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She's ready to...
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Right?
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I'm... I remember
my dad used to say,
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"you have three strikes
against you in this world.
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"Every black man has two...
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"that they're just black,
and they're a male.
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You're gonna have
a hard time."
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And he said,
"if you're gonna do this,
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than you ever imagined."
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May have to open the door.
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Y'all have to open
that door, too.
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Get off the floor.
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Get off the floor!
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Learn it,
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and learn it well.
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All right, miss Heather!
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Ohhh!
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Girl, give me those
mother heel!
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Do you want me to say
who I am and all of that?
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"I'm Pepper Labeija,
and I'm..."
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I am Pepper Labeija,
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the legendary mother
of the house of Labeija.
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Not the founder...
crystal was the founder.
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I... I just rule it now...
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With a soft glove.
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And it's important
to me to be the mother,
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'cause there's so many little
kids that I have to look out for.
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Although they
don't listen to me,
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and they buck my authority,
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I still think
I rule it pretty well.
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They like me.
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I'm one of
the more popular ones,
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and I've been around
for two decades...
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reigning, that is.
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You know, I've got more
grand prizes than all the rest.
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Gay people... men...
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and decide to have a
competition amongst themselves.
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Balls.
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I went to a ball.
I got a trophy.
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And now everybody
wants to know me.
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This movie is about
the ball circuit
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and the gay people
that's involved in it
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and how each person's life
brought them to this circuit.
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It's like crossing into the
looking glass in wonderland.
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You go in there, and you feel...
you feel 100% right...
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as... of being gay.
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And that's not what
it's like in the world.
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That's not what it's like
in the world.
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That's not what it's like
in the world.
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You know, it should be
like that in the world.
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This society, going to
a football game, basketball...
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that's their entertainment.
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You know, a ball is ours.
We prepare for a ball.
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We may spend more time
preparing for a ball
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than anybody would spend
preparing for anything else.
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You know,
a ball is like our world.
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The balls, to us,
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is as close to reality
as we're gonna get
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to all of that fame and fortune
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and stardom and spotlights.
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I'd always see the way
that rich people lived.
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And I'd feel it more,
you know...
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it would slap me in the face.
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I'd say,
"I'd have to have that."
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Because I never felt
comfortable being poor.
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Or even middle class
doesn't suit me.
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Seeing the riches,
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seeing the way people
on "dynasty" lived...
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And I would think,
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"these people have 42 rooms
in their house.
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Oh, my God.
What kind of a house is that?"
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And we've got three.
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So why is it that
they can have it and I didn't?
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I always felt cheated
out of things like that.
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You have space to do
all that you intend to.
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Now, the categories are...
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butch queen, 1 through 17.
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And for the girls,
18 through 30.
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As far as
all of y'all not walking,
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please realize that we all...
at one time or another...
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have lusted to walk
a ballroom floor.
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So give the patrons
and the contestants, you know,
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a round of applause for nerve.
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'Cause with y'all
vicious mother,
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it do take nerve.
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Believe me.
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We're not going to be shady,
just fierce.
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Those balls are more or less
like our fantasy
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of being a superstar.
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You know, like the oscars
or whatever.
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Or being on a runway
as a model.
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You know, a lot of those kids
that are in the balls,
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they don't have two of nothing.
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Some of them don't even eat.
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They come to balls starving.
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And they sleep
in the under-21,
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or they sleep on the pier
or wherever.
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They don't have
a home to go to.
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But they'll go out,
and they'll steal something
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and get dressed up and come
to a ball for that one night
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and live the fantasy.
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A ball is the very word...
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whatever you want to be,
you be.
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So at a ball, you have a chance
to display your arrogance,
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your seductiveness,
your beauty, your wit,
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You can become anything
and do anything
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right here, right now,
and it won't be questioned.
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I came. I saw. I conquered.
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Give her what she want.
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She'll bring it to you
every ball.
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Why y'all gagging so?
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I guess I like
the excitement.
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You know, it's them cheering
and screaming if you were good.
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And that's what got me,
'cause I like the competition.
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Makes me stronger.
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It makes me think more.
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Makes me want to come back
and get them.
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It's not just the winning.
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It's... it's the giving, too.
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'Cause I feel that I give
a lot of enjoyment
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to a lot of people
that go to balls.
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And they enjoy to see it,
and I enjoy to walk for them.
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So that's my... Philosophy,
as I should say.
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To be legendary is like...
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their goal is to be legendary.
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You know, let you know,
"I'm legendary, you're not."
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That's... you know,
it feels good to them.
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An Oscar.
A Oscar, right.
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It's the same thing.
You know?
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Become a legend...
you have an Oscar.
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It's the same thing.
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I don't really
consider myself a real legend.
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I... I've been at the balls
with the legendary children,
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and I've stamped myself
with the legendary children.
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But I'm really...
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I'm one of top,
upcoming children... legendary.
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You have legendary children
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and upcoming legendary children.
Right.
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We're the upcoming ones.
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We've been out longer
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than the ones
that are here now.
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And we done had our... we have
our status in the ballroom.
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How long did it take you
to do the tank top?
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An hour?
Yes.
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You don't do that.
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It usually doesn't take you
an hour to do a shirt,
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especially a tank top?
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Mnh-mnh.
That's not your speed.
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Kim pendavis!
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Statement... future legend.
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Kim and me have...
we've been together...
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and it's more or less me,
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I'm the one
that's Kim's protége,
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because I go with Kim
to the balls,
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help him out, help him iron.
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'Cause if I don't go
to a ball with him and iron,
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I mean, he'll be here wrinkled.
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Or he'd be there ironing.
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But, you know,
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it helps out when somebody else
is there in your corner,
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at your side,
to say, "yeah, you can do it."
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"You're gonna be fine.
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Just go out there and do
what you usually do."
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Just simple, you know,
joy and satisfaction.
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you know,
I don't really ask much.
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And then, from time to time,
later on I can wear the outfit.
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Yeah!
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Work!
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Liz Taylor is famous...
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So is Pepper Labeija.
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In a sense, so am I.
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But a very much
different quantity.
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No magazine's gonna run up to
cover me if I go to a premier.
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But it's still a fame.
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It's a small fame.
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But you absorb,
and you take it.
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And you like it.
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You like the adulation,
the applause...
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The people cheering you on...
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The winning.
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It's like, uh, a physical high.
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It's... you know,
it's a good high.
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It's an addictive high,
like all highs...
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in the long run...
turn out to be.
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But it's a high
that won't hurt you.
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If everybody went to balls
and did less drugs,
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it'd be a fun world,
wouldn't it?
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I'm dressing, of course,
to go do a show.
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Because I've always
done this professionally.
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And I was a dancer.
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And I'm trying to remember
when the first time I went to
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a ball.
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That was the early-type ball,
when everybody just walked,
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and they gave away,
like, four or five prizes
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in a very limited category.
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And the children now...
most of them...
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75% of the children
you see at the ball
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wouldn't know what a ball was
if it knocked them in the head.
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When I first started
going to balls,
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it was all about drag queens,
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and they were interested
in looking like
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Las Vegas show girls...
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backpieces, tailpieces,
feathers, beads, and all that.
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But as the '70s rolled around,
the thing started changing.
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It started coming down
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to just wanting to look like
a gorgeous movie star,
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like Marilyn Monroe,
Elizabeth Taylor.
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And now they've went from that
to trying to look like models
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like Iman and Christie Brinkley
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and maud Adams
and all those children.
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Everyone couldn't be
a Las Vegas show girl.
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Everyone couldn't put on
a stack of feathers
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and a big headpiece.
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So they made the categories
where everybody...
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that's what really made
the balls change.
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So there was more involvement.
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Everyone that goes to one of
these affairs now
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damn near participates.
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Eventually, over the course
of a year's balls,
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they've all walked the runway
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in some category or another.
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Either you've got a nice body
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or you are very fashionable
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or you're very pretty
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or you're very real-looking.
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But there's always something
there for everyone.
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And it's like...
it's like in nature...
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I'm such a nature fan...
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the young ones are always
bucking to move the...
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the old bulls out of the way.
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go through
all these mad categories
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that I never can
stay awake for.
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Upcoming pretty girl... 1986.
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Take it to the floor.
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They're showing off
for the press.
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Audience, please back up
and give them air!
237
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Next category... high fashion
winter sportswear,
238
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the poconos
versus the catskills.
239
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is there anyone walking?
240
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Some children were asking me
241
00:13:09,122 --> 00:13:10,822
what I meant
by "miss cheesecake."
242
00:13:10,824 --> 00:13:13,258
That means you must
not only have a body,
243
00:13:13,260 --> 00:13:17,195
but you must be sexy.
244
00:13:32,178 --> 00:13:34,045
Going to school.
245
00:13:34,047 --> 00:13:35,313
School.
246
00:13:35,315 --> 00:13:37,348
Elementary.
247
00:13:37,350 --> 00:13:40,251
College.
248
00:13:40,253 --> 00:13:43,321
Not here.
249
00:13:43,323 --> 00:13:44,422
School.
250
00:13:51,030 --> 00:13:53,932
Looking like a girl
going to school.
251
00:13:53,934 --> 00:13:57,235
Do she look like a girl
going to school?
252
00:14:01,874 --> 00:14:03,508
Town and country.
253
00:14:03,510 --> 00:14:06,177
Exclusively done.
254
00:14:06,179 --> 00:14:10,949
Dupree! Dupree! Dupree!
255
00:14:10,951 --> 00:14:12,183
...get into their suits.
256
00:14:12,185 --> 00:14:15,553
I said, the well-dressed men
of the '80s,
257
00:14:15,555 --> 00:14:19,123
get into the suits
and get into the pumps.
258
00:14:19,125 --> 00:14:22,994
In real life, you can't
get a job as an executive
259
00:14:22,996 --> 00:14:25,530
unless you have
the educational background
260
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and the opportunity.
261
00:14:27,534 --> 00:14:29,601
Now, the fact that
you are not an executive
262
00:14:29,603 --> 00:14:33,271
is merely because of
the social standing of life.
263
00:14:33,273 --> 00:14:34,873
That is just pure thing.
264
00:14:34,875 --> 00:14:37,575
Black people have a hard time
getting anywhere.
265
00:14:37,577 --> 00:14:41,112
And those that do
are usually straight.
266
00:14:41,114 --> 00:14:44,449
In a ballroom, you can be
anything you want.
267
00:14:44,451 --> 00:14:48,186
but you're looking like
an executive.
268
00:14:48,188 --> 00:14:50,088
And therefore you're showing
the straight world that
269
00:14:50,090 --> 00:14:51,890
"I can be an executive.
270
00:14:51,892 --> 00:14:54,125
"If I had the opportunity,
I could be one,
271
00:14:54,127 --> 00:14:55,994
because I can look like one."
272
00:14:55,996 --> 00:14:58,129
And that is like a fulfillment.
273
00:14:58,131 --> 00:15:00,331
Your peers,
your friends are telling you,
274
00:15:00,333 --> 00:15:05,536
Is this the businessman
of the '80s or what?
275
00:15:05,538 --> 00:15:09,540
High-fashion Parisian.
Model's yvette.
276
00:15:09,542 --> 00:15:11,442
Chanté, chante.
277
00:15:11,444 --> 00:15:14,245
Chanté, chante, chanté,
chanté, chante.
278
00:15:14,247 --> 00:15:17,415
Model!
279
00:15:17,417 --> 00:15:20,551
Thin! Streamlined!
280
00:15:20,553 --> 00:15:22,520
Trim!
281
00:15:22,522 --> 00:15:23,955
Model!
282
00:15:23,957 --> 00:15:25,924
The category is...
283
00:15:28,427 --> 00:15:29,327
You know what I mean!
284
00:15:29,329 --> 00:15:31,663
You know what Paris means.
285
00:15:31,665 --> 00:15:33,264
Exactly!
Butch queen!
286
00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:34,332
Butch queen.
287
00:15:34,334 --> 00:15:35,233
Butch queen!
288
00:15:35,235 --> 00:15:37,635
Butch queen.
Butch!
289
00:15:39,104 --> 00:15:42,140
First time in drag at a ball...
that's what I wanted for me.
290
00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,683
The military scene
is a basic scene.
291
00:15:51,685 --> 00:15:53,084
It doesn't call for
292
00:15:53,086 --> 00:15:55,720
a bunch of
flamboyant Turkey boas
293
00:15:55,722 --> 00:15:58,589
and bugle beads, rhinestone.
294
00:15:58,591 --> 00:16:01,626
It's a basic category.
295
00:16:01,628 --> 00:16:04,062
The more natural you are,
296
00:16:04,064 --> 00:16:07,532
the more credit
your outfit is given.
297
00:16:07,534 --> 00:16:10,234
Come on, now,
it is a known fact
298
00:16:10,236 --> 00:16:14,072
that a woman do carry
an evening bag at dinnertime.
299
00:16:14,074 --> 00:16:17,141
There's no getting around that.
300
00:16:17,143 --> 00:16:21,980
between "all my children"
and "jeopardy!"...
301
00:16:21,982 --> 00:16:24,015
"Another world," "Dallas,"
and the whole bit.
302
00:16:24,017 --> 00:16:25,717
A evening bag is a must.
303
00:16:25,719 --> 00:16:30,688
You have to carry something.
No lady is sure at night.
