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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,419 --> 00:00:03,588 By the pricking of my thumbs, 2 00:00:03,630 --> 00:00:06,341 something wicked this way comes. 3 00:00:10,512 --> 00:00:11,614 Who's afrad of a wicked witch? 4 00:00:12,889 --> 00:00:14,807 Everybody. 5 00:00:14,849 --> 00:00:16,601 "The Witch" is a perfect example 6 00:00:16,643 --> 00:00:18,478 of an atmospheric horror movie. 7 00:00:20,188 --> 00:00:21,665 It was one of the scariest films I've ever seen. 8 00:00:23,149 --> 00:00:24,901 Sometimes an evil witch 9 00:00:24,943 --> 00:00:26,337 is just gonna come back and haunt you. 10 00:00:27,904 --> 00:00:29,572 What are you gonna do? 11 00:00:29,614 --> 00:00:32,325 Hello? 12 00:00:32,367 --> 00:00:33,802 Who would've thought "The Blair Witch Project" 13 00:00:33,826 --> 00:00:35,537 would work the way that it was. 14 00:00:35,578 --> 00:00:37,872 It's disturbing. 15 00:00:37,914 --> 00:00:41,125 I mean, this was kamikaze filmmaking at its greatest. 16 00:00:41,167 --> 00:00:42,585 It changed filmmaking. 17 00:00:44,587 --> 00:00:48,174 And it's always been that the witch has negative intentions. 18 00:00:48,216 --> 00:00:51,761 She's punished at some point for having the power. 19 00:00:51,803 --> 00:00:53,304 You're a witch. 20 00:00:53,346 --> 00:00:54,681 A solitary witch is one thing, 21 00:00:54,722 --> 00:00:57,183 but a group a women working together 22 00:00:57,225 --> 00:00:59,394 creating power that's more than the sum of its parts, 23 00:00:59,435 --> 00:01:01,854 is just... 24 00:01:01,896 --> 00:01:03,690 exhilarating. 25 00:01:05,692 --> 00:01:08,861 We were one of the first new waves of bringing witchcraft 26 00:01:08,903 --> 00:01:11,239 and paganism to the future. 27 00:01:11,281 --> 00:01:12,824 Aah! 28 00:01:12,865 --> 00:01:14,784 "Suspiria" just feels weid at all times. 29 00:01:16,286 --> 00:01:18,538 It's just so awesome. 30 00:01:18,580 --> 00:01:20,849 We don't have consider the rules and world of men at all. 31 00:01:20,873 --> 00:01:22,959 Aah! 32 00:01:23,001 --> 00:01:25,378 They're outside of all of our concerns here. 33 00:02:00,955 --> 00:02:02,749 The witch is a towering figure 34 00:02:02,790 --> 00:02:03,916 in the history of horror. 35 00:02:05,918 --> 00:02:07,754 The archetypical evil witch 36 00:02:07,795 --> 00:02:09,464 is everything mainstream religion 37 00:02:09,505 --> 00:02:11,507 tells us a woman should ot be: 38 00:02:11,549 --> 00:02:15,219 a Satan-worshipping, baby-killing predator 39 00:02:15,261 --> 00:02:17,472 who fears neither God nor man. 40 00:02:19,223 --> 00:02:21,434 Like all good monsters, 41 00:02:21,476 --> 00:02:23,603 a bad witch does whatever she likes 42 00:02:23,645 --> 00:02:24,812 whenever she likes. 43 00:02:28,274 --> 00:02:29,901 That unapologetic, 44 00:02:29,942 --> 00:02:32,278 very female power 45 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,447 frightens men and fascinates women. 46 00:02:36,616 --> 00:02:39,869 In real life, witches were non-conformist women 47 00:02:39,911 --> 00:02:42,705 persecuted by religious fanatics. 48 00:02:42,747 --> 00:02:45,667 They suffered horrible deaths for their imagined crimes. 49 00:02:49,504 --> 00:02:51,881 Perhaps society's collective guilt 50 00:02:51,923 --> 00:02:53,883 fuels the stories we tell 51 00:02:53,925 --> 00:02:55,927 about witches who come back for revenge. 52 00:02:58,930 --> 00:03:01,015 Oh, dear God! 53 00:03:01,057 --> 00:03:03,035 Sometimes the vengeful witches you don't see 54 00:03:03,059 --> 00:03:04,811 are the most terrifying, 55 00:03:04,852 --> 00:03:06,813 and there few better examples 56 00:03:06,854 --> 00:03:08,606 than "The Blair Witch Project." 57 00:03:08,648 --> 00:03:12,402 ! Go! Oh, God! 58 00:03:14,362 --> 00:03:16,280 Who would've thought "The Blair Witch Project" 59 00:03:16,322 --> 00:03:18,282 would work the way that it was. 60 00:03:18,324 --> 00:03:20,743 The first time I saw t movie, I was in the hospital, 61 00:03:20,785 --> 00:03:22,078 and I was doped up. 62 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,038 My son brought a VHS tape of it, 63 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:25,790 and he said, "You gotta watch this." 64 00:03:25,832 --> 00:03:27,291 Halfway through it, I said, 65 00:03:27,333 --> 00:03:28,727 "Turn it off, it's too freaky. I can't." 66 00:03:28,751 --> 00:03:31,295 Oh, my God, what the is that? 67 00:03:31,337 --> 00:03:33,715 What the is that? 68 00:03:33,756 --> 00:03:35,633 I had the same experience. 69 00:03:35,675 --> 00:03:37,319 I was like, "I have to turn the lights on." 70 00:03:37,343 --> 00:03:39,053 I was so disturbed by the end of the movie. 71 00:03:39,095 --> 00:03:40,638 It's disturbing. That's right. 72 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:41,865 I was, like, I get chills thinking about 73 00:03:41,889 --> 00:03:43,141 how scared I was. - Yeah. 74 00:03:43,182 --> 00:03:44,851 Come on! 75 00:03:44,892 --> 00:03:46,686 I hear him downstairs! 76 00:03:48,438 --> 00:03:52,984 In "The Blair Witch Project," the witch, 77 00:03:53,025 --> 00:03:56,529 it feels like it's everywhere. 78 00:03:56,571 --> 00:03:58,698 Hello? 79 00:03:58,740 --> 00:04:00,783 It's almost like the woods itself is the witch. 80 00:04:00,825 --> 00:04:04,036 There's not just this one mysterious figure 81 00:04:04,078 --> 00:04:05,455 that shows up. 82 00:04:05,496 --> 00:04:08,458 The entire experience is mysterious. 83 00:04:11,586 --> 00:04:12,896 All right, come on. Into the house. 84 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,797 Come on. Come on. 85 00:04:14,839 --> 00:04:16,758 "The Blair Witch Project" 86 00:04:16,799 --> 00:04:18,718 wasn't the first found footage movie ever made, 87 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,554 but it was the first t become a massive hit. 88 00:04:21,596 --> 00:04:24,056 We have these three film students 89 00:04:24,098 --> 00:04:27,018 going off into the woods to make a documentary 90 00:04:27,059 --> 00:04:29,979 about what they believe is an urban legend 91 00:04:30,021 --> 00:04:31,314 of the Blair Witch. 92 00:04:31,355 --> 00:04:32,857 Have you heard of the Blair Witch? 93 00:04:32,899 --> 00:04:35,067 Oh, yeah. That's an old, old, old story. 94 00:04:35,109 --> 00:04:36,861 So from the very beginning, 95 00:04:36,903 --> 00:04:40,448 the interviews with the townspeople are all credible. 96 00:04:40,490 --> 00:04:42,825 These don't look like actors. 97 00:04:42,867 --> 00:04:44,762 These look like just people you would meet on the street. 98 00:04:44,786 --> 00:04:47,747 And that crew is every bit as annoying... 99 00:04:49,499 --> 00:04:51,393 As you might imagine a crew in real life might be. 100 00:04:51,417 --> 00:04:52,919 Oh, he licked it. God bless him. 101 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,462 Yeah, there we go. 102 00:04:54,504 --> 00:04:57,507 They didn't cast, like, CW-type hunky leads. 