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Welcome please, Paula Yates.
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

This programme contains strong
language and reference to suicide

Well, Paula, I must say, I found
this a fascinating book,

but it is rather an unusual
subject, isn't it?

Yeah. What gave you the inspiration
to write this book?

What happened in the first place was
I was trying to think of a way

I could get my picture on a book.
Right.

I wasn't bothered about writing
anything or anything else,

I just wanted to have
a photo session.

How do you approach a
rock star and ask him

to pose in his underpants?

It's quite hard. You get them drunk
and say, "Get them off."

LAUGHTER

Why did you stop at the underpants?

Cos I don't wanna see
their willies. I mean...

She said she was laying in bed one
morning and she saw

a pair of Bob's underpants at the
end the bed, over some post

on the end of the bed and
she thought, "That'd be a good idea.

"Get them all to wear their
underpants and make a book."

She did it. You know, that
was Paula.

What she went out to do, she did.

Which is your favourite picture in
the book?

My... I mean, there's quite a
few to choose from.

My cover picture's my
favourite picture.

OK, well thanks a lot for coming
in and, uh,

I really enjoyed seeing your book.
Hope I can take a picture of you

in your underpants some day.
Um, Graham.

Did she enjoy being famous?
No, she loved being famous.

In them days, she loved it.
She had columns everywhere.

She'd have been on all the shows.
She loved talking.

Paula Yates was probably, next
to Princess Diana,

the most famous female in England.

Paula Yates is probably better known

for her private life than
for her TV career.

The rock star, Michael Hutchence,

was found hanging from a door
in a Sydney hotel room.

I remember walking into the room
and the room was just

completely still and Paula was
sitting at this table,

her kind of general demeanour
was just...lost.

I mean, she just seemed tired
and lost.

I realised that whatever happened,
wherever these interviews took us,

that she would always be honest.

Well, Paula, I know that you write a
column for a music paper

and it's a very sharp... I find it a
very amusing column, I love it.

And I wondered why a lady who writes
as well as you do would want to do

a nude photo layout like you did
for Penthouse. Was it...?

To make money. To make money. Just
for the money?

Yeah. Cos you didn't even have
on underpants.

No, but I didn't realise my backside
would look like

a scalded ham when I did it.

LAUGHTER

Yeah, that's what I thought.
I thought,

"Well, here's this beautiful girl
posing in Penthouse and yet,

"when she takes pictures of
rock stars,

"they've got their knickers on...

"..and you didn't."

I wish you hadn't thought that,
in fact, Jackie.

Well, I don't know. I think...

Jackie Collins wrote novels.

Loads of them, to huge acclaim,
enormous success,

and earned herself a great deal
of money just through

the power of her pen.

So I think what Jackie Collins is
trying to say to Paula Yates here,

under the guise of, "Hey, we're all
part of the sisterhood, you know?

"It's really great to see you here,
you know,

"I really admire what you've
written.

"So why did you get your butt out?

"Why did you need to be naked?"

And really, my...my view about this,
my response to this is,

what's it got to do with
Jackie Collins?

What's in your future, Paula?
What do you want to do?

In the near future? Uh-huh.

Well, I'd like to do a cat food
commercial and...

LAUGHTER
I'm serious.

Paula, it was very nice to talk to
you tonight. Thank you very much.

Thanks a lot.

You know, Paula Yates would be one
of the first feminists

to realise that going on television
or standing up in the media

and trying to talk about anything
to do with women

and supporting them in
their lot goes down very badly.

You've had what could be called
a colourful career.

I mean, with pop and lingerie
and perfume and motherhood now.

Motherhood's the thing, isn't it,
for you? You've found your niche?

Um, yeah, I think...I think that I
like it very much

and I think that one of
the nice things about it is

the more children you have,

the more you realise how fantastic
it can be at home.

And so, with my new book, Terry.

Oh.

Not another one!

