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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,443 --> 00:00:12,316 IVINS: Previously on "The Hot Zone Anthrax". 2 00:00:12,403 --> 00:00:14,666 RYKER: The person who called 911, Thomas Morris, 3 00:00:14,753 --> 00:00:17,147 he's dead, so is Joe Kercy. 4 00:00:17,234 --> 00:00:19,062 (shouting) 5 00:00:19,149 --> 00:00:21,716 This investigation now falls under Operation Noble Eagle. 6 00:00:21,803 --> 00:00:24,589 MARA: I'm forwarding you Bruce's email, so you be careful. 7 00:00:24,676 --> 00:00:26,199 When Bruce gets into these moods, 8 00:00:26,286 --> 00:00:28,332 he sees everyone around him as a threat. 9 00:00:28,419 --> 00:00:30,682 RYKER: So tell me more about your lone wolf theory. 10 00:00:30,769 --> 00:00:32,988 TORETTI: All signs point to our perp being a 11 00:00:33,076 --> 00:00:36,775 highly-educated American citizen with scientific expertise. 12 00:00:36,862 --> 00:00:39,647 HAIGWOOD: Bruce can snap. 13 00:00:39,734 --> 00:00:42,476 You don't know what Bruce is capable of. 14 00:00:42,563 --> 00:00:43,869 FOLSON: So what should I do with the report? 15 00:00:43,956 --> 00:00:45,436 MCALLISTER: Just file it. 16 00:00:45,523 --> 00:00:47,525 RYKER: The results came back, it's Ames. 17 00:00:47,612 --> 00:00:49,701 CLEMONS: Ames strain? 18 00:00:49,788 --> 00:00:50,745 I didn't think it existed outside of high security research labs. 19 00:00:50,832 --> 00:00:52,747 RYKER: It doesn't. 20 00:00:52,834 --> 00:00:53,922 RUMSFELD: (over TV) This administration is not afraid 21 00:00:54,009 --> 00:00:55,794 of saying the word Iraq. 22 00:00:55,881 --> 00:00:57,796 Iraq has been on the terrorist list for years. 23 00:00:57,883 --> 00:01:00,755 RYKER: That's USAMRIID, one of only 16 labs in the US that 24 00:01:00,842 --> 00:01:03,671 has the Ames strain which means the anthrax came from 25 00:01:03,758 --> 00:01:06,631 the most respected biodefense lab in the country. 26 00:01:08,459 --> 00:01:15,248 (distant sirens) 27 00:01:24,779 --> 00:01:31,308 (distant sirens) 28 00:01:38,445 --> 00:01:44,930 ♫ ♫ 29 00:01:52,764 --> 00:01:56,550 (overlapping chatter) 30 00:01:59,292 --> 00:02:05,907 (distant sirens) 31 00:02:11,739 --> 00:02:13,567 IVINS: Sometimes I go places. 32 00:02:17,005 --> 00:02:19,138 Bad neighborhoods in Baltimore, 33 00:02:19,225 --> 00:02:21,662 hoping somebody will pick a fight. 34 00:02:23,142 --> 00:02:24,448 No one's cleaning up the streets. 35 00:02:24,535 --> 00:02:27,146 There's no justice out there. 36 00:02:27,233 --> 00:02:28,843 HALSTROM: Justice? 37 00:02:31,237 --> 00:02:34,153 Are you saying that you carry a loaded weapon? 38 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:35,763 Bruce, in those moments are you considering 39 00:02:35,850 --> 00:02:37,678 doing bodily harm to someone? 40 00:02:37,765 --> 00:02:40,115 IVINS: People harm people for bad reasons all the time. 41 00:02:40,203 --> 00:02:41,595 (scoffs) 42 00:02:41,682 --> 00:02:43,771 If I wanted to do real damage, 43 00:02:43,858 --> 00:02:45,599 every day I work with deadly diseases 44 00:02:45,686 --> 00:02:46,861 no one's never even heard of, 45 00:02:46,948 --> 00:02:48,863 USAMRIID's full of them. 46 00:02:48,950 --> 00:02:53,651 One vial from my lab, I could contaminate the water supply, 47 00:02:53,738 --> 00:02:55,957 wipe out a whole city. 48 00:02:59,091 --> 00:03:01,180 Obviously I'm not that person. 49 00:03:01,267 --> 00:03:05,053 I wanna help people and save lives like my anthrax vaccine. 50 00:03:05,140 --> 00:03:06,968 Why don't they see that? 51 00:03:07,055 --> 00:03:08,970 HALSTROM: Who? 52 00:03:09,057 --> 00:03:12,800 IVINS: The FBI, they subpoenaed anthrax samples from us. 53 00:03:12,887 --> 00:03:15,325 Keep poking on our labs like we're the suspects, us, 54 00:03:15,412 --> 00:03:20,504 the good guys, when there's terrorists out there. 55 00:03:20,591 --> 00:03:22,288 (reporter on TV) I'll tell you, Lisa, 56 00:03:22,375 --> 00:03:24,247 senators here on Capitol Hill are frustrated 57 00:03:24,334 --> 00:03:28,338 by the FBI's sleepy response to the anthrax attacks. 58 00:03:28,425 --> 00:03:30,688 Five Americans have lost their lives and 59 00:03:30,775 --> 00:03:33,473 yet no terrorists are in custody. 60 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,042 COPAK: I'll make sure we get a call on the Southwest today. 61 00:03:37,129 --> 00:03:38,957 RYKER: What's going on? 62 00:03:39,044 --> 00:03:41,351 POLK: Copak's adding two more teams to the investigation. 63 00:03:41,438 --> 00:03:44,310 COPAK: Miller and Reilly, 64 00:03:44,397 --> 00:03:47,270 you'll join Sykes' team as well. 65 00:03:49,315 --> 00:03:52,884 Senate just voted to send our troops into Iraq, 66 00:03:52,971 --> 00:03:56,714 people's husbands, sons, wives, daughters 67 00:03:56,801 --> 00:03:59,934 will be risking their lives to fight terrorists. 68 00:04:00,021 --> 00:04:04,069 We owe it to them to find the terrorists here on our soil. 69 00:04:04,156 --> 00:04:06,289 They've been out on the streets too long. 70 00:04:06,376 --> 00:04:09,074 We need results. 71 00:04:09,161 --> 00:04:13,861 Everyone, run down your own leads, stay in your lanes, 72 00:04:13,948 --> 00:04:17,082 too easy to influence each other, pull focus. 73 00:04:17,169 --> 00:04:19,737 Whoever gets me a smoking gun first 74 00:04:19,824 --> 00:04:23,915 I'm shifting all resources to their team. 75 00:04:24,002 --> 00:04:28,267 America needs to see someone in handcuffs dragged into Guantanamo. 76 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:41,672 (theme music playing) 77 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,200 {\an7}Improved Subtitle by Sailor420 78 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,200 {\an3}!!! Hope you enjoy the show !!! 79 00:04:51,638 --> 00:04:53,292 RYKER: I need to talk to the head of the labs. 80 00:04:53,379 --> 00:04:55,381 Chris, why don't you pull access records? 81 00:04:55,468 --> 00:04:57,514 MOORE: Okay. I'll flag anybody who was working unusual hours 82 00:04:57,601 --> 00:05:00,081 in BSL three and four around the time of the mailing. 83 00:05:00,168 --> 00:05:02,823 RYKER: Yeah, start with the day after 9/11. 84 00:05:02,910 --> 00:05:04,564 MOORE: After? RYKER: Yeah. 85 00:05:04,651 --> 00:05:06,218 The powder in the attack letter is cruder than in 86 00:05:06,305 --> 00:05:08,394 the second batch like it was made in a hurry, 87 00:05:08,481 --> 00:05:11,179 probably in response to the towers. 88 00:05:11,266 --> 00:05:13,268 LIVINGSTON: You're turning the microscope on the same scientist 89 00:05:13,356 --> 00:05:15,053 you're asking help solve this. 90 00:05:15,140 --> 00:05:16,881 Got everybody on edge. 91 00:05:16,968 --> 00:05:18,491 RYKER: Dr. Livingston, why did you team drag its feet 92 00:05:18,578 --> 00:05:20,972 submitting samples under subpoena? 93 00:05:21,059 --> 00:05:23,322 LIVINGSTON: Do you have any idea how overtaxed this place has been since 9/11? 