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A major breakthrough in the longest
running and most expensive murder
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investigation in Australia's history. It
all started decades ago. Young innocent
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women taken away from their families. A
case that has gripped the state for a
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quarter of a century.
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He's a killer, a sadistic rapist who
preyed on innocent women. He devastated
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families. and tormented the Western
Australian community. He showed no
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occasionally twitching his fingers.
Today marks the end of a dark chapter in
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Perth's history, but many questions
remain unanswered.
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How can he go 30 -odd years under the
radar committing the most
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heinous crimes that this country's ever
seen and never get caught?
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Everybody knew right from the very start
this was something completely
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different. The 17 -year -old was hooded,
bound and gagged. Driving her to
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Karakata Cemetery, where she was raped
twice before she was dumped in bushes.
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These doors were plucked from the
quietest, most trusting area in
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With your billionaires living just a
couple of streets away.
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We had no idea what was going on.
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The family case was the most...
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Time -consuming, resource -hungry,
frustrating investigation.
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The answer is out there.
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Someone who is listening has the answer.
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We knew the girls were probably
murdered. We hadn't found their bodies.
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We still believe there is room for us to
make some further investigation.
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There had to be a new way of looking at
this. So I thought, how do they manage
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cases like this?
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The Yorkshire Ripper, a gruesome game of
hide -and -seek with the police that
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lasted for six terrifying years.
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The UK was seen as a world leader in DNA
analysis and we sent samples there.
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Reports of a possible breakthrough have
raised hope the Claremont case will be
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solved. It was insignificant at the
time. Of course, in hindsight now, it
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crucial. I remember looking at his
picture and thinking, oh my God, that is
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Never thought it'd be solved.
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Never ever thought it would come about
the way it did.
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Perth in the 1990s was pleasant.
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It had a very low major crime rate. It
was a beachy lifestyle.
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Claremont was an emerging town and it
rapidly became a very, very popular
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entertainment area, starting off with
the Claremont Hotel and then around the
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corner, Club Bay View, which really did
become the sort of throbbing heart of
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young people's lives in Claremont.
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It's a place that we've always felt very
comfortable with because it's a very,
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very trusting, conservative area.
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Everybody knew everybody and you felt
safe there.
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I'm sure at the time it would have been
just unfathomable that something like
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this could happen there. It's the last
place you'd expect.
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For most, Australia Day revolves around
food and family, be it an Aussie
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breakfast, brunch at a cafe, or lunch at
Kings Park.
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But the day's biggest catch was off
Rottnest.
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A giant marlin making a memorable
Australia Day 1996.
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A lot of people were on holidays.
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The weather was hot.
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And we're just past the Christmas silly
season where any story is a story for
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the news, you know.
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And there was a tiny little piece in the
West Australian about a missing person.
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Just one paragraph, basically.
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And I cut that out, thinking that's
going to become a big file. I just had a
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feeling about it.
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Everything told you that there was
something not right about this missing
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18 -year -old Sarah Spears told friends
in Claremont's Club Bay View last Friday
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she was going outside to catch a cab.
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She came up.
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She hasn't been seen since.
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As media, right from the very start, we
knew that there was something very
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sinister about this.
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Here she is, disappearing from one of
the safest neighbourhoods in Australia.
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It was not a missing girls story.
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The only thing that we could think of,
any reason at all, is why she would
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disappear.
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I'd just like her to come home.
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I don't think she would do that anyway.
I can't see any reason why she wouldn't
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be with us if she could be with us.
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There must be something in it.
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It is a nightmare, definitely.
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I just hope that anyone out there that
can help will step forward.
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Show a little bit of compassion.
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I would just like to appeal to anyone
that may have cited Sarah to come
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and help us.
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As reporters, we didn't have any
problems with the Spears family because
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were wanting the publicity, because they
knew something bad had happened.
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Friends have rallied around the spheres
and are helping police search for their
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mate. Already 8 ,000 posters have been
distributed, thousands more are being
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printed, a statewide campaign also
underway.
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For those that don't know, it's Acting
Detective Superintendent Paul Ferguson
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for you.
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I was the officer in charge of the
investigation.
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Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you for coming in.
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I have a small release I'll read to
begin with.
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This is an appeal to the mothers and
fathers of the young people that might
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been in the area at the time.
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Claremont was a popular spot with young
people. It was an affluent area, so the
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disappearance of Sarah caused a lot of
concern in the area. So the pressure on
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the inquiry team was quite high at that
particular time.
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Now nine days since Sarah Spears
disappeared after leaving Club Bayview
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Claremont, but there are still no strong
leads.
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She was a country girl. Her and her
sister lived in a house in Perth here,
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if they went out, the sister either went
with her, drove her to the location,
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and then came and picked her up
afterwards, or she got a taxi.
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I must admit that as the hours go by, I
get more and more concerned.
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As the days progressed, the indicators
were that she was...
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more than probably the victim of a
crime.
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That's why the homicide squad took the
investigation on.
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No, I have to tell you, I haven't been
in Baby Territory for about 20 years.
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It just brings back all the trauma.
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I never expected to become the Mayor of
Claremont. The other chap that stood had
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been there 30 years on the council.
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I won by five votes, so here I was
thrust into this situation.
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Club Bay View, they call it, I think,
Club Bay View, somewhere along here. Oh,
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there it is.
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I got the impression that everybody was
enjoying the nightlife and everybody was
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happy and there were no problems.
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Until Sarah disappeared.
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Sarah's evening that night was to go out
with some friends.
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And whatever time it was, she said that
she wanted to go home. So Sarah walked
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about 100 metres down to the corner of
Sealing Highway.
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There's a phone box on the corner.
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She rang a taxi.
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And it took the taxi driver just minutes
to get to the phone box.
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So within minutes of making the phone
call, she was not there.
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It left us with a quandary as to what
happened.
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And if she was abducted, why wasn't
there a scream or that sort of thing?
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We are not aware as to how she left that
area, whether she walked away, whether
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she was left in a car or a cab.
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Police want all cab drivers to volunteer
saliva samples and eliminate themselves
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from the inquiry.
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Those that don't will be tracked down.
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Everybody honed in on it. Was it a rogue
taxi driver? The best way to do that,
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the police said, well, let's DNA test
them all.
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It was, I think, the first mass DNA
testing in Australia.
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Each of the saliva samples will be
processed by the health department's
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laboratories, but completing the DNA
profiles will take several months and
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cost police hundreds of thousands of
dollars.
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You've got to remember, in 1996, when
Sarah went missing...
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It was another era.
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DNA was in its infancy.
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It took four days to get one result back
on a DNA swab.
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We swabbed all taxi drivers, bus
drivers, police officers, ambulance
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anyone that was in a position of
authority.
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that could coax her into the car without
a commotion, we swabbed them for DNA.
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So we found Sarah's body, then we could
link it up.
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I got a call from my news editor, said,
you'll never guess what's happened.
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Another girl's gone missing. They look
very similar.
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Blonde, bubbly, roughly the same age.
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First, the disappearance of another
young Perth woman on Saturday night,
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alarmingly the second to vanish from
Claremont in five months.
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23 -year -old childcare worker Jane
Louise Rimmer was last seen by friends
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outside Claremont's Continental Hotel,
just a block away from the telephone box
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where Sarah Spears disappeared in
January.
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When Jane went, that brought it to
another level. Two similar girls from
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same area.
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The pattern was too strikingly the same
that you knew that something really bad
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was going on here.
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Jane Louise Rimmer spent most of
Saturday night drinking with friends at
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Continental Hotel in Claremont. Police
say she declined her friend's offer to
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share a taxi home when the pub closed at
midnight.
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When she failed to turn up for a family
lunch on Sunday, her parents knew
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something was wrong.
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If she'd made an appointment, she'd
always be there type of thing. So that's
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we're very anxious when she hadn't
turned up by Sunday evening.
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She loves children.
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She loves working with children. She was
quite happy with that lot.
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I guess until she met Mr Wright and had
a family of her own.
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This brave family now calling on the
people of Perth.
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to help them in their hour of need.
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We all went to Jane Remmer's family home
and that was a harrowing interview to
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have to do.
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It's very hard to listen to. It's very
hard to even ask questions sometimes
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because you can feel what they're
feeling.
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Jane, please come home.
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Please come home, Jane. We love you very
much.
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When Jane Rimmer went missing, it was
devastating for the investigative team.
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The day after her disappearance, the
investigation was raised to a task
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macro task force.
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The case now upgraded to a major murder
investigation and linked to the baffling
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disappearance of teenager Sarah Spears
five months ago. The Operation Macro
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Force now concentrating on the
remarkable similarities between the
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disappearance and that of Sarah Spears.
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Both women were of similar appearance,
had been drinking at the same hotel
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earlier in the day and vanished from the
same area.
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With Sarah's disappearance, there was
minimal...
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electronic surveillance around to be
able to support what took place.
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When Jane went missing, there was
cameras out in the footpath, so at least
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we had footage.
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The footage was black and white, grainy.
It was pretty poor.
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But it did capture her interacting with
a broad -shouldered man.
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Clearly she was sharing a joke with him.
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The security camera that captured Jane
was on a circuit, so it only went round
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once every minute or so.
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So while it got her at one stage...
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The next time I did a roundabout one,
she'd gone.
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In Claremont, you expected to know
everyone around you. If you had a circle
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friends, I'd know your circle of
friends. I'd know the people that you
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socialised with.
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Hundreds and hundreds of people had been
in Claremont that night were contacted
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by police and shown the footage.
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But no one can identify this guy.
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It's now nine days since 23 -year -old
childcare worker Jane Rimmer disappeared
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after a night out with friends at
Claremont.
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A quarter of a million posters asking
one simple question.
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Have you seen Jane Rimmer? Are tonight
being distributed all over Australia.
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Printing companies, transport firms and
distribution agencies donating all their
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resources to help find the missing
woman. Her family is overwhelmed by the
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massive show of public support.
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Literally hundreds of people offering.
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Helped from cooking us meals to handing
out the pamphlets.
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It was a frustrating investigation
because we knew the girls were being
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abducted. We knew that they were
probably murdered. We hadn't found their
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bodies. So we were just working on an
area that was frequented by a lot of
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people without any information as to how
the girls...
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That's the area.
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What's gone on with the two women that
have gone missing and all the coverage
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the news and what you hear?
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Yeah, it makes you pretty nervous, yeah,
especially if you're on your own.
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Since the Operation Macro investigation
got underway six weeks ago, police have
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received more than 3 ,600 calls from the
public, 2 ,500 of those developed into
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strong leads.
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We're leaving no stone unturned in
trying to get clues in this case. And
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are clues.
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The Operation Macro Task Force is wading
through hundreds of possible leads, but
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they admit they still have no positive
information about what happened to both
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missing women. The team led by Inspector
Ferguson is now getting down to the
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grinding hard slog of a time -consuming
investigation.
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Most inquiries you have something to
work on, and that something stems from a
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crime scene.
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This one, as I said, there is no crime
scene, and I will be honest, it is very,
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very frustrating work.
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They had no witnesses.
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No one had seen it. They had no idea
who'd done it.