I know. I was actually loathe
to say it,

but the new book, one of the things
that primarily it's about is

the fact that in the media nowadays,
lots of people, they really plug

how great it will be for women
to be out there working,

and it's very rarely said how great
it can be at home.

So this is from Paula Yates' book,
The Fun Starts Here -

a practical guide to
the bliss of babies.

"Many couples have found that their
lovemaking difficulties arose

"because they always made love
once they went to bed.

"And of course, as any new mother
will tell you,

"the minute she's in bed,
she's unconscious.

"Sometimes, merely changing
the routine by either

"going to bed earlier or making love
in different places removes

"the pressures of the bedroom.

"Just talking to your partner about
how you feel means that neither

"of you will allow misconceptions
to blow up out of all proportion.

"Keep communication open at all
times

"and have sex on the kitchen table."

I mean, I think, to me, that shows
all the kind of contradictions

and complexities of Paula Yates,
because in that one paragraph,

you can see that she, A, is kind
of acknowledging that

it's not all that sexy to be a
new parent,

B, you're knackered, you're
absolutely exhausted,

sex is the lowest, lowest
thing on your list,

but C, she's gotta put have sex on
the kitchen table

to give it that sort of
Paula-esque flourish.

But as with many parts of her life,
you're not sure she really means it

and you're not sure it's all
that sincere

and you're not sure she'd even think
of taking her own,

in inverted commas, advice.

There are a thousand books put out
like this a year now.

You now, this is Paula talking
about breastfeeding

and your pelvic floor and
getting your body back

and trying to shag when you've
just had a baby

and trying to stay sexy and the
monotony but also the joys

of being in the house and is it
nice to be a housewife?

And, like, what does housewife mean?

And you know, this...this is the
bloody bread and butter

of what every women's magazine
is about now. You know?

And she got so much crap for it.

I've read in one of the papers
today, the journalist was saying

how she was ready to knock
your head off. I know!

Because she felt, you know,
it was anti-feminist

and all the rest of it.

You've no time for, or at least,
you're for... I don't know that...

You're for women staying at home
with...with the babies.

I think that it's not at all
anti-feminist and I think that

the whole point of feminism was
surely that instead of

trying to have it all and juggling
everything, you know,

you go out to work, you have
your time with the baby,

and then you have to do all
the washing-up

because your husband won't do it,
cos husbands don't.

Well, it's true, isn't it?

Everyone always pretends that
there's new men.

There are no new men.
APPLAUSE

There's no... And I'm not being
sexist.

Most men, they don't do nappies,
they don't wash bottoms.

They don't wash their own bottom if
they can avoid it.
LAUGHTER

You know, it's ridiculous.

You'd see Paula, she'd have a
basket in one hand and

a baby on the other.

And she was tiny. I don't know
how she did it.

Cos she was tiny and she'd...

"Oh, give me your bag.
No, I'm fine, I'm fine."

Cos it would balance her out.

Paula was a friend of mine
and I was a make-up artist.

We met 19...1992, '93 and stayed
friends with her ever since.

How was she different on camera?

Or her persona, how was she
different to...to in real life?

She was quieter in real life
and she was quite,

you know, she loved being with
the kids. She was a mum.

When you read some of the books,
it's all about the village life

and, you know, baking cakes and that
was her, like, you know, escape.

Sounds like a really innocent time.

It was.

When does that start to change

and how did you see that
affecting Paula?

When she got together with Michael.

That's when everyone seemed
to go for her.

It was very much like she was
the bad person.

She'd destroyed her life.

And then, you know, things happened.

Detectives say they're baffled about
the circumstances of the death

of the lead singer of the
group INXS.

The rock star Michael Hutchence was
found in a Sydney hotel room.

There was a number of prescribed
medications located at

the scene and they were taken by
the scientific police.

Are we talking syringes or...?

I'm talking about prescribed
medication.

I got a phone call about two in
the morning.

It was John Martin, who was
the INXS tour manager.

And he said he'd been trying
to get hold of Paula,

but no-one's answering the phone,
and Michael's dead.

