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[sirens wailing]
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[dramatic music]
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♪♪
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RYAN:
The whole state and country
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was looking for her.
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I was chomping on the bone
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for every day
of every week of every month
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'cause I wanted to catch her.
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Well, I know,
but I'm not giving up either.
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I haven't caught her.
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But guess what... sometimes
they don't want to be caught.
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Oh, without a doubt,
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law enforcement
was under incredible pressure.
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The prison that let her go
was embarrassed by this.
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We didn't know
what she was gonna do.
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It's kind of like
a caged possum.
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If you push him in the corner,
they're gonna bite you.
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There was urgency
in finding her.
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[bell rings]
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RYAN: And then, you know,
all my bosses
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are talking to their bosses
and talking to their bosses
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out of Washington.
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I was informed
by my supervisor...
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He had been in communication
with America's Most Wanted.
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DIRECTOR:
Everyone ready?
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RYAN: That wasn't my call.
That was their call.
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But at that point,
I had nothing else to lose.
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Here comes
the roller coaster again.
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Good evening.
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Now, our first story tonight
is about "an artist."
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Everybody was at the TV
to watch the segment.
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JOHN WALSH: Some artists
can take a block of clay
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and manipulate it
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and mold it into anything
they can think of.
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She manipulates people
instead of clay.
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And I remember thinking,
that's not me.
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And even when she
was sent off to prison,
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she never stopped
working her craft.
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They don't have a clue.
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They don't know
who they're looking for.
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Everyone around her
was putty in her hands.
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♪♪
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REPORTER: Rockville
Correctional Facility,
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Rockville, Indiana...
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a place more than 1,000 women
call home.
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SARAH: Tom and I were
in a hotel room,
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and we watched what
America's Most Wanted aired.
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REPORTER: One of those women
was Sarah Pender.
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This is her entertaining
some of her fellow prisoners.
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The longer I watched
myself on TV...
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the worse it got.
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I mean, I'm not stupid.
I knew what they were doing.
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REPORTER: But behind
her angelic good looks
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and endearing persona,
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former Marion County
Deputy Prosecutor Larry Sells
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says Sarah Pender
is a woman to be feared.
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She has a Charles Manson-like
ability to manipulate people,
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to act as surrogates for
and committing crimes.
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All that stuff sort of ramped up
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um, the scrutiny
and the pressure
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and the fear of her.
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Not just in Indiana,
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but, obviously, since it's been
on America's Most Wanted,
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everyday, normal civilian people
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are gonna be looking out
for her.
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RYAN ON TV:
Sarah's a convicted murderer.
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She's a con.
She's a convict.
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She did con some cons
to help her.
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But since she's been out,
she's flushed them
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down the toilet as if she
flushed the two bodies
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in the back of a dumpster.
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But manipulation is a story.
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I hate to say it...
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♪♪
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But it's very common for a man
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to blame a woman
for their actions.
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Men will point the finger
and say,
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the woman made me do it.
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REPORTER:
Pender is like a chameleon.
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We know she's manipulative,
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and she probably
is already working her charms
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on someone new.
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Let's put Sarah Pender
back behind bars tonight.
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RYAN:
When America's Most Wanted
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uh, had got involved,
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um, it generated a ton of leads.
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You know, she's
at a truck stop right now
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in Nebraska.
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Or, she's in Oklahoma.
We saw her...
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You know, it's just like, tips
were all over the country...
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[siren wailing]
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From Minnesota, California,
Florida, Texas.
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I mean, there was no nexus
to these locations.
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So you couldn't let these tips
lay dormant.
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You had to go.
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So it was a trade-off,
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but I knew, though, that
it was not favorable for her.
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It just keeps on putting
the pressure
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on any movements
that she may be trying to make
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or not be able to make.
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Was I obsessed with the hunt?
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Uh...
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that's a... that's
kind of a crazy word to use.
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I guess I was a little obsessed.
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[keys clacking]
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SARAH: After
America's Most Wanted aired,
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friends that I turned to
whenever I needed help...
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now they were gone.
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Every moment was tainted
with knowing...
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that just a glance
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or someone that I'd been
in prison with
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or someone with a great memory
was gonna spot me.
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[faucet running]
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And of course, again,
I dyed my hair.
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♪♪
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And I bought colored contacts,
changed my eye color to hazel.
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♪♪
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I went to the eye doctor.
I bought glasses.
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I did not know how long
my relationship with Tom
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was going to last.
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♪♪
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I felt like it was important
for me to keep moving.
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So Tom had arranged
for me to stay
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with the niece
of a friend of his.
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And it just happened that...
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a friend of hers
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was looking for an estimator
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for a construction company
that his dad owned.
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And I got on the bus,
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and I just pretended
that everything was fine.
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[dramatic music]
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♪♪
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[indistinct chatter]
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RYAN:
A couple weeks later,
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I was literally ferreting
through a bunch of leads
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from all over the country that
were absolutely crazy leads.
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I mean, I had stacks
and stacks of stuff
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that came in
from America's Most Wanted.
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I'm like, I don't have time
to go through...
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I mean, these were just,
like, nutty people.
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But it's what it was.
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It was leads, but it was
just not very tangible leads.
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[telephones ringing]
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Then all of a sudden,
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I had a call from an
Internal Affairs investigator
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at Rockville.
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And he was my eyes and ears
internally in the prison.
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Now, in the
Department of Corrections...
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I wasn't aware of this...
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they have an email system set up
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to where anybody
can send messages
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to and from the offenders.
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They got an email.
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It was directed to this inmate.
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Her name was KP.
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She used to have
a relationship with Sarah.
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They thought that Sarah
may be trying to contact KP...
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using another offender's login.
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Is she gonna be that stupid
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to use a login of another person
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and try to communicate with
her former girlfriend inside?
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We couldn't ignore it.
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[indistinct chatter
over police radio]
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We surrounded the house
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where Pender was maybe using
this account.
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The America's Most Wanted crew
were there,
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with the anticipation of,
this could be it.
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This could be the one.
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We were ready to rock and roll
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with what we call
"shock and awe,"
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you know, waking people up.
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[banging on door]
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We got a search warrant.
Come on out.
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You know what this is about?
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PERSON:
No, I don't have a clue.
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RYAN: Right.
We're searching for the girl.
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PERSON: What girl?
RYAN: Sarah.
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It scared him to death
when they all came to the door.
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She's got 110 years
over her head.
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You don't.
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♪♪
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She could have been there.
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REPORTER: Unfortunately,
daybreak revealed.
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Pender was nowhere in sight.
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RYAN: It was truly an offender
reaching out to KP.
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Nothing more than that.
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Sarah had nothing
to do with that.
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The best thing now...
I'm gonna back up out of here,
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let the dust settle
for a couple days.
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No, no, no.
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I don't give a shit about what.
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America's Most Wanted
put with me.
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I didn't care
about what Walsh...
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They were doing
their Hollywood shit, okay?
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Did it keep the light on Pender?
