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Walk faster, people.
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You want to be in?
Go, all of you. Come on.
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-Can Spice come?
-Sure. Go ahead.
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-Spice.
-Spicy!
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Hi.
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-The more the merrier.
-It's Wizard of Oz time.
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Okay!
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You guys ready?
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-Yeah!
-Come on!
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Here they come.
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Let him go.
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-Oh, okay.
-He's wagging.
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-Aaron.
-Aaron, back up a bit.
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Okay.
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Come on.
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I'll get it.
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That's good. Aaron, go in and get it.
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Get down in there and get that boat.
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Look at him.
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Ugh. What if there was
toxic waste in here?
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Don't even joke.
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He'd die.
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Somebody has to keep track
of where everything is buried.
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It's not just poison in the earth,
it's poison of the spirit as well.
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On three?
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One of the reasons
the Wallkill River is a sewer
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is because of the Orange County Landfill,
situated on the riverbank.
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Shit!
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-Oops.
-Shit!
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To me, it's more than just
a record of environmental crime.
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All the work that we were doing
on the documentaries back then,
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it's this archetype of young people
rising up to the challenge,
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investigating what the problems
are in their world
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and doing something about it.
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Good evening, and welcome to MHS TV
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from Middletown High School.
My name is Yvonne Kolinski,
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and tonight we have
a visual history of Middletown,
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a science experiment,
and some other surprises.
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Have you ever heard
of Middletown, New York?
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Um, maybe.
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I never heard of it,
probably because I work too much.
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Never heard of it.
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No, I'm sorry.
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They don't know where it is.
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Okay, so not everyone
has heard of Middletown, New York.
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I don't get it.
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Everybody up there
has heard of New York City.
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Straight up the river, 60 miles.
Come on, I'll show you.
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…keep her on a short leash
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I try…
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One hour and 30 minutes. Not bad.
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I try to ram her into the ground, yeah
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Can't fight the seether
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Can't fight the seether
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Can't fight the seether, I can't…
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We moved to Middletown when I was three.
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It was blue-collar.
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You know, every house looked
exactly the same.
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We were living in New York City,
and there was a story
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that my brother got,
like, jacked at the park
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for his Big Wheel or his bicycle,
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and my parents decided
we're going to move to the suburbs.
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Back then, Middletown
was primarily known for dairy farming.
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It was a bucolic setting, I guess.
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There was a canopy
over most of the streets in town,
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so you'd always feel like you were
driving through tunnels of trees.
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We had our fair share
of sketchy spots, like anywhere else.
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An episode of Cops
was shot at the Orange Plaza Mall.
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I think it was, like, the first time
we saw Middletown on TV.
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…till I'm foaming at the mouth
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Can't find the seether…
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You know, growing up there,
it doesn't feel overly special.
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You guys going on a beer run?
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You were always going somewhere else.
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Going to the city or going
to the Jersey Shore, going to Long Island.
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And everybody was always
trying to get out.
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Yeah
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Hi, my name is Fred Isseks,
and I teach AV Graphics Communications.
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It's a long name for a course
that involves electronic media.
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We hope you, uh, are intrigued
with the idea of taking this course,
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and that we see you in September.
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You knew about Fred before you met Fred.
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Like, when you get the schedules,
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they're like,
"You got Fred, you're so lucky."
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People used to call him
Hippie Fred or Crazy Fred.
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His hair, like, always got
a little long on top.
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I do remember
very early on Fred just saying, like,
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"Yeah, one summer
I lived in the Grand Canyon."
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Other teachers sometimes would
kind of subtly denigrate him a little bit
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or suggest, you know, we're doing
serious stuff over in this classroom,
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but that guy does
that other stuff over there.
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Famous dead person to bring back,
it'd have to be Karl Marx.
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He could come back, and he could
check out all the predictions he made
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about late 20th century capitalism,
if they've come true or not.
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He'd mention a philosopher,
or he'd mention Noam Chomsky,
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or he'd mention Ralph Nader.
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And I thought, "Wow, this guy's smart."
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I went to law school for about two months.
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I didn't even make it
to Thanksgiving vacation,
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and I realized, "This is not for me."
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When I started teaching,
I fell in love with it immediately.
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I'm teaching ninth grade English,
Romeo and Juliet, Of Mice and Men,
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The Old Man and the Sea.
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But after a few years,
it was getting a little old to me,
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so I tried doing some extra little things.
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I came up with this idea to apply
for a grant for all of $300
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and get Instamatic cameras,
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and give them to the students
and have them go out
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and take pictures in town.
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So when the district did get TV cameras,
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and when we did start to move into that,
they picked me to do it,
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because they said, "He knows how to use
a camera. He does the Instamatic."
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Did you know how to use those cameras?
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No.
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It's a vision of education
in the old model of John Dewey.
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You don't learn by sitting
in a classroom and taking notes.
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You learn by doing.
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You learn by getting involved.
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This is the TV studio.
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Essentially, we had
a control room in the back,
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and then this was our stage area.
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We had a round stage
that someone donated to us,
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and we had a backdrop
that was kind of flimsy.
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We had a couple of different
editing stations set up around the room
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where students would edit their footage.
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We had a public access station
a mile away from the school,
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and we could broadcast anytime we wanted.
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So I went from teaching 9th Grade English
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into doing an elective for seniors
called Electronic English.
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It was regular English,
except, uh, we plugged it in.
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Oh, man.
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Oh, whoa.
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It's amazing.
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Wow.
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It's going back in time.
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Do you remember
what attracted you to Electronic English
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in the first place?
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I was cutting class.
I was in the parking lot.
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I was walking to Burger King,
and Fred saw me.
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And he said, "Look,
I have this class, Electronic English."
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"If you come to class,
I won't call your mom."
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And it just seemed fun.
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I watched a lot of TV as a kid,
and so I was always enamored by it.
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The moment I walked in there,
it was just like this whole portal
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to a new world opened.
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There'd be kids in the corner
playing Onyx or, uh, Wu-Tang Clan
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and making a music video.
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But then right next to them
would be some hippie kids.
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It was kind of a free-for-all.
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I just told the kids to be creative.
Use your talent.
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Use it to make stuff
instead of consuming stuff.
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It's easy to look back and say,
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"Well, you just showed up and hung out
and he handed you a camera."
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But that's literally what happened.
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He let us shoot rap videos in the hallway.
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Karate films.
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Look at yourself
You're on top of the world
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We were always filming something funny.
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Sometimes you walk around
With your nose in the air
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Other times you walk around
Like you just don't care
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-'Cause you're conceited
-Yo-yo-yo-you're conceited
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Back then,
a camcorder was still a big deal.
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Hi!
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This thing that we associated
with Hollywood or something,
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so it was very exciting.
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Somewhere, there's
a very embarrassing video
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of me lip-syncing
to George Michael's "Faith."
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If I find that tape, you will not see it.
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Cut.
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Everybody had gotten their time
to play around with the equipment,
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but then Fred gathered everybody and said
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that we needed to talk
about an actual assignment.
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The school district left it
pretty much open to me
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how I wanted to structure it.
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But it had to be something
having to do with English.
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I could have taken it
in a different direction.
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We could have produced plays.
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But for some reason,
that didn't really occur to me.
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What… kind of resonated with me
was the idea of doing journalism.
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Let's investigate all kinds of stories.
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Let's tell the story of the cheerleaders,
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the football team, and the Home Ec class.
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While all that's going on,
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I'm gonna turn you on to a story
that I think is pretty incredible,
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and you're more than welcome
to jump in on it.
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Fred's like, "Yeah,
there's this thing in the landfill."
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And we're like, "Yeah, whatever."
We really didn't care.
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But he was like, "Stop what you're doing.
All right, check this out."
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Last year, I noticed fluid
coming out of the middle of the road.
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And one day I got out of my car,
I touched the fluid,
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and what I would think
would have been oil on the road
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was a total spot of brown water.
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And I was told by someone in the village
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that it was from the storm sewer.
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I could go across the street
and ask my neighbor for a glass of water,
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and I could put it up to my--
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The minute she turns on the tap,
the whole house stinks.
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I mean, it's raunchy smelling.
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I had an old friend named Don Tirrell.
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He lived out on a farm that he had bought.
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He said, "We've got a mess
in our backyards
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that we didn't know about."
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He thought
he was getting this bucolic life,
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and then he ended up living
so close to a toxic landfill.
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-Is this on right now?
-Yup.
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We were interviewing Don's neighbors.
I worked the camera,
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and Don asked the questions.
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Right now, I am at breaking point.
I really cannot take it much longer.
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Wonderful shot. Did you get that?
Could you do that again?
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And look at this. This--
This has got to be a health hazard also.
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This is draining right into my yard.
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Right now, if I cut my grass,
I've got to go this way.
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So eventually, what's going to be here?
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-All this… running out.
-And where does it go?
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-How's Jane doing? Okay?
-Yeah, good.
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I did enjoy that thing
at your house Sunday.
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-It was very nice.
-Thank you.
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Unbelievable.
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Isn't it?
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See? It's like an orange.
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-Come in on it.
-What is that thing?
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What do you think, Fred?
Think she's got a problem?
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I wouldn't want to build
a family room down here.
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Every morning before leaving for work,
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I start with this one,
go down to sump pump.
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Drain out.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! Folks, if you can…
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If you guys can hold off for just another…
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Excuse me.
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If you guys can hold off
for just another three minutes,
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we'll be done.
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I said, you know, "This is
a story we can look into further."
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Well, there's a type of student that…
they woke right up.
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Once Fred started explaining the story
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in the way, like,
rebellious teenagers could understand,
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then that, to me, was really exciting.
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And who do we find here?
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Zoom in.
Oh, there's your heartthrob, Corey Haim.
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You're recording, you stupid shit.
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I wasn't into politics.
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I wasn't an environmentalist.
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That was the opposite of my vibe.
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Press the button.
244
00:17:27,921 --> 00:17:29,256
Who's that?
245
00:17:29,339 --> 00:17:31,550
David Lynch. He is cool.
246
00:17:31,633 --> 00:17:33,635
Didn't you see Wild at Heart?
247
00:17:34,762 --> 00:17:36,221
Because I was Puerto Rican,
248
00:17:36,305 --> 00:17:38,974
I was, like, good
with all the Puerto Rican kids.
249
00:17:40,184 --> 00:17:42,853
I also had a bunch of goth friends.
250
00:17:42,936 --> 00:17:47,191
We would hop on the train
to go into the city to go to nightclubs.
251
00:17:47,983 --> 00:17:52,946
I loved any kind of, like, punk rock,
in-your-face music.
252
00:17:53,030 --> 00:17:55,991
Anything that was
sort of against the system.
253
00:17:57,242 --> 00:18:00,537
But deep down, I was cripplingly shy.
254
00:18:03,123 --> 00:18:05,417
-What do we have here?
-I'm yours!
255
00:18:09,797 --> 00:18:11,840
Here we go. Get in the car.
256
00:18:13,759 --> 00:18:16,345
I think I was always
a-- a bit of a chameleon.
257
00:18:16,845 --> 00:18:21,475
I could kind of hang out with the jocks,
uh, because I played football.
258
00:18:21,558 --> 00:18:25,354
I could hang out with the stoners
because I also smoked pot.
259
00:18:27,523 --> 00:18:29,858
Pack it up, pack it in
Let me begin…
260
00:18:29,942 --> 00:18:34,071
But I-- Probably back in the '90s,
they would have called me a poseur.
261
00:18:34,780 --> 00:18:35,697
I don't know.
262
00:18:36,448 --> 00:18:38,867
I could have been an asshole.
263
00:18:41,495 --> 00:18:43,914
My core group was the ROTC kids.
264
00:18:45,165 --> 00:18:47,584
We march around with rifles,
we're spinning and flipping them.
265
00:18:50,379 --> 00:18:52,881
My father left
when I was about 4 years old,
266
00:18:52,965 --> 00:18:55,592
and my stepfather's a Marine,
he was tough.
267
00:18:55,676 --> 00:18:58,595
So I was left on my own,
like a typical latchkey kid,
268
00:18:58,679 --> 00:19:00,722
to figure things out.
269
00:19:02,516 --> 00:19:05,144
I mean, technically,
I wasn't even in Fred's class.
270
00:19:05,727 --> 00:19:09,148
He just let me hang around and participate
because he took a shine to me.
271
00:19:12,734 --> 00:19:15,529
I think I was maybe an outsider.
272
00:19:16,613 --> 00:19:17,656
I had a lot of friends,
273
00:19:17,739 --> 00:19:21,243
but I never felt
like I was in a clique per se.
274
00:19:22,244 --> 00:19:25,998
I had always been involved in some, like,
youth and government political things.
275
00:19:26,081 --> 00:19:30,127
But the truth is I wanted to, like,
blow up every corporate headquarters.
276
00:19:30,210 --> 00:19:31,545
I do believe it's a health hazard.
277
00:19:31,628 --> 00:19:35,007
My one daughter, my older one,
had suffered a lot with strep throats.
278
00:19:35,090 --> 00:19:38,594
So when I saw this footage, I was hooked.
279
00:19:38,677 --> 00:19:40,053
And the doctor could never…
280
00:19:40,137 --> 00:19:41,847
And I was like, "Oh!"
281
00:19:41,930 --> 00:19:45,309
Like, "Okay." So--
So this is bigger than school was.
282
00:19:45,809 --> 00:19:49,188
I wanted to talk to anybody
that knew anything about this.
283
00:19:49,771 --> 00:19:53,275
How many people are gonna be available
to go to the landfill?
284
00:19:53,775 --> 00:19:57,196
It wasn't presented
as a class requirement to do this.
285
00:19:57,279 --> 00:19:58,989
It was more like a soft pitch.
286
00:19:59,072 --> 00:20:01,658
Brian, Jen, Miguel…
287
00:20:01,742 --> 00:20:04,953
It was just like, "Hey, we're going
to the dump. Anybody want to come?"
288
00:20:05,037 --> 00:20:08,248
People would sort of say, like,
you know, scratch their heads, I think,
289
00:20:08,332 --> 00:20:10,083
and go, "You're going to the dump?"
290
00:20:10,167 --> 00:20:13,003
"Mom, can I go?" They're like,
"Are you going with your teacher?"
291
00:20:13,086 --> 00:20:15,923
I'm like, "Yes." "Sure, you could go."
292
00:20:25,849 --> 00:20:28,477
I don't know
where we're going. Down some dirt road.
293
00:20:29,061 --> 00:20:31,021
There's, like, garbage everywhere.
294
00:20:31,104 --> 00:20:33,232
It's a dump, yeah.
What do I expect, right?
295
00:20:45,327 --> 00:20:47,579
People said,
"Hey, you're being careful, right?"
296
00:20:47,663 --> 00:20:49,539
And I'd say, "Yes, I am."
297
00:20:50,958 --> 00:20:52,709
Did you trespass?
298
00:20:53,794 --> 00:20:54,670
Yes.
299
00:20:58,674 --> 00:21:01,051
It was trespassing.
I was breaking the law.
300
00:21:01,635 --> 00:21:05,097
I climbed over a fence,
and someone handed me a camera.
301
00:21:05,639 --> 00:21:06,807
-Hey, Rachel.
-What?
302
00:21:06,890 --> 00:21:07,975
Smile for us.
303
00:21:24,700 --> 00:21:27,619
Jeff, is it taping
when the arrows are moving
304
00:21:27,703 --> 00:21:28,996
or when it's stuck?
305
00:21:29,079 --> 00:21:30,872
-When the arrows are moving.
-All right.
306
00:21:32,082 --> 00:21:33,041
What are you taping?
307
00:21:33,125 --> 00:21:34,459
Where did that come from?
308
00:21:34,543 --> 00:21:35,711
All the holes.
309
00:21:37,629 --> 00:21:39,548
There was
some pretty good camera work in there.
310
00:21:39,631 --> 00:21:42,467
Maybe some of my finest early camera work.
311
00:21:42,551 --> 00:21:44,803
Someone should lie down in it
and just act dead.
312
00:21:44,886 --> 00:21:47,389
Yeah, you lie in this shit.
313
00:21:56,148 --> 00:21:57,733
Jeff, get up here!
314
00:22:00,110 --> 00:22:01,987
All right, honey, I'm coming.
315
00:22:06,283 --> 00:22:08,577
Don't go over the edge. They'll see us.
316
00:22:09,578 --> 00:22:11,246
Get a shot of that.
317
00:22:13,206 --> 00:22:15,083
It's like bubbling and shit.
318
00:22:15,167 --> 00:22:17,252
Get a lighter. Who's got a lighter?
319
00:22:17,336 --> 00:22:19,338
I wouldn't.
320
00:22:20,422 --> 00:22:22,924
-You hear it?
-Yeah. I can hear it.
321
00:22:23,508 --> 00:22:24,343
Hear what?
322
00:22:24,426 --> 00:22:25,844
-Rach.
-Hmm?
323
00:22:25,927 --> 00:22:28,597
Hear that. Get over here, get sound.
Where is that coming from?
324
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,098
Right in that mound of dirt.
325
00:22:31,475 --> 00:22:32,684
Get the camera right close.
326
00:22:32,768 --> 00:22:34,644
-Where is it?
-Hey, here you go.
327
00:22:34,728 --> 00:22:37,147
-What the hell is that?
-Just listen.
328
00:22:37,230 --> 00:22:39,649
Oh, God, it smells like shit!
329
00:22:39,733 --> 00:22:41,318
Damn!
330
00:22:45,030 --> 00:22:48,700
We're on the edge
of, uh, some kind of pond or pool.
331
00:22:48,784 --> 00:22:52,329
There's a green tint to it.
332
00:22:52,829 --> 00:22:54,498
How would you describe the smell?
333
00:22:54,581 --> 00:22:56,500
Oh, dead bodies and decay.
334
00:22:56,583 --> 00:22:58,460
Um, New Jersey.
335
00:22:59,586 --> 00:23:01,421
This is me skipping stones.
336
00:23:09,179 --> 00:23:11,264
We did step carefully,
337
00:23:11,765 --> 00:23:15,268
but it feels like
there was a little stupidity
338
00:23:15,352 --> 00:23:18,605
meets, like, being naive.
339
00:23:21,274 --> 00:23:24,820
As high school students,
we just saw bits and pieces.
340
00:23:25,695 --> 00:23:29,991
I don't think any of us
had any sense of the scale or depth
341
00:23:30,075 --> 00:23:31,868
of the story yet.
342
00:23:34,913 --> 00:23:39,084
Shakopee, Minnesota,
outside Minneapolis, 1973.
343
00:23:40,877 --> 00:23:44,673
A spectacular fire burns
4,000 waste drums,
344
00:23:44,756 --> 00:23:49,469
sending noxious clouds of smoke
and some of the barrels into the sky.
345
00:23:50,262 --> 00:23:53,557
Leakage from this dump site
has now poisoned groundwater here
346
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,475
with arsenic and lead.
347
00:23:57,060 --> 00:23:59,980
Though there were other stories
that were percolating around then
348
00:24:00,063 --> 00:24:03,150
about landfills and the problems
that they caused,
349
00:24:03,233 --> 00:24:05,944
Love Canal was the granddaddy of them all.
350
00:24:06,611 --> 00:24:10,157
Niagara Falls, New York, August 1978.
351
00:24:10,782 --> 00:24:13,743
Deadly chemicals seeping out
of an abandoned waste dump
352
00:24:13,827 --> 00:24:17,122
called the Love Canal
are blamed for health problems
353
00:24:17,205 --> 00:24:20,208
ranging from nervous disorders
to birth defects.
354
00:24:20,292 --> 00:24:24,212
Five-year-old Mark Dunmire lives
five blocks from the canal.
