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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,000 [man] The term "pre-crime" comes from this movie, 2 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,920 Minority Report, in which a prediction is being made 3 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,200 about something an individual has not yet done 4 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,680 but is going to do, and a preemptive arrest is made 5 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,720 of someone before they've performed the act. 6 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,520 [man 2] If you would have asked me 37 years ago 7 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,960 if we would have gunshot detection or video cameras in neighborhoods 8 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,400 or be able to predict where crimes occur, 9 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,000 I would have said you're crazy. 10 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:32,800 [man 3] It's not aiming to a certain future, 11 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:34,640 the future is already in the present right now. 12 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,040 It's the securitization of our society. 13 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,080 [man 4] I have no idea what the next five or ten years 14 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:47,320 is going to mean to law enforcement in terms of technology advancement. 15 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,520 Just looking at where we've come so far, 16 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,280 it's gonna be mind-boggling. 17 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,440 [man 5] Can we predict an actual crime event before it occurs? 18 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,040 [waves crashing] 19 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,120 [man] When I heard of this story for the first time, 20 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,080 I thought, "Now it's finally happening." 21 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,320 Hollywood has eventually merged with real life. 22 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,120 Software that predicts where and when 23 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,760 the next crime occurs, police that arrive at the crime scene 24 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,680 before the perpetrator, 25 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,400 computers that generate lists with tomorrow's murders. 26 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,600 Pre-crime, they call it. 27 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,680 A friend writes to me, "There's something foreign 28 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,680 "looming on the horizon, and we can only guess 29 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,160 that it will shape us entirely one day." 30 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:28,720 [distant police sirens] 31 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,720 [man 2] Our strategic subject, list, or it's called the SSL, 32 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,080 is a system that we worked with a professor 33 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,040 from the Illinois Institute of Technology, 34 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,080 an academic partner here in Chicago, 35 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,200 to be able to assess and analyze those people 36 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,560 that are at the greatest risk of being a party to violence. 37 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,520 The system is able to prioritize and tell us 38 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,880 those individuals that we really have to focus on, 39 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,440 to work with to try to prevent that violence. 40 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,560 When you have so many different data sets, 41 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,760 or you have so many cameras to watch, which ones do we watch? 42 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,880 Social media, right? So many different social media communications out there. 43 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:21,840 How do you know what to concentrate on? 44 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,960 That's what our predictive aspect towards 45 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,920 that strategic subject list, that's what it does. 46 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,720 [man] They experimented with it a little bit in 2012. 47 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,720 2013 is really when it took off. 48 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,040 They came-- the police department came up with, 49 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:06,840 um, more than 400 names of people who fit that bill. 50 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,120 Individuals who were most likely to be prone to violence, 51 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,240 either as a victim or a perpetrator. 52 00:05:12,280 --> 00:05:15,960 Each of the 22 police districts came up with 20 names. 53 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,880 And they were chosen, I don't know the science of it, 54 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,680 but it was all through mathematical algorithms, basically. 55 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,360 And it didn't have anything to do so much with 56 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,000 them being hardened criminals as much as it had 57 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,840 to do with, "Who are they arrested with?" 58 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:45,720 [mutters indistinctly] 59 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,720 [doorbell rings] 60 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,640 [dog barking] 61 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,720 -Mr. Robert McDaniel? -Yes. 62 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,320 Hi, I'm Commander West and I am with 63 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,680 the 15th District Chicago Police Department. 64 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,280 -May we come in? -Yes. 65 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,160 [Gorner] Like, take Robert McDaniel, for example. 66 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,600 He was not a hardened criminal. 67 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,440 He had been arrested for many minor offenses, 68 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,120 like gambling, shooting dice, or smoking marijuana. 69 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,600 Minor offenses, but the people who he was arrested with 70 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,840 during those crimes, some of them, 71 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,880 or least one of them, was a victim of violence. 72 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,040 So, the logic was is that, well, Robert belongs 73 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:06,040 on the list because he has a relationship with somebody 74 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,760 who's been a victim of violence, 75 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,440 because he's been arrested with that person before. 76 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,240 [man] I was unemployed, a school dropout. 77 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,000 It was either go get work or sell drugs in the street, 78 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,760 and selling drugs wasn't for me. 79 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,840 I tried to put myself... 80 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,600 I tried to get my GED. That didn't work. 81 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,520 And in the midst of me trying to get my GED, 82 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:45,720 I started getting followed home, started having police officers 83 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,000 walk up on me, ride up on me, saying my name, government name, 84 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:53,000 where I had been and... just things like that. 85 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:58,360 Then... I had Miss Officer West 86 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,760 and a social worker-- I can't remember his name, 87 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:06,040 but they had stopped at my home, they stopped at my house 88 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:11,320 and subpoenaed me, told me that I was put through some type of test, 89 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:17,040 they're saying I was supposed to be eligible to shoot somebody or get myself shot. 90 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:21,440 That I was put on the Heat List of 400 people in Chicago. 91 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,120 Mr. McDaniel, as part of our violent reduction strategy, 92 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:30,680 our software has generated a list of potential criminals, actors, and victims. 93 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,160 We are here today to inform you of the fact that 94 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,360 our computers have placed you on the Heat List of the police department. 95 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:41,920 Now, should you decide to continue to engage in criminal activity, 96 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,840 you should know we're gonna charge you 97 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,360 and we will prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law. 98 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,640 [McDaniel] I guess we was associated or had friends 99 00:08:54,680 --> 00:08:56,040 that's supposed to be in the streets, 100 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:57,600 or however the scenario go. 101 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,320 But we was put through a test, 102 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:00,880 and we supposed to came out the most... 103 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,640 The, like, top 400 dangerous people in Chicago. 104 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:05,320 Now, yet again, like I asked you, 105 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,760 how can I be dangerous for smoking weed or shooting dice? 106 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,120 Who does this hurt? 107 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,120 [Caluris] The timeline shows all the criminal activity 108 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,000 that that person's associated with. 109 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,160 If you see on the bottom, those are all interactions 110 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,040 that he's had with the police. 111 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:30,920 Either as an arrest, as a contact, 112 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,960 as a victim, anything with it. 113 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,640 So, you know, who he hangs with, you know where he's been, 114 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:37,760 everything to do with him that we've documented 115 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,680 through police interaction. 116 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,840 Scroll down, please, whoever's got that. 117 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,440 This shows-- this is what they'll compile and put together 118 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,240 and get back out into the field within 15 minutes. 119 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:54,000 So, if this person is the victim of a shooting or a violent crime, 120 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,280 they'll pull up there, it's got their criminal history... 121 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,200 That's associates... 122 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,680 So everything you saw before was all the criminal history 123 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,560 involved with that individual, so there's probably 124 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,840 maybe about 25, 30 arrests that you saw on that subject. 