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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:43,074 --> 00:00:45,975 If you were the guy who lifted my cell phone last year 2 00:00:45,977 --> 00:00:48,410 you may have noticed that the camera roll 3 00:00:48,412 --> 00:00:50,345 is rich in taco snapshots. 4 00:00:51,513 --> 00:00:53,347 My inner life tends to be measured 5 00:00:53,349 --> 00:00:56,216 out in radishes, meat and limes. 6 00:00:56,218 --> 00:00:58,484 If you peered closely at the tiny images 7 00:00:58,486 --> 00:01:00,486 trying to figure out who might spend so many 8 00:01:00,488 --> 00:01:03,489 of his days in proximity to small tortillas. 9 00:01:03,491 --> 00:01:05,791 You may have inferred that a startling number 10 00:01:05,793 --> 00:01:08,326 of the tacos came from a single source. 11 00:01:08,328 --> 00:01:11,862 Guerilla tacos, a tiny operation that pops up 12 00:01:11,864 --> 00:01:16,165 a few days a week in downtown Los Angeles. 13 00:01:16,167 --> 00:01:18,867 Guerilla tacos is a pretty singular taqueria 14 00:01:18,869 --> 00:01:20,802 the creation of Wes avila 15 00:01:20,804 --> 00:01:25,473 whose culinary training came under Alain ducasse in Paris. 16 00:01:25,475 --> 00:01:28,175 Avila was crafting tacos in empty storefronts 17 00:01:28,177 --> 00:01:31,478 or stairwells or garage spaces deep downtown 18 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,514 and there were rumors about tacos made with diver scallops 19 00:01:34,516 --> 00:01:37,516 weird vegetables and Sushi grade yellow tail. 20 00:01:39,719 --> 00:01:42,987 When I published a list of the best dishes of 2013 21 00:01:42,989 --> 00:01:45,823 I included his taco made with roasted squash 22 00:01:45,825 --> 00:01:47,391 rubbery oaxacan cheese 23 00:01:47,393 --> 00:01:49,960 and a hint of chili and charred tomato. 24 00:01:51,696 --> 00:01:53,663 The tortillas don't seem to be made to order 25 00:01:53,665 --> 00:01:55,531 but they are fresh and toasty enough. 26 00:01:55,533 --> 00:01:57,833 The taco equivalent of the energy 27 00:01:57,835 --> 00:02:00,235 of what Chinese cooks sometimes call 28 00:02:00,237 --> 00:02:03,538 "the breathe of the wok," is in full effect. 29 00:02:05,974 --> 00:02:08,909 A ducasse disciple, quitting his job at an haute cuisine 30 00:02:08,911 --> 00:02:11,511 pop up to serve charred octopus tacos 31 00:02:11,513 --> 00:02:14,146 on a downtown street corner. 32 00:02:14,148 --> 00:02:17,883 You're not gonna find cooking like this anywhere, but la. 33 00:04:16,667 --> 00:04:18,600 I'm an la guy, I drive. 34 00:04:21,070 --> 00:04:24,672 I am, I am my truck, my truck is me. 35 00:04:24,674 --> 00:04:27,307 I'm going a slightly screwy way. 36 00:04:27,309 --> 00:04:29,075 I got off on the 10 instead of the 5 37 00:04:29,077 --> 00:04:31,877 which I probably shouldn't have. 38 00:04:40,919 --> 00:04:44,855 Everybody in the world has an idea of what Los Angeles is. 39 00:04:44,857 --> 00:04:47,424 Everybody thinks they know what Los Angeles means 40 00:04:47,426 --> 00:04:49,426 even if they've never been here. 41 00:04:49,428 --> 00:04:55,064 And if you live in Los Angeles, you're used to 42 00:04:55,066 --> 00:04:57,366 having your city explained to you 43 00:04:57,368 --> 00:05:00,369 by people who come in for a couple of weeks 44 00:05:00,371 --> 00:05:02,704 stay in a hotel in Beverly hills 45 00:05:02,706 --> 00:05:06,140 and take in what they can get to 46 00:05:06,142 --> 00:05:08,609 within 10 minutes in their rented car. 47 00:05:10,211 --> 00:05:13,880 The thing that people find hard to understand I think 48 00:05:13,882 --> 00:05:18,250 is sort of the... the magnitude of what's here. 49 00:05:18,252 --> 00:05:21,920 The huge number of multiple cultures that live in the city 50 00:05:21,922 --> 00:05:25,523 who come together in this beautiful and haphazard fashion. 51 00:05:29,660 --> 00:05:33,162 And you know, the... the fault lines between them 52 00:05:33,164 --> 00:05:36,965 are sometimes where you find the most beautiful things. 53 00:05:56,652 --> 00:05:59,720 I mean, I became a food writer completely by accident 54 00:05:59,722 --> 00:06:03,390 but it became what I aspired to. 55 00:06:04,725 --> 00:06:06,659 The idea of celebrating, you know 56 00:06:06,661 --> 00:06:08,727 the... the glorious mosaic of the city 57 00:06:08,729 --> 00:06:12,230 on somebody else's dime was just completely fun 58 00:06:12,232 --> 00:06:14,498 and completely exactly what I wanted to do. 59 00:06:14,500 --> 00:06:17,367 I mean, I kept feeling as if I was getting away with something. 60 00:06:21,605 --> 00:06:25,107 There definitely is a Jonathan gold Los Angeles 61 00:06:25,109 --> 00:06:28,977 and it's a Los Angeles that a lot of people didn't know about. 62 00:06:28,979 --> 00:06:32,847 He, like Raymond Chandler showed you a vision 63 00:06:32,849 --> 00:06:35,149 of Los Angeles that was a new vision. 64 00:06:36,851 --> 00:06:39,419 Jonathan changed the food writing world 65 00:06:39,421 --> 00:06:43,156 because he was one of the first restaurant critics 66 00:06:43,158 --> 00:06:46,359 which was, who was perfectly happy in.. 67 00:06:46,361 --> 00:06:48,094 I guess I even think happier 68 00:06:48,096 --> 00:06:51,664 writing about the hard to find small restaurants 69 00:06:51,666 --> 00:06:53,532 in tiny little communities. 70 00:06:53,534 --> 00:06:55,667 - Hi, how you doin'? - Good. How are you? 71 00:06:55,669 --> 00:06:58,636 Can I get a huarache de with flor de calabaza? 72 00:06:58,638 --> 00:07:00,571 - Flor de calabaza huarache? - Yes. 73 00:07:00,573 --> 00:07:01,705 Sure. You want cheese on that? 74 00:07:01,707 --> 00:07:03,173 - Yeah. - Okay. 75 00:07:03,175 --> 00:07:04,674 He was going to these places 76 00:07:04,676 --> 00:07:07,443 where food critics didn't always go 77 00:07:07,445 --> 00:07:10,679 and he went to mom and pop places 78 00:07:10,681 --> 00:07:14,416 where generations of tradition were being passed down 79 00:07:14,418 --> 00:07:16,151 in the cooking. 80 00:07:16,153 --> 00:07:18,086 La is great that way because you don't have to travel 81 00:07:18,088 --> 00:07:20,488 far to taste like you traveled far 82 00:07:20,490 --> 00:07:22,823 and... and I think that's what made him such an interesting writer 83 00:07:22,825 --> 00:07:26,860 because he was so curious about that type of cooking. 84 00:07:26,862 --> 00:07:29,329 This is a little sauce right here from my grandmother. 85 00:07:29,331 --> 00:07:31,964 She, she came up with this, with this sauce 86 00:07:31,966 --> 00:07:34,032 so my mom just wanted me to bring you guys some 87 00:07:34,034 --> 00:07:36,801 so you can taste it and see how good it is. 88 00:07:36,803 --> 00:07:38,536 It's really, it's really, really good. 89 00:07:38,538 --> 00:07:39,737 There's salsa de semillas inside. 90 00:07:39,739 --> 00:07:41,071 Yeah, salsa de semillas. 91 00:07:41,073 --> 00:07:45,541 It has peanuts, garlic, hojuelas.. 92 00:07:45,543 --> 00:07:46,842 It's really good. 93 00:07:46,844 --> 00:07:48,476 - Thanks. - You're welcome. 94 00:07:52,914 --> 00:07:55,982 The saddest moment in boyle heights street food 95 00:07:55,984 --> 00:07:57,984 most aficionados would agree 96 00:07:57,986 --> 00:07:59,952 was the evening the breed street vendors 97 00:07:59,954 --> 00:08:03,021 were finally chased from their scene. 98 00:08:03,023 --> 00:08:04,522 This gathering had always been 99 00:08:04,524 --> 00:08:06,690 rousted by the cops every so often. 100 00:08:06,692 --> 00:08:08,391 It was amazing how quickly the circus 101 00:08:08,393 --> 00:08:10,826 turned into a deserted parking lot. 102 00:08:10,828 --> 00:08:14,496 But Carmen castellanos, the soul of antojitos Carmen 103 00:08:14,498 --> 00:08:17,365 had been working boyle heights since the 1980's 104 00:08:17,367 --> 00:08:20,000 and after a brief stretch on a sidewalk 105 00:08:20,002 --> 00:08:22,302 next to an mta building sight 106 00:08:22,304 --> 00:08:24,837 she scraped together the funding for a real restaurant 107 00:08:24,839 --> 00:08:28,707 just around the corner and brought along her family. 108 00:08:28,709 --> 00:08:31,242 Other la restaurants began as street food 109 00:08:31,244 --> 00:08:35,112 but none quite so vividly as antojitos Carmen. 110 00:08:35,114 --> 00:08:37,681 You want these guys to succeed. 111 00:08:40,084 --> 00:08:45,187 He became a, a... a figure of the democratizing 112 00:08:45,189 --> 00:08:48,290 movement in, in culture, not just in writin' 113 00:08:48,292 --> 00:08:51,826 not just in food writin', but in the ability to tell stories 114 00:08:51,828 --> 00:08:56,096 about America and the city of Los Angeles in specific 115 00:08:56,098 --> 00:09:00,233 through a series of, you know restaurants and food experiences 116 00:09:00,235 --> 00:09:03,336 that other people weren't writin' about. He gave it value. 117 00:09:45,111 --> 00:09:46,477 It's good. 118 00:09:46,479 --> 00:09:49,046 So, Alice, we.. I wanted to talk about some of these, 119 00:09:49,048 --> 00:09:50,747 pieces we wanted Jonathan to do. 120 00:09:50,749 --> 00:09:52,215 Good. 121 00:09:52,217 --> 00:09:55,318 Suggestions rather. 122 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,120 Right, well, I, I feel the most important thing 123 00:09:58,122 --> 00:09:59,454 and we've talked a little bit about this before 124 00:09:59,456 --> 00:10:01,289 is the grand central market piece. 125 00:10:01,291 --> 00:10:03,491 It's true, it's at that tipping point. 126 00:10:03,493 --> 00:10:07,428 It's been a symbol of a certain kind of Los Angeles 127 00:10:07,430 --> 00:10:10,697 for a very long time. 128 00:10:10,699 --> 00:10:13,366 As it's been redeveloped or the new restaurants are coming in 129 00:10:13,368 --> 00:10:15,534 or the... the new fancy butchers 130 00:10:15,536 --> 00:10:18,236 it's gonna stop being this sort of place that you 131 00:10:18,238 --> 00:10:22,640 associate with the smells and the tastes and the.. 132 00:10:22,642 --> 00:10:24,908 The look of that part of Los Angeles 133 00:10:24,910 --> 00:10:30,146 into being the sort of precious artisanal 134 00:10:30,148 --> 00:10:33,115 you know, aren't we special to pay 135 00:10:33,117 --> 00:10:36,785 $35.99 for a skirt steak kind of market. 136 00:10:36,787 --> 00:10:39,788 You know, can a pupuseria 137 00:10:39,790 --> 00:10:42,857 exist next to, a fancy cheese store? 138 00:10:42,859 --> 00:10:47,227 - Yeah. - Is that the challenge that these, that the owners now face? 139 00:10:47,229 --> 00:10:50,063 It is. I mean, I like a lot of the new places 140 00:10:50,065 --> 00:10:51,431 and I shop there all the time 141 00:10:51,433 --> 00:10:54,600 but you have to have a place where you have 142 00:10:54,602 --> 00:10:57,135 like the, the tastes of 143 00:10:57,137 --> 00:11:00,071 sort of last century Los Angeles 144 00:11:00,073 --> 00:11:02,673 existing with the... the modern taste. 145 00:11:02,675 --> 00:11:05,075 There's something cultural about it, and there's something 146 00:11:05,077 --> 00:11:07,544 about it that has become part of Los Angeles 147 00:11:07,546 --> 00:11:10,179 that I think is sort of magical. 148 00:11:10,181 --> 00:11:15,684 It's like when do you start cutting into the flesh and bone of the market? 149 00:11:15,686 --> 00:11:18,186 And that's, that's a hard question to answer, and I think 150 00:11:18,188 --> 00:11:21,389 that would be something really interesting to address. 151 00:11:21,391 --> 00:11:22,823 Yeah. 152 00:11:22,825 --> 00:11:24,157 I... I'm hoping we can get to that piece 153 00:11:24,159 --> 00:11:25,625 sooner rather than later. 154 00:11:28,128 --> 00:11:30,829 Whenever we talk about criticism in New York.. 155 00:11:33,232 --> 00:11:35,233 Jonathan gold's name always comes up. 156 00:11:35,235 --> 00:11:37,802 We're always like, I wish we had Jonathan gold 157 00:11:37,804 --> 00:11:40,838 as our chief critic in New York 158 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,173 because I think he's very fair. 159 00:11:43,175 --> 00:11:45,708 I think what separates Jonathan from the rest of the critics 160 00:11:45,710 --> 00:11:48,477 is that his empathy level is higher than anybody else's 161 00:11:48,479 --> 00:11:50,745 and I think that shows in his... in his writing 162 00:11:50,747 --> 00:11:54,281 but this is what pisses me off about j. Gold. 163 00:11:54,283 --> 00:11:58,017 I was in a place that did very esoteric chine.. 164 00:11:58,019 --> 00:12:02,654 Korean chicken barbecue. 165 00:12:02,656 --> 00:12:06,991 I was like, "this is great. I'm not gonna tell anybody about it." 166 00:12:06,993 --> 00:12:12,229 And then, in the corner I see Jonathan gold's review 167 00:12:12,231 --> 00:12:14,698 and I was like, "motherfucker." 168 00:12:14,700 --> 00:12:17,434 He knows every place. I don't know how he does it. 169 00:12:17,436 --> 00:12:19,569 You know, I don't know any Korean that knows more about 170 00:12:19,571 --> 00:12:21,404 Korean food than Jonathan gold. 171 00:12:21,406 --> 00:12:24,507 I don't know anybody that knows every taco stop. 172 00:12:33,416 --> 00:12:36,251 I was at the wrong truck, there's another fish one. 173 00:12:36,253 --> 00:12:37,719 I know. That one's good too. 174 00:12:37,721 --> 00:12:40,988 The... the cuatro vientos has, it has always been down there 175 00:12:40,990 --> 00:12:42,723 and sometimes the line is longer. 176 00:12:42,725 --> 00:12:44,958 - Un taco! - Ready to order? 