304
00:16:30,690 --> 00:16:33,758
With the current children...
the children that are young...
305
00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,761
they've gone
to television, you know?
306
00:16:36,763 --> 00:16:40,064
I've been to several balls,
307
00:16:40,066 --> 00:16:43,167
and they've actually
had categories...
308
00:16:43,169 --> 00:16:45,236
"dynasty"...
309
00:16:45,238 --> 00:16:49,674
you know, want you to look
like Alexis or Krystle.
310
00:16:52,711 --> 00:16:57,415
And I guess that's just, um,
a statement of the times.
311
00:16:57,417 --> 00:17:00,385
When I grew up, you wanted to
look like Marlene Dietrich,
312
00:17:00,387 --> 00:17:01,719
Betty grable.
313
00:17:02,554 --> 00:17:04,689
Fortunately, I didn't know
314
00:17:04,691 --> 00:17:08,026
that I really wanted to look
like Lena horne.
315
00:17:08,028 --> 00:17:11,129
When I grew up, of course,
you know...
316
00:17:12,064 --> 00:17:15,400
Black stars were stigmatized.
317
00:17:16,201 --> 00:17:19,137
Nobody wanted to look
like Lena horne.
318
00:17:19,139 --> 00:17:23,174
Everybody wanted to look
like Marilyn Monroe.
319
00:17:37,323 --> 00:17:39,257
When you're a man
and a woman,
320
00:17:39,259 --> 00:17:41,159
you can do anything.
321
00:17:41,161 --> 00:17:42,393
You can... you can almost
have sex on the streets
322
00:17:42,395 --> 00:17:44,796
if you want to.
323
00:17:44,798 --> 00:17:47,198
The most somebody will say is,
"hey, get a hump for me."
324
00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,369
But when you're gay,
you monitor everything you do.
325
00:17:51,371 --> 00:17:53,738
You monitor how you look,
how you dress,
326
00:17:53,740 --> 00:17:55,673
how you talk, how you act.
327
00:17:55,675 --> 00:17:59,844
"Did they see me?
What did they think of me?"
328
00:18:06,853 --> 00:18:09,620
To be able to blend.
329
00:18:10,322 --> 00:18:12,824
That's what realness is.
330
00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:22,166
If you can pass
the untrained eye...
331
00:18:22,168 --> 00:18:24,268
or even the trained eye...
332
00:18:24,270 --> 00:18:26,838
and not give away
the fact that you're gay,
333
00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,673
that's when it's realness.
334
00:18:28,675 --> 00:18:29,874
Fangie.
335
00:18:29,876 --> 00:18:31,275
Looking like the boy
that probably robbed you
336
00:18:31,277 --> 00:18:34,812
a few minutes before
you came to Paris' ball.
337
00:18:36,148 --> 00:18:41,752
The idea of realness
is to look as much as possible
338
00:18:41,754 --> 00:18:44,188
like your straight counterpart.
339
00:18:44,190 --> 00:18:46,324
Shake the dice
and steal the rice!
340
00:18:46,326 --> 00:18:47,692
Right here.
Come on, baby.
341
00:18:48,361 --> 00:18:50,228
Yes, daddy.
342
00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:52,196
I got my food stamps
and card waiting.
343
00:18:52,198 --> 00:18:53,531
All right.
344
00:18:53,533 --> 00:18:55,867
Dust, coke, base,
soap, rolaids... he got it.
345
00:18:55,869 --> 00:18:58,736
The realer you look,
346
00:18:58,738 --> 00:19:01,772
it means you look like
a real woman.
347
00:19:01,774 --> 00:19:04,709
Or you look like a real man...
348
00:19:04,711 --> 00:19:08,279
A straight man.
349
00:19:10,782 --> 00:19:13,818
Sweetheart,
with the cigarette,
350
00:19:13,820 --> 00:19:16,387
you're giving me
a banji girl effect.
351
00:19:16,389 --> 00:19:18,823
This is banji.
352
00:19:18,825 --> 00:19:20,858
You know, the girls
that be on the corner
353
00:19:20,860 --> 00:19:22,426
talking about your man.
354
00:19:22,428 --> 00:19:23,761
One that can hang out
with the roughest...
355
00:19:23,763 --> 00:19:28,232
It's not a takeoff
or a satire.
356
00:19:28,234 --> 00:19:31,569
No, it's actually being
able to be this.
357
00:19:31,571 --> 00:19:34,605
Brenda Xtravaganza.
358
00:19:34,607 --> 00:19:38,342
Looking like a banji girl.
359
00:19:38,344 --> 00:19:38,943
Banji.
360
00:19:38,945 --> 00:19:40,811
Banji girl realness.
361
00:19:40,813 --> 00:19:43,814
You know, one that can take her
little baby brother to school.
362
00:19:43,816 --> 00:19:45,616
One that say,
"you know, like, um, hey.
363
00:19:45,618 --> 00:19:47,585
I saw a bunch of those things
walking down the street."
364
00:19:47,587 --> 00:19:52,823
It's really a case of
going back into the closet.
365
00:19:52,825 --> 00:19:54,792
10! 10!
366
00:19:54,794 --> 00:19:56,627
10! 10!
367
00:19:56,629 --> 00:19:58,329
Are there any more?
368
00:19:58,331 --> 00:20:01,265
Okay, girls,
have we come to a decision?
369
00:20:01,267 --> 00:20:02,867
They give the society
that they live in
370
00:20:02,869 --> 00:20:08,472
Rather than have to go through
prejudices about your life
371
00:20:08,474 --> 00:20:09,707
and your lifestyle,
372
00:20:09,709 --> 00:20:11,676
you can
walk around confidently,
373
00:20:11,678 --> 00:20:13,678
blending in
with everybody else.
374
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,247
You've erased all the mistakes,
375
00:20:16,249 --> 00:20:18,649
all the flaws,
all the giveaways
376
00:20:18,651 --> 00:20:20,952
to make your illusion perfect.
377
00:20:20,954 --> 00:20:24,288
Bernie... Diane...
378
00:20:24,290 --> 00:20:26,624
My mother knew
I had trophies,
379
00:20:26,626 --> 00:20:28,693
but I was telling her
I won them for basketball.
380
00:20:28,695 --> 00:20:30,394
And I had won trophies
for running track.
381
00:20:30,396 --> 00:20:33,798
I was walking up 145th street
with my girlfriends.
382
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,335
I had on white hot pants,
a chiffon blouse,
383
00:20:37,337 --> 00:20:38,669
a pony tail.
384
00:20:38,671 --> 00:20:40,905
And my father was waiting
for the light in his car.
385
00:20:40,907 --> 00:20:42,873
And he saw me.
He recognized me.
386
00:20:42,875 --> 00:20:46,010
And he went straight to my house
before I could get there
387
00:20:46,012 --> 00:20:47,979
and told my mother,
388
00:20:47,981 --> 00:20:49,313
"your son is a woman."
389
00:20:49,315 --> 00:20:52,016
She didn't press it then.
390
00:20:52,018 --> 00:20:53,884
But, like,
maybe a few months later
391
00:20:53,886 --> 00:20:56,554
when she noticed
that I had breasts,
392
00:20:56,556 --> 00:20:59,290
everything started
coming together.
393
00:20:59,292 --> 00:21:01,726
She really was devastated.
394
00:21:01,728 --> 00:21:02,960
"How could you have breasts
bigger than mine?
395
00:21:02,962 --> 00:21:05,029
"You're growing nails.
396
00:21:05,031 --> 00:21:07,865
"You're becoming a woman
right before my very eyes.
397
00:21:07,867 --> 00:21:09,467
"I can't hold my head up.
398
00:21:09,469 --> 00:21:12,336
And she still loved me,
399
00:21:12,338 --> 00:21:13,904
but the nagging and the...
400
00:21:13,906 --> 00:21:17,441
oh, my God,
about this women's clothes.
401
00:21:17,443 --> 00:21:20,344
And when I had women's clothes
stashed in my closet
402
00:21:20,346 --> 00:21:22,480
and she found them,
she would destroy them.
403
00:21:22,482 --> 00:21:23,881
She burnt up a mink coat.
404
00:21:23,883 --> 00:21:26,617
I was, oh... Devastated.
405
00:21:26,619 --> 00:21:28,786
She smelled the perfume
in it that I liked to wear...
406
00:21:28,788 --> 00:21:30,621
which was jungle gardenia
at the time...
407
00:21:30,623 --> 00:21:33,457
and she said, "this ain't no girl's coat.
This is your coat."
408
00:21:33,459 --> 00:21:36,327
Took it downstairs
in the backyard of the building
409
00:21:36,329 --> 00:21:37,628
and burned it.
410
00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:38,829
And I stood there and cried
like a baby.
411
00:21:38,831 --> 00:21:41,932
As long I have the mustache
and all that,
412
00:21:41,934 --> 00:21:43,434
it's cute for me.
413
00:21:43,436 --> 00:21:44,769
She don't want me being
in no girls' clothes.
414
00:21:44,771 --> 00:21:47,371
She can't take it.
415
00:21:49,408 --> 00:21:50,941
When they're undetectable...
416
00:21:50,943 --> 00:21:52,843
when they can walk
out of that ballroom
417
00:21:52,845 --> 00:21:55,413
into the sunlight
and onto the subway
418
00:21:55,415 --> 00:21:58,082
and get home and still have
all their clothes
419
00:21:58,084 --> 00:22:00,985
and no blood running
off their bodies...
420
00:22:00,987 --> 00:22:04,555
those are
the femme realness queens.
421
00:22:04,557 --> 00:22:08,626
And usually it's a category
for young queens.
422
00:22:08,628 --> 00:22:11,495
Some of them say
that we're sick,
423
00:22:11,497 --> 00:22:12,730
we're crazy.
424
00:22:12,732 --> 00:22:14,332
And some of them think
425
00:22:14,334 --> 00:22:17,868
that we are the most gorgeous,
special things on earth.
426
00:22:20,605 --> 00:22:24,041
I would like to be
a spoiled, rich white girl.
427
00:22:24,043 --> 00:22:26,644
They get what they want,
428
00:22:26,646 --> 00:22:28,045
whenever they want it.
429
00:22:28,047 --> 00:22:32,550
And they don't have to really
struggle with finances
430
00:22:32,552 --> 00:22:35,119
and nice things
and nice clothes.
431
00:22:35,121 --> 00:22:38,889
And they don't have to
have that as a problem.
432
00:22:38,891 --> 00:22:43,094
I don't feel that there's
anything mannish about me,
433
00:22:43,096 --> 00:22:46,864
except maybe what I might have
between me down there,
434
00:22:46,866 --> 00:22:50,401
Which is
my little personal thing, so...
435
00:22:50,403 --> 00:22:52,870
I guess that's why
I want my sex change...
436
00:22:52,872 --> 00:22:55,773
to make myself complete.
437
00:22:55,775 --> 00:22:58,476
I was about 13, 14 years old,
438
00:22:58,478 --> 00:23:01,512
and I used to do it
behind my family's back...
439
00:23:01,514 --> 00:23:04,682
till finally
they caught on with it.
440
00:23:04,684 --> 00:23:06,484
And I didn't want to
embarrass them,
441
00:23:06,486 --> 00:23:08,719
so that's when I moved away.
442
00:23:08,721 --> 00:23:13,657
I moved to New York,
and I continued doing it.
443
00:23:15,427 --> 00:23:17,428
When someone has rejection
444
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:19,063
from their mother and father,
their family,
445
00:23:19,065 --> 00:23:23,167
they... when they get out
in the world, they search.
446
00:23:23,169 --> 00:23:25,069
They search for someone
to fill that void.
447
00:23:25,071 --> 00:23:27,538
I know this for experience,
448
00:23:27,540 --> 00:23:32,443
because I've had kids come to me
and latch hold to me
449
00:23:32,445 --> 00:23:35,946
like I'm their mother
or like I'm their father.
450
00:23:35,948 --> 00:23:39,049
'Cause they can talk to me,
and I'm gay, and they're gay.
451
00:23:39,051 --> 00:23:41,786
And that's where
a lot of that "ballness"
452
00:23:41,788 --> 00:23:44,755
and... and the mother
business comes in.
453
00:23:44,757 --> 00:23:48,926
Because their real parents
give them such a hard way to go,
454
00:23:48,928 --> 00:23:53,931
they look up to me
to fill that void.
455
00:23:56,001 --> 00:23:56,934
How old are you?
456
00:23:56,936 --> 00:23:58,702
I'm 15.
457
00:23:58,704 --> 00:24:00,604
What time is it?
458
00:24:00,606 --> 00:24:02,606
Right here, homeboy.
Look at the time over there.
459
00:24:02,608 --> 00:24:04,642
2:26. And y'all...
how old are you?
460
00:24:04,644 --> 00:24:05,676
Me? I'm 13.
461
00:24:05,678 --> 00:24:07,144
13?! And you're
out here at 2:26?
462
00:24:07,146 --> 00:24:08,179
Yeah.
Where you live?
463
00:24:08,181 --> 00:24:09,713
Me, I live in Harlem.
464
00:24:09,715 --> 00:24:11,449
And why you down here?
Where's your mother?
465
00:24:11,451 --> 00:24:13,050
Hanging out.
I don't have a mother.
466
00:24:13,052 --> 00:24:15,453
Everybody has a mother,
or we wouldn't be here.
