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I remember my dad used to say, 4 00:00:55,156 --> 00:00:57,723 "you have three strikes against you in this world. 5 00:00:57,725 --> 00:00:59,391 "Every black man has two... 6 00:00:59,393 --> 00:01:02,227 "that they're just black, and they're a male. 7 00:01:02,229 --> 00:01:05,464 You're gonna have a hard time." 8 00:01:05,466 --> 00:01:07,699 And he said, "if you're gonna do this, 9 00:01:07,701 --> 00:01:12,171 than you ever imagined." 10 00:01:22,549 --> 00:01:24,483 May have to open the door. 11 00:01:24,485 --> 00:01:27,152 Y'all have to open that door, too. 12 00:01:55,482 --> 00:01:58,584 Get off the floor. 13 00:01:58,586 --> 00:02:01,420 Get off the floor! 14 00:02:01,855 --> 00:02:03,322 Learn it, 15 00:02:03,324 --> 00:02:07,259 and learn it well. 16 00:02:14,567 --> 00:02:16,668 All right, miss Heather! 17 00:02:16,670 --> 00:02:18,737 Ohhh! 18 00:02:33,620 --> 00:02:37,322 Girl, give me those mother heel! 19 00:02:47,500 --> 00:02:50,369 Do you want me to say who I am and all of that? 20 00:02:50,371 --> 00:02:54,406 "I'm Pepper Labeija, and I'm..." 21 00:02:55,609 --> 00:02:56,808 I am Pepper Labeija, 22 00:02:56,810 --> 00:03:01,313 the legendary mother of the house of Labeija. 23 00:03:01,315 --> 00:03:03,882 Not the founder... crystal was the founder. 24 00:03:03,884 --> 00:03:06,552 I... I just rule it now... 25 00:03:06,554 --> 00:03:09,454 With a soft glove. 26 00:03:09,456 --> 00:03:11,290 And it's important to me to be the mother, 27 00:03:11,292 --> 00:03:14,259 'cause there's so many little kids that I have to look out for. 28 00:03:14,261 --> 00:03:15,661 Although they don't listen to me, 29 00:03:15,663 --> 00:03:17,829 and they buck my authority, 30 00:03:17,831 --> 00:03:19,665 I still think I rule it pretty well. 31 00:03:19,667 --> 00:03:20,699 They like me. 32 00:03:20,701 --> 00:03:22,734 I'm one of the more popular ones, 33 00:03:22,736 --> 00:03:25,470 and I've been around for two decades... 34 00:03:25,472 --> 00:03:26,939 reigning, that is. 35 00:03:26,941 --> 00:03:29,608 You know, I've got more grand prizes than all the rest. 36 00:03:33,580 --> 00:03:37,316 Gay people... men... 37 00:03:37,318 --> 00:03:44,423 and decide to have a competition amongst themselves. 38 00:03:44,425 --> 00:03:46,758 Balls. 39 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,629 I went to a ball. I got a trophy. 40 00:03:50,631 --> 00:03:54,933 And now everybody wants to know me. 41 00:03:55,635 --> 00:03:58,704 This movie is about the ball circuit 42 00:03:58,706 --> 00:04:01,573 and the gay people that's involved in it 43 00:04:01,575 --> 00:04:07,613 and how each person's life brought them to this circuit. 44 00:04:07,615 --> 00:04:11,383 It's like crossing into the looking glass in wonderland. 45 00:04:11,385 --> 00:04:15,988 You go in there, and you feel... you feel 100% right... 46 00:04:15,990 --> 00:04:17,456 as... of being gay. 47 00:04:17,458 --> 00:04:19,891 And that's not what it's like in the world. 48 00:04:19,893 --> 00:04:21,460 That's not what it's like in the world. 49 00:04:21,462 --> 00:04:22,995 That's not what it's like in the world. 50 00:04:22,997 --> 00:04:25,530 You know, it should be like that in the world. 51 00:04:25,532 --> 00:04:27,833 This society, going to a football game, basketball... 52 00:04:27,835 --> 00:04:29,468 that's their entertainment. 53 00:04:29,470 --> 00:04:31,703 You know, a ball is ours. We prepare for a ball. 54 00:04:31,705 --> 00:04:33,639 We may spend more time preparing for a ball 55 00:04:33,641 --> 00:04:36,475 than anybody would spend preparing for anything else. 56 00:04:36,477 --> 00:04:38,510 You know, a ball is like our world. 57 00:04:38,512 --> 00:04:39,645 The balls, to us, 58 00:04:39,647 --> 00:04:42,648 is as close to reality as we're gonna get 59 00:04:42,650 --> 00:04:44,883 to all of that fame and fortune 60 00:04:44,885 --> 00:04:46,952 and stardom and spotlights. 61 00:04:46,954 --> 00:04:49,988 I'd always see the way that rich people lived. 62 00:04:49,990 --> 00:04:52,324 And I'd feel it more, you know... 63 00:04:52,326 --> 00:04:53,625 it would slap me in the face. 64 00:04:53,627 --> 00:04:55,560 I'd say, "I'd have to have that." 65 00:04:55,562 --> 00:04:57,562 Because I never felt comfortable being poor. 66 00:04:57,564 --> 00:05:02,701 Or even middle class doesn't suit me. 67 00:05:02,703 --> 00:05:04,736 Seeing the riches, 68 00:05:04,738 --> 00:05:08,940 seeing the way people on "dynasty" lived... 69 00:05:08,942 --> 00:05:11,710 And I would think, 70 00:05:11,712 --> 00:05:13,645 "these people have 42 rooms in their house. 71 00:05:13,647 --> 00:05:15,681 Oh, my God. What kind of a house is that?" 72 00:05:15,683 --> 00:05:17,382 And we've got three. 73 00:05:17,384 --> 00:05:19,418 So why is it that they can have it and I didn't? 74 00:05:19,420 --> 00:05:22,654 I always felt cheated out of things like that. 75 00:05:22,656 --> 00:05:26,692 You have space to do all that you intend to. 76 00:05:26,694 --> 00:05:28,760 Now, the categories are... 77 00:05:28,762 --> 00:05:32,998 butch queen, 1 through 17. 78 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,568 And for the girls, 18 through 30. 79 00:05:36,570 --> 00:05:38,837 As far as all of y'all not walking, 80 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,674 please realize that we all... at one time or another... 81 00:05:42,676 --> 00:05:46,578 have lusted to walk a ballroom floor. 82 00:05:46,580 --> 00:05:49,047 So give the patrons and the contestants, you know, 83 00:05:49,049 --> 00:05:51,883 a round of applause for nerve. 84 00:05:51,885 --> 00:05:54,119 'Cause with y'all vicious mother, 85 00:05:54,121 --> 00:05:56,121 it do take nerve. 86 00:05:56,123 --> 00:05:57,522 Believe me. 87 00:05:57,524 --> 00:05:59,925 We're not going to be shady, just fierce. 88 00:05:59,927 --> 00:06:01,727 Those balls are more or less like our fantasy 89 00:06:01,729 --> 00:06:03,929 of being a superstar. 90 00:06:03,931 --> 00:06:05,731 You know, like the oscars or whatever. 91 00:06:05,733 --> 00:06:08,767 Or being on a runway as a model. 92 00:06:08,769 --> 00:06:10,669 You know, a lot of those kids that are in the balls, 93 00:06:10,671 --> 00:06:12,804 they don't have two of nothing. 94 00:06:12,806 --> 00:06:15,107 Some of them don't even eat. 95 00:06:15,109 --> 00:06:16,908 They come to balls starving. 96 00:06:16,910 --> 00:06:19,845 And they sleep in the under-21, 97 00:06:19,847 --> 00:06:22,647 or they sleep on the pier or wherever. 98 00:06:22,649 --> 00:06:24,049 They don't have a home to go to. 99 00:06:24,051 --> 00:06:25,751 But they'll go out, and they'll steal something 100 00:06:25,753 --> 00:06:27,853 and get dressed up and come to a ball for that one night 101 00:06:27,855 --> 00:06:29,921 and live the fantasy. 102 00:06:32,092 --> 00:06:34,559 A ball is the very word... 103 00:06:34,561 --> 00:06:37,729 whatever you want to be, you be. 104 00:06:37,731 --> 00:06:40,832 So at a ball, you have a chance to display your arrogance, 105 00:06:40,834 --> 00:06:43,435 your seductiveness, your beauty, your wit, 106 00:06:43,437 --> 00:06:46,705 You can become anything and do anything 107 00:06:46,707 --> 00:06:51,410 right here, right now, and it won't be questioned. 108 00:06:51,412 --> 00:06:56,081 I came. I saw. I conquered. 109 00:06:56,083 --> 00:06:58,917 Give her what she want. 110 00:06:58,919 --> 00:07:00,952 She'll bring it to you every ball. 111 00:07:00,954 --> 00:07:03,522 Why y'all gagging so? 112 00:07:03,524 --> 00:07:05,056 I guess I like the excitement. 113 00:07:05,058 --> 00:07:09,895 You know, it's them cheering and screaming if you were good. 114 00:07:09,897 --> 00:07:13,198 And that's what got me, 'cause I like the competition. 115 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,534 Makes me stronger. 116 00:07:15,536 --> 00:07:17,636 It makes me think more. 117 00:07:17,638 --> 00:07:21,473 Makes me want to come back and get them. 118 00:07:21,841 --> 00:07:23,508 It's not just the winning. 119 00:07:23,510 --> 00:07:26,912 It's... it's the giving, too. 120 00:07:26,914 --> 00:07:30,482 'Cause I feel that I give a lot of enjoyment 121 00:07:30,484 --> 00:07:32,717 to a lot of people that go to balls. 122 00:07:32,719 --> 00:07:34,786 And they enjoy to see it, and I enjoy to walk for them. 123 00:07:34,788 --> 00:07:40,926 So that's my... Philosophy, as I should say. 124 00:07:41,694 --> 00:07:43,728 To be legendary is like... 125 00:07:43,730 --> 00:07:45,163 their goal is to be legendary. 126 00:07:45,165 --> 00:07:47,899 You know, let you know, "I'm legendary, you're not." 127 00:07:47,901 --> 00:07:50,902 That's... you know, it feels good to them. 128 00:07:50,904 --> 00:07:52,504 An Oscar. A Oscar, right. 129 00:07:52,506 --> 00:07:53,905 It's the same thing. You know? 130 00:07:53,907 --> 00:07:55,607 Become a legend... you have an Oscar. 131 00:07:55,609 --> 00:07:57,542 It's the same thing. 132 00:07:58,211 --> 00:08:01,112 I don't really consider myself a real legend. 133 00:08:01,114 --> 00:08:04,850 I... I've been at the balls with the legendary children, 134 00:08:04,852 --> 00:08:07,819 and I've stamped myself with the legendary children. 135 00:08:07,821 --> 00:08:09,154 But I'm really... 136 00:08:09,156 --> 00:08:10,956 I'm one of top, upcoming children... legendary. 137 00:08:10,958 --> 00:08:12,958 You have legendary children 138 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,860 and upcoming legendary children. Right. 139 00:08:14,862 --> 00:08:15,961 We're the upcoming ones. 140 00:08:15,963 --> 00:08:17,128 We've been out longer 141 00:08:17,130 --> 00:08:18,930 than the ones that are here now. 142 00:08:18,932 --> 00:08:22,634 And we done had our... we have our status in the ballroom. 143 00:08:26,939 --> 00:08:30,175 How long did it take you to do the tank top? 144 00:08:30,177 --> 00:08:33,812 An hour? Yes. 145 00:08:33,814 --> 00:08:35,213 You don't do that. 146 00:08:35,215 --> 00:08:37,849 It usually doesn't take you an hour to do a shirt, 147 00:08:37,851 --> 00:08:40,619 especially a tank top? 148 00:08:40,621 --> 00:08:43,522 Mnh-mnh. That's not your speed. 149 00:08:43,524 --> 00:08:44,923 Kim pendavis! 150 00:08:44,925 --> 00:08:48,026 Statement... future legend. 151 00:08:49,962 --> 00:08:53,698 Kim and me have... we've been together... 152 00:08:53,700 --> 00:08:54,833 and it's more or less me, 153 00:08:54,835 --> 00:08:58,136 I'm the one that's Kim's protége, 154 00:08:58,138 --> 00:09:00,739 because I go with Kim to the balls, 155 00:09:00,741 --> 00:09:02,007 help him out, help him iron. 156 00:09:02,009 --> 00:09:04,209 'Cause if I don't go to a ball with him and iron, 157 00:09:04,211 --> 00:09:05,844 I mean, he'll be here wrinkled. 158 00:09:05,846 --> 00:09:08,747 Or he'd be there ironing. 159 00:09:08,749 --> 00:09:10,615 But, you know, 160 00:09:10,617 --> 00:09:13,585 it helps out when somebody else is there in your corner, 161 00:09:13,587 --> 00:09:15,554 at your side, to say, "yeah, you can do it." 162 00:09:15,556 --> 00:09:16,821 "You're gonna be fine. 163 00:09:16,823 --> 00:09:19,124 Just go out there and do what you usually do." 164 00:09:19,826 --> 00:09:25,130 Just simple, you know, joy and satisfaction. 165 00:09:25,132 --> 00:09:29,568 you know, I don't really ask much. 166 00:09:29,570 --> 00:09:32,003 And then, from time to time, later on I can wear the outfit. 167 00:09:32,005 --> 00:09:35,340 Yeah! 168 00:09:35,342 --> 00:09:36,708 Work! 169 00:09:45,652 --> 00:09:48,687 Liz Taylor is famous... 170 00:09:50,624 --> 00:09:51,823 So is Pepper Labeija. 171 00:09:56,929 --> 00:09:58,863 In a sense, so am I. 172 00:09:58,865 --> 00:10:03,802 But a very much different quantity. 173 00:10:03,804 --> 00:10:08,306 No magazine's gonna run up to cover me if I go to a premier. 174 00:10:09,342 --> 00:10:11,109 But it's still a fame. 175 00:10:11,111 --> 00:10:12,143 It's a small fame. 176 00:10:12,145 --> 00:10:15,680 But you absorb, and you take it. 177 00:10:15,682 --> 00:10:17,349 And you like it. 178 00:10:17,351 --> 00:10:20,685 You like the adulation, the applause... 179 00:10:20,687 --> 00:10:22,954 The people cheering you on... 180 00:10:22,956 --> 00:10:24,623 The winning. 181 00:10:24,625 --> 00:10:27,125 It's like, uh, a physical high. 182 00:10:27,127 --> 00:10:30,662 It's... you know, it's a good high. 183 00:10:31,197 --> 00:10:34,165 It's an addictive high, like all highs... 