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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,093 --> 00:00:12,053 (text clicking) 2 00:00:12,053 --> 00:00:15,348 - [Interviewer] Is there any threat or danger 3 00:00:15,348 --> 00:00:17,100 making a film like this? 4 00:00:17,100 --> 00:00:18,685 - Yeah, you just wait and see. 5 00:00:19,978 --> 00:00:21,146 You just wait and see. 6 00:00:22,188 --> 00:00:24,858 (ominous music) 7 00:00:26,276 --> 00:00:29,738 You have no idea of the far reaching power of the church. 8 00:00:33,283 --> 00:00:35,618 They will stop at nothing 9 00:00:35,618 --> 00:00:37,662 to keep this truth from getting out. 10 00:00:39,748 --> 00:00:43,251 (ominous music continues) 11 00:00:59,058 --> 00:01:02,562 (ominous music continues) 12 00:01:18,995 --> 00:01:22,499 (ominous music continues) 13 00:01:23,666 --> 00:01:26,419 (peaceful music) 14 00:01:29,839 --> 00:01:32,467 - [Kip] My name's Kip, I'm a filmmaker from now LA, 15 00:01:32,467 --> 00:01:34,552 and I thought I had it figured out. 16 00:01:34,552 --> 00:01:36,930 My previous films exposed the meat, dairy, 17 00:01:36,930 --> 00:01:40,016 and fishing industries' collusion with government, 18 00:01:40,016 --> 00:01:41,976 big pharma, and nonprofit health 19 00:01:41,976 --> 00:01:44,020 and environmental organizations. 20 00:01:44,020 --> 00:01:46,940 And let's just say they were a bit controversial. 21 00:01:46,940 --> 00:01:48,191 - This controversial documentary. 22 00:01:48,191 --> 00:01:49,567 - "What the Health" have you seen this? 23 00:01:49,567 --> 00:01:51,486 - Yeah, it's filled with a lot of propaganda. 24 00:01:51,486 --> 00:01:54,155 - Documentary "Cowspiracy" shielded 25 00:01:54,155 --> 00:01:56,074 by leading environmental organizations, 26 00:01:56,074 --> 00:01:57,992 - The diabetes associations, 27 00:01:57,992 --> 00:01:59,619 they are funded by these meat 28 00:01:59,619 --> 00:02:02,330 and dairy organizations and these pharmaceutical companies. 29 00:02:02,330 --> 00:02:04,165 - Just lump everything together. 30 00:02:05,250 --> 00:02:06,793 - So off on the science. 31 00:02:06,793 --> 00:02:08,294 - That is not science, that's a lie. 32 00:02:08,294 --> 00:02:10,171 - I have an obligation to set the record straight 33 00:02:10,171 --> 00:02:11,673 so that people don't die. 34 00:02:13,716 --> 00:02:15,927 - [Kip] Though I wanted to be finished with the subject 35 00:02:15,927 --> 00:02:18,680 of eating animals, I was constantly reminded 36 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,058 there was one more piece of the puzzle I was missing, 37 00:02:22,058 --> 00:02:24,435 the ethics of eating animals. 38 00:02:24,435 --> 00:02:25,228 (bell rings) 39 00:02:25,228 --> 00:02:28,481 And though I consider myself a quasi-spiritual Buddhist yogi 40 00:02:28,481 --> 00:02:31,234 because I love crystals, sacred geometry, 41 00:02:31,234 --> 00:02:32,819 did yoga a few times a week, 42 00:02:32,819 --> 00:02:35,488 and carried a picture of the Dalai Lama in my wallet, 43 00:02:35,488 --> 00:02:39,117 I didn't know much about the ethics of eating animals 44 00:02:39,117 --> 00:02:44,122 or where to begin, so I put the project on hold 45 00:02:44,122 --> 00:02:47,917 until at a screening and Q and A for one of my films. 46 00:02:47,917 --> 00:02:48,751 - Let's get right down to it, 47 00:02:48,751 --> 00:02:50,003 we'll start off with any questions. 48 00:02:50,003 --> 00:02:52,630 - 96% of what, - I heard a question 49 00:02:52,630 --> 00:02:54,465 I'd never heard before. 50 00:02:55,383 --> 00:02:57,635 - Is there a spiritual way to kill an animal? 51 00:02:58,928 --> 00:03:01,806 I'll put it this way, how would Jesus kill an animal? 52 00:03:01,806 --> 00:03:05,476 - Wow, It's a little much, I'm not religious, 53 00:03:05,476 --> 00:03:07,437 so I don't think I'm gonna go there. 54 00:03:07,437 --> 00:03:09,522 So I don't know what to answer about that. 55 00:03:10,481 --> 00:03:12,233 Little did I know at the time, 56 00:03:12,233 --> 00:03:15,111 but this bold question would soon launch 57 00:03:15,111 --> 00:03:17,488 he and I on a journey into uncovering 58 00:03:17,488 --> 00:03:22,493 one of the biggest coverups in the last 2,000 years. 59 00:03:22,577 --> 00:03:23,953 (ominous music) (pictures flickering) 60 00:03:23,953 --> 00:03:27,332 But at the time, I didn't know what to think about it. 61 00:03:27,332 --> 00:03:30,126 Then after the Q and A, he came up to me 62 00:03:30,126 --> 00:03:33,630 with his business card saying he was an aspiring filmmaker 63 00:03:33,630 --> 00:03:35,798 trying to find a Christian way 64 00:03:35,798 --> 00:03:38,259 to eat animals and needed help. 65 00:03:39,302 --> 00:03:41,012 I was highly skeptical, 66 00:03:41,012 --> 00:03:43,514 but something in my gut said I had to meet up 67 00:03:43,514 --> 00:03:47,227 with him the next day where he was living out of his van. 68 00:03:48,269 --> 00:03:50,730 And just start, just name who you are. 69 00:03:50,730 --> 00:03:53,107 - My name is Kam, and I grew up in the heart 70 00:03:53,107 --> 00:03:55,568 of the Bible Belt in the deep south 71 00:03:55,568 --> 00:03:58,988 to a 16-year-old mom and a 17-year-old dad. 72 00:03:58,988 --> 00:04:00,823 My entire life was church. 73 00:04:00,823 --> 00:04:03,159 ♪ Little lord Jesus ♪ 74 00:04:03,159 --> 00:04:04,744 - I was raised in the church. 75 00:04:04,744 --> 00:04:06,704 - I baptized you, my brother. 76 00:04:06,704 --> 00:04:10,458 (congregation applauds) 77 00:04:10,458 --> 00:04:13,294 - I even had a career in the church as a Christian musician. 78 00:04:13,294 --> 00:04:15,463 (upbeat music) 79 00:04:15,463 --> 00:04:18,341 Recently, I had to take a step back 80 00:04:18,341 --> 00:04:21,302 and question a big part of my faith, 81 00:04:21,302 --> 00:04:23,972 which is the question around eating animals. 82 00:04:23,972 --> 00:04:27,266 And it all started when I did the Daniel Fast. 83 00:04:27,266 --> 00:04:29,644 - The Daniel Fast. - Yes. 84 00:04:29,644 --> 00:04:31,354 - What is the Daniel Fast? 85 00:04:31,354 --> 00:04:33,564 - It's inspired by the diet eaten 86 00:04:33,564 --> 00:04:35,733 by the Old Testament prophet Daniel. 87 00:04:35,733 --> 00:04:38,403 - Who only ate fruits, and vegetables, and grains, 88 00:04:38,403 --> 00:04:40,321 and didn't have any animal products and 89 00:04:40,321 --> 00:04:42,198 - Parts of the diet's goal is to bring 90 00:04:42,198 --> 00:04:44,659 fasters closer to their religious roots. 91 00:04:44,659 --> 00:04:47,620 - [Kam] Daniel was a prophet in the Bible who proved 92 00:04:47,620 --> 00:04:50,623 to the king to be 10 times wiser, healthier, 93 00:04:50,623 --> 00:04:52,750 and stronger than all the other men in the kingdom. 94 00:04:52,750 --> 00:04:55,503 And his secret was that he refused meat 95 00:04:55,503 --> 00:04:57,547 and only ate vegetables. 96 00:04:57,547 --> 00:05:00,591 So I looked up this trendy vegetarian diet 97 00:05:00,591 --> 00:05:02,802 on the leading Daniel Plan website. 98 00:05:02,802 --> 00:05:05,722 - And I wanna welcome you to the Daniel Plan. 99 00:05:05,722 --> 00:05:07,598 - [Kam] Yet, I was shocked to find a bunch 100 00:05:07,598 --> 00:05:11,310 of meat-based recipes like guiltless chicken breast tenders, 101 00:05:11,310 --> 00:05:14,564 grilled lamb chops, and even meatloaf cupcakes. 102 00:05:14,564 --> 00:05:16,941 And then when I tried calling 'em, 103 00:05:16,941 --> 00:05:19,569 So I've tried to ask this question multiple times, 104 00:05:19,569 --> 00:05:22,238 but I keep getting sent to a voicemail. 105 00:05:22,238 --> 00:05:24,699 If Daniel ate only vegetables, 106 00:05:25,575 --> 00:05:27,702 then why is there meat on the meal plan? 107 00:05:29,996 --> 00:05:32,623 - [Representative] I can't answer that, no, nuh uh. 108 00:05:32,623 --> 00:05:35,752 Hold on, hold on just a moment, okay? 109 00:05:37,837 --> 00:05:39,630 - [Kam] And then things got even more interesting 110 00:05:39,630 --> 00:05:42,175 when I was on tour in the South and stopped by 111 00:05:42,175 --> 00:05:44,302 to document the Noah's Ark Museum, 112 00:05:44,302 --> 00:05:46,721 where I found out that Noah, like Daniel, 113 00:05:46,721 --> 00:05:50,016 was also vegetarian, which was a surprise to me. 114 00:05:50,016 --> 00:05:52,810 - If you go all the way back to the original creation, 115 00:05:52,810 --> 00:05:54,062 God made everything perfect. 116 00:05:54,062 --> 00:05:55,480 There was no death, no bloodshed, 117 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,607 which means nothing was eating meat. 118 00:05:57,607 --> 00:05:59,942 And we see that in scripture in Genesis 1:29, 119 00:05:59,942 --> 00:06:01,736 man was vegetarian. 120 00:06:01,736 --> 00:06:03,321 So if you go back, Noah and his family 121 00:06:03,321 --> 00:06:05,031 were still being obedient to that. 122 00:06:06,282 --> 00:06:08,284 After the flood, of course, is a different story. 123 00:06:08,284 --> 00:06:10,078 Noah was permitted to eat any meat. 124 00:06:11,079 --> 00:06:13,456 - [Interviewer] Wait, so now that I think about it, 125 00:06:13,456 --> 00:06:16,667 it seems kind of weird if he was vegetarian his whole life 126 00:06:16,667 --> 00:06:18,461 and he loved animals so much, 127 00:06:18,461 --> 00:06:19,629 - And he rescued 'em, yeah. 128 00:06:19,629 --> 00:06:21,422 - [Interviewer] Yeah, he essentially pulls off 129 00:06:21,422 --> 00:06:24,342 the world's largest animal rescue 130 00:06:24,342 --> 00:06:26,552 and then he eats 'em after? 131 00:06:26,552 --> 00:06:29,639 - (chuckles) Yeah, in one major sense, yeah. 132 00:06:29,639 --> 00:06:31,808 So it's not that it's a sin to eat meat. 133 00:06:31,808 --> 00:06:33,351 See, I grew up on a farm 134 00:06:33,351 --> 00:06:36,479 and I know in in our modern culture, there are situations 135 00:06:36,479 --> 00:06:38,773 where people are not doing the practices properly. 136 00:06:38,773 --> 00:06:40,900 And I'd like to see that done a little bit better. 137 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:44,070 And I think most Christians would echo that, as well. 138 00:06:44,070 --> 00:06:45,113 - [Kam] He did make a good point 139 00:06:45,113 --> 00:06:46,531 about the farming practices. 140 00:06:46,531 --> 00:06:49,158 So I went to the Noah's Ark Buffet to see 141 00:06:49,158 --> 00:06:51,327 what their practices were like. 142 00:06:51,327 --> 00:06:52,870 Yes, so do you guys have your own farm 143 00:06:52,870 --> 00:06:54,956 where you raise and kill your own animals? 144 00:06:56,415 --> 00:06:57,250 - No. - No. 145 00:06:58,209 --> 00:06:59,043 - No. - Can you tell me 146 00:06:59,043 --> 00:07:00,002 where you get your meat from? 147 00:07:00,002 --> 00:07:01,003 - No. 148 00:07:01,003 --> 00:07:03,005 No, no comment. 149 00:07:03,005 --> 00:07:04,966 - Oh, why, - No comment. 150 00:07:04,966 --> 00:07:05,800 So yeah. 151 00:07:06,717 --> 00:07:08,136 - [Kam] She didn't really wanna talk about it. 152 00:07:08,136 --> 00:07:10,096 So I looked it up myself 153 00:07:10,096 --> 00:07:13,307 and it was Sysco Foods, the leading distributor 154 00:07:13,307 --> 00:07:17,061 of factory farm meat brands, like Smithfield and Tyson. 155 00:07:17,061 --> 00:07:20,189 - [Kip] And as it turns out, 99% of all animals 156 00:07:20,189 --> 00:07:22,483 for food are factory farmed. 157 00:07:22,483 --> 00:07:25,194 - So I started to think what would Jesus do when it comes 158 00:07:25,194 --> 00:07:26,279 to eating animals? 159 00:07:26,279 --> 00:07:28,656 And even more specifically, what would he do 160 00:07:28,656 --> 00:07:30,616 when it comes to killing an animal? 161 00:07:30,616 --> 00:07:32,743 - [Kip] Why does it matter if Jesus 162 00:07:32,743 --> 00:07:34,954 killed or ate meat, what does that up to do with anything? 163 00:07:34,954 --> 00:07:37,290 - To me, it matters if Jesus killed or ate animals 164 00:07:37,290 --> 00:07:40,251 because my entire life has been based 165 00:07:40,251 --> 00:07:42,461 on following Jesus. 166 00:07:42,461 --> 00:07:44,797 There's even a phrase in Christianity called 167 00:07:44,797 --> 00:07:48,092 what would Jesus do that we ask ourselves when we're faced 168 00:07:48,092 --> 00:07:50,011 with a moral or ethical dilemma. 169 00:07:50,011 --> 00:07:52,180 - Does everybody have their WJD bracelets on? 170 00:07:52,180 --> 00:07:53,598 Do you know what that is everyone? 171 00:07:53,598 --> 00:07:55,808 They're just a reminder to be a better person, 172 00:07:55,808 --> 00:07:57,727 to live a better life. 173 00:07:57,727 --> 00:08:01,022 ♪ Jesus, walk with me, with me ♪ 174 00:08:01,022 --> 00:08:02,148 - The fact of the matter is 175 00:08:02,148 --> 00:08:03,399 whether you're a Christian or not, 176 00:08:03,399 --> 00:08:07,069 or even if you don't believe in Jesus your entire life, 177 00:08:07,069 --> 00:08:08,779 everyone in the Western world's entire life 178 00:08:08,779 --> 00:08:10,990 is affected by the church. 179 00:08:10,990 --> 00:08:13,868 Christianity is the largest religion in the world. 180 00:08:13,868 --> 00:08:16,621 There's 2.3 billion Christians worldwide. 181 00:08:16,621 --> 00:08:18,831 65% of the country is Christian. 182 00:08:18,831 --> 00:08:21,250 88% of members of Congress are Christian. 183 00:08:21,250 --> 00:08:23,502 And every single president in the history 184 00:08:23,502 --> 00:08:26,005 of the United States was a Christian or believed in God. 185 00:08:26,005 --> 00:08:29,675 - In America, we don't worship government, we worship God. 186 00:08:29,675 --> 00:08:32,929 - I, Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. do solemnly swear, 187 00:08:32,929 --> 00:08:35,097 - I'm a Christian, a conservative, 188 00:08:35,097 --> 00:08:37,600 and a Republican, in that order. 189 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,435 - God bless the United States of America. 190 00:08:39,435 --> 00:08:43,773 (Congress applauding) (dramatic music) 191 00:08:43,773 --> 00:08:45,816 - [Kip] What does Christian values have to do 192 00:08:45,816 --> 00:08:47,401 with eating animals? 193 00:08:47,401 --> 00:08:51,280 - All Christians kill and eat animals based off of the fact 194 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,616 that we believe or have been taught 195 00:08:53,616 --> 00:08:56,702 that God commanded us to eat animals. 196 00:08:56,702 --> 00:08:59,330 So I wonder what would be the Christian 197 00:08:59,330 --> 00:09:02,500 or Christ-like way to kill an animal? 198 00:09:02,500 --> 00:09:03,834 Hi, my name is Kameron Waters 199 00:09:03,834 --> 00:09:06,712 and I want to be baptized to express my love 200 00:09:06,712 --> 00:09:08,422 and commitment as a born-again Christian. 201 00:09:08,422 --> 00:09:10,925 - We have a wonderful situation here, Brother Allen Smith's 202 00:09:10,925 --> 00:09:15,930 an ordained minister and his grandson came to be baptized. 203 00:09:16,681 --> 00:09:18,099 (clock ticking) 204 00:09:18,099 --> 00:09:21,185 - [Interviewer] Do you feel Jesus ate animals? 205 00:09:21,185 --> 00:09:23,312 Did Jesus eat animals? 206 00:09:24,146 --> 00:09:27,900 Certainly ate fish, I know that's not an animal but. 207 00:09:27,900 --> 00:09:31,112 - He certainly would, if he were offered in this day 208 00:09:31,112 --> 00:09:34,031 and time a hamburger, he'd eat it. 209 00:09:34,031 --> 00:09:35,241 - [Interviewer] And when it comes to, say, 210 00:09:35,241 --> 00:09:38,119 killing an animal, what would Jesus do? 211 00:09:39,870 --> 00:09:43,374 - (chuckles) That I have no idea. 212 00:09:43,374 --> 00:09:45,459 - Interesting question. 213 00:09:45,459 --> 00:09:50,172 The possibility of him saying, 214 00:09:50,172 --> 00:09:53,634 "I can kill this animal," or let's do that again. 215 00:09:54,510 --> 00:09:55,386 That's not good. 216 00:09:55,386 --> 00:10:00,141 - I don't think that my denying myself a filet mignon 217 00:10:00,141 --> 00:10:04,604 every once in a while is gonna enhance the coming back 218 00:10:04,604 --> 00:10:06,480 of the kingdom of God. 219 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,108 - But you have to ask yourself, 220 00:10:09,108 --> 00:10:12,903 do animals have rights spiritually? 221 00:10:12,903 --> 00:10:15,865 And I think the bottom line is this, when Jesus came 222 00:10:15,865 --> 00:10:18,909 to die on the cross, he didn't come to die 223 00:10:18,909 --> 00:10:21,996 for cows, and horses, and pigs. 224 00:10:21,996 --> 00:10:23,623 He came to die for humans. 225 00:10:24,915 --> 00:10:27,335 - All my pastors started pushing back, 226 00:10:27,335 --> 00:10:30,629 community leaders started pushing back on those questions, 227 00:10:30,629 --> 00:10:33,466 telling me that I shouldn't be going down that road. 228 00:10:33,466 --> 00:10:35,593 And eventually it caused me to have 229 00:10:35,593 --> 00:10:37,928 to really step back from my community, from my church, 230 00:10:37,928 --> 00:10:41,474 from my band, which was how I supported myself. 231 00:10:41,474 --> 00:10:45,811 So I left the church. 232 00:10:45,811 --> 00:10:47,104 Now I just live in my van 233 00:10:47,104 --> 00:10:48,564 and I'm trying to figure out this question, 234 00:10:48,564 --> 00:10:51,400 which is the reason why I asked it to you. 235 00:10:52,568 --> 00:10:53,861 (dramatic music) 236 00:10:53,861 --> 00:10:56,655 - [Kip] Is there a Christian or spiritual way 237 00:10:56,655 --> 00:10:59,367 to ethically eat animals? 238 00:10:59,367 --> 00:11:01,786 I had no idea. 239 00:11:01,786 --> 00:11:04,622 Supposedly, one of the most spiritual leaders today 240 00:11:04,622 --> 00:11:08,292 was my hero, the Dalai Lama, who observes the first precept 241 00:11:08,292 --> 00:11:11,629 of Buddhism to not kill any sentient being. 242 00:11:11,629 --> 00:11:13,881 So to get some perspective on the flip side 243 00:11:13,881 --> 00:11:16,008 of Kam's question, I decided 244 00:11:16,008 --> 00:11:19,303 to look at why the Dalai Lama chooses not to eat meat. 245 00:11:21,972 --> 00:11:23,140 (mouse clicks) 246 00:11:23,140 --> 00:11:24,141 (dramatic music) What? 247 00:11:24,141 --> 00:11:26,018 The Dalai Lama eats meat. 248 00:11:26,977 --> 00:11:28,646 I was quite shocked to learn this 249 00:11:28,646 --> 00:11:31,607 and immediately reached out to him to see how it's possible 250 00:11:31,607 --> 00:11:34,443 to compassionately kill and eat animals. 251 00:11:34,443 --> 00:11:37,196 But he didn't respond. 252 00:11:37,196 --> 00:11:39,990 Maybe there was a spiritual way to eat animals. 253 00:11:39,990 --> 00:11:42,701 And since religions are essentially the nonprofits 254 00:11:42,701 --> 00:11:45,663 of ethics, then perhaps this was the missing link 255 00:11:45,663 --> 00:11:47,373 to my previous films. 256 00:11:47,373 --> 00:11:49,125 So I reached out to Kam 257 00:11:49,125 --> 00:11:52,002 and told him I would help him find if there was 258 00:11:52,002 --> 00:11:54,255 a Christian way to kill and eat animals, 259 00:11:54,255 --> 00:11:56,132 if he would help me find 260 00:11:56,132 --> 00:11:58,926 if there were any other spiritual ways. 261 00:11:58,926 --> 00:12:02,513 Though when it came to Christianity, I had to admit 262 00:12:02,513 --> 00:12:05,891 I wasn't even sure Jesus was even a real person, 263 00:12:05,891 --> 00:12:08,853 especially since he was always depicted as a white guy, 264 00:12:08,853 --> 00:12:12,064 even though he was from Nazareth in the Middle East. 265 00:12:12,064 --> 00:12:14,734 But Kam showed me a book by the leading historian 266 00:12:14,734 --> 00:12:17,820 of the time, Josephus, that does record 267 00:12:17,820 --> 00:12:21,574 Jesus's birth and crucifixion. 268 00:12:21,574 --> 00:12:25,202 And with that, we teamed up to find out first 269 00:12:25,202 --> 00:12:28,038 what would Jesus do by going straight 270 00:12:28,038 --> 00:12:31,083 to the top, the Vatican. 271 00:12:31,083 --> 00:12:33,169 (plane whooshing) (dramatic music) 272 00:12:33,169 --> 00:12:34,920 (bell ringing) (birds squawking) 273 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,089 - Where we are here at the Greco University 274 00:12:37,089 --> 00:12:41,469 is the oldest university associated with the Vatican. 275 00:12:41,469 --> 00:12:44,263 And this is my fourth year as dean. 276 00:12:44,263 --> 00:12:46,056 - [Interviewer] Did Jesus eat meat? 277 00:12:46,056 --> 00:12:47,391 - Yes, of course, I mean, 278 00:12:47,391 --> 00:12:49,560 I don't think there is any doubt that 279 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:52,855 Jesus had meals including meat 280 00:12:52,855 --> 00:12:56,859 because it was part of the Passover meal, for instance, 281 00:12:56,859 --> 00:13:00,112 as we know that a lamb was sacrificed. 282 00:13:01,322 --> 00:13:03,073 - T How would Jesus kill an animal? 283 00:13:07,203 --> 00:13:09,497 - I suppose Jesus would kill an animal 284 00:13:10,414 --> 00:13:12,750 in the less painful way possible. 285 00:13:12,750 --> 00:13:14,376 - [Interviewer] And how is that exactly? 