467
00:24:15,455 --> 00:24:16,954
Where's your mother?
She's gone.
468
00:24:16,956 --> 00:24:18,989
Where's your father?
He's gone, too.
469
00:24:18,991 --> 00:24:20,191
So who you live with?
470
00:24:20,193 --> 00:24:21,158
With a friend.
471
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,193
And you too?
472
00:24:22,195 --> 00:24:23,594
I live with my mother
in the Bronx.
473
00:24:23,596 --> 00:24:24,795
And y'all just hanging
out like this at...
474
00:24:24,797 --> 00:24:26,931
Just hanging out.
Right there inside.
475
00:24:26,933 --> 00:24:31,502
they come from such
sad backgrounds, you know -
476
00:24:31,504 --> 00:24:33,871
broken homes or no home at all.
477
00:24:33,873 --> 00:24:35,539
And then the few
that do have family,
478
00:24:35,541 --> 00:24:37,007
when the family finds
that they're gay,
479
00:24:37,009 --> 00:24:38,943
they "X" them completely.
480
00:24:41,047 --> 00:24:42,546
A house?
481
00:24:42,548 --> 00:24:45,916
Let's see if we can
put it down sharply.
482
00:24:45,918 --> 00:24:48,586
They're families.
You can say that.
483
00:24:48,588 --> 00:24:52,990
For a lot of children
who don't have families.
484
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,895
But this is a new meaning
of "family."
485
00:24:57,897 --> 00:24:59,196
The hippies had families,
486
00:24:59,198 --> 00:25:01,799
and no one thought
nothing about it.
487
00:25:01,801 --> 00:25:04,235
It wasn't a question of
a man and a woman and children,
488
00:25:04,237 --> 00:25:07,271
which we grew up knowing
as a family.
489
00:25:07,273 --> 00:25:12,743
It's a question of a group of
human beings in a mutual bond.
490
00:25:25,223 --> 00:25:26,824
You know what a house is?
491
00:25:26,826 --> 00:25:28,926
I'll tell you what a house is.
492
00:25:28,928 --> 00:25:32,162
A house is a gay street gang.
493
00:25:32,164 --> 00:25:35,132
Now, where street gangs
get their rewards
494
00:25:35,134 --> 00:25:37,201
from street fights,
495
00:25:37,203 --> 00:25:41,138
a gay house street-fights
at a ball.
496
00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:46,644
And you street-fight at a ball
by walking in the categories.
497
00:25:49,848 --> 00:25:55,152
The houses started
because you wanted a name.
498
00:25:55,154 --> 00:25:58,155
The people that the houses
are named after
499
00:25:58,157 --> 00:26:04,028
were ball walkers
who became known for winning.
500
00:26:06,197 --> 00:26:09,199
Work... Paris... Dupree.
501
00:26:09,201 --> 00:26:13,170
After the first
few houses were started
502
00:26:13,172 --> 00:26:15,172
and named after people
who had won trophies,
503
00:26:15,174 --> 00:26:17,107
they also would create houses.
504
00:26:17,109 --> 00:26:20,311
Like, a new group of kids
would just create a house,
505
00:26:20,313 --> 00:26:23,213
then they'd work at building
its name up, which worked...
506
00:26:23,215 --> 00:26:25,249
the house of Xtravaganza,
the house of Saint Laurent.
507
00:26:25,251 --> 00:26:27,818
Overness.
508
00:26:27,820 --> 00:26:29,219
Pendavis.
509
00:26:29,221 --> 00:26:29,753
Adonis.
510
00:26:29,755 --> 00:26:31,689
Lamay.
511
00:26:31,691 --> 00:26:33,657
Pendavis.
512
00:26:33,659 --> 00:26:34,625
Saint Laurent, of course.
513
00:26:38,130 --> 00:26:40,197
Dupree.
514
00:26:40,199 --> 00:26:43,133
They saw me,
and they all liked me...
515
00:26:43,135 --> 00:26:45,736
all the rest
of the Xtravaganzas...
516
00:26:45,738 --> 00:26:49,273
and they decided, "well, if you
want to become an Xtravaganza",
517
00:26:49,275 --> 00:26:51,809
"you have to walk
a ball for us.
518
00:26:51,811 --> 00:26:53,644
"And if you snatch a trophy,
519
00:26:53,646 --> 00:26:55,112
then you can become
the Xtravaganza."
520
00:26:55,114 --> 00:26:59,249
That's how it's supposed to
work with any... everyone.
521
00:26:59,251 --> 00:27:01,185
But, uh...
522
00:27:01,187 --> 00:27:02,219
Like, that wasn't with me.
523
00:27:02,221 --> 00:27:06,824
I just became an Xtravaganza.
524
00:27:06,826 --> 00:27:09,393
He's the one who started
the house.
525
00:27:09,395 --> 00:27:13,998
He was the first gay man
I ever met.
526
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,933
The first time he took me
to the village...
527
00:27:15,935 --> 00:27:16,934
which was my birthday...
528
00:27:16,936 --> 00:27:19,770
I had just turned 15 years old.
529
00:27:19,772 --> 00:27:24,241
And he threw a party
for me out there.
530
00:27:24,243 --> 00:27:25,843
He bought me a cake.
531
00:27:25,845 --> 00:27:29,647
I met a lot of drag queens,
transvestites,
532
00:27:29,649 --> 00:27:32,116
that I didn't believe were
because they were so beautiful.
533
00:27:32,118 --> 00:27:35,686
And that kind of
sunk into my head.
534
00:27:35,688 --> 00:27:37,021
And I guess that's why
535
00:27:37,023 --> 00:27:38,255
it kind of made me
want to even do it more.
536
00:27:38,257 --> 00:27:41,925
They treat each other
like sisters, mm-hmm.
537
00:27:41,927 --> 00:27:44,261
Sisters...
Or brothers...
538
00:27:44,263 --> 00:27:48,265
Or mothers or...
539
00:27:49,134 --> 00:27:52,102
You know, like, I say,
"oh, that's my sister,"
540
00:27:52,104 --> 00:27:54,304
because she's gay, too,
and I'm gay,
541
00:27:54,306 --> 00:27:57,775
and she's a drag queen
or whatever.
542
00:27:57,777 --> 00:27:59,877
My mother
is Angie Xtravaganza,
543
00:27:59,879 --> 00:28:03,180
and my father
is David Xtravaganza.
544
00:28:03,182 --> 00:28:06,183
The house of Xtravaganza
has done a lot.
545
00:28:06,185 --> 00:28:08,686
It's made me feel like
I have a family.
546
00:28:08,688 --> 00:28:10,354
We're always together.
We're always...
547
00:28:10,356 --> 00:28:13,824
if we're not together,
we always speak on the phone.
548
00:28:13,826 --> 00:28:15,292
My name is Angie Xtravaganza,
549
00:28:15,294 --> 00:28:17,327
and I am the mother
of the house of Xtravaganza.
550
00:28:18,363 --> 00:28:20,731
When there's a ball,
551
00:28:20,733 --> 00:28:22,433
I'm always doing something
for everybody in my house.
552
00:28:22,435 --> 00:28:24,368
I do that one's hair,
the other one's makeup.
553
00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:29,039
Their accessories.
I always offer advice.
554
00:28:29,041 --> 00:28:30,808
You know, I mean,
as far as what I know
555
00:28:30,810 --> 00:28:33,744
and what I've been through
in gay life.
556
00:28:33,746 --> 00:28:35,846
You know, I ran away
from my house when I was 14,
557
00:28:35,848 --> 00:28:37,915
and I've learned all sorts
of things... good and bad.
558
00:28:37,917 --> 00:28:42,286
And how to survive in gay world,
you know, it's kind of hard.
559
00:28:42,288 --> 00:28:46,757
Xtravaganza power!
560
00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:47,257
I bought her her tits.
561
00:28:47,259 --> 00:28:49,226
I paid for them.
562
00:28:54,934 --> 00:28:56,333
Our mother even nurses us!
563
00:28:56,335 --> 00:28:57,401
She's a good woman.
564
00:29:03,342 --> 00:29:05,943
From the house
of xtravaganza,
565
00:29:05,945 --> 00:29:08,112
for "mother of the year,"
566
00:29:08,114 --> 00:29:09,780
keeping her children intact,
567
00:29:09,782 --> 00:29:14,251
can we have Angie xtravaganza?
568
00:29:17,522 --> 00:29:18,889
Work for us, girl.
569
00:29:18,891 --> 00:29:21,525
Work that runway.
570
00:29:21,527 --> 00:29:23,994
This is from
Andre Christian, girl.
571
00:29:23,996 --> 00:29:25,496
My birthday will come,
572
00:29:25,498 --> 00:29:28,265
and I always get
a birthday gift from Angie.
573
00:29:28,267 --> 00:29:30,801
Won't get one
from my real mother.
574
00:29:30,803 --> 00:29:32,236
Like when I got thrown out
of my house,
575
00:29:32,238 --> 00:29:36,440
Angie let me stay with her
until I got myself together,
576
00:29:36,442 --> 00:29:37,241
and I got working.
577
00:29:37,243 --> 00:29:39,443
She always fed me.
578
00:29:39,445 --> 00:29:42,012
She can be a pain in the ass
at times,
579
00:29:42,014 --> 00:29:43,934
but I wouldn't trade her in
for any other mother.
580
00:29:45,383 --> 00:29:48,051
Ninja.
581
00:29:48,053 --> 00:29:50,320
You know, you have to
have something to offer
582
00:29:50,322 --> 00:29:51,989
in order to lead.
583
00:29:51,991 --> 00:29:56,360
because she's usually
the best one out of the group.
584
00:29:56,362 --> 00:29:59,196
I'm Willi Ninja, the mother
of the House of Ninja.
585
00:29:59,198 --> 00:30:01,331
Give him what he wants!
586
00:30:01,333 --> 00:30:04,334
I am the mother
of the house of Ninja
587
00:30:04,336 --> 00:30:08,071
because they say
I'm the best voguer out.
588
00:30:08,073 --> 00:30:09,807
To be the mother of the house,
589
00:30:09,809 --> 00:30:11,408
you have to have
the most power.
590
00:30:11,410 --> 00:30:12,876
Take a real family...
591
00:30:12,878 --> 00:30:15,179
it's the mother
that's the hardest worker,
592
00:30:15,181 --> 00:30:17,815
and the mother
gets the most respect.
593
00:30:17,817 --> 00:30:21,552
As far as my naming my house
"the house of Ninja"...
594
00:30:21,554 --> 00:30:24,955
Ninjas hit hard,
they hit fast...
595
00:30:24,957 --> 00:30:30,828
And that's what we are.
We come out to assassinate.
596
00:30:30,830 --> 00:30:33,463
The house of Labeija
is
the legendary house
597
00:30:33,465 --> 00:30:34,898
above all of them.
598
00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:36,834
I have the most members,
I'm the most popular.
599
00:30:36,836 --> 00:30:39,570
New York City is wrapped up
in being Labeija.
600
00:30:39,572 --> 00:30:42,339
So... It speaks for itself.
601
00:30:42,341 --> 00:30:44,007
And I am the fiercest mother
out of all of them.
602
00:30:44,009 --> 00:30:45,175
Labeija?
603
00:30:45,177 --> 00:30:47,611
I wouldn't be caught dead
in that house.
604
00:30:47,613 --> 00:30:49,112
I'm sorry.
I don't see that house.
605
00:30:49,114 --> 00:30:52,883
Only reason I see my house...
pendavis...
606
00:30:52,885 --> 00:30:54,384
is because Kim and avis.
607
00:30:54,386 --> 00:30:56,286
'Cause both of them walked.
608
00:30:56,288 --> 00:30:59,456
And at the last ball,
avis showed her goddamn ass off!
609
00:30:59,458 --> 00:31:02,893
They call them competitions.
610
00:31:02,895 --> 00:31:05,295
But believe me, they're wars.
611
00:31:05,297 --> 00:31:08,999
And they often
do lead to fights.
612
00:31:09,001 --> 00:31:10,467
The emotions be very high.
613
00:31:10,469 --> 00:31:13,871
They're very intense,
very intense affairs.
614
00:31:13,873 --> 00:31:15,906
But I guess
that's what makes them fun.
615
00:31:15,908 --> 00:31:19,443
Like a good movie...
if there's no emotion...
616
00:31:20,245 --> 00:31:21,612
You don't enjoy it.
617
00:31:21,614 --> 00:31:23,080
I don't talk too much
about the ball kids
618
00:31:23,082 --> 00:31:26,550
because I want them to
talk about me.
619
00:31:26,552 --> 00:31:28,318
Because I haven't walked yet.
620
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,921
And it's like,
well, William says,
621
00:31:30,923 --> 00:31:33,557
"I want you to walk in my ball.
I want you to walk in my ball."
622
00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:36,326
And I keep telling William,
I say, "I'll walk when I walk."
623
00:31:36,328 --> 00:31:38,428
"I'll walk when I want,
not when you want.
624
00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:39,663
I'll walk when I want."
625
00:31:39,665 --> 00:31:42,532
And so far, I don't know
when I'm gonna walk.
626
00:31:42,534 --> 00:31:48,272
I'm thinking somewhat around
the time of the legends ball.
627
00:31:48,274 --> 00:31:49,940
But don't quote me on that.
