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[soft dramatic music]
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When I got that call
that Doc's house was on fire,
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I mean, it was like
you was dreaming.
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♪ ♪
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But I watched all of it.
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He didn't have a chance.
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My world ripped away from me.
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My heart was just broken.
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And then they said
somebody killed Doc.
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It just didn't make no sense.
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[dramatic music]
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♪ ♪
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[soft banjo music]
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♪ ♪
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That's beautiful.
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This is
the Appalachian Riviera.
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You know, it's like Italy
or Greece in a way,
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just built into the hillside.
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We are in McDowell County,
West Virginia.
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It's the heart
of coal mining country,
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and there was a period in time
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where this was
a really thriving community.
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Coal was king,
and they had all these
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historic downtown areas
that were bustling.
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Iaeger, the town we're going to
in McDowell County,
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in 2019, was clocked in
with a population of 264,
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so this is hands-down
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the smallest town
we've been to.
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♪ ♪
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My family always
has been raised here
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in the town of Iaeger.
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A lot of the families
grow up here and stay here,
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because whether you're
blood-related or not,
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we consider everybody family.
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In McDowell County,
no matter where you go,
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people will just come up
and say, "Hey, how are you?"
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"Who are you?"
if they don't know you,
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and pretty much become
your friend right there.
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We work hard.
We take care of each other.
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We are fighters.
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Just because
they took the coal away
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does not mean we're done
and we're finished.
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We are fighting hard
to come back,
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uh, with even better things.
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Hot dog,
it's like a time capsule.
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You can tell
exactly when the industry
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and the businesses
and the livelihood
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of this town dried up.
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Montgomery Ward
is a relic from my childhood,
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and it's just sitting here like
they closed up shop one day
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and never came back.
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[train horn blaring]
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In 2005,
there was a tragic housefire
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here in Iaeger, West Virginia,
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that would leave
this community fighting
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and looking for justice
for years.
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[tense music]
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[line trilling]
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Dr. Whitley's clinic was
right next door to his house.
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Clinic staff,
they went rushing over there
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and saw that there was a fire.
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The firefighters
went in the house
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and saw that there was a fire
in the living room.
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[projector clicks]
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Couch was on fire,
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and there was burning debris
coming from the ceiling,
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and there was
a tremendous amount
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of smoke and heat.
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They ran up the steps
and found Dr. Whitley
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there in the bedroom.
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When I got that call
Tuesday morning
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that Doc's house was on fire,
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my first thought was,
"Doc was smoking in bed
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and caught the bed on fire."
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I get over there,
and the only thing I know
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is to get in the house
and get Doc.
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Well, I got to the top
of the landing
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and seen him laying there.
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The fire chief tell me,
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"There's nothing more
you can do.
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Doc has passed."
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And when they
brought him out...
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gosh, it hurt so bad watchin'.
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[sniffles]
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♪ ♪
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When I first met Doc,
I was probably four or five.
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He was my doctor all my life,
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and he had really inspired me
to be a nurse.
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He seen the potential in me.
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I was Doctor's nurse
for 25 years.
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To lose him was just like
losing my daddy or my mom.
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Our two fire investigators
in the fire marshal's office
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were Robbie Bailey,
a very young fella,
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and Tony Domingo.
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They began their investigation
that day.
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[camera shutter clicking]
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The bedroom scene
was suspicious
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because Dr. Whitley
could not walk
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very well on his own.
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He had had a fall
several years earlier
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and had to have help
getting around
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through a motorized chair.
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They noticed
that the motorized chair
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had been pushed several feet
away from the bed.
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Dr. Whitley is on the floor.
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It appeared
he had been attempting
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to crawl out of the bedroom
to escape the fire.
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[camera shutter clicks]
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There had been
an intense fire.
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The bed had been destroyed.
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There was a hole
on the bedroom floor
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through which you can see
the living room.
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The fire had burned
completely through
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this hardwood bedroom floor.
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The fire investigators believe
that someone had set the fire,
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pouring a flammable liquid
or accelerant
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onto the bedroom floor.
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They collected
multiple samples
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to send to the State Police
Forensic Laboratory.
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You have a fire
in the bedroom floor upstairs,
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and then downstairs
in the living room,
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you have a couch on fire,
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so it did appear
that there were
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two separate fires
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with separate causes
of ignition.
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The law enforcement officers
felt like those circumstances
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indicated there had been
some foul play,
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so it wasn't
just an accidental fire.
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Under our felony murder rule,
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if someone dies during
a deliberately set fire,
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it's first-degree murder.
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Who would kill Doctor?
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I couldn't think of anybody
that would want Doc dead.
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[soft dramatic music]
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♪ ♪
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Everybody in this county
knew who Doc Whitley was.
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He took care of people
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whether they had any money
to pay him or not.
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He took care of 'em.
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Doc Whitley was really,
really something special.
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Doc and Kathy Lively,
his nurse,
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took care of me
and my family really well.
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When I got a phone call
that Doc had passed
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and burnt up in a fire,
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I was just sho--shocked.
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We are going
to meet Sid Bell,
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and he was the prosecutor
for McDowell County
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in 2005 when the fire
at Doc Whitley's house
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took place.
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This is new for me
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because we have reached out
to prosecutors' offices
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in pretty much all
of our cases,
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and they usually do not want
to talk with us,
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but Sid agreed.
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Mr. Bell?
- Yes.
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Hi. How are you?
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Thank you so much
for your time.
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Okay.
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Obviously, in a small town,
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when something
traumatic happens,
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everybody knows about it
pretty quickly.
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In this case,
the victim, Doc Whitley,
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was that someone that you knew?
- Yes.
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So when you heard
about his passing,
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how did that impact you
personally?
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Well, I was shocked,
of course,
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because they told me
that they suspected arson.
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I don't know of anybody
who ever physically threatened
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or did anything
to harm Dr. Whitley,
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but he had political enemies
in the county.
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He was involved in politics.
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He was in
the House of Delegates.
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At one time, he was president
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of the McDowell
County Commission.
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Doc had power
in McDowell County,
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in the state.
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He ran it.
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If you wanted to run
for any office
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in the state of West Virginia,
you came to Doc.
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If you didn't get
Doc's approval
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'fore you ran,
you wouldn't win.
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His idea of campaigning
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would be to first talk
to his patients
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who came in and out
by the dozens every day.
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They would say, "Doc,
who do you want us to vote for?
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Whose signs should we put up?"
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That's the way he ran
his political influence.
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When you're involved
in politics,
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you're gonna make enemies.
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There's some would probably
like to see him dead,
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but after his injury where he
was in the wheelchair,
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Doc had lost a lot
of his political powers.
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He didn't go to a lot
of meetings like he used to.
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They voted him out
of being president
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of the committee.
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It's kind of hard
on Doc's ego.
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So were any of his political
affiliations explored?
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Did anybody dig into that part
of his background?
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I'm sure
they considered that.
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There was a lot of talk
about his enemies,
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but I think the fact that he
had been out of the picture
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for almost a decade
eliminated those
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from my standpoint.
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I thought it probably
would have been someone
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who was mad at him
over some personal matter,
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rather than a political matter.
- Mm-hmm.
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Well, what was going on
with his personal life?
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We found out in the course
of the investigation
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that Dr. Whitley,
in recent years,
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had been living at his
Coon Branch Mountain home,
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which was several miles away,
with his wife, Sue Whitley.
