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It's a jungle out there.
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It's a jungle out there.
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It's a jungle out there.
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Welcome back to 3AW Drive.
I'm Derryn Hinch.
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Recently you may have
heard the name Carl Williams
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in connection with
a $20 million amphetamine ring.
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In fact, police are calling him
the Mr Big of the drug trade.
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I have him on the line now.
Carl Williams, good afternoon.
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Good afternoon.
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What do you say in answer
to these very serious accusations?
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It's all a floor show, Derryn.
It's all... It's all corruption.
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It's... it's... it's all corruption
from everywhere in the police force.
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Wait a second.
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Exactly who are you accusing
of corruption?
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Hey, guys, listen to this.
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What we need here is a royal
commission. Everyone knows that.
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You stamp out one drug squad,
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you got another
corrupt drug squad in its place.
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It's the drug squad that's corrupt?
Goes right to the top.
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I know for a fact Detective Sergeant
Steve Owen of the Purana Taskforce
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has had regular dealings with
certain members of the drug squad
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who have since been arrested
on corruption charges.
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It's nothing but police corruption.
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Now, hang on.
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Let's be grown-up here.
Why did the police...
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Why did they pluck you
out of McDonald's?
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I mean, if you're a cleanskin?
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You tell me. You tell me.
I don't get involved in nothing.
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Well, they haven't come looking
for Mr Derryn Hinch.
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They've come looking
for Mr Carl Williams.
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Have you ever been involved
in trafficking drugs?
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Fuck, no! S'cuse my French.
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Oh, you shouldn't listen
to this rubbish, love.
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I couldn't live without Derryn.
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How do you,
Carl Williams, earn a quid?
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I'm a commissioner.
What?
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You're a what?
Wh-what did he just say?
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L-I... I earn commissions for people.
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Fucking idiot.
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What's a commission?
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Well, I have a bet. I have
a gamble on horses. So... I, um...
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You know, I sell jewellery.
I do a lot of odds and ends, Derryn.
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You get jewellery for people?
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What, do you steal it?
No, no, I don't steal.
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I'm not a thief.
I'm certainly not a thief, Derryn.
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Well, what do you mean,
you 'get' jewellery for people?
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Well, I have a friend
who's a wholesale jeweller,
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so if anyone wants necklaces or...
or gold jewellery, then I'II, um...
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... I'll buy it for 'em at wholesale
and then sell it to them retail.
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Ask him how he can afford
to buy a house for cash, Derryn.
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Go on, ask him.
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Mr Williams, more than
20 people have died
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in this so-called gangland war.
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Are you scared?
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I got nothing to be scared of.
I think it's...
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I think it's media things.
You know, I got no problems.
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Well, Andrew Veniamin.
Is he your bodyguard?
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Nah, Benji's a personal friend.
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It's like, you know,
if you're walking along the street
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and you're next to someone,
is that your bodyguard?
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Have you got life insurance, Carl?
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No, I don't have no life insurance.
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Well, I recommend you get some.
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Haven't you people
got any work to do?
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That was Carl Williams.
I'm Derryn Hinch. And that's life.
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Tell her to tell them that you've
got our total support.
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Because you're corrupt too?
What?
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That's what they'll say.
Look, some mud is gonna stick.
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That's inevitable. You've just
got to work through it, Steve.
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How's Operation Gatto coming along?
Yeah, fine. Ready to roll.
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Actually, I'd prefer it if you let
Bubba and Jacqui run it.
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What, so you can spend more time
harassing Carl Williams?
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I'd prefer it if you got
Mick Gatto off the streets first.
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Mick Gatto
was the highest-profile member
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of the Carlton Crew.
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Our plan was simple -
use every means at our disposal
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to get him behind bars
and out of harm's way,
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away from Carl Williams's guns.
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It's time we drew
a line in the sand.
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If we don't stop the prick now,
he'll run this town.
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Already runs it.
Missed that boat.
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Pick up your guts, Lewis.
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I've lost two sons.
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Well, do something about it.
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Why don't you do something
about it?
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I'm the money man.
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About time he started punching
his weight for a change, I reckon.
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Mick.
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Oh, don't get me wrong.
I'm not calling him gutless.
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Course not.
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We're talking about the fella
who went the distance
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with the heavyweight champion
of New South Wales.
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Twice.
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This is all partly his fault,
you know.
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This war.
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Well, who brought Benji into
the crew in the first place?
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Mick.
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Now he's Carl's
number one attack dog.
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Mick's record
as a heavyweight boxer
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wasn't the greatest -
nine fights for five wins.
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But he did learn
a few valuable lessons.
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Never let your opponent
know when you're hurt,
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never throw a punch in anger
and never, never, never blink.
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Yeah, who's there?
Can you state your business?
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Mr Gatto, these gentlemen are with
the Australian Crime Commission.
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Gareth Forrester, Mr Gatto.
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Got a warrant here
to search these premises
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and seize such items as might
assist us with our investigation.
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And what am I being
investigated for?
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A whole range of
criminal activities.
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It's all in the document.
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Mr, um?
