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Welcome please, Paula Yates. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

This programme contains strong language and reference to suicide

Well, Paula, I must say, I found this a fascinating book,

but it is rather an unusual subject, isn't it?

Yeah. What gave you the inspiration to write this book?

What happened in the first place was I was trying to think of a way

I could get my picture on a book. Right.

I wasn't bothered about writing anything or anything else,

I just wanted to have a photo session.

How do you approach a rock star and ask him

to pose in his underpants?

It's quite hard. You get them drunk and say, "Get them off."

LAUGHTER

Why did you stop at the underpants?

Cos I don't wanna see their willies. I mean...

She said she was laying in bed one morning and she saw

a pair of Bob's underpants at the end the bed, over some post

on the end of the bed and she thought, "That'd be a good idea.

"Get them all to wear their underpants and make a book."

She did it. You know, that was Paula.

What she went out to do, she did.

Which is your favourite picture in the book?

My... I mean, there's quite a few to choose from.

My cover picture's my favourite picture.

OK, well thanks a lot for coming in and, uh,

I really enjoyed seeing your book. Hope I can take a picture of you

in your underpants some day. Um, Graham.

Did she enjoy being famous? No, she loved being famous.

In them days, she loved it. She had columns everywhere.

She'd have been on all the shows. She loved talking.

Paula Yates was probably, next to Princess Diana,

the most famous female in England.

Paula Yates is probably better known

for her private life than for her TV career.

The rock star, Michael Hutchence,

was found hanging from a door in a Sydney hotel room.

I remember walking into the room and the room was just

completely still and Paula was sitting at this table,

her kind of general demeanour was just...lost.

I mean, she just seemed tired and lost.

I realised that whatever happened, wherever these interviews took us,

that she would always be honest.

Well, Paula, I know that you write a column for a music paper

and it's a very sharp... I find it a very amusing column, I love it.

And I wondered why a lady who writes as well as you do would want to do

a nude photo layout like you did for Penthouse. Was it...?

To make money. To make money. Just for the money?

Yeah. Cos you didn't even have on underpants.

No, but I didn't realise my backside would look like

a scalded ham when I did it.

LAUGHTER

Yeah, that's what I thought. I thought,

"Well, here's this beautiful girl posing in Penthouse and yet,

"when she takes pictures of rock stars,

"they've got their knickers on...

"..and you didn't."

I wish you hadn't thought that, in fact, Jackie.

Well, I don't know. I think...

Jackie Collins wrote novels.

Loads of them, to huge acclaim, enormous success,

and earned herself a great deal of money just through

the power of her pen.

So I think what Jackie Collins is trying to say to Paula Yates here,

under the guise of, "Hey, we're all part of the sisterhood, you know?

"It's really great to see you here, you know,

"I really admire what you've written.

"So why did you get your butt out?

"Why did you need to be naked?"

And really, my...my view about this, my response to this is,

what's it got to do with Jackie Collins?

What's in your future, Paula? What do you want to do?

In the near future? Uh-huh.

Well, I'd like to do a cat food commercial and...

LAUGHTER I'm serious.

Paula, it was very nice to talk to you tonight. Thank you very much.

Thanks a lot.

You know, Paula Yates would be one of the first feminists

to realise that going on television or standing up in the media

and trying to talk about anything to do with women

and supporting them in their lot goes down very badly.

You've had what could be called a colourful career.

I mean, with pop and lingerie and perfume and motherhood now.

Motherhood's the thing, isn't it, for you? You've found your niche?

Um, yeah, I think...I think that I like it very much

and I think that one of the nice things about it is

the more children you have,

the more you realise how fantastic it can be at home.

And so, with my new book, Terry.

Oh.

Not another one!

I know. I was actually loathe to say it,

but the new book, one of the things that primarily it's about is

the fact that in the media nowadays, lots of people, they really plug

how great it will be for women to be out there working,

and it's very rarely said how great it can be at home.

So this is from Paula Yates' book, The Fun Starts Here -

a practical guide to the bliss of babies.

"Many couples have found that their lovemaking difficulties arose

"because they always made love once they went to bed.

"And of course, as any new mother will tell you,

"the minute she's in bed, she's unconscious.

"Sometimes, merely changing the routine by either

"going to bed earlier or making love in different places removes

"the pressures of the bedroom.

"Just talking to your partner about how you feel means that neither

"of you will allow misconceptions to blow up out of all proportion.