355
00:24:24,296 --> 00:24:26,214
He was born with a heart murmur,
356
00:24:26,298 --> 00:24:29,885
a urinary tract obstruction,
and a diseased pancreas.
357
00:24:29,968 --> 00:24:32,304
He can't play in his basement anymore.
358
00:24:32,387 --> 00:24:33,722
It's contaminated.
359
00:24:33,805 --> 00:24:35,348
What's in there?
360
00:24:36,141 --> 00:24:37,434
Chemicals.
361
00:24:38,143 --> 00:24:40,395
And what happens with those chemicals?
362
00:24:40,479 --> 00:24:42,439
They get you very sick.
363
00:24:44,691 --> 00:24:48,236
I'm happy to say, however, that based
on what we have seen and evaluated,
364
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,698
there is no evidence of benzene toxicity.
365
00:24:51,781 --> 00:24:54,618
We are coming across some abnormalities.
366
00:24:54,701 --> 00:24:56,578
This is to be expected in any population.
367
00:24:56,661 --> 00:24:59,539
As you know, there are a variety of things
that can cause liver disease
368
00:24:59,623 --> 00:25:00,957
besides toxic chemicals.
369
00:25:01,541 --> 00:25:02,626
Yes, ma'am.
370
00:25:02,709 --> 00:25:04,836
I have
an eight-and-a-half-year-old asthmatic.
371
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,381
I have been told by my doctors
to get her out of this area.
372
00:25:08,465 --> 00:25:09,299
Perhaps under…
373
00:25:09,382 --> 00:25:10,759
It was a travesty.
374
00:25:11,343 --> 00:25:15,931
Would you please tell me,
do I let my 3-year-old stay?
375
00:25:16,515 --> 00:25:19,476
She has a birth defect now.
376
00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:23,146
What are you gonna do for my kids?
What are you gonna do? Nothing!
377
00:25:23,230 --> 00:25:24,439
They gotta go.
378
00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:27,359
It-- The damage is done, man!
The damage is done!
379
00:25:30,862 --> 00:25:35,325
I believe that what was happening
near the Wallkill Dump was the same thing.
380
00:25:36,910 --> 00:25:40,038
This is like Love Canal.
This is as bad as Love Canal.
381
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:41,915
And Don agreed.
382
00:25:53,885 --> 00:25:55,845
Good morning, my name is Valerie Basso,
383
00:25:55,929 --> 00:25:58,056
and I'm a student
at Middletown High School,
384
00:25:58,139 --> 00:26:00,642
and I am here interviewing Don.
385
00:26:00,725 --> 00:26:02,644
Thank you for coming, everybody.
386
00:26:02,727 --> 00:26:07,274
Don, how do you feel about this landfill
and everything, about being around it?
387
00:26:08,191 --> 00:26:12,237
Uh, well, it's taken a long time
to even-- to find any feelings
388
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,240
because when I first got involved,
I didn't know what the situation was.
389
00:26:15,323 --> 00:26:18,159
I didn't know how bad the toxic waste was.
390
00:26:19,035 --> 00:26:20,120
Something isn't right.
391
00:26:20,203 --> 00:26:23,915
There's a feeling in the community
of something not right.
392
00:26:24,457 --> 00:26:27,502
Do you think eventually
the water will cause birth defects, or…?
393
00:26:27,586 --> 00:26:30,630
It is already. It has to.
394
00:26:30,714 --> 00:26:34,759
One woman came up in tears.
She had three children who were deaf.
395
00:26:35,969 --> 00:26:37,929
And she swears the water did it.
396
00:26:38,972 --> 00:26:41,474
But all I've ever done
since I ever came here was fight.
397
00:26:42,267 --> 00:26:43,852
And I think that people like yourselves,
398
00:26:43,935 --> 00:26:46,187
I think your generation
are willing to fight.
399
00:26:47,272 --> 00:26:50,025
But what makes you think
that the politicians and everybody
400
00:26:50,108 --> 00:26:52,736
are gonna be willing to listen?
How do you think we get through?
401
00:26:52,819 --> 00:26:56,239
You get on national television,
on Mike Wallace,
402
00:26:56,323 --> 00:26:57,949
you're gonna make the great changes.
403
00:26:58,033 --> 00:27:00,201
I don't believe that. I know that.
404
00:27:01,036 --> 00:27:04,748
Um, if we wanna find out more about this,
who do we invite in for an interview?
405
00:27:04,831 --> 00:27:06,041
Everyone.
406
00:27:06,833 --> 00:27:09,628
Everyone has a little piece
of the-- of the story.
407
00:27:09,711 --> 00:27:12,714
That's why film is a wonderful medium.
408
00:27:12,797 --> 00:27:16,384
It is our literature
for the next thousand years.
409
00:27:21,931 --> 00:27:24,559
-The smell is making me sick, Fred.
-Yeah?
410
00:27:24,643 --> 00:27:26,811
Yeah, I don't feel well.
411
00:27:26,895 --> 00:27:28,647
-You serious? Me too.
-Yeah!
412
00:27:29,356 --> 00:27:30,857
Give us a line, D.B.
413
00:27:30,940 --> 00:27:31,900
Beyotch.
414
00:27:31,983 --> 00:27:35,153
I can't believe you guys have this tape.
415
00:27:36,237 --> 00:27:38,698
Get your establishing shot, Trey.
416
00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:46,247
You know, you want
to expose students to stuff.
417
00:27:46,331 --> 00:27:48,416
Here it is. This is real life.
418
00:27:49,542 --> 00:27:51,378
We weren't doing Romeo and Juliet,
419
00:27:51,461 --> 00:27:53,421
but we were doing Dutch and Willy.
420
00:27:53,505 --> 00:27:55,340
Now, is your last name Meyer?
421
00:27:55,423 --> 00:27:57,676
-Myers. M-Y-E-R-S.
-Myers, Willy.
422
00:27:57,759 --> 00:27:58,802
Bill Myers.
423
00:27:58,885 --> 00:28:02,138
I'm here with Dutch Smith,
former employee of the Wallkill Landfill.
424
00:28:03,139 --> 00:28:04,891
How long did you work at the landfill?
425
00:28:04,974 --> 00:28:06,851
Dutch and Willy were such characters.
426
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:10,230
I feel like if you went to Central Casting
427
00:28:10,313 --> 00:28:12,649
and asked for a landfill worker,
428
00:28:12,732 --> 00:28:14,067
you'd get Dutch Smith.
429
00:28:14,567 --> 00:28:16,611
He kind of reminded me of Popeye.
430
00:28:17,737 --> 00:28:20,824
I mean, Dutch still lived
in a trailer right next to the dump.
431
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,868
You knew they lived there
their whole life.
432
00:28:23,952 --> 00:28:26,579
You knew they knew everybody.
Everybody knew them.
433
00:28:26,663 --> 00:28:30,458
You-- You just knew guys like that
weren't making stuff up.
434
00:28:30,542 --> 00:28:32,293
What have you seen in your years here?
435
00:28:32,377 --> 00:28:35,213
Everything. If you can name it,
it's in there.
436
00:28:35,296 --> 00:28:37,716
-And how much went in?
-Plenty.
437
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:40,218
-Every day?
-Every single day of the week.
438
00:28:40,969 --> 00:28:42,721
Some of it was like jelly.
439
00:28:44,013 --> 00:28:46,266
Some of it was in a powder form.
440
00:28:46,766 --> 00:28:50,562
Some of it was in like a-- a cube form.
441
00:28:50,645 --> 00:28:54,023
There's thousands and thousands
of tons of toxic waste in there.
442
00:28:54,107 --> 00:28:56,860
And I know it's in there
because I buried lots of it.
443
00:28:56,943 --> 00:29:00,363
Well, mostly it was me
and, uh, Dutch's father-in-law
444
00:29:00,447 --> 00:29:01,865
running the dump.
445
00:29:01,948 --> 00:29:03,700
And then he got in that problem.
446
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,869
-What happened to him?
-Well, he--
447
00:29:05,952 --> 00:29:08,163
-Were you there when it happened?
-Yeah, I was there.
448
00:29:08,246 --> 00:29:10,498
He run into the powder chemicals.
449
00:29:10,999 --> 00:29:14,127
And the cab all filled up
and, you know, and, uh…
450
00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:18,256
He couldn't breathe very good.
They took him to the hospital.
451
00:29:18,339 --> 00:29:21,676
He was in bad shape before he died.
Couldn't get his breath.
452
00:29:22,802 --> 00:29:26,139
To go from Don and Fred
kind of talking about it,
453
00:29:26,222 --> 00:29:30,101
once you have
these firsthand accounts of it,
454
00:29:30,185 --> 00:29:31,394
it becomes real.
455
00:29:31,895 --> 00:29:35,607
Anybody come in there without a permit,
we used to tell them you couldn't dump.
456
00:29:35,690 --> 00:29:36,608
Right.
457
00:29:36,691 --> 00:29:39,360
Ten minutes later or a half hour later,
they'd be back.
458
00:29:39,444 --> 00:29:41,029
They had a permit to dump.
459
00:29:41,112 --> 00:29:45,200
There was very few what you could call
local trucks around here.
460
00:29:45,283 --> 00:29:47,076
It-- It was all big companies.
461
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,287
-From out of the area.
-From out of the area.
462
00:29:49,871 --> 00:29:52,457
Yeah, well, I knowed it was wrong
by putting it in there,
463
00:29:52,540 --> 00:29:55,919
but, you know, hey, the town gave them
the okay and I worked for the town.
464
00:29:56,002 --> 00:29:58,630
What could I say?
Well, I couldn't tell the guy to leave.
465
00:29:58,713 --> 00:30:00,757
-All right, thanks a lot, Dutch.
-Yeah, be good.
466
00:30:02,050 --> 00:30:03,468
I was so excited.
467
00:30:05,094 --> 00:30:07,305
We thought for sure
we had blown this thing open
468
00:30:07,388 --> 00:30:09,390
and we were going to make some headlines.
469
00:30:09,891 --> 00:30:12,435
I told my wife, I said,
"They're all Mafia-owned."
470
00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:13,645
"I'll lay money on it."
471
00:30:13,728 --> 00:30:15,897
I felt like, "Wow, what a scoop."
472
00:30:15,980 --> 00:30:19,192
I mean, if the newspaper knew this,
the story was going to get out.
473
00:30:20,109 --> 00:30:24,781
The Times Herald-Record played
a vital role in the community.
474
00:30:26,241 --> 00:30:30,119
If it didn't make it into the Record,
it was almost as if it didn't happen.
475
00:30:31,412 --> 00:30:33,248
For a minute,
I thought you worked for Cable 6,
476
00:30:33,331 --> 00:30:34,749
and I noticed you were shooting VHS.
477
00:30:34,833 --> 00:30:36,459
Yeah. Middletown High School.
478
00:30:36,543 --> 00:30:38,586
Yeah, okay. You work with Fred?
479
00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:40,922
We thought our local paper
would be excited and outraged
480
00:30:41,005 --> 00:30:42,590
over the information we brought to light,
481
00:30:42,674 --> 00:30:45,385
but we found out we got
no encouragement from them whatsoever.
482
00:30:46,052 --> 00:30:49,556
So it was like, okay, new approach.
483
00:30:49,639 --> 00:30:53,977
Let's just invite the paper's editor
to come talk to our journalism class.
484
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:56,479
I think he thought,
"Yeah, I'm just gonna go talk
485
00:30:56,563 --> 00:30:58,940
to a few kids in a high school."
How bad could that go?
486
00:31:03,862 --> 00:31:06,281
Hi, I'm Trey Long here with Gary Grossman,
487
00:31:06,364 --> 00:31:08,283
the editor-in-chief
of the Times Herald-Record.
488
00:31:08,366 --> 00:31:10,201
Thank you very much
for coming, Mr. Grossman.
489
00:31:10,285 --> 00:31:13,746
Um, one thing that we find ourselves
very concerned with is the environment.
490
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:15,790
And I know Jeff has some questions for you
491
00:31:15,874 --> 00:31:19,043
concerning the environment
as far as Orange County
492
00:31:19,127 --> 00:31:21,004
and how the Record deals with it.
493
00:31:21,504 --> 00:31:23,506
Um… Um…
494
00:31:25,008 --> 00:31:27,510
We, uh… A lot of students
in the journalism class,
495
00:31:27,594 --> 00:31:30,680
we made a video about solid waste
disposal in Orange County.
496
00:31:30,763 --> 00:31:32,265
And I dropped off the tape
497
00:31:32,348 --> 00:31:34,601
at the, um, Times Herald-Record
Middletown office.
498
00:31:34,684 --> 00:31:36,311
I was wondering if you ever saw that tape.
499
00:31:36,394 --> 00:31:38,062
-No. No.
-You haven't.
500
00:31:38,146 --> 00:31:41,858
Well, let me explain to you
a little about what it was. Um…
501
00:31:41,941 --> 00:31:45,403
It was about the-- the problem
we're having in the landfills
502
00:31:45,486 --> 00:31:48,281
and the problem with solid waste disposal.
503
00:31:48,364 --> 00:31:52,911
And one of the major differences
between our tape, the focus point,
504
00:31:52,994 --> 00:31:58,207
was that our tape showed it
as an environmental problem.
505
00:31:58,291 --> 00:32:00,084
Whereas I think that,
506
00:32:00,168 --> 00:32:02,587
from what I've read
in the reporting in The Record,
507
00:32:02,670 --> 00:32:06,049
it sees it more as an economic problem
for the people of Orange County.
508
00:32:06,132 --> 00:32:07,675
What do you think about that?
509
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:10,678
Well, I think they're probably hard
to, uh, separate, don't you?
510
00:32:12,138 --> 00:32:15,308
-It'd be hard to separate?
-Yeah. I-- I think that, uh…
511
00:32:16,476 --> 00:32:19,771
a lot of environmental solutions
have economic costs.
512
00:32:19,854 --> 00:32:23,066
And to some extent, the determination
of the environmental solution…
513
00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:28,154
uh, depends on what people
are willing to pay for it.
514
00:32:28,237 --> 00:32:30,406
He looks so mad.
515
00:32:32,951 --> 00:32:34,744
Well, um, another difference
516
00:32:34,827 --> 00:32:37,455
is that a lot of people
that we've interviewed,
517
00:32:37,538 --> 00:32:40,249
um, blame the problem on corruption.
518
00:32:40,333 --> 00:32:42,835
-What was your question?
-I'm just saying, um…
519
00:32:43,419 --> 00:32:46,464
that the people
we've interviewed have said
520
00:32:46,547 --> 00:32:49,133
that there is a problem there
of corruption.
521
00:32:49,217 --> 00:32:51,594
Possibly. Do they have proof?
522
00:32:53,763 --> 00:32:55,348
Well, um…
523
00:32:56,057 --> 00:32:58,059
We're all entitled to our opinions
about everything.
524
00:32:58,142 --> 00:32:59,978
One of the things
we have to learn as reporters
525
00:33:00,061 --> 00:33:02,730
is that, uh…
There's an old saying in our business,
526
00:33:02,814 --> 00:33:05,024
when your mother says she loves you,
check it out.
527
00:33:06,442 --> 00:33:07,318
And that is that, uh,
528
00:33:07,402 --> 00:33:09,946
just about anything you see,
you should be skeptical about.
529
00:33:10,613 --> 00:33:12,907
Gary's mom didn't love him.
530
00:33:12,991 --> 00:33:16,119
But don't you see that as corruption?
Isn't there a cover-up there?
531
00:33:16,202 --> 00:33:18,204
I don't know. I mean, do you?
532
00:33:18,287 --> 00:33:20,498
-Yeah, I see it as corruption.
-I don't know. Okay.
533
00:33:20,581 --> 00:33:22,583
Well, you're entitled to your opinion.
534
00:33:23,334 --> 00:33:26,087
The point I made earlier,
which I don't think you quite get,
535
00:33:26,170 --> 00:33:28,214
is that beliefs are not important.
536
00:33:28,297 --> 00:33:30,883
Verification is important.
Reporting is important.
537
00:33:30,967 --> 00:33:33,761
It's not what you believe,
it's what you can prove.
538
00:33:33,845 --> 00:33:36,347
And I-- I recognize
that you have to somehow start out
539
00:33:36,431 --> 00:33:39,308
with a worldview,
and you have to investigate it.
540
00:33:39,809 --> 00:33:42,145
Your job is to search out the facts
541
00:33:42,645 --> 00:33:44,689
and to be able to prove what you write.
542
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,692
Is it true? Is it verifiable?
543
00:33:48,401 --> 00:33:49,777
Because it can be libel.
544
00:33:49,861 --> 00:33:51,070
-Well--
-You can hurt people.
545
00:33:51,154 --> 00:33:53,781
We've asked the questions
and we've done the research,
546
00:33:53,865 --> 00:33:56,325
and still nobody wants to listen to us.
547
00:33:56,826 --> 00:33:59,704
We dropped the tape off
at the Times Herald-Record.
548
00:33:59,787 --> 00:34:01,581
-And nobody saw it.
-Mm-hmm.
549
00:34:01,664 --> 00:34:04,042
We've done the research, but nobody's--
550
00:34:04,125 --> 00:34:06,544
It's tough.
Sometimes people don't read the paper too.
551
00:34:06,627 --> 00:34:08,254
I recognize it. It's tough.
552
00:34:08,337 --> 00:34:10,631
We have an extra tape
if you'd like to have one now.
553
00:34:10,715 --> 00:34:12,175
I don't really want to see your tape.
554
00:34:12,258 --> 00:34:14,010
If your tape was dropped off at the paper,
555
00:34:14,093 --> 00:34:16,095
I'm sure somebody at the papers
looked at it.
556
00:34:17,972 --> 00:34:20,683
What you've discovered there
may not be news.
557
00:34:20,767 --> 00:34:23,561
It may be something
that everybody's working on.
558
00:34:23,644 --> 00:34:26,814
It may be something that people
are working very hard to solve.
559
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:28,941
My question to you, I guess, is,
560
00:34:29,025 --> 00:34:32,278
what is it you think you have
that hasn't been reported,
561
00:34:33,404 --> 00:34:35,031
and how do you know it's true?
562
00:34:40,328 --> 00:34:43,998
I'm n-nervous for that kid, you know?
563
00:34:45,249 --> 00:34:49,545
I think I started doubting
if any of-- of what I was saying was true.
564
00:34:50,129 --> 00:34:52,757
I'd like to thank Mr. Grossman again
for stopping by,
565
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,094
and thank you all
for participating the way you did.
566
00:34:56,177 --> 00:34:58,096
Thank you.
567
00:35:03,976 --> 00:35:05,728
Okay.
568
00:35:11,567 --> 00:35:13,361
I'd like to introduce you to…
569
00:35:15,404 --> 00:35:17,824
my wife, Denise.
570
00:35:18,324 --> 00:35:21,577
My daughter… Sadie,
571
00:35:21,661 --> 00:35:23,663
and our snowman.
572
00:35:25,748 --> 00:35:27,625
And me. I'm…
573
00:35:29,377 --> 00:35:31,170
I'm, uh, Daddy.
574
00:35:33,297 --> 00:35:34,924
I think I was generally pretty good
575
00:35:35,007 --> 00:35:38,094
about separating
school time from family time.
576
00:35:38,928 --> 00:35:40,429
But still, there were days
577
00:35:40,513 --> 00:35:44,433
when thinking about our investigation
was pretty consuming.
578
00:35:44,517 --> 00:35:46,310
Come on, let's raise some hell.
579
00:35:46,394 --> 00:35:47,436
Here.
580
00:35:53,442 --> 00:35:56,112
Yeah, so just go
off in that direction, looking serious.
