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[Pivar] The story is- is more
bizarre than- than people begin
to realize.
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[Oxenberg]
She says, "Jeffrey has to have
three orgasms a day,
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and I help him 'cause I cannot
keep up with his libido."
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[Farmer]
Ghislaine would go and get
people out of Central Park.
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And I saw her give
her phone number to a girl,
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and then that child showed up.
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Miss Maxwell did explain that
there would be a lot of women
around.
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[Miles]
She said, "You'll see lots
of bees around the honey pot,
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but I'm the queen bee,
always remember that."
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Miss Maxwell is the reason
that I was abused.
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She led me into that situation.
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[Helm]
Everybody wants
to talk about him,
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and it's not focused
on Ghislaine.
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She facilitated it.
She made the network happen.
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I love the smell
of the ocean spray.
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The sound of the waves.
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The cry of the sea birds.
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The sunsets, the sunrises.
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I love the ocean.
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[reporter]
In New York,
stunning testimony today
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from an alleged victim
in the sex trafficking trial
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of Jeffry Epstein's companion
Ghislaine Maxwell.
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[reporter 2]
The first of Ghislaine
Maxwell's four accusers,
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testifying under
the pseudonym Jane,
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graphically described
the first time
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Jeffrey Epstein
sexually abused her.
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Some of the details
are absolutely harrowing.
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Maxwell, she says,
fondled her breasts.
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Jeffrey Epstein sexually
assaulted her with sex toys
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when she was 14 years old.
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It's a trial a quarter
century in the making.
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And of course since that time,
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the victims have been looking
for a reckoning.
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[Sigrid McCawley]
I've been working
with the survivors
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of Jeffrey Epstein
and Ghislaine Maxwell
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for about seven years now.
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I think for any of the women
who are being called to testify,
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there's a lot of anxiety
with having to face your abuser
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in a court of law.
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There will be a lot of relief
in this as well,
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because they'll have
the opportunity
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to talk to the jurors
about what happened to them.
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There's been
a lot of speculation
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about why it took so long for
Maxwell to be held accountable.
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That involves
power and privilege
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in a way that was unique
to this circumstance.
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Well, there's so many of us
that have walked around
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feeling like we don't have the
right to speak up for ourselves.
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I definitely need to be here
to show her
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that everything
that she's taken from me,
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I'm taking it all back.
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It has to be the turning point,
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that society as a whole
puts that stake in the ground,
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draws that line and says
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you cannot get away
with these things
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just because of who you are
and how much money you have.
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[dramatic music]
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[dialing telephone]
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[ringing tone]
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[ticking]
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[Spencer Kuvin]
I'm an attorney practicing
in West Palm Beach, Florida.
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I represented one of the first
young victims to come forward
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here in Palm Beach County
against Mr. Epstein.
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Through that process
we began to understand
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the full breadth of Mr.
Epstein's sexual conspiracy,
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and the organization
which involved Maxwell,
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as well as many
of the other young girls
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that she had trained.
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These were young girls, some of
them as young as 14 years old,
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who did not have the wherewithal
to understand
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what they were
getting themselves into.
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[police officer]
The premises desired to be
searched
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is a two-story,
single-family residence,
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occupied or under the control
of Jeffrey Epstein,
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white male,
date of birth 1.20.53.
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[Spencer Kuvin]
The first young lady
that I represented
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never specifically
mentioned Maxwell.
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But there was
this older, British,
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distinguished lady
behind the scenes.
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They didn't know who she was.
She was answering the door.
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She was escorting
people through.
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She was telling them, "Oh, go
up there. Go into that room,"
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or "Go into the kitchen."
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When my clients visited,
they would frequently see
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pictures of Ghislaine Maxwell
with very famous individuals,
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and it was very clear she was
very wealthy and powerful.
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But at the beginning we weren't
really focused on her,
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so we never learned the full
breadth of her part in this
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until much later on.
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we were focused on Epstein.
