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By the pricking of my thumbs,
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something wicked
this way comes.
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Who's afrad
of a wicked witch?
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Everybody.
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"The Witch"
is a perfect example
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of an
atmospheric horror movie.
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It was one of the scariest
films I've ever seen.
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Sometimes an evil witch
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is just gonna come back
and haunt you.
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What are you gonna do?
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Hello?
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Who would've thought
"The Blair Witch Project"
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would work the way that it was.
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It's disturbing.
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I mean, this was kamikaze
filmmaking at its greatest.
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It changed filmmaking.
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And it's always been that the
witch has negative intentions.
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She's punished at some point
for having the power.
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You're a witch.
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A solitary witch
is one thing,
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but a group a women
working together
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creating power that's more
than the sum of its parts,
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is just...
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exhilarating.
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We were one of the first new
waves of bringing witchcraft
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and paganism to the future.
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Aah!
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"Suspiria" just feels weid
at all times.
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It's just so awesome.
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We don't have consider the
rules and world of men at all.
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Aah!
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They're outside
of all of our concerns here.
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The witch
is a towering figure
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in the history of horror.
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The archetypical evil witch
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is everything
mainstream religion
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tells us a woman
should ot be:
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a Satan-worshipping,
baby-killing predator
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who fears neither God nor man.
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Like all good monsters,
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a bad witch
does whatever she likes
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whenever she likes.
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That unapologetic,
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very female power
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frightens men
and fascinates women.
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In real life, witches were
non-conformist women
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persecuted
by religious fanatics.
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They suffered horrible deaths
for their imagined crimes.
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Perhaps society's
collective guilt
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fuels the stories we tell
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about witches
who come back for revenge.
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Oh, dear God!
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Sometimes the
vengeful witches you don't see
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are the most terrifying,
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and there few better examples
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than
"The Blair Witch Project."
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! Go!
Oh, God!
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Who would've thought
"The Blair Witch Project"
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would work the way that it was.
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The first time I saw t
movie, I was in the hospital,
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and I was doped up.
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My son brought
a VHS tape of it,
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and he said,
"You gotta watch this."
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Halfway through it, I said,
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"Turn it off, it's too freaky.
I can't."
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Oh, my God,
what the is that?
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What the is that?
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I had the same experience.
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I was like, "I have
to turn the lights on."
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I was so disturbed
by the end of the movie.
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It's disturbing.
That's right.
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I was, like,
I get chills thinking about
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how scared I was.
- Yeah.
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Come on!
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I hear him downstairs!
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In "The Blair Witch Project,"
the witch,
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it feels like it's everywhere.
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Hello?
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It's almost like
the woods itself is the witch.
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There's not just this one
mysterious figure
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that shows up.
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The entire experience
is mysterious.
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All right, come on.
Into the house.
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Come on.
Come on.
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"The Blair Witch Project"
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wasn't the first
found footage movie ever made,
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but it was the first
t become a massive hit.
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We have these
three film students
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going off into the woods
to make a documentary
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about what they believe
is an urban legend
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of the Blair Witch.
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Have you heard
of the Blair Witch?
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Oh, yeah.
That's an old, old, old story.
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So from the very beginning,
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the interviews with the
townspeople are all credible.
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These don't look like actors.
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These look like just people
you would meet on the street.
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And that crew is every bit
as annoying...
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As you might imagine a crew
in real life might be.
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Oh, he licked it.
God bless him.
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Yeah, there we go.
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They didn't cast, like,
CW-type hunky leads.
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They were, you know,
the schlubs next door
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or the people in the dorm room
next to you.
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- Packs are on.
- We're rocking.
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- We're ready to go.
- Let's rock.
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All I knew when I was gunning
for the job
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and... and... and when I first
got hired was,
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it was a movie about
three student filmmakers
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who went out in the woods
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to investigate the leged
of the Blair Witch,
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and they went missing.
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Actors Heather Donahue,
Josh Leonard,
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and Mike Williams
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were given film equipment ad
a loose set of instructions,
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then sent off into the woods.
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So they wanted to keep it
as naturalistic as possible.
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It is the three of us
filming each other
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and recording sound
of each other
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and we would have
no direct interaction
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with the directors of the film
while we were making it.
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They gave us a GPS, and they
had programmed in waypoints
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which were hatch marks
on the map,
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and we were to find our way
to these different waypoints.
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So we knew we were
gonna encounter things;
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we just didn't know what
those things were gonna be.
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What?
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Some of your stuff is
hanging all over the ground!
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No way.
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- They're all over the place.
- Holy.
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The special effects,
if you wanna call it that,
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rocks and twigs, you know?
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Things hanging in the woods
are so simple
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that they feel true.
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They don't feel like
something that, you know,
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a set designer's
gonna come up with.
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Hello?
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They find clues that
the Blair Witch might be real.
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You don't think
this is strange?
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They start to be
kind of stalked.
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They find themselves
lost in the woods,
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and it seems to be due
to a supernatural force.
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They start to
act irrationally.
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Help!
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They end up going
in circles.
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Turn that thing off!.
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Then they start
getting picked off
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kind of one by one.
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Come on!
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Josh!
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In the end of course,
they're all dead.
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And that's how the footage
supposedly came to us.
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It's that beautiful moment
when she's on the ground,
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and she's weeping
and shuddering...
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that actress was terrified
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and put all of that work
into the camera,
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and it came right at us,
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and we wanted to help her.
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I'm scared to close my eyes.
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I'm scared to open them.
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I think without
Heather's monologue
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and that weird framing
of that shot,
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I don't think the film works.
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I am so, so sorry.
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I think that very iconic
moment made the film,
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and added so many stakes
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and so much relatability
to the film,
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and Mike and I had no idea
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that she filmed that
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until we saw it for
the first time in a theater.
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I'm gonna die out here.
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Made for $60,000,
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"The Blair Witch Project"
grossed $250 million
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at the box office.
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It was the first movie
that used the internet
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to sell tickets basically,
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to use the internet to create
a marketing campaign,
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and it was brilliant.
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It had never
been attempted before.
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The film was
marketed as a true story,
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a deception supported
by a convincing website.
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I thought that film
was real.
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I walked out of there going,
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"We have to find...
we have to find these people.
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Where are they?"
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I hear him.
I hear him.
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I hear you.
Josh!
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It feels like you're there.
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It feels like something
that would happen.