628
00:31:49,942 --> 00:31:52,609
I mean, it really
causes hate, actually,
629
00:31:52,611 --> 00:31:53,944
between two individuals.
630
00:31:53,946 --> 00:31:57,147
It's like a war on the floor.
631
00:31:57,149 --> 00:31:58,682
Like world war III.
632
00:31:58,684 --> 00:32:00,364
But the only thing about it...
they're gay.
633
00:32:07,258 --> 00:32:11,595
Now... cut the music...
now, I said...
634
00:32:11,597 --> 00:32:16,199
I said, "men's garments"!
635
00:32:16,201 --> 00:32:19,102
He looked like
he had on a man's fox coat.
636
00:32:19,104 --> 00:32:20,537
Tell this child,
where are the men's garments?
637
00:32:20,539 --> 00:32:23,106
I paid for it,
mother!
638
00:32:23,108 --> 00:32:24,341
A man bought it!
639
00:32:24,343 --> 00:32:25,575
It buttons on the right side!
640
00:32:25,577 --> 00:32:27,244
The judges...
641
00:32:27,246 --> 00:32:29,413
it buttons on the right side!
642
00:32:29,415 --> 00:32:32,582
Someone came up
and told the emcee...
643
00:32:32,584 --> 00:32:33,583
Are you a judge?!
644
00:32:33,585 --> 00:32:35,185
That it was a woman's coat.
645
00:32:35,187 --> 00:32:37,621
I thought it was kind of silly
646
00:32:37,623 --> 00:32:39,957
to nitpick.
647
00:32:39,959 --> 00:32:41,558
Ooh, that's shady!
648
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,127
They're throwing shade at him.
I can't believe it.
649
00:32:44,129 --> 00:32:45,195
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
650
00:32:45,197 --> 00:32:48,231
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute, now.
651
00:32:48,233 --> 00:32:50,233
Let's not get loud.
652
00:32:50,235 --> 00:32:54,404
Now, David.
David. David.
653
00:32:54,406 --> 00:32:57,674
That's the one thing that
I find faulty with the balls.
654
00:32:57,676 --> 00:32:59,409
After they've laid down
these little categories,
655
00:32:59,411 --> 00:33:02,279
then they try to
become a stickler
656
00:33:02,281 --> 00:33:03,647
for exact interpretation...
657
00:33:03,649 --> 00:33:07,617
merely a point to discredit
the contestant.
658
00:33:07,619 --> 00:33:11,488
Like in an Olympics
where the Russian judge
659
00:33:11,490 --> 00:33:15,158
brought to the fact
that the American coach
660
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,593
had stepped onto the floor,
661
00:33:16,595 --> 00:33:21,031
and that was a disqualification
for the contestant...
662
00:33:21,033 --> 00:33:23,200
just as picky as a ball.
663
00:33:23,202 --> 00:33:25,435
So those little flaws
like that...
664
00:33:25,437 --> 00:33:28,071
that's because
that's a part of shade.
665
00:33:28,073 --> 00:33:30,540
That's the idea...
knock them out if you can.
666
00:33:30,542 --> 00:33:32,709
Get them any way you...
hit them below the belt.
667
00:33:32,711 --> 00:33:33,577
It was typed out!
The second...
668
00:33:33,579 --> 00:33:35,612
where is it?
Where is it?
669
00:33:35,614 --> 00:33:37,347
Where is it?
Where is it?
670
00:33:37,349 --> 00:33:38,348
Stop! No ball.
671
00:33:39,417 --> 00:33:41,785
Shade comes from reading.
672
00:33:41,787 --> 00:33:44,054
Reading came first.
673
00:33:44,056 --> 00:33:50,394
Reading is the real
art form of insult.
674
00:33:50,396 --> 00:33:53,563
Now, you want to
talk about reading?
675
00:33:53,565 --> 00:33:55,699
Let's talk about reading.
676
00:33:56,467 --> 00:33:58,201
What is wrong with you, Pedro?
677
00:33:58,203 --> 00:33:59,203
Are you going through it?
678
00:33:59,204 --> 00:34:00,203
You're going through
some kind of
679
00:34:00,205 --> 00:34:03,340
psychological change
in your life?
680
00:34:03,342 --> 00:34:04,574
She went back to be a man.
681
00:34:04,576 --> 00:34:06,476
Oh, you went back
to being a man.
682
00:34:06,478 --> 00:34:08,712
Touch this skin, darling.
683
00:34:08,714 --> 00:34:10,313
Touch this skin, honey.
684
00:34:10,315 --> 00:34:11,415
Touch all of this skin.
685
00:34:11,417 --> 00:34:13,450
Okay?
686
00:34:13,452 --> 00:34:15,519
You just can't take it.
687
00:34:15,521 --> 00:34:19,122
You're just
an overgrown orangutan.
688
00:34:19,124 --> 00:34:20,424
You get in a smart crack,
689
00:34:20,426 --> 00:34:23,260
and everyone laughs
and kee-kees
690
00:34:23,262 --> 00:34:26,129
because you found a flaw
and exaggerated it...
691
00:34:26,131 --> 00:34:28,231
then you've got
a good read going.
692
00:34:28,233 --> 00:34:29,766
I am a person just like you.
693
00:34:29,768 --> 00:34:31,401
You cut me,
I bleed the same way you do.
694
00:34:31,403 --> 00:34:32,502
I bleed the same color.
695
00:34:32,504 --> 00:34:34,471
If it's happening between
696
00:34:34,473 --> 00:34:36,373
the gay world
and the straight world,
697
00:34:36,375 --> 00:34:41,611
It's more of an insult,
a vicious slur-fight.
698
00:34:41,613 --> 00:34:43,447
See, see? There go my
sister right there.
699
00:34:43,449 --> 00:34:45,849
She don't even want to even
admit that she my sister.
700
00:34:45,851 --> 00:34:47,584
She a bulldagger.
701
00:34:47,586 --> 00:34:50,387
But it's how they develop
a sense of how to read.
702
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:53,857
That's my husband right there.
703
00:34:53,859 --> 00:34:55,492
And that's my girlfriend
right there.
704
00:34:55,494 --> 00:34:58,095
They may call you a faggot
or a drag queen.
705
00:34:58,097 --> 00:34:59,696
You find something
to call them.
706
00:34:59,698 --> 00:35:04,101
But then when you are
all of the same thing,
707
00:35:04,103 --> 00:35:06,536
then you have to go
to the fine point.
708
00:35:06,538 --> 00:35:09,372
In other words, if I'm a black
queen and you're a black queen,
709
00:35:09,374 --> 00:35:11,374
we can't call each other black queens
'cause we're both black queens.
710
00:35:11,376 --> 00:35:13,376
That's not a read.
That's just a fact.
711
00:35:13,378 --> 00:35:16,580
So then we talk about
your ridiculous shape.
712
00:35:16,582 --> 00:35:18,748
Your fa... saggy face.
713
00:35:18,750 --> 00:35:20,283
Your tacky clothes.
714
00:35:20,285 --> 00:35:21,551
Let me see what you are...
spreading lies!
715
00:35:21,553 --> 00:35:22,719
Let's see. Oh!
No paint!
716
00:35:22,721 --> 00:35:23,854
Yes, it's paint!
It's paint!
717
00:35:23,856 --> 00:35:25,355
No mother paint, girl!
718
00:35:25,357 --> 00:35:28,358
What? She wears more
makeup than my mother did!
719
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,728
Then reading
became a developed form
720
00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:33,330
where it became shade.
721
00:35:33,332 --> 00:35:36,433
Shade is
"I don't tell you you're ugly,
722
00:35:36,435 --> 00:35:40,670
but I don't have to tell you
because you know you're ugly."
723
00:35:40,672 --> 00:35:42,372
And that's shade.
724
00:35:45,277 --> 00:35:47,210
Pump...
725
00:35:47,212 --> 00:35:48,912
Dip...
726
00:35:48,914 --> 00:35:50,480
Spin...
727
00:35:50,482 --> 00:35:53,283
Pump...
728
00:35:53,285 --> 00:35:55,218
Dip...
729
00:35:55,220 --> 00:35:57,187
Voguing is
the same thing as, like,
730
00:35:57,189 --> 00:35:59,890
taking two knives
and cutting each other up,
731
00:35:59,892 --> 00:36:01,324
but through a dance form.
732
00:36:01,326 --> 00:36:06,530
Pump... Dip... Spin... Vogue.
733
00:36:06,532 --> 00:36:07,497
Dip.
734
00:36:07,499 --> 00:36:11,368
Go... Turn... It... Out.
735
00:36:11,370 --> 00:36:12,602
Voguing came from shade
736
00:36:12,604 --> 00:36:15,639
because it was a dance
that two people did
737
00:36:15,641 --> 00:36:16,506
because they didn't
like each other.
738
00:36:16,508 --> 00:36:18,575
Instead of fighting,
739
00:36:18,577 --> 00:36:20,844
you would dance it out
on the dance floor.
740
00:36:20,846 --> 00:36:22,345
And whoever
did the better moves
741
00:36:22,347 --> 00:36:25,248
was throwing the best shade,
basically.
742
00:36:25,250 --> 00:36:27,217
No touching.
743
00:36:27,219 --> 00:36:28,718
Neither one of you.
744
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:31,354
If you touch, I'm chopping you.
I'm telling you right now.
745
00:36:31,356 --> 00:36:34,224
You could take the
pantomime form of the vogue...
746
00:36:34,226 --> 00:36:35,959
this is what, generally,
sometimes I do
747
00:36:35,961 --> 00:36:38,728
is I make my hand
into a form like a compact
748
00:36:38,730 --> 00:36:39,963
or a makeup kit.
749
00:36:39,965 --> 00:36:41,331
And I'm, like,
beating my face with blush,
750
00:36:41,333 --> 00:36:44,634
shadows, or whatever,
to the music.
751
00:36:44,636 --> 00:36:47,737
Then, usually, I'll turn
the compact around
752
00:36:47,739 --> 00:36:49,272
to face that person...
753
00:36:49,274 --> 00:36:51,608
meaning, like, almost like
my hand is a mirror...
754
00:36:51,610 --> 00:36:53,210
for them to get a look.
755
00:36:53,212 --> 00:36:54,544
Then I'll start doing
their face,
756
00:36:54,546 --> 00:36:57,781
because what they have
on their face right now
757
00:36:57,783 --> 00:36:59,916
needs a dramatic makeup job.
758
00:37:00,751 --> 00:37:03,320
So voguing's like a safe form
of throwing shade.
759
00:37:03,322 --> 00:37:05,388
Paris... Dupree.
760
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:08,458
Work.
Paris... Dupree.
761
00:37:08,460 --> 00:37:10,360
Work. Whoo!
762
00:37:10,362 --> 00:37:12,529
All right, miss...
763
00:37:12,531 --> 00:37:13,463
Don't knock Paris.
764
00:37:24,775 --> 00:37:26,476
Come on, baby, take your time.
765
00:37:26,478 --> 00:37:29,379
Bring it to the judges.
766
00:37:29,381 --> 00:37:31,481
Judges, get into the form
and the style.
767
00:37:31,483 --> 00:37:33,984
Work.
Let's hear it for her.
768
00:37:33,986 --> 00:37:36,753
The name was taken
from the magazine "vogue,"
769
00:37:36,755 --> 00:37:39,356
because some of the movements
of the dance
770
00:37:39,358 --> 00:37:42,826
are also the same as
the poses inside the magazine.
771
00:37:42,828 --> 00:37:43,693
Work, damn it!
772
00:37:45,464 --> 00:37:48,898
The name is a statement
in itself.
773
00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:50,400
I mean, you really
wouldn't go to a ball
774
00:37:50,402 --> 00:37:53,303
to do the "mademoiselle."
775
00:37:53,305 --> 00:37:54,938
No way.
776
00:37:54,940 --> 00:37:58,742
Now I want all y'all
up on the floor!
777
00:37:58,744 --> 00:38:01,678
New York and Jersey!
778
00:38:02,947 --> 00:38:06,349
Wake up!
Come on!
779
00:38:06,351 --> 00:38:07,517
Whoo!
780
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:10,420
Brother.
This is Saint Laurent.
781
00:38:10,422 --> 00:38:12,822
Adonis.
782
00:38:12,824 --> 00:38:14,691
Overness.
783
00:38:14,693 --> 00:38:16,326
Bobby lamay.
784
00:38:19,397 --> 00:38:22,032
Whoo, I wish I knew
how to do that.
785
00:38:22,034 --> 00:38:23,433
Mm-mm-mmm.
786
00:38:25,336 --> 00:38:27,470
Ouch!
Work! Work!
787
00:38:27,472 --> 00:38:32,008
Work! Work! Work!
788
00:38:32,978 --> 00:38:38,682
the dance takes
from the hieroglyphics
789
00:38:38,684 --> 00:38:40,483
of ancient Egypt.
790
00:38:40,485 --> 00:38:44,387
It also takes from some
forms of gymnastics.
791
00:38:44,389 --> 00:38:48,758
They both strive for
perfect lines in the body,
792
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,395
awkward positions, but it
goes one step further.
793
00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:54,864
It's starting to make
a name for itself,
794
00:38:54,866 --> 00:38:57,767
but I want it
to be known worldwide,
795
00:38:57,769 --> 00:39:00,603
and I want to be on top
of it when it hits.