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They didn't live
in downtown Iaeger?
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No, no one was living
in his two-story house
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down beside the clinic.
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It was just sitting there, vacant.
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So when Dr. Whitley
was with his wife
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on Coon Branch Mountain,
his son Jack came in
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and believed that she was
not taking care of his dad.
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His bowels were impacted...
- Oh, no.
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And his health
was being neglected,
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so Dr. Whitley decided to move
to Kathy Lively's house
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so he would be
better taken care of.
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Is Kathy someone
that you are familiar with?
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I'd known Kathy a long time.
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We all liked Kathy,
and she was really
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highly thought of as a nurse.
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And Doc Whitley
trusted her enough to move
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from his wife's house
into her home.
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Right, but when his sons
came in to check on him
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at Kathy's house,
they saw a bunch
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of possessions there
that they thought
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were too expensive
for the nurse
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to be able to afford.
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They got the idea that she
was taking financial advantage
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of Dr. Whitley.
- Oh.
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His children said
I was taking advantage
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over his accounts.
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They said I--my home
looked like a mansion.
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I worked all my life
for what I had,
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and my home was just like
a regular, you know,
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anybody else's house.
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Nothing fancy.
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There were suspicions
that Dr. Whitley
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was no longer running
the clinic,
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and that Kathy, as an LPN,
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was issuing prescriptions
for narcotics.
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Dr. Whitley decided
to take the keys
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to the clinic
away from Ms. Lively,
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stop her access
to bank accounts...
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- Wow.
- Basically cut her off...
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Yeah.
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From any involvement
with the medical clinic,
264
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and she became very angry
about that.
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At his home,
the evening before the fire,
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they argued,
267
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and Kathy Lively
made the statement
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to Dr. Whitley,
"I will kill you."
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♪ ♪
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The night before the fire,
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there was a patient
that needed a prescription.
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Well, that was
the wrong milligram
273
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that she was taking,
so I took the patient's file
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over to Doc's house,
and I was telling Doc,
275
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"You're not giving her
the right milligram."
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And we started arguing,
and I said,
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"One day, I'm gonna kill you."
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♪
279
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We argued all the time.
280
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That was natural between us.
281
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I wasn't threaten' Doctor.
282
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People gets mad and just says,
"I'm gonna kill you."
283
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I didn't know Doctor
284
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was gonna be dead
the next morning.
285
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[soft guitar music]
286
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♪ ♪
287
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How quickly
would you say investigators
288
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really focused on Kathy?
289
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I would say
within the first few days.
290
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Mm-hmm.
291
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We find out
that Kathy Lively
292
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said, "I will kill you"
to Dr. Whitley.
293
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Everything was pointing
towards Kathy.
294
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They brought me up
to the sheriff's office.
295
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They questioned me.
296
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They thought
I had killed Doctor
297
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because he fired me,
and I'm like,
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"Am I really hearing this?"
299
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I hadn't been fired.
No truth in none of that.
300
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And then they said that
I was writing prescriptions
301
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for controlled substance,
but that was wrong.
302
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Doctor agreed to everything
303
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that I called in or wrote.
304
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He signed off
on everything I did.
305
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Can you walk us through what
their theory of the case was?
306
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Law enforcement's theory
was that Jason Lively,
307
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Kathy Lively's son,
had gone into the house
308
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to intimidate or terrorize
or try to convince
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Doctor Whitley to change
the decisions he had made
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to cut Kathy off completely
from the operation
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of the clinic,
and that Jason Lively
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had started that fire,
and the fire
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caused Dr. Whitley's death.
314
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[soft dramatic music]
315
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They accused me
of writing prescriptions
316
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for me and Jason.
317
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They said,
"Jason killed Doctor
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"because he was using
prescription drugs
319
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or selling 'em."
320
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But if Doc was dead,
321
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nobody can write
a prescription.
322
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It just didn't make no sense,
none of it.
323
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♪
324
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I started working for Doc
325
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when Jason was 15 months old.
326
00:13:46,032 --> 00:13:49,518
Jason was around Doc
his whole life
327
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as a doctor, friend.
328
00:13:52,003 --> 00:13:54,764
Because Jason
excelled in sports,
329
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in wrestling, weightlifting,
330
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Doc would tell him what to eat
and give him advice,
331
00:14:01,012 --> 00:14:02,945
tell him
when he was messing up.
332
00:14:02,945 --> 00:14:04,740
Doctor and Jason was close.
333
00:14:04,740 --> 00:14:07,156
♪ ♪
334
00:14:07,156 --> 00:14:09,814
Can you tell me a little bit
about what Jason's reputation
335
00:14:09,814 --> 00:14:11,920
in this small town was?
336
00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,094
He had a reputation
for being very bold,
337
00:14:14,094 --> 00:14:16,614
and that he was involved
with drug use.
338
00:14:16,614 --> 00:14:18,029
♪ ♪
339
00:14:18,029 --> 00:14:20,342
After his wrestling injury,
340
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he started taking pills.
341
00:14:22,689 --> 00:14:26,003
That was kind of hard on me
to get him straightened out
342
00:14:26,003 --> 00:14:27,901
and back on track,
343
00:14:27,901 --> 00:14:30,904
but at the time
of Doctor's death,
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00:14:30,904 --> 00:14:33,251
he got a job in the coal mines,
345
00:14:33,251 --> 00:14:35,771
a steady job,
and that was hard to come by
346
00:14:35,771 --> 00:14:37,393
in McDowell County
at that time.
347
00:14:37,393 --> 00:14:44,676
♪
348
00:14:44,884 --> 00:14:47,438
A local person,
Brian Salyers, said that
349
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early the morning of the fire,
he had picked up Jason Lively
350
00:14:50,475 --> 00:14:52,270
and his friend Tommy Owens,
351
00:14:52,270 --> 00:14:53,858
and they wanted
to be dropped off
352
00:14:53,858 --> 00:14:56,205
at Dr. Whitley's house,
353
00:14:56,205 --> 00:14:58,380
and then they learned
that Jason Lively
354
00:14:58,380 --> 00:15:00,382
went up to Sue Whitley's home
on the mountain
355
00:15:00,382 --> 00:15:02,384
the day of the fire
to tell her
356
00:15:02,384 --> 00:15:04,420
that Dr. Whitley
was found dead,
357
00:15:04,420 --> 00:15:08,355
and while there, he stole
Dr. Whitley's laptop computer
358
00:15:08,355 --> 00:15:11,220
and went out
trying to sell it that day.
359
00:15:11,220 --> 00:15:13,567
- Sounds really bad.
- Yes.
360
00:15:13,567 --> 00:15:18,607
♪
361
00:16:03,790 --> 00:16:10,348
♪ ♪
362
00:16:10,348 --> 00:16:12,937
Jason Lively and Tommy Owens
wanted separate trials,
363
00:16:12,937 --> 00:16:14,283
which was granted.
364
00:16:14,283 --> 00:16:16,216
Jason Lively was tried first.
365
00:16:16,216 --> 00:16:21,359
♪
366
00:16:21,359 --> 00:16:25,915
And so what is the narrative
that you presented at trial?
367
00:16:25,915 --> 00:16:28,988
We decided to use evidence
about the argument
368
00:16:28,988 --> 00:16:31,128
with Kathy the night before,
369
00:16:31,128 --> 00:16:33,785
and then Jason Lively
stealing the computer.
