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He never said a word.

All kids have secrets. But this?

He tried to tell us, Bill.

He kept saying, "I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, Mommy."

- I don't remember that.
- When he wet the bed.

He hasn't done that in years.

Oh, God. I... I thought
he was ashamed, but...

Was he trying to tell us, Bill?

I don't know, Nance.

What did he think happened
to that little boy?

They had to know he wasn't breathing.

He wasn't a part of any
of... of that. He...

- He watched.
- He knew enough to put him on a cross.

He thought it would
bring him back to life.

I never liked that Martin boy.

I told you, we should never
have let him play with him.

He's too rough.

What if he'd done that to Brian instead?

We both thought it was good
seeing Bri finally have friends.

Are they gonna take him from us?

I won't let that happen.

He has a good home.

Hello?

Uh, I'm dealing with a family
matter. Can you tell him... ?

Okay.

Okay, I'll be right in.

- Now?
- Gunn wants to see me.

I'll tell him I'm taking the week off.

- A week?
- Nance.

I just meant we need to
get a handle on things.

Find out what's next.

What happened?

I'm sorry, sir.

I know I should be in Atlanta.

- I got a phone call...
- Which is more than I got.

Apologies.

- I should have called.
- At the very least.

The city has been begging
for federal help for weeks,

and we are kicked out
in less than 24 hours.

Yes, you should have called.

I had to hear it from the
Atlanta office this morning.

Apparently, Holden's introduction
wasn't well received

by the safety commissioner?

- Have you spoken with Holden?
- No.

I'm asking you, as the
leader of your department,

what did Holden say that
so offended the city?

The commissioner's excuse that
this wasn't really a kidnapping

was a convenient means to an end.

- What did Holden say?
- Honestly, sir, nothing out of line.

He gave the commissioner an overview:

that we look for connections.

He did explain he felt there could
be a single, black predator.

It may have been more
how he said it, sir,

- than what he said.
- How so?

He might have gone into more specifics
than we can support right now.

The impression from the Atlanta SAC

is that Holden was trying

to steer the investigation

into "avenues the city doesn't
want to explore right now,

- at least not publicly."
- Sounds like politics, frankly.

Name me a major city where
there are no politics.

We have to be smarter than this.

If you sense that Holden is
wading into political waters,

it's your job to stop him...

or at least give me the opportunity
to anticipate the fallout.

Yes, sir. You're right.

I should've read the room better.

We want them to understand
why they need us,

not why they should be wary of us.

I understand, sir.

This cannot happen again, Bill.

- You couldn't have called me?
- Bill, it all happened so fast.

Well, someone had enough
time to call Gunn.

Barney told me there was
nothing we could have done.

It's all politics.

I'm happy to talk to Ted.

No. You're not talking to anyone.

And it wasn't all politics, Holden,

until you started selling
your unsupported conclusions.

You agreed the perpetrator
is likely black.

Can you see, just for a moment,
how it might be perceived

when you present a profile without
ever having been to a crime scene?

Next time, shut up until
we've done some groundwork!

Sorry you had to hear that.

You look terrible.

Thanks.

So, I take it the Atlanta
trip has been... curtailed?

I can point the finger at Holden,

but I'm supposed to be watching him.
Supposed to be his blinders.

I let him get swept up in the
moment, impressing people,

then he must've stepped on a land mine.

It's a full-time job.

Yeah.

Look, I'll get better at it, but I
need to take a little time today.

- Family thing.
- Everything okay?

Yeah. You know, just...
I'll be back in tomorrow.

Okay.

Um... Gregg and I did Henley.

Gregg?

Yeah. We thought you guys
would be gone for weeks,

and we didn't want the
interviews to lag.

How'd he do?

A little... hesitant.

He shit the rug, didn't he?

It was a team effort.

The transcripts should
be done by tomorrow.

Look forward to it.

We're gonna be late.

We'll be fine.

It starts in two minutes.

So we'll miss the trailers.

By the time we get our
drinks and our seats,

we'll definitely miss something.

This feels like a big deal.

You're passing it.

It's fine. I'm gonna get this spot.

Look, it's just that I'm
one of those people

who needs to see the whole thing.

Like, I like to get my popcorn, my seat.

I like to watch the trailers.

A lot of people feel this way.

If you say so.

But it's gonna take me
at least another minute

to pull into this space.

Because I am a really...

slow... parker.

We are definitely...

going to miss... something.

You know, I have an
unopened, very mediocre,

probably spoiled, bottle of
Chablis at my apartment.

Really?

It has a screw top.

I mean, how can I say no to that?

Ah.

What?

Nothing.

Do you have that wine?

I thought for sure I had
unsold you on that.

Hmm.

I didn't picture you living
in a place like this.

Small?

Sparse.

Your life seems very abundant.

Well, one's expansiveness of spirit

needn't be reflected by one's
personal surroundings.

Who said that?

Me, just now. Didn't you
recognize my voice?

He's adorable.

Yeah. He's not bad.

How often do you see him?

I'm seeing him this weekend.
Gonna take him to a Dukes game.

Dukes?

Uh, Double-A baseball.

You miss him?

Of course.

It's just the idea of shaping
another life that terrifies me.

I can barely manage my own.

I still got milk crates for shelves.

I've got real shelves, and I
don't think that shelves equate

to any higher understanding.

What you've done takes courage.

I'm happy that you're
leading an authentic life.

I'm happy to be here.

With you.

Me too.

I like baseball.

- You like baseball?
- Uh-huh.

I mean, I'm sure I would
if I ever went to a game.

Wendy, I don't introduce my
son to people I'm dating.

Oh, no. Of course.

