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We want Kiss!
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We want Kiss! We want Kiss!
We want Kiss!
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We want Kiss!
We want Kiss!
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We want Kiss!
We want Kiss!
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We want Kiss!
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From the beginning our bond
was the belief in the band,
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our belief in Kiss.
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The heights we've reached... wow.
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But it was a lot of hard work.
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Nothing could get in our way.
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We've always lived it big.
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All right, Vancouver!
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We rise to the gauntlet.
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We threw down on the floor
for ourselves.
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You wanted the best...
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You wanted the best!
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You got the best.
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You got the best!
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Believing in yourself
against all odds.
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The hottest band in the world...
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That's Kiss!
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Kiss!
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♪ ♪
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Whoo!
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♪ Well, the night's begun,
and you want some fun ♪
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♪ do you think
you're gonna find it? ♪
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♪ Think you're gonna find it ♪
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♪ you got to treat yourself
like number one ♪
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♪ do you need to be reminded? ♪
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♪ Need to be reminded ♪
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♪ it doesn't matter
what you do or say ♪
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♪ just forget the things
that you've been told ♪
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♪ can't do it any other way ♪
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♪ everybody's got to rock
and roll, whoa-ohh ♪
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♪ shout it, shout it,
shout it out loud ♪
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Super group Kiss
hit like a thunderbolt.
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Since 1974
Kiss has produced a gold album
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with every single album.
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Kiss is playing
to sold-out crowds everywhere.
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We gonna get this place
hotter than hell!
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It's being compared
to Beatlemania.
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- Come on!
- - They're larger-than-life
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comic strip superheroes.
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A monster, a cat, a spaceman,
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and a Harlequin lover.
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Who are these people?
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They are four of the most
recognizable faces
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on the planet,
and one of the most iconic
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and badass bands of all time.
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The Kiss sound was unapologetic,
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big, badass Rock 'n' Roll.
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Kiss blew it up
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into this nuclear combination.
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It's the lights,
explosions everywhere, fire.
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Nobody has ever done it
as big as Kiss.
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Whoo!
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We love you!
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Together legendary rockers
Kiss say
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they are about to embark
on their farewell tour.
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The end of the road tour,
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the most ambitious undertaking
of their 45-plus-year career.
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♪ All night ♪
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♪ and party every day ♪
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♪ I wanna rock and roll
all night ♪
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I'll tell you what's a little
different about this tour.
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We've never spent months
rehearsing,
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not because we don't know
the songs,
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but this is...
This is just pride.
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This is the last time people
are going to see us.
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So with that in mind,
we want to be going out
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with the greatest show
we've ever done.
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By the time we're done,
we'll be close to 50 years
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of playing tours on stage.
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Paul and I are two different
sides but of the same coin.
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I couldn't be who I am
and was without Paul.
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And I'd like to think
he thinks the same way.
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Gene and I,
we've both been through a lot.
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I think at this point Gene is
as much family to me as blood.
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Kiss has always been
the underdog.
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We were the people who weren't
supposed to succeed.
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Now we're the proof
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you can thrive
following your own instincts.
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But we didn't
get here overnight.
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I was born in Israel.
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Both my mother and my father
came from Hungary
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after world war ii.
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When I was about 6 1/2
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my father picked up
and just walked out.
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And my mother and I
came to America.
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In New York, my mother
goes to a sweat factory.
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She makes half a penny
for every button
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she sews on to a winter coat,
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clears just enough money
to pay the rent and food.
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And we survive.
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If Gene was a stranger
in a strange land,
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I was a stranger
in a strange neighborhood.
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I grew up
in a one-bedroom apartment
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in an Irish catholic area.
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We were the only Jews.
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My mom had been born in Berlin
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and had fled to escape the Nazis
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and the extermination
of 6 million of our people.
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I grew up with people around me
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with numbers on their arms.
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On top of that,
I was born with a condition
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called a microtia,
so I had no right ear.
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It was just
a crumpled mass of cartilage.
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And I couldn't hear
on my right side.
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When you don't look like
everybody else,
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the scrutiny is unrelenting.
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And for a little kid
to be stared at or pointed to
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or taunted is devastating.
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Gene and I, what we share
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is a sense of being outsiders
for different reasons.
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But we also found escape
in music.
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I came here as Chaim Witz.
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I couldn't speak
a word of English.
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I was aware I didn't fit in.
I still feel like an outsider.
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But I soon devoured
everything American.
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Rambler American
by American motors.
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New Generation of youth.
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Protect your complexion.
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And I started listening
to the radio all the time.
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I heard Chuck Berry and Jackie
Wilson and fats domino.
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I couldn't speak English.
I just loved the music.
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I had a little pocket
transistor radio,
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and I walked around with it
waiting to hear the Beatles.
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Now, at 9:30 tonight
a special Beatles segment
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like we have every Saturday,
The Beatles...
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Ladies and gentlemen,
the Beatles.
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Here were these four guys...
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They may have been aliens...
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They looked like buddies.
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I'd never seen anything like it.
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The girls were going
out of their minds.
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And I had an epiphany.
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And I thought,
"that's a pretty cool job."
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It was a revelation to me.
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I'm a little overweight kid
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named Stanley Bert Eisen.
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I'm deaf in one ear.
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But I see the Beatles,
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and I go, "I can do that."
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"I can touch that nerve."
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Why I thought that
god only knows.
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My mother bought me a copy
of a Hofner bass
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called a Kent.
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And I've never looked back.
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I knew I wanted
to make Rock 'n' Roll.
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Wow, how different is this?
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It wasn't this easy to get in.
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From the beginning,
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Gene felt more like a relative.
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I guess
that's the Electric Lady.
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I felt real fortunate
to have met him
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in spite of him driving me
crazy a lot of times.
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- We were here.
I remember being in studio a
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when Stevie was recording
"superstition."
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- This way.
- Oh, there.
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Paul and I,
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the chemistry worked,
but it didn't start that way.
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- No picks?
- There's two.
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Well, I never met anybody else
who wrote songs.
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And this guy Stephen Coronel,
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who was my school chum
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growing up, said,
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"oh, this guy Paul, you know,
he actually writes songs."
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And I actually said
something like, "oh, really?
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What do you got?"
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I picked up a guitar,
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and I played him
"Sunday driver."
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♪ Let me be
your Sunday driver ♪
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♪ let me be your Monday man ♪
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♪ I'll take you anywhere
you want ♪
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♪ just as fast as I can ♪
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That was called
"Sunday Driver."
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And that was changed
to "let me know"
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that we recorded, and I went...
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"Wow, that's a...
That's a good song."
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♪ Just gotta decide, girl,
and then you let me ♪
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♪ know oh oh oh ♪
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And then Gene played a song.
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I played... did I play
"My uncle is a raft"?
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Yes.
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You played it like this.
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♪ My uncle is a raft ♪
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♪ and he doesn't even
know it ♪
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♪ he is so good to me ♪
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♪ he treats me tenderly ♪
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♪ and it doesn't matter
who you are ♪
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- It was like...
"Ah-cha-cha-cha."
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- He didn't think much of me.
He thought I was arrogant,
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an asshole,
and he thought my song sucked.
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He was obnoxious, but look,
I'm the first to admit
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that the chances of success...
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Certainly on the level
that we've had...
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The chances of that
were slim and none.
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Meeting Gene was...
Was the key to it all.
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Gene and I started writing,
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and what we were doing
sounded good.
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It was fun.
It was interesting.
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It was what became
Wicked Lester.
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We had a five-piece band,
Stephen Coronel,
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who can play
a little lead guitar,
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a keyboard player
named Brooke Ostrander,
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and a drummer
who wasn't the best drummer.
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But he had cool long hair
and a handlebar mustache.
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He's got to be in the band.
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And we started rehearsing
in a loft
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on Mott street in Chinatown
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doing all-original material,
about half of Paul’s songs,
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half of my songs.
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At the same time,
in my neighborhood in queens
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there was a head shop,
and I was hanging out there,
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because I seemed
to fit in there better
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than going to little league
or anything of that sort.
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And one day I came in,
and they said,
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"hey, a guy was in this
morning from Electric Lady."
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And that was like somebody
from Valhalla,
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you know, somebody from,
you know, some hallowed ground,
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and they said, "yeah, we got
his phone number for you."
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And it had
a scribbled name "Ron."
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Electric Lady Studios
was Jimi Hendrix's home.
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The '70s was the beginning
of the rise
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of Electric Lady Studios,
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and it had a vibe
like no other studio.
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It was built for Jimi.
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And it attracted musicians,
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'cause they wanted
to be part of that.
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You walk in that studio,
and you want to make music.
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You want to play.
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So I call up Electric Lady,
and I say,
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"hey, can I please
speak to Ron?"
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And I called back over
and over and over incessantly.
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And finally, one day I said,
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"you tell him that it's because
of people like him
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that bands like mine break up."
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And that... that did it.
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In the Wicked Lester days,
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they were always hanging
outside picking up chicks.
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The scene on 8th street
was really a fashion show,
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lace and satin
and platform boots,
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just really hot women
that at that point
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I didn't have
a chance of getting.
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Like the doors of fantasyland,
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a world that we didn't have
access to.
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Nobody had the access.
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We were that much closer
to where we wanted to be.
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Just getting through the door
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at the top of these stairs
was monumental.
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We were just eager beavers.
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We would literally hang out
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and see everybody from
Stevie wonder to Jeff Beck.
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Actually, Stephen stills
was in this recording booth.
255
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And stills comes out and says,
256
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"hey, I hear you've got
a bass guitar
257
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"that sounds really good.
How much do you want?"
258
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He pulled out a wad of hundreds.
259
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And he just rolled off
three $100 bills.
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I went, "wow.
I want to be a rock star."
261
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Like, anybody you could imagine
262
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were coming
and going recording there.
263
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So we spent a year
working on an album.
264
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And we did it on
what's called spec time.
265
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You find out when a session
is going to end,
266
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and you sit and wait.
267
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You could be sitting there
for six or seven hours.
268
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At that point, Wicked Lester
was following
269
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almost every trend,
whatever was hot.
270
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One song had flutes
all over the place.
271
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It sounded like
a Jethro Tull record.
272
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They were kind of throwing
all their influences
273
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into a melting pot.
274
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If one week a song
with a ukulele was a hit,
275
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we'd put a ukulele on the song.
276
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If next week there was a song
that had a trombone...
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We'd put a trombone on.
278
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We knew nothing, nothing
about the recording process,
279
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what these songs
should sound like.
280
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But somehow Ron Johnsen
at Electric Lady Studios
281
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brought the tape
to epic records,
282
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and we got signed right away.
283
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And when the album wasn't
too far from coming out,
284
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we listened and went,
"this is soul-less, ball-less,
285
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just a neutered hodgepodge
of music."
286
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It wasn't working,
and it wasn't cohesive,
287
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and it didn't look great.
288
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The sound was Generic,
289
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and we didn't want
to be Generic.
290
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And every song sounded
different than the other.
291
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We literally walked out
of Electric Lady Studios.
292
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We had a contract;
We got some money.
293
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I don't know, $44,000,
294
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some ridiculous figure
in those days,
295
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which sounded like
a lot of money.
296
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And you know what?
It wasn't satisfying.
297
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The other guys in the band
were just happy
298
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to have an album;
We weren't.
299
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Gene and I just realized
300
00:15:55,196 --> 00:15:57,863
that this wasn't
the direction for us.
301
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We had to scrap it in order
to get back on the path
302
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that we should have been on.
303
00:16:03,871 --> 00:16:05,849
So we told the rest
of the guys in the band,
304
00:16:05,873 --> 00:16:09,041
"you're fired.
We're pulling the band apart."
305
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The guys in the band were going,
306
00:16:10,619 --> 00:16:13,616
"no, no, no, no.
We have a record deal."
307
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"You can't fire us."
308
00:16:14,975 --> 00:16:17,095
- "We're staying."
- "Okay, then we quit."
309
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We went back to the loft,
310
00:16:24,892 --> 00:16:26,629
and all the equipment
was stolen.
311
00:16:26,653 --> 00:16:28,152
You remember that?
312
00:16:28,304 --> 00:16:32,156
And I remember,
"gotta start all over again."
313
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So I went to university,
upstate New York.
314
00:16:36,145 --> 00:16:37,996
And I think I remember saying,
315
00:16:38,072 --> 00:16:40,832
"I'm gonna go up there,
you know, and start a band."
316
00:16:40,908 --> 00:16:43,668
And you in essence said,
"I'm coming with you."
317
00:16:43,819 --> 00:16:45,003
- You remember that?
- Mm-hmm.
318
00:16:45,079 --> 00:16:46,912
Why the hell would you
want to do that?
319
00:16:47,065 --> 00:16:50,508
Because I knew I was
stronger with you.
320
00:16:50,659 --> 00:16:54,231
And even if you didn't
quite see at that point
321
00:16:54,255 --> 00:16:56,848
that you were stronger with me,
322
00:16:56,999 --> 00:16:59,403
quite honestly,
I was more concerned with me.
323
00:16:59,427 --> 00:17:03,763
And it was better to have you
with me than me alone.
324
00:17:03,915 --> 00:17:05,264
For Gene and I,
325
00:17:05,416 --> 00:17:08,671
it was almost unspoken
what needed to be done.
326
00:17:08,695 --> 00:17:12,438
We started all over again
with new songs
327
00:17:12,590 --> 00:17:15,402
that were being written fast,
"deuce" and "strutter"
328
00:17:15,426 --> 00:17:19,203
and all these songs
that felt finally right.
329
00:17:19,355 --> 00:17:22,874
We made it a point
to only have one sound
330
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and that this
would be identifiable.
331
00:17:26,104 --> 00:17:28,546
So we immediately started
to hone in
332
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on what we wanted to do,
who we wanted to be.
333
00:17:33,961 --> 00:17:36,054
I remember being in a subway
334
00:17:36,130 --> 00:17:38,890
going with Paul back to queens.
335
00:17:39,041 --> 00:17:40,224
And I remember him saying,
336
00:17:40,301 --> 00:17:42,705
"Stanley Eisen,
that's not cool."
337
00:17:42,729 --> 00:17:45,304
I hated my name.
338
00:17:45,456 --> 00:17:48,140
And I told my parents
when I was six years old
339
00:17:48,293 --> 00:17:51,977
that I hated my name and that
I was gonna change it.
340
00:17:52,130 --> 00:17:55,406
I really couldn't see,
"the hottest band in the land
341
00:17:55,558 --> 00:18:00,411
featuring Stanley Eisen
and Chaim Witz."
342
00:18:00,488 --> 00:18:03,915
I remember him saying,
"I'm gonna be Paul Stanley."
343
00:18:03,991 --> 00:18:05,452
Paul Stanley.
That's interesting.
344
00:18:05,476 --> 00:18:07,752
And I remember turning around
and saying,
345
00:18:07,829 --> 00:18:10,237
"and I'm gonna be Gene
Simmons," just like that.
346
00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,146
So Gene and I wrote
all these new songs.
347
00:18:16,170 --> 00:18:19,075
And now we needed a band.
348
00:18:19,099 --> 00:18:22,266
And I remember Paul and I
saw an ad in "Rolling Stone,"
349
00:18:22,418 --> 00:18:26,512
and I made the phone call
on a pay phone.
350
00:18:26,664 --> 00:18:28,233
"Hi, how you doing?
I'm Gene Simmons,
351
00:18:28,257 --> 00:18:30,441
and I'm looking
for Peter Criscuola."
352
00:18:32,595 --> 00:18:34,998
Peter Criss played
in a lot of local bands
353
00:18:35,022 --> 00:18:37,448
in New York City
354
00:18:37,525 --> 00:18:40,526
playing in the village,
playing every club he could,
355
00:18:40,678 --> 00:18:43,696
really, really worked hard
to make it.
356
00:18:43,848 --> 00:18:45,935
And I think he was ready
to throw in the towel
357
00:18:45,959 --> 00:18:48,459
if he didn't make it
with Paul and Gene.
358
00:18:48,536 --> 00:18:51,462
I got this crazy call
from the bass player Gene.
359
00:18:51,539 --> 00:18:53,183
He goes, "are you skinny?"
I said, "yeah."
360
00:18:53,207 --> 00:18:54,852
He goes, "you have long hair?"
I said, "yeah."
361
00:18:54,876 --> 00:18:56,003
"Would you like to wear makeup?
362
00:18:56,027 --> 00:18:57,147
"Would you do anything?
363
00:18:57,211 --> 00:18:58,614
Would you wear
a dress on stage?"