94 00:05:23,409 --> 00:05:24,976 RYKER: I got a pretty good idea. 95 00:05:25,063 --> 00:05:26,369 LIVINGSTON: Our samples should be arriving at 96 00:05:26,456 --> 00:05:28,501 your repository in Arizona today. 97 00:05:28,588 --> 00:05:30,460 RYKER: Other labs submitted to the subpoena days ago. 98 00:05:30,547 --> 00:05:31,896 LIVINGSTON: Yeah. 99 00:05:31,983 --> 00:05:33,767 I've spoken to some of those labs. 100 00:05:33,854 --> 00:05:36,901 They don't have agents running all over their facility. 101 00:05:36,988 --> 00:05:38,685 RYKER: Why do you think that is? 102 00:05:40,905 --> 00:05:42,254 We wouldn't be here if we didn't have evidence 103 00:05:42,341 --> 00:05:44,430 leading us back to USAMRIID. 104 00:05:44,517 --> 00:05:46,432 TORETTI: We're gonna need to see psych evals on 105 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:48,565 all personnel with access to level three and 106 00:05:48,652 --> 00:05:50,088 level four hot suites. 107 00:05:50,175 --> 00:05:51,219 LIVINGSTON: Psych evaluations? 108 00:05:51,306 --> 00:05:53,178 I mean, we don't do those. 109 00:05:53,265 --> 00:05:55,267 TORETTI: You're telling me you have scientists working with 110 00:05:55,354 --> 00:05:58,183 every lethal pathogen on this planet, 111 00:05:58,270 --> 00:06:01,229 and no one ever thought to monitor their mental stability? 112 00:06:03,797 --> 00:06:05,451 (sighs) 113 00:06:05,538 --> 00:06:07,671 Okay, well, then we need every personnel file. 114 00:06:20,553 --> 00:06:27,038 ♫ ♫ 115 00:06:35,089 --> 00:06:36,395 (sighs) 116 00:06:38,353 --> 00:06:39,485 (coins rattling) 117 00:06:51,410 --> 00:06:55,240 MOORE: I've got another one, left the lab a little late, 118 00:06:55,327 --> 00:06:57,198 entered the hot suite alone, 119 00:06:57,285 --> 00:06:59,157 stayed for two hours. 120 00:07:01,376 --> 00:07:03,596 RYKER: Add the name. 121 00:07:03,683 --> 00:07:06,033 I'll go see if Dani has flagged anyone on the list. 122 00:07:09,646 --> 00:07:16,479 (breathing heavily) 123 00:07:30,144 --> 00:07:33,800 KURZ: You delayed submitting your anthrax samples for weeks. 124 00:07:33,887 --> 00:07:36,063 Arizona says you kept calling for clarification 125 00:07:36,150 --> 00:07:37,587 on how to submit. 126 00:07:37,674 --> 00:07:39,066 IVINS: So? 127 00:07:39,153 --> 00:07:40,546 KURZ: So, it's pretty simple, Bruce. 128 00:07:40,633 --> 00:07:41,808 IVINS: I sent in the samples. 129 00:07:41,895 --> 00:07:43,244 They should have them by now. 130 00:07:43,331 --> 00:07:44,289 KURZ: You used the wrong slants. 131 00:07:44,376 --> 00:07:46,204 They won't accept it. 132 00:07:46,291 --> 00:07:47,335 IVINS: Because those generic slants they want a malarkey, 133 00:07:47,422 --> 00:07:48,772 mine are better. 134 00:07:48,859 --> 00:07:50,034 LIVINGSTON: They don't care, Bruce. 135 00:07:50,121 --> 00:07:51,731 IVINS: Well, they should care. 136 00:07:51,818 --> 00:07:53,254 Does no one give a darn about quality anymore? 137 00:07:53,341 --> 00:07:55,518 KURZ: Just follow their protocol, Bruce. 138 00:07:55,605 --> 00:07:57,824 You're making us look like we've got something to hide. 139 00:07:57,911 --> 00:08:00,958 LIVINGSTON: I've told Arizona to dispose of your submissions. 140 00:08:01,045 --> 00:08:02,350 We've promised that you would comply and 141 00:08:02,437 --> 00:08:04,265 re-submit right away. 142 00:08:04,352 --> 00:08:05,745 (laughs) 143 00:08:05,832 --> 00:08:07,225 IVINS: I'm not surprised, Adya, 144 00:08:07,312 --> 00:08:08,748 since you've been best buddies with 145 00:08:08,835 --> 00:08:09,880 every FBI agent who's walked in here. 146 00:08:09,967 --> 00:08:11,795 LIVINGSTON: Jesus Christ. 147 00:08:11,882 --> 00:08:13,318 IVINS: I didn't wanna be the one to tell you but people are 148 00:08:13,405 --> 00:08:14,667 beginning to wonder what side you're on. 149 00:08:14,754 --> 00:08:16,321 KURZ: We're all on the same side, Bruce. 150 00:08:18,279 --> 00:08:19,977 LIVINGSTON: We should all be careful. 151 00:08:20,064 --> 00:08:22,066 These are not glorified cops with badges. 152 00:08:22,153 --> 00:08:24,242 Some of these agents are scientists. 153 00:08:24,329 --> 00:08:25,765 And if you don't submit, 154 00:08:25,852 --> 00:08:26,984 they will sweep in and do it for you. 155 00:08:29,334 --> 00:08:31,118 HALSTROM: How's your anxiety? 156 00:08:31,205 --> 00:08:33,599 The Valium should help get a handle on that. 157 00:08:33,686 --> 00:08:35,383 Have you noticed a difference with the new dosage? 158 00:08:35,470 --> 00:08:37,168 IVINS: We're under attack! 159 00:08:37,255 --> 00:08:39,387 There's no meds that will fix that! 160 00:08:39,474 --> 00:08:43,043 HALSTROM: We're here to handle how you react to those situations. 161 00:08:43,130 --> 00:08:45,524 And was Baltimore the only long drive you've taken lately 162 00:08:45,611 --> 00:08:47,047 or have there been others? 163 00:08:49,310 --> 00:08:51,008 IVINS: We're almost out of time. 164 00:08:51,095 --> 00:08:52,923 HALSTROM: You missed group therapy twice. 165 00:08:53,010 --> 00:08:55,012 Were you on one of your drives? 166 00:08:58,929 --> 00:09:00,887 IVINS: I went to see Mara. 167 00:09:00,974 --> 00:09:02,889 HALSTROM: You said she lived in upstate New York. 168 00:09:02,976 --> 00:09:04,717 Why did you go see her? 169 00:09:11,898 --> 00:09:14,118 IVINS: I must have been really mad. 170 00:09:18,992 --> 00:09:20,777 HALSTROM: Did you have your gun? 171 00:09:25,564 --> 00:09:27,131 What did you do, Bruce? 172 00:09:35,008 --> 00:09:37,315 IVINS: I might have put something in wine. 173 00:09:41,275 --> 00:09:43,016 But I didn't give it to her. 174 00:09:45,540 --> 00:09:47,238 I realized... 175 00:09:50,981 --> 00:09:54,245 It's like that poem, 176 00:09:54,332 --> 00:09:55,594 and all those emails, 177 00:09:55,681 --> 00:09:56,856 I find after I've sent them and 178 00:09:56,943 --> 00:09:59,119 I don't remember. 179 00:10:04,995 --> 00:10:08,346 This is all confidential, isn't it? 180 00:10:08,433 --> 00:10:11,697 HALSTROM: Yes. 181 00:10:11,784 --> 00:10:16,528 Unless I feel that you are becoming a threat to yourself, 182 00:10:16,615 --> 00:10:18,182 or to others. 183 00:10:22,926 --> 00:10:25,929 TORETTI: Thank you so much for agreeing to sit down with me today. 184 00:10:26,016 --> 00:10:30,150 I understand how disruptive this is. 185 00:10:30,237 --> 00:10:34,807 And I know you guys are all professionals protecting America and 186 00:10:34,894 --> 00:10:38,593 it's exactly what this interview is going to prove today. 187 00:10:38,681 --> 00:10:41,248 So let's start by talking a little bit about 188 00:10:41,335 --> 00:10:43,860 some of your coworkers. 189 00:10:43,947 --> 00:10:46,950 Tell me about Dr. Kurz. 190 00:10:47,037 --> 00:10:49,213 Does he have any connections overseas, 191 00:10:49,300 --> 00:10:51,694 maybe the Middle East? 192 00:10:51,781 --> 00:10:53,652 MAN: Not that I know of. 193 00:10:53,739 --> 00:10:57,177 He is very dedicated, doesn't joke around much. 194 00:10:57,264 --> 00:11:00,964 TORETTI: What's it like, uh, working for Dr. Livingston? 195 00:11:01,051 --> 00:11:02,922 Do you ever hear her criticize the government? 196 00:11:03,009 --> 00:11:05,490 MAN 2: Well, no more than anyone else nowadays. 