184 00:10:34,167 --> 00:10:36,334 in the long run... turn out to be. 185 00:10:36,336 --> 00:10:40,672 But it's a high that won't hurt you. 186 00:10:40,674 --> 00:10:45,043 If everybody went to balls and did less drugs, 187 00:10:45,045 --> 00:10:47,712 it'd be a fun world, wouldn't it? 188 00:10:47,714 --> 00:10:50,882 I'm dressing, of course, to go do a show. 189 00:10:50,884 --> 00:10:53,718 Because I've always done this professionally. 190 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,120 And I was a dancer. 191 00:10:55,122 --> 00:10:59,057 And I'm trying to remember when the first time I went to 192 00:10:59,059 --> 00:11:00,792 a ball. 193 00:11:00,794 --> 00:11:05,730 That was the early-type ball, when everybody just walked, 194 00:11:05,732 --> 00:11:08,066 and they gave away, like, four or five prizes 195 00:11:08,068 --> 00:11:11,136 in a very limited category. 196 00:11:11,138 --> 00:11:14,439 And the children now... most of them... 197 00:11:14,441 --> 00:11:17,409 75% of the children you see at the ball 198 00:11:17,411 --> 00:11:20,979 wouldn't know what a ball was if it knocked them in the head. 199 00:11:20,981 --> 00:11:24,049 When I first started going to balls, 200 00:11:24,051 --> 00:11:25,216 it was all about drag queens, 201 00:11:25,218 --> 00:11:27,018 and they were interested in looking like 202 00:11:27,020 --> 00:11:28,853 Las Vegas show girls... 203 00:11:28,855 --> 00:11:31,322 backpieces, tailpieces, feathers, beads, and all that. 204 00:11:31,324 --> 00:11:35,260 But as the '70s rolled around, the thing started changing. 205 00:11:35,262 --> 00:11:36,795 It started coming down 206 00:11:36,797 --> 00:11:38,463 to just wanting to look like a gorgeous movie star, 207 00:11:38,465 --> 00:11:40,165 like Marilyn Monroe, Elizabeth Taylor. 208 00:11:40,167 --> 00:11:43,134 And now they've went from that to trying to look like models 209 00:11:43,136 --> 00:11:45,270 like Iman and Christie Brinkley 210 00:11:45,272 --> 00:11:46,838 and maud Adams and all those children. 211 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,708 Everyone couldn't be a Las Vegas show girl. 212 00:11:49,710 --> 00:11:51,376 Everyone couldn't put on a stack of feathers 213 00:11:51,378 --> 00:11:52,911 and a big headpiece. 214 00:11:52,913 --> 00:11:55,914 So they made the categories where everybody... 215 00:11:55,916 --> 00:11:58,783 that's what really made the balls change. 216 00:11:58,785 --> 00:12:00,118 So there was more involvement. 217 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,021 Everyone that goes to one of these affairs now 218 00:12:03,023 --> 00:12:05,457 damn near participates. 219 00:12:05,459 --> 00:12:07,058 Eventually, over the course of a year's balls, 220 00:12:07,060 --> 00:12:10,929 they've all walked the runway 221 00:12:10,931 --> 00:12:12,163 in some category or another. 222 00:12:12,165 --> 00:12:14,999 Either you've got a nice body 223 00:12:15,001 --> 00:12:18,002 or you are very fashionable 224 00:12:18,004 --> 00:12:19,070 or you're very pretty 225 00:12:19,072 --> 00:12:22,107 or you're very real-looking. 226 00:12:22,109 --> 00:12:25,777 But there's always something there for everyone. 227 00:12:25,779 --> 00:12:30,381 And it's like... it's like in nature... 228 00:12:30,383 --> 00:12:32,517 I'm such a nature fan... 229 00:12:32,519 --> 00:12:35,153 the young ones are always bucking to move the... 230 00:12:35,155 --> 00:12:37,188 the old bulls out of the way. 231 00:12:37,190 --> 00:12:41,025 go through all these mad categories 232 00:12:41,027 --> 00:12:42,327 that I never can stay awake for. 233 00:12:43,429 --> 00:12:46,331 Upcoming pretty girl... 1986. 234 00:12:46,333 --> 00:12:48,166 Take it to the floor. 235 00:12:48,168 --> 00:12:50,468 They're showing off for the press. 236 00:12:50,470 --> 00:12:54,405 Audience, please back up and give them air! 237 00:12:56,409 --> 00:13:00,011 Next category... high fashion winter sportswear, 238 00:13:00,013 --> 00:13:02,881 the poconos versus the catskills. 239 00:13:05,418 --> 00:13:06,918 is there anyone walking? 240 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,120 Some children were asking me 241 00:13:09,122 --> 00:13:10,822 what I meant by "miss cheesecake." 242 00:13:10,824 --> 00:13:13,258 That means you must not only have a body, 243 00:13:13,260 --> 00:13:17,195 but you must be sexy. 244 00:13:32,178 --> 00:13:34,045 Going to school. 245 00:13:34,047 --> 00:13:35,313 School. 246 00:13:35,315 --> 00:13:37,348 Elementary. 247 00:13:37,350 --> 00:13:40,251 College. 248 00:13:40,253 --> 00:13:43,321 Not here. 249 00:13:43,323 --> 00:13:44,422 School. 250 00:13:51,030 --> 00:13:53,932 Looking like a girl going to school. 251 00:13:53,934 --> 00:13:57,235 Do she look like a girl going to school? 252 00:14:01,874 --> 00:14:03,508 Town and country. 253 00:14:03,510 --> 00:14:06,177 Exclusively done. 254 00:14:06,179 --> 00:14:10,949 Dupree! Dupree! Dupree! 255 00:14:10,951 --> 00:14:12,183 ...get into their suits. 256 00:14:12,185 --> 00:14:15,553 I said, the well-dressed men of the '80s, 257 00:14:15,555 --> 00:14:19,123 get into the suits and get into the pumps. 258 00:14:19,125 --> 00:14:22,994 In real life, you can't get a job as an executive 259 00:14:22,996 --> 00:14:25,530 unless you have the educational background 260 00:14:25,532 --> 00:14:27,532 and the opportunity. 261 00:14:27,534 --> 00:14:29,601 Now, the fact that you are not an executive 262 00:14:29,603 --> 00:14:33,271 is merely because of the social standing of life. 263 00:14:33,273 --> 00:14:34,873 That is just pure thing. 264 00:14:34,875 --> 00:14:37,575 Black people have a hard time getting anywhere. 265 00:14:37,577 --> 00:14:41,112 And those that do are usually straight. 266 00:14:41,114 --> 00:14:44,449 In a ballroom, you can be anything you want. 267 00:14:44,451 --> 00:14:48,186 but you're looking like an executive. 268 00:14:48,188 --> 00:14:50,088 And therefore you're showing the straight world that 269 00:14:50,090 --> 00:14:51,890 "I can be an executive. 270 00:14:51,892 --> 00:14:54,125 "If I had the opportunity, I could be one, 271 00:14:54,127 --> 00:14:55,994 because I can look like one." 272 00:14:55,996 --> 00:14:58,129 And that is like a fulfillment. 273 00:14:58,131 --> 00:15:00,331 Your peers, your friends are telling you, 274 00:15:00,333 --> 00:15:05,536 Is this the businessman of the '80s or what? 275 00:15:05,538 --> 00:15:09,540 High-fashion Parisian. Model's yvette. 276 00:15:09,542 --> 00:15:11,442 Chanté, chante. 277 00:15:11,444 --> 00:15:14,245 Chanté, chante, chanté, chanté, chante. 278 00:15:14,247 --> 00:15:17,415 Model! 279 00:15:17,417 --> 00:15:20,551 Thin! Streamlined! 280 00:15:20,553 --> 00:15:22,520 Trim! 281 00:15:22,522 --> 00:15:23,955 Model! 282 00:15:23,957 --> 00:15:25,924 The category is... 283 00:15:28,427 --> 00:15:29,327 You know what I mean! 284 00:15:29,329 --> 00:15:31,663 You know what Paris means. 285 00:15:31,665 --> 00:15:33,264 Exactly! Butch queen! 286 00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:34,332 Butch queen. 287 00:15:34,334 --> 00:15:35,233 Butch queen! 288 00:15:35,235 --> 00:15:37,635 Butch queen. Butch! 289 00:15:39,104 --> 00:15:42,140 First time in drag at a ball... that's what I wanted for me. 290 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,683 The military scene is a basic scene. 291 00:15:51,685 --> 00:15:53,084 It doesn't call for 292 00:15:53,086 --> 00:15:55,720 a bunch of flamboyant Turkey boas 293 00:15:55,722 --> 00:15:58,589 and bugle beads, rhinestone. 294 00:15:58,591 --> 00:16:01,626 It's a basic category. 295 00:16:01,628 --> 00:16:04,062 The more natural you are, 296 00:16:04,064 --> 00:16:07,532 the more credit your outfit is given. 297 00:16:07,534 --> 00:16:10,234 Come on, now, it is a known fact 298 00:16:10,236 --> 00:16:14,072 that a woman do carry an evening bag at dinnertime. 299 00:16:14,074 --> 00:16:17,141 There's no getting around that. 300 00:16:17,143 --> 00:16:21,980 between "all my children" and "jeopardy!"... 301 00:16:21,982 --> 00:16:24,015 "Another world," "Dallas," and the whole bit. 302 00:16:24,017 --> 00:16:25,717 A evening bag is a must. 303 00:16:25,719 --> 00:16:30,688 You have to carry something. No lady is sure at night. 304 00:16:30,690 --> 00:16:33,758 With the current children... the children that are young... 305 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,761 they've gone to television, you know? 306 00:16:36,763 --> 00:16:40,064 I've been to several balls, 307 00:16:40,066 --> 00:16:43,167 and they've actually had categories... 308 00:16:43,169 --> 00:16:45,236 "dynasty"... 309 00:16:45,238 --> 00:16:49,674 you know, want you to look like Alexis or Krystle. 310 00:16:52,711 --> 00:16:57,415 And I guess that's just, um, a statement of the times. 311 00:16:57,417 --> 00:17:00,385 When I grew up, you wanted to look like Marlene Dietrich, 312 00:17:00,387 --> 00:17:01,719 Betty grable. 313 00:17:02,554 --> 00:17:04,689 Fortunately, I didn't know 314 00:17:04,691 --> 00:17:08,026 that I really wanted to look like Lena horne. 315 00:17:08,028 --> 00:17:11,129 When I grew up, of course, you know... 316 00:17:12,064 --> 00:17:15,400 Black stars were stigmatized. 317 00:17:16,201 --> 00:17:19,137 Nobody wanted to look like Lena horne. 318 00:17:19,139 --> 00:17:23,174 Everybody wanted to look like Marilyn Monroe. 319 00:17:37,323 --> 00:17:39,257 When you're a man and a woman, 320 00:17:39,259 --> 00:17:41,159 you can do anything. 321 00:17:41,161 --> 00:17:42,393 You can... you can almost have sex on the streets 322 00:17:42,395 --> 00:17:44,796 if you want to. 323 00:17:44,798 --> 00:17:47,198 The most somebody will say is, "hey, get a hump for me." 324 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,369 But when you're gay, you monitor everything you do. 325 00:17:51,371 --> 00:17:53,738 You monitor how you look, how you dress, 326 00:17:53,740 --> 00:17:55,673 how you talk, how you act. 327 00:17:55,675 --> 00:17:59,844 "Did they see me? What did they think of me?" 328 00:18:06,853 --> 00:18:09,620 To be able to blend. 329 00:18:10,322 --> 00:18:12,824 That's what realness is. 330 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:22,166 If you can pass the untrained eye... 331 00:18:22,168 --> 00:18:24,268 or even the trained eye... 332 00:18:24,270 --> 00:18:26,838 and not give away the fact that you're gay, 333 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,673 that's when it's realness. 334 00:18:28,675 --> 00:18:29,874 Fangie. 335 00:18:29,876 --> 00:18:31,275 Looking like the boy that probably robbed you 336 00:18:31,277 --> 00:18:34,812 a few minutes before you came to Paris' ball. 337 00:18:36,148 --> 00:18:41,752 The idea of realness is to look as much as possible 338 00:18:41,754 --> 00:18:44,188 like your straight counterpart. 339 00:18:44,190 --> 00:18:46,324 Shake the dice and steal the rice! 340 00:18:46,326 --> 00:18:47,692 Right here. Come on, baby. 341 00:18:48,361 --> 00:18:50,228 Yes, daddy. 342 00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:52,196 I got my food stamps and card waiting. 343 00:18:52,198 --> 00:18:53,531 All right. 344 00:18:53,533 --> 00:18:55,867 Dust, coke, base, soap, rolaids... he got it. 345 00:18:55,869 --> 00:18:58,736 The realer you look, 346 00:18:58,738 --> 00:19:01,772 it means you look like a real woman. 347 00:19:01,774 --> 00:19:04,709 Or you look like a real man... 348 00:19:04,711 --> 00:19:08,279 A straight man. 349 00:19:10,782 --> 00:19:13,818 Sweetheart, with the cigarette, 350 00:19:13,820 --> 00:19:16,387 you're giving me a banji girl effect. 351 00:19:16,389 --> 00:19:18,823 This is banji. 352 00:19:18,825 --> 00:19:20,858 You know, the girls that be on the corner 353 00:19:20,860 --> 00:19:22,426 talking about your man. 354 00:19:22,428 --> 00:19:23,761 One that can hang out with the roughest... 355 00:19:23,763 --> 00:19:28,232 It's not a takeoff or a satire. 356 00:19:28,234 --> 00:19:31,569 No, it's actually being able to be this. 357 00:19:31,571 --> 00:19:34,605 Brenda Xtravaganza. 358 00:19:34,607 --> 00:19:38,342 Looking like a banji girl. 359 00:19:38,344 --> 00:19:38,943 Banji. 360 00:19:38,945 --> 00:19:40,811 Banji girl realness. 361 00:19:40,813 --> 00:19:43,814 You know, one that can take her little baby brother to school. 362 00:19:43,816 --> 00:19:45,616 One that say, "you know, like, um, hey. 363 00:19:45,618 --> 00:19:47,585 I saw a bunch of those things walking down the street." 364 00:19:47,587 --> 00:19:52,823 It's really a case of going back into the closet. 365 00:19:52,825 --> 00:19:54,792 10! 10! 366 00:19:54,794 --> 00:19:56,627 10! 10! 367 00:19:56,629 --> 00:19:58,329 Are there any more? 368 00:19:58,331 --> 00:20:01,265 Okay, girls, have we come to a decision? 