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And then they got a breakthrough.
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Disturbing report sparking a big bush
search in the Perth Hills.
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Residents reported terrified screams for
help on the morning Jane disappeared.
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I remember I was pulled off another
major storey and we were raced up to
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very, very remote area.
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I went in my own car and I just remember
damaging my car because it was so rough
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and rural that it scraped the
undercarriage.
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All the media descended on that area, 40
kilometres south of Perth. It's a
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lonely little area and a lonely little
dirt road going down to the spot.
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This was the first time that we had
realised that, OK, you've got a killer
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Here's her body.
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Police say the body lay face down under
a canopy of twigs and leaves, just
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metres from Woolcoot Road in Weller.
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The police were obviously there. They
were pushing us back.
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They'd set up a bit of a block so we
couldn't get close.
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Was it buried?
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No, the body had not been buried.
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There had been an attempt to conceal the
body.
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The body being found was just
extraordinary because this family were
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along a bush track.
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A chicken had run across the road.
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They'd stopped because the kids wanted
to play with the chicken. The mother in
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the meantime goes into the bush, sees a
lily, a beautiful big white lily, and
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then literally stumbles on Jane Rimmer's
body.
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In the cold and dark, police commenced
their first night watch over the murder
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scene, making sure it remained
untouched.
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She had been there for a couple of
months. It was winter, so her body was
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actually very well preserved.
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Lilies had grown up between her limbs
and she was lying on her back.
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She had a severe wound to her throat.
Her throat had been cut.
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and she had an injury to her right hand
where she'd evidently tried to defend
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herself and been stabbed.
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Detectives carefully removing her naked
body from a waterlogged area of bush
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about 15 metres off the road. Coronial
investigators taking the remains away
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an autopsy.
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I went and saw Jane's parents.
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You know, you're looking someone in the
eye and they're hurting.
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I can't take that pain away.
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So, you know, you try and keep it as
professional as possible,
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but internally you're hurting almost as
much as him because what you're asking
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him is make him hurt more.
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At least we know now and we can put...
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Jane's body to rest.
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Hopefully the higher place up there is a
little bit more bubbly for
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her being there.
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From an investigative point of view, it
gave the investigation team a sense of
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opportunity to be able to now find some
evidence that would identify the
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offender. This has given us an insight
into the person that we were looking
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has put us in a stronger position to
progress with this investigation.
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The fear of a serial killer has put
Claremont locals on alert, and last
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police began a huge security crackdown.
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Scores of officers were on the beat, on
patrol, and recording the movements of
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young women in the area.
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Police fear they're hunting a serial
killer and are taking no chances.
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In central Claremont, 18 officers on
patrol interviewing and recording every
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woman who went to the local Continental
Hotel.
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It's really scary. It doesn't make you
feel very safe here at all. I would come
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out here on my own, that's for sure.
Everyone feels the same. They won't come
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into Claremont at all. Are you scared?
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Definitely.
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The Continental says security is taken
very seriously, with cameras installed
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the footpath outside the pub and in the
car park behind the bottle shop.
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But Claremont Mayor Peter Waggers says
the cameras are of uncertain value.
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The presence of the video camera hasn't
stopped happening again.
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It might, in fact, given people a chance
to pull things to security.
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I think health and safety is the number
one issue for everyone worldwide.
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People want to feel safe and secure.
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They want to feel protected, their
liberty's protected, their rights to
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that freedom.
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As you can appreciate, we've got a lot
of information coming in and if we don't
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know who the offender is, as we don't at
this stage, the next best thing is to
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exclude people that are nominated.
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The Macro Task Force had developed a
thing called a location register, which
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like a great big street directory
photograph of Claremont.
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And there were little dots everywhere.
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Each dot representing a person
interviewed, seven red dots representing
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still to be identified.
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So they end up identifying, I think,
about 2 ,000 people in that little area.
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And they came up with the idea that
there'll be one grey dot that no one can
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name, and that's the bloke we're after.
That's our killer.
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We will speak to a lot of people.
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We will execute a lot of search
warrants.
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There were a lot of leads, but one name
popped up as the prime suspect.
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Everyone knew him. He was a very, very
well -known figure.
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He had a lot of authority, and there are
known serial killers in the world in
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America who work in positions of
authority.
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He got a lot of attention from everybody
because he was the Tremont
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Mayor.
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Do you remember one moment when the
media were under suspicion?
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I can't recall one particular time or
moment when
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that happened. I feel it was a gradual
thing that
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crept up as more and more of the media
started...
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writing these articles full of innuendo
and suspicion, particularly the West
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articles. The West wrote up that I had
refused to cooperate with the police.
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It was so outlandishly unbelievable and
stupid that I didn't think the public
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would believe it. But if you tell a big
enough lie, people will think it must be
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true because it's so big a lie that it
could not be true. I mean, who would
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that up?
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Interestingly, someone at the West
Australian changed the headline between
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editions. They obviously realised that
the first edition was incredibly
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to Peter Wagers, which it was, and
changed it to something slightly less
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damaging.
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Many, many people in Perth believed he
was the killer. He knew Claremont well.
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He had access to it. He lived in
Claremont.
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That doesn't make anyone a killer, but
people put two and two together and came
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up with three.
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However, Peter Wager's name had gone
onto the police file.
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It's now 222 days since Sarah Spears
disappeared from Claremont. Jane Rimmer
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disappeared from the same area 133 days
later.
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If we do have a person out there that is
working to a pattern, it's building up
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to that pattern.
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As we head into warmer weather, the head
of the Operation Macro Task Force
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called on young women to take more care
about their personal safety when going
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out at night.
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The media are an essential part of this
whole investigation.
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Firstly, to keep raising the concerns
for young girls.
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Don't hitchhike.
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Don't go out on your own. The Western
Australian Police Service aren't trying
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advocate that everyone stay home or that
they don't go out and have a good time,
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just that we get the safety message
across.
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Yet, despite the warning, some young
women were prepared to take the risk.
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I don't want the job of having to go and
see their parents and tell the parents
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the bad news.
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They have a responsibility to themselves
and their parents.
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You still see a lot of young ladies
walking around here by themselves and
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into car parks and up alleyways by
themselves too. When you've had a couple
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drinks and that, you don't think about
safety. I just don't think it.
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There was always the fear there was
going to be victim number three or
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number four.
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The Sympathetic Day Parade, a
celebration of Ireland!
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It's happened again.
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First it was Sarah Spears.
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Then Jane Rimmer, now 27 -year -old
Keira Glennon, has gone missing.
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Of Irish ancestry, the young lawyer was
last seen leaving the Continental Hotel
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in Claremont around midnight on Friday.
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The Claremont Strip, magnet for the
young, a place for frivolity. But the
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of a third disappearance sweeps the
precinct.
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This afternoon I was at that party at
two o 'clock and someone was speaking to
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someone on mobile phone and said, my
God, another girl's gone missing. And
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whole atmosphere of the room was like,
oh my God.
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Pretty scary.
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Keira Elish Glennon was celebrating St
Patrick's Day with friends at the
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Continental Hotel.
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She left alone just after midnight,
telling friends she was heading straight
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home.
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Police presume by taxi.
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Well, the fear, of course, is that she's
a 27 -year -old young lady, a career
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woman, a solicitor. She was well aware
of personal safety issues, and it's
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totally out of character for her to not
contact the family.
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When Kira went missing, that kicked me
in the ass. We were
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hoping that even if we couldn't identify
the offender, the amount of pressure,
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media pressure, the person would stop.
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But it didn't.
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Una, my wife, didn't want to come this
morning.
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She is numb with shock.
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And she has asked me to appeal to the
mothers, the
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wives, the girlfriends, the ladies in
the community, who may have a son, a
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husband, a partner, that they notice is
doing something different now or did on
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Saturday morning.
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And Eunice says, please help her. We
were just distraught.
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And, you know, we just need your help.
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And your peers?
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Kira's case was very personal to me
because she had gone through law school
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my oldest son.
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I knew her parents just vaguely from
around the area, so it became even more
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personal and more traumatic.
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We are a strong family, and I don't cry
easily, but Kira's
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alive. We believe that, and we are
confident.
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that the way she's been brought up, she
will fight on, and we're hopeful
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that she will be found at this stage
even.
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No parent who loves their child can even
begin to comprehend the devastating
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thing that this is in any family.
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Cara Glennon was a young woman with a
brilliant career ahead of her. She was
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from...
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Very good family, sophisticated,
vivacious, with an enormous social
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Police are now wading through 11 ,500
pieces of information, including a
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of unconfirmed sightings of the missing
lawyer on the corner of Stirling Highway
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and Bayview Terrace about 15 minutes
after she left the Continental Hotel.
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We have an unconfirmed sighting of
perhaps one of the women getting into a
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vehicle. The last people who saw her
were the guys who were having a
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sitting on a bus stop.
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They actually saw her and shouted out to
her, hey, you know, don't hitchhike.
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And she just sort of, yeah, yeah, type
of thing and kept walking.
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They saw a slow -moving car keeping pace
with her and then pull up further down
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the street.
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And one of them saw Kira leaning into
the passenger side window with her hands
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on her knees, evidently talking to
someone in the car.
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And then he looked away.
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And when he looked back, both the car
and Kira had gone.
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Claremont is a suburb under siege,
targeted by the biggest murder
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in the state's history.
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The Operation Macro Task Force is
working round the clock, now
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more than 10 ,000 pieces of information.
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Police admit the success of the
investigation into the disappearances of
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Glennon and Sarah Spears and the murder
of Jane Rimmer depends totally on
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information from the public.
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You'd expect that somebody would see
something and give you the lead that
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drive the investigation in a particular
direction.
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But that breakthrough,
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wasn't fair.
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Ernie Glennon says her family and the
police need just one vital lead.
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It's now 12 days since Keira
disappeared.
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I am now convinced that we will not be
able to find Keira without help from
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somebody in the community.
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I appeal from the bottom of my heart to
wives, girlfriends, partners, mothers,
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co -workers.
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who may notice something different.
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Some change in behavior or unusual
activity in those around them that they
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may be linked to Keira's disappearance.
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Please tell the police, or if you're
afraid for some reason to contact the
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police, telephone Dennis or myself.
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This is the third time this terrible
thing has happened.
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If the person or persons responsible are
not found by the police, It will
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probably happen again.
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I would not want any mother or any
family to go through the pain and
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sheer heartbreak that Dennis, Denise and
I are experiencing.
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It is as if a piece of us is dying every
day.
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Please help us with any information and
keep praying that we will find Kiel.
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Lastly,
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Kira, if by any chance you're able to
watch this, please hold on.
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Be strong.
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Have faith.
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We will find you.
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Thank you.
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The Yanchep National Park, 50 kilometres
north of Perth, is now the focus of
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WA's biggest murder investigation.
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At first light, dozens of police moved
into the thick acacia scrub beside Pippa
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Dinny Road to begin a massive search of
the area. Detectives rushed to bushland
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north of Perth after a 23 -year -old man
discovered a body late this morning.
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A massive police operation immediately
swung into the area.
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Later this afternoon, police revealing
the full extent of the tragedy.