It's not...

No, it's... it's fine.

I... I'm... I'm sorry. I shouldn't have.

- This is not about you.
- No.

Not specifically you. It's just...

You... You shouldn't introduce your son

to people that you don't know.

You know, I interview the by-products

of promiscuous mothers, and it's...

I'm not saying that you're...

Can we just go back to
just a few minutes ago,

after I had the best sex of my life,

and before I invited
myself to Little League?

It's "minor league."

And... he would really like you.

He's just... He's been through
a lot, and I don't...

I don't want to freak him out. You
know, not until it's... something.

Uh, was that really the
best sex of your life?

Nice save, the dyke mentor story.

And just in time.

I had to come up with something

that would make him feel accepted.

- Well, it worked.
- But then he adamantly denied

being homosexual.

He was actually more
defensive about that

than he was about being called a sadist.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

He protests a lot of things.
Rape, torture, murder.

By saying that he didn't engage
in those aspects of the crimes,

he characterizes himself
as a nonparticipant.

It's amazing how he's
able to compartmentalize.

We have to consider, Henley was a kid.

He might view his participation as
having been beyond his control.

He knew exactly what was gonna
happen to the victims he procured.

And he made a conscious
decision not to intervene.

So whether he participated
or not, he's culpable.

I think there's a distinction
between procurement,

as fucked up as it is, and murder.

Distinction, yes, but not absolution.

I'm not excusing him. I'm just asking,

can a teenager be held responsible
for the actions of an adult?

He was trying to please Corll.

He was probably afraid of him.

Actually, he seemed to be
more in thrall of Corll

- than he was afraid of him.
- So is that why he stuck around?

He got off on watching Corll kill?

How do we know Henley got off on it?

"When I did something, whatever
it was, I enjoyed it."

Bill, he assisted in killing 20 boys.

What could possibly be
defensible in that?

All I'm saying is, he was 14.

Can we really lump him in
with Kemper and Brudos?

Without Corll's influence, would
he have ever progressed to murder?

There's no way to know.

But incredibly, he
acknowledges a deep connection

with a man that he saw
do horrific things.

Who even threatened to kill him.

Maybe his need for
acceptance was more powerful

than any moral boundary.

And Corll exploited that.

I've been thinking that we
should talk about our tactics.

You know, we wouldn't have gotten
any of this if I hadn't...

- Improvised?
- Maybe made some shit up?

Touché.

If we're going to teach
an interview technique,

it can't be strictly
following the instrument.

So far, the only thing that's
worked is to talk about them.

Sir.

Henley?

Quite a maneuver, Dr. Carr.
I thought I was reading Holden.

Gregg, would you give
us a minute, please?

Assistant Director Wyman is
coming down in a few weeks.

I'm having a small gathering at my home,

and I'd like you all to come.

Of course. Be happy to, Ted.

Wyman could be a
powerful advocate in DC.

I'd like him to hear our
narrative directly from you,

the people who created this.

Yes, sir.

So, it's a working party.

Yes, but I want you to have a
good time, Bill. Bring Nancy.

Holden, Dr. Carr, please
feel free to bring a guest.

Thank you, sir. We'll plan on it.

Oh, uh, one more thing.

I got you Manson.

- When?
- Three weeks.

Holy shit.

We have to think carefully
about how we approach this.

Did he say Manson?

We approach it like we
do every interview.

No. This is the first
time that we'll sit down

with a subject who hasn't
actually taken a life.

Now what would be valuable

would be to look at him
from the team perspective.

Manson was the undisputed
leader of his Family.

Then that's our approach.

The ME's report corroborates

the testimony of the other children:

that Brian did not directly
engage in the activities

that led to the death of the victim.

However, he was present
and, as he has admitted,

he was the one who suggested
placing the victim on the cross.

He thought it would bring
Daniel back to life...

Mrs. Tench, a child has been
forever lost to his family.

Brian seemingly acted without
malice, and because of his age,

I'm choosing not to pursue
legal action against him.

But the State cannot ignore

that he had ample
opportunity to go for help

or to speak with you, his
parents, after the fact.

He chose not to.

Either he was evading detection,

or he has no concept of right and wrong.

The State is obligated to try
to understand his motives

to ensure he is not a danger
to himself or the community.

- A danger?
- I am transferring him

to the Department of Health and
Human Services for evaluation.

Will we be able to keep him at home?

Yes.

You have been assigned a caseworker
and a mental health professional.

The court will render decisions
based solely on their evaluations.

Your compliance in this
process is mandatory

and will be critical in
determining Brian's future.

Social workers are underpaid
and overeducated.

Don't try and sit this person down
and explain your way out of this.

It won't go over well with them.

No matter what hoops they present,
it's best to jump through.

I thought once they found out

Brian was telling the
truth, this would be over.

We get to keep him at home, Nance.

To be poked and prodded by strangers.

- A social worker?
- We don't have a choice.

He didn't do anything.

Thanks, Art.

- I appreciate everything...
- It's all right, Bill.

I've got kids myself.

Take care.

Why didn't you say something in there?

- You won't defend your own child?
- It's not a courtroom, honey.

Art's right, we have to
go through the process.

And maybe it's not a bad idea
for Brian to talk to someone.

He's not defective.

He's not a criminal.

I know that, Nance.

He's coming home with us.

Today was a good day.

♪ Cease to exist ♪

♪ Just come and say you love me ♪

♪ Give up your world ♪

♪ Come on, you can be ♪

♪ I'm your kind ♪

♪ Oh, your kind, and I can... ♪

Seriously?

He's not bad.

Just tough to promote?

You're down the rabbit hole.