370
00:16:33,785 --> 00:16:35,995
We also have
what Brian Salyers told us
371
00:16:35,995 --> 00:16:38,169
about dropping him off
at Dr. Whitley's house
372
00:16:38,169 --> 00:16:41,448
that morning, put together
with the state fire marshal's
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00:16:41,448 --> 00:16:44,520
opinion and report
added up to felony murder.
374
00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,145
And so when you started
calling witnesses,
375
00:16:48,145 --> 00:16:50,871
Brian Salyers is someone
that you called in?
376
00:16:50,871 --> 00:16:55,531
Yes, but Brian Salyers said
that his statement was false,
377
00:16:55,531 --> 00:16:58,327
that he was coerced
into making this statement
378
00:16:58,327 --> 00:17:01,054
about dropping Jason Lively
and Tommy Owens off
379
00:17:01,054 --> 00:17:02,849
at Dr. Whitley's house
that morning.
380
00:17:02,849 --> 00:17:04,644
He said that didn't happen.
381
00:17:04,644 --> 00:17:08,406
So one of your star witnesses
gets on the stand
382
00:17:08,510 --> 00:17:10,960
and completely changes
their story?
383
00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:12,479
Yes.
384
00:17:12,479 --> 00:17:14,861
Does it make you,
as the prosecutor,
385
00:17:14,861 --> 00:17:17,243
second-guess your case?
386
00:17:17,243 --> 00:17:19,693
I didn't have a reason
to doubt this case
387
00:17:19,693 --> 00:17:22,351
because of everything else
that supported
388
00:17:22,351 --> 00:17:24,767
what Brian Salyers
had said initially.
389
00:17:24,767 --> 00:17:30,773
♪ ♪
390
00:17:30,773 --> 00:17:33,914
The law accused Jason
of going up on the mountain
391
00:17:33,914 --> 00:17:35,813
the day Doc died
and said
392
00:17:35,813 --> 00:17:38,988
Jason stole the laptop
from the Coon Branch house,
393
00:17:38,988 --> 00:17:41,370
but Jason didn't steal it.
394
00:17:41,370 --> 00:17:42,509
♪ ♪
395
00:17:42,509 --> 00:17:44,339
While Doctor was staying
at my house,
396
00:17:44,339 --> 00:17:47,928
he said to Jason,
"You can take that laptop."
397
00:17:47,928 --> 00:17:51,794
Jason is not computer savvy,
398
00:17:51,794 --> 00:17:54,383
so he was just gonna sell it.
399
00:17:54,383 --> 00:17:57,559
I think maybe two
or three days before Doc died,
400
00:17:57,559 --> 00:18:00,389
Jason asked somebody
did they want to buy it.
401
00:18:00,389 --> 00:18:04,911
♪ ♪
402
00:18:05,014 --> 00:18:07,016
After you've laid out
your case,
403
00:18:07,016 --> 00:18:08,846
what did Jason's
defense lawyers
404
00:18:08,846 --> 00:18:10,537
present to the court?
405
00:18:10,537 --> 00:18:13,264
The defense argued
you really couldn't rule out
406
00:18:13,264 --> 00:18:15,404
an accidental cause
of the fire
407
00:18:15,404 --> 00:18:17,130
and that there's
a good possibility
408
00:18:17,130 --> 00:18:18,821
Whitley could have
started the fire himself
409
00:18:18,821 --> 00:18:20,582
because he smoked in bed.
410
00:18:20,582 --> 00:18:22,377
The bed is heavily damaged
in the fire,
411
00:18:22,377 --> 00:18:25,000
but the experts concluded
that could not have been caused
412
00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,415
from a cigarette.
413
00:18:26,415 --> 00:18:28,279
So the theory
of it being an accident
414
00:18:28,279 --> 00:18:30,902
that Doc started himself
was ruled out?
415
00:18:30,902 --> 00:18:32,594
Yes.
416
00:18:32,594 --> 00:18:36,011
And I relied on
the state fire marshal's report
417
00:18:36,011 --> 00:18:38,289
from Robbie Bailey
and Tony Domingo
418
00:18:38,289 --> 00:18:40,567
that this was
a deliberately set fire.
419
00:18:40,567 --> 00:18:42,362
♪ ♪
420
00:18:42,362 --> 00:18:44,640
Robbie Bailey believed
there were two separate fires
421
00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,195
that had been set,
which would not be consistent
422
00:18:47,195 --> 00:18:49,058
with an accidental fire.
- Mm-hmm.
423
00:18:49,058 --> 00:18:51,785
In addition,
the report indicated
424
00:18:51,785 --> 00:18:54,133
that the sample
from the bedroom floor
425
00:18:54,133 --> 00:18:56,618
showed the presence
of the chemical toluene,
426
00:18:56,618 --> 00:18:57,895
an accelerant.
427
00:18:57,895 --> 00:18:59,276
They said
this was commonly found
428
00:18:59,276 --> 00:19:01,864
in charcoal lighter fluid
or gasoline.
429
00:19:01,864 --> 00:19:03,142
♪ ♪
430
00:19:03,142 --> 00:19:06,352
- It's very damning.
- It is.
431
00:19:06,352 --> 00:19:07,939
♪ ♪
432
00:19:07,939 --> 00:19:10,183
The night
before the verdict,
433
00:19:10,183 --> 00:19:13,152
Jason said,
"Mom, if I get convicted,
434
00:19:13,255 --> 00:19:15,568
don't cry."
435
00:19:15,568 --> 00:19:18,502
And when they come back
with that verdict,
436
00:19:18,502 --> 00:19:23,162
guilty, Jason turned around
and looked at me,
437
00:19:23,162 --> 00:19:26,510
and I had to stand there
and do what he said.
438
00:19:26,510 --> 00:19:28,581
♪ ♪
439
00:19:28,581 --> 00:19:30,307
[sighs shakily]
440
00:19:30,307 --> 00:19:33,241
My heart just ripped out.
441
00:19:33,241 --> 00:19:35,657
Jason is convicted
of first-degree murder,
442
00:19:35,657 --> 00:19:37,797
which means
it's a life sentence.
443
00:19:37,797 --> 00:19:40,179
♪ ♪
444
00:19:40,179 --> 00:19:43,665
So how did you feel
securing that victory?
445
00:19:43,665 --> 00:19:46,392
I was very satisfied with it,
very relieved.
446
00:19:46,392 --> 00:19:53,364
♪ ♪
447
00:19:53,364 --> 00:19:55,987
This time, Robbie Bailey
and Tony Domingo
448
00:19:55,987 --> 00:19:57,817
gave contradictory testimony.
449
00:19:57,817 --> 00:19:58,990
Robbie Bailey testified
450
00:19:58,990 --> 00:19:59,991
that there were
two separate fires...
451
00:19:59,991 --> 00:20:01,130
Okay.
452
00:20:01,130 --> 00:20:02,339
One of them in the bedroom,
453
00:20:02,339 --> 00:20:03,961
and one in the living room.
454
00:20:03,961 --> 00:20:07,171
Mr. Domingo said, "I believe
there was only one fire,
455
00:20:07,171 --> 00:20:10,105
"that the fire
in the bedroom floor,
456
00:20:10,105 --> 00:20:12,763
"the ceiling,
had caused burning debris
457
00:20:12,763 --> 00:20:15,835
to fall down
and catch the couch on fire."