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Later during the investigation,
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when interviewing
and conducting the deposition,
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the name Maxwell
would come up repeatedly.
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Ghislaine Maxwell was
a lot more than just someone
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who stayed in a room
at the Palm Beach mansion.
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She was directing the activities
that were going on there.
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What we came to learn is that
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by the time
of this investigation,
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Maxwell had stepped away
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from the direct recruitment
of young girls.
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She had trained
primary recruiters.
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Those primary recruiters then
would train local recruiters
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to get girls
to come over to the house.
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This sexual pyramid scheme
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really had Ghislaine Maxwell
at the top.
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We as attorneys
wanted to talk to her.
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We knew that she was jet-setting
across the world.
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We knew that she could fly
to France
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or Virgin Islands
at any moment.
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We had heard
that she was at some kind
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of a private benefit event
up in New York at one point,
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so we had hired process servers
to go and try and serve her.
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Unfortunately,
that ended up in a failure.
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They couldn't get in
and get her served.
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So we were never able to issue
a subpoena to her at the time,
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because she had essentially
disappeared in the wind.
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[Cathy]
I went down to tidy his room,
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and there on his dresser
was the arrest warrant.
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I actually didn't read
what the thing was
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until he actually told us
up in the kitchen.
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I think I was
too frightened to snoop.
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When he spoke to us
on that morning,
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he said it was
for solicitation of a minor
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for prostitution, huh?
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-Something like that.
-Something like that.
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In all honesty, I was shocked.
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-We were shocked.
-We were both shocked.
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The way it was explained to us
was basically
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a "slap on the wrist" fine,
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like a traffic fine
that they're charging him with,
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well, it seemed like it.
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So I said, "Well, just pay the
fine and get over and done."
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"Get it out of the news.
Get everything sorted."
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At that point in the
relationship between the two of
them,
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I think it was
pretty antagonistic at points.
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He actually told us...
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that, um... she'd gone.
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Yeah, one day she's...
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One day, he walked into the
kitchen and he said, "It's
over."
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I actually felt quite sorry
for him at the time.
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[Miles]
It was a bit... traumatic.
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Traumatic. We had
a couple of fighting matches.
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I wouldn't go too deep
into that.
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No, I know,
which is understandable, um...
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So you could see
this relationship was moving
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in a different direction, yeah.
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Miss Maxwell was not around,
um, for... for quite a while.
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She got involved with a man
that does computers,
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as far as I remember.
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[Cathy] She was completely
just out of the whole...
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-[Miles] Out of the loop.
-Out of the loop.
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So you could see she'd started
a new life for herself,
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which I thought
was good for her, you know.
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The relationship uh,
between Epstein and Maxwell,
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who was dominant,
who was subservient,
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how many of the strategies
and tactics
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for recruiting and grooming
uh, came from Maxwell,
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and how much came from Epstein,
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uh, we'll never
probably know completely.
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But what we do know is that
Maxwell bears responsibility
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not only
for the young women and girls
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who she personally recruited,
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but also for her role
in the overall enterprise,
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where she would recruit somebody
to recruit somebody else,
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to recruit somebody else,
to recruit somebody else.
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I think that one
of the cruelest things
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that Epstein and Maxwell did
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is to induce, coerce,
these young girls
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to bring in other young girls.
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[Phillips]
It has been
a really big journey for me
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to actually get to that point
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where I'm not
in denial anymore,
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and I can say,
"Yeah, I was abused too."
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I was already in the islands
next to him, in St. John's,
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and I just was with a friend,
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and she asked me
to go with her to the island.
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So I didn't know
about this whole private island
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and, like,
who Jeffrey Epstein was.
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I didn't know anything
when I went with her that day.
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I had only met Jeffrey
pretty briefly
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before someone
was sent to our room
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to, uh, bring us there
for a massage.
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And so I just thought,
OK, well, it's kind of weird,
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but I trust the girl
that brought me.