177 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:46,025 Yeah, sure. 178 00:12:46,027 --> 00:12:48,160 You guys tweeted about a, 179 00:12:48,162 --> 00:12:50,095 tostada this morning, that sounded really good. 180 00:12:50,097 --> 00:12:51,663 What was that? 181 00:12:51,665 --> 00:12:53,564 Yeah. 182 00:12:53,566 --> 00:12:55,098 - Yeah. - Okay. 183 00:12:56,500 --> 00:12:59,568 I met Jonathan pretty much right away. 184 00:12:59,570 --> 00:13:01,536 He walked into the newsroom. 185 00:13:01,538 --> 00:13:04,372 He look, acted like he owned the place practically 186 00:13:04,374 --> 00:13:08,408 and I thought he was one of the bigger writers. 187 00:13:08,410 --> 00:13:09,842 It turned out he was just a proofreader 188 00:13:09,844 --> 00:13:12,945 at the time and I was an intern. 189 00:13:12,947 --> 00:13:14,746 He invited me up to his apartment 190 00:13:14,748 --> 00:13:18,116 for his mom's, peach pie 191 00:13:18,118 --> 00:13:21,152 so, that... that changed a lot. 192 00:13:21,154 --> 00:13:23,521 He sent roses the next morning. 193 00:13:23,523 --> 00:13:25,956 Thank you very much. 194 00:13:25,958 --> 00:13:27,791 When I woke up this morning and saw that tweet 195 00:13:27,793 --> 00:13:29,092 it's like, I know I have to come here. 196 00:13:29,094 --> 00:13:31,327 Yeah. It's very super spicy. 197 00:13:31,329 --> 00:13:33,729 - Good. - That looks great. 198 00:13:33,731 --> 00:13:38,767 It's amazing for us, people like him, that, that writes. 199 00:13:38,769 --> 00:13:42,170 He said that, these tacos are number 1 for him 200 00:13:42,172 --> 00:13:45,973 and, a... actually we're in the process of getting a loan 201 00:13:45,975 --> 00:13:48,842 from the bank to get another truck done. 202 00:13:48,844 --> 00:13:53,780 People asking us to go to orange county and San Diego. 203 00:13:53,782 --> 00:13:55,982 Here, I'll hold this. 204 00:13:55,984 --> 00:13:59,118 I gather that it's unusual for people who've married 205 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,554 as long as we have, to wanna hang out 206 00:14:02,556 --> 00:14:05,990 together so much of the time, but we kind of do. 207 00:14:05,992 --> 00:14:08,792 You know I've been wanting you to do the piece on anonymity 208 00:14:08,794 --> 00:14:10,226 for a long time? 209 00:14:10,228 --> 00:14:13,862 There's still that old idea of a restaurant critic 210 00:14:13,864 --> 00:14:15,730 has to be anonymous, but you know.. 211 00:14:15,732 --> 00:14:18,733 Laurie doesn't edit my pieces anymore 212 00:14:18,735 --> 00:14:22,136 but she has this odd ability 213 00:14:22,138 --> 00:14:25,072 of getting the best out of her writers. 214 00:14:25,074 --> 00:14:27,541 And that's, we're doing an excerpt? 215 00:14:27,543 --> 00:14:30,443 Maybe, like, 1, like, 11 inch little story. 216 00:14:30,445 --> 00:14:32,344 The weird way that she does it with me 217 00:14:32,346 --> 00:14:35,613 is probably, maybe not great for the marriage 218 00:14:35,615 --> 00:14:39,850 but it's, she suggests something and.. 219 00:14:41,052 --> 00:14:44,254 I'll, like, say that's a really.. 220 00:14:44,256 --> 00:14:47,557 N... no, that's not the way it works, but in the way of, like 221 00:14:47,559 --> 00:14:49,325 explaining to her that that's not the way it works 222 00:14:49,327 --> 00:14:51,160 I understand how it does work. 223 00:14:51,162 --> 00:14:54,863 I mean, other people have written about it, but not... not in the way.. 224 00:14:54,865 --> 00:14:57,765 I don't think in the deeper way that you want to do it. 225 00:14:57,767 --> 00:15:00,834 You think the history of anonymity in a restaurant? 226 00:15:00,836 --> 00:15:02,769 That'd be, that'd be very cool. 227 00:15:10,810 --> 00:15:15,446 It would probably be ideal to be anonymous. 228 00:15:15,448 --> 00:15:18,415 I mean, I... I was certainly was in the early part of my career. 229 00:15:18,417 --> 00:15:22,051 I mean, I would go to spago, basically looking like 230 00:15:22,053 --> 00:15:26,221 a punk rock kid with my friend who had one pair of pants. 231 00:15:26,223 --> 00:15:28,022 And... and we were not being ushered 232 00:15:28,024 --> 00:15:30,724 to the nice table by the window 233 00:15:30,726 --> 00:15:35,795 but any cri, any critic who does restaurants 234 00:15:35,797 --> 00:15:39,198 is gonna be recognized soon enough. 235 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,100 Especially, in the age of social media 236 00:15:42,102 --> 00:15:44,569 where somebody will tweet your picture 237 00:15:44,571 --> 00:15:47,405 before you've gotten your first cocktail, right? 238 00:15:47,407 --> 00:15:51,008 I mean, the people who disguise themselves 239 00:15:51,010 --> 00:15:54,811 probably aren't getting away with it nearly as much as they think they are. 240 00:15:54,813 --> 00:15:58,181 I'm wearing this mask because I'm an anonymous critic 241 00:15:58,183 --> 00:16:00,550 which means that none of the restaurateurs 242 00:16:00,552 --> 00:16:03,286 or very few of them recognize what I look like. 243 00:16:03,288 --> 00:16:04,687 - Oy, gevalt. - I almost... 244 00:16:04,689 --> 00:16:07,189 you didn't know that I was gonna wear this thing? 245 00:16:07,191 --> 00:16:09,758 Well, I heard that you were.. 246 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,961 I believe it's a positive value, other people disagree with me 247 00:16:12,963 --> 00:16:15,430 but I'm always wanna on the side of the consumer 248 00:16:15,432 --> 00:16:19,466 and, have a meal experience that's a.. 249 00:16:19,468 --> 00:16:21,468 Just like what a normal person would have. 250 00:16:21,470 --> 00:16:23,770 People have told me that there's pictures of me in the kitchen 251 00:16:23,772 --> 00:16:25,705 but it's with the mask on. 252 00:16:28,643 --> 00:16:30,509 I mean, I think it is essential to get 253 00:16:30,511 --> 00:16:34,079 an unbiased look at how a place is cooking 254 00:16:34,081 --> 00:16:37,382 because they will treat people 255 00:16:37,384 --> 00:16:40,251 that they know are writing about them very differently. 256 00:16:40,253 --> 00:16:43,454 Ruth reichl did that famous review of le cirque 257 00:16:43,456 --> 00:16:45,622 where she went in disguised as this sort of 258 00:16:45,624 --> 00:16:48,791 frumpy woman and got treated like garbage and then 259 00:16:48,793 --> 00:16:50,959 the next week went in dressed as herself and was treated 260 00:16:50,961 --> 00:16:55,095 like a queen and wrote a parallel review. 261 00:16:55,097 --> 00:16:57,063 I do all the stuff you're supposed to do. 262 00:16:57,065 --> 00:17:00,299 I always reserve under different names 263 00:17:00,301 --> 00:17:02,801 I switch up the names I reserve under 264 00:17:02,803 --> 00:17:05,336 I switch up the phone numbers that I reserve under. 265 00:17:05,338 --> 00:17:08,272 I mean, I have a whole series of throw away phones 266 00:17:08,274 --> 00:17:09,940 that I use just for reservations. 267 00:17:09,942 --> 00:17:11,775 It's... it's kind of like the 268 00:17:11,777 --> 00:17:14,744 it's... it's kind of like the fat man's version 269 00:17:14,746 --> 00:17:16,245 of the "bourne identity," I think. 270 00:17:38,132 --> 00:17:39,632 Sir, nice to see you again. How are you doing? 271 00:17:39,634 --> 00:17:41,967 - Good. How are you? - Awesome. That's really good. 272 00:17:41,969 --> 00:17:43,935 - Bonsoir. - Bonsoir. 273 00:17:43,937 --> 00:17:46,504 Hello. 274 00:17:46,506 --> 00:17:48,739 I never know when Jonathan is coming. 275 00:17:48,741 --> 00:17:50,640 I don't know the night before, you know, I don't know. 276 00:17:50,642 --> 00:17:53,609 It's really the last minute, you know, I never have a reservation 277 00:17:53,611 --> 00:17:55,377 for Jonathan gold, 6 people. 278 00:17:55,379 --> 00:17:59,280 No, it's another name and boom, he's here. 279 00:18:01,183 --> 00:18:02,782 Panic in the kitchen. 280 00:18:02,784 --> 00:18:06,752 The beans, the beans are fucking al dente, man, you eat the beans? 281 00:18:06,754 --> 00:18:09,621 You have nothing to do, John? You have nothing to do? 282 00:18:09,623 --> 00:18:11,623 No, I have stuff to do, but.. 283 00:18:11,625 --> 00:18:13,358 But what? 284 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:16,994 I'm always excited to cook for him because Jonathan gold 285 00:18:16,996 --> 00:18:21,365 is a critic who is very open to trying new things. 286 00:18:24,135 --> 00:18:26,769 My god. That's insane. 287 00:18:26,771 --> 00:18:29,271 I saw the corn on the cob when I came in 288 00:18:29,273 --> 00:18:31,840 so this is amazing to see it turned into this. 289 00:18:31,842 --> 00:18:34,442 This is great. 290 00:18:34,444 --> 00:18:37,545 So what makes ludo ludo? 291 00:18:37,547 --> 00:18:40,147 Part of it is growing up as a chef in a way 292 00:18:40,149 --> 00:18:42,716 that almost nobody does anymore. 293 00:18:42,718 --> 00:18:45,151 You know, having the good fortune 294 00:18:45,153 --> 00:18:46,852 to work his way up in the kitchen 295 00:18:46,854 --> 00:18:49,421 with three of the most interesting chefs in France 296 00:18:49,423 --> 00:18:53,958 and I think the way he just.. 297 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,093 He loves Los Angeles. 298 00:18:56,095 --> 00:18:58,895 He... he likes working with the produce here 299 00:18:58,897 --> 00:19:02,365 he likes the kind of people who live here. 300 00:19:02,367 --> 00:19:04,033 He wanted to do something that was personal 301 00:19:04,035 --> 00:19:07,403 that... that meant something to him as a chef 302 00:19:07,405 --> 00:19:10,639 and Los Angeles has always been the place 303 00:19:10,641 --> 00:19:12,574 certainly in the United States, where you can come 304 00:19:12,576 --> 00:19:16,911 and you can... Reinvent yourself. 305 00:19:16,913 --> 00:19:20,047 Sometimes as a chef we don't see what we create. 306 00:19:20,049 --> 00:19:21,681 When Jonathan gold gave me an amazing review 307 00:19:21,683 --> 00:19:25,918 for ludo bite in 2007, I did not realize what I create 308 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,552 but Jonathan opened my eyes. 309 00:19:27,554 --> 00:19:30,520 Wow! I just realized I created a new concept. 310 00:19:32,489 --> 00:19:36,591 Food and writing have gone together throughout history. 311 00:19:36,593 --> 00:19:38,426 If you look at France in the 18th century 312 00:19:38,428 --> 00:19:41,896 or China in the 12th century, there wasn't just food 313 00:19:41,898 --> 00:19:44,531 there, there was food and someone writing about it 314 00:19:44,533 --> 00:19:46,299 food and someone thinking about it 315 00:19:46,301 --> 00:19:49,535 and that relationship is what turned food from fuel 316 00:19:49,537 --> 00:19:51,803 to food into an art form. 317 00:19:51,805 --> 00:19:54,138 It's true of literature, it's true of plays 318 00:19:54,140 --> 00:19:56,440 it's true of all cultural art forms 319 00:19:56,442 --> 00:19:58,508 that writing is what made them digestible 320 00:19:58,510 --> 00:20:01,043 so to speak by the masses. 321 00:20:01,045 --> 00:20:02,577 You're trying to tell a story 322 00:20:02,579 --> 00:20:05,580 make that experience into something much bigger 323 00:20:05,582 --> 00:20:07,315 but at a certain point, everyone 324 00:20:07,317 --> 00:20:09,083 I mean, look at yelp, it's such an American thing 325 00:20:09,085 --> 00:20:12,019 where everyone then believes they are the critic 326 00:20:12,021 --> 00:20:13,153 and they are the expert. 327 00:20:23,397 --> 00:20:24,563 You know, now everybody thinks 328 00:20:24,565 --> 00:20:26,164 "I can go to a restaurant 329 00:20:26,166 --> 00:20:27,865 and write what I think about it." 330 00:20:27,867 --> 00:20:29,399 And if I use words like 331 00:20:29,401 --> 00:20:33,035 toothsome, you know, then, "hey, I'm... I'm a food writer." 332 00:20:33,037 --> 00:20:35,437 They all seem to use the word amazing now. 333 00:20:35,439 --> 00:20:39,007 "It's amazing! The Mexican corn is amazing!" 334 00:20:39,009 --> 00:20:41,442 You know, it's like, amazing doesn't tell me anything. 335 00:20:41,444 --> 00:20:43,076 What is the role of the critic 336 00:20:43,078 --> 00:20:44,577 is a question that's being asked 337 00:20:44,579 --> 00:20:47,613 and I think every area of culture right now 338 00:20:47,615 --> 00:20:49,748 because it's, like, "well, why do I need a food critic" 339 00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:51,783 "if I have yelp, and why do I need a book critic 340 00:20:51,785 --> 00:20:53,918 if I've got Amazon reviews?" 341 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,855 I think what a critic brings to the table is knowledge. 342 00:20:57,857 --> 00:21:02,226 You know that he's done his homework. 343 00:21:02,228 --> 00:21:04,394 You know, if you're really interested in a subject 344 00:21:04,396 --> 00:21:06,929 you are gonna find the critics that... that speak to you 345 00:21:06,931 --> 00:21:08,263 that you don't always agree with 346 00:21:08,265 --> 00:21:09,831 but that, that speak to you 347 00:21:09,833 --> 00:21:11,966 that you feel you'll learn something from 348 00:21:11,968 --> 00:21:13,834 that you... you found a new way 349 00:21:13,836 --> 00:21:16,569 of seeing something after reading what they had to say. 350 00:21:19,239 --> 00:21:21,707 The biggest thing in restaurants over 351 00:21:21,709 --> 00:21:24,676 say the last 40 years has been 352 00:21:24,678 --> 00:21:29,013 the introduction of diversity. 353 00:21:31,815 --> 00:21:35,083 When Craig claiborne in the '60s 354 00:21:35,085 --> 00:21:38,586 was reviewing expensive restaurants in New York 355 00:21:38,588 --> 00:21:41,088 they were almost all French. 