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THIS TIME I'M PLAYING LIKE A CRIMINAL.

IF YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT US TALKING, YOU'RE A DEAD MAN.

THERE ARE SMALL WINDOWS OF OPPORTUNITY IN THIS GAME, AND IF

YOU MISS THEM, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WIN.

I SWORE TO MYSELF I'M GONNA MAKE BIG MOVES.

DON'T YOU THINK TO BE IN WITH THE ENEMY COULD BE A GOOD THING?

I MADE MOVES THAT OTHER PEOPLE WERE SCARED TO MAKE.

I WILL GIVE YOU MY ADVANTAGE.

I MADE MOVES THAT I WAS SCARED TO MAKE.

YOU KNOW WHAT, JEFF?

I'M GOING TO USE MY ADVANTAGE.

AND IT WORKED.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) >> Jeff: WELCOME TO THE

"SURVIVOR" LIVE REUNION "GAME CHANGER" SEASON WHERE SARAH HAS

JUST WON $1 MILLION.

CONGRATULATIONS ON A REALLY NICELY PLAYED GAME.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) HEY, BEFORE WE GET INTO YOU,

GLENN, GIVE ME A BIG SHOT OF EVERYBODY.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL YOU GUYS BECAUSE THIS REALLY

WAS A GREAT SEASON, AND TO GIVE UP WHAT YOU GIVE UP AND TO DO

WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO WITH YOUR FAMILIES AND YOUR JOBS AND YOUR

LIVELIHOODS AND TO COME OUT HERE AND PLAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IT WAS REALLY FUN.

( APPLAUSE ) ALL RIGHT, SO, SARAH, I THINK

ONE OF THE BIGGEST, REALLY BIGGEST GAME-CHANGING MOVES OF

THE ACCEPT FOR YOU WAS YOUR VERY SIMPLE-- YOUR SWITCH OF

PHILOSOPHY FROM COP TO CRIMINAL.

AND WHAT I THOUGHT WAS REALLY INTERESTING IS YOU ENDED UP

PLAYING A LOT LIKE YOUR FORMER ADVERSARY, TONY.

DID YOU FIND SOME TRUTH IN THAT?

>> RIGHT, SO, IN CAGYAN, WE SAW HOW THAT WORKED OUT FOR ME AND

HOW IT WORKED OUT FOR TONY.

I HAD A FRONT-ROW SEAT TO WATCH TONY PLAY SO MASTERFULLY.

AND HE WAS SO SUCCESSFUL AT IT --

>> WAS HE REALLY A MENTOR IN THAT SENSE?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

AND WHAT PEOPLE DON'T GET ABOUT TONY IS THE GUY CALLED ME AT

5:30 IN THE MORNING EVERY MORNING PREPPING ME FOR THE

SHOW, BUT HE WAS, LIKE, TRYING TO PREP HIMSELF.

AND HE'S LIKE, "GET UP, YOU BUM."

I'M LIKE,"IT'S 5:30, DUDE."

HE'S LIKE, "YO, SARA, WE'VE GOT TO TALK."

>> Jeff: SO HE WAS TRYING TO HELP YOU.

>> YEAH.

>> Jeff: I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

>> SURE.

>> Jeff: YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT CONTINUES TO BAFFLE ME THAT

SURVIVOR IS A GAME BY DEFINITION OUTWIT, OUTPLAY, OUTLAST.

AS TAI SAID, IT'S ABOUT DECEIVING.

HOW DO YOU DO THE SLEIGHT OF HAND WITH EMOTIONAL AND SOCIAL

POLITICS.

AND YOU SAID I HAD TO GET PERMISSION FROM MY FRIENDS.

WHY IS THAT SO IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW THEIR FRIENDS

WILL KNOW UNEMPLOYMENT I'M NOT THIS PERSON.

>> SO NOBODY WANTS TO GO OUT AND MAKE THEIR FAMILY, THEIR

FRIENDS, THER PROFESSION LOOK BAD, SO THE FIRST TIME I PLAYED,

THAT WEIGHED HEAVILY ON ME.

IN ORDER TO COME OUT AND BE SUCCESSFUL, I HAD TO LET THAT

GO.

I WAS GIVEN THE RIGHT OF WAY BY EVERYBODY, AND I JUST CAME OUT

GUNS A-BLATION BECAUSE THE GATES WERE OPEN FOR ME TO DO WHATEVER

I HAD TO DO.

>> Jeff: KNOWING THEY WOULD LOVE YOU.

>> KNOWING THEY KNOW WHO I AM.

AND IN FACT, THEY KIND OF BEAT ME DOWN FOR NOT BEING MORE LIKE

THAT THE FIRST TIME.

SO YEAH.

IT WAS REALLY NICE TO HAVE THEIR BLESSING TO COME OUT AND PLAY

THIS WAY.

EVEN THOUGH I HURT A LOT OF PEOPLE OOP.

IT'S NOT EASY TO WATCH BACK.

I'M VERY PROUD OF THE GAME I PLAYED.

I'M NOT PROUD OF HOW I TREATED PEOPLE.

>> Jeff: WELL, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER DISCUSSION.

>> RIGHT.