364
00:18:58,638 --> 00:18:59,931
And I said, "yeah,
I'd do anything to make it."
365
00:18:59,955 --> 00:19:03,141
And he goes,
"well, come on down."
366
00:19:04,793 --> 00:19:08,457
We initially thought maybe
we'll do a power trio,
367
00:19:08,481 --> 00:19:11,315
big chords, big riffs.
368
00:19:11,467 --> 00:19:12,628
It was good enough for the who.
369
00:19:12,652 --> 00:19:14,538
It was good enough for Hendrix.
370
00:19:14,562 --> 00:19:16,039
And Peter had
that whiskey voice,
371
00:19:16,063 --> 00:19:18,656
so we can do
a three-part Harmony as well.
372
00:19:18,733 --> 00:19:20,491
So we rehearsed as a trio.
373
00:19:20,643 --> 00:19:24,381
But it didn't feel yet
like the full sound.
374
00:19:24,405 --> 00:19:27,050
We need a lead guitarist.
375
00:19:27,074 --> 00:19:28,666
I put an ad
in "the village voice,
376
00:19:28,743 --> 00:19:31,836
"lead guitarist wanted
with flash and balls."
377
00:19:31,913 --> 00:19:35,392
But "the village voice"
wouldn't let us say "balls."
378
00:19:35,416 --> 00:19:38,417
So it became
"flash and ability."
379
00:19:38,569 --> 00:19:41,253
And we had everybody come down.
380
00:19:41,406 --> 00:19:44,067
And towards the end
of auditions this kid
381
00:19:44,091 --> 00:19:46,069
when he walked in
kind of sauntered in,
382
00:19:46,093 --> 00:19:48,594
not very steady on his feet,
one orange sneaker,
383
00:19:48,746 --> 00:19:52,523
one red sneaker,
and he plugged in.
384
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,692
The first song they played
for me was "deuce."
385
00:19:54,843 --> 00:19:56,672
You know, they just said
we're gonna play this song.
386
00:19:56,696 --> 00:19:59,842
It's in the key of a, tuned
down a half step, of course,
387
00:19:59,866 --> 00:20:03,201
and I just jammed
and played every riff I knew.
388
00:20:05,279 --> 00:20:07,872
The kid started playing,
and I knew right then
389
00:20:07,949 --> 00:20:10,374
and there that we had it...
390
00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:14,378
Not because we were great,
391
00:20:14,455 --> 00:20:17,215
but there was something
sonically happening.
392
00:20:17,366 --> 00:20:18,716
The four of us got together,
393
00:20:18,867 --> 00:20:22,127
and there was something
going on that was undeniable.
394
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,798
The sum greater than its parts.
This is the band.
395
00:20:25,950 --> 00:20:28,559
♪ Get up and get
your grandma outta here ♪
396
00:20:28,636 --> 00:20:29,930
I guess it's like love.
397
00:20:29,954 --> 00:20:31,994
When you feel it,
it's instantaneous,
398
00:20:32,123 --> 00:20:33,639
and you know when it's real.
399
00:20:33,791 --> 00:20:36,620
He started playing, and I
don't know what I can say.
400
00:20:36,644 --> 00:20:38,569
We fell in love.
It was like...
401
00:20:38,721 --> 00:20:41,814
♪ Baby,
do the things he says to do ♪
402
00:20:41,966 --> 00:20:43,741
When you think about that guy,
403
00:20:43,818 --> 00:20:44,858
that's Rock 'n' Roll
404
00:20:44,969 --> 00:20:46,393
guitar playing,
405
00:20:46,471 --> 00:20:49,822
almost like a rhythm and blues,
Honky-Tonk guitar player.
406
00:20:49,974 --> 00:20:51,323
There's that sound,
407
00:20:51,476 --> 00:20:53,470
that thing we haven't
heard up until now.
408
00:20:57,906 --> 00:21:00,627
Slow, melodic, but fast
when it needs to be
409
00:21:00,651 --> 00:21:02,260
with a crescendo that builds.
410
00:21:02,411 --> 00:21:05,816
Simple and emotive
and tasteful leads.
411
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,409
His solos made sense.
412
00:21:09,752 --> 00:21:11,602
And we immediately went,
"do you have a band?
413
00:21:11,679 --> 00:21:12,823
"Where do you live?
Do you have a job?
414
00:21:12,847 --> 00:21:14,750
What's your name?"
"Call me Ace."
415
00:21:17,335 --> 00:21:18,662
After they heard me wail,
416
00:21:18,686 --> 00:21:21,331
they knew right away
that I was the guy.
417
00:21:25,192 --> 00:21:26,692
Now, what are we
gonna look like?
418
00:21:38,464 --> 00:21:43,301
New York, early '73,
it was the glitter scene.
419
00:21:43,452 --> 00:21:48,306
This undertone, so to speak,
of art and music and fashion.
420
00:21:48,457 --> 00:21:50,861
It was incredible.
421
00:21:50,885 --> 00:21:53,311
And the New York Dolls
were the darlings
422
00:21:53,387 --> 00:21:55,146
of the rock scene.
423
00:21:59,652 --> 00:22:01,355
I remember going to see
the New York dolls,
424
00:22:01,379 --> 00:22:02,798
and in the early stages,
425
00:22:02,822 --> 00:22:04,525
they were ahead of us
by about six months.
426
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:06,693
- And they looked great.
- Fabulous.
427
00:22:06,717 --> 00:22:08,901
Big, teased hair, lipstick,
428
00:22:09,053 --> 00:22:10,736
platform boots.
429
00:22:10,888 --> 00:22:13,309
Their waists were like my wrist.
430
00:22:13,333 --> 00:22:15,202
They looked like stars.
431
00:22:15,226 --> 00:22:18,981
But when it came to them
musically...
432
00:22:19,005 --> 00:22:21,650
Gene and I looked at each other
and said, "we'll kill 'em."
433
00:22:25,753 --> 00:22:28,587
We tried to do
the androgynous thing,
434
00:22:28,739 --> 00:22:30,384
but we weren't convincing at it.
435
00:22:30,408 --> 00:22:32,995
I'm 6'2", and at the time,
I weighed 200 pounds.
436
00:22:33,019 --> 00:22:35,072
And it's not convincing
437
00:22:35,096 --> 00:22:37,521
when a big guy
starts to prance around.
438
00:22:37,673 --> 00:22:40,577
The dolls looked the part.
439
00:22:40,601 --> 00:22:45,082
We looked more like
linebackers in drag.
440
00:22:45,106 --> 00:22:47,439
No matter who you aspire to be,
441
00:22:47,592 --> 00:22:49,753
you're never going
to be better at being them
442
00:22:49,777 --> 00:22:53,946
than they are,
so you got to be the best you.
443
00:22:54,098 --> 00:22:58,078
It's so hard to verbalize
how the Kiss makeup came about.
444
00:22:58,102 --> 00:22:59,763
One of us... could have been me,
445
00:22:59,787 --> 00:23:01,431
could have been
anybody else... said,
446
00:23:01,455 --> 00:23:04,693
"hey, let's go to Woolworths
and buy some clown makeup."
447
00:23:04,717 --> 00:23:08,364
There was no talk of what
we were going to do.
448
00:23:08,388 --> 00:23:11,296
It's like when you're a kid
and one of your friends says,
449
00:23:11,449 --> 00:23:15,204
"hey, let's jump into
the deep end of the pool."
450
00:23:15,228 --> 00:23:19,397
Everybody just tapped into
a part of who they were.
451
00:23:19,548 --> 00:23:21,732
Basically, they're kind of
extensions of our,
452
00:23:21,809 --> 00:23:24,810
you know, alter egos
and our personalities.
453
00:23:24,962 --> 00:23:27,238
For Paul, it was the butterfly
454
00:23:27,389 --> 00:23:30,482
out of the caterpillar,
if you will.
455
00:23:30,635 --> 00:23:32,651
I can remember being
in third grade
456
00:23:32,803 --> 00:23:34,912
and my teacher had me come up
457
00:23:34,989 --> 00:23:37,915
to the front of the room
so she could look at my ear.
458
00:23:38,066 --> 00:23:41,752
I felt incredibly degraded.
459
00:23:41,904 --> 00:23:46,257
But really your choice in life
is to use being a victim
460
00:23:46,333 --> 00:23:50,981
as an excuse or you suit up.
461
00:23:51,005 --> 00:23:53,264
The whole character
that I came up with,
462
00:23:53,415 --> 00:23:56,600
great-looking, confident, brash,
463
00:23:56,752 --> 00:23:59,437
the front man
might as well have been
464
00:23:59,588 --> 00:24:02,514
a wish list of things
that I wasn't,
465
00:24:02,667 --> 00:24:04,995
things I became.
466
00:24:07,021 --> 00:24:10,281
I wanted to delve
a little deeper
467
00:24:10,432 --> 00:24:12,261
into what I loved growing up,
468
00:24:12,285 --> 00:24:16,120
"the phantom of the opera"
with Mary Philbin
469
00:24:16,271 --> 00:24:18,289
as the girl who unmasks him.
470
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:19,640
I'll never forget as a kid
471
00:24:19,684 --> 00:24:21,419
it frightened the hell
out of me.
472
00:24:21,443 --> 00:24:23,939
The shadows hit
the phantom's face.
473
00:24:23,963 --> 00:24:27,834
And I remember starting
to draw that face,
474
00:24:27,858 --> 00:24:31,947
the imprint of the shadow
on the eyes.
475
00:24:31,971 --> 00:24:36,215
And that was the beginning
of the demon.
476
00:24:36,367 --> 00:24:38,809
I may be the voice of Kiss,
477
00:24:38,886 --> 00:24:42,291
but Gene has always been
the face of the Kiss.
478
00:24:42,315 --> 00:24:45,149
It's just, man,
he hit a home run.
479
00:24:48,062 --> 00:24:51,563
Ace's makeup, his jagged design,
480
00:24:51,716 --> 00:24:54,992
for him symbolized
being a spaceman.
481
00:24:55,069 --> 00:24:56,713
Ace has always been
spAcey and stuff,
482
00:24:56,737 --> 00:24:58,307
and he would verbalize it.
483
00:24:58,331 --> 00:24:59,533
"I can't even stand up straight,
484
00:24:59,557 --> 00:25:02,500
and I can't...
My equilibrium."
485
00:25:02,651 --> 00:25:05,911
Peter felt like a cat or felt
like he had nine lives.
486
00:25:06,063 --> 00:25:07,390
Peter just shrugged
his shoulders,
487
00:25:07,414 --> 00:25:09,507
"I like cats."
488
00:25:09,658 --> 00:25:12,988
And he put on the cat
just like that.
489
00:25:13,012 --> 00:25:16,421
But it all worked
beautifully together.
490
00:25:16,574 --> 00:25:18,327
That was the start.
491
00:25:18,351 --> 00:25:22,331
We were stage-ready to go out
there and take on the world.
492
00:25:22,355 --> 00:25:26,098
Then it was, "okay, what are
we gonna call ourselves?"
493
00:25:26,250 --> 00:25:28,170
And I knew...
494
00:25:28,194 --> 00:25:31,086
Be it a Kiss of death,
a passionate Kiss...
495
00:25:32,923 --> 00:25:35,440
It just made so much sense.
496
00:25:35,593 --> 00:25:39,778
You know, I took a deep breath
and said, "what about Kiss?"
497
00:25:39,930 --> 00:25:41,997
Ladies and gentlemen, Kiss!
498
00:25:48,697 --> 00:25:51,123
You originally put whiteface on
499
00:25:51,275 --> 00:25:54,771
and had a round circle
like Pete the dog.
500
00:25:54,795 --> 00:25:56,128
Petey, Petey the dog.
501
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,556
On "the little rascals,"
young... "Little rascals."
502
00:25:58,707 --> 00:26:00,869
And it may have been Ace
who said,
503
00:26:00,893 --> 00:26:02,596
"you're the rock star.
You want to be a rock star.
504
00:26:02,620 --> 00:26:05,729
Why don't you put two stars
on your eyes?"
505
00:26:05,806 --> 00:26:07,434
And how did you
wind up with one?
506
00:26:07,458 --> 00:26:11,235
I think it's because my face
is asymmetric or was
507
00:26:11,386 --> 00:26:12,736
because of my ears
508
00:26:12,888 --> 00:26:16,815
that I think I fell into,
you know, something asymmetric.
509
00:26:16,967 --> 00:26:19,651
I remember seeing Gene's hair
on top of his head
510
00:26:19,804 --> 00:26:21,390
and thinking, "that's so cool."
511
00:26:21,414 --> 00:26:23,747
I almost was going
to take all my hair.
512
00:26:23,824 --> 00:26:25,118
- Oh, really?
- Yeah.
513
00:26:25,142 --> 00:26:27,585
And pull it up
to the top of my head.
514
00:26:27,661 --> 00:26:32,998
But there was a physical aspect
that I didn't want to reveal.
515
00:26:35,986 --> 00:26:37,595
One, two, three, four.
516
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:52,662
We started doing gigs,
517
00:26:52,686 --> 00:26:54,590
but we were never part
of the New York scene.
518
00:26:54,614 --> 00:26:58,949
♪ I know a thing or two
about her ♪
519
00:26:59,026 --> 00:27:01,430
We were outcasts
to the outcasts.
520
00:27:01,454 --> 00:27:04,696
♪ I know she only
made you cry ♪
521
00:27:04,849 --> 00:27:06,529
Unlike other New York bands
that would play
522
00:27:06,608 --> 00:27:09,846
Max's Kansas City
and the Mercer art center,
523
00:27:09,870 --> 00:27:11,440
Kiss were playing
at a hole in the wall
524
00:27:11,464 --> 00:27:13,705
in queens called Coventry
or they were playing
525
00:27:13,858 --> 00:27:16,133
in Amityville,
New York, at the Daisy.
526
00:27:16,284 --> 00:27:18,614
These places
were 45 minutes away,
527
00:27:18,638 --> 00:27:20,804
but they were almost
lifetimes away
528
00:27:20,956 --> 00:27:22,433
in the sense
of the New York scene.
529
00:27:22,457 --> 00:27:24,383
♪ Everybody says
she's looking good ♪
530
00:27:24,535 --> 00:27:27,122
I never wanted to be
the best band in New York.
531
00:27:27,146 --> 00:27:30,648
I wanted to be the best band
in the world.
532
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:33,651
Everything we did
we did ourselves.
533
00:27:33,802 --> 00:27:35,464
You know,
we had to create ourselves,
534
00:27:35,488 --> 00:27:36,820
design our own logos,
535
00:27:36,972 --> 00:27:38,708
literally make our own clothes.
536
00:27:38,732 --> 00:27:42,971
We took a black t-shirt,
put glue in the Kiss logo,
537
00:27:42,995 --> 00:27:45,329
and then poured glitter on it.
538
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,477
Do whatever it is you got
to do to set yourself apart,
539
00:27:48,501 --> 00:27:51,335
just figure out yourself
what makes you special.
540
00:27:51,486 --> 00:27:55,984
We created Kiss out of nowhere
out of our imagination.
541
00:27:56,008 --> 00:27:57,416
Those first shows,
542
00:27:57,568 --> 00:27:59,821
I think there were
probably five people,
543
00:27:59,845 --> 00:28:02,587
and they were at the bar.
544
00:28:02,740 --> 00:28:06,425
But we got in full makeup,
went up there.
545
00:28:06,577 --> 00:28:09,019
When we first walked out,
"all right, here they are.
546
00:28:09,096 --> 00:28:10,595
Nobody cares."
547
00:28:10,748 --> 00:28:13,524
And then within two or three
songs, everybody goes nuts.
548
00:28:16,420 --> 00:28:18,770
We played like it was
Madison square garden,
549
00:28:18,923 --> 00:28:22,441
and the audiences grew.
550
00:28:22,593 --> 00:28:25,944
I remember being on
that little small stage
551
00:28:26,096 --> 00:28:30,927
and looking across
and seeing rock stars.
552
00:28:34,046 --> 00:28:39,032
The look, the song,
all we needed was a demo.
553
00:28:44,448 --> 00:28:46,724
Gene and I had done
a lot of sessions
554
00:28:46,875 --> 00:28:48,392
at Electric Lady Studios.
555
00:28:48,543 --> 00:28:50,802
We would sing backups
on anything
556
00:28:50,955 --> 00:28:53,731
where they needed extra
singers, and we would get paid.
557
00:28:53,882 --> 00:28:57,212
So we said,
"instead of paying us,
558
00:28:57,236 --> 00:28:59,311
"give us studio time.