356 00:21:41,090 --> 00:21:45,558 Then as you start to get cuisines from all over 357 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:50,361 you can't look at cuisine as a singular thing anymore. 358 00:21:50,363 --> 00:21:52,296 There can be a thousand different restaurants 359 00:21:52,298 --> 00:21:54,197 that are great in a thousand different ways. 360 00:22:01,505 --> 00:22:06,174 Two pieces of legislation in 1965 and in 1986 361 00:22:06,176 --> 00:22:09,510 increased the number of migrants 362 00:22:09,512 --> 00:22:14,614 abolished standard quotas which favored migration from Europe 363 00:22:14,616 --> 00:22:20,219 opened up, I... immigration to a much wider range of people. 364 00:22:20,221 --> 00:22:25,456 La was a leading edge in diversity population growth. 365 00:22:25,458 --> 00:22:29,059 The immigrant population has defined the country. 366 00:22:29,061 --> 00:22:32,028 It's defined Los Angeles. 367 00:22:32,030 --> 00:22:34,930 We are what we are because of our diversity. 368 00:22:44,439 --> 00:22:47,674 Green bean.. 369 00:22:47,676 --> 00:22:50,576 Carrot, bell pepper.. 370 00:22:50,578 --> 00:22:55,947 My name tui. I'm the chef of jitlada restaurant. 371 00:22:55,949 --> 00:22:59,483 I came America in 1996. 372 00:23:07,158 --> 00:23:12,094 I never went to cooking school, but I learned from my grand mom. 373 00:23:12,096 --> 00:23:15,130 She teach me everything, you know, like.. 374 00:23:15,132 --> 00:23:16,364 What is this, what is that.. 375 00:23:16,366 --> 00:23:20,101 Like, you know, how to grow the lemongrass 376 00:23:20,103 --> 00:23:25,105 how to grow the coconut, how to grow the turmeric. 377 00:23:25,107 --> 00:23:28,775 In 2006, I bought jitlada restaurant 378 00:23:28,777 --> 00:23:31,677 but at first we lost money. 379 00:23:31,679 --> 00:23:33,879 We're going to jitlada right now. 380 00:23:33,881 --> 00:23:37,682 It's my favorite thai restaurant in Los Angeles. 381 00:23:37,684 --> 00:23:39,483 It serves all kinds of thai food 382 00:23:39,485 --> 00:23:44,587 but what it specializes in is the extremely spicy, aromatic 383 00:23:44,589 --> 00:23:47,489 pungent cooking of Southern Thailand. 384 00:23:47,491 --> 00:23:50,792 "Warning, if you do not eat spicy food, do not order this." 385 00:23:50,794 --> 00:23:54,529 The... the spicier it is, actually the better it tastes 386 00:23:54,531 --> 00:23:55,997 because the flavors come into balance 387 00:23:55,999 --> 00:23:58,599 because that's the way it's designed. 388 00:23:58,601 --> 00:24:01,301 He have very good palate on his tongue 389 00:24:01,303 --> 00:24:04,370 because he can separate, like, "you have this in here." 390 00:24:04,372 --> 00:24:07,973 I... I start laughing. Especially with my thai coffee. 391 00:24:07,975 --> 00:24:11,009 No one in the whole wide world, even my family 392 00:24:11,011 --> 00:24:13,644 doesn't know what I put in there, but he know. 393 00:24:15,113 --> 00:24:17,914 I learned from the customer that Jonathan gold 394 00:24:17,916 --> 00:24:21,783 important for the people in America. 395 00:24:21,785 --> 00:24:23,317 And then one day he came here 396 00:24:23,319 --> 00:24:25,352 and they all laugh and they say. 397 00:24:25,354 --> 00:24:27,053 "Jonathan gold in front of you." 398 00:24:27,055 --> 00:24:30,823 And I remember my leg, shaking like this, like 399 00:24:30,825 --> 00:24:32,791 "my god, is it Jonathan gold?" 400 00:24:32,793 --> 00:24:35,727 But still I didn't know who is him, just the name. 401 00:24:38,197 --> 00:24:39,463 Well, thank you. 402 00:24:39,465 --> 00:24:41,231 If she, if she brought it out with this 403 00:24:41,233 --> 00:24:43,132 then you know it's hot. 404 00:24:43,134 --> 00:24:46,134 This is extra chili that you can pour on the beef if.. 405 00:24:55,542 --> 00:24:57,042 It's, it's spicy enough. 406 00:25:02,248 --> 00:25:03,280 No, it's fine. 407 00:25:04,148 --> 00:25:05,548 Oof. 408 00:25:05,550 --> 00:25:07,683 After he writes about our restaurant 409 00:25:07,685 --> 00:25:11,319 the people, they waiting, you know, before we open. 410 00:25:11,321 --> 00:25:12,787 They bring the newspaper. 411 00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:16,357 I want to eat Southern thai food, and after that 412 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,393 we are the famous restaurant everyone know. 413 00:25:28,202 --> 00:25:31,871 I, I feel, like a, so proud, you know 414 00:25:31,873 --> 00:25:34,273 if she like to learn in America, you know? 415 00:25:34,275 --> 00:25:38,376 Bye, thanks again. Your, your food is always so good. 416 00:25:38,378 --> 00:25:39,510 Well, thank you. 417 00:26:28,159 --> 00:26:29,893 One of the amazing things about Los Angeles 418 00:26:29,895 --> 00:26:33,696 is that there really is a thereness beneath the thereness. 419 00:26:37,167 --> 00:26:38,500 And of course, some people think 420 00:26:38,502 --> 00:26:41,102 what the hell is this place? 421 00:26:49,878 --> 00:26:53,380 I think that you can build a city any shape you like 422 00:26:53,382 --> 00:26:55,648 as long as it works. 423 00:26:55,650 --> 00:26:59,485 And you say, "works, Los Angeles works?" 424 00:26:59,487 --> 00:27:01,353 Everyone tells you that it doesn't work. 425 00:27:04,256 --> 00:27:07,291 Reyner banham's book came out in the early '70s 426 00:27:07,293 --> 00:27:10,560 and he was the first person who, I think made sense 427 00:27:10,562 --> 00:27:12,795 of Los Angeles for an awful lot of people. 428 00:27:12,797 --> 00:27:16,165 The changes that were occurring in Los Angeles 429 00:27:16,167 --> 00:27:19,401 were typical of a lot of changes that were happening 430 00:27:19,403 --> 00:27:21,469 in other cities in this country. 431 00:27:21,471 --> 00:27:25,306 And somehow or other, Los Angeles had got there first. 432 00:27:25,308 --> 00:27:28,309 Right then, Los Angeles needs some explaining 433 00:27:28,311 --> 00:27:30,144 because it's normally regarded 434 00:27:30,146 --> 00:27:32,779 as an unspeakable sprawling mess 435 00:27:32,781 --> 00:27:34,880 though certainly not by me. 436 00:27:36,983 --> 00:27:39,250 Pretty much all cities in the 19th century 437 00:27:39,252 --> 00:27:42,786 the 20th century, grew from the centre outward. 438 00:27:42,788 --> 00:27:44,954 Los Angeles was different. 439 00:27:44,956 --> 00:27:46,956 You were getting a post modern arrangement 440 00:27:46,958 --> 00:27:50,292 whereby their peripheries were more important than the centre. 441 00:27:50,294 --> 00:27:53,595 And all of these different centres have grown 442 00:27:53,597 --> 00:27:55,096 and they collided with each other 443 00:27:55,098 --> 00:27:59,900 into one giant megalopolis of 18 to 20 million people. 444 00:27:59,902 --> 00:28:03,970 And the city is so large and so sprawling and so diverse 445 00:28:03,972 --> 00:28:08,273 that it allows for the, the interseses between the major spaces 446 00:28:08,275 --> 00:28:12,510 to be occupied by people to create what they want. 447 00:28:12,512 --> 00:28:17,547 And this is where gold, as a critic of urban living comes in. 448 00:28:17,549 --> 00:28:20,049 He provides a map for us. 449 00:28:20,051 --> 00:28:24,053 His culinary mapping becomes a cartography of the region 450 00:28:24,055 --> 00:28:27,956 and through leading us, we come to understand our city. 451 00:28:30,693 --> 00:28:36,330 Los Angeles is a lot of self-contained communities. 452 00:28:36,332 --> 00:28:40,600 We have communities of people here 453 00:28:40,602 --> 00:28:42,902 who are not cooking for tourists 454 00:28:42,904 --> 00:28:45,671 and they're not cooking for the newspaper critic 455 00:28:45,673 --> 00:28:48,373 and they're not cooking for the glory of it. 456 00:28:48,375 --> 00:28:51,075 They're cooking because they're filling 457 00:28:51,077 --> 00:28:55,112 a specific need that their community has. 458 00:28:55,114 --> 00:28:59,616 Because of that, it becomes almost the... Anti-melting pot 459 00:28:59,618 --> 00:29:04,953 less a melting pot than sort of a great glittering mosaic. 460 00:29:10,425 --> 00:29:13,527 There's no end to the fun in the San Gabriel valley. 461 00:29:13,529 --> 00:29:15,829 And this is, El monte proper. 462 00:29:15,831 --> 00:29:19,465 Ca... can't you feel the electricity and excitement in the air? 463 00:29:19,467 --> 00:29:22,434 People not from Los Angeles sometimes don't understand 464 00:29:22,436 --> 00:29:24,803 the beauty you can find in mini malls. 465 00:29:24,805 --> 00:29:27,705 That's probably the best dim sum in town at the moment. 466 00:29:27,707 --> 00:29:30,741 That's the remaining, Chinese islamic restaurant. 467 00:29:30,743 --> 00:29:33,276 This, this is lupe's, this is the place I love. 468 00:29:33,278 --> 00:29:35,044 In case you think I love everything 469 00:29:35,046 --> 00:29:37,479 the stuff in that restaurant is absolutely disgusting. 470 00:29:40,783 --> 00:29:43,484 That place we just passed called pho huynh is famous 471 00:29:43,486 --> 00:29:46,119 for boiled ox penis in your pho. 472 00:29:46,121 --> 00:29:51,023 That place, has like the best, nim nong. 473 00:29:51,025 --> 00:29:52,758 You... you have another pho place. 474 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,893 Yeah, there is it. It says, "pho Kim." 475 00:29:54,895 --> 00:29:56,461 Or pho Kim? 476 00:29:56,463 --> 00:29:58,429 Which is.. 477 00:29:58,431 --> 00:30:02,132 Sometimes they don't, like, think these through. 478 00:30:02,134 --> 00:30:04,033 This is yee-Lou which is interesting 479 00:30:04,035 --> 00:30:06,970 because it's a really old-fashioned 480 00:30:06,972 --> 00:30:09,973 Chinese American place that's been taken over by Chinese 481 00:30:09,975 --> 00:30:12,008 who are doing Chinese American food 482 00:30:12,010 --> 00:30:15,211 as an exotic food for Chinese people to eat. 483 00:30:15,213 --> 00:30:17,580 In here is a nanjing kitchen 484 00:30:17,582 --> 00:30:21,250 which specializes in this duck dish that's just.. 485 00:30:21,252 --> 00:30:23,051 I'm not sure it's the most pleasurable duck in the world 486 00:30:23,053 --> 00:30:24,986 but it's perfect in its way. 487 00:30:24,988 --> 00:30:27,455 It's sort of a, a boiled duck with absolutely 488 00:30:27,457 --> 00:30:29,089 all the fat taken out of it. 489 00:30:30,691 --> 00:30:32,591 But there just happens to be 490 00:30:32,593 --> 00:30:34,559 you know, in this completely ordinary place 491 00:30:34,561 --> 00:30:36,594 there, there happens to be extraordinary food. 492 00:30:37,929 --> 00:30:41,164 It's the miracle of entry level capitalism I think. 493 00:31:00,215 --> 00:31:05,084 My name is genet agonafer, and I'm from Ethiopia. 494 00:31:05,086 --> 00:31:09,120 I cam 1981, Valentine's day with my son 495 00:31:09,122 --> 00:31:11,288 with my 5-year-old son. 496 00:31:11,290 --> 00:31:14,190 Lemeneh tefera is his name. 497 00:31:14,192 --> 00:31:17,893 I moved to la to provide my son with education 498 00:31:17,895 --> 00:31:21,796 and I was working as a waitress for many years. 499 00:31:21,798 --> 00:31:25,466 I raised my son being a waitress for many, many years. 500 00:31:25,468 --> 00:31:29,870 And that adorable son is my grown son now. 501 00:31:29,872 --> 00:31:31,638 I have another picture. 502 00:31:33,273 --> 00:31:37,009 This is when he graduated from medical school 503 00:31:37,011 --> 00:31:40,979 and he's been practicing medicine for 12 years. 504 00:31:43,215 --> 00:31:48,118 This space opened up and my generous son 505 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:53,690 took cash advance practically on all the credit cards he have 506 00:31:53,692 --> 00:31:55,924 and opened it for me. 507 00:31:57,993 --> 00:32:03,096 I was very busy at first, and then 9/11 came 508 00:32:03,098 --> 00:32:06,099 and then just completely at a standstill 509 00:32:06,101 --> 00:32:10,770 and my son was pumping money to keep the place alive. 510 00:32:10,772 --> 00:32:14,539 And then all of the sudden, the review came 511 00:32:14,541 --> 00:32:18,209 and I was, like, "my god." 512 00:32:18,211 --> 00:32:22,612 Every day I would have people out lining up. 513 00:32:22,614 --> 00:32:24,146 Celebrities come. 514 00:32:24,148 --> 00:32:29,017 I could not cook the doro wat fast enough. 515 00:32:29,019 --> 00:32:34,555 But for me, it was so important to tell my son I could succeed 516 00:32:34,557 --> 00:32:38,525 and whenever he comes here, now he's just so proud. 517 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,902 It takes a special temperament to be a food critic. 518 00:32:50,904 --> 00:32:54,805 You need to have, you know, a mixture of, sort of 519 00:32:54,807 --> 00:32:58,475 ego, and, 520 00:32:58,477 --> 00:33:01,578 and-and interest and obsessi with food 521 00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:03,379 that very few people have. 522 00:33:05,582 --> 00:33:08,350 My first year out of college, I was working downtown 523 00:33:08,352 --> 00:33:12,654 as a proofreader, and I was bored out of my mind. 524 00:33:12,656 --> 00:33:15,423 So I decided to make it my project to eat 525 00:33:15,425 --> 00:33:19,026 at every restaurant on pico boulevard. 526 00:33:21,329 --> 00:33:25,398 Pico boulevard is kind of Los Angeles' back porch. 527 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:30,769 It goes through a remarkable swath of town. 528 00:33:30,771 --> 00:33:32,904 There's a place called the El Salvador cafe 529 00:33:32,906 --> 00:33:34,372 on the eastern end. 530 00:33:34,374 --> 00:33:37,575 That was one of the first salvadoran places in town 531 00:33:37,577 --> 00:33:41,778 and way at the Santa Monica end was a place called tom's no. 5 532 00:33:41,780 --> 00:33:44,247 which had my favorite chili fries in town. 533 00:33:44,249 --> 00:33:46,182 Those were really good chili fries. 