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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:06,136 --> 00:01:08,928 The Atlanta child murders from 40 years ago 2 00:01:09,011 --> 00:01:10,219 are back in the headlines 3 00:01:10,303 --> 00:01:13,511 as investigators now plan to reexamine the evidence. 4 00:01:13,595 --> 00:01:15,720 The man detectives believe is responsible 5 00:01:15,803 --> 00:01:17,720 is serving two life sentences, 6 00:01:17,803 --> 00:01:20,720 but he was never tried on any of the child murders. 7 00:01:22,637 --> 00:01:24,720 The bodies were linked to his vehicles, 8 00:01:24,803 --> 00:01:26,762 his environment, his house. 9 00:01:26,845 --> 00:01:30,386 The fiber evidence, I think, was the most important 10 00:01:30,470 --> 00:01:33,261 because it basically put a lot of dead bodies 11 00:01:33,345 --> 00:01:36,053 in his environment. 12 00:01:36,136 --> 00:01:39,303 We can prove emphatically 13 00:01:39,386 --> 00:01:42,511 that Wayne was a pr... Was a homosexual. 14 00:01:42,595 --> 00:01:44,303 He's gone all the time at night. 15 00:01:44,386 --> 00:01:46,219 He driving all these cars. 16 00:01:46,303 --> 00:01:49,928 And even... he got in a fight with his daddy 17 00:01:50,011 --> 00:01:53,762 where, I believe, Homer pulled a shotgun on him. 18 00:01:53,845 --> 00:01:57,470 So stuff like that made Wayne out to be violent. 19 00:01:59,845 --> 00:02:01,428 Only people I think that can snatch 20 00:02:01,511 --> 00:02:03,887 some black children is white people. 21 00:02:03,969 --> 00:02:06,428 It was kind of crazy how all those kids 22 00:02:06,511 --> 00:02:08,720 end up missing in broad daylight. 23 00:02:08,803 --> 00:02:11,762 You go to a black neighborhood and snatch up a child 24 00:02:11,845 --> 00:02:14,094 in broad daylight, and a black person did it, 25 00:02:14,178 --> 00:02:15,928 they would know who did it, 26 00:02:16,011 --> 00:02:18,845 because we know black people. 27 00:02:18,928 --> 00:02:20,888 It was numerous people that was doing the killing, 28 00:02:20,928 --> 00:02:23,136 a bunch of people that knew each other 29 00:02:23,219 --> 00:02:24,845 and was getting away with it. 30 00:02:27,428 --> 00:02:30,720 When you look at 30 murders over 23 months, 31 00:02:30,803 --> 00:02:31,969 that's a big deal. 32 00:02:32,053 --> 00:02:34,219 For Atlanta to be able to move forward, 33 00:02:34,303 --> 00:02:37,094 you gotta get rid of this stain. 34 00:02:37,178 --> 00:02:39,553 This stain is still here. 35 00:02:44,386 --> 00:02:45,303 Good afternoon, 36 00:02:45,386 --> 00:02:47,928 and thank you all for being here today. 37 00:02:48,345 --> 00:02:50,136 In 1979, 38 00:02:50,219 --> 00:02:53,303 I was nine years old. 39 00:02:53,386 --> 00:02:55,720 I was the daughter 40 00:02:55,803 --> 00:02:59,303 of a single mother working two jobs, 41 00:02:59,386 --> 00:03:02,428 and my story 42 00:03:02,511 --> 00:03:04,803 was the story of many children 43 00:03:04,887 --> 00:03:07,386 across this city. 44 00:03:07,470 --> 00:03:09,678 In the backdrop of that story 45 00:03:09,762 --> 00:03:14,386 is something that has stayed with me my entire life, 46 00:03:14,470 --> 00:03:15,845 and that was the era 47 00:03:15,928 --> 00:03:20,386 of Atlanta's missing and murdered children. 48 00:03:20,470 --> 00:03:23,178 And for those of us who grew up in that era, 49 00:03:23,261 --> 00:03:26,386 in so many ways, it shaped our childhood. 50 00:03:26,470 --> 00:03:29,720 It robbed us of our innocence, 51 00:03:29,803 --> 00:03:33,011 and it reminded us all 52 00:03:33,094 --> 00:03:35,845 that evil was real. 53 00:03:35,928 --> 00:03:39,511 There is something sick about people 54 00:03:39,595 --> 00:03:43,720 who would snatch out the lives 55 00:03:43,803 --> 00:03:45,219 of little children. 56 00:03:45,303 --> 00:03:49,219 Certainly afflicted by a fiendish illness 57 00:03:49,303 --> 00:03:52,053 that is beyond our comprehension. 58 00:03:52,136 --> 00:03:55,762 A lot has changed in our world since 1981, 59 00:03:55,845 --> 00:03:59,595 when there was a conviction for two of these murders. 60 00:03:59,678 --> 00:04:02,720 A conviction of Wayne Williams. 61 00:04:02,803 --> 00:04:04,553 Wayne Williams? 62 00:04:04,637 --> 00:04:05,845 Who? Are you serious? 63 00:04:05,928 --> 00:04:08,261 Wayne? All these kids? 64 00:04:08,345 --> 00:04:11,553 I mean, half these kids were his size. 65 00:04:11,637 --> 00:04:16,386 Now, I don't know how that little guy 66 00:04:16,470 --> 00:04:19,928 killed 29 people. 67 00:04:20,011 --> 00:04:21,720 29? 68 00:04:21,803 --> 00:04:22,803 We have to understand 69 00:04:22,845 --> 00:04:24,553 there's evil in the world, man. 70 00:04:24,637 --> 00:04:26,553 I mean, nobody wants to look at evil and say, 71 00:04:26,637 --> 00:04:29,261 "Oh, why'd he do it?" He liked murdering people. 72 00:04:29,345 --> 00:04:32,219 Wayne liked killing people. 73 00:04:32,303 --> 00:04:33,762 Wayne was a killer, 74 00:04:33,845 --> 00:04:36,428 'cause think, you have to be a killer to kill a kid. 75 00:04:36,511 --> 00:04:38,386 You have to be a killer 76 00:04:38,470 --> 00:04:40,762 to choke the life out of a child. 77 00:04:40,845 --> 00:04:42,637 He wanted to kill them. He killed them 78 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,720 because he enjoyed killing people, 79 00:04:44,803 --> 00:04:46,762 and we have to accept that. 80 00:04:46,845 --> 00:04:48,219 And those are kids. 81 00:04:48,303 --> 00:04:50,720 How can you do that to a child? 82 00:04:52,845 --> 00:04:54,887 Are you human? 83 00:04:54,969 --> 00:04:57,553 Are you beast? What are you? 84 00:04:57,637 --> 00:04:59,428 And this case is a case of politics... 85 00:04:59,511 --> 00:05:02,219 I say politics, greed, racism, and oh, yeah, murder. 86 00:05:02,303 --> 00:05:03,511 And they shut the cases down 87 00:05:03,595 --> 00:05:05,678 two days after Wayne was convicted and said, 88 00:05:05,762 --> 00:05:07,195 "Yeah, he's probably done all the rest of them, 89 00:05:07,219 --> 00:05:09,139 but we're not gonna waste anymore time or money." 90 00:05:09,219 --> 00:05:11,553 Okay, thank you, goodbye. Closed the cases. 91 00:05:11,637 --> 00:05:13,178 That was it. Amen, goodbye. 92 00:05:13,261 --> 00:05:16,136 The families never had any closure. 93 00:05:16,219 --> 00:05:17,511 I commend the mayor 94 00:05:17,595 --> 00:05:19,154 for coming in and saying, "You know what? 95 00:05:19,178 --> 00:05:20,969 "This is a really ugly, dark chapter, 96 00:05:21,053 --> 00:05:22,428 but we need to own it." 97 00:05:22,511 --> 00:05:23,928 The Atlanta Police Department 98 00:05:24,011 --> 00:05:26,595 has numerous boxes of evidence. 99 00:05:26,678 --> 00:05:28,511 We already have begun the process 100 00:05:28,595 --> 00:05:30,261 of going through these boxes 101 00:05:30,345 --> 00:05:33,136 to see if there's anything that was never tested. 102 00:05:33,219 --> 00:05:36,011 Do I think that in some of the cases, 103 00:05:36,094 --> 00:05:38,470 there will be a different suspect? 104 00:05:38,553 --> 00:05:39,428 Yes. 105 00:05:39,511 --> 00:05:41,428 Lieutenant Danny Agan here... 106 00:05:41,511 --> 00:05:43,303 He was a key investigator, 107 00:05:43,386 --> 00:05:47,345 along with Detective Buffington on the original investigation, 108 00:05:47,428 --> 00:05:50,136 and we spoke with him ahead of time, 109 00:05:50,219 --> 00:05:52,386 and he agreed that it's prudent to review the case. 110 00:05:52,470 --> 00:05:55,178 So I appreciate you being here, Lieutenant. 111 00:05:55,261 --> 00:05:57,887 Some people will refuse to believe 112 00:05:57,969 --> 00:05:59,613 whatever evidence you throw in front of them, 113 00:05:59,637 --> 00:06:01,303 and I'm convinced right now 114 00:06:01,386 --> 00:06:03,470 that if Wayne Williams confessed today 115 00:06:03,553 --> 00:06:07,511 and says, "Okay, I'ma tell you all, I did it," 116 00:06:07,595 --> 00:06:08,904 there would be people that would say, 117 00:06:08,928 --> 00:06:11,762 "Oh, no. It's not even possible. 118 00:06:11,845 --> 00:06:14,011 You know, I've been asked a lot of times, 119 00:06:14,094 --> 00:06:15,845 was he guilty? 120 00:06:15,928 --> 00:06:18,011 Did he act guilty? 121 00:06:18,094 --> 00:06:20,511 And I have to say, 122 00:06:20,595 --> 00:06:23,219 he was a lot of things, 123 00:06:23,303 --> 00:06:28,219 and sometimes he made me... 124 00:06:28,303 --> 00:06:31,762 Perhaps it's unladylike, but he made me pissing angry, 125 00:06:31,845 --> 00:06:34,845 because he was difficult, 126 00:06:34,928 --> 00:06:37,053 but while he was a lot of things, 127 00:06:37,136 --> 00:06:39,053 I never saw a killer. 128 00:06:39,136 --> 00:06:41,261 We don't know what we'll find, 129 00:06:41,345 --> 00:06:43,053 but what we do know is, 130 00:06:43,136 --> 00:06:45,928 we have an obligation to these families 131 00:06:46,011 --> 00:06:49,928 to ensure that every imaginable investigative lead 132 00:06:50,011 --> 00:06:51,219 was followed. 133 00:06:51,303 --> 00:06:53,887 Doubt. There's always doubt. 134 00:06:53,969 --> 00:06:55,720 And if there's doubt 135 00:06:55,803 --> 00:06:57,887 that Wayne didn't kill my child, 136 00:06:57,969 --> 00:07:00,094 then who did? 137 00:07:00,178 --> 00:07:02,762 How could you not support the mothers? 138 00:07:02,845 --> 00:07:06,428 Obviously, somebody killed their children. 139 00:07:06,511 --> 00:07:11,219 And I can't stand here today and not call their names. 140 00:07:12,803 --> 00:07:15,928 They were Edward Smith, age 14, 141 00:07:16,011 --> 00:07:17,446 Alfred Evans... 142 00:07:17,470 --> 00:07:20,762 Age 13, Milton Harvey, age 14, 143 00:07:20,845 --> 00:07:23,637 Yusuf Bell, age 9, 144 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,762 Angel Lanier, age 12. 145 00:07:26,845 --> 00:07:29,303 Jeffery Mathis, age 10, 146 00:07:29,386 --> 00:07:31,969 Eric Middlebrooks, age 14, 147 00:07:32,053 --> 00:07:34,136 Chris Richardson, age 12, 148 00:07:34,219 --> 00:07:36,928 LaTonya Wilson, age 7, 149 00:07:37,011 --> 00:07:39,428 Anthony Carter, age 9, 150 00:07:39,511 --> 00:07:41,595 Earl Terrell, age 10, 151 00:07:41,678 --> 00:07:43,595 Clifford Jones, 13, 152 00:07:43,678 --> 00:07:47,553 Darron Glass, 10, 153 00:07:47,637 --> 00:07:51,136 Charles Stevens, 12, Aaron Jackson, 9 154 00:07:51,219 --> 00:07:52,969 Patrick Rogers, 16, 155 00:07:53,053 --> 00:07:54,762 Lubie Geter, 14, 156 00:07:54,845 --> 00:07:57,969 Terry Pue, 15, 157 00:07:58,053 --> 00:08:00,928 Patrick... Baltazar, 11. 158 00:08:01,011 --> 00:08:02,428 11 years old. 159 00:08:02,511 --> 00:08:04,136 Joseph Bell, 15, 160 00:08:04,219 --> 00:08:07,428 Timothy Hill, 13. 161 00:08:07,511 --> 00:08:10,637 Clifford Jones, 13 years old. 162 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,053 Curtis Walker, 13 years old. 163 00:08:16,428 --> 00:08:19,803 William Barrett, 17. 164 00:08:19,887 --> 00:08:22,261 Adults Eddie Duncan, 21, 165 00:08:22,345 --> 00:08:23,969 Larry Rogers, 20, 166 00:08:24,053 --> 00:08:26,845 Michael McIntosh, 23, 167 00:08:26,928 --> 00:08:28,845 Jimmy Ray Payne, 21, 168 00:08:28,928 --> 00:08:31,136 John Porter, 28, 169 00:08:31,219 --> 00:08:33,678 Nathaniel Cater, 27. 170 00:08:41,094 --> 00:08:43,678 There have been some who've cautioned us 171 00:08:43,762 --> 00:08:46,637 not to touch it, to leave it alone, 172 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,553 which I find very interesting. 