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"Blair Witch" nailed it.
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"Blair Witch"
is part of a long tradition
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of treating witchcraft
as a force of evil,
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but some movies show us
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witchcraft can be
a force for good
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if it's in the right hands.
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In the movies,
witches wear many faces.
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Ugly and beautiful.
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Repellent and irresistible.
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But for most people,
the all-time iconic witch
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arrived in 1939,
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in the form of actress
Margaret Hamilton.
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If we were doing a Rorschach
test and you said witch,
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the first thing
I would say back to you
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is the Wicked Witch of the West
in "The Wizard of Oz,"
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a film that millions upon
millions of people have seen.
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I think she is the
personification of a witch.
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I'll get you, my pretty,
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and your little dog too!
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The merciless
Wicked Witch of the West
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is one of the most
recognizable creations
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in cinema.
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Green face, hook nose,
pointed chin...
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she represents one of the
oldest villains of folklore:
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the evil crone.
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Oh!
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And like many
horror archetypes,
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she's the product
of cultural anxiety.
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Aging, especially for women,
is terrifying.
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If our bodies are
our primary form of currency,
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then as we age, we lose value.
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One way that women are kind
of contained in society
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is by being expected
to focus on being appealing
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and so the crone
is terrifying
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because she has
no interest in that.
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Aah!
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But in the modern times,
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witches have become dynamc
figures of female power.
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Like the glamorous
Witches of Eastwick.
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Repressed women liberated wn
they embrace their passions.
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At first they fill
the traditional witch's role
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of being Satan's concubines...
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But when they pool
their power,
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they put the chauvinist devil
in his place.
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I put a spell on you.
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And now you're mine.
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The three witchy sisters
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of Disney's "Hocus Pocus" had
a classically evil goal:
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to drain out
the souls of children.
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They were scary and powerful,
but somehow lovable.
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I suggest we form
a calming circle.
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I am calm!
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Oh, sister, thou art not
being honest with thyself,
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are we?
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It is a fine line
figuring out how evil
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to make the witches,
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how playful to make
the surroundings,
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and they have to be a threat.
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But they can't be unpleasant.
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But the real turning point
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in the representation
of witches
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came with a horror movie
aimed at teenagers.
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The young women in "The Craft"
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embraced the Earth-worshipping
magic of modern day pagans...
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With a healthy dose
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of supernatural
special effects.
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Hi, I got clean towels
for everyone.
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Aah!
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Oh, my butt.
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- What's going on in here?
- Nothing, why?
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- Are you girls getting high?
- No, Mom.
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"The Craft" gave us outcasts
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who kind of came
into their power,
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despite or maybe even because
of that outsider status,
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and it gave us this model
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of girls who could be
kind of badass
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and kind of goth
and just different.
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"The Craft"
is about four girls,
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three who have been together
for a while,
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and a new girl arrives at
school, Sarah Bailey...
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Do you guys mind
if I sit with you?
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'Cause I'm supposed to find
the lab group.
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She meets this group
of outcasts
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and finds a place where
she can maybe fit in,
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and it turns out that
this group is witches.
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Aid us in our magical
working on this May's eve.
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We see that they each have
a kind of issue.
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Don't hit your head
on the board.
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Racism...
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The scarring of Neve
Campbell's character's body.
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Intimate partner violence,
some domestic violence.
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Stop!
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We see that
by working together,
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they can kind of create
this power where
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they're more than
the sum of their parts.
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Like modern
Wiccans and Pagans,
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these girls
don't worship Satan.
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They draw their power
from nature.
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Fire, water, air.
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I think witch's power
is so important
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is because it's rooted
in strength.
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Witchcraft and Paganism,
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it's rooted in a connection
to the Earth.
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As above...
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It is respect for the Earth.
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So below.
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00:14:36,460 --> 00:14:41,131
But the idea was to take the
religion, Wicca, seriously.
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If you get all
of the little details right
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about this religion,
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you can take a few liberties
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and make something
supernatural happen,
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and it's more believable.
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Ours is the magic,
ours is the power.
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They start practicing
witchcraft more intensely
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and getting magical results,
305
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and they're intoxicated
by the results,
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and then they want more.
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It's analogy
for female sexuality.
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If you notice,
as their powers get stronger,
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our skirts get shorter.
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Society's always been
scared of women
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and their sexuality.
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And teenagers, that's
their burgeoning sexuality
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when it hits,
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so the witchcraft kind of
an analogy for that fear
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that we have
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of women coming
into their power.
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At first, the girls'
new power is liberating...
318
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But they soon begn
to abuse their gifts...
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First with
small acts of revenge...
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Just keeps falling out.
321
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And then with murder.
322
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Nancy's character
is the addict.
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She's the one who can't
restrain her use of the power.
324
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When she gets a good feeling
she needs more of it.
325
00:16:03,589 --> 00:16:05,215
"The Craft"
uses witchcraft
326
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as a metaphor for drug use.
327
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But it also uses
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the tight knit circle
of a witch's coven
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to explore the world
of teenage girls...
330
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A time when your best friends
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can become your worst enemies
overnight.
332
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There you are.
333
00:16:23,817 --> 00:16:26,111
We've looking everywhere
for you.
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00:16:26,153 --> 00:16:28,489
As teenage girls,
they're hitting the age
335
00:16:28,530 --> 00:16:30,300
where you start to get
pitted against each other.
336
00:16:30,324 --> 00:16:32,284
Instead of having sisterhood,
337
00:16:32,326 --> 00:16:35,120
we started to go,
"There can only be one!"
338
00:16:35,162 --> 00:16:37,247
And that's insane.
339
00:16:41,502 --> 00:16:43,670
When you're a teenager,
your brain just isn't right.
340
00:16:43,712 --> 00:16:45,714
You're chemically not balanced,
341
00:16:45,756 --> 00:16:48,217
and then you add in
the social constructs
342
00:16:48,258 --> 00:16:50,594
and the way that they're
trying to navigate that
343
00:16:50,636 --> 00:16:53,096
and interact with one another.
344
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There is something, like,
an element of violence to it,
345
00:16:55,766 --> 00:16:58,769
even if it's never physical,
it's, like, emotional violence
346
00:16:58,810 --> 00:17:00,646
that you deal with
as a teenage girl.