197 00:11:05,577 --> 00:11:08,188 MAN 3: Not sure, uh, honestly it took a while to get to know her. 198 00:11:08,275 --> 00:11:10,408 MAN 4: She's made some amazing breakthroughs here though. 199 00:11:10,495 --> 00:11:16,806 TORETTI: I have heard nothing but good things about, uh, Dr. Ivins. 200 00:11:16,893 --> 00:11:19,199 MAN: Ivins, what can you say? 201 00:11:19,286 --> 00:11:20,592 MAN 3: Bruce is Bruce. 202 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:21,941 He's always quick with the joke, 203 00:11:22,028 --> 00:11:23,943 he's a seriously good researcher. 204 00:11:24,030 --> 00:11:26,511 I had to cut this tree down in my yard and who shows up on a, 205 00:11:26,598 --> 00:11:28,861 on a Saturday with a chainsaw. 206 00:11:28,948 --> 00:11:30,515 MAN: Helped me out with some vaccine research. 207 00:11:30,602 --> 00:11:34,301 MAN 3: And nobody has a better sense of humor. 208 00:11:34,388 --> 00:11:39,611 TORETTI: I have heard nothing but good things about Bruce Ivins. 209 00:11:39,698 --> 00:11:41,439 (clears throat) 210 00:11:41,526 --> 00:11:47,140 HALL: Bruce, he's kind of a... 211 00:11:47,227 --> 00:11:48,925 I mean... 212 00:11:49,012 --> 00:11:52,755 (distant footsteps) 213 00:11:52,842 --> 00:11:55,758 Um, he's, uh, how do I say it? 214 00:11:55,845 --> 00:11:57,934 (laughs) 215 00:11:58,021 --> 00:12:00,763 And odd duck? 216 00:12:00,850 --> 00:12:02,373 I don't know what to tell you. 217 00:12:02,460 --> 00:12:03,766 (laughs) 218 00:12:08,379 --> 00:12:09,902 (laughs) 219 00:12:22,262 --> 00:12:28,529 ♫ ♫ 220 00:12:42,630 --> 00:12:49,463 ♫ ♫ 221 00:12:56,601 --> 00:12:59,909 TORETTI: Have you guys come across Bruce Ivins? 222 00:12:59,996 --> 00:13:02,825 MOORE: Uh, yes, he was on the late-night access list. 223 00:13:02,912 --> 00:13:04,391 RYKER: Why, did he say something? 224 00:13:04,478 --> 00:13:06,002 TORETTI: I haven't interviewed him yet but 225 00:13:06,089 --> 00:13:09,135 it's more what everybody isn't saying. 226 00:13:09,222 --> 00:13:14,271 The men really love this guy but there's something with the women, 227 00:13:14,358 --> 00:13:16,055 and I've talked to several and 228 00:13:16,142 --> 00:13:17,927 he makes them really uncomfortable. 229 00:13:18,014 --> 00:13:19,580 MOORE: Okay. 230 00:13:19,667 --> 00:13:22,061 So he's not exactly smooth with the ladies, 231 00:13:22,148 --> 00:13:23,193 how does that link him to terrorism? 232 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:24,847 TORETTI: Well, it doesn't. 233 00:13:24,934 --> 00:13:28,067 I'm just looking for any behavior that flags. 234 00:13:28,154 --> 00:13:29,808 Did you guys get into the emails yet? 235 00:13:29,895 --> 00:13:32,419 RYKER: Yeah, they're scattered in there. 236 00:13:32,506 --> 00:13:33,943 We have 20,000 of them. 237 00:13:34,030 --> 00:13:35,248 Server pulls them in chronologically. 238 00:13:35,335 --> 00:13:37,120 (scoffs) 239 00:13:37,207 --> 00:13:38,773 Be my guest. 240 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,256 (knocking) 241 00:13:45,041 --> 00:13:47,826 COPAK: Sykes, you up to speed yet on Amerithrax? 242 00:13:47,913 --> 00:13:49,306 SYKES: I've been following it for months, sir, 243 00:13:49,393 --> 00:13:50,437 glad to be on board. 244 00:13:50,524 --> 00:13:52,135 COPAK: Mm-hmm. 245 00:13:52,222 --> 00:13:53,484 SYKES: I just, uh, I'm wondering if first team 246 00:13:53,571 --> 00:13:55,442 isn't maybe veering off-course? 247 00:13:55,529 --> 00:13:59,533 Heard Ryker's been taking up a lot of resources and... 248 00:13:59,620 --> 00:14:02,710 COPAK: We tend to be more direct within these walls, Sykes. 249 00:14:02,797 --> 00:14:04,799 What do you got? 250 00:14:04,887 --> 00:14:07,977 SYKES: A tip from some sources overseas. 251 00:14:08,064 --> 00:14:10,805 I know when they were record sniffing. 252 00:14:10,893 --> 00:14:12,720 Take a look. 253 00:14:12,807 --> 00:14:16,594 If you see something there, I wanna head up this team. 254 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,642 You could put Ryker back on petri dish duty. 255 00:14:29,346 --> 00:14:31,826 (sighs) 256 00:14:38,877 --> 00:14:40,531 TORETTI: I think I just found something. 257 00:14:40,618 --> 00:14:42,228 MOORE: What's it say? 258 00:14:47,407 --> 00:14:49,888 RYKER: "I'm a little dream self, short and stout. 259 00:14:49,975 --> 00:14:52,891 I'm the other half of Bruce when he lets me out." 260 00:14:54,719 --> 00:14:57,113 TORETTI: Is that good enough for you? 261 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,507 Can I do a preliminary inquiry now? 262 00:15:00,594 --> 00:15:03,728 ♫ ♫ 263 00:15:19,222 --> 00:15:20,397 ♫ ♫ 264 00:15:20,484 --> 00:15:22,747 (plays off-pitch) 265 00:15:28,405 --> 00:15:29,972 (plays off-pitch) 266 00:15:32,887 --> 00:15:34,628 (plays off-pitch) 267 00:15:34,715 --> 00:15:35,978 (glass shattering) 268 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,592 (plays off-pitch) 269 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:42,810 (grunts) 270 00:15:54,170 --> 00:15:56,215 IVINS: Sorry, Helen. 271 00:15:56,302 --> 00:15:57,695 It's okay, I'll clean it up. 272 00:16:01,394 --> 00:16:02,874 It should be fine. 273 00:16:09,968 --> 00:16:14,016 (jet engine humming) 274 00:16:16,366 --> 00:16:18,411 (garbage truck rumbling) 275 00:16:21,545 --> 00:16:25,766 (glass rattling) 276 00:16:27,159 --> 00:16:31,598 (breathing heavily) 277 00:16:49,660 --> 00:16:56,493 (vacuum humming) 278 00:17:12,204 --> 00:17:14,119 TORETTI: I love it. You too? 279 00:17:14,206 --> 00:17:16,295 RYKER: Yeah, me too. 280 00:17:16,382 --> 00:17:19,472 That lone wolf profile you sent to the microbiology community. 281 00:17:19,559 --> 00:17:21,692 TORETTI: Yeah. 282 00:17:21,779 --> 00:17:23,259 RYKER: Remember that hit we got in Seattle? 283 00:17:23,346 --> 00:17:26,218 Her name is Dr. Nancy Haigwood. 284 00:17:26,305 --> 00:17:27,915 TORETTI: Thought that was a dead end. 285 00:17:28,002 --> 00:17:29,787 RYKER: Yeah, so did the superior who shelved it. 286 00:17:29,874 --> 00:17:31,702 But there was a newer agent who did the right thing and 287 00:17:31,789 --> 00:17:34,052 tried to send it up the chain but got shot down. 288 00:17:34,139 --> 00:17:37,751 The point is, Dr. Haigwood claims that Bruce Ivins 289 00:17:37,838 --> 00:17:41,886 stalked her in grad school, moved down the block from her, 290 00:17:41,973 --> 00:17:43,844 and even vandalized her house. 291 00:17:43,931 --> 00:17:46,325 And get this, at one point, 292 00:17:46,412 --> 00:17:48,022 her dissertation notebook was stolen. 293 00:17:48,110 --> 00:17:50,199 And whoever took it left a trail of clues for her 294 00:17:50,286 --> 00:17:52,940 to find it using a USPS mailbox. 295 00:17:53,027 --> 00:17:54,551 (laughs) 296 00:17:54,638 --> 00:17:57,206 The problem is, all of this is anecdotal. 297 00:17:57,293 --> 00:17:58,816 TORETTI: Oh, come on. 298 00:17:58,903 --> 00:18:00,383 He screwed up his repository submissions. 299 00:18:00,470 --> 00:18:01,993 He's clocking late night lab hours... 