173 00:08:49,637 --> 00:08:52,845 You think about the attention that's given now 174 00:08:52,928 --> 00:08:56,303 when a child disappears, you think about the attention 175 00:08:56,386 --> 00:09:00,470 that's been given to JonBenét Ramsey, 176 00:09:00,553 --> 00:09:05,303 and multiply that by an extraordinary number 177 00:09:05,386 --> 00:09:07,803 of children. 178 00:09:07,887 --> 00:09:10,720 I don't think it's right 179 00:09:10,803 --> 00:09:13,511 for all these kids to be killed in this city 180 00:09:13,595 --> 00:09:15,845 and nobody was concerned about it. 181 00:09:15,928 --> 00:09:19,219 We loved our children, 182 00:09:19,303 --> 00:09:21,969 and it really hurt. 183 00:09:23,803 --> 00:09:26,969 I want to know who killed Curtis. 184 00:09:27,053 --> 00:09:29,094 His case is still sitting on the shelf 185 00:09:29,178 --> 00:09:31,094 getting dusty and rusty, 186 00:09:31,178 --> 00:09:33,762 and you can't see the page. 187 00:09:33,845 --> 00:09:35,595 Anybody hear the sound of my voice, 188 00:09:35,678 --> 00:09:39,762 please, please help us, 189 00:09:39,845 --> 00:09:41,553 because I'm not gonna stop. 190 00:09:41,637 --> 00:09:42,945 'Cause you know why I'm not gonna stop? 191 00:09:42,969 --> 00:09:44,386 Because I'm a warrior, 192 00:09:44,470 --> 00:09:45,969 and I'm a prayer warrior, 193 00:09:46,053 --> 00:09:47,928 and I'm not gonna stop till I get it. 194 00:09:48,011 --> 00:09:51,094 A fiberglass stretcher was sent to the bridge, 195 00:09:51,178 --> 00:09:53,553 and soon afterward, the body was taken by ambulance 196 00:09:53,637 --> 00:09:55,762 to the DeKalb County medical examiner's office 197 00:09:55,845 --> 00:09:57,094 for identification. 198 00:09:57,178 --> 00:09:58,511 On Friday afternoon, 199 00:09:58,595 --> 00:10:01,136 about 3:30 or 4:00, 200 00:10:01,219 --> 00:10:03,094 my chief investigator notified me 201 00:10:03,178 --> 00:10:05,595 that they had found what appeared to be the body 202 00:10:05,678 --> 00:10:07,803 of a black child in the river 203 00:10:07,887 --> 00:10:09,428 in the south part of DeKalb County 204 00:10:09,511 --> 00:10:10,762 in Atlanta, Georgia. 205 00:10:10,845 --> 00:10:12,428 For hours, reporters awaited word 206 00:10:12,511 --> 00:10:15,595 of who the young child in the river might be. 207 00:10:15,678 --> 00:10:18,511 That was Curtis they pulled out the water. 208 00:10:18,595 --> 00:10:21,470 Curtis Walker was 13 years old. 209 00:10:21,553 --> 00:10:23,511 He'd been suffocated. 210 00:10:25,011 --> 00:10:27,094 A lady two apartments from me... 211 00:10:27,178 --> 00:10:28,303 She called me on the phone. 212 00:10:28,386 --> 00:10:30,887 She said, "Catherine, look at the news, 213 00:10:30,969 --> 00:10:32,428 "'cause I think that's Curtis 214 00:10:32,511 --> 00:10:34,386 that they pulling out the water." 215 00:10:34,470 --> 00:10:37,219 So I ran upstairs and cut the TV on 216 00:10:37,303 --> 00:10:40,094 and started looking at it and sat on the edge of the bed, 217 00:10:40,178 --> 00:10:42,053 and I was looking at the news, 218 00:10:42,136 --> 00:10:43,536 and I seen them when they pulled him 219 00:10:43,595 --> 00:10:45,345 out the water. 220 00:10:45,428 --> 00:10:46,487 Can you tell us anything? 221 00:10:46,511 --> 00:10:47,654 I haven't anything to tell you. 222 00:10:47,678 --> 00:10:49,029 I don't know anything. I haven't been down there yet. 223 00:10:49,053 --> 00:10:49,969 Well, have you been briefed at all? 224 00:10:50,053 --> 00:10:51,261 No. Do you have a body 225 00:10:51,345 --> 00:10:53,303 down there? I don't know. 226 00:10:53,386 --> 00:10:55,136 I just run out the house. 227 00:10:55,219 --> 00:10:57,011 They had to catch me. 228 00:10:57,094 --> 00:11:00,178 I just ran out the house like a wild woman. 229 00:11:00,261 --> 00:11:02,762 I was screaming and hollering so loud. 230 00:11:06,178 --> 00:11:08,386 I just knew that was him. 231 00:11:08,470 --> 00:11:09,928 I knew that was him. 232 00:11:10,011 --> 00:11:12,637 We need all the vehicles moved off road... 233 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,136 I was so crazy. 234 00:11:14,219 --> 00:11:16,595 They had to call the fire department. 235 00:11:16,678 --> 00:11:19,011 Only thing I remember is, 236 00:11:19,094 --> 00:11:20,720 I'm laying down on the sofa 237 00:11:20,803 --> 00:11:25,011 with my boys sitting down on each side of me. 238 00:11:25,094 --> 00:11:28,762 I mean, my mind had left me, 'cause I had a suicide spirit, 239 00:11:28,845 --> 00:11:31,386 and I wanted to cut my wrists 240 00:11:31,470 --> 00:11:34,845 because I felt like I didn't have nothing to live for. 241 00:11:38,470 --> 00:11:39,845 I couldn't sleep at night. 242 00:11:39,928 --> 00:11:41,845 I couldn't eat. 243 00:11:41,928 --> 00:11:43,553 I couldn't do nothing. 244 00:11:48,762 --> 00:11:52,553 You know, I wanted to know 245 00:11:52,637 --> 00:11:55,345 who did that to my son. 246 00:11:55,428 --> 00:11:57,178 I wanted to know. 247 00:12:00,261 --> 00:12:01,845 There's no memorial. 248 00:12:01,928 --> 00:12:04,219 There's nothing in the city 249 00:12:04,303 --> 00:12:07,011 other than institutional knowledge 250 00:12:07,094 --> 00:12:10,553 and your memory 251 00:12:10,637 --> 00:12:13,011 that tells you about these young people 252 00:12:13,094 --> 00:12:14,845 who were murdered, 253 00:12:16,595 --> 00:12:18,595 And their cases were never solved. 254 00:12:21,053 --> 00:12:22,720 Do what should've been done 255 00:12:22,803 --> 00:12:27,386 in 1979, 1980, and 1981. 256 00:12:27,470 --> 00:12:29,928 Do the police work. 257 00:12:30,011 --> 00:12:31,887 Solve the cases. 258 00:12:31,969 --> 00:12:34,219 If you can find bin Laden, you can do anything. 259 00:12:34,303 --> 00:12:35,720 But my question is, 260 00:12:35,803 --> 00:12:37,553 do Atlanta want to pursue this? 261 00:12:37,637 --> 00:12:39,428 Because if they pursue this, 262 00:12:39,511 --> 00:12:41,720 it's gonna destroy the Atlanta name for a while. 263 00:12:41,803 --> 00:12:44,720 It will turn Atlanta into the real Atlanta. 264 00:12:44,803 --> 00:12:48,303 I understand why the city 265 00:12:48,386 --> 00:12:49,928 handled it the way they did 266 00:12:50,011 --> 00:12:51,762 and wanted it to go away, 267 00:12:51,845 --> 00:12:54,969 because the result of how they handled it 268 00:12:55,053 --> 00:12:57,303 is this beautiful city that we have today. 269 00:13:13,178 --> 00:13:16,553 Atlanta is the epitome of success 270 00:13:16,637 --> 00:13:20,887 in all areas of the black experience in America. 271 00:13:20,969 --> 00:13:23,428 Atlanta is a city that has 272 00:13:23,511 --> 00:13:25,678 four historically black colleges, 273 00:13:25,762 --> 00:13:28,303 and they're all producing great students 274 00:13:28,386 --> 00:13:31,303 that come out into the workforce. 275 00:13:31,386 --> 00:13:33,345 The jobs are available here. 276 00:13:34,845 --> 00:13:37,053 From the African-American perspective, 277 00:13:37,136 --> 00:13:39,261 Atlanta is Wakanda. 278 00:13:39,345 --> 00:13:40,845 Bye. 279 00:13:42,553 --> 00:13:44,637 There was a magnetism to Atlanta 280 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,803 that's really existed for a long time. 281 00:13:46,887 --> 00:13:50,386 Atlanta was what we would call the crown jewel of the South. 282 00:13:50,470 --> 00:13:52,303 Well, you do feel a kind of pride 283 00:13:52,386 --> 00:13:53,637 that's associated with 284 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,195 some of the fancier things about the city... 285 00:13:55,219 --> 00:13:58,345 For instance, the black businesses here. 286 00:13:58,428 --> 00:13:59,470 This is the main 287 00:13:59,553 --> 00:14:00,969 business artery in my district. 288 00:14:01,053 --> 00:14:02,928 Most of the businesses up and down here 289 00:14:03,011 --> 00:14:04,845 are owned and run by black people. 290 00:14:04,928 --> 00:14:08,136 You could live in Atlanta and be successful 291 00:14:08,219 --> 00:14:11,011 and not go downtown to a white bank. 292 00:14:11,094 --> 00:14:13,720 There's a black hospital right here 293 00:14:13,803 --> 00:14:15,345 with black doctors in it. 294 00:14:15,428 --> 00:14:18,345 There's a black movie, there's a black... 295 00:14:18,428 --> 00:14:19,845 Obviously, a nightclub, 296 00:14:19,928 --> 00:14:21,678 There's a black street 297 00:14:21,762 --> 00:14:23,303 called Auburn Avenue. 298 00:14:25,303 --> 00:14:29,386 My ex-husband is in the entertainment business, 299 00:14:29,470 --> 00:14:31,345 so we lived in Augusta, 300 00:14:31,428 --> 00:14:33,720 which is about 2 1/2 hours east of here. 301 00:14:33,803 --> 00:14:37,511 And he brought me downtown. I'll never forget it. 302 00:14:37,595 --> 00:14:41,011 I saw black people with suits and ties 303 00:14:41,094 --> 00:14:44,053 and dressed so business-like, 304 00:14:44,136 --> 00:14:47,178 and I said, "This is where I need to be. 305 00:14:47,261 --> 00:14:50,511 I am coming to live here." 306 00:14:52,595 --> 00:14:54,303 There was a lot of activists 307 00:14:54,386 --> 00:14:56,845 who had flooded into the city of all kinds 308 00:14:56,928 --> 00:14:58,011 from the Nation of Islam 309 00:14:58,094 --> 00:14:59,720 to communist organizations 310 00:14:59,803 --> 00:15:02,511 to, you know, civil rights organizations. 311 00:15:02,595 --> 00:15:04,720 Many of us were involved in struggles 312 00:15:04,803 --> 00:15:05,720 and movements 313 00:15:05,803 --> 00:15:07,386 and going to jail and picketing 314 00:15:07,470 --> 00:15:08,762 and fighting the Klan. 315 00:15:08,845 --> 00:15:10,595 There were boycotts, clearly, 316 00:15:10,678 --> 00:15:13,553 but the real energy of protest 317 00:15:13,637 --> 00:15:15,887 did not happen in the city of Atlanta. 318 00:15:15,969 --> 00:15:18,219 This is not a resistance city. 319 00:15:18,303 --> 00:15:19,928 This is the city 320 00:15:20,011 --> 00:15:21,553 of the middle class. 321 00:15:21,637 --> 00:15:23,446 This was the city where the civil rights leaders 322 00:15:23,470 --> 00:15:26,887 come back to and have, relatively, racial harmony 323 00:15:26,969 --> 00:15:29,053 because it was not politically... 324 00:15:29,136 --> 00:15:32,094 They wanted Atlanta to be the city too busy to hate. 325 00:15:32,178 --> 00:15:35,094 That kind of description of Atlanta 326 00:15:35,178 --> 00:15:37,303 continued through the '60s 327 00:15:37,386 --> 00:15:39,553 and the '70s, but into the 1980s, 328 00:15:39,637 --> 00:15:42,428 and in fact, Atlanta was one of the first cities 329 00:15:42,511 --> 00:15:44,969 to elect a black mayor. 330 00:15:45,053 --> 00:15:47,637 And Maynard Jackson was a mayor in full. 331 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,428 Now, you don't have to be crazy to be mayor, 332 00:15:51,511 --> 00:15:53,511 you know, but it helps. 333 00:15:55,136 --> 00:15:56,803 Maynard was the first black mayor 334 00:15:56,887 --> 00:15:58,386 of any major Southern city. 335 00:15:58,470 --> 00:16:00,261 Never... Never. 336 00:16:00,345 --> 00:16:02,887 Never... Never. 337 00:16:02,969 --> 00:16:04,762 Never... all: Never! 338 00:16:04,845 --> 00:16:06,762 Never... all: Never! 339 00:16:06,845 --> 00:16:09,428 Never... all: Never! 340 00:16:09,511 --> 00:16:11,178 Never shall I let you down. 341 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:13,803 It was euphoric. 342 00:16:13,887 --> 00:16:16,678 It was like, "Here's one of us 343 00:16:16,762 --> 00:16:20,303 getting to the seat of power, finally." 344 00:16:20,386 --> 00:16:23,136 Maynard Jackson came in knowing 345 00:16:23,219 --> 00:16:26,637 that he had to do at least two things. 