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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,959 --> 00:00:03,938 [sirens wailing] 2 00:00:03,962 --> 00:00:06,941 [dramatic music] 3 00:00:06,965 --> 00:00:12,363 ♪♪ 4 00:00:12,387 --> 00:00:14,657 RYAN: The whole state and country 5 00:00:14,681 --> 00:00:16,451 was looking for her. 6 00:00:16,475 --> 00:00:18,036 I was chomping on the bone 7 00:00:18,060 --> 00:00:20,246 for every day of every week of every month 8 00:00:20,270 --> 00:00:21,939 'cause I wanted to catch her. 9 00:00:23,732 --> 00:00:25,919 Well, I know, but I'm not giving up either. 10 00:00:25,943 --> 00:00:27,253 I haven't caught her. 11 00:00:27,277 --> 00:00:29,005 But guess what... sometimes they don't want to be caught. 12 00:00:29,029 --> 00:00:30,298 Oh, without a doubt, 13 00:00:30,322 --> 00:00:32,675 law enforcement was under incredible pressure. 14 00:00:32,699 --> 00:00:37,222 The prison that let her go was embarrassed by this. 15 00:00:37,246 --> 00:00:39,307 We didn't know what she was gonna do. 16 00:00:39,331 --> 00:00:41,100 It's kind of like a caged possum. 17 00:00:41,124 --> 00:00:43,520 If you push him in the corner, they're gonna bite you. 18 00:00:43,544 --> 00:00:47,065 There was urgency in finding her. 19 00:00:47,089 --> 00:00:49,192 [bell rings] 20 00:00:49,216 --> 00:00:51,861 RYAN: And then, you know, all my bosses 21 00:00:51,885 --> 00:00:54,072 are talking to their bosses and talking to their bosses 22 00:00:54,096 --> 00:00:55,490 out of Washington. 23 00:00:55,514 --> 00:00:57,742 I was informed by my supervisor... 24 00:00:57,766 --> 00:01:00,161 He had been in communication with America's Most Wanted. 25 00:01:00,185 --> 00:01:01,537 DIRECTOR: Everyone ready? 26 00:01:01,561 --> 00:01:03,331 RYAN: That wasn't my call. That was their call. 27 00:01:03,355 --> 00:01:05,208 But at that point, I had nothing else to lose. 28 00:01:05,232 --> 00:01:07,043 Here comes the roller coaster again. 29 00:01:07,067 --> 00:01:08,503 Good evening. 30 00:01:08,527 --> 00:01:12,048 Now, our first story tonight is about "an artist." 31 00:01:12,072 --> 00:01:15,260 Everybody was at the TV to watch the segment. 32 00:01:15,284 --> 00:01:17,470 JOHN WALSH: Some artists can take a block of clay 33 00:01:17,494 --> 00:01:18,805 and manipulate it 34 00:01:18,829 --> 00:01:21,432 and mold it into anything they can think of. 35 00:01:21,456 --> 00:01:24,394 She manipulates people instead of clay. 36 00:01:24,418 --> 00:01:27,730 And I remember thinking, that's not me. 37 00:01:27,754 --> 00:01:30,275 And even when she was sent off to prison, 38 00:01:30,299 --> 00:01:32,568 she never stopped working her craft. 39 00:01:32,592 --> 00:01:34,112 They don't have a clue. 40 00:01:34,136 --> 00:01:36,030 They don't know who they're looking for. 41 00:01:36,054 --> 00:01:39,516 Everyone around her was putty in her hands. 42 00:01:47,024 --> 00:01:49,377 ♪♪ 43 00:01:49,401 --> 00:01:51,421 REPORTER: Rockville Correctional Facility, 44 00:01:51,445 --> 00:01:55,383 Rockville, Indiana... 45 00:01:55,407 --> 00:01:58,761 a place more than 1,000 women call home. 46 00:01:58,785 --> 00:02:01,806 SARAH: Tom and I were in a hotel room, 47 00:02:01,830 --> 00:02:06,686 and we watched what America's Most Wanted aired. 48 00:02:06,710 --> 00:02:09,147 REPORTER: One of those women was Sarah Pender. 49 00:02:09,171 --> 00:02:12,775 This is her entertaining some of her fellow prisoners. 50 00:02:12,799 --> 00:02:17,155 The longer I watched myself on TV... 51 00:02:17,179 --> 00:02:19,115 the worse it got. 52 00:02:19,139 --> 00:02:23,786 I mean, I'm not stupid. I knew what they were doing. 53 00:02:23,810 --> 00:02:26,372 REPORTER: But behind her angelic good looks 54 00:02:26,396 --> 00:02:28,333 and endearing persona, 55 00:02:28,357 --> 00:02:31,878 former Marion County Deputy Prosecutor Larry Sells 56 00:02:31,902 --> 00:02:34,881 says Sarah Pender is a woman to be feared. 57 00:02:34,905 --> 00:02:39,636 She has a Charles Manson-like ability to manipulate people, 58 00:02:39,660 --> 00:02:43,455 to act as surrogates for and committing crimes. 59 00:02:52,756 --> 00:02:55,610 All that stuff sort of ramped up 60 00:02:55,634 --> 00:02:58,404 um, the scrutiny and the pressure 61 00:02:58,428 --> 00:03:00,281 and the fear of her. 62 00:03:00,305 --> 00:03:02,200 Not just in Indiana, 63 00:03:02,224 --> 00:03:05,536 but, obviously, since it's been on America's Most Wanted, 64 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,082 everyday, normal civilian people 65 00:03:09,106 --> 00:03:11,250 are gonna be looking out for her. 66 00:03:11,274 --> 00:03:13,086 RYAN ON TV: Sarah's a convicted murderer. 67 00:03:13,110 --> 00:03:15,088 She's a con. She's a convict. 68 00:03:15,112 --> 00:03:17,423 She did con some cons to help her. 69 00:03:17,447 --> 00:03:19,509 But since she's been out, she's flushed them 70 00:03:19,533 --> 00:03:21,678 down the toilet as if she flushed the two bodies 71 00:03:21,702 --> 00:03:23,513 in the back of a dumpster. 72 00:03:23,537 --> 00:03:26,265 But manipulation is a story. 73 00:03:26,289 --> 00:03:28,101 I hate to say it... 74 00:03:28,125 --> 00:03:30,228 ♪♪ 75 00:03:30,252 --> 00:03:33,648 But it's very common for a man 76 00:03:33,672 --> 00:03:37,443 to blame a woman for their actions. 77 00:03:37,467 --> 00:03:40,071 Men will point the finger and say, 78 00:03:40,095 --> 00:03:42,824 the woman made me do it. 79 00:03:42,848 --> 00:03:45,076 REPORTER: Pender is like a chameleon. 80 00:03:45,100 --> 00:03:46,869 We know she's manipulative, 81 00:03:46,893 --> 00:03:50,081 and she probably is already working her charms 82 00:03:50,105 --> 00:03:52,125 on someone new. 83 00:03:52,149 --> 00:03:55,294 Let's put Sarah Pender back behind bars tonight. 84 00:03:55,318 --> 00:03:57,296 RYAN: When America's Most Wanted 85 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:58,923 uh, had got involved, 86 00:03:58,947 --> 00:04:02,510 um, it generated a ton of leads. 87 00:04:02,534 --> 00:04:04,512 You know, she's at a truck stop right now 88 00:04:04,536 --> 00:04:05,721 in Nebraska. 89 00:04:05,745 --> 00:04:07,723 Or, she's in Oklahoma. We saw her... 90 00:04:07,747 --> 00:04:10,184 You know, it's just like, tips were all over the country... 91 00:04:10,208 --> 00:04:11,894 [siren wailing] 92 00:04:11,918 --> 00:04:15,148 From Minnesota, California, Florida, Texas. 93 00:04:15,172 --> 00:04:17,733 I mean, there was no nexus to these locations. 94 00:04:17,757 --> 00:04:20,903 So you couldn't let these tips lay dormant. 95 00:04:20,927 --> 00:04:22,697 You had to go. 96 00:04:22,721 --> 00:04:24,490 So it was a trade-off, 97 00:04:24,514 --> 00:04:28,411 but I knew, though, that it was not favorable for her. 98 00:04:28,435 --> 00:04:30,496 It just keeps on putting the pressure 99 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,957 on any movements that she may be trying to make 100 00:04:32,981 --> 00:04:35,084 or not be able to make. 101 00:04:35,108 --> 00:04:37,170 Was I obsessed with the hunt? 102 00:04:37,194 --> 00:04:39,172 Uh... 103 00:04:39,196 --> 00:04:42,967 that's a... that's kind of a crazy word to use. 104 00:04:42,991 --> 00:04:45,762 I guess I was a little obsessed. 