Did I miss anything that matters?

No. We were just about to
start talking objectives.

Wendy is absolutely right.

- Uh-huh.
- We're not asking Manson about killing.

What we need to find out
is how a diminutive,

uneducated ex-con

convinced a group of
middle-class teenagers

to brutally murder seven strangers.

The killers:

Susan Atkins, 19.

Manson called her "Sadie."

Church choir member.

Linda Kasabian, 20.

Good student.

Described as a "starry-eyed
romantic" by her friends.

Patricia Krenwinkel, 22.

Studied catechism.
Considered becoming a nun.

Mary Brunner, 26.

Librarian.

And Tex Watson, 24.

Honors student, school paper
editor, lettered athlete.

Looks like a high school yearbook.

All grew up in average homes,
had high school educations,

some had college.

Then all became runaways and somehow
washed up in Manson's Family.

With the exception of Brunner,
the very first Family member,

their transformation to murderers
took less than two years.

Mary Brunner wasn't involved
in the Tate/LaBianca murders.

That's correct. She was
arrested with Bobby Beausoleil

just two days before Tate/LaBianca.

The pair killed a music
producer over a bad drug deal,

but what's really of
interest is the scene.

Brunner and Beausoleil
tried to pin their murder

on the Black Panthers

by writing "political piggy" on
the wall in the victim's blood.

Now here's the LaBianca scene.

"Death to pigs."

And the scene at Cielo Drive...

"Pig" in Sharon Tate's blood.

Helter Skelter.

It was Manson's theme.

The prosecution's case

rested on his desire to
incite a race war as motive

and his control over
the Family as means.

Ever heard of Krishna Venta?

- No.
- Ex-con who declared himself a messiah.

He founded his own church,

preaching society was
corrupt and doomed.

He said there was a race war coming.

Krishna said he knew a
secret place in the desert

where he and his flock
could wait it all out.

Then, when the war was over,

they'd emerge and create
a new civilization.

That's right out of Manson's playbook.

Krishna's playbook.

Manson stayed at his church in '68.

He said, "It's like the spirit
of everything brought me there."

Later, he espoused exactly
the same doctrine,

calling it "Helter Skelter."

Helter Skelter wasn't
even Manson's idea?

As borrowed as the name.

He's a fraud.

Still, the question remains,

how does a guy like that...

get kids like that...

to do that?

Have you noticed any changes in
his behavior, self-soothing?

Not at all.

- Do you read to him, Mrs. Tench?
- Mm-hmm.

He likes Clifford the Big Red Dog.

Sports, Mr. Tench?

He rides his bike.

- Almost off training wheels.
- But no team sports.

No.

What does he do when he's upset?

He's not a big talker, but...

he always comes to us
if he needs anything.

And he attends the public school?

Yes.

Which has no special
education department?

- No.
- No, we've never felt

he needed that kind of...

Brian's just shy.

I see.

How do you handle bad behavior?

Nothing extraordinary.

Sent to his room, the usual thing.

Corporal punishment?

- Never.
- No.

- Do you have a weapon in the house?
- I keep my gun in my office.

And you keep it locked?

At all times.

Brian!

Brian, come here.

Hm.

This is Miss Leland.

Ms. Leland.

Hi, Brian.

Bri, why don't you go inside
and read some Clifford?

I'll be right in.

Go on.

Does he avoid you?

He's had a tough few weeks.

Ms. Leland, we love Brian.

He may be adopted, but he's our baby.

Of course he is, Mrs. Tench.

At our next appointment, I'll
need the birth certificate,

his medical records, and
all school reports.

These explain the process.

Basic child safety guidelines.

I'll be stopping by periodically,
unannounced, to observe.

We need to establish a baseline

for how he behaves in this environment

to evaluate his progress.

Then we can determine whether
adjustments need to be made.

What kind of adjustments?

We won't know until
we've spent some time.

Your appointments with Dr.
Moritz will be every Friday.

You'll both need to attend.

Of course.

We'll submit regular reports
to the commonwealth attorney

with our recommendations.

Ultimately, he'll make all
decisions moving forward.

We'll see you.

Yes, you will.

We do the exact same thing.

What's that?

Walk the crime scene.

Don't get too comfortable around her.

She's not our friend.

Hold it!

- FBI.
- Thank you.

You hoping for an autograph?

It's research.

Try not to moisten yourself
before you get inside.

It's gonna be a bit of a wait. He's
refusing to come out of his cell.

I'm stunned.

- Any chance Kemper's available?
- I can check.

No! Not Kemper.

We came to see Manson.

- We'll wait him out.
- Bill, I'll be fine.

You need to ask Kemper

about returning to the scene
of the crime, for BTK.

We know he did that. He told us.

But we need to know why.

I will be fine.

Besides, how's Manson gonna feel

when he finds out we're
talking to Kemper?

These guys are all
jealous of each other.

For the use of reason

is to justify the obscure
desires that move our conduct,

impulses, passions,

prejudice, and follies.

Gentlemen.

What a surprise.

- Bill.
- Ed.

Holden.

Good to see you, Ed.

Have a seat.

Do you know that Holden came to see me

when I was in the hospital?

I'm aware.

It really meant a lot to me.

That's what friends are for, right?

So, Manson, huh?

Word travels fast.

Oh, it's hard to keep
something like that quiet.

Everybody knows when
Charlie takes a shit.

And if you haven't heard,
he'll tell you all about it.

Even if somebody else
took the shit for him.

- Right.
- He's never done that.

Doesn't know what it's like.

You're saying he's not
worth our attention?

The "mayhem" has been
copiously mythologized.