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Forrester.
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There's a gentlemanly way
to do things,
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and then there's the wrong way.
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You turning up here at
seven o'clock in the morning,
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disturbing my family,
that's the wrong way.
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Step aside, please, Mr Gatto.
Just give us 30 minutes.
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We'll have our showers,
a little coffee.
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And dispose of the evidence?
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Alright. 30 minutes.
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Provided, of course, I can come in
and keep an eye on you.
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You'll be my guest.
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Is that the only computer,
Mr Gatto?
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Yeah, there's one
in the boy's room.
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Check that out, would you?
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You make sure to tell me if he's
been looking at any porn, alright?
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So is this your idea?
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Or theirs?
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We believe it's for
your own good, Mr Gatto.
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You see, every time
we draw up a hit list,
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your name seems to be
at the top.
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We think it's harder to kill you
when you're in jail.
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I don't need your protection, champ.
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You gotta be
top of the list, old mate.
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Scare tactics.
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It's the oldest strategy
in the world, divide and conquer.
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Well, I advise keep a low profile.
Take a long holiday.
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What do I look like, an invalid?
Can't take care of myself?
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Mark and Jason thought
they were bulletproof too.
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No, run and hide -
that's not my style.
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Well, in that case,
you confront the threat head-on.
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Mr Dominic Gatto?
Who wants him?
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The Australian Taxation Office.
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Barbarians at the gate.
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What can I do for you?
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According to ATO records,
Mr Gatto,
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you haven't filed a tax return
since 1989.
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Is this an appropriate venue?
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This is where you conduct
all your business.
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Look, I could have
taken my eye off the ball,
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forgotten the odd tax return or two.
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I've been busy.
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Since the sources of your income
were difficult to trace,
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we undertook an audit of your assets
and lifestyle.
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We calculated your taxable income
on their value.
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What assets
are you talking about?
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Your home in Doncaster,
holiday house in Sorrento,
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two investment properties
in Richmond,
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your share of
a crane and scaffolding business
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operating out of Laverton.
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It's all in here.
Happy reading.
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The bottom line is
that you owe us $1,204,648.
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Come on, fatso. Come on, up on
your elbows. That's hopeless!
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Come on!
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Fuck!
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Alright, now, turn around.
Oh, fuck off.
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Hey, listen, fatso, you want to
lose the gut, you gotta do the work.
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I'm thinking it's time
we made a move on the big guy.
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Who?
You know who.
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Gatto.
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Nuh, you find someone else.
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I can't touch him. He's a mate.
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Benj, you're like family now.
We open up our hearts to you.
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You owe me Mick Gatto.
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It's like asking me
to murder my father.
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You whacked your best mate Dino.
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Why can't you whack some
big ugly knob like Gatto?
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Listen to me, alright?
It's about respect.
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Whose side you on, Benj?
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I didn't order a salad.
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No, you never do.
But you should.
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Take it back.
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Do you want parmesan?
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I can already feel this
doing me good.
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Mick, you know how
Benji borrowed my car?
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It was a few months back.
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He still hasn't returned it.
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I'll talk to him
first chance I get.
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Hey, Mick, Mick.
Can I help you guys or what?
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Here to see Mick Gatto.
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So who are you?
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My name's Sean. This is Michael.
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Carl Williams says hello.
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I'm his cousin.
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Well, congratulations.
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That must be a thrill for you.
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So is that it? 'Hello' or?
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Somewhere we can talk
in private, Mick?
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Talk right here. Just say whatever
you want to say, then piss off.
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Carl wants you to know he's
got no plans to hurt the Munster.
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Mate, who would want to waste
a bullet on me? Who am I a threat to?
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Nah.
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They're just trying
to put the wind up us.
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You know how to use it?
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I don't need a gun.
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You want a demo?
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I was carrying one of these when
you were still pooing in your nappy.
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Well, maybe you're right.
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Maybe it is me that they're after.
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But...
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Well, in that case...
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...we'll drink to YOUR health.
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Merry Christmas.
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Salute.
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Come on, you fat pig.
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Get up there!
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You are hopeless, Carl.
Oh! Piss off.
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Totally hopeless.
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Shockin', mate.
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Who is it?
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Hey? Uh, it's private, mate.
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Hey, buddy. How you doing?
Andrew!
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Hey, thanks for stopping by.
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Appreciate it.
Don't mention it.
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Haven't seen much of you, champ.
What's going on?
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You know, commitments, mate.
You know what it's like, eh?
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So, have you got a minute
for a chat?
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Yeah, sure.
60 seconds, tops.
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And then we'll have
a coffee, alright?
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We'll just retire to the boardroom.
OK.
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We'll wait for you here.
Yeah.
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I'm worried about you, champ.
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Me? What? I'm fine.
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I hear that you're spending
a lot of time with Carl Williams.
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Look.
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Sometimes I spend time with you,
sometimes I spend time with him.
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You know...
I know a lot of people.
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You're a special person, Andrew.
You've got special gifts.
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And I hate to see you wasting them.
Don't worry about me.
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Into a lot of gear?
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No.