559
00:28:59,463 --> 00:29:01,624
And you have to get
Eddie Kramer."
560
00:29:03,150 --> 00:29:06,555
For his credits at the time,
you couldn't get higher.
561
00:29:06,579 --> 00:29:09,821
Hendrix, the Beatles, zeppelin.
562
00:29:09,974 --> 00:29:12,916
Eddie was lofty.
563
00:29:13,068 --> 00:29:16,306
This would be monumental,
a game changer for us.
564
00:29:18,165 --> 00:29:21,069
I said, does everybody
want to boogie?
565
00:29:21,093 --> 00:29:22,742
Whoo! All right.
566
00:29:24,263 --> 00:29:26,241
Eddie Kramer came
to see us live,
567
00:29:26,265 --> 00:29:27,484
and he got it right away.
568
00:29:27,508 --> 00:29:30,267
It was insane,
569
00:29:30,418 --> 00:29:33,678
kabuki theater stuff,
4-, 5-, 6-inch boots,
570
00:29:33,831 --> 00:29:35,751
and just the energy.
571
00:29:35,775 --> 00:29:39,518
It was just
such a magical transformation
572
00:29:39,670 --> 00:29:41,945
of the boys into those persona.
573
00:29:43,949 --> 00:29:46,191
So I said, "I'll do it.
574
00:29:46,343 --> 00:29:50,529
But we got to do it the
old-fashioned way, four-track."
575
00:29:50,681 --> 00:29:55,793
♪ Livin' as you do,
and I'm watching you, oh-oh ♪
576
00:29:55,944 --> 00:29:59,630
In Studio B right here
we recorded "Black Diamond,"
577
00:29:59,706 --> 00:30:01,873
"Watching You," "She,"
578
00:30:02,026 --> 00:30:03,853
"Strutter," "Deuce."
579
00:30:06,955 --> 00:30:10,808
Those first demos,
I put them on today,
580
00:30:10,959 --> 00:30:15,198
still sounds good,
because it's honest.
581
00:30:15,222 --> 00:30:17,700
There's a purity
and a naivete about it.
582
00:30:19,301 --> 00:30:23,153
The passion was undeniable.
583
00:30:23,305 --> 00:30:24,374
♪ What to do ♪
584
00:30:28,977 --> 00:30:33,497
Eddie Kramer just let us
be authentically us.
585
00:30:33,648 --> 00:30:36,812
Those demos,
that was done in one day.
586
00:30:36,836 --> 00:30:38,054
♪ Watching us ♪
587
00:30:39,654 --> 00:30:41,004
♪ Whoo ♪
588
00:30:41,156 --> 00:30:44,675
When we listen back to it
in totality, five or six songs,
589
00:30:44,826 --> 00:30:46,418
gee, this sounds like a band.
590
00:30:46,570 --> 00:30:50,330
That's what we went shopping
for a deal with.
591
00:30:56,838 --> 00:31:00,335
Whenever we would play,
we would send invitations out
592
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:04,247
to all the managers,
booking agents, whoever.
593
00:31:04,271 --> 00:31:07,750
And at one of those shows,
somebody had come from
594
00:31:07,774 --> 00:31:11,109
rock steady,
somebody named bill Aucoin.
595
00:31:12,930 --> 00:31:15,372
He was a television producer.
596
00:31:15,449 --> 00:31:18,876
And he had no background
as a manager,
597
00:31:19,027 --> 00:31:21,356
but he just seemed to get us.
598
00:31:21,380 --> 00:31:22,932
- I'll tell you what I'll do.
I'll get you a deal
599
00:31:22,956 --> 00:31:26,361
within two weeks,
or we'll just call it quits.
600
00:31:26,385 --> 00:31:28,385
So we signed.
601
00:31:28,536 --> 00:31:31,129
And right away,
this guy Neil Bogart shows up
602
00:31:31,281 --> 00:31:35,225
debuting a new record label
called Casablanca Records.
603
00:31:35,377 --> 00:31:37,394
Casablanca record and Filmworks.
604
00:31:37,545 --> 00:31:40,397
And we would be the first act
on Casablanca.
605
00:31:40,548 --> 00:31:41,877
Music is gonna be fabulous.
606
00:31:41,901 --> 00:31:43,786
Entertainment's gonna
be spectacular.
607
00:31:47,147 --> 00:31:52,317
Neil and bill, their vision
went so far beyond ours.
608
00:31:52,469 --> 00:31:55,820
And also bill's boyfriend Sean.
609
00:31:55,973 --> 00:31:58,801
Sean Delaney
was actually the guy...
610
00:31:58,825 --> 00:32:00,787
- Testing, one, two.
One, two. It's working.
611
00:32:00,811 --> 00:32:03,398
Who first set up
video cameras for us.
612
00:32:03,422 --> 00:32:07,332
Put your two lips together,
ladies and gentlemen, Kiss!
613
00:32:07,484 --> 00:32:09,927
Kiss! Kiss!
614
00:32:10,003 --> 00:32:13,079
And so we're able to see
ourselves for the first time.
615
00:32:22,608 --> 00:32:24,586
I was stunned at what I saw.
616
00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:25,995
I wasn't doing anything,
617
00:32:26,019 --> 00:32:29,666
going like this from 20 feet
away looks like nothing.
618
00:32:29,690 --> 00:32:33,283
♪ Get up and get
your grandma outta here ♪
619
00:32:33,435 --> 00:32:35,321
That was a wake-up call.
620
00:32:35,345 --> 00:32:39,008
I realized the stage
is prime real estate,
621
00:32:39,032 --> 00:32:41,792
and you've got to use up
as much of it as possible,
622
00:32:41,943 --> 00:32:44,847
legs apart, arms open.
623
00:32:44,871 --> 00:32:48,334
Everything has to be seen
from 300 feet away.
624
00:32:50,194 --> 00:32:52,113
We were in rehearsal one day.
625
00:32:52,137 --> 00:32:55,024
And I think just by chance
we did this,
626
00:32:55,048 --> 00:32:56,785
and when we finished the song,
Sean said,
627
00:32:56,809 --> 00:32:58,861
"wait a minute.
628
00:32:58,885 --> 00:33:02,624
Do that move
where you rock back and forth."
629
00:33:04,966 --> 00:33:07,150
And the reaction,
I have to say, was like,
630
00:33:07,302 --> 00:33:09,038
"well, we're not
the temptations."
631
00:33:09,062 --> 00:33:11,132
I don't want to be
Paul revere and the raiders,
632
00:33:11,156 --> 00:33:13,898
you know, all of us
jumping around together.
633
00:33:14,051 --> 00:33:15,695
He goes,
"don't worry about that.
634
00:33:15,719 --> 00:33:17,828
"You're in Kiss.
635
00:33:17,904 --> 00:33:20,163
You can do anything."
636
00:33:20,315 --> 00:33:23,144
And sure enough,
we're still doing it today.
637
00:33:28,065 --> 00:33:31,341
Neil Bogart with our manager
bill Aucoin, they said,
638
00:33:31,493 --> 00:33:33,655
"if you're going to be a live
band, let's put together
639
00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:37,756
the biggest, loudest statement
640
00:33:37,908 --> 00:33:40,662
of any band ever."
641
00:33:40,686 --> 00:33:42,980
The only way you're gonna
get attention from the masses
642
00:33:43,004 --> 00:33:46,431
is by doing things much,
much bigger.
643
00:33:46,583 --> 00:33:48,578
It was Neil Bogart
who had the idea,
644
00:33:48,602 --> 00:33:51,862
"I want the drum riser
to levitate."
645
00:33:52,013 --> 00:33:53,916
They went up maybe 6 feet.
646
00:33:55,683 --> 00:33:58,368
But nobody had ever done that.
647
00:33:58,445 --> 00:34:00,423
We went up to bill's office
one day,
648
00:34:00,447 --> 00:34:02,851
and there was somebody else
in the room.
649
00:34:02,875 --> 00:34:04,761
Could have been
amazo the magician.
650
00:34:04,785 --> 00:34:07,118
We said, "who's this guy?"
651
00:34:07,271 --> 00:34:08,953
Bill Aucoin said,
"you guys are doing
652
00:34:09,106 --> 00:34:11,548
"a song called 'firehouse.'
653
00:34:11,699 --> 00:34:13,194
one of you guys
has to spit fire."
654
00:34:13,218 --> 00:34:14,771
"Who wants to try?"
655
00:34:16,463 --> 00:34:19,130
Literally the very
first show we did,
656
00:34:19,283 --> 00:34:22,801
my hair went up
like a matchstick.
657
00:34:22,953 --> 00:34:25,874
And the fans loved it.
658
00:34:25,898 --> 00:34:28,565
Bill was also the guy
who came up with the idea,
659
00:34:28,716 --> 00:34:31,068
"you guys are never gonna
be seen without makeup."
660
00:34:31,219 --> 00:34:33,812
He said to us, "Marilyn Monroe,
661
00:34:33,964 --> 00:34:35,050
"she never took a photo
662
00:34:35,074 --> 00:34:37,886
"where she looked frumpy
without her makeup.
663
00:34:37,910 --> 00:34:39,128
"Whenever you saw her,
664
00:34:39,152 --> 00:34:42,223
"she was Marilyn Monroe
24 hours a day.
665
00:34:42,247 --> 00:34:44,392
That's what you guys
should be doing."
666
00:34:44,416 --> 00:34:45,824
So we did.
667
00:34:45,976 --> 00:34:50,807
Our first album
came out early February 1974.
668
00:34:50,831 --> 00:34:53,924
The first album
was all those great songs
669
00:34:54,075 --> 00:34:56,404
that we had been playing
at Coventry.
670
00:34:56,428 --> 00:34:58,336
It's crazy when you think
about it.
671
00:34:58,488 --> 00:35:00,300
There was nothing
out there like us.
672
00:35:00,324 --> 00:35:04,601
- It had to work.
We were unstoppable.
673
00:35:04,752 --> 00:35:06,603
They went out on the road
674
00:35:06,754 --> 00:35:11,274
and just kicked ass
for pretty much two years.
675
00:35:11,351 --> 00:35:14,664
Bondage gear, blood spurting,
676
00:35:14,688 --> 00:35:18,448
overkill kabuki makeup.
677
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,670
Gene's tongue getting closer
to Ace and Ace
678
00:35:20,694 --> 00:35:24,121
sort of recoiling back
but not too far back.
679
00:35:24,272 --> 00:35:27,268
Billowing smoke, shooting
rockets across the stage.
680
00:35:27,292 --> 00:35:29,868
Kiss was about to be...
681
00:35:30,020 --> 00:35:34,038
Rock 'n' Roll!
682
00:35:34,191 --> 00:35:36,778
The most dangerous
and feared band in America.
683
00:35:46,036 --> 00:35:48,197
Please welcome one of the
most unusual bands, Kiss!
684
00:35:48,221 --> 00:35:50,889
Hey, world. We're Kiss.
685
00:35:51,041 --> 00:35:53,294
We want everybody here
to come along with us,
686
00:35:53,318 --> 00:35:55,318
'cause you've got nothing
to lose.
687
00:35:55,395 --> 00:35:56,631
Two, three, four.
688
00:35:56,655 --> 00:35:59,467
Those first two or three tours,
689
00:35:59,491 --> 00:36:01,908
it was us against the world.
690
00:36:03,236 --> 00:36:08,050
200 shows the first year
in a station wagon,
691
00:36:08,074 --> 00:36:09,886
doubling up on rooms,
692
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:14,056
making a glorious $75 a week.
693
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,058
But it was a magical time.
694
00:36:16,082 --> 00:36:18,842
♪ Before I had a baby ♪
695
00:36:18,993 --> 00:36:22,824
♪ I didn't care anyway ♪
696
00:36:22,848 --> 00:36:25,994
♪ I thought about
the back door ♪
697
00:36:26,018 --> 00:36:30,020
♪ I didn't know what to say
yeah yeah ♪
698
00:36:30,096 --> 00:36:32,355
When we went out
on our first tour,
699
00:36:32,507 --> 00:36:34,169
our parents drove us
to the airport
700
00:36:34,193 --> 00:36:36,412
like we were
going to summer camp,
701
00:36:36,436 --> 00:36:38,862
and we were going to a...
A whorehouse.
702
00:36:39,013 --> 00:36:40,939
♪ You got nothin'
nothin' to lose ♪
703
00:36:41,091 --> 00:36:44,012
- Chicks.
And wake up with girls
704
00:36:44,036 --> 00:36:46,848
whose name
you'd never bothered to learn.
705
00:36:46,872 --> 00:36:48,424
Wow, this is a good job.
706
00:36:48,448 --> 00:36:50,448
♪ Ahh yeah ♪
707
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:55,378
What we had been singing
about and fantasizing about,
708
00:36:55,455 --> 00:36:59,549
it actually existed just
the way we thought it did.
709
00:36:59,626 --> 00:37:02,605
We were experiencing this
together for the first time.
710
00:37:02,629 --> 00:37:07,057
♪ You got, you got,
you got nothin' to lose ♪
711
00:37:07,208 --> 00:37:11,469
It was like all for one,
one for all, like brothers.
712
00:37:11,621 --> 00:37:13,304
It was a constant party.
713
00:37:13,457 --> 00:37:15,139
And it was great.
714
00:37:15,292 --> 00:37:16,544
Sure, there was some drinking
715
00:37:16,568 --> 00:37:18,788
and sure, there was some drugs.
716
00:37:18,812 --> 00:37:21,716
But the shows were killer.
717
00:37:21,740 --> 00:37:24,719
Every single show
we would get encores,
718
00:37:24,743 --> 00:37:28,056
and our road manager noticed
that the headlining act...
719
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,465
I think it was argent...
720
00:37:29,489 --> 00:37:32,490
Kept pulling our power
so we couldn't do encores.
721
00:37:32,642 --> 00:37:34,923
At the end of one of our sets,
all of a sudden,
722
00:37:34,978 --> 00:37:37,974
"wow, we have power.
Let's go back out again."
723
00:37:37,998 --> 00:37:40,309
Then we heard
that our road manager
724
00:37:40,333 --> 00:37:43,426
had pulled one of these bowie
knives on the tour manager
725
00:37:43,578 --> 00:37:47,338
and locked him
in one of their road cases.
726
00:37:50,844 --> 00:37:53,603
We went across America,
wound up on the west coast,
727
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,606
and literally ran out of bands
to play with,
728
00:37:56,683 --> 00:37:58,235
'cause they kicked us off tours,
729
00:37:58,259 --> 00:38:00,162
'cause we kept blowing them
off the stage.
730
00:38:00,186 --> 00:38:02,445
We were literally stuck there.
731
00:38:02,522 --> 00:38:04,408
We didn't have enough money
to go home.
732
00:38:04,432 --> 00:38:07,428
And we had shows coming up
in two weeks.
733
00:38:07,452 --> 00:38:11,173
We're staying at a motel
someplace in San Francisco.
734
00:38:11,197 --> 00:38:14,032
"And we're eating beans
and hot dogs out of a pot.
735
00:38:14,184 --> 00:38:15,517
How cool are we?"
736
00:38:18,463 --> 00:38:22,540
The first album, I think
it sold about 60,000 copies.
737
00:38:22,692 --> 00:38:24,279
And it wasn't a big success.
738
00:38:24,303 --> 00:38:27,448
So we put out another album.
739
00:38:27,472 --> 00:38:28,858
A big San Francisco welcome
740
00:38:28,882 --> 00:38:31,032
for our special guest tonight,
Kiss.
741
00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:43,631
♪ She looked good,
she looked hotter than hell ♪
742
00:38:43,655 --> 00:38:46,709
♪ all dressed in satins
and lace ♪
743
00:38:46,733 --> 00:38:49,159
And right around that time
we had a, you know,
744
00:38:49,235 --> 00:38:52,640
a moment of sobriety with
our record company president.
745
00:38:52,664 --> 00:38:55,665
♪ She showed me
her wedding band ♪
746
00:38:55,742 --> 00:38:57,312
"You guys are
costing me a fortune.
747
00:38:57,336 --> 00:38:58,743
You don't have hit singles.
748
00:38:58,895 --> 00:39:01,057
And that's okay.
I'll stick with you.
749
00:39:01,081 --> 00:39:03,121
But you keep getting
thrown off tours."
750
00:39:05,418 --> 00:39:06,821
"I don't know how
to tell you this,
751
00:39:06,845 --> 00:39:08,823
but you need to stay on a tour.
752
00:39:08,847 --> 00:39:11,901
Could you be less good?"
