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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:44,044 --> 00:00:46,921 People once called New York "Fun City." 2 00:00:47,005 --> 00:00:51,593 Now the police and firemen's unions in New York are calling it "Fear City." 3 00:00:53,219 --> 00:00:56,139 There was a dispute over here, and he gets shot in the head. 4 00:01:01,019 --> 00:01:03,521 Take that cocksucker out. 5 00:01:05,815 --> 00:01:08,068 This is a story about New York. 6 00:01:08,693 --> 00:01:11,029 There's been a lot of muggings, 7 00:01:11,112 --> 00:01:12,197 killings. 8 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,076 Seven people have been murdered, their throats cut with a foot-long knife. 9 00:01:16,159 --> 00:01:19,370 It's a story about horrible acts of violence. 10 00:01:19,913 --> 00:01:23,208 It seems organized crime may have turned an abandoned railroad tunnel 11 00:01:23,291 --> 00:01:25,543 into a graveyard for as many as 60 people. 12 00:01:25,627 --> 00:01:28,129 Twenty-seven people have been eliminated. 13 00:01:28,213 --> 00:01:33,843 And then it's a story about greed for money and power and dominance. 14 00:01:34,761 --> 00:01:36,679 Federal officials say the Mob's income 15 00:01:36,763 --> 00:01:39,224 could total 60 to 100 billion dollars a year. 16 00:01:45,313 --> 00:01:46,773 Ninety-seven-04. 17 00:01:46,856 --> 00:01:49,484 New York was held in the grip of the Mafia. 18 00:01:50,610 --> 00:01:53,613 As I've tried to tell the president, the vice president, to Congress, 19 00:01:53,696 --> 00:01:56,991 what's going on here, they're not listening. This is a war. 20 00:02:00,578 --> 00:02:04,624 The director of the FBI said, "What are we going to do about this?" 21 00:02:14,592 --> 00:02:19,097 This was billed as the biggest organized crime investigation ever. 22 00:02:21,641 --> 00:02:23,351 We were gonna bug the Mafia. 23 00:02:23,434 --> 00:02:26,354 - Is Jimmy there? - He left about five minutes ago. 24 00:02:26,437 --> 00:02:30,859 We were gonna hear them on the tapes, with our very own ears. 25 00:03:58,529 --> 00:04:01,866 In the '70s, the city of New York was owned by the Mob. 26 00:04:04,994 --> 00:04:07,121 I had seen what Italian organized crime 27 00:04:07,205 --> 00:04:09,874 had done in the neighborhood I grew up in in Brooklyn. 28 00:04:10,458 --> 00:04:15,296 A few summers, I worked for my uncle, Jimmy Schiavone, in a butcher shop. 29 00:04:16,339 --> 00:04:19,050 My uncle, he owed money to the Mob. 30 00:04:19,550 --> 00:04:22,303 The poor guy worked six days a week to pay it back. 31 00:04:22,929 --> 00:04:26,933 Meantime, I'd see these wiseguys come in from the Bonanno crime family... 32 00:04:27,016 --> 00:04:28,016 bulls. 33 00:04:28,643 --> 00:04:30,812 And my... my uncle was in the back. 34 00:04:30,895 --> 00:04:32,605 And he would be schvitzing. 35 00:04:32,689 --> 00:04:35,566 He would be sweating, because they'd be threatening him. 36 00:04:36,067 --> 00:04:38,903 They'd threaten his son, Joey, Jr. 37 00:04:38,987 --> 00:04:41,531 They'd threaten my aunt, Aunt Lucy. 38 00:04:41,614 --> 00:04:44,784 And actually they'd look at me and say, "Who's the kid, right?" 39 00:04:44,867 --> 00:04:47,453 And he'd say, "No, no he's just the delivery boy." 40 00:04:47,537 --> 00:04:49,330 But, man, that was frightening days. 41 00:04:49,414 --> 00:04:52,208 You knew when you borrowed money from them. 42 00:04:52,292 --> 00:04:54,002 They... If you didn't pay on time, 43 00:04:54,085 --> 00:04:56,504 they'd bend your leg and stuff it in your pocket. 44 00:05:04,095 --> 00:05:06,806 My boxing trainer, my baseball coach, 45 00:05:06,889 --> 00:05:09,767 my barber were all involved with the Mob. 46 00:05:09,851 --> 00:05:11,519 And I started getting an education, 47 00:05:11,602 --> 00:05:14,564 really understanding the street by the time I'm 14, 15. 48 00:05:14,647 --> 00:05:16,357 By the time I'm the time I'm 17, 18, 49 00:05:16,441 --> 00:05:18,192 I'm already collecting money. 50 00:05:18,276 --> 00:05:20,862 And I'm told when to talk, when not to talk, 51 00:05:20,945 --> 00:05:22,238 or when to just hurt somebody. 52 00:05:24,824 --> 00:05:26,492 You wanna motivate 'em. 53 00:05:28,453 --> 00:05:30,204 "Better have that money this fucking week." 54 00:05:30,288 --> 00:05:33,416 If you don't have that money, I'm gonna come see you in a different way. 55 00:05:33,499 --> 00:05:36,044 Have that fucking money." Now, when a guy comes to see me 56 00:05:36,127 --> 00:05:38,588 and he insults me with $1,000, yeah, I hurt him. 57 00:05:39,464 --> 00:05:42,264 After I hurt him, I tell him to go get me the rest of my fucking money. 58 00:05:43,384 --> 00:05:44,384 Now there's no patience. 59 00:05:44,427 --> 00:05:47,263 He doesn't have the money a week before then, I baseball bat him. 60 00:05:52,852 --> 00:05:56,189 I liked lending money out to people. It was good business. 61 00:05:56,689 --> 00:05:58,441 If somebody couldn't pay, 62 00:05:58,524 --> 00:06:00,610 then the idea is we become their partner. 63 00:06:02,820 --> 00:06:05,198 I acquired a Chevrolet agency that way. 64 00:06:05,281 --> 00:06:06,721 Then I started making a lot of money 65 00:06:06,783 --> 00:06:09,118 and started to use that life to benefit me. 66 00:06:10,953 --> 00:06:13,081 The gasoline scheme was the biggest thing 67 00:06:13,164 --> 00:06:14,582 that certainly I ever had. 68 00:06:15,541 --> 00:06:18,628 There was a guy that had a small gas operation out in Long Island. 69 00:06:18,711 --> 00:06:22,382 He comes to me, and he says, "Mike, I have a germ of an idea, 70 00:06:22,465 --> 00:06:24,759 where we might be able to defraud the government 71 00:06:24,842 --> 00:06:27,136 out of tax on a gallon of gasoline." 72 00:06:27,220 --> 00:06:29,472 So he got my attention. I didn't like the government. 73 00:06:29,555 --> 00:06:32,058 Puts the box on the table. Opens it up. 74 00:06:32,141 --> 00:06:38,022 He said, "This is the first week's take in the gas business: $320,000." 