347
00:17:02,731 --> 00:17:05,484
I think the horror genre
is actually a great genre
348
00:17:05,526 --> 00:17:07,653
to explore those concepts
349
00:17:07,694 --> 00:17:10,197
because you can make physical
350
00:17:10,239 --> 00:17:12,407
what a lot of girls
are feeling internally
351
00:17:12,449 --> 00:17:13,449
all the time.
352
00:17:13,450 --> 00:17:15,410
Stop it!
353
00:17:18,830 --> 00:17:21,166
"The Craft"
was a frothy blend
354
00:17:21,208 --> 00:17:22,584
of adolescent angst
355
00:17:22,626 --> 00:17:25,837
and modern witchcraft.
356
00:17:25,879 --> 00:17:29,800
"Hereditary"
mixes similar ingredients
357
00:17:29,841 --> 00:17:32,511
into a much darker brew.
358
00:17:38,559 --> 00:17:41,186
In the movies,
359
00:17:41,228 --> 00:17:42,455
the wicked witches
of olden times
360
00:17:42,479 --> 00:17:44,523
were easy to spot.
361
00:17:46,733 --> 00:17:49,695
But what do modern day
wicked witches look like?
362
00:17:51,113 --> 00:17:53,282
Perhaps like the shadowy coven
363
00:17:53,323 --> 00:17:56,034
in Ari Aster's harrowing film,
"Hereditary."
364
00:17:57,828 --> 00:17:59,788
Though they are
never clearly seen
365
00:17:59,830 --> 00:18:02,374
until the film's
explosive conclusion...
366
00:18:06,962 --> 00:18:09,590
Mommy, please,
I'm begging you.
367
00:18:09,631 --> 00:18:11,550
I'm begging you to stop!
368
00:18:11,592 --> 00:18:13,552
Their presence
is always felt.
369
00:18:16,597 --> 00:18:18,807
One of the first images
that came to me
370
00:18:18,849 --> 00:18:20,892
when I was developing
"Hereditary,"
371
00:18:20,934 --> 00:18:23,312
was that of the dollhouse
372
00:18:23,353 --> 00:18:25,439
and this artist who was,
you know,
373
00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,400
making these very
true to life replicas
374
00:18:28,442 --> 00:18:30,944
of, like,
the spaces in her life.
375
00:18:30,986 --> 00:18:34,364
That just felt like
an appropriate metaphor
376
00:18:34,406 --> 00:18:38,243
for this film about a family
that ultimately has no agency.
377
00:18:38,285 --> 00:18:40,412
Ultimately, they are like dolls
in a dollhouse.
378
00:18:40,454 --> 00:18:42,873
The family
is grappling with the death
379
00:18:42,914 --> 00:18:45,292
of its icy matriarch.
380
00:18:45,334 --> 00:18:48,462
They don't realize grandma was
the leader of a witch's coven
381
00:18:48,503 --> 00:18:50,631
that worships a demon
named Paimon.
382
00:18:52,257 --> 00:18:54,760
And she won't let
a small thing like dying
383
00:18:54,801 --> 00:18:57,554
get in the way of her plans
for her granddaughter,
384
00:18:57,596 --> 00:18:59,598
a strange 13-year-old
named Charlie.
385
00:19:04,019 --> 00:19:06,396
I really wanted to be
in a horror movie,
386
00:19:06,438 --> 00:19:08,238
specifically as a character
that wasn't, like,
387
00:19:08,273 --> 00:19:10,108
the one running around scared,
388
00:19:10,150 --> 00:19:13,362
so I could kind of figure out
what that person is thinking
389
00:19:13,403 --> 00:19:14,964
and, like, why they're doing
the things they do
390
00:19:14,988 --> 00:19:16,490
and how their brain works.
391
00:19:17,949 --> 00:19:19,576
I don't think like that,
392
00:19:19,618 --> 00:19:21,662
I wouldn't normally, like,
cut bird heads off...
393
00:19:23,914 --> 00:19:26,917
Charlie's peculiar behavior
394
00:19:26,958 --> 00:19:28,794
is explained by the fact
395
00:19:28,835 --> 00:19:32,339
that she and the demon
share a body
396
00:19:32,381 --> 00:19:36,927
thanks to grandma's
black magic.
397
00:19:36,968 --> 00:19:39,513
At first,
"Hereditary" seems to be about
398
00:19:39,554 --> 00:19:42,808
a woman who doesn't realize
her child is possessed.
399
00:19:42,849 --> 00:19:45,018
- You're going.
- Why?
400
00:19:45,060 --> 00:19:46,561
Because it'll be fun.
401
00:19:46,603 --> 00:19:48,522
Because you'll get to hang out
with other kids.
402
00:19:48,563 --> 00:19:50,482
But then Chare
and her brother Peter
403
00:19:50,524 --> 00:19:51,983
go to a party,
404
00:19:52,025 --> 00:19:53,527
she has
an allergic reaction...
405
00:19:53,568 --> 00:19:55,654
I think my throat's
getting bigger.
406
00:19:55,696 --> 00:19:57,781
He tries to rush her
to a hospital
407
00:19:57,823 --> 00:20:00,283
and things take a tragic turn.
408
00:20:02,869 --> 00:20:04,830
Ooh!
409
00:20:06,373 --> 00:20:09,376
I was excited
to get decapitated.
410
00:20:09,418 --> 00:20:12,379
I've always wanted to die
in a film or a show
411
00:20:12,421 --> 00:20:14,715
in some, like,
very overdramatic way
412
00:20:14,756 --> 00:20:16,675
and getting decapitated,
413
00:20:16,717 --> 00:20:18,927
it's, like, one of
the best ways to go.
414
00:20:18,969 --> 00:20:21,555
It's so dramatic.
It's so, like, extreme.
415
00:20:28,019 --> 00:20:29,646
The head comes off,
416
00:20:29,688 --> 00:20:31,857
but it's handled in a very
kind of tasteful way,
417
00:20:31,898 --> 00:20:33,817
and part of the fun of that
418
00:20:33,859 --> 00:20:36,695
was knowing that
we were gonna stay with Peter
419
00:20:36,737 --> 00:20:38,655
for a very long time,
420
00:20:38,697 --> 00:20:40,532
go home with him,
go to bed with him,
421
00:20:40,574 --> 00:20:43,910
and then drop the head
eight minutes later.
422
00:20:52,711 --> 00:20:55,714
That's where we reveal what
the movie actually is.
