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Tonight, all 16 competitors are out of
Africa and live with us in Los Angeles,
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the first time they've all been together
since their days in Kenya. We have an
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audience of fans, friends, and family
this evening, particularly joyful, the
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family of Ethan, our ultimate survivor
and million -dollar winner.
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Congratulations. Thanks.
Congratulations.
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The floor is yours. Do you want to give
a big shout out to Diane and mom and
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your brothers?
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Hi, guys. Thanks for coming.
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Thanks for coming.
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They're real happy. They're really
happy. They're flying home first class.
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the favorite.
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What do you think the difference was?
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Oh, man.
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I don't know. You know, everyone, even
though I'm up here the winter, you know,
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I couldn't have gotten here without
everyone else.
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And the difference, a little bit of luck
involved and making.
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lasting alliances and sticking to your
alliances and sticking to your your gut
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and I'm not your gut. Sorry Yeah,
exactly but just
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having faith in others when when there
were so many times when things could
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gone different directions and you know
we stay true and I think That's what got
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me to the end.
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Let me come back to in a moment, but
just in case some reminders are needed
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me do a few reintroductions With us
tonight in the order they left Africa
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poster worker Diane Ogden, Deputy
Sheriff Jesse Camacho, dentist Carl
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Belacchione, and the Harvard -based
hugger Linda Spencer.
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Bartender Silas Gaither was the first
one booted out after the surprising
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switch. Then came Lindsay Richter.
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You haven't seen all of her until you've
seen her audition tape, which you will
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see a bit later.
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Don't look at me. You made it.
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Lindsay was followed by the bean lover,
Clarence Black.
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Then the members of the jury.
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First juror, first whatever.
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Kelly Goldsmith.
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The ever flamboyant, Brandon Quinton.
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His movie date, Frank Garrison.
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Then Lil' Kim, Kim Powers.
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And the T -Bird, Teresa Cooper.
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And, of course, our final four.
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The goat farmer, known as Big Tom, Tom
Buchanan.
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Grandmaster Lack.
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And Fenton Berg.
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Big Kim, Kim Johnson.
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And Ethan Zorn, now a millionaire.
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So what do you think the difference was?
That you had the most respect that you
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did as mom said, that you could play
with integrity and come home and not be
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ashamed of what you'd done?
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I think that had a lot to do with it.
But, you know, I think a lot of people
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played that way.
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And I think it's a very important part
of the game.
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You know, you don't have to be evil and
backstabbing and a villain to do well in
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this game. You can be yourself, you can
play yourself, you can play fair, you
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can try as hard as you can and just hope
for the best.
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Kim, why'd you decide to do a one -on
-one with Ethan rather than Lex?
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As I said, it probably was the hardest
decision that I've ever had to make
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because I really, really...
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respected and cared about them both. I
mean, when you're out there as many
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as we were together, you get to know
people pretty well.
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And I guess what it finally came down to
was I don't really think that I could
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have won against either one of them.
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And so I had to make a decision.
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I felt that Lex had won so many things
already and not, I mean, obviously not
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the million, sorry, Don.
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I guess what it finally came down to is
if I couldn't win it, who did I next
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feel deserved it the most?
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And you didn't think you could prevail
against Lex? No, I did not. You know
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Because honestly, and I know what we've
seen, but Lex was very well
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liked among all of us. A lot of the
comments that he made that seemed
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were not made to us. They were made.
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without our being able to hear it. And
so I think that... Kelly may disagree
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with you a little bit.
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But Kelly's won both.
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I mean, I really, I mean, I could name
four people right now that I know would
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have voted for Lex instead of me.
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So I think, and maybe instead of a 5 -2,
it might have been a 4 -3. You know, I
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don't know. But I didn't feel any more
confident.
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Lex, you said at the end, I've worked so
hard to get this far.
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In retrospect, was...
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Was your undoing being out in front too
much?
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You know, I didn't know any other way to
play the game. I mean, all of us went
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out there. We're all competitors.
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When you're put in this competition,
sure, you can think, well, maybe I
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pull back or I should hold back here.
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But out there, the only thing I knew was
how to just push as hard as I could,
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try to kick ass as much as I could, and
to win. I mean, that was whether it
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might have been strategically not the
best move.
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The only thing I could think of out
there to do, the only thing I could do
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go out there to win, and to win as much
as possible, and to win everything.
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Thomas, is it satisfying to have come so
close, or frustrating for the same
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reason?
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Well, it's frustrating. I'd rather won.
I'd rather be over that million dollars.
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He's going back first class, and I'm
going to walk.
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Was there a moment when you thought,
after you made the final four, that,
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can win this thing? Did you think you
could?
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I sure did.
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Obviously, a mental challenge wasn't
what I was hoping for.
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You know, I'm a goat farmer, not a
rocket scientist.