"Keep communication open at all times

"and have sex on the kitchen table."

I mean, I think, to me, that shows all the kind of contradictions

and complexities of Paula Yates, because in that one paragraph,

you can see that she, A, is kind of acknowledging that

it's not all that sexy to be a new parent,

B, you're knackered, you're absolutely exhausted,

sex is the lowest, lowest thing on your list,

but C, she's gotta put have sex on the kitchen table

to give it that sort of Paula-esque flourish.

But as with many parts of her life, you're not sure she really means it

and you're not sure it's all that sincere

and you're not sure she'd even think of taking her own,

in inverted commas, advice.

There are a thousand books put out like this a year now.

You now, this is Paula talking about breastfeeding

and your pelvic floor and getting your body back

and trying to shag when you've just had a baby

and trying to stay sexy and the monotony but also the joys

of being in the house and is it nice to be a housewife?

And, like, what does housewife mean?

And you know, this...this is the bloody bread and butter

of what every women's magazine is about now. You know?

And she got so much crap for it.

I've read in one of the papers today, the journalist was saying

how she was ready to knock your head off. I know!

Because she felt, you know, it was anti-feminist

and all the rest of it.

You've no time for, or at least, you're for... I don't know that...

You're for women staying at home with...with the babies.

I think that it's not at all anti-feminist and I think that

the whole point of feminism was surely that instead of

trying to have it all and juggling everything, you know,

you go out to work, you have your time with the baby,

and then you have to do all the washing-up

because your husband won't do it, cos husbands don't.

Well, it's true, isn't it?

Everyone always pretends that there's new men.

There are no new men. APPLAUSE

There's no... And I'm not being sexist.

Most men, they don't do nappies, they don't wash bottoms.

They don't wash their own bottom if they can avoid it. LAUGHTER

You know, it's ridiculous.

You'd see Paula, she'd have a basket in one hand and

a baby on the other.

And she was tiny. I don't know how she did it.

Cos she was tiny and she'd...

"Oh, give me your bag. No, I'm fine, I'm fine."

Cos it would balance her out.

Paula was a friend of mine and I was a make-up artist.

We met 19...1992, '93 and stayed friends with her ever since.

How was she different on camera?

Or her persona, how was she different to...to in real life?

She was quieter in real life and she was quite,

you know, she loved being with the kids. She was a mum.

When you read some of the books, it's all about the village life

and, you know, baking cakes and that was her, like, you know, escape.

Sounds like a really innocent time.

It was.

When does that start to change

and how did you see that affecting Paula?

When she got together with Michael.

That's when everyone seemed to go for her.

It was very much like she was the bad person.

She'd destroyed her life.

And then, you know, things happened.

Detectives say they're baffled about the circumstances of the death

of the lead singer of the group INXS.

The rock star Michael Hutchence was found in a Sydney hotel room.

There was a number of prescribed medications located at

the scene and they were taken by the scientific police.

Are we talking syringes or...?

I'm talking about prescribed medication.

I got a phone call about two in the morning.

It was John Martin, who was the INXS tour manager.

And he said he'd been trying to get hold of Paula,

but no-one's answering the phone, and Michael's dead.

And I went, "Oh, my, God. I need to get to Paula's."

So I got to Paula's - I had a key.

I let myself in and as I opened the door, Paula was on the steps.

I said, "It's Michael."

And she just said, "No, no, no."

And literally punched me and said, "Please don't say that.

"Don't say it, don't say it."

I have to stop.

London is just waking up to this tragic news

and the reaction already is one of deep shock.

At the couple's home in London, Ms Yates was said to be devastated.

And by this time there was...

I mean, the street was full of press.

Anthony Burton, who's... Well, he's a solicitor and great friend,

had gone out and given a statement.

She's devastated. If there was anything further to say

when we've learned more, then it will be said,

but not at this stage.

And I took the children to Bob's house.

I would ask that you do not even take photographs

of them getting into the car and going off.

And I was driving down the King's Road back to the house

and on the radio it said

that Michael Hutchence had been found hanged.

And I was... I...I stopped the car and I was like,

"Oh, my, God. Oh, my, God."

I...just presumed that it was a drugs overdose.

No one had said anything to me about anything else.

She was completely distraught and she said,

"He wouldn't have left me. He wouldn't have left our baby."

And it was then tabloid frenzy.

Do me a favour, can you please go to the end of the road? Please.