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It kept the light on Pender.
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[distant siren wailing]
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SARAH:
Being on the run,
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I had no idea
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what I was really getting
myself into.
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[birds squawking]
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But Chicago was very convenient.
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I felt like I could blend in.
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♪♪
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Each day, I went to work,
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and I felt like a normal person.
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I would put my high heels
in my backpack,
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put on my tennis shoes...
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listening to the sound
of my footsteps
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on the pavement
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as I walked up to get lunch.
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I don't know if I ever forgot
that I was a fugitive,
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but there was not a time
that I did not enjoy
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experiencing new things.
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I met this guy on the corner
walking his two dogs
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and chatted him up about,
where did you get your dogs?
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And he had rescued them
from someplace.
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And it was just...
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it was the most normal,
beautiful thing.
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♪♪
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And I... and I thought,
this is real life.
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This is real life.
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♪♪
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Those are the times that...
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those are the times that being
a fugitive didn't matter.
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♪♪
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REPORTER: Pender is on the
15 Most Wanted Fugitive list.
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But she might not look
like this.
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Police say she has cut her hair,
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colored it multiple times,
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added a nose ring
and a tongue piercing.
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RYAN: They've got 15
they're profiling,
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and she's the only woman
on there.
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It's individuals
that the U.S. Marshals
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at the federal level feel
are the most dangerous people
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that they are actively hunting.
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SARAH:
It was really odd to see
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that I was on this top-15 list.
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♪♪
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I knew that I wasn't dangerous.
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I know that I'm not a threat
to the community.
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But they don't know that.
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RYAN:
I have strong belief
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that she hasn't left
the state of Indiana.
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If she has, it's just been
for a short stint.
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I'm real dangerous...
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with my charming smile.
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[laughing]
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I'm sorry.
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RYAN:
When Sarah was elevated
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to the U.S. Marshals
top-15 poster,
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with that came a $25,000 reward.
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And all that is, is to get
people to drop a dime on her.
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SARAH: I was hoping that
eventually the U.S. Marshals
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would just give up
and find something else to do,
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00:11:41,701 --> 00:11:43,470
more important.
259
00:11:43,494 --> 00:11:46,265
RYAN: She may think
she knows our capabilities.
260
00:11:46,289 --> 00:11:48,184
And she was good,
261
00:11:48,208 --> 00:11:50,835
but I wouldn't want to be her
right now.
262
00:11:55,673 --> 00:11:58,652
[somber music]
263
00:11:58,676 --> 00:12:05,683
♪♪
264
00:12:07,894 --> 00:12:12,249
BONNIE: I worried
about Sarah every day.
265
00:12:12,273 --> 00:12:14,627
I lost my daughter because...
266
00:12:14,651 --> 00:12:18,130
she has to be on the run.
267
00:12:18,154 --> 00:12:19,840
I don't know how to explain it.
268
00:12:19,864 --> 00:12:23,427
It... it messes
with your mind,
269
00:12:23,451 --> 00:12:28,015
you know,
to... to not know for sure
270
00:12:28,039 --> 00:12:30,017
what's around the corner.
271
00:12:30,041 --> 00:12:32,269
♪♪
272
00:12:32,293 --> 00:12:36,690
Thanksgiving...
it's a time of being thankful.
273
00:12:36,714 --> 00:12:39,401
Knowing that she
was still alive,
274
00:12:39,425 --> 00:12:41,487
I was thankful for that.
275
00:12:41,511 --> 00:12:43,781
♪♪
276
00:12:43,805 --> 00:12:47,201
But it's hard not to have
your family together
277
00:12:47,225 --> 00:12:49,203
sitting at the table.
278
00:12:49,227 --> 00:12:51,497
♪♪
279
00:12:51,521 --> 00:12:53,832
SARAH:
On Thanksgiving Day,
280
00:12:53,856 --> 00:12:58,420
Tom left to see his family.
281
00:12:58,444 --> 00:13:01,674
And so I walked down
282
00:13:01,698 --> 00:13:04,468
to the Denny's down the street
283
00:13:04,492 --> 00:13:07,054
and picked up a traditional
Thanksgiving meal
284
00:13:07,078 --> 00:13:09,139
with two pieces of pecan pie.
285
00:13:09,163 --> 00:13:11,642
♪♪
286
00:13:11,666 --> 00:13:14,019
Yeah, it was lonely.
287
00:13:14,043 --> 00:13:19,441
♪♪
288
00:13:19,465 --> 00:13:21,402
When I was sitting
in my apartment,
289
00:13:21,426 --> 00:13:24,655
I had bought a guitar...
290
00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,907
just a cheap acoustic guitar.
291
00:13:26,931 --> 00:13:30,452
And I had to go in my room
to play it
292
00:13:30,476 --> 00:13:32,830
because I was afraid
that my next-door neighbor
293
00:13:32,854 --> 00:13:35,290
would hear me playing
and singing.
294
00:13:35,314 --> 00:13:37,876
And that was one of the things
that they had put
295
00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:39,503
on America's Most Wanted...
296
00:13:39,527 --> 00:13:44,341
is that I liked to sing
and play guitar.
297
00:13:44,365 --> 00:13:47,886
And I thought,
I have to hide this.
298
00:13:47,910 --> 00:13:49,888
I have to hide this part of me.
299
00:13:49,912 --> 00:13:51,890
♪♪
300
00:13:51,914 --> 00:13:54,101
I couldn't be myself
301
00:13:54,125 --> 00:13:57,271
because then I would be
too much like Sarah Pender.
302
00:13:57,295 --> 00:13:59,690
♪♪
303
00:13:59,714 --> 00:14:02,693
It was emotionally exhausting.
304
00:14:02,717 --> 00:14:05,404
♪♪
305
00:14:05,428 --> 00:14:08,490
I just wanted to resume
my normal life.
306
00:14:08,514 --> 00:14:10,492
♪♪
307
00:14:10,516 --> 00:14:12,494
REPORTER ON TV: Investigators
say Sarah Pender
308
00:14:12,518 --> 00:14:15,080
is on the loose and dangerous.
309
00:14:15,104 --> 00:14:17,833
OFFICER ON TV: We received
numerous tips and calls,
310
00:14:17,857 --> 00:14:20,753
but here lately,
they have since dried up,
311
00:14:20,777 --> 00:14:21,920
and we're not...
312
00:14:21,944 --> 00:14:23,338
RYAN:
Wanted fugitives...
313
00:14:23,362 --> 00:14:26,050
they're usually on the run
for days, maybe weeks.
314
00:14:26,074 --> 00:14:28,677
Very rarely are they months.
315
00:14:28,701 --> 00:14:31,055
When I was hunting Sarah,
though, she was...
316
00:14:31,079 --> 00:14:33,974
she was all-encompassing
in my mind,
317
00:14:33,998 --> 00:14:36,894
from when I went to sleep
until I woke up.