If you really want to understand
how that all went down,

you should talk to Tex.

- The all-American pawn?
- Yeah.

- I'm sure you're right, Bill.
- We'll keep that in mind.

But we didn't come here
to talk about Manson.

Oh.

What did you want to talk about?

You, Ed.

I wanted to ask you about
something you said a while back.

About revisiting the
sites of your victims.

Mm-hmm?

Why did you do that?

Well, at the murder site, I
could relive the experience.

Feel the same elation,

the incredible release.

It excited you.

Yes.

I would also relive the
sexual gratification.

What would make you decide to visit?

The feeling of complete dominance,

total possession you get from a kill,

becomes a need.

That need builds until
it becomes a compulsion

to a point that you have to hunt again.

Sometimes, I could stave off that need

by remembering the moment of the kill.

You can really savor that when
you're in the exact spot.

What if you can't make it to a site?

Too many people around.

I kept things. Little trinkets.
Reminders of my experience.

The Polaroids.

I could hold them. Possess them.

They were souvenirs.

Was there a specific amount of time,

something you could measure, when
the "souvenirs" weren't enough?

Have you got somebody, Holden?

Someone you can't catch?

Is that right, Bill?

Who is it? The East Area Rapist?
The San Mateo Slasher?

I-45 Killer down in Texas?

You've found somebody who
hasn't made the news yet.

Just startin' out.

Would you have any thoughts
on someone like that?

Of course.

But I'd have to be acquainted
with the pertinent facts.

We can't discuss ongoing
investigations, Ed.

With anyone.

I'm sure you understand.

Of course, Bill.

It's a taxing lifestyle.

A lot of factors that go into success.

As I got better,

I was very careful that all
conditions were exactly right.

This person you're after, he has
an overwhelming fantasy life.

Fantasies of what he's
done, what he wants to do,

how he's going to improve.

These dreams will consume him.

Soon, the real world won't even compare.

How do we catch a fantasy, Ed?

You can't. If he's any good,

you'll never see it.

He'll live like any other person,

have relationships, hold down a job.

We know killers don't have the
tools to manage real life.

They come from marginalized backgrounds,

they break under the pressure
of what they've done.

They make mistakes.

It seems to me everything you
know about serial killers

has been gleaned from the
ones who've been caught.

He's ready.

Sorry, Ed.

That's all right, Bill.

Did you save enough
tape for the charlatan?

I brought extra.

You'll need it. He's a talker.

I'm still trying to write my book.

I just need access to a typewriter.

Yeah, we'll see what we can do.

Thank you, Bill.

See you around.

One more thing.

Manson is really small.

Like, really small.

Try not to stare.

Suck my dick!

That's my bitch!

Fuck you, man!

Fuck you!

Fuck you! Fuck you!

Do you think we should talk to Tex?

You realize Kemper keeps reeling you in?

He's the most cogent, credible
subject we've ever interviewed.

The bar is low.

If Kemper hadn't turned himself in,

he could've avoided capture
for as long as he wanted.

He's an incredible resource.

You bought a new microphone.

For posterity.

Like a fucking king.

Uncuff him, please.

All of them.

I'm Special Agent Tench.

This is Special Agent Ford.

This isn't an interrogation, Mr. Manson.

We know that you didn't commit
the Tate or LaBianca murders.

What we're interested in is your
relationship with your Family.

And what bearing that
relationship had on the crimes.

Please.

We'd like to hear from you,

in your own words,

about what happened.

Do you mind if we record this?

Over the years,

some members have blamed
you for the murders,

then changed their story.

Others, quite famously,
have protected you.

You seem to have a hold
on them even from prison.

But no matter what they say,

you maintain the same story.

Because my truth is simple.

- And your truth's complicated.
- Complicated how?

Well, you don't see it, but
the only truth is now.

Now is the only thing that's real.

Well, we're mainly interested in then.

How you met, influenced,

and indoctrinated the
people who followed you.

Indoctrinated? Come on, man.

How did the Family begin?

Did you start with the girls?

These people you call the "Family,"

they're just children
that you didn't want.

You threw 'em out like trash.

So I picked them up off the side
of the road, and I said this:

in love, there is no wrong.

Love? That's what you
taught your Family?

You're a family man, Agent Tench?

- Yeah.
- Yeah?

Yeah, he's a family man, too,
with his keys and his gun.

He's teaching his children right now.

They're learning his beliefs,
and they'll be living 'em.

And you, you're teaching your children.

Look at yourself, judge
the lies you live in.

These children that come
at you with knives,

they're your children.

They were your followers, Charlie.
You gave them the knife.

You taught 'em! I didn't teach 'em.

I just tried to help 'em stand up.

And they stood up, went out, and
killed seven innocent people.

Oh, so now it's my fault?

It's my fault that your
children do what they do?

Your own children who
you are neglecting?

We know that no one in the Family

acted without your approval, Charlie.

Well, if you know, you know.

You don't need to talk to me.

It's yourself you need to talk to.

Let's talk about August 9th, 1969.

That is gone in the past.

And when it is gone,
it is gone, brother.

That summer, you told the Family,

"Now is the time for Helter Skelter."

That they needed to start a race war

by murdering wealthy white people...

That's the district attorney's
fantasy. That's his fears.

That's a reflection of his fears.

So you're saying that
this never happened?

Sure, I'm saying that never happened!

Bugliosi is a genius, man!

He got everything a prosecutor would
want, except one thing: a case.

He doesn't have a case!

So he puts Linda Kasabian on the stand,

and she tells a sad story
about how she has lied,

and cheated, and...

and done every dishonest
thing that she can think of.

Oh, but it's okay, she's
telling the truth now.