And I went, "Oh, my, God.
I need to get to Paula's."

So I got to Paula's - I had a key.

I let myself in and as I opened the
door, Paula was on the steps.

I said, "It's Michael."

And she just said, "No, no, no."

And literally punched me
and said, "Please don't say that.

"Don't say it, don't say it."

I have to stop.

London is just waking up
to this tragic news

and the reaction already is one
of deep shock.

At the couple's home in London,
Ms Yates was said to be devastated.

And by this time there was...

I mean, the street was full of
press.

Anthony Burton, who's... Well, he's
a solicitor and great friend,

had gone out and given a statement.

She's devastated. If there was
anything further to say

when we've learned more,
then it will be said,

but not at this stage.

And I took the children
to Bob's house.

I would ask that you do not even
take photographs

of them getting into the car
and going off.

And I was driving down the
King's Road back to the house

and on the radio it said

that Michael Hutchence had been
found hanged.

And I was... I...I stopped the car
and I was like,

"Oh, my, God. Oh, my, God."

I...just presumed that it was
a drugs overdose.

No one had said anything to me
about anything else.

She was completely distraught
and she said,

"He wouldn't have left me.
He wouldn't have left our baby."

And it was then tabloid frenzy.

Do me a favour, can you please
go to the end of the road? Please.

You know, she walked out of that
house to go to the airport

and it was like everybody was there.

All wanting a story. All wanting
an angle on something.

You know, the press had decided that
she didn't qualify

being allowed any respect, really.

What she had in her was
just drained.

You can only take so much.

And I think, you know, look at
what she took.

That night, what a fucking night
that was.

The longest journey for Paula Yates
began at her London home tonight.

Grieving for Michael Hutchence and
accompanied by their daughter,

she headed for a flight
to Australia.

I mean, even on the plane,
journalists,

because they'd all booked
the same flight,

and even on the plane, they
wanted a comment.

You're like, "Really? Really?"

The waiting press saw nothing
of her at Sydney Airport.

This the only glimpse as she
arrived at the morgue.

She'd wanted to see her
partner's body.

Michael's body was cremated.

The ashes, we're being told that
Paula Yates is taking those back

to the UK with her and her
16-month-old daughter, Tiger Lily.

They're reportedly flying
home tomorrow.

When we came back from Australia,
after the funeral,

there was a load of press outside
the house.

They said they were about to
reveal a secret.

Something about her mum and dad.

The whole thing just seemed like
when you really, really thought

it couldn't get any worse,
it absolutely got

to the worst point possible.

# It's a grand night for singing

# The moon is flying high... #

So, explain to me Jess Yates.

Jess Yates was this kind
of avuncular figure,

like a kind of aging country
priest or vicar

who presented this programme called
Stars on Sunday.

He was completely light
entertainment, brackets religious.

Ha! If you can imagine that.

So...so that was Jess Yates.

You know, the romance of the sea
is never very far away

here in Llandudno.

He was like this kind of religious
father figure on TV

and that was his image, basically.

Paula, I think she always kind
of gravitated towards her father

cos her father always seemed
to be the more solid figure.

Paula Yates, your mother was...

Yeah, my mother was very glamorous
in that very sort of 1960s way

and used to trot off to Paris to
buy her underwear,

which when you live in
Snowdonia is fairly unusual.

And your father, what was he like?

Well, my father when I was very
small was...a manic depressive

so he had enormous mood swings
all the time.

Um, but he was also extremely funny.

So it was a sort of odd combination
between when he was low,

he would be entirely silent,
sometimes for months on end,

and when he was up again,
he, er, was this great raconteur.

So what was your life like with him
in the house as a child?

What did he do?

He...he had a Mighty Wurlitzer,
you'll be glad to know.

Um, which I think lots of people
have suspected.

And...and he played that a lot.
I mean a lot at night.

How did Paula find out about
her dad?