286 00:13:14,376 --> 00:13:15,544 - I don't know. I mean it depends on 287 00:13:15,544 --> 00:13:17,171 what you have at your disposal. 288 00:13:17,171 --> 00:13:19,215 - [Interviewer] If he had a lamb 289 00:13:19,215 --> 00:13:24,178 and he had anything at his disposal, how could he do it? 290 00:13:24,178 --> 00:13:28,474 - I suppose imagining Jesus with a knife in his hand, 291 00:13:28,474 --> 00:13:30,309 slitting the throat of a lamb, 292 00:13:30,309 --> 00:13:32,478 isn't this particularly cruel, isn't it? 293 00:13:32,478 --> 00:13:36,941 Because it's a lamb is something that aspires for life 294 00:13:36,941 --> 00:13:39,485 as all living things do. 295 00:13:39,485 --> 00:13:43,072 So it seems very inconsistent 296 00:13:43,072 --> 00:13:45,574 to consider Jesus engaged 297 00:13:45,574 --> 00:13:47,618 in terminating a life in that way. 298 00:13:47,618 --> 00:13:51,038 - [Interviewer] So maybe he didn't kill or even eat animals? 299 00:13:51,038 --> 00:13:54,208 - I think we need to wrap things up, sorry. 300 00:13:55,042 --> 00:13:56,585 (ominous music) 301 00:13:56,585 --> 00:13:59,588 - [Kip] We realized our best chance to find out 302 00:13:59,588 --> 00:14:03,759 what would Jesus do was to find an expert on religion 303 00:14:03,759 --> 00:14:08,514 and animals and found Oxford theologian Dr. Andrew Linzey, 304 00:14:08,514 --> 00:14:12,142 who has written over 35 books on the subject. 305 00:14:12,142 --> 00:14:16,730 He was reluctant to do an interview but finally accepted. 306 00:14:16,730 --> 00:14:20,234 (ominous music continues) 307 00:14:21,902 --> 00:14:22,861 (door rattling) 308 00:14:22,861 --> 00:14:25,322 - Am I a lamb to the slaughter? 309 00:14:25,322 --> 00:14:26,782 Excellent, do come through. 310 00:14:29,076 --> 00:14:31,370 - [Interviewer] Why have you spent 50 years 311 00:14:31,370 --> 00:14:33,455 on religion and animals? 312 00:14:34,665 --> 00:14:35,749 - Give an answer now. 313 00:14:37,126 --> 00:14:40,462 Yeah, what's impelled me to stay with the animal issue 314 00:14:40,462 --> 00:14:42,756 is that I believe religious people 315 00:14:42,756 --> 00:14:46,927 and Christian people especially have just lost the plot. 316 00:14:46,927 --> 00:14:51,932 Disrespecting the creature is disrespecting the creator. 317 00:14:53,183 --> 00:14:54,894 - [Interviewer] And what would Jesus do when, 318 00:14:54,894 --> 00:14:56,854 - I'm sorry, wait a moment. 319 00:14:58,188 --> 00:14:59,523 I thought I was sitting down. 320 00:15:01,900 --> 00:15:05,654 Sometimes people say, well, what did Jesus do for animals? 321 00:15:05,654 --> 00:15:08,407 Well, in fact, you only have to look at the incident 322 00:15:08,407 --> 00:15:10,034 of the cleansing of the temple. 323 00:15:10,034 --> 00:15:12,077 (dramatic music) 324 00:15:12,077 --> 00:15:16,206 I mean, the temple was a place of enormous animal sacrifice. 325 00:15:16,206 --> 00:15:21,170 He goes in and he cleanses it of all those who buy and sell. 326 00:15:21,837 --> 00:15:25,257 - It is written, my house will be a house of prayer 327 00:15:25,257 --> 00:15:27,551 and you have turned it into a den of thieves. 328 00:15:27,551 --> 00:15:29,386 (group clamoring) (coins jingling) 329 00:15:29,386 --> 00:15:31,639 - And of course it had momentous consequences. 330 00:15:31,639 --> 00:15:34,058 It was that act that precipitated, 331 00:15:34,058 --> 00:15:38,103 especially if not exclusively, his trial and his execution. 332 00:15:39,146 --> 00:15:40,898 - [Interviewer] Wow, but what did that 333 00:15:40,898 --> 00:15:42,858 have to do with animals? 334 00:15:42,858 --> 00:15:44,610 - Well, what were they buying and selling? 335 00:15:44,610 --> 00:15:46,070 Well, it's not chocolate. 336 00:15:46,070 --> 00:15:49,156 They're buying and selling animals for sacrifice. 337 00:15:50,407 --> 00:15:55,120 - [Kip] I had no idea there was a specific historical event 338 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:59,667 that led directly to Jesus's crucifixion four days earlier, 339 00:15:59,667 --> 00:16:02,670 known as - Den of thieves. 340 00:16:02,670 --> 00:16:03,712 - A den of, - A den of, 341 00:16:03,712 --> 00:16:06,382 - A den of thieves. - But sermons today 342 00:16:06,382 --> 00:16:09,885 only mention Jesus being mad about the money. 343 00:16:09,885 --> 00:16:11,387 - No more exchanging money. 344 00:16:11,387 --> 00:16:14,974 - He poured out the coins of the money changers 345 00:16:14,974 --> 00:16:17,726 and he overturned their tables. 346 00:16:17,726 --> 00:16:21,897 - [Kip] But looking into the past, there were hidden clues. 347 00:16:21,897 --> 00:16:25,442 (dramatic music) (animals bleating) 348 00:16:25,442 --> 00:16:28,570 - Because the buying and selling of sacrificial animals 349 00:16:28,570 --> 00:16:31,115 was what sustained the temple. 350 00:16:31,115 --> 00:16:33,367 The truth is that the temple at the time 351 00:16:33,367 --> 00:16:36,495 of Jesus was a mass slaughterhouse. 352 00:16:36,495 --> 00:16:39,164 (ominous music) 353 00:16:41,208 --> 00:16:42,835 - [Kip] It was hard to believe one 354 00:16:42,835 --> 00:16:45,004 of the world's most sacred temples 355 00:16:45,004 --> 00:16:48,841 for all western religions was a slaughterhouse. 356 00:16:48,841 --> 00:16:52,177 Yet historical records do show millions 357 00:16:52,177 --> 00:16:54,013 of animals being sacrificed 358 00:16:54,013 --> 00:16:57,474 and priests wading up to their knees in blood. 359 00:16:58,434 --> 00:17:01,562 It was time to visit the holy land. 360 00:17:01,562 --> 00:17:05,441 (plane whooshing) (dramatic music) 361 00:17:05,441 --> 00:17:08,235 - Welcome to Jerusalem, the place where the history 362 00:17:08,235 --> 00:17:10,654 of the Abrahamic faiths all began. 363 00:17:10,654 --> 00:17:12,906 From here, we can see the southern wall 364 00:17:12,906 --> 00:17:14,533 of the Temple Mount 365 00:17:14,533 --> 00:17:16,326 and that was the place that thousands 366 00:17:16,326 --> 00:17:17,411 of Israelites will come 367 00:17:17,411 --> 00:17:20,080 to bring their own particular offerings. 368 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,167 - [Kip] During the temple tour, I stayed back while Kam 369 00:17:23,167 --> 00:17:26,253 snuck away to find any signs that the temple 370 00:17:26,253 --> 00:17:28,380 was a slaughterhouse. 371 00:17:28,380 --> 00:17:31,508 If it were true, there would've had to have been some sort 372 00:17:31,508 --> 00:17:33,886 of drainage system connected to the temple 373 00:17:33,886 --> 00:17:36,972 to flush out all the blood from killing animals. 374 00:17:38,766 --> 00:17:40,476 Kam could not find anything 375 00:17:40,476 --> 00:17:43,270 until he came across an informational sign 376 00:17:43,270 --> 00:17:47,733 and realized he had been walking through it. 377 00:17:47,733 --> 00:17:50,527 - [Kam] I am in this massive drainage channel 378 00:17:50,527 --> 00:17:53,822 where scriptures say All the blood streamed out 379 00:17:53,822 --> 00:17:56,492 from the millions of animals being sacrificed 380 00:17:56,492 --> 00:17:57,826 in the temple above. 381 00:17:58,911 --> 00:18:02,372 - We're talking rivers of blood, the entrails, 382 00:18:02,372 --> 00:18:05,000 the smell, the flies. 383 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,086 It's a huge operation with thousands 384 00:18:08,086 --> 00:18:09,713 and thousands of animals. 385 00:18:10,547 --> 00:18:11,423 - [Kip] And next to the temple, 386 00:18:11,423 --> 00:18:15,344 archeologists recently found thousands of animal bones 387 00:18:15,344 --> 00:18:17,679 that came from hundreds of miles away. 388 00:18:17,679 --> 00:18:19,681 - Jerusalem has no natural resources 389 00:18:19,681 --> 00:18:23,018 and therefore certainly animal flesh was the major driver 390 00:18:23,018 --> 00:18:24,436 of the economy that was functioning 391 00:18:24,436 --> 00:18:25,687 at that time, no question. 392 00:18:25,687 --> 00:18:27,523 - [Kip] All of the sacrificed animals 393 00:18:27,523 --> 00:18:32,236 were barbecued on the altars and sold by priests for meat. 394 00:18:32,236 --> 00:18:34,571 (ominous music) 395 00:18:34,571 --> 00:18:36,824 - Millions of animals were sacrificed in those walls 396 00:18:36,824 --> 00:18:40,869 and it is something so trippy to be here on the feast 397 00:18:40,869 --> 00:18:44,164 of sacrifice with rivers of blood in the streets 398 00:18:44,164 --> 00:18:46,166 where so many animals are being slaughtered 399 00:18:46,166 --> 00:18:47,209 just like they were then. 400 00:18:47,209 --> 00:18:49,336 It's still happening today, and soon, 401 00:18:49,336 --> 00:18:50,838 the Temple Institute is planning 402 00:18:50,838 --> 00:18:53,757 to sacrifice a prophetic perfect red cow 403 00:18:53,757 --> 00:18:54,967 to bring back the millions 404 00:18:54,967 --> 00:18:58,178 of Jewish animal sacrifices inside the temple. 405 00:18:58,178 --> 00:19:00,180 And this massive wall is just separating 406 00:19:00,180 --> 00:19:02,307 the Muslims from the Jewish people. 407 00:19:02,307 --> 00:19:05,060 You've got more walls separating the Christians in the back. 408 00:19:05,060 --> 00:19:07,187 (dramatic music) 409 00:19:07,187 --> 00:19:09,523 What a trippy time to be alive. 410 00:19:10,774 --> 00:19:13,944 - [Kip] We wondered how did this link between religion 411 00:19:13,944 --> 00:19:17,114 and killing animals even begin? 412 00:19:17,114 --> 00:19:22,119 We had to go back, way back, to where this all began. 413 00:19:22,286 --> 00:19:25,038 (dramatic music) 414 00:19:27,624 --> 00:19:30,002 - Prehistoric societies saw animals 415 00:19:30,002 --> 00:19:32,337 as ancestors of the tribe. 416 00:19:32,337 --> 00:19:34,923 They were the totems, they were sacred. 417 00:19:34,923 --> 00:19:38,760 That changed anywhere from six to 8,000 BC 418 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,096 when the first humans in the Middle East 419 00:19:41,096 --> 00:19:43,098 learned to domesticate animals. 420 00:19:43,098 --> 00:19:45,309 We controlled their breeding, their sex lives. 421 00:19:45,309 --> 00:19:48,437 We castrated the males, we separated the females. 422 00:19:48,437 --> 00:19:51,398 There's kind of a transition there where you had to be 423 00:19:51,398 --> 00:19:54,484 kind of careful because animals, they were still sacred. 424 00:19:54,484 --> 00:19:56,194 You couldn't just kill them outright. 425 00:19:56,194 --> 00:19:59,364 They had to say some guilt-reducing things to the animal 426 00:19:59,364 --> 00:20:00,699 that was about to be killed. 427 00:20:00,699 --> 00:20:02,534 I'm sorry to have to kill you, 428 00:20:02,534 --> 00:20:04,536 but the gods want me to do this. 429 00:20:04,536 --> 00:20:07,956 This is where animal sacrifice becomes a way to provide meat 430 00:20:07,956 --> 00:20:10,709 to the cities in a religious context 431 00:20:10,709 --> 00:20:13,670 and turn it from this being that might've been sacred, 432 00:20:13,670 --> 00:20:15,881 might've had power, turn it into food. 433 00:20:15,881 --> 00:20:18,217 And eventually it evolved into a religious system 434 00:20:18,217 --> 00:20:22,304 where our God says, "Yes, you have a license to do this. 435 00:20:22,304 --> 00:20:24,640 "You have dominion over the earth." 436 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,850 - [Kip] ] Dominion is the principle which guides 437 00:20:26,850 --> 00:20:30,062 all Western religions' views towards animals, 438 00:20:30,062 --> 00:20:32,439 which led to the widely known spiritual ways 439 00:20:32,439 --> 00:20:34,650 of killing animals for the marketplace 440 00:20:34,650 --> 00:20:37,110 known as kosher and halal. 441 00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:39,071 - Animals were the first form of money. 442 00:20:39,071 --> 00:20:41,490 We took animals out of the wild 443 00:20:41,490 --> 00:20:44,201 and made them property, tradable objects. 444 00:20:44,201 --> 00:20:47,996 In fact, the word capital comes from head count of the herd. 445 00:20:47,996 --> 00:20:52,000 A herd measured their wealth in terms of heads of animals. 446 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,003 One of the words for money is pecuniary. 447 00:20:55,003 --> 00:20:59,800 That's from an old Latin word from livestock, live stock. 448 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:00,926 (dramatic music) (cow mooing) 449 00:21:00,926 --> 00:21:04,054 - The livestock industry has been under regulatory attack. 450 00:21:04,054 --> 00:21:06,556 Those are harsh words, I intend them to be. 451 00:21:06,556 --> 00:21:08,558 - [Kip] Government and religion have been intertwined 452 00:21:08,558 --> 00:21:12,020 by killing animals for profit for thousands of years. 453 00:21:12,020 --> 00:21:15,273 During the time of Jesus, the temple was making tons 454 00:21:15,273 --> 00:21:18,360 of money and taxes from killing animals 455 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:21,405 for meat that funded the Roman Empire. 456 00:21:21,405 --> 00:21:24,574 Was this kind of money still being made today? 457 00:21:24,574 --> 00:21:27,577 It turns out where it costs 500 to a thousand dollars 458 00:21:27,577 --> 00:21:29,204 to be organic certified, 459 00:21:29,204 --> 00:21:32,332 it costs anywhere from a thousand to $40,000 460 00:21:32,332 --> 00:21:34,001 to be kosher certified. 461 00:21:34,001 --> 00:21:38,547 And its market size may reach over $25 billion in two years 462 00:21:38,547 --> 00:21:40,298 only to be rivaled by halal, 463 00:21:40,298 --> 00:21:42,175 the Muslim equivalent to kosher, 464 00:21:42,175 --> 00:21:46,263 which expects to reach $1.1 trillion this year. 465 00:21:46,263 --> 00:21:49,266 This all made us think when Jesus called the temple 466 00:21:49,266 --> 00:21:52,352 a den of thieves, was Dr. Linzey inferring 467 00:21:52,352 --> 00:21:54,604 that Jesus was not only speaking out against 468 00:21:54,604 --> 00:21:58,233 the money changers, but also killing animals 469 00:21:58,233 --> 00:22:00,444 that led to his crucifixion. 470 00:22:00,444 --> 00:22:03,989 So while we were in Israel, we wanted to go visit Nazareth 471 00:22:03,989 --> 00:22:06,575 to see if we could find any historical clues 472 00:22:06,575 --> 00:22:09,161 of who Jesus really was. 473 00:22:09,161 --> 00:22:11,455 But when we looked up from Josephus 474 00:22:11,455 --> 00:22:16,335 where in Nazareth he lived, everything took another turn. 475 00:22:16,335 --> 00:22:21,339 - Josephus records all 204 villages and cities 476 00:22:22,466 --> 00:22:25,927 in Galilee, and Nazareth, there's there's no Nazareth. 477 00:22:25,927 --> 00:22:28,221 - [Kip] What, no Nazareth? 478 00:22:28,221 --> 00:22:31,058 The only thing I thought I knew about Jesus 479 00:22:31,058 --> 00:22:33,560 is that he's from Nazareth. 480 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,355 But we then looked into the "Encyclopedia Biblica" 481 00:22:36,355 --> 00:22:38,398 and it states it's very doubtful 482 00:22:38,398 --> 00:22:41,026 Nazareth was the dwelling place of Jesus. 483 00:22:41,026 --> 00:22:43,987 It's not in the Old Testament or the Talmud. 484 00:22:43,987 --> 00:22:46,656 And it doesn't even appear in any historical map 485 00:22:46,656 --> 00:22:50,535 or records until 200 years after his death. 486 00:22:50,535 --> 00:22:54,748 So why do we all know him as Jesus of Nazareth 487 00:22:54,748 --> 00:22:58,043 if there may not have been a Nazareth? 488 00:22:58,043 --> 00:23:01,046 What was this title referring to? 489 00:23:01,046 --> 00:23:03,757 (dramatic music) 490 00:23:05,884 --> 00:23:06,718 (computer beeps) 491 00:23:06,718 --> 00:23:11,390 After we got back, we received an email from Dr. Linzey 492 00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:13,225 saying the situation in general 493 00:23:13,225 --> 00:23:16,186 with the university was difficult. 494 00:23:16,186 --> 00:23:18,688 (dramatic music continues) 495 00:23:18,688 --> 00:23:20,690 And around the same time, the subject 496 00:23:20,690 --> 00:23:22,901 of Christianity and eating animals 497 00:23:22,901 --> 00:23:25,403 was becoming a hot topic with pastors. 498 00:23:25,403 --> 00:23:27,906 - That the reason God put animals on this planet 499 00:23:27,906 --> 00:23:31,326 is for humans to consume, kill, and eat. 500 00:23:31,326 --> 00:23:35,122 - You can eat meat, it's not a sin. 501 00:23:35,122 --> 00:23:37,290 - We basically just need to make sure 502 00:23:37,290 --> 00:23:39,000 that we're nice to people 503 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,920 if they wanna order a vegetarian option 504 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,505 or whatever, just humor 'em. 505 00:23:43,505 --> 00:23:46,508 It's a substitute for biblical morality. 506 00:23:46,508 --> 00:23:49,386 It becomes save the animals. 507 00:23:49,386 --> 00:23:53,140 Okay, great, but if you're gonna say it's 508 00:23:53,140 --> 00:23:57,519 because God wants us to, that's a doctrine of devils. 509 00:23:57,519 --> 00:23:59,438 - [Congregant] That's right. 510 00:23:59,438 --> 00:24:03,150 - [Kip] But when we reached out to the bigger megachurches, 511 00:24:03,150 --> 00:24:05,277 everyone refused an interview. 512 00:24:06,153 --> 00:24:09,030 (dramatic music) 513 00:24:09,030 --> 00:24:10,282 So it's January 19th 514 00:24:10,282 --> 00:24:13,118 and this drone has been outside the window 515 00:24:13,118 --> 00:24:15,954 for about six of the last 10 nights, just hovering. 516 00:24:17,205 --> 00:24:18,331 What's going on? 517 00:24:18,331 --> 00:24:21,126 Ever since we began investigating this topic, 518 00:24:21,126 --> 00:24:24,254 I started seeing drones outside my window. 519 00:24:24,254 --> 00:24:25,964 February 24th. 520 00:24:25,964 --> 00:24:28,717 And feeling I was being watched and followed. 521 00:24:28,717 --> 00:24:32,220 It's been about 15 of the last 20 days now. 522 00:24:32,220 --> 00:24:33,930 There's a drone again. 523 00:24:33,930 --> 00:24:35,974 I don't know what's going on. 524 00:24:35,974 --> 00:24:37,225 As all this was happening, 525 00:24:37,225 --> 00:24:39,936 we wondered if Christianity had any ties 526 00:24:39,936 --> 00:24:41,730 with animal agriculture. 527 00:24:41,730 --> 00:24:44,649 It turns out several fast food chains, like Chick-fil-A 528 00:24:44,649 --> 00:24:47,027 and In-N-Out Burger, are openly Christian 529 00:24:47,027 --> 00:24:50,822 and even have secret Bible verses hidden in their packaging. 530 00:24:50,822 --> 00:24:53,408 And the president of Kam's church, the SBC, 531 00:24:53,408 --> 00:24:55,619 which is the largest Christian organization 532 00:24:55,619 --> 00:24:59,080 behind the Vatican, had ties to the founder of Chick-fil-A 533 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,707 and Tyson Foods. 534 00:25:00,707 --> 00:25:02,626 - We're about a $40 billion company. 535 00:25:03,501 --> 00:25:06,004 Beef is about 40% of our sales, chicken's about 30. 536 00:25:06,004 --> 00:25:08,757 - Can we just lay our hands towards these two brothers? 537 00:25:08,757 --> 00:25:10,592 Let's just pray for them. 538 00:25:10,592 --> 00:25:11,509 (haunting music) 539 00:25:11,509 --> 00:25:12,344 ♪ You my Chick-fil-A ♪ 540 00:25:12,344 --> 00:25:15,305 - [Kip] And the SBC recently posted a video 541 00:25:15,305 --> 00:25:17,599 on respecting animals. - And I think 542 00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:19,893 non-human animals merit our serious attention. 543 00:25:19,893 --> 00:25:22,187 They're also vulnerable, they're also voiceless. 544 00:25:22,187 --> 00:25:23,980 - [Kip] But then immediately deleted it 545 00:25:23,980 --> 00:25:27,400 with an apology saying it didn't align with their mission. 546 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,778 Then when the same producer made a video 547 00:25:29,778 --> 00:25:31,947 on what would Jesus eat, 548 00:25:31,947 --> 00:25:34,658 the world's biggest factory farm lobby group, 549 00:25:34,658 --> 00:25:38,203 the Animal Agriculture Alliance, retaliated with a book 550 00:25:38,203 --> 00:25:42,666 called "What Would Jesus Really Eat" on their homepage. 551 00:25:42,666 --> 00:25:45,919 (ominous music) 552 00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:47,420 - [Interviewer] So did you pull down the video 553 00:25:47,420 --> 00:25:50,131 on animal ethics because you received funding 554 00:25:50,131 --> 00:25:53,468 from Tyson Foods or you have close ties 555 00:25:53,468 --> 00:25:54,719 to the industry or dining? 556 00:25:54,719 --> 00:25:57,556 - There's no connection, there's no corporate connection. 557 00:25:57,556 --> 00:25:58,557 I mean, there's no pressure to do it. 558 00:25:58,557 --> 00:26:01,351 It's just this is we're following our mission, you know? 559 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,395 So, 560 00:26:05,814 --> 00:26:07,816 - And the mission is? - The mission is 561 00:26:07,816 --> 00:26:11,611 to help equip Christians to live, to apply the gospel 562 00:26:11,611 --> 00:26:13,238 to moral and ethical issues. 