>> Jeff: THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS "SURVIVOR" SHOWS IS YOU

HAVE TO OWN IT BECAUSE THE JURY WILL HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE.

CULPEPPER, IT COMES DOWN TO ONE BIG DECISION.

I WAS WATCHING WITH FRIENDS BACKSTAGE AND THEY WERE RIVETTED

WITH THE DECISION BEING MADE AMONG THE FOUR OF YOU, WHO IS

GOING TO GO TO THE JURY-- IN THIS CASE TAI-- AND WHO IS GOING

TO GO TO THE FINAL THREE.

YOU SAID AS YOU'RE VOTING TAI OUT, AND YOU SAID IN THE SHOW,

"I FEEL LIKE I CAN BEAT ANYBODY."

SO I JUST WANT TO WALK THROUGH THAT.

HERE ARE THE VOTES.

GLENN, SHOW THE VOTES OF THE TRIBAL.

WE DON'T NORMALLY DO THIS.

LET'S SEE WHO EVERYBODY VOTED FOR.

BECAUSE WHAT I'M WONDERING IS, DID YOU MISCALCULATE?

>> CLEARLY ( LAUGHTER ).

>> Jeff: BUT, NO, SPECIFICALLY DYOU MISCALCULATE THE BITTERNESS

THAT YOU THOUGHT THE JURY MIGHT HAVE TOWARD WHAT SARAH JUST

SAID, WHICH IS HURTING THEIR FEELINGS.

>> I DID.

BUT FIRST, CLEARLY LET ME SAY THIS.

I CLEARLY NEEDED A SNICKERS OUT HERE, I LOVE THIS GUY RIGHT

HERE, AND I HATED WATCHING THAT, BEING THE BULLY.

TAI, I LOVE YOU.

AND WE HAD A COMPLICATED RELATIONSHIP.

( APPLAUSE ) TAI, WE WERE TOGETHER.

I WAS FRUSTRATED.

AND IT CAME ACROSS TERRIBLE.

AND I APOLOGIZE.

THAT IS AWFUL.

>> OH, NO YOU DON'T NEED TO APOLOGIZE.

IT'S A GAME.

YOU'VE BEEN A GREAT GUY.

>> I LOVE YOU.

>> Jeff: CULPEPPER.

NO, NO, NO.

THIS IS PERFECT.

LET'S FORGET WHAT I JUST ASKED.

>> OKAY.

>> Jeff: BECAUSE, STAY WITH WITH ME.

STAY WITH ME.

THAT EMOTION THAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT "I WAS SO

FRUSTRATED WITH TAI.

OF.

>> YEAH, I WAS.

>> Jeff: HAD AN IMPACT IN YOU VOTING TAI OUT, RIGHT?

>> YES.

>> Jeff: SO NOW YOU MISCALCULATED WITH SARA,

CLEARLY.

SHE WON, RIGHT?

>> YES, YES.

>> Jeff: LET'S SEE WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED.

LET'S PLAY A PRETEND GAME.

>> I DON'T LIKE THAT GAME.

>> Jeff: BUT I LOVE IT.

>> YOU KNOW WHAT, WHEN YOU'RE OUT THERE --

>> I WANT TO PLAY THIS GAME.

CULPEPPER, COME OIT'S FUN.

YOU LIKE GAMES.

BUT WHAT?

>> THE FEELING YOU HAVE OUT THERE, EVEN THE PERCEPTION OF

THE JURY OUT THERE, IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN IT WOULD BE NOW.

>> Jeff: I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I TRUST THE JURY TO BE HONEST WITH ME.

JUST GO WITH ME.

THIS IS WHAT IT'S LIKE AT TRIBAL WITH ANY CULPEPPER.

MONICA OR BRAD.

( LAUGHTER ) OKAY, SO, SARAH, YOU'RE ON THE

JURY.

TAI, YOU'RE IN THE FINAL THREE.

OF THE PEOPLE-- >> NO, I'M FOUR.

>> YOU'RE FINAL.

>> Jeff: COME ON, GUYS.

>> IF I HAD CUT YOU LIKE, THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE VOTE FORWARD

ME.

>> Jeff: CULPEPPER, WILL YOU JUST STOP FOR A SECOND!

( LAUGHTER ) SO EVERYBODY THAT'S IN THE JURY,

INCLUDING SARA, BUT NOT YOU, TAI, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOW IN THE

FINAL THREE.

WHO WOULD HAVE VOTE FORWARD BRAD?

HOW MANY PEOPLE.

OKAY.

YOU'RE NOT IN THE JURY, TROYZAN!

HOLD YOUR HANDS UP!

HALI, DEBBIE, ZEKE, SIERRA, ANDREA.

SO THAT'S FIVE VOTES.

THE OTHER FIVE WOULD YOU HAVE VOTED FOR SARAH-- I MEAN TAI?

>> YEAH, I THINK SO.

>> Jeff: OKAY, SO FIVE-- OKAY, SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE NEVER

TALKED ABOUT, AND IT'S A PERFECT TIME.

EVERYBODY ASKS, WHAT, WOULD DO YOU IN THE CASE OF A TIE AT

FINAL TRIBAL?

