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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,330 --> 00:00:15,014 We want Kiss! 2 00:00:15,090 --> 00:00:19,351 We want Kiss! We want Kiss! We want Kiss! 3 00:00:19,503 --> 00:00:22,574 We want Kiss! We want Kiss! 4 00:00:22,598 --> 00:00:25,190 We want Kiss! We want Kiss! 5 00:00:25,342 --> 00:00:28,027 We want Kiss! 6 00:00:28,178 --> 00:00:33,532 From the beginning our bond was the belief in the band, 7 00:00:33,683 --> 00:00:35,425 our belief in Kiss. 8 00:00:38,355 --> 00:00:42,374 The heights we've reached... wow. 9 00:00:42,451 --> 00:00:44,359 But it was a lot of hard work. 10 00:00:46,789 --> 00:00:48,797 Nothing could get in our way. 11 00:00:50,793 --> 00:00:52,534 We've always lived it big. 12 00:00:58,225 --> 00:01:02,614 All right, Vancouver! 13 00:01:02,638 --> 00:01:05,564 We rise to the gauntlet. 14 00:01:05,641 --> 00:01:08,484 We threw down on the floor for ourselves. 15 00:01:09,461 --> 00:01:10,772 You wanted the best... 16 00:01:10,796 --> 00:01:13,072 You wanted the best! 17 00:01:13,223 --> 00:01:14,406 You got the best. 18 00:01:14,483 --> 00:01:17,150 You got the best! 19 00:01:17,303 --> 00:01:19,078 Believing in yourself against all odds. 20 00:01:19,154 --> 00:01:21,988 The hottest band in the world... 21 00:01:22,141 --> 00:01:23,323 That's Kiss! 22 00:01:23,475 --> 00:01:24,583 Kiss! 23 00:01:27,588 --> 00:01:34,676 ♪ ♪ 24 00:01:36,580 --> 00:01:37,930 Whoo! 25 00:01:38,006 --> 00:01:40,340 ♪ Well, the night's begun, and you want some fun ♪ 26 00:01:40,492 --> 00:01:42,579 ♪ do you think you're gonna find it? ♪ 27 00:01:42,603 --> 00:01:43,936 ♪ Think you're gonna find it ♪ 28 00:01:44,087 --> 00:01:46,772 ♪ you got to treat yourself like number one ♪ 29 00:01:46,923 --> 00:01:48,827 ♪ do you need to be reminded? ♪ 30 00:01:48,851 --> 00:01:50,995 ♪ Need to be reminded ♪ 31 00:01:51,019 --> 00:01:53,278 ♪ it doesn't matter what you do or say ♪ 32 00:01:53,355 --> 00:01:56,365 ♪ just forget the things that you've been told ♪ 33 00:01:57,767 --> 00:02:00,119 ♪ can't do it any other way ♪ 34 00:02:00,195 --> 00:02:05,844 ♪ everybody's got to rock and roll, whoa-ohh ♪ 35 00:02:05,868 --> 00:02:09,848 ♪ shout it, shout it, shout it out loud ♪ 36 00:02:09,872 --> 00:02:12,464 Super group Kiss hit like a thunderbolt. 37 00:02:12,541 --> 00:02:15,375 Since 1974 Kiss has produced a gold album 38 00:02:15,527 --> 00:02:16,855 with every single album. 39 00:02:16,879 --> 00:02:18,971 Kiss is playing to sold-out crowds everywhere. 40 00:02:19,047 --> 00:02:22,382 We gonna get this place hotter than hell! 41 00:02:22,534 --> 00:02:24,309 It's being compared to Beatlemania. 42 00:02:24,461 --> 00:02:26,812 - Come on! - - They're larger-than-life 43 00:02:26,889 --> 00:02:28,533 comic strip superheroes. 44 00:02:28,557 --> 00:02:31,483 A monster, a cat, a spaceman, 45 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,819 and a Harlequin lover. 46 00:02:33,896 --> 00:02:35,154 Who are these people? 47 00:02:35,230 --> 00:02:38,064 They are four of the most recognizable faces 48 00:02:38,217 --> 00:02:41,045 on the planet, and one of the most iconic 49 00:02:41,069 --> 00:02:44,329 and badass bands of all time. 50 00:02:44,406 --> 00:02:46,498 The Kiss sound was unapologetic, 51 00:02:46,575 --> 00:02:49,721 big, badass Rock 'n' Roll. 52 00:02:49,745 --> 00:02:50,814 Kiss blew it up 53 00:02:50,838 --> 00:02:53,150 into this nuclear combination. 54 00:02:53,174 --> 00:02:57,250 It's the lights, explosions everywhere, fire. 55 00:02:57,403 --> 00:03:01,900 Nobody has ever done it as big as Kiss. 56 00:03:01,924 --> 00:03:03,515 Whoo! 57 00:03:03,667 --> 00:03:05,996 We love you! 58 00:03:17,180 --> 00:03:18,864 Together legendary rockers Kiss say 59 00:03:19,015 --> 00:03:23,035 they are about to embark on their farewell tour. 60 00:03:23,186 --> 00:03:24,778 The end of the road tour, 61 00:03:24,930 --> 00:03:29,541 the most ambitious undertaking of their 45-plus-year career. 62 00:03:29,693 --> 00:03:31,543 ♪ All night ♪ 63 00:03:31,695 --> 00:03:33,765 ♪ and party every day ♪ 64 00:03:33,789 --> 00:03:37,883 ♪ I wanna rock and roll all night ♪ 65 00:03:38,034 --> 00:03:40,697 I'll tell you what's a little different about this tour. 66 00:03:40,721 --> 00:03:43,366 We've never spent months rehearsing, 67 00:03:43,390 --> 00:03:44,759 not because we don't know the songs, 68 00:03:44,783 --> 00:03:47,968 but this is... This is just pride. 69 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,729 This is the last time people are going to see us. 70 00:03:50,806 --> 00:03:52,784 So with that in mind, we want to be going out 71 00:03:52,808 --> 00:03:54,848 with the greatest show we've ever done. 72 00:03:56,219 --> 00:03:59,738 By the time we're done, we'll be close to 50 years 73 00:03:59,889 --> 00:04:02,052 of playing tours on stage. 74 00:04:02,076 --> 00:04:05,797 Paul and I are two different sides but of the same coin. 75 00:04:05,821 --> 00:04:08,747 I couldn't be who I am and was without Paul. 76 00:04:08,824 --> 00:04:11,416 And I'd like to think he thinks the same way. 77 00:04:11,493 --> 00:04:14,419 Gene and I, we've both been through a lot. 78 00:04:14,496 --> 00:04:20,311 I think at this point Gene is as much family to me as blood. 79 00:04:21,670 --> 00:04:24,096 Kiss has always been the underdog. 80 00:04:24,172 --> 00:04:27,302 We were the people who weren't supposed to succeed. 81 00:04:27,326 --> 00:04:28,820 Now we're the proof 82 00:04:28,844 --> 00:04:31,603 you can thrive following your own instincts. 83 00:04:33,015 --> 00:04:35,326 But we didn't get here overnight. 84 00:04:55,370 --> 00:04:58,166 I was born in Israel. 85 00:04:58,190 --> 00:05:01,503 Both my mother and my father came from Hungary 86 00:05:01,527 --> 00:05:04,689 after world war ii. 87 00:05:04,713 --> 00:05:06,880 When I was about 6 1/2 88 00:05:07,032 --> 00:05:10,642 my father picked up and just walked out. 89 00:05:10,794 --> 00:05:14,365 And my mother and I came to America. 90 00:05:14,389 --> 00:05:18,817 In New York, my mother goes to a sweat factory. 91 00:05:18,968 --> 00:05:20,872 She makes half a penny for every button 92 00:05:20,896 --> 00:05:23,541 she sews on to a winter coat, 93 00:05:23,565 --> 00:05:28,305 clears just enough money to pay the rent and food. 94 00:05:28,329 --> 00:05:31,215 And we survive. 95 00:05:31,239 --> 00:05:33,573 If Gene was a stranger in a strange land, 96 00:05:33,725 --> 00:05:36,084 I was a stranger in a strange neighborhood. 97 00:05:37,821 --> 00:05:40,058 I grew up in a one-bedroom apartment 98 00:05:40,082 --> 00:05:43,728 in an Irish catholic area. 99 00:05:43,752 --> 00:05:46,678 We were the only Jews. 100 00:05:46,755 --> 00:05:49,567 My mom had been born in Berlin 101 00:05:49,591 --> 00:05:52,184 and had fled to escape the Nazis 102 00:05:52,260 --> 00:05:57,241 and the extermination of 6 million of our people. 103 00:05:57,265 --> 00:05:59,060 I grew up with people around me 104 00:05:59,084 --> 00:06:02,027 with numbers on their arms. 105 00:06:02,178 --> 00:06:04,437 On top of that, I was born with a condition 106 00:06:04,590 --> 00:06:09,034 called a microtia, so I had no right ear. 107 00:06:09,111 --> 00:06:11,536 It was just a crumpled mass of cartilage. 108 00:06:11,688 --> 00:06:15,540 And I couldn't hear on my right side. 109 00:06:15,617 --> 00:06:18,413 When you don't look like everybody else, 110 00:06:18,437 --> 00:06:20,545 the scrutiny is unrelenting. 111 00:06:20,697 --> 00:06:24,290 And for a little kid to be stared at or pointed to 112 00:06:24,443 --> 00:06:28,294 or taunted is devastating. 113 00:06:28,447 --> 00:06:29,941 Gene and I, what we share 114 00:06:29,965 --> 00:06:34,226 is a sense of being outsiders for different reasons. 115 00:06:34,302 --> 00:06:40,101 But we also found escape in music. 116 00:06:40,125 --> 00:06:45,070 I came here as Chaim Witz. 117 00:06:45,147 --> 00:06:47,572 I couldn't speak a word of English. 118 00:06:47,724 --> 00:06:51,576 I was aware I didn't fit in. I still feel like an outsider. 119 00:06:51,653 --> 00:06:56,581 But I soon devoured everything American. 120 00:06:56,733 --> 00:06:58,970 Rambler American by American motors. 121 00:06:58,994 --> 00:07:01,305 New Generation of youth. 122 00:07:01,329 --> 00:07:02,754 Protect your complexion. 123 00:07:02,906 --> 00:07:06,591 And I started listening to the radio all the time. 124 00:07:06,668 --> 00:07:10,170 I heard Chuck Berry and Jackie Wilson and fats domino. 125 00:07:10,322 --> 00:07:13,506 I couldn't speak English. I just loved the music. 126 00:07:13,659 --> 00:07:16,746 I had a little pocket transistor radio, 127 00:07:16,770 --> 00:07:19,438 and I walked around with it waiting to hear the Beatles. 128 00:07:19,514 --> 00:07:21,773 Now, at 9:30 tonight a special Beatles segment 129 00:07:21,925 --> 00:07:23,161 like we have every Saturday, The Beatles... 130 00:07:23,185 --> 00:07:25,255 Ladies and gentlemen, the Beatles. 131 00:07:25,279 --> 00:07:26,998 Here were these four guys... 132 00:07:27,022 --> 00:07:28,816 They may have been aliens... 133 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,449 They looked like buddies. 134 00:07:30,525 --> 00:07:32,284 I'd never seen anything like it. 135 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,786 The girls were going out of their minds. 136 00:07:34,938 --> 00:07:36,529 And I had an epiphany. 137 00:07:36,682 --> 00:07:40,125 And I thought, "that's a pretty cool job." 138 00:07:40,202 --> 00:07:41,771 It was a revelation to me. 139 00:07:41,795 --> 00:07:43,462 I'm a little overweight kid 140 00:07:43,538 --> 00:07:45,833 named Stanley Bert Eisen. 141 00:07:45,857 --> 00:07:47,110 I'm deaf in one ear. 142 00:07:47,134 --> 00:07:48,633 But I see the Beatles, 143 00:07:48,785 --> 00:07:50,952 and I go, "I can do that." 144 00:07:52,380 --> 00:07:54,139 "I can touch that nerve." 145 00:07:54,216 --> 00:07:57,142 Why I thought that god only knows. 146 00:07:57,219 --> 00:08:00,623 My mother bought me a copy of a Hofner bass 147 00:08:00,647 --> 00:08:02,366 called a Kent. 148 00:08:02,390 --> 00:08:04,483 And I've never looked back. 149 00:08:04,559 --> 00:08:08,061 I knew I wanted to make Rock 'n' Roll. 150 00:08:28,416 --> 00:08:29,894 Wow, how different is this? 151 00:08:31,678 --> 00:08:34,346 It wasn't this easy to get in. 152 00:08:34,497 --> 00:08:36,067 From the beginning, 153 00:08:36,091 --> 00:08:38,424 Gene felt more like a relative. 154 00:08:38,577 --> 00:08:39,926 I guess that's the Electric Lady. 155 00:08:40,078 --> 00:08:44,242 I felt real fortunate to have met him 156 00:08:44,266 --> 00:08:47,912 in spite of him driving me crazy a lot of times. 157 00:08:47,936 --> 00:08:51,530 - We were here. I remember being in studio a 158 00:08:51,681 --> 00:08:55,086 when Stevie was recording "superstition." 159 00:08:55,110 --> 00:08:56,609 - This way. - Oh, there. 160 00:08:56,762 --> 00:08:58,756 Paul and I, 161 00:08:58,780 --> 00:09:02,448 the chemistry worked, but it didn't start that way. 162 00:09:04,436 --> 00:09:06,597 - No picks? - There's two. 163 00:09:06,621 --> 00:09:10,752 Well, I never met anybody else who wrote songs. 164 00:09:10,776 --> 00:09:12,195 And this guy Stephen Coronel, 165 00:09:12,219 --> 00:09:13,271 who was my school chum 166 00:09:13,295 --> 00:09:14,719 growing up, said, 167 00:09:14,871 --> 00:09:16,682 "oh, this guy Paul, you know, he actually writes songs." 168 00:09:16,706 --> 00:09:20,444 And I actually said something like, "oh, really? 169 00:09:20,468 --> 00:09:21,468 What do you got?" 170 00:09:33,315 --> 00:09:34,792 I picked up a guitar, 171 00:09:34,816 --> 00:09:36,816 and I played him "Sunday driver." 172 00:09:36,968 --> 00:09:40,245 ♪ Let me be your Sunday driver ♪ 173 00:09:40,396 --> 00:09:44,416 ♪ let me be your Monday man ♪ 174 00:09:44,492 --> 00:09:46,563 ♪ I'll take you anywhere you want ♪ 175 00:09:46,587 --> 00:09:48,753 ♪ just as fast as I can ♪ 176 00:09:51,908 --> 00:09:53,903 That was called "Sunday Driver." 177 00:09:53,927 --> 00:09:55,927 And that was changed to "let me know" 178 00:09:56,079 --> 00:09:58,241 that we recorded, and I went... 179 00:09:58,265 --> 00:09:59,984 "Wow, that's a... That's a good song." 180 00:10:00,008 --> 00:10:02,745 ♪ Just gotta decide, girl, and then you let me ♪ 181 00:10:02,769 --> 00:10:07,417 ♪ know oh oh oh ♪ 182 00:10:07,441 --> 00:10:09,327 And then Gene played a song. 183 00:10:09,351 --> 00:10:11,776 I played... did I play "My uncle is a raft"? 184 00:10:11,928 --> 00:10:12,928 Yes. 185 00:10:20,103 --> 00:10:22,432 You played it like this. 186 00:10:22,456 --> 00:10:23,933 ♪ My uncle is a raft ♪ 187 00:10:23,957 --> 00:10:27,292 ♪ and he doesn't even know it ♪ 188 00:10:27,443 --> 00:10:29,461 ♪ he is so good to me ♪ 189 00:10:29,612 --> 00:10:31,796 ♪ he treats me tenderly ♪ 190 00:10:31,873 --> 00:10:36,635 ♪ and it doesn't matter who you are ♪ 191 00:10:36,786 --> 00:10:38,356 - It was like... "Ah-cha-cha-cha." 192 00:10:38,380 --> 00:10:41,306 - He didn't think much of me. He thought I was arrogant, 193 00:10:41,457 --> 00:10:43,620 an asshole, and he thought my song sucked. 194 00:10:43,644 --> 00:10:47,515 He was obnoxious, but look, I'm the first to admit 195 00:10:47,539 --> 00:10:51,202 that the chances of success... 196 00:10:51,226 --> 00:10:54,227 Certainly on the level that we've had... 197 00:10:54,379 --> 00:10:56,896 The chances of that were slim and none. 198 00:10:57,048 --> 00:10:59,991 Meeting Gene was... Was the key to it all. 199 00:11:01,662 --> 00:11:03,328 Gene and I started writing, 200 00:11:03,479 --> 00:11:05,716 and what we were doing sounded good. 201 00:11:05,740 --> 00:11:07,660 It was fun. It was interesting. 202 00:11:07,726 --> 00:11:10,388 It was what became Wicked Lester. 203 00:11:11,913 --> 00:11:15,042 We had a five-piece band, Stephen Coronel, 204 00:11:15,066 --> 00:11:17,917 who can play a little lead guitar, 205 00:11:18,069 --> 00:11:20,512 a keyboard player named Brooke Ostrander, 206 00:11:20,663 --> 00:11:24,683 and a drummer who wasn't the best drummer. 207 00:11:24,759 --> 00:11:27,905 But he had cool long hair and a handlebar mustache. 208 00:11:27,929 --> 00:11:29,688 He's got to be in the band. 209 00:11:29,839 --> 00:11:31,893 And we started rehearsing in a loft 210 00:11:31,917 --> 00:11:33,744 on Mott street in Chinatown 211 00:11:33,768 --> 00:11:36,580 doing all-original material, about half of Paul’s songs, 212 00:11:36,604 --> 00:11:38,582 half of my songs. 213 00:11:38,606 --> 00:11:41,533 At the same time, in my neighborhood in queens 214 00:11:41,684 --> 00:11:44,755 there was a head shop, and I was hanging out there, 215 00:11:44,779 --> 00:11:48,114 because I seemed to fit in there better 216 00:11:48,266 --> 00:11:51,376 than going to little league or anything of that sort. 217 00:11:51,527 --> 00:11:53,764 And one day I came in, and they said, 218 00:11:53,788 --> 00:11:56,789 "hey, a guy was in this morning from Electric Lady." 219 00:11:56,942 --> 00:12:00,104 And that was like somebody from Valhalla, 220 00:12:00,128 --> 00:12:03,555 you know, somebody from, you know, some hallowed ground, 221 00:12:03,631 --> 00:12:06,369 and they said, "yeah, we got his phone number for you." 222 00:12:06,393 --> 00:12:09,469 And it had a scribbled name "Ron." 223 00:12:15,551 --> 00:12:20,739 Electric Lady Studios was Jimi Hendrix's home. 224 00:12:20,890 --> 00:12:23,461 The '70s was the beginning of the rise 225 00:12:23,485 --> 00:12:25,076 of Electric Lady Studios, 226 00:12:25,228 --> 00:12:27,965 and it had a vibe like no other studio. 