318
00:14:36,918 --> 00:14:38,312
And a lot of times,
319
00:14:38,336 --> 00:14:40,522
I'm watching TV
with my... my daughter
320
00:14:40,546 --> 00:14:41,899
or my son or my wife...
321
00:14:41,923 --> 00:14:44,777
[cell phone vibrating]
And my phone would ring.
322
00:14:44,801 --> 00:14:47,321
I mean,
from state police detectives,
323
00:14:47,345 --> 00:14:50,824
Internal Affairs
to America's Most Wanted...
324
00:14:50,848 --> 00:14:54,328
they were all trying to get
information to me.
325
00:14:54,352 --> 00:14:55,746
Every lead I went to,
326
00:14:55,770 --> 00:14:57,956
everything I went
and checked out,
327
00:14:57,980 --> 00:15:01,960
you have hope, and you have...
you have "what if."
328
00:15:01,984 --> 00:15:04,046
[door opens, closes]
329
00:15:04,070 --> 00:15:06,381
I was gone all... all the time.
330
00:15:06,405 --> 00:15:08,967
And I was coming up
empty-handed.
331
00:15:08,991 --> 00:15:11,053
[dramatic music]
332
00:15:11,077 --> 00:15:14,598
And then I fell down
the deep hole of... of...
333
00:15:14,622 --> 00:15:17,601
I-I started drinking too much.
334
00:15:17,625 --> 00:15:20,354
[ice cubes clinking lightly]
335
00:15:20,378 --> 00:15:22,356
I would decompress
in the evening
336
00:15:22,380 --> 00:15:23,774
with Absolut Vodka
337
00:15:23,798 --> 00:15:25,943
and wake up with a headache
in the morning.
338
00:15:25,967 --> 00:15:27,986
♪♪
339
00:15:28,010 --> 00:15:32,157
I suffered, chasing her ass
for four, five months.
340
00:15:32,181 --> 00:15:35,619
♪♪
341
00:15:35,643 --> 00:15:38,413
Yeah, I take ownership,
I wasn't around.
342
00:15:38,437 --> 00:15:41,774
So... that's all I want to say
about my personal life.
343
00:15:49,031 --> 00:15:53,637
The fear is not
about returning to prison,
344
00:15:53,661 --> 00:15:58,267
because I know what prison is.
345
00:15:58,291 --> 00:16:01,436
♪♪
346
00:16:01,460 --> 00:16:03,188
The fear
347
00:16:03,212 --> 00:16:06,817
was that I would lose
my freedom,
348
00:16:06,841 --> 00:16:10,445
not that I would go
back to prison.
349
00:16:10,469 --> 00:16:13,991
One thing is punishment,
350
00:16:14,015 --> 00:16:16,201
and the other one is loss.
351
00:16:16,225 --> 00:16:18,620
♪♪
352
00:16:18,644 --> 00:16:20,831
I had started packing my things
353
00:16:20,855 --> 00:16:23,667
because I was moving
in a couple of days
354
00:16:23,691 --> 00:16:25,669
to a new apartment.
355
00:16:25,693 --> 00:16:28,130
♪♪
356
00:16:28,154 --> 00:16:32,467
It kept me on the move
to avoid detection.
357
00:16:32,491 --> 00:16:35,679
♪♪
358
00:16:35,703 --> 00:16:37,181
And then...
359
00:16:37,205 --> 00:16:40,601
[banging on door]
360
00:16:40,625 --> 00:16:43,437
It was a loud knock.
It's 11:00 at night.
361
00:16:43,461 --> 00:16:46,690
And he says, maintenance.
362
00:16:46,714 --> 00:16:48,859
And I shuffled
across the parquet floor
363
00:16:48,883 --> 00:16:50,676
in my little pink slippers.
364
00:16:52,595 --> 00:16:54,990
And I remember
looking out the peephole.
365
00:16:55,014 --> 00:16:58,452
♪♪
366
00:16:58,476 --> 00:17:03,207
And I see
these four strapping men.
367
00:17:03,231 --> 00:17:06,543
I think a couple
of them had on, you know,
368
00:17:06,567 --> 00:17:09,129
bulletproof vests.
369
00:17:09,153 --> 00:17:11,298
My initial reaction is,
370
00:17:11,322 --> 00:17:14,259
grab my go bag, go out the back.
371
00:17:14,283 --> 00:17:16,511
There was a back stairwell...
372
00:17:16,535 --> 00:17:18,305
my escape route.
373
00:17:18,329 --> 00:17:21,308
♪♪
374
00:17:21,332 --> 00:17:22,935
And I paused.
375
00:17:22,959 --> 00:17:25,145
♪♪
376
00:17:25,169 --> 00:17:28,565
This was it.
You got me.
377
00:17:28,589 --> 00:17:30,484
The universe let me
out of prison,
378
00:17:30,508 --> 00:17:32,486
and now the universe
is telling me
379
00:17:32,510 --> 00:17:34,071
it's time to go back.
380
00:17:34,095 --> 00:17:37,074
And I opened up the door.
381
00:17:37,098 --> 00:17:39,409
I said, let me get my shoes.
382
00:17:39,433 --> 00:17:41,828
[siren whoops]
383
00:17:41,852 --> 00:17:44,873
[indistinct chatter
over police radio]
384
00:17:44,897 --> 00:17:49,169
♪♪
385
00:17:49,193 --> 00:17:53,632
And here are four men
escorting me
386
00:17:53,656 --> 00:17:56,343
out of the building
in handcuffs...
387
00:17:56,367 --> 00:17:58,011
[distant siren wailing]
388
00:17:58,035 --> 00:18:01,640
Just walking to the car...
389
00:18:01,664 --> 00:18:06,061
like nothing else is different
in the world.
390
00:18:06,085 --> 00:18:08,296
[siren whoops]
391
00:18:13,050 --> 00:18:16,446
[dramatic music]
392
00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:22,327
♪♪
393
00:18:22,351 --> 00:18:24,329
RYAN:
I-I remember I was in the car
394
00:18:24,353 --> 00:18:27,791
driving with my family,
going to see my in-laws.
395
00:18:27,815 --> 00:18:30,002
And I got a phone call
saying that Pender
396
00:18:30,026 --> 00:18:33,612
was apprehended in Chicago
by an anonymous tipster.
397
00:18:35,197 --> 00:18:38,176
That's how I found out.
Merry Christmas.
398
00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,555
December 2008.
399
00:18:41,579 --> 00:18:43,390
Would it have been nice
to be the one to track her out
400
00:18:43,414 --> 00:18:44,808
and put the cuffs on her?
401
00:18:44,832 --> 00:18:46,393
Yeah, but guess what.
402
00:18:46,417 --> 00:18:50,564
She didn't outwit us.
She was put back in the cage.
403
00:18:50,588 --> 00:18:53,275
And I turned my family around.
I went to Chicago.
404
00:18:53,299 --> 00:18:58,947
♪♪
405
00:18:58,971 --> 00:19:00,907
When I finally got
to meet Sarah,
406
00:19:00,931 --> 00:19:03,577
the first thing she said...
she goes, you know what?