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No.
244
00:13:03,341 --> 00:13:06,381
You just remember what happens
to guys who do do a lot of that shit.
245
00:13:06,416 --> 00:13:08,941
Listen, I got it under control.
246
00:13:11,661 --> 00:13:13,186
Andrew, I don't want to hear
247
00:13:13,221 --> 00:13:15,821
that you're running
with the Williams crew.
248
00:13:15,856 --> 00:13:18,141
That's not healthy.
249
00:13:18,176 --> 00:13:19,779
Think it over.
250
00:13:21,461 --> 00:13:22,894
Think it over.
251
00:13:24,541 --> 00:13:26,338
Come here. Come here.
252
00:13:34,781 --> 00:13:36,214
What are you thinking about?
253
00:13:38,661 --> 00:13:40,652
Jesus Christ on the cross.
254
00:13:43,101 --> 00:13:47,094
What do you reckon it feels like
to get spikes nailed through your hands?
255
00:13:49,781 --> 00:13:51,506
Nuh, kidding.
256
00:13:51,541 --> 00:13:53,501
I'm thinking about
what a beautiful back you got.
257
00:13:53,536 --> 00:13:54,946
Ooh.
258
00:13:54,981 --> 00:13:57,051
Ooh. Ooh.
259
00:13:58,741 --> 00:14:00,186
Lower.
260
00:14:00,221 --> 00:14:02,139
What a beautiful back you got!
261
00:14:02,174 --> 00:14:04,057
Youse want anything from the bar?
262
00:14:05,101 --> 00:14:07,201
Um, Bundy and Coke.
263
00:14:07,236 --> 00:14:09,301
Yeah, ouzo straight up.
264
00:14:09,336 --> 00:14:11,106
It'll cost ya.
265
00:14:11,141 --> 00:14:14,133
Everything's got a price, Benj.
Remember that.
266
00:14:20,421 --> 00:14:21,854
What's up his arse?
267
00:14:25,181 --> 00:14:26,701
You two having a blue?
268
00:14:26,736 --> 00:14:28,257
Nah, we're cool.
269
00:14:28,292 --> 00:14:29,779
Yeah, sure you are.
270
00:14:31,341 --> 00:14:32,906
Hey, you see this?
271
00:14:32,941 --> 00:14:35,141
Yeah, I thought that was new.
272
00:14:35,176 --> 00:14:37,458
It's pretty.
273
00:14:37,493 --> 00:14:39,517
And look.
274
00:14:39,552 --> 00:14:41,541
Guess who.
275
00:14:45,181 --> 00:14:47,541
You got me hanging
around your neck.
276
00:14:47,576 --> 00:14:49,975
You only get one soul mate.
277
00:14:52,861 --> 00:14:54,294
I love you, Benj.
278
00:16:25,221 --> 00:16:28,461
Have a good day, love?
Pretty good.
279
00:16:28,496 --> 00:16:30,786
You?
Yeah. Sis rang.
280
00:16:30,821 --> 00:16:32,941
They're coming for Christmas dinner
after all.
281
00:16:32,976 --> 00:16:34,546
Oh. Good-o.
282
00:16:34,581 --> 00:16:36,066
More the merrier.
283
00:16:36,101 --> 00:16:38,061
Is that pork chops I can smell?
284
00:16:38,096 --> 00:16:40,741
Yes, and roast vegies.
285
00:16:40,776 --> 00:16:42,652
Mm-hm.
286
00:16:44,541 --> 00:16:46,021
Graham, what's the matter?
287
00:16:46,056 --> 00:16:48,386
Nothing, love.
288
00:16:48,421 --> 00:16:51,021
Don't scare me.
You're worried about something.
289
00:16:51,056 --> 00:16:55,221
I haven't got a worry in the world.
290
00:16:55,256 --> 00:16:57,581
You are worried. I can tell.
291
00:16:57,616 --> 00:17:00,106
Sybil, I'm not worried.
292
00:17:00,141 --> 00:17:03,226
Pull your head in.
Read your bloody book.
293
00:17:03,261 --> 00:17:06,253
30 years of marriage,
I can read YOU like a bloody book.
294
00:17:11,141 --> 00:17:13,021
Can I do anything to help?
295
00:17:17,141 --> 00:17:19,026
I love you very much.
296
00:17:19,061 --> 00:17:21,859
Tell me what I can do to help.
297
00:17:26,221 --> 00:17:29,701
Keep the home fires burning.
That's what I'd like you to do.
298
00:17:29,736 --> 00:17:32,499
'Cause nobody does it better.
299
00:17:45,021 --> 00:17:47,221
Uh, we got any ice-cream?
Choc-chip?
300
00:17:47,256 --> 00:17:49,906
What about your cholesterol?
301
00:17:49,941 --> 00:17:52,901
Sybil, have we got
any ice-cream or not?
302
00:17:52,936 --> 00:17:56,291
Yes or no?
No.
303
00:17:59,261 --> 00:18:01,181
I'm hopping out.
304
00:18:42,781 --> 00:18:44,226
Hello?