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00:34:50,810 --> 00:34:54,909
A preliminary investigation has been
revealed the body to be that of a female
458
00:34:54,909 --> 00:34:57,190
and it appears to be that of Kira
Glennon.
459
00:34:57,410 --> 00:35:01,850
The moment word of the body came
through, police rushed to the Glennon
460
00:35:01,850 --> 00:35:07,610
home, dealt the hard task of delivering
the news that a body had been found and
461
00:35:07,610 --> 00:35:08,970
most likely Kira.
462
00:35:09,570 --> 00:35:14,190
Family, friends and workmates are in
disbelief, shocked and devastated.
463
00:35:15,230 --> 00:35:18,690
The body was discovered by, they said, a
bushwalker.
464
00:35:19,390 --> 00:35:23,030
It was actually a boat they called a
bush pirate. He knew someone had planted
465
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:26,070
marijuana there and he was walking
around looking for it. I just thought at
466
00:35:26,070 --> 00:35:28,790
time, no one would have found the body
otherwise.
467
00:35:30,370 --> 00:35:33,430
Roads were closed off for five
kilometres around the scene.
468
00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:36,090
Police and media helicopters hovered
overhead.
469
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:39,070
Forensic experts were brought in to
examine the body.
470
00:35:39,290 --> 00:35:43,570
Keira Glennon's partly clothed body was
found just here in a small clearing
471
00:35:43,570 --> 00:35:47,890
surrounded by acacia trees. The killer
made no attempt to hide his victim.
472
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,240
She put up a hell of a fight. I mean,
she's a diminutive girl, but she was
473
00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:58,800
feisty and she was determined and she
fought back and
474
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,620
she was stabbed in the arm.
475
00:36:04,180 --> 00:36:09,000
At some point, her throat was cut
horribly.
476
00:36:09,580 --> 00:36:13,220
Scientific experts have spent the day at
the killer's dumping ground, sifting
477
00:36:13,220 --> 00:36:17,080
through sand looking for the smallest of
clues. Even the most innocent looking
478
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,880
clue could lead police to the killer. A
discarded soft drink can or even a
479
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,680
cigarette butt. Several neighbours also
came forward, some with information.
480
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,080
One woman told officers she'd seen a man
coming out of the bush acting
481
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,280
suspiciously on Tuesday. She will be
interviewed later.
482
00:36:34,990 --> 00:36:38,910
Pippa Dinny Road is used extensively by
local beachgoers and fishermen.
483
00:36:39,250 --> 00:36:43,310
Police are setting up what they call a
location register in a bid to identify
484
00:36:43,310 --> 00:36:47,030
everyone who may have been using this
road in the last three weeks.
485
00:36:47,350 --> 00:36:51,230
The reason we want to hear from those
people is that they may have seen
486
00:36:51,230 --> 00:36:55,370
something that may mean absolutely
nothing to them, but it could help us to
487
00:36:55,370 --> 00:36:56,370
in the jigsaw puzzle.
488
00:36:57,910 --> 00:37:01,990
After we shot all our vision, everything
we knew, we all did our pieces to
489
00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:06,190
camera. All the media congregated at the
Wanneroo corner of Pippadini Road.
490
00:37:06,810 --> 00:37:12,350
But as they drove out, I noticed that
Paul Ferguson looked really distressed
491
00:37:12,350 --> 00:37:16,230
me. He had a distressed look on his face
and he kept driving.
492
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:25,150
The investigative team were, like me,
shocked.
493
00:37:25,530 --> 00:37:30,510
I felt as though we'd let Keira Glennon
down because we hadn't identified who
494
00:37:30,510 --> 00:37:31,510
the offender was.
495
00:37:37,930 --> 00:37:44,810
As much as you try and you do everything
you can, we let her down.
496
00:37:46,170 --> 00:37:49,490
That's just a personal thing, you know,
you've got to live with that.
497
00:37:57,630 --> 00:38:01,110
He's going to be sitting there thinking,
you know, are these people looking at
498
00:38:01,110 --> 00:38:05,010
what are they thinking? As a result, he
will perspire probably more than normal.
499
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,280
there will be some paranoia there.
500
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,780
The answer is out there.
501
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,060
Someone who is listening has the answer.
502
00:38:32,110 --> 00:38:35,770
Keira Glennon's funeral was like a state
funeral. I've never seen anything like
503
00:38:35,770 --> 00:38:36,770
it.
504
00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:41,770
Among the 1 ,500 mourners, Premier
Richard Court, cabinet ministers, senior
505
00:38:41,770 --> 00:38:46,070
police, the legal fraternity and members
of Perth's Irish community.
506
00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:51,250
Outside broadcast units there filming
both inside and outside.
507
00:38:51,790 --> 00:38:55,290
The whole choir, all her old school
friends there.
508
00:38:59,130 --> 00:39:00,130
God.
509
00:39:00,490 --> 00:39:04,170
came into our garden and picked the most
beautiful rose.
510
00:39:07,070 --> 00:39:12,750
There are no mortal answers for my
family's question, why Kira?
511
00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:17,330
We all want to stop this killing of our
children.
512
00:39:17,930 --> 00:39:24,170
It was one of the most emotional
memorial speeches I've ever heard from
513
00:39:24,170 --> 00:39:25,170
Glennon.
514
00:39:32,210 --> 00:39:36,150
Translated from Gaelic, that means
goodbye for now, my friend, and God
515
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:37,150
you.
516
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:38,510
Thank you.
517
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:45,710
I mean, everybody was in tears.
518
00:39:46,350 --> 00:39:47,970
And he was distraught.
519
00:40:08,460 --> 00:40:10,800
Have you lost faith that this person
might be caught?
520
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:12,840
No.
521
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,820
No, no, not at all.
522
00:40:16,140 --> 00:40:17,260
Justice will prevail.
523
00:40:17,740 --> 00:40:23,600
Dennis Glenn was a very quiet -spoken,
elderly, grey -haired man who had an air
524
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,980
of authority about him and he had an air
of strength and humanity about him.
525
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:33,140
He impressed the police hugely. They
took him into their confidence.
526
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,020
He basically became part of the
investigation.
527
00:40:36,780 --> 00:40:41,260
And he was focused on one thing, and
that was getting justice for his
528
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:47,460
I have still a lot of confidence in the
efforts of the MACRA Task Force, and I'm
529
00:40:47,460 --> 00:40:49,520
confident that whoever did it will be
found.
530
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:55,500
So the police, the way they handled the
media with him was spot on and very
531
00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:58,320
clever because they knew he would get
the media attention.
532
00:40:58,820 --> 00:41:05,080
He never hid from anything, he never
refused, and he was just a delight for a
533
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,080
journo to work with him.
534
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,120
really harrowing circumstances.
535
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,560
I would like to see this chapter brought
to a close, as I'm sure with the other
536
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,780
families, as I'm sure would just the
people and the community of Western
537
00:41:18,780 --> 00:41:19,780
Australia.
538
00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:29,180
More than a year since the first woman
went missing, the pressure is on police
539
00:41:29,180 --> 00:41:31,580
for answers to the three Claremont
abductions.
540
00:41:33,770 --> 00:41:38,410
The pressure on Paul Ferguson and the
police force was palpable.
541
00:41:39,450 --> 00:41:41,210
The people wanted answers.
542
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:47,250
The press wanted answers. Make the
streets safe again. Make Claremont safe
543
00:41:47,250 --> 00:41:49,310
again. Solve this thing.
544
00:41:51,730 --> 00:41:57,750
I don't solve any crimes.
545
00:41:58,630 --> 00:42:00,870
Police officers don't solve crimes.
546
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:02,860
The evidence solves the crime.
547
00:42:03,180 --> 00:42:06,720
We have an enormous amount of
information that we're working on.
548
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,800
You just keep putting the picture
together.
549
00:42:09,540 --> 00:42:13,960
Despite spending more than $2 million
and questioning thousands of people,
550
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:16,880
police seem no closer to catching the
killer.
551
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,280
It wasn't like any other murder
investigation.
552
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:25,220
Claremont had everything thrown at it as
far as resources, the number of police
553
00:42:25,220 --> 00:42:28,940
involved in the Claremont investigation,
everything focused on.
554
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,680
The macro task force searched swamps and
lakes.
555
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,240
Security stepped up in Claremont.
556
00:42:35,660 --> 00:42:38,900
Taxi drivers checked. Most were DNA
tested.
557
00:42:39,260 --> 00:42:42,280
The investigative team fluctuated up to
300.
558
00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:47,160
When you did the DNA swabs, there was an
enormous amount of people.
559
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,580
When you did the door knocks on all of
the houses in the proximity of the
560
00:42:51,580 --> 00:42:53,520
nightclub, you brought people in.
561
00:42:54,380 --> 00:42:56,340
With the new case comes a reward.
562
00:42:56,860 --> 00:43:00,400
$250 ,000 to bring a serial killer to
justice.
563
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:04,400
This is the largest amount that has ever
been offered for a reward.
564
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:11,100
Had the Premier offer a massive reward,
the whole direction and scope
565
00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:17,180
of the place had been amplified,
accelerated, driven.
566
00:43:17,620 --> 00:43:21,820
Rewards are rarely posted so early in
major investigations. The hunt for the
567
00:43:21,820 --> 00:43:24,200
Claremont serial killer is a special
case.
568
00:43:25,610 --> 00:43:29,410
The investigators have swooped on a key
suspect after a major undercover
569
00:43:29,410 --> 00:43:33,770
operation. Targeting a man who'd been
under constant surveillance for months,
570
00:43:33,770 --> 00:43:37,950
was finally intercepted by police in a
Claremont area early on Sunday morning.
571
00:43:38,070 --> 00:43:42,990
The task force of Perth's top detectives
has had one man as the prime suspect in
572
00:43:42,990 --> 00:43:45,630
WA's most intensive serial murder
inquiry.
573
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,880
Sorry to worry you. Judy Allen, I've
spoken to you a few times today on the
574
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,360
phone. I just really wanted to ask you a
few questions. Are you the serial
575
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,359
killer? No.
576
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:00,360
Are you innocent?
577
00:44:00,460 --> 00:44:04,620
Yes. The thing that I think people, I
guess, don't understand is why were you
578
00:44:04,620 --> 00:44:07,080
following women around Claremont in your
car?
579
00:44:09,540 --> 00:44:14,500
I just went coming home from Claremont,
you know, as I do quite often.
580
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:20,320
And when I saw a lady approaching the
car saying,
581
00:44:21,050 --> 00:44:22,890
I wear the buses and that.
582
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:27,510
I thought, well, that's, you know, I
said, by that time of night, there's no
583
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:28,510
buses.
584
00:44:28,730 --> 00:44:33,930
I never had any intention at all on any
other occasions when I saw women walking
585
00:44:33,930 --> 00:44:34,930
in that area.
586
00:44:35,570 --> 00:44:41,050
All I had was concern, you know, that
there's women walking around Claremont
587
00:44:41,050 --> 00:44:45,250
their own late at night, especially from
what had happened all the years before,
588
00:44:45,330 --> 00:44:46,330
you know.
589
00:44:47,570 --> 00:44:50,370
Since April, police have followed his
every move.