103 00:04:57,548 --> 00:04:59,717 They were, you know, the schlubs next door 104 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:02,887 or the people in the dorm room next to you. 105 00:05:02,929 --> 00:05:04,514 - Packs are on. - We're rocking. 106 00:05:04,555 --> 00:05:06,098 - We're ready to go. - Let's rock. 107 00:05:06,140 --> 00:05:08,601 All I knew when I was gunning for the job 108 00:05:08,643 --> 00:05:10,812 and... and... and when I first got hired was, 109 00:05:10,853 --> 00:05:14,398 it was a movie about three student filmmakers 110 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,484 who went out in the woods 111 00:05:16,526 --> 00:05:18,402 to investigate the leged of the Blair Witch, 112 00:05:18,444 --> 00:05:20,404 and they went missing. 113 00:05:20,446 --> 00:05:21,965 Actors Heather Donahue, Josh Leonard, 114 00:05:21,989 --> 00:05:24,283 and Mike Williams 115 00:05:24,325 --> 00:05:26,512 were given film equipment ad a loose set of instructions, 116 00:05:26,536 --> 00:05:29,664 then sent off into the woods. 117 00:05:29,705 --> 00:05:33,167 So they wanted to keep it as naturalistic as possible. 118 00:05:33,209 --> 00:05:36,128 It is the three of us filming each other 119 00:05:36,170 --> 00:05:38,548 and recording sound of each other 120 00:05:38,589 --> 00:05:42,760 and we would have no direct interaction 121 00:05:42,802 --> 00:05:45,429 with the directors of the film while we were making it. 122 00:05:46,931 --> 00:05:51,435 They gave us a GPS, and they had programmed in waypoints 123 00:05:51,477 --> 00:05:53,729 which were hatch marks on the map, 124 00:05:53,771 --> 00:05:56,899 and we were to find our way to these different waypoints. 125 00:05:56,941 --> 00:05:59,485 So we knew we were gonna encounter things; 126 00:05:59,527 --> 00:06:01,779 we just didn't know what those things were gonna be. 127 00:06:01,821 --> 00:06:03,531 What? 128 00:06:03,573 --> 00:06:05,741 Some of your stuff is hanging all over the ground! 129 00:06:05,783 --> 00:06:07,869 No way. 130 00:06:07,910 --> 00:06:10,705 - They're all over the place. - Holy. 131 00:06:10,746 --> 00:06:13,708 The special effects, if you wanna call it that, 132 00:06:13,749 --> 00:06:16,711 rocks and twigs, you know? 133 00:06:16,752 --> 00:06:19,505 Things hanging in the woods are so simple 134 00:06:19,547 --> 00:06:21,841 that they feel true. 135 00:06:21,883 --> 00:06:23,718 They don't feel like something that, you know, 136 00:06:23,759 --> 00:06:26,596 a set designer's gonna come up with. 137 00:06:26,637 --> 00:06:28,556 Hello? 138 00:06:28,598 --> 00:06:31,475 They find clues that the Blair Witch might be real. 139 00:06:31,517 --> 00:06:33,185 You don't think this is strange? 140 00:06:33,227 --> 00:06:35,229 They start to be kind of stalked. 141 00:06:35,271 --> 00:06:37,189 They find themselves lost in the woods, 142 00:06:37,231 --> 00:06:39,108 and it seems to be due to a supernatural force. 143 00:06:40,610 --> 00:06:41,837 They start to act irrationally. 144 00:06:41,861 --> 00:06:43,738 Help! 145 00:06:43,779 --> 00:06:45,239 They end up going in circles. 146 00:06:45,281 --> 00:06:46,574 Turn that thing off!. 147 00:06:46,616 --> 00:06:48,534 Then they start getting picked off 148 00:06:48,576 --> 00:06:50,244 kind of one by one. 149 00:06:50,286 --> 00:06:52,705 Come on! 150 00:06:52,747 --> 00:06:54,624 Josh! 151 00:06:54,665 --> 00:06:56,667 In the end of course, they're all dead. 152 00:06:58,377 --> 00:07:01,881 And that's how the footage supposedly came to us. 153 00:07:05,968 --> 00:07:09,680 It's that beautiful moment when she's on the ground, 154 00:07:09,722 --> 00:07:12,058 and she's weeping and shuddering... 155 00:07:12,099 --> 00:07:14,644 that actress was terrified 156 00:07:14,685 --> 00:07:17,063 and put all of that work into the camera, 157 00:07:17,104 --> 00:07:18,105 and it came right at us, 158 00:07:18,147 --> 00:07:20,483 and we wanted to help her. 159 00:07:21,692 --> 00:07:25,571 I'm scared to close my eyes. 160 00:07:25,613 --> 00:07:27,531 I'm scared to open them. 161 00:07:27,573 --> 00:07:30,242 I think without Heather's monologue 162 00:07:30,284 --> 00:07:32,620 and that weird framing of that shot, 163 00:07:32,662 --> 00:07:35,164 I don't think the film works. 164 00:07:35,206 --> 00:07:38,834 I am so, so sorry. 165 00:07:41,045 --> 00:07:43,214 I think that very iconic moment made the film, 166 00:07:43,255 --> 00:07:44,966 and added so many stakes 167 00:07:45,007 --> 00:07:46,926 and so much relatability to the film, 168 00:07:46,968 --> 00:07:49,929 and Mike and I had no idea 169 00:07:49,971 --> 00:07:51,597 that she filmed that 170 00:07:51,639 --> 00:07:53,033 until we saw it for the first time in a theater. 171 00:07:53,057 --> 00:07:55,267 I'm gonna die out here. 172 00:07:58,145 --> 00:08:00,606 Made for $60,000, 173 00:08:00,648 --> 00:08:03,859 "The Blair Witch Project" grossed $250 million 174 00:08:03,901 --> 00:08:04,986 at the box office. 175 00:08:06,737 --> 00:08:08,698 It was the first movie that used the internet 176 00:08:08,739 --> 00:08:10,950 to sell tickets basically, 177 00:08:10,992 --> 00:08:13,035 to use the internet to create a marketing campaign, 178 00:08:13,077 --> 00:08:14,912 and it was brilliant. 179 00:08:14,954 --> 00:08:17,081 It had never been attempted before. 180 00:08:17,123 --> 00:08:19,041 The film was marketed as a true story, 181 00:08:19,083 --> 00:08:21,961 a deception supported by a convincing website. 182 00:08:24,296 --> 00:08:25,965 I thought that film was real. 183 00:08:27,174 --> 00:08:29,301 I walked out of there going, 184 00:08:29,343 --> 00:08:31,154 "We have to find... we have to find these people. 185 00:08:31,178 --> 00:08:32,805 Where are they?" 186 00:08:32,847 --> 00:08:35,141 I hear him. I hear him. 187 00:08:35,182 --> 00:08:37,059 I hear you. Josh! 188 00:08:37,101 --> 00:08:38,602 It feels like you're there. 189 00:08:38,644 --> 00:08:40,205 It feels like something that would happen. 190 00:08:41,522 --> 00:08:44,150 "Blair Witch" nailed it. 191 00:08:49,905 --> 00:08:52,366 "Blair Witch" is part of a long tradition 192 00:08:52,408 --> 00:08:55,953 of treating witchcraft as a force of evil, 193 00:08:55,995 --> 00:08:57,663 but some movies show us 194 00:08:57,705 --> 00:08:59,707 witchcraft can be a force for good 195 00:08:59,749 --> 00:09:01,292 if it's in the right hands. 196 00:09:11,135 --> 00:09:13,721 In the movies, witches wear many faces. 197 00:09:15,097 --> 00:09:17,349 Ugly and beautiful. 198 00:09:17,391 --> 00:09:20,311 Repellent and irresistible. 199 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,317 But for most people, the all-time iconic witch 200 00:09:26,358 --> 00:09:28,319 arrived in 1939, 201 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,072 in the form of actress Margaret Hamilton. 202 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,868 If we were doing a Rorschach test and you said witch, 203 00:09:35,910 --> 00:09:38,204 the first thing I would say back to you 204 00:09:38,245 --> 00:09:40,223 is the Wicked Witch of the West in "The Wizard of Oz," 205 00:09:40,247 --> 00:09:43,959 a film that millions upon millions of people have seen. 206 00:09:46,128 --> 00:09:49,173 I think she is the personification of a witch. 