306 00:13:21,166 --> 00:13:24,959 He said, "I'm out here trying to find her apartment." 307 00:13:25,041 --> 00:13:27,500 [dramatic music] 308 00:13:27,583 --> 00:13:29,417 That just wasn't believable. 309 00:13:29,500 --> 00:13:30,917 Who goes out at 3:00 in the morning 310 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,417 for a four-hour--an appointment four hours later 311 00:13:33,500 --> 00:13:35,959 just to ensure that he's not late? 312 00:13:36,041 --> 00:13:37,959 Just didn't cut it with me. 313 00:13:38,041 --> 00:13:40,625 - Two more cars of plainclothes officers 314 00:13:40,709 --> 00:13:41,625 came on the scene, 315 00:13:41,709 --> 00:13:43,667 and I recognized Captain Spence. 316 00:13:43,750 --> 00:13:44,959 He was, at the time, 317 00:13:45,041 --> 00:13:47,834 head of Atlanta police SWAT team. 318 00:13:47,917 --> 00:13:48,959 He says, "I'm searching this car. 319 00:13:49,041 --> 00:13:50,000 You got a problem with it?" 320 00:13:50,083 --> 00:13:53,083 And I told him in no uncertain terms that 321 00:13:53,166 --> 00:13:55,125 he didn't have any permission to search my car. 322 00:13:55,208 --> 00:13:56,750 He informed he didn't need it. 323 00:13:56,834 --> 00:13:59,500 He was tired of my "S" and all this. 324 00:13:59,583 --> 00:14:03,000 He was dragging stuff all out on the seats and all. 325 00:14:03,083 --> 00:14:06,000 - I notice on the other side of Wayne was a pair of gloves. 326 00:14:06,083 --> 00:14:07,291 They were almost, like, 327 00:14:07,375 --> 00:14:09,750 suede-like gloves with wool liner, 328 00:14:09,834 --> 00:14:11,542 which I thought was just a little bit strange. 329 00:14:13,083 --> 00:14:14,166 - There was a set of gloves that stayed 330 00:14:14,250 --> 00:14:15,667 in the glove compartment all the time, 331 00:14:15,750 --> 00:14:16,917 and that's exactly where they were. 332 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,333 And the way they got on the front seat 333 00:14:18,417 --> 00:14:19,792 when the other officers found them, 334 00:14:19,875 --> 00:14:21,542 Carl Holden had gone in the glove compartment, 335 00:14:21,625 --> 00:14:22,542 pulled the gloves out, 336 00:14:22,625 --> 00:14:24,000 and left them on the front seat. 337 00:14:24,083 --> 00:14:26,333 So when the second set of officers came to do the search, 338 00:14:26,417 --> 00:14:27,959 the gloves were laying on the front seat. 339 00:14:28,041 --> 00:14:29,667 ♪ ♪ 340 00:14:29,750 --> 00:14:31,834 - As he gets out, I stepped to the back, 341 00:14:31,917 --> 00:14:34,000 and I see on the hump of the car, 342 00:14:34,083 --> 00:14:35,709 there was a nylon rope there 343 00:14:35,792 --> 00:14:37,542 that was like a ski rope. 344 00:14:37,625 --> 00:14:38,750 It was braided. 345 00:14:38,834 --> 00:14:41,083 ♪ ♪ 346 00:14:41,166 --> 00:14:42,500 - There's an embankment. 347 00:14:42,583 --> 00:14:44,583 They claim they found this wire, 348 00:14:44,667 --> 00:14:47,041 but that was a piece of wire, 349 00:14:47,125 --> 00:14:49,041 when they were looking around the area of the car, 350 00:14:49,125 --> 00:14:51,834 that was found up the embankment. 351 00:14:51,917 --> 00:14:53,709 And when he found it and picked it up, 352 00:14:53,792 --> 00:14:56,542 he said, "This would make a nice ligature, wouldn't it?" 353 00:14:56,625 --> 00:14:59,542 And I said, "Remember where you got that. 354 00:14:59,625 --> 00:15:02,208 It was here, not in the car." 355 00:15:02,291 --> 00:15:03,667 ♪ ♪ 356 00:15:03,750 --> 00:15:06,709 I could hear the helicopter searching the river, 357 00:15:06,792 --> 00:15:09,333 and also, they were calling for some boat team 358 00:15:09,417 --> 00:15:10,834 to put in the river. 359 00:15:10,917 --> 00:15:12,542 So I stayed there, waiting on them 360 00:15:12,625 --> 00:15:14,917 to finish their river search for about another hour 361 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,542 till finally, one of 'em called and said, 362 00:15:17,625 --> 00:15:19,333 you know, "Zero in the river." 363 00:15:19,417 --> 00:15:20,583 Whatever that means. 364 00:15:20,667 --> 00:15:22,125 [unsettling percussive music] 365 00:15:22,208 --> 00:15:24,875 - We carried it as far as we could. 366 00:15:24,959 --> 00:15:27,458 We had suspicious reason to stop him, 367 00:15:27,542 --> 00:15:31,583 but we really didn't have enough to arrest him. 368 00:15:31,667 --> 00:15:33,959 So I ask the other guys, "Are you through back there?" 369 00:15:34,041 --> 00:15:34,917 And they went, "Yeah, we're done." 370 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,000 I said, "Okay." 371 00:15:36,083 --> 00:15:38,583 So I said, "Okay, you're free to go." 372 00:15:38,667 --> 00:15:41,333 - The FBI made the decision not to arrest him, 373 00:15:41,417 --> 00:15:44,083 because if you arrest this guy, 374 00:15:44,166 --> 00:15:45,083 you have just said, 375 00:15:45,166 --> 00:15:46,625 "This is the Atlanta-- 376 00:15:46,709 --> 00:15:48,000 the child killer." 377 00:15:48,083 --> 00:15:49,875 And you better have it right. 378 00:15:51,083 --> 00:15:52,250 - And then Captain Spence said, 379 00:15:52,333 --> 00:15:53,417 "Well, I guess you can go." 380 00:15:53,500 --> 00:15:56,083 He said, "But I got you this time, little nigger." 381 00:15:56,166 --> 00:15:57,417 Quote, unquote. 382 00:15:57,500 --> 00:16:00,417 [rain pattering] 383 00:16:00,500 --> 00:16:02,125 [daunting music] 384 00:16:02,208 --> 00:16:03,417 - At first, we didn't think it was him, 385 00:16:03,500 --> 00:16:04,625 and we would honestly think 386 00:16:04,709 --> 00:16:08,000 we could pretty much wash him out as a suspect. 387 00:16:08,083 --> 00:16:09,625 Looks like a little nerd, 388 00:16:09,709 --> 00:16:11,166 standing at--he's only about 5'7". 389 00:16:11,250 --> 00:16:12,792 He's not very big in stature. 390 00:16:12,875 --> 00:16:16,000 Spectacles and his Afro, he looks like Urkel, 391 00:16:16,083 --> 00:16:17,792 completely nonthreatening, 392 00:16:17,875 --> 00:16:20,834 and I'm saying to myself, "Get him out of here." 393 00:16:20,917 --> 00:16:23,250 And then two days after the splash, 394 00:16:23,333 --> 00:16:25,625 the body of the last victim, Nathaniel Cater, 395 00:16:25,709 --> 00:16:27,959 washed up about a mile and a half, 396 00:16:28,041 --> 00:16:29,625 two miles south of the bridge. 397 00:16:29,709 --> 00:16:31,667 [solemn music] 398 00:16:33,041 --> 00:16:35,208 - Sunday, the oldest victim yet was found 399 00:16:35,291 --> 00:16:36,625 in the Chattahoochee River, 400 00:16:36,709 --> 00:16:38,166 but investigators still don't believe 401 00:16:38,250 --> 00:16:41,083 the murderer or murderers are choosing victims at random. 402 00:16:41,166 --> 00:16:42,875 - Cater died just a couple of weeks 403 00:16:42,959 --> 00:16:45,125 before his 28th birthday. 404 00:16:45,208 --> 00:16:46,500 He was found in the Chattahoochee, 405 00:16:46,583 --> 00:16:48,458 near the I-285 Bridge. 406 00:16:48,542 --> 00:16:50,500 He had been dead several days. 407 00:16:50,583 --> 00:16:52,750 ♪ ♪ 408 00:16:52,834 --> 00:16:54,375 - When the body of Nathaniel Cater 409 00:16:54,458 --> 00:16:56,417 washed up south of the bridge, 410 00:16:56,500 --> 00:16:59,166 we said, "I think Wayne Williams has a problem." 411 00:16:59,250 --> 00:17:00,667 And I said, "I think you're right." 412 00:17:00,750 --> 00:17:03,709 [dramatic music] 413 00:17:03,792 --> 00:17:09,625 ♪ ♪ 414 00:17:09,709 --> 00:17:13,000 - The FBI had developed really detailed profiles 415 00:17:13,083 --> 00:17:15,750 of what the suspect should be like. 416 00:17:17,166 --> 00:17:21,333 - One of the many profiles was of a single black male 417 00:17:21,417 --> 00:17:23,875 living with his parents. 418 00:17:23,959 --> 00:17:26,417 And they based that on victimology, 419 00:17:26,500 --> 00:17:29,417 studying the victims, the environment of the victims. 420 00:17:29,500 --> 00:17:31,458 ♪ ♪ 421 00:17:31,542 --> 00:17:33,542 - He would also be very conscious 422 00:17:33,625 --> 00:17:34,709 of the media coverage. 423 00:17:34,792 --> 00:17:36,834 He'd be very aware. 424 00:17:36,917 --> 00:17:38,667 He would be an ambulance chaser. 425 00:17:40,083 --> 00:17:41,542 And that was Wayne Williams. 426 00:17:41,625 --> 00:17:45,583 - And his car was all done up 427 00:17:45,667 --> 00:17:49,041 with lights and... 428 00:17:49,125 --> 00:17:50,542 it looked like a police car. 429 00:17:50,625 --> 00:17:52,917 ♪ ♪ 430 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,583 - Wayne had a police monitor in his car. 431 00:17:56,667 --> 00:17:57,583 People would say, 432 00:17:57,667 --> 00:17:58,583 "That's strange." 