227 00:12:29,416 --> 00:12:31,619 It was built for Jimi. 228 00:12:31,643 --> 00:12:34,160 And it attracted musicians, 229 00:12:34,312 --> 00:12:36,974 'cause they wanted to be part of that. 230 00:12:36,998 --> 00:12:39,977 You walk in that studio, and you want to make music. 231 00:12:40,001 --> 00:12:42,260 You want to play. 232 00:12:42,337 --> 00:12:43,798 So I call up Electric Lady, and I say, 233 00:12:43,822 --> 00:12:45,483 "hey, can I please speak to Ron?" 234 00:12:45,507 --> 00:12:49,601 And I called back over and over and over incessantly. 235 00:12:49,752 --> 00:12:51,511 And finally, one day I said, 236 00:12:51,663 --> 00:12:54,325 "you tell him that it's because of people like him 237 00:12:54,349 --> 00:12:56,165 that bands like mine break up." 238 00:12:57,778 --> 00:12:59,185 And that... that did it. 239 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,448 In the Wicked Lester days, 240 00:13:03,599 --> 00:13:07,193 they were always hanging outside picking up chicks. 241 00:13:07,345 --> 00:13:10,955 The scene on 8th street was really a fashion show, 242 00:13:11,107 --> 00:13:13,533 lace and satin and platform boots, 243 00:13:13,685 --> 00:13:16,536 just really hot women that at that point 244 00:13:16,688 --> 00:13:19,016 I didn't have a chance of getting. 245 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,800 Like the doors of fantasyland, 246 00:13:21,951 --> 00:13:24,338 a world that we didn't have access to. 247 00:13:24,362 --> 00:13:26,023 Nobody had the access. 248 00:13:28,457 --> 00:13:32,789 We were that much closer to where we wanted to be. 249 00:13:32,813 --> 00:13:34,031 Just getting through the door 250 00:13:34,055 --> 00:13:37,535 at the top of these stairs was monumental. 251 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,818 We were just eager beavers. 252 00:13:39,969 --> 00:13:41,561 We would literally hang out 253 00:13:41,713 --> 00:13:44,989 and see everybody from Stevie wonder to Jeff Beck. 254 00:13:45,141 --> 00:13:48,212 Actually, Stephen stills was in this recording booth. 255 00:13:48,236 --> 00:13:50,236 And stills comes out and says, 256 00:13:50,388 --> 00:13:51,882 "hey, I hear you've got a bass guitar 257 00:13:51,906 --> 00:13:53,868 "that sounds really good. How much do you want?" 258 00:13:53,892 --> 00:13:56,501 He pulled out a wad of hundreds. 259 00:13:56,652 --> 00:13:59,078 And he just rolled off three $100 bills. 260 00:13:59,230 --> 00:14:02,893 I went, "wow. I want to be a rock star." 261 00:14:02,917 --> 00:14:04,712 Like, anybody you could imagine 262 00:14:04,736 --> 00:14:06,230 were coming and going recording there. 263 00:14:06,254 --> 00:14:10,234 So we spent a year working on an album. 264 00:14:10,258 --> 00:14:12,829 And we did it on what's called spec time. 265 00:14:12,853 --> 00:14:16,057 You find out when a session is going to end, 266 00:14:16,081 --> 00:14:19,858 and you sit and wait. 267 00:14:22,253 --> 00:14:24,573 You could be sitting there for six or seven hours. 268 00:14:30,278 --> 00:14:32,111 At that point, Wicked Lester was following 269 00:14:32,263 --> 00:14:35,039 almost every trend, whatever was hot. 270 00:14:35,116 --> 00:14:37,375 One song had flutes all over the place. 271 00:14:37,526 --> 00:14:39,856 It sounded like a Jethro Tull record. 272 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,582 They were kind of throwing all their influences 273 00:14:41,606 --> 00:14:42,606 into a melting pot. 274 00:14:45,276 --> 00:14:48,553 If one week a song with a ukulele was a hit, 275 00:14:48,630 --> 00:14:50,700 we'd put a ukulele on the song. 276 00:14:50,724 --> 00:14:53,044 If next week there was a song that had a trombone... 277 00:14:54,135 --> 00:14:55,872 We'd put a trombone on. 278 00:14:55,896 --> 00:14:59,116 We knew nothing, nothing about the recording process, 279 00:14:59,140 --> 00:15:00,768 what these songs should sound like. 280 00:15:03,052 --> 00:15:06,738 But somehow Ron Johnsen at Electric Lady Studios 281 00:15:06,889 --> 00:15:09,073 brought the tape to epic records, 282 00:15:09,150 --> 00:15:10,742 and we got signed right away. 283 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,414 And when the album wasn't too far from coming out, 284 00:15:16,565 --> 00:15:20,084 we listened and went, "this is soul-less, ball-less, 285 00:15:20,161 --> 00:15:22,921 just a neutered hodgepodge of music." 286 00:15:23,072 --> 00:15:24,901 It wasn't working, and it wasn't cohesive, 287 00:15:24,925 --> 00:15:25,960 and it didn't look great. 288 00:15:25,984 --> 00:15:27,500 The sound was Generic, 289 00:15:27,652 --> 00:15:29,146 and we didn't want to be Generic. 290 00:15:29,170 --> 00:15:31,837 And every song sounded different than the other. 291 00:15:33,508 --> 00:15:36,987 We literally walked out of Electric Lady Studios. 292 00:15:37,011 --> 00:15:39,749 We had a contract; We got some money. 293 00:15:39,773 --> 00:15:41,773 I don't know, $44,000, 294 00:15:41,849 --> 00:15:44,684 some ridiculous figure in those days, 295 00:15:44,836 --> 00:15:46,480 which sounded like a lot of money. 296 00:15:46,504 --> 00:15:48,332 And you know what? It wasn't satisfying. 297 00:15:49,857 --> 00:15:51,485 The other guys in the band were just happy 298 00:15:51,509 --> 00:15:53,930 to have an album; We weren't. 299 00:15:53,954 --> 00:15:55,172 Gene and I just realized 300 00:15:55,196 --> 00:15:57,863 that this wasn't the direction for us. 301 00:15:59,442 --> 00:16:01,996 We had to scrap it in order to get back on the path 302 00:16:02,020 --> 00:16:03,795 that we should have been on. 303 00:16:03,871 --> 00:16:05,849 So we told the rest of the guys in the band, 304 00:16:05,873 --> 00:16:09,041 "you're fired. We're pulling the band apart." 305 00:16:09,194 --> 00:16:10,474 The guys in the band were going, 306 00:16:10,619 --> 00:16:13,616 "no, no, no, no. We have a record deal." 307 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:14,951 "You can't fire us." 308 00:16:14,975 --> 00:16:17,095 - "We're staying." - "Okay, then we quit." 309 00:16:23,316 --> 00:16:24,868 We went back to the loft, 310 00:16:24,892 --> 00:16:26,629 and all the equipment was stolen. 311 00:16:26,653 --> 00:16:28,152 You remember that? 312 00:16:28,304 --> 00:16:32,156 And I remember, "gotta start all over again." 313 00:16:32,308 --> 00:16:35,994 So I went to university, upstate New York. 314 00:16:36,145 --> 00:16:37,996 And I think I remember saying, 315 00:16:38,072 --> 00:16:40,832 "I'm gonna go up there, you know, and start a band." 316 00:16:40,908 --> 00:16:43,668 And you in essence said, "I'm coming with you." 317 00:16:43,819 --> 00:16:45,003 - You remember that? - Mm-hmm. 318 00:16:45,079 --> 00:16:46,912 Why the hell would you want to do that? 319 00:16:47,065 --> 00:16:50,508 Because I knew I was stronger with you. 320 00:16:50,659 --> 00:16:54,231 And even if you didn't quite see at that point 321 00:16:54,255 --> 00:16:56,848 that you were stronger with me, 322 00:16:56,999 --> 00:16:59,403 quite honestly, I was more concerned with me. 323 00:16:59,427 --> 00:17:03,763 And it was better to have you with me than me alone. 324 00:17:03,915 --> 00:17:05,264 For Gene and I, 325 00:17:05,416 --> 00:17:08,671 it was almost unspoken what needed to be done. 326 00:17:08,695 --> 00:17:12,438 We started all over again with new songs 327 00:17:12,590 --> 00:17:15,402 that were being written fast, "deuce" and "strutter" 328 00:17:15,426 --> 00:17:19,203 and all these songs that felt finally right. 329 00:17:19,355 --> 00:17:22,874 We made it a point to only have one sound 330 00:17:23,025 --> 00:17:26,080 and that this would be identifiable. 331 00:17:26,104 --> 00:17:28,546 So we immediately started to hone in 332 00:17:28,697 --> 00:17:31,791 on what we wanted to do, who we wanted to be. 333 00:17:33,961 --> 00:17:36,054 I remember being in a subway 334 00:17:36,130 --> 00:17:38,890 going with Paul back to queens. 335 00:17:39,041 --> 00:17:40,224 And I remember him saying, 336 00:17:40,301 --> 00:17:42,705 "Stanley Eisen, that's not cool." 337 00:17:42,729 --> 00:17:45,304 I hated my name. 338 00:17:45,456 --> 00:17:48,140 And I told my parents when I was six years old 339 00:17:48,293 --> 00:17:51,977 that I hated my name and that I was gonna change it. 340 00:17:52,130 --> 00:17:55,406 I really couldn't see, "the hottest band in the land 341 00:17:55,558 --> 00:18:00,411 featuring Stanley Eisen and Chaim Witz." 342 00:18:00,488 --> 00:18:03,915 I remember him saying, "I'm gonna be Paul Stanley." 343 00:18:03,991 --> 00:18:05,452 Paul Stanley. That's interesting. 344 00:18:05,476 --> 00:18:07,752 And I remember turning around and saying, 345 00:18:07,829 --> 00:18:10,237 "and I'm gonna be Gene Simmons," just like that. 346 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,146 So Gene and I wrote all these new songs. 347 00:18:16,170 --> 00:18:19,075 And now we needed a band. 348 00:18:19,099 --> 00:18:22,266 And I remember Paul and I saw an ad in "Rolling Stone," 349 00:18:22,418 --> 00:18:26,512 and I made the phone call on a pay phone. 350 00:18:26,664 --> 00:18:28,233 "Hi, how you doing? I'm Gene Simmons, 351 00:18:28,257 --> 00:18:30,441 and I'm looking for Peter Criscuola." 352 00:18:32,595 --> 00:18:34,998 Peter Criss played in a lot of local bands 353 00:18:35,022 --> 00:18:37,448 in New York City 354 00:18:37,525 --> 00:18:40,526 playing in the village, playing every club he could, 355 00:18:40,678 --> 00:18:43,696 really, really worked hard to make it. 356 00:18:43,848 --> 00:18:45,935 And I think he was ready to throw in the towel 357 00:18:45,959 --> 00:18:48,459 if he didn't make it with Paul and Gene. 358 00:18:48,536 --> 00:18:51,462 I got this crazy call from the bass player Gene. 359 00:18:51,539 --> 00:18:53,183 He goes, "are you skinny?" I said, "yeah." 360 00:18:53,207 --> 00:18:54,852 He goes, "you have long hair?" I said, "yeah." 361 00:18:54,876 --> 00:18:56,003 "Would you like to wear makeup? 362 00:18:56,027 --> 00:18:57,147 "Would you do anything? 363 00:18:57,211 --> 00:18:58,614 Would you wear a dress on stage?" 364 00:18:58,638 --> 00:18:59,931 And I said, "yeah, I'd do anything to make it." 365 00:18:59,955 --> 00:19:03,141 And he goes, "well, come on down." 366 00:19:04,793 --> 00:19:08,457 We initially thought maybe we'll do a power trio, 367 00:19:08,481 --> 00:19:11,315 big chords, big riffs. 368 00:19:11,467 --> 00:19:12,628 It was good enough for the who. 369 00:19:12,652 --> 00:19:14,538 It was good enough for Hendrix. 370 00:19:14,562 --> 00:19:16,039 And Peter had that whiskey voice, 371 00:19:16,063 --> 00:19:18,656 so we can do a three-part Harmony as well. 372 00:19:18,733 --> 00:19:20,491 So we rehearsed as a trio. 373 00:19:20,643 --> 00:19:24,381 But it didn't feel yet like the full sound. 374 00:19:24,405 --> 00:19:27,050 We need a lead guitarist. 375 00:19:27,074 --> 00:19:28,666 I put an ad in "the village voice, 376 00:19:28,743 --> 00:19:31,836 "lead guitarist wanted with flash and balls." 377 00:19:31,913 --> 00:19:35,392 But "the village voice" wouldn't let us say "balls." 378 00:19:35,416 --> 00:19:38,417 So it became "flash and ability." 379 00:19:38,569 --> 00:19:41,253 And we had everybody come down. 380 00:19:41,406 --> 00:19:44,067 And towards the end of auditions this kid 381 00:19:44,091 --> 00:19:46,069 when he walked in kind of sauntered in, 382 00:19:46,093 --> 00:19:48,594 not very steady on his feet, one orange sneaker, 383 00:19:48,746 --> 00:19:52,523 one red sneaker, and he plugged in. 384 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,692 The first song they played for me was "deuce." 385 00:19:54,843 --> 00:19:56,672 You know, they just said we're gonna play this song. 386 00:19:56,696 --> 00:19:59,842 It's in the key of a, tuned down a half step, of course, 387 00:19:59,866 --> 00:20:03,201 and I just jammed and played every riff I knew. 388 00:20:05,279 --> 00:20:07,872 The kid started playing, and I knew right then 389 00:20:07,949 --> 00:20:10,374 and there that we had it... 390 00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:14,378 Not because we were great, 391 00:20:14,455 --> 00:20:17,215 but there was something sonically happening. 392 00:20:17,366 --> 00:20:18,716 The four of us got together, 393 00:20:18,867 --> 00:20:22,127 and there was something going on that was undeniable. 394 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,798 The sum greater than its parts. This is the band. 395 00:20:25,950 --> 00:20:28,559 ♪ Get up and get your grandma outta here ♪ 396 00:20:28,636 --> 00:20:29,930 I guess it's like love. 397 00:20:29,954 --> 00:20:31,994 When you feel it, it's instantaneous, 398 00:20:32,123 --> 00:20:33,639 and you know when it's real. 399 00:20:33,791 --> 00:20:36,620 He started playing, and I don't know what I can say. 400 00:20:36,644 --> 00:20:38,569 We fell in love. It was like... 401 00:20:38,721 --> 00:20:41,814 ♪ Baby, do the things he says to do ♪ 402 00:20:41,966 --> 00:20:43,741 When you think about that guy, 403 00:20:43,818 --> 00:20:44,858 that's Rock 'n' Roll 404 00:20:44,969 --> 00:20:46,393 guitar playing, 405 00:20:46,471 --> 00:20:49,822 almost like a rhythm and blues, Honky-Tonk guitar player. 406 00:20:49,974 --> 00:20:51,323 There's that sound, 407 00:20:51,476 --> 00:20:53,470 that thing we haven't heard up until now. 408 00:20:57,906 --> 00:21:00,627 Slow, melodic, but fast when it needs to be 409 00:21:00,651 --> 00:21:02,260 with a crescendo that builds. 410 00:21:02,411 --> 00:21:05,816 Simple and emotive and tasteful leads. 411 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,409 His solos made sense. 412 00:21:09,752 --> 00:21:11,602 And we immediately went, "do you have a band? 413 00:21:11,679 --> 00:21:12,823 "Where do you live? Do you have a job? 414 00:21:12,847 --> 00:21:14,750 What's your name?" "Call me Ace." 415 00:21:17,335 --> 00:21:18,662 After they heard me wail, 416 00:21:18,686 --> 00:21:21,331 they knew right away that I was the guy. 417 00:21:25,192 --> 00:21:26,692 Now, what are we gonna look like? 418 00:21:38,464 --> 00:21:43,301 New York, early '73, it was the glitter scene. 419 00:21:43,452 --> 00:21:48,306 This undertone, so to speak, of art and music and fashion. 420 00:21:48,457 --> 00:21:50,861 It was incredible. 421 00:21:50,885 --> 00:21:53,311 And the New York Dolls were the darlings 422 00:21:53,387 --> 00:21:55,146 of the rock scene. 423 00:21:59,652 --> 00:22:01,355 I remember going to see the New York dolls, 424 00:22:01,379 --> 00:22:02,798 and in the early stages, 425 00:22:02,822 --> 00:22:04,525 they were ahead of us by about six months. 426 00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:06,693 - And they looked great. - Fabulous. 427 00:22:06,717 --> 00:22:08,901 Big, teased hair, lipstick, 428 00:22:09,053 --> 00:22:10,736 platform boots. 429 00:22:10,888 --> 00:22:13,309 Their waists were like my wrist. 430 00:22:13,333 --> 00:22:15,202 They looked like stars. 431 00:22:15,226 --> 00:22:18,981 But when it came to them musically... 