125 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,080 The associates, people that they're documented 126 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,280 as having an affiliation with, 127 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,840 that's, again, a pretty comprehensive list. 128 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,160 Certainly, we can actually do even like a link analysis 129 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,000 to be able to show how that network interacts. 130 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,600 The idea that you could essentially connect 131 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,560 all of the data streams that government collects in different ways, 132 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,880 everything from your arrest records, 133 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,360 to your contacts, to your foreclosures, 134 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,520 to your mental health records, to your social benefits, 135 00:11:11,560 --> 00:11:14,480 and put 'em in a particular computer database, 136 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,960 and then be able to do link analysis where you connect a phone number 137 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,480 from all the different sources and go out several links and be able to see the world, 138 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:27,120 is something you would never imagine that is technologically possible now. 139 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:48,160 [man] Let's summarize: 140 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:53,000 Firstly, they are quite serious about fighting crime with algorithms. 141 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,920 Secondly, Robert McDaniel is on the wrong side of the algorithm. 142 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,160 Thirdly, apart from its developers, 143 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,760 nobody knows how the algorithm behind the Heat List works. 144 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:12,280 Fourthly, in 2016, statistically, 145 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:17,320 2.0876 people are killed every day in Chicago. 146 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:26,480 How does an algorithm that promises safety actually work? 147 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,120 [distant police sirens] 148 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,760 [man] We've been using predictive policing 149 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,520 in Kent now for three years. 150 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,560 And we use a system called PredPol. 151 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:36,520 This is a system that is predominantly a patrol strategy for us. 152 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:41,600 So it tells our officers where the high-risk areas are today, 153 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:46,240 and they go to those areas and carry out their duties as they normally would. 154 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,640 We find the system is very adaptable, 155 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,080 very easy for our officers to use. 156 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,800 What we would describe as an operationally ready system. 157 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:14,640 We've helped to develop PredPol, which is an American system, 158 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:20,160 and we've played a large role in what PredPol looks like today. 159 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,120 In terms of the future, we're looking at how we can 160 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,080 protect against less tangible areas 161 00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:28,640 around organized crime and modern slavery, 162 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:33,200 sexual crime, and protecting our borders. 163 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:34,920 And that's the next big challenge for us, 164 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,720 and we're working with PredPol around data fusion, 165 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,680 and also with the home office, the government in the UK, 166 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:46,960 to produce more and better predictive policing models. 167 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,160 [waves crashing] 168 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:03,800 [man] That's quite a remarkable list. 169 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,000 Organized crime, 170 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,280 human trafficking, sexual offenses, border security. 171 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:14,080 An algorithm that targets criminals just as migrants. 172 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,520 Question: what else does it target? 173 00:18:20,120 --> 00:18:22,920 Question: who gets what kind of security? 174 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,120 Question: who is protected by the algorithm 175 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:29,880 and who isn't? 176 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,640 [Johnson] What's embedded within the algorithm, within PredPol, 177 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,480 is something called routine activity theory, 178 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,520 which is-- as you know, we to tend to do the same things 179 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,560 day in, day out, in the same way. 180 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,320 You know, I go to the same supermarket, 181 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:44,360 I tend to drive the same direction to that supermarket, 182 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,760 even though I don't have to. I tend to go to the same bar. 183 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,480 Um... criminals are the same, you know, 184 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,560 they're creatures of habit, and they don't like to take risks. 185 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,280 A lot of the theory and research within PredPol 186 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:01,400 is based on some pretty heavy criminological research, 187 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,600 most of it done in Europe that says, you know what? 188 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,600 There's a lot around repeat behavior, 189 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,440 repeat behavior of victims as well as criminals. 190 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,320 What we did initially with the system is give it, 191 00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:14,800 it was put through five years worth of crime data 192 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,400 and three year's worth of antisocial behavior data. 193 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,520 So if you think about how long we've had it in place now, 194 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,920 that means we've got eight years of crime data in it 195 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,560 and about six years of antisocial behavior data. 196 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,200 We send data over on a daily basis 197 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,520 and the data is analyzed, and then that is sent back to us 198 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,320 in the form of Google Maps with red boxes on it. 199 00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:40,240 Those boxes represent the high-risk areas 200 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,400 that we then say to our officers, 201 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,000 "Get in the box and police what you see." 202 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,200 [Gorner] They have like a ranking system... 203 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,480 which shows how many times more likely are they 204 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,840 than the general population to be prone to violence. 205 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,760 So, Robert had a rating of 215, 206 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,080 which meant he's 215 times 207 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:40,240 more likely to be prone to violence. 208 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,120 But Robert wasn't... I mean, that paled in comparison 209 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,560 to a number of other people on the list. 210 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,400 There were a lot of people on that list 211 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,360 who were than 500 times more likely 212 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,880 to be party to violence. 213 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,200 And, again, that's not because of their criminal history. 214 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,720 That's because of the people they've been arrested with. 215 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,640 [man on P.A.] Doors closing. 216 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,160 [Ferguson] You know, so, this is what's really frightening, 217 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,120 is that there are companies now scoring every citizen. 218 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,000 And our political elections right now, 219 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,200 the Republicans and Democrats are really doing 220 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,760 this nanotargeting where they really are scoring 221 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,920 families to the address, right? So that information's out there. 222 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,120 It's not really out there whether they're a felon or not, 223 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,560 but it is out there. 224 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,240 And so what the police here are doing, 225 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,280 is they're literally just purchasing the information 226 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,000 that other people already have. 227 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,160 Now that scored society, of course, is frightening. 228 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,080 Of course it's not just a privacy sense 229 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:46,800 that you are giving out this information. 230 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,360 It's about a government owning this information, right? 231 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,240 This is a different situation. 232 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,200 In America, we are pretty willing to let big companies 233 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,440 like Google and Apple know pretty much everything about ourselves, 234 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,560 but we're more reluctant to have government, and that's a good line to draw. 235 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,320 What's happening here is this sort of data convergence, 236 00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:07,320 where you're really seeing private companies 237 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:10,080 collecting this information, and then essentially selling it 238 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:13,440 or offering it through different services to law enforcement. 239 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,040 And people do know that information. 240 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,480 Even if the police don't have it, 241 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,000 the private companies do have it, 242 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,720 and that's part of where we are now 243 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,080 as technology is collecting as much information 244 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:23,880 about us as it can. 245 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,960 [man] Facebook like, click, saved. 246 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,760 We deliver the data which generates information about us 247 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,080 that circulate on the internet until the next update 248 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:58,120 creates yet another data set, and so on. 249 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,000 Data mining endlessly. 250 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:06,080 Somewhere fairly lost at the bottom of the digital food chain, 251 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:08,720 there are people like Robert McDaniel. 