She wouldn't have any ulterior motive,

like immunity for seven
counts of murder.

You're saying she lied?
All the witnesses lied?

Each witness got up and testified
only what was best for them.

They didn't testify
what was best for me.

Do you believe this
Helter Skelter bullshit?

"Death to Pigs." "Political Piggy."

- Got to admit, it sounds like a vision.
- There's no vision.

I might have had an opinion
about blacks and whites

and the hassles they were havin'.

But I don't recall saying anything
about starting a race war.

So how did that become the story?

It was Sadie who started hearing
messages in the White Album.

She gave the media the material for
any perversion they cared print.

The DA grabbed Sadie's version,

ran all the way through
the courtroom with it:

"Charles Manson: the most
dangerous man alive."

"Hippie cult leader who
programmed people to kill."

In that book, he's got me so powerful,

a look from me stopped his watch!

I'd lay there in my cell wondering,

"Wow, am I really all they say?"

I was halfway believing
that shit myself.

But I've been staring
at every clock I see.

And you know what?

As hard as I stare, the
clock never stops.

You had a group of teenagers
isolated in the desert.

You gave 'em drugs, you
convinced 'em you were God,

and you sent 'em out to kill.

Listen man, Bobby Beausoleil was
sitting in jail for murder, you dig?

Tex and Sadie came to me

and said, "Let's do some copycat
killings to get him off."

You're saying the murders, everything,

was just to get Bobby
Beausoleil out of prison?

Those kids were looking
at me with hard eyes.

Yeah, your kids.

Tex Watson, the all-American boy?

The pride of Copeville, Texas?

I have better sense than
to disagree with him.

So I said this:

"You do what your love tells you to do.

I'll do what my love tells me."

Now whatever he did, that's up to him.

He'll have to explain it to you.

Just to be clear,

this was their plan? You
weren't responsible...

You got a circle that a
man lives inside of.

He's responsible for his
circle and his circle only.

Now, I don't recall
saying anything about,

"Go get a knife and kill
anyone" or anything.

Bullshit.

If I wanted, I could kill
you with your mic cord.

With your pencil.

But I wanna love myself, so
I'm not going to do that.

No, you're gonna put it
in someone else's circle.

Listen, man. Tex?

It was hard to tell if he was at the end

of an old high or startin' a new one.

Now, I went back to the Cielo
Drive house that night,

and sent one of the kids inside
to see if he'd really done it.

Why didn't you go inside?

It was a crime scene. I'd have
been in violation of my parole.

But you were at the LaBianca
murders, weren't you, Charlie?

I had to go. I had to go.

- You had to?
- Yeah. Listen, Tex,

he put himself on me, man.

He tried to make me look weak.

We were moving forward inside ourselves.

We were learnin' new things.
And he changed it.

See, he went outside.
He made his own circle.

And, what, now he wants to
go back to "Jesus loves me"?

Blood of the lamb,

the right/wrong games we
played for 2,000 years?

Right and wrong is a game?

There are no rights and
wrongs, only ises.

Whatever life is, it is.

Right and wrong got
nothing to do with it.

So the murder of seven people just "is"?

Well, it is, isn't it?

No one ever dies, no one ever lives.

Those are two words in a leftover game.

People did die, Charlie.
You made sure of it.

Everything is love, man.

There's nothing that isn't love.

Really? Nothin'?

How much more of this shit
do you wanna listen to?

You need to walk on a
different street, guy.

Put your clothes on backwards,
and let everyone laugh at you.

You're a coward, Charlie.

A coward who takes no
responsibility for his actions.

Yeah, you eat meat with your teeth,

you kill things that
are better than you,

and then you say your
children are killers.

No, I'm saying you're a killer.

I have killed no one...

You ordered them to go to that house

- and slaughter everyone there.
- ... and I wanted no one to be killed.

I did not direct anyone to do anything

other than what they wanted to do.

You didn't stop them either.

I always let children go. If he
falls, that is how he learns.

You become strong by fallin'.

You're not supposed
to let children fall.

You're supposed to guide them.

Guide them into what?

Guide them into what
you've guided them into?

- You fucking midget!
- Bill!

This anger that you're
feeling, Agent Tench,

this is just the anger
that you have got for you.

Find someone else to put yourself on.

I'm tired of being your goat. I'm
tired of being your reflection.

- You're not my reflection.
- I've always been yours.

I've been in your cell since
I was eight years old.

I don't even have a name.

I'm B-33920.

A bell rings, I get up!

A bell rings, I go out!

A bell rings, I do what that bell says.

I'm Pavlov's dog, man.

I'm anything you want me to be.

But what you want is a fiend...

because that's what you are.

See, I never had any say in your world,

you created it.

How do you feel about those murders?

That's what counts.

Happened in your world, not in mine.

What "counts" is that you ordered
the deaths of seven people.

Eight if you "count" an unborn baby.

And now you can reflect it back on me,

and you can lock me up
in your penitentiary,

and you can say that
your world's better.

But prison's a frame of thought.

We're all our own prisons,
we are each our own wardens,

we do our own time.

Prison is in your mind.

Can't you see I'm free?

- You don't look so free to me, Charlie.
- You don't look free to me!

You look like a composite of
what someone told you you are.

You live for other people's
opinion, you got pain on your face,

and you wonder if you look okay.

- That's it.
- Bill.

Hey, man.

I like your sunglasses.

Can I have 'em?

Thank you kindly.

The guru of Munchkinland can
fuck off straight to hell

as far as I'm concerned.

Agent Ford!

Manson said he lifted these from you.

- He said he stole them?
- He was braggin' about it.