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So, um, yeah,
we went to his room,
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and I realized at the time that
the girl that brought me there,
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she had done this before,
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so she was very comfortable,
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and she was massaging him,
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and I kind of
just took her lead.
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And then, um...
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pretty quickly afterwards,
you know,
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is when Jeffrey, um,
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started touching me
inappropriately,
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and that's, like,
when the abuse happened, um...
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I was really confused
about what happened.
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I just, like, realized
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maybe that's why
she brought me there,
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was kind of to lure me to him,
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and she was the one who got paid
for bringing me.
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She made it seem like
it was like no big deal at all.
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It was hard for me to deal with
it for many years after that.
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And then hearing so many other
women had the exact same story
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of another young person,
another young woman,
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bringing them to Jeffrey
for a massage,
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but then getting
sexually abused.
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And every time I hear it,
I'm just like thinking,
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"That was me, that was me."
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I'm headed
to the Ghislaine Maxwell trial.
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This is just like
another step for me
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just to realize
and kind of move on and heal.
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This whole nightmare
never would have happened
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if it wasn't for Ghislaine.
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The woman who brought me
to Jeffrey's island
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was recruited by her.
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There were so many people
that she brought
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that brought others,
that brought others,
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so it was just
all these, like, layers.
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It's scary that I fit
into that story somehow.
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[Boies]
That's the way
pyramid schemes work.
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That's the way enterprises
of this scope and scale work.
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That was part of the power,
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part of the reason
why it was able to recruit
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not just
a handful of young girls,
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but dozens,
hundreds of young girls.
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There was no one else
in the pyramid
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who had her position.
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No one else
who had her wealth, her status.
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No one else did Epstein
give $30 million to.
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So if you put Epstein
at the top of the pyramid,
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Maxwell's right next to him.
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And the only question is,
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is she right next to him
at the same level,
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or is she right next to him
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at the level
immediately below him?
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[reporter]
Jeffrey Epstein's
personal 727 aircraft
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arrived at PBIA
from Newark at 5 p.m.
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The investor, traveling
with a small entourage,
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was met at the private
Galaxy Aviation.
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Jeffrey Epstein went to jail
just before ten this morning.
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He pleaded guilty in open court.
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He agreed to serve
a total of 18 months
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in a Palm Beach
detention facility,
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12 for felony solicitation
of prostitutes,
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and an additional six
for procuring persons under 18
for prostitution.
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The guilty plea and deal
end a years-long process
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that could have sent Epstein
to jail for 15 years.
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I couldn't believe that
he got the sweetheart deal.
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The federal government
interviewed
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at least 40 young girls,
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but, for some reason,
the government decided
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that they were gonna use
one case
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as the case
that they would convict him of.
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They're letting him out
during the day
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to walk around and have lunch,
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and have massages at his office.
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He got out after only one year.
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[reporter]
A few steps, a smile,
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and a wave
to the deputy at the door.
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We watched Jeffrey Epstein
walk out of jail,
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but only his attorneys
heard from him.
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He's very happy
that his jail sentence is over
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and uh, he can begin
a new chapter in his life.
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[Kuvin]
They entered into what's called
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a non-prosecution agreement.
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That prevented
any further prosecution
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of not just Jeffrey Epstein,
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but also any others
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who may have been involved.
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Maxwell is not mentioned,
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and we have to assume
that that was intentional.
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Jeffery probably told her,
"Just disappear,
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go away,
stay away from all of this,
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and don't worry about it,
I'll take care of it."
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[Boies]
The non-prosecution agreement
was a corrupt agreement,
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and it should never have let
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people like Maxwell walk.
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I think it led
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to a sense of invulnerability,
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uh, it- it led to a sense of
confidence,
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that having beat that,
she was free.
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[ticking]
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If the United Nations create
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a stand-alone
ocean development goal,
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that is a needle mover.
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That will make new laws,
new governance,
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and a new way
at looking at the ocean,
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and that is what
will change the world.
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Thank you.