75 00:06:39,524 --> 00:06:40,566 From that point on, 76 00:06:40,650 --> 00:06:44,404 I grew that operation to between eight and ten million dollars a week. 77 00:06:45,696 --> 00:06:48,825 We were selling gas to branded, unbranded stations, everybody, 78 00:06:48,908 --> 00:06:51,786 'cause we were undercutting everybody. We weren't paying the tax. 79 00:06:52,370 --> 00:06:53,955 The FBI couldn't figure it out. 80 00:06:56,332 --> 00:06:57,583 I'll never forget one day: 81 00:06:57,667 --> 00:07:00,044 I was at my office at my automobile dealership. 82 00:07:00,128 --> 00:07:01,587 Two FBI agents come in. 83 00:07:01,671 --> 00:07:05,133 They said, "Look, we know you got something going on with this gas. 84 00:07:05,216 --> 00:07:06,884 Just tell us how you're doing it. 85 00:07:06,968 --> 00:07:09,262 You tell us how you're doing it. We'll give you a pass." 86 00:07:09,679 --> 00:07:11,359 I said, "I dunno what you're talking about. 87 00:07:11,431 --> 00:07:13,111 You wanna buy a car? I'll give you a break. 88 00:07:13,182 --> 00:07:15,143 I like you guys. Don't worry about it." 89 00:07:15,226 --> 00:07:17,311 But that's how frustrated they were with us. 90 00:07:17,395 --> 00:07:19,939 They knew we were doing it, but they could never figure it out. 91 00:07:21,524 --> 00:07:23,985 It was the golden era of the Mob. 92 00:07:25,403 --> 00:07:27,905 The FBI couldn't keep up with us. There was no way. 93 00:07:47,133 --> 00:07:51,554 Our relationship with the Mafia... it was a cat and mouse game. 94 00:07:52,513 --> 00:07:54,182 A very serious game, to be sure. 95 00:07:57,310 --> 00:08:00,354 I can't tell you how many times a wiseguy would say to me, 96 00:08:00,438 --> 00:08:02,565 "You do what you gotta do. I do what I gotta do." 97 00:08:02,648 --> 00:08:05,526 I used to tell them, "Hey, you do your job. We'll do ours. 98 00:08:05,610 --> 00:08:07,528 You catch us the right way, no complaints." 99 00:08:07,612 --> 00:08:11,073 Their job is to lock you up. Our job is to get away with it. 100 00:08:11,157 --> 00:08:12,575 You see them in a van, 101 00:08:12,658 --> 00:08:16,037 you smile and you wave, because you're being cocky with them. 102 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,206 They'd either walk away or tell me fuck off. 103 00:08:18,623 --> 00:08:21,959 If you didn't get told that in Brooklyn, you'd done something wrong. 104 00:08:27,215 --> 00:08:30,760 There was organized crime investigations being conducted 105 00:08:30,843 --> 00:08:33,471 in three separate FBI offices, 106 00:08:33,554 --> 00:08:37,099 but each of them had their own idea about how to approach the problem. 107 00:08:37,183 --> 00:08:41,187 So, there was organized crime, but very unorganized investigations. 108 00:08:41,270 --> 00:08:43,981 We had no strategy. We had no plan. 109 00:08:50,905 --> 00:08:53,115 When we would come across somebody we didn't know, 110 00:08:53,199 --> 00:08:55,439 the only thing we could do was take a photograph of them. 111 00:08:56,035 --> 00:08:59,121 Then we could go out to our informants and say, "Do you know this guy?" 112 00:08:59,205 --> 00:09:01,332 They'd say, "Yeah, I know that guy." "What's he do? 113 00:09:01,415 --> 00:09:04,126 What's his criminal activity? Who's he connected with?" 114 00:09:04,210 --> 00:09:05,962 And then we'd put them on a board. 115 00:09:06,546 --> 00:09:08,923 We had a very, very good idea of who was who 116 00:09:09,006 --> 00:09:12,134 and how the Mafia was structured in New York. 117 00:09:12,218 --> 00:09:14,095 The five Italian organized crime families were. 118 00:09:14,178 --> 00:09:17,974 Gambino, Genovese, Lucchese, Colombo, and Bonanno. 119 00:09:19,433 --> 00:09:20,935 The families were very structured. 120 00:09:22,728 --> 00:09:24,564 It started at the top with the boss, 121 00:09:24,647 --> 00:09:27,984 then you had the underboss, who was really the second in command, 122 00:09:28,067 --> 00:09:30,861 and then you had your caporegimes, captains, 123 00:09:30,945 --> 00:09:33,114 and then you had the soldiers under them. 124 00:09:33,614 --> 00:09:37,285 The way the families were structured gave us a very powerful position. 125 00:09:39,161 --> 00:09:42,498 The biggest problem was that you could never get to an underboss 126 00:09:42,582 --> 00:09:43,708 or the boss himself. 127 00:09:43,791 --> 00:09:47,378 They were too well-insulated from whatever criminal activity was done. 128 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,047 They had no connection with it whatsoever. 129 00:09:51,257 --> 00:09:54,302 The lower-level guys were out there committing the criminal acts 130 00:09:54,385 --> 00:09:56,429 and kicking the money up to the higher-ups. 131 00:09:57,638 --> 00:10:00,349 The average wiseguy, we knew what he was doing. 132 00:10:00,433 --> 00:10:02,184 We put him in jail for a year, 133 00:10:02,768 --> 00:10:04,562 but it didn't solve the problem. 134 00:10:06,230 --> 00:10:08,399 Whatever their money making scheme was went right on, 135 00:10:08,482 --> 00:10:10,234 virtually without interruption, 136 00:10:10,318 --> 00:10:13,029 'cause there's a lot of guys waiting in the wings to take his place. 137 00:10:17,825 --> 00:10:19,952 You know how I would spot the wiseguys? 138 00:10:20,453 --> 00:10:23,497 - Well, particularly in the disco era... - Mm-hmm. 139 00:10:23,581 --> 00:10:27,126 They had the polyester waffle-weave bell bottoms. 140 00:10:27,710 --> 00:10:30,838 They had the open neck, you know? They had to have the hair. 141 00:10:30,921 --> 00:10:35,176 Then they'd have their toilette water on, you know, like that Old Spice, Hai Karate. 142 00:10:35,259 --> 00:10:36,844 - Lilac water. - Ah. 143 00:10:36,927 --> 00:10:40,014 Man, you light a match, you'd all be blown to kingdom come. 144 00:10:47,897 --> 00:10:53,152 In the '70s, when we started moving heroin and cocaine, it was huge. 145 00:10:53,235 --> 00:10:54,987 We were making a million a month. 146 00:10:55,738 --> 00:10:57,031 We partied constantly. 147 00:10:58,407 --> 00:10:59,617 All the gangsters used. 148 00:10:59,700 --> 00:11:02,328 They'll tell you they never did, but they did. 149 00:11:02,411 --> 00:11:05,998 Say nobody cheated on their wives, but everybody cheated on their wives. 150 00:11:06,082 --> 00:11:08,751 Nobody drank champagne. We drank champagne day and night. 151 00:11:20,054 --> 00:11:22,973 The wiseguys were collecting the moola-shmoola. 