Well, when we came back after
the funeral,

there was a load of press outside
the house and when I arrived,

there was a Conservative MP
who lived just down the road

who'd been found shagging somebody
on Hampstead Heath or something,

I can't remember what it was,

and so I thought that they were
there for that story.

And Paula wasn't in the house,
so why were they outside?

But, you know, they were
always outside.

So I went in and when they
came out, they asked me

where Paula was and was she
coming back.

And I said, "What's this about?"

And they said they wanted
to speak to her about

the fact that Hughie Green
might be her father.

LAUGHTER

What do you mean, "Ha-ha-ha"?

Hughie Green was razzmatazz,
a little bit in your face...

Contestant number one,
Carol Walters.

..little bit sort of lecherous, who
always had girls, if I remember.

So, I remember speaking to Paula
and her saying,

"Oh, my, God. What, you know, what
are they going to make up next?"

She said we're going to sue.

So she said, "Please could you
call my mother?"

Because they weren't speaking.

So I rang Helene and I asked
her outright. I said,

"Have you ever slept with
Hughie Green?"

And she said, "Absolutely not.
I've never slept with Hughie.

"This is an outrage. They shouldn't
be allowed to say this."

And I said, "OK. Thanks, that's
great. That's all I wanted to hear."

And I told Paula and she said,
"Fine...

"..we're going to sue. I told you
Hughie wasn't my father.

"Jess Yates is my father and he
will always be my father."

And obviously the DNA test came back
and Hughie was her father.

It's Hughie Green! That's who it is!

And she was beyond upset about it.

She loved her dad very much.

It really was, I mean, I described
it at the beginning of that

as a blow on a bruise. Cos that's
what it felt like to me.

She'd lost Michael and shortly
afterwards had this.

It almost seemed like some unknown
force was just making life

as...as absolutely awful as
possible for her.

And I must admit that that was
the first time,

I think, where I genuinely began to
worry a...a bit about her

and how things might go for her
because I just thought,

"Where...where do you go from here?"

Absolutely extraordinary.

Yeah. It was...it was really
beyond and

I think life was pretty horrendous
at that time and that was probably

her lowest, lowest point, I
would say.

And then...

..you know, she started
to take Prozac.

She would take Valium.

A lot of the time I felt...

..like she might never be
the same again.

I think she felt that too.

I mean, it's so difficult, it's
such a dark time,

but is it gradually getting any
easier at all?

In a way, part of what this is about
is that, particularly in that era,

there wasn't room for people to say
this is too much or you know,

we certainly didn't know about
the impact of the press

on people's mental health.

Oh, I think the press have a huge
amount to answer for.

I mean, the stuff that they wrote
was, A, incredibly unkind

and, B, mainly not true.

Back in the '80s and the '90s,
these columnists were

the...the...the cornerstone of
the newspaper.

Anne Robinson, people like that,
you know, I remember hearing that

they were on six figure fees.

What was it about Paula that
meant that other women

maybe criticised her?

For a start, I think that, you know,
Paula was sexy and gorgeous

in a way that probably got
women's backs up.

Trying to bring women down a peg or
two, it's what women often do.

But then, she gave them
endless material.

You know, the thing also about
being a columnist,

and I have had columns like this,

is that you desperately want it
because the money's really good.

Paula Yates is a gift.

It's literally like going to
the slot machine

and putting your coin in and
it coming out gold.

Do you ever look back on any
of your own writing?

I remember reading those early
columns that you would write

and they were, you know... Yeah.
..great at that biting wit. Yeah.

You know, what I wrote in my 20s
and early 30s,

I...I look back at a lot of it now
and...and think...

"It made people laugh, but
at what expense?"

I mean...

This is harassment on a horribly
emotional level.

But it...it is interesting that
people feel that it's OK

to have a running commentary on
someone else's life without

actually thinking any deeper about
their emotions or their feelings.

Just for the sake of a little bit of
gossip, a little bit of

what can we talk about at the
dinner party?

Oh, did you see what Paula Yates
did today?