WE WOULD HAVE HAD ONE HAD YOU SAID "YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M GOING

TO KEEP TAI AND GET RID OF SARAH."

WE WOULD HAVE HAD HAD A TIE, 5-5.

THIS IS THE RULE.

HS WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN A FUTURE SEASON.

THE PERSON WHO WAS NOT IN THE TIE.

WE HAVE BRAD WITH FIVE, TAI WITH FIVE.

TROYZAN, YOU GO TO THE JURY AND DECIDE THE FINAL VOTE.

>> WOW!

>> Jeff: SO, TROYZAN, IN THIS CASE--

( APPLAUSE ) ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

TROYZAN, IN THIS CASE, HONESTLY, BACK THEN, NOT WATCHING THE

SHOW, WHEN YOU WERE IN THAT MOMENT, WHO WOULD YOU HAVE VOTED

FOR?

>> TAI, SAY IT.

>> IF IT WAS TAI OR BRAD?

BRAD.

BRAD.

>> Jeff: SO, CULPEPPER, I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE-- AND YOU

GUYS ARE-- ARE MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO MAKE THIS POINT.

( LAUGHTER ) BUT I BELIEVE THE JURY'S TELLING

THE TRUTH.

AND THE REASON I'M BRINGING IT UP IS IT SHOWS HOW HARD THIS

GAME IS.

YOU ACTUALLY DID PLAY A GAME GOOD ENOUGH TO WIN.

AND ONE DECISION WILL HAUNT YOU.

YOU MADE ONE WRONG DECISION.

>> OH, NO.

>> Jeff: IT WILL HAUNT YOU BECAUSE I WILL BE STAYING TO YOU

ALL THE TIME.

ANYWAY, THAT'S HOW TOUGH THIS GAME IS.

( APPLAUSE ) LET IT GO.

I'M MOVING ON.

AND IT'S NOT LOST ON ME, SARAH, THAT THE-- THE-- NO, THAT THE

NUANCED WAY IN WHICH YOU MANEUVERED THAT KNOWING WHAT

NEEDED TO HAPPEN SHOWS YOUR SOCIAL PLAY AT WORK.

BRILLIANT.

TAI, WHY IS THIS GAME SO HARD FOR YOU EMOTIONALLY?

WHAT IS IT?

>> OH, MY GOD.

I THINK IT'S JUST IN MY NATURE.

IT'S SO HARD STORY ME TO-- IT'S EASY TO BE NICE AND KIND AND

TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE.

BRAD DOES A LOT AT CAMP.

HE CARES FOR THE CAMP AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

IT'S JUST, I DON'T KNOW, I GO INTO THIS GAME.

I SAY IT'S EYE GAME.

SOMEHOW OUT-- I ALWAYS GET WHAT I WANT OUTSIDE OF THE GAME, I

SLOWLY CAN MANIPULATE PEOPLE TO GET WHAT I WANT.

SOMEHOW, IN SOME GAME, IT JUST SEEMS BIGGER-- I JUST --

>> BUT WHY IS IT EMOTIONAL?

TO SARAH'S QUESTION, WHY DO YOU NEED TO ALWAYS BE KIND AND NICE?

IF YOUR FRIENDS GAVE YOU PERMISSION TO LIE, WOULD YOU BE

ABLE TO?

>> I GIVE MYSELF PERMISSION TO LIE.

ON THE SHOW ITSELF, IT'S NOTABLY TO DO IT.

I GO TO MY HEART INSTANTLY.

THERE ARE SO MANY CHANCES I FEEL I SHOULD BE PLAYING THE IDOL AND

I DON'T.

I KNOW I FEEL COMFORTABLE IN THE GAME.

I KNOW HOW THE GAME IS GOING.

AND SMOWRK I DON'T KNOW.

IT IS JUST REALLY HARD-- IT'S JUST NOT IN MY NATURE.

AND I HOPE I GROW FROM IT.

IF YOU EVER WANT ME BACK -- >> I LOVE HEARING THAT.

CIRIE, I HAVE TO GO DOWN TO YOU.

WE SAW THE RECEPTION YOU RECEIVED EARLIER.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) CIRIE, SO, I THINK THIS IS A

QUESTION I SINCERELY AM INTERESTED IN.

WHAT DO YOU THINK IT IS?

LIKE, I WOULD ALWAYS SAY ABOUT YOU,"WELL, SHE'S THE WOMAN WHO

GOT UP OFF THE COACH," WHICH MEANT TO ME, YOU'RE THE WOMAN

WHO THOUGHT, "COULD I DO THAT?" WHAT DO YOU THINK IT IS ABOUT

YOU?

WHAT DO YOU REPRESENT?

>> YOU KNOW, JEFF, I THINK THAT BECAUSE I HAVE, LIKE-- OR I HAVE

HAD SO MANY INSECURITIES ABOUT MYSELF-- I'M MY HARDEST CRITIC.

AND I DON'T COME IN TO ANY SITUATION JUDGING ANYONE BECAUSE

WHO AM I TO JUDGE ANYONE?

AND I THINK BECAUSE I AM NOT UP HERE LIKE A BIG ATHLETE AND I'M

NOT, LIKE, A CRAZY CHALLENGE BEAST, I'M MORE LIKE EVERYBODY

ELSE AT HOME.