346 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,136 Number one is that black businesses 347 00:16:29,219 --> 00:16:31,303 had been locked out of city business, 348 00:16:31,386 --> 00:16:33,969 and the city was spending tens of millions, 349 00:16:34,053 --> 00:16:35,511 hundreds of millions of dollars, 350 00:16:35,595 --> 00:16:39,136 and black businesses were left to the crumbs, 351 00:16:39,219 --> 00:16:41,178 and he knew he had to change that. 352 00:16:41,261 --> 00:16:42,637 The second thing he knew 353 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,553 is that he had to get control of the police department, 354 00:16:45,637 --> 00:16:48,136 and that they had to acknowledge 355 00:16:48,219 --> 00:16:50,178 that the people that they were serving 356 00:16:50,261 --> 00:16:52,094 were mostly black people. 357 00:16:52,178 --> 00:16:55,219 Maynard Jackson took over office in 1974, 358 00:16:55,303 --> 00:16:57,219 and one of the first things he said was, 359 00:16:57,303 --> 00:16:59,637 "I want to make the police department more brown." 360 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,386 He wanted to integrate it. 361 00:17:01,470 --> 00:17:03,845 Well, if you were a white officer in the APD then, 362 00:17:03,928 --> 00:17:05,553 what's the message you got? 363 00:17:05,637 --> 00:17:07,386 "There ain't room for me anymore." 364 00:17:07,470 --> 00:17:10,136 So a lot of those who could, retired. 365 00:17:10,637 --> 00:17:12,303 And Maynard was not playing 366 00:17:12,386 --> 00:17:14,845 about blacks getting their piece of the pie. 367 00:17:14,928 --> 00:17:16,053 Mayor Jackson called this 368 00:17:16,136 --> 00:17:17,803 the most ambitious all-black project... 369 00:17:17,887 --> 00:17:20,845 Made for some great stories because it was new territory 370 00:17:20,928 --> 00:17:22,904 for both the white community and the black community. 371 00:17:22,928 --> 00:17:24,345 It was like a tale of two cities 372 00:17:24,428 --> 00:17:26,178 coming together for the first time. 373 00:17:26,261 --> 00:17:28,178 And there were stories that abounded 374 00:17:28,261 --> 00:17:30,178 here in Atlanta unlike anyplace else. 375 00:17:30,261 --> 00:17:32,011 It's time for us to understand, 376 00:17:32,094 --> 00:17:35,386 America is a sick, racist nation. 377 00:17:35,470 --> 00:17:37,011 Hosea Williams, 378 00:17:37,094 --> 00:17:39,178 Julian Bond, John Lewis. 379 00:17:39,261 --> 00:17:41,303 I mean, just many civil rights leaders, 380 00:17:41,386 --> 00:17:45,720 legends, tough folks who did great things. 381 00:17:45,803 --> 00:17:46,845 But by the same token, 382 00:17:46,928 --> 00:17:49,219 it was not always that easy to deal with 383 00:17:49,303 --> 00:17:51,720 the J.B. Stoners of the world, KKK. 384 00:17:51,803 --> 00:17:53,720 Oh, we have all of this propaganda 385 00:17:53,803 --> 00:17:55,386 directed against white people. 386 00:17:55,470 --> 00:17:56,945 I remember interviewing him one time 387 00:17:56,969 --> 00:18:00,595 in Stone Mountain, such a Southern KKK foothold. 388 00:18:00,678 --> 00:18:02,511 J.B. Stoner was holding a rally there. 389 00:18:02,595 --> 00:18:04,470 Now, how I got that assignment, I'm not sure. 390 00:18:04,553 --> 00:18:05,887 Maybe it was partly a joke. 391 00:18:05,969 --> 00:18:08,345 Maybe it was to see, could I handle it? 392 00:18:08,428 --> 00:18:10,511 And I heard him use the N word all the time. 393 00:18:10,595 --> 00:18:12,154 I remember asking him, "Stoner," I said, 394 00:18:12,178 --> 00:18:14,154 "Man, you not gonna call me that word, not on camera." 395 00:18:14,178 --> 00:18:16,969 And he's a little guy. He didn't call me on camera. 396 00:18:17,053 --> 00:18:19,094 He said, "You finished now?" I said, "Yeah." 397 00:18:19,178 --> 00:18:20,654 He said, "All right, nigger. You can go." 398 00:18:20,678 --> 00:18:23,094 I have to put up with Jews and niggers on television 399 00:18:23,178 --> 00:18:24,595 whether I like it or not. 400 00:18:24,678 --> 00:18:26,178 It was still the South. 401 00:18:27,511 --> 00:18:29,762 Atlanta was... During that time, 402 00:18:29,845 --> 00:18:32,136 it was kind of like you stay in your neighborhood, 403 00:18:32,219 --> 00:18:34,928 you stay in yours. 404 00:18:35,011 --> 00:18:38,595 Klan presence was a real thing. 405 00:18:38,678 --> 00:18:40,928 Atlanta as a city... 406 00:18:41,011 --> 00:18:43,428 You know, they'll tell you when you come to Atlanta, 407 00:18:43,511 --> 00:18:45,928 Atlanta's the city too busy to hate, 408 00:18:46,011 --> 00:18:48,720 but go 15 minutes outside of Atlanta, 409 00:18:48,803 --> 00:18:51,595 and you will see, especially back then, 410 00:18:51,678 --> 00:18:54,803 the Confederate flags still flying, 411 00:18:54,887 --> 00:18:57,303 the Confederate symbols still around, 412 00:18:57,386 --> 00:19:00,011 the streets in the black communities 413 00:19:00,094 --> 00:19:03,720 being named after Confederate soldiers. 414 00:19:03,803 --> 00:19:06,011 The reality is, 415 00:19:06,094 --> 00:19:07,637 it's the South, 416 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,845 with old feelings and old ways. 417 00:19:12,553 --> 00:19:14,470 When Maynard was running for mayor, 418 00:19:14,553 --> 00:19:17,136 the overall tone was, 419 00:19:17,219 --> 00:19:19,178 "You're not gonna take over this city." 420 00:19:19,261 --> 00:19:22,470 We have reached the point in our history 421 00:19:22,553 --> 00:19:24,803 where it is time black leaders 422 00:19:24,887 --> 00:19:28,136 tell black audiences that for their own good, 423 00:19:28,219 --> 00:19:30,595 they must be able to think white. 424 00:19:30,678 --> 00:19:32,136 You would read stuff in the paper, 425 00:19:32,219 --> 00:19:34,470 and you would hear the conversations, 426 00:19:34,553 --> 00:19:36,136 you know, 427 00:19:36,219 --> 00:19:39,470 and you would know that... 428 00:19:39,553 --> 00:19:42,553 if you were black, you had to get back. 429 00:19:42,637 --> 00:19:45,386 It was all about growth and development 430 00:19:45,470 --> 00:19:47,845 and more people coming, more roads being built. 431 00:19:47,928 --> 00:19:51,053 We have to keep getting bigger, 432 00:19:51,136 --> 00:19:53,553 and it was the new South. 433 00:19:53,637 --> 00:19:55,720 This was supposed to be the city where 434 00:19:55,803 --> 00:19:58,136 black folks had all this opportunity, 435 00:19:58,219 --> 00:19:59,678 and there were a lot of black folks 436 00:19:59,762 --> 00:20:02,178 who found a lot of opportunity here, 437 00:20:02,261 --> 00:20:03,762 but in a lot of ways, 438 00:20:03,845 --> 00:20:06,303 for a lot of poor people in poor communities, 439 00:20:06,386 --> 00:20:10,136 they were starting to see that nothing was really changing. 440 00:20:10,219 --> 00:20:11,887 The schools weren't really getting better. 441 00:20:11,969 --> 00:20:13,637 They weren't getting more jobs. 442 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,553 The promises of the civil rights movement 443 00:20:16,637 --> 00:20:19,470 were not being realized. 444 00:20:19,553 --> 00:20:21,053 The poorest families in Atlanta 445 00:20:21,136 --> 00:20:24,219 have a yearly income just under $2,500. 446 00:20:24,303 --> 00:20:26,553 They live in areas like Techwood Homes, 447 00:20:26,637 --> 00:20:28,053 Summerhill, and Mechanicsville. 448 00:20:28,136 --> 00:20:31,011 It's in stark contrast to their fellow citizens 449 00:20:31,094 --> 00:20:33,011 in some northern communities of the city, 450 00:20:33,094 --> 00:20:36,720 where average family income is $22,000. 451 00:20:37,428 --> 00:20:39,386 'Cause I knew the history of this city, 452 00:20:39,470 --> 00:20:41,261 I started thinking about this issue of 453 00:20:41,345 --> 00:20:43,928 whether Atlanta was a black mecca or not, right? 454 00:20:44,011 --> 00:20:46,720 And I thought that if you were a poor kid 455 00:20:46,803 --> 00:20:49,720 in Vine City or in English Avenue 456 00:20:49,803 --> 00:20:52,053 or Perry Homes, 457 00:20:52,136 --> 00:20:54,887 or any of the projects here in Atlanta, 458 00:20:54,969 --> 00:20:57,928 the black mecca was more myth than reality, 459 00:20:58,011 --> 00:21:00,595 that it did not ring true 460 00:21:00,678 --> 00:21:02,261 for everybody. 461 00:21:02,345 --> 00:21:03,928 In these communities, 462 00:21:04,011 --> 00:21:06,094 this was being poor and black in Georgia, 463 00:21:06,178 --> 00:21:08,762 before Maynard Jackson. 464 00:21:08,845 --> 00:21:10,969 This is poor and black in Georgia 465 00:21:11,053 --> 00:21:13,720 after Maynard Jackson. 466 00:21:13,803 --> 00:21:15,261 So in that sense, you know, 467 00:21:15,345 --> 00:21:17,094 there had been hope that was crushed, 468 00:21:17,178 --> 00:21:19,053 but it was nothing new. 469 00:21:19,136 --> 00:21:21,969 The public housing projects were utter poverty. 470 00:21:23,136 --> 00:21:24,887 It was just another slice of Atlanta 471 00:21:24,969 --> 00:21:27,428 that many folks tried to avoid. 472 00:21:27,511 --> 00:21:29,178 It was almost a hidden Atlanta. 473 00:21:29,261 --> 00:21:30,637 White folks hardly saw it at all 474 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,120 because they lived in the wealthier, 475 00:21:32,178 --> 00:21:33,428 northern parts of town. 476 00:21:33,511 --> 00:21:35,595 So there was the black middle class 477 00:21:35,678 --> 00:21:37,595 and the black lower class, and of course, 478 00:21:37,678 --> 00:21:38,904 you had working class families as well, 479 00:21:38,928 --> 00:21:41,887 so it was like three divisions of black folks, 480 00:21:41,969 --> 00:21:44,637 and they didn't necessarily intermingle. 481 00:21:49,386 --> 00:21:52,261 Wayne Williams was the only child of 482 00:21:52,345 --> 00:21:54,136 Homer and Faye Williams. 483 00:21:54,762 --> 00:21:59,136 I knew them as a true Atlanta family. 484 00:21:59,219 --> 00:22:00,678 Homer and Faye Williams 485 00:22:00,762 --> 00:22:02,053 were great people. 486 00:22:03,219 --> 00:22:06,470 Homer Williams was a photographer, 487 00:22:06,553 --> 00:22:10,303 and he freelanced for the "Atlanta Daily World." 488 00:22:10,386 --> 00:22:13,969 Faye was a schoolteacher for years. 489 00:22:14,053 --> 00:22:16,762 She taught some of the mothers 490 00:22:16,845 --> 00:22:18,762 of the missing murdered children. 491 00:22:20,928 --> 00:22:24,178 Homer and Faye Williams were very loyal to their son. 492 00:22:26,386 --> 00:22:29,511 They were very close. They were very close. 493 00:22:29,595 --> 00:22:31,845 They just loved him and adored him. 494 00:22:34,595 --> 00:22:35,803 His mom and dad, 495 00:22:35,887 --> 00:22:37,219 middle income folk, 496 00:22:37,303 --> 00:22:39,345 were considered very good individuals 497 00:22:39,428 --> 00:22:41,219 in the black community. 498 00:22:41,303 --> 00:22:42,678 Really a good family. 499 00:22:42,762 --> 00:22:44,678 You can tell the house was a modest house 500 00:22:44,762 --> 00:22:47,136 that they had bought, in a modest neighborhood, 501 00:22:47,219 --> 00:22:49,261 well-kept, with mowed lawns, 502 00:22:49,345 --> 00:22:50,845 manicured hedges. 503 00:22:50,928 --> 00:22:52,845 You know these were people who kept their house 504 00:22:52,928 --> 00:22:54,720 very well. 505 00:22:54,803 --> 00:22:56,845 Wayne was an A student, 506 00:22:56,928 --> 00:22:58,720 very bright, 507 00:22:58,803 --> 00:23:01,845 very entrepreneurial. 508 00:23:01,928 --> 00:23:03,511 Wayne was a young man 509 00:23:03,595 --> 00:23:06,678 who had a very promising life 510 00:23:06,762 --> 00:23:10,845 but got short circuited. 