300 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:03,821 RYKER: Mm-hmm. TORETTI: Alone. 301 00:18:03,908 --> 00:18:04,952 RYKER: All at the time of the attack letters but that 302 00:18:05,039 --> 00:18:06,737 doesn't get us into court. 303 00:18:06,824 --> 00:18:08,391 TORETTI: Well, I took some of the emails home for 304 00:18:08,478 --> 00:18:11,916 little bedtime reading, no comments please. 305 00:18:12,003 --> 00:18:17,791 This one, "My shrink says I have a paranoid personality disorder, 306 00:18:17,878 --> 00:18:19,532 an early sign of schizophrenia, 307 00:18:19,619 --> 00:18:22,970 I am becoming a person I do not want to be." 308 00:18:25,277 --> 00:18:28,498 RYKER: No, what we need is a direct link to the letters. 309 00:18:28,585 --> 00:18:31,283 TORETTI: The language in his emails is eerily similar. 310 00:18:31,370 --> 00:18:34,678 There's another one here to an old coworker, 311 00:18:34,765 --> 00:18:38,769 "Osama Bin Laden has now decreed death on all Jews and Americans." 312 00:18:38,856 --> 00:18:40,771 RYKER: Those letters were published in all the papers. 313 00:18:40,858 --> 00:18:42,642 He could just be mirroring the language. 314 00:18:42,729 --> 00:18:46,646 TORETTI: No, look at the date, September 26. 315 00:18:46,733 --> 00:18:49,867 We didn't find the first attack letters until three weeks later. 316 00:19:01,748 --> 00:19:02,662 (gasps) 317 00:19:02,749 --> 00:19:03,881 (crashing) 318 00:19:03,968 --> 00:19:05,535 LIVINGSTON: Dammit, Bruce! 319 00:19:05,622 --> 00:19:06,753 You scared me. 320 00:19:08,842 --> 00:19:11,715 Now step back, they're anthrax spores. 321 00:19:11,802 --> 00:19:15,458 IVINS: They have you working on the vaccine, don't they? 322 00:19:15,545 --> 00:19:18,069 That used to be my job. 323 00:19:19,636 --> 00:19:21,594 A lot of changes around here. 324 00:19:25,642 --> 00:19:27,861 It's okay. 325 00:19:30,647 --> 00:19:32,039 I'm the one that made you lose your grip. 326 00:19:32,126 --> 00:19:33,824 I'll clean it up. 327 00:19:35,782 --> 00:19:40,178 (overlapping chatter) 328 00:19:49,753 --> 00:19:53,322 RYKER: Does Copak know you're circling USAMRIID? 329 00:19:53,409 --> 00:19:55,106 Do you even have a suspect or 330 00:19:55,193 --> 00:19:58,152 you're just throwing a little gasoline on the weeds 331 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,242 to see if any snakes comes slithering out? 332 00:20:01,895 --> 00:20:03,854 SYKES: Eyes on your own page, Ryker. 333 00:20:03,941 --> 00:20:05,203 We're all supposed to follow our own lead so 334 00:20:05,290 --> 00:20:08,380 we don't influence each other. 335 00:20:08,467 --> 00:20:10,382 RYKER: That doesn't mean pitching a circus tent in 336 00:20:10,469 --> 00:20:14,430 the middle of someone else's investigation. 337 00:20:14,517 --> 00:20:21,480 ♫ ♫ 338 00:20:22,612 --> 00:20:24,744 LIVINGSTON: No one thought this was possible but you can see, 339 00:20:24,831 --> 00:20:27,965 plain as day, different colonies of Ames with 340 00:20:28,052 --> 00:20:30,315 identifiable characteristics. 341 00:20:31,925 --> 00:20:33,797 RYKER: How did you make the colonies morph? 342 00:20:33,884 --> 00:20:36,016 LIVINGSTON: It wasn't intentional. 343 00:20:36,103 --> 00:20:38,410 It was one of our ongoing anthrax projects, 344 00:20:38,497 --> 00:20:41,979 a colleague got busy, the cultures overgrew. 345 00:20:42,066 --> 00:20:45,199 We never considered incubation time as a factor. 346 00:20:45,287 --> 00:20:46,897 RYKER: Arizona's been trying to sequence the genomes 347 00:20:46,984 --> 00:20:50,335 all this time and you just stumbled upon this? 348 00:20:50,422 --> 00:20:52,772 LIVINGSTON: Even with all these minds and brains, 349 00:20:52,859 --> 00:20:56,733 accidents are often how the biggest breakthroughs happen. 350 00:20:56,820 --> 00:20:59,344 RYKER: If we can identify a specific morph in the spores 351 00:20:59,431 --> 00:21:01,868 of the attack letters then match it to the subpoenaed samples, 352 00:21:01,955 --> 00:21:03,696 we've got our smoking gun. 353 00:21:03,783 --> 00:21:05,394 LIVINGSTON: Once I can get back into the BSL4 lab, 354 00:21:05,481 --> 00:21:07,657 I will forward you my findings. 355 00:21:07,744 --> 00:21:09,093 RYKER: What do you mean back into the lab? 356 00:21:09,180 --> 00:21:11,095 LIVINGSTON: Well, we had a spill. 357 00:21:11,182 --> 00:21:12,879 Bruce surprised me, 358 00:21:12,966 --> 00:21:14,577 I didn't see him so I knocked over a tray. 359 00:21:14,664 --> 00:21:16,361 RYKER: Wait. Dr. Ivins was there? 360 00:21:16,448 --> 00:21:17,971 (sighs) 361 00:21:18,058 --> 00:21:19,669 LIVINGSTON: He's been pretty edgy lately, 362 00:21:19,756 --> 00:21:22,715 sees me as a traitor for working with the Bureau. 363 00:21:22,802 --> 00:21:24,674 RYKER: Did he leave the lab with you? 364 00:21:24,761 --> 00:21:26,763 LIVINGSTON: No, he took it upon himself to decon the area 365 00:21:26,850 --> 00:21:28,634 and some nearby offices. 366 00:21:28,721 --> 00:21:30,332 RYKER: Including his? LIVINGSTON: Yeah. 367 00:21:30,419 --> 00:21:32,421 Brought in a whole team. 368 00:21:32,508 --> 00:21:36,294 It's a little overboard if you ask me but that's Bruce. 369 00:21:36,381 --> 00:21:38,862 RYKER: Our number one suspect just cleaned up his own crime scene. 370 00:21:38,949 --> 00:21:40,907 I got to bring in Ivins tonight. 371 00:21:40,994 --> 00:21:42,779 TORETTI: What? No. 372 00:21:42,866 --> 00:21:44,955 We don't have enough ammo to confront him. 373 00:21:45,042 --> 00:21:48,480 RYKER: He could literally be destroying evidence as we speak. 374 00:21:48,567 --> 00:21:51,614 TORETTI: Let me just try to dig up something from his past, 375 00:21:51,701 --> 00:21:55,052 something that can push his buttons, uh, a motive. 376 00:21:55,139 --> 00:21:57,533 RYKER: Go ahead and track down his childhood sled if you want. 377 00:21:57,620 --> 00:21:59,535 If he knows we're circling him, 378 00:21:59,622 --> 00:22:01,493 the cleanup might not end here. 379 00:22:01,580 --> 00:22:03,713 He could head home and destroy anything incriminating. 380 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,063 TORETTI: We may only have one shot at a confession here and 381 00:22:06,150 --> 00:22:07,891 he is not primed for it. 382 00:22:07,978 --> 00:22:09,588 RYKER: And if we give him more time, 383 00:22:09,675 --> 00:22:11,634 we may lose any chance we have at nailing him. 384 00:22:11,721 --> 00:22:15,420 He's making rash moves, I'm ordering a polygraph. 385 00:22:15,507 --> 00:22:17,553 TORETTI: If you're determined to do this, 386 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,991 the way in has to be through his hero's complex. 387 00:22:21,078 --> 00:22:22,732 He wants to prove how smart he is. 388 00:22:22,819 --> 00:22:24,255 We get him talking... 389 00:22:24,342 --> 00:22:25,212 RYKER: It's not my first interrogation, 390 00:22:25,299 --> 00:22:26,257 I got it. 391 00:22:26,344 --> 00:22:28,215 (phone line rings) 392 00:22:28,302 --> 00:22:29,565 DISPATCH: (over phone) Lebanon PD, how can I help? 393 00:22:29,652 --> 00:22:31,871 TORETTI: Agent Toretti FBI here, 394 00:22:31,958 --> 00:22:35,135 I am looking for some information on a former resident, Bruce Ivins. 