433 00:17:58,667 --> 00:17:59,583 Well, not if you're chasing 434 00:17:59,667 --> 00:18:00,709 news stories. 435 00:18:00,792 --> 00:18:03,250 Because he would listen to the police monitor, 436 00:18:03,333 --> 00:18:04,709 and when he heard something going off, 437 00:18:04,792 --> 00:18:07,250 he would jump in his car and take off flying 438 00:18:07,333 --> 00:18:08,917 with this big camera in the car 439 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,375 to go to try to get the news story. 440 00:18:11,458 --> 00:18:14,250 - It had been a detective car, had a scanner. 441 00:18:14,333 --> 00:18:16,417 There was a whip on the back and everything. 442 00:18:16,500 --> 00:18:18,417 And he put the blue lights back in, 443 00:18:18,500 --> 00:18:20,375 and he got arrested for having it. 444 00:18:20,458 --> 00:18:22,375 - Wayne was a police groupie. 445 00:18:22,458 --> 00:18:23,542 He would hang out 446 00:18:23,625 --> 00:18:24,917 with police officers. 447 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,583 ♪ ♪ 448 00:18:26,667 --> 00:18:29,250 He could easily have impersonated a police officer 449 00:18:29,333 --> 00:18:32,625 to overpower or to get these kids to get in his car. 450 00:18:32,709 --> 00:18:34,250 ♪ ♪ 451 00:18:34,333 --> 00:18:36,750 - We generated a list of 3,000 names, 452 00:18:36,834 --> 00:18:39,375 and the only criteria on the list was: 453 00:18:39,458 --> 00:18:41,834 person arrested for impersonating 454 00:18:41,917 --> 00:18:42,917 a police officer, 455 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,083 and race, gender were not criteria. 456 00:18:47,166 --> 00:18:48,625 Wayne Williams is on that list 457 00:18:48,709 --> 00:18:50,500 'cause he'd been arrested for impersonating 458 00:18:50,583 --> 00:18:52,000 a police officer earlier. 459 00:18:52,083 --> 00:18:53,667 ♪ ♪ 460 00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:55,959 However, I am convinced 461 00:18:56,041 --> 00:18:57,458 had we sent two agents out there-- 462 00:18:57,542 --> 00:18:59,792 even sent me out there-- we would have come back 463 00:18:59,875 --> 00:19:01,792 and said, "This is not the guy." 464 00:19:01,875 --> 00:19:03,417 And after we got our Wayne Williams, 465 00:19:03,500 --> 00:19:05,834 then we looked at it and said, "Jeez, he fits the profile. 466 00:19:05,917 --> 00:19:07,125 He checks all the boxes." 467 00:19:07,208 --> 00:19:08,750 [somber music] 468 00:19:08,834 --> 00:19:12,291 - Okay, we're coming up. Remote one, sound and picture. 469 00:19:12,375 --> 00:19:15,500 - Ten seconds to the ID. - Ten to the ID. 470 00:19:15,583 --> 00:19:19,000 - Sometime after Wayne was stopped on the bridge, 471 00:19:19,083 --> 00:19:21,625 the anchor from Channel 2 472 00:19:21,709 --> 00:19:23,125 called me about 9:00 at night 473 00:19:23,208 --> 00:19:24,709 and said, "We--we've been told-- 474 00:19:24,792 --> 00:19:25,667 we have confirmation 475 00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:27,000 that there's a suspect." 476 00:19:30,750 --> 00:19:32,959 So I got to the FBI office in downtown 477 00:19:33,041 --> 00:19:34,834 because they detained somebody. 478 00:19:34,917 --> 00:19:37,667 [indistinct chatter] 479 00:19:37,750 --> 00:19:40,667 [alarm sounding] 480 00:19:40,750 --> 00:19:42,417 - Is there a suspect inside? 481 00:19:42,500 --> 00:19:43,500 - The word is not "a suspect." 482 00:19:43,583 --> 00:19:46,208 There's been, uh--there's someone 483 00:19:46,291 --> 00:19:48,166 who has been interviewed since this afternoon. 484 00:19:48,250 --> 00:19:49,333 That's the official word, 485 00:19:49,417 --> 00:19:51,041 "interviewed since this afternoon." 486 00:19:52,542 --> 00:19:54,458 [cameras snapping] 487 00:19:54,542 --> 00:19:56,834 I get to the office, and I see this guy 488 00:19:56,917 --> 00:19:58,709 who was a photographer for a couple of 489 00:19:58,792 --> 00:20:01,166 the black newspapers in the city... 490 00:20:01,250 --> 00:20:02,500 Homer Williams. 491 00:20:02,583 --> 00:20:05,500 And I'm thinking, "This guy has the picture of this guy." 492 00:20:05,583 --> 00:20:08,500 And I said, "Homer, how did you manage this? 493 00:20:08,583 --> 00:20:10,583 And he said, "Well, it's my son. 494 00:20:10,667 --> 00:20:13,625 They're charging my son with littering." 495 00:20:13,709 --> 00:20:15,333 You know, I can't believe it. He kept saying... 496 00:20:15,417 --> 00:20:16,667 and finally, I said to him, 497 00:20:16,750 --> 00:20:18,667 "Homer, you need to stop talking to me, 498 00:20:18,750 --> 00:20:21,875 "because, you know, I represent the law people. 499 00:20:21,959 --> 00:20:23,792 I'm in the side of the government." 500 00:20:24,834 --> 00:20:26,917 - Wayne takes a lie detector test, 501 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,208 and the polygraph examiner shows him the results. 502 00:20:30,291 --> 00:20:32,041 And Wayne says, you know, "What's this one, 503 00:20:32,125 --> 00:20:33,583 where there's a big spike?" 504 00:20:33,667 --> 00:20:34,709 And he said, "Well, that's 'Did you kill 505 00:20:34,792 --> 00:20:36,000 Nathanial Cater?'" 506 00:20:36,083 --> 00:20:37,208 "What's this one?" 507 00:20:37,291 --> 00:20:40,542 "That's 'Did you dump his body in the river?'" 508 00:20:40,625 --> 00:20:41,709 You know, and so forth. 509 00:20:41,792 --> 00:20:45,667 And the three of them are the three questions 510 00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:48,208 about whether or not he's the killer. 511 00:20:48,291 --> 00:20:49,834 ♪ ♪ 512 00:20:49,917 --> 00:20:53,417 - At that point, I knew I was a suspect. 513 00:20:53,500 --> 00:20:55,083 There was no question. 514 00:20:55,166 --> 00:20:57,583 In my stupidity and naivete, 515 00:20:57,667 --> 00:21:01,250 I had hoped that by trying to cooperate with these people 516 00:21:01,333 --> 00:21:04,458 I could rationalize and explain some things, 517 00:21:04,542 --> 00:21:07,250 and I figured sooner or later, they'd leave me alone. 518 00:21:07,333 --> 00:21:10,000 [dramatic music] 519 00:21:10,083 --> 00:21:12,125 - I knew nothing about the bridge stakeouts. 520 00:21:12,208 --> 00:21:14,125 I knew nothing about the splash. 521 00:21:14,208 --> 00:21:17,083 I knew nothing about the bridge incident at all. 522 00:21:17,166 --> 00:21:19,291 I'd never heard the name Wayne Williams. 523 00:21:19,375 --> 00:21:21,083 ♪ ♪ 524 00:21:21,166 --> 00:21:23,208 I had been to the autopsy and collected fibers 525 00:21:23,291 --> 00:21:24,917 from Cater's body. 526 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,291 I found a green carpet fiber. 527 00:21:27,375 --> 00:21:30,917 That, to me, was a very strong indication that was a linkage 528 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,583 to the other victims. 529 00:21:32,667 --> 00:21:35,458 On June 3rd, my coworker and myself, 530 00:21:35,542 --> 00:21:37,959 we saw coming down the hallway 531 00:21:38,041 --> 00:21:39,834 a crime scene team from the FBI, 532 00:21:39,917 --> 00:21:41,625 been flown down from D.C. 533 00:21:41,709 --> 00:21:43,458 So that seemed very unusual, 534 00:21:43,542 --> 00:21:44,959 that there's something big going on. 535 00:21:45,041 --> 00:21:47,834 We were then informed that there was a suspect's vehicle 536 00:21:47,917 --> 00:21:49,834 in the basement of the federal building 537 00:21:49,917 --> 00:21:51,291 to be searched, and then I said, 538 00:21:51,375 --> 00:21:53,041 "Go get the crime scene equipment." 539 00:21:53,125 --> 00:21:55,959 So I left my coworker processing the car. 540 00:21:56,041 --> 00:21:58,667 And I left and went to the home. 541 00:21:58,750 --> 00:22:05,750 ♪ ♪ 542 00:22:06,917 --> 00:22:10,083 There was already a camera crew at the scene, 543 00:22:10,166 --> 00:22:12,166 which I thought was kind of interesting. 544 00:22:12,250 --> 00:22:17,041 ♪ ♪ 545 00:22:17,125 --> 00:22:21,375 Inside the house, there was a few detectives there, 546 00:22:21,458 --> 00:22:25,375 and then there was maybe four people from the FBI lab 547 00:22:25,458 --> 00:22:26,959 processing and doing different things 548 00:22:27,041 --> 00:22:27,959 inside the house. 549 00:22:28,041 --> 00:22:31,166 ♪ ♪ 550 00:22:31,250 --> 00:22:34,000 - In a ceiling panel, they found a slapjack. 551 00:22:34,083 --> 00:22:38,667 And a slapjack is a leather, flat device, 552 00:22:38,750 --> 00:22:43,041 maybe 10 inches long with lead inside. 