534 00:33:48,185 --> 00:33:51,720 Pico, in a certain sense was where I learned to eat. 535 00:33:51,722 --> 00:33:55,556 I also saw my first punk rock show on pico, was shot at 536 00:33:55,558 --> 00:33:58,825 fell in love, bowled a 164 537 00:33:58,827 --> 00:34:01,494 witnessed a knife fight, took cello lessons 538 00:34:01,496 --> 00:34:03,796 raised chickens, ate oki dogs 539 00:34:03,798 --> 00:34:08,032 and heard x ice-cube hole and Willie Dixon perform 540 00:34:08,034 --> 00:34:09,034 though not together. 541 00:34:10,668 --> 00:34:13,036 It was fascinating to go every night 542 00:34:13,038 --> 00:34:16,606 and to sit into a place and have my plate of rice and beans 543 00:34:16,608 --> 00:34:20,643 or my papusas and listen to the dialogue around me 544 00:34:20,645 --> 00:34:22,911 to look at the stacks of newspapers people were reading 545 00:34:22,913 --> 00:34:25,246 to, you know, seeing what was on the TV 546 00:34:25,248 --> 00:34:27,248 that was perpetually on in the corner 547 00:34:27,250 --> 00:34:29,984 to see what people were talking about. 548 00:34:29,986 --> 00:34:34,487 I gradually started to find things out that I didn't know. 549 00:34:34,489 --> 00:34:38,057 The Mexican restaurants weren't all just Mexican restaurants 550 00:34:38,059 --> 00:34:41,226 and they were from different regions of Mexico. 551 00:34:41,228 --> 00:34:43,094 This was the time in the early '80s 552 00:34:43,096 --> 00:34:45,729 when the wars were bad in central America 553 00:34:45,731 --> 00:34:48,798 a lot of people migrated to Los Angeles. 554 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,400 And they started out selling street food 555 00:34:51,402 --> 00:34:53,201 then they opened little restaurants 556 00:34:53,203 --> 00:34:57,538 and by the time I was in the middle of my project 557 00:34:57,540 --> 00:35:00,607 they had colonized an entire strip. 558 00:35:02,443 --> 00:35:04,777 I learned this very quickly as a journalist 559 00:35:04,779 --> 00:35:06,712 that if you randomly go up to somebody on the street 560 00:35:06,714 --> 00:35:07,979 and start talking to them 561 00:35:07,981 --> 00:35:10,514 they're probably not gonna talk to you 562 00:35:10,516 --> 00:35:13,817 they're gonna think you're odd and brush you off. 563 00:35:13,819 --> 00:35:18,054 But if you're doing it in a restaurant.. 564 00:35:18,056 --> 00:35:20,156 You have a context in which to be 565 00:35:20,158 --> 00:35:23,092 so you'll sit down and they'll feed you 566 00:35:23,094 --> 00:35:26,260 and they'll be nice to you, and maybe there'll be some gossip. 567 00:35:27,695 --> 00:35:29,729 It was the year that I got to know. 568 00:35:29,731 --> 00:35:33,032 Los Angeles as Los Angeles. 569 00:35:50,049 --> 00:35:51,983 Hello-o-o. Hello, there, darling. 570 00:35:51,985 --> 00:35:53,784 How are you? Okay. 571 00:35:53,786 --> 00:35:55,285 You saw what I wrote, right? 572 00:35:55,287 --> 00:35:56,953 I answered somebody's tweet. 573 00:35:56,955 --> 00:36:01,423 I said, you know, "yeah, he'll do a Kuala Lumpur restaurant" 574 00:36:01,425 --> 00:36:02,905 but what, there's, like, one of them. 575 00:36:04,527 --> 00:36:05,926 Yeah, and... and then another person said 576 00:36:05,928 --> 00:36:07,827 "he'll run out of restaurants in koreatown." 577 00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:11,530 I... I refrained from saying, there are 900 restaurants in koreatown. 578 00:36:11,532 --> 00:36:14,366 It's not gonna happen in your lifetime, buddy. 579 00:36:14,368 --> 00:36:16,835 I seem to be going through a Korean foods fixation. 580 00:36:17,803 --> 00:36:20,137 Welcome back to "good food" 581 00:36:20,139 --> 00:36:23,140 it's that time where we check in with our resident gourmand 582 00:36:23,142 --> 00:36:26,243 on where to eat this weekend in Los Angeles. 583 00:36:26,245 --> 00:36:27,510 So where are we going? 584 00:36:27,512 --> 00:36:29,812 We're going to a restaurant called soban. 585 00:36:29,814 --> 00:36:31,580 And what is their specialty? 586 00:36:31,582 --> 00:36:34,649 They're specialty is galbi Jim. They're famous... 587 00:36:34,651 --> 00:36:37,318 I remember the first time I went to a Jonathan gold 588 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,220 approved restaurant from the "la weekly" 589 00:36:40,222 --> 00:36:42,355 and, you know, you drive into a mini mall 590 00:36:42,357 --> 00:36:44,056 and you're, like, "really?" 591 00:36:44,058 --> 00:36:47,426 You know, "really? I'm not gonna be waylaid?" 592 00:36:47,428 --> 00:36:50,495 I'm... I'm not gonna be mugged walking into this place? 593 00:36:50,497 --> 00:36:53,831 And you walk in and it's, like, "yeah, it's people 594 00:36:53,833 --> 00:36:55,999 it's just people." 595 00:36:56,001 --> 00:36:57,567 This isn't the El bulli of sandwich shops 596 00:36:57,569 --> 00:37:00,169 but he does, kind of, use his toys 597 00:37:00,171 --> 00:37:02,404 in making them which makes a lot of it fun. 598 00:37:02,406 --> 00:37:05,407 He's so much more than a food writer. 599 00:37:05,409 --> 00:37:08,276 Jonathan is a cultural commentator 600 00:37:08,278 --> 00:37:11,912 who uses food and restaurants as a way 601 00:37:11,914 --> 00:37:16,115 of creating these little commentaries on modern life. 602 00:37:19,218 --> 00:37:22,153 I've been eating lately at chego, the new restaurant 603 00:37:22,155 --> 00:37:26,723 from kogi auteur Roy choi, the architect of the truck-based 604 00:37:26,725 --> 00:37:29,258 restaurant phenomenon, and the only chef I know 605 00:37:29,260 --> 00:37:31,326 whose food is capable of attracting 606 00:37:31,328 --> 00:37:35,162 several hundred people to an eagle rock parking lot at midnight. 607 00:37:36,597 --> 00:37:38,831 Chego specializes in rice bowls 608 00:37:38,833 --> 00:37:41,767 wavy, baroque constructions that splice 609 00:37:41,769 --> 00:37:44,903 all the flavors of the city into great splooshes 610 00:37:44,905 --> 00:37:47,338 of combinatorial DNA. 611 00:37:47,340 --> 00:37:51,108 Pickled watermelon radish, sauteed ong choi 612 00:37:51,110 --> 00:37:55,178 crumbled cotija cheese and a spurting slab of pork belly 613 00:37:55,180 --> 00:37:58,881 that's been burnished as lovingly with Korean chili paste 614 00:37:58,883 --> 00:38:03,051 as a '64 impala show car has been rubbed with lacquer. 615 00:38:03,053 --> 00:38:04,652 David! 616 00:38:04,654 --> 00:38:07,388 Kogi's taco is a new paradigm of a restaurant 617 00:38:07,390 --> 00:38:10,290 an art directed take on Korean street food 618 00:38:10,292 --> 00:38:14,860 previously unimaginable in both California and Seoul. 619 00:38:14,862 --> 00:38:16,995 Cheap, unbelievably delicious 620 00:38:16,997 --> 00:38:20,098 and unmistakably from Los Angeles. 621 00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:22,433 Food that makes you feel plugged into the rhythms 622 00:38:22,435 --> 00:38:25,001 of this city just by eating it. 623 00:38:27,104 --> 00:38:29,171 We're working on some new dishes right now. 624 00:38:29,173 --> 00:38:32,275 This is, it's summertime here in Los Angeles 625 00:38:32,277 --> 00:38:35,278 so we're working on a tomato, watermelon, goat cheese 626 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,948 thai basil, soy, chili, lemongrass dish. 627 00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:42,217 In all of my properties, the only litmus test is 628 00:38:42,219 --> 00:38:46,787 when we eat it, can I just throw this down and say, "fuck." 629 00:38:46,789 --> 00:38:49,322 If we say that, then, then, 630 00:38:49,324 --> 00:38:52,124 then the dish makes it to the menu. 631 00:38:52,126 --> 00:38:55,893 The small kitchen keeps us together, keeps us focused. 632 00:38:55,895 --> 00:38:57,194 There's nowhere to move around 633 00:38:57,196 --> 00:39:00,297 so you have to be really creative and move here, boom. 634 00:39:00,299 --> 00:39:04,100 It's all about muscle memory, boom, boom, boom. 635 00:39:04,102 --> 00:39:07,336 It's fun, it makes for a lot of jokes too 636 00:39:07,338 --> 00:39:10,906 because we bump asses with each other all the time. 637 00:39:10,908 --> 00:39:11,973 Especially right here. 638 00:39:11,975 --> 00:39:13,741 This is the danger zone right here. 639 00:39:15,611 --> 00:39:18,378 You know, the weird thing about my... my first interaction 640 00:39:18,380 --> 00:39:21,347 with Jonathan is, he helped me figure out 641 00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:22,881 what we were trying to do. 642 00:39:22,883 --> 00:39:24,682 Kind of like," this is what kogi is." 643 00:39:24,684 --> 00:39:26,250 We're kind of, like, this justice league 644 00:39:26,252 --> 00:39:29,419 of, like, kind of weird, warped super heroes 645 00:39:29,421 --> 00:39:31,421 that came together to feed the city, you know. 646 00:39:32,589 --> 00:39:36,258 When he writes about me, he understands.. 647 00:39:36,260 --> 00:39:38,860 And is able to articulate the little 648 00:39:38,862 --> 00:39:41,595 kind of secret, you know.. 649 00:39:43,397 --> 00:39:45,564 You know, tangled webs I have inside 650 00:39:45,566 --> 00:39:49,200 that I'm trying to put out into the plate. 651 00:39:49,202 --> 00:39:50,334 He, like, understands it. 652 00:39:50,336 --> 00:39:51,468 I never explained it to him. 653 00:39:51,470 --> 00:39:54,704 He gets exactly where that came from. 654 00:39:54,706 --> 00:39:57,406 Like, we were trying to recreate.. 655 00:39:59,041 --> 00:40:03,410 How Asian kids grow up and eat in their home 656 00:40:03,412 --> 00:40:05,278 and what their refrigerators look like 657 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,446 but also how stoners eat. 658 00:40:07,448 --> 00:40:11,916 In that first review, he was able to capture that moment 659 00:40:11,918 --> 00:40:14,451 you know, of... of what was happening. 660 00:40:15,853 --> 00:40:18,120 Anthony! 661 00:40:25,661 --> 00:40:27,194 I kind of like that Italian beef. 662 00:40:27,196 --> 00:40:30,363 They have those Italian beef sandwiches that's marinated. 663 00:40:30,365 --> 00:40:31,764 Alice always said it was marinated 664 00:40:31,766 --> 00:40:34,366 because it was such crappy meat that they have to marinate. 665 00:40:34,368 --> 00:40:38,169 Modern food writing starts with Calvin trillin. 666 00:40:38,171 --> 00:40:39,870 He was saying, that, you know, everyone reveres 667 00:40:39,872 --> 00:40:42,239 these French restaurants that no one wants to eat at 668 00:40:42,241 --> 00:40:44,541 and you know, and it's the, the colloquial food 669 00:40:44,543 --> 00:40:47,277 that's really important, and I think that's, you know 670 00:40:47,279 --> 00:40:50,613 that was, like, the battle call for both Jonathan and for Robert 671 00:40:50,615 --> 00:40:54,617 and then for a lot of people who have followed after. 672 00:40:54,619 --> 00:40:56,151 Alright, what are we gonna do here, Jonathan? 673 00:40:56,153 --> 00:40:59,587 You're the guy, you're the expert, you're the food guy. 674 00:40:59,589 --> 00:41:02,389 I was probably a sophomore in college 675 00:41:02,391 --> 00:41:04,924 and I, I was house sitting. 676 00:41:04,926 --> 00:41:07,359 Among the books in the study was "American fried" 677 00:41:07,361 --> 00:41:09,494 you know, Calvin trillin's first book. 678 00:41:09,496 --> 00:41:15,098 And I read it, and I was utterly fascinated by it. 679 00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:18,134 I read "American fried" and "Alice, let's eat" 680 00:41:18,136 --> 00:41:19,935 so many times. 681 00:41:19,937 --> 00:41:24,872 Yeah, I... I imitated him absolutely blindly when I started. 682 00:41:24,874 --> 00:41:26,773 Trillin was writing about eating 683 00:41:26,775 --> 00:41:30,510 he was writing about the culture of eating 684 00:41:30,512 --> 00:41:35,748 and it was obviously the way to go. 685 00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:37,850 You know, I always say that if I'm in a strange town 686 00:41:37,852 --> 00:41:41,820 and I don't know where to eat, I go up to the motel clerk 687 00:41:41,822 --> 00:41:44,088 grab him by the necktie and pull him over the counter 688 00:41:44,090 --> 00:41:45,889 just to get his attention 689 00:41:45,891 --> 00:41:50,726 and I say, "not where you took your parents" 690 00:41:50,728 --> 00:41:53,295 "for their 25th wedding anniversary 691 00:41:53,297 --> 00:41:55,897 "the place you went to the night you got home 692 00:41:55,899 --> 00:41:58,399 after 13 months in Korea." 693 00:41:58,401 --> 00:42:00,901 And the second place is really good. 694 00:42:00,903 --> 00:42:02,869 And I think your... your idea 695 00:42:02,871 --> 00:42:05,338 has become almost the norm now 696 00:42:05,340 --> 00:42:08,607 that if you're gonna be a newspaper critic or a writer 697 00:42:08,609 --> 00:42:11,977 in a, in a big town, you better 698 00:42:11,979 --> 00:42:15,347 you know, know among the 6 good rib stands 699 00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:17,115 which, which is up and which is down. 700 00:42:17,117 --> 00:42:19,750 Why? That didn't used to be true. 701 00:43:00,458 --> 00:43:04,394 This... this is, king taco which is beloved. 