SO I'M EASY TO RELATE TO.

I'M NOT THREATENING TO ANYONE.

WHAT AM I GOING TO DO, JEFF?

>> Jeff: SO YOU'RE ARGUINGURE YOU'RE THE EVERY PERSON IN THAT

SENSE?

LET'S BOIL IT DOWN TO ITS ESSENCE.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN WATCHING LIKE YOU FOR YEARS AND

YEARS DEBATING, I SHOULD DO IT.

>> THEY SHOULD ABSOLUTELY DO IT, JEFF.

DO YOU REMEMBER THE LAST TIME YOU ASKED ME THAT 12IERS YEARS

AGO.

I SAID STAY ON THE COUCH.

GET OFF THE COUCH AND GO OUT AND DO IT.

>> Jeff: WHAT DOES IT MAKE TAKE?

WHAT IS THE IBGREEDIENT FOR A GOOD PLAYER?

JUST PHILOSOPHICALLY.

>> YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT WITH PEOPLE ON A GENERAL

PERSON-TO-PERSON LEVEL.

YOU HAVE TO LISTEN AND HEAR WHAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY.

YOU HAVE TO LEARN ABOUT THEIR FAMILIES.

YOU HAVE TO LEARN ABOUT THEIR FEARS.

YOU HAVE TO LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT THESE PEOPLE TO RELATE TO

THEM.

IF YOU CAN'T ISRAEL TO THEM, IT'S LIKE TALKING TO A BRICK

WALL.

YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO GET THEIR VOTE.

>> Jeff: ALL RIGHT, WELL, WE HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT

TONIGHT, INCLUDING ONE OF THE BIGGEST MOMENTS IN ANY SEASON OF

"SURVIVOR."

IT MADE NEWS AROUND THE WORLD.

PEOPLE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT.

I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY IT WAS A CULTURAL MILESTONE WHEN ZEKE

WAS OUTED AS BEING TRANSGENDER.

>> WHY HAVEN'T YOU TOLD ANYONE YOU'RE TRANSGENDER?

>> Jeff: ZEKE, AND JEFF VARNER ARE NEXT.

( APPLAUSE )

I DIDN'T WANNA BE LIKE THE TRANS "SURVIVOR" PLAYER.

I WANTED TO BE ZEKE THE "SURVIVOR" PLAYER.

>> AND YOU ARE.

>> I FEEL LIKE I AM.

>> YOU ARE.

.

( APPLAUSE ) >> Jeff: WELL, IT WAS ONE OF

THE BIGGEST GAME-CHANGING MOVES OF ALL TIME ON ANY SHOW ANYWHERE

AND IT BECAME A WORLDWIDE CULTURAL MOMENT.

IT STARTED SO MANY CONVERSATIONS.

IT BROUGHT AWARENESS TO WHAT IT IS TO BE TRANSGENDER.

I'M STILL HEARING FROM FAMILIES WHO SAID IT GAVE THEM AN

OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THEIR KIDS ABOUT IT.

AND EVERY SINGLE PERSON AGREES ON ONE THING AND THAT IS HOW

AMAZING ZEKE WAS IN THE MOMENT.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) ZEKE, I KNOW-- I KNOW THIS

ISN'T-- EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE BEING CELEBRATED, IT'S NOT SOMETHING

YOU CELEBRATE.

BUT TAKE US BACK TO THAT MOMENT JUST IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS

HAPPENING FOR YOU EMOTIONALLY AS IT WAS UNFOLDING.

>> RIGHT, WELL I WAS REALLY SCARED.

BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN TO MY WORLD.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE REACTION WAS GOING TO BE.

AND YOU'RE GROWING UP IN OKLAHOMA, I DIDN'T ALWAYS HAVE A

LOT OF FRIENDS.

AND EVEN THROUGHOUT MY LIVES, PEOPLE HAVEN'T ALWAYS STUCK BY

MY SIDE THROUGH THE HARD TIMES.

BUT WHAT THIS EXPERIENCE HAS SHOWN ME IS I HAVE SO MUCH LOVE

IN MY LIFE.

( APPLAUSE ) MY FRIENDS ARE HERE TONIGHT, AND

THEY WERE WITH ME THAT NIGHT.

AND MY FRIENDS ARE A BIG PART OF MY FAMILY, AND I DID NOT GET

THROUGH THIS WITHOUT THEM.

>> Jeff: SO YOU WATCHED WITH THEM AT HOME.

>> YEAH, I DID.

AND I NEVER FELT AS LOVED AS I DO RIGHT NOW.

>> Jeff: YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MOST CHALLENGING MOMENTS FOR ME

WAS TELLING PEOPLE THAT THE METAMORPHOSIS MOMENT WASN'T

SCRIPTED.

THIS IS AN UNSCRIPTED SHOW.

BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH AN AMAZING MOMENT FOR YOU TO GRAB THAT WORD

AND PULL IT INTO THE CONVERSATION.

SO WHAT, IN TERMS OF METAMORPHOSIS, WHAT HAS THIS

EXPERIENCE-- WHERE ARE YOU NOW WITH IT?

>> YEAH, WELL, I.

>> -- SO.

