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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,500 --> 00:00:11,980 A major breakthrough in the longest running and most expensive murder 2 00:00:11,980 --> 00:00:17,160 investigation in Australia's history. It all started decades ago. Young innocent 3 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,980 women taken away from their families. A case that has gripped the state for a 4 00:00:20,980 --> 00:00:21,980 quarter of a century. 5 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:27,080 He's a killer, a sadistic rapist who preyed on innocent women. He devastated 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:32,280 families. and tormented the Western Australian community. He showed no 7 00:00:32,420 --> 00:00:36,520 occasionally twitching his fingers. Today marks the end of a dark chapter in 8 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,140 Perth's history, but many questions remain unanswered. 9 00:00:41,060 --> 00:00:47,200 How can he go 30 -odd years under the radar committing the most 10 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:54,120 heinous crimes that this country's ever seen and never get caught? 11 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,600 Everybody knew right from the very start this was something completely 12 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,860 different. The 17 -year -old was hooded, bound and gagged. Driving her to 13 00:01:01,860 --> 00:01:05,440 Karakata Cemetery, where she was raped twice before she was dumped in bushes. 14 00:01:06,060 --> 00:01:10,700 These doors were plucked from the quietest, most trusting area in 15 00:01:10,940 --> 00:01:13,920 With your billionaires living just a couple of streets away. 16 00:01:14,260 --> 00:01:18,280 We had no idea what was going on. 17 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,300 The family case was the most... 18 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,500 Time -consuming, resource -hungry, frustrating investigation. 19 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:28,180 The answer is out there. 20 00:01:28,500 --> 00:01:31,440 Someone who is listening has the answer. 21 00:01:31,780 --> 00:01:35,620 We knew the girls were probably murdered. We hadn't found their bodies. 22 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:40,160 We still believe there is room for us to make some further investigation. 23 00:01:40,700 --> 00:01:45,100 There had to be a new way of looking at this. So I thought, how do they manage 24 00:01:45,100 --> 00:01:46,100 cases like this? 25 00:01:46,570 --> 00:01:50,650 The Yorkshire Ripper, a gruesome game of hide -and -seek with the police that 26 00:01:50,650 --> 00:01:52,730 lasted for six terrifying years. 27 00:01:53,110 --> 00:01:58,750 The UK was seen as a world leader in DNA analysis and we sent samples there. 28 00:01:59,330 --> 00:02:03,550 Reports of a possible breakthrough have raised hope the Claremont case will be 29 00:02:03,550 --> 00:02:07,570 solved. It was insignificant at the time. Of course, in hindsight now, it 30 00:02:07,570 --> 00:02:13,550 crucial. I remember looking at his picture and thinking, oh my God, that is 31 00:02:13,770 --> 00:02:14,990 Never thought it'd be solved. 32 00:02:15,580 --> 00:02:18,680 Never ever thought it would come about the way it did. 33 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,640 Perth in the 1990s was pleasant. 34 00:02:37,100 --> 00:02:43,500 It had a very low major crime rate. It was a beachy lifestyle. 35 00:02:46,340 --> 00:02:52,100 Claremont was an emerging town and it rapidly became a very, very popular 36 00:02:52,100 --> 00:02:57,720 entertainment area, starting off with the Claremont Hotel and then around the 37 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,060 corner, Club Bay View, which really did become the sort of throbbing heart of 38 00:03:02,060 --> 00:03:04,440 young people's lives in Claremont. 39 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:10,700 It's a place that we've always felt very comfortable with because it's a very, 40 00:03:10,740 --> 00:03:13,180 very trusting, conservative area. 41 00:03:16,380 --> 00:03:19,580 Everybody knew everybody and you felt safe there. 42 00:03:23,700 --> 00:03:28,700 I'm sure at the time it would have been just unfathomable that something like 43 00:03:28,700 --> 00:03:31,720 this could happen there. It's the last place you'd expect. 44 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:42,640 For most, Australia Day revolves around food and family, be it an Aussie 45 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,220 breakfast, brunch at a cafe, or lunch at Kings Park. 46 00:03:46,620 --> 00:03:49,380 But the day's biggest catch was off Rottnest. 47 00:03:49,820 --> 00:03:53,840 A giant marlin making a memorable Australia Day 1996. 48 00:04:04,380 --> 00:04:05,920 A lot of people were on holidays. 49 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:07,420 The weather was hot. 50 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:12,560 And we're just past the Christmas silly season where any story is a story for 51 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:13,560 the news, you know. 52 00:04:13,710 --> 00:04:17,170 And there was a tiny little piece in the West Australian about a missing person. 53 00:04:17,490 --> 00:04:19,610 Just one paragraph, basically. 54 00:04:20,050 --> 00:04:23,730 And I cut that out, thinking that's going to become a big file. I just had a 55 00:04:23,730 --> 00:04:24,730 feeling about it. 56 00:04:25,810 --> 00:04:29,490 Everything told you that there was something not right about this missing 57 00:04:32,210 --> 00:04:37,070 18 -year -old Sarah Spears told friends in Claremont's Club Bay View last Friday 58 00:04:37,070 --> 00:04:39,590 she was going outside to catch a cab. 59 00:04:41,130 --> 00:04:42,130 She came up. 60 00:04:50,510 --> 00:04:52,730 She hasn't been seen since. 61 00:04:57,750 --> 00:05:02,050 As media, right from the very start, we knew that there was something very 62 00:05:02,050 --> 00:05:03,050 sinister about this. 63 00:05:03,330 --> 00:05:08,250 Here she is, disappearing from one of the safest neighbourhoods in Australia. 64 00:05:08,510 --> 00:05:11,230 It was not a missing girls story. 65 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,360 The only thing that we could think of, any reason at all, is why she would 66 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:18,360 disappear. 67 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,360 I'd just like her to come home. 68 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,620 I don't think she would do that anyway. I can't see any reason why she wouldn't 69 00:05:27,620 --> 00:05:29,560 be with us if she could be with us. 70 00:05:30,300 --> 00:05:33,140 There must be something in it. 71 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,360 It is a nightmare, definitely. 72 00:05:36,780 --> 00:05:39,920 I just hope that anyone out there that can help will step forward. 73 00:05:40,990 --> 00:05:42,250 Show a little bit of compassion. 74 00:05:42,570 --> 00:05:48,230 I would just like to appeal to anyone that may have cited Sarah to come 75 00:05:48,230 --> 00:05:49,770 and help us. 76 00:05:50,630 --> 00:05:55,050 As reporters, we didn't have any problems with the Spears family because 77 00:05:55,050 --> 00:05:59,010 were wanting the publicity, because they knew something bad had happened. 78 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,680 Friends have rallied around the spheres and are helping police search for their 79 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:08,300 mate. Already 8 ,000 posters have been distributed, thousands more are being 80 00:06:08,300 --> 00:06:11,120 printed, a statewide campaign also underway. 81 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,380 For those that don't know, it's Acting Detective Superintendent Paul Ferguson 82 00:06:19,380 --> 00:06:20,299 for you. 83 00:06:20,300 --> 00:06:22,920 I was the officer in charge of the investigation. 84 00:06:23,740 --> 00:06:26,340 Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for coming in. 85 00:06:26,700 --> 00:06:29,060 I have a small release I'll read to begin with. 86 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:37,180 This is an appeal to the mothers and fathers of the young people that might 87 00:06:37,180 --> 00:06:38,600 been in the area at the time. 88 00:06:39,620 --> 00:06:45,500 Claremont was a popular spot with young people. It was an affluent area, so the 89 00:06:45,500 --> 00:06:51,060 disappearance of Sarah caused a lot of concern in the area. So the pressure on 90 00:06:51,060 --> 00:06:54,880 the inquiry team was quite high at that particular time. 91 00:06:56,170 --> 00:06:59,970 Now nine days since Sarah Spears disappeared after leaving Club Bayview 92 00:06:59,970 --> 00:07:02,390 Claremont, but there are still no strong leads. 93 00:07:03,410 --> 00:07:08,130 She was a country girl. Her and her sister lived in a house in Perth here, 94 00:07:08,130 --> 00:07:12,430 if they went out, the sister either went with her, drove her to the location, 95 00:07:12,670 --> 00:07:16,270 and then came and picked her up afterwards, or she got a taxi. 96 00:07:16,650 --> 00:07:20,510 I must admit that as the hours go by, I get more and more concerned. 97 00:07:20,750 --> 00:07:24,450 As the days progressed, the indicators were that she was... 98 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,160 more than probably the victim of a crime. 99 00:07:27,620 --> 00:07:30,380 That's why the homicide squad took the investigation on. 100 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,300 No, I have to tell you, I haven't been in Baby Territory for about 20 years. 101 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,400 It just brings back all the trauma. 102 00:07:46,940 --> 00:07:51,120 I never expected to become the Mayor of Claremont. The other chap that stood had 103 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:52,540 been there 30 years on the council. 104 00:07:53,100 --> 00:07:57,940 I won by five votes, so here I was thrust into this situation. 105 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:06,940 Club Bay View, they call it, I think, Club Bay View, somewhere along here. Oh, 106 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:07,960 there it is. 107 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:18,540 I got the impression that everybody was enjoying the nightlife and everybody was 108 00:08:18,540 --> 00:08:20,800 happy and there were no problems. 109 00:08:21,630 --> 00:08:22,770 Until Sarah disappeared. 110 00:08:27,910 --> 00:08:31,470 Sarah's evening that night was to go out with some friends. 111 00:08:32,789 --> 00:08:38,789 And whatever time it was, she said that she wanted to go home. So Sarah walked 112 00:08:38,789 --> 00:08:42,130 about 100 metres down to the corner of Sealing Highway. 113 00:08:46,690 --> 00:08:48,370 There's a phone box on the corner. 114 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,560 She rang a taxi. 115 00:08:58,780 --> 00:09:02,980 And it took the taxi driver just minutes to get to the phone box. 116 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:13,720 So within minutes of making the phone call, she was not there. 117 00:09:16,780 --> 00:09:20,200 It left us with a quandary as to what happened. 118 00:09:20,780 --> 00:09:25,340 And if she was abducted, why wasn't there a scream or that sort of thing? 119 00:09:27,260 --> 00:09:32,100 We are not aware as to how she left that area, whether she walked away, whether 120 00:09:32,100 --> 00:09:35,240 she was left in a car or a cab. 121 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:43,220 Police want all cab drivers to volunteer saliva samples and eliminate themselves 122 00:09:43,220 --> 00:09:44,220 from the inquiry. 123 00:09:44,700 --> 00:09:46,920 Those that don't will be tracked down. 124 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,280 Everybody honed in on it. Was it a rogue taxi driver? The best way to do that, 125 00:09:51,300 --> 00:09:53,140 the police said, well, let's DNA test them all. 126 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,400 It was, I think, the first mass DNA testing in Australia. 127 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,540 Each of the saliva samples will be processed by the health department's 128 00:10:02,540 --> 00:10:07,580 laboratories, but completing the DNA profiles will take several months and 129 00:10:07,580 --> 00:10:09,940 cost police hundreds of thousands of dollars. 130 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:15,400 You've got to remember, in 1996, when Sarah went missing... 131 00:10:15,870 --> 00:10:17,590 It was another era. 132 00:10:22,270 --> 00:10:24,830 DNA was in its infancy. 133 00:10:25,710 --> 00:10:31,370 It took four days to get one result back on a DNA swab. 134 00:10:33,450 --> 00:10:39,990 We swabbed all taxi drivers, bus drivers, police officers, ambulance 135 00:10:40,210 --> 00:10:42,490 anyone that was in a position of authority. 136 00:10:43,290 --> 00:10:48,630 that could coax her into the car without a commotion, we swabbed them for DNA. 137 00:10:49,850 --> 00:10:53,410 So we found Sarah's body, then we could link it up. 138 00:10:55,750 --> 00:10:59,250 I got a call from my news editor, said, you'll never guess what's happened. 139 00:10:59,350 --> 00:11:01,710 Another girl's gone missing. They look very similar. 140 00:11:02,850 --> 00:11:05,690 Blonde, bubbly, roughly the same age. 141 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,600 First, the disappearance of another young Perth woman on Saturday night, 142 00:11:13,780 --> 00:11:16,960 alarmingly the second to vanish from Claremont in five months. 143 00:11:17,220 --> 00:11:22,040 23 -year -old childcare worker Jane Louise Rimmer was last seen by friends 144 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:26,840 outside Claremont's Continental Hotel, just a block away from the telephone box 145 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,220 where Sarah Spears disappeared in January. 146 00:11:30,780 --> 00:11:36,160 When Jane went, that brought it to another level. Two similar girls from 147 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:37,160 same area. 148 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:42,640 The pattern was too strikingly the same that you knew that something really bad 149 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:43,640 was going on here. 150 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:48,060 Jane Louise Rimmer spent most of Saturday night drinking with friends at 151 00:11:48,060 --> 00:11:52,420 Continental Hotel in Claremont. Police say she declined her friend's offer to 152 00:11:52,420 --> 00:11:55,160 share a taxi home when the pub closed at midnight. 153 00:11:55,800 --> 00:12:00,260 When she failed to turn up for a family lunch on Sunday, her parents knew 154 00:12:00,260 --> 00:12:01,260 something was wrong. 155 00:12:05,140 --> 00:12:10,120 If she'd made an appointment, she'd always be there type of thing. So that's 156 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:14,380 we're very anxious when she hadn't turned up by Sunday evening. 