511 00:23:12,887 --> 00:23:15,386 July 28th, 1979, 512 00:23:15,470 --> 00:23:17,553 police discover the decomposed remains 513 00:23:17,637 --> 00:23:19,720 of two children in a wooded area 514 00:23:19,803 --> 00:23:21,887 in southwest Atlanta. 515 00:23:21,969 --> 00:23:23,678 Shift started at 4:00, 516 00:23:23,762 --> 00:23:26,219 and it wasn't long after 4:00 that the call came up. 517 00:23:26,303 --> 00:23:28,303 A body had been discovered by someone 518 00:23:28,386 --> 00:23:30,428 who was scavenging the roadside, 519 00:23:30,511 --> 00:23:32,845 looking for cans or bottles, 520 00:23:32,928 --> 00:23:34,678 and in the process of doing this, 521 00:23:34,762 --> 00:23:37,053 they came upon a decomposing body 522 00:23:37,136 --> 00:23:38,845 of a human. 523 00:23:42,011 --> 00:23:44,261 I was a... what you call a rookie homicide detective. 524 00:23:44,345 --> 00:23:45,595 I was still in training. 525 00:23:45,678 --> 00:23:47,112 I was still trying to figure out, you know, 526 00:23:47,136 --> 00:23:49,094 what homicide detectives were supposed to do 527 00:23:49,178 --> 00:23:51,261 and how they were supposed to do it, 528 00:23:51,345 --> 00:23:53,928 and this body here is 529 00:23:54,011 --> 00:23:56,136 really in bad shape. 530 00:23:56,219 --> 00:23:58,470 Cause of death was not known. 531 00:23:58,553 --> 00:24:01,637 If you want to describe a rural section of Atlanta, 532 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:02,928 this is it. 533 00:24:03,011 --> 00:24:04,094 It's wooded. 534 00:24:04,178 --> 00:24:07,428 It's a road that's not heavily traveled. 535 00:24:07,511 --> 00:24:09,595 If you were gonna dump a body, this is the place 536 00:24:09,678 --> 00:24:11,678 that you would want to go dump a body. 537 00:24:11,762 --> 00:24:13,094 And somebody says, 538 00:24:13,178 --> 00:24:15,720 "Well, let's conduct a concentric search 539 00:24:15,803 --> 00:24:17,083 "and make sure we're not missing 540 00:24:17,136 --> 00:24:19,762 any other evidence that could be important." 541 00:24:19,845 --> 00:24:21,219 So everybody fans out, 542 00:24:21,303 --> 00:24:23,428 starts prowling around, looking through the woods. 543 00:24:25,011 --> 00:24:26,470 Next thing you know, 544 00:24:26,553 --> 00:24:29,136 somebody walked upon another body... 545 00:24:29,219 --> 00:24:31,969 Black male, fully clothed. 546 00:24:32,053 --> 00:24:34,637 And it's not as badly decomposed 547 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,928 as the previous body, which made you think that 548 00:24:37,011 --> 00:24:40,345 the two bodies had been dumped at different times. 549 00:24:40,428 --> 00:24:42,136 And they weren't initially considered 550 00:24:42,219 --> 00:24:43,845 to be related homicides. 551 00:24:43,928 --> 00:24:45,637 One of them is quickly identified 552 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,845 as 14-year-old Edward Hope Smith, 553 00:24:47,928 --> 00:24:49,470 but the second body is in 554 00:24:49,553 --> 00:24:51,261 such an advanced state of decomposition, 555 00:24:51,345 --> 00:24:53,136 it's impossible to say who it is. 556 00:24:53,219 --> 00:24:54,428 Bodies are taken 557 00:24:54,511 --> 00:24:57,553 to the medical examiner's office for examination, 558 00:24:57,637 --> 00:24:59,428 and then the determination is made 559 00:24:59,511 --> 00:25:00,969 that one of them has been shot, 560 00:25:01,053 --> 00:25:02,404 and then the other one, cause of death 561 00:25:02,428 --> 00:25:04,053 was determined as strangulation 562 00:25:04,136 --> 00:25:06,303 or maybe unknown, initially. 563 00:25:06,386 --> 00:25:08,029 Both of these boys, by the way, are black, 564 00:25:08,053 --> 00:25:09,762 and they're both about 15 years old. 565 00:25:09,845 --> 00:25:11,803 The examiner called my mom, 566 00:25:11,887 --> 00:25:14,011 saying that they had found my brother. 567 00:25:14,094 --> 00:25:16,011 She said that wasn't my brother, 568 00:25:16,094 --> 00:25:17,887 'cause the body that was there... 569 00:25:17,969 --> 00:25:19,969 It didn't match any of the clothing 570 00:25:20,053 --> 00:25:21,637 that my brother was wearing. 571 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,080 At the medical examiner's office, 572 00:25:23,136 --> 00:25:24,678 Alfred's father and two brothers 573 00:25:24,762 --> 00:25:27,511 looked at the body and said it wasn't the boy they knew. 574 00:25:27,595 --> 00:25:29,511 I went to the medical examiner 575 00:25:29,595 --> 00:25:31,553 two or three times, 576 00:25:31,637 --> 00:25:34,803 looked... had to look through a little frosty window 577 00:25:34,887 --> 00:25:36,011 about that big. 578 00:25:36,094 --> 00:25:39,011 But they showed me two or three different children 579 00:25:39,094 --> 00:25:42,261 that I had to look at. 580 00:25:42,345 --> 00:25:43,678 The body stayed in the morgue 581 00:25:43,762 --> 00:25:45,553 until August 7, 1980, 582 00:25:45,637 --> 00:25:47,845 when the boy was buried in Crest Lawn Memorial Park 583 00:25:47,928 --> 00:25:50,470 as a pauper. 584 00:25:50,553 --> 00:25:52,637 In October 1980, an Atlanta detective 585 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,511 discovered Alfred's dental records. 586 00:25:54,595 --> 00:25:56,720 Associate medical examiner John Fegel 587 00:25:56,803 --> 00:25:58,720 officially pronounced the boy in Crest Lawn 588 00:25:58,803 --> 00:26:00,219 to be Alfred. 589 00:26:00,303 --> 00:26:03,845 He said his neck was broken, 590 00:26:03,928 --> 00:26:06,219 and that took the life out of me then. 591 00:26:06,303 --> 00:26:09,094 Who would want to break his neck? 592 00:26:09,178 --> 00:26:10,595 We put money together 593 00:26:10,678 --> 00:26:12,553 and gave it to him for the bus fare. 594 00:26:12,637 --> 00:26:16,053 I say, "Now, this is for your bus fare, 595 00:26:16,136 --> 00:26:17,720 "this is for your snack, 596 00:26:17,803 --> 00:26:20,261 and the movie fare." 597 00:26:20,345 --> 00:26:25,136 And I don't know if somebody broke his neck for that. 598 00:26:25,219 --> 00:26:27,969 I just never understood that. 599 00:26:29,136 --> 00:26:30,928 I feel like somebody knows something 600 00:26:31,011 --> 00:26:32,887 other than Wayne Williams. 601 00:26:34,969 --> 00:26:36,053 Reporting on the story 602 00:26:36,136 --> 00:26:37,595 of the missing and murdered children, 603 00:26:37,678 --> 00:26:40,428 at first was a story... 604 00:26:40,511 --> 00:26:44,845 It's just two boys who have been found, 605 00:26:44,928 --> 00:26:46,803 and maybe they were together. 606 00:26:46,887 --> 00:26:47,945 We don't know what happened, 607 00:26:47,969 --> 00:26:49,470 but it was just reported. 608 00:26:49,553 --> 00:26:51,386 Two young boys found dead, 609 00:26:51,470 --> 00:26:53,303 Niskey Lake Road. 610 00:26:53,386 --> 00:26:54,595 Period. 611 00:26:54,678 --> 00:26:56,345 Things started 612 00:26:56,428 --> 00:26:59,637 in the context of a high homicide year, 613 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:00,928 one of the highest in the... 614 00:27:01,011 --> 00:27:02,887 I think the highest in the history of Atlanta. 615 00:27:04,595 --> 00:27:07,428 The first year I was in in '79, 616 00:27:07,511 --> 00:27:11,219 I believe we had 230, 240 murders, 617 00:27:11,303 --> 00:27:14,428 and we were balancing two, three cases. 618 00:27:14,511 --> 00:27:16,928 Every officer was, every detective. 619 00:27:18,345 --> 00:27:20,303 Most of the crime that you were dealing with: 620 00:27:20,386 --> 00:27:22,511 black victims, black perpetrators. 621 00:27:22,595 --> 00:27:25,094 The people being victimized were the poorest people 622 00:27:25,178 --> 00:27:27,803 and the most vulnerable people in the city. 623 00:27:27,887 --> 00:27:29,303 The initial reaction was, 624 00:27:29,386 --> 00:27:32,637 "These are the kinds of things that happen every year. 625 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,595 This is nothing extraordinary." 626 00:27:34,678 --> 00:27:36,303 So it was par for the course, 627 00:27:36,386 --> 00:27:39,428 just the usual, what had happened before. 628 00:27:39,511 --> 00:27:41,178 The disappearance in September 629 00:27:41,261 --> 00:27:42,637 of another 14-year-old 630 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,678 also attracts little public attention. 631 00:27:44,762 --> 00:27:48,303 Then nine-year-old Yusuf Bell disappears. 632 00:27:48,386 --> 00:27:49,303 He wasn't the kind of little boy 633 00:27:49,386 --> 00:27:50,303 that would run away. 634 00:27:50,386 --> 00:27:51,637 He's involved in everything. 635 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,845 He's in the gifted program at Dunbar. 636 00:27:53,928 --> 00:27:57,178 He's involved in boys' club. 637 00:27:57,261 --> 00:28:00,011 He's involved in a karate class. 638 00:28:00,094 --> 00:28:02,845 He's running for treasurer of his school. 639 00:28:02,928 --> 00:28:06,011 He plays in the band. He plays drum. 640 00:28:06,094 --> 00:28:08,470 The initial police who showed up 641 00:28:08,553 --> 00:28:11,887 had, in fact, seen him going to the store, 642 00:28:11,969 --> 00:28:14,345 and we know that he got to the store 643 00:28:14,428 --> 00:28:18,011 and we know that he left the store, and... 644 00:28:18,094 --> 00:28:19,571 It's like he dropped off the edge of the world 645 00:28:19,595 --> 00:28:21,219 at McDaniel and Glen, 646 00:28:21,303 --> 00:28:22,637 and nobody's seen him since then. 647 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,178 I was able to get 648 00:28:24,261 --> 00:28:26,011 a group of high school students 649 00:28:26,094 --> 00:28:27,678 that helped with the search, 650 00:28:27,762 --> 00:28:29,637 because at that point, 651 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,345 missing persons consisted 652 00:28:31,428 --> 00:28:33,386 of a sergeant and two detectives 653 00:28:33,470 --> 00:28:35,345 for everything in Atlanta. 654 00:28:35,428 --> 00:28:37,112 Nine-year-old Yusuf Bell has been missing since Sunday. 655 00:28:37,136 --> 00:28:40,011 The nine-year-old is only one of about 656 00:28:40,094 --> 00:28:42,011 500 missing or runaways 657 00:28:42,094 --> 00:28:43,762 the squad handles each year. 658 00:28:43,845 --> 00:28:45,678 Okay, where was he last seen at? 659 00:28:45,762 --> 00:28:49,345 And so, of course, we weren't a priority. 660 00:28:49,428 --> 00:28:50,345 Just send him home. 661 00:28:50,428 --> 00:28:52,720 Just let him go and let him call us. 662 00:28:52,803 --> 00:28:53,928 We'll come pick him up. 663 00:28:54,011 --> 00:28:55,553 They don't have to even bring him back. 664 00:28:55,637 --> 00:28:57,887 Just turn him loose where he can get to a phone. 665 00:28:57,969 --> 00:28:59,511 Just send him home. 666 00:28:59,595 --> 00:29:04,261 For a child to be missing and for it to be important, 667 00:29:04,345 --> 00:29:06,386 they had to be somebody's child. 