753
00:39:11,925 --> 00:39:15,905
And we literally said
something like, "no way."
754
00:39:15,929 --> 00:39:17,239
You can't put a tiger out there
755
00:39:17,263 --> 00:39:18,666
in front of lambs
and everything,
756
00:39:18,690 --> 00:39:20,335
"do you mind just walking
by that lamb
757
00:39:20,359 --> 00:39:22,078
and don't tear its throat out?"
758
00:39:22,102 --> 00:39:23,585
No, I'm a... I'm a tiger.
759
00:39:24,604 --> 00:39:25,673
It's what I do.
760
00:39:28,108 --> 00:39:31,534
When I discovered them,
I was 15, just turned 16.
761
00:39:31,686 --> 00:39:33,906
And I was one
of the very first Kiss fans
762
00:39:33,930 --> 00:39:35,908
that I was ever aware of,
because I saw them
763
00:39:35,932 --> 00:39:37,410
in a magazine
called "rock scene."
764
00:39:37,434 --> 00:39:40,521
And that was their first time
in a magazine.
765
00:39:40,545 --> 00:39:42,932
This had to have
been back in 1974.
766
00:39:42,956 --> 00:39:45,935
And I got to the very back
of "circus... circus" magazine,
767
00:39:45,959 --> 00:39:47,770
and I saw this crazy hair
and makeup, and I go,
768
00:39:47,794 --> 00:39:49,105
"what the hell is this?"
769
00:39:49,129 --> 00:39:50,628
Then after I saw them
in concert,
770
00:39:50,780 --> 00:39:52,222
seeing them seals the deal.
771
00:39:53,225 --> 00:39:55,094
Kiss was my first concert.
772
00:39:55,118 --> 00:39:57,727
And my ticket said
"a partial view of Kiss."
773
00:39:57,804 --> 00:39:59,707
Now, I thought they were
gonna be revealing
774
00:39:59,731 --> 00:40:02,473
some deep corner
of their poetic souls.
775
00:40:02,626 --> 00:40:05,735
It really meant that my seat
was behind a pole
776
00:40:05,812 --> 00:40:07,237
at the side of the stage.
777
00:40:07,313 --> 00:40:10,314
Despite that, it was still
the most invigorating,
778
00:40:10,467 --> 00:40:13,721
energizing, exciting two hours
of Rock 'n' Roll music
779
00:40:13,745 --> 00:40:16,746
that I've seen to this day.
780
00:40:18,475 --> 00:40:20,250
I've got a question for you.
781
00:40:20,401 --> 00:40:23,639
Early on, the audience
was there to see the headliner.
782
00:40:23,663 --> 00:40:25,566
But soon enough,
people were showing up
783
00:40:25,590 --> 00:40:27,999
at the concerts
wearing our makeup.
784
00:40:28,151 --> 00:40:30,075
Believe in Rock 'n' Roll?
785
00:40:31,763 --> 00:40:34,097
Kiss first broke in the Midwest.
786
00:40:34,174 --> 00:40:39,414
And as an Illinois lad myself,
that is not surprising to me.
787
00:40:39,438 --> 00:40:43,347
The coasts may have been more
drawn to T. Rex and Bowie,
788
00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:47,422
but Kiss really spoke
to suburban kids like myself.
789
00:40:47,446 --> 00:40:50,947
Like, you know, you're trapped
in some conservative suburb
790
00:40:51,098 --> 00:40:53,594
where the best
you can hope for ever
791
00:40:53,618 --> 00:40:55,671
is to maybe get a job
at the dairy queen
792
00:40:55,695 --> 00:40:57,840
and along comes Kiss.
793
00:40:57,864 --> 00:41:01,269
And I could really see
why it was Cleveland...
794
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,130
- Why it was Detroit.
- How you feel, Houston?
795
00:41:08,875 --> 00:41:13,114
The working-class bombast
felt like it was built
796
00:41:13,138 --> 00:41:14,637
for the industrial Midwest.
797
00:41:17,476 --> 00:41:21,719
Do you feel all right?
798
00:41:21,871 --> 00:41:23,791
Kiss represented something
799
00:41:23,815 --> 00:41:26,535
more than just music.
800
00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:28,485
Kiss seemed like theater.
801
00:41:29,896 --> 00:41:32,467
Kiss seemed like fantasy.
802
00:41:32,491 --> 00:41:34,398
We had the most expensive
show out there.
803
00:41:34,551 --> 00:41:37,638
Come on and clap your hands.
804
00:41:37,662 --> 00:41:39,496
And the scale
kept getting bigger.
805
00:41:42,834 --> 00:41:45,502
We were selling out concerts.
806
00:41:45,653 --> 00:41:47,837
But the problem was,
in those days,
807
00:41:47,914 --> 00:41:51,082
record labels didn't get
any money from live concerts.
808
00:41:51,234 --> 00:41:53,488
All they got were the records.
809
00:41:53,512 --> 00:41:56,679
And so the label's
losing money hand over fist.
810
00:42:00,018 --> 00:42:02,185
I seem to remember
bill Aucoin saying to me,
811
00:42:02,262 --> 00:42:05,188
"you know, these guys are in
a little bit of trouble."
812
00:42:06,525 --> 00:42:09,359
Neil Bogart mortgaged his house.
813
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:12,248
And he had kids
and a marriage and all that.
814
00:42:12,272 --> 00:42:15,273
The record company's
really in dire straits.
815
00:42:15,425 --> 00:42:19,777
So the key factor here
was bill Aucoin.
816
00:42:19,929 --> 00:42:22,591
Bill Aucoin used
his American express card
817
00:42:22,615 --> 00:42:26,354
to continue to finance touring.
818
00:42:26,378 --> 00:42:29,212
He was going into
great mountains of debt,
819
00:42:29,289 --> 00:42:32,193
and he was being chased
by the creditors
820
00:42:32,217 --> 00:42:34,603
and was running away
as quick as he could.
821
00:42:34,627 --> 00:42:38,296
We didn't have hit singles,
no album sales, nothing.
822
00:42:38,448 --> 00:42:41,777
And so financially
we were in a lot of trouble.
823
00:42:41,801 --> 00:42:44,727
We were all in a lot of trouble.
824
00:42:44,804 --> 00:42:46,098
We thought the problem
825
00:42:46,122 --> 00:42:48,709
was that we were
not played on radio at all.
826
00:42:58,225 --> 00:42:59,387
Rock stations receive
an average of 100
827
00:42:59,411 --> 00:43:00,963
singles a week.
828
00:43:00,987 --> 00:43:03,115
Well-known groups
can get their stuff on.
829
00:43:03,139 --> 00:43:04,800
For the unknowns to get on,
830
00:43:04,824 --> 00:43:06,984
somebody must be willing
to take a chance.
831
00:43:08,978 --> 00:43:12,589
Stereo 101,
chippin' away at the rock.
832
00:43:12,740 --> 00:43:14,810
♪ We ♪
833
00:43:14,834 --> 00:43:16,312
Make your ears bleed and your...
834
00:43:16,336 --> 00:43:18,406
It actually started organically
835
00:43:18,430 --> 00:43:20,466
in terre Haute, Indiana.
836
00:43:20,490 --> 00:43:22,651
The radio station
there wasn't playing Kiss.
837
00:43:22,675 --> 00:43:25,821
This was early 1975.
838
00:43:25,845 --> 00:43:27,323
The local radio station,
839
00:43:27,347 --> 00:43:30,585
which was just a brick
enclosure outside of town
840
00:43:30,609 --> 00:43:34,663
with an antenna on top in the
middle of a cow pasture...
841
00:43:34,687 --> 00:43:36,924
WVTS is now broadcasting...
842
00:43:36,948 --> 00:43:38,759
A few people got together.
843
00:43:38,783 --> 00:43:41,025
There was a guy named Starkey.
844
00:43:42,512 --> 00:43:44,098
He got in touch
with the radio station.
845
00:43:44,122 --> 00:43:45,674
And he said,
"listen, you got to play Kiss.
846
00:43:45,698 --> 00:43:48,699
It's my favorite band."
847
00:43:48,852 --> 00:43:50,438
"If you don't play Kiss,
848
00:43:50,462 --> 00:43:52,870
the Kiss army
will surround the station."
849
00:43:53,022 --> 00:43:55,684
- VTS with Evans.
Still nobody's out there.
850
00:43:55,708 --> 00:43:58,354
The radio station thought
that was very funny.
851
00:43:58,378 --> 00:44:00,281
But lo and behold,
when they didn't play Kiss...
852
00:44:00,305 --> 00:44:01,949
Bill Starkey is here.
853
00:44:01,973 --> 00:44:04,619
You don't believe me.
I've got my army out there.
854
00:44:04,643 --> 00:44:07,455
The radio station
was surrounded.
855
00:44:07,479 --> 00:44:11,292
And that's where
the Kiss army was born.
856
00:44:11,316 --> 00:44:13,224
I've never seen
something like this.
857
00:44:13,376 --> 00:44:15,129
I've been doing
Rock 'n' Roll for 2 1/2 years,
858
00:44:15,153 --> 00:44:17,298
and I've never seen
such mass participation.
859
00:44:17,322 --> 00:44:19,375
It's a volunteer army.
860
00:44:19,399 --> 00:44:22,233
What could be better
than having people volunteer
861
00:44:22,385 --> 00:44:24,735
to wave the flag?
862
00:44:24,888 --> 00:44:28,831
The fans and the band
fell in love with each other.
863
00:44:28,908 --> 00:44:32,554
They tattoo their bodies
with our faces.
864
00:44:32,578 --> 00:44:36,225
They name their children
after our songs.
865
00:44:36,249 --> 00:44:39,987
There's some kind of
authentic soul connection.
866
00:44:40,011 --> 00:44:41,656
Anything else before we move on?
867
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,399
Let's play some Kiss music.
868
00:44:43,423 --> 00:44:46,832
But we still needed
to write a hit.
869
00:44:52,765 --> 00:44:54,669
By our third record,
870
00:44:54,693 --> 00:44:56,671
Casablanca was in deep trouble.
871
00:44:56,695 --> 00:45:00,604
We made two albums right away
the first year, neither sold.
872
00:45:00,757 --> 00:45:02,009
The third album, Neil Bogart
873
00:45:02,033 --> 00:45:05,254
decided to jump on
and produce it for us.
874
00:45:05,278 --> 00:45:07,682
We were back in New York City
875
00:45:07,706 --> 00:45:11,093
and trying
to cut costs where we could.
876
00:45:11,117 --> 00:45:13,187
If you look at
"dressed to kill,"
877
00:45:13,211 --> 00:45:16,357
the album cover,
most of us didn't own suits.
878
00:45:16,381 --> 00:45:20,194
But bill Aucoin, our manager,
had closets full of suits.
879
00:45:20,218 --> 00:45:24,295
So we got suits from bill,
and I'm wearing my dad's shoes
880
00:45:24,447 --> 00:45:28,536
'cause all my shoes
at that point had 8-inch heels.
881
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,893
And that's all I had.
882
00:45:30,970 --> 00:45:33,040
And then we met
at Neil Bogart’s office
883
00:45:33,064 --> 00:45:34,950
at Casablanca Records.
884
00:45:34,974 --> 00:45:37,119
He said, "you guys know who
you are and all that stuff.
885
00:45:37,143 --> 00:45:39,143
"But you haven't told us.
886
00:45:39,295 --> 00:45:41,812
"Politicians
have a political platform.
887
00:45:41,965 --> 00:45:44,315
"Hamburgers can have
'have it your way.'
888
00:45:44,467 --> 00:45:46,628
"we don't know
what you stand for.
889
00:45:46,652 --> 00:45:48,964
You guys should write
an anthem."
890
00:45:48,988 --> 00:45:50,466
And I had never heard
that word before.
891
00:45:50,490 --> 00:45:51,951
And I didn't know what it meant.
892
00:45:51,975 --> 00:45:53,728
And said, "what do you mean
by an anthem?"
893
00:45:53,752 --> 00:45:56,753
And he said, "well,
sly and the family stone have
894
00:45:56,904 --> 00:46:00,642
"'I want to take you higher'
or 'Dance to the music, '
895
00:46:00,666 --> 00:46:03,904
songs their audience
identify with."
896
00:46:03,928 --> 00:46:06,170
Where the words tell people
897
00:46:06,322 --> 00:46:08,242
what you believe in
and who you are.
898
00:46:08,266 --> 00:46:11,768
And it was really perceptive,
the idea of having
899
00:46:11,919 --> 00:46:14,604
a rallying cry, a rallying song.
900
00:46:14,755 --> 00:46:17,084
And we went,
"oh, that's kind of cool."
901
00:46:21,929 --> 00:46:23,999
So Paul and I,
we started strumming guitar.
902
00:46:24,023 --> 00:46:25,426
"How about this?
How about that?"
903
00:46:25,450 --> 00:46:28,618
I had a song called
"drive me wild"
904
00:46:28,694 --> 00:46:34,698
about a girl as a car,
but it didn't have a chorus.
905
00:46:34,851 --> 00:46:37,772
And then Paul said,
"why not like a party song?"
906
00:46:37,796 --> 00:46:40,129
♪ The party's just begun,
we'll let you in ♪
907
00:46:40,281 --> 00:46:43,185
I wanted to be a preacher
of Rock 'n' Roll
908
00:46:43,209 --> 00:46:47,356
and sing about the glory
of this incredible music
909
00:46:47,380 --> 00:46:50,359
that celebrated life.
910
00:46:50,383 --> 00:46:52,344
But how do you put this
into a nutshell?
911
00:46:52,368 --> 00:46:54,811
How do you...
How concise can this be?
912
00:46:54,962 --> 00:46:56,457
And I picked up the guitar
and went...
913
00:46:56,481 --> 00:47:00,316
♪ I wanna rock and roll
all night ♪
914
00:47:00,467 --> 00:47:02,485
♪ and party every day ♪
915
00:47:02,562 --> 00:47:04,562
♪ I wanna rock and roll ♪
916
00:47:04,714 --> 00:47:07,468
So that it was emphatic,
and went right back to it.
917
00:47:07,492 --> 00:47:10,045
And when you stuck
those two bits together...
918
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:11,902
It was magic.
919
00:47:12,055 --> 00:47:17,386
♪ I wanna rock and roll
all night ♪
920
00:47:17,410 --> 00:47:19,480
♪ and party every day ♪
921
00:47:19,504 --> 00:47:21,337
It's just one of those songs.
922
00:47:21,414 --> 00:47:23,392
It's like "happy birthday."
923
00:47:23,416 --> 00:47:25,007
Basically says it all
in the title.
924
00:47:25,084 --> 00:47:27,729
And it's one way of looking
at the world, which is,
925
00:47:27,753 --> 00:47:30,193
"I want to Rock 'n' Roll all
night and party every day."
926
00:47:30,331 --> 00:47:31,641
There are some other problems
in the world
927
00:47:31,665 --> 00:47:32,901
that maybe we need to deal with,
928
00:47:32,925 --> 00:47:34,736
but that's for other bands.
929
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,907
I just wanna rock and roll
all night and party every...
930
00:47:38,931 --> 00:47:40,931
I've been there. It's fun.
931
00:47:41,084 --> 00:47:45,862
♪ I wanna
rock and roll all night ♪
932
00:47:46,013 --> 00:47:48,509
♪ and party every day ♪
933
00:47:48,533 --> 00:47:50,441
We thought it was gonna be
a big hit single,
934
00:47:50,593 --> 00:47:53,514
but it became
what's called a turntable hit.
935
00:47:53,538 --> 00:47:55,020
It got played a lot.
936
00:47:56,708 --> 00:47:58,791
But it didn't sell through.
937
00:48:00,527 --> 00:48:02,545
"Dressed To Kill" bombed.
938
00:48:04,457 --> 00:48:09,218
Neil had to resort to going
to certain people with vowels
939
00:48:09,370 --> 00:48:11,773
at the end of their last names...
940
00:48:11,797 --> 00:48:13,275
Let's not go farther than that...
941
00:48:13,299 --> 00:48:15,536
To borrow money.
942
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,279
He was calling in favors,
you know,
943
00:48:17,303 --> 00:48:18,688
"we'll make good
on this payment.
944
00:48:18,712 --> 00:48:20,857
But if you could give me
a few more months."
945
00:48:20,881 --> 00:48:24,475
At that point I think it was
a pretty precarious situation.
946
00:48:24,627 --> 00:48:28,145
Casablanca, they were really
down to the last dollar.
947
00:48:30,891 --> 00:48:33,295
We hadn't broken through
with records.