590
00:44:50,750 --> 00:44:53,450
from his work to the home he shares with
his parents.
591
00:44:54,370 --> 00:44:58,230
41 -year -old Lance Williams has been
under day and night surveillance.
592
00:45:00,370 --> 00:45:02,890
He lives in a beachfront unit in
Cottesloe.
593
00:45:03,090 --> 00:45:04,950
That unit was searched on the weekend.
594
00:45:05,310 --> 00:45:09,490
Forensic police, including a blood
spatter expert, spent most of the night
595
00:45:09,490 --> 00:45:12,310
searching the beachside flat owned by
the prime suspect.
596
00:45:12,690 --> 00:45:17,630
They raided his flat. They raided his
parents' house. They raided his
597
00:45:18,460 --> 00:45:22,820
They even took the carpets out of his
car and out of the boot, and replaced
598
00:45:22,820 --> 00:45:24,540
with new ones, so he wouldn't know.
599
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,820
Lance, I'll ask you again, because it's
what everyone will want to know. Are you
600
00:45:31,820 --> 00:45:33,520
the serial killer? No, I'm not.
601
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:40,500
No. I mean, I went in voluntary to do a
test at the police station.
602
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:43,280
I just wanted to, because the police
were...
603
00:45:44,020 --> 00:45:50,100
Parked over across from my parents'
house on weekends and, you know, sort of
604
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:51,960
waiting for me at work and that.
605
00:45:52,860 --> 00:45:57,460
I just thought, well, I'll just go in
there, do the test, because I had
606
00:45:57,460 --> 00:45:58,460
to hide, you know.
607
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,220
The claim on serial killings has become
Australia's longest unsolved murder
608
00:46:09,220 --> 00:46:10,220
inquiry.
609
00:46:10,350 --> 00:46:13,810
For a number of years, police have
closely monitored one suspect.
610
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:18,030
The Cottesloe man was put under around
-the -clock surveillance, which
611
00:46:18,030 --> 00:46:19,230
for several years.
612
00:46:19,530 --> 00:46:24,910
We have not resolved this issue, and we
all are fully aware of the fact that if
613
00:46:24,910 --> 00:46:28,050
we don't resolve this issue, that there
will be more people that will lose their
614
00:46:28,050 --> 00:46:32,350
lives. Dave Caporn, he threw everything
he could at investigating this person.
615
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:34,240
He's got no evidence.
616
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,560
Officers from the macro task force and
forensic investigators arrived
617
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,040
unannounced this morning at the main
suspect's Cottesloe home.
618
00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:45,980
The police still suspected him because
they said since Lance Williams was being
619
00:46:45,980 --> 00:46:49,860
observed 24 -7, there have been no more
killings. And that was their main
620
00:46:49,860 --> 00:46:53,340
premise. The investigation's been
running for quite a while. The forensic
621
00:46:53,340 --> 00:46:57,560
reviewers identified specific areas of
inquiry that really need to be
622
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:03,180
Speaking from behind a closed door, the
man's mother says she hopes this new
623
00:47:03,180 --> 00:47:06,960
flurry of police activity will put an
end to years of torment.
624
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,580
We've had no involvement and I think
that's what keeps us going because we
625
00:47:11,580 --> 00:47:12,960
he's had nothing to do with it.
626
00:47:14,500 --> 00:47:17,880
Every Australia Day, which became very
significant because it was the day that
627
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,380
Sarah Spears disappeared, I'd go and
knock on...
628
00:47:20,620 --> 00:47:23,500
his door and sometimes he'd be there and
sometimes he wasn't. This time he was
629
00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:28,440
there and he invited me in. We sat down
and we talked for hours and I came away
630
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,840
from the interview convinced that Lance
Williams was not the guy, so much so
631
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:36,340
that I rang the Glennons and said I have
great doubts about this Lance Williams
632
00:47:36,340 --> 00:47:38,740
because they were putting all of their
hopes into Lance Williams.
633
00:47:39,020 --> 00:47:43,460
This person remains to be a significant
person of interest. However, he is not
634
00:47:43,460 --> 00:47:47,600
the only person being investigated by
the Macro Task Force.
635
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,560
When police initially closed in on Lance
Williams, Peter Wagers spoke out in
636
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,560
defence of his rights. Now he himself is
under the spotlight.
637
00:48:02,780 --> 00:48:06,780
The Macro Task Force and forensics
officers descended on his Richardson
638
00:48:06,780 --> 00:48:11,060
property at around 11 o 'clock this
morning, raiding the home in a bid to
639
00:48:11,060 --> 00:48:15,920
any clue to the disappearances of Sarah
Spears, Jane Rimmer and Keira Glennon.
640
00:48:16,060 --> 00:48:19,720
Police say their search is a significant
development in the eight -year -old
641
00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:20,720
murder investigation.
642
00:48:21,140 --> 00:48:22,580
Mr Wagers is...
643
00:48:23,950 --> 00:48:26,210
a person who is of interest to this
investigation.
644
00:48:26,690 --> 00:48:31,330
Shortly before following repeated
refusals, Mr Wagers was forced to give a
645
00:48:31,330 --> 00:48:35,930
sample. Visibly shaken, he collapses on
his front porch, close to being
646
00:48:35,930 --> 00:48:36,930
physically ill.
647
00:48:37,010 --> 00:48:41,350
I remember seeing 11 forensic officers
scouring the place, pulling out
648
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:46,830
pulling out carpets, taking off the
towels off the roof, digging in the
649
00:48:46,830 --> 00:48:47,830
with probes.
650
00:48:49,550 --> 00:48:53,290
Just thinking about it now, yeah.
651
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:55,260
I just don't want to think about it.
652
00:48:57,500 --> 00:49:01,180
Now that the van called out, is he under
arrest?
653
00:49:02,380 --> 00:49:04,300
Crane said, no.
654
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,800
All right, Peter, come out. You can talk
to us.
655
00:49:08,220 --> 00:49:12,600
He confronted him and saying, are you a
suspect? Did you do it? Why are you
656
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:13,399
being questioned?
657
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:14,800
Why are they raiding your house?
658
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:22,040
There were no charges. They just said I
was under arrest. But they then told the
659
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,040
press I wasn't under arrest.
660
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,560
I firmly believe that someone who had
encountered him earlier in his life had
661
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:34,140
grudge against him. And this person sent
a large number of emails to the police
662
00:49:34,140 --> 00:49:35,140
about him.
663
00:49:36,580 --> 00:49:40,900
I'm convinced that that's what led the
police to him.
664
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:46,700
If at the end of the day there's no
evidence there that links an individual
665
00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:49,040
the case, then we've really got to move
on.
666
00:49:49,930 --> 00:49:54,610
After several years of investigation,
the macro task force, Australia's
667
00:49:54,610 --> 00:49:58,110
and most expensive manhunt, was almost
disbanded.
668
00:49:58,950 --> 00:50:03,910
Paul Ferguson had been taken off the
case and then as far as the media went,
669
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:04,910
thought it had gone cold.
670
00:50:08,430 --> 00:50:12,410
I think it was August 2003 I was
assigned to this story.
671
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:16,730
I knew about the Claremont murders, I
knew there was a serial killer at large.
672
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,800
But the thing that was worrying me is,
like, what can I do for this story?
673
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:26,780
it wasn't like anyone had come to us
with a hot tip or a lead or something
674
00:50:26,780 --> 00:50:31,120
specific to investigate. It was like a
story about the Claremont murders that
675
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:35,560
had been unsolved for almost eight years
at that point. It was abundantly clear
676
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,200
they believed Lance Williams was their
man.
677
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:43,360
But they didn't have the evidence to
arrest him. They couldn't find anything.
678
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:49,340
They'd sprayed his home with luminol.
They'd raked over his car and his
679
00:50:49,340 --> 00:50:52,920
and things so many times and he just
could not... They had nothing.
680
00:50:53,660 --> 00:50:56,580
There had to be a new way of looking at
this.
681
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,580
We didn't very often have serial killers
on the loose in Australia.
682
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:05,060
So I thought, how do they manage cases
like this overseas?
683
00:51:05,860 --> 00:51:11,320
The Yorkshire Ripper, a story of 13
killings, seven ferocious attacks and a
684
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,580
gruesome game of hide -and -seek with
the police.
685
00:51:13,820 --> 00:51:16,680
that lasted for six long and terrifying
years.
686
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:22,800
The National Crime and Operations
Faculty in the UK was formed after the
687
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:23,920
Yorkshire Ripper case.
688
00:51:24,220 --> 00:51:27,600
A quarter of a million names were
individually filed on cards.
689
00:51:28,620 --> 00:51:31,560
More than 30 ,000 statements were taken.
690
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,760
In the end, Sutcliffe was caught quite
by chance.
691
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:40,180
Once they had apprehended the Yorkshire
Ripper, they looked back over the case
692
00:51:40,180 --> 00:51:43,880
because he'd gone on killing and they'd
had all the evidence there all along.
693
00:51:43,980 --> 00:51:46,040
They should have been able to apprehend
him.
694
00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:54,080
For Australian Story, I interviewed
David Barclay from the National Crime
695
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,240
Operations Faculty in the UK.
696
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,800
He was a very highly respected forensic
investigator.
697
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,260
From what we've seen of what's been
done, it's been pretty good and pretty
698
00:52:04,260 --> 00:52:05,260
offensive.
699
00:52:05,450 --> 00:52:09,290
The thing that hasn't been done, I
think, is this giant workshop where we
700
00:52:09,290 --> 00:52:10,129
get together.
701
00:52:10,130 --> 00:52:14,170
He told me about the whole case review
system in the UK where you bring in a
702
00:52:14,170 --> 00:52:19,150
whole range of experts of whatever type
of expert you need and put them all
703
00:52:19,150 --> 00:52:24,070
together in a room where they brainstorm
the whole thing together and new fresh
704
00:52:24,070 --> 00:52:27,330
eyes find things that have been
overlooked on occasion.
705
00:52:27,790 --> 00:52:33,370
Like, it just made so much sense to me
that this whole case review system that
706
00:52:33,370 --> 00:52:34,370
they use in the UK...
707
00:52:34,940 --> 00:52:40,660
was such an obvious way forward the
parameters are that it is a search for
708
00:52:40,660 --> 00:52:45,820
every single time sometimes you get so
ingrained you can't see the wood for the
709
00:52:45,820 --> 00:52:49,880
trees you get so close you may have
tunnel vision as well so you need
710
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:55,300
come in and say step back within a few
weeks of our program going to air
711
00:52:56,250 --> 00:53:00,670
WA Police announced that there would be
a whole case review of Claremont and
712
00:53:00,670 --> 00:53:04,050
that Professor Barclay would be among
the people coming to be part of that
713
00:53:04,050 --> 00:53:05,050
review team.
714
00:53:06,070 --> 00:53:10,470
Today, senior police confirmed the
formation of the international team of
715
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:11,470
homicide experts.
716
00:53:11,890 --> 00:53:16,570
The team of two British forensic experts
and a serial murder specialist from New
717
00:53:16,570 --> 00:53:21,050
South Wales will be led by
Superintendent Paul Schramm, who solved
718
00:53:21,050 --> 00:53:23,170
Australia's notorious Snowtown murders.