252 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,360 Privacy? What privacy? 253 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,160 [man] Whenever someone fills out an application for a loan, 254 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,880 they're going to be providing certain information. 255 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,520 The Beware Software, they access databases 256 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,240 from financial institutions, the courts, 257 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,880 any type of loaning institutions. 258 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:04,520 Beware has the ability to access all of those databases, simultaneously. 259 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,920 So when a call comes in to our dispatch center 260 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,680 and it is categorized as a life-threatening call or a in-progress crime, 261 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:17,440 then-- and there's an address attached-- the Beware Software 262 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,520 automatically searches all of these databases 263 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,480 and then provides the operator in the real-time crime center, 264 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,520 information specific to that address. 265 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,240 People that have lived there, do live there, 266 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,160 their cell phone numbers, prior addresses, associates. 267 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,520 The other piece that Beware allows for 268 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,880 is to research social media 269 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,080 and to gather any type of information 270 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,240 that might be in there in terms of threats. 271 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,120 The theory behind Beware makes a lot of sense. 272 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,120 If I was that police officer on the street 273 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,400 and I was entering a house and I didn't know who lived there, 274 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,520 I'd want all the information I could. 275 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,720 But the problem is, if it's sourced through these data brokers, 276 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,600 there just isn't really much accuracy. 277 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,920 So, you might be arriving at a house, and the address alerts 278 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,480 says "a dangerous place," that maybe somebody lives there. 279 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,320 Maybe that dangerous person moved. 280 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,800 The problem is accuracy. I mean, have you ever gotten 281 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,160 the wrong catalog in the mail and, like, "Why did someone send me a particular catalog? 282 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,880 I don't have children, why do I have it?" 283 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,800 That's the inaccuracy that comes along with these 284 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,360 data brokers, right? 285 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,760 They don't need to be perfect, 286 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,000 because what they're really doing is trying to sell products to people. 287 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,000 Well, if the algorithms used in the private sector 288 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,440 have allowed them to become more successful 289 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,120 in targeting their audience to sell product, 290 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,320 then we should take advantage of that same algorithm 291 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,240 that allows us to become more successful 292 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,800 in law enforcement and preventing crime. 293 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,000 [people chattering] 294 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,560 [man] In the case of the Beware Software, 295 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:08,120 I think the bad far outweighs any potential good. 296 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,320 And I can see how in a perfect world, 297 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:11,960 and if the software were perfect, 298 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,480 it could help make police officers safer. 299 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,360 The problem is, nothing is perfect. 300 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,280 For instance, one of the things that the software 301 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,200 company says that it looks at 302 00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:27,600 are postings on social media, such as Facebook and Twitter. 303 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,400 There was one woman in another city who was flagged in the software 304 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,840 for making comments on Twitter about rage. 305 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,760 Rage has a very specific meaning in terms of anger, 306 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,240 violence, but the rage she was talking about 307 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,400 was a card game called "Rage" that had nothing to do 308 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,280 with violence, or aggression, or anything like that. 309 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,840 Yet she was flagged as being a possible problem 310 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,800 because she had sent these messages about rage. 311 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,200 And what if someone is making comments about that they don't trust the police? 312 00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:01,040 Is that gonna flag them as being a potential problem? 313 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:06,800 So there are too many opportunities for the computer to get it wrong. 314 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,160 And if they get it wrong coupled with a police department 315 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,520 that already is much more likely than other police departments 316 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,520 to shoot citizens, 317 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,000 that's a recipe, potentially, for disaster. 318 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,120 [waves crashing] 319 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:29,840 [man] Taking up one question again. 320 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,520 Why are we forcing these technologies upon ourselves? 321 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,680 The Silicon Valleys of this world are making 322 00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:39,800 a lot of money with them, okay. 323 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:45,080 We, the users, enjoy the comfort in Google land, fine. 324 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,480 And that's it? 325 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,240 What if the internet, fed by the permanent feedback of its users, 326 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,920 already had its virtual awakening? 327 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,440 What if it developed its own needs and interests? 328 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,400 If it was always leading us to more convenient technologies 329 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,960 because we pay for it with private data? 330 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,800 What if freedom was just an illusion? 331 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,320 [man] If we build a game, a city game, 332 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,920 in which technology's in everything and you're a hacker, 333 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,120 then you'll have a lot of control and a lot of power. 334 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,760 So that was an interesting idea for us. 335 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,240 So I started doing research. 336 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,440 And we started looking at what existed already. 337 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,000 And we started seeing that a lot of that technology was already out there. 338 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,560 That it was technically almost feasible to do that. 339 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,920 So instead of us trying to invent science-fiction, 340 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,800 we started grounding our creation to reality. 341 00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,840 You know, we've all heard of big data, 342 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,960 the notion that all those cameras, 343 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,000 but also all those devices-- our phones, 344 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,920 computers we use, the chips in our cars-- 345 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,720 they're gathering our informations. 346 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,280 Those informations are stored. We don't even know where. 347 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,360 Oftentimes we accept that they get accumulated. 348 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,560 And big data, it's a neutral technology. 349 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,440 It can be used for good, it can be used for bad. 350 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,560 We like calling it the digital shadow of people. 351 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,440 You knew what was their earnings... 352 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,760 you know, some important facts of their lives. 353 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,760 And as you go around the game simulation, 354 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,920 you could open what we called a profiler, 355 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,440 which would tap in all those devices, 356 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,200 do facial recognition and all that, 357 00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:35,960 and give you information on the citizens 358 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,440 of our virtual Chicago. 359 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,360 This is not a dystopian game. 360 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,560 It happens in a little different version of our world. 361 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:56,920 It's very much grounded in reality, 362 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,960 but we turn the dial to 11 363 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,920 and we say, "What if this happened?" 364 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,600 And so it's not the dystopian reality, 365 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,320 it's before the dystopian reality, 366 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,000 when things can be done about it. 367 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,760 [man] "Metropolitan Police, territorial police, 368 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,040 "are working together for a safer London. 369 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,960 "To who it may concern, the Metropolitan Police service 370 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,480 "and all of its partners are committed 371 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,360 "to reducing knife and gang crime. 372 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,280 "Information indicates that you have, or are associated with, 373 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:29,880 "a gang that is linked to crime. 374 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,840 If you are involved in crime and do not stop..." 375 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,080 "If you are involved in crime and do not stop, 376 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,320 "you may be targeted by the police and partner agencies. 