553 00:22:43,125 --> 00:22:45,500 If you strike somebody in the head--you know, 554 00:22:45,583 --> 00:22:48,333 you hit 'em--hit 'em upside the head, so to speak, 555 00:22:48,417 --> 00:22:50,333 you can kill a person very, very easily, 556 00:22:50,417 --> 00:22:53,250 because you're hitting 'em with--in effect, 557 00:22:53,333 --> 00:22:55,500 like hitting with a lead pipe. 558 00:22:55,583 --> 00:22:58,208 [moody music] 559 00:22:58,291 --> 00:23:01,000 - There were boxes of slides of photos 560 00:23:01,083 --> 00:23:03,709 of young adults and what have you. 561 00:23:03,792 --> 00:23:05,041 I mean, there were a lot. 562 00:23:05,125 --> 00:23:06,917 Going through some of the slides, 563 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,709 I found the slide I thought looked like 564 00:23:09,792 --> 00:23:10,875 maybe one of the victims. 565 00:23:10,959 --> 00:23:13,333 And so one of the APD detectives 566 00:23:13,417 --> 00:23:16,500 was outside, and I wanted to show him the slide. 567 00:23:16,583 --> 00:23:17,917 We were both looking at the slide, 568 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,291 and Homer Williams came out 569 00:23:19,375 --> 00:23:21,875 and snatched the slide out of my hand 570 00:23:21,959 --> 00:23:24,542 and started going back into the house. 571 00:23:24,625 --> 00:23:27,083 ♪ ♪ 572 00:23:27,166 --> 00:23:29,542 - In the backyard, in the barbecue pit, 573 00:23:29,625 --> 00:23:33,041 according to neighbors, photographs had been burned 574 00:23:33,125 --> 00:23:35,750 early on the morning of May 22nd, 575 00:23:35,834 --> 00:23:38,542 after Wayne Williams left the bridge, 576 00:23:38,625 --> 00:23:40,917 when he was released and he went home. 577 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,750 And then in the early morning hours, 578 00:23:43,834 --> 00:23:45,583 he and his father were out burning photographs 579 00:23:45,667 --> 00:23:47,125 in the barbecue pit. 580 00:23:47,208 --> 00:23:50,291 ♪ ♪ 581 00:23:50,375 --> 00:23:52,458 - I saw there was wall-to-wall green carpet 582 00:23:52,542 --> 00:23:53,875 in several of the rooms. 583 00:23:53,959 --> 00:23:56,583 The bed was a violet and green bedspread. 584 00:23:56,667 --> 00:23:59,083 They had a German Shepherd dog. 585 00:23:59,166 --> 00:24:01,542 I--yeah, I had an intense feeling 586 00:24:01,625 --> 00:24:04,250 of "This is big. This is--this is it. 587 00:24:04,333 --> 00:24:06,875 This is gonna--this is what we've been looking for." 588 00:24:08,041 --> 00:24:10,333 So I collected some fiber samples... 589 00:24:11,667 --> 00:24:13,750 And I went back to the lab, 590 00:24:13,834 --> 00:24:15,959 and I put the fiber from the Williams' bedroom 591 00:24:16,041 --> 00:24:17,250 under the scope. 592 00:24:17,333 --> 00:24:19,709 It matched the violet acetate fibers. 593 00:24:21,542 --> 00:24:23,041 Then I looked at the green carpet. 594 00:24:24,208 --> 00:24:26,750 I knew instantly from crime scenes that 595 00:24:26,834 --> 00:24:28,625 that was the fiber. 596 00:24:28,709 --> 00:24:33,291 It was an absolute... 597 00:24:33,375 --> 00:24:35,333 eureka moment. 598 00:24:35,417 --> 00:24:37,083 - Bingo. 599 00:24:37,166 --> 00:24:38,583 This is unbelievable. 600 00:24:38,667 --> 00:24:41,834 This is--if this is not the source, 601 00:24:41,917 --> 00:24:43,458 I don't know what is. 602 00:24:43,542 --> 00:24:44,792 [dramatic music] 603 00:24:44,875 --> 00:24:47,667 [indistinct chatter] 604 00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:52,250 ♪ ♪ 605 00:24:52,333 --> 00:24:54,000 - The way that they were treated. 606 00:24:54,083 --> 00:24:56,458 The way that authorities went into the house, 607 00:24:56,542 --> 00:24:59,959 tearing up the carpet in the house and the furniture... 608 00:25:00,041 --> 00:25:01,500 - The car. - The car. 609 00:25:01,583 --> 00:25:03,375 ♪ ♪ 610 00:25:03,458 --> 00:25:05,041 Mrs. Williams was very respectable people, 611 00:25:05,125 --> 00:25:09,291 both educators, very dignified and refined. 612 00:25:09,375 --> 00:25:12,208 Peace-loving people to be treated like that, 613 00:25:12,291 --> 00:25:14,959 it was just-- it was unbelievable. 614 00:25:15,041 --> 00:25:16,417 They were building this case. 615 00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:18,709 They were going to implicate him 616 00:25:18,792 --> 00:25:19,709 by any means necessary, 617 00:25:19,792 --> 00:25:20,709 because they had to close 618 00:25:20,792 --> 00:25:21,709 the case. 619 00:25:21,792 --> 00:25:23,000 They had to do something, 620 00:25:23,083 --> 00:25:25,959 because not only Atlanta, 621 00:25:26,041 --> 00:25:29,875 but America was disturbed about what was going on-- 622 00:25:29,959 --> 00:25:31,208 the world even. 623 00:25:31,291 --> 00:25:33,667 ♪ ♪ 624 00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:35,750 - In one of the most tragic situations ever to strike 625 00:25:35,834 --> 00:25:36,959 an American city, 626 00:25:37,041 --> 00:25:39,208 President Reagan today took a direct hand 627 00:25:39,291 --> 00:25:40,500 in the Atlanta situation. 628 00:25:40,583 --> 00:25:43,792 - I want the people of Atlanta and the nation to know that 629 00:25:43,875 --> 00:25:47,166 this administration is doing and will continue to do 630 00:25:47,250 --> 00:25:50,333 what we can to help bring an end to this tragedy. 631 00:25:50,417 --> 00:25:52,333 - What do you have to say to people who say that 632 00:25:52,417 --> 00:25:53,542 Washington would have moved quicker 633 00:25:53,625 --> 00:25:55,166 if those children had been white? 634 00:25:55,250 --> 00:25:57,375 - We moved as quickly as we could 635 00:25:57,458 --> 00:25:58,875 and were aware that there was a need. 636 00:25:58,959 --> 00:26:00,208 - The fact they were black didn't mean that 637 00:26:00,291 --> 00:26:02,709 you had less concern or you had--you moved slower? 638 00:26:02,792 --> 00:26:04,709 - No, Sam, I think there's one thing, 639 00:26:04,792 --> 00:26:07,417 and I wanna make one thing very plain. 640 00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:10,041 This goes all the way back to the campaign: 641 00:26:10,125 --> 00:26:13,375 this administration is totally colorblind. 642 00:26:13,458 --> 00:26:16,375 [energetic music] 643 00:26:16,458 --> 00:26:23,458 ♪ ♪ 644 00:26:29,792 --> 00:26:31,709 - When he first called me, he said, 645 00:26:31,792 --> 00:26:34,959 "I think...I'm in trouble. 646 00:26:35,041 --> 00:26:38,834 "I think I need a lawyer, 647 00:26:38,917 --> 00:26:42,750 "and I know from your reputation 648 00:26:42,834 --> 00:26:45,083 that you are fearless." 649 00:26:45,166 --> 00:26:47,959 ♪ ♪ 650 00:26:48,041 --> 00:26:49,917 - Everybody knew Mary Welcome. 651 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,750 Mary was this crusading city solicitor 652 00:26:52,834 --> 00:26:53,750 protecting the city. 653 00:26:53,834 --> 00:26:55,750 - Back when Mary Welcome was 654 00:26:55,834 --> 00:26:57,583 a smut-fighting city solicitor, 655 00:26:57,667 --> 00:26:59,709 she earned the nickname "Wild Mary" 656 00:26:59,792 --> 00:27:01,083 for her determined efforts 657 00:27:01,166 --> 00:27:03,333 to close down Atlanta bathhouses. 658 00:27:04,166 --> 00:27:07,166 - That's in section 20-180 of the city code of Atlanta, 659 00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:09,625 which provides that any nuisance 660 00:27:09,709 --> 00:27:12,291 may be abated or removed by the judge 661 00:27:12,375 --> 00:27:14,333 of the Municipal Court of the City of Atlanta. 662 00:27:14,417 --> 00:27:15,875 ♪ ♪ 663 00:27:15,959 --> 00:27:19,834 - She was closing down all of the peep joints downtown 664 00:27:19,917 --> 00:27:22,291 and closing up the massage parlors. 665 00:27:22,375 --> 00:27:23,834 You know, going in... 666 00:27:23,917 --> 00:27:25,333 ♪ ♪ 667 00:27:25,417 --> 00:27:27,083 - We have closed the doors 668 00:27:27,166 --> 00:27:30,959 on every single bathhouse in this city. 669 00:27:31,041 --> 00:27:32,625 - Except for the Blue Fox. 670 00:27:32,709 --> 00:27:34,625 - Except--we've closed those doors too, 671 00:27:34,709 --> 00:27:36,792 but a higher court has said that they have right 672 00:27:36,875 --> 00:27:38,083 pending appeal. 673 00:27:38,166 --> 00:27:41,834 I have no doubt that they too will be closed very shortly. 674 00:27:41,917 --> 00:27:48,834 ♪ ♪ 675 00:27:49,917 --> 00:27:51,500 - Wayne wanted the publicity. 