You know, she walked out of that house to go to the airport

and it was like everybody was there.

All wanting a story. All wanting an angle on something.

You know, the press had decided that she didn't qualify

being allowed any respect, really.

What she had in her was just drained.

You can only take so much.

And I think, you know, look at what she took.

That night, what a fucking night that was.

The longest journey for Paula Yates began at her London home tonight.

Grieving for Michael Hutchence and accompanied by their daughter,

she headed for a flight to Australia.

I mean, even on the plane, journalists,

because they'd all booked the same flight,

and even on the plane, they wanted a comment.

You're like, "Really? Really?"

The waiting press saw nothing of her at Sydney Airport.

This the only glimpse as she arrived at the morgue.

She'd wanted to see her partner's body.

Michael's body was cremated.

The ashes, we're being told that Paula Yates is taking those back

to the UK with her and her 16-month-old daughter, Tiger Lily.

They're reportedly flying home tomorrow.

When we came back from Australia, after the funeral,

there was a load of press outside the house.

They said they were about to reveal a secret.

Something about her mum and dad.

The whole thing just seemed like when you really, really thought

it couldn't get any worse, it absolutely got

to the worst point possible.

# It's a grand night for singing

# The moon is flying high... #

So, explain to me Jess Yates.

Jess Yates was this kind of avuncular figure,

like a kind of aging country priest or vicar

who presented this programme called Stars on Sunday.

He was completely light entertainment, brackets religious.

Ha! If you can imagine that.

So...so that was Jess Yates.

You know, the romance of the sea is never very far away

here in Llandudno.

He was like this kind of religious father figure on TV

and that was his image, basically.

Paula, I think she always kind of gravitated towards her father

cos her father always seemed to be the more solid figure.

Paula Yates, your mother was...

Yeah, my mother was very glamorous in that very sort of 1960s way

and used to trot off to Paris to buy her underwear,

which when you live in Snowdonia is fairly unusual.

And your father, what was he like?

Well, my father when I was very small was...a manic depressive

so he had enormous mood swings all the time.

Um, but he was also extremely funny.

So it was a sort of odd combination between when he was low,

he would be entirely silent, sometimes for months on end,

and when he was up again, he, er, was this great raconteur.

So what was your life like with him in the house as a child?

What did he do?

He...he had a Mighty Wurlitzer, you'll be glad to know.

Um, which I think lots of people have suspected.

And...and he played that a lot. I mean a lot at night.

How did Paula find out about her dad?

Well, when we came back after the funeral,

there was a load of press outside the house and when I arrived,

there was a Conservative MP who lived just down the road

who'd been found shagging somebody on Hampstead Heath or something,

I can't remember what it was,

and so I thought that they were there for that story.

And Paula wasn't in the house, so why were they outside?

But, you know, they were always outside.

So I went in and when they came out, they asked me

where Paula was and was she coming back.

And I said, "What's this about?"

And they said they wanted to speak to her about

the fact that Hughie Green might be her father.

LAUGHTER

What do you mean, "Ha-ha-ha"?

Hughie Green was razzmatazz, a little bit in your face...

Contestant number one, Carol Walters.

..little bit sort of lecherous, who always had girls, if I remember.

So, I remember speaking to Paula and her saying,

"Oh, my, God. What, you know, what are they going to make up next?"

She said we're going to sue.

So she said, "Please could you call my mother?"

Because they weren't speaking.

So I rang Helene and I asked her outright. I said,

"Have you ever slept with Hughie Green?"

And she said, "Absolutely not. I've never slept with Hughie.

"This is an outrage. They shouldn't be allowed to say this."

And I said, "OK. Thanks, that's great. That's all I wanted to hear."

And I told Paula and she said, "Fine...

"..we're going to sue. I told you Hughie wasn't my father.

"Jess Yates is my father and he will always be my father."

And obviously the DNA test came back and Hughie was her father.

It's Hughie Green! That's who it is!

And she was beyond upset about it.

She loved her dad very much.

It really was, I mean, I described it at the beginning of that

as a blow on a bruise. Cos that's what it felt like to me.

She'd lost Michael and shortly afterwards had this.

It almost seemed like some unknown force was just making life

as...as absolutely awful as possible for her.

And I must admit that that was the first time,

I think, where I genuinely began to worry a...a bit about her

and how things might go for her because I just thought,

"Where...where do you go from here?"

Absolutely extraordinary.