432 00:22:19,005 --> 00:22:21,650 Gene and I looked at each other and said, "we'll kill 'em." 433 00:22:25,753 --> 00:22:28,587 We tried to do the androgynous thing, 434 00:22:28,739 --> 00:22:30,384 but we weren't convincing at it. 435 00:22:30,408 --> 00:22:32,995 I'm 6'2", and at the time, I weighed 200 pounds. 436 00:22:33,019 --> 00:22:35,072 And it's not convincing 437 00:22:35,096 --> 00:22:37,521 when a big guy starts to prance around. 438 00:22:37,673 --> 00:22:40,577 The dolls looked the part. 439 00:22:40,601 --> 00:22:45,082 We looked more like linebackers in drag. 440 00:22:45,106 --> 00:22:47,439 No matter who you aspire to be, 441 00:22:47,592 --> 00:22:49,753 you're never going to be better at being them 442 00:22:49,777 --> 00:22:53,946 than they are, so you got to be the best you. 443 00:22:54,098 --> 00:22:58,078 It's so hard to verbalize how the Kiss makeup came about. 444 00:22:58,102 --> 00:22:59,763 One of us... could have been me, 445 00:22:59,787 --> 00:23:01,431 could have been anybody else... said, 446 00:23:01,455 --> 00:23:04,693 "hey, let's go to Woolworths and buy some clown makeup." 447 00:23:04,717 --> 00:23:08,364 There was no talk of what we were going to do. 448 00:23:08,388 --> 00:23:11,296 It's like when you're a kid and one of your friends says, 449 00:23:11,449 --> 00:23:15,204 "hey, let's jump into the deep end of the pool." 450 00:23:15,228 --> 00:23:19,397 Everybody just tapped into a part of who they were. 451 00:23:19,548 --> 00:23:21,732 Basically, they're kind of extensions of our, 452 00:23:21,809 --> 00:23:24,810 you know, alter egos and our personalities. 453 00:23:24,962 --> 00:23:27,238 For Paul, it was the butterfly 454 00:23:27,389 --> 00:23:30,482 out of the caterpillar, if you will. 455 00:23:30,635 --> 00:23:32,651 I can remember being in third grade 456 00:23:32,803 --> 00:23:34,912 and my teacher had me come up 457 00:23:34,989 --> 00:23:37,915 to the front of the room so she could look at my ear. 458 00:23:38,066 --> 00:23:41,752 I felt incredibly degraded. 459 00:23:41,904 --> 00:23:46,257 But really your choice in life is to use being a victim 460 00:23:46,333 --> 00:23:50,981 as an excuse or you suit up. 461 00:23:51,005 --> 00:23:53,264 The whole character that I came up with, 462 00:23:53,415 --> 00:23:56,600 great-looking, confident, brash, 463 00:23:56,752 --> 00:23:59,437 the front man might as well have been 464 00:23:59,588 --> 00:24:02,514 a wish list of things that I wasn't, 465 00:24:02,667 --> 00:24:04,995 things I became. 466 00:24:07,021 --> 00:24:10,281 I wanted to delve a little deeper 467 00:24:10,432 --> 00:24:12,261 into what I loved growing up, 468 00:24:12,285 --> 00:24:16,120 "the phantom of the opera" with Mary Philbin 469 00:24:16,271 --> 00:24:18,289 as the girl who unmasks him. 470 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:19,640 I'll never forget as a kid 471 00:24:19,684 --> 00:24:21,419 it frightened the hell out of me. 472 00:24:21,443 --> 00:24:23,939 The shadows hit the phantom's face. 473 00:24:23,963 --> 00:24:27,834 And I remember starting to draw that face, 474 00:24:27,858 --> 00:24:31,947 the imprint of the shadow on the eyes. 475 00:24:31,971 --> 00:24:36,215 And that was the beginning of the demon. 476 00:24:36,367 --> 00:24:38,809 I may be the voice of Kiss, 477 00:24:38,886 --> 00:24:42,291 but Gene has always been the face of the Kiss. 478 00:24:42,315 --> 00:24:45,149 It's just, man, he hit a home run. 479 00:24:48,062 --> 00:24:51,563 Ace's makeup, his jagged design, 480 00:24:51,716 --> 00:24:54,992 for him symbolized being a spaceman. 481 00:24:55,069 --> 00:24:56,713 Ace has always been spAcey and stuff, 482 00:24:56,737 --> 00:24:58,307 and he would verbalize it. 483 00:24:58,331 --> 00:24:59,533 "I can't even stand up straight, 484 00:24:59,557 --> 00:25:02,500 and I can't... My equilibrium." 485 00:25:02,651 --> 00:25:05,911 Peter felt like a cat or felt like he had nine lives. 486 00:25:06,063 --> 00:25:07,390 Peter just shrugged his shoulders, 487 00:25:07,414 --> 00:25:09,507 "I like cats." 488 00:25:09,658 --> 00:25:12,988 And he put on the cat just like that. 489 00:25:13,012 --> 00:25:16,421 But it all worked beautifully together. 490 00:25:16,574 --> 00:25:18,327 That was the start. 491 00:25:18,351 --> 00:25:22,331 We were stage-ready to go out there and take on the world. 492 00:25:22,355 --> 00:25:26,098 Then it was, "okay, what are we gonna call ourselves?" 493 00:25:26,250 --> 00:25:28,170 And I knew... 494 00:25:28,194 --> 00:25:31,086 Be it a Kiss of death, a passionate Kiss... 495 00:25:32,923 --> 00:25:35,440 It just made so much sense. 496 00:25:35,593 --> 00:25:39,778 You know, I took a deep breath and said, "what about Kiss?" 497 00:25:39,930 --> 00:25:41,997 Ladies and gentlemen, Kiss! 498 00:25:48,697 --> 00:25:51,123 You originally put whiteface on 499 00:25:51,275 --> 00:25:54,771 and had a round circle like Pete the dog. 500 00:25:54,795 --> 00:25:56,128 Petey, Petey the dog. 501 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,556 On "the little rascals," young... "Little rascals." 502 00:25:58,707 --> 00:26:00,869 And it may have been Ace who said, 503 00:26:00,893 --> 00:26:02,596 "you're the rock star. You want to be a rock star. 504 00:26:02,620 --> 00:26:05,729 Why don't you put two stars on your eyes?" 505 00:26:05,806 --> 00:26:07,434 And how did you wind up with one? 506 00:26:07,458 --> 00:26:11,235 I think it's because my face is asymmetric or was 507 00:26:11,386 --> 00:26:12,736 because of my ears 508 00:26:12,888 --> 00:26:16,815 that I think I fell into, you know, something asymmetric. 509 00:26:16,967 --> 00:26:19,651 I remember seeing Gene's hair on top of his head 510 00:26:19,804 --> 00:26:21,390 and thinking, "that's so cool." 511 00:26:21,414 --> 00:26:23,747 I almost was going to take all my hair. 512 00:26:23,824 --> 00:26:25,118 - Oh, really? - Yeah. 513 00:26:25,142 --> 00:26:27,585 And pull it up to the top of my head. 514 00:26:27,661 --> 00:26:32,998 But there was a physical aspect that I didn't want to reveal. 515 00:26:35,986 --> 00:26:37,595 One, two, three, four. 516 00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:52,662 We started doing gigs, 517 00:26:52,686 --> 00:26:54,590 but we were never part of the New York scene. 518 00:26:54,614 --> 00:26:58,949 ♪ I know a thing or two about her ♪ 519 00:26:59,026 --> 00:27:01,430 We were outcasts to the outcasts. 520 00:27:01,454 --> 00:27:04,696 ♪ I know she only made you cry ♪ 521 00:27:04,849 --> 00:27:06,529 Unlike other New York bands that would play 522 00:27:06,608 --> 00:27:09,846 Max's Kansas City and the Mercer art center, 523 00:27:09,870 --> 00:27:11,440 Kiss were playing at a hole in the wall 524 00:27:11,464 --> 00:27:13,705 in queens called Coventry or they were playing 525 00:27:13,858 --> 00:27:16,133 in Amityville, New York, at the Daisy. 526 00:27:16,284 --> 00:27:18,614 These places were 45 minutes away, 527 00:27:18,638 --> 00:27:20,804 but they were almost lifetimes away 528 00:27:20,956 --> 00:27:22,433 in the sense of the New York scene. 529 00:27:22,457 --> 00:27:24,383 ♪ Everybody says she's looking good ♪ 530 00:27:24,535 --> 00:27:27,122 I never wanted to be the best band in New York. 531 00:27:27,146 --> 00:27:30,648 I wanted to be the best band in the world. 532 00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:33,651 Everything we did we did ourselves. 533 00:27:33,802 --> 00:27:35,464 You know, we had to create ourselves, 534 00:27:35,488 --> 00:27:36,820 design our own logos, 535 00:27:36,972 --> 00:27:38,708 literally make our own clothes. 536 00:27:38,732 --> 00:27:42,971 We took a black t-shirt, put glue in the Kiss logo, 537 00:27:42,995 --> 00:27:45,329 and then poured glitter on it. 538 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,477 Do whatever it is you got to do to set yourself apart, 539 00:27:48,501 --> 00:27:51,335 just figure out yourself what makes you special. 540 00:27:51,486 --> 00:27:55,984 We created Kiss out of nowhere out of our imagination. 541 00:27:56,008 --> 00:27:57,416 Those first shows, 542 00:27:57,568 --> 00:27:59,821 I think there were probably five people, 543 00:27:59,845 --> 00:28:02,587 and they were at the bar. 544 00:28:02,740 --> 00:28:06,425 But we got in full makeup, went up there. 545 00:28:06,577 --> 00:28:09,019 When we first walked out, "all right, here they are. 546 00:28:09,096 --> 00:28:10,595 Nobody cares." 547 00:28:10,748 --> 00:28:13,524 And then within two or three songs, everybody goes nuts. 548 00:28:16,420 --> 00:28:18,770 We played like it was Madison square garden, 549 00:28:18,923 --> 00:28:22,441 and the audiences grew. 550 00:28:22,593 --> 00:28:25,944 I remember being on that little small stage 551 00:28:26,096 --> 00:28:30,927 and looking across and seeing rock stars. 552 00:28:34,046 --> 00:28:39,032 The look, the song, all we needed was a demo. 553 00:28:44,448 --> 00:28:46,724 Gene and I had done a lot of sessions 554 00:28:46,875 --> 00:28:48,392 at Electric Lady Studios. 555 00:28:48,543 --> 00:28:50,802 We would sing backups on anything 556 00:28:50,955 --> 00:28:53,731 where they needed extra singers, and we would get paid. 557 00:28:53,882 --> 00:28:57,212 So we said, "instead of paying us, 558 00:28:57,236 --> 00:28:59,311 "give us studio time. 559 00:28:59,463 --> 00:29:01,624 And you have to get Eddie Kramer." 560 00:29:03,150 --> 00:29:06,555 For his credits at the time, you couldn't get higher. 561 00:29:06,579 --> 00:29:09,821 Hendrix, the Beatles, zeppelin. 562 00:29:09,974 --> 00:29:12,916 Eddie was lofty. 563 00:29:13,068 --> 00:29:16,306 This would be monumental, a game changer for us. 564 00:29:18,165 --> 00:29:21,069 I said, does everybody want to boogie? 565 00:29:21,093 --> 00:29:22,742 Whoo! All right. 566 00:29:24,263 --> 00:29:26,241 Eddie Kramer came to see us live, 567 00:29:26,265 --> 00:29:27,484 and he got it right away. 568 00:29:27,508 --> 00:29:30,267 It was insane, 569 00:29:30,418 --> 00:29:33,678 kabuki theater stuff, 4-, 5-, 6-inch boots, 570 00:29:33,831 --> 00:29:35,751 and just the energy. 571 00:29:35,775 --> 00:29:39,518 It was just such a magical transformation 572 00:29:39,670 --> 00:29:41,945 of the boys into those persona. 573 00:29:43,949 --> 00:29:46,191 So I said, "I'll do it. 574 00:29:46,343 --> 00:29:50,529 But we got to do it the old-fashioned way, four-track." 575 00:29:50,681 --> 00:29:55,793 ♪ Livin' as you do, and I'm watching you, oh-oh ♪ 576 00:29:55,944 --> 00:29:59,630 In Studio B right here we recorded "Black Diamond," 577 00:29:59,706 --> 00:30:01,873 "Watching You," "She," 578 00:30:02,026 --> 00:30:03,853 "Strutter," "Deuce." 579 00:30:06,955 --> 00:30:10,808 Those first demos, I put them on today, 580 00:30:10,959 --> 00:30:15,198 still sounds good, because it's honest. 581 00:30:15,222 --> 00:30:17,700 There's a purity and a naivete about it. 582 00:30:19,301 --> 00:30:23,153 The passion was undeniable. 583 00:30:23,305 --> 00:30:24,374 ♪ What to do ♪ 584 00:30:28,977 --> 00:30:33,497 Eddie Kramer just let us be authentically us. 585 00:30:33,648 --> 00:30:36,812 Those demos, that was done in one day. 586 00:30:36,836 --> 00:30:38,054 ♪ Watching us ♪ 587 00:30:39,654 --> 00:30:41,004 ♪ Whoo ♪ 588 00:30:41,156 --> 00:30:44,675 When we listen back to it in totality, five or six songs, 589 00:30:44,826 --> 00:30:46,418 gee, this sounds like a band. 590 00:30:46,570 --> 00:30:50,330 That's what we went shopping for a deal with. 591 00:30:56,838 --> 00:31:00,335 Whenever we would play, we would send invitations out 592 00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:04,247 to all the managers, booking agents, whoever. 593 00:31:04,271 --> 00:31:07,750 And at one of those shows, somebody had come from 594 00:31:07,774 --> 00:31:11,109 rock steady, somebody named bill Aucoin. 595 00:31:12,930 --> 00:31:15,372 He was a television producer. 596 00:31:15,449 --> 00:31:18,876 And he had no background as a manager, 597 00:31:19,027 --> 00:31:21,356 but he just seemed to get us. 598 00:31:21,380 --> 00:31:22,932 - I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll get you a deal 599 00:31:22,956 --> 00:31:26,361 within two weeks, or we'll just call it quits. 600 00:31:26,385 --> 00:31:28,385 So we signed. 601 00:31:28,536 --> 00:31:31,129 And right away, this guy Neil Bogart shows up 602 00:31:31,281 --> 00:31:35,225 debuting a new record label called Casablanca Records. 603 00:31:35,377 --> 00:31:37,394 Casablanca record and Filmworks. 604 00:31:37,545 --> 00:31:40,397 And we would be the first act on Casablanca. 605 00:31:40,548 --> 00:31:41,877 Music is gonna be fabulous. 606 00:31:41,901 --> 00:31:43,786 Entertainment's gonna be spectacular. 607 00:31:47,147 --> 00:31:52,317 Neil and bill, their vision went so far beyond ours. 608 00:31:52,469 --> 00:31:55,820 And also bill's boyfriend Sean. 609 00:31:55,973 --> 00:31:58,801 Sean Delaney was actually the guy... 610 00:31:58,825 --> 00:32:00,787 - Testing, one, two. One, two. It's working. 611 00:32:00,811 --> 00:32:03,398 Who first set up video cameras for us. 612 00:32:03,422 --> 00:32:07,332 Put your two lips together, ladies and gentlemen, Kiss! 613 00:32:07,484 --> 00:32:09,927 Kiss! Kiss! 614 00:32:10,003 --> 00:32:13,079 And so we're able to see ourselves for the first time. 615 00:32:22,608 --> 00:32:24,586 I was stunned at what I saw. 616 00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:25,995 I wasn't doing anything, 617 00:32:26,019 --> 00:32:29,666 going like this from 20 feet away looks like nothing. 618 00:32:29,690 --> 00:32:33,283 ♪ Get up and get your grandma outta here ♪ 619 00:32:33,435 --> 00:32:35,321 That was a wake-up call. 620 00:32:35,345 --> 00:32:39,008 I realized the stage is prime real estate, 621 00:32:39,032 --> 00:32:41,792 and you've got to use up as much of it as possible, 622 00:32:41,943 --> 00:32:44,847 legs apart, arms open. 623 00:32:44,871 --> 00:32:48,334 Everything has to be seen from 300 feet away. 624 00:32:50,194 --> 00:32:52,113 We were in rehearsal one day. 625 00:32:52,137 --> 00:32:55,024 And I think just by chance we did this, 626 00:32:55,048 --> 00:32:56,785 and when we finished the song, Sean said, 627 00:32:56,809 --> 00:32:58,861 "wait a minute. 628 00:32:58,885 --> 00:33:02,624 Do that move where you rock back and forth." 629 00:33:04,966 --> 00:33:07,150 And the reaction, I have to say, was like, 630 00:33:07,302 --> 00:33:09,038 "well, we're not the temptations." 631 00:33:09,062 --> 00:33:11,132 I don't want to be Paul revere and the raiders, 632 00:33:11,156 --> 00:33:13,898 you know, all of us jumping around together. 633 00:33:14,051 --> 00:33:15,695 He goes, "don't worry about that. 634 00:33:15,719 --> 00:33:17,828 "You're in Kiss. 635 00:33:17,904 --> 00:33:20,163 You can do anything." 636 00:33:20,315 --> 00:33:23,144 And sure enough, we're still doing it today. 637 00:33:28,065 --> 00:33:31,341 Neil Bogart with our manager bill Aucoin, they said, 638 00:33:31,493 --> 00:33:33,655 "if you're going to be a live band, let's put together 639 00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:37,756 the biggest, loudest statement 640 00:33:37,908 --> 00:33:40,662 of any band ever." 641 00:33:40,686 --> 00:33:42,980 The only way you're gonna get attention from the masses 642 00:33:43,004 --> 00:33:46,431 is by doing things much, much bigger. 643 00:33:46,583 --> 00:33:48,578 It was Neil Bogart who had the idea, 644 00:33:48,602 --> 00:33:51,862 "I want the drum riser to levitate." 