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But, you know, honestly, you know, I
felt real good. And we had a strong
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alliance. It proved all the way through
with Ethan, Lex, and me. And I felt real
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confident. And, you know, but.
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If you fail more than me, I can leave
it. Let me go to the jurors.
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Did you all have your minds made up
before the speeches? Well, not you,
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Obviously. I did. I actually did. I was
totally going to vote for Ethan. There
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was no question in my mind.
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And just because he dissed you on your
own question? Yeah, I just wanted to
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a little bit at Frank and tell him I was
mad that, you know, he beat me out by
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three days. And then, you know, Ethan's
like, you don't deserve it. I was like,
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how can I vote for that?
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And Kelly, the number?
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Help me out. Come on. And, you know, and
to be honest, Ethan's right. I didn't
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want to put in the mental effort. I
didn't think they deserved it. They
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butt out, and I said, you take this.
Pick a number.
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And that's how you came up with it?
Yeah, I just knew that it would make
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squirm a little bit.
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Yeah? Mm -hmm.
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Frank, Kim, T -Bird, what did you want
to hear them say at the end? Or was your
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mind pretty made up?
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I think for me, my mind had been made up
a long prior, you know, earlier weeks.
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And I also talked to Ethan, and I said,
Ethan, if it can't be me, then you're my
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man. So didn't I tell you that early on?
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So I knew way ahead.
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Yeah. Kim, you said it was a hard vote
for you, right? Real hard.
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Ultimately, what swung it to Kim Jay? I
loved Kim Jay's answer. I don't know.
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It was really sweet.
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You know, it was a very hard decision,
but Kim impressed me. She is 56 years
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old, and she was out there just kicking
some serious butt.
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I'm 30, and it was really hard on me.
And to see her as a female, she was a
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model. She was a role model.
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And Frank, for you, what was the
determining factor? Why Ethan? Why not
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mind was made up. I met Ethan all the
way as a soccer player.
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His interest in working with children,
you know, helping them come up through
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there, I just made up my mind. It was
just a common denominator there, and it
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was a quick vote.
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Silas, I remember saying early on in
this game that the game was 90 % luck,
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skill.
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having prevailed, what equation would
you give it?
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Not 90 % luck. I don't think that.
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I think there is a lot of luck involved.
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The whole switcheroo thing, I was
unlucky for some people, like Silas.
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He was a fish out of water once he came
over to us, and that could have been any
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one of us. And it was just unlucky for
him. In that sense, luck is a huge part
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of it. Did the best player win?
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I think so. Jim, did the best player
win? I think so. Lex? I do.
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Tom?
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I thought I was the best.
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Hey, guys.
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If I can't win, I'll... Yeah. Okay.
Well, but really, I had an alliance with
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Lex and Ethan. Yeah.
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And... If it wasn't me, I wouldn't be
here.
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Well, let me tell you something. When we
come back, we'll talk about alliances.
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We'll talk of friends and enemies, mate,
in the heat of competition. Stay with
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us. Our Survivor Africa reunion
continues.
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Live from Los Angeles, right after this.
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Go ahead, the floor is yours.
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I thought I was going to be a star, what
I are.
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Said I are, I ain't.
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Well, you are.
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It's a lot of fun. Yeah? A lot of fun. I
met 15 different great friends, and I
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don't know what else I could ask for.
Well, you know, we kind of slugged this
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section, friends and enemies, and I know
there are no enemies here.
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But you made an interesting comment,
Ethan, when you said out there you're...
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You're always surrounded by people, but
you felt so alone.
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I did. Is that because you couldn't
trust anybody?
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Well, there's always, no matter how
tight our lines was, no matter how good
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friends you are with everyone, there's
always that little bit in the back of
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your mind where, you know, these people
could be playing me, you know, they
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could turn on me at any minute, so you
can never fully, I never felt I could
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fully trust anyone. Yeah. Because, you
know, ultimately everyone wants to win.
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You're the last one standing. Diane, you
were the first one off.
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Is that embarrassing?
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Oh, yeah, no.
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I mean, I was kind of relieved to go
first, you know, being sick.
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It was too hard for me, and it didn't
really bother me. If you hadn't taken
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map, you think you would have lasted
longer?
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Yeah.
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I think it was the water that, you know,
that got dumped. Yeah.
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You were the first one to faint.
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Jessie, you were the first one to lose.
But I won.
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Yeah!
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To lose your breakfast.
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Why? Because you were unprepared?
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You know what? I'm not really sure. I
started drinking the water from the gore
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as soon as we got on the bus. And my
stomach was just not taking it right.
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Yeah. But, yeah, I puked. Oh, well.
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That's life.
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What were you going to say, Carlos?
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In Diane's defense, I mean, y 'all, she
was picked out of like 50 ,000 people.