407
00:19:03,601 --> 00:19:07,080
You're much better-looking
in person.
408
00:19:07,104 --> 00:19:09,624
He didn't strike me
409
00:19:09,648 --> 00:19:12,419
as someone particularly special.
410
00:19:12,443 --> 00:19:15,047
♪♪
411
00:19:15,071 --> 00:19:17,632
Basically,
Ryan had been obsessed
412
00:19:17,656 --> 00:19:21,803
with finding me for four months.
413
00:19:21,827 --> 00:19:25,265
Ryan talked to me
like I knew him,
414
00:19:25,289 --> 00:19:28,185
like he knew me.
415
00:19:28,209 --> 00:19:29,603
RYAN:
There was a relief.
416
00:19:29,627 --> 00:19:33,398
She was happy to see me.
I was happy to see her.
417
00:19:33,422 --> 00:19:35,484
Because she's tired of running.
She told me she was tired.
418
00:19:35,508 --> 00:19:37,402
She wasn't the only fugitive
that I've caught
419
00:19:37,426 --> 00:19:39,029
that was stuck...
You know, I'm tired of running.
420
00:19:39,053 --> 00:19:42,199
I'm tired of looking
behind my back.
421
00:19:42,223 --> 00:19:44,201
[scoffs]
422
00:19:44,225 --> 00:19:47,537
♪♪
423
00:19:47,561 --> 00:19:50,457
Ryan Harmon knows me
424
00:19:50,481 --> 00:19:54,670
as much as you know me.
425
00:19:54,694 --> 00:19:56,463
RYAN:
And we got in the car
426
00:19:56,487 --> 00:19:58,882
to take her
back to Indianapolis.
427
00:19:58,906 --> 00:20:04,680
♪♪
428
00:20:04,704 --> 00:20:06,682
We had U.S. Marshals
undercover
429
00:20:06,706 --> 00:20:09,184
following us out of Chicago.
430
00:20:09,208 --> 00:20:10,769
I was in the back seat with her,
431
00:20:10,793 --> 00:20:12,646
and I put a digital recorder
in my pocket.
432
00:20:12,670 --> 00:20:14,856
I hadn't known... I didn't know
anything about who helped her
433
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,465
while she was on the run.
434
00:20:31,313 --> 00:20:33,291
RYAN: That's when she
first divulged to me
435
00:20:33,315 --> 00:20:35,293
her friend Thea
had introduced her to a guy
436
00:20:35,317 --> 00:20:36,944
by the name of Tom Welch.
437
00:20:52,752 --> 00:20:55,021
RYAN: He's the one
that sent her to Cincinnati
438
00:20:55,045 --> 00:20:57,023
and back to Chicago
and gave her a phone
439
00:20:57,047 --> 00:20:58,984
and gave her money and...
440
00:20:59,008 --> 00:21:02,487
All for getting your nuts off.
441
00:21:02,511 --> 00:21:05,782
But, man, I didn't expect
to hear what I heard.
442
00:21:05,806 --> 00:21:08,702
And I was so goddamn close
to getting her.
443
00:21:08,726 --> 00:21:10,495
If he hadn't entered
the picture,
444
00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:12,164
I mean, she was choked.
445
00:21:12,188 --> 00:21:13,957
[siren wailing]
REPORTER: Law enforcement pull
446
00:21:13,981 --> 00:21:15,459
into the Indiana Women's Prison
447
00:21:15,483 --> 00:21:16,960
in this maroon Taurus,
448
00:21:16,984 --> 00:21:19,045
Sarah Pender
in the left back seat.
449
00:21:19,069 --> 00:21:22,466
Pender now with red hair,
wearing a Purdue sweatshirt.
450
00:21:22,490 --> 00:21:25,218
They escort her
inside the prison.
451
00:21:25,242 --> 00:21:27,554
News everywhere
outside the prison.
452
00:21:27,578 --> 00:21:30,348
I mean, it was... I walked
into a guillotine of, like, a...
453
00:21:30,372 --> 00:21:31,975
It was crazy.
454
00:21:31,999 --> 00:21:34,519
REPORTER: Sarah,
how's it feel to get caught?
455
00:21:34,543 --> 00:21:36,480
RYAN:
And then...
456
00:21:36,504 --> 00:21:43,487
♪♪
457
00:21:43,511 --> 00:21:47,532
[voice breaking]
I gave my life for that hunt.
458
00:21:47,556 --> 00:21:50,243
But I lost a lot.
459
00:21:50,267 --> 00:21:52,746
[normal voice] I lost
my marriage, my children,
460
00:21:52,770 --> 00:21:54,581
right after this capture.
461
00:21:54,605 --> 00:21:58,168
I didn't know...
that was gonna happen.
462
00:21:58,192 --> 00:22:00,086
It didn't surprise me
when it happened,
463
00:22:00,110 --> 00:22:01,588
but it happened.
464
00:22:01,612 --> 00:22:02,964
Because of her?
465
00:22:02,988 --> 00:22:04,800
[sighs]
466
00:22:04,824 --> 00:22:08,220
Big question there.
467
00:22:08,244 --> 00:22:10,037
Was it worth it?
468
00:22:12,623 --> 00:22:14,250
I don't know.
469
00:22:54,290 --> 00:22:55,976
RYAN:
She's on the run.
470
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,019
She's a U.S. Marshals
top-15 fugitive.
471
00:22:58,043 --> 00:23:00,021
And you're carrying
on a relationship
472
00:23:00,045 --> 00:23:02,006
like you picked her up
off of Tinder.
473
00:23:21,066 --> 00:23:23,336
RYAN: He told me his story
with an attorney present
474
00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:24,462
because the prosecutor
475
00:23:24,486 --> 00:23:26,089
agreed to give him
a proffer statement,
476
00:23:26,113 --> 00:23:27,882
which means you give him
a clean-up statement,
477
00:23:27,906 --> 00:23:29,092
won't prosecute you.
478
00:23:29,116 --> 00:23:31,094
Well, I listened
to what he had to tell me.
479
00:23:31,118 --> 00:23:32,679
He should get 24 years.
480
00:23:32,703 --> 00:23:39,603
♪♪
481
00:23:39,627 --> 00:23:42,981
SARAH:
When I was returned to prison,
482
00:23:43,005 --> 00:23:45,066
they told me
that I was sentenced
483
00:23:45,090 --> 00:23:47,611
to one year
in solitary confinement.
484
00:23:47,635 --> 00:23:49,946
♪♪
485
00:23:49,970 --> 00:23:52,282
WILLARD: That was
an administrative move,
486
00:23:52,306 --> 00:23:55,327
which certainly
we have that latitude,
487
00:23:55,351 --> 00:23:58,455
if we feel like somebody's
still a danger
488
00:23:58,479 --> 00:24:03,126
to other inmates, to the...
whatever.