458
00:20:15,835 --> 00:20:18,113
Is that a major contradiction
459
00:20:18,113 --> 00:20:20,253
between your
fire investigators?
460
00:20:20,253 --> 00:20:22,531
It was, because I was going
under the belief
461
00:20:22,531 --> 00:20:25,120
that they both thought
there were two separate fires.
462
00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:27,640
So Tommy's trial takes place
463
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:32,334
after you've already secured
a guilty verdict for Jason.
464
00:20:32,334 --> 00:20:35,234
What does the jury
come back on with Tommy?
465
00:20:35,234 --> 00:20:37,512
He was found not guilty.
466
00:20:37,512 --> 00:20:39,238
Did that plant a seed
of doubt with you?
467
00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:41,378
It worried me a lot.
468
00:20:43,449 --> 00:20:46,141
[soft dramatic music]
469
00:20:46,141 --> 00:20:50,525
♪ ♪
470
00:21:18,242 --> 00:21:20,934
I met Jason at high school.
471
00:21:20,934 --> 00:21:26,008
Fast forward to 2005,
and Jason had been arrested
472
00:21:26,008 --> 00:21:28,217
for Doc's murder.
473
00:21:28,217 --> 00:21:30,461
What I knew was Jason
was convicted,
474
00:21:30,461 --> 00:21:32,256
and Tommy wasn't.
475
00:21:32,256 --> 00:21:34,016
I never knew why, you know,
476
00:21:34,016 --> 00:21:35,915
one was guilty and one wasn't.
477
00:21:35,915 --> 00:21:38,504
I just felt for Jason.
478
00:21:38,504 --> 00:21:41,300
You know, I'm thinking,
"How is he doing?"
479
00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:43,060
And I just wrote him.
480
00:21:43,060 --> 00:21:44,855
He wrote right back.
481
00:21:44,855 --> 00:21:46,615
He seemed so sweet and nice.
482
00:21:46,615 --> 00:21:49,411
He started calling,
and then he started
483
00:21:49,411 --> 00:21:51,551
sending me transcripts
of his trial,
484
00:21:51,655 --> 00:21:54,934
and I'm seeing this evidence
in Jason's favor,
485
00:21:54,934 --> 00:21:55,969
and I knew instantly then
486
00:21:55,969 --> 00:21:57,316
there was no way
Jason did that.
487
00:21:57,316 --> 00:21:58,317
There was no way.
488
00:21:58,317 --> 00:22:03,287
♪ ♪
489
00:22:03,287 --> 00:22:06,428
Jason is serving out
his prison sentence.
490
00:22:06,428 --> 00:22:08,465
Do you just put this case
behind you at this point
491
00:22:08,465 --> 00:22:10,777
and move on?
- Yes.
492
00:22:10,777 --> 00:22:13,504
But the last thing
that a good prosecutor
493
00:22:13,504 --> 00:22:17,715
should want is to have someone
wrongfully convicted.
494
00:22:17,715 --> 00:22:20,235
I had heard
of the Todd Willingham case
495
00:22:20,235 --> 00:22:22,099
in Texas.
496
00:22:22,099 --> 00:22:24,101
He was convicted
of setting a fire
497
00:22:24,101 --> 00:22:26,137
that caused the death
of his young children.
498
00:22:26,137 --> 00:22:28,485
He said that he was innocent
all along,
499
00:22:28,485 --> 00:22:30,970
and a group
of nationally recognized
500
00:22:30,970 --> 00:22:33,869
fire investigation experts
all concluded
501
00:22:33,869 --> 00:22:37,356
that there wasn't any evidence
that it was a set fire.
502
00:22:37,356 --> 00:22:42,430
♪ ♪
503
00:22:42,430 --> 00:22:44,880
That case caused me
to be really concerned
504
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,090
about what really happened
in the Jason Lively case,
505
00:22:48,090 --> 00:22:50,576
about what really started
that fire,
506
00:22:50,576 --> 00:22:53,717
so I decided to try to find
one of those experts.
507
00:22:53,717 --> 00:22:59,826
♪ ♪
508
00:22:59,826 --> 00:23:02,311
We have covered
a number of cases
509
00:23:02,311 --> 00:23:04,417
where people have been
wrongfully convicted,
510
00:23:04,417 --> 00:23:08,041
and the prosecutor's office refuses
511
00:23:08,041 --> 00:23:10,630
to look deeper into the case.
512
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:15,359
Why did you feel comfortable
reexamining your own work?
513
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,534
Prosecutor's job
is not just to win a case
514
00:23:17,534 --> 00:23:18,845
or get a conviction.
515
00:23:18,845 --> 00:23:20,985
I always believed
I wouldn't go wrong
516
00:23:20,985 --> 00:23:23,091
by doing the right thing,
517
00:23:23,091 --> 00:23:24,713
and as soon
as I got the report,
518
00:23:24,713 --> 00:23:28,268
I recognized it was favorable
to Jason Lively.
519
00:23:28,268 --> 00:23:30,270
Can you walk me
through the report?
520
00:23:30,270 --> 00:23:31,927
He debunked the notion
521
00:23:31,927 --> 00:23:34,482
that there were two points
of origin.
522
00:23:34,482 --> 00:23:36,967
He said the fire definitely
started inside the floor
523
00:23:36,967 --> 00:23:40,591
between the bedroom floor
and the living room ceiling,
524
00:23:40,591 --> 00:23:43,352
then spread up
to set the bed on fire.
525
00:23:43,352 --> 00:23:45,424
The burning debris fell
to the lower floor,
526
00:23:45,424 --> 00:23:47,115
set the couch on fire,
527
00:23:47,115 --> 00:23:48,772
so he was strongly
of the opinion
528
00:23:48,772 --> 00:23:51,360
that there was only one fire.
529
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:53,949
Only one point of origin
for this fire?
530
00:23:53,949 --> 00:23:55,157
Yes.
531
00:23:55,157 --> 00:23:56,883
♪ ♪
532
00:23:56,883 --> 00:23:58,126
And it couldn't
have even been
533
00:23:58,126 --> 00:24:00,231
someone pouring something
on the floor upstairs.
534
00:24:00,231 --> 00:24:03,027
It had to start in-between
the ceiling and the floor.
535
00:24:03,027 --> 00:24:04,201
In-between.
536
00:24:04,201 --> 00:24:06,514
He believed
it was an accidental fire
537
00:24:06,514 --> 00:24:10,656
caused by an electrical box
under the bedroom floor.
538
00:24:10,656 --> 00:24:13,486
What made him think
it was electrical in nature?
539
00:24:13,486 --> 00:24:15,695
The fire had smoldered
for several hours,
540
00:24:15,695 --> 00:24:17,594
burning a wide area
of the subfloor
541
00:24:17,594 --> 00:24:19,423
and wooden joists.
542
00:24:19,423 --> 00:24:21,494
Those beams
are completely gone.
543
00:24:21,494 --> 00:24:24,428
It all pointed
to the fire having started
544
00:24:24,428 --> 00:24:26,223
where the electrical wiring
runs through.