WHEN I TRANSITIONED, I WAS HIT WITH A PRETTY BIG BOWPT OF

DEPRESSION, LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE.

AND I-- I ALMOST FAILED OUT OF HARVARD.

I WAS LIVING AT HOME.

I WAS ALONE.

I WAS PRETTY HOPELESS.

ASK & I STARTED WATCHING "SURVIVOR."

AND I BINGED 20 SEASONS.

IT & IT TOOK ME AWAY.

I GOT TO GO ON ADVENTURES WITH OZZY AND CIRIE AND SANDRA.

AND IT GOT ME THROUGH.

AND SLOWLY I PUT MY LIFE BACK TOGETHER.

BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING MISSING, A COURAGE AND BOLDNESS.

AND SOMETHING INSIDE OF ME KNEW I HAD TO GO PLAY "SURVIVOR."

AND I FOUND THAT BOLDNESS IN FIJI, I FOUND IT ON THE BEACHES.

AND IN SO MANY WAYS "SURVIVOR" HAS GIVEN ME MY LIFE BACK.

>> Jeff: SARA, AT LEAST FOR ME, WHEN I WAS WATCHING IT, THE

OTHER NECESSARY HALF OF THE EQUATION FOR CHANGE TO HAPPEN IS

WHAT YOU SAID WHICH IS, "HERE I AM, SOMEBODY TRISTATE MIDWEST,

NOT EXPOSED TO THIS, ANDS I SEE YOU AS ZEKE, AND I LOVE YOU AS

ZEKE."

WHAT WAS THE REACTION TO YOUR FRIENDS WHEN THEY SAW HOW YOU

HAD HANDLED IT?

>> SO I WAS A LITTLE NERVOUS HOW MY STATE WOULD REACT TO IT.

AND EVERYBODY'S BEEN SO POSITIVE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO MY DAD ABOUT IT, BEFORE THE SHOW

HAPPENED.

AND HE WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M SO PROUD OF THE WAY THAT YOU

HANDLED IT."

AND THEN MY GRSMS THE ONE THAT I WAS REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT.

AND WHEN WE GOT OUT HERE, WELL, FIRST OF ALL,.

>> WHEN VOTED ZEKE OUT, SHE SCOLDED ME FOR IT.

SHE SAYS, "HE GAVE YOU HIS JACKET!"

AND I'M LIKE, "I KNOW, BUT" -- >> SO THEY WERE ACCEPTING.

>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

AND WHEN SHE GOT OUT HERE, HE WAS THE ONE PERSON SHE WANTED TO

MEET AND SHE GOT TO MEET HIM YESTERDAY.

>> Jeff: OH, GOOD.

OH, NICE.

WELL, ZEKE, SINCE THEN.

MAN YOUR WORLD-- YOU HAVE BEEN WRITING-- ONE THING YOU HAVE

BEEN WRITING A LOT FOR THE "HOLLYWOOD REPORTER."

>> YES, I LOVE TO WRITE.

THERE'S A GREAT TEAM AT THE "HOLLYWOOD REPORTER."

IT'S BEEN INCREDIBLE AND I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR THE PLATFORM

THEY'VE GIVEN ME.

>> Jeff: AND YOU'RE WORKING WITH ANOTHER PLATFORM, GLAD.

>> YES, I PARTNERED WITH GLAD, PARTICULARLY NICK ADAMS OF THE

DIRECTOR OF THE TRANSGENDER MEDIA PROGRAM.

AT THE CORE OF GLAD'S PHILOSOPHY IS AUTHENTIC L.G.B.T.Q.

REPRESENTATION ACCELERATES ACCEPTANCE AND SAVES LIVES AND

THAT'S WHY I'M SO PROUD TO BE PART OF "SURVIVOR" AND CBS

BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALWAYS EMPOWERED ME TO SPEAK

AUTHENTICALLY AND TO TELL MY STORY ON MY OWN TERMS.

AND I FEEL LIKURE PARTNERSHIP IS THE MODEL FOR HOW TRANS STORIES

SHOULD BE APPROACHED IN WANT MEDIA GOING FORWARD.

>> Jeff: VERY COOL.

THANK YOU.

YOU KNOW, I LOVED THAT-- BECAUSE I FEEL A LITTLE BIT FOR YOU THAT

THERE'S THIS PRESSURE OF EXPECTATION WHICH I KNOW YOU'RE

TAKING CARE OF AND YOU'RE DOING YOUR PART.

BUT I AM GLAD TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE ALSO USING THIS-- BECAUSE

YOU'RE A GREAT STORYTELLER.

YOU'RE COMPELLING-- THAT'S WHY WE PUT YOU ON THE SHOW.

SO I'M GLAD YOU ARE GIVING YOURSELF PERMISSION TO PURSUE

YOUR OWN PERSONAL DREAMS AND NOT FEEL LIMITED TO HAVING TO TALK

ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME.

SO IF THIS IS A PERFECT WORLD, BEFORE WE GET TO JEFF, IN A

PERFECT WORLD, WHAT COMES FROM THIS?

>> WELL, I THINK FOR ME, I FELT THAT I WAS SOMEHOW LIMITED

BECAUSE I WAS TRANS.