676 00:27:51,583 --> 00:27:53,667 He wanted the notoriety, 677 00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:54,667 and the selection 678 00:27:54,750 --> 00:27:56,667 of Mary Welcome fit 679 00:27:56,750 --> 00:27:58,709 with that narrative of Wayne 680 00:27:58,792 --> 00:28:00,333 wanting to be important 681 00:28:00,417 --> 00:28:02,792 and wanting everybody to know who he was. 682 00:28:02,875 --> 00:28:05,542 [tense music] 683 00:28:05,625 --> 00:28:06,750 ♪ ♪ 684 00:28:06,834 --> 00:28:09,709 [indistinct chatter] 685 00:28:09,792 --> 00:28:16,709 ♪ ♪ 686 00:28:16,792 --> 00:28:18,208 - After returning home, 687 00:28:18,291 --> 00:28:20,709 the young man conducted a news conference, 688 00:28:20,792 --> 00:28:23,166 setting the condition that he would not be shown 689 00:28:23,250 --> 00:28:24,875 and that his name not be used. 690 00:28:24,959 --> 00:28:28,542 - Had you thought a lot about this murder case? 691 00:28:28,625 --> 00:28:29,917 - Some of them might be connected, 692 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,875 but some of these kids are in places 693 00:28:31,959 --> 00:28:33,667 they don't have no business being at certain times 694 00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:34,917 of the day and night. 695 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,709 They're just running around in the streets wild. 696 00:28:36,792 --> 00:28:38,208 I'm saying when you're doing that, 697 00:28:38,291 --> 00:28:40,667 you're opening yourself up for all kinds of things. 698 00:28:40,750 --> 00:28:42,208 I just feel some of these parents 699 00:28:42,291 --> 00:28:44,917 just need to tighten up and get strict on the kids. 700 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,041 - But you didn't throw anything in the river? 701 00:28:47,125 --> 00:28:48,875 - No. - Even though they said that? 702 00:28:48,959 --> 00:28:52,709 - I told them that I dropped nothing in the river. 703 00:28:52,792 --> 00:28:55,834 One agent thought I slowed down to one mile an hour, 704 00:28:55,917 --> 00:28:57,625 and the two agents were saying 705 00:28:57,709 --> 00:28:59,291 they were not in a position to see. 706 00:29:00,417 --> 00:29:02,000 - Wayne holds a press conference 707 00:29:02,083 --> 00:29:03,750 in his house. 708 00:29:03,834 --> 00:29:07,000 And he hands out his resume... 709 00:29:07,083 --> 00:29:10,000 which shows he flies airplanes, 710 00:29:10,083 --> 00:29:13,041 and he's a race car driver, 711 00:29:13,125 --> 00:29:14,709 and all these other things, you know, that-- 712 00:29:14,792 --> 00:29:18,000 just absolute fiction. 713 00:29:18,083 --> 00:29:21,458 - Police, news reporters, an photographers smothered 714 00:29:21,542 --> 00:29:22,917 this quiet neighborhood. 715 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,000 The police said they were there to watch the man 716 00:29:25,083 --> 00:29:26,417 some call the prime suspect 717 00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:28,375 mostly for his own protection, they said. 718 00:29:29,709 --> 00:29:32,417 - Williams himself did not exactly go into hiding. 719 00:29:32,500 --> 00:29:34,125 - All right, everybody on this property-- 720 00:29:34,208 --> 00:29:36,959 I'm pressing against you two criminal trespass charges. 721 00:29:37,041 --> 00:29:38,542 [indistinct radio chatter] 722 00:29:38,625 --> 00:29:42,000 - They released Wayne to be hounded by media 723 00:29:42,083 --> 00:29:44,375 for the next weeks. 724 00:29:44,458 --> 00:29:46,417 [funky music] 725 00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:47,917 [car horn honks] 726 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:53,417 ♪ ♪ 727 00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:54,959 - He dangled himself. 728 00:29:55,041 --> 00:29:57,917 It was like--it was like he's a carrot. 729 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,000 "Look over here. 730 00:30:00,083 --> 00:30:01,625 Here I am." 731 00:30:01,709 --> 00:30:05,333 It's like he was waving at them, taunting them. 732 00:30:05,417 --> 00:30:08,291 ♪ ♪ 733 00:30:08,375 --> 00:30:11,959 My impression of Wayne was almost like a child, 734 00:30:12,041 --> 00:30:14,083 but parading in big boy clothes. 735 00:30:16,208 --> 00:30:17,291 [car horn honks] 736 00:30:17,375 --> 00:30:19,291 - Hey, Wayne, where you going? 737 00:30:19,375 --> 00:30:20,709 Wayne, where you going? 738 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,959 - Whenever he leaves his home, 739 00:30:24,041 --> 00:30:27,166 agents madly scramble into their cars and follow him. 740 00:30:27,250 --> 00:30:31,125 The first car, the FBI; the second, the task force; 741 00:30:31,208 --> 00:30:33,625 the third, the FBI, 742 00:30:33,709 --> 00:30:35,709 and so it has gone all day. 743 00:30:37,208 --> 00:30:39,000 - Get out the way! - Homer. 744 00:30:39,083 --> 00:30:40,125 - Yeah. - Forget it. 745 00:30:40,208 --> 00:30:44,458 ♪ ♪ 746 00:30:44,542 --> 00:30:45,667 - You're gonna make a fool of yourself 747 00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:46,917 without talking to us. 748 00:30:49,083 --> 00:30:50,291 [camera snaps] 749 00:30:50,375 --> 00:30:51,792 - Mr. Williams, can you tell us 750 00:30:51,875 --> 00:30:53,625 why you're taking pictures of us? 751 00:30:53,709 --> 00:30:56,375 ♪ ♪ 752 00:30:56,458 --> 00:30:59,000 Mrs. Williams, what is your husband doing? 753 00:30:59,083 --> 00:31:02,375 ♪ ♪ 754 00:31:02,458 --> 00:31:04,000 - One of the nights that I was there, 755 00:31:04,083 --> 00:31:07,208 I heard Wayne yelling my name. "Angelo!" 756 00:31:07,291 --> 00:31:11,083 And I go, "Oh, shit. Oh, what do I do now?" 757 00:31:12,166 --> 00:31:13,834 He made an impassioned plea 758 00:31:13,917 --> 00:31:16,667 for the mayor to stop all this stuff, 759 00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:18,667 and I said, "I will pass the message." 760 00:31:18,750 --> 00:31:19,959 And I--and I did. 761 00:31:20,041 --> 00:31:22,333 - Good morning. - How is everybody? 762 00:31:22,417 --> 00:31:23,917 - Good morning. Mr. Slaton. - Morning. 763 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,834 Good morning. - Morning, sir. 764 00:31:25,917 --> 00:31:27,542 - District Attorney Lewis Slaton 765 00:31:27,625 --> 00:31:29,959 decided last night there was not enough evidence 766 00:31:30,041 --> 00:31:31,375 to charge the man. 767 00:31:31,458 --> 00:31:32,500 - No arrest warrants 768 00:31:32,583 --> 00:31:33,917 have been contemplated 769 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,417 in the immediate future, 770 00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:36,709 and that's just where we stand. 771 00:31:36,792 --> 00:31:39,041 - Lewis Slaton had been the District Attorney 772 00:31:39,125 --> 00:31:42,208 in Fulton County for many years, 773 00:31:42,291 --> 00:31:45,667 and I think his reluctance was due to the fact 774 00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:48,000 that he didn't have any evidence. 775 00:31:48,083 --> 00:31:49,417 There's an old adage: 776 00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:51,208 a good prosecutor can indict 777 00:31:51,291 --> 00:31:52,542 a ham sandwich. 778 00:31:52,625 --> 00:31:53,500 Well, after you get him 779 00:31:53,583 --> 00:31:54,917 indicted, 780 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,083 what are you gonna do if you don't have any evidence 781 00:31:57,166 --> 00:31:58,583 to support your allegation? 782 00:31:58,667 --> 00:32:00,375 [tense music] 783 00:32:00,458 --> 00:32:02,625 - The FBI wanted to arrest this person 784 00:32:02,709 --> 00:32:04,041 in connection with the child murders, 785 00:32:04,125 --> 00:32:06,250 but local authorities refused. 786 00:32:06,333 --> 00:32:08,542 There was a sharp disagreement over whether or not 787 00:32:08,625 --> 00:32:10,792 arrest warrants should be issued. 788 00:32:10,875 --> 00:32:12,959 - Lewis Slaton kept saying, 789 00:32:13,041 --> 00:32:15,583 "I don't have sufficient evidence 790 00:32:15,667 --> 00:32:17,583 to charge Wayne Williams." 791 00:32:17,667 --> 00:32:19,208 He kept saying that publicly. 792 00:32:19,291 --> 00:32:21,375 ♪ ♪ 793 00:32:21,458 --> 00:32:24,250 - My sources told me about a meeting 794 00:32:24,333 --> 00:32:25,458 at the Governor's Mansion. 795 00:32:25,542 --> 00:32:27,792 ♪ ♪ 796 00:32:27,875 --> 00:32:29,583 It included the FBI 797 00:32:29,667 --> 00:32:31,250 and the U.S. Attorney's Office, 798 00:32:31,333 --> 00:32:33,041 the Georgia attorney general, 799 00:32:33,125 --> 00:32:37,166 and representatives of the task force. 800 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,333 That meeting with Lewis Slaton went on for seven hours 801 00:32:41,417 --> 00:32:42,750 on that Friday. 