157 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:19,400 She loves children. 158 00:12:19,660 --> 00:12:22,800 She loves working with children. She was quite happy with that lot. 159 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,060 I guess until she met Mr Wright and had a family of her own. 160 00:12:29,460 --> 00:12:32,480 This brave family now calling on the people of Perth. 161 00:12:32,730 --> 00:12:34,650 to help them in their hour of need. 162 00:12:36,810 --> 00:12:43,490 We all went to Jane Remmer's family home and that was a harrowing interview to 163 00:12:43,490 --> 00:12:44,490 have to do. 164 00:12:45,070 --> 00:12:48,930 It's very hard to listen to. It's very hard to even ask questions sometimes 165 00:12:48,930 --> 00:12:51,690 because you can feel what they're feeling. 166 00:12:52,050 --> 00:12:53,550 Jane, please come home. 167 00:12:55,750 --> 00:12:58,370 Please come home, Jane. We love you very much. 168 00:13:04,110 --> 00:13:08,890 When Jane Rimmer went missing, it was devastating for the investigative team. 169 00:13:09,010 --> 00:13:15,010 The day after her disappearance, the investigation was raised to a task 170 00:13:15,010 --> 00:13:16,010 macro task force. 171 00:13:19,340 --> 00:13:23,440 The case now upgraded to a major murder investigation and linked to the baffling 172 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:28,400 disappearance of teenager Sarah Spears five months ago. The Operation Macro 173 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,140 Force now concentrating on the remarkable similarities between the 174 00:13:32,140 --> 00:13:34,140 disappearance and that of Sarah Spears. 175 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,320 Both women were of similar appearance, had been drinking at the same hotel 176 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,360 earlier in the day and vanished from the same area. 177 00:13:43,340 --> 00:13:46,500 With Sarah's disappearance, there was minimal... 178 00:13:46,890 --> 00:13:51,530 electronic surveillance around to be able to support what took place. 179 00:13:52,550 --> 00:13:59,390 When Jane went missing, there was cameras out in the footpath, so at least 180 00:13:59,390 --> 00:14:00,390 we had footage. 181 00:14:04,250 --> 00:14:08,290 The footage was black and white, grainy. It was pretty poor. 182 00:14:12,590 --> 00:14:16,390 But it did capture her interacting with a broad -shouldered man. 183 00:14:19,210 --> 00:14:21,150 Clearly she was sharing a joke with him. 184 00:14:26,910 --> 00:14:31,450 The security camera that captured Jane was on a circuit, so it only went round 185 00:14:31,450 --> 00:14:33,010 once every minute or so. 186 00:14:35,790 --> 00:14:38,030 So while it got her at one stage... 187 00:14:39,980 --> 00:14:44,020 The next time I did a roundabout one, she'd gone. 188 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:56,020 In Claremont, you expected to know everyone around you. If you had a circle 189 00:14:56,020 --> 00:14:59,680 friends, I'd know your circle of friends. I'd know the people that you 190 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:00,840 socialised with. 191 00:15:05,310 --> 00:15:08,670 Hundreds and hundreds of people had been in Claremont that night were contacted 192 00:15:08,670 --> 00:15:10,890 by police and shown the footage. 193 00:15:14,390 --> 00:15:17,030 But no one can identify this guy. 194 00:15:31,660 --> 00:15:35,920 It's now nine days since 23 -year -old childcare worker Jane Rimmer disappeared 195 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,680 after a night out with friends at Claremont. 196 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,700 A quarter of a million posters asking one simple question. 197 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,940 Have you seen Jane Rimmer? Are tonight being distributed all over Australia. 198 00:15:47,220 --> 00:15:51,900 Printing companies, transport firms and distribution agencies donating all their 199 00:15:51,900 --> 00:15:56,440 resources to help find the missing woman. Her family is overwhelmed by the 200 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:57,840 massive show of public support. 201 00:15:58,280 --> 00:15:59,900 Literally hundreds of people offering. 202 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:05,580 Helped from cooking us meals to handing out the pamphlets. 203 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:12,380 It was a frustrating investigation because we knew the girls were being 204 00:16:12,380 --> 00:16:16,920 abducted. We knew that they were probably murdered. We hadn't found their 205 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:22,620 bodies. So we were just working on an area that was frequented by a lot of 206 00:16:22,620 --> 00:16:27,900 people without any information as to how the girls... 207 00:16:28,170 --> 00:16:29,109 That's the area. 208 00:16:29,110 --> 00:16:33,490 What's gone on with the two women that have gone missing and all the coverage 209 00:16:33,490 --> 00:16:35,150 the news and what you hear? 210 00:16:35,690 --> 00:16:39,610 Yeah, it makes you pretty nervous, yeah, especially if you're on your own. 211 00:16:39,850 --> 00:16:44,490 Since the Operation Macro investigation got underway six weeks ago, police have 212 00:16:44,490 --> 00:16:49,930 received more than 3 ,600 calls from the public, 2 ,500 of those developed into 213 00:16:49,930 --> 00:16:50,889 strong leads. 214 00:16:50,890 --> 00:16:55,390 We're leaving no stone unturned in trying to get clues in this case. And 215 00:16:55,390 --> 00:16:56,390 are clues. 216 00:16:56,750 --> 00:17:01,650 The Operation Macro Task Force is wading through hundreds of possible leads, but 217 00:17:01,650 --> 00:17:05,369 they admit they still have no positive information about what happened to both 218 00:17:05,369 --> 00:17:09,630 missing women. The team led by Inspector Ferguson is now getting down to the 219 00:17:09,630 --> 00:17:12,650 grinding hard slog of a time -consuming investigation. 220 00:17:13,990 --> 00:17:19,390 Most inquiries you have something to work on, and that something stems from a 221 00:17:19,390 --> 00:17:20,389 crime scene. 222 00:17:20,390 --> 00:17:24,270 This one, as I said, there is no crime scene, and I will be honest, it is very, 223 00:17:24,349 --> 00:17:25,349 very frustrating work. 224 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,020 They had no witnesses. 225 00:17:29,220 --> 00:17:31,880 No one had seen it. They had no idea who'd done it. 226 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,720 And then they got a breakthrough. 227 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,060 Disturbing report sparking a big bush search in the Perth Hills. 228 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:51,360 Residents reported terrified screams for help on the morning Jane disappeared. 229 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:02,420 I remember I was pulled off another major storey and we were raced up to 230 00:18:02,420 --> 00:18:03,840 very, very remote area. 231 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:12,480 I went in my own car and I just remember damaging my car because it was so rough 232 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,320 and rural that it scraped the undercarriage. 233 00:18:16,900 --> 00:18:22,040 All the media descended on that area, 40 kilometres south of Perth. It's a 234 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,200 lonely little area and a lonely little dirt road going down to the spot. 235 00:18:28,110 --> 00:18:35,030 This was the first time that we had realised that, OK, you've got a killer 236 00:18:35,390 --> 00:18:36,430 Here's her body. 237 00:18:39,790 --> 00:18:44,890 Police say the body lay face down under a canopy of twigs and leaves, just 238 00:18:44,890 --> 00:18:47,450 metres from Woolcoot Road in Weller. 239 00:18:48,310 --> 00:18:51,010 The police were obviously there. They were pushing us back. 240 00:18:51,570 --> 00:18:54,690 They'd set up a bit of a block so we couldn't get close. 241 00:18:55,390 --> 00:18:56,390 Was it buried? 242 00:18:57,390 --> 00:18:58,790 No, the body had not been buried. 243 00:18:59,050 --> 00:19:01,170 There had been an attempt to conceal the body. 244 00:19:04,530 --> 00:19:09,330 The body being found was just extraordinary because this family were 245 00:19:09,330 --> 00:19:10,450 along a bush track. 246 00:19:10,930 --> 00:19:12,790 A chicken had run across the road. 247 00:19:13,210 --> 00:19:16,510 They'd stopped because the kids wanted to play with the chicken. The mother in 248 00:19:16,510 --> 00:19:20,470 the meantime goes into the bush, sees a lily, a beautiful big white lily, and 249 00:19:20,470 --> 00:19:23,490 then literally stumbles on Jane Rimmer's body. 250 00:19:27,660 --> 00:19:31,480 In the cold and dark, police commenced their first night watch over the murder 251 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,000 scene, making sure it remained untouched. 252 00:19:37,300 --> 00:19:41,440 She had been there for a couple of months. It was winter, so her body was 253 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,080 actually very well preserved. 254 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:49,340 Lilies had grown up between her limbs and she was lying on her back. 255 00:19:49,820 --> 00:19:54,260 She had a severe wound to her throat. Her throat had been cut. 256 00:19:54,840 --> 00:20:01,300 and she had an injury to her right hand where she'd evidently tried to defend 257 00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:02,920 herself and been stabbed. 258 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:08,120 Detectives carefully removing her naked body from a waterlogged area of bush 259 00:20:08,120 --> 00:20:13,420 about 15 metres off the road. Coronial investigators taking the remains away 260 00:20:13,420 --> 00:20:14,420 an autopsy. 261 00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:18,800 I went and saw Jane's parents. 262 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:27,660 You know, you're looking someone in the eye and they're hurting. 263 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,000 I can't take that pain away. 264 00:20:32,700 --> 00:20:38,040 So, you know, you try and keep it as professional as possible, 265 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:44,220 but internally you're hurting almost as much as him because what you're asking 266 00:20:44,220 --> 00:20:45,760 him is make him hurt more. 267 00:20:46,740 --> 00:20:50,540 At least we know now and we can put... 268 00:20:52,030 --> 00:20:53,530 Jane's body to rest. 269 00:20:55,990 --> 00:21:02,610 Hopefully the higher place up there is a little bit more bubbly for 270 00:21:02,610 --> 00:21:03,610 her being there. 271 00:21:03,890 --> 00:21:09,230 From an investigative point of view, it gave the investigation team a sense of 272 00:21:09,230 --> 00:21:15,850 opportunity to be able to now find some evidence that would identify the 273 00:21:15,850 --> 00:21:20,790 offender. This has given us an insight into the person that we were looking 274 00:21:21,550 --> 00:21:26,670 has put us in a stronger position to progress with this investigation. 275 00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:36,390 The fear of a serial killer has put Claremont locals on alert, and last 276 00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:38,590 police began a huge security crackdown. 277 00:21:39,130 --> 00:21:43,410 Scores of officers were on the beat, on patrol, and recording the movements of 278 00:21:43,410 --> 00:21:44,550 young women in the area. 279 00:21:48,399 --> 00:21:52,180 Police fear they're hunting a serial killer and are taking no chances. 280 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:57,140 In central Claremont, 18 officers on patrol interviewing and recording every 281 00:21:57,140 --> 00:21:59,460 woman who went to the local Continental Hotel. 282 00:22:00,020 --> 00:22:03,460 It's really scary. It doesn't make you feel very safe here at all. I would come 283 00:22:03,460 --> 00:22:07,020 out here on my own, that's for sure. Everyone feels the same. They won't come 284 00:22:07,020 --> 00:22:08,460 into Claremont at all. Are you scared? 285 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:09,800 Definitely. 286 00:22:10,090 --> 00:22:14,570 The Continental says security is taken very seriously, with cameras installed 287 00:22:14,570 --> 00:22:18,070 the footpath outside the pub and in the car park behind the bottle shop. 288 00:22:18,350 --> 00:22:22,550 But Claremont Mayor Peter Waggers says the cameras are of uncertain value. 289 00:22:22,830 --> 00:22:24,690 The presence of the video camera hasn't stopped happening again. 290 00:22:24,890 --> 00:22:27,310 It might, in fact, given people a chance to pull things to security. 291 00:22:30,890 --> 00:22:35,850 I think health and safety is the number one issue for everyone worldwide. 292 00:22:36,670 --> 00:22:38,310 People want to feel safe and secure. 293 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,360 They want to feel protected, their liberty's protected, their rights to 294 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:43,360 that freedom. 295 00:22:45,380 --> 00:22:50,780 As you can appreciate, we've got a lot of information coming in and if we don't 296 00:22:50,780 --> 00:22:54,360 know who the offender is, as we don't at this stage, the next best thing is to 297 00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:55,880 exclude people that are nominated. 298 00:22:56,340 --> 00:23:01,060 The Macro Task Force had developed a thing called a location register, which 299 00:23:01,060 --> 00:23:04,100 like a great big street directory photograph of Claremont. 300 00:23:04,900 --> 00:23:06,400 And there were little dots everywhere. 301 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:11,740 Each dot representing a person interviewed, seven red dots representing 302 00:23:11,740 --> 00:23:12,800 still to be identified. 303 00:23:13,220 --> 00:23:17,760 So they end up identifying, I think, about 2 ,000 people in that little area. 304 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,080 And they came up with the idea that there'll be one grey dot that no one can 305 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,180 name, and that's the bloke we're after. That's our killer. 306 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,840 We will speak to a lot of people. 307 00:23:32,060 --> 00:23:34,440 We will execute a lot of search warrants. 308 00:23:38,060 --> 00:23:42,900 There were a lot of leads, but one name popped up as the prime suspect. 309 00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:47,200 Everyone knew him. He was a very, very well -known figure. 310 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:54,040 He had a lot of authority, and there are known serial killers in the world in 311 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,100 America who work in positions of authority. 312 00:23:59,100 --> 00:24:05,940 He got a lot of attention from everybody because he was the Tremont 313 00:24:05,940 --> 00:24:06,940 Mayor. 314 00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:16,020 Do you remember one moment when the media were under suspicion? 