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So how does it... does it
all look? Is my hair good?
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Do I...? It's all good?
[laughs]
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[woman]
All right, we're rolling.
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[woman 2] Ghislaine,
you've been a philanthropist
your whole career.
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Tell us about your idea
and how global citizens
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can save our common oceans.
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The ocean is absolutely vital
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to all planetary life systems.
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I call it the blue heart
of the planet.
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I met Ghislaine at a party
at the Four Seasons restaurant.
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There was a lot
of major celebrities there,
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a lot of air kissing going on.
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She knew a lot of people there.
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I thought
she was utterly charming.
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I had no clue, um,
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that she was involved
in any of these things.
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The thing
that she talked about the most
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was, of course, the ocean.
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I mean, in many ways,
the ocean became like her baby.
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Your excellencies, presidents,
lords, ladies and gentlemen,
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um, I just would like
to thank you so much,
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and it's such a honor
to be here.
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Who doesn't wanna have
a clean ocean?
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I mean, it's, you know,
it's kind of a worthy project.
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[Ghislaine] All you're signing
is that you want the ocean
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to be sustainably managed.
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And that is the message
we're bringing here. Thank you.
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[man] Thank you.
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At the end of the night,
the party's breaking up,
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and she asked me,
"Can you give me a lift home?"
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I drove her home
and dropped her off
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in front of her townhouse.
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And then she made
this astonishing offer.
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She says to me, uh,
"If you come in and fuck me,
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I will tell you
the secrets of my father."
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I was completely speechless,
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and I came up
with a very lame excuse
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that I needed to go home
and walk the dog.
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And she knew
it was a kind of a BS excuse,
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but she gave me a kiss
on the cheek and she said,
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uh, you know,
"Hope to see you soon."
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It's kind of like, by day,
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she's very, very involved
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in trying to save the oceans
uh, and- and fix the world,
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but by night, it's like turning
into Dracula or something.
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It was like a switch.
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[Celhia de Lavarene]
I just came back from uh, Haiti,
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where children
are trafficked for sex.
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And I wanted to open
uh, a safe uh, haven,
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if we can say,
to help those kids.
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And my friend decided to have
a fundraising event for that.
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I hear that uh,
Ghislaine Maxwell came.
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I don't know
why she was in the picture.
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I didn't even know who she was.
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I guess it's because
the French ambassador was there
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and she wanted to look good.
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She was in the picture
and then she left.
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I know one thing.
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That woman you're talking about,
uh, Maxwell, did not give a
cent.
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[Boies]
The way she was able
to manipulate the media
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to think of her
as a, quote, environmentalist,
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um, as opposed
to a sex trafficker,
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um, probably continued
to contribute
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to her sense of being above the
law, of being invulnerable.
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I think it led her
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to be perhaps careless.
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It may have contributed
to her ultimate undoing.
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[reporter]
Emotions running high
in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial.
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A tearful accuser
said she was 14
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when Maxwell told her
she had a great body
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for Jeffrey Epstein
and his friends.
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We're up to our third accuser,
and her name is Carolyn.
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She is testifying
under her first name,
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and she is the second accuser
to allege that Ghislaine Maxwell
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had fondled her breasts
when she was 14 years old.
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She said she was brought
into Epstein's orbit
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via Virginia Giuffre, Roberts,
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who was a- a very key figure
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in the whole
Ghislaine Maxwell saga.
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Virginia was one of the first
people, if not the first person,
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to come forward
with the evidence
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that not only
were Epstein and Maxwell
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abusing young women themselves,
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but they were
actually trafficking
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young women to other men.
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The highest profile person
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that uh, Virginia uh, identified
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as someone to whom
she was trafficked
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by Epstein and Maxwell
was Prince Andrew.
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Ghislaine woke me up
in the morning, excited,
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and she said, "You're gonna meet
a prince today."
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Ghislaine said,
"He's coming back to the house,
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and I want you to do for him
what you do for Epstein."