581
00:35:56,195 --> 00:35:58,030
So everybody, quiet on the set.
Here we go.
582
00:35:58,114 --> 00:36:00,116
-Throw a snowball.
-Okay.
583
00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:01,701
My name is Jeff Dutemple,
584
00:36:01,784 --> 00:36:03,786
and I'm a student
in Middletown High School.
585
00:36:03,870 --> 00:36:06,664
Okay, wait, stop. We're gonna take
that part out, we decided.
586
00:36:06,747 --> 00:36:09,750
-Okay. Okay.
-Just a little bit louder, but not much.
587
00:36:10,501 --> 00:36:11,544
This old dump is s--
588
00:36:11,627 --> 00:36:13,671
-Is a sym-- Ooh.
-Start with "this old dump."
589
00:36:13,754 --> 00:36:16,549
Yeah. This old dump is symbolic
of the general failure
590
00:36:16,632 --> 00:36:18,718
of our government to protect us.
591
00:36:19,385 --> 00:36:21,762
Okay, hang on.
That was good, except this thing.
592
00:36:21,846 --> 00:36:23,848
I'm gonna have to go on manual.
593
00:36:23,931 --> 00:36:25,766
During my freshman year of high school,
594
00:36:25,850 --> 00:36:30,438
my dad got into some criminal issues.
595
00:36:30,521 --> 00:36:35,359
He-- He got busted
for basically stealing from his company.
596
00:36:36,152 --> 00:36:38,279
I don't even know if they do this anymore,
597
00:36:38,362 --> 00:36:40,323
uh, but he served weekends.
598
00:36:40,406 --> 00:36:42,366
He was-- He served weekend jail.
599
00:36:42,450 --> 00:36:46,037
So we would drop him off
at like 5:00 p.m. on Friday
600
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,831
and then pick him up,
uh, 5:00 p.m. on Sunday.
601
00:36:51,375 --> 00:36:52,960
He was an alcoholic.
602
00:36:53,461 --> 00:36:57,256
You know, I think he always felt bad
about how his life turned out.
603
00:37:00,134 --> 00:37:03,429
Okay, if I can just get a shot
of you standing here looking serious,
604
00:37:03,512 --> 00:37:04,847
like right there.
605
00:37:04,931 --> 00:37:06,140
Come a little bit closer.
606
00:37:06,224 --> 00:37:08,142
Wait. Get a close-up of me?
607
00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:09,477
Try not to laugh.
608
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,397
I 100% think that, um, Fred,
609
00:37:13,481 --> 00:37:15,942
you know, he didn't know it,
610
00:37:16,025 --> 00:37:19,737
and, you know, I probably didn't
recognize it at the time,
611
00:37:19,820 --> 00:37:23,991
but looking back on it,
he was a good role model for me.
612
00:37:25,243 --> 00:37:28,371
Okay, now reverse it.
613
00:37:28,454 --> 00:37:30,957
Walk toward us and stop.
614
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,792
And there was no judgment.
615
00:37:35,336 --> 00:37:36,587
He's sneaky.
616
00:37:36,671 --> 00:37:40,091
Like, he never-- He never felt
like a teacher, you know?
617
00:37:40,174 --> 00:37:42,593
And-- And, like, in the best way possible.
618
00:37:42,677 --> 00:37:48,391
Like, he talked to every student
619
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:51,686
as if they were an equal.
620
00:37:51,769 --> 00:37:53,896
The-- Cut!
621
00:37:53,980 --> 00:37:56,857
Jeff, did I say a word?
Did I even make any facial expressions?
622
00:37:56,941 --> 00:38:00,361
My lens is getting all wet.
We got it. We're good.
623
00:38:06,158 --> 00:38:10,246
We would work after school,
on weekends, during vacations.
624
00:38:10,329 --> 00:38:13,082
Garbage never sleeps, so we were…
625
00:38:13,165 --> 00:38:14,500
We would work anytime.
626
00:38:41,736 --> 00:38:43,487
For a lot of families in Middletown,
627
00:38:43,571 --> 00:38:45,573
it's a lot of just stay under the radar.
628
00:38:45,656 --> 00:38:47,533
Right? Like, don't get in trouble.
629
00:38:47,616 --> 00:38:50,202
Don't be too vocal. Don't be too visible.
630
00:38:50,286 --> 00:38:52,705
A lot of people had
a lot of negative things to say about us.
631
00:38:52,788 --> 00:38:55,541
A lot of people judged us,
a lot of people lab-- labeled us
632
00:38:55,624 --> 00:38:58,502
as tree-hugging activists,
misdirected youth.
633
00:38:59,337 --> 00:39:00,546
My overall feeling
634
00:39:00,629 --> 00:39:04,342
is that my colleagues
are either jealous, intimidated, or dull.
635
00:39:04,842 --> 00:39:07,136
I got an… Oh, yeah. Go fish.
636
00:39:07,219 --> 00:39:12,224
Certainly other educators
would have us believe
637
00:39:12,308 --> 00:39:14,727
that Fred was a crackpot,
638
00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:20,274
and that we were following
someone down a path that…
639
00:39:22,234 --> 00:39:23,402
was not reality.
640
00:39:32,453 --> 00:39:36,499
And, uh, it's-- it's this guy
with a-- a pretty heavy accent.
641
00:39:36,582 --> 00:39:39,168
And he said,
"You're scraping the tip of the iceberg."
642
00:39:39,251 --> 00:39:41,629
"I got the whole story.
I was there. I got it." You know?
643
00:39:41,712 --> 00:39:43,964
"You can call me Mr. B.
I'll be in touch with you again."
644
00:39:44,048 --> 00:39:46,050
"Nice talking to you." And he hangs up.
645
00:39:51,389 --> 00:39:54,850
Informer, you no say daddy
Mi Snow me I go blame
646
00:39:54,934 --> 00:39:56,435
I lick he boom-boom down
647
00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:59,730
'Tective man a say, say daddy me Snow
Me stab someone down the lane
648
00:39:59,814 --> 00:40:01,899
…they come
And-a they blow down me door…
649
00:40:01,982 --> 00:40:05,027
Oh! We're heading down
the main road of Middletown, New York.
650
00:40:05,111 --> 00:40:07,696
-The diner, that was our hangout.
-Pre-game spot!
651
00:40:07,780 --> 00:40:09,782
The place to feast here in Middletown.
652
00:40:10,658 --> 00:40:12,368
…with my dibbie-dibbie girl
653
00:40:12,451 --> 00:40:15,079
Police knock my door, lick up my pal
654
00:40:15,162 --> 00:40:17,289
Rough me up and I can't do a thing…
655
00:40:17,373 --> 00:40:18,666
Pick up my line when my…
656
00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:35,766
We were sort of toiling
in obscurity, it felt like.
657
00:40:35,850 --> 00:40:39,770
I mean, I wasn't totally clear
if we should keep going.
658
00:40:41,272 --> 00:40:45,443
I remember I asked Fred if he thought
we should try a new approach.
659
00:40:46,485 --> 00:40:48,404
He said, "Yeah, I would push harder."
660
00:40:49,071 --> 00:40:50,990
I have a friend who's a trapper.
661
00:40:51,657 --> 00:40:54,827
He would notice that some of the raccoons
662
00:40:54,910 --> 00:40:57,872
had more toes than they should have had.
663
00:40:57,955 --> 00:41:00,624
I call it the mutants of Bloomingburg.
664
00:41:02,001 --> 00:41:03,085
What is that?
665
00:41:03,669 --> 00:41:06,172
Well, you see, this is the head
of a rabid raccoon.
666
00:41:07,256 --> 00:41:11,051
Fred took us on a field trip
to meet New York's wildlife pathologist.
667
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,554
And we're going in.
668
00:41:14,305 --> 00:41:16,932
I mean, it's crazy
that the entire state of New York
669
00:41:17,016 --> 00:41:18,934
has one pathologist,
670
00:41:19,518 --> 00:41:23,314
and that he would
just travel around all day, every day,
671
00:41:23,397 --> 00:41:24,690
to-- to try to…
672
00:41:25,649 --> 00:41:27,860
you know, save the environment.
673
00:41:29,361 --> 00:41:30,946
I think you should get in there.
674
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:36,494
Although it looks pretty crowded,
675
00:41:36,577 --> 00:41:39,788
it's really a pretty good laboratory
for basic pathology.
676
00:41:40,372 --> 00:41:42,208
Be careful not to step on the blood here.
677
00:41:45,836 --> 00:41:46,962
Uh-oh.
678
00:41:48,714 --> 00:41:50,174
Ew!
679
00:41:52,968 --> 00:41:56,263
Okay, uh… Quite a lot of you. Wow.
680
00:41:57,014 --> 00:41:59,850
I watched your, uh…
I've watched your tapes.
681
00:42:01,143 --> 00:42:03,729
And I thought you did
a really excellent job.
682
00:42:04,396 --> 00:42:11,195
I also watched the, uh, critique
by the Middletown newspaper editor.
683
00:42:12,571 --> 00:42:17,076
And, uh, I wasn't surprised
by the kinds of things that he said.
684
00:42:17,826 --> 00:42:19,537
There's a valuable lesson in that,
685
00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:22,373
and that is that you can be
absolutely right in what you do,
686
00:42:23,207 --> 00:42:25,501
and it doesn't mean
that it's going to be accepted.
687
00:42:25,584 --> 00:42:27,795
You can run into stiff opposition.
688
00:42:28,504 --> 00:42:32,466
Polluters have
an inordinate amount of influence
689
00:42:33,050 --> 00:42:35,302
on what gets done in government.
690
00:42:35,386 --> 00:42:38,264
I mean, an ordinary person
does not have the influence
691
00:42:38,347 --> 00:42:42,393
that a president of a corporation
like General Motors does,
692
00:42:42,476 --> 00:42:46,522
which makes it difficult
to fight powerful adversaries.
693
00:42:46,605 --> 00:42:49,233
You can only do it
by being very determined.
694
00:42:50,025 --> 00:42:50,859
Any questions?
695
00:42:52,903 --> 00:42:55,155
We loved Ward immediately.
696
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,868
He took the element of crackpot
away from Fred and Don.
697
00:42:59,952 --> 00:43:04,081
I am a scientist
I seek to understand me
698
00:43:04,164 --> 00:43:08,002
All of my impurities
And evils yet unknown…
699
00:43:08,627 --> 00:43:10,254
Get a shot of your boots.
700
00:43:12,256 --> 00:43:18,012
I am an incurable
And nothing else behaves like me
701
00:43:18,512 --> 00:43:22,391
I guess if we thought of like Fred
as sort of a father figure to us,
702
00:43:22,474 --> 00:43:25,352
Ward Stone would be
like the crotchety uncle.
703
00:43:26,687 --> 00:43:28,814
I found him incredibly inspiring.
704
00:43:28,897 --> 00:43:33,902
…clues for which I search
And choose to abuse…
705
00:43:34,528 --> 00:43:38,365
See the IV tubes and bags.
IV bags and tubes.
706
00:43:39,366 --> 00:43:40,409
Mmm.
707
00:43:40,909 --> 00:43:42,244
Probably twice a head.
708
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:43,996
IV tube.
709
00:43:46,582 --> 00:43:48,250
Some medicine vials too.
710
00:43:49,043 --> 00:43:51,712
And I know what's right
711
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,508
But I'm losing sight of the clues
712
00:43:56,592 --> 00:44:00,512
For which I search
And choose to abuse
713
00:44:00,596 --> 00:44:03,098
To just unlock my mind
714
00:44:03,182 --> 00:44:06,935
Yeah, and just unlock my mind
715
00:44:07,019 --> 00:44:10,314
-"February 7th, 1974."
-'74.
716
00:44:10,397 --> 00:44:11,815
On the medical waste.
717
00:44:13,275 --> 00:44:15,361
Like, I-- It was so out in the open.
718
00:44:15,444 --> 00:44:19,031
Like, we weren't digging.
We were just walking around.
719
00:44:19,114 --> 00:44:21,408
So then it was sort of leading to,
720
00:44:21,492 --> 00:44:23,952
"Well, if this is what's on the surface,
what's underneath?"
721
00:44:24,536 --> 00:44:27,247
So you're gonna be talking to me,
I'm gonna be looking at you or what?
722
00:44:27,331 --> 00:44:29,792
-Um, you can talk to him.
-Yeah.
723
00:44:29,875 --> 00:44:31,794
So what's this we're looking at here?
724
00:44:31,877 --> 00:44:34,713
Well, we haven't
got all our data back on it.
725
00:44:34,797 --> 00:44:37,132
This is not the kind of stuff
that you want to move
726
00:44:37,216 --> 00:44:40,719
on down to the stream
and further on down into the wetlands.
727
00:44:46,183 --> 00:44:50,771
I think we knew
that toxic waste was illegally dumped.
728
00:44:51,355 --> 00:44:55,025
What we didn't know
was who was allowing it to happen.
729
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:57,403
Who's allowing this to continue to happen?
730
00:44:57,486 --> 00:44:59,488
Who allowed it to happen for 20 years?
731
00:44:59,571 --> 00:45:04,034
Who ever thought it was a good idea
to put a landfill on an aquifer?
732
00:45:04,118 --> 00:45:07,371
Okay, pretend that I'm Mario Cuomo
733
00:45:07,454 --> 00:45:09,498
and you're telling me all about this mess.
734
00:45:09,581 --> 00:45:12,251
The landfill was built
on top of an aquifer,
735
00:45:12,334 --> 00:45:14,920
which is like a moving water source,
736
00:45:15,003 --> 00:45:19,258
which feeds into the local water
and into the Hudson River.
737
00:45:20,050 --> 00:45:22,928
It was the water
which my parents were drinking,
738
00:45:23,011 --> 00:45:24,304
which I was drinking.
739
00:45:24,388 --> 00:45:27,474
I went home and said,
"We need to buy bottled water."
740
00:45:27,558 --> 00:45:30,185
My mother grew up
in the East River housing projects
741
00:45:30,269 --> 00:45:31,437
in East Harlem.
742
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,856
She was like, "Pay for water?
We're not gonna pay for water."
743
00:45:33,939 --> 00:45:35,858
Like, "Water bottles?
What are you talking about?"
744
00:45:35,941 --> 00:45:39,945
We brought in the people
who were the usual suspects.
745
00:45:40,821 --> 00:45:43,115
You were also town supervisor of Wallkill.
746
00:45:43,699 --> 00:45:46,702
Was there any toxic waste
being brought in there
747
00:45:46,785 --> 00:45:48,704
that, you know, that anybody…
748
00:45:48,787 --> 00:45:50,122
Uh, well, at the time
749
00:45:50,205 --> 00:45:52,833
that the landfill was being used,
the regulations were such
750
00:45:52,916 --> 00:45:55,335
that everything that was put there
was allowed to be put there.
751
00:45:55,419 --> 00:45:56,670
Later, the regulations changed,
752
00:45:56,754 --> 00:45:59,631
and they said some things were no longer
allowed to be put into a landfill,
753
00:45:59,715 --> 00:46:01,258
and they have since been taken out.
754
00:46:01,341 --> 00:46:04,303
They have been? So there's, like,
nothing leaking into the stream?
755
00:46:04,386 --> 00:46:05,846
Well, not to my knowledge.
756
00:46:06,555 --> 00:46:09,892
One of the most interesting things
about this entire process
757
00:46:09,975 --> 00:46:13,729
was learning that we could talk to adults
as if we were adults.
758
00:46:13,812 --> 00:46:16,440
You sorta see that in some
of these interviews, them not expecting
759
00:46:16,523 --> 00:46:20,944
kids to be bringing up
such serious allegations from their past.
760
00:46:21,028 --> 00:46:23,989
Um, does anybody else have any questions?
761
00:46:24,072 --> 00:46:26,992
Um, do you think
that working for a major corporation
762
00:46:27,075 --> 00:46:31,205
after, um, being in government
raises an ethical problem?
763
00:46:31,288 --> 00:46:33,540
Would you want me to go on welfare?
764
00:46:33,624 --> 00:46:36,460
Explain to me. I don't understand
your question. That's what I'm saying.
765
00:46:36,543 --> 00:46:38,212
Follow through and explain to me
766
00:46:38,295 --> 00:46:41,215
what you're-- what you're not saying
and what you're thinking.
767
00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:45,219
I said what I had to say.
768
00:46:45,302 --> 00:46:47,888
There's two rules that we've got.
769
00:46:47,971 --> 00:46:50,974
You be respectful, courteous,
that sort of thing,
770
00:46:51,058 --> 00:46:54,019
and you also speak the truth.
771
00:46:54,102 --> 00:46:57,272
Don't be respectful to the point
where you're not really meaning it.
772
00:46:57,356 --> 00:46:58,190
Be yourself.
773
00:46:58,273 --> 00:47:00,192
Fred was like,
"Here, interview these people."
774
00:47:00,275 --> 00:47:04,363
And I just loved making,
you know, old white men squirm.
775
00:47:04,446 --> 00:47:07,282
In 1974, during your term
776
00:47:07,366 --> 00:47:11,453
was when they built
the Orange County Landfill.
777
00:47:11,954 --> 00:47:13,705
-Is that correct?
-That's correct.
778
00:47:13,789 --> 00:47:16,917
Um, it was built on an aquifer.
779
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,919
Why-- Why was that?
780
00:47:19,002 --> 00:47:22,548
When we first put
that landfill in, in 1974,
781
00:47:22,631 --> 00:47:24,675
it was considered a model
by the state of New York.
782
00:47:24,758 --> 00:47:25,592
Mm-hmm.
783
00:47:25,676 --> 00:47:28,095
In those days,
no one talked about aquifers.
784
00:47:28,178 --> 00:47:31,139
Well, in 1970,
there was a groundwater study,
785
00:47:31,223 --> 00:47:33,559
and I had just thought
that common sense would say
786
00:47:33,642 --> 00:47:36,603
that you don't put your garbage
in your water.
787
00:47:36,687 --> 00:47:38,772
May have been,
but I don't have recollection of it.
788
00:47:38,856 --> 00:47:44,444
I felt like no one cared what I had to say
in my, you know, 15, 16-year-old body.
789
00:47:44,528 --> 00:47:46,613
But you put a camera in my hands,
790
00:47:46,697 --> 00:47:50,576
and I filmed something
that gets adults upset,
791
00:47:50,659 --> 00:47:51,785
and they respond.
792
00:47:51,869 --> 00:47:53,579
Like, that felt really powerful.
793
00:47:53,662 --> 00:47:56,081
Um, landfill space has become
an issue in the county.
794
00:47:56,164 --> 00:47:59,251
Um, what do you think
about our landfill crisis?
795
00:47:59,334 --> 00:48:03,422
This area is notorious
for having dumped-- things dumped here.
796
00:48:03,505 --> 00:48:06,091
They say, you know, you should never talk
about politics or religion
797
00:48:06,174 --> 00:48:07,134
at dinner, right?
798
00:48:07,718 --> 00:48:09,052
I think garbage is another thing.
799
00:48:09,136 --> 00:48:12,931
Like, who wants to even think about it
for more than a couple seconds?
800
00:48:13,015 --> 00:48:15,976
Um, right off behind me,
over my, uh, right shoulder,
801
00:48:16,059 --> 00:48:18,270
you can see this is all the old landfill.
802
00:48:18,353 --> 00:48:22,441
I didn't think of myself as a journalist.
I would say I thought of myself more of…
803
00:48:22,941 --> 00:48:24,067
of a nuisance.
804
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,029
These guys, I don't know
what they're doing.
805
00:48:27,112 --> 00:48:28,530
We're gonna go ask them in a minute.
806
00:48:28,614 --> 00:48:31,408
Hey, excuse me,
do you mind showing us around?