It's people's lives and it's
just a load of bollocks.

The problem is...is if somebody says
it and they say it enough times

and they write it down,
it becomes true.

I mean, if you make people's
everyday life,

just going to the shop, taking a
kid to school hell,

of course that's going to have
an effect.

because you don't want to leave
the house.

You're like, I just don't want to
go out there and face that.

Really? I didn't know it was
this bad.

You know, she used to ring me at two
or three in the morning.

She used to say to me, "Belinda,
he...he did love me, didn't he?"

And I'd be like, "Yes Paula,
he did love you."

And she said, "This is what keeps
me up at night, do you know?"

And it was really heartbreaking.

Whatever people say about our
snowflake generation,

there's no way that somebody
appearing on a red carpet

in the same...in the way that Paula
started in her worst times,

would be laughed at, and jeered at
and made into news.

Whereas back then, her decline,
it was treated with glee.

Long before Michael Hutchence died,
Paula Yates was already involved

in a long custody battle with her
ex-husband, Sir Bob Geldof.

Today, confirmation she lost
that fight.

Her three children to Sir Bob will
now live with their father

for most of the year.

Oh, we'll have to drink something
else now.

HE LAUGHS

You haven't got another glass,
have you?

Shall I do that?

Oh, I want it to be jolly.

You're in the best mood I've ever
encountered you, actually, Paula.

Oh, yes, can we have a...a nice
bottle of champagne?

Oh, well, I think we should go for
the Bollinger, shouldn't we?

Two glasses. Lovely, thank you.

Let's see if there's anything we
haven't covered.

I think we've talked about just
virtually everything.

Was she struggling
with alcohol at this point?

Well, we were all struggling
with alcohol.

You know, I never noticed it because
I used to drink quite a lot anyway.

I gave up six years ago, but I did
used to drink quite a lot,

to be honest, and it was part of
being a journalist to drink,

so I didn't really... I didn't
really notice if someone would order

a bottle of champagne.
I couldn't care less.

Order as many as you like,
basically.

Looks interesting.

When you met her, did she drink?

No, she never drank. She was a
famous teetotal in those days.

I mean, there's the advert she did
with Oliver Reed...

Masson Montreux vineyards.

..and she's having a glass of wine
and he said,

"Oh, I didn't think you drank."
And she said,

"This is...

..99.5% alcohol free.

But yes, she was very famously
teetotal.

I suppose, you know,
Michael Hutchence's death

was so awful, and I think she really
was struggling.

Really, really struggling. Um,
I think drink was taking her

out into sort of spaces where she
wouldn't normally have gone and,

um, Belinda always said to me that
her drinking had got a lot worse

and actually it was...it was a kind
of new phenomenon in Paula's life

because she'd never been
a drinker, not really.

And I can't remember ever reading
anything in the past

about her drinking.

So, yeah, I think probably there was
quite a bit of drinking going on.

"Traumatic years that have left
her broken."

Well, that's true and these
guys didn't help.

You know, people handle grief in
different ways, so she would...

She'd...she'd drink to forget.

She's grieving for the love of her
life, so...

And for the loss of her life and
many other things

that were going on.

Do you see parallels in both
of your hedonism

and where that went?

Em, we were...we were...

Yeah, we were, I suppose, seeking
glorious escape.

I think that we both needed
looking after, you know?

She was very secretive about all
of that stuff, you know,

it wasn't something that she shared.

And by shared I don't mean share the
drugs, I just mean shared

what she was actually doing cos,
erm, I just thought it was

recreational party drugs.

Because she was dead opposed
to...coke!

Like, if I...if I was taking coke,
I'd feel bad about

taking coke because,
in front of her,

because she was just like,
"Dickheads take coke,"

which is true.

Erm, but, you know,
she was secret squirrel.

I mean, six months ago,
you were...you were described as

having had virtually agoraphobia.
Mm.

What actually happened?

Keep moving through, please.

You mean as in you and Bob?