563 00:26:14,406 --> 00:26:16,908 I think I have to take this. 564 00:26:16,908 --> 00:26:19,160 (phone ringing) 565 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,328 So, 566 00:26:20,328 --> 00:26:22,706 (dramatic music) 567 00:26:22,706 --> 00:26:23,540 (phone ringing) 568 00:26:23,540 --> 00:26:25,125 It's very clear throughout the scripture 569 00:26:25,125 --> 00:26:27,127 that humans have a higher place 570 00:26:27,127 --> 00:26:29,045 in God's hierarchy than animals. 571 00:26:29,045 --> 00:26:32,882 Furthermore, God has given human beings a mandate to rule. 572 00:26:34,050 --> 00:26:35,802 - People often say, ah, 573 00:26:35,802 --> 00:26:38,096 but Andrew, human beings are made in the image 574 00:26:38,096 --> 00:26:39,597 of God and they're given dominion. 575 00:26:39,597 --> 00:26:41,099 - And God said, let them have dominion 576 00:26:41,099 --> 00:26:42,809 over the fish of the sea, and over the birds 577 00:26:42,809 --> 00:26:44,352 of the heavens, and over the livestock. 578 00:26:44,352 --> 00:26:48,189 - Dominion is power to control or dispose of 579 00:26:48,189 --> 00:26:49,691 at your discretion. 580 00:26:49,691 --> 00:26:54,613 - Because God has given us dominion over the earth 581 00:26:54,613 --> 00:26:57,032 and over all the beasts of the earth. 582 00:26:57,032 --> 00:26:59,409 They're ours to do with as we see fit. 583 00:26:59,409 --> 00:27:03,246 - [Kip[ Yet researching dominion's original translation, 584 00:27:03,246 --> 00:27:05,915 we were surprised to learn that dominion actually means 585 00:27:05,915 --> 00:27:09,586 to serve in stewardship for others as God does over us 586 00:27:09,586 --> 00:27:11,379 or as parents do with their children. 587 00:27:11,379 --> 00:27:14,341 - So the word that's been used is stewardship, 588 00:27:14,341 --> 00:27:16,551 being the leader, the guide, 589 00:27:16,551 --> 00:27:20,096 the superintendent in a responsible way. 590 00:27:20,096 --> 00:27:23,141 - Dominion simply means that we have a responsibility 591 00:27:23,141 --> 00:27:26,561 to look after the created order. 592 00:27:26,561 --> 00:27:29,481 In other words, we are the servant species, 593 00:27:29,481 --> 00:27:31,608 not the master species. 594 00:27:31,608 --> 00:27:32,942 (dramatic music) 595 00:27:32,942 --> 00:27:35,528 - [Kip] The true translation of dominion reminded me 596 00:27:35,528 --> 00:27:38,031 of compassion for others in Buddhism, 597 00:27:38,031 --> 00:27:39,991 reflected in the first precept 598 00:27:39,991 --> 00:27:42,452 to not kill any sentient being, 599 00:27:42,452 --> 00:27:44,788 which is why it was difficult to understand 600 00:27:44,788 --> 00:27:47,374 how the Dalai Lama could eat meat. 601 00:27:47,374 --> 00:27:50,043 So we found some Buddhist monks to talk to, 602 00:27:50,043 --> 00:27:52,837 including a professor of animal law. 603 00:27:52,837 --> 00:27:54,047 - There is no Buddhist way to kill 604 00:27:54,047 --> 00:27:55,090 an animal and eat an animal. 605 00:27:55,090 --> 00:27:56,508 Buddhists wouldn't do that. 606 00:27:56,508 --> 00:27:59,344 The Buddha at the time was very critical 607 00:27:59,344 --> 00:28:01,930 of animal sacrifice in India. 608 00:28:01,930 --> 00:28:03,515 The Buddha therefore urged compassion 609 00:28:03,515 --> 00:28:06,101 towards all sentient beings. 610 00:28:06,101 --> 00:28:07,769 - Part of the vows is to not kill, 611 00:28:08,645 --> 00:28:10,188 to not kill, period. 612 00:28:10,188 --> 00:28:12,482 If we've had previous lives, all the living beings 613 00:28:12,482 --> 00:28:15,402 that we see today at some point have taken care of us. 614 00:28:15,402 --> 00:28:17,362 You're killing your mother. 615 00:28:17,362 --> 00:28:19,322 - If I'm out in the woods, 616 00:28:19,322 --> 00:28:21,157 I'm in the death valley or something, 617 00:28:22,450 --> 00:28:24,369 and there's a rabbit that shows up 618 00:28:24,369 --> 00:28:29,374 and I haven't eaten for three days, seven days, two weeks, 619 00:28:29,624 --> 00:28:33,628 I will not be able to actually throw a stick, 620 00:28:33,628 --> 00:28:36,339 a pebble at the rabbit to kill it 621 00:28:36,339 --> 00:28:38,091 in order for me to sustain my life. 622 00:28:39,217 --> 00:28:41,469 I can't, I will die. 623 00:28:41,469 --> 00:28:43,513 That's what the Buddha teaches. 624 00:28:43,513 --> 00:28:45,974 - [Interviewer] So the vow to not kill means a Buddhist 625 00:28:45,974 --> 00:28:46,975 can never eat animals. 626 00:28:46,975 --> 00:28:48,727 - No, I cannot say never. 627 00:28:48,727 --> 00:28:51,604 Buying and and killing is not the same thing. 628 00:28:51,604 --> 00:28:53,857 - No? - No, there isn't killing. 629 00:28:53,857 --> 00:28:54,941 - There's no killing. - There isn't. 630 00:28:54,941 --> 00:28:57,610 As far as Buddhism is concerned, it's not. 631 00:28:58,486 --> 00:28:59,863 - In the 21st century, 632 00:28:59,863 --> 00:29:01,865 we know that all animals that are served up 633 00:29:01,865 --> 00:29:03,366 and bought at supermarkets are killed 634 00:29:03,366 --> 00:29:06,327 for the specific purpose of eating, for being consumed. 635 00:29:06,327 --> 00:29:07,996 Therefore, the question becomes, 636 00:29:07,996 --> 00:29:12,000 does the person incur the karma of some participation 637 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,837 in that industrial killing machine by consuming the food? 638 00:29:15,837 --> 00:29:18,590 The answer is probably some degree of yes. 639 00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:20,550 But because karma is intention 640 00:29:20,550 --> 00:29:23,344 and this person has not had the intention to kill, 641 00:29:23,344 --> 00:29:25,346 but the intention to consume an animal 642 00:29:25,346 --> 00:29:27,724 that has already been killed, the karmic weight 643 00:29:27,724 --> 00:29:30,935 of the eating of the meat is very different, it's lighter. 644 00:29:30,935 --> 00:29:34,731 For example, if someone invites me to a meal 645 00:29:34,731 --> 00:29:39,611 and they serve a chicken or some meat, then I will eat it. 646 00:29:39,611 --> 00:29:42,489 - (chuckles) Well, as an example, I'm staying 647 00:29:42,489 --> 00:29:44,699 with some friends of mine in San Francisco 648 00:29:44,699 --> 00:29:48,912 and they had two sausages that they were gonna put in pasta 649 00:29:49,996 --> 00:29:51,998 and they asked me to cut the skin off the sausage. 650 00:29:51,998 --> 00:29:53,750 So anyway, I cut the skin off the sausages 651 00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:56,294 and had dinner with them. 652 00:29:56,294 --> 00:29:57,670 - [Interviewer] Couldn't this pig have been one 653 00:29:57,670 --> 00:30:00,131 of your parents from a past life? 654 00:30:00,131 --> 00:30:02,008 - It couldn't have been, it was. 655 00:30:02,008 --> 00:30:03,259 - [Interviewer] And you still ate it? 656 00:30:03,259 --> 00:30:05,178 - I ate it and was really good too. 657 00:30:07,096 --> 00:30:10,934 - The host and the comfort of the host has precedence 658 00:30:10,934 --> 00:30:12,185 over the fact that this animal's 659 00:30:12,185 --> 00:30:13,811 been killed sometime before. 660 00:30:13,811 --> 00:30:16,022 - [Interviewer] Well, what if a Buddhist is at a buffet 661 00:30:16,022 --> 00:30:17,941 and they can serve themselves? 662 00:30:17,941 --> 00:30:20,485 - The way you do that at a buffet is very different 663 00:30:20,485 --> 00:30:21,861 to the way you do it at a private dinner party. 664 00:30:21,861 --> 00:30:23,530 - [Interviewer] So like the buffet here, 665 00:30:23,530 --> 00:30:26,074 a Buddhist would never choose any animal products. 666 00:30:26,074 --> 00:30:27,200 - Yeah, that's right. 667 00:30:30,036 --> 00:30:32,497 - [Interviewer] So if a Buddhist chooses to eat meat, 668 00:30:32,497 --> 00:30:34,040 who's the animal killed for? 669 00:30:35,166 --> 00:30:37,669 - It's killed for the individuals who actually 670 00:30:38,795 --> 00:30:41,589 had the intention of killing the animal. 671 00:30:41,589 --> 00:30:44,467 - Well, why did they kill it? - For the money. 672 00:30:44,467 --> 00:30:46,803 - [Interviewer] And whose money did they take? 673 00:30:46,803 --> 00:30:49,472 - The consumer's. - And who's that? 674 00:30:49,472 --> 00:30:50,431 - Not just me. 675 00:30:51,975 --> 00:30:52,809 (bell ringing) 676 00:30:52,809 --> 00:30:54,310 - [Kip] It seemed in today's times, 677 00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:56,229 the subtleties and interpretations 678 00:30:56,229 --> 00:30:59,315 of the first precepts were difficult to navigate. 679 00:30:59,315 --> 00:31:01,442 So we wanted to go back to the root 680 00:31:01,442 --> 00:31:02,944 of Buddhism and speak to one 681 00:31:02,944 --> 00:31:06,322 of the highest-ranking Buddhist monks, the Karmapa. 682 00:31:06,322 --> 00:31:09,284 - [Interviewer] How does a Buddhist compassionately kill 683 00:31:09,284 --> 00:31:10,994 or eat animals? 684 00:31:12,036 --> 00:31:12,871 - [Translator] There is no Buddhist way 685 00:31:12,871 --> 00:31:14,581 to kill compassionately 686 00:31:14,581 --> 00:31:16,374 because we view all sentient beings 687 00:31:16,374 --> 00:31:18,334 as being like our father and mother. 688 00:31:19,836 --> 00:31:22,213 We have to consider it like eating our parents. 689 00:31:23,131 --> 00:31:25,133 And that is really quite difficult to do. 690 00:31:25,133 --> 00:31:26,759 (dramatic music) 691 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:28,469 - [Kip] We learned another reason it was difficult 692 00:31:28,469 --> 00:31:31,598 for Buddhists to eat meat is because during Buddha's time, 693 00:31:31,598 --> 00:31:34,517 Hindu Brahmans were sacrificing animals like priests 694 00:31:34,517 --> 00:31:36,436 were during Jesus's time. 695 00:31:36,436 --> 00:31:39,772 And according to some traditions, to save the animals, 696 00:31:39,772 --> 00:31:42,025 Buddha offered his own life instead 697 00:31:42,025 --> 00:31:45,153 It was surprising to learn Hindu Brahmans were ever 698 00:31:45,153 --> 00:31:48,031 killing animals because Hinduism is known 699 00:31:48,031 --> 00:31:51,034 as a vegetarian religion whose God Krishna reveres 700 00:31:51,034 --> 00:31:52,911 cows as sacred and holy. 701 00:31:52,911 --> 00:31:56,831 So on our quest to find a spiritual way to kill an animal, 702 00:31:56,831 --> 00:31:59,042 we never thought to look into Hinduism 703 00:31:59,042 --> 00:32:02,462 for the answer until 704 00:32:02,462 --> 00:32:04,380 - Now this is a big breaking news that is coming in 705 00:32:04,380 --> 00:32:07,300 of the government has decided to ban the slaughter 706 00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:10,386 of cattle across the country. 707 00:32:10,386 --> 00:32:12,138 - [Newscaster] The Modi government's decision to ban 708 00:32:12,138 --> 00:32:15,099 the slaughter has sparked a widespread outrage. 709 00:32:15,099 --> 00:32:18,102 - [Reporter] It's all begun with activists protesting 710 00:32:18,102 --> 00:32:20,605 to shut down Nepal's Gadhimai Festival, 711 00:32:20,605 --> 00:32:22,690 the world's largest animal sacrifice. 712 00:32:22,690 --> 00:32:24,067 - [Kip] We couldn't understand, 713 00:32:24,067 --> 00:32:26,110 how are they banning slaughtering cows in India 714 00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:28,863 if we thought they didn't kill their holy cows? 715 00:32:28,863 --> 00:32:31,532 We found a local animal activist to explain 716 00:32:31,532 --> 00:32:32,825 what was going on. 717 00:32:32,825 --> 00:32:34,661 - There are more cows killed here than anywhere else 718 00:32:34,661 --> 00:32:36,287 in the world and no one knows it. 719 00:32:37,330 --> 00:32:39,082 It's our country's biggest conspiracy. 720 00:32:39,082 --> 00:32:40,959 (haunting music) 721 00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:43,294 It is very dangerous, but you have to help us 722 00:32:43,294 --> 00:32:44,921 make this international news. 723 00:32:45,963 --> 00:32:47,590 - The cow, which is revered in India, 724 00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:50,635 is now smuggled across the border, trafficked from India, 725 00:32:50,635 --> 00:32:55,264 - By the alleged illegal beef mafia. 726 00:32:55,264 --> 00:32:56,641 These illegal beef smugglers 727 00:32:56,641 --> 00:32:58,893 terrorize a society of people. 728 00:32:58,893 --> 00:33:01,062 We will track the story very closely. 729 00:33:01,062 --> 00:33:02,647 Many thanks for joining us here. 730 00:33:02,647 --> 00:33:03,731 - [Newscaster] Disturbing news, the cow mafia 731 00:33:03,731 --> 00:33:07,819 has struck again, targeting animal rights activists. 732 00:33:07,819 --> 00:33:10,989 The mafia has started to (radio crackles) 733 00:33:10,989 --> 00:33:13,116 - [Kip] When we arrived, Altab had tracked 734 00:33:13,116 --> 00:33:15,743 a cow smuggling truck seemingly headed 735 00:33:15,743 --> 00:33:17,912 for the Gadhimai animal sacrifice. 736 00:33:17,912 --> 00:33:20,665 - [Walkie] A cow smuggler has been identified, 737 00:33:20,665 --> 00:33:22,000 headed for the border. 738 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,043 Estimated cargo:v70 cows. 739 00:33:24,043 --> 00:33:27,005 We need photo confirmation To turn into the police. 740 00:33:27,005 --> 00:33:30,008 (tense music) 741 00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:32,593 (engine revving) 742 00:33:32,593 --> 00:33:36,597 - [Walkie] Get visual proof that there are cows in the truck. 743 00:33:36,597 --> 00:33:38,516 - They're pulling over. 744 00:33:39,642 --> 00:33:41,185 - [Walkie] Careful, they may be armed. 745 00:33:41,185 --> 00:33:43,646 (tense music continues) (group murmuring) 746 00:33:43,646 --> 00:33:45,356 (door rattling) 747 00:33:45,356 --> 00:33:48,526 - [Kam] This is super illegal. 748 00:33:48,526 --> 00:33:51,195 - Let them pass and we can, here we go. Click it! 749 00:33:51,195 --> 00:33:53,781 (horn blaring) 750 00:33:55,533 --> 00:33:56,951 (tense music) 751 00:33:56,951 --> 00:33:58,411 - [Walkie] 7 miles to the the border, 752 00:33:58,411 --> 00:33:59,996 you must get it now! 753 00:34:00,872 --> 00:34:03,791 - Get the drone, get the drone. 754 00:34:03,791 --> 00:34:04,917 - [Kip] Here it is, here it is. 755 00:34:04,917 --> 00:34:07,336 Go, go, up, up, up, let's go. - Left, left. 756 00:34:07,336 --> 00:34:09,797 (tense music continues) 757 00:34:09,797 --> 00:34:12,467 (camera clicking) 758 00:34:12,467 --> 00:34:15,052 (somber music) 759 00:34:16,220 --> 00:34:17,638 - [Kip] We reported the smuggling 760 00:34:17,638 --> 00:34:20,683 of the 70 stuffed cows to the police. 761 00:34:20,683 --> 00:34:23,728 But surprisingly, they turned us away. 762 00:34:26,898 --> 00:34:29,567 for smuggling arms, explosives, drugs, 763 00:34:29,567 --> 00:34:31,110 and most of all, cattle. 764 00:34:31,110 --> 00:34:34,447 All of it is done with the complicity of the police 765 00:34:34,447 --> 00:34:35,490 and border security forces. 766 00:34:35,490 --> 00:34:37,575 - [Kip] In the meantime, we had to figure out 767 00:34:37,575 --> 00:34:40,745 where all these smuggled cows were coming from. 768 00:34:40,745 --> 00:34:45,041 Altab sent us undercover to find the surprising answer. 769 00:34:45,041 --> 00:34:48,920 (In Hindi) No cameras allowed! 770 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,671 - So they don't want women to see this 771 00:34:50,671 --> 00:34:52,173 because there can be problem. 772 00:34:52,173 --> 00:34:55,176 - We use only the security camera, the spy camera. 773 00:34:57,470 --> 00:34:59,138 We have to blur out this guy's face 774 00:34:59,138 --> 00:35:00,431 if we're gonna shoot here, 775 00:35:00,431 --> 00:35:02,767 otherwise they're going to kill him. 776 00:35:02,767 --> 00:35:05,436 (flies buzzing) 777 00:35:07,230 --> 00:35:08,731 - [Kip] Even though this was actually better 778 00:35:08,731 --> 00:35:10,858 than most dairy farms in the West, 779 00:35:10,858 --> 00:35:14,112 there were still many similarities, like how each cow 780 00:35:14,112 --> 00:35:17,240 is artificially inseminated to become pregnant. 781 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:20,076 Then after birth, her newborn is placed next to the mother 782 00:35:20,076 --> 00:35:23,162 until she starts milking, then taken away. 783 00:35:23,162 --> 00:35:25,540 If her newborn is male, he's useless. 784 00:35:25,540 --> 00:35:27,125 So in India, he's tied 785 00:35:27,125 --> 00:35:29,043 outside in the sun and starved to death 786 00:35:29,043 --> 00:35:31,295 since Hindus aren't allowed to kill cows, 787 00:35:31,295 --> 00:35:32,755 whereas every other dairy farm 788 00:35:32,755 --> 00:35:34,841 around the world kills them for veal. 789 00:35:34,841 --> 00:35:37,552 Then the mother is injected with oxytocin, 790 00:35:37,552 --> 00:35:39,595 which tricks the cows to contracting 791 00:35:39,595 --> 00:35:41,556 as if she's having another baby, 792 00:35:41,556 --> 00:35:44,433 thus causing her to release milk more rapidly. 793 00:35:44,433 --> 00:35:48,187 Females repeat this cycle, three to four more pregnancies. 794 00:35:48,187 --> 00:35:49,981 - And what happens after that? - They die. 795 00:35:49,981 --> 00:35:51,107 They say they die naturally after that. 796 00:35:51,107 --> 00:35:53,192 - [Kip] How do they die naturally? 797 00:35:53,192 --> 00:35:55,319 (rancher speaking in foreign language) 798 00:35:55,319 --> 00:35:56,404 - Once they stop giving milk, 799 00:35:56,404 --> 00:35:58,447 then they are sent to slaughter. 800 00:35:58,447 --> 00:36:02,785 - [Kip] So all these holy dairy cows are sent to slaughter? 801 00:36:02,785 --> 00:36:03,619 (rancher speaking in foreign language) 802 00:36:03,619 --> 00:36:04,996 - Yes. - Yes. 803 00:36:04,996 --> 00:36:06,581 (cows mooing) 804 00:36:06,581 --> 00:36:07,623 - It's true. 805 00:36:07,623 --> 00:36:09,792 We are the biggest exporters of beef shamefully. 806 00:36:09,792 --> 00:36:13,504 It's very difficult to make people who drink milk understand 807 00:36:13,504 --> 00:36:14,881 that the meat industry 808 00:36:14,881 --> 00:36:18,009 and leather is fed into by the dairy industry. 809 00:36:18,843 --> 00:36:20,052 - All the dairy cows 810 00:36:20,052 --> 00:36:23,181 and dairy buffaloes end up as leather. 811 00:36:23,181 --> 00:36:24,599 - Yes. - Of course. 812 00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:26,184 Mammary glands. 813 00:36:26,184 --> 00:36:28,769 (somber music) 814 00:36:31,355 --> 00:36:33,524 Fucking shit (coughs) 815 00:36:33,524 --> 00:36:36,903 - [Maneka] Leather is made killing lots of people. 816 00:36:36,903 --> 00:36:38,946 The poorest of the poor work in them 817 00:36:38,946 --> 00:36:40,448 'cause they're paid almost nothing. 818 00:36:40,448 --> 00:36:43,367 They stand in chemicals the whole day curing the leather. 819 00:36:43,367 --> 00:36:45,536 And most of them have not only skin diseases, 820 00:36:45,536 --> 00:36:46,954 but cancer of everything. 821 00:36:46,954 --> 00:36:49,790 And all the leather chemicals are thrown into the rivers. 822 00:36:50,666 --> 00:36:52,752 - [Kip] And where does all the chemicals go? 823 00:36:54,128 --> 00:36:55,421 - It's going to the Ganges. 824 00:36:55,421 --> 00:36:58,633 - [Kip] The Ganges, the sacred Ganges River? 825 00:36:58,633 --> 00:36:59,467 Isn't that bad? 826 00:37:00,968 --> 00:37:03,221 - No, no, no, Ganges are very big. 827 00:37:05,348 --> 00:37:07,183 - [Kip] And what is the spiritual community 828 00:37:07,183 --> 00:37:08,434 doing about this? 829 00:37:08,434 --> 00:37:10,519 - Just increasing it, increasing the export. 830 00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:11,896 All across the world, 831 00:37:11,896 --> 00:37:14,398 this industry operates on the base of guns. 832 00:37:14,398 --> 00:37:17,860 Political support, media support, both of them manipulated 833 00:37:17,860 --> 00:37:20,905 with money and backed by religious feelings. 834 00:37:20,905 --> 00:37:22,740 - [Interviewer] But don't Hindu scriptures 835 00:37:22,740 --> 00:37:24,242 encourage consuming dairy? 836 00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:26,369 - All rubbish. - Many scriptures 837 00:37:26,369 --> 00:37:28,996 have been really tampered with, 838 00:37:28,996 --> 00:37:32,625 verses have been inserted, parts have been deleted 839 00:37:32,625 --> 00:37:36,003 because man wanted to use the scripture 840 00:37:36,003 --> 00:37:38,047 for his own convenience. 841 00:37:38,047 --> 00:37:40,508 - [Kip] And it wasn't just Hindu scripts whose texts 842 00:37:40,508 --> 00:37:42,843 were being brought into question. 843 00:37:42,843 --> 00:37:43,678 Altab told us, 844 00:37:43,678 --> 00:37:45,930 - Islam wants you to protect the environment. 845 00:37:45,930 --> 00:37:49,100 God says in the Quran that I have made human 846 00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:51,060 the guardian of the planet. 