948
00:48:33,319 --> 00:48:37,154
We had three studio albums
that just didn't sell.
949
00:48:37,306 --> 00:48:38,489
They didn't go gold.
950
00:48:38,641 --> 00:48:41,325
And so the record company
just went,
951
00:48:41,477 --> 00:48:43,994
"well, you know, we don't want
to do another studio record.
952
00:48:44,147 --> 00:48:45,399
"It's gonna be too expensive.
953
00:48:45,423 --> 00:48:47,126
Let's just put out
a live record."
954
00:48:55,266 --> 00:48:58,008
The first three studio
albums really never captured
955
00:48:58,161 --> 00:49:01,771
the essence
of what the band was live.
956
00:49:01,847 --> 00:49:04,993
So we went back to Eddie Kramer.
957
00:49:05,017 --> 00:49:07,351
He was the right person
to do it.
958
00:49:07,503 --> 00:49:10,688
So I'm sitting in my office,
and I get a phone call.
959
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,334
"Hey, Eddie, it's Neil Bogart.
960
00:49:12,358 --> 00:49:15,262
Do you want to do
a Kiss album live?"
961
00:49:18,364 --> 00:49:21,457
The enormity of the sound,
you know, the fans
962
00:49:21,608 --> 00:49:25,628
the pa, the smoke, the bombs,
the blood coming from Gene.
963
00:49:25,779 --> 00:49:30,967
I mean,
it's a total immersion in Kiss.
964
00:49:31,043 --> 00:49:35,546
Trying to capture
that madness on tape,
965
00:49:35,698 --> 00:49:39,954
this is a big challenge.
966
00:49:39,978 --> 00:49:42,364
"Alive!" was the big gamble.
967
00:49:42,388 --> 00:49:44,366
If it didn't hit
with the seismic force
968
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:48,203
that Kiss needed and bill
Aucoin and Casablanca needed,
969
00:49:48,227 --> 00:49:50,508
I think the whole thing
would have went belly up.
970
00:49:58,387 --> 00:50:00,587
We want Kiss!
We want Kiss! We want Kiss!
971
00:50:00,647 --> 00:50:02,740
We want Kiss! We want Kiss!
972
00:50:02,892 --> 00:50:06,669
You wanted the best,
and you got it.
973
00:50:06,746 --> 00:50:09,580
The hottest band
in the land, Kiss!
974
00:50:20,910 --> 00:50:23,019
"Kiss alive!" When
you listen to those songs,
975
00:50:23,095 --> 00:50:26,000
they weren't reinventing
Rock 'n' Roll.
976
00:50:26,024 --> 00:50:29,003
They were just doing
their ballistic version of it,
977
00:50:29,027 --> 00:50:32,528
huge and live and Kiss.
978
00:50:32,605 --> 00:50:37,252
♪ Get up and get
your grandma outta here ♪
979
00:50:37,276 --> 00:50:39,755
Nobody would listen to that
and go,
980
00:50:39,779 --> 00:50:41,998
"gee, I went to a Kiss concert.
That's not what it was like."
981
00:50:42,022 --> 00:50:44,426
♪ Old Jim is workin' hard
this year ♪
982
00:50:44,450 --> 00:50:46,709
It is exactly what it was like.
983
00:50:46,786 --> 00:50:48,210
♪ Baby ♪
984
00:50:48,362 --> 00:50:50,379
But initially,
when we bring the tapes
985
00:50:50,531 --> 00:50:54,050
back to Electric Lady,
Gene and Paul said,
986
00:50:54,126 --> 00:50:56,605
"nah, we got
to make it sound bigger."
987
00:50:56,629 --> 00:51:00,130
We wanted to put you
in the center of the audience.
988
00:51:00,283 --> 00:51:02,299
We took every tape machine
that we could find
989
00:51:02,451 --> 00:51:05,561
in the building
and ran 100-foot loops of tape.
990
00:51:05,712 --> 00:51:10,399
And we had high screams,
low screams,
991
00:51:10,476 --> 00:51:12,810
clapping, all these
different things to just...
992
00:51:22,154 --> 00:51:25,392
We wanted you to hear
the chaos going around.
993
00:51:25,416 --> 00:51:30,230
But when you set off bombs,
microphones collapse.
994
00:51:30,254 --> 00:51:33,497
So we replaced them
with prerecorded Cannon.
995
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,258
Let me just say this,
996
00:51:36,410 --> 00:51:39,631
there is some contention
in the ranks
997
00:51:39,655 --> 00:51:41,408
as to how much overdubbing
was done.
998
00:51:42,992 --> 00:51:44,912
- Were there mistakes?
Sure.
999
00:51:44,936 --> 00:51:46,822
Do you want to hear a mistake
1000
00:51:46,846 --> 00:51:48,916
every time you listen to a song?
1001
00:51:48,940 --> 00:51:53,183
No. So wherever play needed
to be redone,
1002
00:51:53,336 --> 00:51:54,663
we replayed.
1003
00:51:54,687 --> 00:51:57,187
I can assure you,
in my memory banks,
1004
00:51:57,340 --> 00:52:00,116
it was a shitload of stuff
we had to do.
1005
00:52:00,267 --> 00:52:02,118
But it sounds great.
1006
00:52:02,194 --> 00:52:05,766
That album is considered one
of the greatest live albums
1007
00:52:05,790 --> 00:52:08,457
not because
it's exactly what happened
1008
00:52:08,609 --> 00:52:14,204
but because it captures
what a Kiss concert was and is.
1009
00:52:25,217 --> 00:52:27,643
So we finished the album;
We liked it.
1010
00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:30,312
And Neil Bogart calls me
and says, "hey, Gene.
1011
00:52:30,389 --> 00:52:31,850
"I've been talking
to your manager.
1012
00:52:31,874 --> 00:52:33,943
"He's not sending me
the master tapes.
1013
00:52:33,967 --> 00:52:36,152
I need that
to put the record up."
1014
00:52:36,228 --> 00:52:40,489
And I said,
"you owe us radio royalties.
1015
00:52:40,566 --> 00:52:43,362
Send the check,
and we'll send the tapes."
1016
00:52:43,386 --> 00:52:44,880
And I'll never forget this,
1017
00:52:44,904 --> 00:52:47,329
Neil Bogart,
who I thought was my friend
1018
00:52:47,481 --> 00:52:49,701
and was always a big supporter
and everything,
1019
00:52:49,725 --> 00:52:52,576
but I think was scared
to death, because he allegedly
1020
00:52:52,728 --> 00:52:54,373
and purportedly borrowed money
1021
00:52:54,397 --> 00:52:57,317
from the wrong kinds of people.
1022
00:52:57,341 --> 00:52:59,917
Well, Neil Bogart says,
"listen, asshole,
1023
00:53:00,069 --> 00:53:02,344
"you don't know
who you're dealing with.
1024
00:53:02,421 --> 00:53:04,922
"You're gonna send me
those tapes
1025
00:53:05,074 --> 00:53:06,902
or I'm gonna break your legs."
1026
00:53:06,926 --> 00:53:08,662
The rock album of the year,
1027
00:53:08,686 --> 00:53:11,929
"Kiss alive!" On Casablanca
records and tape.
1028
00:53:13,249 --> 00:53:14,598
We still didn't send the album
1029
00:53:14,750 --> 00:53:16,692
till he sent us the money.
1030
00:53:16,843 --> 00:53:20,749
"Kiss alive!" Came out and
took off like a bloody rocket.
1031
00:53:20,773 --> 00:53:22,813
♪ Wanna rock and roll
all night ♪
1032
00:53:22,925 --> 00:53:25,846
"Rock and roll all nite"
live version went top ten.
1033
00:53:25,870 --> 00:53:27,277
It was a hit.
1034
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:29,872
The studio version,
you know, it sounded okay.
1035
00:53:30,023 --> 00:53:31,593
But when you hear
the live version
1036
00:53:31,617 --> 00:53:33,929
and the audience just chanting
with them, come on...
1037
00:53:33,953 --> 00:53:37,379
♪ I wanna rock
and roll all night ♪
1038
00:53:37,531 --> 00:53:39,548
♪ and party every day ♪
1039
00:53:39,625 --> 00:53:42,604
You can't replace that.
1040
00:53:42,628 --> 00:53:46,129
That thing saved
the company's ass.
1041
00:53:46,282 --> 00:53:50,559
Less than two years ago,
Kiss came to Detroit.
1042
00:53:50,636 --> 00:53:53,562
And now they've sold
a million records.
1043
00:53:53,714 --> 00:53:56,877
"Kiss alive!" Sells a
million records right away.
1044
00:53:56,901 --> 00:53:59,568
We couldn't have done this
without Detroit!
1045
00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:02,646
We were the second
platinum album in history.
1046
00:54:02,798 --> 00:54:04,276
The first one was the eagles,
1047
00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:07,818
and within an hour,
"Kiss alive!"
1048
00:54:07,970 --> 00:54:10,153
We really love you!
1049
00:54:10,306 --> 00:54:12,990
That was the beginning.
1050
00:54:13,142 --> 00:54:14,286
What is most important to you,
1051
00:54:14,310 --> 00:54:15,993
the spectacle or the music?
1052
00:54:16,145 --> 00:54:18,047
- The audience.
- The audience?
1053
00:54:18,071 --> 00:54:19,975
How do you want
your ideal audience to feel
1054
00:54:19,999 --> 00:54:21,423
when you're finished with them?
1055
00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:22,500
Exhausted.
1056
00:54:24,503 --> 00:54:28,931
The connection between
the fans and the band comes
1057
00:54:29,008 --> 00:54:32,009
from a sense of reciprocity.
1058
00:54:32,161 --> 00:54:35,657
We give back what we are
given, and that snowballs.
1059
00:54:35,681 --> 00:54:37,940
You know, we've said it before.
1060
00:54:38,091 --> 00:54:39,753
And we're gonna say it again.
1061
00:54:39,777 --> 00:54:42,836
You people are number one!
1062
00:54:46,025 --> 00:54:47,190
We were having a great time.
1063
00:54:47,343 --> 00:54:49,504
We were really digging
being famous.
1064
00:54:49,528 --> 00:54:51,431
And it did happen quick
for Kiss.
1065
00:54:51,455 --> 00:54:53,492
We got together, I believe,
'71, '72,
1066
00:54:53,516 --> 00:54:57,178
and in '76 we were styling.
1067
00:55:02,300 --> 00:55:04,945
I think each one of us
was really digging
1068
00:55:04,969 --> 00:55:07,636
the limos and the dressing up
1069
00:55:07,713 --> 00:55:09,341
with the best in clothes
we could buy now.
1070
00:55:09,365 --> 00:55:11,118
We thought we were
the shit, really.
1071
00:55:11,142 --> 00:55:12,953
"Hide your daughters,
Kiss is in town."
1072
00:55:12,977 --> 00:55:16,812
A lot of people have come up
that want to taste the tongue.
1073
00:55:16,889 --> 00:55:18,489
Hobnobbing with all
the other rock stars.
1074
00:55:18,557 --> 00:55:21,870
It was very cool.
It was a very cool time.
1075
00:55:21,894 --> 00:55:24,653
But I wanted that high
all the time.
1076
00:55:24,730 --> 00:55:25,988
When we'd leave the stage,
1077
00:55:26,139 --> 00:55:27,709
I had to bring it back
to my room.
1078
00:55:27,733 --> 00:55:30,067
So I partied, and I just kept
taking it with me,
1079
00:55:30,219 --> 00:55:31,327
and that's dangerous.
1080
00:55:31,403 --> 00:55:33,198
You can't... you got to know
when to leave it
1081
00:55:33,222 --> 00:55:34,533
and when to have it.
1082
00:55:34,557 --> 00:55:36,239
The things that I sang about,
1083
00:55:36,392 --> 00:55:40,836
everything I envisioned
became real.
1084
00:55:40,913 --> 00:55:45,841
The kid who had to chase girls
wound up being chased.
1085
00:55:45,992 --> 00:55:49,920
And the kid who was not
popular became very popular.
1086
00:55:56,929 --> 00:55:58,573
- But when "Kiss alive!"
Came out
1087
00:55:58,597 --> 00:56:03,244
and became a big hit,
bill, in his wisdom, said,
1088
00:56:03,268 --> 00:56:06,695
"you might have
this huge success now.
1089
00:56:06,847 --> 00:56:09,918
"But you need
a great studio album,
1090
00:56:09,942 --> 00:56:13,088
not like the last few."
1091
00:56:13,112 --> 00:56:14,945
And in short order he said,
1092
00:56:15,097 --> 00:56:17,057
"and there's a guy
named Bob Ezrin.
1093
00:56:17,099 --> 00:56:19,282
He should be producing you."
1094
00:56:19,435 --> 00:56:23,212
He'd worked with Alice Cooper.
It was a big deal.
1095
00:56:23,363 --> 00:56:24,454
I was pretty successful.
1096
00:56:24,607 --> 00:56:26,647
I'd had a couple
of really big records.
1097
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:29,051
And I was pretty full of myself.
1098
00:56:29,202 --> 00:56:31,553
I thought I had the answers
to everything.
1099
00:56:31,705 --> 00:56:34,890
And that made me perfectly
suited to working with Kiss.
1100
00:56:34,967 --> 00:56:38,227
Bob really took us
to another level.
1101
00:56:40,305 --> 00:56:42,898
I learned a lot from Bob.
1102
00:56:42,975 --> 00:56:47,047
He opened my eyes to sonically
what was possible
1103
00:56:47,071 --> 00:56:49,107
with other instruments,
1104
00:56:49,131 --> 00:56:52,649
like with piano replicating
what a guitar was playing
1105
00:56:52,801 --> 00:56:54,243
to give it more depth.
1106
00:56:58,732 --> 00:57:03,085
We were venturing
into new areas for Kiss.
1107
00:57:03,162 --> 00:57:04,472
To me, their characters,
1108
00:57:04,496 --> 00:57:06,141
they were like
big-screen characters,
1109
00:57:06,165 --> 00:57:07,809
and I wanted to treat them
like that
1110
00:57:07,833 --> 00:57:10,000
in the music that we made.
1111
00:57:10,152 --> 00:57:13,095
So the stories we told
were more dramatic,
1112
00:57:13,172 --> 00:57:18,412
and they were about people
other than just themselves.
1113
00:57:18,436 --> 00:57:22,104
"Detroit rock city,"
that was like a mini symphony.
1114
00:57:22,255 --> 00:57:24,084
It's like a piece
of rock theater.
1115
00:57:24,108 --> 00:57:27,350
♪ I feel uptight
on a Saturday night ♪
1116
00:57:27,503 --> 00:57:30,279
He had so many creative ideas.
1117
00:57:30,355 --> 00:57:34,858
He was a big influence
musically, lyrically.
1118
00:57:35,010 --> 00:57:37,861
He'd say, "I don't like that
part, but I like that part."
1119
00:57:38,013 --> 00:57:41,364
"Okay, that's the verse;
Who's got the chorus?"
1120
00:57:41,517 --> 00:57:44,534
♪ you gotta lose your
mind in Detroit rock city ♪
1121
00:57:44,687 --> 00:57:46,128
♪ get up ♪
1122
00:57:46,205 --> 00:57:47,849
"And here's what the solo's
going to be."
1123
00:57:47,873 --> 00:57:48,873
♪ Ba-da-da-da ♪
1124
00:57:52,711 --> 00:57:55,971
Every note of that solo
was Bob Ezrin.
1125
00:57:56,048 --> 00:57:58,307
He told Ace what to play.
1126
00:57:58,383 --> 00:58:00,476
"Here's the Harmony part."
1127
00:58:00,627 --> 00:58:02,552
And it was great.
1128
00:58:02,705 --> 00:58:03,865
That was not a very
Rock 'n' Roll approach.
1129
00:58:03,889 --> 00:58:05,769
And to Ace's credit... I mean,
1130
00:58:05,874 --> 00:58:08,317
he was the most Rock 'n' Roll
guy of the group...
1131
00:58:08,393 --> 00:58:12,136
It just didn't
sit right with him.
1132
00:58:20,498 --> 00:58:23,718
The "Destroyer" sessions
were tough.
1133
00:58:23,742 --> 00:58:25,812
There was a lot of structure,
1134
00:58:25,836 --> 00:58:27,463
more structure
than they were used to.
1135
00:58:27,487 --> 00:58:28,837
And yes, I wore a whistle.
1136
00:58:28,989 --> 00:58:32,227
And yes, I used to blow it
to get their attention,
1137
00:58:32,251 --> 00:58:34,229
because we didn't have time
to mess around.