395 00:22:35,222 --> 00:22:39,488 I'd be interested in anything from his early years in Ohio, 396 00:22:39,575 --> 00:22:41,577 should narrow your search down to '50s and '60s. 397 00:22:41,664 --> 00:22:43,056 DISPATCH: (over phone) I'll see what I can find. 398 00:22:43,143 --> 00:22:44,667 TORETTI: Okay, um, I'll actually hold. 399 00:22:44,754 --> 00:22:45,798 DISPATCH: (over phone) No problem. 400 00:22:56,722 --> 00:22:59,116 (door opens) 401 00:23:00,726 --> 00:23:03,033 RYKER: Dr. Ivins? IVINS: Yeah. 402 00:23:12,912 --> 00:23:14,697 (clears throat) 403 00:23:17,700 --> 00:23:20,267 IVINS: (over TV) I hear you're one of us. 404 00:23:20,354 --> 00:23:22,487 IVINS: A microbiologist. 405 00:23:22,574 --> 00:23:25,403 RYKER: I am. 406 00:23:25,490 --> 00:23:28,406 IVINS: A microbiologist in the FBI. 407 00:23:28,493 --> 00:23:30,234 Neat. 408 00:23:32,932 --> 00:23:34,586 RYKER: Uh, before they administer the polygraph, 409 00:23:34,673 --> 00:23:36,675 I thought I'd ask you a few questions about 410 00:23:36,762 --> 00:23:38,851 the samples you submitted to us. 411 00:23:38,938 --> 00:23:41,245 IVINS: Oh, yeah. 412 00:23:41,332 --> 00:23:44,727 Well, I already got an earful about my misstep. 413 00:23:46,293 --> 00:23:47,817 RYKER: So you intentionally submitted 414 00:23:47,904 --> 00:23:49,993 inadequate anthrax samples under subpoena? 415 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,343 IVINS: Yes. 416 00:23:52,430 --> 00:23:56,652 But only because the slants you guys requested were inferior. 417 00:23:56,739 --> 00:23:59,437 RYKER: And the weeks leading up to September 18th, 2001, uh, 418 00:23:59,524 --> 00:24:01,874 the postmark date of the first attack letter, 419 00:24:01,961 --> 00:24:07,097 did you work extra hours, unaccompanied hours in the 420 00:24:07,184 --> 00:24:11,754 BSL4 lab with Bacillus Anthracis Ames? 421 00:24:11,841 --> 00:24:15,192 IVINS: After 9/11 everyone at USAMRIID was working late. 422 00:24:19,457 --> 00:24:21,590 RYKER: You recognize this post office? 423 00:24:21,677 --> 00:24:24,506 IVINS: Yeah. 424 00:24:24,593 --> 00:24:26,769 RYKER: Did you ever purchase pre-stamped envelopes 425 00:24:26,856 --> 00:24:28,858 at this post office? 426 00:24:28,945 --> 00:24:30,599 IVINS: A couple of times I guess. 427 00:24:33,819 --> 00:24:38,302 RYKER: What about this email, 428 00:24:38,389 --> 00:24:41,435 referencing anthrax and Saddam Hussein? 429 00:24:45,831 --> 00:24:47,790 IVINS: You read my personal emails? 430 00:24:51,489 --> 00:24:53,056 You know that was a joke? 431 00:24:57,451 --> 00:24:59,062 RYKER: What about these? 432 00:25:03,632 --> 00:25:05,242 Did you do this, Dr. Ivins? 433 00:25:08,506 --> 00:25:10,464 IVINS: You talked to Nancy? 434 00:25:12,205 --> 00:25:13,511 (scoffs) 435 00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:19,604 How is a stupid thing that I did 20 years ago at all relevant? 436 00:25:21,171 --> 00:25:22,868 Okay. Fine, yes. 437 00:25:25,392 --> 00:25:27,160 When I was younger, I had obsessive 438 00:25:27,184 --> 00:25:29,527 behaviors linked to sororities specifically, 439 00:25:29,614 --> 00:25:31,355 Kappa Kappa Gamma, of which 440 00:25:31,442 --> 00:25:33,183 Nancy Haigwood was an alumna. 441 00:25:35,098 --> 00:25:37,579 Is it peculiar? Yes. 442 00:25:37,666 --> 00:25:40,277 Can I explain it? Nope. 443 00:25:43,410 --> 00:25:45,108 Happy? 444 00:25:52,768 --> 00:25:54,987 You know, that's not the only thing I did. 445 00:25:57,686 --> 00:26:01,298 RYKER: What else, Dr. Ivins? 446 00:26:01,385 --> 00:26:03,953 IVINS: I let myself into a sorority house, 447 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,390 two actually. 448 00:26:06,477 --> 00:26:10,699 I stole their ritual book and a cypher to decode it. 449 00:26:12,309 --> 00:26:13,832 No one ever suspected me. 450 00:26:16,443 --> 00:26:18,576 But I didn't hurt anyone. 451 00:26:21,927 --> 00:26:24,060 See, I'm not hiding anything. 452 00:26:25,452 --> 00:26:27,063 RYKER: Aren't you? 453 00:26:27,150 --> 00:26:29,500 Didn't you email a colleague, 454 00:26:29,587 --> 00:26:34,287 another friend on numerous occasions about a different, Bruce? 455 00:26:34,374 --> 00:26:37,769 Saying that you were concerned about your psychological state. 456 00:26:39,815 --> 00:26:44,341 Did you ever experience extreme anxiety, dissociation? 457 00:26:49,085 --> 00:26:50,782 IVINS: I know what you're doing. 458 00:26:55,352 --> 00:27:02,228 Look, I may not be the most popular guy. 459 00:27:02,315 --> 00:27:06,711 There might even be a few people who have said I'm odd behind my back. 460 00:27:08,713 --> 00:27:11,977 But does that make me a killer? 461 00:27:12,064 --> 00:27:16,939 I mean, when are you guys gonna realize I'm here to help you? 462 00:27:23,075 --> 00:27:25,425 Yes. Fine, yes. 463 00:27:43,966 --> 00:27:45,924 How'd you even end up doing this, 464 00:27:47,970 --> 00:27:52,278 a microbiologist in the FBI? 465 00:27:52,365 --> 00:27:54,977 Pathogen biology is a pretty competitive field. 466 00:27:55,064 --> 00:27:57,240 We can't all be the ones making scientific breakthroughs, 467 00:27:57,327 --> 00:27:58,894 I suppose, but. 468 00:27:58,981 --> 00:28:00,417 RYKER: I wanted to serve my country. 469 00:28:02,593 --> 00:28:04,638 IVINS: Is that what you tell yourself? 470 00:28:08,207 --> 00:28:10,340 IVINS: (over TV) Because I can't imagine going in and see... 471 00:28:10,427 --> 00:28:12,081 MOORE: Ryker's already burned through most of what we've got on him. 472 00:28:12,168 --> 00:28:13,430 IVINS: (over TV) Of wearing a suit at a desk. 473 00:28:13,517 --> 00:28:15,214 MOORE: You know, silver bullets. 474 00:28:15,301 --> 00:28:16,433 RYKER: (over TV) That's not for everybody. 475 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,261 IVINS: (over TV) Oh, okay. 476 00:28:18,348 --> 00:28:20,437 TORETTI: Maybe a splinter, enough to irritate him and 477 00:28:20,524 --> 00:28:22,178 get his walls down. 478 00:28:22,265 --> 00:28:24,484 IVINS: (over TV) I am curious, though. 479 00:28:24,571 --> 00:28:27,923 What went wrong with your dissertation, Agent Ryker? 480 00:28:28,010 --> 00:28:30,229 IVINS: Mistaking a eukaryotic cell for a prokaryotic? 481 00:28:30,316 --> 00:28:32,710 (laughter) 482 00:28:34,364 --> 00:28:36,714 I knew plenty of guys like you in college. 483 00:28:36,801 --> 00:28:39,456 RYKER: Is that right? IVINS: Oh, yeah. 484 00:28:39,543 --> 00:28:41,980 TORETTI: Ivins is feeling empowered. 485 00:28:42,067 --> 00:28:43,895 IVINS: (over TV) I can tell half a dozen in the halls around the labs... 486 00:28:43,982 --> 00:28:46,245 TORETTI: He should get him to open up and if he loosens up 487 00:28:46,332 --> 00:28:48,552 then maybe I can get some answers about his past. 488 00:28:48,639 --> 00:28:52,817 IVINS: (over TV) This guy is just, you know, smart. 489 00:28:52,904 --> 00:28:55,341 IVINS: But it didn't matter how hard they studied, 490 00:28:55,428 --> 00:28:58,954 they just didn't have the imagination. 