That...that was a... That was
a happy Paula, you know.

That was...that was more the Paula
I...I would say

that I was kind of used to.

And part of the reason
for that I think is

because she was just such
good company.

You wanted to be around her,
you know.

When... I used to do the interviews
and when I'd finished

the interview I'd be sorry it
was over.

You know, I always was, always.

Those...those interviews went on and
on and on.

You look really good.

You look up and look like you're
buzzing and everything, you know.

You're back presenting and that.
Yeah. You...you pleased about that?

Erm, well it was a bit
nerve-wracking being back at work.

Why? Em, cos I hadn't worked for
five years and I wasn't really,

you know, in the frame of mind to go
initially back.

And then, I got asked to do this
thing about boy bands.

I think with the boy bands and that,
compared to them

and things like that.

I don't think... I don't know cos
I...I don't really look at bands

particularly, now. I'm cured of
bands.

What...what...what you into now?
What? Footballers.

Don't get into footballers.
LAUGHTER

No, no, you get involved
with footballers, man,

you know, they tell you a
whole lot of lies

and in the morning you'd find that
they just wanna leave.

Really? Ah, maybe I might be telling
you something you don't know.

Well, I always thought they were
just smooth-talking,

poetry-loving guys with a
big six-pack.

Well, I'm a smooth-talking,

poetry-loving guy. But
I'm badder than that.

You got a giant six pack,
haven't you? No, I haven't.

Mmm, that's interesting, isn't it?
Yeah.

Paula bought a house in Hastings
by the sea.

Really nice little house.

And she loved that.

I think she felt kind of safe there.

And she started writing again.

She was going to turn all the things
that she'd experienced

and all the things she'd learnt from
Michael's death into a novel.

Tell me about the writing, then.

Who was this?

HE LAUGHS

Unbelievable.

Oh, and you say it started in the
mortuary.

What's it like thinking back
to that period now?

Now looking at it, I can't believe
how she actually dealt with it

at the time and came through it.

And she had... She'd really got
herself... She loved going

to Hastings and that was where I
probably had some

of the nicest times with her.

Took Tiger on the beach,
went and got fish and chips

cos it's famous for its fish
and chips, Hastings.

Sat, chat...chatted, always chatted
about Michael.

She was going to do a new book.

You know, she'd really got
herself...

She'd been clean for two years.

So she really... She'd really got
herself together.

This was a little bolt-hole
of some sort, was it?

Did anyone ever find you there?

Press weren't there?

So we came back I think on a
Tuesday at Charing Cross station

and then, said goodbye to her and
then the next time I saw her was...

..after she'd died.

Well, what do you think?

I mean, people keep saying to me,
you know...

This afternoon, the body of
Paula Yates was removed from

her home in Notting Hill,
West London.

A friend who called to see her this
morning found her in bed.

Scotland Yard said her death was
being treated as suspicious.

Police arrived at the scene and life
was pronounced extinct at 11:15am.

The body has been taken to
Westminster mortuary

and there will be a post-mortem
examination and an inquest.

Was it a shock when she died?

Oh.

Yeah, of course.

Yeah, it was a major shock. Erm...

Cos I'd seen her the night before.

Yes, it was a shock, and it was
definitely an accident.

There's no way, no way on earth
I could ever imagine her

doing something like that.

I'd been for a run and I came back
and my phone just had

a load of messages in it.

"Have you heard about Paula?"

I thought, "What's she done now?"

She wanted to move on with her life

and probably when she died is the
best place I've seen her,

ironically, for a very long time.

And, you know, as the coroner said,
had she been an habitual drug user,

this would not have killed her.

But she took illegal drugs for
the first time in two years

and your body says,
"No, I don't want it."

And...so she died.

Yeah, it was a big shock.

Her inquest heard in recent months
she had been back on track,

relaunching her career.

One witness said she was fed up
to be back in London

but all said she had stopped
taking drugs.

And it was an intolerance to drugs
that cost her her life.