1138
00:58:34,253 --> 00:58:36,845
We had to move.
1139
00:58:36,922 --> 00:58:40,902
Paul and I liked
the "go back to rock school."
1140
00:58:40,926 --> 00:58:43,426
The other guys hated it.
1141
00:58:43,579 --> 00:58:47,742
And so we started
to see some difficulties.
1142
00:58:47,766 --> 00:58:51,246
People ask if I was aware of
the tensions within the band.
1143
00:58:52,938 --> 00:58:54,733
That's like saying, "well,
when you were walking through
1144
00:58:54,757 --> 00:58:57,177
"the train wreckage,
1145
00:58:57,201 --> 00:58:59,701
did you notice
that there was an accident?"
1146
00:59:02,689 --> 00:59:05,760
Bob kind of ran the show
like a dictator.
1147
00:59:05,784 --> 00:59:07,854
And we weren't used to that,
none of us were.
1148
00:59:07,878 --> 00:59:10,712
You know, we all have big egos.
1149
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:12,100
That's when you started to see
1150
00:59:12,124 --> 00:59:16,863
the first big problems
go down with Ace.
1151
00:59:16,887 --> 00:59:19,221
Ace was struggling a little bit.
1152
00:59:19,372 --> 00:59:22,224
You know, he partied a lot.
He was late coming in.
1153
00:59:22,375 --> 00:59:24,871
Sometimes he just didn't
show up on a session
1154
00:59:24,895 --> 00:59:27,137
where we were supposed
to be doing lead guitar.
1155
00:59:27,289 --> 00:59:28,471
I'm on the phone with Ace,
1156
00:59:28,624 --> 00:59:29,951
"you got to come down
and play a solo.
1157
00:59:29,975 --> 00:59:31,619
"You weren't here
for the tracks and everything.
1158
00:59:31,643 --> 00:59:33,863
You got to come down."
"Hey, I... I can't come down."
1159
00:59:33,887 --> 00:59:36,216
"Why not?"
"I got a card game."
1160
00:59:37,816 --> 00:59:40,295
So we got another
guitar player to come in
1161
00:59:40,319 --> 00:59:43,486
and play the parts,
which were great.
1162
00:59:43,639 --> 00:59:46,968
I think he started feeling
alienated and ganged up on.
1163
00:59:46,992 --> 00:59:49,084
And the truth is, he was.
1164
00:59:49,161 --> 00:59:52,065
I've never been high or drunk
in my life, just haven't.
1165
00:59:52,089 --> 00:59:53,308
Just never appealed to me.
1166
00:59:53,332 --> 00:59:57,904
So I never emotionally
understood it.
1167
00:59:57,928 --> 01:00:02,483
Really he was just being
what he was supposed to be.
1168
01:00:02,507 --> 01:00:05,601
He was supposed
to be a rock star.
1169
01:00:05,677 --> 01:00:07,655
And he was being a rock star.
1170
01:00:09,273 --> 01:00:14,610
And look, in New York in 1976
cocaine was everywhere.
1171
01:00:14,686 --> 01:00:18,592
Your dentist had it.
Your lawyer it.
1172
01:00:18,616 --> 01:00:21,450
Every rock star for sure
had access to it
1173
01:00:21,601 --> 01:00:23,285
whether they took it or not.
1174
01:00:23,362 --> 01:00:26,529
So yes, I had cocaine.
1175
01:00:26,682 --> 01:00:29,102
And yes, I recall
doing it together
1176
01:00:29,126 --> 01:00:31,293
with some of the members
of the band.
1177
01:00:31,370 --> 01:00:34,608
I was doing coke
trying to keep up with Ezrin,
1178
01:00:34,632 --> 01:00:35,832
which was an impossibility.
1179
01:00:35,874 --> 01:00:38,467
But I think, personally,
that album,
1180
01:00:38,543 --> 01:00:41,448
Ezrin did everything
perfect for it.
1181
01:00:41,472 --> 01:00:45,952
I have to say that any
drug use to me is excessive.
1182
01:00:45,976 --> 01:00:48,696
But Bob was
a functioning addict.
1183
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:52,481
He managed to do what needed to
get done and do it brilliantly.
1184
01:00:52,557 --> 01:00:57,297
He was... he was at the top
of his game.
1185
01:00:57,321 --> 01:00:59,207
"Destroyer" was far
beyond anything
1186
01:00:59,231 --> 01:01:02,377
we could have come up
with on our own.
1187
01:01:02,401 --> 01:01:07,382
Perfect proof
of that is "Beth."
1188
01:01:07,406 --> 01:01:11,144
I think it was bill Aucoin
who told me it was important
1189
01:01:11,168 --> 01:01:13,813
that there be one Peter Criss
song on every album.
1190
01:01:13,837 --> 01:01:19,007
It was just the political
reality of the band.
1191
01:01:19,159 --> 01:01:21,729
And one day Peter was riding
in the car with me,
1192
01:01:21,753 --> 01:01:24,658
and he starts humming,
"Beck," b-e-c-k.
1193
01:01:24,682 --> 01:01:27,402
Like, "oh,
it's a song called 'Beck.'"
1194
01:01:27,426 --> 01:01:29,663
I sung it to Gene one day,
and he liked it.
1195
01:01:29,687 --> 01:01:31,480
And then when Ezrin got it,
he said,
1196
01:01:31,504 --> 01:01:33,833
"well, we can't sing about
Jeff Beck.
1197
01:01:33,857 --> 01:01:36,503
We got to do something
about it. How about Beth?"
1198
01:01:36,527 --> 01:01:38,026
And I asked if it would be okay
1199
01:01:38,103 --> 01:01:41,007
if I took it home and worked
on it for a little bit.
1200
01:01:41,031 --> 01:01:42,734
And I know...
And it was very different
1201
01:01:42,758 --> 01:01:44,402
from anything
they had done before.
1202
01:01:44,426 --> 01:01:49,924
But I was convinced that that
song would touch everybody.
1203
01:01:49,948 --> 01:01:51,017
KSN in San Francisco.
1204
01:01:51,041 --> 01:01:52,427
Right now,
I want to play you a cut.
1205
01:01:52,451 --> 01:01:55,355
Disc jockeys started
playing "Beth."
1206
01:01:55,379 --> 01:01:57,212
It became massive.
1207
01:01:57,289 --> 01:02:00,123
"Destroyer" propelled us
to new heights of popularity.
1208
01:02:00,275 --> 01:02:02,270
I mean, "Beth won"
a people's choice.
1209
01:02:02,294 --> 01:02:07,556
- And the winner is...
Congratulations, "Beth."
1210
01:02:10,802 --> 01:02:12,728
That we won the award for "Beth"
1211
01:02:12,879 --> 01:02:15,546
for the best single in 1976.
1212
01:02:18,569 --> 01:02:20,271
- Anything goes.
We love you.
1213
01:02:20,295 --> 01:02:22,462
Rock and roll!
Thank you.
1214
01:02:28,487 --> 01:02:33,301
By '76, when "Destroyer"
and "Beth" became big hits,
1215
01:02:33,325 --> 01:02:35,803
our lifestyle
drastically changed.
1216
01:02:35,827 --> 01:02:37,972
Kiss, a world-renowned
rock group
1217
01:02:37,996 --> 01:02:39,236
that exploded out of nowhere.
1218
01:02:39,314 --> 01:02:40,589
All of a sudden,
1219
01:02:40,740 --> 01:02:42,810
we were one of the biggest
bands in the world.
1220
01:02:42,834 --> 01:02:44,904
Kiss is said to be sharing
the popularity
1221
01:02:44,928 --> 01:02:46,573
the Beatles enjoyed.
1222
01:02:46,597 --> 01:02:49,484
When I first realized how
big we were going to be...
1223
01:02:49,508 --> 01:02:51,077
A new breed of Rock 'n' Roll.
1224
01:02:51,101 --> 01:02:54,322
And that it was now out
of all of our hands...
1225
01:02:54,346 --> 01:02:55,270
- Kiss.
- Kiss.
1226
01:02:55,347 --> 01:02:56,491
- Kiss.
- Kiss.
1227
01:02:56,515 --> 01:02:58,515
It was frightening.
1228
01:02:58,667 --> 01:03:02,519
I liken it to being pulled up
on the roller coaster.
1229
01:03:02,671 --> 01:03:04,983
The chain is underneath,
and it's pulling you up,
1230
01:03:05,007 --> 01:03:08,002
and you know that when you get
to the top...
1231
01:03:08,026 --> 01:03:10,930
The view from up there,
breathtaking.
1232
01:03:10,954 --> 01:03:13,079
That's when the ride begins.
1233
01:03:15,017 --> 01:03:17,200
That's what it felt like...
1234
01:03:17,352 --> 01:03:18,846
Death-defying.
1235
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:21,296
Like all hell
was gonna break loose.
1236
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,481
♪ Well the night's begun,
and you want some fun ♪
1237
01:03:39,632 --> 01:03:41,202
♪ do you think
we're gonna find it? ♪
1238
01:03:41,226 --> 01:03:42,796
♪ Think you're gonna
find it ♪
1239
01:03:42,820 --> 01:03:48,898
From the time our first
record came out February 1974,
1240
01:03:49,051 --> 01:03:50,878
within a year and a half,
1241
01:03:50,902 --> 01:03:53,381
we were headlining
Anaheim stadium,
1242
01:03:53,405 --> 01:03:56,331
43,000-seater sold out.
1243
01:03:56,482 --> 01:03:59,167
Seems to be the rock group Kiss.
1244
01:03:59,319 --> 01:04:01,911
Kiss inspires
incredible passion.
1245
01:04:02,064 --> 01:04:03,708
But why Kiss?
1246
01:04:03,732 --> 01:04:05,173
'Cause that's what's in now.
1247
01:04:05,325 --> 01:04:09,678
♪ Shout it, shout it,
shout it out loud ♪
1248
01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:11,254
It's the Beatles in the '60s.
1249
01:04:11,406 --> 01:04:12,906
It's Kiss in the '70s.
1250
01:04:14,593 --> 01:04:17,997
There is a reason for the
extraordinary success of Kiss.
1251
01:04:18,021 --> 01:04:19,999
It has something to do
with their music.
1252
01:04:20,023 --> 01:04:21,334
But it has more to do
1253
01:04:21,358 --> 01:04:23,394
with the way
they are hyped and packaged.
1254
01:04:23,418 --> 01:04:25,602
That's the genius thing
1255
01:04:25,754 --> 01:04:27,362
about the band, the characters.
1256
01:04:27,513 --> 01:04:31,608
The makeup seemed to sort of
invent these personalities
1257
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,513
for each of them.
1258
01:04:33,537 --> 01:04:35,370
And offstage,
1259
01:04:35,521 --> 01:04:38,707
they were as mysterious
as they were on stage.
1260
01:04:38,783 --> 01:04:40,783
Any Kiss fan can tell you
you don't ever really
1261
01:04:40,936 --> 01:04:43,712
see these faces.
It's all part of the mystique.
1262
01:04:43,788 --> 01:04:45,191
Are you Gene?
1263
01:04:45,215 --> 01:04:46,934
Getting a picture of Kiss
without the makeup
1264
01:04:46,958 --> 01:04:49,384
was like getting
a picture of Bigfoot.
1265
01:04:49,461 --> 01:04:50,771
You're not Gene Simmons,
are you?
1266
01:04:50,795 --> 01:04:52,940
- No, I'm the bodyguard.
- Oh, my god.
1267
01:04:52,964 --> 01:04:54,797
We guarded our secret.
1268
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:58,112
And there was a $25,000 reward
on our heads.
1269
01:04:58,136 --> 01:05:00,061
"People" magazine got this
shot of Paul
1270
01:05:00,213 --> 01:05:03,451
and actually got the film
away from Paul’s bodyguard.
1271
01:05:03,475 --> 01:05:04,452
What, if somebody
gets a picture,
1272
01:05:04,476 --> 01:05:05,734
you take the camera away?
1273
01:05:05,885 --> 01:05:07,288
- Yeah.
- It's really that important.
1274
01:05:07,312 --> 01:05:08,570
Is that part of the mystique?
1275
01:05:08,647 --> 01:05:09,905
Yeah, mystique.
1276
01:05:10,056 --> 01:05:11,459
Their fantasies
and the characters
1277
01:05:11,483 --> 01:05:13,794
that we're portraying,
they always must be character.
1278
01:05:13,818 --> 01:05:17,579
This idea,
"you'll only exist in makeup."
1279
01:05:17,656 --> 01:05:19,080
As disappointing as it was
1280
01:05:19,157 --> 01:05:21,583
that we weren't gonna be
recognized on the street...
1281
01:05:21,660 --> 01:05:23,060
So what is it like for you
walking
1282
01:05:23,145 --> 01:05:25,420
down the street with no makeup?
1283
01:05:25,497 --> 01:05:26,588
It worked.
1284
01:05:26,739 --> 01:05:29,090
I really don't look
that different.
1285
01:05:29,242 --> 01:05:31,202
You know,
I'm not quite this pale.
1286
01:05:34,990 --> 01:05:36,839
We became so famous, so big,
1287
01:05:36,992 --> 01:05:40,510
so fast, you know,
it was just complete insanity.
1288
01:05:40,662 --> 01:05:42,771
All right, New York!
1289
01:05:42,922 --> 01:05:45,515
I remember we sold out
Madison square garden
1290
01:05:45,667 --> 01:05:48,109
for three nights.
1291
01:05:48,186 --> 01:05:49,778
♪ I really love ya baby ♪
1292
01:05:49,929 --> 01:05:53,615
Then we sold out five nights
at the Budokan in Tokyo.
1293
01:05:53,766 --> 01:05:55,670
♪ Let's get together baby ♪
1294
01:05:55,694 --> 01:05:57,619
The Beatles had one day less.
1295
01:05:57,770 --> 01:05:59,766
We broke the Beatles' record.
1296
01:05:59,790 --> 01:06:02,457
Not past the Beatles,
'cause I love the Beatles.
1297
01:06:02,534 --> 01:06:04,345
They're my favorite band.
1298
01:06:04,369 --> 01:06:08,371
But we are a band.
We do cause insanity.
1299
01:06:10,133 --> 01:06:12,445
I haven't seen that
since the Beatles.
1300
01:06:12,469 --> 01:06:15,545
♪ Love Gun ♪
1301
01:06:15,697 --> 01:06:19,527
Ironically, no matter
how successful we became,
1302
01:06:19,551 --> 01:06:21,551
part of the appeal of the band
1303
01:06:21,703 --> 01:06:25,146
was in being a member
of a black sheep society,
1304
01:06:25,298 --> 01:06:28,725
no matter how big it was,
because there was still
1305
01:06:28,877 --> 01:06:33,040
a lot of people
and critics who didn't like us.
1306
01:06:33,064 --> 01:06:37,826
The Beatles, the animals,
rock group of the 1960s
1307
01:06:37,977 --> 01:06:40,017
whose boyish looks
and innovative music
1308
01:06:40,071 --> 01:06:43,498
made young hearts pound
and older Generations cringe.
1309
01:06:43,649 --> 01:06:45,667
It's the late 1970s now, though,
1310
01:06:45,818 --> 01:06:47,335
when teenage musical taste
1311
01:06:47,412 --> 01:06:50,149
have gone from boyish
to the bizarre.
1312
01:06:52,676 --> 01:06:54,676
Kiss isn't music;
They're theatrics.
1313
01:06:54,753 --> 01:06:57,345
They're a whole bunch of things.
1314
01:06:57,497 --> 01:06:58,847
Kiss always had
1315
01:06:58,998 --> 01:07:00,809
an adversarial relationship
with rock critics.
1316
01:07:00,833 --> 01:07:02,759
Some critics say,
"they don't make music.
1317
01:07:02,911 --> 01:07:04,722
They just make noise."
1318
01:07:04,746 --> 01:07:06,390
But Kiss was never
a critics' band.
1319
01:07:06,414 --> 01:07:08,576
It always was a people's bad.
1320
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:10,266
They self-identified as a band
1321
01:07:10,418 --> 01:07:12,488
that would go over
and above for the fans.
1322
01:07:12,512 --> 01:07:14,415
Critics have blasted
the group for engaging
1323
01:07:14,439 --> 01:07:16,606
in nuclear-level
prepubescent hype.
1324
01:07:16,758 --> 01:07:19,367
Kiss is going to have
its own comic book soon
1325
01:07:19,519 --> 01:07:21,611
printed in real Kiss blood.
1326
01:07:21,763 --> 01:07:23,112
Isn't that wonderful?