702 00:43:05,596 --> 00:43:07,563 It's not necessarily my favorite 703 00:43:07,565 --> 00:43:12,767 but it's very good tacos, you know, pretty good al pastor 704 00:43:12,769 --> 00:43:14,602 and one of the great things about it is they actually 705 00:43:14,604 --> 00:43:17,972 have a truck parked outside the restaurant 706 00:43:17,974 --> 00:43:21,442 sort of this canopy, place of honor 707 00:43:21,444 --> 00:43:24,077 and if you come on a weekend night, there'll be 708 00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:27,080 an hour wait for the truck, and you can walk right up 709 00:43:27,082 --> 00:43:30,249 to the counter at the restaurant itself. 710 00:43:30,251 --> 00:43:32,317 I've had the tacos at the truck and at the restaurant 711 00:43:32,319 --> 00:43:36,254 and it's correct, you actually do want the ones from the truck 712 00:43:36,256 --> 00:43:42,559 but it's, I've always wondered why the taco 713 00:43:42,561 --> 00:43:44,193 honors the truck so much. 714 00:43:45,662 --> 00:43:51,065 My theory is that taco eating is... It's almost a verb. 715 00:43:51,067 --> 00:43:52,800 Taco should be a verb, right.. 716 00:43:52,802 --> 00:43:57,004 The... the, the tortilla, the tortilla's hot, the... the, the meat's hot 717 00:43:57,006 --> 00:44:00,807 they combine, the sauce is sloshed on it 718 00:44:00,809 --> 00:44:03,376 and then you're almost eating it in one continuous motion 719 00:44:03,378 --> 00:44:06,578 from the way it comes from the grill to the guy to the counter. 720 00:44:08,614 --> 00:44:11,015 I know it's overly romantic. 721 00:44:41,775 --> 00:44:43,342 Yeah. 722 00:44:44,277 --> 00:44:46,645 Yeah, that was a great place. 723 00:44:46,647 --> 00:44:49,247 And speaking of that.. 724 00:44:50,582 --> 00:44:52,549 If, if we're looking for somebody for the picnic 725 00:44:52,551 --> 00:44:55,251 if we're doing a sandwich thing.. 726 00:44:55,253 --> 00:44:56,652 I mean, there's some interesting people 727 00:44:56,654 --> 00:45:00,188 doing sandwiches right now, but, Fred Eric 728 00:45:00,190 --> 00:45:02,523 has this new place attached to his tiara 729 00:45:02,525 --> 00:45:04,725 called delish. 730 00:45:04,727 --> 00:45:08,028 I'm definitely a great procrastinator. 731 00:45:08,030 --> 00:45:09,929 I suppose when I need to have an attention span for something. 732 00:45:09,931 --> 00:45:13,598 I... I have an attention span for something, but.. 733 00:45:15,334 --> 00:45:18,702 It's... it's, it's hard, it's hard to explain. 734 00:45:20,304 --> 00:45:22,505 So for some reason you wanted that, right? 735 00:45:22,507 --> 00:45:25,841 Yeah, that was great. I think that's perfect. 736 00:45:25,843 --> 00:45:29,210 I mean, o... otherwise I would have sent the call away. 737 00:45:31,414 --> 00:45:34,114 A... as is my want. 738 00:45:34,116 --> 00:45:35,815 Keep as new.. 739 00:45:35,817 --> 00:45:37,383 Maybe if the Internet went away 740 00:45:37,385 --> 00:45:42,587 but even before the Internet, I mean, I would always find 741 00:45:42,589 --> 00:45:44,989 you know, 12 books and 17 magazines 742 00:45:44,991 --> 00:45:47,358 I had to read before I could finish an article. 743 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,361 Now, I have the attention span of a gnat. 744 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,034 Being Jonathan's editor 745 00:45:58,036 --> 00:46:02,137 it's like being someone's, like, teenage stalker for me. 746 00:46:02,139 --> 00:46:04,439 I knew he won't turn his piece in 747 00:46:04,441 --> 00:46:06,507 even if he agrees to do it 748 00:46:06,509 --> 00:46:08,909 and then I realized that what it was gonna take 749 00:46:08,911 --> 00:46:13,446 would be, you know, bordering on psychotic levels 750 00:46:13,448 --> 00:46:17,782 of, of e-mail and phone and text harassment. 751 00:46:20,952 --> 00:46:23,887 I'll call when I get back. 752 00:46:27,591 --> 00:46:30,726 You know, actually I went to somebody who specialized in writer's block. 753 00:46:30,728 --> 00:46:36,297 I mean, that was her thing, and she just threw her hands up 754 00:46:36,299 --> 00:46:39,366 and usually I do writer's block, I do people who can't write. 755 00:46:39,368 --> 00:46:42,402 There's something that keeps them from writing 756 00:46:42,404 --> 00:46:48,641 yet you publish 150,000 words a year. Clearly you're writing. 757 00:46:48,643 --> 00:46:52,711 That, I'm not, I don't deny that what you're experiencing 758 00:46:52,713 --> 00:46:55,780 is something, but I have no idea what it is. 759 00:46:55,782 --> 00:46:58,282 I mean, I could sit down and I can say that 760 00:46:58,284 --> 00:46:59,816 "you need to do this piece a week early" 761 00:46:59,818 --> 00:47:04,219 but I end up like, you know, torturing one paragraph for 762 00:47:04,221 --> 00:47:06,622 you know, 3 and a half days 763 00:47:06,624 --> 00:47:08,457 and then somebody calls and starts yelling at me 764 00:47:08,459 --> 00:47:12,193 and the rest of the piece will be done in an hour and a half. 765 00:47:14,763 --> 00:47:17,030 So... Alright. 766 00:47:17,032 --> 00:47:18,998 What else we need to talk about is what you think 767 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,767 you might be doing in terms of reviews for the next couple of weeks. 768 00:47:22,769 --> 00:47:26,270 I think next week will be, 769 00:47:26,272 --> 00:47:29,606 this new szechuan restaurant in.. 770 00:47:31,342 --> 00:47:32,909 Surprise, alhambra. 771 00:47:35,146 --> 00:47:39,781 That, is called the chengdu taste. 772 00:47:39,783 --> 00:47:42,884 Like, there's, there's a dish on the menu 773 00:47:42,886 --> 00:47:44,919 called intriguingly enough.. 774 00:47:47,155 --> 00:47:50,157 Little sister's spicy rabbit. 775 00:47:50,159 --> 00:47:51,625 Yeah, great. 776 00:47:51,627 --> 00:47:53,526 I don't think they're actually cooking... 777 00:47:53,528 --> 00:47:54,793 rabbit? 778 00:47:54,795 --> 00:47:56,327 It's rabbit, but I don't think 779 00:47:56,329 --> 00:47:58,262 it's, like, the little sister's rabbit. 780 00:47:58,264 --> 00:48:00,797 I think it's in the style of.. 781 00:48:01,965 --> 00:48:04,132 The way a little sister would make it 782 00:48:04,134 --> 00:48:05,366 unless it actually was... 783 00:48:05,368 --> 00:48:09,436 I sort of regard him some days as my younger 784 00:48:09,438 --> 00:48:11,538 much smarter little brother 785 00:48:11,540 --> 00:48:14,474 and I'm the first born, and I'm the responsible one 786 00:48:14,476 --> 00:48:16,776 and I have to make the trains run on time 787 00:48:16,778 --> 00:48:21,247 and he's the funny, smart, talented one, and I, 788 00:48:21,249 --> 00:48:24,183 there's probably some love buried down there deep inside 789 00:48:24,185 --> 00:48:26,618 but 790 00:48:29,655 --> 00:48:33,157 it's, sometimes the role is difficult to play. 791 00:48:33,159 --> 00:48:35,492 So, how difficult, alright 792 00:48:35,494 --> 00:48:38,995 is it gonna be to photograph there? 793 00:48:38,997 --> 00:48:40,496 Is there gonna be a language barrier? 794 00:48:40,498 --> 00:48:42,130 There is gonna be a language barrier. 795 00:48:42,132 --> 00:48:43,898 We need to take care of that this afternoon. 796 00:48:43,900 --> 00:48:46,267 - Okay, I'll do that. - Okay, - 797 00:48:46,269 --> 00:48:47,368 - you come up with the cattle prod 798 00:48:47,370 --> 00:48:48,369 I'll come up with the copy. 799 00:48:48,371 --> 00:48:49,770 Awesome. 800 00:48:53,574 --> 00:48:55,474 Chengdu taste. 801 00:48:55,476 --> 00:48:57,375 Everybody's excited about it. 802 00:48:57,377 --> 00:49:00,244 Not 'cause we haven't had chengdu style food here before 803 00:49:00,246 --> 00:49:05,481 but the sort of freshness, the, the vividness of the flavors 804 00:49:05,483 --> 00:49:08,150 the fact that everything is not just lashed 805 00:49:08,152 --> 00:49:12,720 with oceans of chili oil 806 00:49:12,722 --> 00:49:15,322 makes it sort of a really appealing place. 807 00:49:16,824 --> 00:49:19,358 One thing that I try never, never to do 808 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,427 is to pretend expertise that I don't have. 809 00:49:22,429 --> 00:49:25,062 I like to come to it the way 810 00:49:25,064 --> 00:49:28,331 that I assume most of my readers are gonna come to it.. 811 00:49:28,333 --> 00:49:31,534 That I don't necessarily, no more than they do 812 00:49:31,536 --> 00:49:36,171 and I find out chengdu is the largest city 813 00:49:36,173 --> 00:49:38,840 and the capital of sichuan proper. 814 00:49:38,842 --> 00:49:41,742 It's inland, so there's probably not gonna be 815 00:49:41,744 --> 00:49:43,210 a lot of sea food.. 816 00:49:44,445 --> 00:49:46,212 Although these pictures are all, like 817 00:49:46,214 --> 00:49:48,781 you know, abalone crab. 818 00:49:51,851 --> 00:49:55,820 I very rarely take notes in a restaurant. 819 00:49:55,822 --> 00:50:01,158 I'm more involved in, sort of, observing the music of the meal. 820 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,861 I mean, you could take notes when you're having sex too 821 00:50:04,863 --> 00:50:08,531 but you'd, sort of, be missing out on something 822 00:50:08,533 --> 00:50:11,700 and I go to restaurants usually 4 or 5 times 823 00:50:11,702 --> 00:50:13,501 before I review them. 824 00:50:13,503 --> 00:50:18,505 In the case of places where the cuisine is unfamiliar to me 825 00:50:18,507 --> 00:50:21,374 I may go many, many more times than that. 826 00:50:21,376 --> 00:50:23,909 I think my record is 17. 827 00:50:31,851 --> 00:50:35,854 Let's get the... The fish with green chili. 828 00:50:35,856 --> 00:50:38,423 They... they don't have that chicken dish you like 829 00:50:38,425 --> 00:50:39,624 but they have, - 830 00:50:39,626 --> 00:50:41,258 - that's okay. I mean, I don't... 831 00:50:41,260 --> 00:50:44,894 - And the wonton with... - Okay. 832 00:50:44,896 --> 00:50:46,095 I've been thinking that you'll like 833 00:50:46,097 --> 00:50:47,729 the water boiled fish. 834 00:50:47,731 --> 00:50:50,698 A lot of, sichuan peppercorn.. 835 00:51:09,282 --> 00:51:11,616 Hi, how are you today? Nice to see you again. 836 00:51:11,618 --> 00:51:13,851 Nice to see you too. Thanks. 837 00:51:16,554 --> 00:51:18,354 I mean the sense of discovery of eating 838 00:51:18,356 --> 00:51:22,091 something you've never had before is exhilarating. 839 00:51:22,093 --> 00:51:26,027 But what's even better I think is 840 00:51:26,029 --> 00:51:29,330 you get through the exhilaration 841 00:51:29,332 --> 00:51:31,198 you go through the infatuation phase 842 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,800 for the next couple of meals and then maybe 843 00:51:33,802 --> 00:51:38,937 if you're really lucky, you get to the place of understanding. 844 00:51:38,939 --> 00:51:42,573 I mean, I wouldn't pretend to know anything at all 845 00:51:42,575 --> 00:51:47,044 about Burma from having had two dozen Burmese meals, right? 846 00:51:47,046 --> 00:51:50,781 But there was, certainly a point where I thought 847 00:51:50,783 --> 00:51:53,517 I knew something about Burma for having that 848 00:51:53,519 --> 00:51:57,187 and it's, like, seeing a movie or something 849 00:51:57,189 --> 00:51:58,588 like, seeing a documentary. 850 00:51:58,590 --> 00:52:00,590 It gives you the illusion of understanding things 851 00:52:00,592 --> 00:52:02,992 and maybe you have a different context to put things in 852 00:52:02,994 --> 00:52:06,862 and sometimes that's, that's all you can ask for 853 00:52:06,864 --> 00:52:10,332 and sometimes that's enough. 854 00:52:10,334 --> 00:52:12,634 No shortage of bean sprouts. 855 00:52:12,636 --> 00:52:14,469 The book that we oughta write 856 00:52:14,471 --> 00:52:18,039 would be some sort of popular, populist thing 857 00:52:18,041 --> 00:52:20,274 on all these communities and who runs what 858 00:52:20,276 --> 00:52:23,810 and all the stuff that I always wanna know the answer to. 859 00:52:23,812 --> 00:52:27,380 Between the two of us, the number of hours spent 860 00:52:27,382 --> 00:52:30,716 not writing that book.. 861 00:52:30,718 --> 00:52:32,584 It would be, it would take a lifetime 862 00:52:32,586 --> 00:52:34,418 not to write that book. 863 00:52:36,287 --> 00:52:38,287 - Yeah, sure. - Okay. 864 00:52:40,857 --> 00:52:43,859 You will probably find this chengdu style cooking 865 00:52:43,861 --> 00:52:46,595 lighter, cleaner, and less likely to wake you up 866 00:52:46,597 --> 00:52:50,165 in the middle of the night with chili oil induced nightmares. 867 00:52:50,167 --> 00:52:53,268 The food is still quite spicy, flavored with a vast array 868 00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:56,504 of fresh, dried, pickled and ground chilis. 869 00:52:56,506 --> 00:52:59,106 The almost electric charge of the peppercorns 870 00:52:59,108 --> 00:53:02,709 brings out the flavor of the filets and chilies. 871 00:53:02,711 --> 00:53:05,411 The taste flits around your lips and tongue 872 00:53:05,413 --> 00:53:08,947 with the weird vibrancy of a flashing las Vegas sign 873 00:53:08,949 --> 00:53:11,015 where the pepper sauce with the wonton 874 00:53:11,017 --> 00:53:13,450 obliterates everything in its path 875 00:53:13,452 --> 00:53:17,020 like a mysteriously pleasurable punch in the mouth. 876 00:53:43,981 --> 00:53:46,014 The little secret that people don't get about. 877 00:53:46,016 --> 00:53:50,017 Jonathan's writing is the way he uses the second person. 