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So I wouldn't say that was...
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You know, disappointing at all. I'm very
proud of Diane for being here. Very
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nice. No doubt.
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Very nice.
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Okay. All right.
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But Diane's plight brings us to the
first cringe moment of the series, which
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the bean.
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Okay?
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Tom, if I had a gun, I'd shoot you?
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Did I steal your beans?
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Isn't that a little over the top?
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I wasn't talking about saying I'd say
not men.
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You know, that was just a comment. If he
didn't shoot him, I would cut his
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throat. Yeah, maybe.
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Clarence, why'd you take it so well? I
mean, I'll be honest with you. There are
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a lot of folks sitting at home going,
yo, I would not take that.
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Hey, man, that was crazy.
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You know, because I'm just thinking,
man, I'm hungry. Like, I lost all
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to think rationally after that. You
know, all I could think, all I could
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was my,
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all I could know, I was just a victim of
hunger. I was just starving.
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So, you know, I ate it and it wasn't
until I was sitting there and these
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was yelling at me. And honestly, the
reason I didn't go up is because I was
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thinking about food.
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Like, I just ate them beans and I wanted
more, man. But I couldn't believe
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everybody was that mad. Like, I ain't
seen white people that mad since OJ got
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acquitted.
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On behalf of Men Clarence, probably Men
Clarence, after that, we worked
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hand in hand.
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Clarence took it like a man.
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I don't know.
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But to walk away from here after having
hard feelings and all the comments we
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made, Men Clarence is probably as tight
as anybody on the show.
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Brandon and Frank, can you say the same
thing?
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We're good friends. Yeah, we're
friendly.
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I mean, come on.
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That antipathy was pretty real, yeah?
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I mean, I'd rather be gone in three days
than have anybody think I sided with
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Frank. And I was gone in three days.
But, yeah, it was real out there. You
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when you spend that much time with
somebody that is so different to choose
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you and you hate them so much.
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Hate's a strong word, isn't it? It's
good. It's a good word, though.
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Yeah, it's a real word when you're out
there.
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And, you know, then I came home, and he
put his daughters on the phone. And, you
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know, then you'd see him for real
people. But out there, no, I couldn't
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him. He wasn't the only one, but just
one of many I didn't like out there.
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Frank, he used the word hate. I mean,
how would you characterize your feelings
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for Brandon out there?
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Brandon's just another human being. I
coexisted with him. I don't agree with
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lifestyle, but, you know.
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Yeah, but he wasn't asking you about his
lifestyle.
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No, but I mean, he just existed.
Besides, there was no hunting allowed
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I couldn't do anything about it.
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Did you dislike him intensely as he
disliked you?
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Not at all. We just needed to keep our
distance from space.
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Yeah.
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People were assuming that.
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Well, I mean, look, Carl was up there
nodding his head behind you because Carl
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and Linda had problems.
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And T -Bird, too, had problems with your
whole tribe. Had I not taken Frank to
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the waterhole for a break, he would have
killed him.
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You know, you guys, you had a split
along generational lines.
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You were the Geritol gang, right?
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You're aware that Kim said you guys
could have handled it better, that as
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older people, you should have found a
way to work together.
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Linda?
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And that was our downfall.
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And that's why there are no Samboro
people sitting in the front row.
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She's right. T -Bird, should you have
handled it better? Right. So we tried to
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pull it together. And then when the
tribes were swapped and we went over to
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Buran, then once we got Brandon and Kim
and Frank, there was still a division
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that we tried our best to pull together.
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I think the tribal elders, we like to
say tribal elders.
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We did our best to try to pull it
together.
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Yeah. Lindsay, why were you so nasty to
them?
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Excuse me. Can you address this to all
of us? Okay. Why were you so nasty to
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them? You know what? What really, I
mean, you know, there's so many
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stories of what happened out there. But
what really happened is I think.
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people just didn't really understand
what was going on most of the time. And
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things just kind of happened so fast,
and you thought you were doing the right
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thing one minute, and then the next
minute you were questioning it. And for
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I mean, not to mention the emotional
outbursts and the whining, I just think
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panicked a lot, and I became paranoid,
and I just wanted to stick with the
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people who I felt like were going to
protect me.
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And then it just turned nasty, and
nobody wanted it to, and nobody meant
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to happen. It just did, and there was
just no turning back.
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It was not...
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intentional by any means.
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But it was, you know, you couldn't
change it. There was no way to go back.
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was too far into it. Is there anybody
here who didn't have an alliance of some
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sort and didn't try for one?
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Jesse,
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you didn't?
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I've never watched Survivors. My first
time I was watching a full Survivor. So
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was totally unprepared. Six days, adios,
I'm gonna go. You didn't try for one
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either, huh? No, it's like, it's a funny
thing because after I stole that food,
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just nobody liked me for a little while.