1327
01:07:23,265 --> 01:07:24,947
Real classy act, guys.
1328
01:07:25,100 --> 01:07:29,210
T-shirts and books. T-shirts.
1329
01:07:29,287 --> 01:07:34,215
I've heard, I've read,
"oh, those marketing geniuses."
1330
01:07:34,292 --> 01:07:36,626
When we first started,
we were four idiots
1331
01:07:36,778 --> 01:07:38,272
off the streets of New York
1332
01:07:38,296 --> 01:07:40,722
who didn't have a clue.
1333
01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:43,224
Bill Aucoin was far ahead of us.
1334
01:07:43,301 --> 01:07:47,448
It was his vision
to merchandise the band.
1335
01:07:47,472 --> 01:07:49,230
All the sheer excitement of Kiss
1336
01:07:49,307 --> 01:07:52,975
is yours to capture
with the Kiss radio.
1337
01:07:53,128 --> 01:07:57,383
I remember the Kiss radio.
1338
01:07:57,407 --> 01:07:58,481
Yep, that's it.
1339
01:07:58,633 --> 01:08:00,553
That's a Kiss radio
right up there.
1340
01:08:00,577 --> 01:08:02,797
So when I was a kid,
I was like, "oh, my god.
1341
01:08:02,821 --> 01:08:07,082
"I want a Kiss radio so bad.
1342
01:08:07,233 --> 01:08:08,561
Like, I need the Kiss radio!"
1343
01:08:08,585 --> 01:08:10,752
Get your Kiss radio.
1344
01:08:10,903 --> 01:08:16,257
So like a dumbass, I order
it COD without telling my mom.
1345
01:08:16,334 --> 01:08:18,979
They charge you on delivery.
The guy comes to the door.
1346
01:08:19,003 --> 01:08:20,631
And I'm like,
"it's my Kiss radio."
1347
01:08:20,655 --> 01:08:22,149
And he's like, "this is a COD."
1348
01:08:22,173 --> 01:08:25,912
My mom's like, "I didn't order
a Kiss radio."
1349
01:08:25,936 --> 01:08:28,603
So I never got it. That one,
someone gave that to me.
1350
01:08:30,332 --> 01:08:31,809
But come on,
when it comes to, like,
1351
01:08:31,833 --> 01:08:33,274
branding and merchandising...
1352
01:08:33,351 --> 01:08:35,110
Kiss!
1353
01:08:35,186 --> 01:08:37,498
Nobody can out-merch Kiss.
1354
01:08:37,522 --> 01:08:38,947
This is Kiss.
1355
01:08:39,098 --> 01:08:41,449
Put them in any
crazy pose you want.
1356
01:08:41,526 --> 01:08:42,951
Kiss your face.
1357
01:08:43,102 --> 01:08:44,746
Introducing
Kiss your face makeup.
1358
01:08:44,770 --> 01:08:46,006
Kiss your face makeup
is from remco.
1359
01:08:46,030 --> 01:08:47,007
Yeah.
1360
01:08:47,031 --> 01:08:48,790
Kiss t-shirts, Kiss buttons,
1361
01:08:48,941 --> 01:08:52,293
Kiss hats, Kiss lookalikes,
the young fans.
1362
01:08:52,445 --> 01:08:54,462
Our mantra and our way
of thinking
1363
01:08:54,614 --> 01:08:58,277
was that you're not forcing
anybody to have something.
1364
01:08:58,301 --> 01:09:01,672
You're denying them
if you don't give it to them.
1365
01:09:01,696 --> 01:09:02,949
Kiss is number one.
1366
01:09:02,973 --> 01:09:04,714
It only got bigger and bigger
and bigger.
1367
01:09:04,866 --> 01:09:07,308
This was I would
guess about 60 or 70...
1368
01:09:07,385 --> 01:09:09,438
You want to try it on?
It has Kiss on the back.
1369
01:09:09,462 --> 01:09:11,365
We made a fortune.
1370
01:09:11,389 --> 01:09:12,608
- What are we talking about?
What does...
1371
01:09:12,632 --> 01:09:14,185
What does Kiss Generate a year?
1372
01:09:14,209 --> 01:09:17,226
About $117 million.
1373
01:09:17,379 --> 01:09:19,320
117 million.
1374
01:09:26,070 --> 01:09:28,329
Gene Simmons has that one
crazy room in his house
1375
01:09:28,481 --> 01:09:32,408
that has, like,
every Kiss product in history.
1376
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,723
It's crazy.
It's like a museum times ten.
1377
01:09:37,916 --> 01:09:40,842
We make everything from
Kiss condoms to Kiss caskets.
1378
01:09:40,993 --> 01:09:43,214
Altogether now,
we'll get you coming,
1379
01:09:43,238 --> 01:09:44,490
and we'll get you going.
1380
01:09:46,424 --> 01:09:49,996
We've literally had thousands
of licensed products.
1381
01:09:52,189 --> 01:09:54,349
But again,
with anything to do with Kiss,
1382
01:09:54,416 --> 01:09:57,336
you're talking about different
personalities within the band.
1383
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:00,247
First, when it
was happening, I thought
1384
01:10:00,271 --> 01:10:02,566
"well, that's kind of
a cool thing, like a lunchbox.
1385
01:10:02,590 --> 01:10:04,402
I'll carry one of those
around myself."
1386
01:10:04,426 --> 01:10:05,920
I thought it was cute.
1387
01:10:05,944 --> 01:10:08,203
And then more
and more cute things,
1388
01:10:08,354 --> 01:10:10,424
I called them,
starting to happen,
1389
01:10:10,448 --> 01:10:12,040
and I realized that the band,
1390
01:10:12,116 --> 01:10:15,021
this kick-ass band that came
from the streets of New York,
1391
01:10:15,045 --> 01:10:18,858
we lost our edge;
We were becoming dolls.
1392
01:10:18,882 --> 01:10:21,194
We always had a message, Kiss,
and it was totally
1393
01:10:21,218 --> 01:10:23,270
to rock and roll all night
and party every day.
1394
01:10:23,294 --> 01:10:24,755
And that was going out
the window,
1395
01:10:24,779 --> 01:10:25,940
and I saw it and I hated it.
1396
01:10:25,964 --> 01:10:27,924
We weren't a rock band anymore.
1397
01:10:27,949 --> 01:10:29,260
I called bill Aucoin
and told him
1398
01:10:29,284 --> 01:10:31,893
that this is terrible.
1399
01:10:31,970 --> 01:10:36,231
Once money and fame
and licensed products came in,
1400
01:10:36,307 --> 01:10:39,103
we started to move away
from the magic
1401
01:10:39,127 --> 01:10:40,643
that was all four of us.
1402
01:10:40,795 --> 01:10:41,811
We love you!
1403
01:10:41,963 --> 01:10:47,742
That certainly was
the crack widening.
1404
01:10:47,819 --> 01:10:50,245
Now mix in drugs.
1405
01:10:50,396 --> 01:10:51,871
Rock 'n' Roll!
1406
01:11:03,167 --> 01:11:06,906
1977, we're at the peak
of our popularity,
1407
01:11:06,930 --> 01:11:09,822
but there was trouble
in paradise.
1408
01:11:18,257 --> 01:11:23,194
No matter what anybody says,
fame is a very powerful drug.
1409
01:11:26,174 --> 01:11:28,950
It can kill your creativity.
1410
01:11:29,027 --> 01:11:33,507
It can kill your desire
to progress.
1411
01:11:33,531 --> 01:11:37,344
I don't think anybody
goes through it unscathed.
1412
01:11:37,368 --> 01:11:40,795
All of a sudden,
I wake up one day,
1413
01:11:40,946 --> 01:11:42,608
there's these people
blowing smoke up wherever
1414
01:11:42,632 --> 01:11:44,110
and telling me I'm the greatest.
1415
01:11:44,134 --> 01:11:46,779
Peter Criss, drummer
1416
01:11:46,803 --> 01:11:50,621
and also singer on one
just beautiful song.
1417
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,194
There's girl's fainting
when I'm singing "Beth"
1418
01:11:54,218 --> 01:11:56,644
and crying, and...
1419
01:11:56,721 --> 01:11:58,866
I didn't know how to handle it.
1420
01:11:58,890 --> 01:12:00,648
When we became
really successful,
1421
01:12:00,725 --> 01:12:02,520
everybody was going
their own way.
1422
01:12:02,544 --> 01:12:04,038
We lost some of that
collective thought
1423
01:12:04,062 --> 01:12:06,357
that we had in the beginning
and that magic.
1424
01:12:06,381 --> 01:12:08,323
It started to fade.
1425
01:12:08,474 --> 01:12:13,714
Sometimes people talk about,
"oh, fame changed so and so."
1426
01:12:13,738 --> 01:12:16,164
Fame doesn't change you.
1427
01:12:16,315 --> 01:12:18,395
It allows you to be
the asshole you are.
1428
01:12:22,914 --> 01:12:25,151
We both grew up
with the attitude
1429
01:12:25,175 --> 01:12:29,822
that Rock 'n' Roll
was an attitude.
1430
01:12:29,846 --> 01:12:34,660
The alcohol and the drug use
and the dysfunctional stuff
1431
01:12:34,684 --> 01:12:36,425
started to hit the band heavy.
1432
01:12:36,578 --> 01:12:38,331
Let's just say
I'm the Keith Richards
1433
01:12:38,355 --> 01:12:41,575
of Rock 'n' Roll in America.
1434
01:12:41,599 --> 01:12:42,932
As far as Ace...
1435
01:12:43,084 --> 01:12:44,912
Ace Frehley on lead guitar!
1436
01:12:44,936 --> 01:12:46,747
We couldn't rely on him
anymore...
1437
01:12:48,272 --> 01:12:51,199
For anything.
1438
01:12:54,445 --> 01:12:58,114
When you're in the studio and
you have to get a part done
1439
01:12:58,266 --> 01:13:01,450
before the person
who's playing it passes out,
1440
01:13:01,603 --> 01:13:03,269
that's really a shame.
1441
01:13:05,623 --> 01:13:08,586
Yes, it was sad.
1442
01:13:08,610 --> 01:13:11,105
It was also a drag.
1443
01:13:11,129 --> 01:13:13,221
- What do you represent?
- Destruction.
1444
01:13:13,297 --> 01:13:16,035
- Destruction?
- Yeah.
1445
01:13:16,059 --> 01:13:17,778
- Yeah?
- I'm a drummer.
1446
01:13:17,802 --> 01:13:20,931
If we stood in front
of the drums during a concert,
1447
01:13:20,955 --> 01:13:23,376
he threw sticks at us.
1448
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:27,235
In his mind, the entire area
in front of the drums
1449
01:13:27,311 --> 01:13:30,216
was a no-fly zone.
1450
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,126
Insane.
1451
01:13:32,150 --> 01:13:36,630
Peter was undependable,
was erratic, dark cloud,
1452
01:13:36,654 --> 01:13:39,730
didn't show up at meetings,
all that stuff.
1453
01:13:40,583 --> 01:13:42,750
Ace and I, we looked at it
as it was a party.
1454
01:13:42,827 --> 01:13:44,788
Rock 'n' Roll
was to let it all go,
1455
01:13:44,812 --> 01:13:47,163
hang out, have a great time.
1456
01:13:47,315 --> 01:13:48,959
It had nothing to do
with sitting in the office
1457
01:13:48,983 --> 01:13:50,310
with a shirt and tie
1458
01:13:50,334 --> 01:13:52,427
and figuring out
what beat goes where.
1459
01:13:52,503 --> 01:13:55,132
What's great about
Rock 'n' Roll is performing,
1460
01:13:55,156 --> 01:13:56,800
what sucks is the traveling
1461
01:13:56,824 --> 01:13:59,825
and all the other bullshit
besides performing.
1462
01:14:02,013 --> 01:14:05,418
There were two sides
to Ace and Peter.
1463
01:14:05,442 --> 01:14:08,328
I'll always love Ace and Peter
in the early days.
1464
01:14:10,171 --> 01:14:11,612
They had the drive.
1465
01:14:11,764 --> 01:14:13,333
"Nothing's gonna stop me.
I'm gonna make it."
1466
01:14:13,357 --> 01:14:17,004
And onstage, rock stars.
1467
01:14:17,028 --> 01:14:18,764
They gave it their all.
1468
01:14:18,788 --> 01:14:23,699
But as success and money
and fame started to come in,
1469
01:14:23,851 --> 01:14:25,108
they succumbed to it.
1470
01:14:28,539 --> 01:14:34,004
I have to say, in all honesty,
I did too.
1471
01:14:34,028 --> 01:14:35,781
I succumbed to fame
1472
01:14:35,805 --> 01:14:39,882
but not with chemicals
and alcohol but with ego.
1473
01:14:40,034 --> 01:14:41,695
What a way to make a living.
1474
01:14:41,719 --> 01:14:45,204
Grand delusions of myself.
1475
01:14:46,724 --> 01:14:52,206
Power, money, and girls.
1476
01:14:52,230 --> 01:14:53,562
My ambitions grew bigger.
1477
01:14:53,715 --> 01:14:55,968
My appetite grew more.
1478
01:14:55,992 --> 01:14:58,045
If a day went by and I didn't
have companionship,
1479
01:14:58,069 --> 01:14:59,546
it was a disaster.
1480
01:14:59,570 --> 01:15:01,048
Hey, if you thought you saw
another celebrity
1481
01:15:01,072 --> 01:15:03,309
in the audience tonight,
you probably did.
1482
01:15:03,333 --> 01:15:04,718
Cher Bono was here.
1483
01:15:04,742 --> 01:15:07,168
I started seeing Cher
at the time
1484
01:15:07,319 --> 01:15:09,482
and then her best friend Diana,
1485
01:15:09,506 --> 01:15:11,063
which that didn't last long.
1486
01:15:13,843 --> 01:15:16,563
It's easier to look
at somebody who's suffering
1487
01:15:16,587 --> 01:15:18,491
from alcohol and drugs
and kind of say,
1488
01:15:18,515 --> 01:15:21,090
"you got a problem, buddy."
1489
01:15:21,242 --> 01:15:25,331
Mine was more hidden,
being full of myself.
1490
01:15:25,355 --> 01:15:27,596
That's what it was.
1491
01:15:27,749 --> 01:15:32,509
We were a bunch of guys
hiding behind masks.
1492
01:15:33,938 --> 01:15:39,011
In my case,
it was you're Superman,
1493
01:15:39,035 --> 01:15:40,513
and you're on stage,
1494
01:15:40,537 --> 01:15:43,112
and you're the envy
of the people who are there.
1495
01:15:43,264 --> 01:15:45,765
But nobody knew.
1496
01:15:47,785 --> 01:15:50,211
I had this deformity,
1497
01:15:50,288 --> 01:15:52,955
born basically
without a right ear.
1498
01:15:53,107 --> 01:15:56,103
Even the band had no idea.
1499
01:15:56,127 --> 01:16:00,774
Gene didn't know about my ear,
because I covered it so well.
1500
01:16:00,798 --> 01:16:03,110
And I grew my hair
past my shoulders,
1501
01:16:03,134 --> 01:16:05,946
how I listened to people,
tilting my head.
1502
01:16:05,970 --> 01:16:09,116
It was this big secret that
was at the core of my being.
1503
01:16:09,140 --> 01:16:10,472
But I tell you,
1504
01:16:10,625 --> 01:16:14,121
it's this crowd that's gonna
burn this place down.
1505
01:16:14,145 --> 01:16:17,291
I was still very much
the same guy that I had been
1506
01:16:17,315 --> 01:16:19,459
before the band succeeded.
1507
01:16:19,483 --> 01:16:22,296
The only difference was,
now I was famous,
1508
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:24,965
and I had this persona.
1509
01:16:24,989 --> 01:16:27,560
Is everybody ready?
1510
01:16:27,584 --> 01:16:31,085
So the stage
was not only my escape,
1511
01:16:31,162 --> 01:16:33,624
but it's where I wanted to live.
1512
01:16:33,648 --> 01:16:36,591
Rock 'n' Roll!
1513
01:16:36,667 --> 01:16:39,760
Anytime I was home, I hated it.
1514
01:16:39,837 --> 01:16:42,241
I would be just counting
the days
1515
01:16:42,265 --> 01:16:43,909
until we would hit
the road again.
1516
01:16:43,933 --> 01:16:46,320
Rock 'n' Roll!
1517
01:16:46,344 --> 01:16:47,580
And that didn't make it
1518
01:16:47,604 --> 01:16:50,271
any easier
for the guys in the band.