315 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:28,480 I can't recall one particular time or moment when 316 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:35,180 that happened. I feel it was a gradual thing that 317 00:24:35,180 --> 00:24:39,420 crept up as more and more of the media started... 318 00:24:40,060 --> 00:24:46,080 writing these articles full of innuendo and suspicion, particularly the West 319 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:52,840 articles. The West wrote up that I had refused to cooperate with the police. 320 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:59,800 It was so outlandishly unbelievable and stupid that I didn't think the public 321 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:05,040 would believe it. But if you tell a big enough lie, people will think it must be 322 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,260 true because it's so big a lie that it could not be true. I mean, who would 323 00:25:08,260 --> 00:25:08,829 that up? 324 00:25:08,830 --> 00:25:12,790 Interestingly, someone at the West Australian changed the headline between 325 00:25:12,790 --> 00:25:17,310 editions. They obviously realised that the first edition was incredibly 326 00:25:17,310 --> 00:25:21,510 to Peter Wagers, which it was, and changed it to something slightly less 327 00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:22,510 damaging. 328 00:25:23,310 --> 00:25:28,250 Many, many people in Perth believed he was the killer. He knew Claremont well. 329 00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:30,430 He had access to it. He lived in Claremont. 330 00:25:31,230 --> 00:25:35,770 That doesn't make anyone a killer, but people put two and two together and came 331 00:25:35,770 --> 00:25:36,770 up with three. 332 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,920 However, Peter Wager's name had gone onto the police file. 333 00:25:48,580 --> 00:25:54,120 It's now 222 days since Sarah Spears disappeared from Claremont. Jane Rimmer 334 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:57,860 disappeared from the same area 133 days later. 335 00:25:58,780 --> 00:26:03,580 If we do have a person out there that is working to a pattern, it's building up 336 00:26:03,580 --> 00:26:04,580 to that pattern. 337 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,560 As we head into warmer weather, the head of the Operation Macro Task Force 338 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,580 called on young women to take more care about their personal safety when going 339 00:26:13,580 --> 00:26:14,580 out at night. 340 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,340 The media are an essential part of this whole investigation. 341 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,320 Firstly, to keep raising the concerns for young girls. 342 00:26:24,820 --> 00:26:25,940 Don't hitchhike. 343 00:26:26,250 --> 00:26:30,350 Don't go out on your own. The Western Australian Police Service aren't trying 344 00:26:30,350 --> 00:26:33,410 advocate that everyone stay home or that they don't go out and have a good time, 345 00:26:33,490 --> 00:26:35,630 just that we get the safety message across. 346 00:26:35,870 --> 00:26:39,450 Yet, despite the warning, some young women were prepared to take the risk. 347 00:26:39,790 --> 00:26:43,750 I don't want the job of having to go and see their parents and tell the parents 348 00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:44,549 the bad news. 349 00:26:44,550 --> 00:26:47,650 They have a responsibility to themselves and their parents. 350 00:26:48,270 --> 00:26:51,610 You still see a lot of young ladies walking around here by themselves and 351 00:26:51,610 --> 00:26:54,870 into car parks and up alleyways by themselves too. When you've had a couple 352 00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:58,990 drinks and that, you don't think about safety. I just don't think it. 353 00:27:00,330 --> 00:27:05,810 There was always the fear there was going to be victim number three or 354 00:27:05,810 --> 00:27:06,810 number four. 355 00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:13,470 The Sympathetic Day Parade, a celebration of Ireland! 356 00:27:23,820 --> 00:27:25,160 It's happened again. 357 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,400 First it was Sarah Spears. 358 00:27:27,770 --> 00:27:32,910 Then Jane Rimmer, now 27 -year -old Keira Glennon, has gone missing. 359 00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:37,690 Of Irish ancestry, the young lawyer was last seen leaving the Continental Hotel 360 00:27:37,690 --> 00:27:40,250 in Claremont around midnight on Friday. 361 00:27:40,590 --> 00:27:45,650 The Claremont Strip, magnet for the young, a place for frivolity. But the 362 00:27:45,650 --> 00:27:48,550 of a third disappearance sweeps the precinct. 363 00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:52,130 This afternoon I was at that party at two o 'clock and someone was speaking to 364 00:27:52,130 --> 00:27:54,590 someone on mobile phone and said, my God, another girl's gone missing. And 365 00:27:54,590 --> 00:27:56,630 whole atmosphere of the room was like, oh my God. 366 00:27:57,070 --> 00:27:58,070 Pretty scary. 367 00:27:58,950 --> 00:28:03,030 Keira Elish Glennon was celebrating St Patrick's Day with friends at the 368 00:28:03,030 --> 00:28:04,110 Continental Hotel. 369 00:28:04,770 --> 00:28:08,710 She left alone just after midnight, telling friends she was heading straight 370 00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:09,710 home. 371 00:28:10,170 --> 00:28:11,990 Police presume by taxi. 372 00:28:12,910 --> 00:28:16,750 Well, the fear, of course, is that she's a 27 -year -old young lady, a career 373 00:28:16,750 --> 00:28:20,990 woman, a solicitor. She was well aware of personal safety issues, and it's 374 00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:24,070 totally out of character for her to not contact the family. 375 00:28:30,270 --> 00:28:37,070 When Kira went missing, that kicked me in the ass. We were 376 00:28:37,070 --> 00:28:42,730 hoping that even if we couldn't identify the offender, the amount of pressure, 377 00:28:43,050 --> 00:28:45,850 media pressure, the person would stop. 378 00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:48,610 But it didn't. 379 00:28:51,010 --> 00:28:55,110 Una, my wife, didn't want to come this morning. 380 00:28:56,150 --> 00:28:58,430 She is numb with shock. 381 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:08,420 And she has asked me to appeal to the mothers, the 382 00:29:08,420 --> 00:29:14,720 wives, the girlfriends, the ladies in the community, who may have a son, a 383 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,540 husband, a partner, that they notice is doing something different now or did on 384 00:29:19,540 --> 00:29:20,540 Saturday morning. 385 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,120 And Eunice says, please help her. We were just distraught. 386 00:29:25,820 --> 00:29:28,920 And, you know, we just need your help. 387 00:29:29,340 --> 00:29:30,340 And your peers? 388 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:37,420 Kira's case was very personal to me because she had gone through law school 389 00:29:37,420 --> 00:29:38,500 my oldest son. 390 00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:44,320 I knew her parents just vaguely from around the area, so it became even more 391 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,040 personal and more traumatic. 392 00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:54,980 We are a strong family, and I don't cry easily, but Kira's 393 00:29:54,980 --> 00:29:58,460 alive. We believe that, and we are confident. 394 00:29:59,070 --> 00:30:05,690 that the way she's been brought up, she will fight on, and we're hopeful 395 00:30:05,690 --> 00:30:08,610 that she will be found at this stage even. 396 00:30:08,830 --> 00:30:15,110 No parent who loves their child can even begin to comprehend the devastating 397 00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:19,090 thing that this is in any family. 398 00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:27,170 Cara Glennon was a young woman with a brilliant career ahead of her. She was 399 00:30:27,170 --> 00:30:28,170 from... 400 00:30:28,810 --> 00:30:35,490 Very good family, sophisticated, vivacious, with an enormous social 401 00:30:36,330 --> 00:30:41,450 Police are now wading through 11 ,500 pieces of information, including a 402 00:30:41,450 --> 00:30:45,130 of unconfirmed sightings of the missing lawyer on the corner of Stirling Highway 403 00:30:45,130 --> 00:30:49,490 and Bayview Terrace about 15 minutes after she left the Continental Hotel. 404 00:30:50,210 --> 00:30:55,070 We have an unconfirmed sighting of perhaps one of the women getting into a 405 00:30:55,070 --> 00:31:00,620 vehicle. The last people who saw her were the guys who were having a 406 00:31:00,620 --> 00:31:01,800 sitting on a bus stop. 407 00:31:02,140 --> 00:31:07,240 They actually saw her and shouted out to her, hey, you know, don't hitchhike. 408 00:31:07,380 --> 00:31:10,580 And she just sort of, yeah, yeah, type of thing and kept walking. 409 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:17,240 They saw a slow -moving car keeping pace with her and then pull up further down 410 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,240 the street. 411 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:26,000 And one of them saw Kira leaning into the passenger side window with her hands 412 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,260 on her knees, evidently talking to someone in the car. 413 00:31:31,060 --> 00:31:32,300 And then he looked away. 414 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,180 And when he looked back, both the car and Kira had gone. 415 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,500 Claremont is a suburb under siege, targeted by the biggest murder 416 00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:49,000 in the state's history. 417 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:55,120 The Operation Macro Task Force is working round the clock, now 418 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,140 more than 10 ,000 pieces of information. 419 00:31:57,380 --> 00:32:01,640 Police admit the success of the investigation into the disappearances of 420 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:06,000 Glennon and Sarah Spears and the murder of Jane Rimmer depends totally on 421 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,100 information from the public. 422 00:32:08,660 --> 00:32:13,560 You'd expect that somebody would see something and give you the lead that 423 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,140 drive the investigation in a particular direction. 424 00:32:17,220 --> 00:32:18,940 But that breakthrough, 425 00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:20,900 wasn't fair. 426 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:28,480 Ernie Glennon says her family and the police need just one vital lead. 427 00:32:32,660 --> 00:32:34,940 It's now 12 days since Keira disappeared. 428 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,740 I am now convinced that we will not be able to find Keira without help from 429 00:32:39,740 --> 00:32:40,740 somebody in the community. 430 00:32:42,620 --> 00:32:47,440 I appeal from the bottom of my heart to wives, girlfriends, partners, mothers, 431 00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:49,000 co -workers. 432 00:32:49,610 --> 00:32:51,150 who may notice something different. 433 00:32:52,390 --> 00:32:57,550 Some change in behavior or unusual activity in those around them that they 434 00:32:57,550 --> 00:33:00,150 may be linked to Keira's disappearance. 435 00:33:01,790 --> 00:33:06,510 Please tell the police, or if you're afraid for some reason to contact the 436 00:33:06,510 --> 00:33:08,610 police, telephone Dennis or myself. 437 00:33:10,130 --> 00:33:12,850 This is the third time this terrible thing has happened. 438 00:33:13,770 --> 00:33:18,240 If the person or persons responsible are not found by the police, It will 439 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,260 probably happen again. 440 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:26,500 I would not want any mother or any family to go through the pain and 441 00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:30,040 sheer heartbreak that Dennis, Denise and I are experiencing. 442 00:33:32,940 --> 00:33:37,040 It is as if a piece of us is dying every day. 443 00:33:38,620 --> 00:33:43,900 Please help us with any information and keep praying that we will find Kiel. 444 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:46,480 Lastly, 445 00:33:48,740 --> 00:33:54,680 Kira, if by any chance you're able to watch this, please hold on. 446 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,120 Be strong. 447 00:33:56,540 --> 00:33:57,540 Have faith. 448 00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,760 We will find you. 449 00:34:00,740 --> 00:34:01,740 Thank you. 450 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:27,420 The Yanchep National Park, 50 kilometres north of Perth, is now the focus of 451 00:34:27,420 --> 00:34:29,179 WA's biggest murder investigation. 452 00:34:29,699 --> 00:34:34,000 At first light, dozens of police moved into the thick acacia scrub beside Pippa 453 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,440 Dinny Road to begin a massive search of the area. Detectives rushed to bushland 454 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:43,020 north of Perth after a 23 -year -old man discovered a body late this morning. 455 00:34:43,260 --> 00:34:46,440 A massive police operation immediately swung into the area. 456 00:34:46,739 --> 00:34:50,280 Later this afternoon, police revealing the full extent of the tragedy. 457 00:34:50,810 --> 00:34:54,909 A preliminary investigation has been revealed the body to be that of a female 458 00:34:54,909 --> 00:34:57,190 and it appears to be that of Kira Glennon. 459 00:34:57,410 --> 00:35:01,850 The moment word of the body came through, police rushed to the Glennon 460 00:35:01,850 --> 00:35:07,610 home, dealt the hard task of delivering the news that a body had been found and 461 00:35:07,610 --> 00:35:08,970 most likely Kira. 462 00:35:09,570 --> 00:35:14,190 Family, friends and workmates are in disbelief, shocked and devastated. 463 00:35:15,230 --> 00:35:18,690 The body was discovered by, they said, a bushwalker. 464 00:35:19,390 --> 00:35:23,030 It was actually a boat they called a bush pirate. He knew someone had planted 465 00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:26,070 marijuana there and he was walking around looking for it. I just thought at 466 00:35:26,070 --> 00:35:28,790 time, no one would have found the body otherwise. 467 00:35:30,370 --> 00:35:33,430 Roads were closed off for five kilometres around the scene. 468 00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:36,090 Police and media helicopters hovered overhead. 