719
00:53:23,710 --> 00:53:27,190
Police hope the independent review
bringing together some of the world's
720
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:28,930
experts will lead to a breakthrough.
721
00:53:29,230 --> 00:53:32,750
After this length of time and the amount
of work that's already gone into it, we
722
00:53:32,750 --> 00:53:35,250
know that the usual suspects have
already been rounded up.
723
00:53:35,550 --> 00:53:37,770
What we're looking for is extra
opportunities.
724
00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:50,230
The Claremont Killer Review Panel of
five national and international experts
725
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:54,650
have spent 26 days reviewing every
aspect of the Claremont serial murder
726
00:53:54,650 --> 00:54:00,010
investigation. After studying almost 40
,000 pieces of evidence, they raised the
727
00:54:00,010 --> 00:54:04,690
possibility of solving the disappearance
of Sarah Spears and murders of Jane
728
00:54:04,690 --> 00:54:06,110
Rimmer and Keira Glennon.
729
00:54:06,330 --> 00:54:11,810
FBI -trained serial crime profiler
Joelle Kohout has given WA police a
730
00:54:11,810 --> 00:54:14,430
insight. In this case, this is an
organised offender.
731
00:54:15,020 --> 00:54:18,700
This is somebody who's put some planning
into these crimes. He's methodical.
732
00:54:19,460 --> 00:54:23,580
Probably looks very normal on the
surface. Might have a, you know, a
733
00:54:23,660 --> 00:54:24,660
No problems with employment.
734
00:54:25,140 --> 00:54:29,460
The macro review team claim they've
identified several new lines of inquiry
735
00:54:29,460 --> 00:54:30,460
be investigated.
736
00:54:30,540 --> 00:54:33,040
And bore the recommendations from the
review team.
737
00:54:33,660 --> 00:54:35,580
Look at it with a fresh eye.
738
00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:41,520
And please give it your best shot to try
and solve it. So when I got appointed
739
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,580
as a deputy commissioner in 2004,
740
00:54:44,300 --> 00:54:48,420
One of the views I took very early on is
about cold case.
741
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:53,760
Now, that didn't sit well with me and
never has, because in cases such as
742
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:54,840
they're never cold.
743
00:54:55,180 --> 00:55:00,200
Mr Dawson said the review had identified
several avenues of inquiry that needed
744
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:01,200
further scrutiny.
745
00:55:01,380 --> 00:55:05,500
We strongly believe that it's proper
that we follow these things down, so we
746
00:55:05,500 --> 00:55:10,380
still believe there is room for us to
make some further investigation, and of
747
00:55:10,380 --> 00:55:11,380
course we're hopeful.
748
00:55:11,790 --> 00:55:17,470
I received the outcomes of the SRAM
review, and one of the key elements that
749
00:55:17,470 --> 00:55:21,910
emerge from that was a focus on the
forensic side of the investigation.
750
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:28,510
So whenever I saw the evidence from the
90s, I guess my first impression would
751
00:55:28,510 --> 00:55:32,270
be that the size and the scale of the
operation was overwhelming.
752
00:55:32,810 --> 00:55:38,170
And it was evident from what I could see
that the forensic officers had done a
753
00:55:38,170 --> 00:55:39,170
terrific job
754
00:55:40,940 --> 00:55:43,520
the evidence that they could from the
scenes.
755
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:49,180
But there was opportunities that still
existed, which the forensic officers of
756
00:55:49,180 --> 00:55:52,380
the day wouldn't have dreamt possible
back in the 90s.
757
00:55:52,940 --> 00:55:59,900
The location of Keira Glennon in
Eglinton indicated that there may have
758
00:55:59,900 --> 00:56:02,220
been some sort of struggle.
759
00:56:03,050 --> 00:56:07,390
Keira Glennon's partly clothed body was
found just here in a small clearing
760
00:56:07,390 --> 00:56:08,870
surrounded by acacia trees.
761
00:56:09,110 --> 00:56:11,750
The killer made no attempt to hide his
victim.
762
00:56:15,210 --> 00:56:21,530
Fingernail scrapings in this case became
vitally important as if you can imagine
763
00:56:21,530 --> 00:56:28,310
someone fighting for their life
essentially they may have scratched the
764
00:56:28,310 --> 00:56:31,710
offender. Back in 1997 DNA
765
00:56:32,510 --> 00:56:38,710
Being in its infancy, the fingernail
scrapings would have been too small for
766
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:42,210
meaningful DNA analysis, and they were
just stored.
767
00:56:43,630 --> 00:56:49,410
And when they explained to me that these
were scrapings from Keira's
768
00:56:49,410 --> 00:56:55,850
fingernails, I was very quickly
satisfied that this was a really
769
00:56:55,850 --> 00:57:01,430
development that we needed to optimise,
and cost was never...
770
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:10,160
In 2009, the UK was seen as a world
leader in DNA analysis,
771
00:57:10,340 --> 00:57:15,960
and we sent samples there to be looked
at using LCN method.
772
00:57:16,300 --> 00:57:22,860
LCN is low copy number. It basically
only needs a very minute portion of
773
00:57:22,860 --> 00:57:25,720
DNA material to produce results.
774
00:57:26,140 --> 00:57:30,700
When we got the DNA results back, that
dramatically shifted.
775
00:57:31,370 --> 00:57:33,730
the pitch and the direction of the
investigation.
776
00:57:40,090 --> 00:57:43,110
That's the story that changed everything
in the Claremont case.
777
00:57:44,370 --> 00:57:49,050
It was a big decision to print this
information that was very, very
778
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:55,210
The story revealed for the first time
that the person who had murdered Keira
779
00:57:55,210 --> 00:58:00,070
Glennon was the same man who had
attacked a young woman, abducted her.
780
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,840
taken her to Karakata Cemetery and
sexually assaulted her a year before
781
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,740
went missing and that was connected by
DNA evidence.
782
00:58:08,060 --> 00:58:12,000
And that changed everything because now
they had a living, walking, talking
783
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,580
witness who had seen the Claremont
serial killer.
784
00:58:14,780 --> 00:58:19,160
So find the person who committed the
Karakata abduction and you had the
785
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:20,160
Claremont serial killer.
786
00:58:20,910 --> 00:58:25,230
The report in a suburban newspaper says
police were conducting a cold case
787
00:58:25,230 --> 00:58:30,630
review of LinkedIn was Glennon's death
in 1997 with the unsolved abduction and
788
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:36,470
rape of a 17 year old girl. That crime
happened in 1995 before any of the three
789
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:42,270
women disappeared. She was pulled
ambushed from the street in Claremont,
790
00:58:42,270 --> 00:58:46,770
hood pulled over her head, hog tied and
thrown into the back of a van and taken
791
00:58:46,770 --> 00:58:47,770
to a cemetery.
792
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,300
It was a terrifically violent, really
brutal attack.
793
00:58:52,940 --> 00:58:58,240
For some reason, he went away and she
escaped and ran to the Hollywood
794
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:02,560
area where she hid it. But she reported
seeing a white van with some sort of
795
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,920
logo on the side, trawling up backwards
and forwards looking for her.
796
00:59:06,500 --> 00:59:11,980
When we got the DNA results back, it
confirmed that we had a definitive link.
797
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:19,220
between a crime where we had a living
witness, a young, very brave woman who
798
00:59:19,220 --> 00:59:23,660
reported a sexual assault and an
abduction from the Claremont area at
799
00:59:24,380 --> 00:59:29,480
She had accurately described to us how
she had been abducted.
800
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,040
We knew the type of vehicle in some
form.
801
00:59:35,260 --> 00:59:41,400
We also knew the means by which the
offender had abducted her.
802
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,840
We just needed to identify who this
person was.
803
00:59:55,780 --> 01:00:01,380
In June 2015, I received a phone call
from the then superintendent in charge
804
01:00:01,380 --> 01:00:04,740
Special Crime Division, which look at
cold case homicides.
805
01:00:05,300 --> 01:00:08,980
And he said, I want you to work on the
Claremont serial killer case.
806
01:00:09,500 --> 01:00:10,540
I've got a job for you.
807
01:00:13,290 --> 01:00:17,150
And it wasn't until I actually started
to unpack and look at the investigation
808
01:00:17,150 --> 01:00:22,250
and what had been done over the
preceding, you know, nearly 20 -odd
809
01:00:22,250 --> 01:00:28,310
that stage, started to get a sense of
the enormity of it and how much had been
810
01:00:28,310 --> 01:00:33,310
done over those years. You know, you're
looking at nearly 20 to 50 times the
811
01:00:33,310 --> 01:00:35,070
standard homicide investigation.
812
01:00:35,570 --> 01:00:41,470
In 2015, we knew the DNA profile for the
offender, but we didn't know the
813
01:00:41,470 --> 01:00:47,740
person. So it was about looking at what
does WA Police hold that can help us put
814
01:00:47,740 --> 01:00:48,860
a name to that profile.
815
01:00:49,620 --> 01:00:56,320
We were looking for unsolved crimes or
even solved crimes where there
816
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:57,860
was a forensic opportunity.
817
01:00:59,060 --> 01:01:03,620
So while we concentrated on Claremont
first, we gradually moved it out further
818
01:01:03,620 --> 01:01:04,519
and further.
819
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:09,520
In early 2016, an item of clothing...
820
01:01:09,900 --> 01:01:14,000
that had been held in our storage, was
sent off to the labs for DNA testing.
821
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:22,280
I received a phone call to inform me
that a DNA profile had been generated.
822
01:01:24,700 --> 01:01:29,280
And he rang me at home and he said, I
said, you see you sitting down type
823
01:01:29,340 --> 01:01:32,400
And I went, yeah, what's going on? He
said, I just received a phone call from
824
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,600
the lab and they've got another hit.
825
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,320
And it was like, what do you mean
another hit?
826
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:39,580
He goes, we've got a DNA match.
827
01:01:41,140 --> 01:01:44,880
It goes back to a 1988 attack on a woman
in Huntingdale.
828
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,040
It was a bit of an oh shit moment.
829
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,660
I said, are you sure? And he goes, I'm
100 % sure.
830
01:01:54,180 --> 01:01:56,980
So this item of material clothing was a
kimono.
831
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,280
We have another DNA profile.
832
01:02:01,820 --> 01:02:02,960
We don't have a name.
833
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:10,540
A huge amount of work went into locating
the owner of that DNA profile.
834
01:02:16,540 --> 01:02:20,020
In late 2016, there was a breakthrough.
835
01:02:20,500 --> 01:02:26,640
The kimono was from a burglary and a sex
offence in Huntingdale in 1988.
836
01:02:27,300 --> 01:02:32,400
The result has come back, and that
result showed that the stains on the
837
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,300
matched the DNA.
838
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:38,970
from the Claremont and the Karrakatta
incidents.
839
01:02:40,410 --> 01:02:43,730
So now we've got another link, but we
still don't have a name.
840
01:02:46,210 --> 01:02:51,110
Once that DNA match came through, it was
about sitting down and looking at,
841
01:02:51,210 --> 01:02:52,390
right, what do we know?