796
00:39:00,605 --> 00:39:05,875
I want to take voguing not
to just Paris is burning,
797
00:39:05,877 --> 00:39:08,912
but I want to take it
to the real Paris
798
00:39:08,914 --> 00:39:11,114
and make the real Paris burn.
799
00:39:11,116 --> 00:39:12,816
That's what I want to do,
800
00:39:12,818 --> 00:39:16,553
and not just there,
but to other countries as well.
801
00:39:16,555 --> 00:39:19,723
My house name is Ninja,
802
00:39:19,725 --> 00:39:21,858
and I would really like to take
my whole house
803
00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:23,660
and go to Japan...
804
00:39:23,662 --> 00:39:26,363
And really let loose and do it
and have them accept it there.
805
00:39:26,365 --> 00:39:29,799
I want to be a big star.
806
00:39:30,568 --> 00:39:36,806
Uh, known, generally,
every corner of the world.
807
00:39:38,476 --> 00:39:42,612
You know, maybe
as a choreographer,
808
00:39:42,614 --> 00:39:44,714
a famous dancer,
809
00:39:44,716 --> 00:39:47,650
a singer, or all of them.
810
00:39:47,652 --> 00:39:49,819
What the balls
has to do with that,
811
00:39:49,821 --> 00:39:51,721
as far as the dance field,
812
00:39:51,723 --> 00:39:54,591
is maybe perfecting my craft
a little better,
813
00:39:54,593 --> 00:39:57,494
to learn new things,
814
00:39:57,496 --> 00:39:58,962
new ideas,
815
00:39:58,964 --> 00:40:02,132
and bring them
to the real world.
816
00:40:04,101 --> 00:40:08,571
It's been really unbelievable,
my life.
817
00:40:08,573 --> 00:40:10,774
If I was to die today
or tomorrow,
818
00:40:10,776 --> 00:40:13,143
I could not say I've not had
an exciting life.
819
00:40:13,145 --> 00:40:16,946
I have had a fabu...
and I'm not rich, mind you.
820
00:40:16,948 --> 00:40:18,481
Just imagine
if I had the dollars.
821
00:40:18,483 --> 00:40:21,584
Ooh, it'd be too much
for the world.
822
00:40:21,586 --> 00:40:24,187
If I had the riches
and I had the fame, trust me,
823
00:40:24,189 --> 00:40:26,856
all of y'all in here
would be rich...
824
00:40:26,858 --> 00:40:28,491
'Cause I'm very generous.
825
00:40:28,493 --> 00:40:29,726
You know, I can't...
826
00:40:29,728 --> 00:40:32,629
I wouldn't enjoy
having a whole lot of money,
827
00:40:32,631 --> 00:40:35,999
like being a millionaire
and hoarding it, you know?
828
00:40:36,001 --> 00:40:37,200
I'd share it
with all my loved ones.
829
00:40:37,202 --> 00:40:39,769
You know, I'd want them
to have it, too.
830
00:40:39,771 --> 00:40:41,104
We'd all have to go.
831
00:40:41,106 --> 00:40:43,106
I'd want to charter a plane,
and we all fly to Paris.
832
00:40:49,180 --> 00:40:54,451
O-p-u-l-e-n-c-e...
833
00:40:54,453 --> 00:40:55,985
opulence.
834
00:40:59,223 --> 00:41:03,626
You own everything.
835
00:41:06,564 --> 00:41:09,799
Everything is yours.
836
00:41:26,217 --> 00:41:32,121
This is white America.
837
00:41:33,524 --> 00:41:36,659
Any other nationality
838
00:41:36,661 --> 00:41:39,896
that is not of the white set
839
00:41:39,898 --> 00:41:43,132
knows this and accepts this
till the day they die.
840
00:41:43,134 --> 00:41:48,671
That is everybody's dream
and ambition as a minority...
841
00:41:48,673 --> 00:41:53,743
to live and look
as well as a white person.
842
00:41:53,745 --> 00:41:57,247
It is pictured as being
in America.
843
00:41:57,249 --> 00:41:58,982
Every media you have,
844
00:41:58,984 --> 00:42:03,019
from TV to magazines
to movies to films...
845
00:42:03,021 --> 00:42:05,222
I mean, the biggest thing that
minority watches is what?
846
00:42:05,223 --> 00:42:08,291
"Dynasty" and "the Colbys."
847
00:42:08,293 --> 00:42:11,160
Um, "all my children,"
the soap operas.
848
00:42:11,162 --> 00:42:13,196
Everybody have
a million-dollar bracket.
849
00:42:13,198 --> 00:42:17,000
When they showing you
a commercial from honey grahams
850
00:42:17,002 --> 00:42:19,936
to crest or lestoil
or pine-sol,
851
00:42:19,938 --> 00:42:23,006
everybody's in their own home.
852
00:42:23,008 --> 00:42:25,542
The little kids
for fisher-price toys,
853
00:42:25,544 --> 00:42:27,744
they're not
in no concrete playground.
854
00:42:27,746 --> 00:42:30,980
They're riding around the lawn.
855
00:42:30,982 --> 00:42:34,017
The pool is in the back.
856
00:42:34,019 --> 00:42:36,119
This is white America.
857
00:42:36,121 --> 00:42:38,221
And when it comes
to the minorities,
858
00:42:38,223 --> 00:42:40,156
especially black...
859
00:42:40,158 --> 00:42:44,260
We, as a people
for the past 400 years,
860
00:42:44,262 --> 00:42:47,897
is the greatest example
of behavior modification
861
00:42:47,899 --> 00:42:50,767
in the history of civilization.
862
00:42:50,769 --> 00:42:54,203
We have had everything
taken away from us,
863
00:42:54,205 --> 00:42:58,841
and yet we have
all learned how to survive.
864
00:42:59,276 --> 00:43:02,078
That is why,
in the ballroom circuit,
865
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,148
it is so obvious
866
00:43:05,150 --> 00:43:10,320
that if you have captured the
great white way of living...
867
00:43:10,322 --> 00:43:13,056
Or looking...
868
00:43:13,058 --> 00:43:17,627
Or dressing or speaking...
869
00:43:17,629 --> 00:43:20,897
You is a marvel.
870
00:43:23,033 --> 00:43:26,202
I think if I could just be
on TV or film or anything,
871
00:43:26,204 --> 00:43:29,238
I'd do that
instead of the money.
872
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:30,974
Of course, I do want the money
873
00:43:30,976 --> 00:43:33,242
because I want the luxury
that goes with it.
874
00:43:33,244 --> 00:43:36,212
But...
875
00:43:36,214 --> 00:43:38,715
I want to be wealthy.
876
00:43:38,717 --> 00:43:41,250
If not wealthy,
content, comfortable...
877
00:43:41,252 --> 00:43:44,320
You know?
878
00:43:44,322 --> 00:43:46,222
I want to be somebody.
879
00:43:46,224 --> 00:43:47,657
I mean, I am somebody.
880
00:43:47,659 --> 00:43:51,394
I just want to be
a rich somebody.
881
00:43:51,396 --> 00:43:54,664
You ain't gonna tell me,
you see her in the supermarket,
882
00:43:54,666 --> 00:43:57,266
and you're gonna say,
"that's a hag."
883
00:43:57,268 --> 00:44:01,237
Women don't go out of their way
because they are women.
884
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,706
I went out my way
because I wasn't,
885
00:44:03,708 --> 00:44:06,142
and I felt that I wanted to be
the best I can be.
886
00:44:06,144 --> 00:44:09,112
The Virginia slims girl
is here.
887
00:44:09,114 --> 00:44:10,279
This was not a game
for me or fun.
888
00:44:10,281 --> 00:44:13,049
This is something
that I want to live.
889
00:44:13,051 --> 00:44:16,052
She's here in person.
890
00:44:16,054 --> 00:44:17,820
Hopefully, God willing,
891
00:44:17,822 --> 00:44:21,991
by 1988, I fully hope to
become a full-fledged woman
892
00:44:21,993 --> 00:44:23,693
of the United States.
893
00:44:25,896 --> 00:44:28,931
You look at all these models
on the wall.
894
00:44:28,933 --> 00:44:31,434
Every one of them are gorgeous.
895
00:44:31,436 --> 00:44:34,137
Every one of them
are beautiful.
896
00:44:34,139 --> 00:44:37,073
But every one of them
have their own look.
897
00:44:37,075 --> 00:44:39,876
This is my idol...
Paulina.
898
00:44:39,878 --> 00:44:42,045
Someday I hope to be
up there with her.
899
00:44:42,047 --> 00:44:43,913
If that could be me,
900
00:44:43,915 --> 00:44:45,948
I think I would be the happiest
person in the world,
901
00:44:45,950 --> 00:44:49,819
just knowing that
I can compare to Paulina,
902
00:44:49,821 --> 00:44:52,288
to stand next to her
and to take pictures with her.
903
00:44:52,290 --> 00:44:55,191
And I look at her here,
and I'd say she's seductive,
904
00:44:55,193 --> 00:44:58,094
and she's alluring.
905
00:44:58,096 --> 00:45:02,231
I look at her there, and I say
she's sexy and provocative.
906
00:45:02,233 --> 00:45:03,866
I look at her here,
907
00:45:03,868 --> 00:45:06,703
and I think that she's childish
and little-girl type.
908
00:45:06,705 --> 00:45:10,073
You know, and I look at her
here, and it's the same.
909
00:45:10,075 --> 00:45:13,409
And I look at her here,
and I think of wicked beauty.
910
00:45:13,411 --> 00:45:15,378
You know?
That's how I see her.
911
00:45:15,380 --> 00:45:17,280
I-I admire her...
912
00:45:17,282 --> 00:45:21,417
you know, the red-hot fire
of hair and...
913
00:45:21,419 --> 00:45:22,452
The whole bit.
914
00:45:24,188 --> 00:45:26,355
If you're not
really trying hard enough,
915
00:45:26,357 --> 00:45:28,257
then I become hard.
916
00:45:28,259 --> 00:45:31,494
Do not believe just because
I'm a guy that I cannot do it.
917
00:45:31,496 --> 00:45:33,429
In order to be a teacher
and show girls how to do it,
918
00:45:33,431 --> 00:45:35,064
I have to know how to do it.
919
00:45:35,066 --> 00:45:36,866
I've taught for various shows,
920
00:45:36,868 --> 00:45:38,935
like for F.I.T.,
I've taught models.
921
00:45:38,937 --> 00:45:40,737
Girls that are
from various agencies...
922
00:45:40,739 --> 00:45:41,738
they've come to me
by word of mouth.
923
00:45:51,515 --> 00:45:55,752
New York City women are a little
bit harder than most women.
924
00:45:55,754 --> 00:45:58,421
Basically, I'm trying to bring
their femininity back
925
00:45:58,423 --> 00:46:00,223
and bring some grace and poise.
926
00:46:00,225 --> 00:46:01,958
You know, whether
they become models or not,
927
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,328
it's nice to know because
it's more attractive to men.
928
00:46:05,330 --> 00:46:06,963
The walk that she's doing...
929
00:46:06,965 --> 00:46:10,366
it's basically to get more
movement in your hips naturally.
930
00:46:10,368 --> 00:46:11,901
Don't exaggerate.
931
00:46:20,511 --> 00:46:23,346
Most likely,
she'll get what she wants.
932
00:46:23,348 --> 00:46:25,515
You know, especially
if she's in a man's world,
933
00:46:25,517 --> 00:46:27,517
she can still have
her equal rights,
934
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:30,319
but be able to manipulate a man
by using her feminine wiles.
935
00:46:30,321 --> 00:46:34,791
Are they soft?
936
00:46:34,793 --> 00:46:38,194
Looking from head to toe,
would you know?
937
00:46:38,196 --> 00:46:40,797
- Is this realness or not?
- Let it be mother hot.
938
00:46:46,570 --> 00:46:48,437
Miss octavia, you don't feel
this realness?
939
00:46:48,439 --> 00:46:52,508
Where are you at, sister?
Oops, you're right there.
940
00:47:06,291 --> 00:47:07,557
Labeija...
941
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:09,425
Candy Labeija.
942
00:47:09,427 --> 00:47:11,594
Realness in the daytime,
darling.
943
00:47:11,596 --> 00:47:14,564
She goes to school as a woman.
944
00:47:14,566 --> 00:47:16,132
Get into it.
945
00:47:16,134 --> 00:47:21,037
Get into both of them
and see which one is realer.
946
00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:23,139
Feel the flesh
or whatever it may be.
947
00:47:23,141 --> 00:47:25,208
Is it soft or not?
948
00:47:27,245 --> 00:47:29,278
It's soft.
949
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:30,613
Come, come, come.
950
00:47:30,615 --> 00:47:33,449
Score miss octavia first.
951
00:47:33,451 --> 00:47:36,118
Step forward
to accept your scores.
952
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,121
10, 10, 10, 10, 10.
953
00:47:39,123 --> 00:47:41,123
Score Tennille.
954
00:47:45,463 --> 00:47:47,997
9, 10, 10.
955
00:47:51,970 --> 00:47:54,136
grand prize, octavia.
956
00:47:54,138 --> 00:47:55,638
First place, Tennille.
957
00:47:59,509 --> 00:48:02,578
There's people
who sit home all day.
958
00:48:02,580 --> 00:48:04,547
They have potential, okay?