807
00:48:32,951 --> 00:48:35,996
You kind of felt like you were
involved in something special.
808
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:39,207
It wasn't jock against nerd
against, you know, geek.
809
00:48:39,291 --> 00:48:42,419
It was everybody doing something
or helping somebody out.
810
00:48:43,211 --> 00:48:47,507
In hindsight, yeah, sure, I can say
that was transformative, or-- or whatever.
811
00:48:47,591 --> 00:48:53,138
But at the time, it was a way to escape
and-- and-- and get through high school.
812
00:48:53,221 --> 00:48:55,682
-That's the way it is.
-Here. Inconspicuously.
813
00:48:57,643 --> 00:48:59,394
-Speak.
-Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah?
814
00:48:59,478 --> 00:49:01,063
Speak, Pahouti, speak.
815
00:49:01,146 --> 00:49:04,191
Jeff, you're taping. The red light's on.
816
00:49:04,274 --> 00:49:05,817
Jeff, you're a dick.
817
00:49:06,318 --> 00:49:07,736
Jeff, you're a dick.
818
00:49:07,819 --> 00:49:09,237
Yeah, Jeff, you're a dick.
819
00:49:09,321 --> 00:49:10,572
You're a dick, Jeff.
820
00:49:10,656 --> 00:49:12,574
You're a dick, Jeff.
821
00:49:12,658 --> 00:49:14,284
You're a dick, Jeff.
822
00:49:14,368 --> 00:49:16,203
Yeah, Jeff, you're a dick.
823
00:49:16,286 --> 00:49:18,830
"Now the Wallkill River looks like this."
824
00:49:18,914 --> 00:49:21,208
One, one thousand,
two, one thousand, three.
825
00:49:21,291 --> 00:49:22,167
Then start again?
826
00:49:22,250 --> 00:49:24,127
County planner can hear us.
827
00:49:24,211 --> 00:49:26,922
Okay. Fuck you.
828
00:49:27,005 --> 00:49:28,799
Took you a while to caught on.
829
00:49:30,175 --> 00:49:32,302
I don't know whether it was the era,
830
00:49:32,386 --> 00:49:35,681
but there was just a lot
of hooking up going on,
831
00:49:35,764 --> 00:49:40,352
which I know means
something different now, but, you know…
832
00:49:40,435 --> 00:49:42,354
Oh, my gosh. The control room…
833
00:49:42,938 --> 00:49:44,564
I just remember kissing boys in there,
834
00:49:44,648 --> 00:49:46,441
but I'm not going
to talk about that on camera.
835
00:49:46,525 --> 00:49:48,819
-Come on!
-We were high school kids.
836
00:49:48,902 --> 00:49:51,363
You'd always go kiss boys
in the control room.
837
00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:56,410
I remember so many after-school hours
838
00:49:56,493 --> 00:49:58,203
just in the editing room.
839
00:49:58,286 --> 00:50:03,250
Just like, "What's going
to make this story digestible?"
840
00:50:04,501 --> 00:50:07,838
This used to be full
of little trout, full of crayfish,
841
00:50:07,921 --> 00:50:10,674
and now my water's so polluted
you can't put your foot in it.
842
00:50:10,757 --> 00:50:12,300
We're destroying ourselves.
843
00:50:12,384 --> 00:50:15,512
The Indians said that years ago,
white man shit in his own nest.
844
00:50:15,595 --> 00:50:18,682
We realized that we could make a movie
845
00:50:18,765 --> 00:50:21,518
that would make all of this come to life.
846
00:50:21,601 --> 00:50:25,522
Conservative old-school teachers
thought it was a joke, pretty much.
847
00:50:25,605 --> 00:50:27,232
You know, "How you gonna do this?"
848
00:50:27,315 --> 00:50:32,029
Making a movie is not
like writing a five-page essay.
849
00:50:32,112 --> 00:50:34,823
And, uh, I'm thinking to myself,
"Yeah, it's harder."
850
00:50:35,699 --> 00:50:37,659
"We're making a documentary film."
851
00:50:37,743 --> 00:50:40,620
I remember using those words
with my parents.
852
00:50:40,704 --> 00:50:43,582
"Documentary" to them
felt like PBS, boring,
853
00:50:43,665 --> 00:50:44,958
so that felt safe.
854
00:50:45,042 --> 00:50:46,543
Right? If I had said, "I'm an activist,
855
00:50:46,626 --> 00:50:49,212
and I'm, like, taking down
corrupt politicians,"
856
00:50:49,296 --> 00:50:51,006
they would have been like, "No."
857
00:50:52,507 --> 00:50:54,342
And I said,
"Let's show it to the community
858
00:50:54,426 --> 00:50:56,344
and things are going to start to fire up."
859
00:50:58,138 --> 00:51:00,432
This is Dean Dyche for MHS TV News.
860
00:51:00,515 --> 00:51:04,144
Here we have Angela Townsend, and who--
who has just wrote a poem on toxic waste.
861
00:51:04,728 --> 00:51:09,107
He smiles a happy, tinkling smile
As he paints Mom's fingers red
862
00:51:09,191 --> 00:51:11,318
And if he spills it in the pond
863
00:51:11,401 --> 00:51:13,361
Three minnows may soon be dead
864
00:51:14,196 --> 00:51:17,282
As you can see at this meeting tonight,
we've had a very big turnout.
865
00:51:17,783 --> 00:51:19,951
We have all local politicians
from Bloomingburg.
866
00:51:20,035 --> 00:51:22,996
We have Cable 6, Times Herald-Record.
867
00:51:30,837 --> 00:51:33,048
These photos
of the old town of Wallkill Dump
868
00:51:33,131 --> 00:51:34,299
were taken by an agent
869
00:51:34,382 --> 00:51:38,178
of the New York State Department
of Environmental Conservation in 1976,
870
00:51:38,261 --> 00:51:40,680
the year most of my classmates
and I were born.
871
00:51:40,764 --> 00:51:43,725
Our plan was to put together
a video documentary
872
00:51:43,809 --> 00:51:46,770
to inform the public,
to move politicians into action,
873
00:51:46,853 --> 00:51:49,898
and to attract some media attention
to open up the story.
874
00:51:49,981 --> 00:51:52,275
We hoped that the problems
would be taken seriously
875
00:51:52,359 --> 00:51:54,486
and a full investigation
would have been conducted
876
00:51:54,569 --> 00:51:56,738
into what happened here, but it hasn't,
877
00:51:56,822 --> 00:51:59,908
even though we've tried our hardest
to get the tape into the right hands.
878
00:52:00,742 --> 00:52:02,410
This is my first time at this site.
879
00:52:02,494 --> 00:52:06,206
Obviously, this is one
huge pyramid of pollution.
880
00:52:06,706 --> 00:52:09,042
And I don't think there is a soul on earth
881
00:52:09,126 --> 00:52:12,921
that could tell you all the toxics
that are in here or their distribution.
882
00:52:13,505 --> 00:52:16,133
Dealing with substances
that cannot be removed.
883
00:52:16,216 --> 00:52:18,426
It might take 50 years of treatment,
884
00:52:18,510 --> 00:52:21,847
pumping and flushing
and recycling of water
885
00:52:21,930 --> 00:52:23,932
before you can clean out
some of these aquifers.
886
00:52:24,015 --> 00:52:25,892
Fifty, seventy-five, a hundred years?
887
00:52:25,976 --> 00:52:28,770
The Orange County Health Department
has never done a survey
888
00:52:28,854 --> 00:52:31,731
to determine the effects
of water pollution on public health.
889
00:52:31,815 --> 00:52:35,652
Does it have to be this way?
Who will speak up for the people?
890
00:52:39,781 --> 00:52:42,868
-Is the mayor here tonight?
-He was. I don't know where he is.
891
00:52:42,951 --> 00:52:45,871
This is what I scoop out from my cellar.
892
00:52:45,954 --> 00:52:48,248
Send it to the mayor for drinking water.
893
00:52:50,792 --> 00:52:51,918
I'm here tonight
894
00:52:52,002 --> 00:52:56,047
just letting you know that-- that people
are deeply concerned about this
895
00:52:56,131 --> 00:52:58,216
within the government
of the state of New York,
896
00:52:58,300 --> 00:53:00,093
and that, uh, we will launch
897
00:53:00,177 --> 00:53:03,889
an investigation into this situation
898
00:53:03,972 --> 00:53:06,892
and protect the resources,
the, uh-- the water supplies
899
00:53:06,975 --> 00:53:09,477
to all, of course, the residents
of, uh-- of the community.
900
00:53:15,192 --> 00:53:18,695
It was a huge deal
that Assemblyman Hinchey was there.
901
00:53:19,237 --> 00:53:21,615
We have here in the Hudson River Valley,
902
00:53:21,698 --> 00:53:25,744
one of the most important,
significant, historical,
903
00:53:25,827 --> 00:53:28,705
and environmental resources
that this state possesses.
904
00:53:29,456 --> 00:53:32,334
When he was a rookie,
he was sent to Love Canal
905
00:53:32,417 --> 00:53:35,587
to observe and to investigate
906
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:38,131
and see if the whole story was being told.
907
00:53:38,215 --> 00:53:40,175
He had a name, he had a reputation.
908
00:53:40,258 --> 00:53:43,470
He was a maverick, a crusader.
He was all those things.
909
00:53:43,553 --> 00:53:44,554
So I'm thinking,
910
00:53:44,638 --> 00:53:47,974
"We're gonna get these guys,
we're gonna clean things up."
911
00:53:48,058 --> 00:53:49,684
"We're rolling. We got 'em."
912
00:53:51,061 --> 00:53:52,896
Good evening, and welcome to MHS TV.
913
00:53:52,979 --> 00:53:55,899
Tonight, we have more general high school
section nine soccer highlights,
914
00:53:55,982 --> 00:53:57,817
a book week presentation, and more.
915
00:53:59,611 --> 00:54:02,948
Nuclear war, there's no reason for
916
00:54:07,535 --> 00:54:10,080
-Hi, I'm Jeff Dutemple.
-And I'm Rachel Raimist.
917
00:54:10,163 --> 00:54:12,249
On Friday, March 20th, 1992,
918
00:54:12,332 --> 00:54:14,918
Maurice Hinchey,
assemblyman from Saugerties
919
00:54:15,001 --> 00:54:17,170
and the head of the task force
on the environment,
920
00:54:17,254 --> 00:54:20,048
held a hearing
regarding the Wallkill Landfill.
921
00:54:20,131 --> 00:54:23,718
Hinchey questioned many witnesses,
including former employees at the site,
922
00:54:23,802 --> 00:54:26,221
local residents,
and Ward Stone, the toxic avenger.
923
00:54:26,304 --> 00:54:27,806
Here are excerpts from the meeting.
924
00:54:27,889 --> 00:54:30,767
Oh, my God, we filmed so many hearings.
925
00:54:31,351 --> 00:54:33,812
I think if we went to a meeting,
926
00:54:34,437 --> 00:54:36,189
it counted as a grade.
927
00:54:36,273 --> 00:54:40,151
Like the core group who was working on it
at that time, we just liked going.
928
00:54:40,235 --> 00:54:41,695
So the grade didn't matter.
929
00:54:41,778 --> 00:54:45,115
Do you have any way of estimating
the number of paper drums
930
00:54:45,198 --> 00:54:47,033
that may have been deposited there?
931
00:54:47,117 --> 00:54:49,035
I daresay at least a thousand.
932
00:54:49,744 --> 00:54:53,540
No, I looked down, and this bag
was sticking up through the soil.
933
00:54:54,291 --> 00:54:57,919
And there was one word
that I could see, and it was "lead."
934
00:54:59,087 --> 00:55:01,840
It's a product called Lactra-60.
935
00:55:02,716 --> 00:55:05,677
And it's a stabilizer used in plastics.
936
00:55:07,053 --> 00:55:09,723
This kind of powder, could it--
could it do permanent damage?
937
00:55:09,806 --> 00:55:11,224
It could kill you.
938
00:55:12,475 --> 00:55:15,812
Some students put together
a video, which I'm sure you're aware of.
939
00:55:15,895 --> 00:55:17,689
And the conclusions
that they draw from this
940
00:55:17,772 --> 00:55:19,691
is that it was a political cover-up here.
941
00:55:19,774 --> 00:55:21,901
Do you think there's validity
to that comment?
942
00:55:21,985 --> 00:55:23,486
I think that there is validity to that.
943
00:55:23,570 --> 00:55:24,571
I understand.
944
00:55:24,654 --> 00:55:26,865
The town has,
in all probability, participated
945
00:55:26,948 --> 00:55:30,285
at some level in dumping
that occurred at this particular site.
946
00:55:30,368 --> 00:55:33,330
I think that, to some extent,
there has been a cover-up here.
947
00:55:34,497 --> 00:55:38,168
It was a moment of legitimacy for us.
948
00:55:38,251 --> 00:55:39,461
Thanks for your help.
949
00:55:39,544 --> 00:55:41,087
-We'll see you.
-Yep.
950
00:55:41,171 --> 00:55:43,173
-Take it easy.
-Bye.
951
00:55:43,256 --> 00:55:47,635
I mean, a lot of these things that were
once dismissed as conspiracies are…
952
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,262
There's some basis to all of them.
953
00:55:49,346 --> 00:55:51,097
-Well…
-All right.
954
00:55:51,181 --> 00:55:52,349
Hopefully, we'll resolve it.
955
00:55:52,432 --> 00:55:54,267
Hopefully you'll resolve it.
I hope so, yes.
956
00:55:54,351 --> 00:55:57,354
I-- I think we're-- we're on our way
to resolving it.
957
00:55:57,937 --> 00:56:00,273
We will, uh, look forward
to the additional results
958
00:56:00,357 --> 00:56:01,983
of tests that were taken by Mr. Stone.
959
00:56:02,067 --> 00:56:05,320
And I think that they could be
possibly very revealing.
960
00:56:05,820 --> 00:56:07,530
That-- That ends this hearing.
961
00:56:23,630 --> 00:56:25,757
April 7th.
962
00:56:29,177 --> 00:56:31,930
He says he went back to the dump
to do more research,
963
00:56:32,013 --> 00:56:35,058
but the town supervisor
had him thrown off the site.
964
00:56:36,476 --> 00:56:39,521
They even confiscated his samples
when he tried to leave.
965
00:56:40,105 --> 00:56:42,649
They've decided to conduct
their own investigation
966
00:56:42,732 --> 00:56:44,150
and Ward's not part of it.
967
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,405
So we decided we'd all go together.
968
00:56:48,988 --> 00:56:51,408
We made a decision
to tip off the local media
969
00:56:51,491 --> 00:56:52,617
that we'd be there.
970
00:56:53,660 --> 00:56:59,124
We followed Ward filming,
and then the news filmed us filming Ward.
971
00:57:00,083 --> 00:57:03,128
There was a bit of spectacle
involved with that.
972
00:57:04,045 --> 00:57:06,381
-What have you got to hide?
-I have nothing to hide, sir.
973
00:57:06,464 --> 00:57:08,216
-Yes, you do.
-There are no-- Mr. Stone.
974
00:57:08,299 --> 00:57:09,968
-The agreement--
-You got something to hide.
975
00:57:10,051 --> 00:57:13,179
The agreement with Assemblyman Hinchey
and your offices--
976
00:57:13,263 --> 00:57:14,139
Not my office.
977
00:57:14,222 --> 00:57:18,560
You can do anything you'd like here, sir,
as long as my engineers are present.
978
00:57:18,643 --> 00:57:20,019
Get 'em. Get 'em, I'm here.
979
00:57:20,103 --> 00:57:21,312
You want to come here and work,
980
00:57:21,396 --> 00:57:23,398
you'll come here and work
when my engineers are here.
981
00:57:23,481 --> 00:57:25,567
I cover the entire state of New York!
982
00:57:25,650 --> 00:57:28,111
I came. I don't work on bankers' hours.
983
00:57:28,194 --> 00:57:31,906
-Were there engineers with you?
-I was here in the time span.
984
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:34,200
-Sir, were the engineers--
-I was here in the-- Sir!
985
00:57:37,036 --> 00:57:39,998
I always thought
politicians were just humoring us
986
00:57:40,081 --> 00:57:44,210
because it was like cute and, you know,
civic engagement with young people.
987
00:57:44,294 --> 00:57:47,839
But that day with Ward, that wasn't cute.
988
00:57:47,922 --> 00:57:52,677
We were definitely meddling kids
in the middle of things.
989
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,221
And it was-- It felt heated.
The police came.
990
00:57:55,305 --> 00:57:56,848
Do you understand what I'm telling you?
991
00:57:56,931 --> 00:57:58,850
I understand that you have
something to cover up.
992
00:57:58,933 --> 00:58:02,061
You don't want to see data
that is in contrast to you.
993
00:58:02,145 --> 00:58:03,605
-Understand what I'm telling you?
-No.
994
00:58:03,688 --> 00:58:05,815
-You don't understand?
-I understand what you're saying.
995
00:58:05,899 --> 00:58:06,858
I am not accepting it
996
00:58:06,941 --> 00:58:09,694
till I hear something different
from our law enforcement.
997
00:58:09,777 --> 00:58:11,488
We're closed.
You're not taking any samples.
998
00:58:11,571 --> 00:58:13,114
We'll see. We'll see.
999
00:58:13,198 --> 00:58:15,408
Get a court order, and I'll honor it.
1000
00:58:15,492 --> 00:58:17,452
I want to look around
if I don't take samples.
1001
00:58:17,535 --> 00:58:19,496
No, sir. You're not doing anything.
You're leaving.
1002
00:58:19,579 --> 00:58:20,872
You're a problem.
1003
00:58:22,081 --> 00:58:23,917
Mr. Stone, this is private property.
1004
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,543
-Public property.
-No, sir.
1005
00:58:25,627 --> 00:58:27,837
You have been advised to leave
the property at this time.
1006
00:58:27,921 --> 00:58:29,631
Do you know of any violation of the law?
1007
00:58:29,714 --> 00:58:32,175
Violation of the law is
right now you are trespassing.
1008
00:58:32,258 --> 00:58:34,302
You've been asked to leave several times.
1009
00:58:34,385 --> 00:58:36,262
You do not leave,
I'm gonna have to arrest you.
1010
00:58:39,432 --> 00:58:40,975
Jeff, stop doing that.
1011
00:58:57,033 --> 00:58:59,661
He is an intense man
with plenty of swearing,
1012
00:58:59,744 --> 00:59:03,665
and pauses for Jesus to strike him dead
if he is not telling the truth.
1013
00:59:08,753 --> 00:59:11,089
He says he worked
with the Orange County Sheriff's Office
1014
00:59:11,172 --> 00:59:13,883
since the early '80s,
and was in charge of the landfill
1015
00:59:13,967 --> 00:59:16,803
until he was removed
for being overzealous.
1016
00:59:18,555 --> 00:59:22,141
Mr. B also claims to have had
toxic samples destroyed
1017
00:59:22,225 --> 00:59:23,851
and notes confiscated.
1018
00:59:24,936 --> 00:59:26,396
"They're all corrupt," says Mr. B.
1019
00:59:31,359 --> 00:59:32,277
I'm starting to wonder
1020
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,362
if all of these interesting
novelistic things
1021
00:59:34,445 --> 00:59:36,197
are really happening to me.
1022
00:59:38,157 --> 00:59:43,121
Or if I am a paranoid conspiracy theorist
who sees plots which aren't really there.
1023
00:59:46,499 --> 00:59:47,834
Near this?
1024
00:59:47,917 --> 00:59:49,377
Nah, keep going.