645 00:33:52,013 --> 00:33:53,916 They went up maybe 6 feet. 646 00:33:55,683 --> 00:33:58,368 But nobody had ever done that. 647 00:33:58,445 --> 00:34:00,423 We went up to bill's office one day, 648 00:34:00,447 --> 00:34:02,851 and there was somebody else in the room. 649 00:34:02,875 --> 00:34:04,761 Could have been amazo the magician. 650 00:34:04,785 --> 00:34:07,118 We said, "who's this guy?" 651 00:34:07,271 --> 00:34:08,953 Bill Aucoin said, "you guys are doing 652 00:34:09,106 --> 00:34:11,548 "a song called 'firehouse.' 653 00:34:11,699 --> 00:34:13,194 one of you guys has to spit fire." 654 00:34:13,218 --> 00:34:14,771 "Who wants to try?" 655 00:34:16,463 --> 00:34:19,130 Literally the very first show we did, 656 00:34:19,283 --> 00:34:22,801 my hair went up like a matchstick. 657 00:34:22,953 --> 00:34:25,874 And the fans loved it. 658 00:34:25,898 --> 00:34:28,565 Bill was also the guy who came up with the idea, 659 00:34:28,716 --> 00:34:31,068 "you guys are never gonna be seen without makeup." 660 00:34:31,219 --> 00:34:33,812 He said to us, "Marilyn Monroe, 661 00:34:33,964 --> 00:34:35,050 "she never took a photo 662 00:34:35,074 --> 00:34:37,886 "where she looked frumpy without her makeup. 663 00:34:37,910 --> 00:34:39,128 "Whenever you saw her, 664 00:34:39,152 --> 00:34:42,223 "she was Marilyn Monroe 24 hours a day. 665 00:34:42,247 --> 00:34:44,392 That's what you guys should be doing." 666 00:34:44,416 --> 00:34:45,824 So we did. 667 00:34:45,976 --> 00:34:50,807 Our first album came out early February 1974. 668 00:34:50,831 --> 00:34:53,924 The first album was all those great songs 669 00:34:54,075 --> 00:34:56,404 that we had been playing at Coventry. 670 00:34:56,428 --> 00:34:58,336 It's crazy when you think about it. 671 00:34:58,488 --> 00:35:00,300 There was nothing out there like us. 672 00:35:00,324 --> 00:35:04,601 - It had to work. We were unstoppable. 673 00:35:04,752 --> 00:35:06,603 They went out on the road 674 00:35:06,754 --> 00:35:11,274 and just kicked ass for pretty much two years. 675 00:35:11,351 --> 00:35:14,664 Bondage gear, blood spurting, 676 00:35:14,688 --> 00:35:18,448 overkill kabuki makeup. 677 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,670 Gene's tongue getting closer to Ace and Ace 678 00:35:20,694 --> 00:35:24,121 sort of recoiling back but not too far back. 679 00:35:24,272 --> 00:35:27,268 Billowing smoke, shooting rockets across the stage. 680 00:35:27,292 --> 00:35:29,868 Kiss was about to be... 681 00:35:30,020 --> 00:35:34,038 Rock 'n' Roll! 682 00:35:34,191 --> 00:35:36,778 The most dangerous and feared band in America. 683 00:35:46,036 --> 00:35:48,197 Please welcome one of the most unusual bands, Kiss! 684 00:35:48,221 --> 00:35:50,889 Hey, world. We're Kiss. 685 00:35:51,041 --> 00:35:53,294 We want everybody here to come along with us, 686 00:35:53,318 --> 00:35:55,318 'cause you've got nothing to lose. 687 00:35:55,395 --> 00:35:56,631 Two, three, four. 688 00:35:56,655 --> 00:35:59,467 Those first two or three tours, 689 00:35:59,491 --> 00:36:01,908 it was us against the world. 690 00:36:03,236 --> 00:36:08,050 200 shows the first year in a station wagon, 691 00:36:08,074 --> 00:36:09,886 doubling up on rooms, 692 00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:14,056 making a glorious $75 a week. 693 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,058 But it was a magical time. 694 00:36:16,082 --> 00:36:18,842 ♪ Before I had a baby ♪ 695 00:36:18,993 --> 00:36:22,824 ♪ I didn't care anyway ♪ 696 00:36:22,848 --> 00:36:25,994 ♪ I thought about the back door ♪ 697 00:36:26,018 --> 00:36:30,020 ♪ I didn't know what to say yeah yeah ♪ 698 00:36:30,096 --> 00:36:32,355 When we went out on our first tour, 699 00:36:32,507 --> 00:36:34,169 our parents drove us to the airport 700 00:36:34,193 --> 00:36:36,412 like we were going to summer camp, 701 00:36:36,436 --> 00:36:38,862 and we were going to a... A whorehouse. 702 00:36:39,013 --> 00:36:40,939 ♪ You got nothin' nothin' to lose ♪ 703 00:36:41,091 --> 00:36:44,012 - Chicks. And wake up with girls 704 00:36:44,036 --> 00:36:46,848 whose name you'd never bothered to learn. 705 00:36:46,872 --> 00:36:48,424 Wow, this is a good job. 706 00:36:48,448 --> 00:36:50,448 ♪ Ahh yeah ♪ 707 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:55,378 What we had been singing about and fantasizing about, 708 00:36:55,455 --> 00:36:59,549 it actually existed just the way we thought it did. 709 00:36:59,626 --> 00:37:02,605 We were experiencing this together for the first time. 710 00:37:02,629 --> 00:37:07,057 ♪ You got, you got, you got nothin' to lose ♪ 711 00:37:07,208 --> 00:37:11,469 It was like all for one, one for all, like brothers. 712 00:37:11,621 --> 00:37:13,304 It was a constant party. 713 00:37:13,457 --> 00:37:15,139 And it was great. 714 00:37:15,292 --> 00:37:16,544 Sure, there was some drinking 715 00:37:16,568 --> 00:37:18,788 and sure, there was some drugs. 716 00:37:18,812 --> 00:37:21,716 But the shows were killer. 717 00:37:21,740 --> 00:37:24,719 Every single show we would get encores, 718 00:37:24,743 --> 00:37:28,056 and our road manager noticed that the headlining act... 719 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,465 I think it was argent... 720 00:37:29,489 --> 00:37:32,490 Kept pulling our power so we couldn't do encores. 721 00:37:32,642 --> 00:37:34,923 At the end of one of our sets, all of a sudden, 722 00:37:34,978 --> 00:37:37,974 "wow, we have power. Let's go back out again." 723 00:37:37,998 --> 00:37:40,309 Then we heard that our road manager 724 00:37:40,333 --> 00:37:43,426 had pulled one of these bowie knives on the tour manager 725 00:37:43,578 --> 00:37:47,338 and locked him in one of their road cases. 726 00:37:50,844 --> 00:37:53,603 We went across America, wound up on the west coast, 727 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,606 and literally ran out of bands to play with, 728 00:37:56,683 --> 00:37:58,235 'cause they kicked us off tours, 729 00:37:58,259 --> 00:38:00,162 'cause we kept blowing them off the stage. 730 00:38:00,186 --> 00:38:02,445 We were literally stuck there. 731 00:38:02,522 --> 00:38:04,408 We didn't have enough money to go home. 732 00:38:04,432 --> 00:38:07,428 And we had shows coming up in two weeks. 733 00:38:07,452 --> 00:38:11,173 We're staying at a motel someplace in San Francisco. 734 00:38:11,197 --> 00:38:14,032 "And we're eating beans and hot dogs out of a pot. 735 00:38:14,184 --> 00:38:15,517 How cool are we?" 736 00:38:18,463 --> 00:38:22,540 The first album, I think it sold about 60,000 copies. 737 00:38:22,692 --> 00:38:24,279 And it wasn't a big success. 738 00:38:24,303 --> 00:38:27,448 So we put out another album. 739 00:38:27,472 --> 00:38:28,858 A big San Francisco welcome 740 00:38:28,882 --> 00:38:31,032 for our special guest tonight, Kiss. 741 00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:43,631 ♪ She looked good, she looked hotter than hell ♪ 742 00:38:43,655 --> 00:38:46,709 ♪ all dressed in satins and lace ♪ 743 00:38:46,733 --> 00:38:49,159 And right around that time we had a, you know, 744 00:38:49,235 --> 00:38:52,640 a moment of sobriety with our record company president. 745 00:38:52,664 --> 00:38:55,665 ♪ She showed me her wedding band ♪ 746 00:38:55,742 --> 00:38:57,312 "You guys are costing me a fortune. 747 00:38:57,336 --> 00:38:58,743 You don't have hit singles. 748 00:38:58,895 --> 00:39:01,057 And that's okay. I'll stick with you. 749 00:39:01,081 --> 00:39:03,121 But you keep getting thrown off tours." 750 00:39:05,418 --> 00:39:06,821 "I don't know how to tell you this, 751 00:39:06,845 --> 00:39:08,823 but you need to stay on a tour. 752 00:39:08,847 --> 00:39:11,901 Could you be less good?" 753 00:39:11,925 --> 00:39:15,905 And we literally said something like, "no way." 754 00:39:15,929 --> 00:39:17,239 You can't put a tiger out there 755 00:39:17,263 --> 00:39:18,666 in front of lambs and everything, 756 00:39:18,690 --> 00:39:20,335 "do you mind just walking by that lamb 757 00:39:20,359 --> 00:39:22,078 and don't tear its throat out?" 758 00:39:22,102 --> 00:39:23,585 No, I'm a... I'm a tiger. 759 00:39:24,604 --> 00:39:25,673 It's what I do. 760 00:39:28,108 --> 00:39:31,534 When I discovered them, I was 15, just turned 16. 761 00:39:31,686 --> 00:39:33,906 And I was one of the very first Kiss fans 762 00:39:33,930 --> 00:39:35,908 that I was ever aware of, because I saw them 763 00:39:35,932 --> 00:39:37,410 in a magazine called "rock scene." 764 00:39:37,434 --> 00:39:40,521 And that was their first time in a magazine. 765 00:39:40,545 --> 00:39:42,932 This had to have been back in 1974. 766 00:39:42,956 --> 00:39:45,935 And I got to the very back of "circus... circus" magazine, 767 00:39:45,959 --> 00:39:47,770 and I saw this crazy hair and makeup, and I go, 768 00:39:47,794 --> 00:39:49,105 "what the hell is this?" 769 00:39:49,129 --> 00:39:50,628 Then after I saw them in concert, 770 00:39:50,780 --> 00:39:52,222 seeing them seals the deal. 771 00:39:53,225 --> 00:39:55,094 Kiss was my first concert. 772 00:39:55,118 --> 00:39:57,727 And my ticket said "a partial view of Kiss." 773 00:39:57,804 --> 00:39:59,707 Now, I thought they were gonna be revealing 774 00:39:59,731 --> 00:40:02,473 some deep corner of their poetic souls. 775 00:40:02,626 --> 00:40:05,735 It really meant that my seat was behind a pole 776 00:40:05,812 --> 00:40:07,237 at the side of the stage. 777 00:40:07,313 --> 00:40:10,314 Despite that, it was still the most invigorating, 778 00:40:10,467 --> 00:40:13,721 energizing, exciting two hours of Rock 'n' Roll music 779 00:40:13,745 --> 00:40:16,746 that I've seen to this day. 780 00:40:18,475 --> 00:40:20,250 I've got a question for you. 781 00:40:20,401 --> 00:40:23,639 Early on, the audience was there to see the headliner. 782 00:40:23,663 --> 00:40:25,566 But soon enough, people were showing up 783 00:40:25,590 --> 00:40:27,999 at the concerts wearing our makeup. 784 00:40:28,151 --> 00:40:30,075 Believe in Rock 'n' Roll? 785 00:40:31,763 --> 00:40:34,097 Kiss first broke in the Midwest. 786 00:40:34,174 --> 00:40:39,414 And as an Illinois lad myself, that is not surprising to me. 787 00:40:39,438 --> 00:40:43,347 The coasts may have been more drawn to T. Rex and Bowie, 788 00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:47,422 but Kiss really spoke to suburban kids like myself. 789 00:40:47,446 --> 00:40:50,947 Like, you know, you're trapped in some conservative suburb 790 00:40:51,098 --> 00:40:53,594 where the best you can hope for ever 791 00:40:53,618 --> 00:40:55,671 is to maybe get a job at the dairy queen 792 00:40:55,695 --> 00:40:57,840 and along comes Kiss. 793 00:40:57,864 --> 00:41:01,269 And I could really see why it was Cleveland... 794 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,130 - Why it was Detroit. - How you feel, Houston? 795 00:41:08,875 --> 00:41:13,114 The working-class bombast felt like it was built 796 00:41:13,138 --> 00:41:14,637 for the industrial Midwest. 797 00:41:17,476 --> 00:41:21,719 Do you feel all right? 798 00:41:21,871 --> 00:41:23,791 Kiss represented something 799 00:41:23,815 --> 00:41:26,535 more than just music. 800 00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:28,485 Kiss seemed like theater. 801 00:41:29,896 --> 00:41:32,467 Kiss seemed like fantasy. 802 00:41:32,491 --> 00:41:34,398 We had the most expensive show out there. 803 00:41:34,551 --> 00:41:37,638 Come on and clap your hands. 804 00:41:37,662 --> 00:41:39,496 And the scale kept getting bigger. 805 00:41:42,834 --> 00:41:45,502 We were selling out concerts. 806 00:41:45,653 --> 00:41:47,837 But the problem was, in those days, 807 00:41:47,914 --> 00:41:51,082 record labels didn't get any money from live concerts. 808 00:41:51,234 --> 00:41:53,488 All they got were the records. 809 00:41:53,512 --> 00:41:56,679 And so the label's losing money hand over fist. 810 00:42:00,018 --> 00:42:02,185 I seem to remember bill Aucoin saying to me, 811 00:42:02,262 --> 00:42:05,188 "you know, these guys are in a little bit of trouble." 812 00:42:06,525 --> 00:42:09,359 Neil Bogart mortgaged his house. 813 00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:12,248 And he had kids and a marriage and all that. 814 00:42:12,272 --> 00:42:15,273 The record company's really in dire straits. 815 00:42:15,425 --> 00:42:19,777 So the key factor here was bill Aucoin. 816 00:42:19,929 --> 00:42:22,591 Bill Aucoin used his American express card 817 00:42:22,615 --> 00:42:26,354 to continue to finance touring. 818 00:42:26,378 --> 00:42:29,212 He was going into great mountains of debt, 819 00:42:29,289 --> 00:42:32,193 and he was being chased by the creditors 820 00:42:32,217 --> 00:42:34,603 and was running away as quick as he could. 821 00:42:34,627 --> 00:42:38,296 We didn't have hit singles, no album sales, nothing. 822 00:42:38,448 --> 00:42:41,777 And so financially we were in a lot of trouble. 823 00:42:41,801 --> 00:42:44,727 We were all in a lot of trouble. 824 00:42:44,804 --> 00:42:46,098 We thought the problem 825 00:42:46,122 --> 00:42:48,709 was that we were not played on radio at all. 826 00:42:58,225 --> 00:42:59,387 Rock stations receive an average of 100 827 00:42:59,411 --> 00:43:00,963 singles a week. 828 00:43:00,987 --> 00:43:03,115 Well-known groups can get their stuff on. 829 00:43:03,139 --> 00:43:04,800 For the unknowns to get on, 830 00:43:04,824 --> 00:43:06,984 somebody must be willing to take a chance. 831 00:43:08,978 --> 00:43:12,589 Stereo 101, chippin' away at the rock. 832 00:43:12,740 --> 00:43:14,810 ♪ We ♪ 833 00:43:14,834 --> 00:43:16,312 Make your ears bleed and your... 834 00:43:16,336 --> 00:43:18,406 It actually started organically 835 00:43:18,430 --> 00:43:20,466 in terre Haute, Indiana. 836 00:43:20,490 --> 00:43:22,651 The radio station there wasn't playing Kiss. 837 00:43:22,675 --> 00:43:25,821 This was early 1975. 838 00:43:25,845 --> 00:43:27,323 The local radio station, 839 00:43:27,347 --> 00:43:30,585 which was just a brick enclosure outside of town 840 00:43:30,609 --> 00:43:34,663 with an antenna on top in the middle of a cow pasture... 841 00:43:34,687 --> 00:43:36,924 WVTS is now broadcasting... 842 00:43:36,948 --> 00:43:38,759 A few people got together. 843 00:43:38,783 --> 00:43:41,025 There was a guy named Starkey. 844 00:43:42,512 --> 00:43:44,098 He got in touch with the radio station. 845 00:43:44,122 --> 00:43:45,674 And he said, "listen, you got to play Kiss. 846 00:43:45,698 --> 00:43:48,699 It's my favorite band." 847 00:43:48,852 --> 00:43:50,438 "If you don't play Kiss, 848 00:43:50,462 --> 00:43:52,870 the Kiss army will surround the station." 849 00:43:53,022 --> 00:43:55,684 - VTS with Evans. Still nobody's out there. 850 00:43:55,708 --> 00:43:58,354 The radio station thought that was very funny. 851 00:43:58,378 --> 00:44:00,281 But lo and behold, when they didn't play Kiss... 852 00:44:00,305 --> 00:44:01,949 Bill Starkey is here. 853 00:44:01,973 --> 00:44:04,619 You don't believe me. I've got my army out there. 854 00:44:04,643 --> 00:44:07,455 The radio station was surrounded. 855 00:44:07,479 --> 00:44:11,292 And that's where the Kiss army was born. 856 00:44:11,316 --> 00:44:13,224 I've never seen something like this. 857 00:44:13,376 --> 00:44:15,129 I've been doing Rock 'n' Roll for 2 1/2 years, 858 00:44:15,153 --> 00:44:17,298 and I've never seen such mass participation. 