959
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:07,583
I mean, they go to the balls, and they
prove that they have potentials on
960
00:48:07,585 --> 00:48:10,553
actually selling
a garment, okay?
961
00:48:10,555 --> 00:48:13,656
But they, like, "being
that I have this potential",
962
00:48:13,658 --> 00:48:15,458
"the ballroom tells me, okay,
963
00:48:15,460 --> 00:48:19,495
the ballroom tells me
that I'm somebody."
964
00:48:19,497 --> 00:48:21,664
But when the ballroom is over,
when you come home,
965
00:48:21,666 --> 00:48:24,567
you have to convince yourself
that you are somebody,
966
00:48:24,569 --> 00:48:26,569
and that's where they get lost.
967
00:48:36,948 --> 00:48:39,548
It's also in a magazine.
968
00:48:39,550 --> 00:48:41,550
What's the name
of the magazine?
969
00:48:51,195 --> 00:48:53,930
when you could spend
a great deal of time
970
00:48:53,932 --> 00:48:57,066
making outfits
and preparing for something.
971
00:48:57,068 --> 00:48:59,001
Now they come very quickly,
972
00:48:59,003 --> 00:49:02,104
and the moods change
very quickly.
973
00:49:02,106 --> 00:49:05,107
I come from the old school
of big costumes...
974
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:07,443
feathers and beads...
975
00:49:07,445 --> 00:49:09,278
and they don't have that
anymore.
976
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:10,613
Now it's all about designers,
977
00:49:10,615 --> 00:49:13,249
and it's not
about what you create,
978
00:49:13,251 --> 00:49:15,551
it's about
what you can acquire.
979
00:49:16,653 --> 00:49:20,256
What do you think?
980
00:49:21,024 --> 00:49:23,125
Isn't that beautiful?
981
00:49:24,594 --> 00:49:29,598
$559... how's that
for a simple dress?
982
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,168
If you have on a label,
it means that you've, uh,
983
00:49:32,170 --> 00:49:35,438
you've got wealth,
when it doesn't really,
984
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,740
'cause any shoplifter
can get a label.
985
00:49:37,742 --> 00:49:39,375
You can't come down the runway
986
00:49:39,377 --> 00:49:42,645
in something
for $14.99 or $49.99
987
00:49:42,647 --> 00:49:44,613
and say, "well, I'm lovely,"
988
00:49:44,615 --> 00:49:47,383
and expect to win.
989
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,720
Okay, to describe...
explain "mopping."
990
00:49:50,722 --> 00:49:54,657
Mopping, you go into a store,
991
00:49:54,659 --> 00:49:58,060
and...
992
00:49:58,062 --> 00:50:01,630
Just look for... look for
whatever you want to see,
993
00:50:01,632 --> 00:50:03,199
look for whatever.
994
00:50:03,201 --> 00:50:05,401
Mopping is stealing.
995
00:50:05,403 --> 00:50:07,269
General stealing.
996
00:50:07,271 --> 00:50:10,006
However it's done,
it's stealing.
997
00:50:10,008 --> 00:50:11,107
If you're working every day,
998
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:14,143
you're struggling
to buy this outfit.
999
00:50:14,145 --> 00:50:17,313
When you walk, you're like,
"this is me."
1000
00:50:17,315 --> 00:50:19,382
And your facial expressions
1001
00:50:19,384 --> 00:50:22,318
as well as your means
of projection of your outfit...
1002
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,254
it shows if you actually
stole it or you purchased it.
1003
00:50:25,256 --> 00:50:26,722
You can actually tell?
1004
00:50:26,724 --> 00:50:29,025
You can actually tell.
1005
00:50:29,027 --> 00:50:32,194
Faggots are a stunt
in themselves, regardless.
1006
00:50:32,196 --> 00:50:33,562
Make no mistake.
1007
00:50:33,564 --> 00:50:36,032
First, it come...
okay, when it comes to a stunt,
1008
00:50:36,034 --> 00:50:38,634
it goes in...
it goes in order.
1009
00:50:38,636 --> 00:50:42,238
It goes faggots,
then girls, then boys,
1010
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:43,806
because boys are the stupidest.
1011
00:50:43,808 --> 00:50:46,042
They don't know how
to do a stunt right.
1012
00:50:46,044 --> 00:50:47,743
Now, faggots will do a stunt,
1013
00:50:47,745 --> 00:50:52,048
and I mean, you will never catch
up with it until years later.
1014
00:50:52,050 --> 00:50:53,382
And then, I mean,
you'll be like,
1015
00:50:53,384 --> 00:50:57,053
"oh, , this faggot
pulled this stunt on me."
1016
00:50:57,055 --> 00:50:58,821
We went down there.
We had fun.
1017
00:50:58,823 --> 00:51:01,123
We just act stupid
and came back.
1018
00:51:01,125 --> 00:51:04,427
But I think the best thing
we did was Roy Rogers.
1019
00:51:04,429 --> 00:51:05,561
That was fun.
1020
00:51:05,563 --> 00:51:07,329
You would have had
something to eat,
1021
00:51:07,331 --> 00:51:08,631
'cause how much did you pay
for that sandwich?
1022
00:51:08,633 --> 00:51:10,733
I don't remember...
maybe $5.
1023
00:51:10,735 --> 00:51:13,702
Around $5?
1024
00:51:13,704 --> 00:51:17,740
That... make no mistake,
we got your $5 back.
1025
00:51:17,742 --> 00:51:20,776
I had two
double cheeseburgers,
1026
00:51:20,778 --> 00:51:25,214
two fries, a coke, a sprite,
and an orange,
1027
00:51:25,216 --> 00:51:26,515
chicken, and chips.
1028
00:51:26,517 --> 00:51:27,750
Just going back and forth...
I lived on that line.
1029
00:51:27,752 --> 00:51:31,487
We got over... around...
around...
1030
00:51:31,489 --> 00:51:34,423
say, around $200 in food.
1031
00:51:34,425 --> 00:51:36,759
See, they put cheese
on the meat.
1032
00:51:40,431 --> 00:51:41,697
I hope after this,
1033
00:51:41,699 --> 00:51:45,401
Roy Rogers does not change
how it has its food
1034
00:51:45,403 --> 00:51:46,602
because if it does
by this interview,
1035
00:51:46,604 --> 00:51:49,572
I will be so upset.
1036
00:51:49,574 --> 00:51:51,540
I will be so upset.
1037
00:51:51,542 --> 00:51:53,742
I'll be...
1038
00:51:53,744 --> 00:51:55,678
I'll be hurt, I'm telling you.
1039
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,614
I really will be,
'cause I mean it.
1040
00:51:58,616 --> 00:52:02,118
Where else can you go in,
get it done your way,
1041
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,521
Carla xtravaganza said...
1042
00:52:05,523 --> 00:52:09,391
will you please return
her black patent-leather shoes,
1043
00:52:09,393 --> 00:52:11,360
size 7?
1044
00:52:11,795 --> 00:52:15,564
There is a reward.
1045
00:52:15,566 --> 00:52:17,533
She want her pumps.
1046
00:52:17,535 --> 00:52:20,302
She said it's not going to
work, taking her shoes.
1047
00:52:20,304 --> 00:52:21,837
Give them back.
1048
00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:25,374
Daytime, if they go out,
they're only going out...
1049
00:52:25,376 --> 00:52:29,278
To try to hustle up
a quarter or two...
1050
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,916
To get their things for the ball
or go to a little job.
1051
00:52:33,918 --> 00:52:35,484
A lot of them
have little jobs now.
1052
00:52:35,486 --> 00:52:36,819
They work.
Don't think they're lazy.
1053
00:52:36,821 --> 00:52:41,323
In New York City,
you work, or you starve.
1054
00:52:41,325 --> 00:52:44,326
You work...
some kind of work...
1055
00:52:44,328 --> 00:52:45,461
Legal or otherwise,
1056
00:52:45,463 --> 00:52:49,899
but you have to work
to sustain yourself.
1057
00:52:49,901 --> 00:52:53,302
The legendary Tennille dupree
1058
00:52:53,304 --> 00:52:56,839
and the father of the house
of ebony, Max Debuciak,
1059
00:52:56,841 --> 00:53:02,645
presents a night
of living hell and punishment
1060
00:53:02,647 --> 00:53:04,947
at the imperial elks lodge,
1061
00:53:04,949 --> 00:53:08,317
160 west 129th street,
1062
00:53:08,319 --> 00:53:10,186
which is right here.
1063
00:53:10,188 --> 00:53:13,289
Doors open at 5:00 A.M.
1064
00:53:13,291 --> 00:53:16,759
Grand march is at 7:00 A.M.
1065
00:53:18,663 --> 00:53:23,799
the boys are usually later
because of the fact
1066
00:53:23,801 --> 00:53:27,836
that we're waiting for the
working girls to get there.
1067
00:53:27,838 --> 00:53:30,472
And what is it
those girls are doing?
1068
00:53:30,474 --> 00:53:32,308
Well, they're making
money for the balls,
1069
00:53:32,310 --> 00:53:35,377
or they're making their
costumes, their outfits,
1070
00:53:35,379 --> 00:53:38,380
or, you know, getting
it together like that.
1071
00:53:38,382 --> 00:53:39,848
What's their profession?
1072
00:53:39,850 --> 00:53:42,384
Usually showgirls...
1073
00:53:42,386 --> 00:53:44,320
usually, they're,
you know, showgirls.
1074
00:53:44,322 --> 00:53:46,956
Uh-huh. Anything else? You know?
1075
00:53:46,958 --> 00:53:49,925
Well, it depends.
It depends.
1076
00:53:49,927 --> 00:53:51,293
I don't know a lot
of their professions,
1077
00:53:51,295 --> 00:53:55,664
but usually they're
showgirls... usually.
1078
00:53:55,666 --> 00:53:57,933
The thing that helped me
make my most money
1079
00:53:57,935 --> 00:54:00,736
through the escort service
is being that I'm so little.
1080
00:54:00,738 --> 00:54:04,773
I'm so petite and tiny.
1081
00:54:04,775 --> 00:54:09,011
Um... The blond hair
and the light skin
1082
00:54:09,013 --> 00:54:11,880
and the green eyes
and the little features.
1083
00:54:11,882 --> 00:54:15,517
And the client's hands
will be bigger than my hands
1084
00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:17,886
while they would hold my hand
or something.
1085
00:54:17,888 --> 00:54:19,355
You know, they like feeling
1086
00:54:19,357 --> 00:54:22,791
that they're with something
perfect and little,
1087
00:54:22,793 --> 00:54:25,594
and not someone
that's bigger than them,
1088
00:54:25,596 --> 00:54:29,565
because I guess
that kind of disturbs them.
1089
00:54:31,368 --> 00:54:33,802
Most all the drag queens
that are involved in the balls,
1090
00:54:33,804 --> 00:54:38,540
they... 90% of them...
are hustlers.
1091
00:54:38,542 --> 00:54:39,875
I guess that's how
they make their money
1092
00:54:39,877 --> 00:54:43,712
to go to the balls
and get whatever they need.
1093
00:54:43,714 --> 00:54:46,715
I used to hustle in New York
to make my money.
1094
00:54:46,717 --> 00:54:50,019
I was with a guy, and he was
playing with my titties
1095
00:54:50,021 --> 00:54:52,588
till he touched me down there.
1096
00:54:52,590 --> 00:54:55,624
He felt it, and he seen it, and
he, like, totally flipped out.
1097
00:54:55,626 --> 00:54:59,461
He said, "you fucking faggot!
You're a freak."
1098
00:54:59,463 --> 00:55:02,498
"You're a victim of aids, and
you're trying to give me aids.
1099
00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:05,501
You're a homo.
I should kill you."
1100
00:55:05,503 --> 00:55:07,703
You know, stuff like that.
1101
00:55:07,705 --> 00:55:11,407
And, like,
I was really terrified.
1102
00:55:11,409 --> 00:55:13,509
So I just jumped
out the window.
1103
00:55:13,511 --> 00:55:16,011
I grabbed my bag
and just jumped out the window.
1104
00:55:16,013 --> 00:55:18,047
But see, now I don't like
to hustle anymore.
1105
00:55:18,049 --> 00:55:21,350
I don't, and I'm afraid
of what's going on...
1106
00:55:21,352 --> 00:55:24,553
the aids...
and I don't want to catch it.
1107
00:55:24,555 --> 00:55:27,790
Like, later on this evening,
I'm supposed to meet someone...
1108
00:55:27,792 --> 00:55:30,626
a friend of mine,
a very good old friend of mine.
1109
00:55:30,628 --> 00:55:34,830
He's a young, very good,
attractive, handsome young man.
1110
00:55:34,832 --> 00:55:40,536
And, um, he's taking me out
to dinner later on this evening,
1111
00:55:40,538 --> 00:55:43,906
or for cocktails
after midnight.
1112
00:55:43,908 --> 00:55:47,042
I know he'll give me
some money...
1113
00:55:47,044 --> 00:55:50,913
Just for me to maybe buy a pair
of shoes and a nice dress
1114
00:55:50,915 --> 00:55:55,684
so that the next time
he sees me...
1115
00:55:55,686 --> 00:55:58,887
He'll see me looking more
and more beautiful...
1116
00:55:58,889 --> 00:56:01,690
the way he wants to see me.
1117
00:56:01,692 --> 00:56:04,493
But I don't have to go
to bed with him
1118
00:56:04,495 --> 00:56:06,095
or anything like that.