152 00:11:23,057 --> 00:11:25,893 In the mean time, the city of New York was total anarchy. 153 00:11:26,644 --> 00:11:29,438 The Bronx was burning like every night. 154 00:11:29,522 --> 00:11:32,942 Buildings were being either torched by the landlord for the insurance 155 00:11:33,025 --> 00:11:34,193 or torched by gangs. 156 00:11:37,196 --> 00:11:39,865 There is a war in progress on the streets of New York 157 00:11:39,949 --> 00:11:42,952 to see who's gonna control portions of the illegal drug market. 158 00:11:43,035 --> 00:11:44,328 New York was lawless. 159 00:11:44,412 --> 00:11:47,957 One hundred eighty-seven banks were robbed in this town this month, 160 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:49,440 and there's still another day left. 161 00:11:49,500 --> 00:11:53,379 Bank robberies, hijackings, drugs, murder, extortion, 162 00:11:53,462 --> 00:11:55,214 loan sharking, gambling, you name it. 163 00:11:55,339 --> 00:11:58,426 Organized crime controlled virtually everything you can think of. 164 00:12:00,052 --> 00:12:02,680 No matter how much manpower we put out there, 165 00:12:03,097 --> 00:12:05,933 the Mafia ran virtually unfettered in New York. 166 00:12:07,017 --> 00:12:08,144 The Guardian Angels 167 00:12:08,227 --> 00:12:11,272 is a group of youths who have taken it upon themselves to fight subway crime. 168 00:12:12,106 --> 00:12:14,275 We had to take the law into our own hands. 169 00:12:14,358 --> 00:12:17,236 As Guardian Angels, trying to maintain law and order... 170 00:12:18,946 --> 00:12:22,867 The cops didn't like it, but we said, "Tough noogies, too bad, 171 00:12:22,950 --> 00:12:25,995 because you guys turned the city over to organized crime." 172 00:12:28,622 --> 00:12:31,542 Look, I had a jet plane. I had a Lear 25. 173 00:12:31,625 --> 00:12:33,169 I had a helicopter at that time. 174 00:12:33,252 --> 00:12:35,171 I had a house in Florida, a house in New York. 175 00:12:35,254 --> 00:12:38,674 I built a 7,000-square-foot house with a racquetball court. 176 00:12:40,050 --> 00:12:41,093 We were untouchable. 177 00:12:41,594 --> 00:12:42,595 Who's gonna stop us? 178 00:12:42,678 --> 00:12:45,347 You felt like you had the power to do anything you want. 179 00:12:46,432 --> 00:12:48,309 I didn't have any power to do anything. 180 00:12:48,392 --> 00:12:51,145 We were lucky if we put one or two guys in jail every year. 181 00:12:53,939 --> 00:12:56,192 I didn't feel New York was mine for the taking. 182 00:12:56,275 --> 00:12:57,818 I thought we already took it. 183 00:13:17,963 --> 00:13:20,841 New York was held in the grip of the Mafia. 184 00:13:22,051 --> 00:13:24,804 The government was not controlling much of anything. 185 00:13:27,348 --> 00:13:30,434 That was the worst part about it. People didn't believe that law enforcement 186 00:13:30,518 --> 00:13:32,853 could do anything about the Mafia. 187 00:13:33,729 --> 00:13:35,397 It was gonna be here forever. 188 00:13:48,536 --> 00:13:50,704 We had a meeting in Washington, D.C., 189 00:13:50,788 --> 00:13:52,456 the Department of Justice. 190 00:13:53,791 --> 00:13:57,586 The director of the FBI said, "What are we going to do about this?" 191 00:14:11,392 --> 00:14:14,937 At the time, the FBI was totally unsuccessful. 192 00:14:15,980 --> 00:14:20,317 But we already had the perfect tools to bring down the Mafia. 193 00:14:22,403 --> 00:14:27,533 The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act... 194 00:14:29,118 --> 00:14:31,078 commonly referred to as RICO, 195 00:14:31,161 --> 00:14:38,002 was a law that I wrote in 1970 to dismantle the Mafia, bosses and all. 196 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:43,799 The FBI had this law for ten years and didn't know how to use it. 197 00:14:45,509 --> 00:14:49,263 So I figured maybe what we could do is have a training course 198 00:14:49,930 --> 00:14:51,265 at Cornell, right here. 199 00:14:56,562 --> 00:14:59,732 March of '79, the boss wanted us to go 200 00:14:59,815 --> 00:15:02,484 to a seminar at Cornell University Law School 201 00:15:02,568 --> 00:15:05,195 having to do with organized crime problems. 202 00:15:07,948 --> 00:15:10,367 It was a week of spending time away from the family. 203 00:15:10,451 --> 00:15:14,663 I wasn't really seeing what benefit it was to me or to us. 204 00:15:15,372 --> 00:15:16,999 I went kicking and screaming, 205 00:15:17,082 --> 00:15:19,501 but as it turned out, it would change everything. 206 00:15:22,338 --> 00:15:24,048 Question is, why RICO? 207 00:15:25,424 --> 00:15:29,094 You need to know what we had before RICO. 208 00:15:30,971 --> 00:15:36,060 Before RICO, we could arrest the foot soldiers in the Mafia family 209 00:15:36,143 --> 00:15:39,063 for things like extortion, murder, drug-dealing, 210 00:15:39,647 --> 00:15:42,733 but we had no way of tying... 211 00:15:43,734 --> 00:15:45,444 the foot soldiers to the bosses. 212 00:15:49,073 --> 00:15:52,701 I was telling them, "What you've gotta do is take out the organization. 213 00:15:52,785 --> 00:15:54,787 And you're not gonna take out the organization 214 00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:56,872 unless you focus on the organization." 215 00:16:00,918 --> 00:16:05,297 By defining these people as bosses and members of this organization, 216 00:16:05,923 --> 00:16:07,967 they're now all joined together. 217 00:16:10,010 --> 00:16:13,138 Using RICO, a person can now be convicted 218 00:16:13,222 --> 00:16:16,558 because they ordered somebody to commit a crime. 219 00:16:17,643 --> 00:16:20,312 So you could now prosecute a group of people 220 00:16:20,813 --> 00:16:23,482 who had committed those crimes together. 221 00:16:24,817 --> 00:16:28,821 That way you can go after the whole organization at one time. 222 00:16:31,031 --> 00:16:34,618 You need to be able to show that this crime was related 223 00:16:34,702 --> 00:16:37,162 to an organization that does crime the whole time. 224 00:16:38,747 --> 00:16:41,375 - The definition of power... - Bob Blakey said, 225 00:16:41,458 --> 00:16:45,087 "You should prosecute these Mob guys not as individual people, 226 00:16:45,170 --> 00:16:49,133 but as a group of people committing crimes as a business." 