Paula Yates took some heroin,
her body couldn't handle it

and she died.

The coroner said her behaviour
was foolish and incautious,

but he couldn't accept that she
would take her life while

her daughter was in the house.

He recorded a verdict of death after
non-dependent abuse of drugs.

For the next five months, you're
going to be able to see live music,

interviews, my stomach getting
bigger week by week.

In fact things that have never
before seen on a live TV show.

She should be remembered as
a vivacious trailblazer

to a million little girls.

That there is an exciting fabulous
life out there and

you should give precisely no shits
what anyone thinks about you.

With interviews I tend to...just
ask what I want to know and

I want to know what Cliff Richard
does in his spare time

just as much as I want to know what
sort of a kisser Simon Le Bon is.

Well, that was a good link, you see,
from Steve to Duran Duran

who are sitting here. I'll just
move my leg.

Oh, get off. And now, tell me a bit
about your video project

I've been hearing a lot about.

Oh, we don't wanna talk
about videos.

We thought this was supposed
to be full of trivia

and trite and sexual innuendo,
you know.

I'm moving on to the trite sexual
innuendo in a minute.

She was such a flirt. She'd
ask questions that

you wouldn't be able to ask them
questions today of these people

because it would be stopped straight
away. It wouldn't be aired.

It took a great amount of
prayer to get Sting

into his trousers for this
interview.

He spent the last 15 minutes in his
dressing room

with a greased shoehorn.

But now, before anymore girls faint,
here is the man

that Elvis Costello once said,
"Should be told

"to stop singing in that silly
Jamaican accent."

You know, she was fun, she was
just... She was fun to be with.

Journalist, photographer and fab
girl about town, Paula Yates.

I don't think of her death, really.
I...I think of her as being alive.

It's Paula... It's Paula because she
was so alive.

Oh, I'm always going to remember
a fun aspect of her,

this bundle of energy and frivolity.

# You know how I feel... #

I believe that she was some type
of goddess.

# You know how I feel... #

She was very, very much about
a woman being her own self.

And she was bright enough and
eloquent enough to do that.

Because, I mean, women all looking
in the mirror

and inevitably think that they're
fat and repellent.

Whereas men look in the mirror
and they think,

"Hey, I'm pretty gorgeous."
Really? Yeah.

She was such a ground-breaking
person in her day and,

you know, brought such a joy to
the screen...

I was always involved with the
sort of poetical, droopy types,

sort of like Jeremy Irons
without trousers.

LAUGHTER

Sadly I never actually came across
Jeremy Irons without his trousers.

But I tried hard.

..and paved the way for lots of
other people in this day and age

who, you know, wouldn't be able to
do the kind of presenting

that they do if Paula hadn't
done it first.

Now this is a fantastic moment
for me because it is

the first time ever that somebody
has come three times on the bed.

Now give me some marriage tips,
big boy.

All right.

She was part of that movement
that was the change in TV.

Ding dong.

So I've heard.

She was...absolutely one of a kind.

Few people realise but my links
with the Mods started

before I was even born when
Pete Townshend asked my mother out.

You know I could imagine her being,
like, for instance a brilliant

interviewer on Desert Island Discs,
for instance.

# Oh, freedom...#

No one could do... Could talk to
people the way Paula did.

# And I know how I feel...#

She could be pretty much all things
to all people.

She could be wicked, rude, crude.

She could be incredibly,
incredibly intelligent.

You know, you really did not know
with her, I think, the person that

you were going to get but you did
know it was never

going to be boring.

# And I'm feeling good

# And I'm feeling good. #

If you could talk to her now,
what would you say?

Fancy going out for lunch?

No, what would I say to her?
What would I say to her?

I don't know. I would just be very
happy to see her face.

Do you ever... Do you ever sort of
look back and do you ever think,

I wish I hadn't got involved in
the rock world?

No, I mean looking back when you
were 17 or 18...

..was there an obvious other way?

THEY LAUGH

So it was always rock and roll?

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