369 00:20:01,267 --> 00:20:02,867 They give the society that they live in 370 00:20:02,869 --> 00:20:08,472 Rather than have to go through prejudices about your life 371 00:20:08,474 --> 00:20:09,707 and your lifestyle, 372 00:20:09,709 --> 00:20:11,676 you can walk around confidently, 373 00:20:11,678 --> 00:20:13,678 blending in with everybody else. 374 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,247 You've erased all the mistakes, 375 00:20:16,249 --> 00:20:18,649 all the flaws, all the giveaways 376 00:20:18,651 --> 00:20:20,952 to make your illusion perfect. 377 00:20:20,954 --> 00:20:24,288 Bernie... Diane... 378 00:20:24,290 --> 00:20:26,624 My mother knew I had trophies, 379 00:20:26,626 --> 00:20:28,693 but I was telling her I won them for basketball. 380 00:20:28,695 --> 00:20:30,394 And I had won trophies for running track. 381 00:20:30,396 --> 00:20:33,798 I was walking up 145th street with my girlfriends. 382 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,335 I had on white hot pants, a chiffon blouse, 383 00:20:37,337 --> 00:20:38,669 a pony tail. 384 00:20:38,671 --> 00:20:40,905 And my father was waiting for the light in his car. 385 00:20:40,907 --> 00:20:42,873 And he saw me. He recognized me. 386 00:20:42,875 --> 00:20:46,010 And he went straight to my house before I could get there 387 00:20:46,012 --> 00:20:47,979 and told my mother, 388 00:20:47,981 --> 00:20:49,313 "your son is a woman." 389 00:20:49,315 --> 00:20:52,016 She didn't press it then. 390 00:20:52,018 --> 00:20:53,884 But, like, maybe a few months later 391 00:20:53,886 --> 00:20:56,554 when she noticed that I had breasts, 392 00:20:56,556 --> 00:20:59,290 everything started coming together. 393 00:20:59,292 --> 00:21:01,726 She really was devastated. 394 00:21:01,728 --> 00:21:02,960 "How could you have breasts bigger than mine? 395 00:21:02,962 --> 00:21:05,029 "You're growing nails. 396 00:21:05,031 --> 00:21:07,865 "You're becoming a woman right before my very eyes. 397 00:21:07,867 --> 00:21:09,467 "I can't hold my head up. 398 00:21:09,469 --> 00:21:12,336 And she still loved me, 399 00:21:12,338 --> 00:21:13,904 but the nagging and the... 400 00:21:13,906 --> 00:21:17,441 oh, my God, about this women's clothes. 401 00:21:17,443 --> 00:21:20,344 And when I had women's clothes stashed in my closet 402 00:21:20,346 --> 00:21:22,480 and she found them, she would destroy them. 403 00:21:22,482 --> 00:21:23,881 She burnt up a mink coat. 404 00:21:23,883 --> 00:21:26,617 I was, oh... Devastated. 405 00:21:26,619 --> 00:21:28,786 She smelled the perfume in it that I liked to wear... 406 00:21:28,788 --> 00:21:30,621 which was jungle gardenia at the time... 407 00:21:30,623 --> 00:21:33,457 and she said, "this ain't no girl's coat. This is your coat." 408 00:21:33,459 --> 00:21:36,327 Took it downstairs in the backyard of the building 409 00:21:36,329 --> 00:21:37,628 and burned it. 410 00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:38,829 And I stood there and cried like a baby. 411 00:21:38,831 --> 00:21:41,932 As long I have the mustache and all that, 412 00:21:41,934 --> 00:21:43,434 it's cute for me. 413 00:21:43,436 --> 00:21:44,769 She don't want me being in no girls' clothes. 414 00:21:44,771 --> 00:21:47,371 She can't take it. 415 00:21:49,408 --> 00:21:50,941 When they're undetectable... 416 00:21:50,943 --> 00:21:52,843 when they can walk out of that ballroom 417 00:21:52,845 --> 00:21:55,413 into the sunlight and onto the subway 418 00:21:55,415 --> 00:21:58,082 and get home and still have all their clothes 419 00:21:58,084 --> 00:22:00,985 and no blood running off their bodies... 420 00:22:00,987 --> 00:22:04,555 those are the femme realness queens. 421 00:22:04,557 --> 00:22:08,626 And usually it's a category for young queens. 422 00:22:08,628 --> 00:22:11,495 Some of them say that we're sick, 423 00:22:11,497 --> 00:22:12,730 we're crazy. 424 00:22:12,732 --> 00:22:14,332 And some of them think 425 00:22:14,334 --> 00:22:17,868 that we are the most gorgeous, special things on earth. 426 00:22:20,605 --> 00:22:24,041 I would like to be a spoiled, rich white girl. 427 00:22:24,043 --> 00:22:26,644 They get what they want, 428 00:22:26,646 --> 00:22:28,045 whenever they want it. 429 00:22:28,047 --> 00:22:32,550 And they don't have to really struggle with finances 430 00:22:32,552 --> 00:22:35,119 and nice things and nice clothes. 431 00:22:35,121 --> 00:22:38,889 And they don't have to have that as a problem. 432 00:22:38,891 --> 00:22:43,094 I don't feel that there's anything mannish about me, 433 00:22:43,096 --> 00:22:46,864 except maybe what I might have between me down there, 434 00:22:46,866 --> 00:22:50,401 Which is my little personal thing, so... 435 00:22:50,403 --> 00:22:52,870 I guess that's why I want my sex change... 436 00:22:52,872 --> 00:22:55,773 to make myself complete. 437 00:22:55,775 --> 00:22:58,476 I was about 13, 14 years old, 438 00:22:58,478 --> 00:23:01,512 and I used to do it behind my family's back... 439 00:23:01,514 --> 00:23:04,682 till finally they caught on with it. 440 00:23:04,684 --> 00:23:06,484 And I didn't want to embarrass them, 441 00:23:06,486 --> 00:23:08,719 so that's when I moved away. 442 00:23:08,721 --> 00:23:13,657 I moved to New York, and I continued doing it. 443 00:23:15,427 --> 00:23:17,428 When someone has rejection 444 00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:19,063 from their mother and father, their family, 445 00:23:19,065 --> 00:23:23,167 they... when they get out in the world, they search. 446 00:23:23,169 --> 00:23:25,069 They search for someone to fill that void. 447 00:23:25,071 --> 00:23:27,538 I know this for experience, 448 00:23:27,540 --> 00:23:32,443 because I've had kids come to me and latch hold to me 449 00:23:32,445 --> 00:23:35,946 like I'm their mother or like I'm their father. 450 00:23:35,948 --> 00:23:39,049 'Cause they can talk to me, and I'm gay, and they're gay. 451 00:23:39,051 --> 00:23:41,786 And that's where a lot of that "ballness" 452 00:23:41,788 --> 00:23:44,755 and... and the mother business comes in. 453 00:23:44,757 --> 00:23:48,926 Because their real parents give them such a hard way to go, 454 00:23:48,928 --> 00:23:53,931 they look up to me to fill that void. 455 00:23:56,001 --> 00:23:56,934 How old are you? 456 00:23:56,936 --> 00:23:58,702 I'm 15. 457 00:23:58,704 --> 00:24:00,604 What time is it? 458 00:24:00,606 --> 00:24:02,606 Right here, homeboy. Look at the time over there. 459 00:24:02,608 --> 00:24:04,642 2:26. And y'all... how old are you? 460 00:24:04,644 --> 00:24:05,676 Me? I'm 13. 461 00:24:05,678 --> 00:24:07,144 13?! And you're out here at 2:26? 462 00:24:07,146 --> 00:24:08,179 Yeah. Where you live? 463 00:24:08,181 --> 00:24:09,713 Me, I live in Harlem. 464 00:24:09,715 --> 00:24:11,449 And why you down here? Where's your mother? 465 00:24:11,451 --> 00:24:13,050 Hanging out. I don't have a mother. 466 00:24:13,052 --> 00:24:15,453 Everybody has a mother, or we wouldn't be here. 467 00:24:15,455 --> 00:24:16,954 Where's your mother? She's gone. 468 00:24:16,956 --> 00:24:18,989 Where's your father? He's gone, too. 469 00:24:18,991 --> 00:24:20,191 So who you live with? 470 00:24:20,193 --> 00:24:21,158 With a friend. 471 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,193 And you too? 472 00:24:22,195 --> 00:24:23,594 I live with my mother in the Bronx. 473 00:24:23,596 --> 00:24:24,795 And y'all just hanging out like this at... 474 00:24:24,797 --> 00:24:26,931 Just hanging out. Right there inside. 475 00:24:26,933 --> 00:24:31,502 they come from such sad backgrounds, you know - 476 00:24:31,504 --> 00:24:33,871 broken homes or no home at all. 477 00:24:33,873 --> 00:24:35,539 And then the few that do have family, 478 00:24:35,541 --> 00:24:37,007 when the family finds that they're gay, 479 00:24:37,009 --> 00:24:38,943 they "X" them completely. 480 00:24:41,047 --> 00:24:42,546 A house? 481 00:24:42,548 --> 00:24:45,916 Let's see if we can put it down sharply. 482 00:24:45,918 --> 00:24:48,586 They're families. You can say that. 483 00:24:48,588 --> 00:24:52,990 For a lot of children who don't have families. 484 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,895 But this is a new meaning of "family." 485 00:24:57,897 --> 00:24:59,196 The hippies had families, 486 00:24:59,198 --> 00:25:01,799 and no one thought nothing about it. 487 00:25:01,801 --> 00:25:04,235 It wasn't a question of a man and a woman and children, 488 00:25:04,237 --> 00:25:07,271 which we grew up knowing as a family. 489 00:25:07,273 --> 00:25:12,743 It's a question of a group of human beings in a mutual bond. 490 00:25:25,223 --> 00:25:26,824 You know what a house is? 491 00:25:26,826 --> 00:25:28,926 I'll tell you what a house is. 492 00:25:28,928 --> 00:25:32,162 A house is a gay street gang. 493 00:25:32,164 --> 00:25:35,132 Now, where street gangs get their rewards 494 00:25:35,134 --> 00:25:37,201 from street fights, 495 00:25:37,203 --> 00:25:41,138 a gay house street-fights at a ball. 496 00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:46,644 And you street-fight at a ball by walking in the categories. 497 00:25:49,848 --> 00:25:55,152 The houses started because you wanted a name. 498 00:25:55,154 --> 00:25:58,155 The people that the houses are named after 499 00:25:58,157 --> 00:26:04,028 were ball walkers who became known for winning. 500 00:26:06,197 --> 00:26:09,199 Work... Paris... Dupree. 501 00:26:09,201 --> 00:26:13,170 After the first few houses were started 502 00:26:13,172 --> 00:26:15,172 and named after people who had won trophies, 503 00:26:15,174 --> 00:26:17,107 they also would create houses. 504 00:26:17,109 --> 00:26:20,311 Like, a new group of kids would just create a house, 505 00:26:20,313 --> 00:26:23,213 then they'd work at building its name up, which worked... 506 00:26:23,215 --> 00:26:25,249 the house of Xtravaganza, the house of Saint Laurent. 507 00:26:25,251 --> 00:26:27,818 Overness. 508 00:26:27,820 --> 00:26:29,219 Pendavis. 509 00:26:29,221 --> 00:26:29,753 Adonis. 510 00:26:29,755 --> 00:26:31,689 Lamay. 511 00:26:31,691 --> 00:26:33,657 Pendavis. 512 00:26:33,659 --> 00:26:34,625 Saint Laurent, of course. 513 00:26:38,130 --> 00:26:40,197 Dupree. 514 00:26:40,199 --> 00:26:43,133 They saw me, and they all liked me... 515 00:26:43,135 --> 00:26:45,736 all the rest of the Xtravaganzas... 516 00:26:45,738 --> 00:26:49,273 and they decided, "well, if you want to become an Xtravaganza", 517 00:26:49,275 --> 00:26:51,809 "you have to walk a ball for us. 518 00:26:51,811 --> 00:26:53,644 "And if you snatch a trophy, 519 00:26:53,646 --> 00:26:55,112 then you can become the Xtravaganza." 520 00:26:55,114 --> 00:26:59,249 That's how it's supposed to work with any... everyone. 521 00:26:59,251 --> 00:27:01,185 But, uh... 522 00:27:01,187 --> 00:27:02,219 Like, that wasn't with me. 523 00:27:02,221 --> 00:27:06,824 I just became an Xtravaganza. 524 00:27:06,826 --> 00:27:09,393 He's the one who started the house. 525 00:27:09,395 --> 00:27:13,998 He was the first gay man I ever met. 526 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,933 The first time he took me to the village... 527 00:27:15,935 --> 00:27:16,934 which was my birthday... 528 00:27:16,936 --> 00:27:19,770 I had just turned 15 years old. 529 00:27:19,772 --> 00:27:24,241 And he threw a party for me out there. 530 00:27:24,243 --> 00:27:25,843 He bought me a cake. 531 00:27:25,845 --> 00:27:29,647 I met a lot of drag queens, transvestites, 532 00:27:29,649 --> 00:27:32,116 that I didn't believe were because they were so beautiful. 533 00:27:32,118 --> 00:27:35,686 And that kind of sunk into my head. 534 00:27:35,688 --> 00:27:37,021 And I guess that's why 535 00:27:37,023 --> 00:27:38,255 it kind of made me want to even do it more. 536 00:27:38,257 --> 00:27:41,925 They treat each other like sisters, mm-hmm. 537 00:27:41,927 --> 00:27:44,261 Sisters... Or brothers... 538 00:27:44,263 --> 00:27:48,265 Or mothers or... 539 00:27:49,134 --> 00:27:52,102 You know, like, I say, "oh, that's my sister," 540 00:27:52,104 --> 00:27:54,304 because she's gay, too, and I'm gay, 541 00:27:54,306 --> 00:27:57,775 and she's a drag queen or whatever. 542 00:27:57,777 --> 00:27:59,877 My mother is Angie Xtravaganza, 543 00:27:59,879 --> 00:28:03,180 and my father is David Xtravaganza. 544 00:28:03,182 --> 00:28:06,183 The house of Xtravaganza has done a lot. 545 00:28:06,185 --> 00:28:08,686 It's made me feel like I have a family. 546 00:28:08,688 --> 00:28:10,354 We're always together. We're always... 