1025
00:59:49,460 --> 00:59:50,962
Mr. B wants to meet soon.
1026
00:59:59,470 --> 01:00:02,307
Handing out fliers,
putting them on cars and things like that.
1027
01:00:03,433 --> 01:00:06,352
Having a public meeting,
informing people of the county's…
1028
01:00:08,896 --> 01:00:10,356
Hi, my name is Trey Long
1029
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,233
with MH-- MHS TV,
1030
01:00:12,317 --> 01:00:16,029
and I'd like to welcome
Mr. Bill Cummings to the set today.
1031
01:00:16,112 --> 01:00:17,822
He's gonna answer some questions for us.
1032
01:00:17,905 --> 01:00:20,325
Well, this is probably
where I'm gonna get beat up,
1033
01:00:20,408 --> 01:00:22,619
so might as well take it head-on.
1034
01:00:22,702 --> 01:00:24,954
Uh, Mr. Stone is a wildlife pathologist,
1035
01:00:25,038 --> 01:00:27,999
and he's supposedly
one of the best in the country.
1036
01:00:28,082 --> 01:00:32,086
Um, I've heard some great things
about Mr. Stone.
1037
01:00:32,587 --> 01:00:36,716
However, Mr. Stone has
yet to provide anyone
1038
01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:38,134
with his test results.
1039
01:00:38,217 --> 01:00:42,764
He's made certain accusations that I would
like to see investigated and handled,
1040
01:00:42,847 --> 01:00:44,599
um, but you can't investigate
1041
01:00:44,682 --> 01:00:46,851
if you don't have the information
in front of you.
1042
01:00:46,934 --> 01:00:48,603
Mr. Cummings, you took his samples--
1043
01:00:48,686 --> 01:00:50,021
Let me finish, okay?
1044
01:00:50,104 --> 01:00:52,732
I'll finish, and you guys
can attack me, okay?
1045
01:00:52,815 --> 01:00:54,901
Because Ward has told-- has told us
1046
01:00:54,984 --> 01:00:56,653
that he thinks
you're covering something up
1047
01:00:56,736 --> 01:00:59,822
by the way you are so adamant
about not letting him see his samples.
1048
01:00:59,906 --> 01:01:02,742
I have to defend the town.
I'm not gonna play pointing fingers.
1049
01:01:02,825 --> 01:01:06,037
He's told us that he's never had
a problem with other towns.
1050
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:07,872
Listen, he's probably absolutely right.
1051
01:01:07,955 --> 01:01:09,791
As far as not being able
to see the samples,
1052
01:01:09,874 --> 01:01:11,626
even though the town engineers
weren't there.
1053
01:01:11,709 --> 01:01:13,544
He's absolutely right.
Uh, what I felt was,
1054
01:01:13,628 --> 01:01:16,214
this has become
such a critical, sensitive issue
1055
01:01:16,297 --> 01:01:18,841
that everybody
is constantly pointing fingers,
1056
01:01:18,925 --> 01:01:21,552
and talking about corruption,
talking about this, talking about that,
1057
01:01:21,636 --> 01:01:23,012
that we have to work together.
1058
01:01:23,096 --> 01:01:27,350
Um, I'm just gonna chan-- get away
from the landfill for a second.
1059
01:01:27,433 --> 01:01:31,396
This is a map of the town
of Wallkill and, um, Middletown,
1060
01:01:31,896 --> 01:01:35,191
and its plan for development.
1061
01:01:35,274 --> 01:01:37,985
And it's color-coded.
Trey did a very nice job here.
1062
01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:39,195
Thanks, Jeff.
1063
01:01:40,405 --> 01:01:43,324
We've been told, and as we understand,
1064
01:01:43,408 --> 01:01:47,412
this-- most of this land that's zoned
for industrial and commercial use
1065
01:01:47,495 --> 01:01:50,039
is, um, owned by past politicians
1066
01:01:50,123 --> 01:01:53,835
of either the town of Wallkill
or Orange County.
1067
01:01:54,460 --> 01:01:57,755
Uh, yeah, there's no question
that certain families
1068
01:01:57,839 --> 01:02:02,510
have a lot of, um, land interest
within the town of Wallkill, absolutely.
1069
01:02:02,593 --> 01:02:03,803
Okay.
1070
01:02:03,886 --> 01:02:06,055
The reason we're asking
is because we've seen
1071
01:02:06,139 --> 01:02:07,598
from a lot of different people
1072
01:02:07,682 --> 01:02:10,685
saying that the politicians
have basically bought land,
1073
01:02:10,768 --> 01:02:12,353
got involved in politics,
1074
01:02:12,437 --> 01:02:16,107
zoned their own land
for limited skyscraper apartments
1075
01:02:16,190 --> 01:02:17,525
or commercial districts,
1076
01:02:17,608 --> 01:02:19,861
and then planned
to sell it off in the future.
1077
01:02:23,656 --> 01:02:26,701
I think a lot of it came
down to parcels of land
1078
01:02:26,784 --> 01:02:29,162
that developers had their eye on.
1079
01:02:29,245 --> 01:02:32,790
If news gets out
that some of these properties are tainted,
1080
01:02:32,874 --> 01:02:34,041
they become worthless.
1081
01:02:41,007 --> 01:02:44,594
When we arrived,
I remember one of the city councilmen
1082
01:02:44,677 --> 01:02:47,096
saying to me, "What are you doing here?"
1083
01:02:47,180 --> 01:02:49,891
I said, "I'm filming the board meeting."
And he said, "Why?"
1084
01:02:49,974 --> 01:02:51,017
Kind of with a sneer.
1085
01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:53,603
I said, "I'm here-- We're filming
the meeting like a journalist."
1086
01:02:53,686 --> 01:02:55,605
And he said, "You're not a journalist."
1087
01:02:55,688 --> 01:02:57,732
First off, for those of you
who are not from the town,
1088
01:02:57,815 --> 01:03:00,485
my name is Bill Cummings,
I am the town supervisor.
1089
01:03:00,568 --> 01:03:03,654
This public hearing
is on the topic of the landfill,
1090
01:03:04,322 --> 01:03:08,826
and the different alternatives
with what we should do with the landfill.
1091
01:03:09,786 --> 01:03:12,246
The basic findings
were minor contamination
1092
01:03:12,330 --> 01:03:16,834
by various organic chemicals and metals
on the site only.
1093
01:03:16,918 --> 01:03:20,004
As a result, there is
no imminent or immediate threat
1094
01:03:20,087 --> 01:03:22,089
to human health or the environment.
1095
01:03:22,673 --> 01:03:26,385
The landfill is a source
of minor contamination,
1096
01:03:26,469 --> 01:03:29,180
but does not pose a long-term
unacceptable risk
1097
01:03:29,263 --> 01:03:32,558
to either human health or the environment.
1098
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,480
The alternative
that's been selected by the town
1099
01:03:37,563 --> 01:03:39,607
and by the state is alternative three.
1100
01:03:40,191 --> 01:03:43,319
Construction of a cap
over the entire landfill.
1101
01:03:49,951 --> 01:03:52,537
I remember thinking, "Like a pool cover?"
1102
01:03:52,620 --> 01:03:56,040
Like, they're just gonna cover it
so we don't look at it?
1103
01:03:56,123 --> 01:03:57,667
Sounds like a very dumb idea
1104
01:03:57,750 --> 01:04:01,754
because you cover something,
but it's still dripping into the earth.
1105
01:04:01,838 --> 01:04:06,217
It-- It felt to me like an insult
on top of an injury.
1106
01:04:06,300 --> 01:04:10,930
I understand that water can be
contaminated miles away
1107
01:04:11,013 --> 01:04:13,808
and follow a stream under the ground.
1108
01:04:13,891 --> 01:04:16,352
So I think that you definitely
should follow through
1109
01:04:16,435 --> 01:04:19,397
and make sure
because I have grandchildren,
1110
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:20,982
I work at the school system,
1111
01:04:21,065 --> 01:04:25,194
I-- I have many friends in the area, and…
1112
01:04:25,278 --> 01:04:26,904
it's on your conscience.
1113
01:04:26,988 --> 01:04:27,947
Please.
1114
01:04:28,823 --> 01:04:31,701
Did you do any autopsies
on any of the animals?
1115
01:04:31,784 --> 01:04:33,953
No. There was no, uh, tissue analysis done
1116
01:04:34,036 --> 01:04:34,954
or anything like that.
1117
01:04:35,037 --> 01:04:37,456
-I had-- I had a pony who died.
-Mm-hmm.
1118
01:04:37,540 --> 01:04:39,584
And we did have an autopsy done on her,
1119
01:04:39,667 --> 01:04:41,919
and there was toxic chemicals in her.
1120
01:04:42,420 --> 01:04:45,381
-Well, I think--
-And she-- We live a quarter mile away.
1121
01:04:46,883 --> 01:04:49,051
Does anybody else want to speak?
1122
01:04:49,135 --> 01:04:51,429
Just maybe in the back.
1123
01:04:52,555 --> 01:04:54,974
I wasn't raised like,
"Your voice is important!"
1124
01:04:55,057 --> 01:04:56,809
"We want to hear what you have to say."
1125
01:04:56,893 --> 01:05:00,187
It was like, "Be quiet,
do what you're supposed to do." You know?
1126
01:05:00,271 --> 01:05:03,107
I had a lot of trouble
with the "be quiet" part.
1127
01:05:10,406 --> 01:05:11,949
My name is Rachel Raimist,
1128
01:05:12,033 --> 01:05:14,535
and I'm a student
at Middletown High School.
1129
01:05:14,619 --> 01:05:17,121
And I just feel that I can
no longer stand in the background
1130
01:05:17,204 --> 01:05:18,748
and document this on film.
1131
01:05:18,831 --> 01:05:23,753
Because this-- this story is an example
for me and for my generation.
1132
01:05:23,836 --> 01:05:26,422
And all I ask
is that you really investigate
1133
01:05:26,505 --> 01:05:27,965
the situation to the fullest.
1134
01:05:28,049 --> 01:05:31,302
Because it seems to me
that putting a cap on this landfill
1135
01:05:31,385 --> 01:05:33,471
is merely just putting a cover on it
1136
01:05:33,554 --> 01:05:35,348
and saying, "Okay, we'll just look at it,
1137
01:05:35,431 --> 01:05:37,475
and we'll deal with it in 30 years."
1138
01:05:37,558 --> 01:05:39,018
Well, I'm gonna have to deal with it.
1139
01:05:39,101 --> 01:05:40,853
And your children are gonna
have to deal with it,
1140
01:05:40,937 --> 01:05:43,105
and my children
are gonna have to deal with it.
1141
01:05:43,189 --> 01:05:47,109
And it's really, really difficult
to come here and listen to you say,
1142
01:05:47,193 --> 01:05:48,653
"Okay, we'll just cover this up
1143
01:05:48,736 --> 01:05:51,072
and we'll deal with it later
without fully investigating."
1144
01:05:51,155 --> 01:05:54,033
Because this is a crime against humanity.
1145
01:06:00,831 --> 01:06:01,832
Yeah.
1146
01:06:02,333 --> 01:06:03,376
I wasn't wrong.
1147
01:06:10,299 --> 01:06:14,470
On TV, Middletown was picture-perfect.
1148
01:06:15,388 --> 01:06:18,516
But there's a very high rate of cancer
1149
01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:20,726
in that whole surrounding area.
1150
01:06:23,020 --> 01:06:26,732
My own parents got sick and got cancer
1151
01:06:26,816 --> 01:06:30,528
and passed away almost 30 years ago.
1152
01:06:30,611 --> 01:06:32,530
But there was a time when my mom was sick,
1153
01:06:32,613 --> 01:06:35,116
her friend was sick,
the other lady down the street was sick.
1154
01:06:35,199 --> 01:06:38,661
Like, everyone was, like, waving
on their way to chemo.
1155
01:06:38,744 --> 01:06:43,833
It's such a hard thing to pursue,
except anecdotally.
1156
01:06:43,916 --> 01:06:46,502
To-- To say, "Look,
here's a road near a dump,
1157
01:06:46,585 --> 01:06:49,964
and all these people
who became ill because of it."
1158
01:06:50,047 --> 01:06:53,217
But that's not enough to make the case.
1159
01:06:53,300 --> 01:06:55,219
It's hard for laypeople to do that.
1160
01:06:56,137 --> 01:06:59,140
Okay, tape is rolling,
so any time you're ready.
1161
01:06:59,223 --> 01:07:02,935
Okay. Do you want to do a sound check?
1162
01:07:03,019 --> 01:07:05,354
All right. Spread it like this.
1163
01:07:05,438 --> 01:07:08,315
I mean, Trey Long has cancer now,
1164
01:07:08,983 --> 01:07:12,361
and is asking himself
if growing up in Middletown
1165
01:07:12,445 --> 01:07:13,779
made him sick.
1166
01:07:15,906 --> 01:07:17,491
What-- What can you think about that?
1167
01:07:17,575 --> 01:07:20,286
You know, it's terrible and it's happening
to more and more people.
1168
01:07:22,913 --> 01:07:25,791
I really don't think
it matters where somebody lives.
1169
01:07:27,793 --> 01:07:29,628
Most scientists would tell us
1170
01:07:29,712 --> 01:07:33,424
that, uh, the average American consumes
1171
01:07:33,507 --> 01:07:38,137
the equivalent of a credit card a month
in microplastics, at this point.
1172
01:07:38,220 --> 01:07:41,682
If I shoved a credit card in your mouth,
that would be a crime.
1173
01:07:41,766 --> 01:07:45,436
That would literally be a battery.
I would have assaulted and battered you.
1174
01:07:46,979 --> 01:07:50,524
Yet, when this is done
on a corporate scale,
1175
01:07:50,608 --> 01:07:52,777
everybody just sort of accepts that.
1176
01:07:55,279 --> 01:07:58,824
A landfill is where we dump our secrets.
1177
01:07:59,325 --> 01:08:02,787
Where we put our misdeeds
and then paper them over,
1178
01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:04,038
cover them up.
1179
01:08:07,208 --> 01:08:09,335
We weren't going to let that happen.
1180
01:08:10,503 --> 01:08:13,089
State plans to cap
a toxic landfill in Orange County
1181
01:08:13,172 --> 01:08:14,006
have come under fire.
1182
01:08:14,090 --> 01:08:17,009
Those concerned
about the old town of Wallkill dump
1183
01:08:17,093 --> 01:08:20,054
say they want some answers
before officials seal the site.
1184
01:08:20,137 --> 01:08:23,265
Among those concerned,
a group of high school students.
1185
01:08:24,141 --> 01:08:27,228
It's a big environmental issue,
and it's something that…
1186
01:08:27,311 --> 01:08:28,771
can really affect our lives.
1187
01:08:28,854 --> 01:08:31,065
It can kill people. It's a deadly issue.
1188
01:08:31,148 --> 01:08:33,484
Fred Isseks teaches
at Middletown High School.
1189
01:08:33,567 --> 01:08:36,237
He says capping the dump
virtually ignores evidence
1190
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:38,864
his journalism students
captured on videotape
1191
01:08:38,948 --> 01:08:40,616
in a class project.
1192
01:08:40,699 --> 01:08:44,620
These are kids who, in many instances,
know more about what's going on
1193
01:08:44,703 --> 01:08:46,413
in the county than their parents do.
1194
01:08:47,289 --> 01:08:49,458
You've got
to get out there and work for it.
1195
01:08:49,542 --> 01:08:52,878
This is what we've been doing. You know,
now we're getting some exposure for it.
1196
01:08:54,588 --> 01:08:56,549
It snowballed, right?
1197
01:08:58,551 --> 01:09:00,970
Once the Village Voice article came out,
1198
01:09:01,053 --> 01:09:02,888
it was significant enough
1199
01:09:02,972 --> 01:09:08,269
that I then became,
like, the Toxic Avenger guy.
1200
01:09:10,729 --> 01:09:14,525
Melvin became the Toxic Avenger,
1201
01:09:14,608 --> 01:09:18,779
the first superhero born
out of nuclear waste.
1202
01:09:21,574 --> 01:09:23,409
Yeah, I-- I never saw the movie,
1203
01:09:23,492 --> 01:09:27,413
but more than one news program
used that expression.
1204
01:09:39,758 --> 01:09:42,428
There are ten toxic landfills like this
in Orange County,
1205
01:09:42,511 --> 01:09:44,680
all connected to the Mafia.
1206
01:09:45,639 --> 01:09:48,434
"All the drinking water
is polluted," says Mr. B.
1207
01:09:56,609 --> 01:10:01,030
He strikes me as a man
who has a real strong sense of justice,
1208
01:10:01,113 --> 01:10:02,031
and he's really angry
1209
01:10:02,114 --> 01:10:04,116
that this kind of thing
has gone on so long
1210
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:05,451
and nothing's happened.
1211
01:10:05,534 --> 01:10:06,994
So he wants to come in.
1212
01:10:07,536 --> 01:10:08,746
-In here?
-In here.
1213
01:10:08,829 --> 01:10:10,789
-With his gun?
-Probably sometime this week.
1214
01:10:10,873 --> 01:10:14,251
No, no, we'll make sure
that he leaves his gun outside.
1215
01:10:16,128 --> 01:10:18,589
And five, and ready?
1216
01:10:18,672 --> 01:10:21,383
-Three, two…
-Do this serious, man. Do this serious.
1217
01:10:22,301 --> 01:10:23,636
Welcome to Middletown High School.
1218
01:10:23,719 --> 01:10:26,597
Today we're talking with an officer
from Orange County Sheriff's Department
1219
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,433
who's gonna tell us a little bit
about the, uh, toxic waste dumping
1220
01:10:29,516 --> 01:10:30,768
at the Wallkill dump.
1221
01:10:31,477 --> 01:10:33,979
How are you doing?
My name is, uh, Armondo Bilancione,
1222
01:10:34,063 --> 01:10:36,106
and I work for the Orange County
Sheriff's Department.
1223
01:10:36,690 --> 01:10:41,487
My job, very simply, was to check
for toxic waste violations of the DEC laws
1224
01:10:41,570 --> 01:10:44,156
to the Orange County public landfill.
1225
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:47,493
In the course of my duties
at that landfill,
1226
01:10:47,576 --> 01:10:49,119
I uncovered everything from toxic waste
1227
01:10:49,203 --> 01:10:51,872
to human body parts that local hospitals
dumped in that landfill
1228
01:10:51,956 --> 01:10:54,208
and mixed with regular garbage,
which is against the law.
1229
01:10:54,875 --> 01:10:58,128
We're talking syringes,
gauze soaked with blood,
1230
01:10:58,212 --> 01:11:01,257
organ pieces, and so forth.
I was like, you gotta be kidding me.
1231
01:11:03,175 --> 01:11:07,054
To this day, toxic waste
is still buried in that landfill.
1232
01:11:08,597 --> 01:11:12,142
Got Chris, Nicky B, Mr. B…
1233
01:11:12,226 --> 01:11:14,853
-Having fun.
-Big J. Cole representing.
1234
01:11:15,688 --> 01:11:18,274
-He found a broken syringe.
-Here, a syringe.
1235
01:11:18,357 --> 01:11:20,526
That is a definite medical syringe.
1236
01:11:20,609 --> 01:11:22,361
You hold it just like-- Ooh.
1237
01:11:22,444 --> 01:11:24,196
In the beginning,
when I was at that landfill,
1238
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,031
I was writing tickets
like an everyday affair.
1239
01:11:26,115 --> 01:11:28,409
Bam, bam, bam, bam.
Stop, get out of the truck.
1240
01:11:28,492 --> 01:11:30,953
Stop, get out of the truck.
And I was writing like a maniac.