469 00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:39,070 Forensic experts were brought in to examine the body. 470 00:35:39,290 --> 00:35:43,570 Keira Glennon's partly clothed body was found just here in a small clearing 471 00:35:43,570 --> 00:35:47,890 surrounded by acacia trees. The killer made no attempt to hide his victim. 472 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,240 She put up a hell of a fight. I mean, she's a diminutive girl, but she was 473 00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:58,800 feisty and she was determined and she fought back and 474 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,620 she was stabbed in the arm. 475 00:36:04,180 --> 00:36:09,000 At some point, her throat was cut horribly. 476 00:36:09,580 --> 00:36:13,220 Scientific experts have spent the day at the killer's dumping ground, sifting 477 00:36:13,220 --> 00:36:17,080 through sand looking for the smallest of clues. Even the most innocent looking 478 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,880 clue could lead police to the killer. A discarded soft drink can or even a 479 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,680 cigarette butt. Several neighbours also came forward, some with information. 480 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,080 One woman told officers she'd seen a man coming out of the bush acting 481 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,280 suspiciously on Tuesday. She will be interviewed later. 482 00:36:34,990 --> 00:36:38,910 Pippa Dinny Road is used extensively by local beachgoers and fishermen. 483 00:36:39,250 --> 00:36:43,310 Police are setting up what they call a location register in a bid to identify 484 00:36:43,310 --> 00:36:47,030 everyone who may have been using this road in the last three weeks. 485 00:36:47,350 --> 00:36:51,230 The reason we want to hear from those people is that they may have seen 486 00:36:51,230 --> 00:36:55,370 something that may mean absolutely nothing to them, but it could help us to 487 00:36:55,370 --> 00:36:56,370 in the jigsaw puzzle. 488 00:36:57,910 --> 00:37:01,990 After we shot all our vision, everything we knew, we all did our pieces to 489 00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:06,190 camera. All the media congregated at the Wanneroo corner of Pippadini Road. 490 00:37:06,810 --> 00:37:12,350 But as they drove out, I noticed that Paul Ferguson looked really distressed 491 00:37:12,350 --> 00:37:16,230 me. He had a distressed look on his face and he kept driving. 492 00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:25,150 The investigative team were, like me, shocked. 493 00:37:25,530 --> 00:37:30,510 I felt as though we'd let Keira Glennon down because we hadn't identified who 494 00:37:30,510 --> 00:37:31,510 the offender was. 495 00:37:37,930 --> 00:37:44,810 As much as you try and you do everything you can, we let her down. 496 00:37:46,170 --> 00:37:49,490 That's just a personal thing, you know, you've got to live with that. 497 00:37:57,630 --> 00:38:01,110 He's going to be sitting there thinking, you know, are these people looking at 498 00:38:01,110 --> 00:38:05,010 what are they thinking? As a result, he will perspire probably more than normal. 499 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,280 there will be some paranoia there. 500 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,780 The answer is out there. 501 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,060 Someone who is listening has the answer. 502 00:38:32,110 --> 00:38:35,770 Keira Glennon's funeral was like a state funeral. I've never seen anything like 503 00:38:35,770 --> 00:38:36,770 it. 504 00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:41,770 Among the 1 ,500 mourners, Premier Richard Court, cabinet ministers, senior 505 00:38:41,770 --> 00:38:46,070 police, the legal fraternity and members of Perth's Irish community. 506 00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:51,250 Outside broadcast units there filming both inside and outside. 507 00:38:51,790 --> 00:38:55,290 The whole choir, all her old school friends there. 508 00:38:59,130 --> 00:39:00,130 God. 509 00:39:00,490 --> 00:39:04,170 came into our garden and picked the most beautiful rose. 510 00:39:07,070 --> 00:39:12,750 There are no mortal answers for my family's question, why Kira? 511 00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:17,330 We all want to stop this killing of our children. 512 00:39:17,930 --> 00:39:24,170 It was one of the most emotional memorial speeches I've ever heard from 513 00:39:24,170 --> 00:39:25,170 Glennon. 514 00:39:32,210 --> 00:39:36,150 Translated from Gaelic, that means goodbye for now, my friend, and God 515 00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:37,150 you. 516 00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:38,510 Thank you. 517 00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:45,710 I mean, everybody was in tears. 518 00:39:46,350 --> 00:39:47,970 And he was distraught. 519 00:40:08,460 --> 00:40:10,800 Have you lost faith that this person might be caught? 520 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:12,840 No. 521 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,820 No, no, not at all. 522 00:40:16,140 --> 00:40:17,260 Justice will prevail. 523 00:40:17,740 --> 00:40:23,600 Dennis Glenn was a very quiet -spoken, elderly, grey -haired man who had an air 524 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,980 of authority about him and he had an air of strength and humanity about him. 525 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:33,140 He impressed the police hugely. They took him into their confidence. 526 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,020 He basically became part of the investigation. 527 00:40:36,780 --> 00:40:41,260 And he was focused on one thing, and that was getting justice for his 528 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:47,460 I have still a lot of confidence in the efforts of the MACRA Task Force, and I'm 529 00:40:47,460 --> 00:40:49,520 confident that whoever did it will be found. 530 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:55,500 So the police, the way they handled the media with him was spot on and very 531 00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:58,320 clever because they knew he would get the media attention. 532 00:40:58,820 --> 00:41:05,080 He never hid from anything, he never refused, and he was just a delight for a 533 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,080 journo to work with him. 534 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,120 really harrowing circumstances. 535 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,560 I would like to see this chapter brought to a close, as I'm sure with the other 536 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,780 families, as I'm sure would just the people and the community of Western 537 00:41:18,780 --> 00:41:19,780 Australia. 538 00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:29,180 More than a year since the first woman went missing, the pressure is on police 539 00:41:29,180 --> 00:41:31,580 for answers to the three Claremont abductions. 540 00:41:33,770 --> 00:41:38,410 The pressure on Paul Ferguson and the police force was palpable. 541 00:41:39,450 --> 00:41:41,210 The people wanted answers. 542 00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:47,250 The press wanted answers. Make the streets safe again. Make Claremont safe 543 00:41:47,250 --> 00:41:49,310 again. Solve this thing. 544 00:41:51,730 --> 00:41:57,750 I don't solve any crimes. 545 00:41:58,630 --> 00:42:00,870 Police officers don't solve crimes. 546 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:02,860 The evidence solves the crime. 547 00:42:03,180 --> 00:42:06,720 We have an enormous amount of information that we're working on. 548 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,800 You just keep putting the picture together. 549 00:42:09,540 --> 00:42:13,960 Despite spending more than $2 million and questioning thousands of people, 550 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:16,880 police seem no closer to catching the killer. 551 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,280 It wasn't like any other murder investigation. 552 00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:25,220 Claremont had everything thrown at it as far as resources, the number of police 553 00:42:25,220 --> 00:42:28,940 involved in the Claremont investigation, everything focused on. 554 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,680 The macro task force searched swamps and lakes. 555 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,240 Security stepped up in Claremont. 556 00:42:35,660 --> 00:42:38,900 Taxi drivers checked. Most were DNA tested. 557 00:42:39,260 --> 00:42:42,280 The investigative team fluctuated up to 300. 558 00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:47,160 When you did the DNA swabs, there was an enormous amount of people. 559 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,580 When you did the door knocks on all of the houses in the proximity of the 560 00:42:51,580 --> 00:42:53,520 nightclub, you brought people in. 561 00:42:54,380 --> 00:42:56,340 With the new case comes a reward. 562 00:42:56,860 --> 00:43:00,400 $250 ,000 to bring a serial killer to justice. 563 00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:04,400 This is the largest amount that has ever been offered for a reward. 564 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:11,100 Had the Premier offer a massive reward, the whole direction and scope 565 00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:17,180 of the place had been amplified, accelerated, driven. 566 00:43:17,620 --> 00:43:21,820 Rewards are rarely posted so early in major investigations. The hunt for the 567 00:43:21,820 --> 00:43:24,200 Claremont serial killer is a special case. 568 00:43:25,610 --> 00:43:29,410 The investigators have swooped on a key suspect after a major undercover 569 00:43:29,410 --> 00:43:33,770 operation. Targeting a man who'd been under constant surveillance for months, 570 00:43:33,770 --> 00:43:37,950 was finally intercepted by police in a Claremont area early on Sunday morning. 571 00:43:38,070 --> 00:43:42,990 The task force of Perth's top detectives has had one man as the prime suspect in 572 00:43:42,990 --> 00:43:45,630 WA's most intensive serial murder inquiry. 573 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,880 Sorry to worry you. Judy Allen, I've spoken to you a few times today on the 574 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,360 phone. I just really wanted to ask you a few questions. Are you the serial 575 00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,359 killer? No. 576 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:00,360 Are you innocent? 577 00:44:00,460 --> 00:44:04,620 Yes. The thing that I think people, I guess, don't understand is why were you 578 00:44:04,620 --> 00:44:07,080 following women around Claremont in your car? 579 00:44:09,540 --> 00:44:14,500 I just went coming home from Claremont, you know, as I do quite often. 580 00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:20,320 And when I saw a lady approaching the car saying, 581 00:44:21,050 --> 00:44:22,890 I wear the buses and that. 582 00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:27,510 I thought, well, that's, you know, I said, by that time of night, there's no 583 00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:28,510 buses. 584 00:44:28,730 --> 00:44:33,930 I never had any intention at all on any other occasions when I saw women walking 585 00:44:33,930 --> 00:44:34,930 in that area. 586 00:44:35,570 --> 00:44:41,050 All I had was concern, you know, that there's women walking around Claremont 587 00:44:41,050 --> 00:44:45,250 their own late at night, especially from what had happened all the years before, 588 00:44:45,330 --> 00:44:46,330 you know. 589 00:44:47,570 --> 00:44:50,370 Since April, police have followed his every move. 590 00:44:50,750 --> 00:44:53,450 from his work to the home he shares with his parents. 591 00:44:54,370 --> 00:44:58,230 41 -year -old Lance Williams has been under day and night surveillance. 592 00:45:00,370 --> 00:45:02,890 He lives in a beachfront unit in Cottesloe. 593 00:45:03,090 --> 00:45:04,950 That unit was searched on the weekend. 594 00:45:05,310 --> 00:45:09,490 Forensic police, including a blood spatter expert, spent most of the night 595 00:45:09,490 --> 00:45:12,310 searching the beachside flat owned by the prime suspect. 596 00:45:12,690 --> 00:45:17,630 They raided his flat. They raided his parents' house. They raided his 597 00:45:18,460 --> 00:45:22,820 They even took the carpets out of his car and out of the boot, and replaced 598 00:45:22,820 --> 00:45:24,540 with new ones, so he wouldn't know. 599 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,820 Lance, I'll ask you again, because it's what everyone will want to know. Are you 600 00:45:31,820 --> 00:45:33,520 the serial killer? No, I'm not. 601 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:40,500 No. I mean, I went in voluntary to do a test at the police station. 602 00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:43,280 I just wanted to, because the police were... 603 00:45:44,020 --> 00:45:50,100 Parked over across from my parents' house on weekends and, you know, sort of 604 00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:51,960 waiting for me at work and that. 605 00:45:52,860 --> 00:45:57,460 I just thought, well, I'll just go in there, do the test, because I had 606 00:45:57,460 --> 00:45:58,460 to hide, you know. 607 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,220 The claim on serial killings has become Australia's longest unsolved murder 608 00:46:09,220 --> 00:46:10,220 inquiry. 609 00:46:10,350 --> 00:46:13,810 For a number of years, police have closely monitored one suspect. 610 00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:18,030 The Cottesloe man was put under around -the -clock surveillance, which 611 00:46:18,030 --> 00:46:19,230 for several years. 612 00:46:19,530 --> 00:46:24,910 We have not resolved this issue, and we all are fully aware of the fact that if 613 00:46:24,910 --> 00:46:28,050 we don't resolve this issue, that there will be more people that will lose their 614 00:46:28,050 --> 00:46:32,350 lives. Dave Caporn, he threw everything he could at investigating this person. 615 00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:34,240 He's got no evidence. 616 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,560 Officers from the macro task force and forensic investigators arrived 617 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,040 unannounced this morning at the main suspect's Cottesloe home. 618 00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:45,980 The police still suspected him because they said since Lance Williams was being 619 00:46:45,980 --> 00:46:49,860 observed 24 -7, there have been no more killings. And that was their main 620 00:46:49,860 --> 00:46:53,340 premise. The investigation's been running for quite a while. The forensic 621 00:46:53,340 --> 00:46:57,560 reviewers identified specific areas of inquiry that really need to be 622 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:03,180 Speaking from behind a closed door, the man's mother says she hopes this new 623 00:47:03,180 --> 00:47:06,960 flurry of police activity will put an end to years of torment. 