423
00:20:57,382 --> 00:20:59,384
Charlie's death triggers
424
00:20:59,426 --> 00:21:02,095
the already dysfunctionl
family's collapse.
425
00:21:02,137 --> 00:21:04,222
She's gone forever!
426
00:21:05,682 --> 00:21:07,851
And what a waste.
427
00:21:07,893 --> 00:21:10,687
If it could've maybe brought us
together or something.
428
00:21:10,729 --> 00:21:13,023
If you could've just said,
"I'm sorry,"
429
00:21:13,064 --> 00:21:15,025
or faced up to what happened,
430
00:21:15,066 --> 00:21:17,694
maybe then we could
do something with this,
431
00:21:17,736 --> 00:21:20,030
but you can't take
responsibility for anything!
432
00:21:20,071 --> 00:21:22,908
So now I can't accept.
433
00:21:22,949 --> 00:21:25,619
There were just some horribly
434
00:21:25,660 --> 00:21:29,706
emotionally draining moments
where you...
435
00:21:29,748 --> 00:21:32,918
Toni Collette is so good
in that movie, and you just...
436
00:21:32,959 --> 00:21:35,462
all you wanna do is find a way
437
00:21:35,504 --> 00:21:37,088
for her to release her
of her pain.
438
00:21:41,843 --> 00:21:43,720
But pain
is precisely the emotion
439
00:21:43,762 --> 00:21:45,931
the witches use
to manipulate their victims.
440
00:21:47,641 --> 00:21:50,811
The movie's about a family
that in many ways
441
00:21:50,852 --> 00:21:52,612
is kind of following each other
into madness,
442
00:21:52,646 --> 00:21:54,439
especially Toni Collette's
character
443
00:21:54,481 --> 00:21:56,608
and Alex Wolff's character.
444
00:21:56,650 --> 00:21:58,461
They're really kind of
pushing each other there.
445
00:21:58,485 --> 00:22:00,445
- Why did you try to kill me?
- I love you.
446
00:22:00,487 --> 00:22:02,030
I didn't!
I was trying to save you!
447
00:22:02,072 --> 00:22:06,076
Why did you try to kill me?
448
00:22:06,117 --> 00:22:07,744
You are sick.
449
00:22:07,786 --> 00:22:09,663
Once the coven
450
00:22:09,704 --> 00:22:11,540
has pushed the family
over the edge,
451
00:22:11,581 --> 00:22:13,458
the film explodes
into a supernatural orgy
452
00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:14,835
of violent death.
453
00:22:18,004 --> 00:22:19,965
By the time
you get to the end
454
00:22:20,006 --> 00:22:21,800
of the movie,
455
00:22:21,842 --> 00:22:23,635
and Toni Collette's, like,
456
00:22:23,677 --> 00:22:26,847
levitating and sawing
her own head off
457
00:22:26,888 --> 00:22:29,808
with that horrifying look
on her face,
458
00:22:32,519 --> 00:22:34,104
I didn't know what to do.
459
00:22:34,145 --> 00:22:35,957
Like, I didn't even know
where the movie was going.
460
00:22:40,026 --> 00:22:41,903
I love when movies, you know,
461
00:22:41,945 --> 00:22:45,490
kind of embrace
a more operatic sensibility.
462
00:22:45,532 --> 00:22:48,493
Why not just go off the rails
and just go there, you know?
463
00:22:48,535 --> 00:22:51,121
You know that you're gonna
be alienating
464
00:22:51,162 --> 00:22:53,707
a large section
of the audience,
465
00:22:53,748 --> 00:22:55,476
and you know that people are
kinda gonna get off the ride
466
00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:58,169
at that point, but for me...
467
00:22:58,211 --> 00:23:00,130
- Oh, my God.
- It's okay, it's okay.
468
00:23:00,171 --> 00:23:01,506
I just didn't care.
469
00:23:01,548 --> 00:23:03,174
It's okay, it's okay.
470
00:23:03,216 --> 00:23:05,093
Like the coven
in "Hereditary,"
471
00:23:05,135 --> 00:23:08,221
demonic women in "The Witch"
are rarely seen.
472
00:23:10,098 --> 00:23:11,391
But they know exactly
473
00:23:11,433 --> 00:23:12,642
how to drag a family to hel.
474
00:23:21,735 --> 00:23:24,654
In colonial Ameri,
475
00:23:24,696 --> 00:23:25,798
the face of a witch
often look like this...
476
00:23:27,908 --> 00:23:29,993
The face of Thomasin,
477
00:23:30,035 --> 00:23:33,705
the teenage protagonist
of Robert Eggers' "The Witch."
478
00:23:33,747 --> 00:23:36,666
Tell us why you
went to the wood.
479
00:23:36,708 --> 00:23:38,877
- I promise.
- I care not.
480
00:23:41,796 --> 00:23:45,717
"The Witch"
is the scariest movie
481
00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:49,220
in its residual effect on me,
maybe ever.
482
00:23:51,014 --> 00:23:53,642
I felt contaminated
483
00:23:53,683 --> 00:23:56,895
by the evil of that movie.
484
00:23:59,689 --> 00:24:02,067
Set in 1620,
485
00:24:02,108 --> 00:24:03,985
"The Witch" tells the tale
486
00:24:04,027 --> 00:24:06,821
of a family banished
from the Plymouth colony
487
00:24:06,863 --> 00:24:10,116
because the patriarch
is too unbendingly religious
488
00:24:10,158 --> 00:24:12,953
even for
his fellow Calvinists.
489
00:24:12,994 --> 00:24:16,957
The family sets up a homestead
in the wilds of New England,
490
00:24:16,998 --> 00:24:20,001
and are targeted
by the baby-killing witches
491
00:24:20,043 --> 00:24:21,670
that live in the woods.
492
00:24:24,673 --> 00:24:27,050
Mmm, boo!
493
00:24:27,092 --> 00:24:28,593
There you are.
494
00:24:28,635 --> 00:24:31,930
There you are.
495
00:24:31,972 --> 00:24:34,432
Mmm, boo!
496
00:24:36,851 --> 00:24:38,812
Sam?
497
00:24:42,816 --> 00:24:44,943
When the baby disappears...
498
00:24:44,985 --> 00:24:47,946
you can imagine being
completely out there
499
00:24:47,988 --> 00:24:51,783
without any kind of real sort
of civilization around you,
500
00:24:51,825 --> 00:24:53,493
to sort help.