305
00:18:44,261 --> 00:18:47,101
Hello, Mick.
It's Sybil Kinniburgh here.
306
00:18:47,136 --> 00:18:48,693
Hey.
307
00:18:49,821 --> 00:18:52,261
Graham's dead, Mick.
308
00:18:52,296 --> 00:18:54,106
Murdered.
309
00:18:54,141 --> 00:18:55,786
He went out for ice-cream.
310
00:18:55,821 --> 00:18:59,018
They killed him when he went out
for choc-chip ice-cream.
311
00:19:12,901 --> 00:19:14,906
It has to be Benji Veniamin,
doesn't it?
312
00:19:14,941 --> 00:19:17,066
Well, the MO's about right.
The shooter was on foot.
313
00:19:17,101 --> 00:19:20,021
Waited for Kinniburgh to get home,
couple of bullets in him,
314
00:19:20,056 --> 00:19:21,666
took off in a waiting vehicle.
315
00:19:21,701 --> 00:19:23,498
Yeah, 2-man team, as per usual.
316
00:19:29,381 --> 00:19:32,817
My condolences.
I know Mr Kinniburgh was a good friend.
317
00:19:34,741 --> 00:19:36,186
He was my best friend.
318
00:19:36,221 --> 00:19:39,421
Just for the record, what was
Mr Kinniburgh's line of work?
319
00:19:39,456 --> 00:19:41,332
He was a rigger.
320
00:19:43,661 --> 00:19:46,146
Can you shed any light
on the matter, Mr Gatto?
321
00:19:46,181 --> 00:19:48,854
Well, I wish I could, but I can't.
Did he have any enemies?
322
00:19:50,621 --> 00:19:53,266
He was widely liked.
323
00:19:53,301 --> 00:19:56,186
Well-respected in the community.
324
00:19:56,221 --> 00:19:58,186
And I wouldn't know anyone
who'd want to hurt him.
325
00:19:58,221 --> 00:20:00,941
Yes, but surely you must have
your suspicions. I mean, we do.
326
00:20:00,976 --> 00:20:03,578
Then why are you bothering me?
Come on, Mick.
327
00:20:03,613 --> 00:20:06,181
How are we supposed to
shut these blokes down
328
00:20:06,216 --> 00:20:07,853
if you don't tell us
what you know?
329
00:20:09,021 --> 00:20:10,454
Are we done?
330
00:20:12,621 --> 00:20:14,134
Oh, this is bloody useless.
331
00:20:23,301 --> 00:20:25,621
I don't want you
sorting this out yourself.
332
00:20:25,656 --> 00:20:28,499
We'll deal with it. Understand?
333
00:20:32,301 --> 00:20:35,261
Yeah, I'd like
to place a death notice.
334
00:20:35,296 --> 00:20:39,621
"Kinniburgh. Graham.
335
00:20:39,656 --> 00:20:42,089
"The Munster.
336
00:20:44,261 --> 00:20:46,906
"Tragically taken.
337
00:20:46,941 --> 00:20:52,538
"Words cannot express
the way that I feel right now.
338
00:20:53,821 --> 00:20:57,211
"You were my lifelong friend.
339
00:20:58,461 --> 00:21:01,021
"And I was so proud
to be part of your life.
340
00:21:02,941 --> 00:21:07,969
"This has left a void in my life
that cannot be replaced.
341
00:21:10,501 --> 00:21:12,219
"I love you, Pa.
342
00:21:13,381 --> 00:21:18,580
"And I will never, ever forget you."
343
00:21:44,621 --> 00:21:46,180
Why him?
344
00:21:46,215 --> 00:21:47,739
Why Graham?
345
00:21:49,701 --> 00:21:51,666
Why not me, you mean.
346
00:21:51,701 --> 00:21:53,701
You could have prevented this, Mick.
347
00:21:53,736 --> 00:21:55,146
All you had to do
348
00:21:55,181 --> 00:21:57,421
was take that little tattooed
prick mate of yours in hand.
349
00:21:57,456 --> 00:21:59,506
We all know who did it.
350
00:21:59,541 --> 00:22:01,657
What are you gonna do about him?
351
00:22:22,421 --> 00:22:23,934
Hello.
352
00:22:25,021 --> 00:22:26,466
Hey?
353
00:22:26,501 --> 00:22:27,981
Hey, buddy, what's doing?
354
00:22:28,016 --> 00:22:29,461
Yep. Yeah, righto.
355
00:22:29,496 --> 00:22:30,940
Hey, fatso!
356
00:22:36,141 --> 00:22:37,466
It's Mick.
357
00:22:37,501 --> 00:22:39,651
Mick?
Yeah, he wants to talk to you.
358
00:22:42,101 --> 00:22:43,534
G'day, Mick.
359
00:22:45,061 --> 00:22:46,506
Powwow?
360
00:22:46,541 --> 00:22:48,586
Gee, Mick, I dunno.
361
00:22:48,621 --> 00:22:52,057
I get pretty nervous when strange men
invite me to private powwows.
362
00:22:54,901 --> 00:22:56,493
Yeah, alright. I'll see you there.