377 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,680 "Under a piece of legalization called Joint Enterprise, 378 00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:54,760 "you may be convicted of a crime and sent to prison 379 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,120 "for just being present when a serious crime is committed 380 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,160 "or being with those persons who commit a crime 381 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,880 "and you don't try to stop it. 382 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,240 "You will need to change your lifestyle. 383 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,760 We can help you to do this." 384 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,280 [chuckles] 385 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,640 "You can speak in confidence to a police officer 386 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:17,040 "and/or contact any of the organizations listed at the end of this letter. 387 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,400 "I would encourage you to speak to them, 388 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,480 "as they can help you break any gang links. 389 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,840 Yours sincerely, borough commander." 390 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,640 That's some bullshit. 391 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,680 Reading that letter just took me back 392 00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:36,600 to when I first received it. 393 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:41,120 And it's funny, 'cause everybody that's in my circle, 394 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,520 yeah, we all received that at the same time. 395 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,200 You can't ever, ever let somebody tell you 396 00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:52,640 that you can't chill around somebody, 397 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,040 you can't go to a certain area, you can't do certain things. 398 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,680 Especially when these people are trying to bring us down. 399 00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:00,840 They put things like this into place just so that 400 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,280 we can act up and-- do you know what I'm saying? 401 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,760 Because what they don't realize, yeah-- 402 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,400 actually, no, they do realize it. 403 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:09,800 The police do realize it. 404 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,560 They realize that we haven't got a voice. 405 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,200 Do you know what I'm saying? 406 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:15,720 It's like when you was in school once upon a time 407 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,520 and you put your hand up to ask the teacher something 408 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,200 or to answer a question, and the teacher don't point at you. 409 00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:25,360 And you get frustrated, do you know what I'm saying? You get frustrated. 410 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,040 The teacher don't notice you until you get mad. 411 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,160 That's the only time that they notice you. 412 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,520 So that's how the mentality of us... 413 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,360 The only way that we can get our point across 414 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,560 is by putting fear into people because that's the only time 415 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,120 that they're willing to listen to us. 416 00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,520 [man] The doctrine of Joint Enterprise 417 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,880 was actually brought in over 200 years ago 418 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,720 to stop people encouraging duels. 419 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,000 So, if two people were dueling, whether it's by pistols or swords, 420 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,200 their seconds, who are there to support them, 421 00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:14,960 they can be done for joint enterprise 422 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,440 if someone's killed. 423 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,360 So that doctrine is not actually law. 424 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,440 It is doctrine adopted by the courts. 425 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,200 But it has an operational and tactical implication 426 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:29,200 in terms of the Matrix. 427 00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:31,720 Um, the Matrix wasn't around when I was in the Met. 428 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,400 I retired three years ago. 429 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,920 But the Matrix is primarily an enforcement tool 430 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,400 to be more proactive, 431 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,600 to target those who are committing the crimes. 432 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,360 Unfortunately, when you cast the net very wide, 433 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,440 you are bringing in people who are not necessarily involved in gangs. 434 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,280 [man] For whatever reason they called their database "Matrix." 435 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,600 The name, however, seems like a bow to a technological system. 436 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,040 The London Matrix works like the Heat List in Chicago. 437 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,920 Identify individuals, connect them, 438 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,600 detect patterns and social networks, 439 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:28,000 calculate the statistical possibilities. 440 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:32,760 Score people, issue warnings, keep an eye out. 441 00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:39,400 Question: is there an algorithm targeting corporate crime? 442 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,240 [man] They sit there, they just wait, they just watch. 443 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,000 They have unmarked cars on the block. 444 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,080 And they post up on the sides somewhere they can't be seen, 445 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,320 or they will have officers on foot in plain clothes 446 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,520 to watch what we're doing, like walk around the area, 447 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:07,720 see what's going on and that. 448 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,360 They know who you chill around, they know who you're around, 449 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,080 they know what you do 'cause they're watching, 450 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,280 do you know what I'm saying? 451 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,480 You can't really escape it. 452 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:28,000 I'm doing an anti-gang project in a local area here in East London. 453 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,880 I have clients who are saying, "I have never been involved in a gang." 454 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:37,760 But the real issue is the subjectivity to get people 455 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,640 on the criminal intelligence system, the criminal system. 456 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,360 And then how that then goes into the Matrix, 457 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,040 to then associate people in certain gangs, which are questionable. 458 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,360 So that the thing is who's checking the data entry? 459 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,160 Who's checking those officers who commit those data entries? 460 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:00,960 [man] I don't see myself as a gang member. 461 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,840 I'm not a gang member. 462 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,920 I'm not a gang member, do you know what I'm saying? 463 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,520 I'm just a part of a circle that... 464 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,560 I'm just a part of a tight circle which always 465 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,720 gets shined a dark light on, do you know what I mean? 466 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,640 And always will by them. 467 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,520 [man] If you tell them, "I'm not in a gang," 468 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,280 they'll ask you, "What community are you from?" 469 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:32,880 "Oh, I'm from the [inaudible]." 470 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,680 "Okay, those are Body Snatchers over there. 471 00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:37,080 Those are Four Corner Hustlers. You a Four." 472 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,600 How can you tell me what I am because of my address, because of where I stay? 473 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,240 That's probably where I can only afford to live. That makes no sense. 474 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,920 I just honestly believe they got a job to do, and they want to do it. 475 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,200 If they gotta breed crime, if they gotta make criminals, 476 00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:52,400 if they gotta sit here and convince you that you're a criminal 477 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,120 and provoke you to do it, they'll do it. 478 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,880 Actually, I had a friend killed a couple months-- couple weeks prior to that. 479 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:04,600 Only part I can say is, they labeled it a gang murder. 480 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,560 Now, I guess that's how I got affiliated, 481 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,960 'cause me and a person that was murdered was so close. 482 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,720 But other than that, I actually don't know. 483 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,960 But like I said, I ain't did nothing that the next kid did. 484 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,280 [woman] They haven't told us what the algorithm is 485 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,440 that they're using to identify people. 486 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,080 They haven't told us what that data is. 487 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,480 And there's no way to get off the list, 488 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,560 that we're aware of, once you're on it. 489 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,720 So, that's scary to a lot of people. 490 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,880 It's frightening to not know how the list is created, 491 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,360 or to be able to get off of it on the back end. 492 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,120 And they can say that, you know, we're using math, 493 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,200 we're using science as a way to do it. 494 00:48:57,240 --> 00:48:59,440 Math and science aren't always right. 495 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,200 There's been reporting on these algorithms 496 00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:07,760 that are used in sentencing after trials, 497 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,360 where people are given a number to predict whether or not 498 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,440 they're gonna be more likely to engage in crime in the future. 499 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,560 And that impacts their sentences. 