1241
01:11:31,036 --> 01:11:33,664
I gave my tickets to my superiors
in the sheriff's department.
1242
01:11:33,747 --> 01:11:36,500
Tickets I wrote out to people
that were supposed to go to a court of law
1243
01:11:36,583 --> 01:11:38,168
never made it to the courthouses.
1244
01:11:38,252 --> 01:11:41,839
But at the landfill, we had a book
on the post, which was at post one.
1245
01:11:41,922 --> 01:11:43,007
Every ticket we issued,
1246
01:11:43,090 --> 01:11:46,218
everything that went down,
I wrote in that book.
1247
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:49,680
Well, I've come to find out
that apparently,
1248
01:11:49,763 --> 01:11:52,433
there was a burglary at the landfill.
1249
01:11:53,434 --> 01:11:54,977
A burglary at the landfill.
1250
01:11:55,060 --> 01:11:59,023
I said, "Oh, my God, toxic waste
is never gonna be safe again."
1251
01:11:59,106 --> 01:12:00,691
Well, guess what they stole?
1252
01:12:00,774 --> 01:12:02,860
-The book.
-Ha, ha!
1253
01:12:02,943 --> 01:12:04,361
They stole the book.
1254
01:12:04,445 --> 01:12:07,614
So what are we talking here, in essence?
You're talking, as far as I'm concerned,
1255
01:12:07,698 --> 01:12:09,408
and I-- I know I can prove it,
1256
01:12:09,491 --> 01:12:12,745
cover-ups from the county,
state, and federal level.
1257
01:12:12,828 --> 01:12:15,497
I implore you, I beg you,
1258
01:12:15,581 --> 01:12:17,541
I-- Truthfully, when I ask you
as a human being,
1259
01:12:17,624 --> 01:12:20,044
write to these people
under the Freedom of Information Act
1260
01:12:20,127 --> 01:12:21,503
and find out what they tell you.
1261
01:12:24,089 --> 01:12:26,925
We knew all about
the Freedom of Information Act.
1262
01:12:28,135 --> 01:12:32,431
I mean, we bothered Bill Cummings
for dump records all the time.
1263
01:12:32,514 --> 01:12:35,768
It's crazy that that was
a part of our schooling.
1264
01:12:35,851 --> 01:12:38,645
Okay, guys. We're rolling.
1265
01:12:38,729 --> 01:12:41,940
What happened the other day?
Why did you go to Mr. Cummings' office?
1266
01:12:42,524 --> 01:12:44,651
All right, we went there
because two weeks--
1267
01:12:44,735 --> 01:12:46,028
three weeks ago, actually,
1268
01:12:46,111 --> 01:12:48,364
we filled out
Freedom of Information requests
1269
01:12:48,447 --> 01:12:50,949
and they're supposed to come in
in ten working days.
1270
01:12:51,033 --> 01:12:54,286
And we never got the information,
so we went to see why we didn't get it.
1271
01:12:54,953 --> 01:12:57,164
At first, he just wanted
to, uh, get us out of there.
1272
01:12:57,247 --> 01:13:00,209
Then, at the end, he was frustrated
with us 'cause we were there so long.
1273
01:13:00,292 --> 01:13:02,878
He was like yelling.
He's got a foul mouth, too.
1274
01:13:02,961 --> 01:13:05,130
Yeah. He was angry and defensive.
1275
01:13:06,465 --> 01:13:08,592
-You say he had a foul mouth.
-Yeah.
1276
01:13:08,675 --> 01:13:10,844
Nobody here minds. What did he say?
1277
01:13:11,387 --> 01:13:14,056
Just, like, we asked him
if we can come in and look at the stuff,
1278
01:13:14,139 --> 01:13:16,141
and he said,
"Yeah, you can look at all that shit."
1279
01:13:17,309 --> 01:13:19,436
You didn't think
he was gonna get violent on you?
1280
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:20,604
He was angry, but--
1281
01:13:20,687 --> 01:13:22,981
-We were laughing when he started yelling.
-Not our problem.
1282
01:13:24,441 --> 01:13:27,694
We took Mr. B's tip
and submitted a FOIA request
1283
01:13:27,778 --> 01:13:29,780
to the Orange County Sheriff's Office.
1284
01:13:29,863 --> 01:13:32,658
Uh, she said there's a box waiting for us.
1285
01:13:32,741 --> 01:13:35,285
A box waiting for you? What's your name?
1286
01:13:35,369 --> 01:13:37,538
Isseks from Middletown High School.
1287
01:13:37,621 --> 01:13:39,540
We get this box of stuff,
1288
01:13:39,623 --> 01:13:42,793
and there's all kinds
of papers in it, and it's there.
1289
01:13:42,876 --> 01:13:45,045
-Uh, wow.
-We can close that door?
1290
01:13:45,129 --> 01:13:47,506
The log books. Holy moly!
1291
01:13:48,006 --> 01:13:49,383
These are the log books.
1292
01:13:49,466 --> 01:13:51,218
Sheriff's… notepad.
1293
01:13:51,301 --> 01:13:53,971
-This is it.
-This is it!
1294
01:13:57,391 --> 01:13:59,977
It was wild.
1295
01:14:00,060 --> 01:14:02,187
Real-time evidence of toxic dumping
1296
01:14:02,271 --> 01:14:05,232
and proof of the parties
that were responsible for it.
1297
01:14:05,899 --> 01:14:09,111
-Look at all these pictures.
-These are the truck drivers!
1298
01:14:10,529 --> 01:14:12,781
Does it say anything about tickets?
1299
01:14:14,116 --> 01:14:15,367
So then we took
1300
01:14:15,451 --> 01:14:17,327
all that information
to the district attorney
1301
01:14:17,411 --> 01:14:20,539
to see if there were
any charges actually filed.
1302
01:14:20,622 --> 01:14:23,333
-That's what I said.
-Where's the letter "A"?
1303
01:14:24,793 --> 01:14:27,671
-Probably in the beginning.
-Okay, I have a feeling.
1304
01:14:28,380 --> 01:14:31,717
Not there.
It's not in that one, look in this one.
1305
01:14:32,718 --> 01:14:33,719
No, those aren't…
1306
01:14:33,802 --> 01:14:36,346
We suspected that people in power
1307
01:14:36,430 --> 01:14:39,349
were all involved in some way
in squashing those tickets
1308
01:14:39,433 --> 01:14:41,685
because they never saw the light of day.
1309
01:14:41,768 --> 01:14:44,062
Um, excuse me, I don't think that you can…
1310
01:14:45,147 --> 01:14:46,106
Excuse me!
1311
01:14:46,190 --> 01:14:48,484
Your tape…
I don't know what you've got on it,
1312
01:14:48,567 --> 01:14:50,319
but you're going to have to leave it.
1313
01:14:50,402 --> 01:14:52,988
-Why?
-Isn't it public information?
1314
01:14:53,071 --> 01:14:55,073
Yeah, but you can't film it!
1315
01:15:00,746 --> 01:15:01,663
At one time,
1316
01:15:01,747 --> 01:15:03,916
I had a verbal argument
with a driver of a truck.
1317
01:15:03,999 --> 01:15:07,336
I couldn't believe the name of this person
1318
01:15:07,419 --> 01:15:09,046
that came out of the truck,
1319
01:15:09,755 --> 01:15:13,050
which was, um, very Italian, shall we say.
1320
01:15:13,592 --> 01:15:15,302
And, uh, I issued him a ticket.
1321
01:15:15,385 --> 01:15:17,346
And when I found
that he didn't have a permit,
1322
01:15:18,847 --> 01:15:20,557
I just knew something was wrong here.
1323
01:15:22,267 --> 01:15:26,230
I was told by certain drivers
that, uh, I was pissing off the people
1324
01:15:26,313 --> 01:15:28,232
that own Round Lake Sanitation.
1325
01:15:28,857 --> 01:15:31,026
It was public knowledge
Round Lake Sanitation,
1326
01:15:31,109 --> 01:15:33,862
which was the biggest garbage company
in Orange County,
1327
01:15:33,946 --> 01:15:36,156
was in fact run by organized crime.
1328
01:15:36,657 --> 01:15:38,659
So one day a black,
I think it was a Cadillac
1329
01:15:38,742 --> 01:15:41,203
and a Mercedes pull up,
and all these Italian guys,
1330
01:15:41,286 --> 01:15:43,789
they smell like garlic and stuff--
And I'm Italian.
1331
01:15:43,872 --> 01:15:46,375
They come out,
and, "Who is this guy, Bilancione?"
1332
01:15:46,458 --> 01:15:48,794
I said, "Oh, here we go.
It's the Guido Sarduccis," you know?
1333
01:15:48,877 --> 01:15:51,421
Bad enough they're in Brooklyn,
now they're up here, you know?
1334
01:15:51,505 --> 01:15:52,464
Only kidding.
1335
01:15:52,548 --> 01:15:55,300
A couple of them, I believe it was
Mr. Mongelli or his son,
1336
01:15:55,384 --> 01:15:56,510
exchanged some words with me,
1337
01:15:56,593 --> 01:15:58,929
Very simply, I told him,
"All I'm doing is my job."
1338
01:15:59,012 --> 01:16:00,847
"And I will continue to do my job."
1339
01:16:02,266 --> 01:16:05,435
I didn't know much
about the Mongellis at all.
1340
01:16:05,519 --> 01:16:09,189
I remember mentioning it to my mother,
who said, "Oh, I know them."
1341
01:16:09,273 --> 01:16:13,068
Uh, "Their children went to school
in my school when I was a principal."
1342
01:16:13,151 --> 01:16:14,528
"Very nice people."
1343
01:16:14,611 --> 01:16:16,780
"When, uh, they had parents' night,
1344
01:16:16,863 --> 01:16:19,658
Mr. Mongelli would come in
and look after his kids."
1345
01:16:22,536 --> 01:16:25,330
It seemed like something
out of a bad movie.
1346
01:16:27,499 --> 01:16:29,001
Garbage is garbage.
1347
01:16:29,084 --> 01:16:32,588
No, not when you're servicing
Fortune 500 companies like this.
1348
01:16:33,380 --> 01:16:35,299
Talking three-quarter,
maybe a billion metric tons
1349
01:16:35,382 --> 01:16:38,677
of waste in this country each year.
That's big bucks, Harold.
1350
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:40,345
You have no idea how big.
1351
01:16:41,972 --> 01:16:46,935
We're talking about mob-controlled,
Mafia-connected carting companies
1352
01:16:47,019 --> 01:16:49,229
and gangsters that were doing the dumping,
1353
01:16:49,313 --> 01:16:51,607
and they just happened to be
in our neighborhood.
1354
01:16:55,819 --> 01:16:59,031
I was told that there's
a $5,000 bounty on my head,
1355
01:16:59,114 --> 01:17:01,491
that the first driver
that runs me over gets it.
1356
01:17:01,575 --> 01:17:04,411
And I don't mean run me over
to give me a broken toenail, no, no, no.
1357
01:17:04,494 --> 01:17:06,788
It was to bury me with the waste,
there's no doubt.
1358
01:17:06,872 --> 01:17:08,373
I don't know if Mr. Isseks knows this--
1359
01:17:08,457 --> 01:17:10,709
Pardon the interruption.
We have one brief announcement.
1360
01:17:10,792 --> 01:17:13,712
The wrestling cheerleading practice
for today is cancelled.
1361
01:17:13,795 --> 01:17:16,256
There is a home meet tomorrow.
1362
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:22,512
Mr. B told us he knew
of another potential whistleblower
1363
01:17:22,596 --> 01:17:24,056
from the landfill.
1364
01:17:24,139 --> 01:17:26,808
He was willing to let us
interview him in my kitchen,
1365
01:17:26,892 --> 01:17:28,852
but he wanted a lawyer present.
1366
01:17:28,935 --> 01:17:30,604
Yeah. Is somebody gonna ask questions?
1367
01:17:30,687 --> 01:17:34,066
Were there occasions when a car
would pull up after the gate was closed?
1368
01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:35,359
Oh, yeah. Uh…
1369
01:17:35,442 --> 01:17:37,444
Would you describe that story please?
1370
01:17:37,527 --> 01:17:40,238
Um, my understanding was, uh…
1371
01:17:40,864 --> 01:17:42,866
it was, uh, Lou Mongelli.
1372
01:17:43,867 --> 01:17:44,785
Hold on a minute.
1373
01:17:44,868 --> 01:17:47,621
Relax. You are among friends.
1374
01:17:51,083 --> 01:17:53,085
…but for totally different reasons.
1375
01:17:53,168 --> 01:17:56,797
Dieter wants his lawyer to see
the script for the documentary
1376
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:58,590
to see if Dieter should back out of it.
1377
01:17:58,674 --> 01:18:00,967
Good morning, how are you doing?
Mondo here.
1378
01:18:01,051 --> 01:18:02,803
Mr. B, on the other hand,
1379
01:18:02,886 --> 01:18:06,348
wants to know when "our" documentary
is going to be done.
1380
01:18:06,431 --> 01:18:07,808
Everything is "we,"
1381
01:18:07,891 --> 01:18:11,728
especially the "we"
in "we are going to be rich after this."
1382
01:18:11,812 --> 01:18:12,771
Unbelievable.
1383
01:18:12,854 --> 01:18:16,900
Did you ever think
to yourself, "Is this guy credible?"
1384
01:18:16,983 --> 01:18:18,985
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
1385
01:18:19,069 --> 01:18:21,613
It was easy to dismiss Armondo as,
1386
01:18:21,697 --> 01:18:24,700
"Ah, he's just a whacked-out dude
who wants to be tough."
1387
01:18:24,783 --> 01:18:28,412
I believe he was also, uh,
an aspiring actor at the time.
1388
01:18:33,041 --> 01:18:34,251
Take a look at this.
1389
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:36,253
Touch it!
1390
01:18:36,878 --> 01:18:38,547
Go on, touch it!
1391
01:18:42,968 --> 01:18:45,429
I think we were savvy enough to recognize
1392
01:18:45,512 --> 01:18:48,140
Mr. B's limitations in presentation.
1393
01:18:50,016 --> 01:18:51,977
We needed corroboration.
1394
01:18:52,811 --> 01:18:55,397
In the past year,
we've learned that the Mongellis
1395
01:18:55,480 --> 01:18:59,651
has had control of the dumping,
and there are all these toxic waste sites.
1396
01:18:59,735 --> 01:19:03,739
Wouldn't a little common sense
tell us that the mob was involved,
1397
01:19:03,822 --> 01:19:07,743
and that they needed
the cooperation of the town
1398
01:19:07,826 --> 01:19:10,912
and legislatures? "Legislators."
1399
01:19:11,413 --> 01:19:13,582
Who's going to start our cars for us?
1400
01:19:15,917 --> 01:19:18,712
Let-- Let me just say
that we've had a lot of things
1401
01:19:18,795 --> 01:19:21,339
go on in Orange County, in many landfills.
1402
01:19:22,174 --> 01:19:24,968
A man was killed at the Tuxedo dump
1403
01:19:25,051 --> 01:19:28,972
because he had information
that other people did not want out,
1404
01:19:29,055 --> 01:19:32,309
and he got buried in another dump
over in the town of Montgomery.
1405
01:19:34,603 --> 01:19:35,604
-Hi.
-Hi.
1406
01:19:37,981 --> 01:19:40,317
Thank you for coming here.
We appreciate this very much.
1407
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:41,693
We know you'll help us out a lot.
1408
01:19:42,277 --> 01:19:45,197
Do you feel that the past boards
have made money off of this,
1409
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:46,406
off of this dumping?
1410
01:19:46,490 --> 01:19:47,824
In my investigations,
1411
01:19:47,908 --> 01:19:50,660
I've, uh, uncovered a number of instances
1412
01:19:50,744 --> 01:19:53,663
where members of town boards
received bribes
1413
01:19:53,747 --> 01:19:58,794
from, uh, carters who were working
for organized crime
1414
01:19:58,877 --> 01:20:00,629
or who were controlled by organized crime.
1415
01:20:03,423 --> 01:20:06,593
Um, I took, uh, the materials that we had,
1416
01:20:06,676 --> 01:20:09,054
and we did extensive investigations,
as you know.
1417
01:20:10,889 --> 01:20:13,934
Here is a copy of our report entitled,
1418
01:20:14,017 --> 01:20:16,812
"Organized Crime's Involvement
in the Waste Hauling Industry,"
1419
01:20:16,895 --> 01:20:20,440
uh, which documents
and names specific people
1420
01:20:20,524 --> 01:20:24,110
who were involved
in these-- in these very serious crimes.
1421
01:20:25,195 --> 01:20:26,530
Up until that point,
1422
01:20:26,613 --> 01:20:29,741
the Mongellis were an abstraction
to me, pretty much.
1423
01:20:29,825 --> 01:20:32,494
But it was Hinchey's report
that kind of colored it in,
1424
01:20:32,577 --> 01:20:33,495
what was going on.
1425
01:20:36,748 --> 01:20:40,502
It's a family tree of organized crime
in the carting industry.
1426
01:20:41,002 --> 01:20:44,214
My eyes kind of went
to the companies and individuals
1427
01:20:44,297 --> 01:20:45,757
that I had heard of.
1428
01:20:47,884 --> 01:20:50,512
And I realized that we were
just kind of scraping
1429
01:20:50,595 --> 01:20:53,181
a little corner of the entire story.
1430
01:20:54,933 --> 01:20:57,894
Thousands and thousands
of tons of materials
1431
01:20:57,978 --> 01:20:59,813
were dumped throughout the Hudson Valley
1432
01:20:59,896 --> 01:21:02,816
under the direction
of organized crime figures.
1433
01:21:04,025 --> 01:21:08,154
And, in fact,
you can find these sites, um,
1434
01:21:08,238 --> 01:21:12,158
generally within a 200-mile radius
of New York City.
1435
01:21:13,618 --> 01:21:15,579
So in addition to upstate New York,
1436
01:21:15,662 --> 01:21:18,582
you could also find them in parts
of New England, and in Pennsylvania,
1437
01:21:18,665 --> 01:21:22,210
and in New Jersey,
and elsewhere in the immediate region.
1438
01:21:22,294 --> 01:21:23,879
It was compelling because,
1439
01:21:23,962 --> 01:21:27,549
wow, that's the kind of thing
that happens in movies and in books.
1440
01:21:27,632 --> 01:21:29,092
It doesn't happen in your backyard.
1441
01:21:29,175 --> 01:21:34,973
So when we started using the "M" word,
"Mafia," it became the hook.
1442
01:21:35,056 --> 01:21:38,852
Stick around. When we return,
teenagers take on a real-life project
1443
01:21:38,935 --> 01:21:41,521
exposing corruption and the mob.
1444
01:21:41,605 --> 01:21:44,983
Growing up as a kid, I just felt
like, you know, government would--
1445
01:21:45,066 --> 01:21:46,276
you know, was there to help us.
1446
01:21:46,359 --> 01:21:48,153
Then when I started
getting involved with this,
1447
01:21:48,236 --> 01:21:52,449
I realized that, you know, government
was just a lot of dealmaking
1448
01:21:52,532 --> 01:21:54,284
and stuff going on behind closed doors.
1449
01:21:54,367 --> 01:21:58,371
Didn't that frighten you guys, knowing
that there was a mob connection here?
1450
01:21:58,455 --> 01:22:00,999
Well, when it became clear
that the mob was involved,
1451
01:22:01,082 --> 01:22:04,836
it just sort of made us say,
"Well, that explains a lot."
1452
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,964
Maurice Hinchey was offered
a quarter of a million dollars
1453
01:22:08,048 --> 01:22:11,551
as a bribe to end the investigation
into the dirty dumping.