105 00:04:45,786 --> 00:04:49,766 [keys clacking] 106 00:04:49,790 --> 00:04:53,227 SARAH: After America's Most Wanted aired, 107 00:04:53,251 --> 00:04:56,522 friends that I turned to whenever I needed help... 108 00:04:56,546 --> 00:04:59,317 now they were gone. 109 00:04:59,341 --> 00:05:04,155 Every moment was tainted with knowing... 110 00:05:04,179 --> 00:05:06,324 that just a glance 111 00:05:06,348 --> 00:05:10,077 or someone that I'd been in prison with 112 00:05:10,101 --> 00:05:13,498 or someone with a great memory was gonna spot me. 113 00:05:13,522 --> 00:05:16,292 [faucet running] 114 00:05:16,316 --> 00:05:20,004 And of course, again, I dyed my hair. 115 00:05:20,028 --> 00:05:22,006 ♪♪ 116 00:05:22,030 --> 00:05:26,594 And I bought colored contacts, changed my eye color to hazel. 117 00:05:26,618 --> 00:05:29,055 ♪♪ 118 00:05:29,079 --> 00:05:33,392 I went to the eye doctor. I bought glasses. 119 00:05:33,416 --> 00:05:36,354 I did not know how long my relationship with Tom 120 00:05:36,378 --> 00:05:38,189 was going to last. 121 00:05:38,213 --> 00:05:40,316 ♪♪ 122 00:05:40,340 --> 00:05:45,238 I felt like it was important for me to keep moving. 123 00:05:45,262 --> 00:05:47,198 So Tom had arranged for me to stay 124 00:05:47,222 --> 00:05:49,116 with the niece of a friend of his. 125 00:05:49,140 --> 00:05:52,370 And it just happened that... 126 00:05:52,394 --> 00:05:54,789 a friend of hers 127 00:05:54,813 --> 00:05:57,625 was looking for an estimator 128 00:05:57,649 --> 00:06:01,087 for a construction company that his dad owned. 129 00:06:01,111 --> 00:06:03,089 And I got on the bus, 130 00:06:03,113 --> 00:06:07,617 and I just pretended that everything was fine. 131 00:06:10,370 --> 00:06:12,974 [dramatic music] 132 00:06:12,998 --> 00:06:19,689 ♪♪ 133 00:06:19,713 --> 00:06:22,400 [indistinct chatter] 134 00:06:22,424 --> 00:06:24,235 RYAN: A couple weeks later, 135 00:06:24,259 --> 00:06:27,029 I was literally ferreting through a bunch of leads 136 00:06:27,053 --> 00:06:31,617 from all over the country that were absolutely crazy leads. 137 00:06:31,641 --> 00:06:33,619 I mean, I had stacks and stacks of stuff 138 00:06:33,643 --> 00:06:35,621 that came in from America's Most Wanted. 139 00:06:35,645 --> 00:06:37,665 I'm like, I don't have time to go through... 140 00:06:37,689 --> 00:06:39,500 I mean, these were just, like, nutty people. 141 00:06:39,524 --> 00:06:40,918 But it's what it was. 142 00:06:40,942 --> 00:06:43,546 It was leads, but it was just not very tangible leads. 143 00:06:43,570 --> 00:06:46,465 [telephones ringing] 144 00:06:46,489 --> 00:06:47,925 Then all of a sudden, 145 00:06:47,949 --> 00:06:49,844 I had a call from an Internal Affairs investigator 146 00:06:49,868 --> 00:06:51,137 at Rockville. 147 00:06:51,161 --> 00:06:55,308 And he was my eyes and ears internally in the prison. 148 00:06:55,332 --> 00:06:57,101 Now, in the Department of Corrections... 149 00:06:57,125 --> 00:06:58,269 I wasn't aware of this... 150 00:06:58,293 --> 00:07:00,062 they have an email system set up 151 00:07:00,086 --> 00:07:01,856 to where anybody can send messages 152 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:03,858 to and from the offenders. 153 00:07:03,882 --> 00:07:05,276 They got an email. 154 00:07:05,300 --> 00:07:08,279 It was directed to this inmate. 155 00:07:08,303 --> 00:07:09,822 Her name was KP. 156 00:07:09,846 --> 00:07:13,576 She used to have a relationship with Sarah. 157 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,913 They thought that Sarah may be trying to contact KP... 158 00:07:17,937 --> 00:07:22,084 using another offender's login. 159 00:07:22,108 --> 00:07:23,711 Is she gonna be that stupid 160 00:07:23,735 --> 00:07:25,504 to use a login of another person 161 00:07:25,528 --> 00:07:28,466 and try to communicate with her former girlfriend inside? 162 00:07:28,490 --> 00:07:30,343 We couldn't ignore it. 163 00:07:30,367 --> 00:07:32,803 [indistinct chatter over police radio] 164 00:07:32,827 --> 00:07:34,138 We surrounded the house 165 00:07:34,162 --> 00:07:38,017 where Pender was maybe using this account. 166 00:07:38,041 --> 00:07:39,935 The America's Most Wanted crew were there, 167 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:42,480 with the anticipation of, this could be it. 168 00:07:42,504 --> 00:07:44,315 This could be the one. 169 00:07:44,339 --> 00:07:46,442 We were ready to rock and roll 170 00:07:46,466 --> 00:07:48,486 with what we call "shock and awe," 171 00:07:48,510 --> 00:07:49,945 you know, waking people up. 172 00:07:49,969 --> 00:07:51,072 [banging on door] 173 00:07:51,096 --> 00:07:52,698 We got a search warrant. Come on out. 174 00:07:52,722 --> 00:07:53,699 You know what this is about? 175 00:07:53,723 --> 00:07:54,909 PERSON: No, I don't have a clue. 176 00:07:54,933 --> 00:07:56,327 RYAN: Right. We're searching for the girl. 177 00:07:56,351 --> 00:07:57,787 PERSON: What girl? RYAN: Sarah. 178 00:07:57,811 --> 00:08:00,331 It scared him to death when they all came to the door. 179 00:08:00,355 --> 00:08:02,667 She's got 110 years over her head. 180 00:08:02,691 --> 00:08:03,668 You don't. 181 00:08:03,692 --> 00:08:05,670 ♪♪ 182 00:08:05,694 --> 00:08:07,755 She could have been there. 183 00:08:07,779 --> 00:08:09,965 REPORTER: Unfortunately, daybreak revealed. 184 00:08:09,989 --> 00:08:11,676 Pender was nowhere in sight. 185 00:08:11,700 --> 00:08:15,554 RYAN: It was truly an offender reaching out to KP. 186 00:08:15,578 --> 00:08:17,181 Nothing more than that. 187 00:08:17,205 --> 00:08:19,183 Sarah had nothing to do with that. 188 00:08:19,207 --> 00:08:21,894 The best thing now... I'm gonna back up out of here, 189 00:08:21,918 --> 00:08:24,170 let the dust settle for a couple days. 190 00:08:28,967 --> 00:08:31,654 No, no, no. 191 00:08:31,678 --> 00:08:32,947 I don't give a shit about what. 192 00:08:32,971 --> 00:08:34,740 America's Most Wanted put with me. 193 00:08:34,764 --> 00:08:36,367 I didn't care about what Walsh... 194 00:08:36,391 --> 00:08:38,369 They were doing their Hollywood shit, okay? 195 00:08:38,393 --> 00:08:40,162 Did it keep the light on Pender? 196 00:08:40,186 --> 00:08:42,206 It kept the light on Pender. 197 00:08:42,230 --> 00:08:49,237 ♪♪ 198 00:08:51,030 --> 00:08:54,593 [distant siren wailing] 199 00:08:54,617 --> 00:08:56,804 SARAH: Being on the run, 200 00:08:56,828 --> 00:08:58,806 I had no idea 201 00:08:58,830 --> 00:09:01,392 what I was really getting myself into. 202 00:09:01,416 --> 00:09:02,685 [birds squawking] 203 00:09:02,709 --> 00:09:06,379 But Chicago was very convenient. 