842
01:02:52,970 --> 01:02:57,950
So let's have a look at 1988
Huntingdale. What do we know about 1988
843
01:02:57,950 --> 01:02:58,950
Huntingdale?
844
01:03:01,790 --> 01:03:03,730
We discovered that there was this...
845
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:08,460
A person breaking into houses, stealing
underwear, stealing items of clothing
846
01:03:08,460 --> 01:03:09,399
from lines.
847
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:14,880
There was some 24 to 26 offences in a
short period of time, which had similar
848
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:15,880
descriptions for the offender.
849
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,060
It was 1988.
850
01:03:26,580 --> 01:03:32,420
I was 24 or 25 and I was divorced with
two children.
851
01:03:33,930 --> 01:03:38,410
Being a single mother wasn't that
common, I suppose, in those days.
852
01:03:39,710 --> 01:03:44,450
I'd just bought a house in Huntingdale,
which I was very proud.
853
01:03:44,930 --> 01:03:50,850
It was a lovely, lovely little place and
as young as I was, I thought the kids
854
01:03:50,850 --> 01:03:57,830
could grow up there and it was a nice
area with nice people and that's where
855
01:03:57,830 --> 01:03:58,830
we were going to stay.
856
01:03:59,550 --> 01:04:01,250
I'd just had the phone put in.
857
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:07,500
I wasn't comfortable with the guy that
did it. I couldn't wait for him to go.
858
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:15,220
And I didn't like him being there, so
that's why I've decided to myself that
859
01:04:15,220 --> 01:04:16,220
was probably him.
860
01:04:16,780 --> 01:04:20,140
That's how he found me, if you like.
861
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:28,400
I'd just got home from work in the
evening because I worked in a bottle
862
01:04:28,740 --> 01:04:32,020
I'd let the cat out because it had
kittens and...
863
01:04:32,490 --> 01:04:35,130
That's why the door was open. That's how
he got in.
864
01:04:35,350 --> 01:04:39,270
I was just coming out of the shower and
he was in my toilet.
865
01:04:39,630 --> 01:04:46,610
He had a woman's nightie on and what I
think were undies on
866
01:04:46,610 --> 01:04:47,509
his head.
867
01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:51,350
At first I thought it was a joke when I
saw him.
868
01:04:51,550 --> 01:04:56,530
I couldn't see his full face, but you
could see his eyes.
869
01:04:56,770 --> 01:05:00,610
They were dark, clearly to match his
soul.
870
01:05:04,270 --> 01:05:11,210
And then he pushed me against the wall
and had a
871
01:05:11,210 --> 01:05:12,870
fractured skull.
872
01:05:13,930 --> 01:05:19,810
And I fell onto the floor and he was
beating me.
873
01:05:22,610 --> 01:05:28,650
Oddly, I thought he wanted the kids, so
I did think he'd have to kill me
874
01:05:28,650 --> 01:05:33,370
before he would get to the children. So
that's what probably...
875
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:38,680
Protected me with that maternal instinct
to protect your children.
876
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:45,880
I kneed him in the groin and he got off
and ran out the back door. And
877
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:52,600
it wasn't until I saw myself that I
realised how bad it was because my face
878
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:59,540
wasn't recognisable because it was so
swollen and the bruises and the
879
01:05:59,540 --> 01:06:01,300
two black eyes were not, you know.
880
01:06:03,260 --> 01:06:06,180
So he was very brutal, he was very
strong.
881
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:11,760
I think if I lived somewhere, a better
suburb, there would have perhaps been
882
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,500
more resources put into looking for him.
883
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:22,460
But certainly being from Huntingdale,
single mum, I don't think there was any
884
01:06:22,460 --> 01:06:25,880
importance placed on it that there
should have been.
885
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:30,780
And the police didn't tell me at the
time that I was one of many.
886
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:33,900
I didn't know that till recently.
887
01:06:36,980 --> 01:06:39,840
So the hunting down Prowler was
something that was new to us.
888
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:44,160
And most people that worked on macro,
you know, it's a bit too early for their
889
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:45,160
time.
890
01:06:45,380 --> 01:06:51,200
There were a number of offences and some
of them, the same house was targeted
891
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:52,200
multiple times.
892
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:57,480
So one particular house, the woman who
lived in this house, she was subject to
893
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,280
four different incidents over a couple
of months period.
894
01:07:02,190 --> 01:07:08,430
We now had another series of offences to
look at and possibly identify the
895
01:07:08,430 --> 01:07:10,390
offender through another means.
896
01:07:11,130 --> 01:07:15,270
And what we were able to do is we were
able to actually find fingerprints
897
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:20,490
by the police from that era and then we
took those fingerprints and we did a
898
01:07:20,490 --> 01:07:23,090
manual search against the fingerprint
database.
899
01:07:23,650 --> 01:07:28,650
That's one of those moments in time that
you don't forget when the fingerprints
900
01:07:28,650 --> 01:07:31,290
came back and there was a match.
901
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:38,840
We realised that he had a prior
conviction for a 1990 offence that
902
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:43,000
Hollywood Hospital where a social worker
was assaulted.
903
01:07:49,460 --> 01:07:55,420
I worked as a senior social worker at
Hollywood Hospital, working in the
904
01:07:55,420 --> 01:07:56,460
palliative care unit.
905
01:07:57,070 --> 01:08:01,690
working with people who were coming to
the end of their lives and I loved my
906
01:08:01,690 --> 01:08:08,070
work. The day that it happened, it was
just a normal working day for me and I
907
01:08:08,070 --> 01:08:14,410
was working alone in the office and I
had my back to the door of the ward.
908
01:08:14,950 --> 01:08:18,590
I heard this voice say, can I use the
toilet?
909
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:25,290
And I half turned around and I glanced
and it was a, I saw it was a telecom
910
01:08:25,290 --> 01:08:26,290
worker.
911
01:08:26,510 --> 01:08:29,830
And I just sort of said, yes, sure.
912
01:08:30,210 --> 01:08:33,770
And I heard him go behind me.
913
01:08:34,609 --> 01:08:37,350
And as he went behind me, I thought,
that's strange.
914
01:08:38,050 --> 01:08:40,390
That just really doesn't feel right.
915
01:08:41,029 --> 01:08:47,970
I can't even describe the force and the
power with which he
916
01:08:47,970 --> 01:08:48,868
attacked me.
917
01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:51,670
A hand came over my face.
918
01:08:51,970 --> 01:08:54,710
My head snapped back. He started to pull
me up on my chair.
919
01:08:55,260 --> 01:08:59,340
He was pulling me back towards the
toilet and then all of a sudden
920
01:08:59,340 --> 01:09:00,340
stopped.
921
01:09:00,899 --> 01:09:05,779
And he was just standing there.
922
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:10,779
I looked directly at him and he was
saying, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
923
01:09:11,220 --> 01:09:14,920
It was almost like a, I better fix this,
I better fix this somehow.
924
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:19,920
It was, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
It's like a panicky realisation.
925
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:30,120
somebody who I understood to be a
telecom manager. I'm pretty sure it was
926
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:37,120
police station. Of course, Telstra was
once telecom
927
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:43,620
and it was telecom when he actually
attacked me and
928
01:09:43,620 --> 01:09:49,240
telecom apologised for what they called
an incident
929
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:53,319
and I tried to explain to them that I...
930
01:09:53,710 --> 01:10:00,630
had bruising on my neck, that I was
traumatised, that I thought
931
01:10:00,630 --> 01:10:01,730
I was going to die.
932
01:10:01,990 --> 01:10:08,970
But nobody was listening to what I was
saying. They were more
933
01:10:08,970 --> 01:10:15,970
interested in explaining to me that this
934
01:10:15,970 --> 01:10:19,750
person that had attacked me had...
935
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:28,720
was having relationship problems, that
he had snapped, somehow snapped.
936
01:10:29,980 --> 01:10:34,480
And that was why he'd attacked me.
937
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:42,420
And it was when I found out that he had
only been charged with
938
01:10:42,420 --> 01:10:49,080
commoner thought that I really lost it.
I became quite hysterical.
939
01:10:50,350 --> 01:10:55,190
I left my job and I just moved in
completely different directions.
940
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:59,770
I just buried it and got on with my
life.
941
01:11:00,250 --> 01:11:06,590
So you can imagine the absolute shock
and horror that
942
01:11:06,590 --> 01:11:13,370
resurfaced when the WA police rang me
and told me
943
01:11:13,370 --> 01:11:17,210
that this person that had attacked me
had been arrested.
944
01:11:18,510 --> 01:11:20,350
for the Claremont serial killings.
945
01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:29,730
Today, a major breakthrough in the
longest -running and most expensive
946
01:11:29,730 --> 01:11:34,570
investigation in Australia's history. A
major breakthrough WA police have been
947
01:11:34,570 --> 01:11:36,110
waiting 20 years for.
948
01:11:36,370 --> 01:11:40,490
So the arrest happened really quickly,
and I mean very quickly, within 24 hours
949
01:11:40,490 --> 01:11:41,630
of getting the name.
950
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:46,870
It was a high risk in that entry.
951
01:11:47,550 --> 01:11:52,450
So we brought the tactical response
group in to do that and it had to be
952
01:11:52,450 --> 01:11:53,970
dynamic and quick.
953
01:11:59,970 --> 01:12:04,670
Neighbours say his daughter, now in her
20s, remained by his side, still living
954
01:12:04,670 --> 01:12:08,930
at home. It was her screams residents
heard yesterday morning when he was
955
01:12:08,930 --> 01:12:13,650
arrested. His whole demeanour was like
this shock and surprise, what do you
956
01:12:13,650 --> 01:12:17,950
mean? And his response was... You know,
this is not possible. You've got the
957
01:12:17,950 --> 01:12:18,950
wrong guy type thing.
958
01:12:19,090 --> 01:12:23,130
Residents who've lived across the street
for almost 20 years say they had no
959
01:12:23,130 --> 01:12:28,090
idea their quiet and placid neighbours
could be accused of such horrific crime.
960
01:12:28,510 --> 01:12:32,530
When we found the name out, it was not a
name that had been anywhere on anyone's
961
01:12:32,530 --> 01:12:36,710
radar. It was not a well -known
convicted criminal. It was not Peter
962
01:12:36,710 --> 01:12:37,810
was not Lance Windham.
963
01:12:38,190 --> 01:12:42,710
But it was a completely unknown suburban
family man who was...
964
01:12:43,020 --> 01:12:47,000
Just as the profiles had said, he was
quietly living with his family.
965
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:52,080
It's understood the 48 -year -old is an
electrical engineer and volunteers at
966
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:56,420
little athletics clubs across Perth. It
was Bradley Robert Edwards, a Telstra
967
01:12:56,420 --> 01:13:00,620
technician, who by now had risen to the
senior ranks.
968
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,000
The last person you'd expect to be a
serial killer.
969
01:13:16,940 --> 01:13:21,540
His head in his hands, Bradley Robert
Edwards faces a marathon police
970
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:26,460
telling detectives, I just want to go to
sleep and wake up and this will all be
971
01:13:26,460 --> 01:13:27,379
a bad dream.