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The abuse went on for
a little bit in the bathroom,
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and then it continued
to the bedroom,
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and he wasn't rude or anything
about it,
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he said, you know, thank you.
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[Boies]
My first reaction was
did this really happen?
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You know, is it- is it really
true?
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To hear that...
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a member of the royal family,
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a prince of England, uh,
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was engaged in that conduct, um,
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was- was something
that I found surprising,
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uh, shocking, disturbing.
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00:22:12,896 --> 00:22:15,768
Sex trafficking tends to be
something that you associate
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with Third World countries.
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00:22:17,944 --> 00:22:19,990
It's not something
that you think happens
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in the United States,
in the United Kingdom.
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00:22:29,434 --> 00:22:32,306
She said she had sex with you
three times.
400
00:22:32,394 --> 00:22:35,353
Once in a London house
when she was trafficked to you.
401
00:22:35,484 --> 00:22:36,833
-In Maxwell's house.
-Yes.
402
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,704
Once in New York,
403
00:22:38,835 --> 00:22:41,272
a month or so later,
at Epstein's mansion.
404
00:22:41,403 --> 00:22:43,840
And once on his private island
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in a group
of seven or eight other girls.
406
00:22:49,106 --> 00:22:50,281
No.
407
00:22:50,934 --> 00:22:52,805
She says she dined with you,
408
00:22:52,892 --> 00:22:56,069
danced with you
at Tramp nightclub in London.
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00:22:56,156 --> 00:23:00,204
She went on to have sex with you
in a house in Belgravia
410
00:23:00,334 --> 00:23:03,076
belonging to Ghislaine Maxwell,
your friend.
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00:23:03,163 --> 00:23:04,121
Your response?
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I have no recollection
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00:23:06,079 --> 00:23:08,386
of ever meeting this lady.
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00:23:10,954 --> 00:23:13,652
[McCawley]
I talked to my partner,
David Boies,
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00:23:13,783 --> 00:23:16,916
and he said, "I have
this new case that's come in
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00:23:17,047 --> 00:23:18,788
that I think
really is suited for you
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00:23:18,918 --> 00:23:22,226
because of the work you've done
um, in foster care
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and with
sex trafficking victims."
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00:23:25,664 --> 00:23:29,233
I went to New York
and I met with Virginia,
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and within moments
of that meeting,
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my life really turned
upside down in many ways.
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00:23:36,153 --> 00:23:38,938
Virginia made public
that Maxwell had been involved
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at the head
of the sex trafficking scheme
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along with Epstein.
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[reporter]
Can I ask you about the-
the- all the allegations
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that have come out, Ghislaine?
427
00:23:48,992 --> 00:23:50,863
Have you got no comment at all?
428
00:23:50,994 --> 00:23:53,431
I've made a statement.
Thank you.
429
00:23:53,562 --> 00:23:57,043
Then Maxwell came forward
and made the statement
430
00:23:57,174 --> 00:24:01,221
that Virginia's claims
were, quote, obvious lies.
431
00:24:01,352 --> 00:24:04,094
That gave us the hook to be able
to sue Maxwell for defamation,
432
00:24:04,224 --> 00:24:06,270
and that really started
the journey
433
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,273
in being able
to hold Maxwell accountable
434
00:24:09,403 --> 00:24:11,188
for the crimes she committed.
435
00:24:11,318 --> 00:24:15,453
We were a tight female team,
and we just dug into it.
436
00:24:15,584 --> 00:24:17,455
We pieced together
the flight logs
437
00:24:17,586 --> 00:24:19,544
in a way
that no one ever had before,
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00:24:19,675 --> 00:24:21,415
to really map that out
439
00:24:21,503 --> 00:24:24,506
and understand the trafficking
scheme as a whole.