204 00:09:08,214 --> 00:09:10,192 I felt like I could blend in. 205 00:09:10,216 --> 00:09:13,988 ♪♪ 206 00:09:14,012 --> 00:09:16,198 Each day, I went to work, 207 00:09:16,222 --> 00:09:18,808 and I felt like a normal person. 208 00:09:20,643 --> 00:09:24,206 I would put my high heels in my backpack, 209 00:09:24,230 --> 00:09:26,834 put on my tennis shoes... 210 00:09:26,858 --> 00:09:29,253 listening to the sound of my footsteps 211 00:09:29,277 --> 00:09:30,755 on the pavement 212 00:09:30,779 --> 00:09:33,799 as I walked up to get lunch. 213 00:09:33,823 --> 00:09:36,635 I don't know if I ever forgot that I was a fugitive, 214 00:09:36,659 --> 00:09:41,056 but there was not a time that I did not enjoy 215 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,143 experiencing new things. 216 00:09:44,167 --> 00:09:48,230 I met this guy on the corner walking his two dogs 217 00:09:48,254 --> 00:09:52,610 and chatted him up about, where did you get your dogs? 218 00:09:52,634 --> 00:09:55,404 And he had rescued them from someplace. 219 00:09:55,428 --> 00:09:56,822 And it was just... 220 00:09:56,846 --> 00:09:59,909 it was the most normal, beautiful thing. 221 00:09:59,933 --> 00:10:05,748 ♪♪ 222 00:10:05,772 --> 00:10:09,668 And I... and I thought, this is real life. 223 00:10:09,692 --> 00:10:11,504 This is real life. 224 00:10:11,528 --> 00:10:14,131 ♪♪ 225 00:10:14,155 --> 00:10:17,468 Those are the times that... 226 00:10:17,492 --> 00:10:22,181 those are the times that being a fugitive didn't matter. 227 00:10:22,205 --> 00:10:29,146 ♪♪ 228 00:10:29,170 --> 00:10:32,233 REPORTER: Pender is on the 15 Most Wanted Fugitive list. 229 00:10:32,257 --> 00:10:34,360 But she might not look like this. 230 00:10:34,384 --> 00:10:36,195 Police say she has cut her hair, 231 00:10:36,219 --> 00:10:37,863 colored it multiple times, 232 00:10:37,887 --> 00:10:40,324 added a nose ring and a tongue piercing. 233 00:10:40,348 --> 00:10:42,409 RYAN: They've got 15 they're profiling, 234 00:10:42,433 --> 00:10:43,828 and she's the only woman on there. 235 00:10:43,852 --> 00:10:46,080 It's individuals that the U.S. Marshals 236 00:10:46,104 --> 00:10:48,541 at the federal level feel are the most dangerous people 237 00:10:48,565 --> 00:10:50,209 that they are actively hunting. 238 00:10:50,233 --> 00:10:53,754 ♪♪ 239 00:10:53,778 --> 00:10:56,590 SARAH: It was really odd to see 240 00:10:56,614 --> 00:10:59,343 that I was on this top-15 list. 241 00:10:59,367 --> 00:11:01,345 ♪♪ 242 00:11:01,369 --> 00:11:03,889 I knew that I wasn't dangerous. 243 00:11:03,913 --> 00:11:06,767 I know that I'm not a threat to the community. 244 00:11:06,791 --> 00:11:08,561 But they don't know that. 245 00:11:08,585 --> 00:11:10,062 RYAN: I have strong belief 246 00:11:10,086 --> 00:11:12,314 that she hasn't left the state of Indiana. 247 00:11:12,338 --> 00:11:15,568 If she has, it's just been for a short stint. 248 00:11:15,592 --> 00:11:19,113 I'm real dangerous... 249 00:11:19,137 --> 00:11:21,699 with my charming smile. 250 00:11:21,723 --> 00:11:24,326 [laughing] 251 00:11:24,350 --> 00:11:27,121 I'm sorry. 252 00:11:27,145 --> 00:11:28,539 RYAN: When Sarah was elevated 253 00:11:28,563 --> 00:11:30,583 to the U.S. Marshals top-15 poster, 254 00:11:30,607 --> 00:11:33,168 with that came a $25,000 reward. 255 00:11:33,192 --> 00:11:36,380 And all that is, is to get people to drop a dime on her. 256 00:11:36,404 --> 00:11:38,966 SARAH: I was hoping that eventually the U.S. Marshals 257 00:11:38,990 --> 00:11:41,677 would just give up and find something else to do, 258 00:11:41,701 --> 00:11:43,470 more important. 259 00:11:43,494 --> 00:11:46,265 RYAN: She may think she knows our capabilities. 260 00:11:46,289 --> 00:11:48,184 And she was good, 261 00:11:48,208 --> 00:11:50,835 but I wouldn't want to be her right now. 262 00:11:55,673 --> 00:11:58,652 [somber music] 263 00:11:58,676 --> 00:12:05,683 ♪♪ 264 00:12:07,894 --> 00:12:12,249 BONNIE: I worried about Sarah every day. 265 00:12:12,273 --> 00:12:14,627 I lost my daughter because... 266 00:12:14,651 --> 00:12:18,130 she has to be on the run. 267 00:12:18,154 --> 00:12:19,840 I don't know how to explain it. 268 00:12:19,864 --> 00:12:23,427 It... it messes with your mind, 269 00:12:23,451 --> 00:12:28,015 you know, to... to not know for sure 270 00:12:28,039 --> 00:12:30,017 what's around the corner. 271 00:12:30,041 --> 00:12:32,269 ♪♪ 272 00:12:32,293 --> 00:12:36,690 Thanksgiving... it's a time of being thankful. 273 00:12:36,714 --> 00:12:39,401 Knowing that she was still alive, 274 00:12:39,425 --> 00:12:41,487 I was thankful for that. 275 00:12:41,511 --> 00:12:43,781 ♪♪ 276 00:12:43,805 --> 00:12:47,201 But it's hard not to have your family together 277 00:12:47,225 --> 00:12:49,203 sitting at the table. 278 00:12:49,227 --> 00:12:51,497 ♪♪ 279 00:12:51,521 --> 00:12:53,832 SARAH: On Thanksgiving Day, 280 00:12:53,856 --> 00:12:58,420 Tom left to see his family. 281 00:12:58,444 --> 00:13:01,674 And so I walked down 282 00:13:01,698 --> 00:13:04,468 to the Denny's down the street 283 00:13:04,492 --> 00:13:07,054 and picked up a traditional Thanksgiving meal 284 00:13:07,078 --> 00:13:09,139 with two pieces of pecan pie. 285 00:13:09,163 --> 00:13:11,642 ♪♪ 286 00:13:11,666 --> 00:13:14,019 Yeah, it was lonely. 287 00:13:14,043 --> 00:13:19,441 ♪♪ 288 00:13:19,465 --> 00:13:21,402 When I was sitting in my apartment, 289 00:13:21,426 --> 00:13:24,655 I had bought a guitar... 290 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,907 just a cheap acoustic guitar. 291 00:13:26,931 --> 00:13:30,452 And I had to go in my room to play it 292 00:13:30,476 --> 00:13:32,830 because I was afraid that my next-door neighbor 293 00:13:32,854 --> 00:13:35,290 would hear me playing and singing. 294 00:13:35,314 --> 00:13:37,876 And that was one of the things that they had put 295 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:39,503 on America's Most Wanted... 296 00:13:39,527 --> 00:13:44,341 is that I liked to sing and play guitar. 297 00:13:44,365 --> 00:13:47,886 And I thought, I have to hide this. 298 00:13:47,910 --> 00:13:49,888 I have to hide this part of me. 299 00:13:49,912 --> 00:13:51,890 ♪♪ 300 00:13:51,914 --> 00:13:54,101 I couldn't be myself 301 00:13:54,125 --> 00:13:57,271 because then I would be too much like Sarah Pender. 302 00:13:57,295 --> 00:13:59,690 ♪♪ 303 00:13:59,714 --> 00:14:02,693 It was emotionally exhausting. 304 00:14:02,717 --> 00:14:05,404 ♪♪ 305 00:14:05,428 --> 00:14:08,490 I just wanted to resume my normal life. 306 00:14:08,514 --> 00:14:10,492 ♪♪ 307 00:14:10,516 --> 00:14:12,494 REPORTER ON TV: Investigators say Sarah Pender 308 00:14:12,518 --> 00:14:15,080 is on the loose and dangerous. 309 00:14:15,104 --> 00:14:17,833 OFFICER ON TV: We received numerous tips and calls, 310 00:14:17,857 --> 00:14:20,753 but here lately, they have since dried up, 311 00:14:20,777 --> 00:14:21,920 and we're not... 312 00:14:21,944 --> 00:14:23,338 RYAN: Wanted fugitives... 313 00:14:23,362 --> 00:14:26,050 they're usually on the run for days, maybe weeks. 