802 00:32:42,834 --> 00:32:46,500 [dramatic music] 803 00:32:46,583 --> 00:32:50,875 George Bush wanted the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's Office 804 00:32:50,959 --> 00:32:54,917 and state and local officials to be in the same room. 805 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,291 Clearly, having the meeting at the mansion, 806 00:32:58,375 --> 00:33:00,291 there was a message. 807 00:33:00,375 --> 00:33:05,291 - Slaton's taken inside and told... 808 00:33:05,375 --> 00:33:07,500 "We're gonna bring charges if you don't." 809 00:33:07,583 --> 00:33:10,583 - The FBI and everybody else 810 00:33:10,667 --> 00:33:12,667 was being embarrassed 811 00:33:12,750 --> 00:33:14,291 internationally 812 00:33:14,375 --> 00:33:16,417 by the murders. 813 00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:18,333 - Officer, he's asked them to leave, 814 00:33:18,417 --> 00:33:19,542 and they refuse to leave. 815 00:33:19,625 --> 00:33:21,291 - I asked all the reporters to leave off this yard. 816 00:33:21,375 --> 00:33:24,542 - I think that they decided it's time to end it, 817 00:33:24,625 --> 00:33:26,875 and I think that Wayne Williams 818 00:33:26,959 --> 00:33:28,500 got the lucky ticket. 819 00:33:28,583 --> 00:33:30,500 - Mr. Williams, why have you asked for us to leave? 820 00:33:30,583 --> 00:33:31,709 - No comment. 821 00:33:31,792 --> 00:33:34,834 - He was being a pain in the butt to the police. 822 00:33:34,917 --> 00:33:37,834 ♪ ♪ 823 00:33:37,917 --> 00:33:41,083 - ABC News has learned Slaton yielded yesterday 824 00:33:41,166 --> 00:33:43,375 under extreme outside pressure. 825 00:33:43,458 --> 00:33:46,250 ♪ ♪ 826 00:33:46,333 --> 00:33:47,500 - I will say that 827 00:33:47,583 --> 00:33:49,000 there was no... 828 00:33:49,083 --> 00:33:51,834 that pressure or politics 829 00:33:51,917 --> 00:33:56,208 did not figure in to the timing at all. 830 00:33:56,291 --> 00:33:58,500 ♪ ♪ 831 00:33:58,583 --> 00:34:01,166 - It was Father's Day, June 21st, 1981. 832 00:34:01,250 --> 00:34:03,333 I heard the door knock, 833 00:34:03,417 --> 00:34:04,375 and my mom said, 834 00:34:04,458 --> 00:34:05,375 "Wayne, you gotta come out here. 835 00:34:05,458 --> 00:34:07,041 I need to see you." 836 00:34:07,125 --> 00:34:09,875 Walked into the family room, and they said, "Mr. Williams." 837 00:34:09,959 --> 00:34:12,583 I said, "Yes," and Mary walked into the area. 838 00:34:12,667 --> 00:34:14,208 And I said, "What's this about?" 839 00:34:14,291 --> 00:34:16,375 And she said, "Well, Wayne, they come to arrest you. 840 00:34:16,458 --> 00:34:17,917 You need to go with 'em." 841 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,166 And... 842 00:34:20,792 --> 00:34:22,208 Everything stopped. 843 00:34:22,291 --> 00:34:24,917 My world--everything just stopped at that point. 844 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,834 [solemn music] 845 00:34:26,917 --> 00:34:28,959 I-I can't even describe how I felt. 846 00:34:30,125 --> 00:34:33,333 I can remember how my mom started crying and all. 847 00:34:33,417 --> 00:34:35,208 I can remember that. 848 00:34:35,291 --> 00:34:40,041 And that was the longest five minutes-- 849 00:34:40,125 --> 00:34:42,250 one of the longest five minutes of my life. 850 00:34:42,333 --> 00:34:49,375 ♪ ♪ 851 00:34:53,709 --> 00:34:56,792 - Williams was arrested for the strangulation murder 852 00:34:56,875 --> 00:34:59,125 of 27-year-old Nathaniel Cater, 853 00:34:59,208 --> 00:35:01,000 the 28th and last victim. 854 00:35:02,333 --> 00:35:04,750 - Nathaniel Cater lived in this apartment complex 855 00:35:04,834 --> 00:35:07,083 on Verbena Street Northwest with his father 856 00:35:07,166 --> 00:35:09,417 up until four months before he was murdered. 857 00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:10,542 He moved out on his own, 858 00:35:10,625 --> 00:35:12,583 but came back often for visits. 859 00:35:12,667 --> 00:35:14,250 The apartment is just a few blocks 860 00:35:14,333 --> 00:35:16,583 from Wayne Williams' home on Penelope Road. 861 00:35:16,667 --> 00:35:17,959 [indistinct chatter] 862 00:35:18,041 --> 00:35:20,041 - Get out of the way there. 863 00:35:20,125 --> 00:35:21,917 [engine turns over] 864 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,667 [desolate music] 865 00:35:24,750 --> 00:35:26,166 - Williams was also charged 866 00:35:26,250 --> 00:35:27,875 with the murder of another victim, 867 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,792 21-year-old Jimmy Ray Payne. 868 00:35:29,875 --> 00:35:31,291 ♪ ♪ 869 00:35:31,375 --> 00:35:34,291 - Payne lived here with his sister on Magnolia Street. 870 00:35:34,375 --> 00:35:38,250 He was last seen going to the Omni to sell some coins. 871 00:35:38,333 --> 00:35:41,667 ♪ ♪ 872 00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:44,125 - Once we heard that he was being charged 873 00:35:44,208 --> 00:35:46,458 with the murder of two men, 874 00:35:46,542 --> 00:35:47,625 it all fell apart for us. 875 00:35:47,709 --> 00:35:48,625 Okay, well, 876 00:35:48,709 --> 00:35:49,834 where's the solution 877 00:35:49,917 --> 00:35:52,083 to these dozens of children? 878 00:35:52,166 --> 00:35:53,083 - You know, "That's it." 879 00:35:53,166 --> 00:35:54,083 It's--you know, 880 00:35:54,166 --> 00:35:55,083 "We found the killer, 881 00:35:55,166 --> 00:35:56,458 and that's it." 882 00:35:56,542 --> 00:35:57,625 You know, 883 00:35:57,709 --> 00:35:59,834 but that really wasn't it. 884 00:35:59,917 --> 00:36:02,250 - Some Atlanta youngsters participating 885 00:36:02,333 --> 00:36:04,500 in the Safe Summer program said they feel 886 00:36:04,583 --> 00:36:06,625 only a little safer now. 887 00:36:06,709 --> 00:36:11,000 - Because it was more than one child being killed, 888 00:36:11,083 --> 00:36:13,792 and they don't know if he killed them all. 889 00:36:13,875 --> 00:36:16,959 So it still could be more than one killer out there. 890 00:36:17,041 --> 00:36:18,875 [somber music] 891 00:36:18,959 --> 00:36:20,542 - I'm seven years old. 892 00:36:20,625 --> 00:36:22,667 The police have made an arrest. 893 00:36:22,750 --> 00:36:25,125 The cops had him, taking a perp walk, 894 00:36:25,208 --> 00:36:26,333 and they showed him. 895 00:36:26,417 --> 00:36:29,125 And I'm looking, and I don't what I--I drop 896 00:36:29,208 --> 00:36:30,583 whatever I had. 897 00:36:30,667 --> 00:36:33,041 And I'm like, "Son of a bitch. 898 00:36:34,083 --> 00:36:36,583 "That's the guy. 899 00:36:36,667 --> 00:36:38,875 "That's the guy who was coming up the stairs 900 00:36:38,959 --> 00:36:40,000 "at Miss Willie Mae's. 901 00:36:40,083 --> 00:36:42,125 That's him." 902 00:36:42,208 --> 00:36:45,834 I had a--I this crazy sense of calm that came over me, 903 00:36:45,917 --> 00:36:50,625 because I knew--I knew that they had the son of a bitch. 904 00:36:50,709 --> 00:36:54,375 ♪ ♪ 905 00:36:54,458 --> 00:36:57,208 - I'd never tried a murder case, 906 00:36:57,291 --> 00:37:01,041 but I knew how to put a team together. 907 00:37:01,125 --> 00:37:03,041 - I get a call from Mary Welcome. 908 00:37:03,125 --> 00:37:05,875 There was no other case like it at that point in history, 909 00:37:05,959 --> 00:37:10,500 that had that many alleged homicides involved. 910 00:37:10,583 --> 00:37:14,166 [upbeat music] 911 00:37:14,250 --> 00:37:15,959 I'm in my 30s. 912 00:37:16,041 --> 00:37:18,208 At that point, I'd probably tried 913 00:37:18,291 --> 00:37:20,417 20 or 30 homicide cases, 914 00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:24,375 conducted hundreds of preliminary hearings 915 00:37:24,458 --> 00:37:27,583 and several direct appeals to the Georgia Supreme Court. 916 00:37:27,667 --> 00:37:30,583 ♪ ♪ 917 00:37:30,667 --> 00:37:35,250 ♪ ♪ 918 00:37:35,333 --> 00:37:39,417 I was well equipped to try and defend a criminal case 919 00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:41,792 and especially a homicide case. 920 00:37:42,792 --> 00:37:46,709 - William Northrop volunteered his time. 921 00:37:46,792 --> 00:37:48,959 - I was after the facts. 922 00:37:49,041 --> 00:37:50,583 I wanted to know 923 00:37:50,667 --> 00:37:54,083 if there was prosecution evidence 924 00:37:54,166 --> 00:37:56,667 that could tie Wayne to 925 00:37:56,750 --> 00:38:00,208 the two murders he was charged with. 926 00:38:00,291 --> 00:38:02,625 ♪ ♪ 927 00:38:02,709 --> 00:38:04,792 [cameras snapping] 928 00:38:04,875 --> 00:38:06,250 - How's it going, Wayne? 929 00:38:06,333 --> 00:38:08,333 - Wayne was an unusual person 930 00:38:08,417 --> 00:38:10,834 and a very difficult client. 