859 00:44:17,322 --> 00:44:19,375 It's a volunteer army. 860 00:44:19,399 --> 00:44:22,233 What could be better than having people volunteer 861 00:44:22,385 --> 00:44:24,735 to wave the flag? 862 00:44:24,888 --> 00:44:28,831 The fans and the band fell in love with each other. 863 00:44:28,908 --> 00:44:32,554 They tattoo their bodies with our faces. 864 00:44:32,578 --> 00:44:36,225 They name their children after our songs. 865 00:44:36,249 --> 00:44:39,987 There's some kind of authentic soul connection. 866 00:44:40,011 --> 00:44:41,656 Anything else before we move on? 867 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,399 Let's play some Kiss music. 868 00:44:43,423 --> 00:44:46,832 But we still needed to write a hit. 869 00:44:52,765 --> 00:44:54,669 By our third record, 870 00:44:54,693 --> 00:44:56,671 Casablanca was in deep trouble. 871 00:44:56,695 --> 00:45:00,604 We made two albums right away the first year, neither sold. 872 00:45:00,757 --> 00:45:02,009 The third album, Neil Bogart 873 00:45:02,033 --> 00:45:05,254 decided to jump on and produce it for us. 874 00:45:05,278 --> 00:45:07,682 We were back in New York City 875 00:45:07,706 --> 00:45:11,093 and trying to cut costs where we could. 876 00:45:11,117 --> 00:45:13,187 If you look at "dressed to kill," 877 00:45:13,211 --> 00:45:16,357 the album cover, most of us didn't own suits. 878 00:45:16,381 --> 00:45:20,194 But bill Aucoin, our manager, had closets full of suits. 879 00:45:20,218 --> 00:45:24,295 So we got suits from bill, and I'm wearing my dad's shoes 880 00:45:24,447 --> 00:45:28,536 'cause all my shoes at that point had 8-inch heels. 881 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,893 And that's all I had. 882 00:45:30,970 --> 00:45:33,040 And then we met at Neil Bogart’s office 883 00:45:33,064 --> 00:45:34,950 at Casablanca Records. 884 00:45:34,974 --> 00:45:37,119 He said, "you guys know who you are and all that stuff. 885 00:45:37,143 --> 00:45:39,143 "But you haven't told us. 886 00:45:39,295 --> 00:45:41,812 "Politicians have a political platform. 887 00:45:41,965 --> 00:45:44,315 "Hamburgers can have 'have it your way.' 888 00:45:44,467 --> 00:45:46,628 "we don't know what you stand for. 889 00:45:46,652 --> 00:45:48,964 You guys should write an anthem." 890 00:45:48,988 --> 00:45:50,466 And I had never heard that word before. 891 00:45:50,490 --> 00:45:51,951 And I didn't know what it meant. 892 00:45:51,975 --> 00:45:53,728 And said, "what do you mean by an anthem?" 893 00:45:53,752 --> 00:45:56,753 And he said, "well, sly and the family stone have 894 00:45:56,904 --> 00:46:00,642 "'I want to take you higher' or 'Dance to the music, ' 895 00:46:00,666 --> 00:46:03,904 songs their audience identify with." 896 00:46:03,928 --> 00:46:06,170 Where the words tell people 897 00:46:06,322 --> 00:46:08,242 what you believe in and who you are. 898 00:46:08,266 --> 00:46:11,768 And it was really perceptive, the idea of having 899 00:46:11,919 --> 00:46:14,604 a rallying cry, a rallying song. 900 00:46:14,755 --> 00:46:17,084 And we went, "oh, that's kind of cool." 901 00:46:21,929 --> 00:46:23,999 So Paul and I, we started strumming guitar. 902 00:46:24,023 --> 00:46:25,426 "How about this? How about that?" 903 00:46:25,450 --> 00:46:28,618 I had a song called "drive me wild" 904 00:46:28,694 --> 00:46:34,698 about a girl as a car, but it didn't have a chorus. 905 00:46:34,851 --> 00:46:37,772 And then Paul said, "why not like a party song?" 906 00:46:37,796 --> 00:46:40,129 ♪ The party's just begun, we'll let you in ♪ 907 00:46:40,281 --> 00:46:43,185 I wanted to be a preacher of Rock 'n' Roll 908 00:46:43,209 --> 00:46:47,356 and sing about the glory of this incredible music 909 00:46:47,380 --> 00:46:50,359 that celebrated life. 910 00:46:50,383 --> 00:46:52,344 But how do you put this into a nutshell? 911 00:46:52,368 --> 00:46:54,811 How do you... How concise can this be? 912 00:46:54,962 --> 00:46:56,457 And I picked up the guitar and went... 913 00:46:56,481 --> 00:47:00,316 ♪ I wanna rock and roll all night ♪ 914 00:47:00,467 --> 00:47:02,485 ♪ and party every day ♪ 915 00:47:02,562 --> 00:47:04,562 ♪ I wanna rock and roll ♪ 916 00:47:04,714 --> 00:47:07,468 So that it was emphatic, and went right back to it. 917 00:47:07,492 --> 00:47:10,045 And when you stuck those two bits together... 918 00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:11,902 It was magic. 919 00:47:12,055 --> 00:47:17,386 ♪ I wanna rock and roll all night ♪ 920 00:47:17,410 --> 00:47:19,480 ♪ and party every day ♪ 921 00:47:19,504 --> 00:47:21,337 It's just one of those songs. 922 00:47:21,414 --> 00:47:23,392 It's like "happy birthday." 923 00:47:23,416 --> 00:47:25,007 Basically says it all in the title. 924 00:47:25,084 --> 00:47:27,729 And it's one way of looking at the world, which is, 925 00:47:27,753 --> 00:47:30,193 "I want to Rock 'n' Roll all night and party every day." 926 00:47:30,331 --> 00:47:31,641 There are some other problems in the world 927 00:47:31,665 --> 00:47:32,901 that maybe we need to deal with, 928 00:47:32,925 --> 00:47:34,736 but that's for other bands. 929 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,907 I just wanna rock and roll all night and party every... 930 00:47:38,931 --> 00:47:40,931 I've been there. It's fun. 931 00:47:41,084 --> 00:47:45,862 ♪ I wanna rock and roll all night ♪ 932 00:47:46,013 --> 00:47:48,509 ♪ and party every day ♪ 933 00:47:48,533 --> 00:47:50,441 We thought it was gonna be a big hit single, 934 00:47:50,593 --> 00:47:53,514 but it became what's called a turntable hit. 935 00:47:53,538 --> 00:47:55,020 It got played a lot. 936 00:47:56,708 --> 00:47:58,791 But it didn't sell through. 937 00:48:00,527 --> 00:48:02,545 "Dressed To Kill" bombed. 938 00:48:04,457 --> 00:48:09,218 Neil had to resort to going to certain people with vowels 939 00:48:09,370 --> 00:48:11,773 at the end of their last names... 940 00:48:11,797 --> 00:48:13,275 Let's not go farther than that... 941 00:48:13,299 --> 00:48:15,536 To borrow money. 942 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,279 He was calling in favors, you know, 943 00:48:17,303 --> 00:48:18,688 "we'll make good on this payment. 944 00:48:18,712 --> 00:48:20,857 But if you could give me a few more months." 945 00:48:20,881 --> 00:48:24,475 At that point I think it was a pretty precarious situation. 946 00:48:24,627 --> 00:48:28,145 Casablanca, they were really down to the last dollar. 947 00:48:30,891 --> 00:48:33,295 We hadn't broken through with records. 948 00:48:33,319 --> 00:48:37,154 We had three studio albums that just didn't sell. 949 00:48:37,306 --> 00:48:38,489 They didn't go gold. 950 00:48:38,641 --> 00:48:41,325 And so the record company just went, 951 00:48:41,477 --> 00:48:43,994 "well, you know, we don't want to do another studio record. 952 00:48:44,147 --> 00:48:45,399 "It's gonna be too expensive. 953 00:48:45,423 --> 00:48:47,126 Let's just put out a live record." 954 00:48:55,266 --> 00:48:58,008 The first three studio albums really never captured 955 00:48:58,161 --> 00:49:01,771 the essence of what the band was live. 956 00:49:01,847 --> 00:49:04,993 So we went back to Eddie Kramer. 957 00:49:05,017 --> 00:49:07,351 He was the right person to do it. 958 00:49:07,503 --> 00:49:10,688 So I'm sitting in my office, and I get a phone call. 959 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,334 "Hey, Eddie, it's Neil Bogart. 960 00:49:12,358 --> 00:49:15,262 Do you want to do a Kiss album live?" 961 00:49:18,364 --> 00:49:21,457 The enormity of the sound, you know, the fans 962 00:49:21,608 --> 00:49:25,628 the pa, the smoke, the bombs, the blood coming from Gene. 963 00:49:25,779 --> 00:49:30,967 I mean, it's a total immersion in Kiss. 964 00:49:31,043 --> 00:49:35,546 Trying to capture that madness on tape, 965 00:49:35,698 --> 00:49:39,954 this is a big challenge. 966 00:49:39,978 --> 00:49:42,364 "Alive!" was the big gamble. 967 00:49:42,388 --> 00:49:44,366 If it didn't hit with the seismic force 968 00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:48,203 that Kiss needed and bill Aucoin and Casablanca needed, 969 00:49:48,227 --> 00:49:50,508 I think the whole thing would have went belly up. 970 00:49:58,387 --> 00:50:00,587 We want Kiss! We want Kiss! We want Kiss! 971 00:50:00,647 --> 00:50:02,740 We want Kiss! We want Kiss! 972 00:50:02,892 --> 00:50:06,669 You wanted the best, and you got it. 973 00:50:06,746 --> 00:50:09,580 The hottest band in the land, Kiss! 974 00:50:20,910 --> 00:50:23,019 "Kiss alive!" When you listen to those songs, 975 00:50:23,095 --> 00:50:26,000 they weren't reinventing Rock 'n' Roll. 976 00:50:26,024 --> 00:50:29,003 They were just doing their ballistic version of it, 977 00:50:29,027 --> 00:50:32,528 huge and live and Kiss. 978 00:50:32,605 --> 00:50:37,252 ♪ Get up and get your grandma outta here ♪ 979 00:50:37,276 --> 00:50:39,755 Nobody would listen to that and go, 980 00:50:39,779 --> 00:50:41,998 "gee, I went to a Kiss concert. That's not what it was like." 981 00:50:42,022 --> 00:50:44,426 ♪ Old Jim is workin' hard this year ♪ 982 00:50:44,450 --> 00:50:46,709 It is exactly what it was like. 983 00:50:46,786 --> 00:50:48,210 ♪ Baby ♪ 984 00:50:48,362 --> 00:50:50,379 But initially, when we bring the tapes 985 00:50:50,531 --> 00:50:54,050 back to Electric Lady, Gene and Paul said, 986 00:50:54,126 --> 00:50:56,605 "nah, we got to make it sound bigger." 987 00:50:56,629 --> 00:51:00,130 We wanted to put you in the center of the audience. 988 00:51:00,283 --> 00:51:02,299 We took every tape machine that we could find 989 00:51:02,451 --> 00:51:05,561 in the building and ran 100-foot loops of tape. 990 00:51:05,712 --> 00:51:10,399 And we had high screams, low screams, 991 00:51:10,476 --> 00:51:12,810 clapping, all these different things to just... 992 00:51:22,154 --> 00:51:25,392 We wanted you to hear the chaos going around. 993 00:51:25,416 --> 00:51:30,230 But when you set off bombs, microphones collapse. 994 00:51:30,254 --> 00:51:33,497 So we replaced them with prerecorded Cannon. 995 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,258 Let me just say this, 996 00:51:36,410 --> 00:51:39,631 there is some contention in the ranks 997 00:51:39,655 --> 00:51:41,408 as to how much overdubbing was done. 998 00:51:42,992 --> 00:51:44,912 - Were there mistakes? Sure. 999 00:51:44,936 --> 00:51:46,822 Do you want to hear a mistake 1000 00:51:46,846 --> 00:51:48,916 every time you listen to a song? 1001 00:51:48,940 --> 00:51:53,183 No. So wherever play needed to be redone, 1002 00:51:53,336 --> 00:51:54,663 we replayed. 1003 00:51:54,687 --> 00:51:57,187 I can assure you, in my memory banks, 1004 00:51:57,340 --> 00:52:00,116 it was a shitload of stuff we had to do. 1005 00:52:00,267 --> 00:52:02,118 But it sounds great. 1006 00:52:02,194 --> 00:52:05,766 That album is considered one of the greatest live albums 1007 00:52:05,790 --> 00:52:08,457 not because it's exactly what happened 1008 00:52:08,609 --> 00:52:14,204 but because it captures what a Kiss concert was and is. 1009 00:52:25,217 --> 00:52:27,643 So we finished the album; We liked it. 1010 00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:30,312 And Neil Bogart calls me and says, "hey, Gene. 1011 00:52:30,389 --> 00:52:31,850 "I've been talking to your manager. 1012 00:52:31,874 --> 00:52:33,943 "He's not sending me the master tapes. 1013 00:52:33,967 --> 00:52:36,152 I need that to put the record up." 1014 00:52:36,228 --> 00:52:40,489 And I said, "you owe us radio royalties. 1015 00:52:40,566 --> 00:52:43,362 Send the check, and we'll send the tapes." 1016 00:52:43,386 --> 00:52:44,880 And I'll never forget this, 1017 00:52:44,904 --> 00:52:47,329 Neil Bogart, who I thought was my friend 1018 00:52:47,481 --> 00:52:49,701 and was always a big supporter and everything, 1019 00:52:49,725 --> 00:52:52,576 but I think was scared to death, because he allegedly 1020 00:52:52,728 --> 00:52:54,373 and purportedly borrowed money 1021 00:52:54,397 --> 00:52:57,317 from the wrong kinds of people. 1022 00:52:57,341 --> 00:52:59,917 Well, Neil Bogart says, "listen, asshole, 1023 00:53:00,069 --> 00:53:02,344 "you don't know who you're dealing with. 1024 00:53:02,421 --> 00:53:04,922 "You're gonna send me those tapes 1025 00:53:05,074 --> 00:53:06,902 or I'm gonna break your legs." 1026 00:53:06,926 --> 00:53:08,662 The rock album of the year, 1027 00:53:08,686 --> 00:53:11,929 "Kiss alive!" On Casablanca records and tape. 1028 00:53:13,249 --> 00:53:14,598 We still didn't send the album 1029 00:53:14,750 --> 00:53:16,692 till he sent us the money. 1030 00:53:16,843 --> 00:53:20,749 "Kiss alive!" Came out and took off like a bloody rocket. 1031 00:53:20,773 --> 00:53:22,813 ♪ Wanna rock and roll all night ♪ 1032 00:53:22,925 --> 00:53:25,846 "Rock and roll all nite" live version went top ten. 1033 00:53:25,870 --> 00:53:27,277 It was a hit. 1034 00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:29,872 The studio version, you know, it sounded okay. 1035 00:53:30,023 --> 00:53:31,593 But when you hear the live version 1036 00:53:31,617 --> 00:53:33,929 and the audience just chanting with them, come on... 1037 00:53:33,953 --> 00:53:37,379 ♪ I wanna rock and roll all night ♪ 1038 00:53:37,531 --> 00:53:39,548 ♪ and party every day ♪ 1039 00:53:39,625 --> 00:53:42,604 You can't replace that. 1040 00:53:42,628 --> 00:53:46,129 That thing saved the company's ass. 1041 00:53:46,282 --> 00:53:50,559 Less than two years ago, Kiss came to Detroit. 1042 00:53:50,636 --> 00:53:53,562 And now they've sold a million records. 1043 00:53:53,714 --> 00:53:56,877 "Kiss alive!" Sells a million records right away. 1044 00:53:56,901 --> 00:53:59,568 We couldn't have done this without Detroit! 1045 00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:02,646 We were the second platinum album in history. 1046 00:54:02,798 --> 00:54:04,276 The first one was the eagles, 1047 00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:07,818 and within an hour, "Kiss alive!" 1048 00:54:07,970 --> 00:54:10,153 We really love you! 1049 00:54:10,306 --> 00:54:12,990 That was the beginning. 1050 00:54:13,142 --> 00:54:14,286 What is most important to you, 1051 00:54:14,310 --> 00:54:15,993 the spectacle or the music? 1052 00:54:16,145 --> 00:54:18,047 - The audience. - The audience? 1053 00:54:18,071 --> 00:54:19,975 How do you want your ideal audience to feel 1054 00:54:19,999 --> 00:54:21,423 when you're finished with them? 1055 00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:22,500 Exhausted. 1056 00:54:24,503 --> 00:54:28,931 The connection between the fans and the band comes 1057 00:54:29,008 --> 00:54:32,009 from a sense of reciprocity. 1058 00:54:32,161 --> 00:54:35,657 We give back what we are given, and that snowballs. 1059 00:54:35,681 --> 00:54:37,940 You know, we've said it before. 1060 00:54:38,091 --> 00:54:39,753 And we're gonna say it again. 1061 00:54:39,777 --> 00:54:42,836 You people are number one! 1062 00:54:46,025 --> 00:54:47,190 We were having a great time. 1063 00:54:47,343 --> 00:54:49,504 We were really digging being famous. 1064 00:54:49,528 --> 00:54:51,431 And it did happen quick for Kiss. 1065 00:54:51,455 --> 00:54:53,492 We got together, I believe, '71, '72, 1066 00:54:53,516 --> 00:54:57,178 and in '76 we were styling. 