501
00:24:53,535 --> 00:24:55,304
It's just a few of you
and the family in the woods.
502
00:25:01,084 --> 00:25:02,728
"The Witch" was shot
entirely in natural light.
503
00:25:02,752 --> 00:25:04,587
Black Phillip,
Black Phillip!
504
00:25:04,629 --> 00:25:06,548
With the actors
wearing costumes
505
00:25:06,589 --> 00:25:08,133
made from
period appropriate fabrics.
506
00:25:08,174 --> 00:25:09,884
Everything feels real.
507
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,639
Black Phillip is the nae
I give, he goes along with...
508
00:25:14,681 --> 00:25:16,975
- I cannot abide your songs.
- Please you, Mercy.
509
00:25:17,017 --> 00:25:19,144
Even the film's
dialogue is authentic,
510
00:25:19,185 --> 00:25:21,187
much it taken
511
00:25:21,229 --> 00:25:23,165
from actual transcripts
of the Salem Witch Trials.
512
00:25:23,189 --> 00:25:25,108
Take your leave.
513
00:25:26,484 --> 00:25:27,861
Free us from
the shaman's omen,
514
00:25:27,902 --> 00:25:30,780
would you do unto us, Father.
Amen.
515
00:25:30,822 --> 00:25:33,283
Thomasin lives in
a world of religious dread
516
00:25:33,324 --> 00:25:34,993
where Satan is real.
517
00:25:36,911 --> 00:25:38,705
Witches
are his unholy consults,
518
00:25:38,747 --> 00:25:41,666
and temptation and corruption
519
00:25:41,708 --> 00:25:44,169
lurk around every corner.
520
00:25:56,222 --> 00:25:58,224
Come on.
521
00:25:58,266 --> 00:25:59,726
After her young brother
522
00:25:59,768 --> 00:26:01,811
is seduced and murdered,
523
00:26:01,853 --> 00:26:04,898
the family begins to suspect
Thomasin is responsible.
524
00:26:06,775 --> 00:26:08,610
Her emergent womanhood
525
00:26:08,651 --> 00:26:10,046
is as unsettling to them
as Black Phillip,
526
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:11,863
the Satanic goat.
527
00:26:11,905 --> 00:26:13,698
Baa, baa, baa.
528
00:26:16,284 --> 00:26:18,912
Horror loves to exaggerate.
529
00:26:20,705 --> 00:26:24,042
So the idea of the girl
going through puberty
530
00:26:24,084 --> 00:26:26,044
as a source of horror...
531
00:26:27,378 --> 00:26:30,173
And as a source
of female power
532
00:26:30,215 --> 00:26:33,343
is something that shows up
in a lot of horror films.
533
00:26:33,384 --> 00:26:35,261
It is you!
534
00:26:35,303 --> 00:26:37,347
I am your daughter.
535
00:26:37,388 --> 00:26:40,725
The devil is in thee
and has had thee.
536
00:26:40,767 --> 00:26:45,396
Here's this good person who
is being consumed by an evil
537
00:26:45,438 --> 00:26:47,398
that she cannot escape.
538
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,068
She only wants to be good and
only wants to do what is right.
539
00:26:52,737 --> 00:26:56,407
And the idea of becoming
usurped by evil...
540
00:26:56,449 --> 00:26:58,827
I am no witch.
541
00:26:58,868 --> 00:27:02,038
Is one of the scariest ideas
that you can think of
542
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,040
from a theological or religious
point of view.
543
00:27:04,082 --> 00:27:07,085
Please, Father.
No, it's not safe!
544
00:27:07,127 --> 00:27:10,004
But at the same time
the movie is very critical
545
00:27:10,046 --> 00:27:13,133
in saying,
"This is what religion
546
00:27:13,174 --> 00:27:14,843
"and religious hysteria
547
00:27:14,884 --> 00:27:18,763
"and religious repression
also inevitably does
548
00:27:18,805 --> 00:27:21,266
to young agile minds."
549
00:27:21,307 --> 00:27:24,060
Aah!
550
00:27:24,102 --> 00:27:25,812
Betrayed by her family,
551
00:27:25,854 --> 00:27:27,939
Thomasin loses everything
552
00:27:27,981 --> 00:27:30,441
and must make
a terrible choice.
553
00:27:32,318 --> 00:27:35,947
Wouldst thou
like to live deliciously?
554
00:27:35,989 --> 00:27:37,448
Yes.
555
00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:46,875
I don't think joining a Satn
worshipping group of witches
556
00:27:46,916 --> 00:27:49,502
is seen as necessarily
a good thing...
557
00:27:51,004 --> 00:27:53,131
But the fact that
it's seen as preferable
558
00:27:53,173 --> 00:27:55,133
to the patriarchal society
that it was in
559
00:27:55,175 --> 00:27:57,385
is a much more
powerful damnation, I think,
560
00:27:57,427 --> 00:27:59,137
about society.
561
00:28:02,432 --> 00:28:06,144
She ultimately gets
to have her power,
562
00:28:06,186 --> 00:28:09,814
um, and that ending is just
a great revelatory ending.
563
00:28:12,192 --> 00:28:15,069
Some women
reluctantly become witches.
564
00:28:16,487 --> 00:28:19,449
Others happily walk the path.
565
00:28:30,501 --> 00:28:32,462
The nice ladies
of the Royal Society
566
00:28:32,503 --> 00:28:34,103
for the Prevention
of Cruelty to Children
567
00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:36,382
are not
what they appear to be.
568
00:28:38,593 --> 00:28:41,012
They are, in fa,
child-hating monsters
569
00:28:41,054 --> 00:28:44,474
led by the diabolical
grand high witch...
570
00:28:47,852 --> 00:28:51,898
A misshapen crone
without a drop of decency.
571
00:28:51,940 --> 00:28:57,362
The witch who dares
to say I'm wrong
572
00:28:57,403 --> 00:28:59,530
will not be with us
573
00:28:59,572 --> 00:29:02,033
very long!
574
00:29:02,075 --> 00:29:03,952
Aah!
575
00:29:03,993 --> 00:29:05,495
Directed by Nicolas Roeg,
576
00:29:05,536 --> 00:29:07,872
produced by Jim Henson,
577
00:29:07,914 --> 00:29:10,291
and based on the book
by Roald Dahl,
578
00:29:10,333 --> 00:29:14,087
"The Witches" takes a very old
school view of the dark arts.