363
00:22:57,861 --> 00:22:59,986
So where are you meeting him?
Just at a pub.
364
00:23:00,021 --> 00:23:02,061
Where are my bloody keys?
You got my bloody keys?
365
00:23:02,096 --> 00:23:04,021
Don't get in a fucking
tizzy with me, toad.
366
00:23:04,056 --> 00:23:05,466
Haven't seen you this nervous
367
00:23:05,501 --> 00:23:07,466
since you were off to see
Jason and Mark Moran.
368
00:23:07,501 --> 00:23:10,301
Yeah, and look what fucking happened.
I got an extra navel in my belly.
369
00:23:10,336 --> 00:23:11,734
Hey.
Wish me luck.
370
00:23:14,661 --> 00:23:16,106
See ya.
371
00:23:16,141 --> 00:23:17,654
Yeah. It'll be alright.
372
00:23:26,101 --> 00:23:27,580
Mick.
373
00:23:29,621 --> 00:23:31,054
Carl.
374
00:23:34,061 --> 00:23:36,131
Beer?
Yeah, sure. Why not?
375
00:23:39,821 --> 00:23:41,421
Speccy weather at the moment,
isn't it?
376
00:23:41,456 --> 00:23:42,979
Just cut to the chase.
377
00:23:45,101 --> 00:23:48,650
A lot of shit's been going on,
and you've had a big hand in it.
378
00:23:49,821 --> 00:23:51,732
Sorry I'm late.
I was parking the car.
379
00:23:53,661 --> 00:23:55,901
He's driving me.
380
00:23:55,936 --> 00:23:57,016
Andrew.
381
00:23:59,381 --> 00:24:03,181
A lot of shit's been going on,
and you've had a big hand in it.
382
00:24:03,216 --> 00:24:04,986
Both of you.
Mate, we've had nothing...
383
00:24:05,021 --> 00:24:07,261
Don't interrupt, 'cause I'm not
gonna argue the toss with you.
384
00:24:07,296 --> 00:24:08,506
'Cause right now,
385
00:24:08,541 --> 00:24:13,781
I don't care why this bloke
or that bloke had to be knocked.
386
00:24:13,816 --> 00:24:16,461
What I care about...
My condolences about the Munster.
387
00:24:16,496 --> 00:24:19,958
He was a top bloke.
You just shut up.
388
00:24:19,993 --> 00:24:23,421
You are not even fit
to mention his name.
389
00:24:23,456 --> 00:24:26,379
You put your guns away.
390
00:24:27,781 --> 00:24:29,214
You hearing me, Andrew?
391
00:24:32,221 --> 00:24:33,973
Mate, it's over.
392
00:25:21,701 --> 00:25:24,056
He says he wants us to move on.
393
00:25:25,181 --> 00:25:27,979
But does he mean it?
Is he just setting me up?
394
00:25:29,541 --> 00:25:31,141
What do you think, Benji?
395
00:25:31,176 --> 00:25:33,371
Benji!
396
00:25:37,621 --> 00:25:41,136
You know Mick better than me.
You know Mick better than anyone.
397
00:25:43,501 --> 00:25:45,941
Mick don't take shit
from no-one, Carl.
398
00:25:45,976 --> 00:25:47,906
That includes you.
399
00:25:47,941 --> 00:25:50,330
What's that supposed to mean?
400
00:25:51,861 --> 00:25:53,626
He's gonna kill you, man.
401
00:25:53,661 --> 00:25:56,050
I mean, unless you kill him first.
402
00:26:24,621 --> 00:26:26,426
Hello?
403
00:26:26,461 --> 00:26:29,301
Well, you gonna wish me
a happy birthday?
404
00:26:29,336 --> 00:26:32,141
Hey, Roberta.
Happy birthday.
405
00:26:32,176 --> 00:26:33,786
Guess what I'm doing.
406
00:26:33,821 --> 00:26:36,779
I'm having a bath
in French fuckin' champagne.
407
00:26:39,741 --> 00:26:41,561
You got a prezzie for me?
408
00:26:41,596 --> 00:26:43,346
Yeah, of course I have, babe.
409
00:26:43,381 --> 00:26:44,981
Am I ever gonna
see your face again?
410
00:26:45,016 --> 00:26:46,501
You just try and stop me.
411
00:26:46,536 --> 00:26:47,946
No, the song.
412
00:26:47,981 --> 00:26:50,861
# Am I ever gonna
see ya face again?
413
00:26:50,896 --> 00:26:52,306
# No way, get... #
414
00:26:52,341 --> 00:26:54,218
Yeah, yeah, I know, I know.
415
00:26:56,381 --> 00:26:57,780
And, Benj...
416
00:27:00,101 --> 00:27:01,773
I love you.
417
00:27:05,221 --> 00:27:06,700
I know.
418
00:27:15,781 --> 00:27:17,946
You off to work?
Uh, yeah.
419
00:27:17,981 --> 00:27:19,901
You want something
to eat first, or?
420
00:27:19,936 --> 00:27:22,051
No, Pa, I'm fine.