972
01:13:27,380 --> 01:13:32,680
For six hours, Edwards repeatedly denies
killing Sarah Spears, Jane Rimmer and
973
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:37,240
Keira Glennon, telling detectives he
isn't familiar with the Claremont area
974
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:40,140
has never been to Club Bayview or the
Continental Hotel.
975
01:13:40,540 --> 01:13:44,620
So we needed to take an evidentiary DNA
sample from him. So during the early
976
01:13:44,620 --> 01:13:49,920
part of the interview, We took a proper
DNA sample from him under the
977
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:51,140
legislative requirements.
978
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:56,260
Towards the end of the interview, those
results came back in and it confirmed
979
01:13:56,260 --> 01:13:57,260
what we already knew.
980
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:02,100
I said, brace yourself, Bradley, and we
got the results in. And the look on his
981
01:14:02,100 --> 01:14:03,920
face was, this can't be.
982
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:08,120
Asomba State Premier welcomed the arrest
and the chance for closure.
983
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:13,680
I hope for the families that they will
also, while in a very, again,
984
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:18,450
time for them, also find at the end of
the process that there will be justice
985
01:14:18,450 --> 01:14:19,810
for their daughters.
986
01:14:20,170 --> 01:14:26,590
Dealing with family or the relatives is
a very complicated matter.
987
01:14:29,130 --> 01:14:30,870
There was that apprehension.
988
01:14:31,130 --> 01:14:37,530
They've coped with this tragedy in their
life for 20 years and I realise that
989
01:14:37,530 --> 01:14:39,330
their world is about to be turned upside
down.
990
01:14:39,990 --> 01:14:43,570
We've been pre -warned on what was going
to happen.
991
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:50,000
And the task force are in contact with
us on a regular basis, giving us updates
992
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:51,120
as to what's happening.
993
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:57,820
The surviving victims were informed at
the same time as the family of the girls
994
01:14:57,820 --> 01:14:58,840
that were deceased.
995
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:08,100
Finding out the man who had assaulted me
was Bradley
996
01:15:08,100 --> 01:15:10,860
Edwards, had a profound effect on me.
997
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:13,550
emotionally, psychologically.
998
01:15:14,910 --> 01:15:18,210
You go through a lot of things where you
think, you know, what if they'd have
999
01:15:18,210 --> 01:15:19,210
caught him back then?
1000
01:15:19,890 --> 01:15:22,170
But we'll never know.
1001
01:15:26,990 --> 01:15:32,490
So post -Edwards arrest, the
investigation didn't stop there. We need
1002
01:15:32,490 --> 01:15:33,490
brief of evidence.
1003
01:15:34,630 --> 01:15:38,970
When we got that moment where we
identified Bradley Edwards, you know, we
1004
01:15:38,970 --> 01:15:39,970
at his past.
1005
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:45,540
and we looked at the Huntdale Prowler,
and when we looked at that 1990
1006
01:15:45,540 --> 01:15:49,160
attack on Wendy Davis, you know, we
looked at the facts of that matter.
1007
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:53,400
Telstra technician, then you start to
put it together and go, interesting.
1008
01:15:55,100 --> 01:15:59,900
We had to try to identify and locate the
vehicle that Bradley Edwards was
1009
01:15:59,900 --> 01:16:03,240
assigned by Telstra in 96 and 97.
1010
01:16:04,420 --> 01:16:09,300
We identified where it was through our
system and then seized that vehicle.
1011
01:16:09,820 --> 01:16:13,500
and we could see that it once had
Telstra markings on it.
1012
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:20,100
It was subject to a pretty detailed
forensic examination where the fibre
1013
01:16:20,100 --> 01:16:21,280
evidence was critical.
1014
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:27,420
The fibres that we're talking about here
are sub -millimetre in size, so they're
1015
01:16:27,420 --> 01:16:30,460
minute and can only be seen under a
microscope.
1016
01:16:30,820 --> 01:16:35,660
The Telstra clothing that was worn at
the time was a particular navy blue. The
1017
01:16:35,660 --> 01:16:42,410
fibre evidence showed a linkage between
the vehicle, Telstra clothing and fibres
1018
01:16:42,410 --> 01:16:45,330
from the hair masses of Keira Glennon
and Jane Rimmer.
1019
01:16:45,790 --> 01:16:50,210
Who knew that that car would still be
around 20 years later?
1020
01:16:50,670 --> 01:16:56,990
A white Commodore that could have been
in a trash heap, could be anywhere, and
1021
01:16:56,990 --> 01:17:03,510
let alone the fibres from what he wore,
still in a tucked away area,
1022
01:17:03,610 --> 01:17:08,150
matched up with the fibres from the
girl's hair.
1023
01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:11,080
That was mind -boggling.
1024
01:17:23,340 --> 01:17:27,360
It's a walk into court Dennis Glennon
will make time and time again, seeking
1025
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:29,780
answers about what happened to his
daughter Keira.
1026
01:17:30,060 --> 01:17:34,280
Bradley Robert Edwards is accused of
murdering Sarah Spears, Jane Rimmer and
1027
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:38,720
Keira Glennon, who all disappeared from
the streets of Claremont in the 1990s.
1028
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:43,720
The bodies of Jane Rimmer and Kira
Glennon were discovered by chance,
1029
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,880
bushland in opposite directions in the
weeks after they were killed.
1030
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:51,900
The remains of 18 -year -old Sarah
Spears have never been found. The six
1031
01:17:51,900 --> 01:17:56,820
judge -only trial will feature hundreds
of witnesses and thousands of pages of
1032
01:17:56,820 --> 01:17:57,820
evidence.
1033
01:18:00,940 --> 01:18:04,200
Well, every person has a right to be
assumed to be innocent.
1034
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:09,220
Every person has a right to be
represented and every person has a right
1035
01:18:09,220 --> 01:18:13,880
fair trial. In my view, the media had
made it impossible for anyone to be
1036
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:19,900
objective about his guilt or otherwise
and that if Mr Edwards had faced a trial
1037
01:18:19,900 --> 01:18:25,900
by a jury, there was a perception with a
sound basis in my view that many or
1038
01:18:25,900 --> 01:18:29,800
most of the jurors would have already
decided his guilt long before they
1039
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:31,380
into the courtroom and heard any
evidence.
1040
01:18:38,440 --> 01:18:42,640
The pressure to ensure a successful
prosecution was immense.
1041
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:49,640
Our biggest fear is the fear of letting
people down, letting myself down
1042
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:53,340
personally, letting the agency down,
most importantly, letting families down.
1043
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,680
The defence dropped a bombshell when
they started the case, saying there's
1044
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:01,420
cross -contamination of the DNA samples
and that you've got the wrong guy.
1045
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,080
And that was in everybody's mind. And he
sat down.
1046
01:19:04,460 --> 01:19:06,780
He didn't say anything more. He said,
you've got the wrong guy. So right
1047
01:19:06,780 --> 01:19:09,760
throughout the trial, every journalist
had this in the back of their mind, as
1048
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:10,760
did the public.
1049
01:19:11,180 --> 01:19:12,240
Have they got the right guy?
1050
01:19:28,270 --> 01:19:32,770
He says he's not the Claremont serial
killer, but Bradley Edwards has a
1051
01:19:32,770 --> 01:19:38,410
past, a conviction for a 1990 attack on
a female worker at Hollywood Hospital.
1052
01:19:38,530 --> 01:19:41,330
Today, she testified in his murder
trial.
1053
01:19:42,170 --> 01:19:45,490
I didn't focus on him at all.
1054
01:19:46,370 --> 01:19:52,390
I was just determined to give the best
evidence that I could. Everything just
1055
01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:56,130
came flooding back and I...
1056
01:19:56,810 --> 01:19:58,590
I just told what had happened.
1057
01:19:59,050 --> 01:20:05,710
I thought I've done the right thing. It
was very important to me to do that.
1058
01:20:07,770 --> 01:20:12,710
And then all I wanted to do was get out
of the building.
1059
01:20:17,070 --> 01:20:20,910
The front row of Court 7 -2, which is
normally packed with the victims' loved
1060
01:20:20,910 --> 01:20:25,070
ones, was empty today as the families
attempted to avoid hearing the grim
1061
01:20:25,070 --> 01:20:30,030
details. Senior prosecutors sent to buy
projector screens to shield the public
1062
01:20:30,030 --> 01:20:31,630
gallery from disturbing evidence.
1063
01:20:31,970 --> 01:20:36,330
Chilling details of the women's injuries
revealed and how it's alleged they
1064
01:20:36,330 --> 01:20:37,610
fought for their lives.
1065
01:20:38,090 --> 01:20:41,770
It became too much for one woman in the
public gallery who left the court
1066
01:20:41,770 --> 01:20:46,610
sobbing. Today, a string of emails has
provided an insight into some of the
1067
01:20:46,610 --> 01:20:51,130
rabbit holes police went down before the
major DNA breakthrough that led to the
1068
01:20:51,130 --> 01:20:52,410
arrest of Bradley Edwards.
1069
01:20:52,690 --> 01:20:57,130
The court was played intimate home
videos from the late 90s which show
1070
01:20:57,130 --> 01:21:01,670
as a family man joking and playing with
his future stepdaughter. Sitting in the
1071
01:21:01,670 --> 01:21:06,010
dark, Edwards' emotionless facade
cracked for a second and he smiled at
1072
01:21:06,010 --> 01:21:07,010
video.
1073
01:21:07,950 --> 01:21:12,810
It was a fleeting glance of what could
have been the other side of him.
1074
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:17,830
Otherwise, it was just this robot
sitting there, cardboard cutout, just
1075
01:21:17,830 --> 01:21:19,350
there every day, no emotion.
1076
01:21:21,170 --> 01:21:24,050
Court resumed around 2 .15 this
afternoon.
1077
01:21:24,570 --> 01:21:29,290
The second part of the trial will focus
on expert evidence, including critical
1078
01:21:29,290 --> 01:21:31,930
forensic material and testimony from
police.
1079
01:21:32,460 --> 01:21:36,700
The actions of police officers at the
crime scenes is a crucial part of the
1080
01:21:36,700 --> 01:21:41,560
trial. As lawyers for Edwards argue,
some forensic evidence may be
1081
01:21:41,940 --> 01:21:47,320
So during the trial, the defence did
raise the prospect that there could have
1082
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,000
been contamination of the DNA evidence.
1083
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:54,440
This afternoon, another witness gave
evidence about the day Keira Glennon's
1084
01:21:54,440 --> 01:21:55,700
was discovered in Eglinton.
1085
01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:00,480
Former WA detective Charles Carver was
adamant he and his partner followed
1086
01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:04,740
protocol, staying away from the body so
they didn't disturb the forensic scene.
1087
01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:12,080
There was definitely a huge, huge gap
between what police were doing now and
1088
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:13,480
what police were doing then.
1089
01:22:14,300 --> 01:22:17,960
People were walking through without any
suit covers on. People were just walking
1090
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:22,780
in and out of crime scenes. There was a
lot of evidence which people, you know,
1091
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,140
unintentionally maybe touched with their
bare hands.