545
00:24:26,223 --> 00:24:27,535
♪ ♪
546
00:24:27,535 --> 00:24:31,228
So the original
state fire marshal's report
547
00:24:31,228 --> 00:24:34,024
says that
"this fire was willful
548
00:24:34,024 --> 00:24:37,372
"and malicious in nature,
set in order
549
00:24:37,372 --> 00:24:40,306
to burn the structure
and its contents."
550
00:24:40,306 --> 00:24:45,414
And here you have an expert
that is nationally recognized
551
00:24:45,414 --> 00:24:49,349
saying that it is electrical
in nature
552
00:24:49,349 --> 00:24:53,595
and accidental and that there
was only one point of origin.
553
00:24:53,595 --> 00:24:57,737
So if this report comes back
and says no arson,
554
00:24:57,737 --> 00:25:00,706
what does that mean
for a murder conviction?
555
00:25:00,706 --> 00:25:02,397
If this was not
a deliberately set fire,
556
00:25:02,397 --> 00:25:05,124
then he's not guilty of murder.
557
00:25:05,124 --> 00:25:07,057
I was no longer
the prosecuting attorney
558
00:25:07,057 --> 00:25:10,716
at that point,
so I provided that report
559
00:25:10,716 --> 00:25:13,166
to the defense attorneys
and said, you know,
560
00:25:13,166 --> 00:25:16,135
"You need to look at this.
This is exculpatory evidence."
561
00:25:16,135 --> 00:25:17,792
♪ ♪
562
00:25:17,792 --> 00:25:20,553
The first time I read
Craig Beyler's report,
563
00:25:20,553 --> 00:25:22,313
I'm seeing
all of this information
564
00:25:22,313 --> 00:25:23,798
that's on his side
565
00:25:23,798 --> 00:25:26,317
that nobody
had really talked about.
566
00:25:26,317 --> 00:25:28,354
This man has degrees
from Harvard.
567
00:25:28,354 --> 00:25:29,700
I think one of the people
568
00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:31,322
that investigated
to begin with
569
00:25:31,322 --> 00:25:34,153
had a few weeks' training,
and so I kind of thought,
570
00:25:34,153 --> 00:25:35,741
"Okay, we're gonna break this
wide open,
571
00:25:35,741 --> 00:25:37,259
and he's gonna get out soon."
572
00:25:37,259 --> 00:25:44,232
♪ ♪
573
00:25:45,233 --> 00:25:47,476
It sounded so good.
574
00:25:47,476 --> 00:25:49,686
I was so happy,
I was calling family.
575
00:25:49,686 --> 00:25:53,137
God has answered our prayers.
Jason's coming home.
576
00:25:53,137 --> 00:25:54,311
♪ ♪
577
00:26:02,146 --> 00:26:05,011
I was called as a witness
at the habeas corpus hearing.
578
00:26:05,011 --> 00:26:06,944
I had not been prepared.
579
00:26:07,048 --> 00:26:08,532
I didn't have a copy
of the report.
580
00:26:08,532 --> 00:26:10,465
No one prepped you
before the hearing?
581
00:26:10,465 --> 00:26:12,260
No one talked to me,
and I thought
582
00:26:12,260 --> 00:26:13,917
they would have
Dr. Beyler there,
583
00:26:13,917 --> 00:26:16,057
because I'm not an expert
in fire investigations,
584
00:26:16,057 --> 00:26:19,647
but he wasn't there,
so I testified that,
585
00:26:19,647 --> 00:26:21,787
from my recollection
at the time,
586
00:26:21,787 --> 00:26:23,892
that it probably was
an electric fire,
587
00:26:23,892 --> 00:26:26,032
but it could've been
something else.
588
00:26:26,136 --> 00:26:27,516
My understanding was that
589
00:26:27,516 --> 00:26:30,692
he didn't completely rule out arson.
590
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:35,904
Sid Bell didn't explain it
the right way.
591
00:26:35,904 --> 00:26:40,184
He misinterpreted
what the report was saying.
592
00:26:40,184 --> 00:26:45,362
♪ ♪
593
00:26:45,362 --> 00:26:47,847
That was all
of his state appeals,
594
00:26:47,847 --> 00:26:51,851
12 years,
thousands of dollars gone,
595
00:26:51,851 --> 00:26:54,026
nobody left to turn to.
596
00:27:11,146 --> 00:27:13,770
Things got ugly.
Things got dark.
597
00:27:13,873 --> 00:27:17,946
Jason was very depressed.
I was very depressed.
598
00:27:17,946 --> 00:27:21,191
Craig Beyler's report
didn't help him come home,
599
00:27:21,191 --> 00:27:23,193
so now what?
600
00:27:25,195 --> 00:27:28,094
[soft guitar music]
601
00:27:28,198 --> 00:27:30,649
♪ ♪
602
00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:32,512
I took a stand for Jason,
603
00:27:32,616 --> 00:27:36,931
and I was kind of scared to
because Jason was a murderer
604
00:27:36,931 --> 00:27:38,380
to everyone.
605
00:27:38,484 --> 00:27:42,453
Everyone in our small town,
they listen to what they hear,
606
00:27:42,453 --> 00:27:44,973
so it was arson,
it was murder.
607
00:27:44,973 --> 00:27:46,803
And I thought,
"How can I get anyone
608
00:27:46,906 --> 00:27:49,875
to believe in his innocence
and help me fight?"
609
00:27:49,875 --> 00:27:53,533
So I went online,
shared a few transcripts,
610
00:27:53,533 --> 00:27:56,053
and talked about his case
611
00:27:56,053 --> 00:27:57,779
to try to get the public
to understand,
612
00:27:57,779 --> 00:28:00,057
you know,
how wrong Jason was done.
613
00:28:00,057 --> 00:28:03,302
The Craig Beyler report
had so much evidence
614
00:28:03,302 --> 00:28:04,821
in Jason's favor.
615
00:28:04,924 --> 00:28:06,719
I started to get feedback
from the public,
616
00:28:06,719 --> 00:28:08,687
and some opinions
were turned around
617
00:28:08,687 --> 00:28:09,964
with what I was posting.
618
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:31,330
Us working on that together--
619
00:28:31,433 --> 00:28:32,883
Jason's charismatic.
620
00:28:32,883 --> 00:28:35,575
Yeah, I fell in love with him
along the way.
621
00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:36,956
♪ ♪
622
00:28:48,796 --> 00:28:50,556
I did not know
the road ahead of me
623
00:28:50,659 --> 00:28:54,353
and how hard that was gonna be,
but having feelings for him,
624
00:28:54,353 --> 00:28:56,700
it was painful.
625
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:59,151
If I could've stopped it all,
I would've,
626
00:28:59,151 --> 00:29:01,463
but...
627
00:29:01,463 --> 00:29:03,120
it just happened.
628
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,159
♪
629
00:29:09,126 --> 00:29:11,957
Jason's lawyer
said that this is as far
630
00:29:12,060 --> 00:29:13,752
as he could take Jason's case
631
00:29:13,855 --> 00:29:16,030
because now it's gonna go
into the federal court.
632
00:29:16,133 --> 00:29:18,826
He said that we would have
to get another attorney,
633
00:29:18,826 --> 00:29:21,690
which would be at least
another 50,000 to start.
634
00:29:21,690 --> 00:29:23,071
♪
635
00:29:23,071 --> 00:29:24,728
And we didn't have
any more money
636
00:29:24,728 --> 00:29:27,075
for attorneys.
637
00:29:27,075 --> 00:29:28,767
The other option
was the Innocence Project.