207 00:09:49,215 --> 00:09:51,675 I'll get you, my pretty, 208 00:09:51,717 --> 00:09:53,803 and your little dog too! 209 00:09:53,844 --> 00:09:56,347 The merciless Wicked Witch of the West 210 00:09:56,388 --> 00:09:58,390 is one of the most recognizable creations 211 00:09:58,432 --> 00:10:01,310 in cinema. 212 00:10:01,352 --> 00:10:04,814 Green face, hook nose, pointed chin... 213 00:10:04,855 --> 00:10:08,150 she represents one of the oldest villains of folklore: 214 00:10:08,192 --> 00:10:09,401 the evil crone. 215 00:10:09,443 --> 00:10:12,029 Oh! 216 00:10:12,071 --> 00:10:14,698 And like many horror archetypes, 217 00:10:14,740 --> 00:10:17,076 she's the product of cultural anxiety. 218 00:10:21,038 --> 00:10:23,958 Aging, especially for women, is terrifying. 219 00:10:23,999 --> 00:10:27,253 If our bodies are our primary form of currency, 220 00:10:27,294 --> 00:10:30,297 then as we age, we lose value. 221 00:10:30,339 --> 00:10:33,968 One way that women are kind of contained in society 222 00:10:34,009 --> 00:10:36,428 is by being expected to focus on being appealing 223 00:10:36,470 --> 00:10:39,014 and so the crone is terrifying 224 00:10:39,056 --> 00:10:40,975 because she has no interest in that. 225 00:10:42,852 --> 00:10:45,271 Aah! 226 00:10:49,984 --> 00:10:52,153 But in the modern times, 227 00:10:52,194 --> 00:10:55,072 witches have become dynamc figures of female power. 228 00:10:57,783 --> 00:11:00,452 Like the glamorous Witches of Eastwick. 229 00:11:06,458 --> 00:11:09,420 Repressed women liberated wn they embrace their passions. 230 00:11:12,173 --> 00:11:14,967 At first they fill the traditional witch's role 231 00:11:15,009 --> 00:11:18,012 of being Satan's concubines... 232 00:11:21,807 --> 00:11:24,185 But when they pool their power, 233 00:11:24,226 --> 00:11:26,520 they put the chauvinist devil in his place. 234 00:11:33,194 --> 00:11:36,155 I put a spell on you. 235 00:11:37,531 --> 00:11:39,909 And now you're mine. 236 00:11:39,950 --> 00:11:42,077 The three witchy sisters 237 00:11:42,119 --> 00:11:46,332 of Disney's "Hocus Pocus" had a classically evil goal: 238 00:11:46,373 --> 00:11:49,251 to drain out the souls of children. 239 00:11:51,503 --> 00:11:55,341 They were scary and powerful, but somehow lovable. 240 00:11:55,382 --> 00:11:58,010 I suggest we form a calming circle. 241 00:11:58,052 --> 00:11:59,595 I am calm! 242 00:11:59,637 --> 00:12:03,015 Oh, sister, thou art not being honest with thyself, 243 00:12:03,057 --> 00:12:04,433 are we? 244 00:12:06,227 --> 00:12:09,188 It is a fine line figuring out how evil 245 00:12:09,230 --> 00:12:11,148 to make the witches, 246 00:12:11,190 --> 00:12:12,816 how playful to make the surroundings, 247 00:12:12,858 --> 00:12:14,235 and they have to be a threat. 248 00:12:15,945 --> 00:12:19,156 But they can't be unpleasant. 249 00:12:25,037 --> 00:12:26,830 But the real turning point 250 00:12:26,872 --> 00:12:28,749 in the representation of witches 251 00:12:28,791 --> 00:12:30,542 came with a horror movie aimed at teenagers. 252 00:12:35,422 --> 00:12:37,800 The young women in "The Craft" 253 00:12:37,841 --> 00:12:40,261 embraced the Earth-worshipping magic of modern day pagans... 254 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,138 With a healthy dose 255 00:12:43,180 --> 00:12:44,138 of supernatural special effects. 256 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,144 Hi, I got clean towels for everyone. 257 00:12:49,186 --> 00:12:50,479 Aah! 258 00:12:50,521 --> 00:12:52,564 Oh, my butt. 259 00:12:52,606 --> 00:12:54,942 - What's going on in here? - Nothing, why? 260 00:12:54,984 --> 00:12:56,461 - Are you girls getting high? - No, Mom. 261 00:12:58,070 --> 00:13:00,406 "The Craft" gave us outcasts 262 00:13:00,447 --> 00:13:03,033 who kind of came into their power, 263 00:13:03,075 --> 00:13:06,620 despite or maybe even because of that outsider status, 264 00:13:06,662 --> 00:13:08,914 and it gave us this model 265 00:13:08,956 --> 00:13:12,001 of girls who could be kind of badass 266 00:13:12,042 --> 00:13:14,253 and kind of goth and just different. 267 00:13:17,172 --> 00:13:19,883 "The Craft" is about four girls, 268 00:13:19,925 --> 00:13:22,886 three who have been together for a while, 269 00:13:22,928 --> 00:13:25,264 and a new girl arrives at school, Sarah Bailey... 270 00:13:25,306 --> 00:13:27,182 Do you guys mind if I sit with you? 271 00:13:27,224 --> 00:13:29,101 'Cause I'm supposed to find the lab group. 272 00:13:29,143 --> 00:13:32,021 She meets this group of outcasts 273 00:13:32,062 --> 00:13:35,316 and finds a place where she can maybe fit in, 274 00:13:35,357 --> 00:13:38,944 and it turns out that this group is witches. 275 00:13:38,986 --> 00:13:43,240 Aid us in our magical working on this May's eve. 276 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,911 We see that they each have a kind of issue. 277 00:13:48,996 --> 00:13:50,539 Don't hit your head on the board. 278 00:13:50,581 --> 00:13:52,708 Racism... 279 00:13:52,750 --> 00:13:54,670 The scarring of Neve Campbell's character's body. 280 00:13:56,795 --> 00:14:00,215 Intimate partner violence, some domestic violence. 281 00:14:00,257 --> 00:14:02,092 Stop! 282 00:14:02,134 --> 00:14:04,553 We see that by working together, 283 00:14:04,595 --> 00:14:06,305 they can kind of create this power where 284 00:14:06,347 --> 00:14:09,391 they're more than the sum of their parts. 285 00:14:09,433 --> 00:14:11,643 Like modern Wiccans and Pagans, 286 00:14:11,685 --> 00:14:14,480 these girls don't worship Satan. 287 00:14:14,521 --> 00:14:16,690 They draw their power from nature. 288 00:14:16,732 --> 00:14:20,819 Fire, water, air. 289 00:14:22,571 --> 00:14:25,240 I think witch's power is so important 290 00:14:25,282 --> 00:14:28,327 is because it's rooted in strength. 291 00:14:28,369 --> 00:14:29,870 Witchcraft and Paganism, 292 00:14:29,912 --> 00:14:31,663 it's rooted in a connection to the Earth. 293 00:14:31,705 --> 00:14:33,040 As above... 294 00:14:33,082 --> 00:14:34,625 It is respect for the Earth. 295 00:14:34,666 --> 00:14:36,418 So below. 296 00:14:36,460 --> 00:14:41,131 But the idea was to take the religion, Wicca, seriously. 297 00:14:41,173 --> 00:14:43,008 If you get all of the little details right 298 00:14:43,050 --> 00:14:44,510 about this religion, 299 00:14:44,551 --> 00:14:46,095 you can take a few liberties 300 00:14:46,136 --> 00:14:49,098 and make something supernatural happen, 301 00:14:49,139 --> 00:14:51,100 and it's more believable. 302 00:14:51,141 --> 00:14:53,727 Ours is the magic, ours is the power. 303 00:14:56,563 --> 00:15:00,025 They start practicing witchcraft more intensely 304 00:15:00,067 --> 00:15:03,612 and getting magical results, 305 00:15:03,654 --> 00:15:06,115 and they're intoxicated by the results, 306 00:15:06,156 --> 00:15:07,991 and then they want more. 307 00:15:08,033 --> 00:15:10,327 It's analogy for female sexuality. 