1092
01:22:25,740 --> 01:22:29,220
We're talking about a time when DNA was
in its infancy.
1093
01:22:29,540 --> 01:22:32,500
There were no forensics. Wearing gloves
was an option.
1094
01:22:33,070 --> 01:22:36,590
I mean, people were trampling all over
everything and, of course, this all came
1095
01:22:36,590 --> 01:22:39,110
to light and they were criticised for
it, but back then nobody knew any
1096
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:43,530
different. The court has heard of a
total of 11 contamination events
1097
01:22:43,530 --> 01:22:44,850
the macro investigation.
1098
01:22:45,450 --> 01:22:49,950
Bradley Edwards denies murdering the
women, with his lawyers arguing DNA on a
1099
01:22:49,950 --> 01:22:54,370
sample taken from his Caracatta rape
victim could have found its way onto
1100
01:22:54,370 --> 01:22:58,870
fingernail samples from Keira Glennon by
means of contamination, while exhibits
1101
01:22:58,870 --> 01:23:01,490
from both crimes were being stored at
the lab.
1102
01:23:02,410 --> 01:23:06,570
It seems that was his argument. They've
got the DNA on me. I am a rapist, but I
1103
01:23:06,570 --> 01:23:08,130
haven't graduated to being a serial
killer.
1104
01:23:08,430 --> 01:23:10,310
We will never know because he never gave
evidence.
1105
01:23:20,030 --> 01:23:24,690
People had lined up outside the court
before sunrise to witness one of the
1106
01:23:24,690 --> 01:23:27,330
significant moments in the state's legal
history.
1107
01:23:27,610 --> 01:23:30,750
The state's case has come down to three
main elements.
1108
01:23:31,260 --> 01:23:35,700
The trace of Edwards' DNA detected under
Keira Glennon's fingernails, the
1109
01:23:35,700 --> 01:23:40,700
textile fibres found on the bodies of Ms
Glennon and Jane Rimmer, and the fact
1110
01:23:40,700 --> 01:23:45,300
that Edwards had the know -how and the
drive to abduct, restrain and assault
1111
01:23:45,300 --> 01:23:46,320
vulnerable women.
1112
01:23:48,340 --> 01:23:50,280
The morning of the verdict I'll never
forget.
1113
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:56,380
Right up to the end, there was always
that thought in the back of our mind,
1114
01:23:56,380 --> 01:23:58,460
happens if he's acquitted on all
charges?
1115
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:05,800
How are we going to feel about it? How's
the team going to feel?
1116
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,380
And how's the family going to feel?
1117
01:24:11,820 --> 01:24:18,600
They had waited for this time for 20
1118
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:23,100
years to have somebody that could be
held accountable for life -changing
1119
01:24:23,100 --> 01:24:28,160
moments, for the brutal murders of their
daughters.
1120
01:24:28,580 --> 01:24:32,340
And it was the fear of letting them down
was huge.
1121
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:49,620
In the Supreme Court of Western
Australia, calling Supreme Court
1122
01:24:49,620 --> 01:24:53,100
number 164, State of Western Australia
against Bradley Robert Edwards.
1123
01:24:53,580 --> 01:24:54,940
Custody, please put up Mr Edwards.
1124
01:24:58,540 --> 01:25:00,120
This is a trial like no other.
1125
01:25:00,620 --> 01:25:02,160
This is a trial like every other.
1126
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:05,960
Those apparently irreconcilable
statements are both true.
1127
01:25:07,020 --> 01:25:10,680
It's a trial like no other because of
the combination of its length, its size,
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and the high degree of public interest.
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The events in question occurred more
than 20 years ago, but have haunted the
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01:25:16,990 --> 01:25:19,590
memory of many people and troubled the
public conscience.
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01:25:20,770 --> 01:25:25,650
Few trials have been so consistently
reported or reported on in such detail.
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But this is a case like every other,
because despite the unusual features
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01:25:31,190 --> 01:25:35,850
referred to, the fundamental principles
that apply to every criminal trial apply
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to this one.
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The courts do not deliver different
standards of justice.
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justice is dispensed without fear or
favour, affection or ill will.
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01:25:49,730 --> 01:25:55,210
The promise of equal justice before the
law required that this trial, like all
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01:25:55,210 --> 01:26:00,490
criminal trials, be conducted with care
to ensure fairness to both the defence
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and the prosecution.
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The accused is presumed innocent, the
state bears the onus of proof, and the
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standard of proof is beyond reasonable
doubt.
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I have not been distracted by the public
interest or the publicity from the
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proper application of those principles.
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01:26:23,700 --> 01:26:27,000
I've prepared detailed reasons for the
conclusions I've reached.
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This summary forms part of those
conclusions.
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Having regard to the DNA evidence, the
fibre evidence and the propensity
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evidence, I am satisfied beyond
reasonable doubt that the accused was
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of Ms Rimmer and Ms Glennon.
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01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:53,880
The propensity evidence makes it more
likely that the accused was the killer
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01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:59,500
Miss Spears, but it cannot prove it
beyond reasonable doubt in the absence
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any other evidence as to the identity of
her killer.
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Based on those findings, the verdict
will be as follows. Stand up, please, Mr
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Edwards.
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On count six.
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That on or about the 27th of January
1996 at Claremont and elsewhere, you
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willfully murdered Sarah Ellen Spears.
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My verdict is that you are not guilty.
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On count seven.
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That on or about the 9th of June 1996 at
Claremont and elsewhere, you willfully
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01:27:33,260 --> 01:27:36,680
murdered Jane Louise Rimmer. My verdict
is that you are guilty.
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01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:43,240
On count eight, that on or about the
15th of March 1997 at Claremont and
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01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:48,340
elsewhere, you willfully murdered Keira
Eilish Glennon, my verdict is that you
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are guilty.
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You can sit down.
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I enter judgments of conviction on
counts seven and eight and a judgment of
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acquittal on count six.
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Would you like to make any comments? Is
there anything you would like to say?
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A bittersweet result for two families,
there's justice. For the third, more
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01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:16,200
heartbreak.
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For me, the verdict, mixed emotions.
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Elated about the last two counts on the
indictment, which was
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01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:34,340
Jane and Kira.
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01:28:34,860 --> 01:28:39,100
But, yeah, disappointment at Sarah
Spears' acquittal.
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01:28:39,690 --> 01:28:41,630
And I didn't disagree with the decision.
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It was more that feeling of failure, I
guess.
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We did what we could. We put it up. We
just didn't get that over the line.
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Justice Hall said propensity evidence
makes Edwards a likely suspect in
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case or even her probable killer. But
the allegations couldn't be proven
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a reasonable doubt.
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We were in the back of the court at the
time following the verdict and Don
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01:29:06,670 --> 01:29:07,670
Spears...
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01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:13,560
wanted to address everyone, so we sort
of remained in the court, and Don
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01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:18,380
addressed the prosecutors and the team,
the investigation team, and the other
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01:29:18,380 --> 01:29:21,900
families as well that were all part of
it, and he addressed everyone and
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01:29:21,900 --> 01:29:22,900
everyone for their time.
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01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:28,140
And he said, you know, at the end of the
day, we gave it our best crack, and I
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01:29:28,140 --> 01:29:33,000
know who's responsible for the killing
of our daughter. The way he came across
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01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,820
was something you'll never forget.
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01:29:37,130 --> 01:29:43,150
The poignancy and the manner in which
Don and his wife Carol and their
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01:29:43,290 --> 01:29:49,970
their surviving daughter, carried
themselves was profound and will always
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01:29:49,970 --> 01:29:50,970
remembered.
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We got the result we wanted.
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01:29:55,470 --> 01:29:57,270
Everyone just gave each other a hug.
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01:29:57,510 --> 01:29:58,530
It's very sad.
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01:29:58,870 --> 01:30:00,590
It's always going to be the same.
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01:30:00,890 --> 01:30:02,330
No -one's ever going to bring you back.
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This is a momentous day, a day we've now
witnessed the jailing of an evil man.
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It is my sincere hope for the sake of
victims, for the sake of the family and
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01:30:18,290 --> 01:30:24,410
friends, and indeed for the safety of
our community, that Edwards will never
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01:30:24,410 --> 01:30:29,450
released from prison. The investigation
into the murder of Sarah Spears remains
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01:30:29,450 --> 01:30:30,450
open.
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01:30:30,810 --> 01:30:35,050
We will never give up trying to locate
Sarah.
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01:30:35,740 --> 01:30:39,720
And I've conveyed that to Don and Carol
Spears today.
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01:30:49,420 --> 01:30:55,620
It all started here in Claremont decades
ago. Young, innocent women enjoying a
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01:30:55,620 --> 01:30:58,180
night out, taken away from their
families.
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01:30:58,670 --> 01:31:03,890
flowers at the Claremont Hotel thanking
police for not giving up on this
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01:31:03,890 --> 01:31:07,870
investigation. But many questions remain
unanswered.
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01:31:12,230 --> 01:31:19,070
I've thought it a thousand times. How
can he go 30 odd years committing the
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01:31:19,070 --> 01:31:25,790
heinous crime that this country's ever
seen and never get caught?
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01:31:34,860 --> 01:31:39,180
So looking back on the investigation, in
my position as a senior investigating
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01:31:39,180 --> 01:31:43,600
officer, what I can say is that the
initial investigation was conducted
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01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:49,860
professionally and the investigative
techniques used in the era were sound.
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01:31:51,860 --> 01:31:55,160
Was Telstra a line of inquiry at the
time? It definitely was.
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01:31:55,500 --> 01:31:59,580
And they did look at Telstra employees,
they looked at people who took home
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01:31:59,580 --> 01:32:03,060
motor vehicles from Telstra, had access
to vehicles at night time.
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01:32:03,690 --> 01:32:06,690
but it didn't give you a result at that
stage.
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Any homicide, what you want to do is to
find the person responsible.
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That one, I left, and it hadn't been
resolved.
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01:32:20,650 --> 01:32:26,390
But in 1996, Sarah Spears was abducted
and murdered. In
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01:32:26,390 --> 01:32:30,170
2017, a person was charged.
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01:32:30,900 --> 01:32:33,780
with the abduction and murder of three
girls.
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01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:41,800
The evidence that convicted that person
was collected back in 1996, 97,
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01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:47,700
98. I can sit back now and be very, very
comfortable in myself and my team that
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01:32:47,700 --> 01:32:49,460
we did what we were asked to do.
1225
01:32:51,820 --> 01:32:56,380
I feel personally that I've learnt
through this because you don't always
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01:32:56,380 --> 01:32:58,960
things exactly right. You learn on the
way.
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01:33:02,220 --> 01:33:07,960
I feel that if there's any legacy out of
this series of crimes is that we will
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01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:10,160
be a much better police force.
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01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:20,140
But what is important to any member of
our community, of any persuasion, any
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01:33:20,140 --> 01:33:24,920
walk of life, is that you've got to have
trust in the police force.
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01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:30,860
The public gain confidence if the police
are able to bring to justice.
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01:33:31,470 --> 01:33:34,750
the most horrific of criminals, and in
this instance they did.
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