624 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,580 We've had no involvement and I think that's what keeps us going because we 625 00:47:11,580 --> 00:47:12,960 he's had nothing to do with it. 626 00:47:14,500 --> 00:47:17,880 Every Australia Day, which became very significant because it was the day that 627 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,380 Sarah Spears disappeared, I'd go and knock on... 628 00:47:20,620 --> 00:47:23,500 his door and sometimes he'd be there and sometimes he wasn't. This time he was 629 00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:28,440 there and he invited me in. We sat down and we talked for hours and I came away 630 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,840 from the interview convinced that Lance Williams was not the guy, so much so 631 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:36,340 that I rang the Glennons and said I have great doubts about this Lance Williams 632 00:47:36,340 --> 00:47:38,740 because they were putting all of their hopes into Lance Williams. 633 00:47:39,020 --> 00:47:43,460 This person remains to be a significant person of interest. However, he is not 634 00:47:43,460 --> 00:47:47,600 the only person being investigated by the Macro Task Force. 635 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,560 When police initially closed in on Lance Williams, Peter Wagers spoke out in 636 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,560 defence of his rights. Now he himself is under the spotlight. 637 00:48:02,780 --> 00:48:06,780 The Macro Task Force and forensics officers descended on his Richardson 638 00:48:06,780 --> 00:48:11,060 property at around 11 o 'clock this morning, raiding the home in a bid to 639 00:48:11,060 --> 00:48:15,920 any clue to the disappearances of Sarah Spears, Jane Rimmer and Keira Glennon. 640 00:48:16,060 --> 00:48:19,720 Police say their search is a significant development in the eight -year -old 641 00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:20,720 murder investigation. 642 00:48:21,140 --> 00:48:22,580 Mr Wagers is... 643 00:48:23,950 --> 00:48:26,210 a person who is of interest to this investigation. 644 00:48:26,690 --> 00:48:31,330 Shortly before following repeated refusals, Mr Wagers was forced to give a 645 00:48:31,330 --> 00:48:35,930 sample. Visibly shaken, he collapses on his front porch, close to being 646 00:48:35,930 --> 00:48:36,930 physically ill. 647 00:48:37,010 --> 00:48:41,350 I remember seeing 11 forensic officers scouring the place, pulling out 648 00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:46,830 pulling out carpets, taking off the towels off the roof, digging in the 649 00:48:46,830 --> 00:48:47,830 with probes. 650 00:48:49,550 --> 00:48:53,290 Just thinking about it now, yeah. 651 00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:55,260 I just don't want to think about it. 652 00:48:57,500 --> 00:49:01,180 Now that the van called out, is he under arrest? 653 00:49:02,380 --> 00:49:04,300 Crane said, no. 654 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,800 All right, Peter, come out. You can talk to us. 655 00:49:08,220 --> 00:49:12,600 He confronted him and saying, are you a suspect? Did you do it? Why are you 656 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:13,399 being questioned? 657 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:14,800 Why are they raiding your house? 658 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:22,040 There were no charges. They just said I was under arrest. But they then told the 659 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,040 press I wasn't under arrest. 660 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,560 I firmly believe that someone who had encountered him earlier in his life had 661 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:34,140 grudge against him. And this person sent a large number of emails to the police 662 00:49:34,140 --> 00:49:35,140 about him. 663 00:49:36,580 --> 00:49:40,900 I'm convinced that that's what led the police to him. 664 00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:46,700 If at the end of the day there's no evidence there that links an individual 665 00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:49,040 the case, then we've really got to move on. 666 00:49:49,930 --> 00:49:54,610 After several years of investigation, the macro task force, Australia's 667 00:49:54,610 --> 00:49:58,110 and most expensive manhunt, was almost disbanded. 668 00:49:58,950 --> 00:50:03,910 Paul Ferguson had been taken off the case and then as far as the media went, 669 00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:04,910 thought it had gone cold. 670 00:50:08,430 --> 00:50:12,410 I think it was August 2003 I was assigned to this story. 671 00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:16,730 I knew about the Claremont murders, I knew there was a serial killer at large. 672 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,800 But the thing that was worrying me is, like, what can I do for this story? 673 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:26,780 it wasn't like anyone had come to us with a hot tip or a lead or something 674 00:50:26,780 --> 00:50:31,120 specific to investigate. It was like a story about the Claremont murders that 675 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:35,560 had been unsolved for almost eight years at that point. It was abundantly clear 676 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,200 they believed Lance Williams was their man. 677 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:43,360 But they didn't have the evidence to arrest him. They couldn't find anything. 678 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:49,340 They'd sprayed his home with luminol. They'd raked over his car and his 679 00:50:49,340 --> 00:50:52,920 and things so many times and he just could not... They had nothing. 680 00:50:53,660 --> 00:50:56,580 There had to be a new way of looking at this. 681 00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,580 We didn't very often have serial killers on the loose in Australia. 682 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:05,060 So I thought, how do they manage cases like this overseas? 683 00:51:05,860 --> 00:51:11,320 The Yorkshire Ripper, a story of 13 killings, seven ferocious attacks and a 684 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,580 gruesome game of hide -and -seek with the police. 685 00:51:13,820 --> 00:51:16,680 that lasted for six long and terrifying years. 686 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:22,800 The National Crime and Operations Faculty in the UK was formed after the 687 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:23,920 Yorkshire Ripper case. 688 00:51:24,220 --> 00:51:27,600 A quarter of a million names were individually filed on cards. 689 00:51:28,620 --> 00:51:31,560 More than 30 ,000 statements were taken. 690 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,760 In the end, Sutcliffe was caught quite by chance. 691 00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:40,180 Once they had apprehended the Yorkshire Ripper, they looked back over the case 692 00:51:40,180 --> 00:51:43,880 because he'd gone on killing and they'd had all the evidence there all along. 693 00:51:43,980 --> 00:51:46,040 They should have been able to apprehend him. 694 00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:54,080 For Australian Story, I interviewed David Barclay from the National Crime 695 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,240 Operations Faculty in the UK. 696 00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,800 He was a very highly respected forensic investigator. 697 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,260 From what we've seen of what's been done, it's been pretty good and pretty 698 00:52:04,260 --> 00:52:05,260 offensive. 699 00:52:05,450 --> 00:52:09,290 The thing that hasn't been done, I think, is this giant workshop where we 700 00:52:09,290 --> 00:52:10,129 get together. 701 00:52:10,130 --> 00:52:14,170 He told me about the whole case review system in the UK where you bring in a 702 00:52:14,170 --> 00:52:19,150 whole range of experts of whatever type of expert you need and put them all 703 00:52:19,150 --> 00:52:24,070 together in a room where they brainstorm the whole thing together and new fresh 704 00:52:24,070 --> 00:52:27,330 eyes find things that have been overlooked on occasion. 705 00:52:27,790 --> 00:52:33,370 Like, it just made so much sense to me that this whole case review system that 706 00:52:33,370 --> 00:52:34,370 they use in the UK... 707 00:52:34,940 --> 00:52:40,660 was such an obvious way forward the parameters are that it is a search for 708 00:52:40,660 --> 00:52:45,820 every single time sometimes you get so ingrained you can't see the wood for the 709 00:52:45,820 --> 00:52:49,880 trees you get so close you may have tunnel vision as well so you need 710 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:55,300 come in and say step back within a few weeks of our program going to air 711 00:52:56,250 --> 00:53:00,670 WA Police announced that there would be a whole case review of Claremont and 712 00:53:00,670 --> 00:53:04,050 that Professor Barclay would be among the people coming to be part of that 713 00:53:04,050 --> 00:53:05,050 review team. 714 00:53:06,070 --> 00:53:10,470 Today, senior police confirmed the formation of the international team of 715 00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:11,470 homicide experts. 716 00:53:11,890 --> 00:53:16,570 The team of two British forensic experts and a serial murder specialist from New 717 00:53:16,570 --> 00:53:21,050 South Wales will be led by Superintendent Paul Schramm, who solved 718 00:53:21,050 --> 00:53:23,170 Australia's notorious Snowtown murders. 719 00:53:23,710 --> 00:53:27,190 Police hope the independent review bringing together some of the world's 720 00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:28,930 experts will lead to a breakthrough. 721 00:53:29,230 --> 00:53:32,750 After this length of time and the amount of work that's already gone into it, we 722 00:53:32,750 --> 00:53:35,250 know that the usual suspects have already been rounded up. 723 00:53:35,550 --> 00:53:37,770 What we're looking for is extra opportunities. 724 00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:50,230 The Claremont Killer Review Panel of five national and international experts 725 00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:54,650 have spent 26 days reviewing every aspect of the Claremont serial murder 726 00:53:54,650 --> 00:54:00,010 investigation. After studying almost 40 ,000 pieces of evidence, they raised the 727 00:54:00,010 --> 00:54:04,690 possibility of solving the disappearance of Sarah Spears and murders of Jane 728 00:54:04,690 --> 00:54:06,110 Rimmer and Keira Glennon. 729 00:54:06,330 --> 00:54:11,810 FBI -trained serial crime profiler Joelle Kohout has given WA police a 730 00:54:11,810 --> 00:54:14,430 insight. In this case, this is an organised offender. 731 00:54:15,020 --> 00:54:18,700 This is somebody who's put some planning into these crimes. He's methodical. 732 00:54:19,460 --> 00:54:23,580 Probably looks very normal on the surface. Might have a, you know, a 733 00:54:23,660 --> 00:54:24,660 No problems with employment. 734 00:54:25,140 --> 00:54:29,460 The macro review team claim they've identified several new lines of inquiry 735 00:54:29,460 --> 00:54:30,460 be investigated. 736 00:54:30,540 --> 00:54:33,040 And bore the recommendations from the review team. 737 00:54:33,660 --> 00:54:35,580 Look at it with a fresh eye. 738 00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:41,520 And please give it your best shot to try and solve it. So when I got appointed 739 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,580 as a deputy commissioner in 2004, 740 00:54:44,300 --> 00:54:48,420 One of the views I took very early on is about cold case. 741 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:53,760 Now, that didn't sit well with me and never has, because in cases such as 742 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:54,840 they're never cold. 743 00:54:55,180 --> 00:55:00,200 Mr Dawson said the review had identified several avenues of inquiry that needed 744 00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:01,200 further scrutiny. 745 00:55:01,380 --> 00:55:05,500 We strongly believe that it's proper that we follow these things down, so we 746 00:55:05,500 --> 00:55:10,380 still believe there is room for us to make some further investigation, and of 747 00:55:10,380 --> 00:55:11,380 course we're hopeful. 748 00:55:11,790 --> 00:55:17,470 I received the outcomes of the SRAM review, and one of the key elements that 749 00:55:17,470 --> 00:55:21,910 emerge from that was a focus on the forensic side of the investigation. 750 00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:28,510 So whenever I saw the evidence from the 90s, I guess my first impression would 751 00:55:28,510 --> 00:55:32,270 be that the size and the scale of the operation was overwhelming. 752 00:55:32,810 --> 00:55:38,170 And it was evident from what I could see that the forensic officers had done a 753 00:55:38,170 --> 00:55:39,170 terrific job 754 00:55:40,940 --> 00:55:43,520 the evidence that they could from the scenes. 755 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:49,180 But there was opportunities that still existed, which the forensic officers of 756 00:55:49,180 --> 00:55:52,380 the day wouldn't have dreamt possible back in the 90s. 757 00:55:52,940 --> 00:55:59,900 The location of Keira Glennon in Eglinton indicated that there may have 758 00:55:59,900 --> 00:56:02,220 been some sort of struggle. 759 00:56:03,050 --> 00:56:07,390 Keira Glennon's partly clothed body was found just here in a small clearing 760 00:56:07,390 --> 00:56:08,870 surrounded by acacia trees. 761 00:56:09,110 --> 00:56:11,750 The killer made no attempt to hide his victim. 762 00:56:15,210 --> 00:56:21,530 Fingernail scrapings in this case became vitally important as if you can imagine 763 00:56:21,530 --> 00:56:28,310 someone fighting for their life essentially they may have scratched the 764 00:56:28,310 --> 00:56:31,710 offender. Back in 1997 DNA 765 00:56:32,510 --> 00:56:38,710 Being in its infancy, the fingernail scrapings would have been too small for 766 00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:42,210 meaningful DNA analysis, and they were just stored. 767 00:56:43,630 --> 00:56:49,410 And when they explained to me that these were scrapings from Keira's 768 00:56:49,410 --> 00:56:55,850 fingernails, I was very quickly satisfied that this was a really 769 00:56:55,850 --> 00:57:01,430 development that we needed to optimise, and cost was never... 770 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:10,160 In 2009, the UK was seen as a world leader in DNA analysis, 771 00:57:10,340 --> 00:57:15,960 and we sent samples there to be looked at using LCN method. 772 00:57:16,300 --> 00:57:22,860 LCN is low copy number. It basically only needs a very minute portion of 773 00:57:22,860 --> 00:57:25,720 DNA material to produce results. 