579
00:29:16,214 --> 00:29:18,508
Roald Dahl and Nick Roeg
pulled no punches.
580
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:21,844
Witches are evil;
they report to the devil...
581
00:29:23,304 --> 00:29:25,223
They live to kill children.
582
00:29:25,265 --> 00:29:28,601
Real witches have no toes.
583
00:29:28,643 --> 00:29:30,895
The opening of "Witches"
584
00:29:30,937 --> 00:29:34,399
is this beautiful little
six-year-old girl...
585
00:29:37,986 --> 00:29:39,570
Cursed into a painting.
586
00:29:39,612 --> 00:29:42,407
Gazing at us.
587
00:29:42,448 --> 00:29:44,117
Until she dies of old age,
588
00:29:44,158 --> 00:29:45,618
locked and trapped
in the painting.
589
00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:48,329
One morning, she was gone.
590
00:29:48,371 --> 00:29:50,164
It's really terrifying.
591
00:29:53,084 --> 00:29:55,086
Despite its dark undercurrent,
592
00:29:55,128 --> 00:29:57,130
"The Witches" is one
of those rare films
593
00:29:57,171 --> 00:29:59,132
that actually is fun
for the whole family.
594
00:30:02,343 --> 00:30:03,511
But in 1990,
595
00:30:03,553 --> 00:30:05,305
some were not amused.
596
00:30:05,346 --> 00:30:07,181
Get the mice.
597
00:30:07,223 --> 00:30:09,267
The Witches of America
or the Wiccans
598
00:30:09,309 --> 00:30:11,394
were protesting the movie
599
00:30:11,436 --> 00:30:13,938
for such a negative portrayal
of witches,
600
00:30:13,980 --> 00:30:15,273
and they're absolutely right.
601
00:30:17,358 --> 00:30:19,277
Yeah, somebody goes and say,
"Witches, uh,
602
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:20,671
those witches were realy
negatively portrayed."
603
00:30:20,695 --> 00:30:22,405
Good, then,
let's have a conversatin
604
00:30:22,447 --> 00:30:24,091
because that's the way
a lot of people used to feel.
605
00:30:25,325 --> 00:30:27,035
Bye.
606
00:30:30,330 --> 00:30:31,956
Why are you laughing?
607
00:30:31,998 --> 00:30:34,917
I'm not laughing.
608
00:30:34,959 --> 00:30:38,046
Is something suddenly funny?
609
00:30:38,087 --> 00:30:40,548
When it comes to
unrepentantly evil witches,
610
00:30:40,590 --> 00:30:43,259
Rob Zombie's
"The Lords of Salem"
611
00:30:43,301 --> 00:30:44,594
is hard to top.
612
00:30:44,635 --> 00:30:47,138
Oh, that felt good.
613
00:30:47,180 --> 00:30:49,265
These women come armed
614
00:30:49,307 --> 00:30:52,060
with a subversive message
about female power.
615
00:30:52,101 --> 00:30:55,271
"Lords of Salem," I feel,
is Rob Zombie's best film.
616
00:30:55,313 --> 00:30:58,149
It's a really good story.
It's a nightmarish story.
617
00:30:58,191 --> 00:31:01,152
Sheri Moon Zombie
plays Heidi Hawthorne,
618
00:31:01,194 --> 00:31:03,987
a radio DJ
in Salem, Massachusetts.
619
00:31:03,988 --> 00:31:06,074
I have no info
on where this came from.
620
00:31:06,115 --> 00:31:08,576
All I know is the group
is called The Lords.
621
00:31:08,618 --> 00:31:11,954
She's tricked into
playing a mysterious record
622
00:31:11,996 --> 00:31:14,415
that awakens
the latent witchiness
623
00:31:14,457 --> 00:31:16,542
in the women of Salem.
624
00:31:16,584 --> 00:31:18,669
Heidi's descent into darkness
625
00:31:18,711 --> 00:31:20,588
is sped along by the coven
626
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:22,799
that lives
in her apartment building.
627
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,968
I came up with this coven
of witches in Salem...
628
00:31:28,054 --> 00:31:30,348
That were destroyed
629
00:31:30,390 --> 00:31:33,101
by Jonathan Hawthorne,
630
00:31:33,142 --> 00:31:34,644
and then we jump to modern day
631
00:31:34,685 --> 00:31:37,313
where this modern day
coven of witches
632
00:31:37,355 --> 00:31:39,315
choose Heidi Hawthorne,
633
00:31:39,357 --> 00:31:40,793
who's a descendent
of Jonathan Hawthorne
634
00:31:40,817 --> 00:31:42,497
to be the... the vessel by which,
you know,
635
00:31:43,111 --> 00:31:45,321
the Antichrist comes back,
and the witches return.
636
00:31:47,281 --> 00:31:49,158
Unlike most witch movies,
637
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,536
"The Lords of Salem" is
actually on the side
638
00:31:51,577 --> 00:31:55,164
of the murderous witches and
their satanic agenda of evil.
639
00:31:57,041 --> 00:31:59,061
The witches are the heroes
in this one again, as usual.
640
00:31:59,085 --> 00:32:00,670
That's why I created
641
00:32:00,711 --> 00:32:03,047
the character of
the... Torsten played
642
00:32:03,089 --> 00:32:04,549
of the German
black metal guy
643
00:32:04,590 --> 00:32:06,008
ranting against Christianity
644
00:32:06,050 --> 00:32:07,552
just to get a little more
in there.
645
00:32:07,593 --> 00:32:10,263
Just to complain about it all.
646
00:32:10,304 --> 00:32:13,599
Our philosophy
is to expose the lies
647
00:32:13,641 --> 00:32:16,018
of the Christian whores
and Jesus,
648
00:32:16,060 --> 00:32:17,603
the true bringer of death.
649
00:32:19,981 --> 00:32:23,443
The men in the film
are secondary characters,
650
00:32:23,484 --> 00:32:25,528
oblivious to the deadly
651
00:32:25,570 --> 00:32:27,572
and very female energy
building up in Salem.
652
00:32:30,450 --> 00:32:33,744
I wanted the whole movie
to feel like it was a dream.
653
00:32:33,786 --> 00:32:36,747
Is this really happening, does
she think this is happening,
654
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:38,666
is this just a drug dream,
or is she crazy?