547 00:28:10,356 --> 00:28:13,824 if we're not together, we always speak on the phone. 548 00:28:13,826 --> 00:28:15,292 My name is Angie Xtravaganza, 549 00:28:15,294 --> 00:28:17,327 and I am the mother of the house of Xtravaganza. 550 00:28:18,363 --> 00:28:20,731 When there's a ball, 551 00:28:20,733 --> 00:28:22,433 I'm always doing something for everybody in my house. 552 00:28:22,435 --> 00:28:24,368 I do that one's hair, the other one's makeup. 553 00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:29,039 Their accessories. I always offer advice. 554 00:28:29,041 --> 00:28:30,808 You know, I mean, as far as what I know 555 00:28:30,810 --> 00:28:33,744 and what I've been through in gay life. 556 00:28:33,746 --> 00:28:35,846 You know, I ran away from my house when I was 14, 557 00:28:35,848 --> 00:28:37,915 and I've learned all sorts of things... good and bad. 558 00:28:37,917 --> 00:28:42,286 And how to survive in gay world, you know, it's kind of hard. 559 00:28:42,288 --> 00:28:46,757 Xtravaganza power! 560 00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:47,257 I bought her her tits. 561 00:28:47,259 --> 00:28:49,226 I paid for them. 562 00:28:54,934 --> 00:28:56,333 Our mother even nurses us! 563 00:28:56,335 --> 00:28:57,401 She's a good woman. 564 00:29:03,342 --> 00:29:05,943 From the house of xtravaganza, 565 00:29:05,945 --> 00:29:08,112 for "mother of the year," 566 00:29:08,114 --> 00:29:09,780 keeping her children intact, 567 00:29:09,782 --> 00:29:14,251 can we have Angie xtravaganza? 568 00:29:17,522 --> 00:29:18,889 Work for us, girl. 569 00:29:18,891 --> 00:29:21,525 Work that runway. 570 00:29:21,527 --> 00:29:23,994 This is from Andre Christian, girl. 571 00:29:23,996 --> 00:29:25,496 My birthday will come, 572 00:29:25,498 --> 00:29:28,265 and I always get a birthday gift from Angie. 573 00:29:28,267 --> 00:29:30,801 Won't get one from my real mother. 574 00:29:30,803 --> 00:29:32,236 Like when I got thrown out of my house, 575 00:29:32,238 --> 00:29:36,440 Angie let me stay with her until I got myself together, 576 00:29:36,442 --> 00:29:37,241 and I got working. 577 00:29:37,243 --> 00:29:39,443 She always fed me. 578 00:29:39,445 --> 00:29:42,012 She can be a pain in the ass at times, 579 00:29:42,014 --> 00:29:43,934 but I wouldn't trade her in for any other mother. 580 00:29:45,383 --> 00:29:48,051 Ninja. 581 00:29:48,053 --> 00:29:50,320 You know, you have to have something to offer 582 00:29:50,322 --> 00:29:51,989 in order to lead. 583 00:29:51,991 --> 00:29:56,360 because she's usually the best one out of the group. 584 00:29:56,362 --> 00:29:59,196 I'm Willi Ninja, the mother of the House of Ninja. 585 00:29:59,198 --> 00:30:01,331 Give him what he wants! 586 00:30:01,333 --> 00:30:04,334 I am the mother of the house of Ninja 587 00:30:04,336 --> 00:30:08,071 because they say I'm the best voguer out. 588 00:30:08,073 --> 00:30:09,807 To be the mother of the house, 589 00:30:09,809 --> 00:30:11,408 you have to have the most power. 590 00:30:11,410 --> 00:30:12,876 Take a real family... 591 00:30:12,878 --> 00:30:15,179 it's the mother that's the hardest worker, 592 00:30:15,181 --> 00:30:17,815 and the mother gets the most respect. 593 00:30:17,817 --> 00:30:21,552 As far as my naming my house "the house of Ninja"... 594 00:30:21,554 --> 00:30:24,955 Ninjas hit hard, they hit fast... 595 00:30:24,957 --> 00:30:30,828 And that's what we are. We come out to assassinate. 596 00:30:30,830 --> 00:30:33,463 The house of Labeija is the legendary house 597 00:30:33,465 --> 00:30:34,898 above all of them. 598 00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:36,834 I have the most members, I'm the most popular. 599 00:30:36,836 --> 00:30:39,570 New York City is wrapped up in being Labeija. 600 00:30:39,572 --> 00:30:42,339 So... It speaks for itself. 601 00:30:42,341 --> 00:30:44,007 And I am the fiercest mother out of all of them. 602 00:30:44,009 --> 00:30:45,175 Labeija? 603 00:30:45,177 --> 00:30:47,611 I wouldn't be caught dead in that house. 604 00:30:47,613 --> 00:30:49,112 I'm sorry. I don't see that house. 605 00:30:49,114 --> 00:30:52,883 Only reason I see my house... pendavis... 606 00:30:52,885 --> 00:30:54,384 is because Kim and avis. 607 00:30:54,386 --> 00:30:56,286 'Cause both of them walked. 608 00:30:56,288 --> 00:30:59,456 And at the last ball, avis showed her goddamn ass off! 609 00:30:59,458 --> 00:31:02,893 They call them competitions. 610 00:31:02,895 --> 00:31:05,295 But believe me, they're wars. 611 00:31:05,297 --> 00:31:08,999 And they often do lead to fights. 612 00:31:09,001 --> 00:31:10,467 The emotions be very high. 613 00:31:10,469 --> 00:31:13,871 They're very intense, very intense affairs. 614 00:31:13,873 --> 00:31:15,906 But I guess that's what makes them fun. 615 00:31:15,908 --> 00:31:19,443 Like a good movie... if there's no emotion... 616 00:31:20,245 --> 00:31:21,612 You don't enjoy it. 617 00:31:21,614 --> 00:31:23,080 I don't talk too much about the ball kids 618 00:31:23,082 --> 00:31:26,550 because I want them to talk about me. 619 00:31:26,552 --> 00:31:28,318 Because I haven't walked yet. 620 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,921 And it's like, well, William says, 621 00:31:30,923 --> 00:31:33,557 "I want you to walk in my ball. I want you to walk in my ball." 622 00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:36,326 And I keep telling William, I say, "I'll walk when I walk." 623 00:31:36,328 --> 00:31:38,428 "I'll walk when I want, not when you want. 624 00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:39,663 I'll walk when I want." 625 00:31:39,665 --> 00:31:42,532 And so far, I don't know when I'm gonna walk. 626 00:31:42,534 --> 00:31:48,272 I'm thinking somewhat around the time of the legends ball. 627 00:31:48,274 --> 00:31:49,940 But don't quote me on that. 628 00:31:49,942 --> 00:31:52,609 I mean, it really causes hate, actually, 629 00:31:52,611 --> 00:31:53,944 between two individuals. 630 00:31:53,946 --> 00:31:57,147 It's like a war on the floor. 631 00:31:57,149 --> 00:31:58,682 Like world war III. 632 00:31:58,684 --> 00:32:00,364 But the only thing about it... they're gay. 633 00:32:07,258 --> 00:32:11,595 Now... cut the music... now, I said... 634 00:32:11,597 --> 00:32:16,199 I said, "men's garments"! 635 00:32:16,201 --> 00:32:19,102 He looked like he had on a man's fox coat. 636 00:32:19,104 --> 00:32:20,537 Tell this child, where are the men's garments? 637 00:32:20,539 --> 00:32:23,106 I paid for it, mother! 638 00:32:23,108 --> 00:32:24,341 A man bought it! 639 00:32:24,343 --> 00:32:25,575 It buttons on the right side! 640 00:32:25,577 --> 00:32:27,244 The judges... 641 00:32:27,246 --> 00:32:29,413 it buttons on the right side! 642 00:32:29,415 --> 00:32:32,582 Someone came up and told the emcee... 643 00:32:32,584 --> 00:32:33,583 Are you a judge?! 644 00:32:33,585 --> 00:32:35,185 That it was a woman's coat. 645 00:32:35,187 --> 00:32:37,621 I thought it was kind of silly 646 00:32:37,623 --> 00:32:39,957 to nitpick. 647 00:32:39,959 --> 00:32:41,558 Ooh, that's shady! 648 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,127 They're throwing shade at him. I can't believe it. 649 00:32:44,129 --> 00:32:45,195 Wait a minute. Wait a minute. 650 00:32:45,197 --> 00:32:48,231 Wait a minute. Wait a minute, now. 651 00:32:48,233 --> 00:32:50,233 Let's not get loud. 652 00:32:50,235 --> 00:32:54,404 Now, David. David. David. 653 00:32:54,406 --> 00:32:57,674 That's the one thing that I find faulty with the balls. 654 00:32:57,676 --> 00:32:59,409 After they've laid down these little categories, 655 00:32:59,411 --> 00:33:02,279 then they try to become a stickler 656 00:33:02,281 --> 00:33:03,647 for exact interpretation... 657 00:33:03,649 --> 00:33:07,617 merely a point to discredit the contestant. 658 00:33:07,619 --> 00:33:11,488 Like in an Olympics where the Russian judge 659 00:33:11,490 --> 00:33:15,158 brought to the fact that the American coach 660 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,593 had stepped onto the floor, 661 00:33:16,595 --> 00:33:21,031 and that was a disqualification for the contestant... 662 00:33:21,033 --> 00:33:23,200 just as picky as a ball. 663 00:33:23,202 --> 00:33:25,435 So those little flaws like that... 664 00:33:25,437 --> 00:33:28,071 that's because that's a part of shade. 665 00:33:28,073 --> 00:33:30,540 That's the idea... knock them out if you can. 666 00:33:30,542 --> 00:33:32,709 Get them any way you... hit them below the belt. 667 00:33:32,711 --> 00:33:33,577 It was typed out! The second... 668 00:33:33,579 --> 00:33:35,612 where is it? Where is it? 669 00:33:35,614 --> 00:33:37,347 Where is it? Where is it? 670 00:33:37,349 --> 00:33:38,348 Stop! No ball. 671 00:33:39,417 --> 00:33:41,785 Shade comes from reading. 672 00:33:41,787 --> 00:33:44,054 Reading came first. 673 00:33:44,056 --> 00:33:50,394 Reading is the real art form of insult. 674 00:33:50,396 --> 00:33:53,563 Now, you want to talk about reading? 675 00:33:53,565 --> 00:33:55,699 Let's talk about reading. 676 00:33:56,467 --> 00:33:58,201 What is wrong with you, Pedro? 677 00:33:58,203 --> 00:33:59,203 Are you going through it? 678 00:33:59,204 --> 00:34:00,203 You're going through some kind of 679 00:34:00,205 --> 00:34:03,340 psychological change in your life? 680 00:34:03,342 --> 00:34:04,574 She went back to be a man. 681 00:34:04,576 --> 00:34:06,476 Oh, you went back to being a man. 682 00:34:06,478 --> 00:34:08,712 Touch this skin, darling. 683 00:34:08,714 --> 00:34:10,313 Touch this skin, honey. 684 00:34:10,315 --> 00:34:11,415 Touch all of this skin. 685 00:34:11,417 --> 00:34:13,450 Okay? 686 00:34:13,452 --> 00:34:15,519 You just can't take it. 687 00:34:15,521 --> 00:34:19,122 You're just an overgrown orangutan. 688 00:34:19,124 --> 00:34:20,424 You get in a smart crack, 689 00:34:20,426 --> 00:34:23,260 and everyone laughs and kee-kees 690 00:34:23,262 --> 00:34:26,129 because you found a flaw and exaggerated it... 691 00:34:26,131 --> 00:34:28,231 then you've got a good read going. 692 00:34:28,233 --> 00:34:29,766 I am a person just like you. 693 00:34:29,768 --> 00:34:31,401 You cut me, I bleed the same way you do. 694 00:34:31,403 --> 00:34:32,502 I bleed the same color. 695 00:34:32,504 --> 00:34:34,471 If it's happening between 696 00:34:34,473 --> 00:34:36,373 the gay world and the straight world, 697 00:34:36,375 --> 00:34:41,611 It's more of an insult, a vicious slur-fight. 698 00:34:41,613 --> 00:34:43,447 See, see? There go my sister right there. 699 00:34:43,449 --> 00:34:45,849 She don't even want to even admit that she my sister. 700 00:34:45,851 --> 00:34:47,584 She a bulldagger. 701 00:34:47,586 --> 00:34:50,387 But it's how they develop a sense of how to read. 702 00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:53,857 That's my husband right there. 703 00:34:53,859 --> 00:34:55,492 And that's my girlfriend right there. 704 00:34:55,494 --> 00:34:58,095 They may call you a faggot or a drag queen. 705 00:34:58,097 --> 00:34:59,696 You find something to call them. 706 00:34:59,698 --> 00:35:04,101 But then when you are all of the same thing, 707 00:35:04,103 --> 00:35:06,536 then you have to go to the fine point. 708 00:35:06,538 --> 00:35:09,372 In other words, if I'm a black queen and you're a black queen, 709 00:35:09,374 --> 00:35:11,374 we can't call each other black queens 'cause we're both black queens. 710 00:35:11,376 --> 00:35:13,376 That's not a read. That's just a fact. 711 00:35:13,378 --> 00:35:16,580 So then we talk about your ridiculous shape. 712 00:35:16,582 --> 00:35:18,748 Your fa... saggy face. 713 00:35:18,750 --> 00:35:20,283 Your tacky clothes. 714 00:35:20,285 --> 00:35:21,551 Let me see what you are... spreading lies! 715 00:35:21,553 --> 00:35:22,719 Let's see. Oh! No paint! 716 00:35:22,721 --> 00:35:23,854 Yes, it's paint! It's paint! 717 00:35:23,856 --> 00:35:25,355 No mother paint, girl! 718 00:35:25,357 --> 00:35:28,358 What? She wears more makeup than my mother did! 719 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,728 Then reading became a developed form 720 00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:33,330 where it became shade. 721 00:35:33,332 --> 00:35:36,433 Shade is "I don't tell you you're ugly, 722 00:35:36,435 --> 00:35:40,670 but I don't have to tell you because you know you're ugly." 723 00:35:40,672 --> 00:35:42,372 And that's shade. 