He's on his way to the hole.

It's such bullshit.

What makes more sense?

Manson being forced to go along
with Tex and Sadie's copycat crime,

or a race war predicted by the Beatles?

You're saying the DA lied?

I'm saying he gave it a narrative.

He had to explain to a
normal, middle-class jury

how some normal, middle-class kids
brutally murdered seven people.

Jesus, Holden.

Watson's an hour away.

Let's just spend the
night and talk to him.

I have to get home.

- You can't spend one more day?
- No, I can't.

And after Atlanta, we
can't fuck up again.

If you stay and do this
interview, I need to know,

can I trust you?

Absolutely.

Just go in, do the interview,
come home. Got it?

I promise.

Thanks, Bill.

Fuck. What time have you got?

5:16.

Something wrong with your watch?

Excuse me!

FBI. Is there any way you
could hold the plane?

I'm sorry, sir. It's gone.

Is there a red-eye?

10:00 pm. Arrives in Washington at 6:30.

Thanks.

I apologize.

I can catch him up on things
if you... wanna start.

The appointment is for the
benefit of both parents.

I'm sorry.

So sorry I'm late.

Of course. It happens.

I just, uh, would be careful being late

to appointments with Ms. Leland

or the CA's office.

What we're trying to do here is
avoid as many red flags as we can.

Absolutely.

I'm here to help you both,

and Brian, of course, get through
this as easily as possible.

Thank you.

Now, the goal of our sessions will
be to glean Brian's understanding

of the event, his intentions...

He didn't mean to do
anything to that little boy.

He thought by making a cross...

Mrs. Tench, I... I'm going to
need to hear that from Brian.

Well, I think I understand my child.

Your knowledge of Brian's behaviors

is going to be essential.

But we have to complete
the process methodically.

We understand.

Uh, let's start with homelife.

I see, from Ms. Leland,

that your work with the
bureau involves some travel.

Your wife tells me you
teach "road school"?

He's home most of the time now.

Why exactly were you late, Mr. Tench?

I work in Behavioral
Sciences for the FBI.

- I don't know what that means.
- My unit develops procedures

for identifying criminals

by their psychological fingerprint.

And how do you do that?

We conduct interviews
with convicted felons,

try to codify their behavior,

gain insight into their mental states.

What types of criminals
do you deal with?

I study multiple murderers.

And were you interviewing an
actual murderer this morning?

I was late because I was in California

interviewing Charles Manson.

Manson?

Yes, sir.

Wait. You spoke directly
with Charles Manson?

Wow. He is quite the
character, isn't he?

You ain't kiddin'.

Yeah, I... I must admit,
I'm very intrigued

by what that conversation was like.

Could you share any tidbits?

Sure.

Now that I've been in here a while,

I understand Charlie a whole lot better.

How so?

It's survival.

Charlie's not a tough guy, so
he created a prophet persona.

A false prophet, for sure.

Nothing he ever said came true
except for the things we did.

But he could convince you of
things you never thought possible.

We didn't know if he was
Jesus or the Devil, but...

either was better than
facing the world alone.

But you didn't grow up alone. You
said you had a loving family.

You must have developed a moral
compass before you ever met Charlie.

Let's just say Charlie had a way

of making you think
things were your idea.

He'd start small, like,
he'd gather us in a circle,

and he'd put a chair in the middle,

and he would tell us to imagine
there was a person in that chair

and that we had to scare them to death.

Staring at 'em. Screaming at 'em.

An empty chair?

But in our minds, they were sirens
of the apocalypse sittin' there.

Charlie would talk about
things we might do to them.

Like, break into their houses,

tie them up, kill their families.

Those ideas, they were only ours
because they were his first.

Once we incorporated them, he'd
send us out creepy-crawling.

Sorry. What is creepy-crawling?

It's what Charlie called it,

sneakin' into people's houses,

movin' furniture around.

He said it would help us face
our fears, go beyond them.

But Charlie was giving us so many drugs,

we didn't know what fear was.

He gave them to you?

Belladonna, Orange Sunshine, STP.

By the time Charlie said
Helter Skelter was coming,

we were doin' really heavy stuff.

Charlie talked about Helter Skelter?

All the time.

He told us Helter Skelter was
concocted by the district attorney.

From the moment I met him, Charlie
was talkin' about a race war.

We lived every day thinking
the world was about to end.

There is freedom in that.

If there's no tomorrow,
there's no consequences.

Does it matter what you do
on your last day on earth?

What crimes might you
commit, Agent Ford?

I'd like to think I'd still
know right from wrong.

By then, there was no wrong.

I had no conscience. That
had been taken from me.

By Charlie?

Charlie said you and Sadie
came up with the murders

as a way of getting Bobby
Beausoleil out of prison.

You have to understand, we were all one.

We were part of the all.

We thought the same thoughts.

Charlie kept saying

that if blackie didn't
start Helter Skelter soon,

then we'd have to show 'em how.

He chose Cielo Drive because
he'd been there before.

- So that was his idea.
- They were all his ideas.

But he didn't go with you.

Charlie wasn't about
getting his hands dirty.

He did go to the house.

Only after it was all over.

Did Charlie give you or the
girls any specific orders?

He told me to kill everyone.

He said, "Make it as
gruesome as you can."

Told me, "Kill 'em all."

And you did.

Yes, sir.

I remember... being in the car.

I had so many drugs in my system,

my mind kept phasing in and out.

I was lyin' with my head in Sadie's lap.

She shook me and told me
to cut the phone lines.

Next thing I remember, we
were walkin' up the drive.

There were headlights, and
Sadie hollered, "Get him."