655
00:32:45,715 --> 00:32:48,217
The film culminates
with a hellish ceremony
656
00:32:48,259 --> 00:32:50,636
as the witches summon
the return of the Antichrist
657
00:32:50,678 --> 00:32:52,263
through Heidi.
658
00:32:53,639 --> 00:32:55,433
I like the ending a lot,
659
00:32:55,475 --> 00:32:56,743
because I've always been a
big fan of Ken Russell movies,
660
00:32:56,767 --> 00:32:58,269
and I like crazy.
661
00:33:00,146 --> 00:33:02,732
'Cause I thought, like, well,
if... if you have someone
662
00:33:02,773 --> 00:33:05,568
who their entire soul
is being stripped away
663
00:33:05,610 --> 00:33:07,695
because they're being dragged
to hell by witches
664
00:33:07,737 --> 00:33:09,572
and forced to give birth
to Satan...
665
00:33:11,032 --> 00:33:13,201
What is that gonna look like?
666
00:33:13,242 --> 00:33:16,245
In the burning rivers
of the dead.
667
00:33:18,122 --> 00:33:21,542
Ultimately, we see this as
a kind of act of revenge
668
00:33:21,584 --> 00:33:24,295
against
this patriarchal culture
669
00:33:24,337 --> 00:33:26,756
that found women's power
threatening.
670
00:33:28,674 --> 00:33:30,426
And so it was this
671
00:33:30,468 --> 00:33:32,303
generations-long act
of revenge
672
00:33:32,345 --> 00:33:34,555
and sort of asserting
this power
673
00:33:34,597 --> 00:33:37,391
as something that can't
be contained so easily.
674
00:33:41,771 --> 00:33:44,649
If Rob Zombie's
"The Lords of Salem"
675
00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:46,317
is a black metal dirge...
676
00:33:49,153 --> 00:33:51,155
Dario Argento's "Suspiria"
677
00:33:51,197 --> 00:33:53,491
is the witch movie
as high opera.
678
00:33:55,910 --> 00:33:57,912
Filled with drama,
679
00:33:57,954 --> 00:34:01,707
music, color,
and unforgettable violence.
680
00:34:10,383 --> 00:34:13,344
In 1977's
"Suspiria"...
681
00:34:15,596 --> 00:34:18,140
Writer/director Dario Argento
combined witchcraft
682
00:34:18,182 --> 00:34:20,685
with a violent murder mystery.
683
00:34:20,726 --> 00:34:22,603
Aah!
684
00:34:22,645 --> 00:34:23,789
To create
a dreamlike masterpiece
685
00:34:23,813 --> 00:34:25,856
of horror.
686
00:34:28,234 --> 00:34:30,695
To this day, thers
nothing else quite like it.
687
00:34:35,533 --> 00:34:37,868
"Suspiria" just
feels weird at all times.
688
00:34:39,912 --> 00:34:42,081
As soon as she walks
out of the airport,
689
00:34:42,123 --> 00:34:44,208
the music's going, the winds
blowing way too hard,
690
00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:45,793
and everything's,
like, psychedelic,
691
00:34:45,835 --> 00:34:47,646
you're like, "The
is this crazy movie?"
692
00:34:47,670 --> 00:34:49,297
It's just so awesome.
693
00:34:49,338 --> 00:34:51,549
You wouldn't understand.
694
00:34:51,591 --> 00:34:54,427
It all seemed so absurd.
695
00:34:57,221 --> 00:34:59,557
Suzy Bannion,
played by Jessica Harper,
696
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:04,228
has come to Germany to attend
a prestigious dance academy.
697
00:35:04,270 --> 00:35:07,315
She enters a world
of supernatural terror.
698
00:35:10,484 --> 00:35:11,902
And over the top violence.
699
00:35:13,904 --> 00:35:15,823
The first, like,
ten minutes of "Suspiria"
700
00:35:15,865 --> 00:35:18,576
is really unsettling,
701
00:35:18,618 --> 00:35:22,288
and you don't really know the
logic of the universe we're in.
702
00:35:22,330 --> 00:35:26,584
The sets are kinda, like,
fantastical and amazing.
703
00:35:28,502 --> 00:35:30,504
Incredible eye candy,
incredible music.
704
00:35:31,922 --> 00:35:33,215
And also the shocks are...
705
00:35:33,257 --> 00:35:35,760
it's so extravagant and gory
706
00:35:35,801 --> 00:35:37,428
and unsettling.
707
00:35:49,315 --> 00:35:51,317
After traumatizing
the audience
708
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:53,444
with a brutal double murder,
709
00:35:53,486 --> 00:35:56,489
Argento follows Suzy
into the academy.
710
00:35:56,530 --> 00:35:58,949
Suzy Bannion,
our new student.
711
00:35:58,991 --> 00:36:01,243
Oh, yes.
712
00:36:01,285 --> 00:36:03,663
Suzy becomes e
target of the sinister witches
713
00:36:03,704 --> 00:36:04,955
who run the school.
714
00:36:13,422 --> 00:36:15,383
Witch!
715
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:23,307
One of the really notable
elements of "Suspiria"
716
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:26,811
that is more contemporary than
at the time the movie was made
717
00:36:26,852 --> 00:36:29,814
is that it is female-centric.
718
00:36:29,855 --> 00:36:33,609
The protagonists and the
antagonists are all female.
719
00:36:33,651 --> 00:36:38,280
There isn't a patriarchal
oppressor in "Suspiria."
720
00:36:38,322 --> 00:36:40,282
Who's there?
721
00:36:40,324 --> 00:36:41,635
The power of this movie
is matriarchy,
722
00:36:41,659 --> 00:36:44,662
and the hero's journey of it
723
00:36:44,704 --> 00:36:47,331
will have nothing to do
with a woman
724
00:36:47,373 --> 00:36:50,835
standing in the face
of a man trying to oppress her
725
00:36:50,876 --> 00:36:52,461
or hurt her
726
00:36:52,503 --> 00:36:54,505
because we actually don't even
have to consider
727
00:36:54,547 --> 00:36:56,716
the rules and world
of men at all.
728
00:36:56,757 --> 00:36:58,843
Witch!
729
00:36:58,884 --> 00:37:00,970
They're outside
of all of our concerns here.
730
00:37:03,472 --> 00:37:05,808
Witch!
731
00:37:05,850 --> 00:37:08,561
In "Suspiria," plot
takes a back seat to style.