227 00:16:52,052 --> 00:16:55,139 It was like an epiphany for me... a rush. 228 00:16:57,516 --> 00:17:02,396 Now I could see how I could redirect the agents 229 00:17:02,479 --> 00:17:05,274 and make them understand what we had to do. 230 00:17:06,734 --> 00:17:10,446 Now I knew how we could bring down the entire New York Mafia. 231 00:17:27,629 --> 00:17:29,256 The plan was to develop a RICO case 232 00:17:29,339 --> 00:17:31,341 against each of the Five Families. 233 00:17:33,469 --> 00:17:37,306 Organized crime requires organized investigation. 234 00:17:38,682 --> 00:17:41,226 We would have five Family squads, 235 00:17:41,310 --> 00:17:44,438 and all the information about that particular Family 236 00:17:44,521 --> 00:17:46,398 would only go that one squad. 237 00:17:47,608 --> 00:17:50,861 Kossler brought us into the conference room one day 238 00:17:50,944 --> 00:17:54,740 and said, "We're not leaving the room until we have a written document 239 00:17:54,823 --> 00:17:58,952 of how we work... organized crime cases under the RICO statute." 240 00:17:59,495 --> 00:18:02,081 We didn't know anything about the RICO law, frankly, 241 00:18:02,164 --> 00:18:03,999 because we never used it. 242 00:18:05,417 --> 00:18:08,754 All of a sudden, people said, "Wait a minute. I have all these cases 243 00:18:08,837 --> 00:18:10,756 involving all those people down here." 244 00:18:11,256 --> 00:18:15,469 "Close them, because we're only gonna go after these people up here." 245 00:18:16,261 --> 00:18:18,472 You're talking about a major operation: 246 00:18:18,555 --> 00:18:23,185 One squad per family, going after the bosses of all Five Families. 247 00:18:23,977 --> 00:18:25,854 When he first broached that to me, I... 248 00:18:26,438 --> 00:18:28,690 I had my doubts. How're we gonna do that? 249 00:18:31,735 --> 00:18:34,738 The problem was that no matter how hard you tried, 250 00:18:34,822 --> 00:18:37,991 it was very, very difficult to get a cooperating witness. 251 00:18:38,951 --> 00:18:40,786 They were too afraid to talk on the record. 252 00:18:51,547 --> 00:18:52,881 We had a strict code. 253 00:18:53,549 --> 00:18:57,553 It was the main reason why the Mob survived and prospered 254 00:18:57,636 --> 00:18:59,930 for well over a hundred years in this country. 255 00:19:02,766 --> 00:19:05,686 I took the blood oath on Halloween Night, 1975. 256 00:19:07,521 --> 00:19:10,315 The boss was seated at the head of, like, a horseshoe configuration, 257 00:19:10,399 --> 00:19:12,276 and all the captains were alongside of that. 258 00:19:13,443 --> 00:19:16,321 I held out my hand. He took a knife, cut my finger. 259 00:19:20,701 --> 00:19:24,079 He took a picture of a saint, put it on my hands, lit a flame... 260 00:19:25,247 --> 00:19:28,792 and he said, "Tonight, Michael Franzese, you are born again into a new life." 261 00:19:34,089 --> 00:19:37,634 He said, "Betray your brothers and you will die and burn in hell 262 00:19:37,718 --> 00:19:39,845 like this saint is burning in your hands." 263 00:19:41,388 --> 00:19:42,681 He said, "Do you accept?" 264 00:19:44,183 --> 00:19:45,183 "Yes, I do." 265 00:19:46,518 --> 00:19:47,936 Guys like myself... 266 00:19:48,437 --> 00:19:51,273 everybody on the street, they knew, you become the witness, 267 00:19:51,356 --> 00:19:53,734 you're probably gonna pay for it with your life. 268 00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:56,695 You feared the boss. 269 00:19:57,654 --> 00:19:59,698 You feared breaking the code. 270 00:20:04,077 --> 00:20:09,166 The Yankess are one game away from ending the 1980 baseball season... 271 00:20:09,249 --> 00:20:12,753 Someone who becomes a member of the Mafia won't testify. 272 00:20:12,836 --> 00:20:14,379 It was a secret society. 273 00:20:15,547 --> 00:20:17,966 But we had a good solution to a big problem. 274 00:20:18,884 --> 00:20:22,971 Without cooperating witnesses, the plan was to start bugging the Mob. 275 00:20:24,723 --> 00:20:27,059 Put bugs in the places where they operated. 276 00:20:28,852 --> 00:20:31,480 It might be a restaurant he frequents. 277 00:20:33,941 --> 00:20:37,402 It might be a car that he uses. It might be his house. 278 00:20:41,406 --> 00:20:43,825 The ultimate goal was to record evidence 279 00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:46,578 that's coming directly from the boss's mouth 280 00:20:46,662 --> 00:20:48,830 as to what criminal activity he was involved in 281 00:20:48,914 --> 00:20:50,499 and who was in it involved with him. 282 00:20:53,168 --> 00:20:55,879 You can use that to bring the whole organization down. 283 00:20:59,258 --> 00:21:01,260 That was gonna take a lot of manpower. 284 00:21:02,386 --> 00:21:05,264 I asked headquarters to send us 50 agents. 285 00:21:05,347 --> 00:21:08,767 The director said, "Give New York whatever it needs." 286 00:21:19,236 --> 00:21:20,612 We started off on day one. 287 00:21:20,696 --> 00:21:24,324 I had the Gambino family. It was one of the most powerful families. 288 00:21:24,408 --> 00:21:27,911 There were close to 21 captains, over three hundred soldiers... 289 00:21:27,995 --> 00:21:29,413 thousands of associates. 290 00:21:32,791 --> 00:21:37,212 And the largest target was Paul Castellano, the boss of the family. 291 00:21:40,590 --> 00:21:43,385 Castellano ran the family like a Fortune 500 business. 292 00:21:44,094 --> 00:21:47,639 They called him the white-collar don because he read The Wall Street Journal. 293 00:21:47,723 --> 00:21:49,474 He was very successful financially. 294 00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:52,728 But the most important thing he understood was, 295 00:21:52,811 --> 00:21:54,354 in order to rule a crime family, 296 00:21:54,438 --> 00:21:56,982 you have to instill fear in your soldiers and captains. 297 00:21:57,065 --> 00:21:59,484 And he had a bunch of real tough guys around him 298 00:21:59,568 --> 00:22:01,486 who were like hit men for the Mob. 299 00:22:05,032 --> 00:22:08,452 Paul Castellano was a boss. We knew he was very wealthy. 300 00:22:08,535 --> 00:22:09,911 We knew we was very strong. 