491 00:29:01,130 --> 00:29:04,916 It does take a unique blend of talents, 492 00:29:05,003 --> 00:29:10,443 plus a willingness to skate on the edge which 493 00:29:10,530 --> 00:29:12,619 I'm guessing is difficult for you. 494 00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:20,149 But hey, would a sane person tie a key to a kite in a thunderstorm? 495 00:29:23,065 --> 00:29:24,501 RYKER: You know that Franklin didn't actually 496 00:29:24,588 --> 00:29:26,895 fly the kite in that storm, right? 497 00:29:26,982 --> 00:29:28,548 He had his son do it. 498 00:29:31,203 --> 00:29:32,988 Even noble people do unforgivable things, 499 00:29:33,075 --> 00:29:34,685 don't they? 500 00:29:36,339 --> 00:29:39,472 IVINS: You're missing my point. 501 00:29:39,559 --> 00:29:42,388 Are you familiar with the Stentor Roeselii? 502 00:29:42,475 --> 00:29:46,175 It's a single-celled ciliate micro-organism capable of making intelligent, 503 00:29:46,262 --> 00:29:48,090 complex decisions all without the help 504 00:29:48,177 --> 00:29:50,483 of a central nervous system. 505 00:29:50,570 --> 00:29:53,312 Zero support. 506 00:29:53,399 --> 00:29:57,055 No other organism on earth has such an innate gift. 507 00:29:57,142 --> 00:29:59,928 RYKER: Is that how you see yourself? 508 00:30:00,015 --> 00:30:03,888 Some sort of gifted Stentor Roeselii? 509 00:30:03,975 --> 00:30:07,239 What does that make guys like me? 510 00:30:07,326 --> 00:30:10,590 IVINS: Plasmodial slime mold? 511 00:30:10,677 --> 00:30:14,638 Think about it, I know most Americans aren't paying attention, 512 00:30:14,725 --> 00:30:18,772 but you guys had signs, that 9/11 was gonna happen. 513 00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:23,952 Flight lessons, a warning of an attack on New York. 514 00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:26,824 And now, you can't figure out who sent these letters. 515 00:30:26,911 --> 00:30:28,695 (coins rattling) 516 00:30:28,782 --> 00:30:31,481 All the hours you put in and you just can't measure up. 517 00:30:31,568 --> 00:30:33,483 (jet engine rumbling) 518 00:30:33,570 --> 00:30:39,489 So instead, you are harassing hard-working patriots like me. 519 00:30:43,014 --> 00:30:47,671 Have you even done your homework, Agent Ryker? 520 00:30:47,758 --> 00:30:52,023 I mean, what about Thompson, Benjadi, 521 00:30:52,110 --> 00:30:53,677 or even Kurz? 522 00:30:55,418 --> 00:30:57,637 There are plenty of people with my same access. 523 00:30:57,724 --> 00:31:00,771 RYKER: But they didn't point the finger at their colleagues, did they? 524 00:31:00,858 --> 00:31:04,035 You're the only doing that. 525 00:31:04,122 --> 00:31:05,732 RYKER: (over TV) Here's what I think. 526 00:31:05,819 --> 00:31:08,474 TORETTI: No. No. No, no. 527 00:31:08,561 --> 00:31:09,998 RYKER: (over TV) Just like the clue you left Haigwood to find her notebook... 528 00:31:10,085 --> 00:31:13,218 RYKER: I think you wanna be found out. 529 00:31:13,305 --> 00:31:15,655 This is some sort of twisted experiment, isn't it? 530 00:31:15,742 --> 00:31:17,440 (door opens) 531 00:31:17,527 --> 00:31:19,311 TORETTI: (over TV) Uh, sorry, Agent Ryker. 532 00:31:19,398 --> 00:31:20,399 Sorry I'm late. 533 00:31:20,486 --> 00:31:21,879 RYKER: Oh, it's okay. 534 00:31:21,966 --> 00:31:23,794 We have a few more questions to go. 535 00:31:23,881 --> 00:31:27,145 TORETTI: Good, I have another one, if that's all right. 536 00:31:27,232 --> 00:31:31,323 TORETTI: Mr. Ivins... IVINS: Doctor. 537 00:31:31,410 --> 00:31:33,586 It's Dr. Ivins. 538 00:31:33,673 --> 00:31:35,371 And you are who again? 539 00:31:35,458 --> 00:31:37,460 TORETTI: Oh, I'm just another hunk of slime mold. 540 00:31:38,983 --> 00:31:41,638 Doctor Ivins, in your own words, 541 00:31:41,725 --> 00:31:43,640 can you describe your childhood for me? 542 00:31:46,425 --> 00:31:48,906 IVINS: I don't see what that has to do with any of this. 543 00:31:48,993 --> 00:31:51,865 TORETTI: Maybe it's better we focus on one event in particular. 544 00:31:55,217 --> 00:31:57,045 The police responded to a 545 00:31:57,132 --> 00:31:59,395 domestic disturbance to your house. 546 00:32:02,050 --> 00:32:03,921 Did you witness your mother's attack? 547 00:32:09,971 --> 00:32:13,017 IVINS: This was an accident. 548 00:32:13,104 --> 00:32:18,196 TORETTI: Neighbors described your mother as unpredictable, irrational, and violent. 549 00:32:25,464 --> 00:32:27,423 You were there, weren't you, Bruce? 550 00:32:34,169 --> 00:32:35,953 IVINS: Are we almost done here? 551 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,520 TORETTI: Childhood trauma can have a lasting effect 552 00:32:37,607 --> 00:32:40,697 on a person. 553 00:32:40,784 --> 00:32:43,265 Did your mother ever hurt you, Bruce? 554 00:32:47,312 --> 00:32:50,750 IVINS: My mother loved me. 555 00:32:50,837 --> 00:32:53,014 She loved me very much. 556 00:32:58,367 --> 00:33:04,764 ♫ ♫ 557 00:33:13,512 --> 00:33:15,123 OPERATOR: Now, Doctor Ivins, 558 00:33:15,210 --> 00:33:16,733 you understand that your appearance here today 559 00:33:16,820 --> 00:33:18,952 and taking this polygraph test is voluntary? 560 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,432 IVINS: Yes. 561 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,487 OPERATOR: To establish a baseline, 562 00:33:31,574 --> 00:33:33,967 is your name Bruce Edwards Ivins? 563 00:33:34,055 --> 00:33:35,795 IVINS: Yes. 564 00:33:35,882 --> 00:33:37,536 OPERATOR: Were you born in Lebanon, Ohio? 565 00:33:37,623 --> 00:33:41,149 IVINS: Yes. OPERATOR: Hmm. Okay. 566 00:33:45,283 --> 00:33:49,809 OPERATOR: (over TV) Now, we are going to run something called a stim test. 567 00:33:49,896 --> 00:33:51,637 IVINS: To measure my adrenal response. 568 00:33:51,724 --> 00:33:53,074 OPERATOR: I'm gonna need you to lie 569 00:33:53,161 --> 00:33:54,901 when you answer my next question. 570 00:33:54,988 --> 00:33:56,686 That will give us indicators to look for if you lie in 571 00:33:56,773 --> 00:33:59,471 response to a later question. 572 00:33:59,558 --> 00:34:01,082 IVINS: But I'm not gonna lie to you. 573 00:34:02,996 --> 00:34:05,216 OPERATOR: Are you a time traveler? 574 00:34:05,303 --> 00:34:07,958 (laughs) 575 00:34:08,045 --> 00:34:12,136 IVINS: Sorry. Yes, I am a time traveler. 576 00:34:14,138 --> 00:34:16,923 OPERATOR: Last question, Doctor Ivins. 577 00:34:17,010 --> 00:34:21,406 In the fall of 2001, did you mail letters containing Anthrax via the 578 00:34:21,493 --> 00:34:23,800 United States Postal Service? 579 00:34:27,412 --> 00:34:29,153 IVINS: No. 580 00:34:37,118 --> 00:34:38,510 (clears throat) 581 00:34:40,991 --> 00:34:42,949 TORETTI: You get any hits off him? 582 00:34:43,036 --> 00:34:45,169 OPERATOR: We got a good read on the baseline for comparison. 583 00:34:45,256 --> 00:34:47,606 RYKER: Where did he lie? 584 00:34:47,693 --> 00:34:50,087 OPERATOR: Some lines indicated elevated stress, 585 00:34:50,174 --> 00:34:52,133 but no answer showed deception. 586 00:34:55,179 --> 00:34:58,095 RYKER: What about when you asked if he mailed the attack letters? 