421
00:27:23,181 --> 00:27:24,661
You be careful, huh?
422
00:27:24,696 --> 00:27:26,834
Yeah.
423
00:27:26,869 --> 00:27:28,972
Andrew.
424
00:27:31,621 --> 00:27:33,259
Come here.
425
00:27:37,021 --> 00:27:37,976
Hmm?
426
00:27:55,901 --> 00:27:58,181
G'day, Mick.
G'day, Mick.
427
00:27:58,216 --> 00:28:00,426
Anything you want done today?
428
00:28:00,461 --> 00:28:02,417
Just be on standby in case
anything comes up, yeah?
429
00:28:10,581 --> 00:28:12,061
Oh, thanks for coming.
430
00:28:12,096 --> 00:28:13,666
Take a seat.
431
00:28:13,701 --> 00:28:17,461
You have a cheque for us
432
00:28:17,496 --> 00:28:20,638
in the amount of $1,204,648?
433
00:28:20,673 --> 00:28:23,781
You know, I can read tea-leaves.
434
00:28:23,816 --> 00:28:25,466
I can foretell the future.
435
00:28:25,501 --> 00:28:29,666
And if I choose to contest
this number 1-2-0-4-6-4-8,
436
00:28:29,701 --> 00:28:33,221
we are going to spend a lot of time
in court together, you and me.
437
00:28:33,256 --> 00:28:35,341
You'd lose and pay costs.
438
00:28:35,376 --> 00:28:36,826
But if I win,
439
00:28:36,861 --> 00:28:40,901
it will cost the taxpayer
more than $1.2 million.
440
00:28:40,936 --> 00:28:43,096
So you want to hear
my counteroffer?
441
00:28:44,701 --> 00:28:47,301
I agree that I have to
pay you some money.
442
00:28:47,336 --> 00:28:48,973
That is only fair and just.
443
00:28:50,141 --> 00:28:54,941
There is $200,000 there,
and it's all yours if you rip that up.
444
00:28:54,976 --> 00:28:57,301
So why don't you go back
to your masters
445
00:28:57,336 --> 00:29:00,099
and you tell 'em the situation?
446
00:29:02,621 --> 00:29:04,418
'Cause I got a busy day
ahead of me.
447
00:30:28,821 --> 00:30:30,266
Sit, sit, sit.
448
00:30:30,301 --> 00:30:32,941
Giovanni! A peppermint tea and...
What do you want? What do you want?
449
00:30:32,976 --> 00:30:36,901
Uh, normal cappuccino.
Don't make it too strong.
450
00:30:36,936 --> 00:30:38,778
Sit down, sit down. Sit down.
451
00:30:41,221 --> 00:30:43,860
So, what's with the peppermint tea?
452
00:30:51,381 --> 00:30:52,826
How's me old mate doing?
453
00:30:52,861 --> 00:30:56,786
Ronnie? Oh, he's going real well.
454
00:30:56,821 --> 00:30:59,301
Yeah, he looks...
Iooks fucking real good.
455
00:30:59,336 --> 00:31:01,266
Yeah, he looks terrific.
456
00:31:01,301 --> 00:31:03,818
But he's gonna have an X-ray soon.
457
00:31:03,853 --> 00:31:06,335
See what the cancer looks like.
458
00:31:14,581 --> 00:31:17,778
So why have you been
avoiding me, champ? Hmm?
459
00:31:21,181 --> 00:31:23,979
Mick, who's avoiding you?
460
00:31:25,261 --> 00:31:27,138
Here I am.
461
00:31:28,541 --> 00:31:30,259
You... you want a chat?
462
00:31:34,741 --> 00:31:36,174
Yeah, I do.
463
00:32:23,941 --> 00:32:26,821
Fuck you!
464
00:32:31,781 --> 00:32:34,781
Giovanni. There's been some trouble.
465
00:32:34,816 --> 00:32:36,931
I just shot Andrew Veniamin.
466
00:32:40,941 --> 00:32:43,981
He's dead. Call the police.
467
00:32:44,016 --> 00:32:45,146
Fuck!
468
00:32:45,181 --> 00:32:46,899
Call the police.
469
00:33:17,181 --> 00:33:19,346
I keep hearing that you think
that I killed Graham.
470
00:33:19,381 --> 00:33:22,221
Well, Andrew, to be honest with you,
mate, that's what I keep hearing.
471
00:33:22,256 --> 00:33:24,661
Mick, why would I fuck with you?
You're a mate of mine.
472
00:33:24,696 --> 00:33:27,106
Dino Dibra. Paul Kallipolitis.
Yeah...
473
00:33:27,141 --> 00:33:28,861
They were your mates...
They fucking deserved it!
474
00:33:28,896 --> 00:33:30,533
They were dogs.
475
00:33:59,661 --> 00:34:01,106
Good afternoon.
476
00:34:01,141 --> 00:34:03,341
As you would have just heard,
there seems to have been
477
00:34:03,376 --> 00:34:05,381
another gangland slaying
here in Melbourne.