500 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:22,000 There's been recent reporting showing that those algorithms 501 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,520 aren't accurate, and that they have a disparate impact on the basis of race. 502 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,920 So, that's a danger of these algorithms 503 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,560 and one of the reasons that we want the police department 504 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,160 to be open about the factors that they're using, 505 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,240 and the algorithms that they're using in this case, 506 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,000 because it should be put to the test. 507 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,960 [man] So, a police department first uploads their data. 508 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,360 This is actually open data from Philadelphia. 509 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,440 It's about 800,000 records. 510 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,560 And a very important point in this software 511 00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,440 is telling the system how important each type of crime is to prevent. 512 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,120 So, the harm created from a homicide is equivalent 513 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,640 to $8.6 million in comparison to, let's say, the robbery, 514 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,320 where it's like $67,000. 515 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,960 So, the system needs to know that so it can know 516 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,280 how to balance the use of resources, right? 517 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:47,000 Is it more important to prevent a very frequent low-level crime, 518 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,600 or a very infrequent high-level crime? 519 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,040 And how to balance those things. 520 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,280 And this is what basically defines that. 521 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,080 So, that's all in the administrative interface, 522 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,240 and then the officer just logs in 523 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,680 and then sees this map of, in this case, 524 00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:06,640 the entire city, and officers in Philadelphia are assigned 525 00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,760 to particular patrol service areas. which are the black boundaries here. 526 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,240 So, they look at the map and zoom in on the beat that they're in, 527 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,040 and they see the boxes, and then the color of the box represents what is the focus. 528 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:25,560 And the tactics is the recommendation from the algorithm, the model? 529 00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,400 From the software, yes. 530 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,720 Which means that in some years, 531 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,520 the machine learning tools will learn which kind of tactics 532 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,000 work with which kind of situation. 533 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,480 [man] Exactly, yes, yes. 534 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,960 All data is biased, but police department data, 535 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,960 incident data, has the potential to be biased in a number of different ways. 536 00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,880 And we cannot eliminate that bias, 537 00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,360 but we can potentially offset it to some extent 538 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,320 by incorporating other data. 539 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,200 We have a number of different components to the software. 540 00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:09,640 One is a planning component 541 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,120 that someone can use at the police station. 542 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:16,960 The second component of the software is a mobile version of the software 543 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,960 that can be in a car or other vehicle, and the police officer 544 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,280 is able to see as the car moves around, 545 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,000 are they inside one of these priority mission patrol areas. 546 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,720 It's actually using the GPS from the tablet 547 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,680 to track our location, and as we enter boxes 548 00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:42,520 it's going to update the display with information about them. 549 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,840 So we actually are just driving through a box right now, which is about robberies. 550 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,760 And if this was our final destination, we would start patrolling 551 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,920 for about ten to 15 minutes in this area. 552 00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,360 It's still relatively unlikely for any crime 553 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,560 to happen in that location at that time. 554 00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,240 It's just that this is the highest-risk location 555 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,040 amongst all the choices that we have available, 556 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,960 and so it's the best place for the officer to spend that free time. 557 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,480 While we are positioning an officer in a particular place, 558 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,480 which means that they're going to be paying attention 559 00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:20,800 to that place, that should not give them the authority 560 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,160 to assume that anyone in that place is a criminal 561 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,680 unless they see something that's actually criminal in nature. 562 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,080 We have generally been very cautious about 563 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:44,680 incorporating any kind of person-centric data into our models. 564 00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:47,960 We believe there's a number of substantial problems with this, 565 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,520 whether it's privacy concern 566 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,080 or just the accuracy of the actual modeling. 567 00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,320 We're not using surveillance data in HunchLab, 568 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,200 but I think it's a key question that our societies need to be asking, 569 00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,880 and under what circumstances is it reasonable 570 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,840 to take advantage of that kind of data? 571 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:34,960 [man] Big data, we the users, and our privacy. 572 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,240 Well, who could have imagined years ago 573 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,480 that Google can algorithmically calculate what I will do tomorrow? 574 00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:49,840 Simultaneously, we activate things that were silent until now. 575 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,880 Everything that once was quiet starts communicating 576 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,360 with the world and sending our data to the internet. 577 00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:01,080 My toothbrush, my TV set, the chip under my skin, 578 00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:05,480 my fitness tracker, the toys of our children. 579 00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,960 [man] I was not aware of these kind of "technologies," 580 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,800 quote unquote, being implemented by the police, et cetera. 581 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,560 It's not particularly surprising, because the technological developments 582 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,600 in terms of policing, be it domestic or globally, 583 00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,840 is developing all the time. 584 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,800 And it's something that we're all privy to, 585 00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,400 we can all see it on our TV screens, 586 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,000 especially when it comes to foreign policy 587 00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,960 and conflicts that the West are conducting abroad. 588 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,640 How do I feel about it? 589 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,840 I'm really concerned, because I work with 590 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,600 a lot of young people and young adults and children 591 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,520 who are, or have been, or will be, unfortunately, 592 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,520 in the short term, most likely be involved in the criminal justice system, 593 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,440 because they come from troubled backgrounds, 594 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,640 or they're working class and they're black people. 595 00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,400 So, if you can use some kind of predictive technology 596 00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,160 and software to predict, 597 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,680 according to what these people do in the future, 598 00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,720 it's not gonna predict anything particularly positive for them. 599 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,040 But if you want to make money, software to have algorithms 600 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,520 to give to the police, it's... 601 00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,760 it's indicative of how our society 602 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,520 is progressing away from human solidarity 603 00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,040 and a human approach, to just squeezing people 604 00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,360 as hard as you can in any and every which way. 605 00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:16,920 [man 1] That's one camera over there. 606 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,480 [man 2] Yeah. 607 00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,320 [man 1] Then there's one camera over there. 608 00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,880 There's one camera over there. 609 00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,200 -You see her? -Yeah. 610 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,160 And then there's another camera just back there, you see? 611 00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:30,880 -Yeah. -Over there. 612 00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,240 And so three murders in the last year in the park. 613 00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,360 So, what the fuck are these cameras doing? 614 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,720 Yeah, if they're not being used to solve murders, 615 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,280 then obviously they've got some kind of different purpose. 616 00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,440 Why are they here? 617 00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,760 They hit a tick box, they say to people, "Oh, we're doing something." 618 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,920 Yeah. And if you look at these cameras, 619 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,520 they're not the kind of ordinary CCTV cameras. 620 00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,600 -They're sophisticated. -Definitely. 