308 00:15:10,369 --> 00:15:13,539 If you notice, as their powers get stronger, 309 00:15:13,580 --> 00:15:16,125 our skirts get shorter. 310 00:15:16,166 --> 00:15:18,043 Society's always been scared of women 311 00:15:18,085 --> 00:15:20,212 and their sexuality. 312 00:15:20,254 --> 00:15:21,356 And teenagers, that's their burgeoning sexuality 313 00:15:21,380 --> 00:15:22,881 when it hits, 314 00:15:22,923 --> 00:15:24,734 so the witchcraft kind of an analogy for that fear 315 00:15:24,758 --> 00:15:26,009 that we have 316 00:15:26,051 --> 00:15:28,262 of women coming into their power. 317 00:15:30,722 --> 00:15:33,392 At first, the girls' new power is liberating... 318 00:15:35,686 --> 00:15:37,497 But they soon begn to abuse their gifts... 319 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:40,750 First with small acts of revenge... 320 00:15:40,774 --> 00:15:43,318 Just keeps falling out. 321 00:15:45,279 --> 00:15:47,197 And then with murder. 322 00:15:51,618 --> 00:15:55,164 Nancy's character is the addict. 323 00:15:55,205 --> 00:15:59,084 She's the one who can't restrain her use of the power. 324 00:15:59,126 --> 00:16:01,753 When she gets a good feeling she needs more of it. 325 00:16:03,589 --> 00:16:05,215 "The Craft" uses witchcraft 326 00:16:05,257 --> 00:16:06,633 as a metaphor for drug use. 327 00:16:09,178 --> 00:16:11,138 But it also uses 328 00:16:11,180 --> 00:16:13,140 the tight knit circle of a witch's coven 329 00:16:13,182 --> 00:16:15,434 to explore the world of teenage girls... 330 00:16:17,102 --> 00:16:19,062 A time when your best friends 331 00:16:19,104 --> 00:16:21,440 can become your worst enemies overnight. 332 00:16:22,649 --> 00:16:23,775 There you are. 333 00:16:23,817 --> 00:16:26,111 We've looking everywhere for you. 334 00:16:26,153 --> 00:16:28,489 As teenage girls, they're hitting the age 335 00:16:28,530 --> 00:16:30,300 where you start to get pitted against each other. 336 00:16:30,324 --> 00:16:32,284 Instead of having sisterhood, 337 00:16:32,326 --> 00:16:35,120 we started to go, "There can only be one!" 338 00:16:35,162 --> 00:16:37,247 And that's insane. 339 00:16:41,502 --> 00:16:43,670 When you're a teenager, your brain just isn't right. 340 00:16:43,712 --> 00:16:45,714 You're chemically not balanced, 341 00:16:45,756 --> 00:16:48,217 and then you add in the social constructs 342 00:16:48,258 --> 00:16:50,594 and the way that they're trying to navigate that 343 00:16:50,636 --> 00:16:53,096 and interact with one another. 344 00:16:53,138 --> 00:16:55,724 There is something, like, an element of violence to it, 345 00:16:55,766 --> 00:16:58,769 even if it's never physical, it's, like, emotional violence 346 00:16:58,810 --> 00:17:00,646 that you deal with as a teenage girl. 347 00:17:02,731 --> 00:17:05,484 I think the horror genre is actually a great genre 348 00:17:05,526 --> 00:17:07,653 to explore those concepts 349 00:17:07,694 --> 00:17:10,197 because you can make physical 350 00:17:10,239 --> 00:17:12,407 what a lot of girls are feeling internally 351 00:17:12,449 --> 00:17:13,449 all the time. 352 00:17:13,450 --> 00:17:15,410 Stop it! 353 00:17:18,830 --> 00:17:21,166 "The Craft" was a frothy blend 354 00:17:21,208 --> 00:17:22,584 of adolescent angst 355 00:17:22,626 --> 00:17:25,837 and modern witchcraft. 356 00:17:25,879 --> 00:17:29,800 "Hereditary" mixes similar ingredients 357 00:17:29,841 --> 00:17:32,511 into a much darker brew. 358 00:17:38,559 --> 00:17:41,186 In the movies, 359 00:17:41,228 --> 00:17:42,455 the wicked witches of olden times 360 00:17:42,479 --> 00:17:44,523 were easy to spot. 361 00:17:46,733 --> 00:17:49,695 But what do modern day wicked witches look like? 362 00:17:51,113 --> 00:17:53,282 Perhaps like the shadowy coven 363 00:17:53,323 --> 00:17:56,034 in Ari Aster's harrowing film, "Hereditary." 364 00:17:57,828 --> 00:17:59,788 Though they are never clearly seen 365 00:17:59,830 --> 00:18:02,374 until the film's explosive conclusion... 366 00:18:06,962 --> 00:18:09,590 Mommy, please, I'm begging you. 367 00:18:09,631 --> 00:18:11,550 I'm begging you to stop! 368 00:18:11,592 --> 00:18:13,552 Their presence is always felt. 369 00:18:16,597 --> 00:18:18,807 One of the first images that came to me 370 00:18:18,849 --> 00:18:20,892 when I was developing "Hereditary," 371 00:18:20,934 --> 00:18:23,312 was that of the dollhouse 372 00:18:23,353 --> 00:18:25,439 and this artist who was, you know, 373 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,400 making these very true to life replicas 374 00:18:28,442 --> 00:18:30,944 of, like, the spaces in her life. 375 00:18:30,986 --> 00:18:34,364 That just felt like an appropriate metaphor 376 00:18:34,406 --> 00:18:38,243 for this film about a family that ultimately has no agency. 377 00:18:38,285 --> 00:18:40,412 Ultimately, they are like dolls in a dollhouse. 378 00:18:40,454 --> 00:18:42,873 The family is grappling with the death 379 00:18:42,914 --> 00:18:45,292 of its icy matriarch. 380 00:18:45,334 --> 00:18:48,462 They don't realize grandma was the leader of a witch's coven 381 00:18:48,503 --> 00:18:50,631 that worships a demon named Paimon. 382 00:18:52,257 --> 00:18:54,760 And she won't let a small thing like dying 383 00:18:54,801 --> 00:18:57,554 get in the way of her plans for her granddaughter, 384 00:18:57,596 --> 00:18:59,598 a strange 13-year-old named Charlie. 385 00:19:04,019 --> 00:19:06,396 I really wanted to be in a horror movie, 386 00:19:06,438 --> 00:19:08,238 specifically as a character that wasn't, like, 387 00:19:08,273 --> 00:19:10,108 the one running around scared, 388 00:19:10,150 --> 00:19:13,362 so I could kind of figure out what that person is thinking 389 00:19:13,403 --> 00:19:14,964 and, like, why they're doing the things they do 390 00:19:14,988 --> 00:19:16,490 and how their brain works. 391 00:19:17,949 --> 00:19:19,576 I don't think like that, 392 00:19:19,618 --> 00:19:21,662 I wouldn't normally, like, cut bird heads off... 393 00:19:23,914 --> 00:19:26,917 Charlie's peculiar behavior 394 00:19:26,958 --> 00:19:28,794 is explained by the fact 395 00:19:28,835 --> 00:19:32,339 that she and the demon share a body 396 00:19:32,381 --> 00:19:36,927 thanks to grandma's black magic. 397 00:19:36,968 --> 00:19:39,513 At first, "Hereditary" seems to be about 398 00:19:39,554 --> 00:19:42,808 a woman who doesn't realize her child is possessed. 399 00:19:42,849 --> 00:19:45,018 - You're going. - Why? 400 00:19:45,060 --> 00:19:46,561 Because it'll be fun. 401 00:19:46,603 --> 00:19:48,522 Because you'll get to hang out with other kids. 402 00:19:48,563 --> 00:19:50,482 But then Chare and her brother Peter 403 00:19:50,524 --> 00:19:51,983 go to a party, 404 00:19:52,025 --> 00:19:53,527 she has an allergic reaction... 405 00:19:53,568 --> 00:19:55,654 I think my throat's getting bigger. 406 00:19:55,696 --> 00:19:57,781 He tries to rush her to a hospital 407 00:19:57,823 --> 00:20:00,283 and things take a tragic turn. 408 00:20:02,869 --> 00:20:04,830 Ooh! 409 00:20:06,373 --> 00:20:09,376 I was excited to get decapitated. 