774 00:57:26,140 --> 00:57:30,700 When we got the DNA results back, that dramatically shifted. 775 00:57:31,370 --> 00:57:33,730 the pitch and the direction of the investigation. 776 00:57:40,090 --> 00:57:43,110 That's the story that changed everything in the Claremont case. 777 00:57:44,370 --> 00:57:49,050 It was a big decision to print this information that was very, very 778 00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:55,210 The story revealed for the first time that the person who had murdered Keira 779 00:57:55,210 --> 00:58:00,070 Glennon was the same man who had attacked a young woman, abducted her. 780 00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,840 taken her to Karakata Cemetery and sexually assaulted her a year before 781 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,740 went missing and that was connected by DNA evidence. 782 00:58:08,060 --> 00:58:12,000 And that changed everything because now they had a living, walking, talking 783 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,580 witness who had seen the Claremont serial killer. 784 00:58:14,780 --> 00:58:19,160 So find the person who committed the Karakata abduction and you had the 785 00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:20,160 Claremont serial killer. 786 00:58:20,910 --> 00:58:25,230 The report in a suburban newspaper says police were conducting a cold case 787 00:58:25,230 --> 00:58:30,630 review of LinkedIn was Glennon's death in 1997 with the unsolved abduction and 788 00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:36,470 rape of a 17 year old girl. That crime happened in 1995 before any of the three 789 00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:42,270 women disappeared. She was pulled ambushed from the street in Claremont, 790 00:58:42,270 --> 00:58:46,770 hood pulled over her head, hog tied and thrown into the back of a van and taken 791 00:58:46,770 --> 00:58:47,770 to a cemetery. 792 00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,300 It was a terrifically violent, really brutal attack. 793 00:58:52,940 --> 00:58:58,240 For some reason, he went away and she escaped and ran to the Hollywood 794 00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:02,560 area where she hid it. But she reported seeing a white van with some sort of 795 00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,920 logo on the side, trawling up backwards and forwards looking for her. 796 00:59:06,500 --> 00:59:11,980 When we got the DNA results back, it confirmed that we had a definitive link. 797 00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:19,220 between a crime where we had a living witness, a young, very brave woman who 798 00:59:19,220 --> 00:59:23,660 reported a sexual assault and an abduction from the Claremont area at 799 00:59:24,380 --> 00:59:29,480 She had accurately described to us how she had been abducted. 800 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,040 We knew the type of vehicle in some form. 801 00:59:35,260 --> 00:59:41,400 We also knew the means by which the offender had abducted her. 802 00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,840 We just needed to identify who this person was. 803 00:59:55,780 --> 01:00:01,380 In June 2015, I received a phone call from the then superintendent in charge 804 01:00:01,380 --> 01:00:04,740 Special Crime Division, which look at cold case homicides. 805 01:00:05,300 --> 01:00:08,980 And he said, I want you to work on the Claremont serial killer case. 806 01:00:09,500 --> 01:00:10,540 I've got a job for you. 807 01:00:13,290 --> 01:00:17,150 And it wasn't until I actually started to unpack and look at the investigation 808 01:00:17,150 --> 01:00:22,250 and what had been done over the preceding, you know, nearly 20 -odd 809 01:00:22,250 --> 01:00:28,310 that stage, started to get a sense of the enormity of it and how much had been 810 01:00:28,310 --> 01:00:33,310 done over those years. You know, you're looking at nearly 20 to 50 times the 811 01:00:33,310 --> 01:00:35,070 standard homicide investigation. 812 01:00:35,570 --> 01:00:41,470 In 2015, we knew the DNA profile for the offender, but we didn't know the 813 01:00:41,470 --> 01:00:47,740 person. So it was about looking at what does WA Police hold that can help us put 814 01:00:47,740 --> 01:00:48,860 a name to that profile. 815 01:00:49,620 --> 01:00:56,320 We were looking for unsolved crimes or even solved crimes where there 816 01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:57,860 was a forensic opportunity. 817 01:00:59,060 --> 01:01:03,620 So while we concentrated on Claremont first, we gradually moved it out further 818 01:01:03,620 --> 01:01:04,519 and further. 819 01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:09,520 In early 2016, an item of clothing... 820 01:01:09,900 --> 01:01:14,000 that had been held in our storage, was sent off to the labs for DNA testing. 821 01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:22,280 I received a phone call to inform me that a DNA profile had been generated. 822 01:01:24,700 --> 01:01:29,280 And he rang me at home and he said, I said, you see you sitting down type 823 01:01:29,340 --> 01:01:32,400 And I went, yeah, what's going on? He said, I just received a phone call from 824 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,600 the lab and they've got another hit. 825 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,320 And it was like, what do you mean another hit? 826 01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:39,580 He goes, we've got a DNA match. 827 01:01:41,140 --> 01:01:44,880 It goes back to a 1988 attack on a woman in Huntingdale. 828 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,040 It was a bit of an oh shit moment. 829 01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,660 I said, are you sure? And he goes, I'm 100 % sure. 830 01:01:54,180 --> 01:01:56,980 So this item of material clothing was a kimono. 831 01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,280 We have another DNA profile. 832 01:02:01,820 --> 01:02:02,960 We don't have a name. 833 01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:10,540 A huge amount of work went into locating the owner of that DNA profile. 834 01:02:16,540 --> 01:02:20,020 In late 2016, there was a breakthrough. 835 01:02:20,500 --> 01:02:26,640 The kimono was from a burglary and a sex offence in Huntingdale in 1988. 836 01:02:27,300 --> 01:02:32,400 The result has come back, and that result showed that the stains on the 837 01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,300 matched the DNA. 838 01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:38,970 from the Claremont and the Karrakatta incidents. 839 01:02:40,410 --> 01:02:43,730 So now we've got another link, but we still don't have a name. 840 01:02:46,210 --> 01:02:51,110 Once that DNA match came through, it was about sitting down and looking at, 841 01:02:51,210 --> 01:02:52,390 right, what do we know? 842 01:02:52,970 --> 01:02:57,950 So let's have a look at 1988 Huntingdale. What do we know about 1988 843 01:02:57,950 --> 01:02:58,950 Huntingdale? 844 01:03:01,790 --> 01:03:03,730 We discovered that there was this... 845 01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:08,460 A person breaking into houses, stealing underwear, stealing items of clothing 846 01:03:08,460 --> 01:03:09,399 from lines. 847 01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:14,880 There was some 24 to 26 offences in a short period of time, which had similar 848 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:15,880 descriptions for the offender. 849 01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,060 It was 1988. 850 01:03:26,580 --> 01:03:32,420 I was 24 or 25 and I was divorced with two children. 851 01:03:33,930 --> 01:03:38,410 Being a single mother wasn't that common, I suppose, in those days. 852 01:03:39,710 --> 01:03:44,450 I'd just bought a house in Huntingdale, which I was very proud. 853 01:03:44,930 --> 01:03:50,850 It was a lovely, lovely little place and as young as I was, I thought the kids 854 01:03:50,850 --> 01:03:57,830 could grow up there and it was a nice area with nice people and that's where 855 01:03:57,830 --> 01:03:58,830 we were going to stay. 856 01:03:59,550 --> 01:04:01,250 I'd just had the phone put in. 857 01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:07,500 I wasn't comfortable with the guy that did it. I couldn't wait for him to go. 858 01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:15,220 And I didn't like him being there, so that's why I've decided to myself that 859 01:04:15,220 --> 01:04:16,220 was probably him. 860 01:04:16,780 --> 01:04:20,140 That's how he found me, if you like. 861 01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:28,400 I'd just got home from work in the evening because I worked in a bottle 862 01:04:28,740 --> 01:04:32,020 I'd let the cat out because it had kittens and... 863 01:04:32,490 --> 01:04:35,130 That's why the door was open. That's how he got in. 864 01:04:35,350 --> 01:04:39,270 I was just coming out of the shower and he was in my toilet. 865 01:04:39,630 --> 01:04:46,610 He had a woman's nightie on and what I think were undies on 866 01:04:46,610 --> 01:04:47,509 his head. 867 01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:51,350 At first I thought it was a joke when I saw him. 868 01:04:51,550 --> 01:04:56,530 I couldn't see his full face, but you could see his eyes. 869 01:04:56,770 --> 01:05:00,610 They were dark, clearly to match his soul. 870 01:05:04,270 --> 01:05:11,210 And then he pushed me against the wall and had a 871 01:05:11,210 --> 01:05:12,870 fractured skull. 872 01:05:13,930 --> 01:05:19,810 And I fell onto the floor and he was beating me. 873 01:05:22,610 --> 01:05:28,650 Oddly, I thought he wanted the kids, so I did think he'd have to kill me 874 01:05:28,650 --> 01:05:33,370 before he would get to the children. So that's what probably... 875 01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:38,680 Protected me with that maternal instinct to protect your children. 876 01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:45,880 I kneed him in the groin and he got off and ran out the back door. And 877 01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:52,600 it wasn't until I saw myself that I realised how bad it was because my face 878 01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:59,540 wasn't recognisable because it was so swollen and the bruises and the 879 01:05:59,540 --> 01:06:01,300 two black eyes were not, you know. 880 01:06:03,260 --> 01:06:06,180 So he was very brutal, he was very strong. 881 01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:11,760 I think if I lived somewhere, a better suburb, there would have perhaps been 882 01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,500 more resources put into looking for him. 883 01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:22,460 But certainly being from Huntingdale, single mum, I don't think there was any 884 01:06:22,460 --> 01:06:25,880 importance placed on it that there should have been. 885 01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:30,780 And the police didn't tell me at the time that I was one of many. 886 01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:33,900 I didn't know that till recently. 887 01:06:36,980 --> 01:06:39,840 So the hunting down Prowler was something that was new to us. 888 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:44,160 And most people that worked on macro, you know, it's a bit too early for their 889 01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:45,160 time. 890 01:06:45,380 --> 01:06:51,200 There were a number of offences and some of them, the same house was targeted 891 01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:52,200 multiple times. 892 01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:57,480 So one particular house, the woman who lived in this house, she was subject to 893 01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,280 four different incidents over a couple of months period. 894 01:07:02,190 --> 01:07:08,430 We now had another series of offences to look at and possibly identify the 895 01:07:08,430 --> 01:07:10,390 offender through another means. 896 01:07:11,130 --> 01:07:15,270 And what we were able to do is we were able to actually find fingerprints 897 01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:20,490 by the police from that era and then we took those fingerprints and we did a 898 01:07:20,490 --> 01:07:23,090 manual search against the fingerprint database. 899 01:07:23,650 --> 01:07:28,650 That's one of those moments in time that you don't forget when the fingerprints 900 01:07:28,650 --> 01:07:31,290 came back and there was a match. 901 01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:38,840 We realised that he had a prior conviction for a 1990 offence that 902 01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:43,000 Hollywood Hospital where a social worker was assaulted. 903 01:07:49,460 --> 01:07:55,420 I worked as a senior social worker at Hollywood Hospital, working in the 904 01:07:55,420 --> 01:07:56,460 palliative care unit. 905 01:07:57,070 --> 01:08:01,690 working with people who were coming to the end of their lives and I loved my 906 01:08:01,690 --> 01:08:08,070 work. The day that it happened, it was just a normal working day for me and I 907 01:08:08,070 --> 01:08:14,410 was working alone in the office and I had my back to the door of the ward. 908 01:08:14,950 --> 01:08:18,590 I heard this voice say, can I use the toilet? 909 01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:25,290 And I half turned around and I glanced and it was a, I saw it was a telecom 910 01:08:25,290 --> 01:08:26,290 worker. 911 01:08:26,510 --> 01:08:29,830 And I just sort of said, yes, sure. 912 01:08:30,210 --> 01:08:33,770 And I heard him go behind me. 913 01:08:34,609 --> 01:08:37,350 And as he went behind me, I thought, that's strange. 914 01:08:38,050 --> 01:08:40,390 That just really doesn't feel right. 915 01:08:41,029 --> 01:08:47,970 I can't even describe the force and the power with which he 916 01:08:47,970 --> 01:08:48,868 attacked me. 917 01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:51,670 A hand came over my face. 918 01:08:51,970 --> 01:08:54,710 My head snapped back. He started to pull me up on my chair. 919 01:08:55,260 --> 01:08:59,340 He was pulling me back towards the toilet and then all of a sudden 920 01:08:59,340 --> 01:09:00,340 stopped. 921 01:09:00,899 --> 01:09:05,779 And he was just standing there. 922 01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:10,779 I looked directly at him and he was saying, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 923 01:09:11,220 --> 01:09:14,920 It was almost like a, I better fix this, I better fix this somehow. 924 01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:19,920 It was, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It's like a panicky realisation. 