1119
00:56:06,097 --> 00:56:07,863
At times,
they do expect sexual favors,
1120
00:56:07,865 --> 00:56:10,899
but that is between myself
and them,
1121
00:56:10,901 --> 00:56:13,902
so I do not wish to further
speak about that...
1122
00:56:13,904 --> 00:56:16,038
If they do.
1123
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:20,676
But at most times,
99% of the time, they don't.
1124
00:56:20,678 --> 00:56:24,446
95% of the time, they don't.
1125
00:56:24,448 --> 00:56:27,950
But I feel like...
1126
00:56:27,952 --> 00:56:32,888
If you're married...
a woman in the suburbs,
1127
00:56:32,890 --> 00:56:37,659
a regular woman...
Is married to her husband,
1128
00:56:37,661 --> 00:56:43,599
and she wants him to buy her
a washer and dryer set...
1129
00:56:43,601 --> 00:56:45,000
In order for him to buy that,
1130
00:56:45,002 --> 00:56:47,970
I'm sure she'd have to go
to bed with him anyway
1131
00:56:47,972 --> 00:56:53,041
to give him what he wants
for her to get what she wants.
1132
00:56:53,043 --> 00:56:57,746
So, in the long run,
it all ends up the same way.
1133
00:57:02,152 --> 00:57:05,721
If money wasn't so important
in the world today...
1134
00:57:05,723 --> 00:57:07,589
To survive...
1135
00:57:07,591 --> 00:57:12,494
I guess I wouldn't want
anything but what I have now.
1136
00:57:12,996 --> 00:57:15,531
But since money does...
1137
00:57:15,533 --> 00:57:19,768
I hope that the way I look
puts money in my pocket.
1138
00:57:19,770 --> 00:57:21,203
You know?
1139
00:57:21,205 --> 00:57:22,704
I'm really working hard.
1140
00:57:22,706 --> 00:57:25,741
I'm gonna work even harder.
1141
00:57:27,610 --> 00:57:29,778
Yeah.
There we are.
1142
00:57:29,780 --> 00:57:31,713
That is lovely.
Still.
1143
00:57:31,715 --> 00:57:34,550
Great.
1144
00:57:34,552 --> 00:57:35,951
Couldn't be better.
1145
00:57:35,953 --> 00:57:37,519
There... oh, it's beautiful
like that for the light
1146
00:57:37,521 --> 00:57:39,121
when you kind of, you know,
do this to the light.
1147
00:57:39,123 --> 00:57:41,757
I want people to look at me as,
"there's the model octavia.
1148
00:57:41,759 --> 00:57:44,193
"There's the actress octavia.
1149
00:57:44,195 --> 00:57:47,529
There's miss supermodel
of the world, octavia."
1150
00:57:47,531 --> 00:57:50,132
Is this endless,
this catalog of poses?
1151
00:57:50,134 --> 00:57:53,502
I could keep going
longer than you could.
1152
00:57:53,504 --> 00:57:55,838
Yeah, just there.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
1153
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,675
I don't want to end up
an old drag queen
1154
00:57:59,677 --> 00:58:01,844
with nothing going for me
1155
00:58:01,846 --> 00:58:04,580
but trying to win
grand prize at a ball.
1156
00:58:04,582 --> 00:58:05,614
Yeah, no, back a little bit
like you did.
1157
00:58:05,616 --> 00:58:07,983
Yes, that.
1158
00:58:07,985 --> 00:58:10,953
just coming around...
yeah.
1159
00:58:10,955 --> 00:58:12,721
Right.
Couldn't be better.
1160
00:58:12,723 --> 00:58:16,959
I don't think the world
has been fair to me...
1161
00:58:16,961 --> 00:58:20,863
Lovely.
Lovely.
1162
00:58:21,865 --> 00:58:24,900
I've been a man, and I've been
a man who emulated a woman.
1163
00:58:24,902 --> 00:58:26,034
I've never been a woman.
1164
00:58:26,036 --> 00:58:30,706
I never had that service
once a month.
1165
00:58:30,708 --> 00:58:32,674
I've never been pregnant.
1166
00:58:32,676 --> 00:58:34,776
You know, I can never say
how a woman feels.
1167
00:58:34,778 --> 00:58:37,112
I can only say how a man
who acts like a woman
1168
00:58:37,114 --> 00:58:39,515
or dresses like a woman feels.
1169
00:58:39,517 --> 00:58:41,049
I never wanted to have
a sex change.
1170
00:58:41,051 --> 00:58:44,553
That's just taking it
a little too far, you know?
1171
00:58:44,555 --> 00:58:46,955
Because if you decide later on
in life to change your mind,
1172
00:58:46,957 --> 00:58:49,725
you can't...
once it's gone, it's gone.
1173
00:58:49,727 --> 00:58:52,628
A lot of kids that I know, they got
the sex change because they felt,
1174
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:56,598
"oh, I've been treated so bad
as a drag queen.
1175
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,034
"If I get a"...
excuse the expression...
1176
00:58:59,036 --> 00:59:00,969
"I'll be treated fabulous."
1177
00:59:00,971 --> 00:59:03,038
But women get treated bad.
1178
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,273
You know, they get beat,
1179
00:59:04,275 --> 00:59:05,741
they get robbed,
they get dogged.
1180
00:59:05,743 --> 00:59:08,710
So having the vagina,
1181
00:59:08,712 --> 00:59:10,679
that doesn't mean that you're
gonna have a fabulous life.
1182
00:59:10,681 --> 00:59:14,149
It might, in fact, be worse,
you know.
1183
00:59:14,151 --> 00:59:15,617
So I've never recommended it,
1184
00:59:15,619 --> 00:59:17,553
and I myself would have
never, ever got it,
1185
00:59:17,555 --> 00:59:20,222
and I'm so thankful
that I was that smart,
1186
00:59:20,224 --> 00:59:22,024
because right about now,
1187
00:59:22,026 --> 00:59:24,826
this next 40 or so years
that I'm gonna be here,
1188
00:59:24,828 --> 00:59:26,194
I'm gonna live.
1189
00:59:26,196 --> 00:59:28,196
And for those children
that can't take the fact
1190
00:59:28,198 --> 00:59:31,300
that I still look youthful,
ha! Suffer.
1191
00:59:31,302 --> 00:59:35,270
No bags, no lines.
Lovely.
1192
00:59:39,342 --> 00:59:40,776
America's nice.
1193
00:59:40,778 --> 00:59:43,145
You can do what you want
if you have the money.
1194
00:59:43,147 --> 00:59:45,180
You can be what you want,
certainly.
1195
00:59:45,182 --> 00:59:47,316
Look at me.
1196
00:59:47,318 --> 00:59:50,118
In, um, '84,
1197
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,989
I've had a nose
reconstructed... job.
1198
00:59:53,991 --> 00:59:55,958
I've had my cheekbones risen.
1199
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,227
I've had a chin implant
and breast implants.
1200
00:59:59,229 --> 01:00:01,163
Yes, tell them like it is.
1201
01:00:01,165 --> 01:00:05,300
The most important factor
in my life
1202
01:00:05,302 --> 01:00:07,069
that has been completed
recently
1203
01:00:07,071 --> 01:00:09,905
is that I've had
a transsexualism operation.
1204
01:00:09,907 --> 01:00:12,107
That means
I've had a sex change.
1205
01:00:12,109 --> 01:00:14,076
I'm no longer a man.
1206
01:00:14,078 --> 01:00:15,744
I am a woman.
1207
01:00:15,746 --> 01:00:18,180
I feel great.
1208
01:00:18,182 --> 01:00:21,049
I'm very happy.
She has to rub it in.
1209
01:00:21,051 --> 01:00:24,286
And I feel like the part
of my life that was a secret
1210
01:00:24,288 --> 01:00:25,654
is now closed.
1211
01:00:25,656 --> 01:00:26,755
I can close the closet door.
1212
01:00:26,757 --> 01:00:28,724
There are no more skeletons
in there.
1213
01:00:28,726 --> 01:00:30,759
And I'm as free as the wind
1214
01:00:30,761 --> 01:00:34,029
that's blowing
out on this beach.
1215
01:00:38,968 --> 01:00:42,204
Except that voice
is still there.
1216
01:00:42,206 --> 01:00:44,206
Oh!
1217
01:00:44,208 --> 01:00:45,641
As free as this beach.
1218
01:00:56,086 --> 01:00:57,786
Free gift today
at the dior counter.
1219
01:00:57,788 --> 01:01:01,056
Sample poison by dior, ladies.
1220
01:01:01,058 --> 01:01:04,793
Sample the elegance today...
poison by dior.
1221
01:01:04,795 --> 01:01:06,695
Can I sample it?
1222
01:01:06,697 --> 01:01:09,665
Yes.
Dior's poison.
1223
01:01:10,867 --> 01:01:11,900
Very nice.
1224
01:01:11,902 --> 01:01:12,868
Delicious, yes?
1225
01:01:15,672 --> 01:01:16,772
Folks, please keep moving.
1226
01:01:16,774 --> 01:01:19,207
We're trying to keep
the aisles clear.
1227
01:01:19,209 --> 01:01:21,877
Please keep moving.
1228
01:01:21,879 --> 01:01:23,779
...The Ford search
for the supermodel of the year,
1229
01:01:23,781 --> 01:01:26,915
the seventh search
of this type.
1230
01:01:26,917 --> 01:01:29,451
Mrs. Ford is here
with two of her top models,
1231
01:01:29,453 --> 01:01:32,120
and we're interviewing
candidates
1232
01:01:32,122 --> 01:01:35,190
who hope to become
the supermodel of the year.
1233
01:01:35,192 --> 01:01:38,160
Clients like models
who will be helpful,
1234
01:01:38,162 --> 01:01:40,996
who never say the clothes
are terrible even if they are,
1235
01:01:40,998 --> 01:01:43,999
because after all,
not everything is perfect.
1236
01:01:44,001 --> 01:01:47,335
They... they have to make
the least perfect of clothes
1237
01:01:47,337 --> 01:01:48,904
look like a dior.
1238
01:01:48,906 --> 01:01:51,239
And so they can't just say,
1239
01:01:51,241 --> 01:01:53,709
"that's the worst thing
I've ever seen."
1240
01:01:53,711 --> 01:01:56,244
You know, they
have to make it look good.
1241
01:01:56,246 --> 01:01:58,780
They have to be very,
very cooperative.
1242
01:01:58,782 --> 01:02:00,148
And they have to be cheerful.
1243
01:02:00,150 --> 01:02:01,717
Nobody likes to go in and hear
your troubles, you know?
1244
01:02:01,719 --> 01:02:03,919
When people ask you
how you feel,
1245
01:02:03,921 --> 01:02:06,455
don't tell them if you're sick
'cause they don't really care.
1246
01:02:06,457 --> 01:02:07,856
Then you drop it off.
1247
01:02:07,858 --> 01:02:10,058
3, 2, 1.
1248
01:02:10,060 --> 01:02:12,427
But while the faces
of the '80s stood on line,
1249
01:02:12,429 --> 01:02:15,130
the feet of the '80s
did some waiting...
1250
01:02:15,132 --> 01:02:16,832
half an hour
and round the block,
1251
01:02:16,834 --> 01:02:17,766
all the way to third Avenue.
1252
01:02:17,768 --> 01:02:19,901
One of these young ladies
1253
01:02:19,903 --> 01:02:22,771
could become the supermodel
of the world.
1254
01:02:22,773 --> 01:02:23,839
Exciting?
1255
01:02:25,508 --> 01:02:27,509
Try again.
1256
01:02:29,245 --> 01:02:35,150
How does this type of thing
square with women's lib?
1257
01:02:35,152 --> 01:02:36,952
What about men?
Do they take you seriously?
1258
01:02:36,954 --> 01:02:38,053
Or when they hear
you're a model,
1259
01:02:38,055 --> 01:02:39,521
how does their reaction
change to you?
1260
01:02:39,523 --> 01:02:42,357
What about,
like I asked before,
1261
01:02:42,359 --> 01:02:44,459
does this square
with the women's lib movement?
1262
01:02:44,461 --> 01:02:46,461
Can I have a few
of you over here?
1263
01:02:46,463 --> 01:02:48,330
Okay, can I have
a few more women?
1264
01:02:50,300 --> 01:02:51,433
Fine. Nice to meet you, too.
I'm shari.
1265
01:02:51,435 --> 01:02:53,902
Shari, my name's Janet.
1266
01:02:53,904 --> 01:02:55,871
Hi, Janet. So you
want to be a model?
1267
01:02:55,873 --> 01:02:58,140
Yes. So you need an application.
1268
01:02:58,142 --> 01:02:59,441
Actually, I was in this contest.
That's how I started.
1269
01:02:59,443 --> 01:03:01,810
That's me.
I can't believe that.
1270
01:03:01,812 --> 01:03:04,412
Yeah, that's 5 years ago.
You still look great.
1271
01:03:04,414 --> 01:03:05,547
Thanks.
Thanks a lot.
1272
01:03:05,549 --> 01:03:08,450
We look at 75,000 pictures.
1273
01:03:08,452 --> 01:03:11,086
Well, you know,
that's the average amount
1274
01:03:11,088 --> 01:03:13,255
that we look at each contest.