724 00:35:45,277 --> 00:35:47,210 Pump... 725 00:35:47,212 --> 00:35:48,912 Dip... 726 00:35:48,914 --> 00:35:50,480 Spin... 727 00:35:50,482 --> 00:35:53,283 Pump... 728 00:35:53,285 --> 00:35:55,218 Dip... 729 00:35:55,220 --> 00:35:57,187 Voguing is the same thing as, like, 730 00:35:57,189 --> 00:35:59,890 taking two knives and cutting each other up, 731 00:35:59,892 --> 00:36:01,324 but through a dance form. 732 00:36:01,326 --> 00:36:06,530 Pump... Dip... Spin... Vogue. 733 00:36:06,532 --> 00:36:07,497 Dip. 734 00:36:07,499 --> 00:36:11,368 Go... Turn... It... Out. 735 00:36:11,370 --> 00:36:12,602 Voguing came from shade 736 00:36:12,604 --> 00:36:15,639 because it was a dance that two people did 737 00:36:15,641 --> 00:36:16,506 because they didn't like each other. 738 00:36:16,508 --> 00:36:18,575 Instead of fighting, 739 00:36:18,577 --> 00:36:20,844 you would dance it out on the dance floor. 740 00:36:20,846 --> 00:36:22,345 And whoever did the better moves 741 00:36:22,347 --> 00:36:25,248 was throwing the best shade, basically. 742 00:36:25,250 --> 00:36:27,217 No touching. 743 00:36:27,219 --> 00:36:28,718 Neither one of you. 744 00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:31,354 If you touch, I'm chopping you. I'm telling you right now. 745 00:36:31,356 --> 00:36:34,224 You could take the pantomime form of the vogue... 746 00:36:34,226 --> 00:36:35,959 this is what, generally, sometimes I do 747 00:36:35,961 --> 00:36:38,728 is I make my hand into a form like a compact 748 00:36:38,730 --> 00:36:39,963 or a makeup kit. 749 00:36:39,965 --> 00:36:41,331 And I'm, like, beating my face with blush, 750 00:36:41,333 --> 00:36:44,634 shadows, or whatever, to the music. 751 00:36:44,636 --> 00:36:47,737 Then, usually, I'll turn the compact around 752 00:36:47,739 --> 00:36:49,272 to face that person... 753 00:36:49,274 --> 00:36:51,608 meaning, like, almost like my hand is a mirror... 754 00:36:51,610 --> 00:36:53,210 for them to get a look. 755 00:36:53,212 --> 00:36:54,544 Then I'll start doing their face, 756 00:36:54,546 --> 00:36:57,781 because what they have on their face right now 757 00:36:57,783 --> 00:36:59,916 needs a dramatic makeup job. 758 00:37:00,751 --> 00:37:03,320 So voguing's like a safe form of throwing shade. 759 00:37:03,322 --> 00:37:05,388 Paris... Dupree. 760 00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:08,458 Work. Paris... Dupree. 761 00:37:08,460 --> 00:37:10,360 Work. Whoo! 762 00:37:10,362 --> 00:37:12,529 All right, miss... 763 00:37:12,531 --> 00:37:13,463 Don't knock Paris. 764 00:37:24,775 --> 00:37:26,476 Come on, baby, take your time. 765 00:37:26,478 --> 00:37:29,379 Bring it to the judges. 766 00:37:29,381 --> 00:37:31,481 Judges, get into the form and the style. 767 00:37:31,483 --> 00:37:33,984 Work. Let's hear it for her. 768 00:37:33,986 --> 00:37:36,753 The name was taken from the magazine "vogue," 769 00:37:36,755 --> 00:37:39,356 because some of the movements of the dance 770 00:37:39,358 --> 00:37:42,826 are also the same as the poses inside the magazine. 771 00:37:42,828 --> 00:37:43,693 Work, damn it! 772 00:37:45,464 --> 00:37:48,898 The name is a statement in itself. 773 00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:50,400 I mean, you really wouldn't go to a ball 774 00:37:50,402 --> 00:37:53,303 to do the "mademoiselle." 775 00:37:53,305 --> 00:37:54,938 No way. 776 00:37:54,940 --> 00:37:58,742 Now I want all y'all up on the floor! 777 00:37:58,744 --> 00:38:01,678 New York and Jersey! 778 00:38:02,947 --> 00:38:06,349 Wake up! Come on! 779 00:38:06,351 --> 00:38:07,517 Whoo! 780 00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:10,420 Brother. This is Saint Laurent. 781 00:38:10,422 --> 00:38:12,822 Adonis. 782 00:38:12,824 --> 00:38:14,691 Overness. 783 00:38:14,693 --> 00:38:16,326 Bobby lamay. 784 00:38:19,397 --> 00:38:22,032 Whoo, I wish I knew how to do that. 785 00:38:22,034 --> 00:38:23,433 Mm-mm-mmm. 786 00:38:25,336 --> 00:38:27,470 Ouch! Work! Work! 787 00:38:27,472 --> 00:38:32,008 Work! Work! Work! 788 00:38:32,978 --> 00:38:38,682 the dance takes from the hieroglyphics 789 00:38:38,684 --> 00:38:40,483 of ancient Egypt. 790 00:38:40,485 --> 00:38:44,387 It also takes from some forms of gymnastics. 791 00:38:44,389 --> 00:38:48,758 They both strive for perfect lines in the body, 792 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,395 awkward positions, but it goes one step further. 793 00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:54,864 It's starting to make a name for itself, 794 00:38:54,866 --> 00:38:57,767 but I want it to be known worldwide, 795 00:38:57,769 --> 00:39:00,603 and I want to be on top of it when it hits. 796 00:39:00,605 --> 00:39:05,875 I want to take voguing not to just Paris is burning, 797 00:39:05,877 --> 00:39:08,912 but I want to take it to the real Paris 798 00:39:08,914 --> 00:39:11,114 and make the real Paris burn. 799 00:39:11,116 --> 00:39:12,816 That's what I want to do, 800 00:39:12,818 --> 00:39:16,553 and not just there, but to other countries as well. 801 00:39:16,555 --> 00:39:19,723 My house name is Ninja, 802 00:39:19,725 --> 00:39:21,858 and I would really like to take my whole house 803 00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:23,660 and go to Japan... 804 00:39:23,662 --> 00:39:26,363 And really let loose and do it and have them accept it there. 805 00:39:26,365 --> 00:39:29,799 I want to be a big star. 806 00:39:30,568 --> 00:39:36,806 Uh, known, generally, every corner of the world. 807 00:39:38,476 --> 00:39:42,612 You know, maybe as a choreographer, 808 00:39:42,614 --> 00:39:44,714 a famous dancer, 809 00:39:44,716 --> 00:39:47,650 a singer, or all of them. 810 00:39:47,652 --> 00:39:49,819 What the balls has to do with that, 811 00:39:49,821 --> 00:39:51,721 as far as the dance field, 812 00:39:51,723 --> 00:39:54,591 is maybe perfecting my craft a little better, 813 00:39:54,593 --> 00:39:57,494 to learn new things, 814 00:39:57,496 --> 00:39:58,962 new ideas, 815 00:39:58,964 --> 00:40:02,132 and bring them to the real world. 816 00:40:04,101 --> 00:40:08,571 It's been really unbelievable, my life. 817 00:40:08,573 --> 00:40:10,774 If I was to die today or tomorrow, 818 00:40:10,776 --> 00:40:13,143 I could not say I've not had an exciting life. 819 00:40:13,145 --> 00:40:16,946 I have had a fabu... and I'm not rich, mind you. 820 00:40:16,948 --> 00:40:18,481 Just imagine if I had the dollars. 821 00:40:18,483 --> 00:40:21,584 Ooh, it'd be too much for the world. 822 00:40:21,586 --> 00:40:24,187 If I had the riches and I had the fame, trust me, 823 00:40:24,189 --> 00:40:26,856 all of y'all in here would be rich... 824 00:40:26,858 --> 00:40:28,491 'Cause I'm very generous. 825 00:40:28,493 --> 00:40:29,726 You know, I can't... 826 00:40:29,728 --> 00:40:32,629 I wouldn't enjoy having a whole lot of money, 827 00:40:32,631 --> 00:40:35,999 like being a millionaire and hoarding it, you know? 828 00:40:36,001 --> 00:40:37,200 I'd share it with all my loved ones. 829 00:40:37,202 --> 00:40:39,769 You know, I'd want them to have it, too. 830 00:40:39,771 --> 00:40:41,104 We'd all have to go. 831 00:40:41,106 --> 00:40:43,106 I'd want to charter a plane, and we all fly to Paris. 832 00:40:49,180 --> 00:40:54,451 O-p-u-l-e-n-c-e... 833 00:40:54,453 --> 00:40:55,985 opulence. 834 00:40:59,223 --> 00:41:03,626 You own everything. 835 00:41:06,564 --> 00:41:09,799 Everything is yours. 836 00:41:26,217 --> 00:41:32,121 This is white America. 837 00:41:33,524 --> 00:41:36,659 Any other nationality 838 00:41:36,661 --> 00:41:39,896 that is not of the white set 839 00:41:39,898 --> 00:41:43,132 knows this and accepts this till the day they die. 840 00:41:43,134 --> 00:41:48,671 That is everybody's dream and ambition as a minority... 841 00:41:48,673 --> 00:41:53,743 to live and look as well as a white person. 842 00:41:53,745 --> 00:41:57,247 It is pictured as being in America. 843 00:41:57,249 --> 00:41:58,982 Every media you have, 844 00:41:58,984 --> 00:42:03,019 from TV to magazines to movies to films... 845 00:42:03,021 --> 00:42:05,222 I mean, the biggest thing that minority watches is what? 846 00:42:05,223 --> 00:42:08,291 "Dynasty" and "the Colbys." 847 00:42:08,293 --> 00:42:11,160 Um, "all my children," the soap operas. 848 00:42:11,162 --> 00:42:13,196 Everybody have a million-dollar bracket. 849 00:42:13,198 --> 00:42:17,000 When they showing you a commercial from honey grahams 850 00:42:17,002 --> 00:42:19,936 to crest or lestoil or pine-sol, 851 00:42:19,938 --> 00:42:23,006 everybody's in their own home. 852 00:42:23,008 --> 00:42:25,542 The little kids for fisher-price toys, 853 00:42:25,544 --> 00:42:27,744 they're not in no concrete playground. 854 00:42:27,746 --> 00:42:30,980 They're riding around the lawn. 855 00:42:30,982 --> 00:42:34,017 The pool is in the back. 856 00:42:34,019 --> 00:42:36,119 This is white America. 857 00:42:36,121 --> 00:42:38,221 And when it comes to the minorities, 858 00:42:38,223 --> 00:42:40,156 especially black... 859 00:42:40,158 --> 00:42:44,260 We, as a people for the past 400 years, 860 00:42:44,262 --> 00:42:47,897 is the greatest example of behavior modification 861 00:42:47,899 --> 00:42:50,767 in the history of civilization. 862 00:42:50,769 --> 00:42:54,203 We have had everything taken away from us, 863 00:42:54,205 --> 00:42:58,841 and yet we have all learned how to survive. 864 00:42:59,276 --> 00:43:02,078 That is why, in the ballroom circuit, 865 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,148 it is so obvious 866 00:43:05,150 --> 00:43:10,320 that if you have captured the great white way of living... 867 00:43:10,322 --> 00:43:13,056 Or looking... 868 00:43:13,058 --> 00:43:17,627 Or dressing or speaking... 869 00:43:17,629 --> 00:43:20,897 You is a marvel. 870 00:43:23,033 --> 00:43:26,202 I think if I could just be on TV or film or anything, 871 00:43:26,204 --> 00:43:29,238 I'd do that instead of the money. 872 00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:30,974 Of course, I do want the money 873 00:43:30,976 --> 00:43:33,242 because I want the luxury that goes with it. 874 00:43:33,244 --> 00:43:36,212 But... 875 00:43:36,214 --> 00:43:38,715 I want to be wealthy. 876 00:43:38,717 --> 00:43:41,250 If not wealthy, content, comfortable... 877 00:43:41,252 --> 00:43:44,320 You know? 878 00:43:44,322 --> 00:43:46,222 I want to be somebody. 879 00:43:46,224 --> 00:43:47,657 I mean, I am somebody. 880 00:43:47,659 --> 00:43:51,394 I just want to be a rich somebody. 881 00:43:51,396 --> 00:43:54,664 You ain't gonna tell me, you see her in the supermarket, 882 00:43:54,666 --> 00:43:57,266 and you're gonna say, "that's a hag." 883 00:43:57,268 --> 00:44:01,237 Women don't go out of their way because they are women. 884 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,706 I went out my way because I wasn't, 885 00:44:03,708 --> 00:44:06,142 and I felt that I wanted to be the best I can be. 886 00:44:06,144 --> 00:44:09,112 The Virginia slims girl is here. 887 00:44:09,114 --> 00:44:10,279 This was not a game for me or fun. 888 00:44:10,281 --> 00:44:13,049 This is something that I want to live. 889 00:44:13,051 --> 00:44:16,052 She's here in person. 890 00:44:16,054 --> 00:44:17,820 Hopefully, God willing, 891 00:44:17,822 --> 00:44:21,991 by 1988, I fully hope to become a full-fledged woman 892 00:44:21,993 --> 00:44:23,693 of the United States. 893 00:44:25,896 --> 00:44:28,931 You look at all these models on the wall. 894 00:44:28,933 --> 00:44:31,434 Every one of them are gorgeous. 895 00:44:31,436 --> 00:44:34,137 Every one of them are beautiful. 896 00:44:34,139 --> 00:44:37,073 But every one of them have their own look. 897 00:44:37,075 --> 00:44:39,876 This is my idol... Paulina. 898 00:44:39,878 --> 00:44:42,045 Someday I hope to be up there with her. 899 00:44:42,047 --> 00:44:43,913 If that could be me, 900 00:44:43,915 --> 00:44:45,948 I think I would be the happiest person in the world, 901 00:44:45,950 --> 00:44:49,819 just knowing that I can compare to Paulina, 902 00:44:49,821 --> 00:44:52,288 to stand next to her and to take pictures with her. 903 00:44:52,290 --> 00:44:55,191 And I look at her here, and I'd say she's seductive, 904 00:44:55,193 --> 00:44:58,094 and she's alluring. 905 00:44:58,096 --> 00:45:02,231 I look at her there, and I say she's sexy and provocative. 906 00:45:02,233 --> 00:45:03,866 I look at her here, 907 00:45:03,868 --> 00:45:06,703 and I think that she's childish and little-girl type. 908 00:45:06,705 --> 00:45:10,073 You know, and I look at her here, and it's the same. 909 00:45:10,075 --> 00:45:13,409 And I look at her here, and I think of wicked beauty. 