621 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,920 [man 2] There's some kind of box attached to it. 622 00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,440 When you think about, three murders happening here 623 00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,600 right as kids play... it's crazy, man. 624 00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,600 This is where my son has played the last 11 years of his life. 625 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,920 And that's why more incidents happen here than in do in, like, gated parks. 626 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,000 that you can't get in. 627 00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:13,080 If you think about how small this park is and how many cameras there are, 628 00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,120 they've got full coverage of it. 629 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,440 And so, you know, where these gang murders are happening, 630 00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,400 it's weird that they're not able to prevent them 631 00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,560 with all the intelligence they have. 632 00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,760 Stingray, triangulation, all this kind of stuff, 633 00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,400 I'm not surprised that it's on this scale, 634 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,440 and I think there's actually, we probably don't know 635 00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,520 most of the kind of surveillance abilities they have. 636 00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,400 I think it's interesting that maybe some of the way 637 00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,240 that they experiment on gangs and the black communities 638 00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:45,000 is also sort of being used in political protests 639 00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:49,080 and political organization as a way of sort of pioneering it and developing it. 640 00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,560 I mean, of course, it's just reflective of the way 641 00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,560 in which police mainly target black males 642 00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,720 when it comes to crime and how they're disproportionately 643 00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,080 stopped and searched, how they're hard-stopped. 644 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,240 [man] I could tell you about a time where I was 645 01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,760 in my auntie's square, just walking. 646 01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,080 I was literally just going to see my auntie. 647 01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,560 I was walking, and then I heard them. 648 01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,160 You know the slider doors on the van? 649 01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,080 I heard the slider door open. 650 01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,520 I wasn't really paying attention to what was behind me, 651 01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,640 but I heard that open and I heard footsteps. 652 01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,800 As soon as I turned around, boom, I'm being tackled to the floor 653 01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,040 and getting my face kicked in by four different officers, 654 01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:49,680 one female, three males, do you know what I'm saying? 655 01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,320 Obviously, they rushed me, they jumped me. 656 01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,480 I couldn't... I'm so excited, 657 01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:59,720 So I couldn't even see faces. I just started swinging. 658 01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,800 I punched a couple of them. 659 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,680 At the station, they said if I admit to hitting a police officer 660 01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,120 they're gonna drop every other charge. 661 01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:08,600 And the other charges was, 662 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,160 I matched the description of a robber. 663 01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,000 Young... [indistinct] 664 01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,120 hooded, blah, blah. 665 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,920 This is Tottenham, breh. This is Tottenham. 666 01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:19,760 What else are you gonna see 667 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,560 besides young [indistinct] in hoods? 668 01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,920 Hoods make us feel comfortable. This is how we dress. 669 01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,960 This is just the culture, do you know what I'm saying? 670 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,880 There's a million other people... why me? 671 01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,080 And I resisted arrest. I resisted arrest, 672 01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,040 so they say they're gonna drop all the other charges 673 01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,520 if I admit to hitting a police officer. 674 01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,760 This is what they do. They're all about setups, man. 675 01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,000 They were on the block watching me, do you know what I'm saying? 676 01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,120 They saw me walking down, they did what they did. 677 01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,840 And you know what? Police are the biggest gang in the world, 678 01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,320 so they got a cheek. 679 01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:13,400 [Logan] We, in London, and the other parts of this country, are a police service. 680 01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,480 So, you've got to know what that means. 681 01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:20,040 That means accountability and transparency 682 01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,400 in all of your processes and practices. 683 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,240 Now I challenged that when I was in the Met, 684 01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,960 when I was chair of the Black Police Association. 685 01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:33,200 I also gave evidence to various inquiries 686 01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,080 that said the police service was institutionally racist 687 01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,120 because of the way in which they conduct themselves. 688 01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:43,120 Now the Matrix, for me, is another form of institutional racism. 689 01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:48,440 It is racial profiling. It is unaccountable. 690 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:52,640 And, as far as I'm concerned, there has to be a way in which you can get off this system, 691 01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:56,640 whether it's the Matrix, the DNA database, you know. 692 01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:02,000 You've got to have a process where people believe 693 01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:05,720 that the police service can be held to account. 694 01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:22,840 [man] Matrix, strategic subject list, no-fly list, 695 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,480 selectee list, terrorist watch list. 696 01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,960 Once on the list, always on the list, 697 01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,160 because the computer says so. 698 01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:36,600 Because, due to the algorithm, nobody is directly responsible. 699 01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:42,280 Because there is no regulated procedure against the errors of the machine. 700 01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:46,600 Because, let's be honest, nobody cares about 701 01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,760 what consequences the decisions of a program have 702 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,000 for the life of Robert McDaniel, or Smurf. 703 01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,680 [Guay] Our main character actually gets unjustly profiled 704 01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,200 by the crime prediction system in the game, 705 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,480 and very early on the player wants to wipe that prediction 706 01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,120 on his person, because it's unjust. 707 01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:49,560 He doesn't feel it's justified. 708 01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:51,280 It thinks it's arbitrary 709 01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,280 that some code decided that he's a criminal 710 01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:54,720 because of this and that reason. 711 01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:56,280 So we're kind of twisting the perspective 712 01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:57,880 from the being the vigilante, 713 01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,920 now you're potentially the unjustly profiled 714 01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:01,440 by the algorithm. 715 01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,960 [sirens] 716 01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,280 Codes don't have a conscience, and people who write code, 717 01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,960 they don't always know exactly what's gonna happen afterwards. 718 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:20,040 There's a part of it that is beyond the moment where it's being engineered. 719 01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,320 And so, since code doesn't have a conscience, 720 01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,280 and the programmer doesn't always realize all the repercussions 721 01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,520 of what he's programming, and he doesn't know 722 01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:31,240 the extent of the data it's gonna be treating in the decades afterwards, 723 01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:35,240 there is a point where, who's responsible, really, for the code's decision? 724 01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,000 [Ferguson] If the Roberts of the world are walking down the street 725 01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:49,760 and police know who's on the Heat List, 726 01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,400 they might get stopped easier, might get searched more often, 727 01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,600 they might really feel like they were living in a true police state. 728 01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,400 And from the police perspective, they're like, 729 01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,200 "No, we're just targeting the worst of the worst. 730 01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:00,560 This person happens to be on it." 731 01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:02,120 The negative way of looking at that 732 01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,080 is probably closer to the perspective of the young man 733 01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,880 whose door is knocked on by a detective who is there 734 01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,520 to essentially inform him that there is a new surveillance 735 01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,840 with his name, and in fact they'll give him a letter, 736 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:18,160 a custom notification letter with his name on it, with his prior record, 737 01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,800 and with the future consequences should he mess up. 738 01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:25,280 A very directed, very personal message of, 739 01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,400 "We are watching you, we are surveilling you, 740 01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,040 "we are giving you a chance to avoid violence 741 01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,320 "or to be caught up and be arrested. 742 01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,120 And you need to choose wisely." 743 01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,360 [McDaniel] If I was to commit a crime or a murder right now, 744 01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,280 they'd parade themselves. 