878 00:53:50,019 --> 00:53:52,252 He'll start a review something like 879 00:53:52,254 --> 00:53:55,888 you probably have found in the past 880 00:53:55,890 --> 00:53:59,358 that deer penis is not really worth the effort 881 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:04,195 that the, that the amount of gristle and fat and bone 882 00:54:04,197 --> 00:54:07,898 is just to high in proportion to the amount of stringy meat 883 00:54:07,900 --> 00:54:09,299 you're able to pull off, 884 00:54:09,301 --> 00:54:11,934 but that's because you've never had deer penis 885 00:54:11,936 --> 00:54:14,903 at this vietnamese restaurant that specializes in it. 886 00:54:14,905 --> 00:54:18,306 In the first paragraph, he's formed a bond with the reader. 887 00:54:18,308 --> 00:54:22,109 You know, you and I are people who eat deer penis 888 00:54:22,111 --> 00:54:24,611 and you know even though the readers 889 00:54:24,613 --> 00:54:27,880 even though 99.9% of his readers 890 00:54:27,882 --> 00:54:30,949 has never ordered or eaten deer penis 891 00:54:30,951 --> 00:54:33,851 he brings you to his table in a way that 892 00:54:33,853 --> 00:54:36,586 I've never seen another restaurant writer do. 893 00:54:40,924 --> 00:54:43,191 It takes great writing and great storytelling 894 00:54:43,193 --> 00:54:47,561 to elevate food criticism to what Jonathan does 895 00:54:47,563 --> 00:54:50,397 and Jonathan was the first pulitzer prize winner 896 00:54:50,399 --> 00:54:52,932 for food criticism. 897 00:54:52,934 --> 00:54:56,035 The fact that someone could write about food in such a way 898 00:54:56,037 --> 00:54:58,037 as to get the attention of people not in the food world 899 00:54:58,039 --> 00:55:01,673 but in the journalism world, in the cultural criticism world 900 00:55:01,675 --> 00:55:03,841 to me was hugely significant. 901 00:55:03,843 --> 00:55:08,645 I think the fact that he got the pulitzer for food criticism 902 00:55:08,647 --> 00:55:15,417 sort of put the stamp on food as a, a subject 903 00:55:15,419 --> 00:55:18,720 worthy of, of serious inquiry. 904 00:55:18,722 --> 00:55:21,155 Thank you, - are you guys interested in wine? 905 00:55:21,157 --> 00:55:22,956 - Coffee is fine. Thank you. - Right. Sounds good. 906 00:55:22,958 --> 00:55:24,691 Have you ever been on any kind of a diet? 907 00:55:24,693 --> 00:55:28,493 Have you ever made any sort of dietary restrictions? 908 00:55:28,495 --> 00:55:29,961 No. 909 00:55:33,198 --> 00:55:34,965 I mean, you've read all the stuff that, like 910 00:55:34,967 --> 00:55:37,000 cooking is actually what makes us human. 911 00:55:37,002 --> 00:55:41,403 Right. I had to explain to my 4 year old. Like, what's the diff.. 912 00:55:41,405 --> 00:55:42,537 It was like, she's like, "we're animals." 913 00:55:42,539 --> 00:55:43,672 I'm, like, "yeah, we're animals." She's like 914 00:55:43,674 --> 00:55:45,040 "so what makes us people?" 915 00:55:45,042 --> 00:55:47,275 And I was like, "well, we cook." 916 00:55:47,277 --> 00:55:49,043 And she seemed satisfied with that. 917 00:55:49,045 --> 00:55:50,978 That's the difference between me and a monkey 918 00:55:50,980 --> 00:55:53,180 because I will puree the banana for you 919 00:55:53,182 --> 00:55:55,849 and he will just throw it at you. 920 00:55:55,851 --> 00:55:57,417 So what's, what's your next thing 921 00:55:57,419 --> 00:55:59,485 for "lucky peach" going to be? 922 00:55:59,487 --> 00:56:01,453 Or what ideas can I steal from you 923 00:56:01,455 --> 00:56:03,354 and then put into "lucky peach?" 924 00:56:03,356 --> 00:56:05,222 I'm taking hagfish 925 00:56:05,224 --> 00:56:07,657 and you threatened to take me to the hagfish restaurant. 926 00:56:07,659 --> 00:56:09,492 I didn't threaten you, did you go to the hagfish restaurant? 927 00:56:09,494 --> 00:56:11,374 I have not yet been to the hagfish restaurant. 928 00:56:16,698 --> 00:56:18,932 I didn't think that you were fucking with me 929 00:56:18,934 --> 00:56:21,901 but your description of the hagfish.. 930 00:56:21,903 --> 00:56:25,170 Well, the first thing about the hagfish is that it's not 931 00:56:25,172 --> 00:56:28,039 really delicious. 932 00:56:28,041 --> 00:56:30,708 It's like eel, only a lot worse. 933 00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:33,410 Really? Like muddier? Blander? 934 00:56:33,412 --> 00:56:35,979 It's bla, it's blander 935 00:56:35,981 --> 00:56:40,516 and the filets are gelatinous 936 00:56:40,518 --> 00:56:42,417 but sort of everything about the hagfish 937 00:56:42,419 --> 00:56:44,118 is bothersome, right? 938 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,687 The fact that it's this weird hybrid 939 00:56:46,689 --> 00:56:48,188 of a vertebrate and invertebrate 940 00:56:48,190 --> 00:56:51,257 it's really sort of an early species and the.. 941 00:56:51,259 --> 00:56:54,293 It has a cranium, but it really has no other bones. 942 00:56:54,295 --> 00:56:57,062 - And then the slime thing. - And the slime thing. 943 00:56:57,064 --> 00:57:01,432 You could put a hagfish in a 5 gallon bucket of water 944 00:57:01,434 --> 00:57:06,336 and the bucket will turn to solid slime in seconds. 945 00:57:06,338 --> 00:57:08,738 Jonathan doesn't write about food because it's weird 946 00:57:08,740 --> 00:57:12,074 like that's not, I don't think that's ever a sole motivator 947 00:57:12,076 --> 00:57:15,677 though he is, like, uniquely good at finding 948 00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:18,513 horrible things to eat. 949 00:57:18,515 --> 00:57:23,350 He writes about it because people eat it 950 00:57:23,352 --> 00:57:25,552 and that's a part of their culture and their world 951 00:57:25,554 --> 00:57:29,155 and if you learn about that, then you're connected to them. 952 00:57:38,831 --> 00:57:42,700 Now we're going down Westwood boulevard 953 00:57:42,702 --> 00:57:45,369 and towards, what was for so many years 954 00:57:45,371 --> 00:57:48,472 junior's deli, which was the deli 955 00:57:48,474 --> 00:57:50,507 my family grew up going to. 956 00:57:50,509 --> 00:57:54,911 For, reformed Jewish families in Los Angeles 957 00:57:54,913 --> 00:57:59,515 sometimes like your deli is more telling 958 00:57:59,517 --> 00:58:03,318 of who you are and what your status is 959 00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,255 and how you grow up than the show you went to. 960 00:58:07,257 --> 00:58:09,290 If your family went to Nate'n al's 961 00:58:09,292 --> 00:58:11,959 you were, you were kind of fancy. 962 00:58:11,961 --> 00:58:15,629 If your family went to.. 963 00:58:15,631 --> 00:58:19,599 Labels table, you were probably 964 00:58:19,601 --> 00:58:22,201 pretty close to working class, but if your family was going 965 00:58:22,203 --> 00:58:24,870 to junior's, you were, you were doing alright. 966 00:58:42,521 --> 00:58:44,321 You ever been here before? 967 00:58:44,323 --> 00:58:46,056 No, I never have. 968 00:58:46,058 --> 00:58:47,824 It's kind of like a social scene in Tehran 969 00:58:47,826 --> 00:58:52,161 that's reproducing itself, like 30 years later. 970 00:58:54,264 --> 00:58:56,398 That's cool. 971 00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:57,832 It's funny that everybody thinks 972 00:58:57,834 --> 00:59:00,568 we had this sort of like gourmet upbringing, right? 973 00:59:00,570 --> 00:59:03,070 Just remembering the stuff that we ate when we were kids. 974 00:59:03,072 --> 00:59:04,204 What do you mean? 975 00:59:04,206 --> 00:59:06,539 Iceberg, salad.. 976 00:59:06,541 --> 00:59:10,409 Orange jello, French fries 977 00:59:10,411 --> 00:59:12,978 cream wafer sticks, and Dr. pepper. 978 00:59:12,980 --> 00:59:15,413 That was like the perfect meal. What are you talking about? 979 00:59:15,415 --> 00:59:17,181 When you describe it like that, it sounds like 980 00:59:17,183 --> 00:59:20,784 one of those typical last meals that prisoners request.. 981 00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,019 Before they go to the electric chair. 982 00:59:24,021 --> 00:59:25,120 We just had that a lot. 983 00:59:25,122 --> 00:59:28,056 We did have that a lot. 984 00:59:28,058 --> 00:59:30,925 So have you eaten any endangered species lately? 985 00:59:30,927 --> 00:59:32,493 Yes, I had an ortolan souffle. 986 00:59:32,495 --> 00:59:35,295 It was, it was delightful. 987 00:59:35,297 --> 00:59:37,397 My brother and I are pretty different. 988 00:59:37,399 --> 00:59:39,232 I mean, he's an environmentalist. 989 00:59:39,234 --> 00:59:43,335 He lives to save the ocean. 990 00:59:43,337 --> 00:59:47,072 And I'm the guy who bought the truck 991 00:59:47,074 --> 00:59:49,140 that was the single most polluting vehicle 992 00:59:49,142 --> 00:59:51,475 in consumer reports that year. 993 00:59:51,477 --> 00:59:55,178 I'm not proud of it, but mark definitely pointed it out to me. 994 00:59:55,180 --> 00:59:58,347 Dinner at the gold table was always a blood sport 995 00:59:58,349 --> 01:00:00,782 because all 3 of us brothers were always 996 01:00:00,784 --> 01:00:02,984 ragging on each other all the time. 997 01:00:02,986 --> 01:00:07,320 How can you say, "okay, this is an amazing Sushi place" 998 01:00:07,322 --> 01:00:09,155 and say, "don't eat the blue fin" 999 01:00:09,157 --> 01:00:11,790 when you're still getting people to go to that place? 1000 01:00:11,792 --> 01:00:15,326 Well, I'm, I'm subtler than that. 1001 01:00:15,328 --> 01:00:17,928 Yes and no. 1002 01:00:17,930 --> 01:00:21,164 You're the one who was on a Korean whale eating tour. 1003 01:00:21,166 --> 01:00:23,099 I have to be an environmentalist 1004 01:00:23,101 --> 01:00:26,402 because Jonathan's eating everything I'm trying to save. 1005 01:00:26,404 --> 01:00:28,771 The question is whether or not you go to the point 1006 01:00:28,773 --> 01:00:31,874 o... of using a regulatory mechanism to have this country 1007 01:00:31,876 --> 01:00:33,375 lead by example. 1008 01:00:33,377 --> 01:00:36,010 I've often thought that one of my biggest achievements 1009 01:00:36,012 --> 01:00:42,048 was getting my brother to write and op-ed piece on a bill 1010 01:00:42,050 --> 01:00:46,085 that we were pushing to ban on the sale of shark fin products 1011 01:00:46,087 --> 01:00:47,786 in the state of California. 1012 01:00:47,788 --> 01:00:49,721 Believe me, I'd like to see, you know 1013 01:00:49,723 --> 01:00:51,622 shark's fin soup banned tomorrow.. 1014 01:00:51,624 --> 01:00:55,292 It took me 4 months to get him to write that piece 1015 01:00:55,294 --> 01:00:59,295 but I read his piece and my anger melted away. 1016 01:00:59,297 --> 01:01:01,563 "But as much as you might love conpoy 1017 01:01:01,565 --> 01:01:06,066 "dried flotation bladders, crab eggs, braised fish cheeks 1018 01:01:06,068 --> 01:01:09,035 "and the other esoterica of cantonese seafood cooking 1019 01:01:09,037 --> 01:01:11,237 "it is hard to work up an appetite 1020 01:01:11,239 --> 01:01:14,340 for the bitter taste of extinction." 1021 01:01:14,342 --> 01:01:17,042 I had people who worked on the bill say that that was one 1022 01:01:17,044 --> 01:01:19,778 of the most critical aspects of the entire campaign 1023 01:01:19,780 --> 01:01:23,214 to get the bill passed, and so the power of how well he writes 1024 01:01:23,216 --> 01:01:24,376 really made a big difference. 1025 01:01:29,954 --> 01:01:31,220 My dad always wanted to be a writer 1026 01:01:31,222 --> 01:01:35,490 and he was very talented. 1027 01:01:35,492 --> 01:01:38,926 My father was probably the most overeducated 1028 01:01:38,928 --> 01:01:42,596 probation officer in the history of Los Angeles county. 1029 01:01:42,598 --> 01:01:45,165 He really wanted to be an English professor. 1030 01:01:45,167 --> 01:01:48,835 He was all but dissertation in American literature 1031 01:01:48,837 --> 01:01:52,171 but la county probation paid a lot more 1032 01:01:52,173 --> 01:01:54,873 than being an English professor. 1033 01:01:54,875 --> 01:01:58,176 So, our household was all about culture 1034 01:01:58,178 --> 01:02:02,612 and we were just exposed to, you know, any book we wanted. 1035 01:02:02,614 --> 01:02:04,780 Doesn't matter what our financial situation is 1036 01:02:04,782 --> 01:02:05,947 that book would appear. 1037 01:02:05,949 --> 01:02:07,815 There was always music playing 1038 01:02:07,817 --> 01:02:10,050 usually my dad's infatuation 1039 01:02:10,052 --> 01:02:13,353 with either mahler or Italian opera. 1040 01:02:13,355 --> 01:02:16,422 And there was the idea that the culture of the nation 1041 01:02:16,424 --> 01:02:19,391 was sort of like flowing through our living room. 1042 01:02:22,828 --> 01:02:23,828 What are you working on? 1043 01:02:23,830 --> 01:02:26,063 Well, yeah. 1044 01:02:26,065 --> 01:02:29,332 Okay, so here, here, here it is. 1045 01:02:29,334 --> 01:02:30,833 I remember this. 1046 01:02:30,835 --> 01:02:31,934 This was in your painting class. 1047 01:02:31,936 --> 01:02:35,103 - Yeah. - Dark stuff. 1048 01:02:35,105 --> 01:02:38,539 Isabel has always drawn, even when very young, 4 or 5 1049 01:02:38,541 --> 01:02:43,043 she used to paint and draw pictures like incessantly. 1050 01:02:43,045 --> 01:02:45,378 I mean, it must be hard living with writers, right? 1051 01:02:45,380 --> 01:02:47,146 I mean, people who are 1052 01:02:47,148 --> 01:02:49,381 who basically judge or you think judge 1053 01:02:49,383 --> 01:02:51,549 every single sentence that you say. 1054 01:02:51,551 --> 01:02:53,951 Maybe that's why she went into cartooning. 1055 01:02:53,953 --> 01:02:56,053 "Cold okapis!" 1056 01:02:56,055 --> 01:02:57,554 Looks like I have, like, a split lip 1057 01:02:57,556 --> 01:02:59,722 like a dog, that's good. 1058 01:03:07,195 --> 01:03:09,963 I hope my kids have grown up with culture in the way 1059 01:03:09,965 --> 01:03:11,764 that I grew up with culture. 