Yeah. It was...it was really beyond and

I think life was pretty horrendous at that time and that was probably

her lowest, lowest point, I would say.

And then...

..you know, she started to take Prozac.

She would take Valium.

A lot of the time I felt...

..like she might never be the same again.

I think she felt that too.

I mean, it's so difficult, it's such a dark time,

but is it gradually getting any easier at all?

In a way, part of what this is about is that, particularly in that era,

there wasn't room for people to say this is too much or you know,

we certainly didn't know about the impact of the press

on people's mental health.

Oh, I think the press have a huge amount to answer for.

I mean, the stuff that they wrote was, A, incredibly unkind

and, B, mainly not true.

Back in the '80s and the '90s, these columnists were

the...the...the cornerstone of the newspaper.

Anne Robinson, people like that, you know, I remember hearing that

they were on six figure fees.

What was it about Paula that meant that other women

maybe criticised her?

For a start, I think that, you know, Paula was sexy and gorgeous

in a way that probably got women's backs up.

Trying to bring women down a peg or two, it's what women often do.

But then, she gave them endless material.

You know, the thing also about being a columnist,

and I have had columns like this,

is that you desperately want it because the money's really good.

Paula Yates is a gift.

It's literally like going to the slot machine

and putting your coin in and it coming out gold.

Do you ever look back on any of your own writing?

I remember reading those early columns that you would write

and they were, you know... Yeah. ..great at that biting wit. Yeah.

You know, what I wrote in my 20s and early 30s,

I...I look back at a lot of it now and...and think...

"It made people laugh, but at what expense?"

I mean...

This is harassment on a horribly emotional level.

But it...it is interesting that people feel that it's OK

to have a running commentary on someone else's life without

actually thinking any deeper about their emotions or their feelings.

Just for the sake of a little bit of gossip, a little bit of

what can we talk about at the dinner party?

Oh, did you see what Paula Yates did today?

It's people's lives and it's just a load of bollocks.

The problem is...is if somebody says it and they say it enough times

and they write it down, it becomes true.

I mean, if you make people's everyday life,

just going to the shop, taking a kid to school hell,

of course that's going to have an effect.

because you don't want to leave the house.

You're like, I just don't want to go out there and face that.

Really? I didn't know it was this bad.

You know, she used to ring me at two or three in the morning.

She used to say to me, "Belinda, he...he did love me, didn't he?"

And I'd be like, "Yes Paula, he did love you."

And she said, "This is what keeps me up at night, do you know?"

And it was really heartbreaking.

Whatever people say about our snowflake generation,

there's no way that somebody appearing on a red carpet

in the same...in the way that Paula started in her worst times,

would be laughed at, and jeered at and made into news.

Whereas back then, her decline, it was treated with glee.

Long before Michael Hutchence died, Paula Yates was already involved

in a long custody battle with her ex-husband, Sir Bob Geldof.

Today, confirmation she lost that fight.

Her three children to Sir Bob will now live with their father

for most of the year.

Oh, we'll have to drink something else now.

HE LAUGHS

You haven't got another glass, have you?

Shall I do that?

Oh, I want it to be jolly.

You're in the best mood I've ever encountered you, actually, Paula.

Oh, yes, can we have a...a nice bottle of champagne?

Oh, well, I think we should go for the Bollinger, shouldn't we?

Two glasses. Lovely, thank you.

Let's see if there's anything we haven't covered.

I think we've talked about just virtually everything.

Was she struggling with alcohol at this point?

Well, we were all struggling with alcohol.

You know, I never noticed it because I used to drink quite a lot anyway.

I gave up six years ago, but I did used to drink quite a lot,

to be honest, and it was part of being a journalist to drink,

so I didn't really... I didn't really notice if someone would order

a bottle of champagne. I couldn't care less.

Order as many as you like, basically.

Looks interesting.

When you met her, did she drink?

No, she never drank. She was a famous teetotal in those days.

I mean, there's the advert she did with Oliver Reed...

Masson Montreux vineyards.

..and she's having a glass of wine and he said,

"Oh, I didn't think you drank." And she said,

"This is...

..99.5% alcohol free.

But yes, she was very famously teetotal.

I suppose, you know, Michael Hutchence's death

was so awful, and I think she really was struggling.

Really, really struggling. Um, I think drink was taking her

out into sort of spaces where she wouldn't normally have gone and,

um, Belinda always said to me that her drinking had got a lot worse

and actually it was...it was a kind of new phenomenon in Paula's life

because she'd never been a drinker, not really.