847 00:37:51,060 --> 00:37:52,812 - [Kip] Altab told us that Islamic scripture states 848 00:37:52,812 --> 00:37:55,690 that the prophet Muhammad was appalled with the ills 849 00:37:55,690 --> 00:37:58,859 of Meccan society at the time, including the sacrifice 850 00:37:58,859 --> 00:38:00,820 of animals made to idols. 851 00:38:00,820 --> 00:38:02,613 This drove him out of the city where he entered 852 00:38:02,613 --> 00:38:04,824 the Cave of Hira, which is where he received 853 00:38:04,824 --> 00:38:08,035 the first revelation of the Quran from the angel Gabriel. 854 00:38:08,035 --> 00:38:10,788 (dramatic music) 855 00:38:12,873 --> 00:38:15,293 Later that night, activists tracked down 856 00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:18,045 another cow smuggling truck. 857 00:38:18,045 --> 00:38:20,840 (engines rumbling) 858 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,342 (cows mooing) 859 00:38:25,928 --> 00:38:29,807 This time, the cows were rescued and sent to a sanctuary. 860 00:38:31,350 --> 00:38:33,894 (somber music) 861 00:38:35,104 --> 00:38:37,565 - My grandfather started the first dairy farm in India. 862 00:38:37,565 --> 00:38:40,067 There was no organized dairy before then. 863 00:38:40,067 --> 00:38:41,485 - [Kip] Do you drink dairy yourself? 864 00:38:41,485 --> 00:38:42,611 - No, no. - No, why? 865 00:38:45,448 --> 00:38:47,616 - Because it's unnecessary. 866 00:38:47,616 --> 00:38:50,619 It doesn't do anything for us and it's cruel. 867 00:38:50,619 --> 00:38:53,748 The meat industry is just a conspiracy of silence. 868 00:38:53,748 --> 00:38:55,624 Nobody talks about it, nobody shows it. 869 00:38:55,624 --> 00:38:57,960 - [Interviewer] Do you consider yourself a spiritual person? 870 00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,879 - No. - No, no. 871 00:38:59,879 --> 00:39:03,758 - I believe that doing is better than praying. 872 00:39:03,758 --> 00:39:06,510 (dramatic music) 873 00:39:08,888 --> 00:39:11,682 - [Kip] Before leaving India, we gave one final attempt 874 00:39:11,682 --> 00:39:13,184 to interview the Dalai Lama. 875 00:39:19,398 --> 00:39:22,568 Just after, though, he made an official statement that said 876 00:39:22,568 --> 00:39:25,196 it's all right to have meat of dead animals 877 00:39:25,196 --> 00:39:27,364 that's not slaughtered for meat. 878 00:39:27,364 --> 00:39:30,034 We couldn't figure out how that was possible. 879 00:39:30,034 --> 00:39:33,871 But on the way home, Kam realized he had a Christian friend 880 00:39:33,871 --> 00:39:36,123 who was famous for eating animals 881 00:39:36,123 --> 00:39:38,292 who weren't slaughtered for meat. 882 00:39:39,668 --> 00:39:40,544 (logo squishes) 883 00:39:40,544 --> 00:39:42,380 - Hey, welcome to "Food for Louis." 884 00:39:42,380 --> 00:39:45,091 We're gonna continue with the the roadkill series 885 00:39:45,091 --> 00:39:48,260 and we've stumbled across a fox. 886 00:39:48,260 --> 00:39:49,595 Oh yeah, look at that meat. 887 00:39:53,849 --> 00:39:56,936 I started YouTube back in 2012 with a channel, 888 00:39:56,936 --> 00:40:01,899 "Food for Louis," where I just kind of pushed the limits of, 889 00:40:01,899 --> 00:40:05,528 I guess, what it meant to be a carnivore in its rawest form, 890 00:40:05,528 --> 00:40:09,115 eating roadkill, squirrels, pigeons and rabbits. 891 00:40:09,115 --> 00:40:10,533 But there was one thing I did 892 00:40:10,533 --> 00:40:14,078 which really just got me in a lot of trouble. 893 00:40:14,078 --> 00:40:17,081 I'm gonna be eating my goldfish. 894 00:40:17,081 --> 00:40:18,332 That caused uproar. 895 00:40:18,332 --> 00:40:20,376 All the national papers were printing 896 00:40:20,376 --> 00:40:21,877 massive articles on it. 897 00:40:21,877 --> 00:40:24,004 Seven of my videos got taken down. 898 00:40:24,004 --> 00:40:28,509 I was the number one-wanted person from the RSPCA. 899 00:40:28,509 --> 00:40:30,845 Friends from church were really worried 900 00:40:30,845 --> 00:40:32,721 and they said we'd love to pray for you, 901 00:40:32,721 --> 00:40:34,056 we think you need help. 902 00:40:34,056 --> 00:40:36,600 - [Kip] People are gonna know you as a psychopath. 903 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,144 - I was like, can't you see this is 904 00:40:38,144 --> 00:40:40,271 just completely hypocritical that you're offering 905 00:40:40,271 --> 00:40:42,314 to pray for me and that you're worried about me 906 00:40:42,314 --> 00:40:45,985 and yet everybody in my church was happily eating 907 00:40:45,985 --> 00:40:48,779 hamburgers, and chicken, and fish, and everything 908 00:40:48,779 --> 00:40:50,990 and they just had no issue with that 909 00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:52,908 and didn't make the connection. 910 00:40:52,908 --> 00:40:56,036 - [Kip] Realizing how his church was morally all right 911 00:40:56,036 --> 00:40:58,247 with him eating certain animals 912 00:40:58,247 --> 00:41:01,458 but not others was a bit confusing 913 00:41:01,458 --> 00:41:05,171 and made us feel like we were in some sort of matrix. 914 00:41:05,171 --> 00:41:09,383 - So in the movie "The Matrix," the characters believed 915 00:41:09,383 --> 00:41:11,552 that they were living their lives freely, 916 00:41:11,552 --> 00:41:12,928 but really they weren't. 917 00:41:12,928 --> 00:41:15,931 All that they saw was an illusion that was created 918 00:41:15,931 --> 00:41:17,308 by this matrix. 919 00:41:17,308 --> 00:41:20,227 And we can see a similar mentality 920 00:41:20,227 --> 00:41:22,146 when it comes to eating animals. 921 00:41:22,146 --> 00:41:24,815 I refer to this as the the carnistic matrix. 922 00:41:24,815 --> 00:41:28,777 Carnism is the invisible dominant belief system woven 923 00:41:28,777 --> 00:41:32,156 through the very structure of society that conditions us 924 00:41:32,156 --> 00:41:35,409 to distort our perceptions of our behaviors 925 00:41:35,409 --> 00:41:37,912 and creates a gap in our consciousness. 926 00:41:37,912 --> 00:41:40,206 So we don't really realize what we're doing. 927 00:41:40,206 --> 00:41:43,292 Without awareness, there's no free choice. 928 00:41:43,292 --> 00:41:47,630 Carnism is why we are able to love dogs and certain animals 929 00:41:47,630 --> 00:41:51,091 and eat others and not recognize the contradictions, 930 00:41:51,091 --> 00:41:53,344 how they're not in alignment with our values. 931 00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:57,097 We don't make the connection between the meat, eggs, 932 00:41:57,097 --> 00:41:58,307 or dairy on our plate 933 00:41:58,307 --> 00:42:01,060 and the living individuals those foods once were. 934 00:42:01,936 --> 00:42:04,813 - Would you like give if someone ate you? 935 00:42:04,813 --> 00:42:05,981 (adult laughing) 936 00:42:05,981 --> 00:42:08,817 - No, I wouldn't. - Well then why should I 937 00:42:08,817 --> 00:42:12,321 eat this poor harmless animal (crying)? 938 00:42:12,321 --> 00:42:14,073 - [Adult] But do you understand what I'm saying? 939 00:42:14,073 --> 00:42:16,200 We didn't kill this animal. 940 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,660 It's good for your body. 941 00:42:17,660 --> 00:42:20,496 Jesus created animals for us to eat. 942 00:42:21,830 --> 00:42:23,916 - God has given those animals unto us. 943 00:42:23,916 --> 00:42:27,503 And this is, of course, where you'll have the sick people 944 00:42:27,503 --> 00:42:30,130 of the world, that are just twisted in their head 945 00:42:30,130 --> 00:42:32,591 because they don't have God and they don't know the Bible 946 00:42:32,591 --> 00:42:33,884 and they don't know the truth, 947 00:42:33,884 --> 00:42:37,596 who will elevate the status of an animal 948 00:42:37,596 --> 00:42:40,641 or of a beast to be that of a human being? 949 00:42:40,641 --> 00:42:43,811 - Let me just put this thing to bed once and for all. 950 00:42:43,811 --> 00:42:47,273 It was impossible to be a vegetarian in the Old Testament 951 00:42:47,273 --> 00:42:48,482 and be right with God. 952 00:42:48,482 --> 00:42:49,775 Could not do it. 953 00:42:50,651 --> 00:42:51,944 Impossible. 954 00:42:51,944 --> 00:42:54,780 Yes to meat, all meat, 955 00:42:57,199 --> 00:42:59,285 dog, cat, whatever. 956 00:42:59,285 --> 00:43:02,746 - [Interviewer] What if a host served Buddhist dog teat? 957 00:43:02,746 --> 00:43:05,165 - Why? - Would it be different? 958 00:43:05,165 --> 00:43:06,458 - Why would it be different? 959 00:43:06,458 --> 00:43:08,961 - [Interviewer] Oh, so a Buddhist would eat a dog? 960 00:43:09,878 --> 00:43:11,422 - Well, I wouldn't eat it. 961 00:43:11,422 --> 00:43:14,258 - [Interviewer] But wouldn't that offend the host? 962 00:43:14,258 --> 00:43:16,010 - What if they were serving a unicorn? 963 00:43:16,010 --> 00:43:18,637 I've never even heard of that situation occurring. 964 00:43:18,637 --> 00:43:20,848 - [Narrator] Today on the summer solstice began 965 00:43:20,848 --> 00:43:24,685 a week-long festival featuring dog served up as food. 966 00:43:24,685 --> 00:43:28,897 - People from all over Asia come to this city to eat dogs 967 00:43:28,897 --> 00:43:32,234 and we've rescued thousands and thousands of dogs. 968 00:43:32,234 --> 00:43:34,862 I started going undercover into these slaughterhouses. 969 00:43:34,862 --> 00:43:37,823 It was so shocking and so devastating 970 00:43:37,823 --> 00:43:40,326 and it's sad that pushed me towards making the connection 971 00:43:40,326 --> 00:43:44,163 that there's no difference between a cow, or a pig, 972 00:43:44,163 --> 00:43:46,457 or a sheep, or a dog. 973 00:43:46,457 --> 00:43:49,835 And a lot of people don't know, but I don't just do dogs, 974 00:43:49,835 --> 00:43:54,840 I go into pig slaughter houses and cow farms. 975 00:43:55,090 --> 00:43:59,345 But every time I rescue one, I saw myself dying there. 976 00:44:01,180 --> 00:44:02,014 Anyways, 977 00:44:04,391 --> 00:44:05,434 (grunts) sorry, 978 00:44:06,810 --> 00:44:08,020 messed up. 979 00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:09,813 (dogs barking) 980 00:44:09,813 --> 00:44:12,399 My belief in a religion died while I was there. 981 00:44:17,112 --> 00:44:18,822 There's no God on a kill floor. 982 00:44:20,783 --> 00:44:21,784 (dogs squealing) 983 00:44:21,784 --> 00:44:24,370 In that moment when an animal is being pushed 984 00:44:24,370 --> 00:44:25,913 to their death, there's no hope, 985 00:44:28,540 --> 00:44:29,500 there's no chance of a better life, 986 00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:33,087 there's no tomorrow, no divine intervention. 987 00:44:34,672 --> 00:44:37,174 (prod buzzes) 988 00:44:38,258 --> 00:44:40,761 (prod buzzes) 989 00:44:42,096 --> 00:44:45,766 (door sliding and rattling) 990 00:44:49,728 --> 00:44:52,481 (metal clanging) 991 00:44:54,483 --> 00:44:55,567 I don't know what I am now, 992 00:44:55,567 --> 00:45:00,322 but definitely not religious. 993 00:45:00,322 --> 00:45:02,658 I think we're living through the modern-day holocaust. 994 00:45:02,658 --> 00:45:07,663 I think that's atrocity of the 21st century, eating animals. 995 00:45:09,373 --> 00:45:11,959 (somber music) 996 00:45:13,419 --> 00:45:15,754 - The oppression has these qualities 997 00:45:15,754 --> 00:45:19,883 of both being very subtle and being universal. 998 00:45:19,883 --> 00:45:22,511 Well, the beginning of discrimination 999 00:45:22,511 --> 00:45:26,056 and oppression is first given to the child 1000 00:45:27,391 --> 00:45:29,309 when she asks, what am I eating? 1001 00:45:30,394 --> 00:45:32,187 - [Adult] We only eat turkeys. 1002 00:45:32,187 --> 00:45:33,063 - Why? 1003 00:45:33,063 --> 00:45:36,650 - And chicken, and pigs, and cows. 1004 00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:39,319 - But pigs are nice, and chickens are nice, 1005 00:45:39,319 --> 00:45:40,779 and cows are nice. 1006 00:45:40,779 --> 00:45:44,408 - And then it continues, it's similar living beings, 1007 00:45:44,408 --> 00:45:47,703 one should be cared for and the other must die. 1008 00:45:47,703 --> 00:45:51,290 And that's basically what happened to my family. 1009 00:45:51,290 --> 00:45:53,959 (bomb explodes) 1010 00:45:55,711 --> 00:45:58,464 After the war, eventually I went to work 1011 00:45:58,464 --> 00:46:03,093 for an environmental consulting firm at the slaughterhouse 1012 00:46:03,093 --> 00:46:06,430 and I was walking around taking notes 1013 00:46:06,430 --> 00:46:11,310 and I suddenly came across piles of heads, hearts, 1014 00:46:11,310 --> 00:46:14,271 hooves, and animal bodies. 1015 00:46:14,271 --> 00:46:19,234 My first reaction was remembering the body parts 1016 00:46:19,234 --> 00:46:20,986 that I saw in Auschwitz, 1017 00:46:20,986 --> 00:46:24,281 the Jewish victims, the members of my own family 1018 00:46:24,281 --> 00:46:26,742 that perished in those camps. 1019 00:46:26,742 --> 00:46:30,245 The use of cattle cars to transport my people 1020 00:46:30,245 --> 00:46:32,080 to the death camps, 1021 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:36,335 the housing in tight wooden crates, 1022 00:46:36,335 --> 00:46:40,255 and identifying the victims by a number, 1023 00:46:40,255 --> 00:46:44,301 the deception so that people outside the walls 1024 00:46:44,301 --> 00:46:47,012 didn't really know what was going on. 1025 00:46:47,012 --> 00:46:50,891 The famous Nobel Laureate Isaac Bashevis Singer said 1026 00:46:50,891 --> 00:46:55,229 that for the animals, all men are Nazis, 1027 00:46:55,229 --> 00:46:59,274 and for the animals life is an eternal Treblinka. 1028 00:47:00,484 --> 00:47:02,945 - [Kip] It felt uncomfortable to compare the holocaust 1029 00:47:02,945 --> 00:47:04,488 to killing animals. 1030 00:47:04,488 --> 00:47:07,741 But Alex told us that the word holocaust originally referred 1031 00:47:07,741 --> 00:47:11,286 to a Jewish animal sacrifice barbecued on the altar, 1032 00:47:11,286 --> 00:47:13,747 a common practice from the temple that Jesus called 1033 00:47:13,747 --> 00:47:16,959 the den of thieves, which developed into the system 1034 00:47:16,959 --> 00:47:18,126 of spiritually raising 1035 00:47:18,126 --> 00:47:21,004 and killing animals for food known as kosher. 1036 00:47:22,005 --> 00:47:24,550 We realized we had to visit a kosher farm 1037 00:47:24,550 --> 00:47:26,927 to see if perhaps this was the spiritual way 1038 00:47:26,927 --> 00:47:29,012 to raise and kill animals. 1039 00:47:29,012 --> 00:47:32,975 But interestingly, every farm turned us down for a visit. 1040 00:47:32,975 --> 00:47:35,853 So we linked up with an Israeli undercover activist 1041 00:47:35,853 --> 00:47:37,729 who got us into what she called one 1042 00:47:37,729 --> 00:47:40,858 of the best kosher farms around. 1043 00:47:40,858 --> 00:47:41,733 (dramatic music) 1044 00:47:41,733 --> 00:47:43,569 It wasn't what we expected. 1045 00:47:43,569 --> 00:47:45,279 - Something is wrong with them. 1046 00:47:45,279 --> 00:47:47,155 It's a lot of suffering 1047 00:47:47,155 --> 00:47:50,617 with tumors, with pus from their eyes. 1048 00:47:50,617 --> 00:47:53,453 The rabbi will explain you that is culture, 1049 00:47:53,453 --> 00:47:55,664 that we can all eat him 1050 00:47:55,664 --> 00:47:59,209 because it doesn't affect nothing. 1051 00:47:59,209 --> 00:48:01,336 - They just waiting to the slaughter. 1052 00:48:01,336 --> 00:48:03,672 In age one years old, they still baby, 1053 00:48:04,715 --> 00:48:06,008 so this is all their life. 1054 00:48:06,008 --> 00:48:10,262 They just sitting on the shit, 1055 00:48:10,262 --> 00:48:12,097 a lot of disease and sick. 1056 00:48:12,097 --> 00:48:13,432 See what they're doing. 1057 00:48:13,432 --> 00:48:14,516 (somber music) (cows mooing) 1058 00:48:14,516 --> 00:48:19,271 - We are eating energy of misery, and suffering, 1059 00:48:19,271 --> 00:48:21,815 and a lot of pain. 1060 00:48:21,815 --> 00:48:25,193 And it's get inside of us. 1061 00:48:25,193 --> 00:48:27,446 Their suffering is so big really. 1062 00:48:28,322 --> 00:48:30,657 And they're kind and they're beautiful 1063 00:48:31,617 --> 00:48:33,493 and they don't deserve it. 1064 00:48:33,493 --> 00:48:36,580 (birds chirping) (cows mooing) 1065 00:48:36,580 --> 00:48:39,124 - [Kip] Kosher farming didn't seem any different 1066 00:48:39,124 --> 00:48:41,043 but Tall took us to a rabbi 1067 00:48:41,043 --> 00:48:43,420 who has killed over a million animals 1068 00:48:43,420 --> 00:48:46,715 to see if the kosher killing is what made it spiritual. 1069 00:49:01,313 --> 00:49:03,982 - I can show you a video 1070 00:49:03,982 --> 00:49:05,859 - [Narrator] For kosher, you first take the cow 1071 00:49:05,859 --> 00:49:07,486 into the machine, stop up the neck, 1072 00:49:07,486 --> 00:49:09,780 and rotate the body 180 degrees. 1073 00:49:09,780 --> 00:49:11,031 Then the throat is slit. 1074 00:49:11,031 --> 00:49:13,283 The cow is hung upside down to drain the blood. 1075 00:49:13,283 --> 00:49:15,369 This is not to be confused with halal, 1076 00:49:15,369 --> 00:49:16,995 the Islamic interpretation, 1077 00:49:16,995 --> 00:49:19,790 which requires only rotating the cow 90 degrees, 1078 00:49:19,790 --> 00:49:22,417 facing the cow, saying Allah Akbar, praise God, 1079 00:49:22,417 --> 00:49:24,961 before slitting the throat and hanging upside down. 1080 00:49:24,961 --> 00:49:27,381 These methods are intended to reduce suffering. 1081 00:49:27,381 --> 00:49:29,466 - Like this, ah ha, one, two. 1082 00:49:29,466 --> 00:49:31,051 That's all, okay. 1083 00:49:31,051 --> 00:49:33,553 This is good for anyone. 1084 00:49:33,553 --> 00:49:37,599 - You seen the movies, everything is so clean 1085 00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:40,143 and how they have this slaughter box, 1086 00:49:40,143 --> 00:49:43,772 and with this music, it's not like this at all. 1087 00:49:43,772 --> 00:49:46,650 They can see everything, they can hear everything. 1088 00:49:46,650 --> 00:49:48,068 They smell the blood. 1089 00:49:48,068 --> 00:49:51,238 It's just, it's like a massacre. 1090 00:49:51,238 --> 00:49:53,490 And with a lot of violence, this is it, 1091 00:49:53,490 --> 00:49:55,575 it's a violent thing to do. 1092 00:49:55,575 --> 00:49:58,328 (dramatic music) 1093 00:50:09,423 --> 00:50:12,300 - Well I just caught a flashback, 1094 00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:17,305 (workers exclaiming) (metal rattling) 1095 00:50:19,057 --> 00:50:21,810 I saw the suffering in their eyes. 1096 00:50:21,810 --> 00:50:24,479 That was the first time I saw an animal cry. 1097 00:50:24,479 --> 00:50:26,523 (dramatic music continues) 1098 00:50:26,523 --> 00:50:29,276 Then I said to myself, this is really terrible. 1099 00:50:31,278 --> 00:50:33,113 There's no kosher in Israel. 1100 00:50:33,113 --> 00:50:35,323 What do you mean by kosher? 1101 00:50:35,323 --> 00:50:36,158 There is none. 1102 00:50:39,286 --> 00:50:41,872 - [Kip] Not feeling kosher was any more spiritual, 1103 00:50:41,872 --> 00:50:45,667 we wanted to see if humane slaughter was the answer. 1104 00:50:45,667 --> 00:50:49,838 And we found a certified grade A humane slaughterhouse 1105 00:50:49,838 --> 00:50:51,506 in Kam's hometown. 1106 00:50:52,507 --> 00:50:54,468 - Hey, nuh uh, y'all can't be here. 1107 00:50:54,468 --> 00:50:56,344 Y'all need to back up now. 1108 00:50:56,344 --> 00:50:57,637 Y'all need to back up. (siren blaring) 1109 00:50:57,637 --> 00:50:59,681 - [Kip] They really didn't want anyone 1110 00:50:59,681 --> 00:51:01,475 to see what's going on in there, 1111 00:51:01,475 --> 00:51:03,560 especially how slaughterhouses 1112 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,939 use ex-prisoners on parole to kill the animals. 1113 00:51:07,939 --> 00:51:10,817 - Don't take no pictures of me, man, I'm on federal papers, 1114 00:51:10,817 --> 00:51:13,737 man, don't take no pictures. 1115 00:51:13,737 --> 00:51:17,574 - They kill at least about two, 3,000 cows a day. 1116 00:51:17,574 --> 00:51:19,868 That's a lot of killing and a lot of blood going on. 1117 00:51:19,868 --> 00:51:22,287 80 hours a week, might even work more. 1118 00:51:22,287 --> 00:51:24,081 It's really mentally disturbing. 1119 00:51:24,081 --> 00:51:26,500 Sometimes you can have nightmares just dreaming 1120 00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:28,585 about slaughtering and all that. 1121 00:51:28,585 --> 00:51:31,463 And there's always possibilities that you might just snap. 1122 00:51:31,463 --> 00:51:33,507 85% of 'em have been in prison. 1123 00:51:33,507 --> 00:51:35,217 It's just really a bad idea for a person 1124 00:51:35,217 --> 00:51:37,260 that's been locked up for a long time. 1125 00:51:37,260 --> 00:51:40,472 And you carry knives and blood everywhere, 1126 00:51:40,472 --> 00:51:42,265 killing them cows or being around it. 1127 00:51:42,265 --> 00:51:44,351 - And these workers have the highest rates 1128 00:51:44,351 --> 00:51:47,187 of worker injuries and among the highest rates of suicide, 1129 00:51:47,187 --> 00:51:50,065 and drug addiction, and alcoholism, and spousal abuse. 