301 00:22:10,454 --> 00:22:12,456 He had 20-something guys killed. 302 00:22:12,956 --> 00:22:16,460 So when people say he was a soft, white-collar criminal, 303 00:22:16,543 --> 00:22:20,672 that's the furthest thing from the truth. I actually looked up to the guy. 304 00:22:20,756 --> 00:22:24,009 This is a guy who's smart enough to kill the way had people killed, 305 00:22:24,092 --> 00:22:26,178 but yet not be called a killer. 306 00:22:27,179 --> 00:22:30,599 Because he is a killer. It's just not by his own hand. 307 00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:37,356 He lived in a big house on Staten Island. 308 00:22:37,939 --> 00:22:40,400 Our goal was to put a microphone there. 309 00:22:40,484 --> 00:22:43,153 Then when you play the tapes at trial, your best witnesses are 310 00:22:43,236 --> 00:22:44,946 the criminals themselves, the mobsters. 311 00:22:45,655 --> 00:22:49,826 The problem was you cannot bug anyone without a court order. 312 00:22:49,910 --> 00:22:53,663 I have got to come up with enough information, 313 00:22:53,747 --> 00:22:57,334 either from surveillance or from informants, 314 00:22:57,417 --> 00:23:00,754 that links Paul Castellano to criminal activity. 315 00:23:01,755 --> 00:23:04,549 So the plan was to work our way up from the bottom. 316 00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:07,135 We want the gossip in the family. We want the blabbermouth, 317 00:23:07,219 --> 00:23:08,470 the guy who talks a lot. 318 00:23:12,224 --> 00:23:14,810 When I started as an organized crime investigator, 319 00:23:14,893 --> 00:23:16,436 I was assigned to the Gambino squad. 320 00:23:18,647 --> 00:23:21,650 We were focused on this small group in Queens. 321 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,823 Bergin Hunt and Fish Club was a Mafia social club 322 00:23:27,906 --> 00:23:30,659 where they hung out and talked about their crimes. 323 00:23:36,206 --> 00:23:39,334 John Gotti was the captain of this little den of thieves. 324 00:23:44,464 --> 00:23:49,469 This crew were kind of thuggish, and they handled a lot of street rackets: 325 00:23:49,553 --> 00:23:53,265 Loan sharking primarily, and gambling, and bookie joints. 326 00:23:53,348 --> 00:23:55,225 And they were hijackers. 327 00:23:55,308 --> 00:23:56,810 That was the more violent crimes. 328 00:23:58,145 --> 00:24:00,605 Bergin Hunt and Fish Club was our Wall Street. 329 00:24:01,690 --> 00:24:04,693 When guys go to work on Wall Street, they show up to the office, 330 00:24:04,776 --> 00:24:06,987 and we show up to the Bergin Hunt and Fish Club. 331 00:24:07,070 --> 00:24:08,989 And we wait for our boss, our CEO... 332 00:24:09,656 --> 00:24:10,656 John Gotti. 333 00:24:12,742 --> 00:24:15,328 I'm there 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 334 00:24:15,412 --> 00:24:17,456 on call for when that man wanted me. 335 00:24:18,498 --> 00:24:21,835 We're running numbers. We're running drugs. We're running girls. 336 00:24:21,918 --> 00:24:23,503 Anything that's illegal. 337 00:24:25,630 --> 00:24:27,174 I tasked all the agents: 338 00:24:27,257 --> 00:24:30,427 "Let's find out what these guys are doing, who's making all the money, 339 00:24:30,510 --> 00:24:32,095 and try to look for a weak link." 340 00:24:41,438 --> 00:24:45,108 The FBI had an office very close to the Bergin Hunt and Fish Club. 341 00:24:45,192 --> 00:24:47,360 We were taught, especially by Gotti: 342 00:24:47,777 --> 00:24:50,113 "If they're around, they're around. We know they're around, 343 00:24:50,197 --> 00:24:52,782 so, 'Hello, how are you?' Be cordial." That's about it. 344 00:24:57,829 --> 00:25:00,999 We developed several high-level informants in Gotti's crew 345 00:25:01,082 --> 00:25:03,960 through a variety of means. Some were arrested, some we paid a lot. 346 00:25:04,044 --> 00:25:05,879 These guys provided a lot of information 347 00:25:05,962 --> 00:25:08,173 about who the weak links were in that crew. 348 00:25:12,052 --> 00:25:17,265 John's personal pit bull bodyguard was a tough guy known to be very violent. 349 00:25:18,183 --> 00:25:20,852 He would do anything, from making him tons of money 350 00:25:20,936 --> 00:25:22,812 to killing for him, to protecting him. 351 00:25:24,105 --> 00:25:25,815 His name was Angelo Ruggiero. 352 00:25:35,158 --> 00:25:37,911 Informants told us that he was a big gossip. 353 00:25:37,994 --> 00:25:40,705 They called him "Quack Quack." Not to his face. 354 00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:43,166 He ate a great deal. And he talked a great deal. 355 00:25:43,250 --> 00:25:46,878 So... his mouth was always in motion. 356 00:25:47,963 --> 00:25:50,048 Angelo was our blabbermouth. 357 00:25:53,885 --> 00:25:54,885 This was great. 358 00:25:54,928 --> 00:25:58,390 We went to the Attorney General of the United States and got approval 359 00:25:58,473 --> 00:26:00,559 to put a bug in Angelo Ruggiero's house. 360 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:02,686 We were off and running. 361 00:26:15,574 --> 00:26:18,785 A "black bag man" was an agent who had a skill set 362 00:26:18,868 --> 00:26:21,913 for planting a concealed microphone 363 00:26:21,997 --> 00:26:23,957 or getting through a locked door. 364 00:26:24,541 --> 00:26:27,669 And that's basically what was in the black bag of tricks. 365 00:26:29,004 --> 00:26:33,592 Many people don't operate in a covert world effectively. 366 00:26:33,675 --> 00:26:34,843 They don't blend. 367 00:26:37,721 --> 00:26:41,099 The most successful agents fit sort of my profile. 368 00:26:41,975 --> 00:26:44,311 Maybe I was a bad kid growing up. 369 00:26:44,394 --> 00:26:49,566 Maybe I learned how to hide and learned how to blend and so on and so forth. 370 00:26:52,027 --> 00:26:54,821 My blending technique would depend on the neighborhood. 371 00:26:54,904 --> 00:26:59,284 And generally speaking, I'm just a local guy doing his job. 372 00:27:09,836 --> 00:27:14,007 In the Ruggiero case, the house was always occupied. 373 00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:18,219 The neighborhood was too close and there was never an opportunity 374 00:27:18,303 --> 00:27:22,140 that we could guarantee the security of the entry team. 375 00:27:22,223 --> 00:27:25,894 So we came up with alternative options. 