489
00:24:03,150 --> 00:24:07,255
If they're a danger,
we'll keep them locked up.
490
00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:11,676
I was told by officers,
by staff,
491
00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:13,720
you embarrassed
the Department of Corrections.
492
00:24:13,744 --> 00:24:16,389
Therefore, they're gonna keep
you in solitary confinement.
493
00:24:16,413 --> 00:24:18,391
[cell door closes]
494
00:24:18,415 --> 00:24:21,061
♪♪
495
00:24:21,085 --> 00:24:23,897
Solitary confinement is cold...
496
00:24:23,921 --> 00:24:27,359
nothing but steel and concrete.
497
00:24:27,383 --> 00:24:30,487
There's a concrete slab
with a thin mat
498
00:24:30,511 --> 00:24:33,114
with a steel toilet
and a steel sink.
499
00:24:33,138 --> 00:24:35,116
♪♪
500
00:24:35,140 --> 00:24:37,702
And that is it.
501
00:24:37,726 --> 00:24:41,581
All you have is your mind,
and it just ravages you.
502
00:24:41,605 --> 00:24:45,418
You think about all
the things that I had done,
503
00:24:45,442 --> 00:24:48,838
all the things that I didn't do.
504
00:24:48,862 --> 00:24:51,925
It just eats... eats at you
in this cycle,
505
00:24:51,949 --> 00:24:55,970
and... and you can't get it
to shut up.
506
00:24:55,994 --> 00:24:58,390
♪♪
507
00:24:58,414 --> 00:25:02,519
[indistinct chatter]
508
00:25:02,543 --> 00:25:04,729
In my mind,
I thought I was getting out
509
00:25:04,753 --> 00:25:07,273
at the end of the year.
510
00:25:07,297 --> 00:25:10,485
But I was told
that I would not be released.
511
00:25:10,509 --> 00:25:13,738
And when they told me
it was indefinite...
512
00:25:13,762 --> 00:25:17,242
♪♪
513
00:25:17,266 --> 00:25:21,371
My mind started...
514
00:25:21,395 --> 00:25:23,581
like, winding down almost.
515
00:25:23,605 --> 00:25:28,795
♪♪
516
00:25:28,819 --> 00:25:30,588
So I was sitting on the floor,
517
00:25:30,612 --> 00:25:34,217
and I was trying
to play solitaire.
518
00:25:34,241 --> 00:25:36,845
♪♪
519
00:25:36,869 --> 00:25:40,598
But the numbers didn't make
any sense to me.
520
00:25:40,622 --> 00:25:47,564
♪♪
521
00:25:47,588 --> 00:25:52,402
I see things, but I don't know.
522
00:25:52,426 --> 00:25:54,404
Something is happening.
Something is happening.
523
00:25:54,428 --> 00:25:56,489
I don't know what's happening.
524
00:25:56,513 --> 00:25:59,993
Something is happening to me,
literally in my mind.
525
00:26:00,017 --> 00:26:02,036
♪♪
526
00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:04,205
And I'm just ripping apart.
527
00:26:04,229 --> 00:26:07,625
And just this part of me
just floats away.
528
00:26:07,649 --> 00:26:12,464
♪♪
529
00:26:12,488 --> 00:26:14,424
And then nothing.
530
00:26:14,448 --> 00:26:19,054
I have no thoughts.
I have no feelings, nothing.
531
00:26:19,078 --> 00:26:20,847
It was just...
532
00:26:20,871 --> 00:26:23,183
[imitates soft whirring]
Like white noise.
533
00:26:23,207 --> 00:26:25,602
♪♪
534
00:26:25,626 --> 00:26:28,813
Whenever I would think about...
535
00:26:28,837 --> 00:26:30,607
the future...
536
00:26:30,631 --> 00:26:34,819
♪♪
537
00:26:34,843 --> 00:26:36,821
I couldn't see it.
538
00:26:36,845 --> 00:26:41,242
♪♪
539
00:26:41,266 --> 00:26:43,453
And there was
just this darkness.
540
00:26:43,477 --> 00:26:45,455
There was this abyss.
541
00:26:45,479 --> 00:26:49,501
♪♪
542
00:26:49,525 --> 00:26:52,086
I just kept sliding.
543
00:26:52,110 --> 00:26:53,880
And I was afraid.
544
00:26:53,904 --> 00:26:56,132
I was very afraid
to lose my mind.
545
00:26:56,156 --> 00:26:59,910
♪♪
546
00:27:04,623 --> 00:27:07,560
[dramatic music]
547
00:27:07,584 --> 00:27:12,482
♪♪
548
00:27:12,506 --> 00:27:14,067
BONNIE:
I knew.
549
00:27:14,091 --> 00:27:18,071
I knew that it was taking
its toll on her.
550
00:27:18,095 --> 00:27:20,073
But I didn't know
how to help her.
551
00:27:20,097 --> 00:27:21,658
I didn't know what to say.
552
00:27:21,682 --> 00:27:24,285
I didn't know, you know,
where to go.
553
00:27:24,309 --> 00:27:25,912
What... what do I do?
554
00:27:25,936 --> 00:27:28,665
[telephone rings]
555
00:27:28,689 --> 00:27:31,125
It was close to Mother's Day.
556
00:27:31,149 --> 00:27:35,404
And I get a phone call
around 8:00 in the evening.
557
00:27:37,364 --> 00:27:41,427
It was Larry Sells,
the prosecutor.
558
00:27:41,451 --> 00:27:43,972
And he says, Bonnie...
559
00:27:43,996 --> 00:27:46,933
I've done 72 murder cases,
560
00:27:46,957 --> 00:27:50,103
and one was a mistake,
and that was Sarah.
561
00:27:50,127 --> 00:27:51,938
LARRY:
And she started crying.
562
00:27:51,962 --> 00:27:54,107
I said, Bonnie...
563
00:27:54,131 --> 00:27:57,151
you may not believe this...
564
00:27:57,175 --> 00:28:00,697
but it's my opinion,
based upon what I know now,
565
00:28:00,721 --> 00:28:05,535
that your daughter Sarah
did not receive a fair trial.
566
00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:08,329
After Sarah was rearrested,
567
00:28:08,353 --> 00:28:11,374
an author by the name
of Steven Miller
568
00:28:11,398 --> 00:28:14,085
decided he's gonna write
a book on the case.
569
00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:16,379
So he asked me if I'd go
570
00:28:16,403 --> 00:28:20,383
to Homicide Department with him
571
00:28:20,407 --> 00:28:24,596
to help him look
at the Homicide file.
572
00:28:24,620 --> 00:28:27,015
So I got it out,
and we were going through it.
573
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:31,477
And I recollected most
of the stuff that was there.
574
00:28:31,501 --> 00:28:36,691
But there was a file there
that said "Floyd Pennington."
575
00:28:36,715 --> 00:28:39,152
He testified against Sarah,
576
00:28:39,176 --> 00:28:41,946
that she admitted to him
that she got Rick Hull
577
00:28:41,970 --> 00:28:44,157
to commit these murders.