478
00:34:05,416 --> 00:34:07,478
That has to be
either 22 or number 23.
479
00:34:07,513 --> 00:34:09,506
According to the news that's just in,
480
00:34:09,541 --> 00:34:13,501
a man has been shot dead in the
inner Melbourne suburb of Carlton.
481
00:34:13,536 --> 00:34:15,546
Ambulance Service spokesman
James Howe
482
00:34:15,581 --> 00:34:19,066
says they received a call
to attend the scene of a shooting
483
00:34:19,101 --> 00:34:22,861
near the corner of Faraday and
Rathdowne streets just before 3pm.
484
00:34:22,896 --> 00:34:25,238
The man was dead
when paramedics arrived.
485
00:34:25,273 --> 00:34:27,581
It happened outside
La Porcella restaurant.
486
00:34:27,616 --> 00:34:29,506
Sounds like something
487
00:34:29,541 --> 00:34:31,821
out of the Mafia days
in New York City, doesn't it?
488
00:34:31,856 --> 00:34:33,906
As I understand it, um...
489
00:34:33,941 --> 00:34:37,661
As I understand it, uh, the...
the man who is dead, we have a name.
490
00:34:37,696 --> 00:34:39,746
We can't confirm it yet,
491
00:34:39,781 --> 00:34:43,861
but the man who is dead is
an associate of Carl Williams.
492
00:34:43,896 --> 00:34:45,798
We go straight now,
on that shooting,
493
00:34:45,833 --> 00:34:47,666
to Aaron Young,
through to a news report.
494
00:34:47,701 --> 00:34:49,821
Aaron, good afternoon.
Good afternoon to you, Derryn.
495
00:34:49,856 --> 00:34:51,413
Oi, Owen!
496
00:34:56,101 --> 00:34:58,490
I heard there was a shooting.
What happened?
497
00:35:00,501 --> 00:35:02,059
Andrew Veniamin's been shot.
498
00:35:03,621 --> 00:35:05,746
Dead?
499
00:35:05,781 --> 00:35:08,454
Who did it?
500
00:35:10,061 --> 00:35:11,494
Who did it?
501
00:35:15,301 --> 00:35:17,581
Oh, Jesus, it's Mick Gatto.
502
00:35:17,616 --> 00:35:20,254
Oh, fuck.
503
00:35:38,501 --> 00:35:39,980
And what happened next?
504
00:35:44,621 --> 00:35:48,461
I said, um, "Dino Dibra and
Paul Kallipolitis were your mates,
505
00:35:48,496 --> 00:35:50,626
"but you fucking killed them."
506
00:35:50,661 --> 00:35:52,906
He said they deserved it,
they were dogs.
507
00:35:52,941 --> 00:35:56,821
And I'm looking him in the eyes,
and his face goes kind of funny,
508
00:35:56,856 --> 00:35:58,306
he takes a step back,
509
00:35:58,341 --> 00:36:01,321
and he says,
"We had to kill Graham, but...
510
00:36:01,356 --> 00:36:04,301
"We had to kill fucking Graham.
Fuck him.
511
00:36:04,336 --> 00:36:05,746
"And fuck you."
512
00:36:05,781 --> 00:36:08,781
And I never seen where he got it from,
but he pulled out a gun,
513
00:36:08,816 --> 00:36:11,301
and that's when I lunged,
and I grabbed his arm.
514
00:36:11,336 --> 00:36:14,850
Grabbed his arm with my hand.
515
00:36:16,101 --> 00:36:18,301
And then the gun went off
past my head.
516
00:36:19,301 --> 00:36:23,141
Grabbed his hands with both my hands
and pushed his hands,
517
00:36:23,176 --> 00:36:24,946
'cause his hands
were still on the trigger.
518
00:36:24,981 --> 00:36:28,101
And I squeezed his hands,
forced him to pull the trigger.
519
00:36:28,136 --> 00:36:30,866
And then it was just bang, bang.
520
00:36:30,901 --> 00:36:33,779
And I don't remember
where it went or whatever.
521
00:36:36,381 --> 00:36:37,973
So what happens now?
522
00:36:39,301 --> 00:36:41,866
We'll swab you for gunshot residue,
523
00:36:41,901 --> 00:36:43,861
take your photograph,
your fingerprints
524
00:36:43,896 --> 00:36:45,374
and remand you into custody.
525
00:36:48,861 --> 00:36:51,026
Mr Veniamin?
526
00:36:51,061 --> 00:36:54,301
Detectives James and Owen,
Purana Taskforce.
527
00:36:54,336 --> 00:36:56,866
Sir, I've got
some bad news for you.
528
00:36:56,901 --> 00:36:59,501
Your son Andrew was shot dead
this afternoon.
529
00:36:59,536 --> 00:37:03,733
May we call someone for you?
530
00:37:05,741 --> 00:37:09,301
Mr Veniamin, do you understand?
531
00:37:09,336 --> 00:37:11,610
Andrew is dead?
532
00:37:22,941 --> 00:37:25,455
Thank you. I understand.
533
00:37:29,501 --> 00:37:30,980
Yes, boss?