THAT THERE WERE THINGS THEY COULDN'T DO.

AND I DON'T BE THAT ANYMORE.

SO THAT SHATTERED THAT FOR ME.

THERE WERE DREAMS THEY BURIED THAT I THINK ARE ALIVE AGAIN.

AND I ALSO DON'T WANT ANY YOUNG TRANS PERSON TO BELIEVE THEY ARE

IN ANY WAY LIMITED.

AND IN THE MEANTIME, THE JOURNEY MIGHT BE HARDER, BUT THE

ADVENTURE IS SO WORTH TAKING.

>> Jeff: AWESOME, GREAT, I LOVE THAT.

SO THE OTHER PERSON IN THIS CULTURAL MOMENT WAS JEFF VARNER,

WHO TOOK A LOT OF HEAT, DESERVEDLY SO.

BUT SINCE THE EPISODE, JEFF, YOU HAVE BEEN REALLY PUBLIC IN

OWNING YOUR MISTAKE.

YOU MADE A POST ON YOUR FACEBOOK PAGE, I THINK WHERE YOU TALKED

ABOUT IT.

WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE REACTION WAS THAT NIGHT.

I'M CURIOUS, WHAT HAS THE REACTION MEANT TO YOU SINCE

PEOPLE HAVE SEEN YOU SAYING, "I AM SORRY.

I SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT."

HOW ARE THEY RECEIVING YOU?

>> WELL, THIS HAS BEEN A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION FOR BOTH OF

US, AND I DON'T EVER WANT TO TALK ABOUT MY JOURNEY WITHOUT

ACKNOWLEDGING THE IN FACT THAT THE REAL JOURNEY IN THIS

SITUATION HAS BEEN FOR ZEKE.

THIS HAS BEEN VERY DIFFICULT.

I GOT HIT HARD.

WE KNEE WE WOULD.

YOU TOLD ME I WOULD, "PREPARE YOURSELF" AND IT WAS REALLY UGLY

FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.

AND THEN IT CHANGED.

AND I WAS TOLD THE WAY THEY REACTED AND THE WAY I HANDLED

IT-- I'VE ALWAYS BEEN TAUGHT TO STAND UP AND ADMIT YOUR MISTAKES

AND OWN THEM AND TURN THEM INTO SOMETHING POSITIVE, AND I DID

THAT EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

AND-- ( APPLAUSE )

I'VE HEARD THAT FROM EVERYBODY.

AND I'M -- >> SO WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THAT?

>> AS MUCH AS HE IS HAPPY ABOUT THE LOVE IN HIS LIFE, I AM

THRILLED WITH THE SUPPORT IN MINE, AND IT WILL ULTIMATELY BE

A GOOD THING.

I GOT FIRED, COWARDLY.

BUT KELLER WILLIAMS, THE NUMBER ONE REAL ESTATE AGENCY IN THE

COUNTRY HIRED ME AND I'M SO PROUD OF THEM.

BUSINESS HAS BEEN GREAT.

>> I LOVE THAT, JEFF, WELL HANDLED.

>> Jeff: WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IT WAS-- IT WAS VERY HARD TRANSITION TO MAKE THIS ONE

BECAUSE THAT WAS POWERFUL AND AMAZING.

THIS WAS TINY BUT INTERESTING.

IT WAS A LITTLE MOMENT.

YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN IT IN LAST WEEK'S EPISODE.

TAKE A LOOK.

>> THIS IS A "SURVIVOR" CLASSIC, LAST WON BY COCHRAN.

SET A RECORD.

17 MINUTES.

>> MY BOYFRIEND.

>> Jeff: GOT A LITTLE CRUSH.

THIS COULD BE THE BEGINNING OF A LITTLE "SURVIVOR" LOVE AFFAIR.

BREAK THIS RECORD, YOU MIGHT WIN HIS HEART.

COULD WE HAVE A NEW "SURVIVOR" COUPLE?

PLUS, SHE RUBBED A LOT OF PEOPLE THE WRONG WAY, MICHAELA DID.

SHOULD SHE IMMATURE OR JUST MISUNDERSTOOD.

SHE'S ONE OF MY FAVORITES, MICHAELA.

NEXT.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

I'LL CIRCLE BACK.

( APPLAUSE ) >> Jeff: WELCOME BACK TO THE

"SURVIVOR" LIVE REUNION SHOW FOR "GAME CHANGERS."

AUBRY, THIS ISN'T A BIG THING BUT YOU BROUGHT IT UP.

I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING.

YOU WERE TWEETING ABOUT COCHRAN.

AND I KNOW YOU HAVE A BOYFRIEND, BUT IS THIS-- WHAT IS THIS, A TV

CRUSH?

WHAT IS THIS?

>> I WAS CRESTFALLEN WHEN DEBBIE GOES AND STEALS MY MINE, BUT

EVERYONE HAS A CRUSH ON COCHRAN.

LIKE, WHO DOESN'T?

YOU DO.

>> Jeff: I HAVE A COCHRAN CRUSH.

THAT'S TRUE.

FAIR ENOUGH.

WHERE'S SANDRA.

SANDRA.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) THIS GAME, IT SEEMS SO EASY FOR

YOU.