931 00:38:12,333 --> 00:38:14,583 One day, I was visiting him in jail, 932 00:38:14,667 --> 00:38:16,333 and I said, "Wayne, is there anything 933 00:38:16,417 --> 00:38:17,959 that I can get for you?" 934 00:38:18,041 --> 00:38:22,166 He said he wanted to see his boys in his band. 935 00:38:23,333 --> 00:38:24,792 I said, "You don't need this." 936 00:38:24,875 --> 00:38:27,417 But it was just easier to give in. 937 00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:30,417 [upbeat R&B music] 938 00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:33,875 ♪ ♪ 939 00:38:33,959 --> 00:38:35,291 Young men came in. 940 00:38:35,375 --> 00:38:38,125 He told them, "Are you keeping your grades up? 941 00:38:38,208 --> 00:38:39,834 "Are you practicing? 942 00:38:39,917 --> 00:38:42,458 "We need to figure out what kind of uniforms 943 00:38:42,542 --> 00:38:44,333 you're gonna have for the band." 944 00:38:44,417 --> 00:38:48,291 His focus was everywhere but on... 945 00:38:48,375 --> 00:38:49,542 on this case. 946 00:38:51,083 --> 00:38:52,458 [door closes] 947 00:38:52,542 --> 00:38:54,000 It was--it was difficult. 948 00:38:56,083 --> 00:38:57,792 - What's the next step at this point? 949 00:38:57,875 --> 00:39:00,208 [indistinct chatter] 950 00:39:00,291 --> 00:39:02,333 - Well, I'm not making any comments at all. 951 00:39:02,417 --> 00:39:06,125 Tony, I think, wanted to have...control. 952 00:39:06,208 --> 00:39:07,667 He wanted to call the shots. 953 00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:11,333 He said, "The more time we give the prosecution, 954 00:39:11,417 --> 00:39:13,375 "the more time they are going to be able 955 00:39:13,458 --> 00:39:14,959 to tighten up their case." 956 00:39:15,041 --> 00:39:18,667 My position was: we need to slow this case down. 957 00:39:18,750 --> 00:39:20,709 This was my client, 958 00:39:20,792 --> 00:39:23,166 and I was not giving up control 959 00:39:23,250 --> 00:39:25,792 of the overall strategy. 960 00:39:25,875 --> 00:39:29,083 It really became confrontational. 961 00:39:31,542 --> 00:39:34,500 Wayne's position is: neither of you are in control. 962 00:39:34,583 --> 00:39:35,667 [laughs] 963 00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:36,750 I control. 964 00:39:38,166 --> 00:39:40,375 - Three months before the trial started, 965 00:39:40,458 --> 00:39:43,166 Mary and Wayne made the decision that 966 00:39:43,250 --> 00:39:44,625 they would try the case without me. 967 00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:49,750 Wayne was the man behind the curtain, 968 00:39:49,834 --> 00:39:51,291 full of himself. 969 00:39:52,917 --> 00:39:55,500 I had never been with someone 970 00:39:55,583 --> 00:39:57,709 at that young age 971 00:39:57,792 --> 00:39:59,750 that had that much control 972 00:39:59,834 --> 00:40:01,875 with saying, "This is who I am," 973 00:40:01,959 --> 00:40:03,917 and then say, "No, that's not who I am. 974 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,458 Let me just tell you who I am." 975 00:40:06,458 --> 00:40:09,166 Playing the part several different ways, 976 00:40:09,250 --> 00:40:11,333 I'd never had that happen before. 977 00:40:12,542 --> 00:40:14,250 - Wayne Williams had fired Tony Axam, 978 00:40:14,333 --> 00:40:15,709 who was a very good lawyer. 979 00:40:15,792 --> 00:40:18,166 So we were a little bit baffled by that, 980 00:40:18,250 --> 00:40:20,417 'cause this was in October, 981 00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:23,291 and by that time, the trial was now scheduled 982 00:40:23,375 --> 00:40:25,417 to start at the end of December. 983 00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:29,083 - Joe Drolet is well known for his knowledge of case law. 984 00:40:29,166 --> 00:40:31,083 He's expected to play a major role 985 00:40:31,166 --> 00:40:33,041 in the examination of witnesses, 986 00:40:33,125 --> 00:40:35,458 making sure the prosecution's every move 987 00:40:35,542 --> 00:40:38,041 is on firm legal ground. 988 00:40:38,125 --> 00:40:40,750 - The strategy was to present the evidence 989 00:40:40,834 --> 00:40:43,959 in such a way that the jury would understand 990 00:40:44,041 --> 00:40:45,917 the significance of it 991 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,875 and know that all these things together 992 00:40:48,959 --> 00:40:51,125 pointed directly at Wayne Williams. 993 00:40:52,792 --> 00:40:55,709 [dynamic music] 994 00:40:55,792 --> 00:40:59,208 ♪ ♪ 995 00:40:59,291 --> 00:41:02,166 [indistinct chatter] 996 00:41:02,250 --> 00:41:04,250 - Good morning. - Good morning, Mary. 997 00:41:04,333 --> 00:41:05,792 - Good morning. How are you? 998 00:41:05,875 --> 00:41:07,500 Good morning. Good morning. 999 00:41:07,583 --> 00:41:09,792 - Even Ms. Welcome admits her experience 1000 00:41:09,875 --> 00:41:13,250 as a criminal trial lawyer is not particularly impressive. 1001 00:41:13,333 --> 00:41:15,500 So she was joined on the defense team 1002 00:41:15,583 --> 00:41:19,500 by Alvin Binder of Jackson, Mississippi. 1003 00:41:19,583 --> 00:41:21,333 His horn-rimmed glasses, cigar, 1004 00:41:21,417 --> 00:41:24,500 and somewhat brusque manner had become his trademarks. 1005 00:41:26,041 --> 00:41:28,125 - Delay the start of the trial? - No, sir. 1006 00:41:28,208 --> 00:41:29,458 - Al Binder came in... 1007 00:41:29,542 --> 00:41:31,792 - When the judge bangs that gavel, we'll be ready. 1008 00:41:31,875 --> 00:41:33,583 - Good ol' Southern boy... - I hope. 1009 00:41:33,667 --> 00:41:35,625 - And he said, "This is the way I'm gonna handle this. 1010 00:41:35,709 --> 00:41:37,959 "I'm gonna go in and say," 1011 00:41:38,041 --> 00:41:40,792 you know, "How dare you," you know, 1012 00:41:40,875 --> 00:41:42,875 "do this to a human being? 1013 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,375 "And this is unjust, 1014 00:41:44,458 --> 00:41:46,667 and this is a violation of his rights." 1015 00:41:46,750 --> 00:41:48,417 He was dynamic. 1016 00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:51,375 And we said, "You go, person." 1017 00:41:54,583 --> 00:41:57,000 - In Atlanta, Wayne Williams goes on trial today 1018 00:41:57,083 --> 00:41:59,875 charged with committing two of the 28 murders 1019 00:41:59,959 --> 00:42:01,458 that terrorized that city. 1020 00:42:01,542 --> 00:42:04,000 We have more from Bonnie Erbé. 1021 00:42:04,083 --> 00:42:06,542 - Today's opening of the trial of Wayne Williams, 1022 00:42:06,625 --> 00:42:09,250 the only person charged with any of slayings, 1023 00:42:09,333 --> 00:42:11,959 will churn emotions in a city almost healed. 1024 00:42:12,041 --> 00:42:13,834 [solemn music] 1025 00:42:13,917 --> 00:42:16,208 - 15 deputies assigned to the Williams trial 1026 00:42:16,291 --> 00:42:18,333 had been given special medical training 1027 00:42:18,417 --> 00:42:20,709 to help them deal with any emergency 1028 00:42:20,792 --> 00:42:22,333 which might come up. 1029 00:42:22,417 --> 00:42:24,333 Trauma training, could this be 1030 00:42:24,417 --> 00:42:25,875 in case there was an explosion? 1031 00:42:25,959 --> 00:42:28,458 You are preparing yourself for that possibility? 1032 00:42:28,542 --> 00:42:29,875 - Yes, we are preparing for that, 1033 00:42:29,959 --> 00:42:32,583 but it was still just a basic first aid course. 1034 00:42:32,667 --> 00:42:35,000 [siren wailing] 1035 00:42:35,083 --> 00:42:36,583 - When the trial started, 1036 00:42:36,667 --> 00:42:39,667 it was sort of a surreal experience, 1037 00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:43,083 because...it almost felt like 1038 00:42:43,166 --> 00:42:46,083 I was in a trial in a movie. 1039 00:42:46,166 --> 00:42:48,375 And I know that all these people are actors, 1040 00:42:48,458 --> 00:42:50,041 and I'm an actor too. 1041 00:42:50,125 --> 00:42:51,417 - Good morning. How are you? 1042 00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:53,875 - You're becoming the Diana Ross of Atlanta. 1043 00:42:53,959 --> 00:42:55,709 - [laughs] - What did--what did you say? 1044 00:42:55,792 --> 00:42:58,208 - Are you becoming the Diana Ross of Atlanta? 1045 00:42:58,291 --> 00:43:00,208 - Um, no. - Every time I run into you-- 1046 00:43:00,291 --> 00:43:02,208 - Every time I check my purse, I don't have her money. 1047 00:43:02,291 --> 00:43:03,208 - [laughs] 1048 00:43:03,291 --> 00:43:06,583 [dramatic music] 1049 00:43:06,667 --> 00:43:08,750 - On a big day like this, they make extra seats 1050 00:43:08,834 --> 00:43:10,083 in the courtroom for the press. 