And I can't remember ever reading anything in the past

about her drinking.

So, yeah, I think probably there was quite a bit of drinking going on.

"Traumatic years that have left her broken."

Well, that's true and these guys didn't help.

You know, people handle grief in different ways, so she would...

She'd...she'd drink to forget.

She's grieving for the love of her life, so...

And for the loss of her life and many other things

that were going on.

Do you see parallels in both of your hedonism

and where that went?

Em, we were...we were...

Yeah, we were, I suppose, seeking glorious escape.

I think that we both needed looking after, you know?

She was very secretive about all of that stuff, you know,

it wasn't something that she shared.

And by shared I don't mean share the drugs, I just mean shared

what she was actually doing cos, erm, I just thought it was

recreational party drugs.

Because she was dead opposed to...coke!

Like, if I...if I was taking coke, I'd feel bad about

taking coke because, in front of her,

because she was just like, "Dickheads take coke,"

which is true.

Erm, but, you know, she was secret squirrel.

I mean, six months ago, you were...you were described as

having had virtually agoraphobia. Mm.

What actually happened?

Keep moving through, please.

You mean as in you and Bob?

That...that was a... That was a happy Paula, you know.

That was...that was more the Paula I...I would say

that I was kind of used to.

And part of the reason for that I think is

because she was just such good company.

You wanted to be around her, you know.

When... I used to do the interviews and when I'd finished

the interview I'd be sorry it was over.

You know, I always was, always.

Those...those interviews went on and on and on.

You look really good.

You look up and look like you're buzzing and everything, you know.

You're back presenting and that. Yeah. You...you pleased about that?

Erm, well it was a bit nerve-wracking being back at work.

Why? Em, cos I hadn't worked for five years and I wasn't really,

you know, in the frame of mind to go initially back.

And then, I got asked to do this thing about boy bands.

I think with the boy bands and that, compared to them

and things like that.

I don't think... I don't know cos I...I don't really look at bands

particularly, now. I'm cured of bands.

What...what...what you into now? What? Footballers.

Don't get into footballers. LAUGHTER

No, no, you get involved with footballers, man,

you know, they tell you a whole lot of lies

and in the morning you'd find that they just wanna leave.

Really? Ah, maybe I might be telling you something you don't know.

Well, I always thought they were just smooth-talking,

poetry-loving guys with a big six-pack.

Well, I'm a smooth-talking,

poetry-loving guy. But I'm badder than that.

You got a giant six pack, haven't you? No, I haven't.

Mmm, that's interesting, isn't it? Yeah.

Paula bought a house in Hastings by the sea.

Really nice little house.

And she loved that.

I think she felt kind of safe there.

And she started writing again.

She was going to turn all the things that she'd experienced

and all the things she'd learnt from Michael's death into a novel.

Tell me about the writing, then.

Who was this?

HE LAUGHS

Unbelievable.

Oh, and you say it started in the mortuary.

What's it like thinking back to that period now?

Now looking at it, I can't believe how she actually dealt with it

at the time and came through it.

And she had... She'd really got herself... She loved going

to Hastings and that was where I probably had some

of the nicest times with her.

Took Tiger on the beach, went and got fish and chips

cos it's famous for its fish and chips, Hastings.

Sat, chat...chatted, always chatted about Michael.

She was going to do a new book.

You know, she'd really got herself...

She'd been clean for two years.

So she really... She'd really got herself together.

This was a little bolt-hole of some sort, was it?

Did anyone ever find you there?

Press weren't there?

So we came back I think on a Tuesday at Charing Cross station

and then, said goodbye to her and then the next time I saw her was...

..after she'd died.

Well, what do you think?

I mean, people keep saying to me, you know...

This afternoon, the body of Paula Yates was removed from

her home in Notting Hill, West London.

A friend who called to see her this morning found her in bed.

Scotland Yard said her death was being treated as suspicious.

Police arrived at the scene and life was pronounced extinct at 11:15am.

The body has been taken to Westminster mortuary

and there will be a post-mortem examination and an inquest.

Was it a shock when she died?

Oh.

Yeah, of course.

Yeah, it was a major shock. Erm...

Cos I'd seen her the night before.

Yes, it was a shock, and it was definitely an accident.

There's no way, no way on earth I could ever imagine her

doing something like that.