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00:24:24,636 --> 00:24:26,333
We had the police reports
441
00:24:26,464 --> 00:24:30,163
from the 2005 investigation
in Florida
442
00:24:30,250 --> 00:24:32,905
that showed Maxwell
at the centerpiece of this,
443
00:24:32,992 --> 00:24:35,734
helping arrange the girls,
being very active there,
444
00:24:35,821 --> 00:24:37,954
despite her claims
that she was not.
445
00:24:38,084 --> 00:24:40,957
We spoke to many, many survivors
446
00:24:41,087 --> 00:24:43,307
of Epstein and Maxwell's abuse.
447
00:24:43,437 --> 00:24:46,353
Some of those survivors
uh, would say,
448
00:24:46,484 --> 00:24:48,573
"I-I can't give you any
information. I'm too scared."
449
00:24:48,704 --> 00:24:51,358
It was a very scary
time period.
450
00:24:51,489 --> 00:24:55,537
I myself had threats
and I was scared at times.
451
00:24:55,667 --> 00:24:59,236
I also had people following me.
452
00:24:59,366 --> 00:25:01,891
As you can imagine, there are
incredibly powerful people
453
00:25:02,021 --> 00:25:05,372
who are involved
in this sex trafficking scheme.
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00:25:05,503 --> 00:25:06,591
They certainly didn't like
455
00:25:06,722 --> 00:25:08,767
that I was turning over stones,
456
00:25:08,898 --> 00:25:10,552
finding out more information.
457
00:25:19,822 --> 00:25:21,737
Maxwell's deposition
is significant
458
00:25:21,867 --> 00:25:24,609
because it's really
the only document we have
459
00:25:24,740 --> 00:25:27,743
that shows testimony
she has given
460
00:25:27,873 --> 00:25:30,963
about the sexual
trafficking scheme.
461
00:25:31,094 --> 00:25:33,400
One of the things
that stood out to me right away
462
00:25:33,531 --> 00:25:37,622
was how obstructionist
Maxwell was going to be.
463
00:25:37,753 --> 00:25:40,190
I asked her
a- a pretty simple question,
464
00:25:40,277 --> 00:25:43,367
"So, Miss Maxwell, when
did you first recruit a female
465
00:25:43,497 --> 00:25:45,543
to work for Mr. Epstein?"
466
00:25:45,674 --> 00:25:49,242
She said, "I don't understand
what you mean by female."
467
00:25:49,373 --> 00:25:51,767
"I don't understand
what you mean by recruit."
468
00:25:51,897 --> 00:25:54,204
"Please be
more specific and clear."
469
00:25:54,334 --> 00:25:58,121
So that just shows you
how difficult
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00:25:58,208 --> 00:26:00,427
she was willing
to make that deposition,
471
00:26:00,558 --> 00:26:03,430
how she was going to
stop at nothing
472
00:26:03,561 --> 00:26:06,303
to um, not give information.
473
00:26:06,433 --> 00:26:08,044
Maxwell definitely had
an air of entitlement,
474
00:26:08,174 --> 00:26:10,481
is the best way
I can describe it.
475
00:26:10,568 --> 00:26:12,788
"How dare you bring me
into a conference room
476
00:26:12,918 --> 00:26:14,441
and ask me questions."
477
00:26:14,528 --> 00:26:17,140
"I know presidents.
I know princes,
478
00:26:17,270 --> 00:26:18,707
and I should not be bothered
479
00:26:18,837 --> 00:26:21,187
with these kinds
of allegations."
480
00:26:21,318 --> 00:26:24,321
There was another significant
moment in the deposition
481
00:26:24,451 --> 00:26:28,107
where she actually gets so
frustrated with me and so angry
482
00:26:28,238 --> 00:26:31,894
that she slams her fist
on my conference room table,
483
00:26:32,024 --> 00:26:33,852
causing my court reporter's
484
00:26:33,983 --> 00:26:36,333
uh, stenographer machine
to fall over.
485
00:26:36,463 --> 00:26:38,465
And my court reporter
looked at me
486
00:26:38,596 --> 00:26:39,902
and said, "I'm so scared."