910 00:45:13,411 --> 00:45:15,378 You know? That's how I see her. 911 00:45:15,380 --> 00:45:17,280 I-I admire her... 912 00:45:17,282 --> 00:45:21,417 you know, the red-hot fire of hair and... 913 00:45:21,419 --> 00:45:22,452 The whole bit. 914 00:45:24,188 --> 00:45:26,355 If you're not really trying hard enough, 915 00:45:26,357 --> 00:45:28,257 then I become hard. 916 00:45:28,259 --> 00:45:31,494 Do not believe just because I'm a guy that I cannot do it. 917 00:45:31,496 --> 00:45:33,429 In order to be a teacher and show girls how to do it, 918 00:45:33,431 --> 00:45:35,064 I have to know how to do it. 919 00:45:35,066 --> 00:45:36,866 I've taught for various shows, 920 00:45:36,868 --> 00:45:38,935 like for F.I.T., I've taught models. 921 00:45:38,937 --> 00:45:40,737 Girls that are from various agencies... 922 00:45:40,739 --> 00:45:41,738 they've come to me by word of mouth. 923 00:45:51,515 --> 00:45:55,752 New York City women are a little bit harder than most women. 924 00:45:55,754 --> 00:45:58,421 Basically, I'm trying to bring their femininity back 925 00:45:58,423 --> 00:46:00,223 and bring some grace and poise. 926 00:46:00,225 --> 00:46:01,958 You know, whether they become models or not, 927 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,328 it's nice to know because it's more attractive to men. 928 00:46:05,330 --> 00:46:06,963 The walk that she's doing... 929 00:46:06,965 --> 00:46:10,366 it's basically to get more movement in your hips naturally. 930 00:46:10,368 --> 00:46:11,901 Don't exaggerate. 931 00:46:20,511 --> 00:46:23,346 Most likely, she'll get what she wants. 932 00:46:23,348 --> 00:46:25,515 You know, especially if she's in a man's world, 933 00:46:25,517 --> 00:46:27,517 she can still have her equal rights, 934 00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:30,319 but be able to manipulate a man by using her feminine wiles. 935 00:46:30,321 --> 00:46:34,791 Are they soft? 936 00:46:34,793 --> 00:46:38,194 Looking from head to toe, would you know? 937 00:46:38,196 --> 00:46:40,797 - Is this realness or not? - Let it be mother hot. 938 00:46:46,570 --> 00:46:48,437 Miss octavia, you don't feel this realness? 939 00:46:48,439 --> 00:46:52,508 Where are you at, sister? Oops, you're right there. 940 00:47:06,291 --> 00:47:07,557 Labeija... 941 00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:09,425 Candy Labeija. 942 00:47:09,427 --> 00:47:11,594 Realness in the daytime, darling. 943 00:47:11,596 --> 00:47:14,564 She goes to school as a woman. 944 00:47:14,566 --> 00:47:16,132 Get into it. 945 00:47:16,134 --> 00:47:21,037 Get into both of them and see which one is realer. 946 00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:23,139 Feel the flesh or whatever it may be. 947 00:47:23,141 --> 00:47:25,208 Is it soft or not? 948 00:47:27,245 --> 00:47:29,278 It's soft. 949 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:30,613 Come, come, come. 950 00:47:30,615 --> 00:47:33,449 Score miss octavia first. 951 00:47:33,451 --> 00:47:36,118 Step forward to accept your scores. 952 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,121 10, 10, 10, 10, 10. 953 00:47:39,123 --> 00:47:41,123 Score Tennille. 954 00:47:45,463 --> 00:47:47,997 9, 10, 10. 955 00:47:51,970 --> 00:47:54,136 grand prize, octavia. 956 00:47:54,138 --> 00:47:55,638 First place, Tennille. 957 00:47:59,509 --> 00:48:02,578 There's people who sit home all day. 958 00:48:02,580 --> 00:48:04,547 They have potential, okay? 959 00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:07,583 I mean, they go to the balls, and they prove that they have potentials on 960 00:48:07,585 --> 00:48:10,553 actually selling a garment, okay? 961 00:48:10,555 --> 00:48:13,656 But they, like, "being that I have this potential", 962 00:48:13,658 --> 00:48:15,458 "the ballroom tells me, okay, 963 00:48:15,460 --> 00:48:19,495 the ballroom tells me that I'm somebody." 964 00:48:19,497 --> 00:48:21,664 But when the ballroom is over, when you come home, 965 00:48:21,666 --> 00:48:24,567 you have to convince yourself that you are somebody, 966 00:48:24,569 --> 00:48:26,569 and that's where they get lost. 967 00:48:36,948 --> 00:48:39,548 It's also in a magazine. 968 00:48:39,550 --> 00:48:41,550 What's the name of the magazine? 969 00:48:51,195 --> 00:48:53,930 when you could spend a great deal of time 970 00:48:53,932 --> 00:48:57,066 making outfits and preparing for something. 971 00:48:57,068 --> 00:48:59,001 Now they come very quickly, 972 00:48:59,003 --> 00:49:02,104 and the moods change very quickly. 973 00:49:02,106 --> 00:49:05,107 I come from the old school of big costumes... 974 00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:07,443 feathers and beads... 975 00:49:07,445 --> 00:49:09,278 and they don't have that anymore. 976 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:10,613 Now it's all about designers, 977 00:49:10,615 --> 00:49:13,249 and it's not about what you create, 978 00:49:13,251 --> 00:49:15,551 it's about what you can acquire. 979 00:49:16,653 --> 00:49:20,256 What do you think? 980 00:49:21,024 --> 00:49:23,125 Isn't that beautiful? 981 00:49:24,594 --> 00:49:29,598 $559... how's that for a simple dress? 982 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,168 If you have on a label, it means that you've, uh, 983 00:49:32,170 --> 00:49:35,438 you've got wealth, when it doesn't really, 984 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,740 'cause any shoplifter can get a label. 985 00:49:37,742 --> 00:49:39,375 You can't come down the runway 986 00:49:39,377 --> 00:49:42,645 in something for $14.99 or $49.99 987 00:49:42,647 --> 00:49:44,613 and say, "well, I'm lovely," 988 00:49:44,615 --> 00:49:47,383 and expect to win. 989 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,720 Okay, to describe... explain "mopping." 990 00:49:50,722 --> 00:49:54,657 Mopping, you go into a store, 991 00:49:54,659 --> 00:49:58,060 and... 992 00:49:58,062 --> 00:50:01,630 Just look for... look for whatever you want to see, 993 00:50:01,632 --> 00:50:03,199 look for whatever. 994 00:50:03,201 --> 00:50:05,401 Mopping is stealing. 995 00:50:05,403 --> 00:50:07,269 General stealing. 996 00:50:07,271 --> 00:50:10,006 However it's done, it's stealing. 997 00:50:10,008 --> 00:50:11,107 If you're working every day, 998 00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:14,143 you're struggling to buy this outfit. 999 00:50:14,145 --> 00:50:17,313 When you walk, you're like, "this is me." 1000 00:50:17,315 --> 00:50:19,382 And your facial expressions 1001 00:50:19,384 --> 00:50:22,318 as well as your means of projection of your outfit... 1002 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,254 it shows if you actually stole it or you purchased it. 1003 00:50:25,256 --> 00:50:26,722 You can actually tell? 1004 00:50:26,724 --> 00:50:29,025 You can actually tell. 1005 00:50:29,027 --> 00:50:32,194 Faggots are a stunt in themselves, regardless. 1006 00:50:32,196 --> 00:50:33,562 Make no mistake. 1007 00:50:33,564 --> 00:50:36,032 First, it come... okay, when it comes to a stunt, 1008 00:50:36,034 --> 00:50:38,634 it goes in... it goes in order. 1009 00:50:38,636 --> 00:50:42,238 It goes faggots, then girls, then boys, 1010 00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:43,806 because boys are the stupidest. 1011 00:50:43,808 --> 00:50:46,042 They don't know how to do a stunt right. 1012 00:50:46,044 --> 00:50:47,743 Now, faggots will do a stunt, 1013 00:50:47,745 --> 00:50:52,048 and I mean, you will never catch up with it until years later. 1014 00:50:52,050 --> 00:50:53,382 And then, I mean, you'll be like, 1015 00:50:53,384 --> 00:50:57,053 "oh, , this faggot pulled this stunt on me." 1016 00:50:57,055 --> 00:50:58,821 We went down there. We had fun. 1017 00:50:58,823 --> 00:51:01,123 We just act stupid and came back. 1018 00:51:01,125 --> 00:51:04,427 But I think the best thing we did was Roy Rogers. 1019 00:51:04,429 --> 00:51:05,561 That was fun. 1020 00:51:05,563 --> 00:51:07,329 You would have had something to eat, 1021 00:51:07,331 --> 00:51:08,631 'cause how much did you pay for that sandwich? 1022 00:51:08,633 --> 00:51:10,733 I don't remember... maybe $5. 1023 00:51:10,735 --> 00:51:13,702 Around $5? 1024 00:51:13,704 --> 00:51:17,740 That... make no mistake, we got your $5 back. 1025 00:51:17,742 --> 00:51:20,776 I had two double cheeseburgers, 1026 00:51:20,778 --> 00:51:25,214 two fries, a coke, a sprite, and an orange, 1027 00:51:25,216 --> 00:51:26,515 chicken, and chips. 1028 00:51:26,517 --> 00:51:27,750 Just going back and forth... I lived on that line. 1029 00:51:27,752 --> 00:51:31,487 We got over... around... around... 1030 00:51:31,489 --> 00:51:34,423 say, around $200 in food. 1031 00:51:34,425 --> 00:51:36,759 See, they put cheese on the meat. 1032 00:51:40,431 --> 00:51:41,697 I hope after this, 1033 00:51:41,699 --> 00:51:45,401 Roy Rogers does not change how it has its food 1034 00:51:45,403 --> 00:51:46,602 because if it does by this interview, 1035 00:51:46,604 --> 00:51:49,572 I will be so upset. 1036 00:51:49,574 --> 00:51:51,540 I will be so upset. 1037 00:51:51,542 --> 00:51:53,742 I'll be... 1038 00:51:53,744 --> 00:51:55,678 I'll be hurt, I'm telling you. 1039 00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,614 I really will be, 'cause I mean it. 1040 00:51:58,616 --> 00:52:02,118 Where else can you go in, get it done your way, 1041 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,521 Carla xtravaganza said... 1042 00:52:05,523 --> 00:52:09,391 will you please return her black patent-leather shoes, 1043 00:52:09,393 --> 00:52:11,360 size 7? 1044 00:52:11,795 --> 00:52:15,564 There is a reward. 1045 00:52:15,566 --> 00:52:17,533 She want her pumps. 1046 00:52:17,535 --> 00:52:20,302 She said it's not going to work, taking her shoes. 1047 00:52:20,304 --> 00:52:21,837 Give them back. 1048 00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:25,374 Daytime, if they go out, they're only going out... 1049 00:52:25,376 --> 00:52:29,278 To try to hustle up a quarter or two... 1050 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,916 To get their things for the ball or go to a little job. 1051 00:52:33,918 --> 00:52:35,484 A lot of them have little jobs now. 1052 00:52:35,486 --> 00:52:36,819 They work. Don't think they're lazy. 1053 00:52:36,821 --> 00:52:41,323 In New York City, you work, or you starve. 1054 00:52:41,325 --> 00:52:44,326 You work... some kind of work... 1055 00:52:44,328 --> 00:52:45,461 Legal or otherwise, 1056 00:52:45,463 --> 00:52:49,899 but you have to work to sustain yourself. 1057 00:52:49,901 --> 00:52:53,302 The legendary Tennille dupree 1058 00:52:53,304 --> 00:52:56,839 and the father of the house of ebony, Max Debuciak, 1059 00:52:56,841 --> 00:53:02,645 presents a night of living hell and punishment 1060 00:53:02,647 --> 00:53:04,947 at the imperial elks lodge, 1061 00:53:04,949 --> 00:53:08,317 160 west 129th street, 1062 00:53:08,319 --> 00:53:10,186 which is right here. 1063 00:53:10,188 --> 00:53:13,289 Doors open at 5:00 A.M. 1064 00:53:13,291 --> 00:53:16,759 Grand march is at 7:00 A.M. 1065 00:53:18,663 --> 00:53:23,799 the boys are usually later because of the fact 1066 00:53:23,801 --> 00:53:27,836 that we're waiting for the working girls to get there. 1067 00:53:27,838 --> 00:53:30,472 And what is it those girls are doing? 1068 00:53:30,474 --> 00:53:32,308 Well, they're making money for the balls, 1069 00:53:32,310 --> 00:53:35,377 or they're making their costumes, their outfits, 1070 00:53:35,379 --> 00:53:38,380 or, you know, getting it together like that. 1071 00:53:38,382 --> 00:53:39,848 What's their profession? 1072 00:53:39,850 --> 00:53:42,384 Usually showgirls... 1073 00:53:42,386 --> 00:53:44,320 usually, they're, you know, showgirls. 1074 00:53:44,322 --> 00:53:46,956 Uh-huh. Anything else? You know? 1075 00:53:46,958 --> 00:53:49,925 Well, it depends. It depends. 1076 00:53:49,927 --> 00:53:51,293 I don't know a lot of their professions, 1077 00:53:51,295 --> 00:53:55,664 but usually they're showgirls... usually. 1078 00:53:55,666 --> 00:53:57,933 The thing that helped me make my most money 1079 00:53:57,935 --> 00:54:00,736 through the escort service is being that I'm so little. 1080 00:54:00,738 --> 00:54:04,773 I'm so petite and tiny. 1081 00:54:04,775 --> 00:54:09,011 Um... The blond hair and the light skin 1082 00:54:09,013 --> 00:54:11,880 and the green eyes and the little features. 1083 00:54:11,882 --> 00:54:15,517 And the client's hands will be bigger than my hands 1084 00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:17,886 while they would hold my hand or something. 