376 00:27:27,937 --> 00:27:31,274 Ruggiero's residence had problematic wiring. 377 00:27:31,358 --> 00:27:35,362 His telephone service would be out from time to time. 378 00:27:35,445 --> 00:27:36,946 We were just going to see 379 00:27:37,030 --> 00:27:40,367 if we could stretch that into an opportunity to get in the house. 380 00:27:42,786 --> 00:27:47,624 The complaint goes in because he has absolute legitimate trouble on his phone. 381 00:27:49,709 --> 00:27:55,465 We would ask the phone company to not dispatch... and I would show up. 382 00:28:13,274 --> 00:28:15,402 Ruggiero's a little hostile. 383 00:28:21,449 --> 00:28:22,659 We were always concerned 384 00:28:22,742 --> 00:28:25,870 that they didn't trust my undercover identity. 385 00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:31,710 But failure... 386 00:28:31,793 --> 00:28:33,545 honestly was not an option. 387 00:28:48,017 --> 00:28:50,937 I'm winging it. I'm making this up as I'm going along, 388 00:28:52,021 --> 00:28:54,691 trying to read the pulse of who I'm dealing with. 389 00:29:06,035 --> 00:29:08,163 Now I had an opportunity. 390 00:29:30,101 --> 00:29:31,686 We ran the wire to the back, 391 00:29:32,228 --> 00:29:33,438 and we're out of there. 392 00:29:49,621 --> 00:29:52,999 I was assigned to listen in on Angelo Ruggiero's home. 393 00:29:59,130 --> 00:30:02,467 When you were assigned a shift, you listened live. 394 00:30:03,051 --> 00:30:05,637 And you would listen to see who his colleagues are 395 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,723 and who he's in charge of and who he reports to. 396 00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:11,851 He tried to be a little cryptic. 397 00:30:11,935 --> 00:30:16,815 So you were kind of trying to capture the gist of what was being talked about. 398 00:30:23,988 --> 00:30:28,701 It was a total immersion into the life of a Mafia household. 399 00:30:28,785 --> 00:30:32,914 So, I never heard so many creative uses of the f-word in my life. 400 00:30:38,127 --> 00:30:41,422 If there were some hot, pertinent conversations, 401 00:30:41,506 --> 00:30:45,093 then those things were immediately turned over to the steno pool... 402 00:30:47,428 --> 00:30:49,973 who did their best to transcribe them. 403 00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:54,394 It was like some kind of soap opera. 404 00:30:54,978 --> 00:31:00,275 I got this impression that Angelo was this kind of cranky, over-verbal guy 405 00:31:00,358 --> 00:31:01,526 who loved his kids. 406 00:31:01,609 --> 00:31:05,113 The kids were, um... shall we say, a handful. 407 00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:11,619 He ran around and did a lot of meat-handed management 408 00:31:11,703 --> 00:31:15,874 of all these crew members in his Mafia crew and his family. 409 00:31:24,424 --> 00:31:27,385 It was harder to understand certain sections. 410 00:31:27,468 --> 00:31:32,098 So all the agents tended to get assigned to reviewing these conversations 411 00:31:32,181 --> 00:31:35,977 in order to make the transcripts sensible. 412 00:31:42,025 --> 00:31:44,819 And so you listened again and again and again. 413 00:31:54,829 --> 00:31:57,498 You were kind of trying to put the puzzle together. 414 00:31:58,041 --> 00:32:00,543 I mean, it was a real slow-going art. 415 00:32:19,187 --> 00:32:23,191 People on the squad had different input, and they'd say, "Wait, I hear this," 416 00:32:23,274 --> 00:32:25,485 and then you'd say, "Yeah, that's the key. 417 00:32:25,568 --> 00:32:27,362 That's what's going on in here." 418 00:32:44,420 --> 00:32:45,964 He would make reference to it. 419 00:32:46,047 --> 00:32:48,466 Did he get it? You know, did he get it? 420 00:33:03,773 --> 00:33:07,276 We're sitting there like, "Well, what is he talking about, you know?" 421 00:33:07,777 --> 00:33:10,989 You know, but then you had to put it with who he's speaking to. 422 00:33:11,072 --> 00:33:13,366 Who was that at the other end of that telephone? 423 00:33:32,927 --> 00:33:35,471 And of course, the FBI had technical abilities 424 00:33:35,555 --> 00:33:38,725 to track the phone, and over time, you'd figure out who it is. 425 00:33:38,808 --> 00:33:42,687 And then when you put it together, you'd say, he said, "Did you get it?" 426 00:33:42,770 --> 00:33:45,481 And he's talking to a guy who is a big drug dealer. 427 00:33:59,537 --> 00:34:01,164 Here we are in the middle of the day. 428 00:34:01,247 --> 00:34:04,333 Angelo is talking about two- or three-kilo heroin deals, 429 00:34:04,417 --> 00:34:07,837 while his wife and daughter are a few feet away washing the dishes. 430 00:34:09,756 --> 00:34:11,382 We had gathered evidence 431 00:34:11,466 --> 00:34:15,720 that Angelo was a big-time, multimillion-dollar heroin dealer. 432 00:34:18,347 --> 00:34:19,724 It was a big deal. 433 00:34:20,641 --> 00:34:25,438 But we still didn't have enough evidence that links Ruggiero's criminal activity 434 00:34:25,521 --> 00:34:28,441 to Paul Castellano, the boss of the Gambino family. 435 00:34:40,328 --> 00:34:42,288 For almost 6 months, we followed him around 436 00:34:42,371 --> 00:34:44,832 so we knew where he went for different meetings. 437 00:34:50,338 --> 00:34:53,049 We came to find out that he'd go up to the boss of the family, 438 00:34:53,132 --> 00:34:55,551 Paul Castellano's house on a regular basis. 439 00:34:57,303 --> 00:35:01,265 And then when the meeting was over, Ruggiero would come back to his house. 440 00:35:02,350 --> 00:35:04,060 And other Mob guys would come over, 441 00:35:04,143 --> 00:35:07,188 and Ruggiero would tell them all about what happened at the meeting. 442 00:35:07,271 --> 00:35:10,066 It's a big deal to meet with the boss of the family. 443 00:35:11,901 --> 00:35:12,985 It's a dream come true. 444 00:35:13,069 --> 00:35:16,697 It's proof that Castellano was meeting members of his crew at his house 445 00:35:16,781 --> 00:35:18,324 and talking criminal matters. 446 00:35:20,326 --> 00:35:24,080 This was the proof we wanted for approval for electronic surveillance 447 00:35:24,163 --> 00:35:25,540 of Castellano's house. 