1051 00:43:10,166 --> 00:43:12,917 So they're only about 50 available for spectators. 1052 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,250 - Stay in line. Stay single file. 1053 00:43:16,333 --> 00:43:17,291 - At 7:00 this morning, 1054 00:43:17,375 --> 00:43:18,917 there were more than 300 people 1055 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,083 crammed in this lobby, 1056 00:43:20,166 --> 00:43:23,125 hoping to get a shot at one of those seats. 1057 00:43:23,208 --> 00:43:25,625 Also here, three mothers whose children are 1058 00:43:25,709 --> 00:43:27,750 on the task force list. 1059 00:43:27,834 --> 00:43:30,417 - I don't think I would forget that feeling, 1060 00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:34,750 because you're talking about hundreds of people. 1061 00:43:34,834 --> 00:43:36,500 You couldn't hear nothing. 1062 00:43:37,834 --> 00:43:41,458 You could hear all these breathing voices. 1063 00:43:42,834 --> 00:43:46,917 And then you had the cameras in the courthouse. 1064 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,959 And, um--and then reporters wanted to hear from us 1065 00:43:51,041 --> 00:43:54,041 once they found out that we was the parents, you know. 1066 00:43:54,125 --> 00:43:55,458 So when we came out the courthouse, 1067 00:43:55,542 --> 00:43:57,709 you know, soon as we stepped out the room, they start, 1068 00:43:57,792 --> 00:44:00,291 you know, putting the cameras all in our faces. 1069 00:44:00,375 --> 00:44:02,625 - If he get charged for the two killings 1070 00:44:02,709 --> 00:44:05,458 that they are charging him with, 1071 00:44:05,542 --> 00:44:07,250 what about the other kids? 1072 00:44:07,333 --> 00:44:09,458 The other 27 kids. 1073 00:44:09,542 --> 00:44:11,625 [indistinct chatter] 1074 00:44:11,709 --> 00:44:14,291 That's--that's what I would like to know. 1075 00:44:14,375 --> 00:44:17,792 What they gonna do about the other kids? 1076 00:44:17,875 --> 00:44:20,250 - I was asked several times, did I know any of the victims. 1077 00:44:20,333 --> 00:44:22,917 No, I didn't. I've never met any of them. 1078 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,917 I didn't kill Nathaniel Cater, 1079 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,250 Jimmy Ray Payne, or anybody else. 1080 00:44:28,333 --> 00:44:30,000 There basically was no evidence against me. 1081 00:44:30,083 --> 00:44:31,625 I hadn't killed anybody. 1082 00:44:31,709 --> 00:44:33,166 [indistinct chatter] 1083 00:44:33,250 --> 00:44:37,792 - During the trial, I was under a lot of pressure, stress. 1084 00:44:37,875 --> 00:44:40,625 - What time did you guys get down here this morning? 1085 00:44:40,709 --> 00:44:43,500 - 6:30. - When'd you get down here? 1086 00:44:43,583 --> 00:44:45,834 I remember one time that we went to court, 1087 00:44:45,917 --> 00:44:47,834 there was a table 1088 00:44:47,917 --> 00:44:51,917 with one chair behind it for me... 1089 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,208 and all these white men in suits. 1090 00:44:56,291 --> 00:44:59,333 And I looked at that, and I said, "Oh, my God. 1091 00:44:59,417 --> 00:45:02,834 What am I gonna have to contend with?" 1092 00:45:02,917 --> 00:45:05,875 [despondent music] 1093 00:45:05,959 --> 00:45:10,000 ♪ ♪ 1094 00:45:10,083 --> 00:45:12,375 - In Atlanta today, the jury in the murder trial 1095 00:45:12,458 --> 00:45:14,417 of Wayne Williams was led to the bridge 1096 00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:17,375 from which Williams allegedly disposed of the body 1097 00:45:17,458 --> 00:45:18,583 of one of the victims. 1098 00:45:18,667 --> 00:45:21,083 ♪ ♪ 1099 00:45:21,166 --> 00:45:22,417 - Judge Cooper allowed us 1100 00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:25,875 to take the jury to the bridge. 1101 00:45:25,959 --> 00:45:29,375 We wanted the jury to visualize our argument, 1102 00:45:29,458 --> 00:45:32,583 that Wayne could not have 1103 00:45:32,667 --> 00:45:34,583 stopped on the bridge. 1104 00:45:34,667 --> 00:45:37,333 ♪ ♪ 1105 00:45:37,417 --> 00:45:39,041 - The took us out on the bridge. 1106 00:45:39,125 --> 00:45:40,000 They showed us where they 1107 00:45:40,083 --> 00:45:42,792 thought the splash happened. 1108 00:45:42,875 --> 00:45:46,417 They showed us where they apprehended him out there. 1109 00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:49,709 ♪ ♪ 1110 00:45:49,792 --> 00:45:51,625 - Why was Wayne Williams on the bridge? 1111 00:45:53,208 --> 00:45:56,583 Wayne claims he's out there to see Cheryl Johnson. 1112 00:45:56,667 --> 00:45:59,166 The mysterious Cheryl Johnson that no one 1113 00:45:59,250 --> 00:46:02,250 has ever found in 38 years. 1114 00:46:02,333 --> 00:46:04,834 He crossed the bridge 'cause he was dropping a body. 1115 00:46:06,250 --> 00:46:07,750 - Picture this in your mind. 1116 00:46:07,834 --> 00:46:09,875 He'd have to get out of the car, 1117 00:46:09,959 --> 00:46:11,625 go to the back of the car, 1118 00:46:11,709 --> 00:46:14,917 open the trunk, pull the body out, 1119 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,291 toss it over the bridge, 1120 00:46:16,375 --> 00:46:19,250 and then get back in his car... 1121 00:46:19,333 --> 00:46:21,792 close the trunk and close his door 1122 00:46:21,875 --> 00:46:22,875 and then go up. 1123 00:46:22,959 --> 00:46:25,625 Now you--just imagine how long that would take. 1124 00:46:27,166 --> 00:46:30,291 At the trial, the officers testified 1125 00:46:30,375 --> 00:46:33,291 they never saw the car stopped. 1126 00:46:33,375 --> 00:46:35,792 ♪ ♪ 1127 00:46:35,875 --> 00:46:38,291 - The defense contends that this expansion joint 1128 00:46:38,375 --> 00:46:40,625 in the bridge would have alerted police lookouts 1129 00:46:40,709 --> 00:46:42,458 to the presence of Williams' car 1130 00:46:42,542 --> 00:46:44,875 before he had the chance to dump a body, 1131 00:46:44,959 --> 00:46:46,375 if in fact he did. 1132 00:46:48,083 --> 00:46:50,625 - There is a separation in that bridge 1133 00:46:50,709 --> 00:46:52,709 where you could hear "ka-plunk." 1134 00:46:54,208 --> 00:46:56,125 - Every time a car went over that bridge-- 1135 00:46:56,208 --> 00:46:58,125 and we checked this all out-- 1136 00:46:58,208 --> 00:46:59,792 greater than five miles an hour, it went, 1137 00:46:59,875 --> 00:47:01,041 "ka-clank, ka-clank." 1138 00:47:01,125 --> 00:47:03,959 [thudding] 1139 00:47:04,041 --> 00:47:06,500 It drove the cops under the bridge to go crazy. 1140 00:47:06,583 --> 00:47:08,834 They heard no clank that night, 1141 00:47:08,917 --> 00:47:10,959 which means he coasted onto the bridge 1142 00:47:11,041 --> 00:47:13,000 going under five miles an hour. 1143 00:47:14,166 --> 00:47:15,166 When they looked up on the bridge, 1144 00:47:15,250 --> 00:47:16,458 the headlights weren't moving. 1145 00:47:16,542 --> 00:47:18,417 So the car must have been stopped. 1146 00:47:19,709 --> 00:47:20,834 And he gets out, and he... 1147 00:47:20,917 --> 00:47:21,834 [whistles] 1148 00:47:21,917 --> 00:47:23,709 Just pulls the body out of the trunk 1149 00:47:23,792 --> 00:47:26,041 and just drags him, throws him off the bridge. 1150 00:47:26,125 --> 00:47:27,667 [water trickling] 1151 00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:29,166 Then after the splash, 1152 00:47:29,250 --> 00:47:30,709 the headlights started to move slowly. 1153 00:47:30,792 --> 00:47:32,875 [insects chirping] 1154 00:47:32,959 --> 00:47:35,000 - I mean, do you know what deadweight is like? 1155 00:47:35,083 --> 00:47:37,583 I couldn't imagine Wayne picking up deadweight, 1156 00:47:37,667 --> 00:47:39,834 because he was a small person in stature, 1157 00:47:39,917 --> 00:47:41,792 and he didn't have muscles. 1158 00:47:41,875 --> 00:47:44,166 - He didn't have to pick the body up. 1159 00:47:44,250 --> 00:47:46,667 He just had to drag the foot over out the back of 1160 00:47:46,750 --> 00:47:48,208 the station wagon. 1161 00:47:48,291 --> 00:47:50,208 You don't have to pick it up. You have to drag it. 1162 00:47:50,291 --> 00:47:52,500 You can drag--I can drag anybody in this room. 1163 00:47:52,583 --> 00:47:55,166 - I know a guy in the FBI that's about Wayne's size, 1164 00:47:55,250 --> 00:47:57,208 and he's the strongest man I ever met in my life. 1165 00:47:57,291 --> 00:47:59,375 - Listen, man, you know a lot of strong guys 1166 00:47:59,458 --> 00:48:00,667 that are really tiny guys. 1167 00:48:00,750 --> 00:48:02,959 Strength got nothing to do with your size. 1168 00:48:04,166 --> 00:48:05,250 - I have no question in my mind that he could have 1169 00:48:05,333 --> 00:48:08,417 leveraged a body over the bridge. 