410 00:20:09,418 --> 00:20:12,379 I've always wanted to die in a film or a show 411 00:20:12,421 --> 00:20:14,715 in some, like, very overdramatic way 412 00:20:14,756 --> 00:20:16,675 and getting decapitated, 413 00:20:16,717 --> 00:20:18,927 it's, like, one of the best ways to go. 414 00:20:18,969 --> 00:20:21,555 It's so dramatic. It's so, like, extreme. 415 00:20:28,019 --> 00:20:29,646 The head comes off, 416 00:20:29,688 --> 00:20:31,857 but it's handled in a very kind of tasteful way, 417 00:20:31,898 --> 00:20:33,817 and part of the fun of that 418 00:20:33,859 --> 00:20:36,695 was knowing that we were gonna stay with Peter 419 00:20:36,737 --> 00:20:38,655 for a very long time, 420 00:20:38,697 --> 00:20:40,532 go home with him, go to bed with him, 421 00:20:40,574 --> 00:20:43,910 and then drop the head eight minutes later. 422 00:20:52,711 --> 00:20:55,714 That's where we reveal what the movie actually is. 423 00:20:57,382 --> 00:20:59,384 Charlie's death triggers 424 00:20:59,426 --> 00:21:02,095 the already dysfunctionl family's collapse. 425 00:21:02,137 --> 00:21:04,222 She's gone forever! 426 00:21:05,682 --> 00:21:07,851 And what a waste. 427 00:21:07,893 --> 00:21:10,687 If it could've maybe brought us together or something. 428 00:21:10,729 --> 00:21:13,023 If you could've just said, "I'm sorry," 429 00:21:13,064 --> 00:21:15,025 or faced up to what happened, 430 00:21:15,066 --> 00:21:17,694 maybe then we could do something with this, 431 00:21:17,736 --> 00:21:20,030 but you can't take responsibility for anything! 432 00:21:20,071 --> 00:21:22,908 So now I can't accept. 433 00:21:22,949 --> 00:21:25,619 There were just some horribly 434 00:21:25,660 --> 00:21:29,706 emotionally draining moments where you... 435 00:21:29,748 --> 00:21:32,918 Toni Collette is so good in that movie, and you just... 436 00:21:32,959 --> 00:21:35,462 all you wanna do is find a way 437 00:21:35,504 --> 00:21:37,088 for her to release her of her pain. 438 00:21:41,843 --> 00:21:43,720 But pain is precisely the emotion 439 00:21:43,762 --> 00:21:45,931 the witches use to manipulate their victims. 440 00:21:47,641 --> 00:21:50,811 The movie's about a family that in many ways 441 00:21:50,852 --> 00:21:52,612 is kind of following each other into madness, 442 00:21:52,646 --> 00:21:54,439 especially Toni Collette's character 443 00:21:54,481 --> 00:21:56,608 and Alex Wolff's character. 444 00:21:56,650 --> 00:21:58,461 They're really kind of pushing each other there. 445 00:21:58,485 --> 00:22:00,445 - Why did you try to kill me? - I love you. 446 00:22:00,487 --> 00:22:02,030 I didn't! I was trying to save you! 447 00:22:02,072 --> 00:22:06,076 Why did you try to kill me? 448 00:22:06,117 --> 00:22:07,744 You are sick. 449 00:22:07,786 --> 00:22:09,663 Once the coven 450 00:22:09,704 --> 00:22:11,540 has pushed the family over the edge, 451 00:22:11,581 --> 00:22:13,458 the film explodes into a supernatural orgy 452 00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:14,835 of violent death. 453 00:22:18,004 --> 00:22:19,965 By the time you get to the end 454 00:22:20,006 --> 00:22:21,800 of the movie, 455 00:22:21,842 --> 00:22:23,635 and Toni Collette's, like, 456 00:22:23,677 --> 00:22:26,847 levitating and sawing her own head off 457 00:22:26,888 --> 00:22:29,808 with that horrifying look on her face, 458 00:22:32,519 --> 00:22:34,104 I didn't know what to do. 459 00:22:34,145 --> 00:22:35,957 Like, I didn't even know where the movie was going. 460 00:22:40,026 --> 00:22:41,903 I love when movies, you know, 461 00:22:41,945 --> 00:22:45,490 kind of embrace a more operatic sensibility. 462 00:22:45,532 --> 00:22:48,493 Why not just go off the rails and just go there, you know? 463 00:22:48,535 --> 00:22:51,121 You know that you're gonna be alienating 464 00:22:51,162 --> 00:22:53,707 a large section of the audience, 465 00:22:53,748 --> 00:22:55,476 and you know that people are kinda gonna get off the ride 466 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:58,169 at that point, but for me... 467 00:22:58,211 --> 00:23:00,130 - Oh, my God. - It's okay, it's okay. 468 00:23:00,171 --> 00:23:01,506 I just didn't care. 469 00:23:01,548 --> 00:23:03,174 It's okay, it's okay. 470 00:23:03,216 --> 00:23:05,093 Like the coven in "Hereditary," 471 00:23:05,135 --> 00:23:08,221 demonic women in "The Witch" are rarely seen. 472 00:23:10,098 --> 00:23:11,391 But they know exactly 473 00:23:11,433 --> 00:23:12,642 how to drag a family to hel. 474 00:23:21,735 --> 00:23:24,654 In colonial Ameri, 475 00:23:24,696 --> 00:23:25,798 the face of a witch often look like this... 476 00:23:27,908 --> 00:23:29,993 The face of Thomasin, 477 00:23:30,035 --> 00:23:33,705 the teenage protagonist of Robert Eggers' "The Witch." 478 00:23:33,747 --> 00:23:36,666 Tell us why you went to the wood. 479 00:23:36,708 --> 00:23:38,877 - I promise. - I care not. 480 00:23:41,796 --> 00:23:45,717 "The Witch" is the scariest movie 481 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:49,220 in its residual effect on me, maybe ever. 482 00:23:51,014 --> 00:23:53,642 I felt contaminated 483 00:23:53,683 --> 00:23:56,895 by the evil of that movie. 484 00:23:59,689 --> 00:24:02,067 Set in 1620, 485 00:24:02,108 --> 00:24:03,985 "The Witch" tells the tale 486 00:24:04,027 --> 00:24:06,821 of a family banished from the Plymouth colony 487 00:24:06,863 --> 00:24:10,116 because the patriarch is too unbendingly religious 488 00:24:10,158 --> 00:24:12,953 even for his fellow Calvinists. 489 00:24:12,994 --> 00:24:16,957 The family sets up a homestead in the wilds of New England, 490 00:24:16,998 --> 00:24:20,001 and are targeted by the baby-killing witches 491 00:24:20,043 --> 00:24:21,670 that live in the woods. 492 00:24:24,673 --> 00:24:27,050 Mmm, boo! 493 00:24:27,092 --> 00:24:28,593 There you are. 494 00:24:28,635 --> 00:24:31,930 There you are. 495 00:24:31,972 --> 00:24:34,432 Mmm, boo! 496 00:24:36,851 --> 00:24:38,812 Sam? 497 00:24:42,816 --> 00:24:44,943 When the baby disappears... 498 00:24:44,985 --> 00:24:47,946 you can imagine being completely out there 499 00:24:47,988 --> 00:24:51,783 without any kind of real sort of civilization around you, 500 00:24:51,825 --> 00:24:53,493 to sort help. 501 00:24:53,535 --> 00:24:55,304 It's just a few of you and the family in the woods. 502 00:25:01,084 --> 00:25:02,728 "The Witch" was shot entirely in natural light. 503 00:25:02,752 --> 00:25:04,587 Black Phillip, Black Phillip! 504 00:25:04,629 --> 00:25:06,548 With the actors wearing costumes 505 00:25:06,589 --> 00:25:08,133 made from period appropriate fabrics. 506 00:25:08,174 --> 00:25:09,884 Everything feels real. 507 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,639 Black Phillip is the nae I give, he goes along with... 508 00:25:14,681 --> 00:25:16,975 - I cannot abide your songs. - Please you, Mercy. 