1275
01:03:13,257 --> 01:03:16,324
What have girls become? Are
they... are they the same?
1276
01:03:16,326 --> 01:03:17,926
How are they different?
1277
01:03:17,928 --> 01:03:22,230
Girls are not different from
yesterday or the day before.
1278
01:03:22,232 --> 01:03:24,833
Everybody who's young
has a hope and a dream...
1279
01:03:24,835 --> 01:03:28,136
And I don't think that
it's ever been any different
1280
01:03:28,138 --> 01:03:29,805
in the history of the world.
1281
01:03:33,075 --> 01:03:35,510
I believe that
there's a big future out there
1282
01:03:35,512 --> 01:03:40,348
with a lot
of beautiful things...
1283
01:03:40,350 --> 01:03:43,318
A lot of handsome men...
1284
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,387
A lot of luxury.
1285
01:03:45,389 --> 01:03:47,956
I want a car.
1286
01:03:47,958 --> 01:03:50,559
I want to be with a man I love.
1287
01:03:50,561 --> 01:03:53,562
I want a nice home
away from New York,
1288
01:03:53,564 --> 01:03:57,399
up the Peekskills
or maybe in Florida...
1289
01:03:57,401 --> 01:04:00,168
somewhere far
where no one knows me.
1290
01:04:00,170 --> 01:04:02,904
I want my sex change.
1291
01:04:02,906 --> 01:04:05,607
I want to live
a normal, happy life,
1292
01:04:05,609 --> 01:04:08,610
whether it's being married
and adopting children,
1293
01:04:08,612 --> 01:04:14,015
whether it's being famous
and rich.
1294
01:04:14,017 --> 01:04:18,520
I want to get married
in church in white.
1295
01:04:19,322 --> 01:04:20,488
Sometimes I sit,
and I look at a magazine.
1296
01:04:20,490 --> 01:04:23,525
I try to imagine myself
in the front cover
1297
01:04:23,527 --> 01:04:27,562
or even inside.
1298
01:04:27,564 --> 01:04:29,497
I want to be a complete woman,
1299
01:04:29,499 --> 01:04:35,070
and I want to be a professional
model behind cameras
1300
01:04:35,072 --> 01:04:37,472
in the high-fashion world.
1301
01:04:37,474 --> 01:04:41,643
I want so much more.
I want...
1302
01:04:41,645 --> 01:04:46,882
I want my name
to be a household product.
1303
01:04:46,884 --> 01:04:51,620
I want everybody to look at me
and say, "there goes octavia."
1304
01:04:51,622 --> 01:04:54,489
I want this.
This is what I want.
1305
01:04:54,491 --> 01:04:58,226
And I'm gonna go for it.
1306
01:05:05,102 --> 01:05:07,335
Oh, me!
1307
01:05:08,304 --> 01:05:12,641
Amy xtravaganza!
1308
01:05:16,380 --> 01:05:20,382
Amy xtravaganza!
1309
01:05:20,384 --> 01:05:22,417
Swinging...
1310
01:05:22,419 --> 01:05:24,419
Vogue.
1311
01:05:26,489 --> 01:05:27,989
Vogue.
Vogue.
1312
01:05:27,991 --> 01:05:29,925
Vogue.
Vogue.
1313
01:05:29,927 --> 01:05:32,027
Amy.
1314
01:05:33,629 --> 01:05:38,633
Previously,
I, uh, introduced rap music
1315
01:05:38,635 --> 01:05:41,002
along with dancing...
1316
01:05:41,004 --> 01:05:45,941
To Japanese people,
and they really loved it.
1317
01:05:45,943 --> 01:05:48,243
This, ladies
and gentlemen, is voguing,
1318
01:05:48,245 --> 01:05:51,379
a form of dance
that has its roots in Harlem...
1319
01:05:51,381 --> 01:05:52,981
a takeoff on runway modeling,
1320
01:05:52,983 --> 01:05:56,051
which they had plenty of
last night as well.
1321
01:05:56,986 --> 01:06:00,388
Voguing is an attitude,
a style.
1322
01:06:00,390 --> 01:06:02,257
It's... It's...
1323
01:06:02,259 --> 01:06:04,459
A kind of an institutionalized
showing off.
1324
01:06:04,461 --> 01:06:06,494
But not without
its entertainment value.
1325
01:06:06,496 --> 01:06:10,432
Something very spectacular,
very important... Art form.
1326
01:06:10,434 --> 01:06:11,599
Very important.
1327
01:06:11,601 --> 01:06:14,602
It's just so theatrical,
and the energy...
1328
01:06:14,604 --> 01:06:16,438
oh, it's just terrific.
1329
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,974
In addition to perhaps
putting voguing in vogue,
1330
01:06:18,976 --> 01:06:22,711
this love ball sponsored by the
design industries foundation for aids
1331
01:06:22,713 --> 01:06:26,181
raised more than $350,000
for research
1332
01:06:26,183 --> 01:06:27,749
and housing for the homeless
who have aids.
1333
01:06:27,751 --> 01:06:31,519
And I have never seen anything
quite like it.
1334
01:06:31,521 --> 01:06:34,422
I'm Connie Collins,
news 4, Manhattan.
1335
01:06:34,424 --> 01:06:39,260
Two years ago, I was
working in a health-food store,
1336
01:06:39,262 --> 01:06:42,030
still teaching and trying to
perform on my own.
1337
01:06:42,032 --> 01:06:47,035
But now, my foot is, like,
in every little doorstep
1338
01:06:47,037 --> 01:06:47,702
that you can think of.
1339
01:06:47,704 --> 01:06:49,771
Um...
1340
01:06:49,773 --> 01:06:53,008
I'm doing a lot of runway work,
1341
01:06:53,010 --> 01:06:56,478
um, dancing... performing
for Malcolm Mclaren,
1342
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,614
various other people,
doing choreography,
1343
01:06:59,616 --> 01:07:01,783
helping people
put their shows together.
1344
01:07:01,785 --> 01:07:03,351
So it's going very good.
1345
01:07:06,256 --> 01:07:08,456
This earring
that I have here, is...
1346
01:07:08,458 --> 01:07:09,791
I bought this in Japan.
1347
01:07:09,793 --> 01:07:12,360
As you can see,
it says "house couture."
1348
01:07:12,362 --> 01:07:14,662
I can't read the rest of it.
It has a scissor
1349
01:07:14,664 --> 01:07:16,731
and it has "Jr. Gaultier, '89"
on there, of course.
1350
01:07:16,733 --> 01:07:18,767
It's a Gaultier label emblem.
1351
01:07:18,769 --> 01:07:23,304
I bought it, mind you.
I have the receipt still...
1352
01:07:23,306 --> 01:07:25,206
where, I don't know,
but I bought it.
1353
01:07:31,313 --> 01:07:34,049
The balls have kind of
gotten toned down
1354
01:07:34,051 --> 01:07:36,051
compared to what it used to be.
1355
01:07:36,053 --> 01:07:38,053
Now when I tell people
what it is,
1356
01:07:38,055 --> 01:07:41,222
and they go, and it's not
what they expect, you know,
1357
01:07:41,224 --> 01:07:44,426
it's like they feel, like, a
little bit of a letdown, you know?
1358
01:07:44,428 --> 01:07:47,362
And they say, "it was long, it
was dragged out, it was boring."
1359
01:07:47,364 --> 01:07:49,397
Okay, the balls are always long
and dragged out,
1360
01:07:49,399 --> 01:07:53,735
I really do kind of miss
the street element.
1361
01:07:53,737 --> 01:07:55,570
I mean, but everything changes,
1362
01:07:55,572 --> 01:07:57,772
and everything's
been changing drastically.
1363
01:07:57,774 --> 01:08:03,845
You know, um, New York's
not even the same anymore.
1364
01:08:31,774 --> 01:08:34,509
I always said to her, "Venus,
you take too many chances."
1365
01:08:34,511 --> 01:08:36,377
"You're too wild with people
in the streets.
1366
01:08:36,379 --> 01:08:40,482
But that was Venus.
She always took a chance.
1367
01:08:40,484 --> 01:08:42,450
She always went
into strangers' cars.
1368
01:08:42,452 --> 01:08:47,188
She always did what she wanted
to get what she wanted.
1369
01:08:48,190 --> 01:08:51,326
I had a booking
for a Christmas show at Sally's,
1370
01:08:51,328 --> 01:08:55,497
and the D.T.S came to me
with a picture of her murdered,
1371
01:08:55,499 --> 01:08:57,132
and they were
about to cremate her
1372
01:08:57,134 --> 01:08:59,567
'cause nobody had came
to verify the body,
1373
01:08:59,569 --> 01:09:01,769
and I was the one that
had to give all this information
1374
01:09:01,771 --> 01:09:04,372
down to her family.
1375
01:09:04,374 --> 01:09:06,341
Actually, they found her dead
after 4 days,
1376
01:09:06,343 --> 01:09:09,878
strangled under a bed in a
sleazy hotel in New York City.
1377
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:11,846
I'm hungry.
1378
01:09:11,848 --> 01:09:18,453
and, you know, she was like my right
hand, as far as I'm concerned.
1379
01:09:18,455 --> 01:09:21,289
I miss her. Every time
I go anywhere, I miss her.
1380
01:09:21,291 --> 01:09:23,358
That was my main...
1381
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,760
the main daughter of my house,
in other words.
1382
01:09:25,762 --> 01:09:27,529
But that's part of life,
1383
01:09:27,531 --> 01:09:32,267
as far as being a transsexual
in New York City and surviving.
1384
01:09:37,473 --> 01:09:40,909
I always had hopes
of being a big star.
1385
01:09:43,546 --> 01:09:44,779
And then I looked...
1386
01:09:44,781 --> 01:09:47,882
as you get older,
you aim a little lower.
1387
01:09:47,884 --> 01:09:51,519
And I just say, "well, yeah, you
still might make an impression."
1388
01:09:51,521 --> 01:09:54,189
Everybody wants to leave
something behind them...
1389
01:09:54,191 --> 01:09:57,559
some impression,
some mark upon the world.
1390
01:09:57,561 --> 01:09:59,827
Then you think...
1391
01:09:59,829 --> 01:10:02,864
You've left a mark
on the world...
1392
01:10:05,267 --> 01:10:07,802
If you just get through it...
1393
01:10:09,805 --> 01:10:12,974
And a few people
remember your name.
1394
01:10:13,742 --> 01:10:15,944
Then you left a mark.
1395
01:10:18,314 --> 01:10:21,482
You don't have to bend
the whole world.
1396
01:10:23,219 --> 01:10:26,654
I think it's better
to just enjoy it.
1397
01:10:29,592 --> 01:10:30,959
Pay your dues...
1398
01:10:31,827 --> 01:10:35,330
And enjoy it.
1399
01:10:36,498 --> 01:10:39,734
If you shoot an arrow
and it goes real high,
1400
01:10:39,736 --> 01:10:41,836
hooray for you.
1401
01:11:23,513 --> 01:11:24,846
bring the cameras closer,
Mr. Demille.
1402
01:11:24,848 --> 01:11:28,683
I'm ready for my closeup.
And so...
1403
01:11:48,038 --> 01:11:50,938
Okay, winter sportswear...
1404
01:11:50,940 --> 01:11:54,475
Preferably fur,
but if not, you know,
1405
01:11:54,477 --> 01:11:56,744
you can... natural fibers.
1406
01:11:56,746 --> 01:11:58,880
If... if you choose a
polyester, God help you.
1407
01:11:58,882 --> 01:12:00,882
You know how the children are.
1408
01:12:22,572 --> 01:12:25,573
okay, you add "U-G" at the end
of your word, right?
1409
01:12:25,575 --> 01:12:27,608
But you have to take off
the first letter
1410
01:12:27,610 --> 01:12:30,478
or the first letters
until you get into a vowel.
1411
01:13:14,423 --> 01:13:17,859
I'm not looking for anything.
I think all men are dogs.
1412
01:13:17,861 --> 01:13:19,160
I honestly do.
1413
01:13:19,162 --> 01:13:23,464
You know, every man starts
barking sooner or later.
1414
01:13:27,736 --> 01:13:29,704
I'm a quiet person.
1415
01:13:29,706 --> 01:13:31,672
And if you believe that...
1416
01:13:31,674 --> 01:13:33,941
you know, I own that island
right over there, too.
1417
01:14:18,887 --> 01:14:20,788
They want to be
with their kind.
1418
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:23,991
Right.
They want to be gay.
1419
01:14:23,993 --> 01:14:25,793
'Cause partly, like,
just like...
1420
01:14:25,795 --> 01:14:28,729
all right, just like, again,
just like a community.
1421
01:14:28,731 --> 01:14:29,897
In a religious community,
1422
01:14:29,899 --> 01:14:33,167
they want to pray
together a lot, right?
1423
01:14:33,169 --> 01:14:35,837
Well, this gay community
might want to...
1424
01:14:35,839 --> 01:14:40,475
or... or they, like,
want to be together.
1425
01:15:13,942 --> 01:15:18,246
All right! All right!
1426
01:15:44,006 --> 01:15:47,575
Work at it! Work!
1427
01:16:18,340 --> 01:16:20,808
So, this is New York City.
1428
01:16:20,810 --> 01:16:24,579
And this is
what the gay life is about.
1429
01:16:24,581 --> 01:16:26,314
Right?
105524