668 00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:08,178 We did not know 669 00:29:08,261 --> 00:29:10,553 that other children were missing 670 00:29:10,637 --> 00:29:13,053 until they found a body, 671 00:29:13,136 --> 00:29:16,678 and they thought it might have been Yusuf's body, 672 00:29:16,762 --> 00:29:20,553 and it was, in fact, Milton Harvey's body. 673 00:29:20,637 --> 00:29:23,470 There were also two other boys 674 00:29:23,553 --> 00:29:25,720 that were missing, 675 00:29:25,803 --> 00:29:27,637 but we didn't know that. 676 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:28,928 It took people a minute 677 00:29:29,011 --> 00:29:31,136 to really grasp the gravity of this, 678 00:29:31,219 --> 00:29:33,019 'cause black children get killed all the time. 679 00:29:33,053 --> 00:29:34,362 You know, they go missing all the time, 680 00:29:34,386 --> 00:29:35,928 and so I think it took a minute 681 00:29:36,011 --> 00:29:38,928 even for the black community to grasp the gravity 682 00:29:39,011 --> 00:29:40,094 of children missing 683 00:29:40,178 --> 00:29:41,928 over a relatively short period of time. 684 00:29:42,011 --> 00:29:44,053 Yusuf Bell, nine years old, 685 00:29:44,136 --> 00:29:45,654 missing from his home for almost a month 686 00:29:45,678 --> 00:29:48,261 then found strangled in an abandoned school. 687 00:29:48,345 --> 00:29:49,553 He had been strangled, 688 00:29:49,637 --> 00:29:51,803 and his body was put into the shaft in the floor. 689 00:29:51,887 --> 00:29:54,345 The sergeant of the missing persons unit 690 00:29:54,428 --> 00:29:57,136 and someone else came over together 691 00:29:57,219 --> 00:30:01,053 to let me know that they had found Yusuf. 692 00:30:05,762 --> 00:30:09,136 I was angry. I was hurt. 693 00:30:09,219 --> 00:30:12,678 I was relieved. 694 00:30:12,762 --> 00:30:15,803 And I know relieved sounds weird, but... 695 00:30:15,887 --> 00:30:19,928 Up until that point, in my head, 696 00:30:20,011 --> 00:30:22,053 someone has stolen my little boy 697 00:30:22,136 --> 00:30:25,428 and he's alive someplace, and they're torturing him, 698 00:30:25,511 --> 00:30:28,386 and at least I know that's not happening. 699 00:30:30,053 --> 00:30:33,261 It is my hope at this particular point 700 00:30:33,345 --> 00:30:35,136 that the conscience of this city, 701 00:30:35,219 --> 00:30:37,845 the conscience of this nation, will be penetrated 702 00:30:37,928 --> 00:30:39,595 by the life and by the death 703 00:30:39,678 --> 00:30:41,720 of this young man. 704 00:30:43,678 --> 00:30:46,595 Women like Camille Bell know the reality too well. 705 00:30:46,678 --> 00:30:48,345 After her son was murdered, 706 00:30:48,428 --> 00:30:51,178 she created the Committee to Stop Children's Murders. 707 00:30:51,261 --> 00:30:53,511 One of the things that happened fairly quickly: 708 00:30:53,595 --> 00:30:56,053 Camille Bell, she started the committee 709 00:30:56,136 --> 00:30:58,386 to protect children, and the camera loved her. 710 00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:59,386 Yusuf's dead. 711 00:30:59,470 --> 00:31:01,887 We can't do anything about that. 712 00:31:01,969 --> 00:31:04,969 But the citizens of Atlanta 713 00:31:05,053 --> 00:31:07,345 and the citizens of the surrounding area 714 00:31:07,428 --> 00:31:10,803 are going to have to take our community back. 715 00:31:10,887 --> 00:31:13,011 And she was the real firebrand 716 00:31:13,094 --> 00:31:15,011 and organizer, and she was very smart, 717 00:31:15,094 --> 00:31:16,386 media-savvy, 718 00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:19,553 so she was able to attract attention 719 00:31:19,637 --> 00:31:20,845 to this issue. 720 00:31:20,928 --> 00:31:22,637 How many children do we have to lose 721 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:23,887 in our neighborhoods 722 00:31:23,969 --> 00:31:26,511 before the police department says, 723 00:31:26,595 --> 00:31:28,928 "Hey, we've got a problem"? 724 00:31:29,011 --> 00:31:30,928 The reason there was an us at that point 725 00:31:31,011 --> 00:31:33,053 as a group was because A, 726 00:31:33,136 --> 00:31:34,720 we were being supportive of each other, 727 00:31:34,803 --> 00:31:38,595 but B, we were trying to... Since the mayor would not 728 00:31:38,678 --> 00:31:42,386 notify the city of Atlanta that something was going on, 729 00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:44,261 we were trying to notify them. 730 00:31:44,345 --> 00:31:48,887 Yusuf was last seen here, 731 00:31:48,969 --> 00:31:50,053 and he was found here. 732 00:31:50,136 --> 00:31:52,386 They did a good job, a great job, in fact, 733 00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:54,303 of creating an organization 734 00:31:54,386 --> 00:31:55,720 and then keeping that organization 735 00:31:55,803 --> 00:31:58,678 in the public eye as this calamity progressed. 736 00:31:58,762 --> 00:31:59,803 I know my son and all. 737 00:31:59,887 --> 00:32:01,887 You know there was a boy killed in his apartment. 738 00:32:01,969 --> 00:32:03,762 There's one guy I'm interested in. 739 00:32:03,845 --> 00:32:05,386 Camille Bell. 740 00:32:05,470 --> 00:32:07,178 Of all the mothers, 741 00:32:07,261 --> 00:32:10,553 she was not taking it. 742 00:32:10,637 --> 00:32:12,928 And she kept asking the mayor 743 00:32:13,011 --> 00:32:14,637 and asking the police chief 744 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,928 and applying pressure 745 00:32:17,011 --> 00:32:19,219 to the point of where 746 00:32:19,303 --> 00:32:21,928 people started not taking her seriously. 747 00:32:22,011 --> 00:32:23,720 You know, she's just a grieving mother. 748 00:32:23,803 --> 00:32:25,529 And with us this morning in our Atlanta bureau 749 00:32:25,553 --> 00:32:27,553 to talk about all of this is Mrs. Camille Bell. 750 00:32:27,637 --> 00:32:31,136 She has a special feeling because her nine-year-old son, 751 00:32:31,219 --> 00:32:34,428 Yusuf, disappeared on October 21st, 1979. 752 00:32:34,511 --> 00:32:36,303 Mrs. Bell is chairman of a new organization 753 00:32:36,386 --> 00:32:38,261 trying to deal with all of this, 754 00:32:38,345 --> 00:32:41,428 a committee called Stop the Murders of the Children. 755 00:32:41,511 --> 00:32:42,696 Is that the correct name, Ms. Bell? 756 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,219 No, it isn't, the correct name is 757 00:32:44,303 --> 00:32:45,928 the Committee to Stop Children's Murders. 758 00:32:46,011 --> 00:32:48,553 She would just show up and demand to see the mayor, 759 00:32:48,637 --> 00:32:49,696 whether he was there or not. 760 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,470 She'd show up at city council meetings, 761 00:32:51,553 --> 00:32:55,178 and from the time that she came on the scene, 762 00:32:55,261 --> 00:32:58,386 every time that another child was found dead, 763 00:32:58,470 --> 00:33:00,470 she would be the headliner, 764 00:33:00,553 --> 00:33:03,762 the constant, constant pounding on it. 765 00:33:05,428 --> 00:33:07,637 The body of 14-year-old Eric Middlebrooks 766 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,303 was found about 7:00 this morning behind a bar 767 00:33:10,386 --> 00:33:12,511 in the 200 block of Flat Shoals Road 768 00:33:12,595 --> 00:33:13,720 near Memorial. 769 00:33:14,887 --> 00:33:16,178 We got a call. 770 00:33:16,261 --> 00:33:18,470 I think it was 6:00 in the morning. 771 00:33:18,553 --> 00:33:21,178 It was not quite daylight. It was still dark out. 772 00:33:21,261 --> 00:33:24,637 And Danny Agan was working with me. 773 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,762 And this was a body 774 00:33:26,845 --> 00:33:28,136 that was dumped by the dumpster. 775 00:33:28,219 --> 00:33:30,303 When we got out there, 776 00:33:30,386 --> 00:33:32,261 we saw that it was a child. 777 00:33:33,928 --> 00:33:35,237 His mother said he left his house 778 00:33:35,261 --> 00:33:38,511 at 345 Howell Drive just a couple of blocks away 779 00:33:38,595 --> 00:33:40,511 about 10:30 last night. 780 00:33:40,595 --> 00:33:43,345 Police say he was killed soon after that. 781 00:33:43,428 --> 00:33:45,011 When you work a case like that, 782 00:33:45,094 --> 00:33:46,428 you walk onto a scene, 783 00:33:46,511 --> 00:33:48,178 and you got nothing. 784 00:33:48,261 --> 00:33:50,386 You got a body 785 00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:53,803 and any evidence that you can hopefully find. 786 00:33:53,887 --> 00:33:57,178 Of course, we didn't have a lot of technology back then. 787 00:33:57,261 --> 00:33:59,011 It was a pad and a pen, 788 00:33:59,094 --> 00:34:00,720 and, you know, roll out a tape measure 789 00:34:00,803 --> 00:34:03,386 and take measurements, take photographs. 790 00:34:03,470 --> 00:34:06,386 And he had no identification, 791 00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:08,219 nothing. 792 00:34:08,303 --> 00:34:10,887 And then his pockets were turned outside, 793 00:34:10,969 --> 00:34:13,511 like a robbery. 794 00:34:13,595 --> 00:34:16,678 There were four small puncture wounds 795 00:34:16,762 --> 00:34:18,762 to the breastplate, 796 00:34:18,845 --> 00:34:21,136 and I felt that was pretty significant, 797 00:34:21,219 --> 00:34:23,261 because it was not a cause of death 798 00:34:23,345 --> 00:34:24,720 and it was postmortem. 799 00:34:24,803 --> 00:34:26,386 There was no bleeding. 800 00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:28,094 He was hit on the back of the head 801 00:34:28,178 --> 00:34:30,053 with some kind of blunt instrument. 802 00:34:30,136 --> 00:34:32,094 So while we're stooped over the body, 803 00:34:32,178 --> 00:34:34,261 Bob notices 804 00:34:34,345 --> 00:34:37,762 a fiber attached to this boy's shoe. 805 00:34:37,845 --> 00:34:41,053 And it was a tuft of 806 00:34:41,136 --> 00:34:42,928 sort of a reddish fiber. 807 00:34:45,345 --> 00:34:46,762 And so I was preparing it 808 00:34:46,845 --> 00:34:50,053 to go take it to the GBI lab, 809 00:34:50,136 --> 00:34:53,053 and so my lieutenant, BL Nikirk... 810 00:34:53,136 --> 00:34:54,261 He walked over and he said, 811 00:34:54,345 --> 00:34:56,386 "Well, what are you doing, Buffington?" 812 00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:59,094 And I tried to explain that we think that 813 00:34:59,178 --> 00:35:01,428 it can be something significant, 814 00:35:01,511 --> 00:35:03,637 and he was... 815 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:05,887 He didn't care about it, and he said to the guys. 816 00:35:05,969 --> 00:35:08,470 He said, "Yeah, well, Buffington's gonna go home 817 00:35:08,553 --> 00:35:11,094 "with me, and we're gonna clean out my dryer, 818 00:35:11,178 --> 00:35:13,969 and we'll solve all the murders in Atlanta," 819 00:35:14,053 --> 00:35:15,803 and they all laughed, ha, ha, ha. 820 00:35:15,887 --> 00:35:17,053 Real funny. 821 00:35:17,136 --> 00:35:19,178 We haven't uncovered anything now 822 00:35:19,261 --> 00:35:20,470 that would lead us to believe 823 00:35:20,553 --> 00:35:22,428 that there's any connection at all 824 00:35:22,511 --> 00:35:25,261 between this and any other of the homicides 825 00:35:25,345 --> 00:35:27,386 that we've had of the young people in the city. 826 00:35:27,470 --> 00:35:30,261 At that time, of course, there was no DNA. 827 00:35:30,345 --> 00:35:33,094 The only thing we could have is, if you had blood, 828 00:35:33,178 --> 00:35:36,595 then you could trace it back, male, female, black, white. 829 00:35:36,678 --> 00:35:39,637 Hair, you could do the same thing. 830 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:41,637 Fingerprints, of course. 831 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:43,511 So there wasn't a whole lot to work with. 832 00:35:43,595 --> 00:35:45,969 It was all work the street, 833 00:35:46,053 --> 00:35:47,345 talk to people, 834 00:35:47,428 --> 00:35:49,637 find out what the person did, 835 00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:51,345 if he had any enemies. 