1454
01:22:11,635 --> 01:22:14,471
But instead of accepting the bribe,
Hinchey would turn evidence
1455
01:22:14,554 --> 01:22:17,140
that would help put
the Mongelli brothers behind bars.
1456
01:22:17,223 --> 01:22:18,516
He was wired.
1457
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:20,101
He got that on tape.
1458
01:22:20,685 --> 01:22:22,354
And it became part of the story.
1459
01:22:22,437 --> 01:22:25,065
Are you left with a sense
that you affected real change
1460
01:22:25,148 --> 01:22:27,233
and the situation
has been brought to a close?
1461
01:22:27,317 --> 01:22:30,070
Well, we still have the sense
that we've got more work to do.
1462
01:22:31,738 --> 01:22:37,035
Today, you're experiencing
what we experienced back then.
1463
01:22:37,118 --> 01:22:39,287
The wise guys are still running it.
1464
01:22:39,371 --> 01:22:42,999
They're still putting
anything imaginable in it.
1465
01:22:43,083 --> 01:22:44,668
They couldn't care less.
1466
01:22:45,543 --> 01:22:48,338
Garbage isn't just
what your mother tells you to take out.
1467
01:22:48,421 --> 01:22:49,923
It's a big, big business.
1468
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,593
Our saying when we were working,
is "garbage is gold."
1469
01:22:53,677 --> 01:22:56,054
And it is. Garbage is gold.
1470
01:22:56,930 --> 01:23:00,934
Do we have anything to fear
with what we're doing?
1471
01:23:01,017 --> 01:23:03,478
Do you think that anyone
would come after us?
1472
01:23:04,562 --> 01:23:05,689
Don't be foolish.
1473
01:23:05,772 --> 01:23:10,235
Don't… wander around by yourselves
in landfills or anything like that.
1474
01:23:15,323 --> 01:23:18,493
1:00 a.m., an anonymous phone call.
1475
01:23:22,580 --> 01:23:24,666
You've had your 15 minutes of fame.
1476
01:23:24,749 --> 01:23:26,167
Now let it go.
1477
01:23:28,503 --> 01:23:30,755
Weird things would start happening.
1478
01:23:32,007 --> 01:23:33,341
You'd pick up the telephone,
1479
01:23:33,425 --> 01:23:37,387
and this is the era of, like,
the house phone with the long cord,
1480
01:23:37,470 --> 01:23:40,223
and you'd hear a clicking, like a weird…
1481
01:23:40,306 --> 01:23:42,142
Then, I'm like,
"I think our phones are tapped."
1482
01:23:42,225 --> 01:23:43,768
Like, "I think they're fucking with us."
1483
01:23:43,852 --> 01:23:44,811
Maurice?
1484
01:23:44,894 --> 01:23:47,022
My ma says
you're gonna get bumped off, man.
1485
01:23:49,107 --> 01:23:51,026
By your mom?
1486
01:23:54,404 --> 01:23:56,865
Yeah! Bonfire!
1487
01:24:01,036 --> 01:24:03,371
There was a guy at a party,
1488
01:24:03,455 --> 01:24:07,000
and he was only
a couple years older than me,
1489
01:24:07,083 --> 01:24:10,086
but he did threaten me,
1490
01:24:10,170 --> 01:24:15,633
uh, and told me
to stay away from the landfill.
1491
01:24:15,717 --> 01:24:19,971
Exposing them to all of that,
it was at times a conflict for me,
1492
01:24:20,055 --> 01:24:22,932
and I think it was even more of a conflict
with my own daughter,
1493
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:28,021
in that she was younger
than my students at the time,
1494
01:24:28,104 --> 01:24:30,398
and I was bringing
some of this stuff home,
1495
01:24:30,482 --> 01:24:32,901
and I was talking candidly
with Denise about it,
1496
01:24:32,984 --> 01:24:33,902
and Sadie would listen.
1497
01:24:33,985 --> 01:24:38,073
And I'm thinking, "Wow, I'm really gonna
turn her off to the whole world
1498
01:24:38,156 --> 01:24:41,284
by-- by exposing her
to all of this stuff."
1499
01:24:41,367 --> 01:24:44,245
Do you remember any student saying to you,
1500
01:24:44,329 --> 01:24:49,626
"Mmm, Mr. Isseks, ah,
it's just getting too weird, too freaky"?
1501
01:24:51,294 --> 01:24:52,670
No. No.
1502
01:24:53,254 --> 01:24:54,297
It's like pretty colors.
1503
01:24:57,759 --> 01:25:00,470
Electronic English was an elective.
1504
01:25:00,553 --> 01:25:04,057
If this kind of thing
really turns you off,
1505
01:25:04,724 --> 01:25:07,727
take modern literature, take Shakespeare,
1506
01:25:07,811 --> 01:25:09,270
take creative writing.
1507
01:25:09,354 --> 01:25:11,147
Don't take Electronic English,
1508
01:25:11,231 --> 01:25:13,608
'cause you know
this is gonna be part of it.
1509
01:25:24,702 --> 01:25:28,581
Hi, this is Fred Isseks
for School Radio here on 1340 Wall,
1510
01:25:28,665 --> 01:25:31,417
sitting with a number
of Middletown High School seniors
1511
01:25:31,501 --> 01:25:34,712
right on the verge of graduating
in just a few months.
1512
01:25:34,796 --> 01:25:37,132
Are you looking forward
to graduating from high school?
1513
01:25:37,215 --> 01:25:40,885
I think it would be nice
to finally go out on my own, and…
1514
01:25:40,969 --> 01:25:43,847
and I know I could live well,
independently as an adult.
1515
01:25:43,930 --> 01:25:46,141
And I wanna prove that to myself
as well as my parents.
1516
01:25:46,224 --> 01:25:47,684
How about somebody else?
1517
01:25:47,767 --> 01:25:50,061
Rachel, I believe you're a senior,
is that correct?
1518
01:25:50,145 --> 01:25:51,771
Yes, I'm a senior.
1519
01:25:51,855 --> 01:25:53,356
Looking forward to getting out?
1520
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:56,067
Yeah, I can't wait to graduate.
I can't wait for the future.
1521
01:25:56,151 --> 01:26:02,198
I'm planning to move out to Los Angeles
and, uh, go to film school at USC.
1522
01:26:02,282 --> 01:26:05,201
Jeff, what about you?
Any plans for when you get out of school?
1523
01:26:05,827 --> 01:26:08,496
Well, um, I haven't really
thought much about it.
1524
01:26:08,580 --> 01:26:12,542
I still have a few years to go
until I get out of here.
1525
01:26:12,625 --> 01:26:15,587
Does the thought
of leaving high school inspire you
1526
01:26:15,670 --> 01:26:17,005
or does it fill you with fear?
1527
01:26:18,256 --> 01:26:22,468
It doesn't inspire me,
but it doesn't fill me with fear either.
1528
01:26:22,552 --> 01:26:24,721
Um, I just want to get out.
1529
01:26:29,392 --> 01:26:31,060
By the time I was a senior,
1530
01:26:31,144 --> 01:26:34,564
I ended up taking Fred's classes,
I believe, five times,
1531
01:26:34,647 --> 01:26:37,775
because I would just naturally
always wanna spend more time in the studio
1532
01:26:37,859 --> 01:26:38,985
or be around more.
1533
01:26:39,068 --> 01:26:41,321
People are starting
to talk about this issue.
1534
01:26:41,404 --> 01:26:44,240
They're starting to ask
good questions about the cap,
1535
01:26:44,324 --> 01:26:47,577
and who's putting it in,
and how much control the state has on it.
1536
01:26:48,494 --> 01:26:51,247
I hate to say it,
but I know there was a perception
1537
01:26:51,331 --> 01:26:55,084
that Fred was sort of leading us
into danger,
1538
01:26:55,627 --> 01:26:59,172
and that this had turned
into this quixotic quest.
1539
01:27:00,173 --> 01:27:02,508
Let's say hi to Daddy.
1540
01:27:02,592 --> 01:27:03,843
See how he's doing.
1541
01:27:03,927 --> 01:27:06,012
Daddy, get off the phone now!
1542
01:27:06,095 --> 01:27:07,972
Oh, Jesus.
1543
01:27:11,726 --> 01:27:15,355
You know, it's hard to say
with clarity what Fred even hoped
1544
01:27:15,438 --> 01:27:17,273
the endgame would be.
1545
01:27:17,982 --> 01:27:21,778
I personally hoped
people would see what we did
1546
01:27:21,861 --> 01:27:25,323
and care and stop.
1547
01:27:25,406 --> 01:27:29,202
Like, do clean that landfill out,
1548
01:27:29,285 --> 01:27:31,287
not just put a cap on it.
1549
01:27:32,205 --> 01:27:35,416
But, you know, then I grew up
and I went to college and I left,
1550
01:27:35,500 --> 01:27:37,710
and the story continued after me.
1551
01:27:42,006 --> 01:27:45,176
I'm thinking we hire a plane for the day.
1552
01:27:47,762 --> 01:27:51,432
If we get lots of toxic waste on camera,
1553
01:27:51,516 --> 01:27:53,810
then that makes liars out of all of them.
1554
01:27:55,937 --> 01:28:00,191
Okay. You got a list of questions
that you wanted to ask me? Very good.
1555
01:28:00,275 --> 01:28:04,112
We're here in reference
to the illegal dumping that was going on.
1556
01:28:04,195 --> 01:28:05,738
Okay, let me stop you right here.
1557
01:28:05,822 --> 01:28:08,449
I let you come in here
to talk to me about Earth Day.
1558
01:28:08,533 --> 01:28:10,868
I don't have the time to get into this.
1559
01:28:11,411 --> 01:28:16,833
Look at the dirty water
Look at him…
1560
01:28:16,916 --> 01:28:19,294
It seems to be
that you're more of a crusader
1561
01:28:19,377 --> 01:28:21,379
rather than a journalist,
1562
01:28:21,462 --> 01:28:23,673
and I wanted to know
how you would react to that.
1563
01:28:25,383 --> 01:28:26,801
That's a tough one.
1564
01:28:26,884 --> 01:28:30,763
When we started, it was pure journalism,
trying to-- to get at the truth.
1565
01:28:30,847 --> 01:28:32,223
And then as we worked on it,
1566
01:28:32,307 --> 01:28:35,143
it became clear that there was
a horrible thing going on here.
1567
01:28:35,226 --> 01:28:38,396
So in the sense
that I want to see a correction,
1568
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:41,232
I would like to see the water
protected better than it is,
1569
01:28:41,316 --> 01:28:43,484
I guess in that way,
I am a crusader of sorts.
1570
01:28:43,568 --> 01:28:47,155
Sit at your hole…
1571
01:28:47,989 --> 01:28:49,574
He's got a lot of hubbub.
1572
01:28:51,242 --> 01:28:53,202
We've gotta get-- You gotta talk to him.
1573
01:28:53,286 --> 01:28:55,371
-All right.
-Tell him what we're doing.
1574
01:28:55,455 --> 01:28:56,748
All right.
1575
01:28:58,583 --> 01:28:59,500
Sir?
1576
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:02,086
Sir?
1577
01:29:02,170 --> 01:29:04,464
The county executives
can tell you all about it,
1578
01:29:04,547 --> 01:29:06,632
what we've done at the high school
as far as the tape.
1579
01:29:06,716 --> 01:29:08,009
Good for you!
1580
01:29:13,056 --> 01:29:15,516
Go ahead, Santos. I got you covered.
1581
01:29:16,768 --> 01:29:20,063
There's a place supposedly
where the fence is low enough to jump.
1582
01:29:23,441 --> 01:29:24,984
What's this letter?
1583
01:29:28,112 --> 01:29:28,946
Ah!
1584
01:29:33,576 --> 01:29:36,120
"You deliberately led
your students to trespass
1585
01:29:36,204 --> 01:29:39,665
in a restricted maintenance area
on county property."
1586
01:29:39,749 --> 01:29:42,585
"More troublesome, however,
is how facile you are
1587
01:29:42,668 --> 01:29:46,923
in your deceit of innocence
in happening upon this site."
1588
01:29:47,006 --> 01:29:49,967
"This is a terrible attribute
to be teaching your students."
1589
01:29:50,051 --> 01:29:54,806
"Rest assured that future trespasses
will be dealt with appropriately."
1590
01:30:04,690 --> 01:30:07,944
I remember I was in the media center
kind of hanging out,
1591
01:30:08,027 --> 01:30:09,612
and Fred came over.
1592
01:30:09,695 --> 01:30:13,032
And I said, "Hey, how's it going?"
And he said, "Uh, not so great."
1593
01:30:13,866 --> 01:30:17,662
The district had contacted him
and said the school had had enough.
1594
01:30:17,745 --> 01:30:20,289
"We're gonna draw a line in the sand.
You're gonna stop doing this,
1595
01:30:20,373 --> 01:30:23,126
especially with the students,
especially with school equipment."
1596
01:30:23,209 --> 01:30:26,045
"And if for any reason
you do not abide by this,
1597
01:30:26,129 --> 01:30:29,632
you-- you will ultimately
not work here anymore."
1598
01:30:30,216 --> 01:30:32,009
And I-I-I'll never forget it.
1599
01:30:32,093 --> 01:30:33,261
And Fred said, "Yeah."
1600
01:30:33,344 --> 01:30:37,014
"So I was, you know,
on, like, my third Heineken last night
1601
01:30:37,098 --> 01:30:39,142
and I was thinking about this."
1602
01:30:39,225 --> 01:30:42,311
"I realized I don't need
this job that bad."
1603
01:30:42,895 --> 01:30:45,148
And I was like, "Fuck, yeah!"
1604
01:30:45,731 --> 01:30:48,985
-Excuse me. You need help, guys?
-We're from Middletown High School.
1605
01:30:49,068 --> 01:30:50,486
-How's it going?
-Good.
1606
01:30:50,570 --> 01:30:52,738
We wanted to videotape
how the cap is going.
1607
01:30:52,822 --> 01:30:54,699
Is it okay if we just
sort of cruise around here?
1608
01:30:54,782 --> 01:30:55,783
Actually, no.
1609
01:30:55,867 --> 01:31:01,497
Unfortunately, you guys aren't
really dressed to go through the landfill.
1610
01:31:02,081 --> 01:31:05,460
And, uh, you're not…
You're gonna stop doing that, right?
1611
01:31:05,543 --> 01:31:08,045
-Huh?
-You're gonna stop videotaping me?
1612
01:31:08,129 --> 01:31:09,630
-I appreciate that.
-I'm sorry.
1613
01:31:11,424 --> 01:31:15,011
These are the, uh… the liners, I think.
1614
01:31:15,845 --> 01:31:17,305
Ah, shit. Truck's coming at us.
1615
01:31:19,807 --> 01:31:21,517
Can you get that right there?
1616
01:31:21,601 --> 01:31:23,561
Now I'm using my house key
1617
01:31:23,644 --> 01:31:26,731
and I'm cutting
right through the actual liner.
1618
01:31:26,814 --> 01:31:28,524
This is the actual lining.
1619
01:31:28,608 --> 01:31:31,569
I'm actually using my house key to cut it.
1620
01:31:31,652 --> 01:31:33,029
You'll see that in a second, okay?
1621
01:31:38,784 --> 01:31:40,203
It's just my house key.
1622
01:31:40,953 --> 01:31:42,830
And I'm cutting a piece right off of here.
1623
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:45,917
-And it's cutting…
-Who's that kid, man?
1624
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:47,502
Not too easily, but it's cutting.
1625
01:31:47,585 --> 01:31:49,712
It felt good to graduate
and leave this behind.
1626
01:31:49,795 --> 01:31:51,506
Because it took growth to move on
1627
01:31:51,589 --> 01:31:54,634
and leave it to the next generation
of kids who were gonna work on it.
1628
01:31:54,717 --> 01:31:58,054
The company that the town and the state
decided to hire to cap the landfill
1629
01:31:58,137 --> 01:31:59,305
has a bad record.
1630
01:31:59,388 --> 01:32:01,766
New York City refused to hire
the Tully Corporation
1631
01:32:01,849 --> 01:32:04,727
because of allegations
that they were linked to organized crime.
1632
01:32:05,478 --> 01:32:10,566
Did you know that, uh, Tully was connected
to organized crime in New York City?
1633
01:32:10,650 --> 01:32:12,652
I'm not saying they're not linked
to organized crime.
1634
01:32:12,735 --> 01:32:15,655
I'm not saying they are.
I'm saying it didn't matter to us,
1635
01:32:15,738 --> 01:32:16,781
frankly, okay?
1636
01:32:16,864 --> 01:32:18,407
Our legal obligation,
1637
01:32:18,491 --> 01:32:20,993
and I think our moral obligation
to do what's right
1638
01:32:21,077 --> 01:32:22,662
by our taxpayers and our residents,
1639
01:32:22,745 --> 01:32:26,040
was to award
to the lowest qualified bidder.
1640
01:32:26,123 --> 01:32:27,583
And that's the end of the story.
1641
01:32:28,334 --> 01:32:30,336
60 Minutes came to town,
1642
01:32:30,419 --> 01:32:34,590
the New York Times, ABC World News.
1643
01:32:34,674 --> 01:32:39,011
And it absolutely felt like, finally,
1644
01:32:39,679 --> 01:32:44,892
now we've finally gone up the ladder,
and now we'll see, um, some action.
1645
01:32:44,976 --> 01:32:46,227
Well, in other news tonight,
1646
01:32:46,310 --> 01:32:49,272
Wallkill officials will have
some special guests
1647
01:32:49,355 --> 01:32:51,774
at their town board meeting
coming up tonight.
1648
01:32:51,857 --> 01:32:55,403
Tonight, Fred Isseks' class will attend
a town board meeting in Wallkill,
1649
01:32:55,486 --> 01:32:57,863
as they have many times
in the past four years.
1650
01:32:57,947 --> 01:33:00,616
The difference is
the national media will be present.
1651
01:33:04,996 --> 01:33:08,040
Before we open it up to the public,
uh, tonight we have a lot of guests.
1652
01:33:08,124 --> 01:33:10,293
We have a lot of, uh, media
here this evening.
1653
01:33:10,376 --> 01:33:13,087
Welcome to everyone
to the town of Wallkill.
1654
01:33:13,170 --> 01:33:17,592
Uh, I'd like to make a brief statement
about, uh, the media exposure
1655
01:33:17,675 --> 01:33:20,553
which the town of Wallkill Landfill
has recently received.
1656
01:33:20,636 --> 01:33:24,432
In order to ensure that this coverage
does not confuse the facts,
1657
01:33:24,515 --> 01:33:26,892
I would like to emphasize
the following points.
1658
01:33:27,768 --> 01:33:31,230
The Middletown High School students
have charged that the town of Wallkill
1659
01:33:31,314 --> 01:33:34,692
is covering up
by proceeding with the closure,
1660
01:33:34,775 --> 01:33:38,654
and has, at times,
publicly called upon the town
1661
01:33:38,738 --> 01:33:42,116
to cease construction on the landfill cap.
1662
01:33:42,199 --> 01:33:44,535
Now, I'd like to make this very clear.
1663
01:33:44,619 --> 01:33:47,955
This course of action would be illegal.
1664
01:33:48,039 --> 01:33:51,334
Federal and state law mandates
1665
01:33:51,417 --> 01:33:55,588
that we do exactly
what we are doing at this time.
1666
01:33:56,839 --> 01:33:59,508
Uh, with that, my comments are completed.
1667
01:33:59,592 --> 01:34:01,510
We'll now open the meeting
to public comment.
1668
01:34:01,594 --> 01:34:04,597
Anyone who'd like to speak,
uh, is welcome to do so.