I looked down,

I had a gun in my hand,

so I stuck it in the window

and I pulled the trigger.

There was no thought. No feeling at all.

Eighteen-year-old Steven Parent.

That was the first true sin of my life.

But I've repented of it.

God's grace has blessed my soul
with the peace of his forgiveness.

You said you felt nothing?

Because death didn't matter to us.

Okay.

What happened in the house?

I remember following Sadie inside.

There was a man asleep on the couch,

it was quiet.

Then people started coming
in from other rooms.

A man was comin' at me, yellin'.

I... I had the gun, so I shot him.

Everything just busted open.

Women were screamin'.

We were stabbin' people, runnin' around.

There was blood everywhere.

Did you feel anything then?

Sadie had to kick me to get me going.

But you... got going.

You have to remember, those
people, they were just shapes.

They had no faces.

Sadie was outside hollerin' for me.

She had this woman pinned on the lawn...

... so I stabbed her.

You stabbed Abigail Folger... 28 times.

Yeah.

She was... practically
dead when I got there.

Frykowski had 51 stab wounds.

I remember the knife going
up and down, like, um...

... a hammer in an engine block

until my fist disappeared in the mess.

And then?

And then we went into the living room.

Where Sharon Tate was.

Could you see she was pregnant?

Oh, yeah.

If there are any problems, I'm
gonna talk to him about it.

They're gonna try.

She begged us to take her with us,

let her have her baby
and kill her after.

Tex?

It didn't seem crazy at the
time, the idea of takin' her.

But I kept hearing Charlie's voice,

"Kill 'em all."

He told me over and over again,
"Make sure everyone's dead."

So you made sure.

I did what Charlie told me.

Except go to the other houses.

What other houses?

Charlie had given us a
list, but... I was tired.

It's hard stabbin' people, Agent Ford.

Sometimes you hit bone.
My hands were aching.

So we went back to the ranch, and...

and I slept like a baby.

Tex, do you think you would
have ever killed anyone

if you hadn't met Charlie?

I hope not.

I pray to God I wouldn't have, but...

I know, in my heart, I harbored anger.

I shot and I stabbed them.

I beat Frykowski's head with a
pistol until it broke in my hand.

But Charlie told you to do it.

Charlie never killed anyone.

He just removed our fear of doin' it.

So you're taking responsibility.

I killed those people.

All of them.

Those people are victims
of the Watson murders.

But the Bible tells us, all have sinned,

and all fall short of the glory of God.

He who confesses obtains mercy.

I was lost...

... until I gave myself to the Lord.

But now, I've been redeemed by
the perfect blood of Christ.

First Manson and then Jesus.

He's just exchanged one
belief system for another.

See, the contradicting
stories don't concern me.

Neither is a completely reliable source.

And I'm not so sure that
Manson was a total loss.

He had influence

over his young followers

much in the same way that
Corll had over Henley.

He used sex and drugs.

But he also had an overt philosophy.

If you can call it that.

What is Helter Skelter, really?

It's borrowed.

But how is it useful to him?

What if the point of Helter
Skelter wasn't a race war?

What if it was about control?

- Over the Family?
- A cause to forge solidarity.

What if Tex and Sadie did come up
with the idea of a copycat crime?

It's proactive, risky, revolutionary.

It may not have been what Manson
intended, but they called his bluff.

They were doing what
he only talks about.

From Manson's perspective, his
authority would have been threatened.

He'd have no choice but
to go along with it.

At the LaBianca house,

Manson went in and tied up the victims
before sending the killers in.

He wanted to remind them
that this was his plan.

Not anyone else's.

He was doing whatever he could to
keep authority over his Family.

Control, or at least the appearance
of it, was worth any cost.

Even seven murders.

When we were leaving,
he did a weird thing.

He asked for my sunglasses,
so I gave them to him.

A guard chased me down
and said Manson bragged

to everyone he stole them from the FBI.

He was willing to go to the
hole just to look powerful.

On the one hand, you have a
bunch of drugged-out kids.

On the other, a practiced,
manipulative ex-con.

And you're arguing that
Manson was forced into it?

Tex gave a pretty detailed account
of succumbing to brainwashing.

He didn't dismiss the idea

that he would've killed
without meeting Manson.

Manson found the right people.

Young, submissive, alone.

But primarily, people
with untapped potential.

People who saw themselves as outliers.

People who only had to have their
fear removed to do what they did.

He simply helped them be who they were.

Hi.

- Escort me in?
- Nancy not coming?

Didn't want to drag her
to another office thing.

- You?
- Same.

So, how painful do you think...

... this thing is gonna be?

From the look of the house, at
least the booze will be good.

Welcome.

Come on in.

Everyone's in the living room.

AD Wyman's already here.

I've been giving him a little warm-up.

Saving the best parts
for you, of course.

Remember, all they want
is a good war story.

Got a few of those.

Bill, go ahead in. I'll be right there.

Thank you.

Shilling for the FBI

probably is not what you
expected to be roped into.

Oh, it's fine. I did plenty of it at BU.

Well, I appreciate it.

And I do want you to have a good time.

Speaking of which,

there's someone I would
love for you to meet.

Warren.

This is Dr. Wendy Carr.

Oh. Um... It is a pleasure, Dr. Carr.

Warren is our liaison with the LEAA,

so basically, he manages
our purse strings.

The good news is, I'm already a
fan, so there's no need to sell me.

Whew. Well, that's a relief.

Let me have a drink sent
over. What will you have?

A glass of white wine, thank you.

So you actually read our reports?

They are so much more interesting
than budget committee minutes.

That's a low standard.

Well, I really have read them, Doctor...