314 00:14:26,074 --> 00:14:28,677 Very rarely are they months. 315 00:14:28,701 --> 00:14:31,055 When I was hunting Sarah, though, she was... 316 00:14:31,079 --> 00:14:33,974 she was all-encompassing in my mind, 317 00:14:33,998 --> 00:14:36,894 from when I went to sleep until I woke up. 318 00:14:36,918 --> 00:14:38,312 And a lot of times, 319 00:14:38,336 --> 00:14:40,522 I'm watching TV with my... my daughter 320 00:14:40,546 --> 00:14:41,899 or my son or my wife... 321 00:14:41,923 --> 00:14:44,777 [cell phone vibrating] And my phone would ring. 322 00:14:44,801 --> 00:14:47,321 I mean, from state police detectives, 323 00:14:47,345 --> 00:14:50,824 Internal Affairs to America's Most Wanted... 324 00:14:50,848 --> 00:14:54,328 they were all trying to get information to me. 325 00:14:54,352 --> 00:14:55,746 Every lead I went to, 326 00:14:55,770 --> 00:14:57,956 everything I went and checked out, 327 00:14:57,980 --> 00:15:01,960 you have hope, and you have... you have "what if." 328 00:15:01,984 --> 00:15:04,046 [door opens, closes] 329 00:15:04,070 --> 00:15:06,381 I was gone all... all the time. 330 00:15:06,405 --> 00:15:08,967 And I was coming up empty-handed. 331 00:15:08,991 --> 00:15:11,053 [dramatic music] 332 00:15:11,077 --> 00:15:14,598 And then I fell down the deep hole of... of... 333 00:15:14,622 --> 00:15:17,601 I-I started drinking too much. 334 00:15:17,625 --> 00:15:20,354 [ice cubes clinking lightly] 335 00:15:20,378 --> 00:15:22,356 I would decompress in the evening 336 00:15:22,380 --> 00:15:23,774 with Absolut Vodka 337 00:15:23,798 --> 00:15:25,943 and wake up with a headache in the morning. 338 00:15:25,967 --> 00:15:27,986 ♪♪ 339 00:15:28,010 --> 00:15:32,157 I suffered, chasing her ass for four, five months. 340 00:15:32,181 --> 00:15:35,619 ♪♪ 341 00:15:35,643 --> 00:15:38,413 Yeah, I take ownership, I wasn't around. 342 00:15:38,437 --> 00:15:41,774 So... that's all I want to say about my personal life. 343 00:15:49,031 --> 00:15:53,637 The fear is not about returning to prison, 344 00:15:53,661 --> 00:15:58,267 because I know what prison is. 345 00:15:58,291 --> 00:16:01,436 ♪♪ 346 00:16:01,460 --> 00:16:03,188 The fear 347 00:16:03,212 --> 00:16:06,817 was that I would lose my freedom, 348 00:16:06,841 --> 00:16:10,445 not that I would go back to prison. 349 00:16:10,469 --> 00:16:13,991 One thing is punishment, 350 00:16:14,015 --> 00:16:16,201 and the other one is loss. 351 00:16:16,225 --> 00:16:18,620 ♪♪ 352 00:16:18,644 --> 00:16:20,831 I had started packing my things 353 00:16:20,855 --> 00:16:23,667 because I was moving in a couple of days 354 00:16:23,691 --> 00:16:25,669 to a new apartment. 355 00:16:25,693 --> 00:16:28,130 ♪♪ 356 00:16:28,154 --> 00:16:32,467 It kept me on the move to avoid detection. 357 00:16:32,491 --> 00:16:35,679 ♪♪ 358 00:16:35,703 --> 00:16:37,181 And then... 359 00:16:37,205 --> 00:16:40,601 [banging on door] 360 00:16:40,625 --> 00:16:43,437 It was a loud knock. It's 11:00 at night. 361 00:16:43,461 --> 00:16:46,690 And he says, maintenance. 362 00:16:46,714 --> 00:16:48,859 And I shuffled across the parquet floor 363 00:16:48,883 --> 00:16:50,676 in my little pink slippers. 364 00:16:52,595 --> 00:16:54,990 And I remember looking out the peephole. 365 00:16:55,014 --> 00:16:58,452 ♪♪ 366 00:16:58,476 --> 00:17:03,207 And I see these four strapping men. 367 00:17:03,231 --> 00:17:06,543 I think a couple of them had on, you know, 368 00:17:06,567 --> 00:17:09,129 bulletproof vests. 369 00:17:09,153 --> 00:17:11,298 My initial reaction is, 370 00:17:11,322 --> 00:17:14,259 grab my go bag, go out the back. 371 00:17:14,283 --> 00:17:16,511 There was a back stairwell... 372 00:17:16,535 --> 00:17:18,305 my escape route. 373 00:17:18,329 --> 00:17:21,308 ♪♪ 374 00:17:21,332 --> 00:17:22,935 And I paused. 375 00:17:22,959 --> 00:17:25,145 ♪♪ 376 00:17:25,169 --> 00:17:28,565 This was it. You got me. 377 00:17:28,589 --> 00:17:30,484 The universe let me out of prison, 378 00:17:30,508 --> 00:17:32,486 and now the universe is telling me 379 00:17:32,510 --> 00:17:34,071 it's time to go back. 380 00:17:34,095 --> 00:17:37,074 And I opened up the door. 381 00:17:37,098 --> 00:17:39,409 I said, let me get my shoes. 382 00:17:39,433 --> 00:17:41,828 [siren whoops] 383 00:17:41,852 --> 00:17:44,873 [indistinct chatter over police radio] 384 00:17:44,897 --> 00:17:49,169 ♪♪ 385 00:17:49,193 --> 00:17:53,632 And here are four men escorting me 386 00:17:53,656 --> 00:17:56,343 out of the building in handcuffs... 387 00:17:56,367 --> 00:17:58,011 [distant siren wailing] 388 00:17:58,035 --> 00:18:01,640 Just walking to the car... 389 00:18:01,664 --> 00:18:06,061 like nothing else is different in the world. 390 00:18:06,085 --> 00:18:08,296 [siren whoops] 391 00:18:13,050 --> 00:18:16,446 [dramatic music] 392 00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:22,327 ♪♪ 393 00:18:22,351 --> 00:18:24,329 RYAN: I-I remember I was in the car 394 00:18:24,353 --> 00:18:27,791 driving with my family, going to see my in-laws. 395 00:18:27,815 --> 00:18:30,002 And I got a phone call saying that Pender 396 00:18:30,026 --> 00:18:33,612 was apprehended in Chicago by an anonymous tipster. 397 00:18:35,197 --> 00:18:38,176 That's how I found out. Merry Christmas. 398 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,555 December 2008. 399 00:18:41,579 --> 00:18:43,390 Would it have been nice to be the one to track her out 400 00:18:43,414 --> 00:18:44,808 and put the cuffs on her? 401 00:18:44,832 --> 00:18:46,393 Yeah, but guess what. 402 00:18:46,417 --> 00:18:50,564 She didn't outwit us. She was put back in the cage. 403 00:18:50,588 --> 00:18:53,275 And I turned my family around. I went to Chicago. 404 00:18:53,299 --> 00:18:58,947 ♪♪ 405 00:18:58,971 --> 00:19:00,907 When I finally got to meet Sarah, 406 00:19:00,931 --> 00:19:03,577 the first thing she said... she goes, you know what? 407 00:19:03,601 --> 00:19:07,080 You're much better-looking in person. 408 00:19:07,104 --> 00:19:09,624 He didn't strike me 409 00:19:09,648 --> 00:19:12,419 as someone particularly special. 410 00:19:12,443 --> 00:19:15,047 ♪♪ 411 00:19:15,071 --> 00:19:17,632 Basically, Ryan had been obsessed 412 00:19:17,656 --> 00:19:21,803 with finding me for four months. 413 00:19:21,827 --> 00:19:25,265 Ryan talked to me like I knew him, 414 00:19:25,289 --> 00:19:28,185 like he knew me. 415 00:19:28,209 --> 00:19:29,603 RYAN: There was a relief. 416 00:19:29,627 --> 00:19:33,398 She was happy to see me. I was happy to see her. 417 00:19:33,422 --> 00:19:35,484 Because she's tired of running. She told me she was tired. 418 00:19:35,508 --> 00:19:37,402 She wasn't the only fugitive that I've caught 419 00:19:37,426 --> 00:19:39,029 that was stuck... You know, I'm tired of running. 