578
00:28:44,181 --> 00:28:45,742
And inside the file,
579
00:28:45,766 --> 00:28:50,163
there were two legal-size
sheets of paper.
580
00:28:50,187 --> 00:28:52,999
And I saw what it was.
581
00:28:53,023 --> 00:28:56,628
I said, oh, shit.
582
00:28:56,652 --> 00:28:59,881
There was a whole list
of violent criminals,
583
00:28:59,905 --> 00:29:03,217
drug dealers, criminal gangs,
584
00:29:03,241 --> 00:29:05,678
and even somebody
named Pennington...
585
00:29:05,702 --> 00:29:08,890
a relative of Floyd's...
that was there.
586
00:29:08,914 --> 00:29:10,850
I called it a snitch list.
587
00:29:10,874 --> 00:29:12,518
And it was a list of people
588
00:29:12,542 --> 00:29:16,397
that he would turn in
to get a better deal.
589
00:29:16,421 --> 00:29:19,901
It was like a rat
crawled up out of the sewer
590
00:29:19,925 --> 00:29:23,279
to try to gain some advantage
for himself
591
00:29:23,303 --> 00:29:26,199
and convince me
that he was telling the truth
592
00:29:26,223 --> 00:29:27,408
about Sarah Pender,
593
00:29:27,432 --> 00:29:29,702
maybe because
I wanted to be convinced.
594
00:29:29,726 --> 00:29:31,788
♪♪
595
00:29:31,812 --> 00:29:33,665
I should have had that.
596
00:29:33,689 --> 00:29:37,794
I don't know
why they didn't give it to me.
597
00:29:37,818 --> 00:29:40,296
But it made me realize
598
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,966
that there was more
to the Sarah Pender case.
599
00:29:42,990 --> 00:29:46,010
♪♪
600
00:29:46,034 --> 00:29:47,845
VIC:
In 2013,
601
00:29:47,869 --> 00:29:50,473
when I was a reporter
for the Indianapolis Star...
602
00:29:50,497 --> 00:29:53,935
and Larry had called me
and said,
603
00:29:53,959 --> 00:29:57,647
look, I have some problems,
um, with this case.
604
00:29:57,671 --> 00:29:59,524
I need to tell you about them.
605
00:29:59,548 --> 00:30:02,443
One thing that,
especially after the trial,
606
00:30:02,467 --> 00:30:04,237
years after the trial,
607
00:30:04,261 --> 00:30:06,030
I recognized was something
608
00:30:06,054 --> 00:30:08,032
that should have been considered
609
00:30:08,056 --> 00:30:10,243
even more
than it was at the time...
610
00:30:10,267 --> 00:30:11,995
[pen scratching]
611
00:30:12,019 --> 00:30:15,498
Was the letter identified
as being written by Sarah
612
00:30:15,522 --> 00:30:17,709
where she confessed
to the murders.
613
00:30:17,733 --> 00:30:20,169
♪♪
614
00:30:20,193 --> 00:30:22,505
BONNIE:
I knew in my heart
615
00:30:22,529 --> 00:30:25,883
that she didn't write
this letter.
616
00:30:25,907 --> 00:30:28,302
And I thought, there's no way.
617
00:30:28,326 --> 00:30:31,472
What... you know,
where'd you come up with this?
618
00:30:31,496 --> 00:30:34,517
I had five handwriting experts
619
00:30:34,541 --> 00:30:37,687
that all said the same thing...
620
00:30:37,711 --> 00:30:42,483
that she did not write
that letter.
621
00:30:42,507 --> 00:30:45,278
VIC: The circumstances
around how that letter
622
00:30:45,302 --> 00:30:47,071
was delivered to prosecutors
623
00:30:47,095 --> 00:30:49,407
was always a little bit suspect.
624
00:30:49,431 --> 00:30:52,827
It was not found by the guards.
625
00:30:52,851 --> 00:30:57,707
It was handed over
by Rick and his attorney.
626
00:30:57,731 --> 00:30:59,751
♪♪
627
00:30:59,775 --> 00:31:03,546
LARRY: Rick Hull...
he had had a cellmate
628
00:31:03,570 --> 00:31:06,090
by the name of Steve Logan.
629
00:31:06,114 --> 00:31:10,261
Rick asked him,
I want you to do me a favor.
630
00:31:10,285 --> 00:31:15,016
Rick gave him letters Sarah
had written in the beginning,
631
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,895
and Steve copied
her handwriting.
632
00:31:18,919 --> 00:31:23,316
LARRY: Steven Logan
had made an affidavit
633
00:31:23,340 --> 00:31:27,528
admitting that he wrote
that confession letter.
634
00:31:27,552 --> 00:31:32,241
Rick Hull had him write it,
made him write it.
635
00:31:32,265 --> 00:31:35,912
There was a letter...
636
00:31:35,936 --> 00:31:39,791
that was used at the trial
that, uh...
637
00:31:39,815 --> 00:31:41,793
♪♪
638
00:31:41,817 --> 00:31:43,961
Was manufactured.
639
00:31:43,985 --> 00:31:47,381
You know, I didn't write it.
640
00:31:47,405 --> 00:31:49,967
Uh, somebody else did.
641
00:31:49,991 --> 00:31:52,804
-So that, uh...
-I mean, that just...
642
00:31:52,828 --> 00:31:54,305
[clicks tongue]
643
00:31:54,329 --> 00:31:58,935
Hit me like a...
you know, a load of bricks.
644
00:31:58,959 --> 00:32:00,686
This is what happened.
645
00:32:00,710 --> 00:32:04,565
I allowed myself to be set up
both for Pennington
646
00:32:04,589 --> 00:32:08,361
and the phony letter.
647
00:32:08,385 --> 00:32:09,779
VIC:
The prosecutor
648
00:32:09,803 --> 00:32:12,573
who called this woman
"female Charles Manson,"
649
00:32:12,597 --> 00:32:15,368
is now saying, I was wrong.
650
00:32:15,392 --> 00:32:16,661
She's not that.
651
00:32:16,685 --> 00:32:19,497
REPORTER: If you had
had this at trial,
652
00:32:19,521 --> 00:32:22,667
would you have prosecuted
Sarah for murder?
653
00:32:22,691 --> 00:32:24,627
Absolutely not.
654
00:32:24,651 --> 00:32:26,420
REPORTER:
Larry Sells is working
655
00:32:26,444 --> 00:32:29,340
with Pender's new attorney
to present the evidence
656
00:32:29,364 --> 00:32:31,634
to the Marion County
Prosecutor's Office.
657
00:32:31,658 --> 00:32:33,845
Pender's attorney
is still waiting to meet
658
00:32:33,869 --> 00:32:36,639
with Prosecutor Curry's office
about the case.
659
00:32:36,663 --> 00:32:43,628
♪♪
660
00:32:46,423 --> 00:32:50,218
SARAH: I had been in solitary
for over five years.