925 01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:30,120 somebody who I understood to be a telecom manager. I'm pretty sure it was 926 01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:37,120 police station. Of course, Telstra was once telecom 927 01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:43,620 and it was telecom when he actually attacked me and 928 01:09:43,620 --> 01:09:49,240 telecom apologised for what they called an incident 929 01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:53,319 and I tried to explain to them that I... 930 01:09:53,710 --> 01:10:00,630 had bruising on my neck, that I was traumatised, that I thought 931 01:10:00,630 --> 01:10:01,730 I was going to die. 932 01:10:01,990 --> 01:10:08,970 But nobody was listening to what I was saying. They were more 933 01:10:08,970 --> 01:10:15,970 interested in explaining to me that this 934 01:10:15,970 --> 01:10:19,750 person that had attacked me had... 935 01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:28,720 was having relationship problems, that he had snapped, somehow snapped. 936 01:10:29,980 --> 01:10:34,480 And that was why he'd attacked me. 937 01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:42,420 And it was when I found out that he had only been charged with 938 01:10:42,420 --> 01:10:49,080 commoner thought that I really lost it. I became quite hysterical. 939 01:10:50,350 --> 01:10:55,190 I left my job and I just moved in completely different directions. 940 01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:59,770 I just buried it and got on with my life. 941 01:11:00,250 --> 01:11:06,590 So you can imagine the absolute shock and horror that 942 01:11:06,590 --> 01:11:13,370 resurfaced when the WA police rang me and told me 943 01:11:13,370 --> 01:11:17,210 that this person that had attacked me had been arrested. 944 01:11:18,510 --> 01:11:20,350 for the Claremont serial killings. 945 01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:29,730 Today, a major breakthrough in the longest -running and most expensive 946 01:11:29,730 --> 01:11:34,570 investigation in Australia's history. A major breakthrough WA police have been 947 01:11:34,570 --> 01:11:36,110 waiting 20 years for. 948 01:11:36,370 --> 01:11:40,490 So the arrest happened really quickly, and I mean very quickly, within 24 hours 949 01:11:40,490 --> 01:11:41,630 of getting the name. 950 01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:46,870 It was a high risk in that entry. 951 01:11:47,550 --> 01:11:52,450 So we brought the tactical response group in to do that and it had to be 952 01:11:52,450 --> 01:11:53,970 dynamic and quick. 953 01:11:59,970 --> 01:12:04,670 Neighbours say his daughter, now in her 20s, remained by his side, still living 954 01:12:04,670 --> 01:12:08,930 at home. It was her screams residents heard yesterday morning when he was 955 01:12:08,930 --> 01:12:13,650 arrested. His whole demeanour was like this shock and surprise, what do you 956 01:12:13,650 --> 01:12:17,950 mean? And his response was... You know, this is not possible. You've got the 957 01:12:17,950 --> 01:12:18,950 wrong guy type thing. 958 01:12:19,090 --> 01:12:23,130 Residents who've lived across the street for almost 20 years say they had no 959 01:12:23,130 --> 01:12:28,090 idea their quiet and placid neighbours could be accused of such horrific crime. 960 01:12:28,510 --> 01:12:32,530 When we found the name out, it was not a name that had been anywhere on anyone's 961 01:12:32,530 --> 01:12:36,710 radar. It was not a well -known convicted criminal. It was not Peter 962 01:12:36,710 --> 01:12:37,810 was not Lance Windham. 963 01:12:38,190 --> 01:12:42,710 But it was a completely unknown suburban family man who was... 964 01:12:43,020 --> 01:12:47,000 Just as the profiles had said, he was quietly living with his family. 965 01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:52,080 It's understood the 48 -year -old is an electrical engineer and volunteers at 966 01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:56,420 little athletics clubs across Perth. It was Bradley Robert Edwards, a Telstra 967 01:12:56,420 --> 01:13:00,620 technician, who by now had risen to the senior ranks. 968 01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,000 The last person you'd expect to be a serial killer. 969 01:13:16,940 --> 01:13:21,540 His head in his hands, Bradley Robert Edwards faces a marathon police 970 01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:26,460 telling detectives, I just want to go to sleep and wake up and this will all be 971 01:13:26,460 --> 01:13:27,379 a bad dream. 972 01:13:27,380 --> 01:13:32,680 For six hours, Edwards repeatedly denies killing Sarah Spears, Jane Rimmer and 973 01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:37,240 Keira Glennon, telling detectives he isn't familiar with the Claremont area 974 01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:40,140 has never been to Club Bayview or the Continental Hotel. 975 01:13:40,540 --> 01:13:44,620 So we needed to take an evidentiary DNA sample from him. So during the early 976 01:13:44,620 --> 01:13:49,920 part of the interview, We took a proper DNA sample from him under the 977 01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:51,140 legislative requirements. 978 01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:56,260 Towards the end of the interview, those results came back in and it confirmed 979 01:13:56,260 --> 01:13:57,260 what we already knew. 980 01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:02,100 I said, brace yourself, Bradley, and we got the results in. And the look on his 981 01:14:02,100 --> 01:14:03,920 face was, this can't be. 982 01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:08,120 Asomba State Premier welcomed the arrest and the chance for closure. 983 01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:13,680 I hope for the families that they will also, while in a very, again, 984 01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:18,450 time for them, also find at the end of the process that there will be justice 985 01:14:18,450 --> 01:14:19,810 for their daughters. 986 01:14:20,170 --> 01:14:26,590 Dealing with family or the relatives is a very complicated matter. 987 01:14:29,130 --> 01:14:30,870 There was that apprehension. 988 01:14:31,130 --> 01:14:37,530 They've coped with this tragedy in their life for 20 years and I realise that 989 01:14:37,530 --> 01:14:39,330 their world is about to be turned upside down. 990 01:14:39,990 --> 01:14:43,570 We've been pre -warned on what was going to happen. 991 01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:50,000 And the task force are in contact with us on a regular basis, giving us updates 992 01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:51,120 as to what's happening. 993 01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:57,820 The surviving victims were informed at the same time as the family of the girls 994 01:14:57,820 --> 01:14:58,840 that were deceased. 995 01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:08,100 Finding out the man who had assaulted me was Bradley 996 01:15:08,100 --> 01:15:10,860 Edwards, had a profound effect on me. 997 01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:13,550 emotionally, psychologically. 998 01:15:14,910 --> 01:15:18,210 You go through a lot of things where you think, you know, what if they'd have 999 01:15:18,210 --> 01:15:19,210 caught him back then? 1000 01:15:19,890 --> 01:15:22,170 But we'll never know. 1001 01:15:26,990 --> 01:15:32,490 So post -Edwards arrest, the investigation didn't stop there. We need 1002 01:15:32,490 --> 01:15:33,490 brief of evidence. 1003 01:15:34,630 --> 01:15:38,970 When we got that moment where we identified Bradley Edwards, you know, we 1004 01:15:38,970 --> 01:15:39,970 at his past. 1005 01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:45,540 and we looked at the Huntdale Prowler, and when we looked at that 1990 1006 01:15:45,540 --> 01:15:49,160 attack on Wendy Davis, you know, we looked at the facts of that matter. 1007 01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:53,400 Telstra technician, then you start to put it together and go, interesting. 1008 01:15:55,100 --> 01:15:59,900 We had to try to identify and locate the vehicle that Bradley Edwards was 1009 01:15:59,900 --> 01:16:03,240 assigned by Telstra in 96 and 97. 1010 01:16:04,420 --> 01:16:09,300 We identified where it was through our system and then seized that vehicle. 1011 01:16:09,820 --> 01:16:13,500 and we could see that it once had Telstra markings on it. 1012 01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:20,100 It was subject to a pretty detailed forensic examination where the fibre 1013 01:16:20,100 --> 01:16:21,280 evidence was critical. 1014 01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:27,420 The fibres that we're talking about here are sub -millimetre in size, so they're 1015 01:16:27,420 --> 01:16:30,460 minute and can only be seen under a microscope. 1016 01:16:30,820 --> 01:16:35,660 The Telstra clothing that was worn at the time was a particular navy blue. The 1017 01:16:35,660 --> 01:16:42,410 fibre evidence showed a linkage between the vehicle, Telstra clothing and fibres 1018 01:16:42,410 --> 01:16:45,330 from the hair masses of Keira Glennon and Jane Rimmer. 1019 01:16:45,790 --> 01:16:50,210 Who knew that that car would still be around 20 years later? 1020 01:16:50,670 --> 01:16:56,990 A white Commodore that could have been in a trash heap, could be anywhere, and 1021 01:16:56,990 --> 01:17:03,510 let alone the fibres from what he wore, still in a tucked away area, 1022 01:17:03,610 --> 01:17:08,150 matched up with the fibres from the girl's hair. 1023 01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:11,080 That was mind -boggling. 1024 01:17:23,340 --> 01:17:27,360 It's a walk into court Dennis Glennon will make time and time again, seeking 1025 01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:29,780 answers about what happened to his daughter Keira. 1026 01:17:30,060 --> 01:17:34,280 Bradley Robert Edwards is accused of murdering Sarah Spears, Jane Rimmer and 1027 01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:38,720 Keira Glennon, who all disappeared from the streets of Claremont in the 1990s. 1028 01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:43,720 The bodies of Jane Rimmer and Kira Glennon were discovered by chance, 1029 01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,880 bushland in opposite directions in the weeks after they were killed. 1030 01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:51,900 The remains of 18 -year -old Sarah Spears have never been found. The six 1031 01:17:51,900 --> 01:17:56,820 judge -only trial will feature hundreds of witnesses and thousands of pages of 1032 01:17:56,820 --> 01:17:57,820 evidence. 1033 01:18:00,940 --> 01:18:04,200 Well, every person has a right to be assumed to be innocent. 1034 01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:09,220 Every person has a right to be represented and every person has a right 1035 01:18:09,220 --> 01:18:13,880 fair trial. In my view, the media had made it impossible for anyone to be 1036 01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:19,900 objective about his guilt or otherwise and that if Mr Edwards had faced a trial 1037 01:18:19,900 --> 01:18:25,900 by a jury, there was a perception with a sound basis in my view that many or 1038 01:18:25,900 --> 01:18:29,800 most of the jurors would have already decided his guilt long before they 1039 01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:31,380 into the courtroom and heard any evidence. 1040 01:18:38,440 --> 01:18:42,640 The pressure to ensure a successful prosecution was immense. 1041 01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:49,640 Our biggest fear is the fear of letting people down, letting myself down 1042 01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:53,340 personally, letting the agency down, most importantly, letting families down. 1043 01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,680 The defence dropped a bombshell when they started the case, saying there's 1044 01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:01,420 cross -contamination of the DNA samples and that you've got the wrong guy. 1045 01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,080 And that was in everybody's mind. And he sat down. 1046 01:19:04,460 --> 01:19:06,780 He didn't say anything more. He said, you've got the wrong guy. So right 1047 01:19:06,780 --> 01:19:09,760 throughout the trial, every journalist had this in the back of their mind, as 1048 01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:10,760 did the public. 1049 01:19:11,180 --> 01:19:12,240 Have they got the right guy? 1050 01:19:28,270 --> 01:19:32,770 He says he's not the Claremont serial killer, but Bradley Edwards has a 1051 01:19:32,770 --> 01:19:38,410 past, a conviction for a 1990 attack on a female worker at Hollywood Hospital. 1052 01:19:38,530 --> 01:19:41,330 Today, she testified in his murder trial. 1053 01:19:42,170 --> 01:19:45,490 I didn't focus on him at all. 1054 01:19:46,370 --> 01:19:52,390 I was just determined to give the best evidence that I could. Everything just 1055 01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:56,130 came flooding back and I... 1056 01:19:56,810 --> 01:19:58,590 I just told what had happened. 1057 01:19:59,050 --> 01:20:05,710 I thought I've done the right thing. It was very important to me to do that. 1058 01:20:07,770 --> 01:20:12,710 And then all I wanted to do was get out of the building. 1059 01:20:17,070 --> 01:20:20,910 The front row of Court 7 -2, which is normally packed with the victims' loved 1060 01:20:20,910 --> 01:20:25,070 ones, was empty today as the families attempted to avoid hearing the grim 1061 01:20:25,070 --> 01:20:30,030 details. Senior prosecutors sent to buy projector screens to shield the public 1062 01:20:30,030 --> 01:20:31,630 gallery from disturbing evidence. 1063 01:20:31,970 --> 01:20:36,330 Chilling details of the women's injuries revealed and how it's alleged they 1064 01:20:36,330 --> 01:20:37,610 fought for their lives. 1065 01:20:38,090 --> 01:20:41,770 It became too much for one woman in the public gallery who left the court 1066 01:20:41,770 --> 01:20:46,610 sobbing. Today, a string of emails has provided an insight into some of the 1067 01:20:46,610 --> 01:20:51,130 rabbit holes police went down before the major DNA breakthrough that led to the 1068 01:20:51,130 --> 01:20:52,410 arrest of Bradley Edwards. 1069 01:20:52,690 --> 01:20:57,130 The court was played intimate home videos from the late 90s which show 1070 01:20:57,130 --> 01:21:01,670 as a family man joking and playing with his future stepdaughter. Sitting in the 1071 01:21:01,670 --> 01:21:06,010 dark, Edwards' emotionless facade cracked for a second and he smiled at 1072 01:21:06,010 --> 01:21:07,010 video. 1073 01:21:07,950 --> 01:21:12,810 It was a fleeting glance of what could have been the other side of him. 1074 01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:17,830 Otherwise, it was just this robot sitting there, cardboard cutout, just 1075 01:21:17,830 --> 01:21:19,350 there every day, no emotion. 1076 01:21:21,170 --> 01:21:24,050 Court resumed around 2 .15 this afternoon. 1077 01:21:24,570 --> 01:21:29,290 The second part of the trial will focus on expert evidence, including critical 1078 01:21:29,290 --> 01:21:31,930 forensic material and testimony from police. 