420 00:19:39,053 --> 00:19:42,199 I'm tired of looking behind my back. 421 00:19:42,223 --> 00:19:44,201 [scoffs] 422 00:19:44,225 --> 00:19:47,537 ♪♪ 423 00:19:47,561 --> 00:19:50,457 Ryan Harmon knows me 424 00:19:50,481 --> 00:19:54,670 as much as you know me. 425 00:19:54,694 --> 00:19:56,463 RYAN: And we got in the car 426 00:19:56,487 --> 00:19:58,882 to take her back to Indianapolis. 427 00:19:58,906 --> 00:20:04,680 ♪♪ 428 00:20:04,704 --> 00:20:06,682 We had U.S. Marshals undercover 429 00:20:06,706 --> 00:20:09,184 following us out of Chicago. 430 00:20:09,208 --> 00:20:10,769 I was in the back seat with her, 431 00:20:10,793 --> 00:20:12,646 and I put a digital recorder in my pocket. 432 00:20:12,670 --> 00:20:14,856 I hadn't known... I didn't know anything about who helped her 433 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,465 while she was on the run. 434 00:20:31,313 --> 00:20:33,291 RYAN: That's when she first divulged to me 435 00:20:33,315 --> 00:20:35,293 her friend Thea had introduced her to a guy 436 00:20:35,317 --> 00:20:36,944 by the name of Tom Welch. 437 00:20:52,752 --> 00:20:55,021 RYAN: He's the one that sent her to Cincinnati 438 00:20:55,045 --> 00:20:57,023 and back to Chicago and gave her a phone 439 00:20:57,047 --> 00:20:58,984 and gave her money and... 440 00:20:59,008 --> 00:21:02,487 All for getting your nuts off. 441 00:21:02,511 --> 00:21:05,782 But, man, I didn't expect to hear what I heard. 442 00:21:05,806 --> 00:21:08,702 And I was so goddamn close to getting her. 443 00:21:08,726 --> 00:21:10,495 If he hadn't entered the picture, 444 00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:12,164 I mean, she was choked. 445 00:21:12,188 --> 00:21:13,957 [siren wailing] REPORTER: Law enforcement pull 446 00:21:13,981 --> 00:21:15,459 into the Indiana Women's Prison 447 00:21:15,483 --> 00:21:16,960 in this maroon Taurus, 448 00:21:16,984 --> 00:21:19,045 Sarah Pender in the left back seat. 449 00:21:19,069 --> 00:21:22,466 Pender now with red hair, wearing a Purdue sweatshirt. 450 00:21:22,490 --> 00:21:25,218 They escort her inside the prison. 451 00:21:25,242 --> 00:21:27,554 News everywhere outside the prison. 452 00:21:27,578 --> 00:21:30,348 I mean, it was... I walked into a guillotine of, like, a... 453 00:21:30,372 --> 00:21:31,975 It was crazy. 454 00:21:31,999 --> 00:21:34,519 REPORTER: Sarah, how's it feel to get caught? 455 00:21:34,543 --> 00:21:36,480 RYAN: And then... 456 00:21:36,504 --> 00:21:43,487 ♪♪ 457 00:21:43,511 --> 00:21:47,532 [voice breaking] I gave my life for that hunt. 458 00:21:47,556 --> 00:21:50,243 But I lost a lot. 459 00:21:50,267 --> 00:21:52,746 [normal voice] I lost my marriage, my children, 460 00:21:52,770 --> 00:21:54,581 right after this capture. 461 00:21:54,605 --> 00:21:58,168 I didn't know... that was gonna happen. 462 00:21:58,192 --> 00:22:00,086 It didn't surprise me when it happened, 463 00:22:00,110 --> 00:22:01,588 but it happened. 464 00:22:01,612 --> 00:22:02,964 Because of her? 465 00:22:02,988 --> 00:22:04,800 [sighs] 466 00:22:04,824 --> 00:22:08,220 Big question there. 467 00:22:08,244 --> 00:22:10,037 Was it worth it? 468 00:22:12,623 --> 00:22:14,250 I don't know. 469 00:22:54,290 --> 00:22:55,976 RYAN: She's on the run. 470 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,019 She's a U.S. Marshals top-15 fugitive. 471 00:22:58,043 --> 00:23:00,021 And you're carrying on a relationship 472 00:23:00,045 --> 00:23:02,006 like you picked her up off of Tinder. 473 00:23:21,066 --> 00:23:23,336 RYAN: He told me his story with an attorney present 474 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:24,462 because the prosecutor 475 00:23:24,486 --> 00:23:26,089 agreed to give him a proffer statement, 476 00:23:26,113 --> 00:23:27,882 which means you give him a clean-up statement, 477 00:23:27,906 --> 00:23:29,092 won't prosecute you. 478 00:23:29,116 --> 00:23:31,094 Well, I listened to what he had to tell me. 479 00:23:31,118 --> 00:23:32,679 He should get 24 years. 480 00:23:32,703 --> 00:23:39,603 ♪♪ 481 00:23:39,627 --> 00:23:42,981 SARAH: When I was returned to prison, 482 00:23:43,005 --> 00:23:45,066 they told me that I was sentenced 483 00:23:45,090 --> 00:23:47,611 to one year in solitary confinement. 484 00:23:47,635 --> 00:23:49,946 ♪♪ 485 00:23:49,970 --> 00:23:52,282 WILLARD: That was an administrative move, 486 00:23:52,306 --> 00:23:55,327 which certainly we have that latitude, 487 00:23:55,351 --> 00:23:58,455 if we feel like somebody's still a danger 488 00:23:58,479 --> 00:24:03,126 to other inmates, to the... whatever. 489 00:24:03,150 --> 00:24:07,255 If they're a danger, we'll keep them locked up. 490 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:11,676 I was told by officers, by staff, 491 00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:13,720 you embarrassed the Department of Corrections. 492 00:24:13,744 --> 00:24:16,389 Therefore, they're gonna keep you in solitary confinement. 493 00:24:16,413 --> 00:24:18,391 [cell door closes] 494 00:24:18,415 --> 00:24:21,061 ♪♪ 495 00:24:21,085 --> 00:24:23,897 Solitary confinement is cold... 496 00:24:23,921 --> 00:24:27,359 nothing but steel and concrete. 497 00:24:27,383 --> 00:24:30,487 There's a concrete slab with a thin mat 498 00:24:30,511 --> 00:24:33,114 with a steel toilet and a steel sink. 499 00:24:33,138 --> 00:24:35,116 ♪♪ 500 00:24:35,140 --> 00:24:37,702 And that is it. 501 00:24:37,726 --> 00:24:41,581 All you have is your mind, and it just ravages you. 502 00:24:41,605 --> 00:24:45,418 You think about all the things that I had done, 503 00:24:45,442 --> 00:24:48,838 all the things that I didn't do. 504 00:24:48,862 --> 00:24:51,925 It just eats... eats at you in this cycle, 505 00:24:51,949 --> 00:24:55,970 and... and you can't get it to shut up. 506 00:24:55,994 --> 00:24:58,390 ♪♪ 507 00:24:58,414 --> 00:25:02,519 [indistinct chatter] 508 00:25:02,543 --> 00:25:04,729 In my mind, I thought I was getting out 509 00:25:04,753 --> 00:25:07,273 at the end of the year. 510 00:25:07,297 --> 00:25:10,485 But I was told that I would not be released. 511 00:25:10,509 --> 00:25:13,738 And when they told me it was indefinite... 512 00:25:13,762 --> 00:25:17,242 ♪♪ 513 00:25:17,266 --> 00:25:21,371 My mind started... 514 00:25:21,395 --> 00:25:23,581 like, winding down almost. 515 00:25:23,605 --> 00:25:28,795 ♪♪ 516 00:25:28,819 --> 00:25:30,588 So I was sitting on the floor, 517 00:25:30,612 --> 00:25:34,217 and I was trying to play solitaire. 518 00:25:34,241 --> 00:25:36,845 ♪♪ 519 00:25:36,869 --> 00:25:40,598 But the numbers didn't make any sense to me. 520 00:25:40,622 --> 00:25:47,564 ♪♪ 521 00:25:47,588 --> 00:25:52,402 I see things, but I don't know. 522 00:25:52,426 --> 00:25:54,404 Something is happening. Something is happening. 523 00:25:54,428 --> 00:25:56,489 I don't know what's happening. 524 00:25:56,513 --> 00:25:59,993 Something is happening to me, literally in my mind. 525 00:26:00,017 --> 00:26:02,036 ♪♪ 526 00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:04,205 And I'm just ripping apart. 