487
00:26:40,032 --> 00:26:42,121
In that moment, I realized
488
00:26:42,208 --> 00:26:45,037
what the women that I represent
have gone through,
489
00:26:45,124 --> 00:26:47,605
and to- to see how willing she
was
490
00:26:47,736 --> 00:26:49,041
to come forward
in that environment
491
00:26:49,172 --> 00:26:51,870
and attack at this level
492
00:26:52,001 --> 00:26:56,048
um, just confirmed everything
that I knew about her.
493
00:26:56,179 --> 00:27:00,618
In the final analysis, they paid
a lot of money to resolve it.
494
00:27:00,749 --> 00:27:03,447
The result
of the defamation case
495
00:27:03,577 --> 00:27:05,275
was very important to Virginia,
496
00:27:05,362 --> 00:27:09,105
not only because of the economic
security it gave her,
497
00:27:09,235 --> 00:27:11,760
but also it was a vindication.
498
00:27:11,847 --> 00:27:15,241
Remember, she had been
accused by Maxwell
499
00:27:15,372 --> 00:27:17,026
of making this all up.
500
00:27:17,156 --> 00:27:19,985
I sometimes felt angry
501
00:27:20,116 --> 00:27:23,685
at the way she dismissed
502
00:27:23,772 --> 00:27:26,078
the victims
of the sex trafficking,
503
00:27:26,209 --> 00:27:30,909
but there were times
when I-I felt sorry for her too.
504
00:27:30,996 --> 00:27:33,433
You know, I tried to understand
505
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:39,483
what led somebody
to do these things.
506
00:27:39,570 --> 00:27:42,007
I would never describe her
as a victim,
507
00:27:43,661 --> 00:27:45,663
but I would describe her
508
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:50,973
as a damaged human being,
509
00:27:51,103 --> 00:27:54,672
and what caused that damage,
I don't know.
510
00:27:54,803 --> 00:27:57,327
I've never been able
to understand
511
00:27:57,457 --> 00:28:01,331
why after our civil litigation
was resolved,
512
00:28:01,461 --> 00:28:05,335
Maxwell did not go
to the prosecutors
513
00:28:05,422 --> 00:28:07,163
and try to do a deal.
514
00:28:07,293 --> 00:28:08,947
She could have
given them Epstein.
515
00:28:09,078 --> 00:28:10,906
Now, maybe she was just still
516
00:28:11,036 --> 00:28:15,954
too under Epstein's sway,
517
00:28:16,085 --> 00:28:19,262
but she somehow almost seemed
518
00:28:19,392 --> 00:28:22,265
to put that out of her mind
519
00:28:22,395 --> 00:28:26,312
and go forward uh, as is-
as if it didn't happen.
520
00:28:26,443 --> 00:28:30,360
She should have known
that her days were numbered.
521
00:28:38,498 --> 00:28:42,807
[Anne McElvoy]
She started to turn up
more again in London
522
00:28:42,938 --> 00:28:45,592
in the late 20 teens.
523
00:28:45,723 --> 00:28:48,160
I felt that was probably
quite shrewd
524
00:28:48,291 --> 00:28:50,423
and strategic on her part,
525
00:28:50,554 --> 00:28:53,078
that she wanted something
that was away
526
00:28:53,165 --> 00:28:54,906
from the whole Epstein story.
527
00:28:55,037 --> 00:28:57,779
I think probably also
she wanted to know
528
00:28:57,909 --> 00:29:00,869
if London
was still talking to her.
529
00:29:00,999 --> 00:29:04,133
Things were clearly still
unraveling at a- at a rate,
530
00:29:04,263 --> 00:29:08,180
of which I certainly
was not aware at the time.
531
00:29:08,311 --> 00:29:10,356
You would never
be able to tell,
532
00:29:10,487 --> 00:29:12,010
if you met Ghislaine Maxwell,
what was going on.