- May I call you Wendy?
- Of course.

I've read the transcripts.

I've read the analyses,
and they're fascinating.

And truly original.

We were asked to keep our "originality"

in the basement when we started.

It must have been quite a shock,

coming from the world of
scholarship and daylight

into a bunker full of G-men.

I'm doing work that I
wouldn't be able to do

- anywhere else.
- You are hardly what I expected

from the "Dr. Carr Commentary on
Ed Kemper's Mutilation Fantasies."

Well, I'm afraid to ask
what you expected.

Something not so form-fitted.

- A lot more tweed.
- Ah.

George, this is Special
Agent Bill Tench.

Founder of our Behavioral Science Unit.

Ah.

I was telling George I only
know the boring admin side.

You are the guy who sits in the
room with the serial killers.

That's me, sir.

Amazing. Ted says no cuffs on
these guys. Is that right?

Makes 'em feel like we really want
to hear their side of the story.

Bill has been able to get
things out of Speck,

Berkowitz, even Manson, that they
have never said to anybody else.

We went into Berkowitz

thinking we were just going
to hear that same old demon,

barking dog story.

What could we possibly learn
from a guy that crazy?

But we got him to admit
that the whole demon thing

was totally made up.

- He said that?
- A complete crock.

And he said the shrinks ate
it up faster than anybody.

But hiding in a basement or
hiding behind a typewriter,

you know, what else do you enjoy?

I don't consider either
of those things "hiding."

What I mean is,

you have a very compelling presence.

Spending all your time in
such solitary pursuits,

you may not even be aware of your...

your effect on people.

What are we doing here?

- Well, every job has its politics.
- What I mean is,

we could be somewhere else, together.

Oh.

I'd like to be alone with you.

Ah, Warren, no, thank you.

- We could be really enjoying ourselves.
- Holden!

This is Special Agent Holden Ford

who's also with Behavioral Science.

This is Warren...

Freeman. Justice liaison.

- Hi.
- Hi.

Were you looking for the bar?

'Cause I was thinking about
getting myself a refill,

but I'm just gonna stop off
at the ladies' room, first.

I'll get your drink, and we
can finish our conversation.

Oh.

It's this way.

- Thank you.
- Yeah.

The guard said he bragged he'd
stolen sunglasses from an FBI agent.

They threw him in solitary.

Rather than say they were
a gift... There he is!

... he preferred to do
six weeks in the hole

just to look like he was a badass.

Gentlemen, this is Special Agent Ford.

He's been key in developing
many of the techniques

we now use in the field.

Bill's been regaling us. You must
have some amazing stories too.

I've had many of the same
experiences Bill's had.

I'll leave you in Agent Ford's hands.

Excuse me while I take a leak.

What's important in the Manson story

is that we're learning what
compulsions motivate behavior.

For him, it was the
appearance of control.

His crimes can be boiled
down to that singular need.

By correlating psychological
fingerprints to known behaviors,

we're building a primer to
understanding criminal action.

How did you escape the
dog and pony show?

You know, it's cheating
to hide with the wives.

Uh, Warren Freeman.

You know him?

Oh, yeah.

He's popular in the secretary pool

and the wives' club.

How'd you get away?

I... I grabbed on to the
first passing body.

Happened to be Holden.

That bad, huh?

Oh, I should've known.

How go the war stories?

I never know exactly
what it is I'm selling.

It's not the work.

I'm really just selling somebody
else's ass up the ladder.

Still, it's a hell of
a lot better than...

Sorry.

I got some things going on at home.

You okay?

Brian was playing with some
older boys and a toddler.

Things got out of hand...

and the older boys ended up
suffocating the toddler.

Oh, my God.

Brian saw it all.

He must've remembered the Bible story

because he convinced the other boys

to take the body and tie it to a cross.

He's exempt from charges, thankfully.

But he...

We have to go through
court-mandated protocols.

Is Brian talking to someone?

We've got a psychiatrist,
a social worker,

benchmarks we have to meet.

How is Nancy?

She's not grasping that Brian
might need some kind of help.

On the other hand,

she won't leave him
alone for five minutes.

That's really why she's
not here tonight.

We haven't left the house
since it happened.

I mean, just give it time.
I mean, this is huge.

And really, Bill,
anything that I can do.

I'm gonna ask for your discretion.

Holden doesn't know.

I understand.

They look critically bored.

We should get back in there.

Perform life support.

You know, Bill, I think that
I just might sneak out.

I don't blame you.

Wendy.

I hope I didn't frighten you off.

I'd love for us to finish our
talk, maybe somewhere quieter.

Oh, thank you, but I'm actually
not feeling very well.

Oh, I'd love to drive you home.

- I insist.
- I'm perfectly fine to drive.

Well, at least let me see you out.

No, Warren, I'm going to
see myself out. I insist.

♪ When we're out together ♪

♪ Dancin' cheek to cheek ♪

Wyman's invited you to speak at
the annual directors' retreat.

I accepted for you.

A spectacular country club: skeet, golf.

No wives.

And it's face time with the director.

That's what we were
hoping for tonight, sir?

Miss. Let's get this man a drink.

He's earned it.

Think you can get Holden
to loosen up a little?

... events in a suspect's life.

We've found a high incidence

of broken homes and
neglected families...

Did my partner tell you
about Richard Speck?

No.

So Speck comes in,

and we see he's got
something in his hands.

- Hello?
- Hey, Holden.

News from Atlanta.

Jim. Tell me.

Another body, another strangulation.

How old?

Twelve.

Clifford Jones.

He was collecting cans for change
so his aunt could do laundry.

Broad daylight.

He's number 13.

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