527 00:26:04,229 --> 00:26:07,625 And just this part of me just floats away. 528 00:26:07,649 --> 00:26:12,464 ♪♪ 529 00:26:12,488 --> 00:26:14,424 And then nothing. 530 00:26:14,448 --> 00:26:19,054 I have no thoughts. I have no feelings, nothing. 531 00:26:19,078 --> 00:26:20,847 It was just... 532 00:26:20,871 --> 00:26:23,183 [imitates soft whirring] Like white noise. 533 00:26:23,207 --> 00:26:25,602 ♪♪ 534 00:26:25,626 --> 00:26:28,813 Whenever I would think about... 535 00:26:28,837 --> 00:26:30,607 the future... 536 00:26:30,631 --> 00:26:34,819 ♪♪ 537 00:26:34,843 --> 00:26:36,821 I couldn't see it. 538 00:26:36,845 --> 00:26:41,242 ♪♪ 539 00:26:41,266 --> 00:26:43,453 And there was just this darkness. 540 00:26:43,477 --> 00:26:45,455 There was this abyss. 541 00:26:45,479 --> 00:26:49,501 ♪♪ 542 00:26:49,525 --> 00:26:52,086 I just kept sliding. 543 00:26:52,110 --> 00:26:53,880 And I was afraid. 544 00:26:53,904 --> 00:26:56,132 I was very afraid to lose my mind. 545 00:26:56,156 --> 00:26:59,910 ♪♪ 546 00:27:04,623 --> 00:27:07,560 [dramatic music] 547 00:27:07,584 --> 00:27:12,482 ♪♪ 548 00:27:12,506 --> 00:27:14,067 BONNIE: I knew. 549 00:27:14,091 --> 00:27:18,071 I knew that it was taking its toll on her. 550 00:27:18,095 --> 00:27:20,073 But I didn't know how to help her. 551 00:27:20,097 --> 00:27:21,658 I didn't know what to say. 552 00:27:21,682 --> 00:27:24,285 I didn't know, you know, where to go. 553 00:27:24,309 --> 00:27:25,912 What... what do I do? 554 00:27:25,936 --> 00:27:28,665 [telephone rings] 555 00:27:28,689 --> 00:27:31,125 It was close to Mother's Day. 556 00:27:31,149 --> 00:27:35,404 And I get a phone call around 8:00 in the evening. 557 00:27:37,364 --> 00:27:41,427 It was Larry Sells, the prosecutor. 558 00:27:41,451 --> 00:27:43,972 And he says, Bonnie... 559 00:27:43,996 --> 00:27:46,933 I've done 72 murder cases, 560 00:27:46,957 --> 00:27:50,103 and one was a mistake, and that was Sarah. 561 00:27:50,127 --> 00:27:51,938 LARRY: And she started crying. 562 00:27:51,962 --> 00:27:54,107 I said, Bonnie... 563 00:27:54,131 --> 00:27:57,151 you may not believe this... 564 00:27:57,175 --> 00:28:00,697 but it's my opinion, based upon what I know now, 565 00:28:00,721 --> 00:28:05,535 that your daughter Sarah did not receive a fair trial. 566 00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:08,329 After Sarah was rearrested, 567 00:28:08,353 --> 00:28:11,374 an author by the name of Steven Miller 568 00:28:11,398 --> 00:28:14,085 decided he's gonna write a book on the case. 569 00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:16,379 So he asked me if I'd go 570 00:28:16,403 --> 00:28:20,383 to Homicide Department with him 571 00:28:20,407 --> 00:28:24,596 to help him look at the Homicide file. 572 00:28:24,620 --> 00:28:27,015 So I got it out, and we were going through it. 573 00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:31,477 And I recollected most of the stuff that was there. 574 00:28:31,501 --> 00:28:36,691 But there was a file there that said "Floyd Pennington." 575 00:28:36,715 --> 00:28:39,152 He testified against Sarah, 576 00:28:39,176 --> 00:28:41,946 that she admitted to him that she got Rick Hull 577 00:28:41,970 --> 00:28:44,157 to commit these murders. 578 00:28:44,181 --> 00:28:45,742 And inside the file, 579 00:28:45,766 --> 00:28:50,163 there were two legal-size sheets of paper. 580 00:28:50,187 --> 00:28:52,999 And I saw what it was. 581 00:28:53,023 --> 00:28:56,628 I said, oh, shit. 582 00:28:56,652 --> 00:28:59,881 There was a whole list of violent criminals, 583 00:28:59,905 --> 00:29:03,217 drug dealers, criminal gangs, 584 00:29:03,241 --> 00:29:05,678 and even somebody named Pennington... 585 00:29:05,702 --> 00:29:08,890 a relative of Floyd's... that was there. 586 00:29:08,914 --> 00:29:10,850 I called it a snitch list. 587 00:29:10,874 --> 00:29:12,518 And it was a list of people 588 00:29:12,542 --> 00:29:16,397 that he would turn in to get a better deal. 589 00:29:16,421 --> 00:29:19,901 It was like a rat crawled up out of the sewer 590 00:29:19,925 --> 00:29:23,279 to try to gain some advantage for himself 591 00:29:23,303 --> 00:29:26,199 and convince me that he was telling the truth 592 00:29:26,223 --> 00:29:27,408 about Sarah Pender, 593 00:29:27,432 --> 00:29:29,702 maybe because I wanted to be convinced. 594 00:29:29,726 --> 00:29:31,788 ♪♪ 595 00:29:31,812 --> 00:29:33,665 I should have had that. 596 00:29:33,689 --> 00:29:37,794 I don't know why they didn't give it to me. 597 00:29:37,818 --> 00:29:40,296 But it made me realize 598 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,966 that there was more to the Sarah Pender case. 599 00:29:42,990 --> 00:29:46,010 ♪♪ 600 00:29:46,034 --> 00:29:47,845 VIC: In 2013, 601 00:29:47,869 --> 00:29:50,473 when I was a reporter for the Indianapolis Star... 602 00:29:50,497 --> 00:29:53,935 and Larry had called me and said, 603 00:29:53,959 --> 00:29:57,647 look, I have some problems, um, with this case. 604 00:29:57,671 --> 00:29:59,524 I need to tell you about them. 605 00:29:59,548 --> 00:30:02,443 One thing that, especially after the trial, 606 00:30:02,467 --> 00:30:04,237 years after the trial, 607 00:30:04,261 --> 00:30:06,030 I recognized was something 608 00:30:06,054 --> 00:30:08,032 that should have been considered 609 00:30:08,056 --> 00:30:10,243 even more than it was at the time... 610 00:30:10,267 --> 00:30:11,995 [pen scratching] 611 00:30:12,019 --> 00:30:15,498 Was the letter identified as being written by Sarah 612 00:30:15,522 --> 00:30:17,709 where she confessed to the murders. 613 00:30:17,733 --> 00:30:20,169 ♪♪ 614 00:30:20,193 --> 00:30:22,505 BONNIE: I knew in my heart 615 00:30:22,529 --> 00:30:25,883 that she didn't write this letter. 616 00:30:25,907 --> 00:30:28,302 And I thought, there's no way. 617 00:30:28,326 --> 00:30:31,472 What... you know, where'd you come up with this? 618 00:30:31,496 --> 00:30:34,517 I had five handwriting experts 619 00:30:34,541 --> 00:30:37,687 that all said the same thing... 620 00:30:37,711 --> 00:30:42,483 that she did not write that letter. 621 00:30:42,507 --> 00:30:45,278 VIC: The circumstances around how that letter 622 00:30:45,302 --> 00:30:47,071 was delivered to prosecutors 623 00:30:47,095 --> 00:30:49,407 was always a little bit suspect. 624 00:30:49,431 --> 00:30:52,827 It was not found by the guards. 625 00:30:52,851 --> 00:30:57,707 It was handed over by Rick and his attorney. 626 00:30:57,731 --> 00:30:59,751 ♪♪ 627 00:30:59,775 --> 00:31:03,546 LARRY: Rick Hull... he had had a cellmate 628 00:31:03,570 --> 00:31:06,090 by the name of Steve Logan. 629 00:31:06,114 --> 00:31:10,261 Rick asked him, I want you to do me a favor. 630 00:31:10,285 --> 00:31:15,016 Rick gave him letters Sarah had written in the beginning, 631 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,895 and Steve copied her handwriting. 632 00:31:18,919 --> 00:31:23,316 LARRY: Steven Logan had made an affidavit 633 00:31:23,340 --> 00:31:27,528 admitting that he wrote that confession letter. 