836 00:35:51,428 --> 00:35:52,969 He was identified by some of the kids 837 00:35:53,053 --> 00:35:55,303 who went to school with him at Roosevelt High School. 838 00:35:55,386 --> 00:35:57,303 We went to the address that was listed 839 00:35:57,386 --> 00:35:58,969 for Eric Middlebrooks 840 00:35:59,053 --> 00:36:01,345 and spoke with his foster mother. 841 00:36:01,428 --> 00:36:05,595 Danny and I stayed out on the front stoop, 842 00:36:05,678 --> 00:36:08,511 and she talked to us through the screen door. 843 00:36:08,595 --> 00:36:10,345 It's a lot like in the movies. 844 00:36:10,428 --> 00:36:12,303 When you go into the neighborhood, 845 00:36:12,386 --> 00:36:15,303 a lot of people just don't want to talk to you, 846 00:36:15,386 --> 00:36:18,011 and so that's... That's what we were faced with 847 00:36:18,094 --> 00:36:19,845 most of the time. 848 00:36:19,928 --> 00:36:22,887 Really, the first murder is just a murder. 849 00:36:22,969 --> 00:36:25,011 The second murder, in retrospect, 850 00:36:25,094 --> 00:36:26,094 is part of a pattern, 851 00:36:26,136 --> 00:36:28,345 but the fact is, 852 00:36:28,428 --> 00:36:33,678 in any large city in 1979, '80, '81, 853 00:36:33,762 --> 00:36:36,303 there was a fair amount of crime, 854 00:36:36,386 --> 00:36:38,845 and every large city newspaper 855 00:36:38,928 --> 00:36:43,011 and the local TV station has to figure out 856 00:36:43,094 --> 00:36:45,678 how to cover that best for its public. 857 00:36:45,762 --> 00:36:47,678 You had kids who were a second... 858 00:36:47,762 --> 00:36:48,762 Who were afterthought, 859 00:36:48,845 --> 00:36:50,053 You had the media. 860 00:36:50,136 --> 00:36:53,345 They were kind of late getting on board. 861 00:36:53,428 --> 00:36:55,720 And by the media being late, 862 00:36:55,803 --> 00:36:57,762 law enforcement could take their time 863 00:36:57,845 --> 00:36:59,887 'cause nobody's really looking at them, 864 00:36:59,969 --> 00:37:02,178 so you have, like, a perfect storm going on, 865 00:37:02,261 --> 00:37:05,887 and so that allowed it to... To fester. 866 00:37:05,969 --> 00:37:08,386 LaTonya Wilson, seven years old, 867 00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:09,945 kidnapped from the bedroom of her home 868 00:37:09,969 --> 00:37:11,887 on Verbena Street Southwest, 869 00:37:11,969 --> 00:37:14,386 missing since June 22nd. 870 00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:16,969 I just want my little girl found safely 871 00:37:17,053 --> 00:37:18,553 and brought home. 872 00:37:18,637 --> 00:37:20,887 I miss her, and I love her. 873 00:37:20,969 --> 00:37:23,386 I want her... 874 00:37:23,470 --> 00:37:25,053 All together, nine children 875 00:37:25,136 --> 00:37:26,720 between the ages of 7 and 14 876 00:37:26,803 --> 00:37:28,887 have disappeared in the last year. 877 00:37:28,969 --> 00:37:30,720 Five were later found dead. 878 00:37:30,803 --> 00:37:32,762 The other four are still missing. 879 00:37:34,637 --> 00:37:39,219 There is something wrong with the heart of Atlanta. 880 00:37:39,303 --> 00:37:42,428 There is something wrong with the spirit of Atlanta. 881 00:37:42,511 --> 00:37:46,094 There was an image maintenance problem. 882 00:37:46,178 --> 00:37:48,762 Atlanta was trying to establish that 883 00:37:48,845 --> 00:37:51,386 it was a good place to invest, 884 00:37:51,470 --> 00:37:53,261 a good place for conventions to come. 885 00:37:53,345 --> 00:37:56,386 They opened the new Atlanta airport terminal, 886 00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:58,887 which at that time was a big deal. 887 00:37:58,969 --> 00:38:02,428 It was very important to keep money and... 888 00:38:02,511 --> 00:38:03,762 white folks, primarily, 889 00:38:03,845 --> 00:38:05,762 coming to Atlanta and feeling safe here 890 00:38:05,845 --> 00:38:08,470 and feeling safe investing here. 891 00:38:08,553 --> 00:38:10,887 Then I see our leadership, 892 00:38:10,969 --> 00:38:12,637 and only words that I have for it, 893 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:14,928 because sometimes my vocabulary gets limited, 894 00:38:15,011 --> 00:38:17,219 is shucking and jiving. 895 00:38:17,303 --> 00:38:19,928 Camille Bell and the mothers committee 896 00:38:20,011 --> 00:38:22,595 provided a great public service. 897 00:38:22,678 --> 00:38:24,470 I'm not sure that that would've been 898 00:38:24,553 --> 00:38:27,845 the first reaction of the Atlanta Police Department, 899 00:38:27,928 --> 00:38:32,136 you know, which also was under the command of Lee Brown, 900 00:38:32,219 --> 00:38:34,637 a black commissioner, 901 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:38,303 and so there was at first a bit of astonishment 902 00:38:38,386 --> 00:38:41,094 that the police department was being accused 903 00:38:41,178 --> 00:38:44,637 of ignoring murders of black children, 904 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:47,803 you know, because that would be the last thing 905 00:38:47,887 --> 00:38:50,011 that Maynard Jackson or Lee Brown 906 00:38:50,094 --> 00:38:53,845 or any of the people working for them would've wanted. 907 00:38:53,928 --> 00:38:55,321 Atlanta Public Safety Commissioner 908 00:38:55,345 --> 00:38:57,136 Lee P. Brown is standing by. Go right ahead. 909 00:38:57,219 --> 00:38:58,362 You're on "Sunday Evening Live." 910 00:38:58,386 --> 00:38:59,803 I would like to know 911 00:38:59,887 --> 00:39:02,178 why so many black kids 912 00:39:02,261 --> 00:39:04,011 have, you know, had to die 913 00:39:04,094 --> 00:39:06,178 before anyone got really interested in, 914 00:39:06,261 --> 00:39:08,219 you know, solving... you know, 915 00:39:08,303 --> 00:39:10,345 wondering what happened to them, you know? 916 00:39:10,428 --> 00:39:12,219 I mean, a bunch of them died 917 00:39:12,303 --> 00:39:14,303 before anyone got interested, you know? 918 00:39:14,386 --> 00:39:16,345 Just 'cause they black kids. 919 00:39:16,428 --> 00:39:18,678 From our perspective, we became concerned 920 00:39:18,762 --> 00:39:20,887 when we had the death of the first black child. 921 00:39:20,969 --> 00:39:23,386 We all were saying to the administration, 922 00:39:23,470 --> 00:39:25,219 'cause I had been the city hall reporter, 923 00:39:25,303 --> 00:39:28,678 "Why aren't we putting more resources 924 00:39:28,762 --> 00:39:30,845 into finding out who's doing this?" 925 00:39:30,928 --> 00:39:34,969 It didn't become the story it should have been 926 00:39:35,053 --> 00:39:36,637 until, I think, 927 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:39,511 there were nine young people who were dead, 928 00:39:39,595 --> 00:39:41,969 and that's when they formed the task force. 929 00:39:42,053 --> 00:39:43,904 Investigation of the murdered and missing children 930 00:39:43,928 --> 00:39:45,345 is under a special task force 931 00:39:45,428 --> 00:39:46,845 of the Atlanta Police Department 932 00:39:46,928 --> 00:39:48,011 with assistance 933 00:39:48,094 --> 00:39:49,571 from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. 934 00:39:49,595 --> 00:39:50,887 When the task force was formed, 935 00:39:50,969 --> 00:39:52,386 the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, 936 00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:54,595 Atlanta PD, the Fulton County Sheriff's Office, 937 00:39:54,678 --> 00:39:55,887 everybody was involved. 938 00:39:55,969 --> 00:39:58,386 The head the task force is Major W.J. Taylor, 939 00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:59,887 whose background includes traffic, 940 00:39:59,969 --> 00:40:01,845 the SWAT team, and community affairs, 941 00:40:01,928 --> 00:40:04,053 but no investigative duties. 942 00:40:04,136 --> 00:40:05,720 To my surprise, 943 00:40:05,803 --> 00:40:08,011 I was called into the commissioner's office 944 00:40:08,094 --> 00:40:09,928 and told that I was going to become 945 00:40:10,011 --> 00:40:11,386 the commander of that task force. 946 00:40:11,470 --> 00:40:14,553 I was absolutely shocked at the time, 947 00:40:14,637 --> 00:40:16,386 because prior to that time, 948 00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:19,553 I had not worked any homicide cases. 949 00:40:19,637 --> 00:40:21,219 It was sort of comical. 950 00:40:21,303 --> 00:40:23,386 The homicide commander at that time 951 00:40:23,470 --> 00:40:25,053 made a joke about it, he said, 952 00:40:25,136 --> 00:40:26,237 "Taylor wouldn't know a dead body 953 00:40:26,261 --> 00:40:27,511 if he walked... Fell over it." 954 00:40:27,595 --> 00:40:29,553 If you have any information, 955 00:40:29,637 --> 00:40:31,969 please call the Special Task Force on Children 956 00:40:32,053 --> 00:40:33,595 at 658-68... 957 00:40:33,678 --> 00:40:36,136 We were getting thousands of leads and tips 958 00:40:36,219 --> 00:40:37,887 into the task force. 959 00:40:37,969 --> 00:40:39,553 It was overwhelming. 960 00:40:39,637 --> 00:40:42,261 We're not gonna leave any stone unturned. 961 00:40:42,345 --> 00:40:45,969 And I suppose one of the biggest frustrations 962 00:40:46,053 --> 00:40:48,011 that we had: we invited to... 963 00:40:48,094 --> 00:40:51,428 The commissioner invited... Well, I won't say he invited. 964 00:40:51,511 --> 00:40:53,261 He was almost forced. 965 00:40:53,345 --> 00:40:56,720 Dorothy Allison, which is a... I guess she was a psychic 966 00:40:56,803 --> 00:40:58,219 contacted the media, 967 00:40:58,303 --> 00:41:00,428 and told the media that she had information 968 00:41:00,511 --> 00:41:02,887 regarding who was killing the kids. 969 00:41:02,969 --> 00:41:04,237 Are you confident you'll be able 970 00:41:04,261 --> 00:41:05,279 to solve this crime? I'm positive. 971 00:41:05,303 --> 00:41:06,637 I'm not confident. 972 00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:08,362 There won't be any more dead. I'm here now. 973 00:41:08,386 --> 00:41:11,053 So we get the psychic coming in. 974 00:41:11,136 --> 00:41:12,845 We have to chauffeur her around 975 00:41:12,969 --> 00:41:14,969 to the various crime sites. 976 00:41:15,053 --> 00:41:16,345 A visit by Dorothy Allison 977 00:41:16,428 --> 00:41:18,678 has all the trappings of a visit by a celebrity. 978 00:41:18,762 --> 00:41:20,637 Her two-car caravan is filled 979 00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:22,637 with investigators and companions. 980 00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:25,094 They pour into the house and hover over the psychic 981 00:41:25,178 --> 00:41:26,678 until she gets what she is after, 982 00:41:26,762 --> 00:41:28,219 and what she is after 983 00:41:28,303 --> 00:41:30,136 is a feeling, an impression, 984 00:41:30,219 --> 00:41:32,845 a mental image which will lead police to a solution. 985 00:41:32,928 --> 00:41:36,845 And today, Dorothy Allison feels she will have answers. 986 00:41:36,928 --> 00:41:39,637 And as a result of that one psychic, 987 00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:42,094 I think every psychic in the country 988 00:41:42,178 --> 00:41:44,803 decided they had information that we needed. 989 00:41:44,887 --> 00:41:46,637 There. Oh, God. 990 00:41:50,887 --> 00:41:53,845 This is... bad. 991 00:41:53,969 --> 00:41:56,553 Bad. 992 00:41:56,637 --> 00:41:57,553 And then it's like... 993 00:41:57,637 --> 00:41:59,178 And you sit there, and you're like, 994 00:41:59,261 --> 00:42:00,720 "What? What just happened?" 995 00:42:00,803 --> 00:42:03,678 That's the kind of crazy that was going on in Atlanta. 