534
00:37:33,341 --> 00:37:34,933
Are they sure?
535
00:37:36,741 --> 00:37:38,174
Alright, thanks.
536
00:37:40,621 --> 00:37:42,581
The transcribers have been
working through
537
00:37:42,616 --> 00:37:44,706
the listening device backlog.
538
00:37:44,741 --> 00:37:46,386
Guess who was home
safe and sound
539
00:37:46,421 --> 00:37:47,901
watching Christmas carols
with Mum and Dad
540
00:37:47,936 --> 00:37:49,334
the night Kinniburgh was shot.
541
00:37:50,741 --> 00:37:51,776
Benji.
542
00:37:55,381 --> 00:37:57,386
Who the hell was it, then?
543
00:37:57,421 --> 00:38:00,299
I thought that was one file
we could put away.
544
00:38:03,381 --> 00:38:06,461
You've lost
someone important to you.
545
00:38:06,496 --> 00:38:09,101
A relative or close friend.
546
00:38:09,136 --> 00:38:11,781
Very close friend.
547
00:38:11,816 --> 00:38:13,386
Very close.
548
00:38:13,421 --> 00:38:16,458
Do you have something
belonging to this departed one?
549
00:38:26,821 --> 00:38:33,061
I have a strong sense of a man
trying to make contact.
550
00:38:33,096 --> 00:38:36,101
Yeah. He's a man.
Can you see him?
551
00:38:36,136 --> 00:38:38,258
I'm getting a message.
552
00:38:38,293 --> 00:38:40,452
I can see a letter.
553
00:38:40,487 --> 00:38:42,611
The letter 'S'.
554
00:38:43,821 --> 00:38:47,701
Think hard. It's important.
He's being pulled away from us.
555
00:38:47,736 --> 00:38:49,741
Sunshine. He grew up in Sunshine.
556
00:38:49,776 --> 00:38:51,186
Yes!
557
00:38:51,221 --> 00:38:57,581
Yes, I can see the sun shining,
shining all around him like...
558
00:38:57,616 --> 00:38:59,597
... like a halo.
559
00:38:59,632 --> 00:39:01,579
What's his name?
560
00:39:03,821 --> 00:39:06,461
Benji.
That's right.
561
00:39:06,496 --> 00:39:07,946
Benjamin.
562
00:39:07,981 --> 00:39:10,541
No, um, we called him Benji,
but his name's Andrew.
563
00:39:10,576 --> 00:39:12,666
Correct.
564
00:39:12,701 --> 00:39:18,541
He wants you to know
he's looking over you.
565
00:39:18,576 --> 00:39:23,021
Benji's looking after you, Roberta.
566
00:39:24,701 --> 00:39:26,421
Tell him I love him.
567
00:39:26,456 --> 00:39:27,866
He knows.
568
00:39:27,901 --> 00:39:31,157
Oh, my word, yes, he knows.
569
00:39:31,192 --> 00:39:34,413
And he wants you to know...
570
00:39:36,741 --> 00:39:41,371
... that he loves you
with all of his heart.
571
00:39:51,821 --> 00:39:53,666
The Deputy Commissioner says
572
00:39:53,701 --> 00:39:56,581
you're a prime target in the
gangland war, Carl Williams.
573
00:39:56,616 --> 00:39:58,026
What do you say to that?
574
00:39:58,061 --> 00:39:59,699
I haven't got any enemies, Derryn.
575
00:40:01,461 --> 00:40:04,021
Do you have any message
for Andrew Veniamin's killer?
576
00:40:05,101 --> 00:40:08,537
If anyone wants to
come get me, come get me.
577
00:40:09,981 --> 00:40:11,573
Just don't miss.
578
00:40:21,141 --> 00:40:25,626
On June 15, 2005,
after eight hours deliberation,
579
00:40:25,661 --> 00:40:29,701
a supreme court jury rejected
the Crown's case against Mick Gatto.
580
00:40:29,736 --> 00:40:33,741
He was found not guilty of murdering
Andrew Veniamin, and acquitted.
581
00:40:33,776 --> 00:40:36,106
Gatto's solicitor, Brian Rolfe,
582
00:40:36,141 --> 00:40:39,981
said the prosecution case
was based on theory, not facts.
583
00:40:40,016 --> 00:40:42,386
The prosecution
could never establish
584
00:40:42,421 --> 00:40:45,661
that Andrew Veniamin did not
bring the gun to the restaurant.
585
00:40:45,696 --> 00:40:47,746
"Thank God for the jury system,
586
00:40:47,781 --> 00:40:51,026
"and thank God for my barrister,
Robert Richter," said Gatto.
587
00:40:51,061 --> 00:40:56,021
Mr Rolfe said his client's first wish,
after 15 months in custody,
588
00:40:56,056 --> 00:41:00,981
was to have a nice meal, probably
in Carlton, but not at La Porcella.
589
00:41:01,016 --> 00:41:04,261
No-one's been charged with
Graham Kinniburgh's murder.
590
00:41:04,296 --> 00:41:06,092
We're still working on that one.
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