1130 00:51:50,065 --> 00:51:51,900 And so they go back after work 1131 00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:55,028 and take out on others or on themselves, the frustrations 1132 00:51:55,028 --> 00:51:58,323 and misery that they're inflicting on other living beings. 1133 00:51:58,323 --> 00:51:59,866 - [Interviewer] What if all the killings too much 1134 00:51:59,866 --> 00:52:01,910 and you just can't do it? 1135 00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:04,704 - They give you a job, you have no choice but to work it. 1136 00:52:04,704 --> 00:52:06,123 You have to do what they tell you to do 1137 00:52:06,123 --> 00:52:07,958 and if you don't, they send you back. 1138 00:52:08,959 --> 00:52:11,002 - Back where? - Get sent back to prison. 1139 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,422 - [Kip] We found out that many slaughterhouse workers 1140 00:52:14,422 --> 00:52:16,299 are either prisoners on parole 1141 00:52:16,299 --> 00:52:18,051 or immigrants that are forced to work 1142 00:52:18,051 --> 00:52:22,597 under these conditions for as low as 93 cents per day, 1143 00:52:22,597 --> 00:52:26,726 which makes this essentially slave labor with PTSD. 1144 00:52:28,353 --> 00:52:31,690 - The model for slavery actually begins with, again, 1145 00:52:31,690 --> 00:52:34,484 animal domesticators in the ancient Middle East. 1146 00:52:34,484 --> 00:52:37,070 And the next form of it becomes human slavery 1147 00:52:37,070 --> 00:52:39,781 when females and children were traded 1148 00:52:39,781 --> 00:52:41,741 among the early herdspeople. 1149 00:52:41,741 --> 00:52:45,328 - You look at slavery, you look at indentured servants 1150 00:52:45,328 --> 00:52:46,997 as children, you look at a lot of things that used 1151 00:52:46,997 --> 00:52:49,624 to be normal, certain things that we used to do 1152 00:52:49,624 --> 00:52:52,252 that now we would look at and say, oh no, that's terrible. 1153 00:52:52,252 --> 00:52:54,838 As we evolve, they fall away. 1154 00:52:54,838 --> 00:52:56,506 We can eat them, we can do whatever we want to do 1155 00:52:56,506 --> 00:52:57,716 with them because they're just animals. 1156 00:52:57,716 --> 00:53:00,385 And that was the same rationalization 1157 00:53:00,385 --> 00:53:01,803 that people used for slavery. 1158 00:53:01,803 --> 00:53:04,181 These people aren't human, they have dark skins. 1159 00:53:04,181 --> 00:53:07,184 This is a woman, she's not totally human, she's a woman. 1160 00:53:07,184 --> 00:53:08,894 We can do whatever we wanna do with her. 1161 00:53:08,894 --> 00:53:11,646 - Anybody who says we've gotta deal 1162 00:53:11,646 --> 00:53:14,649 with the human issues first, doesn't understand 1163 00:53:14,649 --> 00:53:18,236 how animal oppression is informing human oppression. 1164 00:53:18,236 --> 00:53:20,530 The oppression of animals is intensifying 1165 00:53:20,530 --> 00:53:21,990 the oppression of women. 1166 00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:24,743 In objectification, we no longer are in possession 1167 00:53:24,743 --> 00:53:26,870 of our own bodies and we see that in meat eating. 1168 00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:30,790 We say chicken wings, not a chicken's wing. 1169 00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:34,878 It's like leg of lamb, no, it's a lamb's leg. 1170 00:53:34,878 --> 00:53:37,172 Reinforcing the idea that someone's only, 1171 00:53:37,172 --> 00:53:39,841 you know, are you a breast man, are you a leg man, 1172 00:53:39,841 --> 00:53:43,178 an assemblage of body parts because body parts can't talk. 1173 00:53:43,178 --> 00:53:47,432 So when we construct humans as better than non-human animals 1174 00:53:47,432 --> 00:53:52,228 and then create oppressive systems, we are speciesist. 1175 00:53:52,228 --> 00:53:56,483 Speciesism is an oppression interlocking with racism, 1176 00:53:56,483 --> 00:54:01,237 sexism, they're all working together as oppressive systems. 1177 00:54:01,237 --> 00:54:03,990 - [Kip] Seeing how animal oppression is interconnected 1178 00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:07,118 with human oppression in this industrial system, 1179 00:54:07,118 --> 00:54:09,996 we wondered maybe the spiritual way to raise 1180 00:54:09,996 --> 00:54:12,457 and kill animals lied outside the system 1181 00:54:12,457 --> 00:54:15,335 in local free-range regenerative farms 1182 00:54:15,335 --> 00:54:16,878 that were getting so popular 1183 00:54:16,878 --> 00:54:19,089 with morally conscious meat eaters. 1184 00:54:19,089 --> 00:54:21,800 The most popular in the country is Polyface Farms, 1185 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,511 led by Christian Farmer Joel Salatin, 1186 00:54:24,511 --> 00:54:27,097 who says he kills animals on his farm 1187 00:54:27,097 --> 00:54:29,349 in a way he hopes Jesus would. 1188 00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:30,600 (dramatic music) 1189 00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,644 - Well, when the New York Times calls me a rebel 1190 00:54:32,644 --> 00:54:35,063 and an evangelist, yeah, I'm certainly an evangelist 1191 00:54:35,063 --> 00:54:38,650 because I'm preaching that this is actual food 1192 00:54:38,650 --> 00:54:40,026 and farming truth. 1193 00:54:40,026 --> 00:54:44,364 We believe in providing a habitat that allows the animal 1194 00:54:44,364 --> 00:54:48,284 to fully express its emotional distinctiveness. 1195 00:54:48,284 --> 00:54:49,661 - [Kam] Oh, in this cage? 1196 00:54:49,661 --> 00:54:53,581 - Just so you know, it's a shelter, it's a shelter. 1197 00:54:53,581 --> 00:54:57,544 Cage sounds restrictive. (chickens clucking) 1198 00:54:57,544 --> 00:54:58,378 Hi, ladies. 1199 00:54:59,504 --> 00:55:02,215 The pigs now, they're not just bacon and pork chop. 1200 00:55:02,215 --> 00:55:04,300 They actually become co-laborers 1201 00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:08,179 and fellow team players in this great healing ministry. 1202 00:55:08,179 --> 00:55:10,015 - [Kam] And their lifespan is how long? 1203 00:55:10,015 --> 00:55:10,890 - A pig would live, 1204 00:55:10,890 --> 00:55:12,100 I don't know how long a pig would live, 1205 00:55:12,100 --> 00:55:13,643 they'd live a long, long time. 1206 00:55:14,561 --> 00:55:19,274 But, we harvest them before they get old and tough. 1207 00:55:21,693 --> 00:55:23,194 - [Kam] When is old and tough? 1208 00:55:24,362 --> 00:55:25,572 - Six months. 1209 00:55:25,572 --> 00:55:26,489 How are you, pig? 1210 00:55:27,449 --> 00:55:29,200 Oh, it's just a good life, isn't it? 1211 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:30,702 Yeah, it's just a good life. 1212 00:55:30,702 --> 00:55:33,246 - [Kam] How do you think Jesus would kill an animal? 1213 00:55:33,246 --> 00:55:36,207 - Yeah, I certainly would hope 1214 00:55:36,207 --> 00:55:39,002 that he would kill an animal the way we do. 1215 00:55:39,002 --> 00:55:40,712 We call this the wheel of fortune. 1216 00:55:41,713 --> 00:55:46,259 If we put 'em in head first here, a hug if you will, 1217 00:55:46,259 --> 00:55:47,218 makes 'em quiet. 1218 00:55:48,928 --> 00:55:51,389 And then we slit their throat here 1219 00:55:52,474 --> 00:55:54,934 and then this is the automatic feather picker. 1220 00:55:54,934 --> 00:55:56,728 We pull the heads off and the feet off 1221 00:55:56,728 --> 00:55:58,772 and then they go into these chill vats. 1222 00:55:58,772 --> 00:56:01,524 So from kill to chill, it goes right along. 1223 00:56:01,524 --> 00:56:02,567 (dramatic music) 1224 00:56:02,567 --> 00:56:03,943 - [Kip] Are the pigs slaughtered here, as well? 1225 00:56:03,943 --> 00:56:06,738 - Pigs, cows, goat, sheep all have 1226 00:56:06,738 --> 00:56:07,989 to go to a slaughterhouse. 1227 00:56:07,989 --> 00:56:09,991 - [Kam] So the chicken's the only one processed here. 1228 00:56:09,991 --> 00:56:12,577 - And rabbits. - And rabbits, got it. 1229 00:56:13,495 --> 00:56:14,579 So tell me what you're doing. 1230 00:56:14,579 --> 00:56:16,331 - [Worker] I'm gonna stun it first. 1231 00:56:24,506 --> 00:56:25,924 - Now what does this mean if you stun? 1232 00:56:25,924 --> 00:56:27,842 - Stun it, then it's not feeling anything. 1233 00:56:27,842 --> 00:56:30,804 It's unconscious, so it's way more humane. 1234 00:56:30,804 --> 00:56:32,472 - We now have a lot of people 1235 00:56:32,472 --> 00:56:34,391 who kill animals every single day. 1236 00:56:34,391 --> 00:56:36,351 And it's just not good for your psyche. 1237 00:56:38,478 --> 00:56:41,523 - [Kip] This didn't feel like what Jesus would do. 1238 00:56:41,523 --> 00:56:44,192 And we found out there were further impacts 1239 00:56:44,192 --> 00:56:47,112 from these free-range, grass-fed farms 1240 00:56:47,112 --> 00:56:49,656 beyond just killing farm animals. 1241 00:56:49,656 --> 00:56:51,574 - Every time you eat a free-range 1242 00:56:51,574 --> 00:56:54,786 or a grass-fed animal, you're contributing 1243 00:56:54,786 --> 00:56:56,704 to the killing of other animals 1244 00:56:56,704 --> 00:56:58,748 because farmers have to kill other animals 1245 00:56:58,748 --> 00:57:01,000 that compete for the cows' land, 1246 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,545 wolves, bears, hawks, and eagles. 1247 00:57:03,545 --> 00:57:07,006 - The hawks and eagles need to be reduced. 1248 00:57:09,217 --> 00:57:11,052 - This is devastating to wildlife. 1249 00:57:11,052 --> 00:57:14,639 It's devastating to the Amazon Forest, the Chaco Forest. 1250 00:57:14,639 --> 00:57:16,975 They're on fire right now, why? 1251 00:57:16,975 --> 00:57:20,603 To clear for pastures to grow grass-fed meat. 1252 00:57:20,603 --> 00:57:23,440 (somber music) 1253 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,109 Every second an acre of rainforest 1254 00:57:26,109 --> 00:57:28,653 is cleared partly for grass-fed beef, 1255 00:57:28,653 --> 00:57:32,532 but mostly to grow soy to feed livestock around the world. 1256 00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:35,285 And this is wiping out the forest, 1257 00:57:35,285 --> 00:57:37,662 it's wiping out the precious medicinal plants, 1258 00:57:37,662 --> 00:57:41,666 they contain the amazing diversity of animal life. 1259 00:57:41,666 --> 00:57:43,668 It's forcing indigenous tribes 1260 00:57:43,668 --> 00:57:45,879 to live homeless on city streets. 1261 00:57:45,879 --> 00:57:49,632 And their wisdom also is now at risk of extinction. 1262 00:57:49,632 --> 00:57:52,343 (dramatic music) 1263 00:58:19,746 --> 00:58:21,456 - [Interviewer] What if you pray or give thanks 1264 00:58:21,456 --> 00:58:23,249 for the animal before you eat them? 1265 00:58:35,136 --> 00:58:37,889 - [Kip] With all this killing and environmental destruction 1266 00:58:37,889 --> 00:58:40,808 even regenerative animal farming causes, 1267 00:58:40,808 --> 00:58:43,770 maybe hunting wild and free animals 1268 00:58:43,770 --> 00:58:46,731 is the ethical way to kill an animal. 1269 00:58:46,731 --> 00:58:47,732 (gun shoots) And Kam said he 1270 00:58:47,732 --> 00:58:50,610 actually belonged to a Christian youth hunting club 1271 00:58:50,610 --> 00:58:52,320 that did just that. 1272 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,572 (somber music) 1273 00:58:54,572 --> 00:58:57,492 (group murmuring) 1274 00:58:57,492 --> 00:58:59,118 - Lord, in the name of your son Jesus, 1275 00:58:59,118 --> 00:59:01,579 send us some deer, whether you'd stir 'em up, 1276 00:59:01,579 --> 00:59:05,041 get 'em moving, help us to be successful shots 1277 00:59:05,041 --> 00:59:08,378 for you, while being humane 100%. 1278 00:59:08,378 --> 00:59:10,713 In Jesus's name, men. - Amen. 1279 00:59:12,006 --> 00:59:15,093 - My heart was beating fast. 1280 00:59:15,093 --> 00:59:16,261 He was like, there's a deer. 1281 00:59:16,261 --> 00:59:21,266 When I grabbed the gun I was just like, oh, it's here. 1282 00:59:21,307 --> 00:59:24,310 (somber music continues) 1283 00:59:24,310 --> 00:59:26,437 - Wait 'til he gets broadside, 1284 00:59:26,437 --> 00:59:27,814 and then I want you to put a bullet 1285 00:59:27,814 --> 00:59:29,524 right behind his shoulder. 1286 00:59:32,819 --> 00:59:36,990 (gun shoots) (somber music continues) 1287 00:59:36,990 --> 00:59:39,867 - [Logan] When I saw the deer dead, I felt like, 1288 00:59:42,745 --> 00:59:45,873 well I felt, I don't know how to explain it, 1289 00:59:45,873 --> 00:59:48,543 just kind of bad. 1290 00:59:48,543 --> 00:59:52,130 But he got the blood from where I shot the deer 1291 00:59:53,881 --> 00:59:56,301 and put a mark on each side. 1292 00:59:56,301 --> 00:59:59,596 - And you cannot wipe it off until tomorrow morning. 1293 00:59:59,596 --> 01:00:00,930 - [Logan] That's kind of weird. 1294 01:00:00,930 --> 01:00:02,765 Then he told me that, 1295 01:00:03,641 --> 01:00:05,727 - And this is the initiation 1296 01:00:05,727 --> 01:00:08,938 Logan, there's a tradition. - And it was just a tradition. 1297 01:00:08,938 --> 01:00:10,273 - In our ministry. - Yeah, 1298 01:00:12,025 --> 01:00:13,443 I just went along with it. 1299 01:00:15,194 --> 01:00:17,196 - Lord, I just come to you this morning. 1300 01:00:18,156 --> 01:00:20,700 I just want to thank you for the deer 1301 01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:22,869 that you've allowed us to harvest. 1302 01:00:22,869 --> 01:00:27,290 Thank you for allowing Logan to give that deer a clean shot. 1303 01:00:27,290 --> 01:00:30,376 And we just want to thank you this morning for a good hunt. 1304 01:00:32,003 --> 01:00:34,505 - [Logan] At the time, I was just really excited 1305 01:00:34,505 --> 01:00:36,924 and my adrenaline was rushing 1306 01:00:36,924 --> 01:00:38,551 and I was just like, yay, I killed it. 1307 01:00:38,551 --> 01:00:42,013 And then after I was like, dang, 1308 01:00:45,850 --> 01:00:49,062 I really just killed an animal. 1309 01:00:49,062 --> 01:00:50,355 I don't know how to explain it. 1310 01:00:50,355 --> 01:00:53,775 (somber music continues) 1311 01:00:55,485 --> 01:00:57,945 When I saw the calf, they used his (whispers), 1312 01:00:59,238 --> 01:01:01,074 it was kind of cute. 1313 01:01:01,074 --> 01:01:04,077 It reminded me of the deer really, 1314 01:01:06,412 --> 01:01:10,208 because it wasn't really that much of a size difference. 1315 01:01:11,417 --> 01:01:15,463 They're both beautiful animals. 1316 01:01:15,463 --> 01:01:17,840 So that's basically how I feel. 1317 01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,842 - [Interviewer] Was that your first one or? 1318 01:01:21,177 --> 01:01:23,388 - Act like you're happy about it. 1319 01:01:23,388 --> 01:01:28,393 (group laughing) (somber music continues) 1320 01:01:30,103 --> 01:01:31,896 - Growing up I was always trying to be macho. 1321 01:01:31,896 --> 01:01:33,064 I was trying to be tough. 1322 01:01:33,064 --> 01:01:34,857 That's probably when I was most desperate in my life 1323 01:01:34,857 --> 01:01:36,651 to be heard, to be someone, 1324 01:01:36,651 --> 01:01:38,403 to have some sort of authority. 1325 01:01:38,403 --> 01:01:41,531 And I chose to try and do that by exploiting something. 1326 01:01:41,531 --> 01:01:43,908 The alpha males wanna be more alpha, so they look for things 1327 01:01:43,908 --> 01:01:45,993 that we can grab onto and say, fuck, you know, I'm bigger, 1328 01:01:45,993 --> 01:01:48,746 I'm stronger, beat the chest type thing. 1329 01:01:48,746 --> 01:01:50,123 So I was basically being a bully man. 1330 01:01:50,123 --> 01:01:51,290 I wasn't even being a bully 1331 01:01:51,290 --> 01:01:52,750 to something that could fight back. 1332 01:01:52,750 --> 01:01:55,545 I was being a bully to something that I was standing 1333 01:01:55,545 --> 01:01:58,965 50 or 100 meters away from shooting with a rifle. 1334 01:01:58,965 --> 01:02:00,758 And I suppose that's one of the reasons 1335 01:02:00,758 --> 01:02:02,009 I joined the military. 1336 01:02:02,009 --> 01:02:03,970 'Cause it wasn't sport running around out there hunting 1337 01:02:03,970 --> 01:02:06,305 something that couldn't fight back. 1338 01:02:06,305 --> 01:02:09,600 - In primitive societies, because we hunted other animals, 1339 01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,603 it fostered the use of tools and technology 1340 01:02:12,603 --> 01:02:14,731 and the development of weapons. 1341 01:02:14,731 --> 01:02:17,024 So there was a lot of fighting going on 1342 01:02:17,024 --> 01:02:19,569 among people that kept herds. 1343 01:02:19,569 --> 01:02:23,072 - Herding animals was a direct cause of the first wars 1344 01:02:23,072 --> 01:02:26,284 and the ancient word for war from Sanskrit, 1345 01:02:26,284 --> 01:02:29,787 gavia, it comes from the ancient word go, which means cow. 1346 01:02:29,787 --> 01:02:32,498 So war was the desire for more cows. 1347 01:02:32,498 --> 01:02:34,083 It was a way to increase wealth. 1348 01:02:34,083 --> 01:02:36,544 So we had the arising of war and slavery. 1349 01:02:36,544 --> 01:02:38,588 We had the arising of a wealthy elite class 1350 01:02:38,588 --> 01:02:40,339 and we had the arising of religions 1351 01:02:40,339 --> 01:02:44,135 that enabled the fundamental foundation of the society 1352 01:02:44,135 --> 01:02:46,679 that we live in, which is owning animals as property 1353 01:02:46,679 --> 01:02:49,390 for food and routinely and relentlessly 1354 01:02:49,390 --> 01:02:50,766 killing them and eating them. 1355 01:02:50,766 --> 01:02:54,353 - Meat is so identified with patriarchal ethics, 1356 01:02:54,353 --> 01:02:55,980 the ends justifying the means 1357 01:02:55,980 --> 01:02:58,733 and violence as a way of having pleasure. 1358 01:02:58,733 --> 01:03:02,778 We see it in ads that tell men to eat meat. 1359 01:03:02,778 --> 01:03:05,072 ♪ Oh yes, I'm a guy ♪ 1360 01:03:05,072 --> 01:03:07,074 ♪ I will eat this meat ♪ 1361 01:03:07,074 --> 01:03:09,786 - [Announcer] Eat like a man, man. 1362 01:03:09,786 --> 01:03:12,872 - This desperate masculinity, trying not to be vulnerable, 1363 01:03:12,872 --> 01:03:15,333 so exploiting something that is vulnerable. 1364 01:03:15,333 --> 01:03:17,126 After Iraq, I never hunted again 1365 01:03:17,126 --> 01:03:19,545 and whatever was in my system was out 1366 01:03:19,545 --> 01:03:21,130 'cause you know what it's like to be hunted. 1367 01:03:21,130 --> 01:03:22,465 And once you're put in the other position, 1368 01:03:22,465 --> 01:03:23,841 hey, the tables turn. 1369 01:03:25,301 --> 01:03:28,095 - [Kip] And the tables were turning on our quest, as well. 1370 01:03:28,095 --> 01:03:30,181 Learning of all this war, disparity, 1371 01:03:30,181 --> 01:03:32,683 and oppression, seemingly rooted from temples 1372 01:03:32,683 --> 01:03:35,102 becoming slaughterhouses brought us back 1373 01:03:35,102 --> 01:03:37,688 to what did Jesus do in the temple he called 1374 01:03:37,688 --> 01:03:41,442 the den of thieves that led to his crucifixion. 1375 01:03:41,442 --> 01:03:44,529 And we had a strong inclination that finding out the truth 1376 01:03:44,529 --> 01:03:47,824 to this Nazareth mystery may somehow be connected 1377 01:03:47,824 --> 01:03:51,035 to Jesus's motive for cleansing the temple. 1378 01:03:51,035 --> 01:03:54,789 But we didn't know where to look until 1379 01:03:54,789 --> 01:03:57,792 - Dead Sea Scrolls rises back to life again 1380 01:03:57,792 --> 01:04:01,170 with new findings leading to possible scroll connections. 1381 01:04:01,170 --> 01:04:03,965 Archeologists and antiquities excavators are returning 1382 01:04:03,965 --> 01:04:06,801 to the original site of the finding of the Dead Sea Scrolls 1383 01:04:06,801 --> 01:04:09,637 in the Qumran Cave area of the West Bank. 1384 01:04:09,637 --> 01:04:12,557 - [Kip] These scrolls were hidden by the church for decades 1385 01:04:12,557 --> 01:04:14,684 until archeologist Robert Eisenman 1386 01:04:14,684 --> 01:04:16,811 daringly released them to the public. 1387 01:04:16,811 --> 01:04:19,188 And it just so happened he lived only miles 1388 01:04:19,188 --> 01:04:20,398 down the road from us. 1389 01:04:20,398 --> 01:04:22,733 So we packed our cameras to see if he knew 1390 01:04:22,733 --> 01:04:24,569 what Nazareth really meant. 1391 01:04:26,112 --> 01:04:31,117 Why can we find no solid historical record of Nazareth? 1392 01:04:31,158 --> 01:04:34,120 - Nazareth is not a town that we can chronicle 1393 01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,289 in Palestine from the known sources. 1394 01:04:36,289 --> 01:04:39,959 The term Jesus of Nazareth was originally based 1395 01:04:39,959 --> 01:04:43,296 in the Hebrew to describe not where he came from, 1396 01:04:43,296 --> 01:04:47,550 but what he was, Jesus the Nasaraean, 1397 01:04:47,550 --> 01:04:51,220 which is a movement that opposed in the temple, 1398 01:04:51,220 --> 01:04:54,098 which had been put in place by the Romans. 