1060 01:03:11,766 --> 01:03:15,768 I mean, I do this thing where we go to a museum 1061 01:03:15,770 --> 01:03:19,004 and we stand in front of a painting for half an hour 1062 01:03:19,006 --> 01:03:20,338 and we talk about the painting 1063 01:03:20,340 --> 01:03:22,840 and every single thing about it. 1064 01:03:22,842 --> 01:03:27,811 And the idea of being able to spend that much time 1065 01:03:27,813 --> 01:03:31,381 with your child and having that dialogue about it 1066 01:03:31,383 --> 01:03:34,650 is... is just wonderful. 1067 01:03:34,652 --> 01:03:36,585 These are all like members of the congress 1068 01:03:36,587 --> 01:03:37,752 or something, right? 1069 01:03:37,754 --> 01:03:39,854 Yeah, yeah. 1070 01:03:39,856 --> 01:03:43,224 None of them were so stoked about these, right? 1071 01:03:43,226 --> 01:03:46,160 I mean, I think he was the first caricaturist. 1072 01:03:46,162 --> 01:03:49,196 And he was very vicious in his things 1073 01:03:49,198 --> 01:03:50,964 but he was also like really accurate. 1074 01:03:54,368 --> 01:03:57,036 Well, you might not have to see eyes on that one. 1075 01:03:57,038 --> 01:04:00,005 It's like when you're writing something 1076 01:04:00,007 --> 01:04:03,241 and you're just describing something as a, as a writer 1077 01:04:03,243 --> 01:04:05,209 you can't list every single detail. 1078 01:04:05,211 --> 01:04:08,445 You've gotta pick just a couple of details 1079 01:04:08,447 --> 01:04:13,983 that let the reader see and then they'll build 1080 01:04:13,985 --> 01:04:16,251 the person up in their imagination. 1081 01:04:16,253 --> 01:04:18,753 And so, like this guy, you know, he's round 1082 01:04:18,755 --> 01:04:20,655 and he's squat and he's froggy 1083 01:04:20,657 --> 01:04:23,124 and, you know, like there's nobody in the world with a nose 1084 01:04:23,126 --> 01:04:25,159 that's that big. 1085 01:04:38,739 --> 01:04:42,808 In just a few months, la Tia has already established itself 1086 01:04:42,810 --> 01:04:45,076 as one of the most serious Mexican restaurants 1087 01:04:45,078 --> 01:04:49,180 in Los Angeles in complexity and deftness. 1088 01:04:49,182 --> 01:04:53,184 I always end up with the quail in the traditional black mole 1089 01:04:53,186 --> 01:04:56,120 so dark that it seems to suck the light out 1090 01:04:56,122 --> 01:04:58,255 of the airspace around it. 1091 01:04:58,257 --> 01:05:02,458 Spicy as a novella and bitter as tears. 1092 01:05:02,460 --> 01:05:06,929 Mole whose aftertaste can go on for hours. 1093 01:05:06,931 --> 01:05:09,932 La Tia's mole negro appears so glossy and rich 1094 01:05:09,934 --> 01:05:12,901 that I'm always tempted to test its consistency 1095 01:05:12,903 --> 01:05:17,004 by stabbing an index finger into it and the resulting stain 1096 01:05:17,006 --> 01:05:19,906 lingers as long as the empurpled digits 1097 01:05:19,908 --> 01:05:23,209 of patriotic Iraqi voters. 1098 01:05:23,211 --> 01:05:26,245 The last time I was as inspired by glossy black 1099 01:05:26,247 --> 01:05:30,716 it was part of Charles Ray's infamous sculpture ink box 1100 01:05:30,718 --> 01:05:33,719 and it was enshrined in a major museum of art. 1101 01:05:59,340 --> 01:06:02,908 Hey, this is garth Trinidad from kcrw and I am here 1102 01:06:02,910 --> 01:06:07,045 with Jonathan gold, food critic and writer 1103 01:06:07,047 --> 01:06:10,481 who actually got his start writing about music. 1104 01:06:10,483 --> 01:06:13,484 Yeah, I was the classical music critic at the "la weekly" 1105 01:06:13,486 --> 01:06:15,686 before I did anything else 1106 01:06:15,688 --> 01:06:20,190 and then later got to write about Los Angeles hip hop. 1107 01:06:20,192 --> 01:06:22,358 So we're going to be talking about some of his favorite songs 1108 01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:25,260 as part of the kcrw guest dj project. 1109 01:06:28,965 --> 01:06:30,564 Can we talk about the song that you picked 1110 01:06:30,566 --> 01:06:31,965 "flow my tears" real quick. 1111 01:06:31,967 --> 01:06:34,734 Sure, I was a classical music geek growing up. 1112 01:06:34,736 --> 01:06:38,304 I was locked in a, small room with my cello 1113 01:06:38,306 --> 01:06:39,672 for most of my adolescents. 1114 01:06:39,674 --> 01:06:42,541 I played, you know viola da gamba. 1115 01:06:42,543 --> 01:06:44,342 That's the way to get the chicks I'm telling you. 1116 01:06:44,344 --> 01:06:46,510 John dowland was probably the hit composer 1117 01:06:46,512 --> 01:06:49,145 of the elizabethan era, a little bit afterwards. 1118 01:06:49,147 --> 01:06:51,280 "Flow my tears" was more or less 1119 01:06:51,282 --> 01:06:53,949 the "stairway to heaven" of like 1620. 1120 01:07:01,191 --> 01:07:05,059 My dad wanted a string trio with the three brothers 1121 01:07:05,061 --> 01:07:08,028 and I was the worst violinist player ever. 1122 01:07:08,030 --> 01:07:09,996 Josh was probably the worst viola player ever 1123 01:07:09,998 --> 01:07:12,064 and Jonathan's the guy who had some talent 1124 01:07:12,066 --> 01:07:13,732 and really stuck with it. 1125 01:07:13,734 --> 01:07:16,634 He knew every single opera and every classical music piece. 1126 01:07:16,636 --> 01:07:19,269 They used to have a contest on the radio 1127 01:07:19,271 --> 01:07:22,038 on classical music and opera trivia 1128 01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,473 that he would excel and dominate on. 1129 01:07:24,475 --> 01:07:26,341 He didn't grow up with rock and roll 1130 01:07:26,343 --> 01:07:29,177 the way most of us did just because his parents 1131 01:07:29,179 --> 01:07:31,445 were mostly listening to classical music 1132 01:07:31,447 --> 01:07:34,414 and because he was so obsessed with the cello, that was.. 1133 01:07:34,416 --> 01:07:37,016 The cello was kind of his whole life. 1134 01:07:37,018 --> 01:07:41,853 So he experienced like there's a kind of radical shift 1135 01:07:41,855 --> 01:07:47,058 when he heard, you know, punk rock for the first time. 1136 01:07:47,060 --> 01:07:50,061 You brought, okay, a track from the germs, "forming?" 1137 01:07:50,063 --> 01:07:52,129 "Forming" is the first la punk single 1138 01:07:52,131 --> 01:07:54,131 ever recorded in Los Angeles. 1139 01:08:02,272 --> 01:08:05,506 Punk rock is sort of what got me out of my shell 1140 01:08:05,508 --> 01:08:08,242 and somebody dragged me to the whisky 1141 01:08:08,244 --> 01:08:11,511 to see a show of, you know, x and the screamers. 1142 01:08:11,513 --> 01:08:12,645 I was just.. 1143 01:08:12,647 --> 01:08:14,513 "You can do this?" 1144 01:08:14,515 --> 01:08:16,314 "It's possible to do this?" 1145 01:08:16,316 --> 01:08:20,284 And it was as transforming as anything I've ever done. 1146 01:08:34,464 --> 01:08:37,765 I think punk rock is one of the things 1147 01:08:37,767 --> 01:08:40,200 that's really helped shaped his world view 1148 01:08:40,202 --> 01:08:43,703 and his ideas as a critic. 1149 01:08:43,705 --> 01:08:48,840 The idea of disruption and, and pushing boundaries. 1150 01:08:48,842 --> 01:08:52,143 When Jonathan came in and was first a critic 1151 01:08:52,145 --> 01:08:55,346 the fact that the "la times" was reviewing, you know 1152 01:08:55,348 --> 01:08:59,249 a burrito place, was disruption. 1153 01:09:19,868 --> 01:09:22,236 That's delicious, I love mezcal. 1154 01:09:22,238 --> 01:09:23,737 Mezcal on an empty stomach. 1155 01:09:23,739 --> 01:09:25,004 Welcome to la. 1156 01:09:32,177 --> 01:09:35,012 My dad was a mezcal maker in oaxaca 1157 01:09:35,014 --> 01:09:38,482 and things were going really bad for my dad in '93 1158 01:09:38,484 --> 01:09:40,717 and that's when, the peso devalued 1159 01:09:40,719 --> 01:09:43,119 so there was an economic downfall in Mexico 1160 01:09:43,121 --> 01:09:45,521 so he decided to move here. 1161 01:09:45,523 --> 01:09:47,456 So he just started kinda exploring la 1162 01:09:47,458 --> 01:09:49,691 and this area where we are right now 1163 01:09:49,693 --> 01:09:52,527 koreatown, there was a lot of latinos and a lot of people 1164 01:09:52,529 --> 01:09:53,928 from oaxaca that lived in the area. 1165 01:09:53,930 --> 01:09:57,064 So my dad opened a little food stand 1166 01:09:57,066 --> 01:09:59,533 and it became very popular among people from oaxaca 1167 01:09:59,535 --> 01:10:01,801 because they just knew that's where you went 1168 01:10:01,803 --> 01:10:03,269 to get oaxacan food. 1169 01:10:03,271 --> 01:10:05,437 So he was like, you know, - 1170 01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:07,806 "let's open up a restaurant." 1171 01:10:07,808 --> 01:10:11,242 It was this little hole in the wall, maybe like 6 tables 1172 01:10:11,244 --> 01:10:12,643 and we opened like a little alley 1173 01:10:12,645 --> 01:10:14,811 it was like totally illegal. 1174 01:10:14,813 --> 01:10:19,215 So one day my dad walks in and was like 1175 01:10:19,217 --> 01:10:20,583 "where are all of these white people coming from?" 1176 01:10:20,585 --> 01:10:22,885 Because there were all these white people. 1177 01:10:22,887 --> 01:10:26,722 Somebody was like, "don't you know you were in the 'la times?'" 1178 01:10:26,724 --> 01:10:28,690 in fact, Jonathan gold reviewed the restaurant 1179 01:10:28,692 --> 01:10:31,526 before the Spanish speaking media. 1180 01:10:31,528 --> 01:10:34,529 And now the restaurant's run by my sister, my brother 1181 01:10:34,531 --> 01:10:37,565 and myself, and we sit 300 people here. 1182 01:10:40,635 --> 01:10:42,435 These are so delicious. 1183 01:10:42,437 --> 01:10:44,470 The grasshoppers? 1184 01:10:44,472 --> 01:10:46,071 They're so delicious. 1185 01:10:46,073 --> 01:10:50,041 I think there's 2 things, I mean one, it's insects 1186 01:10:50,043 --> 01:10:53,710 and two, it's a whole animal, which is still 1187 01:10:53,712 --> 01:10:56,779 really hard for Americans. 1188 01:10:56,781 --> 01:10:59,782 I mean, if we're going to survive as a species 1189 01:10:59,784 --> 01:11:01,517 we're going to eat insects. 1190 01:11:01,519 --> 01:11:03,618 - We are. - I mean, unless we're idiots. 1191 01:11:06,388 --> 01:11:08,655 For us, the oaxacan community 1192 01:11:08,657 --> 01:11:11,557 we owe him a lot because in oaxaca 1193 01:11:11,559 --> 01:11:14,226 people are really looked down on 1194 01:11:14,228 --> 01:11:16,728 because we come from an indigenous background 1195 01:11:16,730 --> 01:11:19,630 and to have someone put it out there and say 1196 01:11:19,632 --> 01:11:22,799 come and taste this oaxacan food. 1197 01:11:22,801 --> 01:11:25,134 I think it even helped me as a person 1198 01:11:25,136 --> 01:11:28,337 to embrace my culture because people cared 1199 01:11:28,339 --> 01:11:31,406 about my food and people cared, and people were really like 1200 01:11:31,408 --> 01:11:33,608 "your food's like, your food's cool" 1201 01:11:33,610 --> 01:11:36,010 and I was like, "yeah, my food's cool." 1202 01:12:28,595 --> 01:12:30,162 Hello. 1203 01:12:30,164 --> 01:12:32,230 He's a funny guy. 1204 01:12:34,566 --> 01:12:37,734 The don of dogs. 1205 01:12:37,736 --> 01:12:40,336 - How you doing, Duane? - What's up, big guy? 1206 01:12:40,338 --> 01:12:41,470 Same old, you? 1207 01:12:41,472 --> 01:12:43,905 Hot dogs. 1208 01:12:43,907 --> 01:12:46,240 So, so you're, you're back to the cart. 1209 01:12:46,242 --> 01:12:48,909 I'm back to the cart, we're doing it big again. 1210 01:12:48,911 --> 01:12:50,911 We did this just to let people know 1211 01:12:50,913 --> 01:12:53,280 hey, what's happening, we're about to get back open. 1212 01:12:53,282 --> 01:12:55,915 It's cool because I'm getting a lot of my old customers 1213 01:12:55,917 --> 01:12:58,050 who were hot dog cart customers, pulling up saying 1214 01:12:58,052 --> 01:13:00,218 "I could have sworn, I saw your little peanut head 1215 01:13:00,220 --> 01:13:01,719 "standing over there, so I had to come back 1216 01:13:01,721 --> 01:13:04,755 over here and see what your hot dogs were like." 1217 01:13:04,757 --> 01:13:07,424 Earle's wieners is opening up! 1218 01:13:12,396 --> 01:13:14,597 28 years, since what '86? 1219 01:13:14,599 --> 01:13:17,866 - '86. - '86 1220 01:13:17,868 --> 01:13:20,201 - crenshaw suave, baby. - Lotta dogs. 1221 01:13:29,077 --> 01:13:31,111 There's no tidy way to eat one of these. 1222 01:13:34,849 --> 01:13:37,817 I've always felt a little uncomfortable about claiming hood. 1223 01:13:39,019 --> 01:13:42,221 I grew up in south la, but I obviously 1224 01:13:42,223 --> 01:13:44,856 my family moved out before.. 1225 01:13:46,892 --> 01:13:49,093 When I was still very young. 1226 01:13:52,664 --> 01:13:55,632 We had moved there, or my parents had moved there 1227 01:13:55,634 --> 01:13:59,435 in the late '50s when my dad was a teacher 1228 01:13:59,437 --> 01:14:02,070 at audubon junior high school 1229 01:14:02,072 --> 01:14:07,275 which was this sort of beautifully integrated school. 1230 01:14:07,277 --> 01:14:08,609 There were, you know.. 1231 01:14:08,611 --> 01:14:13,513 There were lots of black kids and lots of white kids 1232 01:14:13,515 --> 01:14:17,449 and lots of Japanese kids, and it seemed like 1233 01:14:17,451 --> 01:14:19,551 that was gonna be the future of la 1234 01:14:19,553 --> 01:14:23,821 and he wanted to be part of it, so he moved into the community. 1235 01:14:25,323 --> 01:14:32,128 Some of my earliest memories are of the riots in 1965. 