IT'S REALLY JUST A SIMPLE QUESTION-- IS IT AS EASY AS IT

APPEARS?

>> IT'S A JOB TO ME.

I HAVE 39 DAYS TO GO GET MY MILLION DOLLARS, AND I'LL DO

WHATEVER TO WHOEVER TO GET TO THE END.

THAT'S MY JOB.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) >> Jeff: MICHAELA, WHAT

ADVICE-- I WATCHED YOU PLAY TWICE.

I LOVE YOU.

I KNOW HOW CARING AND EMPOWERING ARE YOU ABOUT-- ALL THESE THINGS

THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE GOING, "MICHAELA?

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MICHAELA?" WATCHING YOURSELF NOW BACK TO

BACK, WHAT ADVICE DO YOU GIVE TO MICHAELA?

>> MY ADVICE TO ME IS RECOGNIZE THAT THE OUTPLAY PART OF THE

GAME IS NOT JUST A PHYSICAL THING.

IT'S ABOUT RESPONDING TO THE SITUATION YOU'RE PUT IN, IN THIS

GAME, AND LEARNING HOW TO DO IT WITH GRACE, WITH STYLE, WITH

FINESSE, WHEN YOU NEED TO, AND IN YOUR FACE WHEN YOU NEED TO,

BUT WITHOUT ISOLATING YOURSELF.

>> Jeff: DID YOU FIND THAT MILLION DOLLAR-- YOU WERE SO

BLINDED BY RAGE, LITERALLY, AS A METAPHOR, YOU DIDN'T SEE A

MILLION-DOLLAR OPPORTUNITY.

>> I'M CHECKING THE STUMP RIGHT NOW.

( LAUGHTER ) >> Jeff: SIERRA, QUESTION-- I

GOT THIS QUESTION A LOT.

I HAVE TWO QUICK QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

>> OKAY.

>> Jeff: WE'RE LIEFG, WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.

BUT WHY-- LIKE, YOU TELL SARAH, "I HAVE A LEGACY ADVANTAGE."

AND EVERYBODY GOES, "WHY DID YOU TELL HER!"

WHY DO YOU GUYS FEEL THE NEED AT TIMES TO SHARE THE MOST

IMPORTANT THING IN THE GAME, INFORMATION?

>> RIGHT.

I AT THAT POINT MADE THE BIGGEST MISTAKE YOU COULD MAKE IN

"SURVIVOR" WITH MY HEART.

I WAS SITTING WITH HER.

I WAS BEING HONEST WITH HER.

I WAS BEING VULNERABLE WITH HER.

I HAD JUST SEEN MY FATHER, AND I WAS IN A WEIRD PLACE AND THOUGHT

I COULD BE HONEST WITH SOMEBODY WAS ALIGNED WITH.

>> Jeff: IT'S ULTIMATELY TRUST.

>> I TRUST HER 100%.

>> Jeff: MALCOLM, WHEN YOU COME OUT AND DO EVERYTHING YOU

HAVE TO DO TO GET INTO THIS GAME AND YOU'RE BLINDSIDED IN A CRAZY

TRIBAL, HONESTLY, HOW HARD IS IT TO RECOVER FROM THAT?

>> YOU CRY FOR A FEW DAYS.

NO, WE'VE ALL DONE THIS BEFORE.

WE KNOW HOW UNPREDICTABLE IT CAN BE.

ALL THE WINNERS ARE SITTING IN THE BACK ROW THIS SEASON.

BUT THAT'S PART REASON WHY WE LOVE PLAYING IT.

IT'S THAT MUCH FUN.

IT'S WHY MILLIONS OF PEOPLE LOVE WATCHING IT.

AND THAT'S WHY 17 YEARS LATER IT'S STILL THE GREATEST THING ON

TELEVISION.

>> Jeff: OZZY, AS WE GO TO BREAK, YOU SEEMED TO REALLY BE A

GREAT SPOKESPERSON IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU GUYS LIKE THE

NEW TRIBAL FORMAT, THE Q & A.

>> YOU KNOW WHAT?

I THINK SURVIVOR IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL MICROCOSIM FOR THE

WORLD.

AND WE ALL COME TOGETHER.

AND THE GAME-CHANGING THEME FOR THE TRIBAL COUNCIL, TO HAVE THIS

OPEN FORUM, TO BRING US TOGETHER, TO REALLY EXPRESS

THESE IDEAS THAT'S CORRECT DIFFERENT IDEAS AND BRING OUR

DIFFERENT WALKS OF LIFE.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL MICROCOSM, AND I THINK IT'S REALLY AMAZING THAT

IT ALLOWED US TO ACTUALLY CHOOSE THE RIGHT PERSON THAT WON,

SARAH.

AND IT'S A MICROCOSM FOR THE REST OF WORLD THAT WE ALL NEED

TO UNITE AS A PEOPLE TO CHANGE THE WAY THE UNITED STATES IS

GOING.

AND WE NEED TO MAKE BETTER DECISIONS ON HOW THE UNITED

STATES IS RUN.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

>> Jeff: ALL RIGHT!

WELL OTHAT NOTE!