448 00:35:28,751 --> 00:35:30,545 It was an unbelievable moment, 449 00:35:30,628 --> 00:35:34,423 because now we could finally bug the boss's house. 450 00:35:34,507 --> 00:35:37,927 But it was gonna be a very tricky operation. 451 00:35:46,686 --> 00:35:49,939 It was a big house. It was referred to as the White House. 452 00:35:50,648 --> 00:35:55,528 The surveillance squad, after many, many hours of surveillance, 453 00:35:55,611 --> 00:35:57,822 had come to the determination 454 00:35:57,905 --> 00:36:01,367 it's impossible to get in there surreptitiously 455 00:36:01,450 --> 00:36:03,995 because the house was never empty. 456 00:36:06,414 --> 00:36:08,374 Castellano had lots of new things in the house. 457 00:36:08,457 --> 00:36:10,710 He had the latest telephone equipment, 458 00:36:10,793 --> 00:36:12,670 and he had cable TV, 459 00:36:12,753 --> 00:36:17,300 specifically a CNN channel, which was new at the time. 460 00:36:18,342 --> 00:36:22,555 Get in touch with the world. Touch it. Get in touch with the news. 461 00:36:22,638 --> 00:36:23,556 Touch it. 462 00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:28,269 Get in touch when you want, 24 hours a day. CNN headline news. 463 00:36:28,352 --> 00:36:31,314 We learned all of his meetings and conversations 464 00:36:31,397 --> 00:36:35,610 took place in his kitchen, dinning room area. 465 00:36:35,693 --> 00:36:39,780 That was where the TV was and that looked like a real opportunity. 466 00:36:41,949 --> 00:36:46,329 So we started doing a little homework on cable TV. 467 00:36:46,412 --> 00:36:47,872 It's daybreak in the east. 468 00:36:48,789 --> 00:36:51,334 It's the 17th of May, good morning. 469 00:36:52,126 --> 00:36:54,003 I learned it's very easy 470 00:36:54,086 --> 00:36:57,882 to introduce interference in cable systems. 471 00:36:57,965 --> 00:36:59,675 Good morning... 472 00:37:02,178 --> 00:37:05,056 So, we introduced a problem into the house... 473 00:37:06,933 --> 00:37:08,768 annoying and aggravating enough 474 00:37:08,851 --> 00:37:12,230 that if somebody showed up to troubleshoot a problem, 475 00:37:12,313 --> 00:37:13,731 they'd be happy to see them. 476 00:37:16,734 --> 00:37:18,194 I'm the cableman now. 477 00:37:27,495 --> 00:37:29,163 I ring the doorbell. 478 00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:31,207 Lots of chimes, as I recall. 479 00:37:36,462 --> 00:37:40,341 The gentleman that answers the door happens to be Tommy Bilotti, 480 00:37:40,424 --> 00:37:41,926 Paul's right-hand guy. 481 00:37:44,053 --> 00:37:45,471 The guy was a killer. 482 00:37:50,226 --> 00:37:54,063 If something goes wrong, I need to get out of here immediately. 483 00:38:11,914 --> 00:38:13,874 Residents of New York... 484 00:38:16,544 --> 00:38:18,296 chemicals, as an earlier... 485 00:38:18,379 --> 00:38:22,174 I'm calling into the office, and they're going to test the line. 486 00:38:22,758 --> 00:38:26,262 I'm actually calling Art, who is my other agent out there. 487 00:38:26,345 --> 00:38:28,431 And when I go, "Art, I'm tapping on this." 488 00:38:28,514 --> 00:38:31,517 As I'm tapping, he's making interference. 489 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:32,768 TV's blinking. 490 00:38:33,477 --> 00:38:36,731 - Son, Jesus Christ... - Get ready, Manhattan... 491 00:38:36,814 --> 00:38:40,818 Preplanned, all orchestrated, bench tested before I went. 492 00:38:43,946 --> 00:38:46,574 Including my level of uncooperativeness. 493 00:38:48,617 --> 00:38:50,619 I'm acting like we have to come back. 494 00:38:50,703 --> 00:38:52,371 You have to make an appointment. 495 00:38:53,497 --> 00:38:55,041 They don't like appointments. 496 00:38:55,124 --> 00:38:56,292 So, no appointment. 497 00:38:57,752 --> 00:38:59,962 We're gonna do this. We're gonna do this right now. 498 00:39:11,432 --> 00:39:12,767 I took a risk. 499 00:39:13,726 --> 00:39:16,437 I said, "If you give me a hand for just a minute, 500 00:39:17,021 --> 00:39:18,689 I promise I'll be out of here." 501 00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:20,107 "What do you need?" 502 00:39:20,191 --> 00:39:23,986 I go, "Would you just come over here and hold the flashlight for me?" 503 00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:38,959 So Tommy Bilotti helped me while I installed the device 504 00:39:39,043 --> 00:39:41,087 that had the microphone in it. 505 00:39:46,133 --> 00:39:47,885 Microphone was active. 506 00:39:49,136 --> 00:39:53,182 They were glad to not have me be there too long, and I was glad to leave. 507 00:39:53,808 --> 00:39:57,436 You know what it takes to stop a crime? Your help and your neighbors'. 508 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,313 Take a bite out of crime. 509 00:40:09,782 --> 00:40:13,369 Everybody was just thrilled with the successful installation 510 00:40:13,452 --> 00:40:17,748 of the wire in Paul Castellano's house. I mean, that was just... Wow. 511 00:40:20,292 --> 00:40:23,504 Your expectations are great. You expect to hear about murder. 512 00:40:23,587 --> 00:40:27,716 Kill this guy and kill that guy. It was a big day for the FBI. 513 00:40:33,139 --> 00:40:37,101 Paul Castellano, the boss of the Gambino family, was on tape. 514 00:40:37,184 --> 00:40:38,561 This was really significant, 515 00:40:38,644 --> 00:40:42,898 in that he was the boss of one of the largest families in the Mafia. 516 00:40:44,024 --> 00:40:46,819 People wouldn't even dream about this ten years before. 517 00:40:56,328 --> 00:40:58,789 The sound of a Mafia kitchen, you know what it is? 518 00:40:59,331 --> 00:41:01,792 It's eggs being beaten in a bowl. 519 00:41:06,130 --> 00:41:09,967 I don't recall listening to any meetings with others. 520 00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:13,637 I just remember Castellano and Gloria talking. 521 00:41:16,765 --> 00:41:20,978 Gloria was the maid in this giant mansion that they had. 522 00:41:21,061 --> 00:41:24,190 She cleaned and cooked, and she'd been there for quite a while. 523 00:41:24,273 --> 00:41:25,566 I got this impression. 524 00:41:25,649 --> 00:41:28,903 She had a certain amount of personality and they clicked. 