1669
01:34:06,307 --> 01:34:09,977
To me, there was something
about the story that was universal,
1670
01:34:10,061 --> 01:34:14,440
that had an appeal beyond its own time.
1671
01:34:14,940 --> 01:34:16,400
Hi, my name is Jonathan Wise.
1672
01:34:16,484 --> 01:34:18,235
-Daniel Andersen.
-Jackie Kordiak.
1673
01:34:18,319 --> 01:34:20,529
Hello. My name is Melissa Kubik.
1674
01:34:20,613 --> 01:34:21,864
-I'm a sophomore…
-I'm a junior…
1675
01:34:21,947 --> 01:34:23,783
I'm a senior at Middletown High School.
1676
01:34:23,866 --> 01:34:25,910
And I think it exemplified things
1677
01:34:25,993 --> 01:34:29,246
that we're taught
to believe are important.
1678
01:34:29,330 --> 01:34:31,832
-Good evening. How you doing?
-All right, how you doing? Um…
1679
01:34:31,916 --> 01:34:33,459
-My name is Jeff Dutemple.
-Welcome back.
1680
01:34:33,542 --> 01:34:35,461
-Huh?
-It's one of the graduates.
1681
01:34:35,544 --> 01:34:37,463
-Welcome back.
-Thank you very much.
1682
01:34:38,673 --> 01:34:42,176
One would be this idea of civic courage.
1683
01:34:42,259 --> 01:34:44,845
My question is in reference
to a quote you made
1684
01:34:44,929 --> 01:34:47,348
when we had you
into the media center for an interview.
1685
01:34:47,431 --> 01:34:54,105
You said that you had no problem hiring
an allegedly Ma-- Mafia-connected company.
1686
01:34:54,188 --> 01:34:57,650
And, um, I was just wondering
how the rest of the board felt about that.
1687
01:34:58,359 --> 01:35:01,696
And that became
one of our-- our mottos, civic courage.
1688
01:35:01,779 --> 01:35:07,326
It means acting as if you live
in a real democracy.
1689
01:35:07,410 --> 01:35:09,328
Was public health
any real concern of yours?
1690
01:35:09,412 --> 01:35:13,666
Because I know that the standards
are a minimum, but you can go beyond that.
1691
01:35:13,749 --> 01:35:15,626
Have you ever lost confidence in the DEC?
1692
01:35:15,710 --> 01:35:17,753
We've noticed there's
always a conflict of interest
1693
01:35:17,837 --> 01:35:19,422
between engineers and the town.
1694
01:35:19,505 --> 01:35:21,757
I know that your family has lived
in the town of Wallkill
1695
01:35:21,841 --> 01:35:23,175
for the past 200 years.
1696
01:35:23,259 --> 01:35:25,594
I was just wondering,
what is the legacy you'll be leaving
1697
01:35:25,678 --> 01:35:27,680
the generations of your family
in the future?
1698
01:35:28,806 --> 01:35:30,015
Next question.
1699
01:35:30,099 --> 01:35:32,560
So we knew that a lot
of the things that we were doing
1700
01:35:32,643 --> 01:35:36,188
weren't going to bear any fruit
in terms of getting anybody arrested
1701
01:35:36,272 --> 01:35:38,733
or making any changes in policy.
1702
01:35:38,816 --> 01:35:43,487
But we proceeded
as though this is how it works.
1703
01:35:43,571 --> 01:35:46,991
If you provide evidence,
if you provide proof of something,
1704
01:35:47,616 --> 01:35:49,410
the right thing is going to be done.
1705
01:35:50,786 --> 01:35:52,955
Mr. Isseks, Mr. Isseks hasn't gone yet.
1706
01:35:53,038 --> 01:35:54,373
I wasn't going to say a word.
1707
01:35:54,457 --> 01:35:57,209
I was just going to sit
in the back and watch. But here I am.
1708
01:35:57,293 --> 01:36:00,588
The fact that we have
national media here tonight,
1709
01:36:00,671 --> 01:36:02,465
I ask myself the question,
1710
01:36:02,548 --> 01:36:05,384
"What can a national audience learn
from this whole thing?"
1711
01:36:06,218 --> 01:36:08,137
So when you point out
that your hands are tied
1712
01:36:08,220 --> 01:36:10,181
and it's the DEC that's doing this,
1713
01:36:10,264 --> 01:36:11,974
I think it's a point well taken.
1714
01:36:12,057 --> 01:36:15,644
And now at a time when Governor Pataki
is looking to cut the DEC,
1715
01:36:15,728 --> 01:36:18,355
and whatever power it has now
is going to be lessened,
1716
01:36:18,939 --> 01:36:22,234
and when Congress is looking
to do the same thing to the EPA,
1717
01:36:22,318 --> 01:36:25,696
I hope that the American people learn
that it's going to be folks like us
1718
01:36:25,780 --> 01:36:27,615
that are gonna have
to take charge of things.
1719
01:36:27,698 --> 01:36:29,533
-Okay.
-And for that, I thank you.
1720
01:36:31,786 --> 01:36:33,329
Turn it off now.
1721
01:37:21,085 --> 01:37:24,505
Rachel! Whoo!
1722
01:37:25,381 --> 01:37:27,174
Oh, my gosh.
1723
01:37:27,258 --> 01:37:28,926
-Hi.
-Aw.
1724
01:37:29,009 --> 01:37:30,553
Aww.
1725
01:37:31,679 --> 01:37:33,013
So much has changed
1726
01:37:33,097 --> 01:37:36,308
since we all last hung out
in this room together.
1727
01:37:36,392 --> 01:37:38,060
It's crazy, right?
1728
01:37:39,311 --> 01:37:43,148
When you leave your favorite room
in high school, you just walk out.
1729
01:37:43,232 --> 01:37:45,109
You think you're never gonna see it again.
1730
01:37:45,192 --> 01:37:46,777
We'll never see it again.
1731
01:37:50,197 --> 01:37:54,827
I mean, I think this space put everybody
on a level playing field where…
1732
01:37:59,582 --> 01:38:00,457
Um…
1733
01:38:02,710 --> 01:38:04,086
-Need a hug, buddy?
-Maybe.
1734
01:38:07,464 --> 01:38:08,799
It was a community.
1735
01:38:10,217 --> 01:38:13,220
It's one of the only reasons
I came to school.
1736
01:38:15,264 --> 01:38:16,724
Oh, my gosh.
1737
01:38:18,350 --> 01:38:19,852
This is so…
1738
01:38:24,773 --> 01:38:26,692
Oh, my gosh!
1739
01:38:26,775 --> 01:38:28,652
Oh, my gosh!
1740
01:38:28,736 --> 01:38:30,529
-This is incredible.
-Right?
1741
01:38:30,613 --> 01:38:32,781
I-- I think I remember this.
1742
01:38:32,865 --> 01:38:34,491
This is a true story.
1743
01:38:34,575 --> 01:38:36,118
True story!
1744
01:38:36,201 --> 01:38:39,663
Of determined high school students
who chose to work for a cause.
1745
01:38:39,747 --> 01:38:41,332
By using camcorders and tapes.
1746
01:38:41,415 --> 01:38:44,335
-To find out what happens.
-When people stop standing around.
1747
01:38:44,418 --> 01:38:46,629
And start making a difference.
1748
01:38:46,712 --> 01:38:48,714
This is the real world.
1749
01:38:50,257 --> 01:38:54,136
Everyone who's ever been in charge
at the town hall has said the same thing.
1750
01:38:54,219 --> 01:38:57,014
"Don't worry about that dump.
We'll take care of it."
1751
01:38:57,097 --> 01:38:58,682
"It doesn't pose a threat."
1752
01:38:58,766 --> 01:39:02,061
No one wanted to look into the problem.
Politicians didn't want to get involved.
1753
01:39:02,144 --> 01:39:04,063
District attorney wouldn't
even touch the issue.
1754
01:39:04,146 --> 01:39:05,898
Louis Mongelli used to live here.
1755
01:39:05,981 --> 01:39:08,025
He's now in
the Federal Witness Protection Program.
1756
01:39:08,108 --> 01:39:10,653
But he has never been charged
with any environmental crimes,
1757
01:39:10,736 --> 01:39:12,488
even though Round Lake was
the largest user
1758
01:39:12,571 --> 01:39:13,906
of the Orange County Landfill.
1759
01:39:13,989 --> 01:39:16,825
Is Garbage, Gangsters and Greed
a good film?
1760
01:39:16,909 --> 01:39:18,702
No!
1761
01:39:19,620 --> 01:39:21,747
It's a little bit clunky.
1762
01:39:22,373 --> 01:39:23,916
But that's not really the point.
1763
01:39:25,417 --> 01:39:27,670
I think you can watch
Garbage, Gangsters and Greed
1764
01:39:27,753 --> 01:39:32,299
and be amazed
at how messed up the system is.
1765
01:39:32,383 --> 01:39:35,678
And there's a level of jadedness
that-- that comes with…
1766
01:39:36,303 --> 01:39:38,597
like, knowing you're right.
1767
01:39:38,681 --> 01:39:42,518
The Ford Motor Company operated
a huge automobile plant here
1768
01:39:42,601 --> 01:39:45,270
at the New York-New Jersey state border.
1769
01:39:45,980 --> 01:39:49,024
Ford is gone now, but their mess isn't.
1770
01:39:51,652 --> 01:39:55,114
I just thought at 50
I was going to get cancer and die.
1771
01:39:56,073 --> 01:39:57,783
Then I turned 50,
1772
01:39:57,866 --> 01:39:59,827
and I don't have cancer,
1773
01:39:59,910 --> 01:40:00,995
and I'm healthy.
1774
01:40:01,078 --> 01:40:02,454
I bought a big house,
1775
01:40:02,538 --> 01:40:06,792
and I got a notice
that there's a landfill with toxic waste
1776
01:40:06,875 --> 01:40:08,752
within a few miles of my new house.
1777
01:40:10,379 --> 01:40:13,924
I don't know how much
17-year-old Rachel understood.
1778
01:40:14,842 --> 01:40:18,012
But 50-year-old Rachel now knows
1779
01:40:18,095 --> 01:40:23,350
how important everything
that Fred was teaching us really is.
1780
01:40:24,393 --> 01:40:28,355
Maybe that's why Fred won't give up,
because it's not a story that ever ends.
1781
01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:31,316
Since Ward Stone was thrown
out the dump in 1992,
1782
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:34,737
no one has done any real tests to see
what pollutants are washing off the site
1783
01:40:34,820 --> 01:40:37,322
and into the wetlands and aquifer below.
1784
01:40:37,406 --> 01:40:40,576
It looks like our children
and our children's children
1785
01:40:40,659 --> 01:40:43,328
will be tending
to this lethal garden forever.
1786
01:40:51,670 --> 01:40:56,175
I don't know. I feel like we had
a good confidence and focus.
1787
01:40:58,010 --> 01:41:00,054
Feel like we were doing pretty good
for kids that age.
1788
01:41:01,722 --> 01:41:05,559
Anything you'd say
to that kid, you know, if you could now?
1789
01:41:05,642 --> 01:41:07,311
Keep going. Keep going!
1790
01:41:07,394 --> 01:41:10,355
Ke-- Keep going, right? Um…
1791
01:41:12,441 --> 01:41:13,817
There's a Rolling Stones song.
1792
01:41:13,901 --> 01:41:16,153
"Isn't it wise sometimes
to never grow up?"
1793
01:41:16,236 --> 01:41:19,490
Like, what if we could get it right?
1794
01:41:20,532 --> 01:41:24,036
What if society could turn
the world back right-side-up?
1795
01:41:27,289 --> 01:41:30,125
Yeah. Very proud of all of us.
1796
01:41:31,919 --> 01:41:34,546
I hope-- I hope Fred's as proud as I am.
1797
01:41:43,889 --> 01:41:47,142
Landfills almost seem
like a secondary problem
1798
01:41:47,226 --> 01:41:49,353
compared to the warming,
1799
01:41:49,436 --> 01:41:52,231
compared to the way
the oceans are changing,
1800
01:41:52,314 --> 01:41:54,149
the poisoning of the cropland.
1801
01:41:54,233 --> 01:41:58,028
All these things seem to be
more dire and more threatening
1802
01:41:58,112 --> 01:42:00,697
than abandoned landfills at this point.
1803
01:42:04,034 --> 01:42:06,870
But I think the landfill
can stand in for that,
1804
01:42:06,954 --> 01:42:10,457
because it represents
a problem that can be addressed,
1805
01:42:10,541 --> 01:42:11,667
that should be addressed,
1806
01:42:11,750 --> 01:42:14,920
but just…
kind of gets kicked off to the side.
1807
01:42:20,050 --> 01:42:24,012
When I returned to school
in the fall of 2006,
1808
01:42:24,096 --> 01:42:28,058
I walked into a windowless room
that looked like a shoebox.
1809
01:42:28,142 --> 01:42:30,894
And all of the stuff
that had been in the studio,
1810
01:42:30,978 --> 01:42:35,649
the equipment, the cameras, the tapes,
boxes, cords, cables, everything,
1811
01:42:35,732 --> 01:42:40,279
kind of just… …plopped down
in a pile in the center of the room.
1812
01:42:40,946 --> 01:42:44,158
And it sure looked
an awful lot like punishment.
1813
01:42:49,538 --> 01:42:53,333
The ancient Greeks had respect for place.
1814
01:42:54,293 --> 01:42:57,838
It's the Greek concept
of topos versus khôra.
1815
01:42:57,921 --> 01:43:00,674
This was the football field,
and then these were the windows…
1816
01:43:00,757 --> 01:43:02,301
-To the library.
-Yeah.
1817
01:43:02,384 --> 01:43:04,720
Topos means a physical place.
1818
01:43:04,803 --> 01:43:06,471
One you can find on a map.
1819
01:43:06,555 --> 01:43:08,515
So was the door to the hallway there?
1820
01:43:08,599 --> 01:43:09,975
Oh! There was a door…
1821
01:43:10,058 --> 01:43:12,102
Yeah, there was one over
by that editing room.
1822
01:43:12,186 --> 01:43:13,645
You came in, or the other side.
1823
01:43:13,729 --> 01:43:15,355
It was the whole end of the building.
1824
01:43:16,356 --> 01:43:20,444
Whereas khôra
is the specificity of a place,
1825
01:43:20,527 --> 01:43:23,989
and what the place opens up as a theater,
1826
01:43:24,072 --> 01:43:26,575
as a-- a space for creation,
1827
01:43:26,658 --> 01:43:31,079
as, uh, a womb, almost,
for the birth of something.
1828
01:43:31,163 --> 01:43:33,957
Still rolling, guys.
Still listening, looking at the video.
1829
01:43:40,255 --> 01:43:44,176
If you come to find out who you are
1830
01:43:46,220 --> 01:43:50,599
Then may you find out
May you find out who you are
1831
01:43:52,851 --> 01:43:56,980
And if you come search
For what is lost
1832
01:43:59,024 --> 01:44:03,737
Then may you find it
May you find it at any cost
1833
01:44:05,739 --> 01:44:10,077
And if you come, oh, so soft
1834
01:44:11,620 --> 01:44:15,999
You may look up one day
And you'll be hard
1835
01:44:21,838 --> 01:44:23,090
If I were…
1836
01:44:23,173 --> 01:44:26,176
David came back to the hotel yesterday,
1837
01:44:26,260 --> 01:44:30,806
and he mentioned that you were considering
the name Garbage, Gangsters and Greed 2.
1838
01:44:30,889 --> 01:44:33,517
And it put a big smile on my face.
I love it.
1839
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:35,477
I th-- I think that's fantastic.
1840
01:44:35,560 --> 01:44:39,106
I'm waiting for
Garbage, Gangsters and Greed 3, 4, and 5.
1841
01:44:40,983 --> 01:44:45,237
Putting my body on display
1842
01:44:46,363 --> 01:44:48,365
In the parade
1843
01:45:32,576 --> 01:45:37,998
All my friends were there
1844
01:45:38,665 --> 01:45:43,420
Waiting on me
1845
01:45:45,213 --> 01:45:51,511
Oh, Laurie was there
1846
01:45:51,595 --> 01:45:56,350
Waiting on me
1847
01:45:57,684 --> 01:46:00,645
And Anna
1848
01:46:01,646 --> 01:46:03,648
Was there
1849
01:46:04,316 --> 01:46:09,404
Waiting on me
1850
01:46:10,072 --> 01:46:15,952
I've come and I will go
1851
01:46:16,495 --> 01:46:19,206
Just the same
1852
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:31,051
If I were to die today
1853
01:46:33,220 --> 01:46:37,265
Puppet in that gray charade
1854
01:46:39,559 --> 01:46:44,398
Last thing that you hear me say
1855
01:46:45,607 --> 01:46:50,487
Is "Bury me in different shades
1856
01:46:51,279 --> 01:46:53,615
Of the parade"
1857
01:46:58,662 --> 01:47:03,125
Passing slowly through the town
1858
01:47:05,252 --> 01:47:09,339
My feet, they cannot touch the ground
1859
01:47:11,383 --> 01:47:15,762
Go now, you'll go but, oh, just how?
1860
01:47:17,722 --> 01:47:21,935
Never leave this
Never leave this town
1861
01:47:23,311 --> 01:47:25,730
Of the parade
1862
01:47:52,591 --> 01:47:56,553
I am a scientist
I seek to understand me
1863
01:47:56,636 --> 01:48:00,515
All of my impurities
And evils yet unknown
1864
01:48:00,599 --> 01:48:04,853
I am a journalist
I write to you to show you
1865
01:48:04,936 --> 01:48:10,650
I am an incurable
And nothing else behaves like me
1866
01:48:14,529 --> 01:48:17,407
And I know what's right
1867
01:48:18,658 --> 01:48:22,120
But I'm losing sight of the clues
1868
01:48:22,204 --> 01:48:26,458
For which I search
And choose to abuse
1869
01:48:26,541 --> 01:48:28,960
To just unlock my mind
1870
01:48:29,044 --> 01:48:33,215
Yeah, and just unlock my mind
1871
01:48:40,222 --> 01:48:44,059
I am a pharmacist
Prescriptions, I will fill you
1872
01:48:44,142 --> 01:48:48,313
Potions, pills, and medicines
To ease your painful lives
1873
01:48:48,396 --> 01:48:52,192
I am a lost soul
I shoot myself with rock and roll
1874
01:48:52,275 --> 01:48:58,031
The hole I dig is bottomless
But nothing else can set me free
1875
01:49:01,743 --> 01:49:04,871
And I know what's right
1876
01:49:05,997 --> 01:49:09,543
But I'm losing sight of the clues
1877
01:49:09,626 --> 01:49:13,755
For which I search
And choose to abuse
1878
01:49:13,838 --> 01:49:16,258
To just unlock my mind
1879
01:49:16,341 --> 01:49:20,845
Yeah, to just unlock my mind
1880
01:49:27,477 --> 01:49:31,231
I am a scientist
I seek to understand me
1881
01:49:31,314 --> 01:49:36,486
I am an incurable
And nothing else behaves like me
1882
01:49:36,570 --> 01:49:39,698
Everything is right
1883
01:49:40,615 --> 01:49:43,660
Everything works out right
1884
01:49:44,619 --> 01:49:46,913
Everything fades from sight
1885
01:49:46,997 --> 01:49:51,334
Because that's all right with me
1886
01:49:59,175 --> 01:50:00,051
Right.
1887
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:02,387
Well, I hope you liked the video.
1888
01:50:03,054 --> 01:50:07,350
This is Chris Cordani signing off
for MHS TV in Middletown, New York.
1889
01:50:07,434 --> 01:50:09,728
Thank you for watching. Good night.
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