1519
01:16:50,422 --> 01:16:53,493
The band was pushing the limit.
1520
01:16:53,517 --> 01:16:55,017
When you're in love,
you overlook
1521
01:16:55,169 --> 01:16:56,944
all the potential problems
1522
01:16:57,021 --> 01:16:59,833
and the foibles,
although the signs were there.
1523
01:16:59,857 --> 01:17:02,094
You work around it.
1524
01:17:02,118 --> 01:17:05,745
But we were about
to go over the cliff.
1525
01:17:24,957 --> 01:17:26,785
"Kiss Meets The Phantom,"
1526
01:17:26,809 --> 01:17:29,513
that incredible
piece of celluloid.
1527
01:17:35,300 --> 01:17:38,152
We had been told,
"this is gonna be 'Star Wars'
1528
01:17:38,303 --> 01:17:40,321
meets 'A Hard Day's Night.'"
1529
01:17:40,472 --> 01:17:42,709
um, hardly.
1530
01:17:45,161 --> 01:17:46,530
By that time, the band literally
1531
01:17:46,554 --> 01:17:49,238
wasn't talking to each other.
1532
01:17:49,390 --> 01:17:50,884
None of us had read the script.
1533
01:17:50,908 --> 01:17:53,479
It was a disaster
waiting to happen.
1534
01:17:53,503 --> 01:17:55,889
We've got to get out of here.
1535
01:17:55,913 --> 01:17:57,246
Leave it to me, Starchild.
1536
01:17:57,398 --> 01:17:59,134
I'll bend these beams
with my mind.
1537
01:17:59,158 --> 01:18:02,418
Sometimes we would be
on the set shooting.
1538
01:18:02,570 --> 01:18:06,013
And Ace or Peter
would disappear.
1539
01:18:06,165 --> 01:18:10,904
They'd literally leave the set,
and we'd have stand-ins.
1540
01:18:12,596 --> 01:18:13,740
And in some of the scenes,
1541
01:18:13,764 --> 01:18:16,576
you can see that it's not them.
1542
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:23,531
At the end of filming, there
was a meeting held backstage,
1543
01:18:23,607 --> 01:18:26,108
and Ace made the announcement
1544
01:18:26,260 --> 01:18:28,703
that he has to leave the band.
1545
01:18:28,779 --> 01:18:32,206
- "I want a solo career.
I want to write my own songs.
1546
01:18:32,283 --> 01:18:33,541
I'm leaving the band."
1547
01:18:33,692 --> 01:18:35,429
On the way out, he turned to me
1548
01:18:35,453 --> 01:18:38,432
and he said, "I'm gonna sell
10 million albums."
1549
01:18:38,456 --> 01:18:41,290
I said, "Ace, you can have
your solo career
1550
01:18:41,442 --> 01:18:42,586
"and you can be in the band.
1551
01:18:42,610 --> 01:18:44,196
Have your cake
and eat it too."
1552
01:18:44,220 --> 01:18:48,630
The idea was maybe we could
let this blow over and heal.
1553
01:18:48,783 --> 01:18:51,967
Let's all take time
from each other.
1554
01:18:52,119 --> 01:18:53,728
And let's all do solo records.
1555
01:18:53,879 --> 01:18:56,116
And we'll bring 'em all out
on the same day.
1556
01:18:57,883 --> 01:19:01,455
The Kiss albums, one by
each of the four Kiss stars
1557
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:03,439
on Casablanca Records and tapes.
1558
01:19:05,390 --> 01:19:10,652
We're gonna turn the
microphone over to Ace Frehley.
1559
01:19:10,805 --> 01:19:13,967
♪ Many years
since I was here ♪
1560
01:19:13,991 --> 01:19:16,492
I was really resistant
to record "New York groove"
1561
01:19:16,644 --> 01:19:18,160
on my solo album.
1562
01:19:18,312 --> 01:19:22,590
It wasn't indicative of any of
the other songs on my record.
1563
01:19:22,666 --> 01:19:23,832
♪ Here I am ♪
1564
01:19:23,985 --> 01:19:25,070
But Eddie Kramer
talked me into it.
1565
01:19:25,094 --> 01:19:26,572
He goes,
"Ace, this is a great song."
1566
01:19:26,596 --> 01:19:29,816
And it gave me
a lot more confidence.
1567
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,767
♪ You'd better believe
I'm back ♪
1568
01:19:32,843 --> 01:19:34,510
♪ back in the New York groove ♪
1569
01:19:34,662 --> 01:19:35,989
The Beatles "White Album,"
1570
01:19:36,013 --> 01:19:37,916
it's when the Harrison
finally broke out
1571
01:19:37,940 --> 01:19:39,810
and Ringo finally did his thing.
1572
01:19:39,834 --> 01:19:41,587
We're doing it now.
1573
01:19:41,611 --> 01:19:42,813
One of the things
that I realized
1574
01:19:42,837 --> 01:19:44,481
with the success
of my solo record,
1575
01:19:44,505 --> 01:19:47,615
that I was probably more
creative away from those guys.
1576
01:19:47,691 --> 01:19:48,986
They were always making me feel
1577
01:19:49,010 --> 01:19:50,487
like maybe I wasn't good enough.
1578
01:19:50,511 --> 01:19:53,028
♪ I feel so good tonight ♪
1579
01:19:53,180 --> 01:19:54,622
Ace's solo record,
1580
01:19:54,773 --> 01:19:57,511
those songs would have been
great tracks on a Kiss record.
1581
01:19:57,535 --> 01:19:59,938
♪ You better believe
I'm back ♪
1582
01:19:59,962 --> 01:20:02,516
A band, I believe,
nine out of ten times
1583
01:20:02,540 --> 01:20:05,778
is always stronger
than a solo performer.
1584
01:20:05,802 --> 01:20:07,854
But we had no choice.
1585
01:20:07,878 --> 01:20:11,547
The solo albums, they were
like a little band-aid
1586
01:20:11,699 --> 01:20:13,619
to put on this gushing wound.
1587
01:20:13,643 --> 01:20:16,385
♪ I'm back ♪
1588
01:20:16,537 --> 01:20:19,625
Now, four, five months ago,
"Newsweek" magazine called
1589
01:20:19,649 --> 01:20:22,224
disco the entertainment
phenomena of the '70s.
1590
01:20:22,376 --> 01:20:24,652
- It's here to stay, isn't it?
- Absolutely.
1591
01:20:24,803 --> 01:20:26,843
Discos are replacing
the nightclubs.
1592
01:20:26,881 --> 01:20:28,841
They are becoming
the nightclubs.
1593
01:20:30,309 --> 01:20:33,138
Casablanca Records became
the preeminent
1594
01:20:33,162 --> 01:20:34,903
disco label anywhere,
1595
01:20:35,056 --> 01:20:38,165
Donna Summer,
the village people, and so on.
1596
01:20:38,317 --> 01:20:40,887
Towards the end of the '70s,
we had very little to do
1597
01:20:40,911 --> 01:20:42,389
with Casablanca.
1598
01:20:42,413 --> 01:20:45,172
From my recollection,
they seemed more concerned
1599
01:20:45,249 --> 01:20:47,486
with when the blow was arriving.
1600
01:20:47,510 --> 01:20:48,821
- Let's dance.
- Let's dance.
1601
01:20:48,845 --> 01:20:50,085
Music.
1602
01:20:52,073 --> 01:20:55,591
Kiss, it's the album
you've waited two years
1603
01:20:55,743 --> 01:20:56,903
to hear, Kiss "dynasty."
1604
01:20:57,002 --> 01:21:00,020
♪ I was made
for lovin' you, baby ♪
1605
01:21:00,172 --> 01:21:01,575
♪ you were made ♪
1606
01:21:01,599 --> 01:21:03,410
Dynasty is a real reflection
of where music was
1607
01:21:03,434 --> 01:21:05,100
at that time.
1608
01:21:05,252 --> 01:21:08,103
Disco was the rage, and Kiss
was kind of at a crossroads.
1609
01:21:08,255 --> 01:21:11,198
♪ Can you get enough
of me tonight? ♪
1610
01:21:11,350 --> 01:21:12,941
♪ Tonight ♪
1611
01:21:13,094 --> 01:21:15,755
Could you explain why you
changed from rock to disco?
1612
01:21:15,779 --> 01:21:18,350
I don't really think that we
made any drastic change.
1613
01:21:18,374 --> 01:21:22,376
The song you're referring to
as disco is really rock-disco.
1614
01:21:22,453 --> 01:21:24,189
♪ Tonight ♪
1615
01:21:24,213 --> 01:21:25,858
"I was made for loving you."
1616
01:21:25,882 --> 01:21:28,026
It didn't really
sound like Kiss.
1617
01:21:28,050 --> 01:21:29,884
It had more of a dance feel.
1618
01:21:30,035 --> 01:21:32,219
But it was something
we couldn't say no to.
1619
01:21:32,371 --> 01:21:36,724
It was a no-brainer.
This was a monster hit.
1620
01:21:36,875 --> 01:21:38,353
♪ I was made
for loving you ♪
1621
01:21:38,377 --> 01:21:41,228
The problem was that
it pushed us into territory
1622
01:21:41,380 --> 01:21:42,766
that we hadn't been.
1623
01:21:42,790 --> 01:21:44,640
And this is gonna be
your favorite song?
1624
01:21:44,792 --> 01:21:47,902
- Yep, the first one.
"I was made for loving you."
1625
01:21:48,053 --> 01:21:50,123
"I was made for loving you."
1626
01:21:52,057 --> 01:21:53,534
All of a sudden,
they went from being this
1627
01:21:53,558 --> 01:21:55,150
kind of underground
1628
01:21:55,302 --> 01:21:59,391
New York punk band
to being in "sixteen" magazine
1629
01:21:59,415 --> 01:22:01,226
and "tiger beat,"
and all of a sudden
1630
01:22:01,250 --> 01:22:02,953
the little kids
started liking them.
1631
01:22:02,977 --> 01:22:04,545
- They're just fantastic.
We all love them.
1632
01:22:04,569 --> 01:22:05,713
There's no other group
like them.
1633
01:22:05,737 --> 01:22:07,162
They're just the best.
1634
01:22:07,314 --> 01:22:09,831
I like Kiss, because they got
a hard-driving rock beat.
1635
01:22:09,984 --> 01:22:12,812
We found ourselves
trying more and more
1636
01:22:12,836 --> 01:22:15,504
to appeal to a larger group.
1637
01:22:15,656 --> 01:22:17,409
It became evident and clear
1638
01:22:17,433 --> 01:22:19,578
just by looking out
into the audience.
1639
01:22:19,602 --> 01:22:22,489
You started to see
five-year-old kids show up.
1640
01:22:22,513 --> 01:22:26,515
There were people certainly
who saw it as selling out.
1641
01:22:26,667 --> 01:22:27,811
The only upside was that
1642
01:22:27,835 --> 01:22:32,332
there were a lot
of single moms showing up.
1643
01:22:32,356 --> 01:22:34,259
It's not cool when you're 18
to go to a concert
1644
01:22:34,283 --> 01:22:36,836
and have old people
and little kids there.
1645
01:22:36,860 --> 01:22:38,655
- I enjoyed it.
It was exciting.
1646
01:22:38,679 --> 01:22:39,787
It was not "cool."
1647
01:22:39,863 --> 01:22:42,105
We were no longer the band
we had been.
1648
01:22:46,278 --> 01:22:50,943
The look of the band
reflected who we had become.
1649
01:22:50,967 --> 01:22:56,378
And that was neutered,
glamorous, kind of a cross
1650
01:22:56,530 --> 01:23:01,642
between Vegas showgirls
and a Disney picture.
1651
01:23:01,793 --> 01:23:04,456
That's who we were at that time.
1652
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:09,127
We were in the midst
of a tumultuous period.
1653
01:23:09,151 --> 01:23:11,819
We were lost.
1654
01:23:11,970 --> 01:23:18,734
We were keeping the band
together by very thin threads.
1655
01:23:18,886 --> 01:23:21,473
Ace and Peter were going
through bad behavior,
1656
01:23:21,497 --> 01:23:23,216
drugs, alcohol, and stuff.
1657
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,390
It's like getting ready
for surgery.
1658
01:23:27,336 --> 01:23:29,147
"Getting ready for surgery."
1659
01:23:29,171 --> 01:23:30,724
Historically, Ace and Peter
1660
01:23:30,748 --> 01:23:34,082
would keep their problems
off to the side.
1661
01:23:34,235 --> 01:23:36,989
Okay. Time to Rock 'n' Roll.
1662
01:23:37,013 --> 01:23:40,088
By the time we did
Tom Snyder's show,
1663
01:23:40,241 --> 01:23:42,758
well, it turned out horrible.
1664
01:23:42,910 --> 01:23:45,093
Now here are the remarkable
members of Kiss.
1665
01:23:45,246 --> 01:23:46,981
And first of all,
Mr. Gene Simmons,
1666
01:23:47,005 --> 01:23:49,059
who is the bass player,
Mr. Peter Criss,
1667
01:23:49,083 --> 01:23:50,894
who is the drummer,
Mr. Paul Stanley,
1668
01:23:50,918 --> 01:23:52,100
who is the guitarist,
1669
01:23:52,253 --> 01:23:53,839
and Ace Frehley,
who is the lead guitarist.
1670
01:23:53,863 --> 01:23:56,363
- I'm not the lead guitarist.
I'm the trap player.
1671
01:23:58,367 --> 01:24:00,587
Although it's fun
to look at today and people
1672
01:24:00,611 --> 01:24:02,611
get a kick out of it,
1673
01:24:02,763 --> 01:24:05,947
really what was going on was,
we had a member
1674
01:24:06,100 --> 01:24:07,340
who literally didn't show up
1675
01:24:07,434 --> 01:24:09,746
till the last minute
and showed up drunk.
1676
01:24:09,770 --> 01:24:12,880
I think this outfit
is self-explanatory.
1677
01:24:14,792 --> 01:24:19,197
When you see Peter laughing,
it's really reveling in seeing
1678
01:24:19,221 --> 01:24:22,034
how it's affecting Gene and I.
1679
01:24:22,058 --> 01:24:24,444
It wasn't about it being funny.
1680
01:24:24,468 --> 01:24:28,948
It was about the joy
in seeing us squirming.
1681
01:24:28,972 --> 01:24:32,066
When you see the audience
going crazy,
1682
01:24:32,217 --> 01:24:33,453
what goes through your minds?
1683
01:24:33,477 --> 01:24:35,235
When you see
all these people screaming
1684
01:24:35,312 --> 01:24:36,790
and crying and all that...
1685
01:24:36,814 --> 01:24:38,458
Screaming and crying.
1686
01:24:38,482 --> 01:24:40,402
"Why did I spend
all that money?"
1687
01:24:42,803 --> 01:24:46,580
As TV, the fans loved it,
because they love the drama
1688
01:24:46,731 --> 01:24:50,751
of Ace being completely drunk
saying crazy stuff.
1689
01:24:50,902 --> 01:24:52,252
Ace is back in his house.
1690
01:24:52,404 --> 01:24:54,974
I mean, the thing that makes
people on a highway stop
1691
01:24:54,998 --> 01:24:56,757
is a wreckage.
1692
01:24:56,908 --> 01:24:58,795
The bloodier it is
and the worse it is,
1693
01:24:58,819 --> 01:25:00,313
the more people
want to stop and watch.
1694
01:25:00,337 --> 01:25:02,930
SpAce bear. The only
spAce bear in captivity.
1695
01:25:03,006 --> 01:25:05,432
I got him. He's captured.
1696
01:25:05,584 --> 01:25:08,435
Needless to say,
I was really angry.
1697
01:25:10,088 --> 01:25:12,180
It had reached a point
in the band
1698
01:25:12,333 --> 01:25:15,350
where you just kind of
shrugged your shoulders
1699
01:25:15,502 --> 01:25:19,613
and hoped for the best
and realized the worst.
1700
01:25:22,434 --> 01:25:24,618
Our philosophy was always,
1701
01:25:24,769 --> 01:25:26,506
whatever is going on
in the band,
1702
01:25:26,530 --> 01:25:29,123
you leave it at the bottom
of the stairs.
1703
01:25:29,274 --> 01:25:32,938
When you go up on stage,
you're Kiss.
1704
01:25:32,962 --> 01:25:36,296
We have to put an end to this.
1705
01:25:36,448 --> 01:25:41,802
Marriages don't last;
Friendships don't last.
1706
01:25:41,953 --> 01:25:44,546
But somehow bands
are supposed to last forever.
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