1085 00:54:17,888 --> 00:54:19,355 You know, they like feeling 1086 00:54:19,357 --> 00:54:22,791 that they're with something perfect and little, 1087 00:54:22,793 --> 00:54:25,594 and not someone that's bigger than them, 1088 00:54:25,596 --> 00:54:29,565 because I guess that kind of disturbs them. 1089 00:54:31,368 --> 00:54:33,802 Most all the drag queens that are involved in the balls, 1090 00:54:33,804 --> 00:54:38,540 they... 90% of them... are hustlers. 1091 00:54:38,542 --> 00:54:39,875 I guess that's how they make their money 1092 00:54:39,877 --> 00:54:43,712 to go to the balls and get whatever they need. 1093 00:54:43,714 --> 00:54:46,715 I used to hustle in New York to make my money. 1094 00:54:46,717 --> 00:54:50,019 I was with a guy, and he was playing with my titties 1095 00:54:50,021 --> 00:54:52,588 till he touched me down there. 1096 00:54:52,590 --> 00:54:55,624 He felt it, and he seen it, and he, like, totally flipped out. 1097 00:54:55,626 --> 00:54:59,461 He said, "you fucking faggot! You're a freak." 1098 00:54:59,463 --> 00:55:02,498 "You're a victim of aids, and you're trying to give me aids. 1099 00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:05,501 You're a homo. I should kill you." 1100 00:55:05,503 --> 00:55:07,703 You know, stuff like that. 1101 00:55:07,705 --> 00:55:11,407 And, like, I was really terrified. 1102 00:55:11,409 --> 00:55:13,509 So I just jumped out the window. 1103 00:55:13,511 --> 00:55:16,011 I grabbed my bag and just jumped out the window. 1104 00:55:16,013 --> 00:55:18,047 But see, now I don't like to hustle anymore. 1105 00:55:18,049 --> 00:55:21,350 I don't, and I'm afraid of what's going on... 1106 00:55:21,352 --> 00:55:24,553 the aids... and I don't want to catch it. 1107 00:55:24,555 --> 00:55:27,790 Like, later on this evening, I'm supposed to meet someone... 1108 00:55:27,792 --> 00:55:30,626 a friend of mine, a very good old friend of mine. 1109 00:55:30,628 --> 00:55:34,830 He's a young, very good, attractive, handsome young man. 1110 00:55:34,832 --> 00:55:40,536 And, um, he's taking me out to dinner later on this evening, 1111 00:55:40,538 --> 00:55:43,906 or for cocktails after midnight. 1112 00:55:43,908 --> 00:55:47,042 I know he'll give me some money... 1113 00:55:47,044 --> 00:55:50,913 Just for me to maybe buy a pair of shoes and a nice dress 1114 00:55:50,915 --> 00:55:55,684 so that the next time he sees me... 1115 00:55:55,686 --> 00:55:58,887 He'll see me looking more and more beautiful... 1116 00:55:58,889 --> 00:56:01,690 the way he wants to see me. 1117 00:56:01,692 --> 00:56:04,493 But I don't have to go to bed with him 1118 00:56:04,495 --> 00:56:06,095 or anything like that. 1119 00:56:06,097 --> 00:56:07,863 At times, they do expect sexual favors, 1120 00:56:07,865 --> 00:56:10,899 but that is between myself and them, 1121 00:56:10,901 --> 00:56:13,902 so I do not wish to further speak about that... 1122 00:56:13,904 --> 00:56:16,038 If they do. 1123 00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:20,676 But at most times, 99% of the time, they don't. 1124 00:56:20,678 --> 00:56:24,446 95% of the time, they don't. 1125 00:56:24,448 --> 00:56:27,950 But I feel like... 1126 00:56:27,952 --> 00:56:32,888 If you're married... a woman in the suburbs, 1127 00:56:32,890 --> 00:56:37,659 a regular woman... Is married to her husband, 1128 00:56:37,661 --> 00:56:43,599 and she wants him to buy her a washer and dryer set... 1129 00:56:43,601 --> 00:56:45,000 In order for him to buy that, 1130 00:56:45,002 --> 00:56:47,970 I'm sure she'd have to go to bed with him anyway 1131 00:56:47,972 --> 00:56:53,041 to give him what he wants for her to get what she wants. 1132 00:56:53,043 --> 00:56:57,746 So, in the long run, it all ends up the same way. 1133 00:57:02,152 --> 00:57:05,721 If money wasn't so important in the world today... 1134 00:57:05,723 --> 00:57:07,589 To survive... 1135 00:57:07,591 --> 00:57:12,494 I guess I wouldn't want anything but what I have now. 1136 00:57:12,996 --> 00:57:15,531 But since money does... 1137 00:57:15,533 --> 00:57:19,768 I hope that the way I look puts money in my pocket. 1138 00:57:19,770 --> 00:57:21,203 You know? 1139 00:57:21,205 --> 00:57:22,704 I'm really working hard. 1140 00:57:22,706 --> 00:57:25,741 I'm gonna work even harder. 1141 00:57:27,610 --> 00:57:29,778 Yeah. There we are. 1142 00:57:29,780 --> 00:57:31,713 That is lovely. Still. 1143 00:57:31,715 --> 00:57:34,550 Great. 1144 00:57:34,552 --> 00:57:35,951 Couldn't be better. 1145 00:57:35,953 --> 00:57:37,519 There... oh, it's beautiful like that for the light 1146 00:57:37,521 --> 00:57:39,121 when you kind of, you know, do this to the light. 1147 00:57:39,123 --> 00:57:41,757 I want people to look at me as, "there's the model octavia. 1148 00:57:41,759 --> 00:57:44,193 "There's the actress octavia. 1149 00:57:44,195 --> 00:57:47,529 There's miss supermodel of the world, octavia." 1150 00:57:47,531 --> 00:57:50,132 Is this endless, this catalog of poses? 1151 00:57:50,134 --> 00:57:53,502 I could keep going longer than you could. 1152 00:57:53,504 --> 00:57:55,838 Yeah, just there. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 1153 00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,675 I don't want to end up an old drag queen 1154 00:57:59,677 --> 00:58:01,844 with nothing going for me 1155 00:58:01,846 --> 00:58:04,580 but trying to win grand prize at a ball. 1156 00:58:04,582 --> 00:58:05,614 Yeah, no, back a little bit like you did. 1157 00:58:05,616 --> 00:58:07,983 Yes, that. 1158 00:58:07,985 --> 00:58:10,953 just coming around... yeah. 1159 00:58:10,955 --> 00:58:12,721 Right. Couldn't be better. 1160 00:58:12,723 --> 00:58:16,959 I don't think the world has been fair to me... 1161 00:58:16,961 --> 00:58:20,863 Lovely. Lovely. 1162 00:58:21,865 --> 00:58:24,900 I've been a man, and I've been a man who emulated a woman. 1163 00:58:24,902 --> 00:58:26,034 I've never been a woman. 1164 00:58:26,036 --> 00:58:30,706 I never had that service once a month. 1165 00:58:30,708 --> 00:58:32,674 I've never been pregnant. 1166 00:58:32,676 --> 00:58:34,776 You know, I can never say how a woman feels. 1167 00:58:34,778 --> 00:58:37,112 I can only say how a man who acts like a woman 1168 00:58:37,114 --> 00:58:39,515 or dresses like a woman feels. 1169 00:58:39,517 --> 00:58:41,049 I never wanted to have a sex change. 1170 00:58:41,051 --> 00:58:44,553 That's just taking it a little too far, you know? 1171 00:58:44,555 --> 00:58:46,955 Because if you decide later on in life to change your mind, 1172 00:58:46,957 --> 00:58:49,725 you can't... once it's gone, it's gone. 1173 00:58:49,727 --> 00:58:52,628 A lot of kids that I know, they got the sex change because they felt, 1174 00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:56,598 "oh, I've been treated so bad as a drag queen. 1175 00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,034 "If I get a"... excuse the expression... 1176 00:58:59,036 --> 00:59:00,969 "I'll be treated fabulous." 1177 00:59:00,971 --> 00:59:03,038 But women get treated bad. 1178 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,273 You know, they get beat, 1179 00:59:04,275 --> 00:59:05,741 they get robbed, they get dogged. 1180 00:59:05,743 --> 00:59:08,710 So having the vagina, 1181 00:59:08,712 --> 00:59:10,679 that doesn't mean that you're gonna have a fabulous life. 1182 00:59:10,681 --> 00:59:14,149 It might, in fact, be worse, you know. 1183 00:59:14,151 --> 00:59:15,617 So I've never recommended it, 1184 00:59:15,619 --> 00:59:17,553 and I myself would have never, ever got it, 1185 00:59:17,555 --> 00:59:20,222 and I'm so thankful that I was that smart, 1186 00:59:20,224 --> 00:59:22,024 because right about now, 1187 00:59:22,026 --> 00:59:24,826 this next 40 or so years that I'm gonna be here, 1188 00:59:24,828 --> 00:59:26,194 I'm gonna live. 1189 00:59:26,196 --> 00:59:28,196 And for those children that can't take the fact 1190 00:59:28,198 --> 00:59:31,300 that I still look youthful, ha! Suffer. 1191 00:59:31,302 --> 00:59:35,270 No bags, no lines. Lovely. 1192 00:59:39,342 --> 00:59:40,776 America's nice. 1193 00:59:40,778 --> 00:59:43,145 You can do what you want if you have the money. 1194 00:59:43,147 --> 00:59:45,180 You can be what you want, certainly. 1195 00:59:45,182 --> 00:59:47,316 Look at me. 1196 00:59:47,318 --> 00:59:50,118 In, um, '84, 1197 00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,989 I've had a nose reconstructed... job. 1198 00:59:53,991 --> 00:59:55,958 I've had my cheekbones risen. 1199 00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,227 I've had a chin implant and breast implants. 1200 00:59:59,229 --> 01:00:01,163 Yes, tell them like it is. 1201 01:00:01,165 --> 01:00:05,300 The most important factor in my life 1202 01:00:05,302 --> 01:00:07,069 that has been completed recently 1203 01:00:07,071 --> 01:00:09,905 is that I've had a transsexualism operation. 1204 01:00:09,907 --> 01:00:12,107 That means I've had a sex change. 1205 01:00:12,109 --> 01:00:14,076 I'm no longer a man. 1206 01:00:14,078 --> 01:00:15,744 I am a woman. 1207 01:00:15,746 --> 01:00:18,180 I feel great. 1208 01:00:18,182 --> 01:00:21,049 I'm very happy. She has to rub it in. 1209 01:00:21,051 --> 01:00:24,286 And I feel like the part of my life that was a secret 1210 01:00:24,288 --> 01:00:25,654 is now closed. 1211 01:00:25,656 --> 01:00:26,755 I can close the closet door. 1212 01:00:26,757 --> 01:00:28,724 There are no more skeletons in there. 1213 01:00:28,726 --> 01:00:30,759 And I'm as free as the wind 1214 01:00:30,761 --> 01:00:34,029 that's blowing out on this beach. 1215 01:00:38,968 --> 01:00:42,204 Except that voice is still there. 1216 01:00:42,206 --> 01:00:44,206 Oh! 1217 01:00:44,208 --> 01:00:45,641 As free as this beach. 1218 01:00:56,086 --> 01:00:57,786 Free gift today at the dior counter. 1219 01:00:57,788 --> 01:01:01,056 Sample poison by dior, ladies. 1220 01:01:01,058 --> 01:01:04,793 Sample the elegance today... poison by dior. 1221 01:01:04,795 --> 01:01:06,695 Can I sample it? 1222 01:01:06,697 --> 01:01:09,665 Yes. Dior's poison. 1223 01:01:10,867 --> 01:01:11,900 Very nice. 1224 01:01:11,902 --> 01:01:12,868 Delicious, yes? 1225 01:01:15,672 --> 01:01:16,772 Folks, please keep moving. 1226 01:01:16,774 --> 01:01:19,207 We're trying to keep the aisles clear. 1227 01:01:19,209 --> 01:01:21,877 Please keep moving. 1228 01:01:21,879 --> 01:01:23,779 ...The Ford search for the supermodel of the year, 1229 01:01:23,781 --> 01:01:26,915 the seventh search of this type. 1230 01:01:26,917 --> 01:01:29,451 Mrs. Ford is here with two of her top models, 1231 01:01:29,453 --> 01:01:32,120 and we're interviewing candidates 1232 01:01:32,122 --> 01:01:35,190 who hope to become the supermodel of the year. 1233 01:01:35,192 --> 01:01:38,160 Clients like models who will be helpful, 1234 01:01:38,162 --> 01:01:40,996 who never say the clothes are terrible even if they are, 1235 01:01:40,998 --> 01:01:43,999 because after all, not everything is perfect. 1236 01:01:44,001 --> 01:01:47,335 They... they have to make the least perfect of clothes 1237 01:01:47,337 --> 01:01:48,904 look like a dior. 1238 01:01:48,906 --> 01:01:51,239 And so they can't just say, 1239 01:01:51,241 --> 01:01:53,709 "that's the worst thing I've ever seen." 1240 01:01:53,711 --> 01:01:56,244 You know, they have to make it look good. 1241 01:01:56,246 --> 01:01:58,780 They have to be very, very cooperative. 1242 01:01:58,782 --> 01:02:00,148 And they have to be cheerful. 1243 01:02:00,150 --> 01:02:01,717 Nobody likes to go in and hear your troubles, you know? 1244 01:02:01,719 --> 01:02:03,919 When people ask you how you feel, 1245 01:02:03,921 --> 01:02:06,455 don't tell them if you're sick 'cause they don't really care. 1246 01:02:06,457 --> 01:02:07,856 Then you drop it off. 1247 01:02:07,858 --> 01:02:10,058 3, 2, 1. 1248 01:02:10,060 --> 01:02:12,427 But while the faces of the '80s stood on line, 1249 01:02:12,429 --> 01:02:15,130 the feet of the '80s did some waiting... 1250 01:02:15,132 --> 01:02:16,832 half an hour and round the block, 1251 01:02:16,834 --> 01:02:17,766 all the way to third Avenue. 1252 01:02:17,768 --> 01:02:19,901 One of these young ladies 1253 01:02:19,903 --> 01:02:22,771 could become the supermodel of the world. 1254 01:02:22,773 --> 01:02:23,839 Exciting? 1255 01:02:25,508 --> 01:02:27,509 Try again. 1256 01:02:29,245 --> 01:02:35,150 How does this type of thing square with women's lib? 1257 01:02:35,152 --> 01:02:36,952 What about men? Do they take you seriously? 