661
00:32:52,012 --> 00:32:54,824
And when they told me
662
00:32:54,848 --> 00:32:58,202
they were going to let me out
into the transitional unit
663
00:32:58,226 --> 00:33:02,123
and they were going to put me
on close observation,
664
00:33:02,147 --> 00:33:04,250
it felt really good
just to hear them say,
665
00:33:04,274 --> 00:33:06,460
well, we're gonna try
letting you out.
666
00:33:06,484 --> 00:33:08,462
♪♪
667
00:33:08,486 --> 00:33:11,007
I know that Larry Sells
found new evidence
668
00:33:11,031 --> 00:33:15,219
that changed his mind
about my case.
669
00:33:15,243 --> 00:33:17,680
And...
670
00:33:17,704 --> 00:33:21,225
I believed
that I was gonna go home.
671
00:33:21,249 --> 00:33:26,022
I always believed
that if you had new evidence
672
00:33:26,046 --> 00:33:30,026
to prove, you know,
your innocence
673
00:33:30,050 --> 00:33:34,655
that that was what you do,
and they fix it.
674
00:33:34,679 --> 00:33:38,242
Now we have something
that the authorities will...
675
00:33:38,266 --> 00:33:41,078
you know,
will pay attention to on it.
676
00:33:41,102 --> 00:33:42,663
I just knew I was going home.
677
00:33:42,687 --> 00:33:44,498
I knew it would take
some months,
678
00:33:44,522 --> 00:33:47,585
but I just knew
I was going home and...
679
00:33:47,609 --> 00:33:50,504
being so happy
and imagining all these things
680
00:33:50,528 --> 00:33:52,656
that I wanted to do
with my family.
681
00:34:05,502 --> 00:34:10,274
♪♪
682
00:34:10,298 --> 00:34:14,278
By the time
that I received the "no"...
683
00:34:14,302 --> 00:34:18,491
♪♪
684
00:34:18,515 --> 00:34:23,037
I had grown enough
to know that...
685
00:34:23,061 --> 00:34:25,957
[voice breaking] That it would
absolutely devastate my parents
686
00:34:25,981 --> 00:34:27,875
if I killed myself.
687
00:34:27,899 --> 00:34:34,882
♪♪
688
00:34:34,906 --> 00:34:38,344
[sniffles]
689
00:34:38,368 --> 00:34:40,763
And I have not told people that.
690
00:34:40,787 --> 00:34:43,975
[chuckles tearfully,
exhales deeply]
691
00:34:43,999 --> 00:34:47,937
But I also know that it's
my only shot at freedom.
692
00:34:47,961 --> 00:34:49,939
[sniffles]
693
00:34:49,963 --> 00:34:52,757
♪♪
694
00:34:57,345 --> 00:34:59,615
[distant siren wailing]
695
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:02,618
[dramatic music]
696
00:35:02,642 --> 00:35:04,829
♪♪
697
00:35:04,853 --> 00:35:07,164
MARTIN: I know what it's like
to be in prison
698
00:35:07,188 --> 00:35:08,791
where you don't belong.
699
00:35:08,815 --> 00:35:12,878
And who better to represent
somebody like Sarah than me?
700
00:35:12,902 --> 00:35:16,757
JUDGE: How do you find as to
the defendant, Martin Tankleff,
701
00:35:16,781 --> 00:35:18,175
murder, second degree?
702
00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:19,510
JURY FOREPERSON:
Guilty.
703
00:35:19,534 --> 00:35:21,012
[people scream]
704
00:35:21,036 --> 00:35:23,139
MARTIN: I was in prison
for almost 18 years
705
00:35:23,163 --> 00:35:24,473
until I was exonerated.
706
00:35:24,497 --> 00:35:27,226
And when I got out,
I made a conscious decision
707
00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:30,771
to go on to law school
and represent people
708
00:35:30,795 --> 00:35:33,149
who I believe
were wrongfully convicted
709
00:35:33,173 --> 00:35:35,318
or people who were abused
by the system.
710
00:35:35,342 --> 00:35:38,321
And I really think Sarah fits
into both those categories.
711
00:35:38,345 --> 00:35:42,825
♪♪
712
00:35:42,849 --> 00:35:45,369
TIMOTHY: Even with
the evidence out there,
713
00:35:45,393 --> 00:35:47,580
unfortunately,
there's no possibility
714
00:35:47,604 --> 00:35:50,333
of just exonerating Sarah.
715
00:35:50,357 --> 00:35:53,252
The track we're on
is asking for mercy...
716
00:35:53,276 --> 00:35:54,545
BAILIFF:
Now in session.
717
00:35:54,569 --> 00:35:56,839
The Honorable James K. Snyder,
Judge, presiding.
718
00:35:56,863 --> 00:35:58,215
-All right, be seated.
-Good morning.
719
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,344
TIMOTHY: Because to put her
in solitary confinement
720
00:36:01,368 --> 00:36:04,221
for five uninterrupted years
721
00:36:04,245 --> 00:36:08,851
so outstrips the crimes
she committed.
722
00:36:08,875 --> 00:36:11,020
And I believe that the sum of it
723
00:36:11,044 --> 00:36:15,191
lends itself
toward modifying the sentence.
724
00:36:15,215 --> 00:36:17,610
We're gonna try
to convince the judge
725
00:36:17,634 --> 00:36:21,030
that I'm worth letting go.
726
00:36:21,054 --> 00:36:23,574
JAMES: The state of Indiana
versus Sarah Pender...
727
00:36:23,598 --> 00:36:25,618
shows she is present
and by counsels,
728
00:36:25,642 --> 00:36:27,411
and the state is here
by Mr. Cicchini.
729
00:36:27,435 --> 00:36:28,662
DANIEL:
Yes, Your Honor.
730
00:36:28,686 --> 00:36:30,873
Judge, we are here
for a modification hearing,
731
00:36:30,897 --> 00:36:33,876
but that is because
of the brutal murders
732
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:37,129
of Tricia Nordman and
Andrew Cataldi 25 years ago.
733
00:36:37,153 --> 00:36:39,465
Their lives were cut short
at young ages,
734
00:36:39,489 --> 00:36:42,468
and as evidenced by the letters
that their family members
735
00:36:42,492 --> 00:36:44,095
submitted to the court today,
736
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:46,263
they continue to grieve
their losses,
737
00:36:46,287 --> 00:36:48,682
and it continues to impact
their lives on a daily basis.
738
00:36:48,706 --> 00:36:50,684
And there has been
a great deal of scrutiny
739
00:36:50,708 --> 00:36:52,645
about Ms. Pender's role
in the crime
740
00:36:52,669 --> 00:36:55,356
and... and what she did
or did not do.
741
00:36:55,380 --> 00:36:57,942
Well, we're not here
to relitigate that, Judge.