509 00:25:17,017 --> 00:25:19,144 Even the film's dialogue is authentic, 510 00:25:19,185 --> 00:25:21,187 much it taken 511 00:25:21,229 --> 00:25:23,165 from actual transcripts of the Salem Witch Trials. 512 00:25:23,189 --> 00:25:25,108 Take your leave. 513 00:25:26,484 --> 00:25:27,861 Free us from the shaman's omen, 514 00:25:27,902 --> 00:25:30,780 would you do unto us, Father. Amen. 515 00:25:30,822 --> 00:25:33,283 Thomasin lives in a world of religious dread 516 00:25:33,324 --> 00:25:34,993 where Satan is real. 517 00:25:36,911 --> 00:25:38,705 Witches are his unholy consults, 518 00:25:38,747 --> 00:25:41,666 and temptation and corruption 519 00:25:41,708 --> 00:25:44,169 lurk around every corner. 520 00:25:56,222 --> 00:25:58,224 Come on. 521 00:25:58,266 --> 00:25:59,726 After her young brother 522 00:25:59,768 --> 00:26:01,811 is seduced and murdered, 523 00:26:01,853 --> 00:26:04,898 the family begins to suspect Thomasin is responsible. 524 00:26:06,775 --> 00:26:08,610 Her emergent womanhood 525 00:26:08,651 --> 00:26:10,046 is as unsettling to them as Black Phillip, 526 00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:11,863 the Satanic goat. 527 00:26:11,905 --> 00:26:13,698 Baa, baa, baa. 528 00:26:16,284 --> 00:26:18,912 Horror loves to exaggerate. 529 00:26:20,705 --> 00:26:24,042 So the idea of the girl going through puberty 530 00:26:24,084 --> 00:26:26,044 as a source of horror... 531 00:26:27,378 --> 00:26:30,173 And as a source of female power 532 00:26:30,215 --> 00:26:33,343 is something that shows up in a lot of horror films. 533 00:26:33,384 --> 00:26:35,261 It is you! 534 00:26:35,303 --> 00:26:37,347 I am your daughter. 535 00:26:37,388 --> 00:26:40,725 The devil is in thee and has had thee. 536 00:26:40,767 --> 00:26:45,396 Here's this good person who is being consumed by an evil 537 00:26:45,438 --> 00:26:47,398 that she cannot escape. 538 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,068 She only wants to be good and only wants to do what is right. 539 00:26:52,737 --> 00:26:56,407 And the idea of becoming usurped by evil... 540 00:26:56,449 --> 00:26:58,827 I am no witch. 541 00:26:58,868 --> 00:27:02,038 Is one of the scariest ideas that you can think of 542 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,040 from a theological or religious point of view. 543 00:27:04,082 --> 00:27:07,085 Please, Father. No, it's not safe! 544 00:27:07,127 --> 00:27:10,004 But at the same time the movie is very critical 545 00:27:10,046 --> 00:27:13,133 in saying, "This is what religion 546 00:27:13,174 --> 00:27:14,843 "and religious hysteria 547 00:27:14,884 --> 00:27:18,763 "and religious repression also inevitably does 548 00:27:18,805 --> 00:27:21,266 to young agile minds." 549 00:27:21,307 --> 00:27:24,060 Aah! 550 00:27:24,102 --> 00:27:25,812 Betrayed by her family, 551 00:27:25,854 --> 00:27:27,939 Thomasin loses everything 552 00:27:27,981 --> 00:27:30,441 and must make a terrible choice. 553 00:27:32,318 --> 00:27:35,947 Wouldst thou like to live deliciously? 554 00:27:35,989 --> 00:27:37,448 Yes. 555 00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:46,875 I don't think joining a Satn worshipping group of witches 556 00:27:46,916 --> 00:27:49,502 is seen as necessarily a good thing... 557 00:27:51,004 --> 00:27:53,131 But the fact that it's seen as preferable 558 00:27:53,173 --> 00:27:55,133 to the patriarchal society that it was in 559 00:27:55,175 --> 00:27:57,385 is a much more powerful damnation, I think, 560 00:27:57,427 --> 00:27:59,137 about society. 561 00:28:02,432 --> 00:28:06,144 She ultimately gets to have her power, 562 00:28:06,186 --> 00:28:09,814 um, and that ending is just a great revelatory ending. 563 00:28:12,192 --> 00:28:15,069 Some women reluctantly become witches. 564 00:28:16,487 --> 00:28:19,449 Others happily walk the path. 565 00:28:30,501 --> 00:28:32,462 The nice ladies of the Royal Society 566 00:28:32,503 --> 00:28:34,103 for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children 567 00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:36,382 are not what they appear to be. 568 00:28:38,593 --> 00:28:41,012 They are, in fa, child-hating monsters 569 00:28:41,054 --> 00:28:44,474 led by the diabolical grand high witch... 570 00:28:47,852 --> 00:28:51,898 A misshapen crone without a drop of decency. 571 00:28:51,940 --> 00:28:57,362 The witch who dares to say I'm wrong 572 00:28:57,403 --> 00:28:59,530 will not be with us 573 00:28:59,572 --> 00:29:02,033 very long! 574 00:29:02,075 --> 00:29:03,952 Aah! 575 00:29:03,993 --> 00:29:05,495 Directed by Nicolas Roeg, 576 00:29:05,536 --> 00:29:07,872 produced by Jim Henson, 577 00:29:07,914 --> 00:29:10,291 and based on the book by Roald Dahl, 578 00:29:10,333 --> 00:29:14,087 "The Witches" takes a very old school view of the dark arts. 579 00:29:16,214 --> 00:29:18,508 Roald Dahl and Nick Roeg pulled no punches. 580 00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:21,844 Witches are evil; they report to the devil... 581 00:29:23,304 --> 00:29:25,223 They live to kill children. 582 00:29:25,265 --> 00:29:28,601 Real witches have no toes. 583 00:29:28,643 --> 00:29:30,895 The opening of "Witches" 584 00:29:30,937 --> 00:29:34,399 is this beautiful little six-year-old girl... 585 00:29:37,986 --> 00:29:39,570 Cursed into a painting. 586 00:29:39,612 --> 00:29:42,407 Gazing at us. 587 00:29:42,448 --> 00:29:44,117 Until she dies of old age, 588 00:29:44,158 --> 00:29:45,618 locked and trapped in the painting. 589 00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:48,329 One morning, she was gone. 590 00:29:48,371 --> 00:29:50,164 It's really terrifying. 591 00:29:53,084 --> 00:29:55,086 Despite its dark undercurrent, 592 00:29:55,128 --> 00:29:57,130 "The Witches" is one of those rare films 593 00:29:57,171 --> 00:29:59,132 that actually is fun for the whole family. 594 00:30:02,343 --> 00:30:03,511 But in 1990, 595 00:30:03,553 --> 00:30:05,305 some were not amused. 596 00:30:05,346 --> 00:30:07,181 Get the mice. 597 00:30:07,223 --> 00:30:09,267 The Witches of America or the Wiccans 598 00:30:09,309 --> 00:30:11,394 were protesting the movie 599 00:30:11,436 --> 00:30:13,938 for such a negative portrayal of witches, 600 00:30:13,980 --> 00:30:15,273 and they're absolutely right. 601 00:30:17,358 --> 00:30:19,277 Yeah, somebody goes and say, "Witches, uh, 602 00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:20,671 those witches were realy negatively portrayed." 603 00:30:20,695 --> 00:30:22,405 Good, then, let's have a conversatin 604 00:30:22,447 --> 00:30:24,091 because that's the way a lot of people used to feel. 605 00:30:25,325 --> 00:30:27,035 Bye. 606 00:30:30,330 --> 00:30:31,956 Why are you laughing? 607 00:30:31,998 --> 00:30:34,917 I'm not laughing. 608 00:30:34,959 --> 00:30:38,046 Is something suddenly funny? 609 00:30:38,087 --> 00:30:40,548 When it comes to unrepentantly evil witches, 610 00:30:40,590 --> 00:30:43,259 Rob Zombie's "The Lords of Salem" 611 00:30:43,301 --> 00:30:44,594 is hard to top. 612 00:30:44,635 --> 00:30:47,138 Oh, that felt good. 613 00:30:47,180 --> 00:30:49,265 These women come armed 614 00:30:49,307 --> 00:30:52,060 with a subversive message about female power. 