996 00:42:03,762 --> 00:42:06,011 Dressed in red berets and insignia T-shirts, 997 00:42:06,094 --> 00:42:07,803 New York's Guardian Angels came to teach 998 00:42:07,887 --> 00:42:10,219 Atlanta's children how to protect themselves. 999 00:42:10,887 --> 00:42:13,803 There's no doubt that in the public housing projects, 1000 00:42:13,887 --> 00:42:16,887 people had pretty much lost faith in law enforcement. 1001 00:42:16,969 --> 00:42:19,887 If a serious crime is being committed on this corner, 1002 00:42:19,969 --> 00:42:21,595 we're not just gonna run to a telephone 1003 00:42:21,678 --> 00:42:22,845 and call the police. 1004 00:42:22,928 --> 00:42:25,136 We are going to utilize our constitutional power 1005 00:42:25,219 --> 00:42:26,379 of making a citizen's arrest. 1006 00:42:26,428 --> 00:42:29,011 We're gonna pursue that individual, detain him. 1007 00:42:29,094 --> 00:42:30,237 There's a lot of people that say, 1008 00:42:30,261 --> 00:42:32,029 "We just don't see cops anywhere, we don't see it." 1009 00:42:32,053 --> 00:42:34,428 I brought that to the attention of Lee Brown, 1010 00:42:34,511 --> 00:42:35,928 who was the public safety director. 1011 00:42:36,011 --> 00:42:38,094 He said, "Well, we have budgetary issues." 1012 00:42:38,178 --> 00:42:39,887 I said, "You might have budgetary issues, 1013 00:42:39,969 --> 00:42:42,553 "but you need to get cops out there in uniform, 1014 00:42:42,637 --> 00:42:44,678 showing people that you dare to care." 1015 00:42:45,595 --> 00:42:47,511 Everything you could think of, 1016 00:42:47,595 --> 00:42:51,094 from psychics to dogs to profilers... 1017 00:42:51,178 --> 00:42:54,845 They were just throwing stuff up against the wall 1018 00:42:54,928 --> 00:42:57,845 rather than getting back to basic police work. 1019 00:42:57,928 --> 00:43:00,428 But, Lord, I really hope they find out who's doing this 1020 00:43:00,511 --> 00:43:02,053 and get them stopped, 1021 00:43:02,136 --> 00:43:04,345 because this city can't handle 1022 00:43:04,428 --> 00:43:06,303 losing many more children. 1023 00:43:06,386 --> 00:43:08,720 Christopher Richardson, age 11. 1024 00:43:08,803 --> 00:43:11,428 He vanished while playing near his home June 9th 1025 00:43:11,511 --> 00:43:13,053 and is still missing. 1026 00:43:13,136 --> 00:43:14,720 We're just so upset. 1027 00:43:14,803 --> 00:43:18,762 We are concerned about our boy. 1028 00:43:18,845 --> 00:43:20,261 And all I want is just tell him 1029 00:43:20,345 --> 00:43:22,261 "Your mom's here." 1030 00:43:22,345 --> 00:43:23,654 He used to play with a little boy 1031 00:43:23,678 --> 00:43:25,261 down the street. 1032 00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:29,345 They just disappeared from the neighborhood. 1033 00:43:30,053 --> 00:43:32,720 I called the police. 1034 00:43:32,803 --> 00:43:36,261 They told me that they couldn't do anything 1035 00:43:36,345 --> 00:43:39,595 because it was... 1036 00:43:39,678 --> 00:43:41,969 I don't know how they handled it. 1037 00:43:42,053 --> 00:43:44,261 It wasn't the way I thought it would be. 1038 00:43:44,345 --> 00:43:46,553 I thought they would come, you know, 1039 00:43:46,637 --> 00:43:49,094 sit down and talk to me and explain 1040 00:43:49,178 --> 00:43:50,762 some of this stuff that was going on, 1041 00:43:50,845 --> 00:43:53,762 but I didn't get a chance... 1042 00:43:53,845 --> 00:43:56,511 Or they didn't get a chance to talk with me about it. 1043 00:43:57,845 --> 00:43:59,969 Just, I don't understand 1044 00:44:00,053 --> 00:44:03,845 how people can just take your child like that. 1045 00:44:03,928 --> 00:44:08,094 We looked everywhere we knew to look, 1046 00:44:08,178 --> 00:44:10,261 but I couldn't find my baby. 1047 00:44:11,845 --> 00:44:13,969 Anthony Carter, age nine, 1048 00:44:14,053 --> 00:44:16,637 found stabbed to death July 7th, 1049 00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:18,969 and Earl Lee Terrell, 1050 00:44:19,053 --> 00:44:20,803 last seen on July 30th, 1051 00:44:20,887 --> 00:44:22,595 still missing. 1052 00:44:22,678 --> 00:44:24,178 Earl Lee Terrell was my brother. 1053 00:44:24,261 --> 00:44:26,511 We was two years apart. He was the oldest. 1054 00:44:30,887 --> 00:44:32,637 I remember how we used 1055 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:34,136 to play here all over this place. 1056 00:44:34,219 --> 00:44:36,470 All the kids used to be out here. 1057 00:44:36,553 --> 00:44:39,303 Whole bunch of kids out here. 1058 00:44:39,386 --> 00:44:41,219 That day, my brother Earl was like, 1059 00:44:41,303 --> 00:44:43,595 "I want to go to the swimming pool." 1060 00:44:43,678 --> 00:44:45,404 My brother didn't have no clean swimming trunks, 1061 00:44:45,428 --> 00:44:46,446 so I gave him my swimming trunks, 1062 00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:47,720 and I gave him my money, 1063 00:44:47,803 --> 00:44:49,553 and 20 minutes later, 1064 00:44:49,637 --> 00:44:51,845 start walking... They came to the pool. 1065 00:44:51,928 --> 00:44:54,136 That's when it all started. 1066 00:44:54,219 --> 00:44:56,011 Terrell was last seen in July, 1067 00:44:56,094 --> 00:44:58,261 sitting outside a pool at South Bend Park. 1068 00:44:58,345 --> 00:45:01,261 Then he mysteriously disappeared. 1069 00:45:01,345 --> 00:45:03,178 It wasn't unusual for him to walk home. 1070 00:45:03,261 --> 00:45:05,178 He knew to go straight home. 1071 00:45:05,261 --> 00:45:06,637 So that's why I was kind of... 1072 00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:08,887 It's kind of crazy to me, like... 1073 00:45:10,094 --> 00:45:11,637 How? 1074 00:45:12,803 --> 00:45:14,178 We went looking for him, 1075 00:45:14,261 --> 00:45:16,678 went all over the neighborhood where we always hang out at, 1076 00:45:16,762 --> 00:45:18,720 and never found him. 1077 00:45:20,595 --> 00:45:22,136 We were asking Maynard Jackson 1078 00:45:22,219 --> 00:45:26,178 to warn the city that something was going on. 1079 00:45:26,261 --> 00:45:28,553 He told us he didn't want to alarm 1080 00:45:28,637 --> 00:45:30,553 people in the city of Atlanta. 1081 00:45:30,637 --> 00:45:33,928 His own workers 1082 00:45:34,011 --> 00:45:37,720 put Earl Terrell out of that swimming pool 1083 00:45:37,803 --> 00:45:41,053 because they didn't know it was so unsafe out there, 1084 00:45:41,136 --> 00:45:43,386 and that would've been fine 1085 00:45:43,470 --> 00:45:46,345 if it had been 1978 in Atlanta, 1086 00:45:46,428 --> 00:45:48,219 but it was 1980, 1087 00:45:48,303 --> 00:45:50,178 and children were being murdered. 1088 00:45:50,261 --> 00:45:54,261 Clifford Jones became victim number 12. 1089 00:45:54,345 --> 00:45:56,053 His body was found behind a dumpster 1090 00:45:56,136 --> 00:45:58,094 at the Hollywood Plaza shopping center. 1091 00:45:58,178 --> 00:46:01,595 Around September of '78, 1092 00:46:01,678 --> 00:46:04,678 we moved to Atlanta from Chattanooga, Tennessee. 1093 00:46:04,762 --> 00:46:07,553 My nephew Clifford came in town to visit us, 1094 00:46:07,637 --> 00:46:08,863 him and his sisters and his brother 1095 00:46:08,887 --> 00:46:10,303 and his mother. 1096 00:46:10,386 --> 00:46:14,219 I was 13, the day before my 14th birthday. 1097 00:46:15,553 --> 00:46:17,887 I asked my older sister to bake me a birthday cake. 1098 00:46:17,969 --> 00:46:20,470 And we ran out of sugar, 1099 00:46:20,553 --> 00:46:23,637 we didn't have no Kool-Aid, 1100 00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:25,428 and I needed some salt, 1101 00:46:25,511 --> 00:46:27,470 'cause I'm making a homemade cake. 1102 00:46:27,553 --> 00:46:31,094 And I sent them to the store. 1103 00:46:31,178 --> 00:46:32,928 So we walked up Hollywood Road 1104 00:46:33,011 --> 00:46:35,136 to the store called Big Star. 1105 00:46:36,553 --> 00:46:38,553 Clifford asked, could he stay outside 1106 00:46:38,637 --> 00:46:41,261 to help people put groceries and stuff in they car, 1107 00:46:41,345 --> 00:46:42,428 so I just told Clifford 1108 00:46:42,511 --> 00:46:44,428 just stay in front of the store. 1109 00:46:44,511 --> 00:46:46,011 We got the stuff. 1110 00:46:46,094 --> 00:46:47,487 We was in there probably about 15 minutes, 1111 00:46:47,511 --> 00:46:49,803 and while I was in the line paying for the stuff, 1112 00:46:49,887 --> 00:46:52,303 I asked Emmanuel to go let his brother know 1113 00:46:52,386 --> 00:46:54,969 we finna get ready to go, and he came back into the store 1114 00:46:55,053 --> 00:46:56,845 and he said he didn't see him nowhere. 1115 00:46:56,928 --> 00:46:59,470 So I thought maybe he was in the store, 1116 00:46:59,553 --> 00:47:02,011 so we looked around for him for a few minutes, 1117 00:47:02,094 --> 00:47:03,928 and then we went back outside looking for him, 1118 00:47:04,011 --> 00:47:05,291 but we couldn't find him nowhere, 1119 00:47:05,345 --> 00:47:08,136 so we started to walk home. 1120 00:47:08,219 --> 00:47:09,928 When they came back in the door, 1121 00:47:10,011 --> 00:47:12,136 there's no Clifford. 1122 00:47:12,219 --> 00:47:15,011 And I looked up the street, I just didn't see him. 1123 00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:19,762 And so we walked back to the Big Star store, 1124 00:47:19,845 --> 00:47:22,303 and we were asking everybody as we pass people 1125 00:47:22,386 --> 00:47:23,803 did they see a little boy. 1126 00:47:27,219 --> 00:47:30,303 It was about 10:00, almost 11:00. 1127 00:47:31,762 --> 00:47:33,845 They knocked on the door. 1128 00:47:33,928 --> 00:47:35,738 They were trying to get me to look at the picture, 1129 00:47:35,762 --> 00:47:37,011 and I didn't want to look at it 1130 00:47:37,094 --> 00:47:39,011 'cause I didn't want it to be Clifford. 1131 00:47:46,428 --> 00:47:48,803 And I just fell to the floor, 1132 00:47:48,887 --> 00:47:50,845 and I guess I must've passed out, 1133 00:47:50,928 --> 00:47:53,511 'cause my brother Ricky was the one 1134 00:47:53,595 --> 00:47:56,345 who had to identify Clifford's body. 1135 00:47:56,428 --> 00:47:59,178 And when he came back in the door, he told me... 1136 00:47:59,261 --> 00:48:02,553 Told me that it was him, 1137 00:48:02,637 --> 00:48:05,553 said he's laying down there like he asleep. 1138 00:48:08,637 --> 00:48:10,511 I'm just so sorry. 1139 00:48:10,595 --> 00:48:11,928 I was just so excited 1140 00:48:12,011 --> 00:48:14,887 that I was gonna get that birthday cake, and... 1141 00:48:14,969 --> 00:48:17,553 That I took the... Went to that store 1142 00:48:17,637 --> 00:48:19,720 and he didn't come back with me. 1143 00:48:19,803 --> 00:48:21,553 I'm sorry. 1144 00:48:21,637 --> 00:48:23,553 But you don't have no reason to be sorry. 1145 00:48:23,637 --> 00:48:26,928 You didn't do... you didn't have nothing to do with it. 1146 00:48:27,011 --> 00:48:30,178 No, you did not cause that to happen. 1147 00:48:31,470 --> 00:48:34,428 I'm gonna always be big sister, no matter what. 1148 00:48:34,511 --> 00:48:36,553 I know. 1149 00:48:36,637 --> 00:48:38,678 I love you, big sister. 1150 00:48:50,261 --> 00:48:52,386 He was victim number 14, 1151 00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:54,094 the latest to die. 1152 00:48:54,178 --> 00:48:56,053 12-year-old Charles Stephens, 1153 00:48:56,136 --> 00:48:57,428 smothered to death. 1154 00:48:57,511 --> 00:49:00,762 In the face of all of our tragedies, 1155 00:49:00,845 --> 00:49:02,969 we wonder sometimes, 1156 00:49:03,053 --> 00:49:05,219 "Where is God?" 1157 00:49:05,303 --> 00:49:06,654 What is happening in the black community? 