1399 01:04:54,098 --> 01:04:57,059 - [Kip] So you're saying it's not about where he's from. 1400 01:04:57,977 --> 01:05:02,023 - [Robert] It's not where he is from, it's who he is. 1401 01:05:02,023 --> 01:05:04,775 (dramatic music) 1402 01:05:06,152 --> 01:05:08,779 - [Kip] Apparently this Nasaraean movement 1403 01:05:08,779 --> 01:05:11,282 against the temple was well documented 1404 01:05:11,282 --> 01:05:14,702 in historical records even before Jesus. 1405 01:05:14,702 --> 01:05:16,162 And we wondered, 1406 01:05:16,162 --> 01:05:17,788 - [Interviewer] Did these Nasaraeans 1407 01:05:17,788 --> 01:05:20,708 ever kill or eat animals? 1408 01:05:20,708 --> 01:05:23,502 - I don't think killing was part of any 1409 01:05:23,502 --> 01:05:27,381 of these righteous ones lives, though I'm not a vegetarian, 1410 01:05:27,381 --> 01:05:28,966 but I don't do the killing myself 1411 01:05:28,966 --> 01:05:31,969 so I can avoid any responsibility in my own own mind, 1412 01:05:31,969 --> 01:05:33,596 but it's hypocrisy obviously. 1413 01:05:33,596 --> 01:05:37,516 Still, I don't think people like James, or Jesus, 1414 01:05:37,516 --> 01:05:39,769 or those kind of righteous ones killed 1415 01:05:39,769 --> 01:05:42,396 any animals If they could avoid it 1416 01:05:42,396 --> 01:05:44,106 And I don't think they would've. 1417 01:05:44,106 --> 01:05:45,608 - [Interviewer] Not even for food? 1418 01:05:45,608 --> 01:05:46,734 - Well of course they didn't eat, 1419 01:05:46,734 --> 01:05:48,235 if they were weren't killing animals, 1420 01:05:48,235 --> 01:05:50,738 they weren't eating animals, that's obvious. 1421 01:05:50,738 --> 01:05:52,740 - [Kip] This wasn't obvious to us. 1422 01:05:52,740 --> 01:05:56,452 But Dr. Eisenman showed us that this Nasaraean movement 1423 01:05:56,452 --> 01:05:59,121 that Jesus seemed to be a part of would not 1424 01:05:59,121 --> 01:06:02,166 sacrifice animals or eat meat 1425 01:06:02,166 --> 01:06:05,336 because they differed from other movements at the time 1426 01:06:05,336 --> 01:06:09,006 by following the commandment thou shall not kill 1427 01:06:09,006 --> 01:06:10,967 to include animals. 1428 01:06:10,967 --> 01:06:13,719 - Seven-eighths of the people who deal with this material 1429 01:06:13,719 --> 01:06:15,846 and teach others who know nothing about it 1430 01:06:15,846 --> 01:06:17,431 are just repeating things 1431 01:06:17,431 --> 01:06:19,684 that they've been taught by other people. 1432 01:06:19,684 --> 01:06:23,521 Nothing that I learned was I taught by anyone else, period. 1433 01:06:23,521 --> 01:06:25,731 I was taught by the literature itself. 1434 01:06:25,731 --> 01:06:27,900 (dramatic music) 1435 01:06:27,900 --> 01:06:30,236 - So this guy keeps following me. 1436 01:06:30,236 --> 01:06:32,905 This is like the fourth time 1437 01:06:32,905 --> 01:06:34,865 I've seen this guy walking back. 1438 01:06:39,245 --> 01:06:40,079 What's up? 1439 01:06:45,126 --> 01:06:46,836 This is super sketch. 1440 01:06:46,836 --> 01:06:50,423 As things were ramping up, I hired a private investigator 1441 01:06:50,423 --> 01:06:53,467 to see if the industry or government was following me. 1442 01:06:55,386 --> 01:06:57,471 In the meantime, we felt we had 1443 01:06:57,471 --> 01:07:00,516 to find experts in the historical Jesus 1444 01:07:00,516 --> 01:07:02,143 and Nasaraean movement. 1445 01:07:03,060 --> 01:07:07,273 - What facts do we know about Jesus that all scholars, 1446 01:07:07,273 --> 01:07:08,858 Christians, and non-Christians 1447 01:07:08,858 --> 01:07:11,402 will all agree actually happened. 1448 01:07:11,402 --> 01:07:14,530 One is his baptism by John the Baptist, 1449 01:07:14,530 --> 01:07:17,074 the second is an incident in the temple, 1450 01:07:17,074 --> 01:07:19,785 and the third is his crucifixion. 1451 01:07:19,785 --> 01:07:22,246 John the Baptist is the leader 1452 01:07:22,246 --> 01:07:24,999 of the Jesus movement before Jesus. 1453 01:07:24,999 --> 01:07:28,419 The gospel of the Ebionites and Josephus both agree 1454 01:07:28,419 --> 01:07:31,547 that John the Baptist eats nothing but plant foods. 1455 01:07:31,547 --> 01:07:34,592 So John the Baptist certainly did not eat meat. 1456 01:07:34,592 --> 01:07:37,470 And Jesus and John the Baptist are cousins. 1457 01:07:37,470 --> 01:07:39,847 Jesus is simply carrying on the family tradition. 1458 01:07:39,847 --> 01:07:43,350 And all the people in this family seem to be vegetarian. 1459 01:07:43,350 --> 01:07:46,437 - Matthew is recorded as being a vegetarian. 1460 01:07:46,437 --> 01:07:49,065 Peter is recorded as being a vegetarian. 1461 01:07:49,065 --> 01:07:53,194 Epiphanius records that the whole Nasaraene movement 1462 01:07:53,194 --> 01:07:56,072 in the fourth century were vegetarian. 1463 01:07:56,072 --> 01:07:58,449 And when Epiphanius talked to one 1464 01:07:58,449 --> 01:08:00,993 of the Nasaraenes personally, 1465 01:08:00,993 --> 01:08:04,330 that Nasaraene said to the question from Epiphanius, 1466 01:08:04,330 --> 01:08:06,123 why are you a vegetarian? 1467 01:08:06,123 --> 01:08:07,708 The Nasaraene responded 1468 01:08:07,708 --> 01:08:11,378 because Jesus taught us to be vegetarians. 1469 01:08:11,378 --> 01:08:13,506 (dramatic music) 1470 01:08:13,506 --> 01:08:15,633 - Did Jesus eat animals? 1471 01:08:16,467 --> 01:08:17,301 Certainly ate fish. 1472 01:08:17,301 --> 01:08:18,594 - Do you wanna get really specific, 1473 01:08:18,594 --> 01:08:20,763 Peter and Jesus ate fish. 1474 01:08:20,763 --> 01:08:23,224 - Oh, the fish stories, yes. 1475 01:08:23,224 --> 01:08:26,018 Well, the problem with the fish stories about Jesus feeding 1476 01:08:26,018 --> 01:08:28,854 the 5,000 and the 4,000, the earliest references 1477 01:08:28,854 --> 01:08:31,941 describe the miracle of the loaves and the fishes 1478 01:08:31,941 --> 01:08:33,901 as the miracle of the loaves 1479 01:08:33,901 --> 01:08:36,028 without referencing the fishes at all. 1480 01:08:36,028 --> 01:08:38,906 And in fact, even Jesus's own retelling, he says, 1481 01:08:38,906 --> 01:08:40,783 don't you remember when I miraculously 1482 01:08:40,783 --> 01:08:42,409 multiplied all the loaves? 1483 01:08:42,409 --> 01:08:44,370 He doesn't mention the fish at all. 1484 01:08:44,370 --> 01:08:46,205 - [Kip] In these stories, the words used 1485 01:08:46,205 --> 01:08:49,208 for fish are actually a mistranslation, 1486 01:08:49,208 --> 01:08:52,545 like the Greek ichthus, which is also a secret symbol 1487 01:08:52,545 --> 01:08:57,174 for Jesus, and phosphagion, actually meaning a relish 1488 01:08:57,174 --> 01:08:59,468 or anything eaten on bread. 1489 01:08:59,468 --> 01:09:01,929 In another story in the gospel of John, 1490 01:09:01,929 --> 01:09:06,767 Jesus helps his disciples miraculously catch 153 fish, 1491 01:09:06,767 --> 01:09:09,103 but then tells them to follow him 1492 01:09:09,103 --> 01:09:11,689 and become fishers of men instead. 1493 01:09:11,689 --> 01:09:15,401 Nearly the exact same story is told 500 years earlier 1494 01:09:15,401 --> 01:09:18,070 by Pythagoras where he wages a bet 1495 01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:20,781 with some fishermen that if he's able to guess the number 1496 01:09:20,781 --> 01:09:23,450 of fish in their nets, they must release them. 1497 01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:24,618 They agree to the terms 1498 01:09:24,618 --> 01:09:26,620 and are shocked when Pythagoras guesses 1499 01:09:26,620 --> 01:09:28,330 the exact number of fish. 1500 01:09:28,330 --> 01:09:30,791 And the exact number in the Jesus story, 1501 01:09:30,791 --> 01:09:35,796 153, is the ratio height of the vesica piscis. 1502 01:09:35,796 --> 01:09:38,257 This symbol originated by Pythagoras, 1503 01:09:38,257 --> 01:09:39,758 who was a lifelong vegetarian 1504 01:09:39,758 --> 01:09:42,678 and fiercely against animal sacrifice. 1505 01:09:42,678 --> 01:09:46,181 - If we want to understand where Jesus came from, 1506 01:09:46,181 --> 01:09:48,934 we have to go back to the teachings of Pythagoras. 1507 01:09:48,934 --> 01:09:51,437 That is vegetarianism, pacifism, 1508 01:09:51,437 --> 01:09:54,064 and communalism, which became incorporated 1509 01:09:54,064 --> 01:09:57,484 in the Essene doctrine and the Nasaraean doctrine 1510 01:09:57,484 --> 01:09:58,569 that Jesus grew up in. 1511 01:09:58,569 --> 01:10:01,447 - ]Kip] And it turned out Pythagoras was a contemporary 1512 01:10:01,447 --> 01:10:03,824 of the Buddha and seeing Buddha was also 1513 01:10:03,824 --> 01:10:06,327 against animal sacrifice and trained in yoga, 1514 01:10:06,327 --> 01:10:08,537 we had to have a look. 1515 01:10:08,537 --> 01:10:13,208 - What yoga is is that union to the self. 1516 01:10:13,208 --> 01:10:16,629 There is a part of the life of all of us 1517 01:10:16,629 --> 01:10:19,882 that are in this room, including these two chihuahuas here 1518 01:10:19,882 --> 01:10:23,135 on my lap, which is the self that's within us all. 1519 01:10:23,135 --> 01:10:25,930 These girls are just driving Chihuahua bodies. 1520 01:10:25,930 --> 01:10:28,515 I just happen to be driving a human body. 1521 01:10:28,515 --> 01:10:30,726 No big difference (chuckles). 1522 01:10:30,726 --> 01:10:33,395 - The path is pretty clear to happiness. 1523 01:10:33,395 --> 01:10:35,147 Do everything you can 1524 01:10:35,147 --> 01:10:37,983 to enhance happiness in the lives of others. 1525 01:10:37,983 --> 01:10:42,488 The yamas are specific to how you should relate to others. 1526 01:10:42,488 --> 01:10:44,782 Basically, this is what the Buddha is teaching, 1527 01:10:44,782 --> 01:10:49,119 this is what Jesus is teaching, that we are all connected. 1528 01:10:49,119 --> 01:10:50,746 - [Kip] We had a revelation. 1529 01:10:50,746 --> 01:10:53,457 If you put yoga and Buddhism's precepts 1530 01:10:53,457 --> 01:10:55,334 and Christianity's, Islam's, 1531 01:10:55,334 --> 01:10:58,587 and Judaism's commandments side by side, 1532 01:10:58,587 --> 01:11:01,382 they're essentially the same thing 1533 01:11:01,382 --> 01:11:05,344 and all of them begin with not harming or killing others. 1534 01:11:05,344 --> 01:11:07,221 Yet all these religions seem 1535 01:11:07,221 --> 01:11:09,098 to contradict themselves when it came 1536 01:11:09,098 --> 01:11:10,933 to sacrificing animals. 1537 01:11:10,933 --> 01:11:13,227 Even Jesus calling the temple priests 1538 01:11:13,227 --> 01:11:16,063 a den of thieves rather than murderers 1539 01:11:16,063 --> 01:11:19,108 or killers seemed maybe he was more concerned 1540 01:11:19,108 --> 01:11:21,193 with the money than the killing. 1541 01:11:21,193 --> 01:11:23,821 So was animal sacrificed the answer of how 1542 01:11:23,821 --> 01:11:25,656 to spiritually kill animals? 1543 01:11:25,656 --> 01:11:28,492 If only we could travel back in time. 1544 01:11:28,492 --> 01:11:33,497 Maybe Jesus was all right with ceremonial animal sacrifice. 1545 01:11:33,664 --> 01:11:36,542 Just then, Altab sent us an email saying 1546 01:11:36,542 --> 01:11:39,128 that the world's largest animal sacrifice 1547 01:11:39,128 --> 01:11:41,714 at the Gadhimai temple was back on. 1548 01:11:41,714 --> 01:11:43,882 Despite the Supreme Court banning it, 1549 01:11:43,882 --> 01:11:46,927 trucks were continuing to smuggle thousands of cows 1550 01:11:46,927 --> 01:11:49,805 to be sacrificed by priests at the temple, 1551 01:11:49,805 --> 01:11:51,515 but there were activists trying 1552 01:11:51,515 --> 01:11:56,395 to shut the sacrifice down, led by activist Manoj Gautam. 1553 01:11:56,395 --> 01:11:59,773 - It looks like the Gadhimai sacrifices are back on. 1554 01:11:59,773 --> 01:12:01,900 The temple has gone back on their words. 1555 01:12:01,900 --> 01:12:05,529 And we only have 48 hours to knock the doors 1556 01:12:05,529 --> 01:12:07,448 of the Supreme Court back again. 1557 01:12:07,448 --> 01:12:09,700 And these 48 hours will be very crucial. 1558 01:12:09,700 --> 01:12:10,909 If you guys are thinking of coming, 1559 01:12:10,909 --> 01:12:12,369 this is the time, come now. 1560 01:12:12,369 --> 01:12:14,872 (tense music) 1561 01:12:20,044 --> 01:12:20,878 There you go, we just got a message. 1562 01:12:20,878 --> 01:12:21,879 It says there are already 1563 01:12:21,879 --> 01:12:24,923 900 buffalo calves already collected. 1564 01:12:24,923 --> 01:12:27,259 The time's running, the animal number is increasing 1565 01:12:27,259 --> 01:12:29,428 and it will increase as the time comes closer 1566 01:12:29,428 --> 01:12:30,554 to the commencement of the sacrifice. 1567 01:12:30,554 --> 01:12:32,639 But we barely have any time. 1568 01:12:32,639 --> 01:12:35,350 - [Kip] Manoj signed documents to take the temple committee 1569 01:12:35,350 --> 01:12:39,480 and government to Supreme Court to end the animal sacrifice. 1570 01:12:39,480 --> 01:12:41,106 (tense music continues) 1571 01:12:41,106 --> 01:12:42,691 - [Manoj] Yeah, so I've been working on this 1572 01:12:42,691 --> 01:12:46,070 for the past 11 years and I'd just like to see it done. 1573 01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:47,738 - [Kip] But his court request to stop 1574 01:12:47,738 --> 01:12:51,033 the temple sacrifice was denied. 1575 01:12:51,033 --> 01:12:52,076 - [Manoj] It looks like the government's 1576 01:12:52,076 --> 01:12:53,702 working in collusion with the temple committee. 1577 01:12:53,702 --> 01:12:56,288 Again, our hope lies in bringing it up to the attention 1578 01:12:56,288 --> 01:12:58,082 of the media with which we hope we 1579 01:12:58,082 --> 01:13:00,918 can still get to the sacrifice. 1580 01:13:00,918 --> 01:13:02,920 It's a question that media people like yourself 1581 01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:06,590 from Guardian should ask these government officials 1582 01:13:06,590 --> 01:13:08,801 what kind of society do you want to create? 1583 01:13:08,801 --> 01:13:10,052 What kind of religion? 1584 01:13:10,052 --> 01:13:13,097 What kind of religious practices do you want to create? 1585 01:13:13,097 --> 01:13:15,390 A practice of violence, practice of activists being killed? 1586 01:13:15,390 --> 01:13:16,350 I was recently attacked, 1587 01:13:16,350 --> 01:13:18,185 all they seek is my blood at this moment. 1588 01:13:18,185 --> 01:13:19,895 What more do they want, for me to die, 1589 01:13:19,895 --> 01:13:21,146 for me to be killed? 1590 01:13:21,146 --> 01:13:22,773 Do they want us to be crucified now? 1591 01:13:22,773 --> 01:13:23,941 I would like to repeat this. 1592 01:13:23,941 --> 01:13:26,110 Do they want us activists to be crucified? 1593 01:13:27,069 --> 01:13:29,279 In one of the Vedas that are the founding scriptures 1594 01:13:29,279 --> 01:13:32,491 of Hinduism, one says that if by killing animals, 1595 01:13:32,491 --> 01:13:35,411 if by consuming animals' tears and blood, 1596 01:13:35,411 --> 01:13:39,456 and by chopping off trees and destroying life forms, 1597 01:13:39,456 --> 01:13:41,875 one goes to heaven, then what is 1598 01:13:41,875 --> 01:13:43,335 the staircase to go to hell? 1599 01:13:43,335 --> 01:13:45,045 (ominous music) 1600 01:13:45,045 --> 01:13:47,464 - [Kip] Manoj was worried that he may be killed 1601 01:13:47,464 --> 01:13:48,924 if he went to Gadhimai. 1602 01:13:48,924 --> 01:13:52,261 So he asked if we could risk going as undercover press 1603 01:13:52,261 --> 01:13:55,806 to document if they sacrificed the animals or not. 1604 01:13:55,806 --> 01:13:59,309 We arrived amongst the sea of four million Hindu devotees 1605 01:13:59,309 --> 01:14:03,105 toting animals for sacrifice and Manoj connected us 1606 01:14:03,105 --> 01:14:06,525 to an undercover activist named DeepJay who was trying 1607 01:14:06,525 --> 01:14:09,570 to shut down the sacrifice at ground zero. 1608 01:14:09,570 --> 01:14:12,573 - There are some people from the Gadhimai Temple Committee 1609 01:14:12,573 --> 01:14:15,033 who would like us not to be here. 1610 01:14:18,287 --> 01:14:20,622 (ominous music continues) 1611 01:14:20,622 --> 01:14:23,542 - Do you think it's risky out there? 1612 01:14:23,542 --> 01:14:25,461 - Oh yeah, oh hell yeah. 1613 01:14:25,461 --> 01:14:27,629 The Temple Committee put the bounties on Manoj 1614 01:14:27,629 --> 01:14:31,049 and our heads if we come here to kill us. 1615 01:14:31,967 --> 01:14:35,554 Maybe now we should put the camera away from our face. 1616 01:14:35,554 --> 01:14:39,016 (ominous music continues) 1617 01:14:39,016 --> 01:14:41,852 (group murmuring) 1618 01:14:43,353 --> 01:14:46,064 This is the pit they have dog to bury all the heads 1619 01:14:46,064 --> 01:14:47,441 when they hack the animals. 1620 01:14:48,817 --> 01:14:50,527 - [Kip] We used fake press outfits 1621 01:14:50,527 --> 01:14:53,614 to get us into the private priest area, 1622 01:14:53,614 --> 01:14:56,492 where at 5:00 a.m. if the priest decides 1623 01:14:56,492 --> 01:15:01,079 to kill these first five animals, a cow, goat, pig, 1624 01:15:01,079 --> 01:15:04,875 chicken, and a rat, only then would the sacrifice 1625 01:15:04,875 --> 01:15:08,545 of the thousands of cows in the temple grounds will begin. 1626 01:15:08,545 --> 01:15:10,631 (dramatic music) (animals bleating) 1627 01:15:10,631 --> 01:15:13,800 - [Interviewer] So we heard the sacrifice might not happen? 1628 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,511 - They have not asked us to totally stop it 1629 01:15:16,511 --> 01:15:21,433 because this is related to our tradition and Hindu custom. 1630 01:15:22,434 --> 01:15:24,311 - [Interviewer] What do you say to someone who's in America 1631 01:15:24,311 --> 01:15:25,896 if they're saying this is wrong? 1632 01:15:27,314 --> 01:15:30,692 - Comparing the Christian, who followed the Thanksgiving, 1633 01:15:30,692 --> 01:15:33,487 there are billions of turkey 1634 01:15:33,487 --> 01:15:36,782 that was slaughtered like just a few months ago, 1635 01:15:36,782 --> 01:15:38,075 so it's their tradition. 1636 01:15:39,243 --> 01:15:40,911 It's ours as Hindus. 1637 01:15:42,621 --> 01:15:44,081 - All right, so it's past six. 1638 01:15:44,081 --> 01:15:45,249 An hour ago they were supposed 1639 01:15:45,249 --> 01:15:48,627 to kill the first five animals and they haven't done it yet. 1640 01:15:48,627 --> 01:15:51,296 (group clamoring) (drums beating) 1641 01:15:51,296 --> 01:15:54,132 (whistle blowing) 1642 01:15:54,132 --> 01:15:56,343 - [Kip] Soon after, the military showed up 1643 01:15:56,343 --> 01:15:58,595 to shut the sacrifice down 1644 01:16:00,931 --> 01:16:03,100 or so we thought. 1645 01:16:04,059 --> 01:16:09,064 (group clamoring) (dramatic music) 1646 01:16:27,457 --> 01:16:30,085 (dramatic music continues) 1647 01:16:30,085 --> 01:16:31,837 (group cheering) 1648 01:16:31,837 --> 01:16:36,842 (group clamoring) (whistles blowing) 1649 01:16:49,396 --> 01:16:50,647 And that's when it hit us, 1650 01:16:50,647 --> 01:16:53,025 this felt like a glimpse into what was happening 1651 01:16:53,025 --> 01:16:56,403 in the temple of Jerusalem 2,000 years ago. 1652 01:16:56,403 --> 01:16:58,822 There were the temple guards, the military, 1653 01:16:58,822 --> 01:17:00,532 and the government in collusion 1654 01:17:00,532 --> 01:17:04,328 with the priests killing animals in exchange for money. 1655 01:17:05,829 --> 01:17:09,541 Once the cow sacrifice began inside the barricaded temple, 1656 01:17:09,541 --> 01:17:12,044 they demanded we stop filming 1657 01:17:12,044 --> 01:17:13,962 (group murmuring) (dramatic music) 1658 01:17:13,962 --> 01:17:16,465 (cows mooing) 1659 01:17:27,684 --> 01:17:30,437 (drone whirring) 1660 01:17:32,314 --> 01:17:34,316 - Because of the Supreme Court order, 1661 01:17:34,316 --> 01:17:37,861 I don't think all of them will be sacrificed. 1662 01:17:39,571 --> 01:17:41,406 (drone whirring) 1663 01:17:41,406 --> 01:17:45,035 (dramatic music continues) 1664 01:17:45,035 --> 01:17:47,329 - [Colleague] The worst we believe could happen is they 1665 01:17:47,329 --> 01:17:50,540 might slaughter about 20%. - Wow, wow. 1666 01:17:50,540 --> 01:17:51,375 Wow. 1667 01:17:54,169 --> 01:17:57,756 (dramatic music continues) 1668 01:18:13,855 --> 01:18:17,442 (dramatic music continues) 1669 01:18:20,070 --> 01:18:20,946 - [Kip] It was becoming clear 1670 01:18:20,946 --> 01:18:23,949 that we may never find a spiritual way to kill an animal. 1671 01:18:24,783 --> 01:18:28,495 I felt horrible and it felt wrong to just stand there 1672 01:18:28,495 --> 01:18:32,541 and do nothing for the animals, but it felt wrong to intrude 1673 01:18:32,541 --> 01:18:34,835 and disrespect someone else's religion. 1674 01:18:35,794 --> 01:18:38,630 - [Speaker] Comparing the Christian who follow Thanksgiving, 1675 01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:43,260 millions of turkey that was slaughter just a few months ago. 1676 01:18:43,260 --> 01:18:45,429 - [Kip] All this paled in comparison 1677 01:18:45,429 --> 01:18:50,016 to the 46 million turkeys we kill each year for Thanksgiving 1678 01:18:50,016 --> 01:18:53,979 and the near 16 million pigs we eat for Christmas 1679 01:18:53,979 --> 01:18:56,481 to ironically celebrate the birth of someone 1680 01:18:56,481 --> 01:19:00,152 who may have never killed or eaten any animal. 