525 00:41:28,986 --> 00:41:31,780 You'd listen to this and you'd go, "What is that? 526 00:41:31,864 --> 00:41:35,493 Alright, stop it here and back it up." And the reels would go around. 527 00:41:35,576 --> 00:41:36,619 "Let's play it again." 528 00:41:42,625 --> 00:41:44,668 "Oh, God no! Oh, my God!" 529 00:41:45,503 --> 00:41:47,213 Everybody's suddenly realized 530 00:41:47,296 --> 00:41:50,341 he was having a torrid affair with his maid. 531 00:41:51,675 --> 00:41:55,262 Poor Joe O'Brien had to be all tuned in to that little soap opera. 532 00:42:07,316 --> 00:42:10,611 My job was to make a prosecutable case 533 00:42:10,694 --> 00:42:12,071 against Paul Castellano. 534 00:42:14,156 --> 00:42:16,992 I had people talking to me that didn't even know they were informants, 535 00:42:17,076 --> 00:42:22,081 including Paul Castellano's maid and lover, Gloria Olarte. 536 00:42:23,123 --> 00:42:24,542 She would we take pictures, 537 00:42:25,125 --> 00:42:29,088 family pictures and pictures of Castellano meeting his associates. 538 00:42:30,214 --> 00:42:32,174 She gave me those photographs. 539 00:42:33,467 --> 00:42:34,969 But she was an unwitting source. 540 00:42:35,052 --> 00:42:37,846 She didn't know about the bug in Castellano's house. 541 00:42:45,896 --> 00:42:49,733 You listen to 600 hours' worth of tapes, you get to know the guy. 542 00:42:49,817 --> 00:42:53,571 So... I did something a little unusual. 543 00:43:00,744 --> 00:43:03,664 I started sending him greeting cards. 544 00:43:06,375 --> 00:43:07,793 Birthday cards. 545 00:43:09,461 --> 00:43:11,213 Get well cards. I heard he was sick. 546 00:43:13,215 --> 00:43:16,427 I sent him a card: "To a special godfather." 547 00:43:18,220 --> 00:43:20,889 I was messing with him. This was psychological warfare. 548 00:43:20,973 --> 00:43:22,933 I wanted to see what they were made of. 549 00:43:24,727 --> 00:43:27,646 My partner Andy and I were listening and had the headsets on. 550 00:43:28,355 --> 00:43:30,107 He talked about the greeting cards. 551 00:43:31,191 --> 00:43:34,820 A lot of profanity and everything. Kind of funny when you listen to the guy 552 00:43:34,903 --> 00:43:37,323 and he's opening a card and talking about you. 553 00:43:38,073 --> 00:43:42,119 That's when Gloria revealed that she'd been meeting with me privately. 554 00:43:42,202 --> 00:43:43,954 And I figured, "Uh-oh." 555 00:43:46,832 --> 00:43:49,460 He scolded her like a little schoolgirl. 556 00:43:49,543 --> 00:43:51,420 "You don't meet with Mr. Joe anymore. 557 00:43:51,503 --> 00:43:54,173 You stay away from O'Brien. You understand, Gloria." 558 00:43:55,716 --> 00:43:58,594 Castellano's bodyguard started goading him. 559 00:43:58,677 --> 00:44:01,764 "We can get rid of this guy, O'Brien." 560 00:44:01,847 --> 00:44:04,933 They were goading Castellano to put a contract out of my life. 561 00:44:07,728 --> 00:44:10,731 Scary people, you know. They're murders. They're psychopaths. 562 00:44:12,858 --> 00:44:15,694 It was said that Castellano could order somebody killed 563 00:44:15,778 --> 00:44:18,906 by just lifting an eyebrow. Didn't have to say a word. 564 00:44:25,412 --> 00:44:28,290 If he had gone silent, it would have been all over for me. 565 00:44:33,629 --> 00:44:35,297 But Castellano said, "No." 566 00:44:37,174 --> 00:44:39,134 Bring too much heat on the family. 567 00:44:39,218 --> 00:44:42,388 "Just be careful, you know. He's just doing his job." 568 00:44:42,471 --> 00:44:46,058 He defended me, so I gotta give credit for that. 569 00:44:49,853 --> 00:44:53,816 But it didn't change the fact that the whole object of my case 570 00:44:53,899 --> 00:44:56,985 was to put Castellano in a federal prison for life. 571 00:45:00,072 --> 00:45:02,908 I started getting evidence to implicate him. 572 00:45:06,745 --> 00:45:08,747 Castellano talked about all kinds of things. 573 00:45:08,831 --> 00:45:12,668 He talked with Tommy Gambino about dividing up the Garment District. 574 00:45:13,585 --> 00:45:17,881 He spoke with Joe N. Gallo about all the various rackets they were involved in. 575 00:45:19,341 --> 00:45:22,803 He spoke with Joe Armone about the restaurant union. 576 00:45:47,453 --> 00:45:49,204 We were hearing more and more 577 00:45:49,288 --> 00:45:51,623 about their involvement with the labor unions. 578 00:45:53,041 --> 00:45:56,378 That was important information because it showed the real problem 579 00:45:57,045 --> 00:45:58,839 of organized crime... 580 00:45:58,922 --> 00:46:03,927 that the organized crime groups controlled the major labor unions in this country. 581 00:46:08,348 --> 00:46:12,478 We were hearing how the Mafia controlled the Teamsters trucking union, 582 00:46:13,687 --> 00:46:14,855 the Laborers' Union, 583 00:46:16,231 --> 00:46:17,941 the longshoremen union, 584 00:46:18,484 --> 00:46:20,319 the hotel employees' union. 585 00:46:21,862 --> 00:46:25,073 There's so many ways they used the unions to make money. 586 00:46:26,658 --> 00:46:29,995 They could extort companies to give their friends jobs. 587 00:46:30,078 --> 00:46:31,914 They could give him health benefits. 588 00:46:35,334 --> 00:46:37,085 The Mob had a lot of power, 589 00:46:37,628 --> 00:46:39,213 because we controlled the unions. 590 00:46:40,255 --> 00:46:42,132 We call in a strike with the Teamsters, 591 00:46:42,216 --> 00:46:44,259 two and a half million people stop working. 592 00:46:45,594 --> 00:46:46,845 That's a lot of power. 593 00:46:47,304 --> 00:46:50,224 Not to mention the pension funds that you had at your disposal. 594 00:46:50,641 --> 00:46:53,018 You got hundreds of millions of dollars sitting in the bank 595 00:46:53,101 --> 00:46:55,979 that you can move anywhere you want. You control bankers that way. 596 00:46:56,063 --> 00:46:59,233 You control insurance companies that way. And we used that. 597 00:46:59,316 --> 00:47:01,235 And he gave me $5,000. 598 00:47:08,158 --> 00:47:09,368 You control the unions. 599 00:47:09,451 --> 00:47:11,662 You control the Teamsters. You control the docks. 600 00:47:11,745 --> 00:47:12,913 You control the country. 52403

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