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Hey,
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look, we're going to disappear for a
moment. When we come back, we'll talk
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the hardships of Africa.
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But first, as we get into a break, let's
head to New York City where I'm told
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every Thursday a group of Ethan's
friends gather to watch Survivor and
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on. Tonight they're gathered at a bar
and they are cheering.
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I think I can do it.
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You want me to be on Survivor.
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Lens, we watched the original upstairs.
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What were you thinking?
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I was painted.
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You're asking me why I did it? Yeah, I'm
sorry.
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To be honest, I had no idea.
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how to get on a show like this. I never
really watched it. I didn't know what
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the videos were like. And my friends and
I got together, and they said, you
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know, you're a great athlete. Let's show
all your athletic endeavors, what you
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do, snowboard, mountain bike, you know.
And three days before it was due, I
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said, that's lame.
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They're not going to care if I mountain
bike. So my friend Hannah took out her
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body paints and painted flowers on me
and said, you know, you've got to shock
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them. You've got to stand out. And I
guess it worked. It did.
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Is it fair to say that Africa was harder
than you thought it was going to be?
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Absolutely. Would that apply to
everybody here?
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Yeah.
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I mean, I'm an athlete. I compete
regularly in a tough sport, and nothing
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prepare you for this.
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I'm looking at a quote, and Lex, it was
you, who said, not a single one of us
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came here thinking the danger was going
to be real.
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Well, we didn't. You know, I remember
telling some of my friends before I
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They knew that I had applied for the
show, and I said, you know, Survivor,
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like reality TV.
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Half of it's reality, half of it's TV.
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But I think all of us were universally
shocked to find out that the animal
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danger was completely real.
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And those challenges, I mean, we all
came out there thinking, oh, these are
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going to be fun games.
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They're going to be like little Olympic
games or whatever.
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But when we did that boulder challenge,
that thing was so damn heavy. And when
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we started pushing it, and that thing
started rolling on our legs and...
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Like, you know, if one of us falls and
the thing rolls over our head, it will
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crush my head like a walnut.
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We could die out here. I mean, it sounds
so dramatic, but God, the challenges
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were nuts.
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You can see right... Oh, there it
takes... It just took him out.
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The game was so brutally hard. And when
I came home, the first thing I told all
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my friends was, you know, when I was
able to talk about it was, it was so
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harder. You guys have no idea. And as a
Survivor fan, before I went on the show,
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I mean, we used to watch them say, this
is hard, but it's TV, it's just
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television. It's hard. And the threats
were real. I mean, Kim, you were crying
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when you heard those lions outside of
Boma, yeah?
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Yes, I was.
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Yeah. You could see them. I mean, you
know, you could see their eyes and you
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could see their threats. But I'm sure
most people believe that if that lion
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gotten within three feet of that fence,
there'd have been a Mark Burnett rocket
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coming through.
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Mark Burnett was sleeping very soundly
in his bed.
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And there'd have been a big hole in the
ground where the lion was. Not true?
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That lion was three feet from us. I
mean, it was Ethan and I, the picket
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and the lion. And that's for real. And
that's pretty scary.
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You know, I don't know what anybody
would have done if that lion decided to
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the goma.
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I don't know. But I can tell you, from
our perspective, there was no one else
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around but me and Ethan and the lion.
And then, of course, Big Tom to the
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rescue. But it was scary. It was very
scary.
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Always Big Tom to the rescue. Always Big
Tom. I think we have a question for Big
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Tom up here. Bring it on. This question
is for Big Tom. How's your boil?
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Brand new.
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I'm in good shape now.
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It's busted, gone, forgot about.
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It was ugly. It was disgusting.
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The bull?
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Yeah.
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But let's talk a little bit about some
of the hardships you went through. I
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mean, it wasn't just the harshness of
the environment, but also, Kel, I mean,
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how difficult was it that there was
no...
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No relief from it. There was no place
where you can go to water and just hang
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out. There was no place to just take a
walk and be by yourself.
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It was really intense. It was a 24 -hour
-a -day game. You couldn't even really
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afford to sleep because people were up
talking about you all night. You had to
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be on your toes constantly.
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And, yeah, it was a wild ride, but I
think we all definitely enjoyed it.
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Frank, I saw where you said that if this
had been in Chile, you wouldn't have
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gone. I mean, the allure was.
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Africa was definitely the allure. But
like everybody here would agree, it was
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tough. And day two, I know speaking for
my tribe, we were struggling. I mean, it
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was 100 degrees.
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We had no water. We just got fire.
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And it was all real.
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CBS wasn't there handing out water
bottles. Did you think they would be?
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Absolutely not.
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Guy in front of you called it vegetarian
survivor.
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He thought it was pretty easy. Frank?
Yeah.