1681 01:19:00,152 --> 01:19:03,488 Seeing this made us feel compelled more than ever 1682 01:19:03,488 --> 01:19:07,242 to find out what did Jesus really do at the temple 1683 01:19:07,242 --> 01:19:09,286 that led to his crucifixion. 1684 01:19:09,286 --> 01:19:12,164 (tense music) 1685 01:19:12,164 --> 01:19:14,040 This is what I come home to. 1686 01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:16,710 My place has been completely ransacked, 1687 01:19:16,710 --> 01:19:19,379 everything is gone through, yet nothing is taken. 1688 01:19:19,379 --> 01:19:22,048 They even purposely put things like expensive equipment, 1689 01:19:22,048 --> 01:19:24,843 phone, saying that, hey, we're not here to steal anything, 1690 01:19:24,843 --> 01:19:26,344 we're here to try to scare you. 1691 01:19:26,344 --> 01:19:29,139 My camera bag, $10,000 worth of equipment was found 1692 01:19:29,139 --> 01:19:29,973 two blocks away. 1693 01:19:29,973 --> 01:19:33,435 - [Kam] I just came to my van here to find 1694 01:19:35,103 --> 01:19:38,899 it's been broken into, but nothing of value was taken. 1695 01:19:38,899 --> 01:19:41,818 The only thing they took were my memory cards. 1696 01:19:42,861 --> 01:19:44,070 - [Kip] I immediately followed up 1697 01:19:44,070 --> 01:19:46,072 with a private investigator we hired 1698 01:19:46,072 --> 01:19:48,909 and he said to meet up with him right away. 1699 01:19:48,909 --> 01:19:50,368 - Well, you definitely have industry scared. 1700 01:19:50,368 --> 01:19:52,412 We've got 80 pages of documents that we've obtained 1701 01:19:52,412 --> 01:19:54,080 through our Freedom of Information Act requests 1702 01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,750 showing the USDA's Beef Board identified your films 1703 01:19:56,750 --> 01:19:59,544 as a potential crisis that must be protected 1704 01:19:59,544 --> 01:20:00,545 and defended against. 1705 01:20:00,545 --> 01:20:02,047 Lobbyists for big animal ag 1706 01:20:02,047 --> 01:20:03,757 and their allies in government are really doing 1707 01:20:03,757 --> 01:20:06,218 whatever they can to surveil your films closely, 1708 01:20:06,218 --> 01:20:08,762 monitor your social media, track your screenings, 1709 01:20:08,762 --> 01:20:10,680 and at times even shut your screenings down. 1710 01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:12,641 We're talking about some of the most powerful, 1711 01:20:12,641 --> 01:20:14,434 profitable industries on the planet 1712 01:20:14,434 --> 01:20:17,771 that kill over 70 billion animals a year. 1713 01:20:17,771 --> 01:20:20,482 If your films affect people's beliefs about animals 1714 01:20:20,482 --> 01:20:21,817 and our treatment of animals, 1715 01:20:21,817 --> 01:20:23,735 that will make you a threat in their eyes 1716 01:20:23,735 --> 01:20:26,279 and industry will move to neutralize the threat. 1717 01:20:26,279 --> 01:20:28,949 (ominous music) 1718 01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:34,454 - [Kip] We wondered if all this risk was worth 1719 01:20:34,454 --> 01:20:35,580 making the film. 1720 01:20:38,250 --> 01:20:40,210 But after some deep soul searching, 1721 01:20:40,210 --> 01:20:44,172 despite all the threats, we knew the biggest risk would be 1722 01:20:44,172 --> 01:20:47,592 to be scared into silence and not tell the story. 1723 01:20:50,679 --> 01:20:53,890 - Check this out, remember that red cow sacrifice prophecy. 1724 01:20:53,890 --> 01:20:55,892 It looks like it may be the cause 1725 01:20:55,892 --> 01:20:58,270 of the recent conflict in the holy land 1726 01:20:58,270 --> 01:20:59,938 and no one's talking about it. 1727 01:20:59,938 --> 01:21:01,356 Weeks before the attack, 1728 01:21:01,356 --> 01:21:03,400 the Jewish Temple Institute announced that 1729 01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:07,612 after 2,000 years an unblemished red cow was born 1730 01:21:07,612 --> 01:21:11,241 and paid $250,000 to fly the cows over 1731 01:21:11,241 --> 01:21:13,910 to Jerusalem from a Texas cattle rancher. 1732 01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:16,746 And right after, the Middle East Monitor said 1733 01:21:16,746 --> 01:21:20,208 Israel's red cow will blow up the region. 1734 01:21:20,208 --> 01:21:21,960 (explosives blasting) 1735 01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:25,005 Hamas stated the trigger of the attack was from the concern 1736 01:21:25,005 --> 01:21:27,173 that this prophetic cow sacrifice would lead 1737 01:21:27,173 --> 01:21:30,343 to demolishing the Islamic Dome of the Rock to clear way 1738 01:21:30,343 --> 01:21:32,345 for the new Jewish temple to be built. 1739 01:21:32,345 --> 01:21:35,890 And the Temple Institute's website actually verifies this 1740 01:21:35,890 --> 01:21:38,935 along with a plan to restart animal sacrifices 1741 01:21:38,935 --> 01:21:42,147 inside the temple, just like in Jesus's time. 1742 01:21:42,147 --> 01:21:44,190 We gotta talk to this Texas cattle rancher 1743 01:21:44,190 --> 01:21:45,859 who shipped over the red cow. 1744 01:21:46,902 --> 01:21:49,446 - The temple is the fulcrum 1745 01:21:49,446 --> 01:21:51,698 of the conflict, that's for sure, 1746 01:21:51,698 --> 01:21:53,992 and the red heifers are the start of that. 1747 01:21:53,992 --> 01:21:55,911 - [Kam] So you're saying the red heifer sacrifice 1748 01:21:55,911 --> 01:21:57,287 could start something bigger? 1749 01:21:57,287 --> 01:21:59,497 - Well, I'll say this, today we're closer 1750 01:21:59,497 --> 01:22:03,084 to a World War III type event than we were yesterday 1751 01:22:03,084 --> 01:22:06,463 and tomorrow we'll be even closer and it is coming, period. 1752 01:22:07,797 --> 01:22:10,550 (dramatic music) 1753 01:22:26,983 --> 01:22:30,570 (dramatic music continues) 1754 01:22:35,325 --> 01:22:38,370 - When going against mainstream beliefs, 1755 01:22:38,370 --> 01:22:40,288 especially religious beliefs, 1756 01:22:40,288 --> 01:22:42,123 you can expect to be threatened. 1757 01:22:42,123 --> 01:22:45,210 The humanitarian church is constantly under attack, 1758 01:22:45,210 --> 01:22:48,129 whether it's verbal attacks, online attacks, 1759 01:22:48,129 --> 01:22:50,715 or people breaking in without stealing anything 1760 01:22:50,715 --> 01:22:52,425 and just ripping out the electric 1761 01:22:52,425 --> 01:22:54,594 so that the Sunday service could not be produced. 1762 01:22:54,594 --> 01:22:56,346 I get stalked out there all the time. 1763 01:22:56,346 --> 01:22:58,390 They know my schedule, they know when I'm leaving, 1764 01:22:58,390 --> 01:23:01,976 when I'm coming back, they will stop at nothing 1765 01:23:01,976 --> 01:23:04,562 to keep this truth from getting out. 1766 01:23:04,562 --> 01:23:06,648 The church will tell you that the story 1767 01:23:06,648 --> 01:23:09,359 about the den of thieves was about Jesus Christ 1768 01:23:09,359 --> 01:23:11,778 knocking over the money changers' table. 1769 01:23:11,778 --> 01:23:12,821 That's not the case. 1770 01:23:12,821 --> 01:23:16,241 The truth of the story is Jesus Christ was striking 1771 01:23:16,241 --> 01:23:18,993 at the root of all there is that is evil, 1772 01:23:18,993 --> 01:23:20,245 of oppression of people, 1773 01:23:20,245 --> 01:23:23,832 of the construct of war in one fell swoop. 1774 01:23:23,832 --> 01:23:27,460 He was crucified for disrupting the culture of the time, 1775 01:23:27,460 --> 01:23:29,921 which was killing animals for profit 1776 01:23:29,921 --> 01:23:31,798 and eating them for food. 1777 01:23:31,798 --> 01:23:33,091 - [Interviewer] If that's true, though, 1778 01:23:33,091 --> 01:23:36,428 then why did Jesus call them thieves? 1779 01:23:36,428 --> 01:23:38,680 - And he turned over their tables. 1780 01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,391 - He cried out, you've made my father's house 1781 01:23:41,391 --> 01:23:43,435 the den of thieves. - The den of thieves. 1782 01:23:43,435 --> 01:23:44,769 - Well, in that case he shouldn't have 1783 01:23:44,769 --> 01:23:46,563 driven out all the animals. 1784 01:23:46,563 --> 01:23:51,401 - He drove them out of the temple, cattle, sheep and all. 1785 01:23:51,401 --> 01:23:53,611 - Jesus would not allow anyone 1786 01:23:53,611 --> 01:23:55,613 carrying these animals in and out. 1787 01:23:55,613 --> 01:23:59,868 He shuts the temple down for the whole day. 1788 01:23:59,868 --> 01:24:02,495 And everybody's listening, what is this guy gonna do next? 1789 01:24:02,495 --> 01:24:05,248 (dramatic music) 1790 01:24:06,249 --> 01:24:11,212 - What's wrong, Jesus, why are you so upset? 1791 01:24:11,463 --> 01:24:14,549 What does he say and what's wrong? 1792 01:24:15,383 --> 01:24:17,927 - [Interviewer] If it were really about killing animals, 1793 01:24:17,927 --> 01:24:19,929 it seems like you wouldn't call them thieves, 1794 01:24:19,929 --> 01:24:22,015 you'd call them violent or killers. 1795 01:24:22,015 --> 01:24:25,310 - Jesus Christ did not really call 1796 01:24:25,310 --> 01:24:27,645 the temple a den of thieves. 1797 01:24:27,645 --> 01:24:30,356 Find out the true translation of the word thieves 1798 01:24:30,356 --> 01:24:33,234 and you'll know what Jesus was calling them. 1799 01:24:33,234 --> 01:24:36,070 - [Kip] To finally see once and for all 1800 01:24:36,070 --> 01:24:38,573 what Jesus's true intentions were 1801 01:24:38,573 --> 01:24:42,452 when he stormed the temple that led to his crucifixion, 1802 01:24:42,452 --> 01:24:46,331 we found a leading scholar on biblical Hebrew translation. 1803 01:24:48,833 --> 01:24:52,545 - He's in Jerusalem for the final few days 1804 01:24:52,545 --> 01:24:54,756 of his earthly life, 1805 01:24:54,756 --> 01:24:56,257 but it's quite unusual for him 1806 01:24:56,257 --> 01:25:01,221 to go off at the deep end, so to speak, like this. 1807 01:25:01,888 --> 01:25:05,767 And it's like he's going, okay, now I can really show you 1808 01:25:05,767 --> 01:25:10,730 who I am and let rip and creates havoc 1809 01:25:11,189 --> 01:25:13,024 and says, this is my father's house. 1810 01:25:13,024 --> 01:25:14,901 It should be a house of prayer for all nations, 1811 01:25:14,901 --> 01:25:17,153 but you have turned it into a den of robbers. 1812 01:25:18,154 --> 01:25:20,490 - [Interviewer] So we've heard he called them thieves 1813 01:25:20,490 --> 01:25:22,659 and now you're saying robbers. 1814 01:25:22,659 --> 01:25:25,411 So what is the real Hebrew translation 1815 01:25:25,411 --> 01:25:27,997 for what Jesus called the priests in the temple? 1816 01:25:29,958 --> 01:25:32,877 - Right, let me have a look and see where it comes 1817 01:25:32,877 --> 01:25:35,130 and what exactly it says. 1818 01:25:35,130 --> 01:25:38,216 (pages rustling) 1819 01:25:38,216 --> 01:25:40,218 (speaks in Hebrew) Yeah, so that's interesting. 1820 01:25:40,218 --> 01:25:42,720 Yes, do you know, I never realized that, 1821 01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,390 that's a kind of a-ha moment, yes. 1822 01:25:46,266 --> 01:25:48,184 - [Interviewer] And what does the word, 1823 01:25:48,184 --> 01:25:51,229 - (speaks in Hebrew) mean. 1824 01:25:51,229 --> 01:25:52,522 Another book! (mutters in Hebrew) 1825 01:25:52,522 --> 01:25:56,109 Well, we'll have to look up (speaks in Hebrew) 1826 01:25:56,109 --> 01:25:58,027 in the Hebrew dictionary, as well. 1827 01:26:02,699 --> 01:26:06,369 (speaks in Hebrew) Yes, a violent one. 1828 01:26:06,369 --> 01:26:08,079 (ominous music) 1829 01:26:08,079 --> 01:26:09,497 - [Interviewer] And that's what he called the priests 1830 01:26:09,497 --> 01:26:11,166 doing the sacrifice? 1831 01:26:11,166 --> 01:26:12,000 - Yeah. 1832 01:26:15,503 --> 01:26:17,922 - [Interviewer] So it's the killing then. 1833 01:26:17,922 --> 01:26:20,216 - Yes, ferocious apparently. 1834 01:26:21,885 --> 01:26:25,388 (ominous music continues) 1835 01:26:31,352 --> 01:26:33,980 - [Interviewer] So not only did he sacrifice his life 1836 01:26:33,980 --> 01:26:38,818 for humans, but to stop the killing of animals, as well. 1837 01:26:41,321 --> 01:26:42,989 - Yeah, it is interesting. 1838 01:26:42,989 --> 01:26:45,283 And it certainly raises a number of questions 1839 01:26:47,702 --> 01:26:50,997 - On the eve before Jesus's crucifixion, 1840 01:26:50,997 --> 01:26:54,334 he held his final protest, the Last Supper, 1841 01:26:54,334 --> 01:26:57,837 which should have been centered around a Passover lamb. 1842 01:26:57,837 --> 01:26:59,047 - In the Ebionite gospel, 1843 01:26:59,047 --> 01:27:03,301 Jesus specifically rejected eating meat at the Passover. 1844 01:27:03,301 --> 01:27:06,930 Jesus says I've come to destroy the sacrifices 1845 01:27:06,930 --> 01:27:09,182 and if you do not cease from sacrificing, 1846 01:27:09,182 --> 01:27:11,434 wrath will not cease from you. 1847 01:27:11,434 --> 01:27:15,063 - And he says this is my meat, this bread, 1848 01:27:15,063 --> 01:27:18,524 and this wine is my blood, so to speak. 1849 01:27:18,524 --> 01:27:20,860 Meaning this is all we need. 1850 01:27:20,860 --> 01:27:22,111 We don't need the lamb. 1851 01:27:22,111 --> 01:27:24,781 Let's do the things that belong to the kingdom of God. 1852 01:27:25,990 --> 01:27:28,993 What would make the planet go back to an Eden state? 1853 01:27:30,119 --> 01:27:32,872 (dramatic music) 1854 01:27:49,138 --> 01:27:52,266 - You know, if we look close enough, we can see the hints 1855 01:27:52,266 --> 01:27:54,102 in paintings and scripture. 1856 01:27:55,019 --> 01:27:56,354 It's just that it's easier 1857 01:27:56,354 --> 01:28:00,316 to cover up the truth than to talk about it. 1858 01:28:00,316 --> 01:28:03,903 (dramatic music continues) 1859 01:28:12,996 --> 01:28:15,790 - [Interviewer] How has this truth about Jesus 1860 01:28:15,790 --> 01:28:20,420 been covered up for 2,000 years? 1861 01:28:20,420 --> 01:28:23,589 - (chuckles) Because of course the meat eaters won. 1862 01:28:23,589 --> 01:28:26,342 As it's often been said, history is the province 1863 01:28:26,342 --> 01:28:30,888 of the winners and now we're living with the consequences. 1864 01:28:31,764 --> 01:28:34,225 - [Interviewer] And what do we know about the winners? 1865 01:28:34,225 --> 01:28:36,978 - What we do know is that 1866 01:28:36,978 --> 01:28:40,023 Paul was fiercely anti-vegetarian 1867 01:28:40,023 --> 01:28:43,651 and his influence has undoubtedly influenced the direction 1868 01:28:43,651 --> 01:28:47,739 of Christianity and especially during the first century. 1869 01:28:47,739 --> 01:28:51,367 - St. Paul is a Roman leader who spread Christianity 1870 01:28:51,367 --> 01:28:54,579 to the masses, encouraged converts to eat meat, 1871 01:28:54,579 --> 01:28:56,581 condemning the movement that didn't. 1872 01:28:56,581 --> 01:28:58,291 Funny, many people don't know 1873 01:28:58,291 --> 01:29:00,293 that Jesus had a brother James. 1874 01:29:00,293 --> 01:29:01,294 And why is that? 1875 01:29:01,294 --> 01:29:03,755 We have all of these additional sources, 1876 01:29:03,755 --> 01:29:05,798 the main thing is his lifestyle. 1877 01:29:05,798 --> 01:29:07,300 He doesn't eat meat. 1878 01:29:07,300 --> 01:29:09,844 He lived off what grew of itself. 1879 01:29:09,844 --> 01:29:12,930 - James, the brother of Jesus, was clearly a vegetarian 1880 01:29:12,930 --> 01:29:15,850 and he was head of the Jerusalem church. 1881 01:29:15,850 --> 01:29:18,061 - He's called the pillar of the church. 1882 01:29:18,061 --> 01:29:20,104 The so-called pillars, Paul says, 1883 01:29:20,104 --> 01:29:23,191 'cause Paul didn't necessarily always agree with James. 1884 01:29:23,191 --> 01:29:26,027 Later, James was brutally murdered in the temple 1885 01:29:26,027 --> 01:29:29,489 by the same gang of priests that killed his brother Jesus. 1886 01:29:29,489 --> 01:29:33,076 And then he's largely written out of the New Testament. 1887 01:29:33,076 --> 01:29:35,912 - [Rob] The church amplified Paul's pro meat writings, 1888 01:29:35,912 --> 01:29:38,498 while burning the books that didn't align 1889 01:29:38,498 --> 01:29:40,208 with their new doctrine. 1890 01:29:40,208 --> 01:29:43,878 - We know that the gospel of the Ebionites that portrays 1891 01:29:43,878 --> 01:29:47,924 Jesus as a vegetarian was actively suppressed by the church. 1892 01:29:47,924 --> 01:29:50,551 - [James] These texts of the followers of James, 1893 01:29:50,551 --> 01:29:53,137 the brother of Jesus, were lost to history. 1894 01:29:53,137 --> 01:29:55,848 They were overshadowed by what Paul wrote 1895 01:29:55,848 --> 01:29:58,518 and his writings effectively replaced 1896 01:29:58,518 --> 01:30:00,812 the original message of Jesus 1897 01:30:00,812 --> 01:30:04,690 and James for which they lived and died. 1898 01:30:04,690 --> 01:30:07,902 - [Rob] The remaining Nasaraene movement was weeded out. 1899 01:30:07,902 --> 01:30:10,738 Eventually they were all killed off 1900 01:30:10,738 --> 01:30:12,657 (dramatic music) 1901 01:30:12,657 --> 01:30:15,576 over the argument of the consumption of animals. 1902 01:30:15,576 --> 01:30:17,829 Only years after their leader, Jesus, 1903 01:30:17,829 --> 01:30:20,331 was crucified as a terrorist. 1904 01:30:21,332 --> 01:30:22,959 - Well that's why I say he's the lamb 1905 01:30:22,959 --> 01:30:25,461 who liberates the lambs. 1906 01:30:25,461 --> 01:30:28,131 You see, the good, 1907 01:30:28,131 --> 01:30:32,218 the good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 1908 01:30:34,053 --> 01:30:38,141 A reversal of the traditional practice of shepherding 1909 01:30:38,141 --> 01:30:40,977 who looks after the animals and slaughters them. 1910 01:30:40,977 --> 01:30:43,062 It is the good shepherd who lays down 1911 01:30:43,062 --> 01:30:44,230 his life for the sheep. 1912 01:30:46,357 --> 01:30:47,900 Quite a radical line, isn't it? 1913 01:30:49,277 --> 01:30:52,029 (dramatic music) 1914 01:30:54,157 --> 01:30:56,951 - If Jesus was walking the earth now the way he did, 1915 01:30:56,951 --> 01:31:00,955 and for what he did, today, what do you think he'd be doing? 1916 01:31:00,955 --> 01:31:03,124 ♪ Is there a right way to kill a beast ♪ 1917 01:31:03,124 --> 01:31:06,002 ♪ Justify energy and blood on the streets ♪ 1918 01:31:06,002 --> 01:31:09,088 - If Jesus were to do the same equivalent kind of thing 1919 01:31:09,088 --> 01:31:10,590 today as going into the temple, 1920 01:31:10,590 --> 01:31:12,842 he'd be considered a terrorist, 1921 01:31:12,842 --> 01:31:14,594 a threat to public order. 1922 01:31:14,594 --> 01:31:16,554 ♪ Religious doctrine never made a profit ♪ 1923 01:31:16,554 --> 01:31:18,973 ♪ Souls of the innocent creation get adopted ♪ 1924 01:31:18,973 --> 01:31:20,141 ♪ Slit the throats of the lamb ♪ 1925 01:31:20,141 --> 01:31:22,643 ♪ See, the nation nation's gotta stop it, huh ♪ 1926 01:31:22,643 --> 01:31:24,770 ♪ Pharisees right now the temple ♪ 1927 01:31:24,770 --> 01:31:26,856 ♪ Slaughtering sheep while making an event ♪ 1928 01:31:26,856 --> 01:31:28,024 ♪ We'll flip the tables ♪ 1929 01:31:28,024 --> 01:31:30,651 ♪ No intentions of being gentle, that's crazy ♪ 1930 01:31:30,651 --> 01:31:31,569 ♪ I'm getting mental on these ♪ 1931 01:31:31,569 --> 01:31:35,698 - What Jesus did was actually an act of animal liberation. 1932 01:31:35,698 --> 01:31:38,284 ♪ Unalive what, for the cause to make credentials ♪ 1933 01:31:38,284 --> 01:31:41,954 ♪ Thou shall not kill is the law, let's make it simple ♪ 1934 01:31:41,954 --> 01:31:45,374 ♪ Den of thieves, what's the right way to kill a beast ♪ 1935 01:31:45,374 --> 01:31:48,461 - 2004, the FBI designated animal rights movements 1936 01:31:48,461 --> 01:31:51,214 the number-one domestic terror threats in the country 1937 01:31:51,214 --> 01:31:52,965 despite the fact that neither of these movements 1938 01:31:52,965 --> 01:31:54,300 has ever once physically injured 1939 01:31:54,300 --> 01:31:56,552 a single person in this country, ever. 1940 01:31:56,552 --> 01:31:58,471 ♪ Why you got a knife, what's this ♪ 1941 01:31:58,471 --> 01:32:00,932 ♪ How you take a life with the life's that's within you ♪ 1942 01:32:00,932 --> 01:32:03,434 ♪ Then you caught me writing, got Christ deep within you ♪ 1943 01:32:03,434 --> 01:32:05,436 ♪ What's the cost of a soul, check the price ♪ 1944 01:32:05,436 --> 01:32:07,188 ♪ That's within you, den of thieves ♪ 1945 01:32:07,188 --> 01:32:08,981 - [Kip] After all that we had learned, 1946 01:32:08,981 --> 01:32:13,611 it felt now the only choice was to stand up and take action. 1947 01:32:13,611 --> 01:32:17,323 It felt daunting and dangerous to be considered a terrorist 1948 01:32:17,323 --> 01:32:18,616 or face jail time. 1949 01:32:18,616 --> 01:32:20,451 But we push forward and join marches 1950 01:32:20,451 --> 01:32:23,621 for the animals, rallied against slaughterhouses, 1951 01:32:23,621 --> 01:32:24,789 and sought out activists 1952 01:32:24,789 --> 01:32:28,751 to learn from, including one terrorist awaiting trial. 