AS ONE SEASON ENDS, THERE'S ONLY ONE QUESTION TO ASK, "WHAT'S

NEXT?" WE'LL SHOW YOU, BE RIGHT BACK.

♪ ♪ ♪ FOR OUR 35th SEASON,

"SURVIVOR" RETURNS TO ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PLACES ON EARTH,

FIJI.

AND FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, WE'LL DIVIDE THE TRIBES BASED ON

THE POSITIVE TRAITS MOST OFTEN ASSOCIATED WITH THEM BY OTHERS.

HEROES.

THEY ARE HERALDED FOR THEIR COURAGE, THEIR ACHIEVEMENTS AND

IDEALS FOR WHICH THEY STAND.

>> TO BE A MARINE IS HONOR, COURAGE, AND COMMITMENT.

YOUR JOB IS TO SERVE THE COUNTRY AND PROTECT THE COUNTRY.

YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR PRAISE FOR WHAT YOU DONE AND WHO ARE

YOU.

YOU'RE JUST DOING YOUR JOB.

>> BEING A LIFE GUARD, WHEN YOU RUN IN THE WATER TO SAVE

SOMEONE'S LIFE, YOUR ADRENALINE IS GOING, YOUR HEART IS PUMPING.

BUT OUT HERE HERE IT'S EITHER SINK, SWIM, OR GET OUT OF THE

OCEAN.

FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE I'M GOING TO LET PEOPLE SINK.

>> Jeff: HEALERS, THEY RECEIVE GRAT FEUD TOOUD FOR THEIR ACTS

OF SERVICE AND HELPING PEOPLE HEAL THEIR EMOTIONAL AND

PHYSICAL PAIN.

>> I'M A SURGEON THAT DEALS WITH A STRESSFUL SITUATION ON A DAILY

BASIS.

SO WHEN YOU PUT ME IN A SITUATION LIKE, THIS I'M NOT

GOING TO FREAK OUT.

I'M GOING TO COME IN HERE WITH SURGICAL EXPERTISE AND CARVE MY

WAY UP TO THE TOP.

>> PHYSICAL THERAPY IS VERY GIVING, AND IT'S ABOUT OTHER

PEOPLE.

THIS IS A VERY SELFISH GAME, SO IT'S TIME TO BE SELFISH AND ANY

OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW I'M TOUGHER THAN YOU, STRONGER THAN YOU,

SMARTER THAN YOU, I'M ALL FOR IT.

>> Jeff: HUSTLERS, THEY ARE RESPECTED FOR THEIR WORK ETHIC,

GET IT DONE NO MATTER WHAT.

THEY STOP AT NOTHING TO ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS.

>> I'M A PERSONAL ASSISTANT.

I DO ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING, AND THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN

"SURVIVOR" THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THAT YOU NORMALLY DON'T WANT TO

BE DOING BUT YOU GOTTA GET IT DONE.

AND I'M USED TO DOING THE JOB THAT NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO.

>> WORKING AS A BELLHOP, I'M 125 POUNDS SOAKING WET.

IT'S SO TOUGH, BUT I'M MORE ATHLETIC THAN I LOOK, AND I GO

TO SLEEP THINKING ABOUT "SURVIVOR."

AND NOW I'M READY.

I LOVE TURTLENECKS.

I DON'T DRINK AND I DON'T HAVE A GIRLFRIEND.

COME ON, WHO WANTS TO ALIGN WITH ME?

>> Jeff: THREE VERY DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO LIFE.

ONCE AGAIN WILL BE TESTED IN THE GREATEST SOCIAL EXPHERMT ON

TELEVISION.

IT'S "SURVIVOR: HEROES VERSUS HEALERS VERSUS HUSTLERS."

CBS THIS FALL.

( APPLAUSE ).

>> Jeff: WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH "SURVIVOR: GAME CHANGERS"

LIVE REUNION SHOW.

>> Jeff: IT IS TH THE "SURVIVOR" LIVE REUNION SHOW.

JEFF VARNER YOU SAID SOMETHING TO ME DURING THE BREAK YOU

WANTED TO ADD.

>> I HAVE BEEN LIVING IN SHAME FOR A YEAR AND I JUST CAME

THROUGH IT AND.

THERE'S A BOOK I'M WORKING ON TITLED "SURVIVING SHAME" AND YOU

GETS THE FIRST COPY.

>> Jeff: IF THIS ADVENTURE, ALL OF IT, EVERYTHING WE TALKED

ABOUT IN THE LAST 34 SEASONS SEEMED FUN AND YOU WANT TO PLAY

"SURVIVOR," FIRST STEP, YOU HAVE TO SHOW US WHO YOU ARE.

IF YOU WANT TO BID ON PROPS FROM THIS SEASON GO TO

SURVIVORAUCTIONS.COM.

PROCEEDS GO TO STAND UP TO CANCER.

YEAH, KICK IN THAT MUSIC, BECAUSE I WANT TO SAY THIS FROM

MY HEART.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR LOYALTY!

THANK YOU FOR STAYING WITH US!

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) WE LOVE OUR JOBS, AND WE'LL

CONTINUE TO TRY TO GIVE YOU GREAT "SURVIVOR" SEASONS.

GOOD NIGHT!

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) Captioning funded by CBS