I'd been for a run and I came back and my phone just had

a load of messages in it.

"Have you heard about Paula?"

I thought, "What's she done now?"

She wanted to move on with her life

and probably when she died is the best place I've seen her,

ironically, for a very long time.

And, you know, as the coroner said, had she been an habitual drug user,

this would not have killed her.

But she took illegal drugs for the first time in two years

and your body says, "No, I don't want it."

And...so she died.

Yeah, it was a big shock.

Her inquest heard in recent months she had been back on track,

relaunching her career.

One witness said she was fed up to be back in London

but all said she had stopped taking drugs.

And it was an intolerance to drugs that cost her her life.

Paula Yates took some heroin, her body couldn't handle it

and she died.

The coroner said her behaviour was foolish and incautious,

but he couldn't accept that she would take her life while

her daughter was in the house.

He recorded a verdict of death after non-dependent abuse of drugs.

For the next five months, you're going to be able to see live music,

interviews, my stomach getting bigger week by week.

In fact things that have never before seen on a live TV show.

She should be remembered as a vivacious trailblazer

to a million little girls.

That there is an exciting fabulous life out there and

you should give precisely no shits what anyone thinks about you.

With interviews I tend to...just ask what I want to know and

I want to know what Cliff Richard does in his spare time

just as much as I want to know what sort of a kisser Simon Le Bon is.

Well, that was a good link, you see, from Steve to Duran Duran

who are sitting here. I'll just move my leg.

Oh, get off. And now, tell me a bit about your video project

I've been hearing a lot about.

Oh, we don't wanna talk about videos.

We thought this was supposed to be full of trivia

and trite and sexual innuendo, you know.

I'm moving on to the trite sexual innuendo in a minute.

She was such a flirt. She'd ask questions that

you wouldn't be able to ask them questions today of these people

because it would be stopped straight away. It wouldn't be aired.

It took a great amount of prayer to get Sting

into his trousers for this interview.

He spent the last 15 minutes in his dressing room

with a greased shoehorn.

But now, before anymore girls faint, here is the man

that Elvis Costello once said, "Should be told

"to stop singing in that silly Jamaican accent."

You know, she was fun, she was just... She was fun to be with.

Journalist, photographer and fab girl about town, Paula Yates.

I don't think of her death, really. I...I think of her as being alive.

It's Paula... It's Paula because she was so alive.

Oh, I'm always going to remember a fun aspect of her,

this bundle of energy and frivolity.

# You know how I feel... #

I believe that she was some type of goddess.

# You know how I feel... #

She was very, very much about a woman being her own self.

And she was bright enough and eloquent enough to do that.

Because, I mean, women all looking in the mirror

and inevitably think that they're fat and repellent.

Whereas men look in the mirror and they think,

"Hey, I'm pretty gorgeous." Really? Yeah.

She was such a ground-breaking person in her day and,

you know, brought such a joy to the screen...

I was always involved with the sort of poetical, droopy types,

sort of like Jeremy Irons without trousers.

LAUGHTER

Sadly I never actually came across Jeremy Irons without his trousers.

But I tried hard.

..and paved the way for lots of other people in this day and age

who, you know, wouldn't be able to do the kind of presenting

that they do if Paula hadn't done it first.

Now this is a fantastic moment for me because it is

the first time ever that somebody has come three times on the bed.

Now give me some marriage tips, big boy.

All right.

She was part of that movement that was the change in TV.

Ding dong.

So I've heard.

She was...absolutely one of a kind.

Few people realise but my links with the Mods started

before I was even born when Pete Townshend asked my mother out.

You know I could imagine her being, like, for instance a brilliant

interviewer on Desert Island Discs, for instance.

# Oh, freedom...#

No one could do... Could talk to people the way Paula did.

# And I know how I feel...#

She could be pretty much all things to all people.

She could be wicked, rude, crude.

She could be incredibly, incredibly intelligent.

You know, you really did not know with her, I think, the person that

you were going to get but you did know it was never

going to be boring.

# And I'm feeling good

# And I'm feeling good. #

If you could talk to her now, what would you say?

Fancy going out for lunch?

No, what would I say to her? What would I say to her?

I don't know. I would just be very happy to see her face.

Do you ever... Do you ever sort of look back and do you ever think,

I wish I hadn't got involved in the rock world?

No, I mean looking back when you were 17 or 18...

..was there an obvious other way?

THEY LAUGH

So it was always rock and roll?

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