742
00:36:57,966 --> 00:37:00,528
Uh, we have to recognize that
the prosecutor on the case,
743
00:37:00,552 --> 00:37:03,864
who sought and obtained
the 110-year executed sentence
744
00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:05,866
has recently changed his opinion
745
00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:07,868
about both the veracity
of that conviction,
746
00:37:07,892 --> 00:37:10,663
as well as the justness
of that sentence.
747
00:37:10,687 --> 00:37:13,290
And that is leaving the court
with the difficult task
748
00:37:13,314 --> 00:37:15,334
of what to do
with Ms. Pender's sentence,
749
00:37:15,358 --> 00:37:16,877
to hand down a just decision
in this matter.
750
00:37:16,901 --> 00:37:17,962
Thank you.
751
00:37:17,986 --> 00:37:19,797
JAMES:
It is the defense motion,
752
00:37:19,821 --> 00:37:22,258
so I'll hear any witnesses and
evidence you have to present.
753
00:37:22,282 --> 00:37:24,844
ATTORNEY: Defense calls
Roland Pender, Your Honor.
754
00:37:24,868 --> 00:37:27,263
Has she matured since
she's been in prison?
755
00:37:27,287 --> 00:37:28,889
Oh, very much, yes.
756
00:37:28,913 --> 00:37:31,142
Very much, she's matured.
She, uh...
757
00:37:31,166 --> 00:37:35,271
I, uh...
I-I-I seek advice from Sarah.
758
00:37:35,295 --> 00:37:37,273
BONNIE: [voice breaking]
You can't make up
759
00:37:37,297 --> 00:37:38,691
for time lost.
760
00:37:38,715 --> 00:37:41,694
And I've lost 25 birthdays,
761
00:37:41,718 --> 00:37:46,031
25 Christmases, 25 everything.
762
00:37:46,055 --> 00:37:49,285
I pray that I can have
763
00:37:49,309 --> 00:37:53,706
the rest of my life
with my daughter,
764
00:37:53,730 --> 00:37:55,875
to hug her every morning.
765
00:37:55,899 --> 00:38:00,087
[voice breaking] Today is one
of the biggest days of my life
766
00:38:00,111 --> 00:38:02,965
because I'm asking
for the chance to be free
767
00:38:02,989 --> 00:38:05,134
and to not die in prison.
768
00:38:05,158 --> 00:38:09,346
I know that I deserve to be
punished for what I did wrong
769
00:38:09,370 --> 00:38:12,183
and for what I did not do right.
770
00:38:12,207 --> 00:38:14,727
To Drew and Tricia's families...
771
00:38:14,751 --> 00:38:18,147
[crying] I want to tell them
that I am so sorry
772
00:38:18,171 --> 00:38:21,525
for the terrible loss
that you've suffered
773
00:38:21,549 --> 00:38:24,320
and for the role
that I played in it.
774
00:38:24,344 --> 00:38:27,531
I have paid
for it 10 times over,
775
00:38:27,555 --> 00:38:30,159
with 25 years in prison
776
00:38:30,183 --> 00:38:34,187
and 5 years, a month,
and 12 days in isolation.
777
00:38:35,814 --> 00:38:39,835
But, Your Honor, today
I'm asking for your mercy.
778
00:38:39,859 --> 00:38:41,587
And if you grant my petition,
779
00:38:41,611 --> 00:38:44,215
I promise that you
will never see me again.
780
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,176
I want to go home
and keep working to make myself
781
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,804
and the world a better place.
782
00:38:49,828 --> 00:38:51,347
Thank you.
[sniffles]
783
00:38:51,371 --> 00:38:53,599
JAMES:
Thank you, Ms. Pender.
784
00:38:53,623 --> 00:38:55,476
TIMOTHY:
She has reformed.
785
00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:58,646
And if you strip away
that reformation,
786
00:38:58,670 --> 00:39:02,024
all that we have left
is vindictive justice.
787
00:39:02,048 --> 00:39:03,776
Now, our petition, Your Honor,
788
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,196
is to trim count two to run
concurrent with count one
789
00:39:07,220 --> 00:39:10,991
such that Sarah is eligible
for immediate release.
790
00:39:11,015 --> 00:39:12,326
Thank you, Your Honor.
791
00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:14,203
JAMES: All right.
Thank you, Mr. Delaney.
792
00:39:14,227 --> 00:39:16,205
Uh, so what I am going to do...
793
00:39:16,229 --> 00:39:19,416
uh, first, I'm going to hold
this under advisement.
794
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,252
I want time to, uh...
795
00:39:21,276 --> 00:39:23,587
to contemplate this decision,
all right?
796
00:39:23,611 --> 00:39:27,299
So thank you all
for your advocacy here today.
797
00:39:27,323 --> 00:39:28,467
Uh, and I'll have...
798
00:39:28,491 --> 00:39:30,427
like I said, I'll have
my ruling in due course.
799
00:39:30,451 --> 00:39:32,263
-TIMOTHY: Thank you, Your Honor.
-All right.
800
00:39:32,287 --> 00:39:34,265
Thank you all very much.
SARAH: Thank you, sir.
801
00:39:34,289 --> 00:39:41,254
♪♪
802
00:39:46,634 --> 00:39:49,613
BONNIE: I have a room
waiting for Sarah.
803
00:39:49,637 --> 00:39:52,866
It's all ready for her.
804
00:39:52,890 --> 00:39:55,661
I'm hoping that...
805
00:39:55,685 --> 00:39:58,831
that she can actually see
the outside...
806
00:39:58,855 --> 00:40:01,375
♪♪
807
00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:03,919
And...
808
00:40:03,943 --> 00:40:06,255
enjoy what life she has left.
809
00:40:06,279 --> 00:40:12,493
♪♪
810
00:40:20,877 --> 00:40:23,272
[sniffles]
811
00:40:23,296 --> 00:40:26,883
I really have a hard time
thinking about that.
812
00:40:29,093 --> 00:40:31,655
I know that...
813
00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:33,657
it would kill her.
814
00:40:33,681 --> 00:40:35,951
It really would.
815
00:40:35,975 --> 00:40:38,287
And...
816
00:40:38,311 --> 00:40:42,124
she might not make it.
817
00:40:42,148 --> 00:40:44,335
♪♪
818
00:40:44,359 --> 00:40:47,504
When I think of freedom,
I think of all the tiny choices
819
00:40:47,528 --> 00:40:50,007
that I want to make...
820
00:40:50,031 --> 00:40:53,135
whether I want to leave
the toilet seat up or down,
821
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:55,346
whether I want
a hot or cold shower,
822
00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:57,348
all these things that
I haven't been able to choose
823
00:40:57,372 --> 00:40:59,016
over the last 25 years.
824
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,894
Freedom means autonomy,
825
00:41:01,918 --> 00:41:05,606
but mostly it just means being
with the people that I love.
826
00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:08,901
♪♪
827
00:41:08,925 --> 00:41:11,487
DIRECTOR:
Good.
828
00:41:11,511 --> 00:41:14,365
[sniffles]
829
00:41:14,389 --> 00:41:17,725
♪♪59662
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