615 00:30:52,101 --> 00:30:55,271 "Lords of Salem," I feel, is Rob Zombie's best film. 616 00:30:55,313 --> 00:30:58,149 It's a really good story. It's a nightmarish story. 617 00:30:58,191 --> 00:31:01,152 Sheri Moon Zombie plays Heidi Hawthorne, 618 00:31:01,194 --> 00:31:03,987 a radio DJ in Salem, Massachusetts. 619 00:31:03,988 --> 00:31:06,074 I have no info on where this came from. 620 00:31:06,115 --> 00:31:08,576 All I know is the group is called The Lords. 621 00:31:08,618 --> 00:31:11,954 She's tricked into playing a mysterious record 622 00:31:11,996 --> 00:31:14,415 that awakens the latent witchiness 623 00:31:14,457 --> 00:31:16,542 in the women of Salem. 624 00:31:16,584 --> 00:31:18,669 Heidi's descent into darkness 625 00:31:18,711 --> 00:31:20,588 is sped along by the coven 626 00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:22,799 that lives in her apartment building. 627 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,968 I came up with this coven of witches in Salem... 628 00:31:28,054 --> 00:31:30,348 That were destroyed 629 00:31:30,390 --> 00:31:33,101 by Jonathan Hawthorne, 630 00:31:33,142 --> 00:31:34,644 and then we jump to modern day 631 00:31:34,685 --> 00:31:37,313 where this modern day coven of witches 632 00:31:37,355 --> 00:31:39,315 choose Heidi Hawthorne, 633 00:31:39,357 --> 00:31:40,793 who's a descendent of Jonathan Hawthorne 634 00:31:40,817 --> 00:31:42,497 to be the... the vessel by which, you know, 635 00:31:43,111 --> 00:31:45,321 the Antichrist comes back, and the witches return. 636 00:31:47,281 --> 00:31:49,158 Unlike most witch movies, 637 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,536 "The Lords of Salem" is actually on the side 638 00:31:51,577 --> 00:31:55,164 of the murderous witches and their satanic agenda of evil. 639 00:31:57,041 --> 00:31:59,061 The witches are the heroes in this one again, as usual. 640 00:31:59,085 --> 00:32:00,670 That's why I created 641 00:32:00,711 --> 00:32:03,047 the character of the... Torsten played 642 00:32:03,089 --> 00:32:04,549 of the German black metal guy 643 00:32:04,590 --> 00:32:06,008 ranting against Christianity 644 00:32:06,050 --> 00:32:07,552 just to get a little more in there. 645 00:32:07,593 --> 00:32:10,263 Just to complain about it all. 646 00:32:10,304 --> 00:32:13,599 Our philosophy is to expose the lies 647 00:32:13,641 --> 00:32:16,018 of the Christian whores and Jesus, 648 00:32:16,060 --> 00:32:17,603 the true bringer of death. 649 00:32:19,981 --> 00:32:23,443 The men in the film are secondary characters, 650 00:32:23,484 --> 00:32:25,528 oblivious to the deadly 651 00:32:25,570 --> 00:32:27,572 and very female energy building up in Salem. 652 00:32:30,450 --> 00:32:33,744 I wanted the whole movie to feel like it was a dream. 653 00:32:33,786 --> 00:32:36,747 Is this really happening, does she think this is happening, 654 00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:38,666 is this just a drug dream, or is she crazy? 655 00:32:45,715 --> 00:32:48,217 The film culminates with a hellish ceremony 656 00:32:48,259 --> 00:32:50,636 as the witches summon the return of the Antichrist 657 00:32:50,678 --> 00:32:52,263 through Heidi. 658 00:32:53,639 --> 00:32:55,433 I like the ending a lot, 659 00:32:55,475 --> 00:32:56,743 because I've always been a big fan of Ken Russell movies, 660 00:32:56,767 --> 00:32:58,269 and I like crazy. 661 00:33:00,146 --> 00:33:02,732 'Cause I thought, like, well, if... if you have someone 662 00:33:02,773 --> 00:33:05,568 who their entire soul is being stripped away 663 00:33:05,610 --> 00:33:07,695 because they're being dragged to hell by witches 664 00:33:07,737 --> 00:33:09,572 and forced to give birth to Satan... 665 00:33:11,032 --> 00:33:13,201 What is that gonna look like? 666 00:33:13,242 --> 00:33:16,245 In the burning rivers of the dead. 667 00:33:18,122 --> 00:33:21,542 Ultimately, we see this as a kind of act of revenge 668 00:33:21,584 --> 00:33:24,295 against this patriarchal culture 669 00:33:24,337 --> 00:33:26,756 that found women's power threatening. 670 00:33:28,674 --> 00:33:30,426 And so it was this 671 00:33:30,468 --> 00:33:32,303 generations-long act of revenge 672 00:33:32,345 --> 00:33:34,555 and sort of asserting this power 673 00:33:34,597 --> 00:33:37,391 as something that can't be contained so easily. 674 00:33:41,771 --> 00:33:44,649 If Rob Zombie's "The Lords of Salem" 675 00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:46,317 is a black metal dirge... 676 00:33:49,153 --> 00:33:51,155 Dario Argento's "Suspiria" 677 00:33:51,197 --> 00:33:53,491 is the witch movie as high opera. 678 00:33:55,910 --> 00:33:57,912 Filled with drama, 679 00:33:57,954 --> 00:34:01,707 music, color, and unforgettable violence. 680 00:34:10,383 --> 00:34:13,344 In 1977's "Suspiria"... 681 00:34:15,596 --> 00:34:18,140 Writer/director Dario Argento combined witchcraft 682 00:34:18,182 --> 00:34:20,685 with a violent murder mystery. 683 00:34:20,726 --> 00:34:22,603 Aah! 684 00:34:22,645 --> 00:34:23,789 To create a dreamlike masterpiece 685 00:34:23,813 --> 00:34:25,856 of horror. 686 00:34:28,234 --> 00:34:30,695 To this day, thers nothing else quite like it. 687 00:34:35,533 --> 00:34:37,868 "Suspiria" just feels weird at all times. 688 00:34:39,912 --> 00:34:42,081 As soon as she walks out of the airport, 689 00:34:42,123 --> 00:34:44,208 the music's going, the winds blowing way too hard, 690 00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:45,793 and everything's, like, psychedelic, 691 00:34:45,835 --> 00:34:47,646 you're like, "The is this crazy movie?" 692 00:34:47,670 --> 00:34:49,297 It's just so awesome. 693 00:34:49,338 --> 00:34:51,549 You wouldn't understand. 694 00:34:51,591 --> 00:34:54,427 It all seemed so absurd. 695 00:34:57,221 --> 00:34:59,557 Suzy Bannion, played by Jessica Harper, 696 00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:04,228 has come to Germany to attend a prestigious dance academy. 697 00:35:04,270 --> 00:35:07,315 She enters a world of supernatural terror. 698 00:35:10,484 --> 00:35:11,902 And over the top violence. 699 00:35:13,904 --> 00:35:15,823 The first, like, ten minutes of "Suspiria" 700 00:35:15,865 --> 00:35:18,576 is really unsettling, 701 00:35:18,618 --> 00:35:22,288 and you don't really know the logic of the universe we're in. 702 00:35:22,330 --> 00:35:26,584 The sets are kinda, like, fantastical and amazing. 703 00:35:28,502 --> 00:35:30,504 Incredible eye candy, incredible music. 704 00:35:31,922 --> 00:35:33,215 And also the shocks are... 705 00:35:33,257 --> 00:35:35,760 it's so extravagant and gory 706 00:35:35,801 --> 00:35:37,428 and unsettling. 707 00:35:49,315 --> 00:35:51,317 After traumatizing the audience 708 00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:53,444 with a brutal double murder, 709 00:35:53,486 --> 00:35:56,489 Argento follows Suzy into the academy. 