1067 00:55:02,300 --> 00:55:04,945 I think each one of us was really digging 1068 00:55:04,969 --> 00:55:07,636 the limos and the dressing up 1069 00:55:07,713 --> 00:55:09,341 with the best in clothes we could buy now. 1070 00:55:09,365 --> 00:55:11,118 We thought we were the shit, really. 1071 00:55:11,142 --> 00:55:12,953 "Hide your daughters, Kiss is in town." 1072 00:55:12,977 --> 00:55:16,812 A lot of people have come up that want to taste the tongue. 1073 00:55:16,889 --> 00:55:18,489 Hobnobbing with all the other rock stars. 1074 00:55:18,557 --> 00:55:21,870 It was very cool. It was a very cool time. 1075 00:55:21,894 --> 00:55:24,653 But I wanted that high all the time. 1076 00:55:24,730 --> 00:55:25,988 When we'd leave the stage, 1077 00:55:26,139 --> 00:55:27,709 I had to bring it back to my room. 1078 00:55:27,733 --> 00:55:30,067 So I partied, and I just kept taking it with me, 1079 00:55:30,219 --> 00:55:31,327 and that's dangerous. 1080 00:55:31,403 --> 00:55:33,198 You can't... you got to know when to leave it 1081 00:55:33,222 --> 00:55:34,533 and when to have it. 1082 00:55:34,557 --> 00:55:36,239 The things that I sang about, 1083 00:55:36,392 --> 00:55:40,836 everything I envisioned became real. 1084 00:55:40,913 --> 00:55:45,841 The kid who had to chase girls wound up being chased. 1085 00:55:45,992 --> 00:55:49,920 And the kid who was not popular became very popular. 1086 00:55:56,929 --> 00:55:58,573 - But when "Kiss alive!" Came out 1087 00:55:58,597 --> 00:56:03,244 and became a big hit, bill, in his wisdom, said, 1088 00:56:03,268 --> 00:56:06,695 "you might have this huge success now. 1089 00:56:06,847 --> 00:56:09,918 "But you need a great studio album, 1090 00:56:09,942 --> 00:56:13,088 not like the last few." 1091 00:56:13,112 --> 00:56:14,945 And in short order he said, 1092 00:56:15,097 --> 00:56:17,057 "and there's a guy named Bob Ezrin. 1093 00:56:17,099 --> 00:56:19,282 He should be producing you." 1094 00:56:19,435 --> 00:56:23,212 He'd worked with Alice Cooper. It was a big deal. 1095 00:56:23,363 --> 00:56:24,454 I was pretty successful. 1096 00:56:24,607 --> 00:56:26,647 I'd had a couple of really big records. 1097 00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:29,051 And I was pretty full of myself. 1098 00:56:29,202 --> 00:56:31,553 I thought I had the answers to everything. 1099 00:56:31,705 --> 00:56:34,890 And that made me perfectly suited to working with Kiss. 1100 00:56:34,967 --> 00:56:38,227 Bob really took us to another level. 1101 00:56:40,305 --> 00:56:42,898 I learned a lot from Bob. 1102 00:56:42,975 --> 00:56:47,047 He opened my eyes to sonically what was possible 1103 00:56:47,071 --> 00:56:49,107 with other instruments, 1104 00:56:49,131 --> 00:56:52,649 like with piano replicating what a guitar was playing 1105 00:56:52,801 --> 00:56:54,243 to give it more depth. 1106 00:56:58,732 --> 00:57:03,085 We were venturing into new areas for Kiss. 1107 00:57:03,162 --> 00:57:04,472 To me, their characters, 1108 00:57:04,496 --> 00:57:06,141 they were like big-screen characters, 1109 00:57:06,165 --> 00:57:07,809 and I wanted to treat them like that 1110 00:57:07,833 --> 00:57:10,000 in the music that we made. 1111 00:57:10,152 --> 00:57:13,095 So the stories we told were more dramatic, 1112 00:57:13,172 --> 00:57:18,412 and they were about people other than just themselves. 1113 00:57:18,436 --> 00:57:22,104 "Detroit rock city," that was like a mini symphony. 1114 00:57:22,255 --> 00:57:24,084 It's like a piece of rock theater. 1115 00:57:24,108 --> 00:57:27,350 ♪ I feel uptight on a Saturday night ♪ 1116 00:57:27,503 --> 00:57:30,279 He had so many creative ideas. 1117 00:57:30,355 --> 00:57:34,858 He was a big influence musically, lyrically. 1118 00:57:35,010 --> 00:57:37,861 He'd say, "I don't like that part, but I like that part." 1119 00:57:38,013 --> 00:57:41,364 "Okay, that's the verse; Who's got the chorus?" 1120 00:57:41,517 --> 00:57:44,534 ♪ you gotta lose your mind in Detroit rock city ♪ 1121 00:57:44,687 --> 00:57:46,128 ♪ get up ♪ 1122 00:57:46,205 --> 00:57:47,849 "And here's what the solo's going to be." 1123 00:57:47,873 --> 00:57:48,873 ♪ Ba-da-da-da ♪ 1124 00:57:52,711 --> 00:57:55,971 Every note of that solo was Bob Ezrin. 1125 00:57:56,048 --> 00:57:58,307 He told Ace what to play. 1126 00:57:58,383 --> 00:58:00,476 "Here's the Harmony part." 1127 00:58:00,627 --> 00:58:02,552 And it was great. 1128 00:58:02,705 --> 00:58:03,865 That was not a very Rock 'n' Roll approach. 1129 00:58:03,889 --> 00:58:05,769 And to Ace's credit... I mean, 1130 00:58:05,874 --> 00:58:08,317 he was the most Rock 'n' Roll guy of the group... 1131 00:58:08,393 --> 00:58:12,136 It just didn't sit right with him. 1132 00:58:20,498 --> 00:58:23,718 The "Destroyer" sessions were tough. 1133 00:58:23,742 --> 00:58:25,812 There was a lot of structure, 1134 00:58:25,836 --> 00:58:27,463 more structure than they were used to. 1135 00:58:27,487 --> 00:58:28,837 And yes, I wore a whistle. 1136 00:58:28,989 --> 00:58:32,227 And yes, I used to blow it to get their attention, 1137 00:58:32,251 --> 00:58:34,229 because we didn't have time to mess around. 1138 00:58:34,253 --> 00:58:36,845 We had to move. 1139 00:58:36,922 --> 00:58:40,902 Paul and I liked the "go back to rock school." 1140 00:58:40,926 --> 00:58:43,426 The other guys hated it. 1141 00:58:43,579 --> 00:58:47,742 And so we started to see some difficulties. 1142 00:58:47,766 --> 00:58:51,246 People ask if I was aware of the tensions within the band. 1143 00:58:52,938 --> 00:58:54,733 That's like saying, "well, when you were walking through 1144 00:58:54,757 --> 00:58:57,177 "the train wreckage, 1145 00:58:57,201 --> 00:58:59,701 did you notice that there was an accident?" 1146 00:59:02,689 --> 00:59:05,760 Bob kind of ran the show like a dictator. 1147 00:59:05,784 --> 00:59:07,854 And we weren't used to that, none of us were. 1148 00:59:07,878 --> 00:59:10,712 You know, we all have big egos. 1149 00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:12,100 That's when you started to see 1150 00:59:12,124 --> 00:59:16,863 the first big problems go down with Ace. 1151 00:59:16,887 --> 00:59:19,221 Ace was struggling a little bit. 1152 00:59:19,372 --> 00:59:22,224 You know, he partied a lot. He was late coming in. 1153 00:59:22,375 --> 00:59:24,871 Sometimes he just didn't show up on a session 1154 00:59:24,895 --> 00:59:27,137 where we were supposed to be doing lead guitar. 1155 00:59:27,289 --> 00:59:28,471 I'm on the phone with Ace, 1156 00:59:28,624 --> 00:59:29,951 "you got to come down and play a solo. 1157 00:59:29,975 --> 00:59:31,619 "You weren't here for the tracks and everything. 1158 00:59:31,643 --> 00:59:33,863 You got to come down." "Hey, I... I can't come down." 1159 00:59:33,887 --> 00:59:36,216 "Why not?" "I got a card game." 1160 00:59:37,816 --> 00:59:40,295 So we got another guitar player to come in 1161 00:59:40,319 --> 00:59:43,486 and play the parts, which were great. 1162 00:59:43,639 --> 00:59:46,968 I think he started feeling alienated and ganged up on. 1163 00:59:46,992 --> 00:59:49,084 And the truth is, he was. 1164 00:59:49,161 --> 00:59:52,065 I've never been high or drunk in my life, just haven't. 1165 00:59:52,089 --> 00:59:53,308 Just never appealed to me. 1166 00:59:53,332 --> 00:59:57,904 So I never emotionally understood it. 1167 00:59:57,928 --> 01:00:02,483 Really he was just being what he was supposed to be. 1168 01:00:02,507 --> 01:00:05,601 He was supposed to be a rock star. 1169 01:00:05,677 --> 01:00:07,655 And he was being a rock star. 1170 01:00:09,273 --> 01:00:14,610 And look, in New York in 1976 cocaine was everywhere. 1171 01:00:14,686 --> 01:00:18,592 Your dentist had it. Your lawyer it. 1172 01:00:18,616 --> 01:00:21,450 Every rock star for sure had access to it 1173 01:00:21,601 --> 01:00:23,285 whether they took it or not. 1174 01:00:23,362 --> 01:00:26,529 So yes, I had cocaine. 1175 01:00:26,682 --> 01:00:29,102 And yes, I recall doing it together 1176 01:00:29,126 --> 01:00:31,293 with some of the members of the band. 1177 01:00:31,370 --> 01:00:34,608 I was doing coke trying to keep up with Ezrin, 1178 01:00:34,632 --> 01:00:35,832 which was an impossibility. 1179 01:00:35,874 --> 01:00:38,467 But I think, personally, that album, 1180 01:00:38,543 --> 01:00:41,448 Ezrin did everything perfect for it. 1181 01:00:41,472 --> 01:00:45,952 I have to say that any drug use to me is excessive. 1182 01:00:45,976 --> 01:00:48,696 But Bob was a functioning addict. 1183 01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:52,481 He managed to do what needed to get done and do it brilliantly. 1184 01:00:52,557 --> 01:00:57,297 He was... he was at the top of his game. 1185 01:00:57,321 --> 01:00:59,207 "Destroyer" was far beyond anything 1186 01:00:59,231 --> 01:01:02,377 we could have come up with on our own. 1187 01:01:02,401 --> 01:01:07,382 Perfect proof of that is "Beth." 1188 01:01:07,406 --> 01:01:11,144 I think it was bill Aucoin who told me it was important 1189 01:01:11,168 --> 01:01:13,813 that there be one Peter Criss song on every album. 1190 01:01:13,837 --> 01:01:19,007 It was just the political reality of the band. 1191 01:01:19,159 --> 01:01:21,729 And one day Peter was riding in the car with me, 1192 01:01:21,753 --> 01:01:24,658 and he starts humming, "Beck," b-e-c-k. 1193 01:01:24,682 --> 01:01:27,402 Like, "oh, it's a song called 'Beck.'" 1194 01:01:27,426 --> 01:01:29,663 I sung it to Gene one day, and he liked it. 1195 01:01:29,687 --> 01:01:31,480 And then when Ezrin got it, he said, 1196 01:01:31,504 --> 01:01:33,833 "well, we can't sing about Jeff Beck. 1197 01:01:33,857 --> 01:01:36,503 We got to do something about it. How about Beth?" 1198 01:01:36,527 --> 01:01:38,026 And I asked if it would be okay 1199 01:01:38,103 --> 01:01:41,007 if I took it home and worked on it for a little bit. 1200 01:01:41,031 --> 01:01:42,734 And I know... And it was very different 1201 01:01:42,758 --> 01:01:44,402 from anything they had done before. 1202 01:01:44,426 --> 01:01:49,924 But I was convinced that that song would touch everybody. 1203 01:01:49,948 --> 01:01:51,017 KSN in San Francisco. 1204 01:01:51,041 --> 01:01:52,427 Right now, I want to play you a cut. 1205 01:01:52,451 --> 01:01:55,355 Disc jockeys started playing "Beth." 1206 01:01:55,379 --> 01:01:57,212 It became massive. 1207 01:01:57,289 --> 01:02:00,123 "Destroyer" propelled us to new heights of popularity. 1208 01:02:00,275 --> 01:02:02,270 I mean, "Beth won" a people's choice. 1209 01:02:02,294 --> 01:02:07,556 - And the winner is... Congratulations, "Beth." 1210 01:02:10,802 --> 01:02:12,728 That we won the award for "Beth" 1211 01:02:12,879 --> 01:02:15,546 for the best single in 1976. 1212 01:02:18,569 --> 01:02:20,271 - Anything goes. We love you. 1213 01:02:20,295 --> 01:02:22,462 Rock and roll! Thank you. 1214 01:02:28,487 --> 01:02:33,301 By '76, when "Destroyer" and "Beth" became big hits, 1215 01:02:33,325 --> 01:02:35,803 our lifestyle drastically changed. 1216 01:02:35,827 --> 01:02:37,972 Kiss, a world-renowned rock group 1217 01:02:37,996 --> 01:02:39,236 that exploded out of nowhere. 1218 01:02:39,314 --> 01:02:40,589 All of a sudden, 1219 01:02:40,740 --> 01:02:42,810 we were one of the biggest bands in the world. 1220 01:02:42,834 --> 01:02:44,904 Kiss is said to be sharing the popularity 1221 01:02:44,928 --> 01:02:46,573 the Beatles enjoyed. 1222 01:02:46,597 --> 01:02:49,484 When I first realized how big we were going to be... 1223 01:02:49,508 --> 01:02:51,077 A new breed of Rock 'n' Roll. 1224 01:02:51,101 --> 01:02:54,322 And that it was now out of all of our hands... 1225 01:02:54,346 --> 01:02:55,270 - Kiss. - Kiss. 1226 01:02:55,347 --> 01:02:56,491 - Kiss. - Kiss. 1227 01:02:56,515 --> 01:02:58,515 It was frightening. 1228 01:02:58,667 --> 01:03:02,519 I liken it to being pulled up on the roller coaster. 1229 01:03:02,671 --> 01:03:04,983 The chain is underneath, and it's pulling you up, 1230 01:03:05,007 --> 01:03:08,002 and you know that when you get to the top... 1231 01:03:08,026 --> 01:03:10,930 The view from up there, breathtaking. 1232 01:03:10,954 --> 01:03:13,079 That's when the ride begins. 1233 01:03:15,017 --> 01:03:17,200 That's what it felt like... 1234 01:03:17,352 --> 01:03:18,846 Death-defying. 1235 01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:21,296 Like all hell was gonna break loose. 1236 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,481 ♪ Well the night's begun, and you want some fun ♪ 1237 01:03:39,632 --> 01:03:41,202 ♪ do you think we're gonna find it? ♪ 1238 01:03:41,226 --> 01:03:42,796 ♪ Think you're gonna find it ♪ 1239 01:03:42,820 --> 01:03:48,898 From the time our first record came out February 1974, 1240 01:03:49,051 --> 01:03:50,878 within a year and a half, 1241 01:03:50,902 --> 01:03:53,381 we were headlining Anaheim stadium, 1242 01:03:53,405 --> 01:03:56,331 43,000-seater sold out. 1243 01:03:56,482 --> 01:03:59,167 Seems to be the rock group Kiss. 1244 01:03:59,319 --> 01:04:01,911 Kiss inspires incredible passion. 1245 01:04:02,064 --> 01:04:03,708 But why Kiss? 1246 01:04:03,732 --> 01:04:05,173 'Cause that's what's in now. 1247 01:04:05,325 --> 01:04:09,678 ♪ Shout it, shout it, shout it out loud ♪ 1248 01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:11,254 It's the Beatles in the '60s. 1249 01:04:11,406 --> 01:04:12,906 It's Kiss in the '70s. 1250 01:04:14,593 --> 01:04:17,997 There is a reason for the extraordinary success of Kiss. 1251 01:04:18,021 --> 01:04:19,999 It has something to do with their music. 1252 01:04:20,023 --> 01:04:21,334 But it has more to do 1253 01:04:21,358 --> 01:04:23,394 with the way they are hyped and packaged. 1254 01:04:23,418 --> 01:04:25,602 That's the genius thing 1255 01:04:25,754 --> 01:04:27,362 about the band, the characters. 1256 01:04:27,513 --> 01:04:31,608 The makeup seemed to sort of invent these personalities 1257 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,513 for each of them. 1258 01:04:33,537 --> 01:04:35,370 And offstage, 1259 01:04:35,521 --> 01:04:38,707 they were as mysterious as they were on stage. 1260 01:04:38,783 --> 01:04:40,783 Any Kiss fan can tell you you don't ever really 1261 01:04:40,936 --> 01:04:43,712 see these faces. It's all part of the mystique. 1262 01:04:43,788 --> 01:04:45,191 Are you Gene? 1263 01:04:45,215 --> 01:04:46,934 Getting a picture of Kiss without the makeup 1264 01:04:46,958 --> 01:04:49,384 was like getting a picture of Bigfoot. 1265 01:04:49,461 --> 01:04:50,771 You're not Gene Simmons, are you? 1266 01:04:50,795 --> 01:04:52,940 - No, I'm the bodyguard. - Oh, my god. 1267 01:04:52,964 --> 01:04:54,797 We guarded our secret. 1268 01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:58,112 And there was a $25,000 reward on our heads. 1269 01:04:58,136 --> 01:05:00,061 "People" magazine got this shot of Paul 1270 01:05:00,213 --> 01:05:03,451 and actually got the film away from Paul’s bodyguard. 1271 01:05:03,475 --> 01:05:04,452 What, if somebody gets a picture, 1272 01:05:04,476 --> 01:05:05,734 you take the camera away? 1273 01:05:05,885 --> 01:05:07,288 - Yeah. - It's really that important. 1274 01:05:07,312 --> 01:05:08,570 Is that part of the mystique? 1275 01:05:08,647 --> 01:05:09,905 Yeah, mystique. 