1236 01:14:32,130 --> 01:14:34,497 You know, sitting at the top of our hill 1237 01:14:34,499 --> 01:14:38,267 and, and seeing the fires burn down below 1238 01:14:38,269 --> 01:14:42,771 of seeing the tanks go along crenshaw boulevard 1239 01:14:42,773 --> 01:14:47,575 and after that the neighborhood changed. 1240 01:15:08,928 --> 01:15:11,329 We're here with Jonathan gold. 1241 01:15:11,331 --> 01:15:14,765 So you brought funkadelic with the classic "maggot brain." 1242 01:15:14,767 --> 01:15:16,867 Maybe you remember in the old days when you could actually 1243 01:15:16,869 --> 01:15:20,637 buy like, soul records in liquor stores. 1244 01:15:20,639 --> 01:15:23,272 I was 13 or 14 when I was trying to buy 1245 01:15:23,274 --> 01:15:26,608 you know, beer on a false ID. 1246 01:15:26,610 --> 01:15:28,876 And I picked up "maggot brain" because I loved the cover. 1247 01:15:28,878 --> 01:15:32,212 Got home and put it on and the guitar solo. 1248 01:15:32,214 --> 01:15:33,613 Eddie Hazel, it's just amazing. 1249 01:15:33,615 --> 01:15:35,114 It just keeps flowing. 1250 01:15:35,116 --> 01:15:37,449 It has a sort of, majesty 1251 01:15:37,451 --> 01:15:40,418 that you expect from somebody like, you know, Wagner 1252 01:15:40,420 --> 01:15:41,852 the concept of the endless melody 1253 01:15:41,854 --> 01:15:43,720 the one that goes on forever. 1254 01:15:43,722 --> 01:15:46,255 Almost all of blues guitarists 1255 01:15:46,257 --> 01:15:48,624 just Peter out in the middle, they have nothing more to say 1256 01:15:48,626 --> 01:15:51,760 so they did the wa wa wa, but Eddie Hazel doesn't. 1257 01:15:51,762 --> 01:15:54,796 He always has something new to say, and the tune 1258 01:15:54,798 --> 01:15:56,998 and the chord progression keeps folding in on itself 1259 01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:58,833 and showing itself in all of these 1260 01:15:58,835 --> 01:16:00,868 you know, wonderful miraculous ways. 1261 01:16:50,884 --> 01:16:54,353 Please join me in welcoming Jonathan gold. 1262 01:16:58,290 --> 01:17:00,024 Thank you. 1263 01:17:04,228 --> 01:17:06,062 Hi. 1264 01:17:06,064 --> 01:17:11,700 I, in some ways I think come to you as an emissary 1265 01:17:11,702 --> 01:17:15,070 from the world of failure 1266 01:17:15,072 --> 01:17:16,871 a rare citizen of the wide country 1267 01:17:16,873 --> 01:17:21,408 where things do not turn out exactly as you've planned. 1268 01:17:22,710 --> 01:17:25,211 I'm here to say that that's okay. 1269 01:17:25,213 --> 01:17:26,912 Still, when I wake up in the morning 1270 01:17:26,914 --> 01:17:29,481 I don't feel like a semi-successful writer 1271 01:17:29,483 --> 01:17:30,949 a chronicler of Los Angeles 1272 01:17:30,951 --> 01:17:33,918 I feel like a failed cellist 1273 01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,287 which was more or less my ucla experience. 1274 01:17:38,056 --> 01:17:40,724 But all of us, especially those of us in the arts 1275 01:17:40,726 --> 01:17:43,727 experience failure, and it is this experience 1276 01:17:43,729 --> 01:17:45,729 of failure that makes us strong 1277 01:17:45,731 --> 01:17:49,099 that helps make us who we are. 1278 01:17:49,101 --> 01:17:51,768 Did my ucla acquired knowledge help me 1279 01:17:51,770 --> 01:17:53,970 when I wrote about hip hop in the 1980s? 1280 01:17:53,972 --> 01:17:56,973 Not directly, but it was a way of listening that gave me a way 1281 01:17:56,975 --> 01:18:00,443 to understand the music in an important way. 1282 01:18:00,445 --> 01:18:02,611 Did my experience in writing about opera and new music 1283 01:18:02,613 --> 01:18:05,347 have anything to do with food writing? 1284 01:18:05,349 --> 01:18:08,917 Yes, as it turns out, on a very basic level 1285 01:18:08,919 --> 01:18:11,819 criticism is criticism. 1286 01:18:11,821 --> 01:18:14,388 An Aria is in some way 1287 01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:17,524 equivalent to a well-cooked potato 1288 01:18:17,526 --> 01:18:21,260 and both the comprehension of form and the ability 1289 01:18:21,262 --> 01:18:24,062 to describe abstract sensation 1290 01:18:24,064 --> 01:18:26,798 which I learned to do as an undergraduate 1291 01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:31,969 in music and art courses here, turns out to be exactly 1292 01:18:31,971 --> 01:18:34,237 what I needed to know. 1293 01:18:39,042 --> 01:18:41,076 I think the great human ill 1294 01:18:41,078 --> 01:18:44,212 is, contempt prior to investigation. 1295 01:18:44,214 --> 01:18:46,514 Jonathan takes that idea.. 1296 01:18:46,516 --> 01:18:49,016 It's a really comfy idea for a lot of Americans 1297 01:18:49,018 --> 01:18:51,985 and he just, he just blows it the fuck up. 1298 01:18:55,222 --> 01:18:57,590 Jonathan gold is my guest dj. 1299 01:18:57,592 --> 01:19:01,326 Okay, man, so you brought some la gangsta rap. 1300 01:19:01,328 --> 01:19:03,261 Some Los Angeles gangsta rap 1301 01:19:03,263 --> 01:19:06,397 and you brought "g thang" from, Dr. dre, snoop dogg. 1302 01:19:06,399 --> 01:19:09,933 Now, listen, the rumor is you were in the studio 1303 01:19:09,935 --> 01:19:11,668 a lot of the time with them when they were actually 1304 01:19:11,670 --> 01:19:13,002 recording "doggystyle" and stuff like that. 1305 01:19:13,004 --> 01:19:14,436 Yeah, yeah, I was. 1306 01:19:14,438 --> 01:19:15,470 This was when you were really writing 1307 01:19:15,472 --> 01:19:16,571 about a lot of that music 1308 01:19:16,573 --> 01:19:18,039 during that time. 1309 01:19:18,041 --> 01:19:21,776 Right, la hip hop was great, but nobody ever heard it. 1310 01:19:21,778 --> 01:19:24,278 Everybody just heard the New York stuff 1311 01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,813 and dre was the guy who figured out 1312 01:19:26,815 --> 01:19:29,115 how to slow it down, made it gangsta. 1313 01:19:29,117 --> 01:19:31,717 Chronic, I think was the total breakthrough album. 1314 01:19:31,719 --> 01:19:34,352 It crossed over to the bouncing cars to the hanging out 1315 01:19:34,354 --> 01:19:35,820 and barbequing in the park. 1316 01:19:35,822 --> 01:19:37,321 It was less about bang bang bang 1317 01:19:37,323 --> 01:19:39,823 and it was more about, this is the neighborhood 1318 01:19:39,825 --> 01:19:42,091 you live in and you're enjoying it 1319 01:19:42,093 --> 01:19:44,726 and ya'll are invited to the party 1320 01:19:44,728 --> 01:19:46,894 and there's something beautiful about that. 1321 01:20:03,407 --> 01:20:06,041 You know, after the Los Angeles riots 1322 01:20:06,043 --> 01:20:07,475 there was a lot of hand wringing 1323 01:20:07,477 --> 01:20:10,444 about what had gone wrong in this city 1324 01:20:10,446 --> 01:20:14,247 and there was a movement to like get to know 1325 01:20:14,249 --> 01:20:16,349 who your neighbors are 1326 01:20:16,351 --> 01:20:19,352 but long before the riots and after Jonathan gold 1327 01:20:19,354 --> 01:20:24,123 was introducing us to people and to neighborhoods. 1328 01:20:28,694 --> 01:20:32,663 There's a certain level of utopian thinking in his work. 1329 01:20:32,665 --> 01:20:34,631 There's a certain level of dedication 1330 01:20:34,633 --> 01:20:37,533 to asking the question how we live. 1331 01:20:37,535 --> 01:20:39,801 He talks about the miscegenation 1332 01:20:39,803 --> 01:20:43,904 between races in essence appearing over the table. 1333 01:20:43,906 --> 01:20:47,607 Those food nations become an integral part 1334 01:20:47,609 --> 01:20:50,142 of the way he sees Los Angeles 1335 01:20:50,144 --> 01:20:52,677 in a way Los Angeles comes together. 1336 01:21:30,945 --> 01:21:32,912 There's so many different ways to tell stories 1337 01:21:32,914 --> 01:21:36,949 about Los Angeles, and of course, telling stories 1338 01:21:36,951 --> 01:21:40,552 through food is one of the ways Jonathan gold does that. 1339 01:21:40,554 --> 01:21:43,755 And the piece he's going to read 1340 01:21:43,757 --> 01:21:46,491 represents another way of talking about Los Angeles 1341 01:21:46,493 --> 01:21:49,227 in a moment when, the fabric of the city 1342 01:21:49,229 --> 01:21:52,263 kind of looked like it wasn't going to hold. 1343 01:21:52,265 --> 01:21:54,198 So, Jonathan. 1344 01:22:00,404 --> 01:22:05,173 This is an older essay written, the week 1345 01:22:05,175 --> 01:22:11,946 after the, the riots in 1992 1346 01:22:11,948 --> 01:22:16,483 and... It.. 1347 01:22:16,485 --> 01:22:20,220 Well, I'll, I'll, I'll read and you can, you can hear. 1348 01:22:20,222 --> 01:22:27,026 I can't tell you how much I love Los Angeles. 1349 01:22:27,028 --> 01:22:31,630 "It is 8 o'clock and the light has started to fade" 1350 01:22:31,632 --> 01:22:34,165 "as I sit on the floor of my apartment" 1351 01:22:34,167 --> 01:22:38,068 "staring at the spot where the rain not so much dripped" 1352 01:22:38,070 --> 01:22:40,203 "as oozed from the door jam." 1353 01:22:41,939 --> 01:22:43,339 "For the last decade or so" 1354 01:22:43,341 --> 01:22:45,341 "I have lived in a creaking apartment" 1355 01:22:45,343 --> 01:22:46,775 "probably swank in its day" 1356 01:22:46,777 --> 01:22:49,110 "that has been home to a dog trainer" 1357 01:22:49,112 --> 01:22:51,612 "a fiddle player and a series of writers" 1358 01:22:51,614 --> 01:22:54,581 "in a smartly column building in an aging neighborhood" 1359 01:22:54,583 --> 01:22:58,651 "nobody has yet bothered to name." 1360 01:22:58,653 --> 01:23:02,754 "Downstairs a baby cries out in Spanish" 1361 01:23:02,756 --> 01:23:04,288 "in the distance the ghetto boys" 1362 01:23:04,290 --> 01:23:06,056 "boom from a passing truck." 1363 01:23:07,591 --> 01:23:09,825 "For the fifth time, in about an hour" 1364 01:23:09,827 --> 01:23:12,060 "I think about the other parts of town" 1365 01:23:12,062 --> 01:23:15,063 "the ones with croissant shops on the street corners" 1366 01:23:15,065 --> 01:23:17,231 "and air conditioned shopping malls" 1367 01:23:17,233 --> 01:23:19,499 "and neighbors who look like me." 1368 01:23:21,535 --> 01:23:24,703 "Before the fires of April, there were 14 different kinds" 1369 01:23:24,705 --> 01:23:27,672 "of ethnic restaurants within a 5 minute walk." 1370 01:23:27,674 --> 01:23:30,407 "Now, there are just 10." 1371 01:23:32,042 --> 01:23:35,377 "For a while, everything in the neighborhood" 1372 01:23:35,379 --> 01:23:38,046 "seemed just a little more ominous." 1373 01:23:38,048 --> 01:23:40,948 "The Saturday night gunshots a little louder." 1374 01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:44,017 "The omnipresent sirens and helicopters" 1375 01:23:44,019 --> 01:23:46,120 "a little closer to home." 1376 01:23:49,324 --> 01:23:51,224 "When you spend some time in my neighborhood" 1377 01:23:51,226 --> 01:23:52,625 "you'll learn the rhythm of the place." 1378 01:23:52,627 --> 01:23:54,460 "The mornings when the Mexican's food truck" 1379 01:23:54,462 --> 01:23:55,594 "shows up on the corner." 1380 01:23:55,596 --> 01:23:57,495 "The hour when Filipino teenagers" 1381 01:23:57,497 --> 01:24:01,832 "snack on liver buns and Coca-Cola at the pancit shop." 1382 01:24:01,834 --> 01:24:04,501 "The peaceful time in late afternoon" 1383 01:24:04,503 --> 01:24:07,470 "when the Avenue flows majestically." 1384 01:24:08,805 --> 01:24:11,139 "Guatemalan women walk home from Ralph's" 1385 01:24:11,141 --> 01:24:12,607 "with bags of groceries" 1386 01:24:12,609 --> 01:24:15,276 "balanced expertly on their heads." 1387 01:24:15,278 --> 01:24:17,177 "Salvadoran construction workers crowd" 1388 01:24:17,179 --> 01:24:19,012 "into the local Korean noodle shop" 1389 01:24:19,014 --> 01:24:21,981 "for steamed dumplings." 1390 01:24:21,983 --> 01:24:26,318 "In this neighborhood, most of us are just passing through." 1391 01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,620 "Transients on our way to more permanent homes" 1392 01:24:28,622 --> 01:24:30,922 "in long beach or huntington park." 1393 01:24:30,924 --> 01:24:33,424 "We are all citizens of the world." 1394 01:24:33,426 --> 01:24:36,026 "We are all strangers together." 1395 01:24:37,561 --> 01:24:41,930 "But to my Korean landlords, this neighborhood is home." 1396 01:24:41,932 --> 01:24:43,531 "I have been awakened before dawn" 1397 01:24:43,533 --> 01:24:45,666 "by the rhythmic thud of their pounding garlic" 1398 01:24:45,668 --> 01:24:48,769 "into paste on the back porch." 1399 01:24:48,771 --> 01:24:51,638 "I've stumbled out the door with an armful of wet laundry" 1400 01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:53,506 "only to find all of the clotheslines" 1401 01:24:53,508 --> 01:24:56,141 "taken up by drying fish." 1402 01:24:56,143 --> 01:24:59,110 "I've also come home from work to find the back stairs spread" 1403 01:24:59,112 --> 01:25:02,613 "with leaves of cabbage, curing in the hot sun." 1404 01:25:06,250 --> 01:25:10,252 "Even when their son was shot" 1405 01:25:10,254 --> 01:25:12,354 "a half mile south of here" 1406 01:25:12,356 --> 01:25:16,591 "there was questioning of their sense of place." 1407 01:25:16,593 --> 01:25:21,328 "The landlords keep to themselves and so do I." 1408 01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:27,233 "I often wish that they would invite me over for dinner." 1409 01:25:27,235 --> 01:25:28,434 Thanks. 1410 01:26:24,785 --> 01:26:26,485 Alright, man, you brought some Louis Armstrong. 1411 01:26:26,487 --> 01:26:27,819 We gotta talk about Louis. 1412 01:26:27,821 --> 01:26:29,387 "tight like this," why did you choose this track? 1413 01:26:29,389 --> 01:26:31,355 I think it's by the best driving music there is. 118862

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