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He thought it was easy. I don't think he
thought it was easy.
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It was challenging. It was very
challenging.
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Do you disagree, Frank?
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Frank? The part with me was the mental
part of it, the people part of it. The
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people part of it. I disagree a lot. The
animals were there. I didn't care about
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the animals. I didn't care about the
heat.
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No, because you were up there talking to
the elephants. I didn't like that.
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Did you write that? The people, the
stress on the people because you just
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couldn't blow my fuse or do something.
Did you really think you could talk to
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that elephant? Absolutely.
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You can communicate with anything if you
try hard. Really?
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You had it going, huh?
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Speaking of relief, go 39 days with no
toilet paper.
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No relief.
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Want to repeat that for me? 39 days
without toilet paper.
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That's the hell about relief.
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Really? I mean, tough.
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I mean, everything, everybody thinks it
was all day in when, you know, just
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simple little everyday things you take
for granted, just brushing your teeth,
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toiletries, or just,
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Everyday things is a challenge.
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There's not only hardship, but the place
is somewhat magical.
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And you two got a taste of it when you
did the goat bartering, right? I mean,
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it's a cultural experience that's got to
rank high on your list, yeah?
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Definitely.
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Unbelievable.
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You know, you might be surprised to
learn that we did a little research on
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And about what a goat is really worth in
Kenya. No, this is the truth.
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As I recall, you got... What, $1 ,600
for the two of them?
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$1 ,800?
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I don't know.
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Around there.
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You'll be happy to know that when we
inquired, a goat is worth between $700
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$900. You got top dollar. You got top
dollar. But the french fries that we
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bought, those aren't worth like $1 ,400.
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We paid $1 ,400 for those. French fries
and a couple of drinks.
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He had a topper of experience, though,
when you went to Wamba Hospital, yeah?
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I mean, it sounds so cliched, but it was
really life -changing. I mean, when we
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were watching it, watching the episode
last week, I don't know how many times
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phone rang. It was off the hook when I
got the truck. And I was so excited. But
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I got to see that hospital. I mean, it
was just, it was really, I mean, it
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really opened my eyes. And to get that
experience and to see it from the inside
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out and to meet somebody.
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The doctor, the good Italian doctor
there, who is really literally a living
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saint. I mean, you can't help but have
that change you. And it's special to two
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of your cast members, both of whom,
Linda and T -Bird, lost a brother to
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It had to be a very special moment. Very
special moment, yeah.
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In fact, once I was voted out and I had
an opportunity to travel around with
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this health care clinic that focused on
AIDS awareness and family planning, so I
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was fortunate enough to have close to
two weeks.
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of traveling around with nurses who were
caring for sick people.
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So it was very special.
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And, in fact, I saw when he was driving
off in the ambulance, you had tears in
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your eyes, T -Bird.
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You were crying. You really wanted that.
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Well, no, actually, when they lifted up
the back of the truck, in the first box
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I saw it said HIV test kit.
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All of a sudden I knew, you know, what
it was and where they were going, and it
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was actually tears of joy because I knew
that.
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They were going to be put to good use,
and they needed to be there.
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And, of course, that Lex was the one
that got to go. You know, unlike his
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reputation through all this, he's a very
sensitive, wonderful guy.
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And to think that he was going to be
representing us, if it couldn't have
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me, once again, it was perfect that he
went. You know what's so sweet? That's
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the first thing she told me when I got
back. She said, I'm so happy you were
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able to do it.
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And she truly, those tears were tears of
joy that people were being helped.
444
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As we take a break here, as we take a
break, watch this big time. Let's check
445
00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:18,490
on a party going on in Tom's hometown,
Rich Valley, Virginia.
446
00:26:25,650 --> 00:26:32,550
You should put me on Survivor, and let
me tell you why.
447
00:26:33,150 --> 00:26:37,910
On the application, you asked if we had
any body art or tattoos, and I do. I
448
00:26:37,910 --> 00:26:39,210
have a small red rose tattoo.
449
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,860
But you have to put me on the show to
find out where it is.
450
00:26:42,260 --> 00:26:43,440
It's under the bubble somewhere.
451
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,640
Oh, Kim, there's wet, wet woes. Where is
it?
452
00:26:58,540 --> 00:26:59,540
Big Tom knows.
453
00:27:03,950 --> 00:27:04,990
I kiss, but I don't tell.
454
00:27:06,030 --> 00:27:08,190
The question is, does Sandy know Big Tom
knows?
455
00:27:08,450 --> 00:27:09,790
Yeah, we talked about it last night.
456
00:27:10,850 --> 00:27:12,430
She's not too upset with me. Okay.
457
00:27:13,170 --> 00:27:14,089
Everything's all right.
458
00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:16,030
Go ahead. I'm sorry. Don't let me stop
you. I said no.