1170 00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:12,542 The guardrails of the bridge were only 2 1/2, 3 feet high. 1171 00:48:12,625 --> 00:48:15,041 - Wayne had chosen his bridge carefully. 1172 00:48:15,125 --> 00:48:17,041 He probably used that bridge before. 1173 00:48:17,125 --> 00:48:19,208 [dramatic music] 1174 00:48:19,291 --> 00:48:21,291 - Had I have tried that case, 1175 00:48:21,375 --> 00:48:24,041 we would have had a 160-pound pig 1176 00:48:24,125 --> 00:48:26,333 in the courtroom, dead. 1177 00:48:26,417 --> 00:48:29,208 I would have had Wayne stand up in front of the jury 1178 00:48:29,291 --> 00:48:32,291 with a barrier erected the size of that bridge 1179 00:48:32,375 --> 00:48:36,208 and watch you try to lift 160 pounds of deadweight, 1180 00:48:36,291 --> 00:48:37,667 throw it over a bridge. 1181 00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:41,041 ♪ ♪ 1182 00:48:41,125 --> 00:48:43,458 - They wanted to believe I was some type of Superman 1183 00:48:43,542 --> 00:48:46,625 that could kidnap somebody, 1184 00:48:46,709 --> 00:48:48,792 kill them in my house, car, or wherever, 1185 00:48:48,875 --> 00:48:51,083 put 'em back in this car and go dump the bodies 1186 00:48:51,166 --> 00:48:52,625 without any evidence being left. 1187 00:48:52,709 --> 00:48:54,417 Come on, that's ridiculous. 1188 00:48:54,500 --> 00:48:57,500 - Defense attorneys launched an aggressive attack on 1189 00:48:57,583 --> 00:49:00,041 prosecution evidence today as testimony started 1190 00:49:00,125 --> 00:49:02,583 in the Atlanta murder trial of Wayne Williams. 1191 00:49:02,667 --> 00:49:04,959 A medical examiner today took the stand 1192 00:49:05,041 --> 00:49:06,792 and conceded that he could not prove 1193 00:49:06,875 --> 00:49:10,208 that one of Williams' alleged victims was indeed murdered. 1194 00:49:11,792 --> 00:49:14,125 - First thing I wanted to do was find out 1195 00:49:14,208 --> 00:49:17,250 whether we really did have a legal, medical murder. 1196 00:49:17,333 --> 00:49:20,417 [ominous music] 1197 00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:23,959 It was clearly evident Nathaniel Cater had been 1198 00:49:24,041 --> 00:49:26,667 in the water more than two days. 1199 00:49:26,750 --> 00:49:28,083 ♪ ♪ 1200 00:49:28,166 --> 00:49:30,834 If you look at the medical examiner's report, 1201 00:49:30,917 --> 00:49:35,458 it says he's been in the water for at least a week. 1202 00:49:35,542 --> 00:49:37,917 A police recruit heard a splash, 1203 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:42,166 and two days later, Cater's body was found. 1204 00:49:42,250 --> 00:49:44,417 ♪ ♪ 1205 00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:46,583 Two days? No. 1206 00:49:48,208 --> 00:49:50,583 Far, far more. 1207 00:49:50,667 --> 00:49:53,625 - Medical examiners can tell whether a body has been 1208 00:49:53,709 --> 00:49:57,000 in the water for more than two days. 1209 00:49:57,083 --> 00:49:59,166 You can tell by the decomposition. 1210 00:50:00,750 --> 00:50:03,458 Two days to a week-plus, 1211 00:50:03,542 --> 00:50:05,291 that's absolutely too far apart. 1212 00:50:05,375 --> 00:50:07,333 ♪ ♪ 1213 00:50:07,417 --> 00:50:09,125 Somebody is lying. 1214 00:50:09,208 --> 00:50:10,709 It doesn't make sense. 1215 00:50:12,083 --> 00:50:14,834 - Let me specifically point out something. 1216 00:50:14,917 --> 00:50:17,166 I mean, it's pretty clear. 1217 00:50:17,250 --> 00:50:21,709 Dr. Zaki says, "summation of autopsy findings for 1218 00:50:21,792 --> 00:50:25,041 Jimmy Ray Payne"-- the second victim-- 1219 00:50:25,125 --> 00:50:28,667 "had it not been for other killings, 1220 00:50:28,750 --> 00:50:31,333 he "in all probability would have ruled the death 1221 00:50:31,417 --> 00:50:32,750 an accidental drowning." 1222 00:50:34,583 --> 00:50:37,959 Jimmy Ray Payne was 21 years old. 1223 00:50:39,250 --> 00:50:42,250 He was found floating in the Chattahoochee. 1224 00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:46,458 He was in the typical floater position, 1225 00:50:46,542 --> 00:50:50,125 which is the position your body absorbs when you drown. 1226 00:50:51,125 --> 00:50:53,709 He'd been in the water for quite some time. 1227 00:50:53,792 --> 00:50:56,500 He had skin slippage, which means that 1228 00:50:56,583 --> 00:50:59,500 the outside layer of the skin dissolved. 1229 00:51:01,083 --> 00:51:03,750 He was found in swim trunks. 1230 00:51:03,834 --> 00:51:06,125 Seemed to me that he drowned. 1231 00:51:07,125 --> 00:51:10,041 I didn't believe that this was 1232 00:51:10,125 --> 00:51:13,333 a legal, medical murder. 1233 00:51:13,417 --> 00:51:16,875 - Dr. Saleh Zaki admitted he could not positively say 1234 00:51:16,959 --> 00:51:18,250 Jimmy Ray Payne was dead 1235 00:51:18,333 --> 00:51:20,041 when he entered the Chattahoochee River. 1236 00:51:20,125 --> 00:51:21,500 During cross-examination, 1237 00:51:21,583 --> 00:51:23,917 Alvin Binder asked Zaki, quote, 1238 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,792 "You cannot say that man was not alive 1239 00:51:26,875 --> 00:51:28,250 when he entered the water?" 1240 00:51:28,333 --> 00:51:31,166 Zaki said, "Based on the autopsy, no." 1241 00:51:32,458 --> 00:51:34,750 - Jimmy Ray Payne's autopsy 1242 00:51:34,834 --> 00:51:37,625 was first listed as undetermined. 1243 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,083 And then it was changed 1244 00:51:41,166 --> 00:51:42,083 to homicide. 1245 00:51:42,166 --> 00:51:45,709 Dr. Saleh Zaki allegedly 1246 00:51:45,792 --> 00:51:47,959 changed the cause of death 1247 00:51:48,041 --> 00:51:50,000 after Wayne was arrested, 1248 00:51:50,083 --> 00:51:53,125 due to pressure from prosecutors. 1249 00:51:54,667 --> 00:51:57,083 - He changes it because it was wrong. 1250 00:51:57,166 --> 00:52:00,291 Because there were two different death certificates, 1251 00:52:00,375 --> 00:52:03,375 it became a huge argument for the defense. 1252 00:52:03,458 --> 00:52:05,166 ♪ ♪ 1253 00:52:05,250 --> 00:52:07,875 - I've practiced law for over 40-plus years. 1254 00:52:09,166 --> 00:52:13,500 That is the only case that I have a memory of 1255 00:52:13,583 --> 00:52:16,125 where the autopsy was changed 1256 00:52:16,208 --> 00:52:19,959 from undetermined to a homicide. 1257 00:52:20,041 --> 00:52:21,000 It is so rare. 1258 00:52:21,083 --> 00:52:23,333 It is an extraordinarily rare occurrence. 1259 00:52:23,417 --> 00:52:24,792 - How you doing? - Hello. 1260 00:52:24,875 --> 00:52:29,291 - We're only fighting two alleged murder cases 1261 00:52:29,375 --> 00:52:31,625 at this point in time. 1262 00:52:31,709 --> 00:52:33,709 So we felt pretty safe. 1263 00:52:34,875 --> 00:52:36,792 - Williams is charged only with two of 1264 00:52:36,875 --> 00:52:39,667 the 28 murders on the special task force list, 1265 00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:41,959 but the prosecution wants to introduce evidence 1266 00:52:42,041 --> 00:52:44,500 linking Williams to ten additional victims, 1267 00:52:44,583 --> 00:52:47,250 including one whose name was never on the list. 1268 00:52:47,333 --> 00:52:48,792 ♪ ♪ 1269 00:52:48,875 --> 00:52:50,709 - Big mistake. 1270 00:52:50,792 --> 00:52:53,709 [dramatic music] 1271 00:52:53,792 --> 00:53:00,792 ♪ ♪ 1272 00:53:28,792 --> 00:53:30,792 [bright tone] 1273 00:53:32,875 --> 00:53:34,583 MAN: The state built its case 1274 00:53:34,917 --> 00:53:37,500 that if Wayne Williams killed one, 1275 00:53:37,959 --> 00:53:39,125 he killed them all. 1276 00:53:39,917 --> 00:53:41,959 MAN 2: The prosecution claimed that the fiber 1277 00:53:42,041 --> 00:53:43,417 in Wayne's carpet was rare. 1278 00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:44,667 It was all fake math, 1279 00:53:44,750 --> 00:53:47,041 and they presented it to the jury as hard facts. 1280 00:53:47,125 --> 00:53:49,208 OFFICER: Twenty-three cases were boxed up. 1281 00:53:49,291 --> 00:53:51,291 That is shockingly negligent. 1282 00:53:51,375 --> 00:53:55,750 There was somebody interfering in the decision-making process. 1283 00:53:55,834 --> 00:53:57,375 MAN 3: He dropped a body off a bridge, 1284 00:53:57,458 --> 00:53:59,750 he got convicted, he's gonna die in prison. 1285 00:54:00,417 --> 00:54:01,875 That's a success story. 1286 00:54:01,959 --> 00:54:03,792 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 88433

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