634 00:31:27,552 --> 00:31:32,241 Rick Hull had him write it, made him write it. 635 00:31:32,265 --> 00:31:35,912 There was a letter... 636 00:31:35,936 --> 00:31:39,791 that was used at the trial that, uh... 637 00:31:39,815 --> 00:31:41,793 ♪♪ 638 00:31:41,817 --> 00:31:43,961 Was manufactured. 639 00:31:43,985 --> 00:31:47,381 You know, I didn't write it. 640 00:31:47,405 --> 00:31:49,967 Uh, somebody else did. 641 00:31:49,991 --> 00:31:52,804 -So that, uh... -I mean, that just... 642 00:31:52,828 --> 00:31:54,305 [clicks tongue] 643 00:31:54,329 --> 00:31:58,935 Hit me like a... you know, a load of bricks. 644 00:31:58,959 --> 00:32:00,686 This is what happened. 645 00:32:00,710 --> 00:32:04,565 I allowed myself to be set up both for Pennington 646 00:32:04,589 --> 00:32:08,361 and the phony letter. 647 00:32:08,385 --> 00:32:09,779 VIC: The prosecutor 648 00:32:09,803 --> 00:32:12,573 who called this woman "female Charles Manson," 649 00:32:12,597 --> 00:32:15,368 is now saying, I was wrong. 650 00:32:15,392 --> 00:32:16,661 She's not that. 651 00:32:16,685 --> 00:32:19,497 REPORTER: If you had had this at trial, 652 00:32:19,521 --> 00:32:22,667 would you have prosecuted Sarah for murder? 653 00:32:22,691 --> 00:32:24,627 Absolutely not. 654 00:32:24,651 --> 00:32:26,420 REPORTER: Larry Sells is working 655 00:32:26,444 --> 00:32:29,340 with Pender's new attorney to present the evidence 656 00:32:29,364 --> 00:32:31,634 to the Marion County Prosecutor's Office. 657 00:32:31,658 --> 00:32:33,845 Pender's attorney is still waiting to meet 658 00:32:33,869 --> 00:32:36,639 with Prosecutor Curry's office about the case. 659 00:32:36,663 --> 00:32:43,628 ♪♪ 660 00:32:46,423 --> 00:32:50,218 SARAH: I had been in solitary for over five years. 661 00:32:52,012 --> 00:32:54,824 And when they told me 662 00:32:54,848 --> 00:32:58,202 they were going to let me out into the transitional unit 663 00:32:58,226 --> 00:33:02,123 and they were going to put me on close observation, 664 00:33:02,147 --> 00:33:04,250 it felt really good just to hear them say, 665 00:33:04,274 --> 00:33:06,460 well, we're gonna try letting you out. 666 00:33:06,484 --> 00:33:08,462 ♪♪ 667 00:33:08,486 --> 00:33:11,007 I know that Larry Sells found new evidence 668 00:33:11,031 --> 00:33:15,219 that changed his mind about my case. 669 00:33:15,243 --> 00:33:17,680 And... 670 00:33:17,704 --> 00:33:21,225 I believed that I was gonna go home. 671 00:33:21,249 --> 00:33:26,022 I always believed that if you had new evidence 672 00:33:26,046 --> 00:33:30,026 to prove, you know, your innocence 673 00:33:30,050 --> 00:33:34,655 that that was what you do, and they fix it. 674 00:33:34,679 --> 00:33:38,242 Now we have something that the authorities will... 675 00:33:38,266 --> 00:33:41,078 you know, will pay attention to on it. 676 00:33:41,102 --> 00:33:42,663 I just knew I was going home. 677 00:33:42,687 --> 00:33:44,498 I knew it would take some months, 678 00:33:44,522 --> 00:33:47,585 but I just knew I was going home and... 679 00:33:47,609 --> 00:33:50,504 being so happy and imagining all these things 680 00:33:50,528 --> 00:33:52,656 that I wanted to do with my family. 681 00:34:05,502 --> 00:34:10,274 ♪♪ 682 00:34:10,298 --> 00:34:14,278 By the time that I received the "no"... 683 00:34:14,302 --> 00:34:18,491 ♪♪ 684 00:34:18,515 --> 00:34:23,037 I had grown enough to know that... 685 00:34:23,061 --> 00:34:25,957 [voice breaking] That it would absolutely devastate my parents 686 00:34:25,981 --> 00:34:27,875 if I killed myself. 687 00:34:27,899 --> 00:34:34,882 ♪♪ 688 00:34:34,906 --> 00:34:38,344 [sniffles] 689 00:34:38,368 --> 00:34:40,763 And I have not told people that. 690 00:34:40,787 --> 00:34:43,975 [chuckles tearfully, exhales deeply] 691 00:34:43,999 --> 00:34:47,937 But I also know that it's my only shot at freedom. 692 00:34:47,961 --> 00:34:49,939 [sniffles] 693 00:34:49,963 --> 00:34:52,757 ♪♪ 694 00:34:57,345 --> 00:34:59,615 [distant siren wailing] 695 00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:02,618 [dramatic music] 696 00:35:02,642 --> 00:35:04,829 ♪♪ 697 00:35:04,853 --> 00:35:07,164 MARTIN: I know what it's like to be in prison 698 00:35:07,188 --> 00:35:08,791 where you don't belong. 699 00:35:08,815 --> 00:35:12,878 And who better to represent somebody like Sarah than me? 700 00:35:12,902 --> 00:35:16,757 JUDGE: How do you find as to the defendant, Martin Tankleff, 701 00:35:16,781 --> 00:35:18,175 murder, second degree? 702 00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:19,510 JURY FOREPERSON: Guilty. 703 00:35:19,534 --> 00:35:21,012 [people scream] 704 00:35:21,036 --> 00:35:23,139 MARTIN: I was in prison for almost 18 years 705 00:35:23,163 --> 00:35:24,473 until I was exonerated. 706 00:35:24,497 --> 00:35:27,226 And when I got out, I made a conscious decision 707 00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:30,771 to go on to law school and represent people 708 00:35:30,795 --> 00:35:33,149 who I believe were wrongfully convicted 709 00:35:33,173 --> 00:35:35,318 or people who were abused by the system. 710 00:35:35,342 --> 00:35:38,321 And I really think Sarah fits into both those categories. 711 00:35:38,345 --> 00:35:42,825 ♪♪ 712 00:35:42,849 --> 00:35:45,369 TIMOTHY: Even with the evidence out there, 713 00:35:45,393 --> 00:35:47,580 unfortunately, there's no possibility 714 00:35:47,604 --> 00:35:50,333 of just exonerating Sarah. 715 00:35:50,357 --> 00:35:53,252 The track we're on is asking for mercy... 716 00:35:53,276 --> 00:35:54,545 BAILIFF: Now in session. 717 00:35:54,569 --> 00:35:56,839 The Honorable James K. Snyder, Judge, presiding. 718 00:35:56,863 --> 00:35:58,215 -All right, be seated. -Good morning. 719 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,344 TIMOTHY: Because to put her in solitary confinement 720 00:36:01,368 --> 00:36:04,221 for five uninterrupted years 721 00:36:04,245 --> 00:36:08,851 so outstrips the crimes she committed. 722 00:36:08,875 --> 00:36:11,020 And I believe that the sum of it 723 00:36:11,044 --> 00:36:15,191 lends itself toward modifying the sentence. 724 00:36:15,215 --> 00:36:17,610 We're gonna try to convince the judge 725 00:36:17,634 --> 00:36:21,030 that I'm worth letting go. 726 00:36:21,054 --> 00:36:23,574 JAMES: The state of Indiana versus Sarah Pender... 727 00:36:23,598 --> 00:36:25,618 shows she is present and by counsels, 728 00:36:25,642 --> 00:36:27,411 and the state is here by Mr. Cicchini. 729 00:36:27,435 --> 00:36:28,662 DANIEL: Yes, Your Honor. 730 00:36:28,686 --> 00:36:30,873 Judge, we are here for a modification hearing, 731 00:36:30,897 --> 00:36:33,876 but that is because of the brutal murders 732 00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:37,129 of Tricia Nordman and Andrew Cataldi 25 years ago. 733 00:36:37,153 --> 00:36:39,465 Their lives were cut short at young ages, 734 00:36:39,489 --> 00:36:42,468 and as evidenced by the letters that their family members 735 00:36:42,492 --> 00:36:44,095 submitted to the court today, 736 00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:46,263 they continue to grieve their losses, 737 00:36:46,287 --> 00:36:48,682 and it continues to impact their lives on a daily basis. 