745 01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,080 Medals, honors. "Oh, we was right, look, our test." 746 01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:51,840 Like, that's what I think they're looking for. 747 01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:55,120 They got a grant, they made up a theory, 748 01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,360 they started a program, and now they want results. 749 01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,720 For whoever gave their money to fund this, 750 01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:04,000 they have to give results, 'cause if you don't give results, he'll end it. 751 01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,760 It's wrong. It's wrong to be profiled. 752 01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,080 It is wrong to be saying that you something that you're not. 753 01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,440 It's wrong for somebody to tell you you're a killer. 754 01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,120 Like... I don't know. 755 01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,560 [Gorner] The police say, "Hey, it's just another tool on our belts, 756 01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,040 "it's something innovative, it's something that we figure 757 01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,080 can revolutionize law enforcement." 758 01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:30,440 But the flip side to that 759 01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,320 is just from when I was doing the story in 2013, 760 01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:37,280 is that a lot of the names on that list are young African-Americans. 761 01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:38,960 So in the African-American community, 762 01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,200 there were some rumblings that, 763 01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:44,320 "Oh, well, this list is just another example of racial profiling." 764 01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,400 [Hill] We don't have the personal capacity 765 01:09:14,440 --> 01:09:16,200 to keep in touch with millions of people, 766 01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:17,480 thousands of people. 767 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:18,720 Social media does. 768 01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:20,160 And it's a double-edged sword 769 01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,240 of, how do we try to navigate that? 770 01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:26,160 And I think the state and the police are fully aware of this. 771 01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:29,480 I think, ultimately, they're gonna be one step ahead. 772 01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,520 They're gonna know exactly how to batten down, 773 01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,560 or how to limit, for example, 774 01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,680 thousands of people attending a demonstration. 775 01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,280 "Oh, let's just cut off all their invites. 776 01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,320 "Let's just not let it be imprinted on social media. 777 01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:47,040 "Let's affect the algorithm to who is sending what messages, 778 01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:48,800 who is posting what," right? There's no... 779 01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:50,800 For us, we use it with the intention of, 780 01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,600 "We don't care." They're gonna know anyway, 781 01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:55,560 so we organize openly. 782 01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,200 But, practically, I think it's a really worrying thing, 783 01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,880 because we have no way to monitor what they're doing, 784 01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,840 and we have no idea of the scope in which 785 01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:07,040 the powers they have, and the technology they have 786 01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,280 in terms of mass surveillance and databases. 787 01:10:25,480 --> 01:10:30,160 [man] What we started with was a man found in an alleyway shot, no witnesses. 788 01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:33,640 So that's all the information we had to start with. 789 01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,520 What we were able to do is find the crime, 790 01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,520 go back in time, see what happened. 791 01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:44,240 These three cars right here, are all involved in this murder. 792 01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,360 We do what's known as "wide area surveillance." 793 01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,960 So we watch major cities at a time. 794 01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:05,800 We take a very high-resolution image of a whole city 795 01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:10,080 every second, process it to make it look like Google Earth, 796 01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:13,120 and it allows us to go back in time and see 797 01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,480 what happened within a city up to about real time. 798 01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:22,880 Well, because we capture a major part of the city 799 01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,200 at enough resolution, we can look at a location 800 01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,440 where a crime occurred, 801 01:11:27,480 --> 01:11:29,720 that we didn't know it was going to occur, 802 01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:33,080 see what happened and follow the vehicles and the people 803 01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:34,520 to and from the crime scene. 804 01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,240 It is a very powerful tool. 805 01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,160 This may sound like science-fiction, 806 01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:42,760 but it's pretty straightforward. 807 01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:48,160 So, what we're gonna do is, I'll just show you here, 808 01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:52,760 this is a city, we're flying at about 13... 12,000 feet. 809 01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:56,400 And we're able to zoom in anywhere within that area. 810 01:11:56,440 --> 01:12:00,680 And what we'll do is we'll see when a female police officer leaves her house. 811 01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,920 She is right here. 812 01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:08,440 This car here is a lookout car watching her. 813 01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:12,280 And then there's three other vehicles right up here. 814 01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:16,480 So, here she actually leaves her house right here. 815 01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,760 And immediately following, the blue car takes off 816 01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:21,760 and tries to catch up to her. 817 01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:25,840 She slows down and then rounds the corner, and then guns it. 818 01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:29,960 She gets around this corner before the blue car gets around that corner. 819 01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:34,880 And then she gets around this corner, and the blue car actually gets lost. 820 01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:39,240 Unfortunately, these other three vehicles up here saw her, 821 01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,760 and they're actually able to catch up to her. 822 01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,600 So, here she is, she's slowed down by another vehicle. 823 01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,480 And she gets caught behind this. 824 01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:51,760 You get a vehicle that just backs out in front of her here. 825 01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:55,040 We couldn't tell if he was directly involved or not. 826 01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:59,960 But, unfortunately, that gave these other guys time to catch up to her. 827 01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,440 And they catch up to her right here. 828 01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:06,760 And she is shot six times in the head and shoulders. 829 01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,160 And she's actually gonna run right into that parked car there. 830 01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:14,560 And that is where she is found by the police in a few minutes. 831 01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:20,480 And then what we do is we follow those vehicles as they flee the scene. 832 01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:25,200 And here you can see they're passing people on the right and on the left. 833 01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:30,720 Now we're actually able to follow two of those vehicles to final end points. 834 01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,320 So within a few minutes after the murder, 835 01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:36,000 we actually have two locations identified. 836 01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:37,800 Then what we do, is we come in 837 01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,200 and we'll actually go into Google Earth 838 01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,680 to actually identify the houses, 839 01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:44,440 and feed that information into law enforcement. 840 01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,680 And we'll actually get the front door picture 841 01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:51,880 of the house that he went into. 842 01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,840 We'll take that image and send it forward to the police officers, 843 01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:56,760 so they know which door to knock on. 844 01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,360 [man] At some point I have stopped thinking about 845 01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,920 who might know and who might store what about me, 846 01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,400 why, and since when. 847 01:14:14,440 --> 01:14:18,080 Probably because it doesn't make a difference anyway. 848 01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:21,640 It's like with Hollywood, computer games, and television. 849 01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:25,600 Everything is inextricably interwoven with reality. 850 01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:29,720 Reality being just the medium of the basic code. 851 01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:35,000 Zero, one, like, don't like, buy, don't buy, 852 01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,840 guilty, not guilty. 853 01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:42,440 Just to remind you, code has no conscience. 854 01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:04,760 You know what was fun? 855 01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,680 Like I told you, I lost a best friend. 856 01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,400 When I say a best friend, a brother. 857 01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,480 I watched them sweep his murder under the rug 858 01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,320 like it didn't mean shit. 859 01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:25,800 But it got put through a $2 million... 860 01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,240 test that said I was a killer. 861 01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,160 [cell phone rings] 862 01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:33,480 [groans] 863 01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,200 My friend was 18 when he got killed. 864 01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:42,720 He got a son right now that I still look after. 