1158 00:49:06,678 --> 00:49:08,428 There's all this violence directed at us. 1159 00:49:08,511 --> 00:49:10,386 Nobody was really sure what was happening. 1160 00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:14,928 You know, a couple kids... That's just a murder. 1161 00:49:15,011 --> 00:49:16,637 Five kids? Wait a minute. 1162 00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:17,762 Ten kids? 1163 00:49:17,845 --> 00:49:19,428 12 kids? 1164 00:49:19,511 --> 00:49:20,887 As it built, 1165 00:49:20,969 --> 00:49:23,928 you could feel the anxiety building with people because 1166 00:49:24,011 --> 00:49:27,637 this constant in the life of black people vulnerability, 1167 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:30,136 that at any moment, you could be stolen. 1168 00:49:32,386 --> 00:49:34,219 That's deep in our psyche, 1169 00:49:34,303 --> 00:49:36,470 that we come from stolen people. 1170 00:49:36,553 --> 00:49:37,863 We know people who have been stolen 1171 00:49:37,887 --> 00:49:39,678 in our family legacy. 1172 00:49:39,762 --> 00:49:42,345 And so the thought of children being stolen 1173 00:49:42,428 --> 00:49:45,011 right in front of their house, right in their own community, 1174 00:49:45,094 --> 00:49:46,094 walking home from school, 1175 00:49:46,178 --> 00:49:47,428 from this neighborhood store... 1176 00:49:50,053 --> 00:49:53,470 It was hard to even process emotionally, 1177 00:49:53,553 --> 00:49:56,303 you know, in the black mecca city 1178 00:49:56,386 --> 00:49:57,637 of Atlanta. 1179 00:49:57,720 --> 00:50:00,178 In the community, there was a lot of frustration 1180 00:50:00,261 --> 00:50:02,136 around the child murders, 1181 00:50:02,219 --> 00:50:03,928 and it really came to a head 1182 00:50:04,011 --> 00:50:06,845 with the October 1980 explosion 1183 00:50:06,928 --> 00:50:09,136 at the daycare center in Bowen Homes. 1184 00:50:09,219 --> 00:50:11,762 10:22 on October 13th, 1185 00:50:11,845 --> 00:50:15,678 an explosion with the force of 75 sticks of dynamite 1186 00:50:15,762 --> 00:50:18,470 ripped the roof off the daycare center. 1187 00:50:18,553 --> 00:50:19,993 Sir, do you have children in there? 1188 00:50:20,053 --> 00:50:21,386 Yeah. Who? 1189 00:50:21,470 --> 00:50:22,845 Uh, my little... I got nieces. 1190 00:50:22,928 --> 00:50:24,678 I got about nine nieces in there. 1191 00:50:24,762 --> 00:50:26,511 The Bowen Home explosion. 1192 00:50:26,595 --> 00:50:29,345 I was laying in my bed, 1193 00:50:29,428 --> 00:50:32,178 and this is the daycare, and this is my apartment. 1194 00:50:32,261 --> 00:50:34,345 So it shook my whole bed. 1195 00:50:34,428 --> 00:50:36,011 It shook the whole apartment. 1196 00:50:36,094 --> 00:50:37,845 There were five people dead, 1197 00:50:37,928 --> 00:50:40,345 four of them children, 1198 00:50:40,428 --> 00:50:42,261 the fifth being a teacher. 1199 00:50:42,345 --> 00:50:43,720 The first ambulance to arrive 1200 00:50:43,803 --> 00:50:45,511 held six-year-old Vermika Moreland, 1201 00:50:45,595 --> 00:50:47,355 critically injured with a depression fracture 1202 00:50:47,428 --> 00:50:48,511 in her skull. 1203 00:50:48,595 --> 00:50:50,678 From then, it was a horrifying parade 1204 00:50:50,762 --> 00:50:52,178 of small, injured children. 1205 00:50:52,261 --> 00:50:53,969 The black community was panicked. 1206 00:50:54,053 --> 00:50:56,553 Nine children in Atlanta were already murdered. 1207 00:50:56,637 --> 00:50:57,887 Now this. 1208 00:50:57,969 --> 00:50:59,428 My baby! 1209 00:50:59,511 --> 00:51:01,470 There was a sense that the community 1210 00:51:01,553 --> 00:51:03,094 was under attack. 1211 00:51:03,178 --> 00:51:05,511 Listen to me. Listen to me. 1212 00:51:05,595 --> 00:51:07,235 Can you confirm how many were dead, sir? 1213 00:51:07,303 --> 00:51:09,511 There are five confirmed dead. 1214 00:51:11,345 --> 00:51:12,887 How does this happen? 1215 00:51:12,969 --> 00:51:15,928 People felt someone had planted a bomb. 1216 00:51:16,011 --> 00:51:19,136 Other people thought the Klan had come in. 1217 00:51:20,345 --> 00:51:24,011 Everyone assumed that there was a plot 1218 00:51:24,094 --> 00:51:27,637 to kill mass numbers of black children. 1219 00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:30,219 There was a group of people, very angry, 1220 00:51:30,303 --> 00:51:32,553 who insisted this was deliberate. 1221 00:51:34,011 --> 00:51:35,595 I called the mayor, and he came. 1222 00:51:37,303 --> 00:51:41,637 There was still smoke coming from the daycare center... 1223 00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:44,094 What was left of it... Debris scattered around. 1224 00:51:44,178 --> 00:51:47,094 You had all of these mothers 1225 00:51:47,178 --> 00:51:48,762 and relatives... 1226 00:51:48,845 --> 00:51:50,386 Annie May? Annie May Barber. 1227 00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:52,303 Of these children who attended 1228 00:51:52,386 --> 00:51:53,470 the daycare center, 1229 00:51:53,553 --> 00:51:55,928 and in the middle of all this, 1230 00:51:56,011 --> 00:51:59,011 Maynard Jackson with a megaphone 1231 00:51:59,094 --> 00:52:02,053 trying to quell this crowd. 1232 00:52:10,887 --> 00:52:12,553 We want... 1233 00:52:12,637 --> 00:52:14,094 Do you have another megaphone? 1234 00:52:14,178 --> 00:52:17,428 Maynard Jackson had no answers at the time 1235 00:52:17,511 --> 00:52:19,428 other than to say that 1236 00:52:19,511 --> 00:52:20,803 they could count on the fact 1237 00:52:20,887 --> 00:52:23,303 that there would be more investigation. 1238 00:52:23,386 --> 00:52:26,511 I want you to know we will not rest 1239 00:52:26,595 --> 00:52:28,928 until we turn every stone 1240 00:52:29,011 --> 00:52:31,969 to find the reason for this, 1241 00:52:32,053 --> 00:52:36,637 which at this point, appears to be an accident. 1242 00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:38,803 What else do we have? 1243 00:52:38,887 --> 00:52:41,303 There was a sense of questioning 1244 00:52:41,386 --> 00:52:42,762 whether there was... you know, 1245 00:52:42,845 --> 00:52:45,511 the competence of the people who were in charge. 1246 00:52:45,595 --> 00:52:50,053 Our fire and police officials have told us 1247 00:52:50,136 --> 00:52:52,261 the only evidence we have at this time 1248 00:52:52,345 --> 00:52:55,470 indicates that this was an accident. 1249 00:52:55,553 --> 00:52:57,303 Just a minute. 1250 00:52:57,386 --> 00:52:58,803 Just a minute. 1251 00:52:58,887 --> 00:53:00,928 Everyone was so hysterical, 1252 00:53:01,011 --> 00:53:03,136 so that when Maynard came... 1253 00:53:05,386 --> 00:53:06,720 It was almost as if 1254 00:53:06,803 --> 00:53:09,345 a sea of people wanted to attack him... 1255 00:53:09,428 --> 00:53:10,969 I know the frustration you feel. 1256 00:53:11,053 --> 00:53:12,887 I feel the same frustration. 1257 00:53:12,969 --> 00:53:14,154 Just a minute! 1258 00:53:14,178 --> 00:53:15,845 Just a minute! Don't get mad at us! 1259 00:53:15,928 --> 00:53:18,928 That's the God's truth! 1260 00:53:19,011 --> 00:53:22,303 To blame him for what had happened. 1261 00:53:22,386 --> 00:53:25,345 I tell you, I want... I want to do some volunteer... 1262 00:53:25,428 --> 00:53:26,613 I don't want no kind of publicity. 1263 00:53:26,637 --> 00:53:27,678 I wanna do some volunteer. 1264 00:53:27,762 --> 00:53:28,945 I wanna be the volunteer work. 1265 00:53:28,969 --> 00:53:31,136 I wanna go out there and find out why it happened 1266 00:53:31,219 --> 00:53:33,053 and what it happened with and who did it. 1267 00:53:33,136 --> 00:53:34,738 That's what I want to find out... who did it... 1268 00:53:34,762 --> 00:53:36,178 Because he didn't do it on his own. 1269 00:53:36,261 --> 00:53:37,887 Somebody had to have a key. 1270 00:53:37,969 --> 00:53:39,136 The door was open! 1271 00:53:39,219 --> 00:53:43,219 This could have turned into a riot, 1272 00:53:43,303 --> 00:53:45,595 because people were that angry. 1273 00:53:50,136 --> 00:53:52,053 See you on TV, we don't want to see you 1274 00:53:52,136 --> 00:53:53,845 at voting time, we want to see you now 1275 00:53:53,928 --> 00:53:55,279 about our children. Damn straight! 1276 00:53:55,303 --> 00:53:57,219 The mayor was painted 1277 00:53:57,303 --> 00:53:58,887 with a broad brush 1278 00:53:58,969 --> 00:54:03,219 as caring more for the city and its image 1279 00:54:03,303 --> 00:54:05,720 than caring about the black children. 1280 00:54:05,803 --> 00:54:08,386 And I know you in a bad spot, 1281 00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:11,553 but that's the price you pay when you're on the other side. 1282 00:54:14,637 --> 00:54:17,762 The Bowen Homes thing was the landmark 1283 00:54:17,845 --> 00:54:20,428 in this struggle, because... 1284 00:54:20,511 --> 00:54:22,386 it really showed the divide 1285 00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:24,219 between the community 1286 00:54:24,303 --> 00:54:26,136 and the political leadership, 1287 00:54:26,219 --> 00:54:27,595 the elected political leadership. 1288 00:54:27,678 --> 00:54:29,428 The blood of those babies 1289 00:54:29,511 --> 00:54:31,261 are on the hands of this system 1290 00:54:31,345 --> 00:54:33,094 that forces us to live like dogs. 1291 00:54:38,345 --> 00:54:40,637 I don't know exactly what happened at Bowen Homes. 1292 00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:42,094 They said a boiler blew up, 1293 00:54:42,178 --> 00:54:44,094 but Bowen Homes and the explosion 1294 00:54:44,178 --> 00:54:46,553 at the daycare center there really acted as a catalyst 1295 00:54:46,637 --> 00:54:50,136 because all of a sudden, it brought together 1296 00:54:50,219 --> 00:54:51,739 the message of the child murders being, 1297 00:54:51,803 --> 00:54:52,928 "you are powerless." 1298 00:54:53,011 --> 00:54:54,303 Who runs the Klan? 1299 00:54:54,386 --> 00:54:56,762 It's those rich dogs that wanna... 1300 00:54:59,553 --> 00:55:02,428 It is, "you are powerless when these young people 1301 00:55:02,511 --> 00:55:05,261 "are being abducted one by one and taken out, 1302 00:55:05,345 --> 00:55:07,136 "and now, look, we can just come in 1303 00:55:07,219 --> 00:55:08,678 and blow up your babies." 1304 00:55:08,762 --> 00:55:11,136 Darn right, I'm emotional! That's right. 1305 00:55:11,219 --> 00:55:12,969 When the Bowen Homes thing happened, 1306 00:55:13,053 --> 00:55:14,428 that's the closest it got to, 1307 00:55:14,511 --> 00:55:16,178 "Okay, now this is gonna get bad." 1308 00:55:16,261 --> 00:55:19,845 City too busy to hate? 1309 00:55:19,928 --> 00:55:21,386 It's a slogan. 1310 00:56:03,762 --> 00:56:04,678 KEISHA LANCE BOTTOMS: The number is staggering. 1311 00:56:04,762 --> 00:56:05,762 Thirty murders? 1312 00:56:05,928 --> 00:56:07,404 We don't know if there was something else 1313 00:56:07,428 --> 00:56:09,720 that we still haven't pieced together. 1314 00:56:10,428 --> 00:56:13,219 Somebody knows who's doing this series 1315 00:56:13,303 --> 00:56:14,386 of attacks on our children. 1316 00:56:14,803 --> 00:56:18,428 He was the connection between all of these victims. 1317 00:56:18,969 --> 00:56:21,928 Did Wayne Williams kill any of these children? 1318 00:56:22,011 --> 00:56:23,345 No. 1319 00:56:23,678 --> 00:56:24,720 After 40 years, 1320 00:56:24,803 --> 00:56:26,553 we're still searching for answers. 97070

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