587 00:34:58,182 --> 00:35:01,142 OPERATOR: No, it looks like he's not your guy. 588 00:35:10,455 --> 00:35:15,721 (birds chirping) 589 00:35:32,521 --> 00:35:35,176 (bike wheels rattling) 590 00:35:37,221 --> 00:35:41,573 WOMAN: So, I told him exactly what I thought. 591 00:35:41,660 --> 00:35:45,708 That he wasn't supporting me in my decision. 592 00:35:45,795 --> 00:35:48,450 I used exactly the words that we discussed and 593 00:35:48,537 --> 00:35:50,408 you know what? 594 00:35:50,495 --> 00:35:52,845 He shut his trap for the rest of the night. It worked. 595 00:35:52,932 --> 00:35:54,412 MAN: Oh. 596 00:35:54,499 --> 00:35:55,370 WOMAN 2: That's really great to hear. 597 00:35:55,457 --> 00:35:56,588 WOMAN 3: Yeah. 598 00:35:56,675 --> 00:36:00,331 HALSTROM: Bruce? Bruce? 599 00:36:00,418 --> 00:36:02,551 Would you like to tell us about your week? 600 00:36:05,684 --> 00:36:09,514 IVINS: Yeah, it was wonderful. 601 00:36:09,601 --> 00:36:12,343 Very productive. 602 00:36:12,430 --> 00:36:14,824 (overlapping chatter) 603 00:36:14,911 --> 00:36:18,741 TORETTI: Ryker, I made some calls and it's debatable. 604 00:36:18,828 --> 00:36:20,830 It, it's not the easiest to trick a poly. 605 00:36:20,917 --> 00:36:23,180 Unless he's a complete sociopath. 606 00:36:23,267 --> 00:36:27,271 RYKER: Hmm. What's your gut say? 607 00:36:27,358 --> 00:36:31,014 TORETTI: I think he felt like he had the upper hand with you. 608 00:36:31,101 --> 00:36:33,059 That might have put him at ease and 609 00:36:33,146 --> 00:36:34,757 thrown his vitals off. 610 00:36:34,844 --> 00:36:36,237 RYKER: So, you're saying I screwed up? 611 00:36:36,324 --> 00:36:38,500 TORETTI: No, it was a solid tactic, 612 00:36:38,587 --> 00:36:41,111 but I think it is safe to say that your cracks were showing through 613 00:36:41,198 --> 00:36:43,069 that perfectly pressed suit of yours. 614 00:36:46,464 --> 00:36:48,553 COPAK: All right, Sykes, what do you got? 615 00:36:50,773 --> 00:36:52,862 TORETTI: Who the hell is that? 616 00:36:52,949 --> 00:36:55,517 SYKES: Steven Hatfill received his medical training in Africa. 617 00:36:55,604 --> 00:36:58,041 Hatfill just happened to be on the ground in Rhodesia during 618 00:36:58,128 --> 00:37:00,957 the most deadly Anthrax outbreak in recent history. 619 00:37:01,044 --> 00:37:03,394 He trained first responders on bioweapon threats, 620 00:37:03,481 --> 00:37:07,355 which would include anthrax. 621 00:37:07,442 --> 00:37:09,879 RYKER: Do you have a direct link between Hatfill and the letters? 622 00:37:09,966 --> 00:37:12,534 It says right here he's a virologist. 623 00:37:12,621 --> 00:37:14,536 A virus guy, not bacteria. 624 00:37:14,623 --> 00:37:17,278 SYKES: About his science background, 625 00:37:17,365 --> 00:37:21,891 Mr. Hatfill claimed to have a degree that there's no record of. 626 00:37:21,978 --> 00:37:23,719 And to be a part of a royal medical society 627 00:37:23,806 --> 00:37:26,199 that hasn't heard of him. 628 00:37:26,287 --> 00:37:29,507 RYKER: A few people in this room have resumes that look better than reality. 629 00:37:29,594 --> 00:37:32,510 You can't just pick up anthrax at a local drugstore. 630 00:37:32,597 --> 00:37:34,556 Do we have proof that he had access to it? 631 00:37:34,643 --> 00:37:37,472 SYKES: Actually, Hatfill did work at USAMRIID. 632 00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:39,387 For two years. 633 00:37:39,474 --> 00:37:41,563 Now, we don't know yet what Hatfill had access to then, 634 00:37:41,650 --> 00:37:44,522 but we do know that he tried to get higher security clearances. 635 00:37:44,609 --> 00:37:46,829 One of which was suspended before 9/11. 636 00:37:46,916 --> 00:37:49,222 REILLY: And if he wasn't handling deadly bacteria, 637 00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:50,789 wanna tell me why he was taking Cipro at 638 00:37:50,876 --> 00:37:52,748 the time the attack letters were mailed? 639 00:37:52,835 --> 00:37:56,404 COPAK: All right. Our top suspect is Hatfill. 640 00:37:56,491 --> 00:37:58,493 Ryker, I'm putting you on Sykes' team. 641 00:37:58,580 --> 00:38:00,495 He's short a science guy. 642 00:38:00,582 --> 00:38:02,323 TORETTI: Does that include me? 643 00:38:02,410 --> 00:38:05,413 COPAK: No, he's already got a behavioral analyst. 644 00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:07,240 Head up to the fifth floor for reassignment. 645 00:38:07,328 --> 00:38:08,590 You too, Agent Moore. 646 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,029 COPAK: Well done. SYKES: Thank you, sir. 647 00:38:13,116 --> 00:38:16,032 RYKER: I'm staying on Ivins. MOORE: Really? 648 00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:18,861 I mean, the guy passed his polygraph like a valedictorian. 649 00:38:18,948 --> 00:38:20,428 RYKER: They don't have any more on Hatfill than we do 650 00:38:20,515 --> 00:38:22,560 on Ivins and the science doesn't add up. 651 00:38:22,647 --> 00:38:24,345 TORETTI: But, you know, if they make Hatfill the target, 652 00:38:24,432 --> 00:38:26,085 we are gonna catch hell for veering off course. 653 00:38:26,172 --> 00:38:27,957 RYKER: No, I'll be the one to catch hell 654 00:38:28,044 --> 00:38:29,654 because I'm the only one who is reassigned. 655 00:38:29,741 --> 00:38:31,308 TORETTI: All right. I'm in. 656 00:38:38,141 --> 00:38:40,186 MOORE: What's the plan? 657 00:38:44,582 --> 00:38:46,410 RYKER: What do you think about seeing if one of the people 658 00:38:46,497 --> 00:38:49,108 that Bruce confided in, emailed, 659 00:38:49,195 --> 00:38:51,981 would be willing to contact him? 660 00:38:52,068 --> 00:38:53,504 TORETTI: I don't think he's gonna confess like that, 661 00:38:53,591 --> 00:38:55,724 but it is worth a shot. 662 00:38:55,811 --> 00:38:58,204 RYKER: Chris, I need you to surveil him. 663 00:38:58,291 --> 00:39:00,076 See what he does in his downtime. 664 00:39:00,163 --> 00:39:01,556 Especially if he thinks he sailed through the polygraph, 665 00:39:01,643 --> 00:39:02,774 he might make a misstep we can use. 666 00:39:02,861 --> 00:39:04,123 MOORE: Okay. 667 00:39:04,210 --> 00:39:06,387 TORETTI: And what about you? 668 00:39:06,474 --> 00:39:08,737 RYKER: Looks like I'm stuck playing science guy for 669 00:39:08,824 --> 00:39:10,391 Sykes's wild goose chase. 670 00:39:12,218 --> 00:39:14,046 I'll check in when I can. 671 00:39:14,133 --> 00:39:15,308 TORETTI: All right. 672 00:39:21,837 --> 00:39:28,626 (keyboard clicking) 673 00:39:36,329 --> 00:39:43,162 ♫ ♫ 674 00:39:45,034 --> 00:39:46,165 (laughs) 675 00:39:48,951 --> 00:39:55,827 (helicopter humming) 676 00:39:55,914 --> 00:39:57,263 REPORTER: Excuse me, sir. 677 00:39:57,350 --> 00:39:58,700 Have you found the Anthrax Killer? 678 00:39:58,787 --> 00:40:02,834 (helicopter humming) 679 00:40:02,921 --> 00:40:05,054 Is the suspect in custody, sir? 680 00:40:05,141 --> 00:40:07,099 REPORTER 2: The citizens deserve to know, are we in danger, sir? 681 00:40:07,186 --> 00:40:10,363 RYKER: Another inexplicable leak to the press, 682 00:40:10,451 --> 00:40:12,801 complete with a circus. 