710 00:35:56,530 --> 00:35:58,949 Suzy Bannion, our new student. 711 00:35:58,991 --> 00:36:01,243 Oh, yes. 712 00:36:01,285 --> 00:36:03,663 Suzy becomes e target of the sinister witches 713 00:36:03,704 --> 00:36:04,955 who run the school. 714 00:36:13,422 --> 00:36:15,383 Witch! 715 00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:23,307 One of the really notable elements of "Suspiria" 716 00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:26,811 that is more contemporary than at the time the movie was made 717 00:36:26,852 --> 00:36:29,814 is that it is female-centric. 718 00:36:29,855 --> 00:36:33,609 The protagonists and the antagonists are all female. 719 00:36:33,651 --> 00:36:38,280 There isn't a patriarchal oppressor in "Suspiria." 720 00:36:38,322 --> 00:36:40,282 Who's there? 721 00:36:40,324 --> 00:36:41,635 The power of this movie is matriarchy, 722 00:36:41,659 --> 00:36:44,662 and the hero's journey of it 723 00:36:44,704 --> 00:36:47,331 will have nothing to do with a woman 724 00:36:47,373 --> 00:36:50,835 standing in the face of a man trying to oppress her 725 00:36:50,876 --> 00:36:52,461 or hurt her 726 00:36:52,503 --> 00:36:54,505 because we actually don't even have to consider 727 00:36:54,547 --> 00:36:56,716 the rules and world of men at all. 728 00:36:56,757 --> 00:36:58,843 Witch! 729 00:36:58,884 --> 00:37:00,970 They're outside of all of our concerns here. 730 00:37:03,472 --> 00:37:05,808 Witch! 731 00:37:05,850 --> 00:37:08,561 In "Suspiria," plot takes a back seat to style. 732 00:37:13,107 --> 00:37:15,443 The film is like a surreal nightmare 733 00:37:15,484 --> 00:37:17,820 filled with gorgeously photographed murders 734 00:37:17,862 --> 00:37:21,407 set to a heart-pounding and groundbreaking soundtrack 735 00:37:21,449 --> 00:37:23,784 by the band Goblin. 736 00:37:30,499 --> 00:37:33,669 In terms upsetting some of the conventions 737 00:37:33,711 --> 00:37:35,171 of film scoring, 738 00:37:35,212 --> 00:37:37,631 I think "Suspiria's" a really good example... 739 00:37:39,091 --> 00:37:40,885 Because a lot of the time, 740 00:37:40,926 --> 00:37:42,803 the music really takes a central, 741 00:37:42,845 --> 00:37:44,638 kind of forefront position. 742 00:37:49,435 --> 00:37:53,397 And I think a lot of the negative response to that film 743 00:37:53,439 --> 00:37:56,066 is his aestheticization 744 00:37:56,108 --> 00:37:59,069 of these really horrific acts of violence. 745 00:38:10,414 --> 00:38:11,767 What Dario Argento was really doing, 746 00:38:11,791 --> 00:38:13,459 he was making an adult fairy tale. 747 00:38:15,461 --> 00:38:18,088 It's amazing to see that his inspiration for it 748 00:38:18,130 --> 00:38:20,049 was "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves." 749 00:38:22,802 --> 00:38:25,930 He wanted the color scheme of a Disney film, 750 00:38:25,971 --> 00:38:28,057 and he... he got it. 751 00:38:28,098 --> 00:38:30,059 It's another externalization 752 00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:32,436 of the fears and the anxieties 753 00:38:32,478 --> 00:38:34,772 that the main character is going through. 754 00:38:36,565 --> 00:38:38,418 It really was supposed to be, like, a fairy tale, 755 00:38:38,442 --> 00:38:41,529 and originally he wanted young children to be in the film. 756 00:38:41,570 --> 00:38:44,657 He's got the door handles really igh on the doors 757 00:38:44,698 --> 00:38:46,700 because he wanted to create certain things 758 00:38:46,742 --> 00:38:49,620 that it seemed as though thy were little girls in some way. 759 00:38:50,996 --> 00:38:52,915 Eventually, 760 00:38:52,957 --> 00:38:56,085 Suzy uncovers the dark secrets of the academy. 761 00:38:58,671 --> 00:39:00,506 And she fights for her life 762 00:39:00,548 --> 00:39:02,132 against the coven's invisible queen 763 00:39:02,174 --> 00:39:04,426 and her zombie slave. 764 00:39:11,475 --> 00:39:13,143 Like a fairy tale, 765 00:39:13,185 --> 00:39:15,604 good ultimately triumphs over evil. 766 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,613 That movie was taking the modern slasher genre 767 00:39:24,655 --> 00:39:26,991 and turning it into high art, 768 00:39:27,032 --> 00:39:29,118 and I feel like the horror genre 769 00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:32,121 is just now really beginning to catch up 770 00:39:32,162 --> 00:39:33,539 with the simple idea 771 00:39:33,581 --> 00:39:36,500 of high aspirational art 772 00:39:36,542 --> 00:39:38,210 in American horror cinema. 773 00:39:43,549 --> 00:39:47,011 Luca Guadagnino's recent update of "Suspiria" 774 00:39:47,052 --> 00:39:51,015 swaps Argento's bright colors for muted earth tones, 775 00:39:51,056 --> 00:39:52,892 and a serpentine plot. 776 00:39:54,518 --> 00:39:56,854 I like the original "Suspiria," 777 00:39:56,896 --> 00:39:58,480 just 'cause it's gorgeous, 778 00:39:58,522 --> 00:40:00,232 but I will say in the remake, 779 00:40:00,274 --> 00:40:01,918 I felt like they made much better use of the dancing. 780 00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:14,747 Rather than pitting Suzy against the witches, 781 00:40:14,788 --> 00:40:17,750 Guadagnino puts her in the middle of a battle 782 00:40:17,791 --> 00:40:20,044 in between Madame Blanc and Helena Markos, 783 00:40:20,085 --> 00:40:24,173 good and evil witches vying to run the academy. 784 00:40:28,677 --> 00:40:30,512 I liked that struggle for power 785 00:40:30,554 --> 00:40:32,890 between these two feminine forces. 786 00:40:32,932 --> 00:40:35,935 You have essentially, like, an election drama 787 00:40:35,976 --> 00:40:38,604 between Markos and Blanc 788 00:40:38,646 --> 00:40:41,774 that culminates in a black Sabbath scene 789 00:40:41,815 --> 00:40:43,609 that's like, "Yeah, give me election drama 790 00:40:43,651 --> 00:40:46,070 "with people's heads literally exploding off their bodies 791 00:40:46,111 --> 00:40:48,781 in a chamber covered in women's hair." 792 00:40:51,784 --> 00:40:53,911 I'll watch that seven out of seven days a week. 793 00:40:57,831 --> 00:41:00,250 It's not common in other genres 794 00:41:00,292 --> 00:41:03,963 to see women as powerful and dangerous. 795 00:41:04,004 --> 00:41:05,130 Find him. 796 00:41:07,424 --> 00:41:10,552 And to watch them take back that power and use it 797 00:41:10,594 --> 00:41:12,179 to break free 798 00:41:12,221 --> 00:41:14,765 is really exciting. 799 00:41:14,807 --> 00:41:16,266 Young 800 00:41:16,308 --> 00:41:17,935 or old, 801 00:41:17,977 --> 00:41:20,562 cruel or kind, 802 00:41:20,604 --> 00:41:24,692 witches embody the magic and mystery of femininity. 803 00:41:26,276 --> 00:41:27,820 They command our respect. 804 00:41:27,861 --> 00:41:29,238 Oh, God! 805 00:41:29,279 --> 00:41:31,407 And remind us 806 00:41:31,448 --> 00:41:33,368 that the people who brought us into this world... 807 00:41:34,368 --> 00:41:36,120 Can also take us out of it. 808 00:41:36,161 --> 00:41:37,913 You're doomed forever! 59727

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