1276 01:05:10,056 --> 01:05:11,459 Their fantasies and the characters 1277 01:05:11,483 --> 01:05:13,794 that we're portraying, they always must be character. 1278 01:05:13,818 --> 01:05:17,579 This idea, "you'll only exist in makeup." 1279 01:05:17,656 --> 01:05:19,080 As disappointing as it was 1280 01:05:19,157 --> 01:05:21,583 that we weren't gonna be recognized on the street... 1281 01:05:21,660 --> 01:05:23,060 So what is it like for you walking 1282 01:05:23,145 --> 01:05:25,420 down the street with no makeup? 1283 01:05:25,497 --> 01:05:26,588 It worked. 1284 01:05:26,739 --> 01:05:29,090 I really don't look that different. 1285 01:05:29,242 --> 01:05:31,202 You know, I'm not quite this pale. 1286 01:05:34,990 --> 01:05:36,839 We became so famous, so big, 1287 01:05:36,992 --> 01:05:40,510 so fast, you know, it was just complete insanity. 1288 01:05:40,662 --> 01:05:42,771 All right, New York! 1289 01:05:42,922 --> 01:05:45,515 I remember we sold out Madison square garden 1290 01:05:45,667 --> 01:05:48,109 for three nights. 1291 01:05:48,186 --> 01:05:49,778 ♪ I really love ya baby ♪ 1292 01:05:49,929 --> 01:05:53,615 Then we sold out five nights at the Budokan in Tokyo. 1293 01:05:53,766 --> 01:05:55,670 ♪ Let's get together baby ♪ 1294 01:05:55,694 --> 01:05:57,619 The Beatles had one day less. 1295 01:05:57,770 --> 01:05:59,766 We broke the Beatles' record. 1296 01:05:59,790 --> 01:06:02,457 Not past the Beatles, 'cause I love the Beatles. 1297 01:06:02,534 --> 01:06:04,345 They're my favorite band. 1298 01:06:04,369 --> 01:06:08,371 But we are a band. We do cause insanity. 1299 01:06:10,133 --> 01:06:12,445 I haven't seen that since the Beatles. 1300 01:06:12,469 --> 01:06:15,545 ♪ Love Gun ♪ 1301 01:06:15,697 --> 01:06:19,527 Ironically, no matter how successful we became, 1302 01:06:19,551 --> 01:06:21,551 part of the appeal of the band 1303 01:06:21,703 --> 01:06:25,146 was in being a member of a black sheep society, 1304 01:06:25,298 --> 01:06:28,725 no matter how big it was, because there was still 1305 01:06:28,877 --> 01:06:33,040 a lot of people and critics who didn't like us. 1306 01:06:33,064 --> 01:06:37,826 The Beatles, the animals, rock group of the 1960s 1307 01:06:37,977 --> 01:06:40,017 whose boyish looks and innovative music 1308 01:06:40,071 --> 01:06:43,498 made young hearts pound and older Generations cringe. 1309 01:06:43,649 --> 01:06:45,667 It's the late 1970s now, though, 1310 01:06:45,818 --> 01:06:47,335 when teenage musical taste 1311 01:06:47,412 --> 01:06:50,149 have gone from boyish to the bizarre. 1312 01:06:52,676 --> 01:06:54,676 Kiss isn't music; They're theatrics. 1313 01:06:54,753 --> 01:06:57,345 They're a whole bunch of things. 1314 01:06:57,497 --> 01:06:58,847 Kiss always had 1315 01:06:58,998 --> 01:07:00,809 an adversarial relationship with rock critics. 1316 01:07:00,833 --> 01:07:02,759 Some critics say, "they don't make music. 1317 01:07:02,911 --> 01:07:04,722 They just make noise." 1318 01:07:04,746 --> 01:07:06,390 But Kiss was never a critics' band. 1319 01:07:06,414 --> 01:07:08,576 It always was a people's bad. 1320 01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:10,266 They self-identified as a band 1321 01:07:10,418 --> 01:07:12,488 that would go over and above for the fans. 1322 01:07:12,512 --> 01:07:14,415 Critics have blasted the group for engaging 1323 01:07:14,439 --> 01:07:16,606 in nuclear-level prepubescent hype. 1324 01:07:16,758 --> 01:07:19,367 Kiss is going to have its own comic book soon 1325 01:07:19,519 --> 01:07:21,611 printed in real Kiss blood. 1326 01:07:21,763 --> 01:07:23,112 Isn't that wonderful? 1327 01:07:23,265 --> 01:07:24,947 Real classy act, guys. 1328 01:07:25,100 --> 01:07:29,210 T-shirts and books. T-shirts. 1329 01:07:29,287 --> 01:07:34,215 I've heard, I've read, "oh, those marketing geniuses." 1330 01:07:34,292 --> 01:07:36,626 When we first started, we were four idiots 1331 01:07:36,778 --> 01:07:38,272 off the streets of New York 1332 01:07:38,296 --> 01:07:40,722 who didn't have a clue. 1333 01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:43,224 Bill Aucoin was far ahead of us. 1334 01:07:43,301 --> 01:07:47,448 It was his vision to merchandise the band. 1335 01:07:47,472 --> 01:07:49,230 All the sheer excitement of Kiss 1336 01:07:49,307 --> 01:07:52,975 is yours to capture with the Kiss radio. 1337 01:07:53,128 --> 01:07:57,383 I remember the Kiss radio. 1338 01:07:57,407 --> 01:07:58,481 Yep, that's it. 1339 01:07:58,633 --> 01:08:00,553 That's a Kiss radio right up there. 1340 01:08:00,577 --> 01:08:02,797 So when I was a kid, I was like, "oh, my god. 1341 01:08:02,821 --> 01:08:07,082 "I want a Kiss radio so bad. 1342 01:08:07,233 --> 01:08:08,561 Like, I need the Kiss radio!" 1343 01:08:08,585 --> 01:08:10,752 Get your Kiss radio. 1344 01:08:10,903 --> 01:08:16,257 So like a dumbass, I order it COD without telling my mom. 1345 01:08:16,334 --> 01:08:18,979 They charge you on delivery. The guy comes to the door. 1346 01:08:19,003 --> 01:08:20,631 And I'm like, "it's my Kiss radio." 1347 01:08:20,655 --> 01:08:22,149 And he's like, "this is a COD." 1348 01:08:22,173 --> 01:08:25,912 My mom's like, "I didn't order a Kiss radio." 1349 01:08:25,936 --> 01:08:28,603 So I never got it. That one, someone gave that to me. 1350 01:08:30,332 --> 01:08:31,809 But come on, when it comes to, like, 1351 01:08:31,833 --> 01:08:33,274 branding and merchandising... 1352 01:08:33,351 --> 01:08:35,110 Kiss! 1353 01:08:35,186 --> 01:08:37,498 Nobody can out-merch Kiss. 1354 01:08:37,522 --> 01:08:38,947 This is Kiss. 1355 01:08:39,098 --> 01:08:41,449 Put them in any crazy pose you want. 1356 01:08:41,526 --> 01:08:42,951 Kiss your face. 1357 01:08:43,102 --> 01:08:44,746 Introducing Kiss your face makeup. 1358 01:08:44,770 --> 01:08:46,006 Kiss your face makeup is from remco. 1359 01:08:46,030 --> 01:08:47,007 Yeah. 1360 01:08:47,031 --> 01:08:48,790 Kiss t-shirts, Kiss buttons, 1361 01:08:48,941 --> 01:08:52,293 Kiss hats, Kiss lookalikes, the young fans. 1362 01:08:52,445 --> 01:08:54,462 Our mantra and our way of thinking 1363 01:08:54,614 --> 01:08:58,277 was that you're not forcing anybody to have something. 1364 01:08:58,301 --> 01:09:01,672 You're denying them if you don't give it to them. 1365 01:09:01,696 --> 01:09:02,949 Kiss is number one. 1366 01:09:02,973 --> 01:09:04,714 It only got bigger and bigger and bigger. 1367 01:09:04,866 --> 01:09:07,308 This was I would guess about 60 or 70... 1368 01:09:07,385 --> 01:09:09,438 You want to try it on? It has Kiss on the back. 1369 01:09:09,462 --> 01:09:11,365 We made a fortune. 1370 01:09:11,389 --> 01:09:12,608 - What are we talking about? What does... 1371 01:09:12,632 --> 01:09:14,185 What does Kiss Generate a year? 1372 01:09:14,209 --> 01:09:17,226 About $117 million. 1373 01:09:17,379 --> 01:09:19,320 117 million. 1374 01:09:26,070 --> 01:09:28,329 Gene Simmons has that one crazy room in his house 1375 01:09:28,481 --> 01:09:32,408 that has, like, every Kiss product in history. 1376 01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,723 It's crazy. It's like a museum times ten. 1377 01:09:37,916 --> 01:09:40,842 We make everything from Kiss condoms to Kiss caskets. 1378 01:09:40,993 --> 01:09:43,214 Altogether now, we'll get you coming, 1379 01:09:43,238 --> 01:09:44,490 and we'll get you going. 1380 01:09:46,424 --> 01:09:49,996 We've literally had thousands of licensed products. 1381 01:09:52,189 --> 01:09:54,349 But again, with anything to do with Kiss, 1382 01:09:54,416 --> 01:09:57,336 you're talking about different personalities within the band. 1383 01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:00,247 First, when it was happening, I thought 1384 01:10:00,271 --> 01:10:02,566 "well, that's kind of a cool thing, like a lunchbox. 1385 01:10:02,590 --> 01:10:04,402 I'll carry one of those around myself." 1386 01:10:04,426 --> 01:10:05,920 I thought it was cute. 1387 01:10:05,944 --> 01:10:08,203 And then more and more cute things, 1388 01:10:08,354 --> 01:10:10,424 I called them, starting to happen, 1389 01:10:10,448 --> 01:10:12,040 and I realized that the band, 1390 01:10:12,116 --> 01:10:15,021 this kick-ass band that came from the streets of New York, 1391 01:10:15,045 --> 01:10:18,858 we lost our edge; We were becoming dolls. 1392 01:10:18,882 --> 01:10:21,194 We always had a message, Kiss, and it was totally 1393 01:10:21,218 --> 01:10:23,270 to rock and roll all night and party every day. 1394 01:10:23,294 --> 01:10:24,755 And that was going out the window, 1395 01:10:24,779 --> 01:10:25,940 and I saw it and I hated it. 1396 01:10:25,964 --> 01:10:27,924 We weren't a rock band anymore. 1397 01:10:27,949 --> 01:10:29,260 I called bill Aucoin and told him 1398 01:10:29,284 --> 01:10:31,893 that this is terrible. 1399 01:10:31,970 --> 01:10:36,231 Once money and fame and licensed products came in, 1400 01:10:36,307 --> 01:10:39,103 we started to move away from the magic 1401 01:10:39,127 --> 01:10:40,643 that was all four of us. 1402 01:10:40,795 --> 01:10:41,811 We love you! 1403 01:10:41,963 --> 01:10:47,742 That certainly was the crack widening. 1404 01:10:47,819 --> 01:10:50,245 Now mix in drugs. 1405 01:10:50,396 --> 01:10:51,871 Rock 'n' Roll! 1406 01:11:03,167 --> 01:11:06,906 1977, we're at the peak of our popularity, 1407 01:11:06,930 --> 01:11:09,822 but there was trouble in paradise. 1408 01:11:18,257 --> 01:11:23,194 No matter what anybody says, fame is a very powerful drug. 1409 01:11:26,174 --> 01:11:28,950 It can kill your creativity. 1410 01:11:29,027 --> 01:11:33,507 It can kill your desire to progress. 1411 01:11:33,531 --> 01:11:37,344 I don't think anybody goes through it unscathed. 1412 01:11:37,368 --> 01:11:40,795 All of a sudden, I wake up one day, 1413 01:11:40,946 --> 01:11:42,608 there's these people blowing smoke up wherever 1414 01:11:42,632 --> 01:11:44,110 and telling me I'm the greatest. 1415 01:11:44,134 --> 01:11:46,779 Peter Criss, drummer 1416 01:11:46,803 --> 01:11:50,621 and also singer on one just beautiful song. 1417 01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,194 There's girl's fainting when I'm singing "Beth" 1418 01:11:54,218 --> 01:11:56,644 and crying, and... 1419 01:11:56,721 --> 01:11:58,866 I didn't know how to handle it. 1420 01:11:58,890 --> 01:12:00,648 When we became really successful, 1421 01:12:00,725 --> 01:12:02,520 everybody was going their own way. 1422 01:12:02,544 --> 01:12:04,038 We lost some of that collective thought 1423 01:12:04,062 --> 01:12:06,357 that we had in the beginning and that magic. 1424 01:12:06,381 --> 01:12:08,323 It started to fade. 1425 01:12:08,474 --> 01:12:13,714 Sometimes people talk about, "oh, fame changed so and so." 1426 01:12:13,738 --> 01:12:16,164 Fame doesn't change you. 1427 01:12:16,315 --> 01:12:18,395 It allows you to be the asshole you are. 1428 01:12:22,914 --> 01:12:25,151 We both grew up with the attitude 1429 01:12:25,175 --> 01:12:29,822 that Rock 'n' Roll was an attitude. 1430 01:12:29,846 --> 01:12:34,660 The alcohol and the drug use and the dysfunctional stuff 1431 01:12:34,684 --> 01:12:36,425 started to hit the band heavy. 1432 01:12:36,578 --> 01:12:38,331 Let's just say I'm the Keith Richards 1433 01:12:38,355 --> 01:12:41,575 of Rock 'n' Roll in America. 1434 01:12:41,599 --> 01:12:42,932 As far as Ace... 1435 01:12:43,084 --> 01:12:44,912 Ace Frehley on lead guitar! 1436 01:12:44,936 --> 01:12:46,747 We couldn't rely on him anymore... 1437 01:12:48,272 --> 01:12:51,199 For anything. 1438 01:12:54,445 --> 01:12:58,114 When you're in the studio and you have to get a part done 1439 01:12:58,266 --> 01:13:01,450 before the person who's playing it passes out, 1440 01:13:01,603 --> 01:13:03,269 that's really a shame. 1441 01:13:05,623 --> 01:13:08,586 Yes, it was sad. 1442 01:13:08,610 --> 01:13:11,105 It was also a drag. 1443 01:13:11,129 --> 01:13:13,221 - What do you represent? - Destruction. 1444 01:13:13,297 --> 01:13:16,035 - Destruction? - Yeah. 1445 01:13:16,059 --> 01:13:17,778 - Yeah? - I'm a drummer. 1446 01:13:17,802 --> 01:13:20,931 If we stood in front of the drums during a concert, 1447 01:13:20,955 --> 01:13:23,376 he threw sticks at us. 1448 01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:27,235 In his mind, the entire area in front of the drums 1449 01:13:27,311 --> 01:13:30,216 was a no-fly zone. 1450 01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,126 Insane. 1451 01:13:32,150 --> 01:13:36,630 Peter was undependable, was erratic, dark cloud, 1452 01:13:36,654 --> 01:13:39,730 didn't show up at meetings, all that stuff. 1453 01:13:40,583 --> 01:13:42,750 Ace and I, we looked at it as it was a party. 1454 01:13:42,827 --> 01:13:44,788 Rock 'n' Roll was to let it all go, 1455 01:13:44,812 --> 01:13:47,163 hang out, have a great time. 1456 01:13:47,315 --> 01:13:48,959 It had nothing to do with sitting in the office 1457 01:13:48,983 --> 01:13:50,310 with a shirt and tie 1458 01:13:50,334 --> 01:13:52,427 and figuring out what beat goes where. 1459 01:13:52,503 --> 01:13:55,132 What's great about Rock 'n' Roll is performing, 1460 01:13:55,156 --> 01:13:56,800 what sucks is the traveling 1461 01:13:56,824 --> 01:13:59,825 and all the other bullshit besides performing. 1462 01:14:02,013 --> 01:14:05,418 There were two sides to Ace and Peter. 1463 01:14:05,442 --> 01:14:08,328 I'll always love Ace and Peter in the early days. 1464 01:14:10,171 --> 01:14:11,612 They had the drive. 1465 01:14:11,764 --> 01:14:13,333 "Nothing's gonna stop me. I'm gonna make it." 1466 01:14:13,357 --> 01:14:17,004 And onstage, rock stars. 1467 01:14:17,028 --> 01:14:18,764 They gave it their all. 1468 01:14:18,788 --> 01:14:23,699 But as success and money and fame started to come in, 1469 01:14:23,851 --> 01:14:25,108 they succumbed to it. 1470 01:14:28,539 --> 01:14:34,004 I have to say, in all honesty, I did too. 1471 01:14:34,028 --> 01:14:35,781 I succumbed to fame 1472 01:14:35,805 --> 01:14:39,882 but not with chemicals and alcohol but with ego. 1473 01:14:40,034 --> 01:14:41,695 What a way to make a living. 1474 01:14:41,719 --> 01:14:45,204 Grand delusions of myself. 1475 01:14:46,724 --> 01:14:52,206 Power, money, and girls. 1476 01:14:52,230 --> 01:14:53,562 My ambitions grew bigger. 1477 01:14:53,715 --> 01:14:55,968 My appetite grew more. 1478 01:14:55,992 --> 01:14:58,045 If a day went by and I didn't have companionship, 1479 01:14:58,069 --> 01:14:59,546 it was a disaster. 1480 01:14:59,570 --> 01:15:01,048 Hey, if you thought you saw another celebrity 1481 01:15:01,072 --> 01:15:03,309 in the audience tonight, you probably did. 1482 01:15:03,333 --> 01:15:04,718 Cher Bono was here. 1483 01:15:04,742 --> 01:15:07,168 I started seeing Cher at the time 1484 01:15:07,319 --> 01:15:09,482 and then her best friend Diana, 1485 01:15:09,506 --> 01:15:11,063 which that didn't last long. 1486 01:15:13,843 --> 01:15:16,563 It's easier to look at somebody who's suffering 1487 01:15:16,587 --> 01:15:18,491 from alcohol and drugs and kind of say, 1488 01:15:18,515 --> 01:15:21,090 "you got a problem, buddy." 1489 01:15:21,242 --> 01:15:25,331 Mine was more hidden, being full of myself. 1490 01:15:25,355 --> 01:15:27,596 That's what it was. 1491 01:15:27,749 --> 01:15:32,509 We were a bunch of guys hiding behind masks. 1492 01:15:33,938 --> 01:15:39,011 In my case, it was you're Superman, 1493 01:15:39,035 --> 01:15:40,513 and you're on stage, 1494 01:15:40,537 --> 01:15:43,112 and you're the envy of the people who are there. 