1079 01:21:32,460 --> 01:21:36,700 The actions of police officers at the crime scenes is a crucial part of the 1080 01:21:36,700 --> 01:21:41,560 trial. As lawyers for Edwards argue, some forensic evidence may be 1081 01:21:41,940 --> 01:21:47,320 So during the trial, the defence did raise the prospect that there could have 1082 01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,000 been contamination of the DNA evidence. 1083 01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:54,440 This afternoon, another witness gave evidence about the day Keira Glennon's 1084 01:21:54,440 --> 01:21:55,700 was discovered in Eglinton. 1085 01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:00,480 Former WA detective Charles Carver was adamant he and his partner followed 1086 01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:04,740 protocol, staying away from the body so they didn't disturb the forensic scene. 1087 01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:12,080 There was definitely a huge, huge gap between what police were doing now and 1088 01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:13,480 what police were doing then. 1089 01:22:14,300 --> 01:22:17,960 People were walking through without any suit covers on. People were just walking 1090 01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:22,780 in and out of crime scenes. There was a lot of evidence which people, you know, 1091 01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,140 unintentionally maybe touched with their bare hands. 1092 01:22:25,740 --> 01:22:29,220 We're talking about a time when DNA was in its infancy. 1093 01:22:29,540 --> 01:22:32,500 There were no forensics. Wearing gloves was an option. 1094 01:22:33,070 --> 01:22:36,590 I mean, people were trampling all over everything and, of course, this all came 1095 01:22:36,590 --> 01:22:39,110 to light and they were criticised for it, but back then nobody knew any 1096 01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:43,530 different. The court has heard of a total of 11 contamination events 1097 01:22:43,530 --> 01:22:44,850 the macro investigation. 1098 01:22:45,450 --> 01:22:49,950 Bradley Edwards denies murdering the women, with his lawyers arguing DNA on a 1099 01:22:49,950 --> 01:22:54,370 sample taken from his Caracatta rape victim could have found its way onto 1100 01:22:54,370 --> 01:22:58,870 fingernail samples from Keira Glennon by means of contamination, while exhibits 1101 01:22:58,870 --> 01:23:01,490 from both crimes were being stored at the lab. 1102 01:23:02,410 --> 01:23:06,570 It seems that was his argument. They've got the DNA on me. I am a rapist, but I 1103 01:23:06,570 --> 01:23:08,130 haven't graduated to being a serial killer. 1104 01:23:08,430 --> 01:23:10,310 We will never know because he never gave evidence. 1105 01:23:20,030 --> 01:23:24,690 People had lined up outside the court before sunrise to witness one of the 1106 01:23:24,690 --> 01:23:27,330 significant moments in the state's legal history. 1107 01:23:27,610 --> 01:23:30,750 The state's case has come down to three main elements. 1108 01:23:31,260 --> 01:23:35,700 The trace of Edwards' DNA detected under Keira Glennon's fingernails, the 1109 01:23:35,700 --> 01:23:40,700 textile fibres found on the bodies of Ms Glennon and Jane Rimmer, and the fact 1110 01:23:40,700 --> 01:23:45,300 that Edwards had the know -how and the drive to abduct, restrain and assault 1111 01:23:45,300 --> 01:23:46,320 vulnerable women. 1112 01:23:48,340 --> 01:23:50,280 The morning of the verdict I'll never forget. 1113 01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:56,380 Right up to the end, there was always that thought in the back of our mind, 1114 01:23:56,380 --> 01:23:58,460 happens if he's acquitted on all charges? 1115 01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:05,800 How are we going to feel about it? How's the team going to feel? 1116 01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,380 And how's the family going to feel? 1117 01:24:11,820 --> 01:24:18,600 They had waited for this time for 20 1118 01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:23,100 years to have somebody that could be held accountable for life -changing 1119 01:24:23,100 --> 01:24:28,160 moments, for the brutal murders of their daughters. 1120 01:24:28,580 --> 01:24:32,340 And it was the fear of letting them down was huge. 1121 01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:49,620 In the Supreme Court of Western Australia, calling Supreme Court 1122 01:24:49,620 --> 01:24:53,100 number 164, State of Western Australia against Bradley Robert Edwards. 1123 01:24:53,580 --> 01:24:54,940 Custody, please put up Mr Edwards. 1124 01:24:58,540 --> 01:25:00,120 This is a trial like no other. 1125 01:25:00,620 --> 01:25:02,160 This is a trial like every other. 1126 01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:05,960 Those apparently irreconcilable statements are both true. 1127 01:25:07,020 --> 01:25:10,680 It's a trial like no other because of the combination of its length, its size, 1128 01:25:10,820 --> 01:25:12,640 and the high degree of public interest. 1129 01:25:13,610 --> 01:25:16,990 The events in question occurred more than 20 years ago, but have haunted the 1130 01:25:16,990 --> 01:25:19,590 memory of many people and troubled the public conscience. 1131 01:25:20,770 --> 01:25:25,650 Few trials have been so consistently reported or reported on in such detail. 1132 01:25:26,810 --> 01:25:31,190 But this is a case like every other, because despite the unusual features 1133 01:25:31,190 --> 01:25:35,850 referred to, the fundamental principles that apply to every criminal trial apply 1134 01:25:35,850 --> 01:25:36,850 to this one. 1135 01:25:40,070 --> 01:25:42,930 The courts do not deliver different standards of justice. 1136 01:25:43,630 --> 01:25:48,350 justice is dispensed without fear or favour, affection or ill will. 1137 01:25:49,730 --> 01:25:55,210 The promise of equal justice before the law required that this trial, like all 1138 01:25:55,210 --> 01:26:00,490 criminal trials, be conducted with care to ensure fairness to both the defence 1139 01:26:00,490 --> 01:26:01,490 and the prosecution. 1140 01:26:02,350 --> 01:26:07,610 The accused is presumed innocent, the state bears the onus of proof, and the 1141 01:26:07,610 --> 01:26:09,550 standard of proof is beyond reasonable doubt. 1142 01:26:15,020 --> 01:26:19,820 I have not been distracted by the public interest or the publicity from the 1143 01:26:19,820 --> 01:26:22,160 proper application of those principles. 1144 01:26:23,700 --> 01:26:27,000 I've prepared detailed reasons for the conclusions I've reached. 1145 01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,220 This summary forms part of those conclusions. 1146 01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:35,360 Having regard to the DNA evidence, the fibre evidence and the propensity 1147 01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:41,440 evidence, I am satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that the accused was 1148 01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:43,280 of Ms Rimmer and Ms Glennon. 1149 01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:53,880 The propensity evidence makes it more likely that the accused was the killer 1150 01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:59,500 Miss Spears, but it cannot prove it beyond reasonable doubt in the absence 1151 01:26:59,500 --> 01:27:03,600 any other evidence as to the identity of her killer. 1152 01:27:05,180 --> 01:27:09,600 Based on those findings, the verdict will be as follows. Stand up, please, Mr 1153 01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:10,600 Edwards. 1154 01:27:12,220 --> 01:27:13,360 On count six. 1155 01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:19,800 That on or about the 27th of January 1996 at Claremont and elsewhere, you 1156 01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,000 willfully murdered Sarah Ellen Spears. 1157 01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:24,740 My verdict is that you are not guilty. 1158 01:27:25,740 --> 01:27:26,960 On count seven. 1159 01:27:27,620 --> 01:27:33,260 That on or about the 9th of June 1996 at Claremont and elsewhere, you willfully 1160 01:27:33,260 --> 01:27:36,680 murdered Jane Louise Rimmer. My verdict is that you are guilty. 1161 01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:43,240 On count eight, that on or about the 15th of March 1997 at Claremont and 1162 01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:48,340 elsewhere, you willfully murdered Keira Eilish Glennon, my verdict is that you 1163 01:27:48,340 --> 01:27:49,299 are guilty. 1164 01:27:49,300 --> 01:27:50,360 You can sit down. 1165 01:27:51,900 --> 01:27:57,300 I enter judgments of conviction on counts seven and eight and a judgment of 1166 01:27:57,300 --> 01:27:58,520 acquittal on count six. 1167 01:27:59,480 --> 01:28:02,220 Would you like to make any comments? Is there anything you would like to say? 1168 01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:15,200 A bittersweet result for two families, there's justice. For the third, more 1169 01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:16,200 heartbreak. 1170 01:28:19,780 --> 01:28:23,740 For me, the verdict, mixed emotions. 1171 01:28:26,260 --> 01:28:33,160 Elated about the last two counts on the indictment, which was 1172 01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:34,340 Jane and Kira. 1173 01:28:34,860 --> 01:28:39,100 But, yeah, disappointment at Sarah Spears' acquittal. 1174 01:28:39,690 --> 01:28:41,630 And I didn't disagree with the decision. 1175 01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:45,970 It was more that feeling of failure, I guess. 1176 01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:50,470 We did what we could. We put it up. We just didn't get that over the line. 1177 01:28:50,950 --> 01:28:56,210 Justice Hall said propensity evidence makes Edwards a likely suspect in 1178 01:28:56,210 --> 01:29:01,470 case or even her probable killer. But the allegations couldn't be proven 1179 01:29:01,470 --> 01:29:02,470 a reasonable doubt. 1180 01:29:02,670 --> 01:29:06,670 We were in the back of the court at the time following the verdict and Don 1181 01:29:06,670 --> 01:29:07,670 Spears... 1182 01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:13,560 wanted to address everyone, so we sort of remained in the court, and Don 1183 01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:18,380 addressed the prosecutors and the team, the investigation team, and the other 1184 01:29:18,380 --> 01:29:21,900 families as well that were all part of it, and he addressed everyone and 1185 01:29:21,900 --> 01:29:22,900 everyone for their time. 1186 01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:28,140 And he said, you know, at the end of the day, we gave it our best crack, and I 1187 01:29:28,140 --> 01:29:33,000 know who's responsible for the killing of our daughter. The way he came across 1188 01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,820 was something you'll never forget. 1189 01:29:37,130 --> 01:29:43,150 The poignancy and the manner in which Don and his wife Carol and their 1190 01:29:43,290 --> 01:29:49,970 their surviving daughter, carried themselves was profound and will always 1191 01:29:49,970 --> 01:29:50,970 remembered. 1192 01:29:53,050 --> 01:29:55,130 We got the result we wanted. 1193 01:29:55,470 --> 01:29:57,270 Everyone just gave each other a hug. 1194 01:29:57,510 --> 01:29:58,530 It's very sad. 1195 01:29:58,870 --> 01:30:00,590 It's always going to be the same. 1196 01:30:00,890 --> 01:30:02,330 No -one's ever going to bring you back. 1197 01:30:06,730 --> 01:30:11,070 This is a momentous day, a day we've now witnessed the jailing of an evil man. 1198 01:30:11,410 --> 01:30:18,290 It is my sincere hope for the sake of victims, for the sake of the family and 1199 01:30:18,290 --> 01:30:24,410 friends, and indeed for the safety of our community, that Edwards will never 1200 01:30:24,410 --> 01:30:29,450 released from prison. The investigation into the murder of Sarah Spears remains 1201 01:30:29,450 --> 01:30:30,450 open. 1202 01:30:30,810 --> 01:30:35,050 We will never give up trying to locate Sarah. 1203 01:30:35,740 --> 01:30:39,720 And I've conveyed that to Don and Carol Spears today. 1204 01:30:49,420 --> 01:30:55,620 It all started here in Claremont decades ago. Young, innocent women enjoying a 1205 01:30:55,620 --> 01:30:58,180 night out, taken away from their families. 1206 01:30:58,670 --> 01:31:03,890 flowers at the Claremont Hotel thanking police for not giving up on this 1207 01:31:03,890 --> 01:31:07,870 investigation. But many questions remain unanswered. 1208 01:31:12,230 --> 01:31:19,070 I've thought it a thousand times. How can he go 30 odd years committing the 1209 01:31:19,070 --> 01:31:25,790 heinous crime that this country's ever seen and never get caught? 1210 01:31:34,860 --> 01:31:39,180 So looking back on the investigation, in my position as a senior investigating 1211 01:31:39,180 --> 01:31:43,600 officer, what I can say is that the initial investigation was conducted 1212 01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:49,860 professionally and the investigative techniques used in the era were sound. 1213 01:31:51,860 --> 01:31:55,160 Was Telstra a line of inquiry at the time? It definitely was. 1214 01:31:55,500 --> 01:31:59,580 And they did look at Telstra employees, they looked at people who took home 1215 01:31:59,580 --> 01:32:03,060 motor vehicles from Telstra, had access to vehicles at night time. 1216 01:32:03,690 --> 01:32:06,690 but it didn't give you a result at that stage. 1217 01:32:07,350 --> 01:32:11,990 Any homicide, what you want to do is to find the person responsible. 1218 01:32:13,230 --> 01:32:19,350 That one, I left, and it hadn't been resolved. 1219 01:32:20,650 --> 01:32:26,390 But in 1996, Sarah Spears was abducted and murdered. In 1220 01:32:26,390 --> 01:32:30,170 2017, a person was charged. 1221 01:32:30,900 --> 01:32:33,780 with the abduction and murder of three girls. 1222 01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:41,800 The evidence that convicted that person was collected back in 1996, 97, 1223 01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:47,700 98. I can sit back now and be very, very comfortable in myself and my team that 1224 01:32:47,700 --> 01:32:49,460 we did what we were asked to do. 1225 01:32:51,820 --> 01:32:56,380 I feel personally that I've learnt through this because you don't always 1226 01:32:56,380 --> 01:32:58,960 things exactly right. You learn on the way. 1227 01:33:02,220 --> 01:33:07,960 I feel that if there's any legacy out of this series of crimes is that we will 1228 01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:10,160 be a much better police force. 1229 01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:20,140 But what is important to any member of our community, of any persuasion, any 1230 01:33:20,140 --> 01:33:24,920 walk of life, is that you've got to have trust in the police force. 1231 01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:30,860 The public gain confidence if the police are able to bring to justice. 1232 01:33:31,470 --> 01:33:34,750 the most horrific of criminals, and in this instance they did. 112541

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