732
00:37:13,107 --> 00:37:15,443
The film is like
a surreal nightmare
733
00:37:15,484 --> 00:37:17,820
filled with gorgeously
photographed murders
734
00:37:17,862 --> 00:37:21,407
set to a heart-pounding
and groundbreaking soundtrack
735
00:37:21,449 --> 00:37:23,784
by the band Goblin.
736
00:37:30,499 --> 00:37:33,669
In terms upsetting some of
the conventions
737
00:37:33,711 --> 00:37:35,171
of film scoring,
738
00:37:35,212 --> 00:37:37,631
I think "Suspiria's"
a really good example...
739
00:37:39,091 --> 00:37:40,885
Because a lot of the time,
740
00:37:40,926 --> 00:37:42,803
the music really
takes a central,
741
00:37:42,845 --> 00:37:44,638
kind of forefront position.
742
00:37:49,435 --> 00:37:53,397
And I think a lot of the
negative response to that film
743
00:37:53,439 --> 00:37:56,066
is his aestheticization
744
00:37:56,108 --> 00:37:59,069
of these really horrific
acts of violence.
745
00:38:10,414 --> 00:38:11,767
What Dario Argento
was really doing,
746
00:38:11,791 --> 00:38:13,459
he was making
an adult fairy tale.
747
00:38:15,461 --> 00:38:18,088
It's amazing to see that
his inspiration for it
748
00:38:18,130 --> 00:38:20,049
was "Snow White
and the Seven Dwarves."
749
00:38:22,802 --> 00:38:25,930
He wanted the color scheme
of a Disney film,
750
00:38:25,971 --> 00:38:28,057
and he... he got it.
751
00:38:28,098 --> 00:38:30,059
It's another externalization
752
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:32,436
of the fears and the anxieties
753
00:38:32,478 --> 00:38:34,772
that the main character
is going through.
754
00:38:36,565 --> 00:38:38,418
It really was supposed to be,
like, a fairy tale,
755
00:38:38,442 --> 00:38:41,529
and originally he wanted young
children to be in the film.
756
00:38:41,570 --> 00:38:44,657
He's got the door handles
really igh on the doors
757
00:38:44,698 --> 00:38:46,700
because he wanted to create
certain things
758
00:38:46,742 --> 00:38:49,620
that it seemed as though thy
were little girls in some way.
759
00:38:50,996 --> 00:38:52,915
Eventually,
760
00:38:52,957 --> 00:38:56,085
Suzy uncovers the dark secrets
of the academy.
761
00:38:58,671 --> 00:39:00,506
And she fights for her life
762
00:39:00,548 --> 00:39:02,132
against the coven's
invisible queen
763
00:39:02,174 --> 00:39:04,426
and her zombie slave.
764
00:39:11,475 --> 00:39:13,143
Like a fairy tale,
765
00:39:13,185 --> 00:39:15,604
good ultimately triumphs
over evil.
766
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,613
That movie was taking
the modern slasher genre
767
00:39:24,655 --> 00:39:26,991
and turning it into high art,
768
00:39:27,032 --> 00:39:29,118
and I feel like
the horror genre
769
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:32,121
is just now really beginning
to catch up
770
00:39:32,162 --> 00:39:33,539
with the simple idea
771
00:39:33,581 --> 00:39:36,500
of high aspirational art
772
00:39:36,542 --> 00:39:38,210
in American horror cinema.
773
00:39:43,549 --> 00:39:47,011
Luca Guadagnino's recent
update of "Suspiria"
774
00:39:47,052 --> 00:39:51,015
swaps Argento's bright colors
for muted earth tones,
775
00:39:51,056 --> 00:39:52,892
and a serpentine plot.
776
00:39:54,518 --> 00:39:56,854
I like the original
"Suspiria,"
777
00:39:56,896 --> 00:39:58,480
just 'cause it's gorgeous,
778
00:39:58,522 --> 00:40:00,232
but I will say in the remake,
779
00:40:00,274 --> 00:40:01,918
I felt like they made much
better use of the dancing.
780
00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:14,747
Rather than pitting
Suzy against the witches,
781
00:40:14,788 --> 00:40:17,750
Guadagnino puts her
in the middle of a battle
782
00:40:17,791 --> 00:40:20,044
in between Madame Blanc
and Helena Markos,
783
00:40:20,085 --> 00:40:24,173
good and evil witches
vying to run the academy.
784
00:40:28,677 --> 00:40:30,512
I liked that struggle
for power
785
00:40:30,554 --> 00:40:32,890
between these
two feminine forces.
786
00:40:32,932 --> 00:40:35,935
You have essentially, like,
an election drama
787
00:40:35,976 --> 00:40:38,604
between Markos and Blanc
788
00:40:38,646 --> 00:40:41,774
that culminates
in a black Sabbath scene
789
00:40:41,815 --> 00:40:43,609
that's like,
"Yeah, give me election drama
790
00:40:43,651 --> 00:40:46,070
"with people's heads literally
exploding off their bodies
791
00:40:46,111 --> 00:40:48,781
in a chamber covered
in women's hair."
792
00:40:51,784 --> 00:40:53,911
I'll watch that seven
out of seven days a week.
793
00:40:57,831 --> 00:41:00,250
It's not common
in other genres
794
00:41:00,292 --> 00:41:03,963
to see women as
powerful and dangerous.
795
00:41:04,004 --> 00:41:05,130
Find him.
796
00:41:07,424 --> 00:41:10,552
And to watch them take back
that power and use it
797
00:41:10,594 --> 00:41:12,179
to break free
798
00:41:12,221 --> 00:41:14,765
is really exciting.
799
00:41:14,807 --> 00:41:16,266
Young
800
00:41:16,308 --> 00:41:17,935
or old,
801
00:41:17,977 --> 00:41:20,562
cruel or kind,
802
00:41:20,604 --> 00:41:24,692
witches embody the magic
and mystery of femininity.
803
00:41:26,276 --> 00:41:27,820
They command our respect.
804
00:41:27,861 --> 00:41:29,238
Oh, God!
805
00:41:29,279 --> 00:41:31,407
And remind us
806
00:41:31,448 --> 00:41:33,368
that the people who brought us
into this world...
807
00:41:34,368 --> 00:41:36,120
Can also take us out of it.
808
00:41:36,161 --> 00:41:37,913
You're doomed forever!
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