865 01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:46,160 That little boy actually think I'm his dad. 866 01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,000 And I don't know. 867 01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,560 It's wrong. It's just... 868 01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,080 it's too much. 869 01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,840 [man] If policing is going to use software to predict 870 01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:39,840 what these people do in the future, 871 01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:43,400 it's assuming that certain people with a certain history 872 01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:45,080 are going to do certain things. 873 01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,520 And that's just not necessarily the case, 874 01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,120 because humans can change according to what support 875 01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:53,920 and what personal decisions they make according to that support. 876 01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:58,160 But, again, it's a metaphor for that, but it's also... it's what policing is. 877 01:17:58,200 --> 01:17:59,600 Policing is not preventative. 878 01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:03,080 It's not just in any kind of way. 879 01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:07,600 And so it's just there as a punishing mechanism. 880 01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:10,840 As a criminalizing mechanism, and as a punishing mechanism. 881 01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,440 [Smurf] You know what's funny, yeah? 882 01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:18,160 There's a funny thing, man... 883 01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:22,760 A little story that's quite disgusting, actually. 884 01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,080 Because you see how they're restricting so many things 885 01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:28,640 that we're able to do and not able to do. 886 01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:32,120 Music is one of them. Music is one of them. 887 01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:35,760 'Cause I've got a cousin who knows people 888 01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:41,080 who did a crime where someone got murdered, 889 01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,960 and he made a music video. 890 01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,360 And in his lyrics, 891 01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:48,600 he was mentioning stuff about the crime. 892 01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,800 Even though he didn't commit the crime, 893 01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:54,840 he mentioned something about it. And do you know what? 894 01:18:54,880 --> 01:19:00,440 He got sent to prison for six years just for the lyrics in the video. 895 01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:02,960 And he got banned from rapping. Do you know what I'm saying? 896 01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,960 Because, obviously, music is our way of expressing ourselves. 897 01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:10,920 That's the only way that we know how to express ourselves and communicate, really. 898 01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:14,360 Do you know what I'm saying? Just to express yourself. 899 01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:18,200 And that's... that's... I think that's disgusting. 900 01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:20,160 They're leaving us with no other option. 901 01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:35,880 I've been told they started off a couple months ago with 400, but now skip to 1,500. 902 01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,200 That's a big number. 903 01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:40,480 You just made 1,100 more criminals right there. 904 01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:42,440 So, now, who is that good for? 905 01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:44,880 Is it good for the streets or is it good for the police? 906 01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,800 You got more criminals to lock up. You got more cases to solve. 907 01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,480 You got-- see what I'm saying? You got more product. 908 01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:52,480 [sirens] [radio chatter] 909 01:19:56,440 --> 01:20:01,160 You want to build a system, build a system that helps me get up out of this. 910 01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,000 Help me go to school, help me go off and start a business. 911 01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:06,320 That's what I say, like, even with this pre-crime stuff, 912 01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,120 I try to just stay focused, work, stay out of harm's way, 913 01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:12,240 stay away from anything that's negative. 914 01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:16,720 And just try to prosper, try to be better than I was yesterday. 915 01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:18,840 I could have let it turn me into thug. 916 01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,240 I could have said things, just went off 917 01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:22,840 and let people's images change me. 918 01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:26,240 But to me, personally, that's not me. 919 01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:28,000 I'm not gonna let you change me because you got 920 01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:30,920 a theory about me, or that's just your personal view. 921 01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,640 At the end of the day, I can always prove you wrong. 922 01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,960 [Caluris] We're on our third version right now. 923 01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,760 The system, we've been in place now for about three years, 924 01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,880 so we've done regression studies to look at 925 01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:52,560 the different variables we put in 926 01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:55,720 and be able to test it out over past data sets 927 01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:59,000 to make sure that those factors that we're weighing are effective. 928 01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,200 However, I don't think we're ever gonna reach 929 01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:04,360 a final conclusion with the program or the initiative, 930 01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:08,000 'cause we're continually looking to re-evaluate it 931 01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:10,120 and be able to add in additional data 932 01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:12,360 and additional variables that could play 933 01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:14,760 an additional significant role towards positive outcomes. 934 01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,000 [distant police sirens] 935 01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,760 [Gorner] That's just an example of the efforts that our city 936 01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,840 is trying to make to fight the violence, 937 01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,040 just trying to come up with creative ideas 938 01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:33,680 in fighting it, and are there potential civil rights violations there? 939 01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:35,240 Well, there's always that concern. 940 01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:38,880 Um, especially, like I said with this history, 941 01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:44,360 with the deeply rooted distrust between the police and minority communities. 942 01:21:55,480 --> 01:21:59,320 See, my story might not mean shit to nobody, because it wasn't you. 943 01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,800 But what about when they got your son, 944 01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:05,200 when they got your daughter, your child... when it's you? 945 01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:08,400 Now it's a problem. 946 01:22:08,440 --> 01:22:11,800 Now everybody want to make it seem like okay, let's kill. 947 01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:15,160 It don't affect nobody until it come knocking on your door. 948 01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:42,520 [Ferguson] So right now I think people are willingly giving up this information. 949 01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:44,760 Not just what you're giving up on the internet, 950 01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,760 but as we move into a world of the internet of things. 951 01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,120 Your smart house will reveal when you've left for the day, 952 01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:53,440 when you take your shower, what temperature your bath is. 953 01:22:53,480 --> 01:22:55,400 And your television can listen to you, 954 01:22:55,440 --> 01:22:57,680 your car will be able to monitor where you're going 955 01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:00,320 if you have like an OnStar system that tells you where to go. 956 01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:02,560 Your cell phone knows all those things and what you're doing 957 01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:04,400 and the conversations going on. 958 01:23:04,440 --> 01:23:07,560 Like, we're just giving up this data to private companies 959 01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,040 in a way where we're not really thinking about the consequences. 960 01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:13,480 We're not thinking about what these data trails mean. 961 01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:17,360 And for law enforcement, you could see just how valuable that information would be. 962 01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:20,040 Why do you have to drink cold coffee in a hot car 963 01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,520 surveilling some guy, when you could just use the internet of things 964 01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,360 to track them all the way through, right? 965 01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:28,240 This is the new world. And right now, the policy makers 966 01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:31,000 and even the lawyers, haven't really thought through the consequences. 967 01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,240 They haven't figured out how does the Fourth Amendment adapt? 968 01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:34,920 How do privacy laws adapt? 969 01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:38,960 How do laws that we have about telephone technology 970 01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:42,120 apply in a world where suddenly your watch 971 01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,240 is talking to the world and giving them your heartbeat, 972 01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:45,760 and the rest of it, right? 973 01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:47,600 We just haven't figured that out yet. 974 01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:50,440 And it's important, I think, to ask these questions now. 975 01:23:50,480 --> 01:23:53,240 I think we're at the very beginning of a very big conversation 976 01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:55,600 about what we should do with this new data. 977 01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:02,400 [man] Robert still has a score of 215. 978 01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:06,400 Smurf has left Tottenham. 979 01:25:06,440 --> 01:25:10,320 The internet is ever-learning and evolving. 980 01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:14,680 Observes, surveys, collects, saves. 981 01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,040 "Above the city," as a friend wrote to me, 982 01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,600 "the sky is the color of a television 983 01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:23,520 tuned to a dead channel." 984 01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:29,240 Time to say farewell and go back home. 985 01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:33,400 Back to my smartphone, my IP address, my emails, 986 01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:37,640 my bookmarks, my Twitter account, my Facebook timeline. 987 01:25:39,480 --> 01:25:41,560 Welcome to the Matrix. 988 01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:46,240 [rock music] 86000

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