638
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:31,942
[soft dramatic music]
639
00:29:32,046 --> 00:29:37,983
♪ ♪
640
00:29:37,983 --> 00:29:40,606
Jason had been in prison
more than a decade.
641
00:29:40,709 --> 00:29:44,644
What struck me
was just how adamant he was
642
00:29:44,748 --> 00:29:46,612
that he didn't do this.
643
00:29:46,612 --> 00:29:47,924
He was also grateful
that someone
644
00:29:47,924 --> 00:29:49,753
was finally listening.
645
00:29:49,753 --> 00:29:51,859
When we got
the original habeas report
646
00:29:51,962 --> 00:29:53,930
and when we saw
the former prosecutor
647
00:29:53,930 --> 00:29:56,864
Sid Bell's false testimony
about the Beyler report,
648
00:29:56,864 --> 00:29:59,280
we knew something wrong
had happened here.
649
00:29:59,383 --> 00:30:01,869
Dr. Beyler's report showed
650
00:30:01,869 --> 00:30:05,217
it's not murder
because it wasn't arson.
651
00:30:05,217 --> 00:30:07,806
Dr. Beyler hadn't spoken
with anybody
652
00:30:07,806 --> 00:30:10,912
about this case since 2012,
and when we read him
653
00:30:10,912 --> 00:30:12,396
what had been said
at the hearing,
654
00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:13,846
he was horrified.
655
00:30:13,846 --> 00:30:15,883
He said,
"I can't believe this.
656
00:30:15,986 --> 00:30:18,851
There's a person
in prison right now?"
657
00:30:18,851 --> 00:30:21,647
Trying to correct
this terrible mistake
658
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:24,201
began with us reaching out
to Sid Bell,
659
00:30:24,305 --> 00:30:26,134
so we drove out
to West Virginia,
660
00:30:26,134 --> 00:30:27,998
and Dr. Beyler met us there.
661
00:30:28,102 --> 00:30:29,379
♪ ♪
662
00:30:29,379 --> 00:30:31,070
This was incredibly awkward
663
00:30:31,070 --> 00:30:32,692
because we had seen
the transcript
664
00:30:32,796 --> 00:30:36,041
where Sid Bell had misstated
what Dr. Beyler had told him,
665
00:30:36,041 --> 00:30:38,353
and we assumed that
that was intentional,
666
00:30:38,353 --> 00:30:42,047
that Sid Bell was preserving
what he should have known
667
00:30:42,047 --> 00:30:43,945
was a wrongful conviction.
668
00:30:43,945 --> 00:30:46,430
We thought that he was
the villain of this story.
669
00:30:46,534 --> 00:30:48,777
♪ ♪
670
00:30:48,881 --> 00:30:50,469
So this big meeting happens.
671
00:30:50,469 --> 00:30:52,160
Was that your first time
meeting Beyler in-person?
672
00:30:52,264 --> 00:30:53,782
In-person, yes.
673
00:30:53,782 --> 00:30:56,233
Dr. Beyler explained
that he is very strongly
674
00:30:56,337 --> 00:30:59,478
of the opinion
that this was not arson
675
00:30:59,478 --> 00:31:02,308
and that Lively's conviction
should be set aside
676
00:31:02,308 --> 00:31:04,000
because it wasn't
a deliberately set fire
677
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,725
by a human being.
- Wasn't a murder.
678
00:31:05,725 --> 00:31:09,384
So how did you feel finding out
that there was no murder,
679
00:31:09,384 --> 00:31:11,766
that an innocent man
was in prison,
680
00:31:11,766 --> 00:31:13,802
and that you were a part of it?
681
00:31:13,802 --> 00:31:14,907
It's disturbing.
682
00:31:14,907 --> 00:31:16,702
I mean, you stay awake at night
683
00:31:16,702 --> 00:31:18,911
thinking about things
like that.
684
00:31:18,911 --> 00:31:20,361
When they came to meet with me,
685
00:31:20,361 --> 00:31:22,294
I'm sure they thought
I might have the attitude,
686
00:31:22,397 --> 00:31:24,468
"This is my conviction,
and I want it upheld."
687
00:31:24,468 --> 00:31:28,334
But I acknowledged
that we were wrong.
688
00:31:28,334 --> 00:31:30,681
It was one of
the most incredible moments
689
00:31:30,681 --> 00:31:33,270
of my career,
and he wrote an affidavit
690
00:31:33,374 --> 00:31:35,272
that I don't think
I'll ever see again.
691
00:31:35,272 --> 00:31:38,344
He admitted he had made
a terrible mistake.
692
00:31:38,448 --> 00:31:40,070
♪ ♪
693
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:42,176
We provided
Sid Bell's affidavit
694
00:31:42,176 --> 00:31:45,075
to the solicitor general's
office in West Virginia.
695
00:31:45,179 --> 00:31:52,324
♪ ♪
696
00:31:53,187 --> 00:31:56,915
Dr. Glen Jackson
agrees 100% with Dr. Beyler
697
00:31:56,915 --> 00:31:59,020
that this was accidental.
698
00:31:59,124 --> 00:32:01,540
He also adds
additional findings.
699
00:32:01,540 --> 00:32:03,749
The finding about the toluene
700
00:32:03,852 --> 00:32:06,131
had been a false assumption
all along.
701
00:32:06,234 --> 00:32:09,444
The sample that was found
at the fire scene
702
00:32:09,548 --> 00:32:11,757
could not have come
from gasoline,
703
00:32:11,757 --> 00:32:15,347
and it could not have come
from charcoal starter fluid.
704
00:32:15,450 --> 00:32:19,420
However, if you burn wood,
that creates toluene.
705
00:32:19,420 --> 00:32:21,215
Sid Bell admitted
that that testimony
706
00:32:21,215 --> 00:32:22,733
that he had put on
had been false.
707
00:32:22,733 --> 00:32:24,632
♪
708
00:32:27,462 --> 00:32:30,396
[soft music]
709
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:32,191
♪ ♪
710
00:32:32,295 --> 00:32:34,780
We waited and waited
and waited.
711
00:32:34,780 --> 00:32:37,127
There was no timeline.
712
00:32:37,127 --> 00:32:40,061
It's very lonely,
very heartbreaking.
713
00:32:52,211 --> 00:32:55,076
They kept him there
years and years.
714
00:32:55,076 --> 00:32:58,183
It's like kidnapping,
and he had to defend himself
715
00:32:58,183 --> 00:33:00,599
physically
on multiple occasions
716
00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:03,188
from some truly vicious people.
717
00:33:03,188 --> 00:33:06,087
The Aryan Brotherhood
had a hit out to kill him
718
00:33:06,087 --> 00:33:08,193
because he refused to join.
719
00:33:08,193 --> 00:33:11,472
They always wanted Jason
to have a tattoo,
720
00:33:11,472 --> 00:33:14,854
to put their mark on him,
and he never would,
721
00:33:14,958 --> 00:33:17,961
so they put a hit on him
to take his life,
722
00:33:17,961 --> 00:33:19,031
and there had been
723
00:33:19,135 --> 00:33:20,860
other prisoners in there murdered.
724
00:33:20,964 --> 00:33:22,276
♪ ♪
725
00:33:22,379 --> 00:33:24,899
And so Jason spent
the majority of his time
726
00:33:24,899 --> 00:33:27,453
in prison
in solitary confinement.