1258 01:02:36,954 --> 01:02:38,053 Or when they hear you're a model, 1259 01:02:38,055 --> 01:02:39,521 how does their reaction change to you? 1260 01:02:39,523 --> 01:02:42,357 What about, like I asked before, 1261 01:02:42,359 --> 01:02:44,459 does this square with the women's lib movement? 1262 01:02:44,461 --> 01:02:46,461 Can I have a few of you over here? 1263 01:02:46,463 --> 01:02:48,330 Okay, can I have a few more women? 1264 01:02:50,300 --> 01:02:51,433 Fine. Nice to meet you, too. I'm shari. 1265 01:02:51,435 --> 01:02:53,902 Shari, my name's Janet. 1266 01:02:53,904 --> 01:02:55,871 Hi, Janet. So you want to be a model? 1267 01:02:55,873 --> 01:02:58,140 Yes. So you need an application. 1268 01:02:58,142 --> 01:02:59,441 Actually, I was in this contest. That's how I started. 1269 01:02:59,443 --> 01:03:01,810 That's me. I can't believe that. 1270 01:03:01,812 --> 01:03:04,412 Yeah, that's 5 years ago. You still look great. 1271 01:03:04,414 --> 01:03:05,547 Thanks. Thanks a lot. 1272 01:03:05,549 --> 01:03:08,450 We look at 75,000 pictures. 1273 01:03:08,452 --> 01:03:11,086 Well, you know, that's the average amount 1274 01:03:11,088 --> 01:03:13,255 that we look at each contest. 1275 01:03:13,257 --> 01:03:16,324 What have girls become? Are they... are they the same? 1276 01:03:16,326 --> 01:03:17,926 How are they different? 1277 01:03:17,928 --> 01:03:22,230 Girls are not different from yesterday or the day before. 1278 01:03:22,232 --> 01:03:24,833 Everybody who's young has a hope and a dream... 1279 01:03:24,835 --> 01:03:28,136 And I don't think that it's ever been any different 1280 01:03:28,138 --> 01:03:29,805 in the history of the world. 1281 01:03:33,075 --> 01:03:35,510 I believe that there's a big future out there 1282 01:03:35,512 --> 01:03:40,348 with a lot of beautiful things... 1283 01:03:40,350 --> 01:03:43,318 A lot of handsome men... 1284 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,387 A lot of luxury. 1285 01:03:45,389 --> 01:03:47,956 I want a car. 1286 01:03:47,958 --> 01:03:50,559 I want to be with a man I love. 1287 01:03:50,561 --> 01:03:53,562 I want a nice home away from New York, 1288 01:03:53,564 --> 01:03:57,399 up the Peekskills or maybe in Florida... 1289 01:03:57,401 --> 01:04:00,168 somewhere far where no one knows me. 1290 01:04:00,170 --> 01:04:02,904 I want my sex change. 1291 01:04:02,906 --> 01:04:05,607 I want to live a normal, happy life, 1292 01:04:05,609 --> 01:04:08,610 whether it's being married and adopting children, 1293 01:04:08,612 --> 01:04:14,015 whether it's being famous and rich. 1294 01:04:14,017 --> 01:04:18,520 I want to get married in church in white. 1295 01:04:19,322 --> 01:04:20,488 Sometimes I sit, and I look at a magazine. 1296 01:04:20,490 --> 01:04:23,525 I try to imagine myself in the front cover 1297 01:04:23,527 --> 01:04:27,562 or even inside. 1298 01:04:27,564 --> 01:04:29,497 I want to be a complete woman, 1299 01:04:29,499 --> 01:04:35,070 and I want to be a professional model behind cameras 1300 01:04:35,072 --> 01:04:37,472 in the high-fashion world. 1301 01:04:37,474 --> 01:04:41,643 I want so much more. I want... 1302 01:04:41,645 --> 01:04:46,882 I want my name to be a household product. 1303 01:04:46,884 --> 01:04:51,620 I want everybody to look at me and say, "there goes octavia." 1304 01:04:51,622 --> 01:04:54,489 I want this. This is what I want. 1305 01:04:54,491 --> 01:04:58,226 And I'm gonna go for it. 1306 01:05:05,102 --> 01:05:07,335 Oh, me! 1307 01:05:08,304 --> 01:05:12,641 Amy xtravaganza! 1308 01:05:16,380 --> 01:05:20,382 Amy xtravaganza! 1309 01:05:20,384 --> 01:05:22,417 Swinging... 1310 01:05:22,419 --> 01:05:24,419 Vogue. 1311 01:05:26,489 --> 01:05:27,989 Vogue. Vogue. 1312 01:05:27,991 --> 01:05:29,925 Vogue. Vogue. 1313 01:05:29,927 --> 01:05:32,027 Amy. 1314 01:05:33,629 --> 01:05:38,633 Previously, I, uh, introduced rap music 1315 01:05:38,635 --> 01:05:41,002 along with dancing... 1316 01:05:41,004 --> 01:05:45,941 To Japanese people, and they really loved it. 1317 01:05:45,943 --> 01:05:48,243 This, ladies and gentlemen, is voguing, 1318 01:05:48,245 --> 01:05:51,379 a form of dance that has its roots in Harlem... 1319 01:05:51,381 --> 01:05:52,981 a takeoff on runway modeling, 1320 01:05:52,983 --> 01:05:56,051 which they had plenty of last night as well. 1321 01:05:56,986 --> 01:06:00,388 Voguing is an attitude, a style. 1322 01:06:00,390 --> 01:06:02,257 It's... It's... 1323 01:06:02,259 --> 01:06:04,459 A kind of an institutionalized showing off. 1324 01:06:04,461 --> 01:06:06,494 But not without its entertainment value. 1325 01:06:06,496 --> 01:06:10,432 Something very spectacular, very important... Art form. 1326 01:06:10,434 --> 01:06:11,599 Very important. 1327 01:06:11,601 --> 01:06:14,602 It's just so theatrical, and the energy... 1328 01:06:14,604 --> 01:06:16,438 oh, it's just terrific. 1329 01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,974 In addition to perhaps putting voguing in vogue, 1330 01:06:18,976 --> 01:06:22,711 this love ball sponsored by the design industries foundation for aids 1331 01:06:22,713 --> 01:06:26,181 raised more than $350,000 for research 1332 01:06:26,183 --> 01:06:27,749 and housing for the homeless who have aids. 1333 01:06:27,751 --> 01:06:31,519 And I have never seen anything quite like it. 1334 01:06:31,521 --> 01:06:34,422 I'm Connie Collins, news 4, Manhattan. 1335 01:06:34,424 --> 01:06:39,260 Two years ago, I was working in a health-food store, 1336 01:06:39,262 --> 01:06:42,030 still teaching and trying to perform on my own. 1337 01:06:42,032 --> 01:06:47,035 But now, my foot is, like, in every little doorstep 1338 01:06:47,037 --> 01:06:47,702 that you can think of. 1339 01:06:47,704 --> 01:06:49,771 Um... 1340 01:06:49,773 --> 01:06:53,008 I'm doing a lot of runway work, 1341 01:06:53,010 --> 01:06:56,478 um, dancing... performing for Malcolm Mclaren, 1342 01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,614 various other people, doing choreography, 1343 01:06:59,616 --> 01:07:01,783 helping people put their shows together. 1344 01:07:01,785 --> 01:07:03,351 So it's going very good. 1345 01:07:06,256 --> 01:07:08,456 This earring that I have here, is... 1346 01:07:08,458 --> 01:07:09,791 I bought this in Japan. 1347 01:07:09,793 --> 01:07:12,360 As you can see, it says "house couture." 1348 01:07:12,362 --> 01:07:14,662 I can't read the rest of it. It has a scissor 1349 01:07:14,664 --> 01:07:16,731 and it has "Jr. Gaultier, '89" on there, of course. 1350 01:07:16,733 --> 01:07:18,767 It's a Gaultier label emblem. 1351 01:07:18,769 --> 01:07:23,304 I bought it, mind you. I have the receipt still... 1352 01:07:23,306 --> 01:07:25,206 where, I don't know, but I bought it. 1353 01:07:31,313 --> 01:07:34,049 The balls have kind of gotten toned down 1354 01:07:34,051 --> 01:07:36,051 compared to what it used to be. 1355 01:07:36,053 --> 01:07:38,053 Now when I tell people what it is, 1356 01:07:38,055 --> 01:07:41,222 and they go, and it's not what they expect, you know, 1357 01:07:41,224 --> 01:07:44,426 it's like they feel, like, a little bit of a letdown, you know? 1358 01:07:44,428 --> 01:07:47,362 And they say, "it was long, it was dragged out, it was boring." 1359 01:07:47,364 --> 01:07:49,397 Okay, the balls are always long and dragged out, 1360 01:07:49,399 --> 01:07:53,735 I really do kind of miss the street element. 1361 01:07:53,737 --> 01:07:55,570 I mean, but everything changes, 1362 01:07:55,572 --> 01:07:57,772 and everything's been changing drastically. 1363 01:07:57,774 --> 01:08:03,845 You know, um, New York's not even the same anymore. 1364 01:08:31,774 --> 01:08:34,509 I always said to her, "Venus, you take too many chances." 1365 01:08:34,511 --> 01:08:36,377 "You're too wild with people in the streets. 1366 01:08:36,379 --> 01:08:40,482 But that was Venus. She always took a chance. 1367 01:08:40,484 --> 01:08:42,450 She always went into strangers' cars. 1368 01:08:42,452 --> 01:08:47,188 She always did what she wanted to get what she wanted. 1369 01:08:48,190 --> 01:08:51,326 I had a booking for a Christmas show at Sally's, 1370 01:08:51,328 --> 01:08:55,497 and the D.T.S came to me with a picture of her murdered, 1371 01:08:55,499 --> 01:08:57,132 and they were about to cremate her 1372 01:08:57,134 --> 01:08:59,567 'cause nobody had came to verify the body, 1373 01:08:59,569 --> 01:09:01,769 and I was the one that had to give all this information 1374 01:09:01,771 --> 01:09:04,372 down to her family. 1375 01:09:04,374 --> 01:09:06,341 Actually, they found her dead after 4 days, 1376 01:09:06,343 --> 01:09:09,878 strangled under a bed in a sleazy hotel in New York City. 1377 01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:11,846 I'm hungry. 1378 01:09:11,848 --> 01:09:18,453 and, you know, she was like my right hand, as far as I'm concerned. 1379 01:09:18,455 --> 01:09:21,289 I miss her. Every time I go anywhere, I miss her. 1380 01:09:21,291 --> 01:09:23,358 That was my main... 1381 01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,760 the main daughter of my house, in other words. 1382 01:09:25,762 --> 01:09:27,529 But that's part of life, 1383 01:09:27,531 --> 01:09:32,267 as far as being a transsexual in New York City and surviving. 1384 01:09:37,473 --> 01:09:40,909 I always had hopes of being a big star. 1385 01:09:43,546 --> 01:09:44,779 And then I looked... 1386 01:09:44,781 --> 01:09:47,882 as you get older, you aim a little lower. 1387 01:09:47,884 --> 01:09:51,519 And I just say, "well, yeah, you still might make an impression." 1388 01:09:51,521 --> 01:09:54,189 Everybody wants to leave something behind them... 1389 01:09:54,191 --> 01:09:57,559 some impression, some mark upon the world. 1390 01:09:57,561 --> 01:09:59,827 Then you think... 1391 01:09:59,829 --> 01:10:02,864 You've left a mark on the world... 1392 01:10:05,267 --> 01:10:07,802 If you just get through it... 1393 01:10:09,805 --> 01:10:12,974 And a few people remember your name. 1394 01:10:13,742 --> 01:10:15,944 Then you left a mark. 1395 01:10:18,314 --> 01:10:21,482 You don't have to bend the whole world. 1396 01:10:23,219 --> 01:10:26,654 I think it's better to just enjoy it. 1397 01:10:29,592 --> 01:10:30,959 Pay your dues... 1398 01:10:31,827 --> 01:10:35,330 And enjoy it. 1399 01:10:36,498 --> 01:10:39,734 If you shoot an arrow and it goes real high, 1400 01:10:39,736 --> 01:10:41,836 hooray for you. 1401 01:11:23,513 --> 01:11:24,846 bring the cameras closer, Mr. Demille. 1402 01:11:24,848 --> 01:11:28,683 I'm ready for my closeup. And so... 1403 01:11:48,038 --> 01:11:50,938 Okay, winter sportswear... 1404 01:11:50,940 --> 01:11:54,475 Preferably fur, but if not, you know, 1405 01:11:54,477 --> 01:11:56,744 you can... natural fibers. 1406 01:11:56,746 --> 01:11:58,880 If... if you choose a polyester, God help you. 1407 01:11:58,882 --> 01:12:00,882 You know how the children are. 1408 01:12:22,572 --> 01:12:25,573 okay, you add "U-G" at the end of your word, right? 1409 01:12:25,575 --> 01:12:27,608 But you have to take off the first letter 1410 01:12:27,610 --> 01:12:30,478 or the first letters until you get into a vowel. 1411 01:13:14,423 --> 01:13:17,859 I'm not looking for anything. I think all men are dogs. 1412 01:13:17,861 --> 01:13:19,160 I honestly do. 1413 01:13:19,162 --> 01:13:23,464 You know, every man starts barking sooner or later. 1414 01:13:27,736 --> 01:13:29,704 I'm a quiet person. 1415 01:13:29,706 --> 01:13:31,672 And if you believe that... 1416 01:13:31,674 --> 01:13:33,941 you know, I own that island right over there, too. 1417 01:14:18,887 --> 01:14:20,788 They want to be with their kind. 1418 01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:23,991 Right. They want to be gay. 1419 01:14:23,993 --> 01:14:25,793 'Cause partly, like, just like... 1420 01:14:25,795 --> 01:14:28,729 all right, just like, again, just like a community. 1421 01:14:28,731 --> 01:14:29,897 In a religious community, 1422 01:14:29,899 --> 01:14:33,167 they want to pray together a lot, right? 1423 01:14:33,169 --> 01:14:35,837 Well, this gay community might want to... 1424 01:14:35,839 --> 01:14:40,475 or... or they, like, want to be together. 1425 01:15:13,942 --> 01:15:18,246 All right! All right! 1426 01:15:44,006 --> 01:15:47,575 Work at it! Work! 1427 01:16:18,340 --> 01:16:20,808 So, this is New York City. 1428 01:16:20,810 --> 01:16:24,579 And this is what the gay life is about. 1429 01:16:24,581 --> 01:16:26,314 Right? 105524

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