459
00:27:16,850 --> 00:27:19,990
She said you had to be on the show, so I
can't tell her about it.
460
00:27:20,430 --> 00:27:24,730
Okay. How conscious, when you're out
there, are you of how you're being
461
00:27:24,730 --> 00:27:25,730
portrayed?
462
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:29,310
I mean, is it an omnipresent thing, or
do you think about it just every now and
463
00:27:29,310 --> 00:27:30,310
then? Silas?
464
00:27:31,650 --> 00:27:33,550
Boy. An interesting question.
465
00:27:34,290 --> 00:27:38,710
You know, you're really not. You're out
there, at least from my point of view, I
466
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:41,950
was out there like Lex to play the game
and to win the game, like Teresa.
467
00:27:42,210 --> 00:27:45,790
I mean, there's only one winner, you
know, and you're out there to win. This
468
00:27:45,790 --> 00:27:46,790
isn't a team game.
469
00:27:46,890 --> 00:27:51,510
And I think that, you know, you do
different things to, you know, try to
470
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:54,590
alliance. Yeah, but when you say stuff,
do stuff. Are you aware of how it's
471
00:27:54,590 --> 00:27:57,810
being perceived back home and how it's
going to haunt you when you leave there?
472
00:27:58,250 --> 00:28:00,950
No. Cameras were on you 24 -7. I was
definitely aware.
473
00:28:01,170 --> 00:28:02,170
You were aware.
474
00:28:02,490 --> 00:28:03,490
I disagree.
475
00:28:03,950 --> 00:28:09,070
As long as we were, those cameras become
so normal that you forget that they are
476
00:28:09,070 --> 00:28:12,530
there. You totally forget that they're
there. And if you get real hungry, it
477
00:28:12,530 --> 00:28:13,830
don't matter. You don't need to eat.
478
00:28:15,210 --> 00:28:17,670
If you get really upset, it don't
matter.
479
00:28:18,830 --> 00:28:22,490
Brandon, you were aware of them, huh?
No, I wasn't. You were. I totally, after
480
00:28:22,490 --> 00:28:25,490
like the first three days, I totally
started forgetting that they were there.
481
00:28:26,990 --> 00:28:30,050
I would notice more when the still
photographer was around because his
482
00:28:30,050 --> 00:28:30,869
made a noise.
483
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:35,910
It made this clicking noise, and I'd
always jerk, and I would recognize that.
484
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:39,830
Yeah, I mean, you're there so long that
it's like second nature. But you weren't
485
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:40,950
there. You told me to make a statement.
486
00:28:41,270 --> 00:28:46,610
What was it? You know, I just hate 20
-something gay people on TV right now. I
487
00:28:46,610 --> 00:28:47,610
don't ever see myself.
488
00:28:48,150 --> 00:28:52,190
I see these really promiscuous people,
and I don't know. They're caught up in
489
00:28:52,190 --> 00:28:53,770
this whole party scene, and that's not
me.
490
00:28:54,540 --> 00:28:57,480
I don't know, I thought it would be nice
for somebody to see, you know, you can
491
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,000
be kind of flamboyant and have a good
time and, you know, go out and not be
492
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,660
of those people and caught up in that
lifestyle.
493
00:29:04,100 --> 00:29:08,540
I didn't succeed with proving that
point, but then I just looked like a
494
00:29:08,540 --> 00:29:09,640
bitch, but that's okay too.
495
00:29:25,179 --> 00:29:30,300
And Kelly, you said you went there
because you didn't want to be viewed as
496
00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:36,700
sexy one like Jerry or the sweet one
like Elizabeth or the dumb one like
497
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,000
I mean, you wanted to be viewed as the
smart one.
498
00:29:40,220 --> 00:29:42,980
No, it wasn't that I wanted to be viewed
as the smart one. I just...
499
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,900
I've done a lot of research on gender in
the media and the way women are
500
00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:48,900
portrayed, and oftentimes they fall into
one of two roles. Either the villain,
501
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,220
like Jerry kind of came off, or, you
know, the innocent ingenue like
502
00:29:53,740 --> 00:29:57,280
And my only goal was to play it like a
real person, to just go out there, use
503
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,240
whatever skills I had, which are few and
far between, and, you know, use my
504
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,840
intellect if I could, just hang around
and have a good time. Yeah.
505
00:30:04,420 --> 00:30:06,480
Lindsay, you were disappointed in how
you came off, right?
506
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,580
Yeah, I was a little. You know, I can't
say I was disappointed.
507
00:30:11,260 --> 00:30:15,100
At first it was a little hard to take
because, you know, I really didn't think
508
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:20,140
was mean or evil or did anything that
would come across as bad. But I
509
00:30:20,140 --> 00:30:23,920
had my moments out there. I was up and
down and all around. I was emotional. I
510
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,020
said things I shouldn't have.