727
00:33:27,557 --> 00:33:28,903
♪ ♪
728
00:33:28,903 --> 00:33:31,078
It's absolutely torture,
what he went through,
729
00:33:31,078 --> 00:33:33,873
especially after the state
had developed evidence
730
00:33:33,873 --> 00:33:35,358
showing he was innocent.
731
00:33:35,358 --> 00:33:42,261
♪ ♪
732
00:33:42,261 --> 00:33:47,094
"Dear Emily, the time to act
to stop this injustice is now.
733
00:33:47,197 --> 00:33:48,336
"We have had knowledge of this
734
00:33:48,336 --> 00:33:49,510
"compelling
exculpatory evidence
735
00:33:49,510 --> 00:33:51,305
"for two years.
736
00:33:51,305 --> 00:33:53,755
"Further delay
based on our failure to act
737
00:33:53,755 --> 00:33:56,344
would be immoral
and unethical."
738
00:33:56,448 --> 00:34:03,248
♪ ♪
739
00:34:04,111 --> 00:34:06,113
And so the court
schedules a hearing.
740
00:34:06,113 --> 00:34:07,976
The lead-up to that hearing
is excruciating.
741
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,806
It was very uncertain
what would happen.
742
00:34:09,806 --> 00:34:11,187
♪ ♪
743
00:34:13,189 --> 00:34:15,915
[soft dramatic music]
744
00:34:16,019 --> 00:34:23,164
♪ ♪
745
00:34:27,858 --> 00:34:29,757
I could've got out right then,
746
00:34:29,757 --> 00:34:32,932
but I'd've had to walk out
and say that I did it.
747
00:34:32,932 --> 00:34:34,865
After you do 14 years
748
00:34:34,865 --> 00:34:37,765
and you're in
solitary confinement,
749
00:34:37,765 --> 00:34:40,975
and somebody telling you
that you can leave right now
750
00:34:40,975 --> 00:34:42,839
and be with your wife
and the ones
751
00:34:42,839 --> 00:34:46,739
you been dying to be with
for years...
752
00:34:46,843 --> 00:34:49,570
but you ain't gonna have
no future,
753
00:34:49,570 --> 00:34:52,987
and you gon' have to admit
that you're wrong
754
00:34:52,987 --> 00:34:55,438
and say that I was guilty
of murder.
755
00:34:55,438 --> 00:34:57,509
All that time, all that
they took away from me
756
00:34:57,509 --> 00:34:59,476
being for nothing.
757
00:34:59,476 --> 00:35:00,891
I turned 'em down.
758
00:35:00,891 --> 00:35:05,448
♪
759
00:35:05,448 --> 00:35:06,794
[knock on door]
760
00:35:08,899 --> 00:35:10,004
- Hey, hello.
- Hi, Jason!
761
00:35:10,004 --> 00:35:11,143
How you doing?
Come on in.
762
00:35:11,143 --> 00:35:12,455
How are you, boss?
Nice to meet you.
763
00:35:12,455 --> 00:35:13,939
- Nice to meet you, ma'am.
- Hi, Billie.
764
00:35:13,939 --> 00:35:16,355
- Hey, nice to meet you.
- I'm so happy to meet you.
765
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:20,152
Can you tell me about this?
766
00:35:20,152 --> 00:35:21,291
This is my cell
in Mount Olive.
767
00:35:21,291 --> 00:35:23,190
This is where I stayed in.
768
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:25,123
That right there,
that's 11 years right there.
769
00:35:25,123 --> 00:35:26,503
You spent 11 years
in this room?
770
00:35:26,503 --> 00:35:28,574
11 [bleep] years
in that right there.
771
00:35:28,678 --> 00:35:31,543
♪ ♪
772
00:35:31,543 --> 00:35:34,718
So September of 2020,
you have been in prison
773
00:35:34,718 --> 00:35:37,342
since 2005?
- Yeah.
774
00:35:37,342 --> 00:35:39,482
And you get called
into this hearing
775
00:35:39,482 --> 00:35:41,415
with your lawyer Andrew George.
776
00:35:41,415 --> 00:35:43,279
This is what kind of hearing?
777
00:35:43,279 --> 00:35:47,731
For the judge to say if Jason
could come home or not.
778
00:35:47,731 --> 00:35:49,768
- To get me out.
- To vacate the sentence?
779
00:35:49,768 --> 00:35:50,907
To vacate my sentence, yeah.
780
00:35:50,907 --> 00:35:53,047
And Andrew told me,
"I don't know
781
00:35:53,047 --> 00:35:55,532
if Jason's coming home or not."
- Uh-huh.
782
00:35:55,532 --> 00:35:58,294
We were asking a judge
to do something extraordinary
783
00:35:58,294 --> 00:35:59,536
at this hearing,
784
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,607
which was to throw out
a conviction.
785
00:36:01,607 --> 00:36:04,472
We didn't know whether or not
the judge would do that.
786
00:36:04,576 --> 00:36:06,094
♪ ♪
787
00:36:06,094 --> 00:36:09,477
I was told to pick Jason
some clothes out.
788
00:36:09,477 --> 00:36:10,961
Had 'em packed in a bag,
789
00:36:10,961 --> 00:36:13,654
and we had no idea
what to expect.
790
00:36:13,654 --> 00:36:15,173
♪ ♪
791
00:36:15,276 --> 00:36:18,279
Jason comes in
in his full prison outfit,
792
00:36:18,383 --> 00:36:20,385
and the judge started
with the findings
793
00:36:20,385 --> 00:36:22,559
that led to Jason's conviction.
794
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:24,699
It didn't look
so great for us.
795
00:36:24,699 --> 00:36:26,425
♪
796
00:36:26,529 --> 00:36:28,565
I was just trying
to stay focused,
797
00:36:28,669 --> 00:36:30,636
and the whole time,
when he's talking,
798
00:36:30,740 --> 00:36:32,742
I can't...
799
00:36:32,845 --> 00:36:36,366
[sobs softly]
800
00:36:36,366 --> 00:36:37,988
I can't make out
what he's saying,
801
00:36:38,092 --> 00:36:40,128
and it's all going so fast.
802
00:36:40,232 --> 00:36:42,993
Then the judge
went into the new findings
803
00:36:42,993 --> 00:36:45,962
of Dr. Beyler
and the state expert.
804
00:36:45,962 --> 00:36:48,965
He said that,
in light of this new evidence,
805
00:36:48,965 --> 00:36:51,209
no jury
could have convicted you.
806
00:36:51,312 --> 00:36:54,246
There was no arson here.
807
00:36:54,246 --> 00:36:57,560
He affirmatively found
that Jason was innocent.
808
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,424
♪ ♪
809
00:36:59,424 --> 00:37:02,220
And I asked him
if I could go home.
810
00:37:02,323 --> 00:37:03,704
[sniffles]
811
00:37:03,704 --> 00:37:06,362
♪ ♪
812
00:37:06,362 --> 00:37:07,984
He told me I could.
813
00:37:07,984 --> 00:37:11,159
♪ ♪
814
00:37:11,159 --> 00:37:13,817
Hearing the judge
say all these things,
815
00:37:13,921 --> 00:37:15,750
I couldn't process it,
816
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:17,683
and then I look
and see Jason standing up,
817
00:37:17,683 --> 00:37:19,133
and they're taking
the cuffs off,
818
00:37:19,133 --> 00:37:21,687
and that's when
it all came together.