1495 01:15:43,264 --> 01:15:45,765 But nobody knew. 1496 01:15:47,785 --> 01:15:50,211 I had this deformity, 1497 01:15:50,288 --> 01:15:52,955 born basically without a right ear. 1498 01:15:53,107 --> 01:15:56,103 Even the band had no idea. 1499 01:15:56,127 --> 01:16:00,774 Gene didn't know about my ear, because I covered it so well. 1500 01:16:00,798 --> 01:16:03,110 And I grew my hair past my shoulders, 1501 01:16:03,134 --> 01:16:05,946 how I listened to people, tilting my head. 1502 01:16:05,970 --> 01:16:09,116 It was this big secret that was at the core of my being. 1503 01:16:09,140 --> 01:16:10,472 But I tell you, 1504 01:16:10,625 --> 01:16:14,121 it's this crowd that's gonna burn this place down. 1505 01:16:14,145 --> 01:16:17,291 I was still very much the same guy that I had been 1506 01:16:17,315 --> 01:16:19,459 before the band succeeded. 1507 01:16:19,483 --> 01:16:22,296 The only difference was, now I was famous, 1508 01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:24,965 and I had this persona. 1509 01:16:24,989 --> 01:16:27,560 Is everybody ready? 1510 01:16:27,584 --> 01:16:31,085 So the stage was not only my escape, 1511 01:16:31,162 --> 01:16:33,624 but it's where I wanted to live. 1512 01:16:33,648 --> 01:16:36,591 Rock 'n' Roll! 1513 01:16:36,667 --> 01:16:39,760 Anytime I was home, I hated it. 1514 01:16:39,837 --> 01:16:42,241 I would be just counting the days 1515 01:16:42,265 --> 01:16:43,909 until we would hit the road again. 1516 01:16:43,933 --> 01:16:46,320 Rock 'n' Roll! 1517 01:16:46,344 --> 01:16:47,580 And that didn't make it 1518 01:16:47,604 --> 01:16:50,271 any easier for the guys in the band. 1519 01:16:50,422 --> 01:16:53,493 The band was pushing the limit. 1520 01:16:53,517 --> 01:16:55,017 When you're in love, you overlook 1521 01:16:55,169 --> 01:16:56,944 all the potential problems 1522 01:16:57,021 --> 01:16:59,833 and the foibles, although the signs were there. 1523 01:16:59,857 --> 01:17:02,094 You work around it. 1524 01:17:02,118 --> 01:17:05,745 But we were about to go over the cliff. 1525 01:17:24,957 --> 01:17:26,785 "Kiss Meets The Phantom," 1526 01:17:26,809 --> 01:17:29,513 that incredible piece of celluloid. 1527 01:17:35,300 --> 01:17:38,152 We had been told, "this is gonna be 'Star Wars' 1528 01:17:38,303 --> 01:17:40,321 meets 'A Hard Day's Night.'" 1529 01:17:40,472 --> 01:17:42,709 um, hardly. 1530 01:17:45,161 --> 01:17:46,530 By that time, the band literally 1531 01:17:46,554 --> 01:17:49,238 wasn't talking to each other. 1532 01:17:49,390 --> 01:17:50,884 None of us had read the script. 1533 01:17:50,908 --> 01:17:53,479 It was a disaster waiting to happen. 1534 01:17:53,503 --> 01:17:55,889 We've got to get out of here. 1535 01:17:55,913 --> 01:17:57,246 Leave it to me, Starchild. 1536 01:17:57,398 --> 01:17:59,134 I'll bend these beams with my mind. 1537 01:17:59,158 --> 01:18:02,418 Sometimes we would be on the set shooting. 1538 01:18:02,570 --> 01:18:06,013 And Ace or Peter would disappear. 1539 01:18:06,165 --> 01:18:10,904 They'd literally leave the set, and we'd have stand-ins. 1540 01:18:12,596 --> 01:18:13,740 And in some of the scenes, 1541 01:18:13,764 --> 01:18:16,576 you can see that it's not them. 1542 01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:23,531 At the end of filming, there was a meeting held backstage, 1543 01:18:23,607 --> 01:18:26,108 and Ace made the announcement 1544 01:18:26,260 --> 01:18:28,703 that he has to leave the band. 1545 01:18:28,779 --> 01:18:32,206 - "I want a solo career. I want to write my own songs. 1546 01:18:32,283 --> 01:18:33,541 I'm leaving the band." 1547 01:18:33,692 --> 01:18:35,429 On the way out, he turned to me 1548 01:18:35,453 --> 01:18:38,432 and he said, "I'm gonna sell 10 million albums." 1549 01:18:38,456 --> 01:18:41,290 I said, "Ace, you can have your solo career 1550 01:18:41,442 --> 01:18:42,586 "and you can be in the band. 1551 01:18:42,610 --> 01:18:44,196 Have your cake and eat it too." 1552 01:18:44,220 --> 01:18:48,630 The idea was maybe we could let this blow over and heal. 1553 01:18:48,783 --> 01:18:51,967 Let's all take time from each other. 1554 01:18:52,119 --> 01:18:53,728 And let's all do solo records. 1555 01:18:53,879 --> 01:18:56,116 And we'll bring 'em all out on the same day. 1556 01:18:57,883 --> 01:19:01,455 The Kiss albums, one by each of the four Kiss stars 1557 01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:03,439 on Casablanca Records and tapes. 1558 01:19:05,390 --> 01:19:10,652 We're gonna turn the microphone over to Ace Frehley. 1559 01:19:10,805 --> 01:19:13,967 ♪ Many years since I was here ♪ 1560 01:19:13,991 --> 01:19:16,492 I was really resistant to record "New York groove" 1561 01:19:16,644 --> 01:19:18,160 on my solo album. 1562 01:19:18,312 --> 01:19:22,590 It wasn't indicative of any of the other songs on my record. 1563 01:19:22,666 --> 01:19:23,832 ♪ Here I am ♪ 1564 01:19:23,985 --> 01:19:25,070 But Eddie Kramer talked me into it. 1565 01:19:25,094 --> 01:19:26,572 He goes, "Ace, this is a great song." 1566 01:19:26,596 --> 01:19:29,816 And it gave me a lot more confidence. 1567 01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,767 ♪ You'd better believe I'm back ♪ 1568 01:19:32,843 --> 01:19:34,510 ♪ back in the New York groove ♪ 1569 01:19:34,662 --> 01:19:35,989 The Beatles "White Album," 1570 01:19:36,013 --> 01:19:37,916 it's when the Harrison finally broke out 1571 01:19:37,940 --> 01:19:39,810 and Ringo finally did his thing. 1572 01:19:39,834 --> 01:19:41,587 We're doing it now. 1573 01:19:41,611 --> 01:19:42,813 One of the things that I realized 1574 01:19:42,837 --> 01:19:44,481 with the success of my solo record, 1575 01:19:44,505 --> 01:19:47,615 that I was probably more creative away from those guys. 1576 01:19:47,691 --> 01:19:48,986 They were always making me feel 1577 01:19:49,010 --> 01:19:50,487 like maybe I wasn't good enough. 1578 01:19:50,511 --> 01:19:53,028 ♪ I feel so good tonight ♪ 1579 01:19:53,180 --> 01:19:54,622 Ace's solo record, 1580 01:19:54,773 --> 01:19:57,511 those songs would have been great tracks on a Kiss record. 1581 01:19:57,535 --> 01:19:59,938 ♪ You better believe I'm back ♪ 1582 01:19:59,962 --> 01:20:02,516 A band, I believe, nine out of ten times 1583 01:20:02,540 --> 01:20:05,778 is always stronger than a solo performer. 1584 01:20:05,802 --> 01:20:07,854 But we had no choice. 1585 01:20:07,878 --> 01:20:11,547 The solo albums, they were like a little band-aid 1586 01:20:11,699 --> 01:20:13,619 to put on this gushing wound. 1587 01:20:13,643 --> 01:20:16,385 ♪ I'm back ♪ 1588 01:20:16,537 --> 01:20:19,625 Now, four, five months ago, "Newsweek" magazine called 1589 01:20:19,649 --> 01:20:22,224 disco the entertainment phenomena of the '70s. 1590 01:20:22,376 --> 01:20:24,652 - It's here to stay, isn't it? - Absolutely. 1591 01:20:24,803 --> 01:20:26,843 Discos are replacing the nightclubs. 1592 01:20:26,881 --> 01:20:28,841 They are becoming the nightclubs. 1593 01:20:30,309 --> 01:20:33,138 Casablanca Records became the preeminent 1594 01:20:33,162 --> 01:20:34,903 disco label anywhere, 1595 01:20:35,056 --> 01:20:38,165 Donna Summer, the village people, and so on. 1596 01:20:38,317 --> 01:20:40,887 Towards the end of the '70s, we had very little to do 1597 01:20:40,911 --> 01:20:42,389 with Casablanca. 1598 01:20:42,413 --> 01:20:45,172 From my recollection, they seemed more concerned 1599 01:20:45,249 --> 01:20:47,486 with when the blow was arriving. 1600 01:20:47,510 --> 01:20:48,821 - Let's dance. - Let's dance. 1601 01:20:48,845 --> 01:20:50,085 Music. 1602 01:20:52,073 --> 01:20:55,591 Kiss, it's the album you've waited two years 1603 01:20:55,743 --> 01:20:56,903 to hear, Kiss "dynasty." 1604 01:20:57,002 --> 01:21:00,020 ♪ I was made for lovin' you, baby ♪ 1605 01:21:00,172 --> 01:21:01,575 ♪ you were made ♪ 1606 01:21:01,599 --> 01:21:03,410 Dynasty is a real reflection of where music was 1607 01:21:03,434 --> 01:21:05,100 at that time. 1608 01:21:05,252 --> 01:21:08,103 Disco was the rage, and Kiss was kind of at a crossroads. 1609 01:21:08,255 --> 01:21:11,198 ♪ Can you get enough of me tonight? ♪ 1610 01:21:11,350 --> 01:21:12,941 ♪ Tonight ♪ 1611 01:21:13,094 --> 01:21:15,755 Could you explain why you changed from rock to disco? 1612 01:21:15,779 --> 01:21:18,350 I don't really think that we made any drastic change. 1613 01:21:18,374 --> 01:21:22,376 The song you're referring to as disco is really rock-disco. 1614 01:21:22,453 --> 01:21:24,189 ♪ Tonight ♪ 1615 01:21:24,213 --> 01:21:25,858 "I was made for loving you." 1616 01:21:25,882 --> 01:21:28,026 It didn't really sound like Kiss. 1617 01:21:28,050 --> 01:21:29,884 It had more of a dance feel. 1618 01:21:30,035 --> 01:21:32,219 But it was something we couldn't say no to. 1619 01:21:32,371 --> 01:21:36,724 It was a no-brainer. This was a monster hit. 1620 01:21:36,875 --> 01:21:38,353 ♪ I was made for loving you ♪ 1621 01:21:38,377 --> 01:21:41,228 The problem was that it pushed us into territory 1622 01:21:41,380 --> 01:21:42,766 that we hadn't been. 1623 01:21:42,790 --> 01:21:44,640 And this is gonna be your favorite song? 1624 01:21:44,792 --> 01:21:47,902 - Yep, the first one. "I was made for loving you." 1625 01:21:48,053 --> 01:21:50,123 "I was made for loving you." 1626 01:21:52,057 --> 01:21:53,534 All of a sudden, they went from being this 1627 01:21:53,558 --> 01:21:55,150 kind of underground 1628 01:21:55,302 --> 01:21:59,391 New York punk band to being in "sixteen" magazine 1629 01:21:59,415 --> 01:22:01,226 and "tiger beat," and all of a sudden 1630 01:22:01,250 --> 01:22:02,953 the little kids started liking them. 1631 01:22:02,977 --> 01:22:04,545 - They're just fantastic. We all love them. 1632 01:22:04,569 --> 01:22:05,713 There's no other group like them. 1633 01:22:05,737 --> 01:22:07,162 They're just the best. 1634 01:22:07,314 --> 01:22:09,831 I like Kiss, because they got a hard-driving rock beat. 1635 01:22:09,984 --> 01:22:12,812 We found ourselves trying more and more 1636 01:22:12,836 --> 01:22:15,504 to appeal to a larger group. 1637 01:22:15,656 --> 01:22:17,409 It became evident and clear 1638 01:22:17,433 --> 01:22:19,578 just by looking out into the audience. 1639 01:22:19,602 --> 01:22:22,489 You started to see five-year-old kids show up. 1640 01:22:22,513 --> 01:22:26,515 There were people certainly who saw it as selling out. 1641 01:22:26,667 --> 01:22:27,811 The only upside was that 1642 01:22:27,835 --> 01:22:32,332 there were a lot of single moms showing up. 1643 01:22:32,356 --> 01:22:34,259 It's not cool when you're 18 to go to a concert 1644 01:22:34,283 --> 01:22:36,836 and have old people and little kids there. 1645 01:22:36,860 --> 01:22:38,655 - I enjoyed it. It was exciting. 1646 01:22:38,679 --> 01:22:39,787 It was not "cool." 1647 01:22:39,863 --> 01:22:42,105 We were no longer the band we had been. 1648 01:22:46,278 --> 01:22:50,943 The look of the band reflected who we had become. 1649 01:22:50,967 --> 01:22:56,378 And that was neutered, glamorous, kind of a cross 1650 01:22:56,530 --> 01:23:01,642 between Vegas showgirls and a Disney picture. 1651 01:23:01,793 --> 01:23:04,456 That's who we were at that time. 1652 01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:09,127 We were in the midst of a tumultuous period. 1653 01:23:09,151 --> 01:23:11,819 We were lost. 1654 01:23:11,970 --> 01:23:18,734 We were keeping the band together by very thin threads. 1655 01:23:18,886 --> 01:23:21,473 Ace and Peter were going through bad behavior, 1656 01:23:21,497 --> 01:23:23,216 drugs, alcohol, and stuff. 1657 01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,390 It's like getting ready for surgery. 1658 01:23:27,336 --> 01:23:29,147 "Getting ready for surgery." 1659 01:23:29,171 --> 01:23:30,724 Historically, Ace and Peter 1660 01:23:30,748 --> 01:23:34,082 would keep their problems off to the side. 1661 01:23:34,235 --> 01:23:36,989 Okay. Time to Rock 'n' Roll. 1662 01:23:37,013 --> 01:23:40,088 By the time we did Tom Snyder's show, 1663 01:23:40,241 --> 01:23:42,758 well, it turned out horrible. 1664 01:23:42,910 --> 01:23:45,093 Now here are the remarkable members of Kiss. 1665 01:23:45,246 --> 01:23:46,981 And first of all, Mr. Gene Simmons, 1666 01:23:47,005 --> 01:23:49,059 who is the bass player, Mr. Peter Criss, 1667 01:23:49,083 --> 01:23:50,894 who is the drummer, Mr. Paul Stanley, 1668 01:23:50,918 --> 01:23:52,100 who is the guitarist, 1669 01:23:52,253 --> 01:23:53,839 and Ace Frehley, who is the lead guitarist. 1670 01:23:53,863 --> 01:23:56,363 - I'm not the lead guitarist. I'm the trap player. 1671 01:23:58,367 --> 01:24:00,587 Although it's fun to look at today and people 1672 01:24:00,611 --> 01:24:02,611 get a kick out of it, 1673 01:24:02,763 --> 01:24:05,947 really what was going on was, we had a member 1674 01:24:06,100 --> 01:24:07,340 who literally didn't show up 1675 01:24:07,434 --> 01:24:09,746 till the last minute and showed up drunk. 1676 01:24:09,770 --> 01:24:12,880 I think this outfit is self-explanatory. 1677 01:24:14,792 --> 01:24:19,197 When you see Peter laughing, it's really reveling in seeing 1678 01:24:19,221 --> 01:24:22,034 how it's affecting Gene and I. 1679 01:24:22,058 --> 01:24:24,444 It wasn't about it being funny. 1680 01:24:24,468 --> 01:24:28,948 It was about the joy in seeing us squirming. 1681 01:24:28,972 --> 01:24:32,066 When you see the audience going crazy, 1682 01:24:32,217 --> 01:24:33,453 what goes through your minds? 1683 01:24:33,477 --> 01:24:35,235 When you see all these people screaming 1684 01:24:35,312 --> 01:24:36,790 and crying and all that... 1685 01:24:36,814 --> 01:24:38,458 Screaming and crying. 1686 01:24:38,482 --> 01:24:40,402 "Why did I spend all that money?" 1687 01:24:42,803 --> 01:24:46,580 As TV, the fans loved it, because they love the drama 1688 01:24:46,731 --> 01:24:50,751 of Ace being completely drunk saying crazy stuff. 1689 01:24:50,902 --> 01:24:52,252 Ace is back in his house. 1690 01:24:52,404 --> 01:24:54,974 I mean, the thing that makes people on a highway stop 1691 01:24:54,998 --> 01:24:56,757 is a wreckage. 1692 01:24:56,908 --> 01:24:58,795 The bloodier it is and the worse it is, 1693 01:24:58,819 --> 01:25:00,313 the more people want to stop and watch. 1694 01:25:00,337 --> 01:25:02,930 SpAce bear. The only spAce bear in captivity. 1695 01:25:03,006 --> 01:25:05,432 I got him. He's captured. 1696 01:25:05,584 --> 01:25:08,435 Needless to say, I was really angry. 1697 01:25:10,088 --> 01:25:12,180 It had reached a point in the band 1698 01:25:12,333 --> 01:25:15,350 where you just kind of shrugged your shoulders 1699 01:25:15,502 --> 01:25:19,613 and hoped for the best and realized the worst. 1700 01:25:22,434 --> 01:25:24,618 Our philosophy was always, 1701 01:25:24,769 --> 01:25:26,506 whatever is going on in the band, 1702 01:25:26,530 --> 01:25:29,123 you leave it at the bottom of the stairs. 1703 01:25:29,274 --> 01:25:32,938 When you go up on stage, you're Kiss. 1704 01:25:32,962 --> 01:25:36,296 We have to put an end to this. 1705 01:25:36,448 --> 01:25:41,802 Marriages don't last; Friendships don't last. 1706 01:25:41,953 --> 01:25:44,546 But somehow bands are supposed to last forever. 130751

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