511
00:30:25,460 --> 00:30:28,620
You know, it was shocking at first
because I made a lot of really good
512
00:30:28,620 --> 00:30:32,460
and I just didn't think that I could
ever be portrayed as being the villain.
513
00:30:32,860 --> 00:30:36,180
But, you know, I was emotional out there
and emotions can get the best of you
514
00:30:36,180 --> 00:30:37,900
and they got the best of me and, you
know.
515
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:40,289
Laugh at it.
516
00:30:40,290 --> 00:30:41,229
It's okay.
517
00:30:41,230 --> 00:30:43,030
It's all right. Just let it all out.
It's all right.
518
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:47,090
We started this section talking about a
tattoo. I'm going to finish talking
519
00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:48,670
about a tattoo. What's the fascination?
520
00:30:49,490 --> 00:30:53,610
God, I think much of the chagrin of my
mom and dad, I started wanting them when
521
00:30:53,610 --> 00:30:57,610
I was like five or six years old. And I
waited a while, but now I can't seem to
522
00:30:57,610 --> 00:30:58,609
stop. Yeah?
523
00:30:58,610 --> 00:31:02,450
And if River comes to you and says, Dad,
I want to get one. He can get one as
524
00:31:02,450 --> 00:31:03,450
soon as he's 18.
525
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,120
Oh, we have an age limit.
526
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:06,520
That's the law.
527
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:11,100
Okay. If I had gotten half of my tattoos
before I was 18, I'd probably be
528
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:15,580
covered with, you know, I'd have an Iron
Maiden rocker on my chest, and, you
529
00:31:15,580 --> 00:31:17,680
know, I'd have a bunch of stuff I
probably don't want.
530
00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:22,360
If I'd started at six. No, no, no, no.
531
00:31:23,420 --> 00:31:26,880
Captain Kangaroo, big Captain Kangaroo
on my chest. They look good. They look
532
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,020
good. Coming up, we're going to talk of
images and perceptions and how often
533
00:31:31,020 --> 00:31:32,440
both can be at odds with reality.
534
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,940
But first, Big Tom gets his big break.
Go ahead. Give us a sample. You gave us
535
00:31:36,940 --> 00:31:38,080
sample of Musical Talent Africa.
536
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,660
If you missed it, here he is with an
encore. Big Tom, the floor is yours.
537
00:31:42,380 --> 00:31:47,940
Oh, God. Oh, God. Hey, bartender, fix me
a potty. Oh, Big Tom, the lover's
538
00:31:47,940 --> 00:31:52,360
potty. Open the window, close the door.
Throw that curtain up. Bring me the bad
539
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:53,360
girl.
540
00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:06,460
In the gym, hours on the court,
cardiovascular,
541
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,400
pump and iron, all stay number one.
542
00:32:19,260 --> 00:32:26,220
You know what, stand up for a second. I
was
543
00:32:26,220 --> 00:32:29,300
telling her earlier, now I've done all
of these, you've got the best abs
544
00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:30,760
ever had on the show. Give us a shot.
545
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,040
Give us a shot.
546
00:32:41,340 --> 00:32:42,380
Kim's got better abs?
547
00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:43,700
Really?
548
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:44,880
Kim's better.
549
00:32:46,140 --> 00:32:48,600
Show them off, baby. That's all right.
Thank you.
550
00:32:49,620 --> 00:32:56,300
Look, before we proceed, let's do a
preview. Having tested competitors
551
00:32:56,300 --> 00:33:00,260
in the African wilderness, the
Australian outback, and the South China
552
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,640
Survivors on the move again, revving up
for a fourth season of surprises.
553
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,320
Jeff Probst has the first look at what
the next set of Survivors will face.
554
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,800
in a place both exotic and dangerous and
about as far from civilization as one
555
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:12,800
can get.
556
00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:23,020
Soon, 16 new strangers will be abandoned
in the middle of the most remote place
557
00:33:23,020 --> 00:33:27,620
on Earth, the Marquesas, part of
Tahiti's mystical islands in the South
558
00:33:27,980 --> 00:33:30,420
thousands of miles from the nearest
continent.
559
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:36,360
It is a place of rugged beauty, with
magnificent waterfalls, towering banyan
560
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:41,740
trees, and a backyard home to some of
the most exotic and dangerous sea life
561
00:33:41,740 --> 00:33:42,740
the world.
562
00:33:43,020 --> 00:33:48,480
This island, with a history steeped in
superstition and violence, will be their
563
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,900
home for 39 days.
564
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,960
And for the first time, these survivors
will be given no rations whatsoever.
565
00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:58,720
No food, no water, no fire.
566
00:33:59,140 --> 00:34:04,340
With only the barest of essentials, they
must fend for themselves, utilizing the
567
00:34:04,340 --> 00:34:05,560
resources of the land.