1953 01:32:30,336 --> 01:32:31,587 - Hi, Kip. 1954 01:32:31,587 --> 01:32:33,422 - Is this what a terrorist looks like? 1955 01:32:33,422 --> 01:32:36,259 - Yeah, apparently so, that's what I'm told (giggles). 1956 01:32:37,218 --> 01:32:41,013 I was on a particular open rescue where we became aware 1957 01:32:41,013 --> 01:32:43,849 of a company in Utah called Norbest. 1958 01:32:43,849 --> 01:32:46,143 Their website shows an open field, 1959 01:32:46,143 --> 01:32:47,561 beautiful bucolic setting. 1960 01:32:47,561 --> 01:32:49,146 And we went to investigate 1961 01:32:49,146 --> 01:32:51,399 and see what actually condition the turkeys were in. 1962 01:32:51,399 --> 01:32:53,568 They were packed together, very distressed, 1963 01:32:53,568 --> 01:32:55,444 many of them laying on the floor already dead. 1964 01:32:55,444 --> 01:32:58,239 Some were clearly dying, gasping for air. 1965 01:32:58,239 --> 01:32:59,824 So it's basically it's humane washing. 1966 01:32:59,824 --> 01:33:00,825 They want people to feel 1967 01:33:00,825 --> 01:33:03,703 that these turkeys are living beautiful, happy lives 1968 01:33:03,703 --> 01:33:06,038 and nothing could be further from the truth. 1969 01:33:06,038 --> 01:33:08,374 We saved three baby turkeys 1970 01:33:08,374 --> 01:33:11,627 and I helped carry them to safety. 1971 01:33:11,627 --> 01:33:14,422 - [Kip] And what are you being charged with now? 1972 01:33:14,422 --> 01:33:16,716 - Felony burglary and felony theft. 1973 01:33:16,716 --> 01:33:19,969 And each one carries a maximum sentence of five years, 1974 01:33:19,969 --> 01:33:22,096 so that would be a total of 10 years. 1975 01:33:22,096 --> 01:33:24,932 - So are you a threat to society? 1976 01:33:24,932 --> 01:33:26,684 - Gee, I don't think so (chuckles). 1977 01:33:28,394 --> 01:33:29,770 I hope not. 1978 01:33:29,770 --> 01:33:31,355 (dramatic music) 1979 01:33:31,355 --> 01:33:34,233 - [Kip] It seemed to Diane her charges were worth it 1980 01:33:34,233 --> 01:33:36,652 if just one life could be saved, 1981 01:33:36,652 --> 01:33:39,780 which reminded us of DeepJay and how despite the threats 1982 01:33:39,780 --> 01:33:43,367 and loss of Gadhimai, he said it would all be worthwhile 1983 01:33:43,367 --> 01:33:46,412 if he could save just one life. 1984 01:33:46,412 --> 01:33:48,205 - What do you think? - Yeah, I think it is. 1985 01:33:48,205 --> 01:33:49,874 - [Kip] He says it's his? 1986 01:33:49,874 --> 01:33:52,627 (peaceful music) 1987 01:34:03,971 --> 01:34:05,556 Kam, say yay. 1988 01:34:05,556 --> 01:34:07,475 - Yay. (goat bleats) 1989 01:34:07,475 --> 01:34:10,519 Yay. (goat bleats) 1990 01:34:10,519 --> 01:34:11,729 Yay. 1991 01:34:11,729 --> 01:34:12,563 - [Interviewer] Do you feel it's possible 1992 01:34:12,563 --> 01:34:15,399 to be spiritual and eat animals? 1993 01:34:15,399 --> 01:34:17,610 - No, it is not at all possible. 1994 01:34:17,610 --> 01:34:19,278 It is just not possible. 1995 01:34:20,571 --> 01:34:24,200 Because to be spiritual is to simply know 1996 01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:26,118 that killing this, destroying that 1997 01:34:27,495 --> 01:34:31,123 is about moving from completion to incompletion. 1998 01:34:31,123 --> 01:34:33,459 How can a spiritual man do that? 1999 01:34:33,459 --> 01:34:34,960 Spirituality is about moving 2000 01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:36,962 from incompletion to completion. 2001 01:34:36,962 --> 01:34:39,548 - You know, I think a more appropriate question is, 2002 01:34:39,548 --> 01:34:43,469 what does it mean to be human and eat meat? 2003 01:34:43,469 --> 01:34:45,096 That's maybe a more important question. 2004 01:34:45,096 --> 01:34:47,390 - Sometimes people think we're called human beings 2005 01:34:47,390 --> 01:34:50,309 for a reason, but the only reason is we've named ourselves, 2006 01:34:50,309 --> 01:34:54,271 we're called human beings, which shares the the same root 2007 01:34:54,271 --> 01:34:56,399 as the word humane beings. 2008 01:34:56,399 --> 01:34:58,192 The kind ones, in a way 2009 01:34:58,192 --> 01:35:00,611 we've named ourselves aspirationally. 2010 01:35:00,611 --> 01:35:04,865 Do we want to make the most of our most human ability, 2011 01:35:04,865 --> 01:35:07,993 which is our ability for empathy? 2012 01:35:07,993 --> 01:35:10,746 There've been studies that show for vegans, for example, 2013 01:35:10,746 --> 01:35:12,748 the parts of the brain that are involved 2014 01:35:12,748 --> 01:35:15,042 in their emotional lives really fire. 2015 01:35:15,042 --> 01:35:17,044 As a biologist, what that shows is that there's 2016 01:35:17,044 --> 01:35:20,381 a really deep connection there, felt connection. 2017 01:35:20,381 --> 01:35:22,716 - [Kip] Neuroscientists studying 12 years 2018 01:35:22,716 --> 01:35:24,677 to find the happiest human on earth 2019 01:35:24,677 --> 01:35:27,138 found that when Buddhist monk Matthieu Ricard, 2020 01:35:27,138 --> 01:35:29,390 who's vegan, meditates on compassion 2021 01:35:29,390 --> 01:35:32,768 for all beings, capacity for happiness increases, 2022 01:35:32,768 --> 01:35:34,979 and his brain fires the highest levels 2023 01:35:34,979 --> 01:35:37,565 of gamma waves ever reported in history, 2024 01:35:37,565 --> 01:35:40,484 linked to consciousness, learning, and memory. 2025 01:35:40,484 --> 01:35:43,863 - That's why the great thinkers throughout history 2026 01:35:43,863 --> 01:35:45,698 ultimately were vegetarian. 2027 01:35:45,698 --> 01:35:48,159 Just Google who are the famous vegetarian 2028 01:35:48,159 --> 01:35:52,204 and you find Einstein, Tesla, Leonardo da Vinci, 2029 01:35:52,204 --> 01:35:53,747 on and on and on. 2030 01:35:53,747 --> 01:35:55,541 (dramatic music) 2031 01:35:55,541 --> 01:35:57,918 Leonardo da Vinci when he started making money, 2032 01:35:57,918 --> 01:35:59,545 would go into the market 2033 01:35:59,545 --> 01:36:01,839 and buy up all the chickens in the marketplace 2034 01:36:01,839 --> 01:36:03,632 and then take 'em out into the woods 2035 01:36:03,632 --> 01:36:04,800 and then let 'em all go. 2036 01:36:06,343 --> 01:36:08,304 - [Kip] It all came full circle. 2037 01:36:08,304 --> 01:36:09,597 The holy land now has one 2038 01:36:09,597 --> 01:36:12,433 of the highest vegans per capita in the world 2039 01:36:12,433 --> 01:36:14,477 with the first fully vegan hospital. 2040 01:36:14,477 --> 01:36:17,229 And even Chief Rabbi Zarki put down his knife 2041 01:36:17,229 --> 01:36:18,856 and became vegan. 2042 01:36:23,944 --> 01:36:26,155 And there's even an entire vegan village 2043 01:36:26,155 --> 01:36:28,407 of African Hebrew Israelites. 2044 01:36:28,407 --> 01:36:30,451 - The word vegan in Hebrew is (speaks in Hebrew). 2045 01:36:30,451 --> 01:36:32,077 It comes from the root word of (speaks in Hebrew), 2046 01:36:32,077 --> 01:36:33,454 which means nature. 2047 01:36:33,454 --> 01:36:37,291 That means connect to the earth, the trees, the flowers, 2048 01:36:37,291 --> 01:36:40,711 all the animals, and everybody praise God in their own way. 2049 01:36:40,711 --> 01:36:44,381 That's really a vision of the new Garden of Eden. 2050 01:36:44,381 --> 01:36:46,342 - All around the world now we're seeing 2051 01:36:46,342 --> 01:36:49,053 an amazing transformation as land 2052 01:36:49,053 --> 01:36:52,181 that was used for animal farming is being re-wilded. 2053 01:36:53,015 --> 01:36:56,977 And I feel we're there, we have it in our hands. 2054 01:36:56,977 --> 01:36:59,647 We just have to remember who we are. 2055 01:36:59,647 --> 01:37:02,399 - [Kip] Even Texas cattle ranchers like Renee King Sonnen 2056 01:37:02,399 --> 01:37:05,277 are turning their ranches into sanctuaries. 2057 01:37:05,277 --> 01:37:06,862 - Well, you know, Kam, you and I have 2058 01:37:06,862 --> 01:37:08,614 a very similar background. 2059 01:37:08,614 --> 01:37:11,116 I grew up Christian, writing gospel music, 2060 01:37:11,116 --> 01:37:13,494 and I am so grateful that I've learned the meaning 2061 01:37:13,494 --> 01:37:16,205 of stewardship, the meaning of true dominion. 2062 01:37:16,205 --> 01:37:19,291 'Cause there ain't nothing in my brain that tells me 2063 01:37:19,291 --> 01:37:22,336 that there's a spiritual way to kill an animal. 2064 01:37:22,336 --> 01:37:25,631 There is just no right way to do the wrong thing. 2065 01:37:26,674 --> 01:37:29,802 - To access the deepest part of yourself, 2066 01:37:29,802 --> 01:37:32,221 which has been suppressed through a variety 2067 01:37:32,221 --> 01:37:34,181 of lessons about not caring, 2068 01:37:34,181 --> 01:37:37,518 when we remove all those sort of boulders, 2069 01:37:37,518 --> 01:37:40,521 when we roll away the boulder, what's within? 2070 01:37:40,521 --> 01:37:42,064 Well, that's the gift. 2071 01:37:42,064 --> 01:37:44,275 - [Kip] From the environment to spiritual health, 2072 01:37:44,275 --> 01:37:48,863 more and more I feel the most important question I can ask 2073 01:37:48,863 --> 01:37:52,950 is how to spiritually honor and protect animals as equals 2074 01:37:52,950 --> 01:37:55,327 and treat them with the same level of respect 2075 01:37:55,327 --> 01:37:57,162 as we treat each other. 2076 01:37:57,162 --> 01:37:59,415 - I think not eating animals is a first step 2077 01:38:00,291 --> 01:38:03,419 in the quest towards humanity. 2078 01:38:03,419 --> 01:38:05,462 - I think on the journey of being where I am now 2079 01:38:05,462 --> 01:38:08,757 as plant-based, it's a long way from where I was. 2080 01:38:08,757 --> 01:38:10,843 For the first time, everything kind of makes sense 2081 01:38:10,843 --> 01:38:13,012 in terms of my mission and my purpose. 2082 01:38:13,012 --> 01:38:15,180 My spirit feels elevated. 2083 01:38:28,777 --> 01:38:31,030 - When you look into someone's eyes, 2084 01:38:31,030 --> 01:38:33,115 you're looking at their personhood, 2085 01:38:33,115 --> 01:38:35,200 you're looking at their soul. 2086 01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:37,286 - And if you are really awake, 2087 01:38:37,286 --> 01:38:41,373 you will only see your own deep innocence, 2088 01:38:41,373 --> 01:38:43,626 which might be hidden from you. 2089 01:38:43,626 --> 01:38:46,712 - I see a being that desires to live as much as I do 2090 01:38:46,712 --> 01:38:48,714 and has the right to do so. 2091 01:38:48,714 --> 01:38:51,300 - My life is that of an advocate 2092 01:38:51,300 --> 01:38:55,346 for the most vulnerable living beings on Earth. 2093 01:38:55,346 --> 01:38:58,182 - [Maneka] The basis of all religion, it is simply this, 2094 01:38:58,182 --> 01:38:59,308 always be kind 2095 01:39:00,225 --> 01:39:01,101 (camera clicking) 2096 01:39:01,101 --> 01:39:04,563 - Along this journey, I felt at times as if I was 2097 01:39:04,563 --> 01:39:06,398 moving away from my faith. 2098 01:39:06,398 --> 01:39:08,609 But what I now realize is 2099 01:39:08,609 --> 01:39:11,111 that all the while I was actually moving closer 2100 01:39:11,111 --> 01:39:13,989 to what it really means to be a Christ follower. 2101 01:39:13,989 --> 01:39:16,784 And the one thing that unites all religions 2102 01:39:16,784 --> 01:39:19,203 and spiritual traditions at the root 2103 01:39:19,203 --> 01:39:21,330 is compassion for all beings. 2104 01:39:21,330 --> 01:39:24,375 - See, animals are not just beings. 2105 01:39:24,375 --> 01:39:26,251 They have anima, a life. 2106 01:39:27,711 --> 01:39:29,505 They do something fundamentally 2107 01:39:29,505 --> 01:39:30,881 spiritually important for us 2108 01:39:30,881 --> 01:39:34,551 and that is to take us out of ourselves, to give us a sense 2109 01:39:34,551 --> 01:39:38,013 of wonder and awe at the universe to see 2110 01:39:38,013 --> 01:39:41,767 beyond the natural world, to the spirit moving within it 2111 01:39:41,767 --> 01:39:43,811 with which one can connect, 2112 01:39:43,811 --> 01:39:46,855 with which one can have a relationship, 2113 01:39:46,855 --> 01:39:49,525 which can indeed mediate the grace of God. 2114 01:39:50,609 --> 01:39:52,444 Is that what you mean by spirituality? 2115 01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:56,115 - We're actually speaking about a moment in which everyone 2116 01:39:56,115 --> 01:40:00,953 sees that, that same spark of divinity is in all beings, 2117 01:40:00,953 --> 01:40:02,663 whether they're winged, or four-legged, 2118 01:40:02,663 --> 01:40:04,415 or whether they're swimming in the sea. 2119 01:40:04,415 --> 01:40:09,420 - And one by one by one, we become those understanding, 2120 01:40:10,170 --> 01:40:15,175 compassionate creatures and we create a gigantic game 2121 01:40:15,300 --> 01:40:16,719 of tag around the world. 2122 01:40:17,761 --> 01:40:22,766 I'm talking about 10, 20 million prophets, 2123 01:40:23,892 --> 01:40:28,605 masters on this earth, all being as Christ-like 2124 01:40:28,605 --> 01:40:32,693 as Jesus, as the Buddha, as Prophet Muhammad, 2125 01:40:32,693 --> 01:40:36,280 as any of the great masters that have ever lived. 2126 01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:39,366 This is not the age of one great leader. 2127 01:40:39,366 --> 01:40:42,870 This is the age of great leadership. 2128 01:40:42,870 --> 01:40:45,080 And what I basically have to say 2129 01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:49,877 to anybody watching this is tag, you're it. 2130 01:40:50,961 --> 01:40:52,880 ♪ One, two, three, four ♪ 2131 01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:55,007 ♪ Oh, Jesus, I love you ♪ 2132 01:40:55,007 --> 01:40:56,508 ♪ And I love Buddha, too ♪ 2133 01:40:56,508 --> 01:40:58,343 ♪ Rama Krishna Guru Dev ♪ 2134 01:40:58,343 --> 01:41:00,304 ♪ Daodejing and Muhammad ♪ 2135 01:41:00,304 --> 01:41:02,389 ♪ Why do some people say ♪ 2136 01:41:02,389 --> 01:41:03,849 ♪ That there is just one way ♪ 2137 01:41:03,849 --> 01:41:05,726 ♪ To love you, God. and come to you ♪ 2138 01:41:05,726 --> 01:41:07,603 ♪ We are all a part of you ♪ 2139 01:41:07,603 --> 01:41:09,772 ♪ You are unnameable ♪ 2140 01:41:09,772 --> 01:41:11,398 ♪ You are unknowable ♪ 2141 01:41:11,398 --> 01:41:13,567 ♪ All we have is metaphor ♪ 2142 01:41:13,567 --> 01:41:15,360 - Thank you for watching "Christspiracy" 2143 01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:17,279 and bearing witness. 2144 01:41:17,279 --> 01:41:20,282 You may be feeling some conflicting emotions right now, 2145 01:41:20,282 --> 01:41:24,078 perhaps some confusion, sadness, anger, a sense of betrayal 2146 01:41:24,078 --> 01:41:27,873 or injustice, or maybe you're feeling energized 2147 01:41:27,873 --> 01:41:32,252 and inspired to do something to make a difference, 2148 01:41:32,252 --> 01:41:34,379 just as all of these people whose names here 2149 01:41:34,379 --> 01:41:36,924 on the screen have boldly done. 2150 01:41:36,924 --> 01:41:38,509 - While you watched this film, 2151 01:41:38,509 --> 01:41:41,220 five million animals were slaughtered. 2152 01:41:41,220 --> 01:41:42,930 Each one of them an individual 2153 01:41:42,930 --> 01:41:45,307 with a soul who wanted to live. 2154 01:41:45,307 --> 01:41:47,893 The scale of their killing is unimaginable, 2155 01:41:47,893 --> 01:41:50,521 just as the length of time this historical coverup 2156 01:41:50,521 --> 01:41:53,148 has been perpetrated is unimaginable, 2157 01:41:53,148 --> 01:41:55,025 but the truth has been set free. 2158 01:41:55,025 --> 01:41:57,694 And now it's your turn to raise your voice 2159 01:41:57,694 --> 01:42:00,322 for those whose voices we can't hear 2160 01:42:00,322 --> 01:42:03,033 and get this truth out into the world. 2161 01:42:03,033 --> 01:42:06,453 - You may be asking yourself, what can I do? 2162 01:42:06,453 --> 01:42:08,705 And the absolute number-one priority is 2163 01:42:08,705 --> 01:42:10,541 to get this film seen. 2164 01:42:10,541 --> 01:42:13,293 It's vital that people learn the realities 2165 01:42:13,293 --> 01:42:16,547 of animal agriculture and how this spiritual 2166 01:42:16,547 --> 01:42:19,842 and ethical call to treat animals compassionately 2167 01:42:19,842 --> 01:42:22,928 has been covered up for so long. 2168 01:42:22,928 --> 01:42:25,556 - Our first goal is that "Christspiracy" 2169 01:42:25,556 --> 01:42:27,516 gets three million views, 2170 01:42:27,516 --> 01:42:32,020 one for every animal killed for food every single hour. 2171 01:42:32,020 --> 01:42:34,439 They are the reason we made "Christspiracy" 2172 01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:36,608 and they are the reason we need your help 2173 01:42:36,608 --> 01:42:38,527 to get this film seen. 2174 01:42:38,527 --> 01:42:40,863 That's why we built this pay it forward platform. 2175 01:42:40,863 --> 01:42:43,532 - Because of you, "Christspiracy" is accessible 2176 01:42:43,532 --> 01:42:45,868 to everyone, no matter where they live 2177 01:42:45,868 --> 01:42:48,036 or what their financial status is. 2178 01:42:48,036 --> 01:42:51,498 And the power of this film resides into those who are able 2179 01:42:51,498 --> 01:42:53,917 to keep the chain of compassion going 2180 01:42:53,917 --> 01:42:56,920 by paying it forward for someone else. 2181 01:42:56,920 --> 01:43:00,257 - And when you do for others what someone has already done 2182 01:43:00,257 --> 01:43:02,259 for you and pay it forward, 2183 01:43:02,259 --> 01:43:05,387 you'll also unlock some fantastic perks, 2184 01:43:05,387 --> 01:43:08,932 the full HD version of the film, extended interviews, 2185 01:43:08,932 --> 01:43:11,977 deleted scenes, behind the scenes stories, 2186 01:43:11,977 --> 01:43:14,229 access to our online community, 2187 01:43:14,229 --> 01:43:16,481 a 30-day spiritual meal planner, 2188 01:43:16,481 --> 01:43:19,651 a seven-day challenge, and so much more. 2189 01:43:19,651 --> 01:43:21,361 - It's really worth paying it forward 2190 01:43:21,361 --> 01:43:23,405 for so many reasons if you can. 2191 01:43:23,405 --> 01:43:24,406 But even if you can't, 2192 01:43:24,406 --> 01:43:26,575 you can still play an essential part 2193 01:43:26,575 --> 01:43:28,952 in this compassionate movement by recommending 2194 01:43:28,952 --> 01:43:31,914 "Christspiracy" to everyone you know. 2195 01:43:31,914 --> 01:43:33,373 You may already have someone in mind 2196 01:43:33,373 --> 01:43:35,626 that you know just has to see this film. 2197 01:43:35,626 --> 01:43:38,086 So send it to friends, send it to family, 2198 01:43:38,086 --> 01:43:39,880 tell your neighbors, and even strangers 2199 01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:41,548 that you may meet on the street. 2200 01:43:41,548 --> 01:43:44,343 Awareness is everything. 2201 01:43:44,343 --> 01:43:46,929 - Compassion and the golden rule is at the root 2202 01:43:46,929 --> 01:43:49,681 of all religions and spiritual traditions. 2203 01:43:49,681 --> 01:43:53,435 This empathetic, humane teaching unites all traditions. 2204 01:43:53,435 --> 01:43:55,938 It allows us to build bridges between us. 2205 01:43:55,938 --> 01:43:58,690 It allows each of us to connect to each other 2206 01:43:58,690 --> 01:44:01,944 and together become all that we are truly meant to be. 2207 01:44:01,944 --> 01:44:04,738 - "Christspiracy" just scratches the surface 2208 01:44:04,738 --> 01:44:07,866 of what certain scholars, theologians, archeologists, 2209 01:44:07,866 --> 01:44:11,161 and others are coming to understand about the true roots 2210 01:44:11,161 --> 01:44:14,373 of religion and our cultural traditions. 2211 01:44:14,373 --> 01:44:16,416 Their work in this film will, 2212 01:44:16,416 --> 01:44:20,545 because of your action, start a domino effect of discussion, 2213 01:44:20,545 --> 01:44:23,382 debate, and compassion for all beings. 2214 01:44:23,382 --> 01:44:27,010 - And when you pay it forward, 100% of all proceeds 2215 01:44:27,010 --> 01:44:29,429 go to animal charities, activism, 2216 01:44:29,429 --> 01:44:31,390 and reforestation projects. 2217 01:44:31,390 --> 01:44:34,142 The very real and beautiful transformation 2218 01:44:34,142 --> 01:44:36,395 of our world is already under way 2219 01:44:36,395 --> 01:44:39,815 thanks to people like you who have seen "Christspiracy" 2220 01:44:39,815 --> 01:44:42,567 and ensured others get to see it too. 2221 01:44:42,567 --> 01:44:45,279 - Having spent seven years making this film, 2222 01:44:45,279 --> 01:44:48,448 we are now handing the baton to you. 2223 01:44:48,448 --> 01:44:51,868 "Christspiracy" is more than a movie, it is a movement. 2224 01:44:51,868 --> 01:44:54,913 So go ahead, play your part, pay it forward, 2225 01:44:54,913 --> 01:44:56,832 and be part of this powerful 2226 01:44:56,832 --> 01:45:00,002 worldwide transformation for good. 2227 01:45:00,002 --> 01:45:01,670 Tag, you're it. - Tag, you're it.167653

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