819
00:37:21,791 --> 00:37:23,033
Like, he's coming home.
820
00:37:23,033 --> 00:37:24,828
♪
821
00:37:24,828 --> 00:37:27,210
I just ran up here
and grabbed him,
822
00:37:27,314 --> 00:37:30,420
and I gave him
the biggest hug and kiss.
823
00:37:30,524 --> 00:37:33,665
That was the first time
I was able to really kiss him
824
00:37:33,665 --> 00:37:36,115
in 15 years.
825
00:37:36,115 --> 00:37:38,014
Oh, that was the best feeling
you could--
826
00:37:38,117 --> 00:37:39,912
I could ever have.
827
00:37:39,912 --> 00:37:46,712
♪
828
00:37:46,816 --> 00:37:49,094
It's like the best feeling
you could ever imagine.
829
00:37:49,094 --> 00:37:51,269
I mean, like, oh, my God,
830
00:37:51,372 --> 00:37:55,273
I just exploded in
a million pieces of happiness.
831
00:37:55,273 --> 00:37:57,240
It was something--
- Who all was there that day?
832
00:37:57,240 --> 00:37:58,414
- Everybody.
- Everybody.
833
00:37:58,414 --> 00:38:01,762
Everybody.
We have a big family.
834
00:38:01,865 --> 00:38:04,385
Everyone showed up.
835
00:38:04,385 --> 00:38:06,145
It's almost like a dream,
you know?
836
00:38:06,145 --> 00:38:08,424
So what are your plans now?
837
00:38:08,424 --> 00:38:11,116
- I'm, uh--today?
- Yes.
838
00:38:11,219 --> 00:38:13,705
I'm gonna go
to, uh, my mom's house
839
00:38:13,808 --> 00:38:15,293
and eat steak.
840
00:38:15,396 --> 00:38:17,364
I thought, when Jason
got released that day,
841
00:38:17,467 --> 00:38:20,608
he was gonna be the same Jason
went in,
842
00:38:20,608 --> 00:38:22,507
but...
843
00:38:22,507 --> 00:38:26,545
he still lives in torture.
844
00:38:26,649 --> 00:38:28,961
You know,
you think being exonerated
845
00:38:28,961 --> 00:38:31,309
and coming home and freedom
and then everything's
846
00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:34,760
gonna be okay after that,
but it's not, you know?
847
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,487
Then you have these demons
pop up and PTSD.
848
00:38:37,591 --> 00:38:39,489
- Yeah.
- I think I'm strong.
849
00:38:39,489 --> 00:38:42,043
I know I am,
and that's why it's hard.
850
00:38:42,043 --> 00:38:44,218
Just working every day
and trying--
851
00:38:44,218 --> 00:38:45,978
♪ ♪
852
00:38:45,978 --> 00:38:48,671
I mean, it's a struggle
just to get out of the house.
853
00:38:48,671 --> 00:38:50,880
♪ ♪
854
00:38:50,983 --> 00:38:52,709
You think you're gonna have
this happy ending,
855
00:38:52,813 --> 00:38:55,919
and then that's where almost
the real work starts.
856
00:38:55,919 --> 00:38:57,335
I have good doctors.
857
00:38:57,438 --> 00:39:00,855
They're trying,
but we can't even afford them.
858
00:39:00,855 --> 00:39:02,754
To have Jason
have a decent life
859
00:39:02,754 --> 00:39:05,688
is to see doctors, counseling,
therapy, medications.
860
00:39:05,688 --> 00:39:07,172
Yeah.
861
00:39:07,172 --> 00:39:08,587
It's hard for us.
862
00:39:08,587 --> 00:39:10,796
♪
863
00:39:10,796 --> 00:39:12,798
The state
has a moral obligation
864
00:39:12,798 --> 00:39:15,974
to make him whole
as best as it can.
865
00:39:15,974 --> 00:39:18,597
Jason and Billie
have now gotten married,
866
00:39:18,597 --> 00:39:20,047
and that's wonderful,
867
00:39:20,047 --> 00:39:22,187
but they have to make
ends meet,
868
00:39:22,187 --> 00:39:25,570
So we have petitioned
for Jason for compensation
869
00:39:25,570 --> 00:39:28,607
under a West Virginia statute
that expressly provides
870
00:39:28,607 --> 00:39:31,817
for paying damages to
wrongfully convicted people.
871
00:39:31,817 --> 00:39:35,511
Unfortunately, the state
is moving to dismiss it,
872
00:39:35,511 --> 00:39:37,444
but we're not gonna go away.
873
00:39:37,444 --> 00:39:40,619
We're gonna take this
as far as we possibly can.
874
00:39:40,723 --> 00:39:43,104
They have admitted
that they incarcerated
875
00:39:43,104 --> 00:39:44,865
an innocent man.
876
00:39:44,865 --> 00:39:48,869
What is the cost of 15 years
of a person's life?
877
00:39:48,869 --> 00:39:51,009
There's not a number
you could put
878
00:39:51,009 --> 00:39:54,633
on what they took from Jason
to pay him back
879
00:39:54,633 --> 00:39:57,912
to fix what they did to him.
880
00:39:57,912 --> 00:39:59,707
The state
ain't done nothing for me.
881
00:39:59,707 --> 00:40:01,053
- Mm-hmm.
- You know what I mean?
882
00:40:01,053 --> 00:40:02,710
Nothing.
- Yeah.
883
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:04,781
They haven't even said
I'm sorry,
884
00:40:04,781 --> 00:40:07,025
and if it weren't
for my family and her...
885
00:40:07,025 --> 00:40:08,578
Yeah.
886
00:40:08,578 --> 00:40:09,614
Well, I couldn't
have made it.
887
00:40:09,614 --> 00:40:12,375
♪ ♪
888
00:40:12,479 --> 00:40:15,413
[dog barking]
889
00:40:16,897 --> 00:40:19,796
[somber music]
890
00:40:19,796 --> 00:40:21,971
♪
891
00:40:21,971 --> 00:40:23,697
Oh, wow.
892
00:40:23,697 --> 00:40:27,045
It's just like he left it
the night before he died.
893
00:40:27,045 --> 00:40:30,220
♪ ♪
894
00:40:30,220 --> 00:40:33,948
It's like the house is
a metaphor for the situation.
895
00:40:34,052 --> 00:40:36,572
You know, this fire
happened in 2005,
896
00:40:36,675 --> 00:40:41,577
and it is still sitting here,
a burnt out shell.
897
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,477
It's eerie because two people
lost their lives here.
898
00:40:45,581 --> 00:40:48,584
Doc Whitley died
in this building,
899
00:40:48,687 --> 00:40:50,620
but Jason Lively's life
900
00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:54,279
was ruined by the fire
that happened here
901
00:40:54,279 --> 00:40:58,559
because mistake after mistake
was made,
902
00:40:58,663 --> 00:41:01,320
and when all these mistakes
add up,
903
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,047
what we're left with
are shambles.
904
00:41:04,047 --> 00:41:05,463
Who's gonna fix it?
905
00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:07,430
Who's gonna put this
back together?
906
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:08,880
Who's gonna make it right
907
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,814
for Jason Lively
and his family?
908
00:41:11,814 --> 00:41:16,888
♪ ♪
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