738 00:36:48,706 --> 00:36:50,684 And there has been a great deal of scrutiny 739 00:36:50,708 --> 00:36:52,645 about Ms. Pender's role in the crime 740 00:36:52,669 --> 00:36:55,356 and... and what she did or did not do. 741 00:36:55,380 --> 00:36:57,942 Well, we're not here to relitigate that, Judge. 742 00:36:57,966 --> 00:37:00,528 Uh, we have to recognize that the prosecutor on the case, 743 00:37:00,552 --> 00:37:03,864 who sought and obtained the 110-year executed sentence 744 00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:05,866 has recently changed his opinion 745 00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:07,868 about both the veracity of that conviction, 746 00:37:07,892 --> 00:37:10,663 as well as the justness of that sentence. 747 00:37:10,687 --> 00:37:13,290 And that is leaving the court with the difficult task 748 00:37:13,314 --> 00:37:15,334 of what to do with Ms. Pender's sentence, 749 00:37:15,358 --> 00:37:16,877 to hand down a just decision in this matter. 750 00:37:16,901 --> 00:37:17,962 Thank you. 751 00:37:17,986 --> 00:37:19,797 JAMES: It is the defense motion, 752 00:37:19,821 --> 00:37:22,258 so I'll hear any witnesses and evidence you have to present. 753 00:37:22,282 --> 00:37:24,844 ATTORNEY: Defense calls Roland Pender, Your Honor. 754 00:37:24,868 --> 00:37:27,263 Has she matured since she's been in prison? 755 00:37:27,287 --> 00:37:28,889 Oh, very much, yes. 756 00:37:28,913 --> 00:37:31,142 Very much, she's matured. She, uh... 757 00:37:31,166 --> 00:37:35,271 I, uh... I-I-I seek advice from Sarah. 758 00:37:35,295 --> 00:37:37,273 BONNIE: [voice breaking] You can't make up 759 00:37:37,297 --> 00:37:38,691 for time lost. 760 00:37:38,715 --> 00:37:41,694 And I've lost 25 birthdays, 761 00:37:41,718 --> 00:37:46,031 25 Christmases, 25 everything. 762 00:37:46,055 --> 00:37:49,285 I pray that I can have 763 00:37:49,309 --> 00:37:53,706 the rest of my life with my daughter, 764 00:37:53,730 --> 00:37:55,875 to hug her every morning. 765 00:37:55,899 --> 00:38:00,087 [voice breaking] Today is one of the biggest days of my life 766 00:38:00,111 --> 00:38:02,965 because I'm asking for the chance to be free 767 00:38:02,989 --> 00:38:05,134 and to not die in prison. 768 00:38:05,158 --> 00:38:09,346 I know that I deserve to be punished for what I did wrong 769 00:38:09,370 --> 00:38:12,183 and for what I did not do right. 770 00:38:12,207 --> 00:38:14,727 To Drew and Tricia's families... 771 00:38:14,751 --> 00:38:18,147 [crying] I want to tell them that I am so sorry 772 00:38:18,171 --> 00:38:21,525 for the terrible loss that you've suffered 773 00:38:21,549 --> 00:38:24,320 and for the role that I played in it. 774 00:38:24,344 --> 00:38:27,531 I have paid for it 10 times over, 775 00:38:27,555 --> 00:38:30,159 with 25 years in prison 776 00:38:30,183 --> 00:38:34,187 and 5 years, a month, and 12 days in isolation. 777 00:38:35,814 --> 00:38:39,835 But, Your Honor, today I'm asking for your mercy. 778 00:38:39,859 --> 00:38:41,587 And if you grant my petition, 779 00:38:41,611 --> 00:38:44,215 I promise that you will never see me again. 780 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,176 I want to go home and keep working to make myself 781 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,804 and the world a better place. 782 00:38:49,828 --> 00:38:51,347 Thank you. [sniffles] 783 00:38:51,371 --> 00:38:53,599 JAMES: Thank you, Ms. Pender. 784 00:38:53,623 --> 00:38:55,476 TIMOTHY: She has reformed. 785 00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:58,646 And if you strip away that reformation, 786 00:38:58,670 --> 00:39:02,024 all that we have left is vindictive justice. 787 00:39:02,048 --> 00:39:03,776 Now, our petition, Your Honor, 788 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,196 is to trim count two to run concurrent with count one 789 00:39:07,220 --> 00:39:10,991 such that Sarah is eligible for immediate release. 790 00:39:11,015 --> 00:39:12,326 Thank you, Your Honor. 791 00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:14,203 JAMES: All right. Thank you, Mr. Delaney. 792 00:39:14,227 --> 00:39:16,205 Uh, so what I am going to do... 793 00:39:16,229 --> 00:39:19,416 uh, first, I'm going to hold this under advisement. 794 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,252 I want time to, uh... 795 00:39:21,276 --> 00:39:23,587 to contemplate this decision, all right? 796 00:39:23,611 --> 00:39:27,299 So thank you all for your advocacy here today. 797 00:39:27,323 --> 00:39:28,467 Uh, and I'll have... 798 00:39:28,491 --> 00:39:30,427 like I said, I'll have my ruling in due course. 799 00:39:30,451 --> 00:39:32,263 -TIMOTHY: Thank you, Your Honor. -All right. 800 00:39:32,287 --> 00:39:34,265 Thank you all very much. SARAH: Thank you, sir. 801 00:39:34,289 --> 00:39:41,254 ♪♪ 802 00:39:46,634 --> 00:39:49,613 BONNIE: I have a room waiting for Sarah. 803 00:39:49,637 --> 00:39:52,866 It's all ready for her. 804 00:39:52,890 --> 00:39:55,661 I'm hoping that... 805 00:39:55,685 --> 00:39:58,831 that she can actually see the outside... 806 00:39:58,855 --> 00:40:01,375 ♪♪ 807 00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:03,919 And... 808 00:40:03,943 --> 00:40:06,255 enjoy what life she has left. 809 00:40:06,279 --> 00:40:12,493 ♪♪ 810 00:40:20,877 --> 00:40:23,272 [sniffles] 811 00:40:23,296 --> 00:40:26,883 I really have a hard time thinking about that. 812 00:40:29,093 --> 00:40:31,655 I know that... 813 00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:33,657 it would kill her. 814 00:40:33,681 --> 00:40:35,951 It really would. 815 00:40:35,975 --> 00:40:38,287 And... 816 00:40:38,311 --> 00:40:42,124 she might not make it. 817 00:40:42,148 --> 00:40:44,335 ♪♪ 818 00:40:44,359 --> 00:40:47,504 When I think of freedom, I think of all the tiny choices 819 00:40:47,528 --> 00:40:50,007 that I want to make... 820 00:40:50,031 --> 00:40:53,135 whether I want to leave the toilet seat up or down, 821 00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:55,346 whether I want a hot or cold shower, 822 00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:57,348 all these things that I haven't been able to choose 823 00:40:57,372 --> 00:40:59,016 over the last 25 years. 824 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,894 Freedom means autonomy, 825 00:41:01,918 --> 00:41:05,606 but mostly it just means being with the people that I love. 826 00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:08,901 ♪♪ 827 00:41:08,925 --> 00:41:11,487 DIRECTOR: Good. 828 00:41:11,511 --> 00:41:14,365 [sniffles] 829 00:41:14,389 --> 00:41:17,725 ♪♪59662

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