683 00:40:12,888 --> 00:40:14,890 You're going to let the public indict this guy before 684 00:40:14,977 --> 00:40:17,022 we have any physical evidence? 685 00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:18,937 Where is Hatfill, anyway? 686 00:40:19,024 --> 00:40:21,157 SYKES: Got him at a motel. 687 00:40:21,244 --> 00:40:22,375 He thinks we're doing this to everyone who's worked at USAMRIID. 688 00:40:22,463 --> 00:40:24,856 Come on. 689 00:40:24,943 --> 00:40:26,336 Meet Tinkerbell and her cohort. 690 00:40:26,423 --> 00:40:29,513 (dogs whining) 691 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,167 Let's give them the scent. 692 00:40:32,647 --> 00:40:35,476 (helicopter humming) 693 00:40:35,563 --> 00:40:40,872 RYKER: I just need visual confirmation on air sample 23-Q37 694 00:40:40,959 --> 00:40:43,309 from the letter that Senator Daschle received. 695 00:40:43,396 --> 00:40:45,137 SYKES: Confirmed. 696 00:40:55,408 --> 00:40:57,715 RYKER: All right, boys. 697 00:40:57,802 --> 00:40:58,934 There you go. 698 00:40:59,021 --> 00:41:01,284 (sniffing) 699 00:41:01,371 --> 00:41:03,112 Okay. 700 00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:04,417 MAN: All right, boy, you got it. 701 00:41:04,505 --> 00:41:05,680 Find it, find it. 702 00:41:14,036 --> 00:41:20,825 ♫ ♫ 703 00:41:27,963 --> 00:41:33,751 (sniffing) 704 00:41:33,838 --> 00:41:34,883 (barking) 705 00:41:34,970 --> 00:41:36,232 SYKES: What do you know? 706 00:41:36,319 --> 00:41:38,887 (barking) 707 00:41:38,974 --> 00:41:39,931 RYKER: Hatfill's place. 708 00:41:40,018 --> 00:41:41,890 (barking) 709 00:41:41,977 --> 00:41:42,891 SYKES: Suit up. 710 00:41:42,978 --> 00:41:46,634 (barking) 711 00:41:50,333 --> 00:41:54,250 HATFILL: So, I'm in the back of a truck in freakin' Rhodesia, right? 712 00:41:54,337 --> 00:41:56,557 And who ambushes us? 713 00:41:56,644 --> 00:41:58,210 Marxist rebels. 714 00:41:58,297 --> 00:41:59,560 REILLY: You're kidding me. 715 00:41:59,647 --> 00:42:00,909 HATFILL: What choice do I have? 716 00:42:00,996 --> 00:42:02,563 I leap off the back of a truck, 717 00:42:02,650 --> 00:42:04,826 but I forget that I have a pack on, 718 00:42:04,913 --> 00:42:07,480 I fall flat on my face and break my damn nose! 719 00:42:07,568 --> 00:42:09,004 (laughs) 720 00:42:09,091 --> 00:42:10,483 I, I couldn't breathe right for years! 721 00:42:10,571 --> 00:42:12,094 (phone beeps) 722 00:42:12,181 --> 00:42:14,400 I just went under for sinus... 723 00:42:19,014 --> 00:42:21,059 That's my house. 724 00:42:21,146 --> 00:42:22,495 (reporter on TV) Ongoing since October. 725 00:42:22,583 --> 00:42:24,976 HATFILL: You said routine search. 726 00:42:25,063 --> 00:42:26,891 (reporter on TV) Agents in Hazmat suits are searching the home 727 00:42:26,978 --> 00:42:30,068 of the person of interest in the Anthrax murders. 728 00:42:30,155 --> 00:42:34,377 We haven't been able to get confirmation or more details from the FBI, 729 00:42:34,464 --> 00:42:36,379 but this could be the first real breakthrough we've seen 730 00:42:36,466 --> 00:42:38,947 on the Amerithrax case in months. 731 00:42:39,034 --> 00:42:41,689 (reporter on TV) A new development in the Anthrax investigation, 732 00:42:41,776 --> 00:42:44,300 FBI agents today searched the home of 733 00:42:44,387 --> 00:42:47,651 a former government researcher Steven Hatfill 734 00:42:47,738 --> 00:42:50,219 is a specialist in infectious diseases 735 00:42:50,306 --> 00:42:52,917 who's done research for the government since the '80s. 736 00:42:55,050 --> 00:42:57,356 MAN: Got it, pulled up a photography unit right out front, so. 737 00:42:57,443 --> 00:42:58,967 MAN 2: Yeah. 738 00:42:59,054 --> 00:43:01,796 Second degree until something's detected. 739 00:43:01,883 --> 00:43:04,276 WOMAN: We might need to process this. 740 00:43:06,104 --> 00:43:08,019 RYKER: None of our rapid test are picking up spores. 741 00:43:10,021 --> 00:43:11,719 In fact, we're not finding anything that points to where 742 00:43:11,806 --> 00:43:13,677 Hatfill cultured his Anthrax. 743 00:43:15,331 --> 00:43:16,898 So, what do you think? 744 00:43:16,985 --> 00:43:19,814 He's got some sort of secret lair somewhere? 745 00:43:19,901 --> 00:43:21,946 SYKES: No, a storage unit. 746 00:43:22,033 --> 00:43:24,253 We're trying to locate it and get a warrant. 747 00:43:24,340 --> 00:43:27,082 WOMAN: Agent Sykes? SYKES: Yeah, what do you got? 748 00:43:27,169 --> 00:43:29,737 WOMAN: It's an unpublished novel. 749 00:43:29,824 --> 00:43:31,652 There's a synopsis. 750 00:43:31,739 --> 00:43:33,479 It's about a terrorist who unleashes a deadly plague 751 00:43:33,566 --> 00:43:35,481 on Washington D.C. 752 00:43:44,577 --> 00:43:48,190 (birds chirping) 753 00:43:56,981 --> 00:44:03,684 ♫ ♫ 754 00:44:21,049 --> 00:44:25,880 IVINS: Excuse me, where's the computer? 755 00:44:25,967 --> 00:44:28,578 LIBRARIAN: FBI took it. 756 00:44:28,665 --> 00:44:31,363 Saved up a year to upgrade those. 757 00:44:44,115 --> 00:44:45,682 LIVINGSTON: (over phone) Hi, Agent Ryker, 758 00:44:45,769 --> 00:44:49,207 - this is Dr. Livingston. -RYKER: Hmm. Yes? 759 00:44:49,294 --> 00:44:51,253 LIVINGSTON: (over phone) Just got off the phone with the repository in Arizona. 760 00:44:51,340 --> 00:44:53,559 They ran our new morph test on samples from different labs, 761 00:44:53,646 --> 00:44:54,822 USAMRIID's among them. 762 00:44:54,909 --> 00:44:56,780 Everything came up negative. 763 00:44:56,867 --> 00:44:59,522 RYKER: All the USAMRIID samples? 764 00:44:59,609 --> 00:45:01,959 LIVINGSTON: (over phone) None were a match to the Anthrax used in the letters. 765 00:45:02,046 --> 00:45:04,875 Hope that answers any questions about the integrity of our team. 766 00:45:08,966 --> 00:45:14,276 RYKER: Thank you, um, I'll, uh, I'll be in touch. 767 00:45:19,150 --> 00:45:21,631 SYKES: We got the warrant for the storage unit. 768 00:45:24,112 --> 00:45:30,161 (clock ticking) 769 00:45:35,558 --> 00:45:38,648 (overlapping chatter) 770 00:45:47,048 --> 00:45:52,401 ♫ ♫ 771 00:45:52,488 --> 00:45:57,623 (overlapping chatter) 772 00:46:06,371 --> 00:46:13,074 ♫ ♫ 773 00:46:24,476 --> 00:46:31,179 (ventilated breathing) 774 00:46:43,104 --> 00:46:47,064 (grunting) 775 00:46:47,151 --> 00:46:49,806 (thunder rumbling) 776 00:47:02,340 --> 00:47:09,130 ♫ ♫ 777 00:47:25,973 --> 00:47:32,022 ♫ ♫ 778 00:47:48,386 --> 00:47:54,479 ♫ ♫ 779 00:47:56,394 --> 00:47:57,830 SYKES: Holy crap. 780 00:47:57,918 --> 00:47:59,702 Hatfill has a map to Camp David. 781 00:48:02,270 --> 00:48:06,622 (clicking) 782 00:48:17,285 --> 00:48:18,982 RYKER: I got one here, too. 783 00:48:19,069 --> 00:48:21,985 (clicking) 784 00:48:27,208 --> 00:48:30,602 RYKER: It's hand drawn, don't know by whom, 785 00:48:30,689 --> 00:48:33,083 but it looks like it leads to a remote location in the woods. 786 00:48:34,955 --> 00:48:36,782 SYKES: You still think we got the wrong guy? 787 00:48:39,916 --> 00:48:46,575 ♫ ♫ 788 00:48:54,975 --> 00:48:56,933 (music plays through credits). 74692

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