568
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,280
and their own survival skills.
569
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,860
It is a difficult but not impossible
task.
570
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,380
Everything they need to survive is on
the island.
571
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:20,159
Their success will depend upon their
ability to work together to create a new
572
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:23,639
society while battling the elements and
each other.
573
00:34:24,139 --> 00:34:26,060
It is the ultimate challenge.
574
00:34:26,580 --> 00:34:33,480
Outwit, outplay, outlaugh until only one
remains and emerges as the sole
575
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:34,480
survivor.
576
00:34:46,819 --> 00:34:48,620
Survivor Mark Hanson, give him a chance.
Who'd go?
577
00:34:49,020 --> 00:34:49,859
Oh, yeah.
578
00:34:49,860 --> 00:34:51,219
Come on. You'd do it all again?
579
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:53,460
They don't get their own food.
580
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,120
You'd do it all again?
581
00:34:57,690 --> 00:35:00,370
Let me ask you something. Does it help
to have watched before? I mean, I ask
582
00:35:00,370 --> 00:35:05,410
that because Brandon, Kelly, Linda,
arguably you three were the biggest
583
00:35:05,410 --> 00:35:06,730
fans of all going into this.
584
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:10,330
You see where we ended up. Well, that's
why I'm asking. How much does it help?
585
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:15,490
I don't think it does. I don't think it
helps at all. I don't think it helps
586
00:35:15,490 --> 00:35:16,490
that you got Brandon out there.
587
00:35:16,730 --> 00:35:20,230
No way. The least you know, the better.
I mean, I think that, you know, the
588
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:23,510
overplanning, the constant, like, you
know, racking your brain, like, what am
589
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:24,910
going to do? You know, building
strategies.
590
00:35:25,390 --> 00:35:26,390
It kills you.
591
00:35:26,670 --> 00:35:29,970
I mean, it totally kills you. I think
going into it just kind of relaxed and
592
00:35:29,970 --> 00:35:33,970
like, ah, whatever, you know, kind of
flying under the radar. I think that's
593
00:35:33,970 --> 00:35:36,330
pretty good. With all due respect, let
me hear from the front row on this.
594
00:35:37,530 --> 00:35:38,509
Does it help?
595
00:35:38,510 --> 00:35:42,590
I think it helps. I watched the other
survivors, not religiously, but I
596
00:35:42,590 --> 00:35:45,810
them, and it definitely helped me figure
out, you know, which way to go. Maybe
597
00:35:45,810 --> 00:35:47,670
you watched Rudy, right?
598
00:35:48,030 --> 00:35:50,970
And then you figured out just how to do
it correctly, right?
599
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:52,840
There's Rudy with us today.
600
00:35:53,060 --> 00:35:54,060
Nice seeing you, Rudy.
601
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,660
We're going to come on back in just a
little bit and close up here. First,
602
00:35:57,660 --> 00:36:01,380
take a break as our Survivor Africa
reunion continues live from Los Angeles.
603
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,360
And you and your band got a new
recording contract, yeah? That's right.
604
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,480
Lucky Dog, just got a record deal. How
tough is it going to be now to return to
605
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,800
normal life? Do you still get stopped at
the supermarket and everything else?
606
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,840
Yeah. It's wonderful. Really? You like
it? It's a blast. It's so much fun. I
607
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,020
mean, people still get so excited.
608
00:36:47,420 --> 00:36:49,280
It's just so much fun. If you're a
people person...
609
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,060
You know, a dream come true. If you're
not a people person, oh, it's a
610
00:36:53,060 --> 00:36:56,440
nightmare. And you made friends to last
a lifetime. Ethan, you have the first
611
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:57,440
word, you get the last.
612
00:36:57,940 --> 00:36:58,960
How are you going to spend the money?
613
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:04,040
Well, I owe my brothers probably about
27 years worth of birthday presents, so
614
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,680
think I'm going to start there.
615
00:37:06,020 --> 00:37:10,460
Yeah. But I'd like to, you know, I'd
like to do something good. Have a dream
616
00:37:10,460 --> 00:37:11,379
come true.
617
00:37:11,380 --> 00:37:14,620
Yeah, it's a dream come true.
Congratulations. Guys, congratulations
618
00:37:14,620 --> 00:37:17,900
you. Diane, Jesse, Carl, Linda, Silas,
Lindsay.
619
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:25,260
Clarence, T -Bird, Kim, Frank, Brandon,
Kelly, Big Tom, Lex, Kim J.,
620
00:37:25,260 --> 00:37:26,260
and Ethan.
621
00:37:26,420 --> 00:37:27,420
Congratulations, guys.
622
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,140
I'm Brian Gumbel. The tribe has spoken.
Good night.
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