533
00:29:12,141 --> 00:29:14,491
I mean, it was always
the same smooth,
534
00:29:14,621 --> 00:29:16,667
ocean-going confidence.
535
00:29:16,798 --> 00:29:18,669
I met her uh, through friends
536
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,629
who'd brought her to a party
that we were at.
537
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,807
We talked about
our Oxford years.
538
00:29:25,937 --> 00:29:28,331
And she said "It was
a great time, wasn't it?"
539
00:29:28,461 --> 00:29:30,376
And I said,
"Yeah, it was a great time."
540
00:29:30,507 --> 00:29:33,162
And she said, "Yes,
it's... it's sad, isn't it,
541
00:29:33,292 --> 00:29:35,599
how things turn out?"
542
00:29:40,517 --> 00:29:42,127
[newsreader]
A judge ruled this afternoon
543
00:29:42,214 --> 00:29:44,651
that federal prosecutors
broke the law
544
00:29:44,782 --> 00:29:47,829
when they signed a plea
agreement with Jeffrey Epstein.
545
00:29:47,959 --> 00:29:49,526
That's because
the agreement was hidden
546
00:29:49,656 --> 00:29:51,876
from 30
of his underage victims.
547
00:29:52,007 --> 00:29:53,660
The case received
renewed attention
548
00:29:53,791 --> 00:29:55,488
after
theMiami Herald published
549
00:29:55,619 --> 00:29:57,751
a lengthy investigation
into the plea deal.
550
00:30:08,762 --> 00:30:12,027
[Christina Oxenberg]
January 2019,
551
00:30:12,157 --> 00:30:15,465
oddly enough she likes,
552
00:30:15,552 --> 00:30:18,860
clicks "like",
on an Instagram post of mine.
553
00:30:18,947 --> 00:30:21,645
And her timing
was pretty appalling
554
00:30:21,775 --> 00:30:23,908
because by now
I know everything,
555
00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:27,303
and I'm furious,
I'm appalled,
556
00:30:27,390 --> 00:30:29,435
I'm disgusted.
557
00:30:29,522 --> 00:30:31,916
Because 20 years ago,
558
00:30:32,047 --> 00:30:35,833
Ghislaine told me that
she recruits three girls a day,
559
00:30:35,964 --> 00:30:39,228
but she was using
the word "girls."
560
00:30:39,358 --> 00:30:42,361
I literally just thought
she was just talking about
561
00:30:42,492 --> 00:30:44,929
human beings, women.
562
00:30:45,060 --> 00:30:48,454
In that article,
I see all of that,
563
00:30:48,585 --> 00:30:52,850
and I'm horrified...
564
00:30:52,981 --> 00:30:55,722
that she was talking
about children.
565
00:30:55,853 --> 00:30:57,594
We had been discussing children.
566
00:30:57,724 --> 00:31:00,727
It was hard to take on, um...
567
00:31:00,858 --> 00:31:03,513
on a lot of levels,
because, um...
568
00:31:04,818 --> 00:31:08,170
I felt responsible, in a way,
569
00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:09,911
that I had known information
570
00:31:13,392 --> 00:31:16,134
that could have maybe
made a difference.
571
00:31:16,265 --> 00:31:19,311
And, um, I felt sick.
572
00:31:19,442 --> 00:31:22,097
I was disgusted with her.
573
00:31:22,227 --> 00:31:26,710
I felt I had let humanity down.
574
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,148
And yet I didn't know
what I didn't know.
575
00:31:39,027 --> 00:31:41,638
The billionaire American
financier Jeffrey Epstein
576
00:31:41,768 --> 00:31:44,380
has been formally charged
with the sex trafficking
577
00:31:44,510 --> 00:31:47,644
of dozens of underage
teenage girls.
578
00:31:47,774 --> 00:31:51,561
The alleged behavior
shocks the conscience.
579
00:31:51,691 --> 00:31:56,174
And while the charge conduct
is from a number of years ago,
580
00:31:56,261 --> 00:31:58,263
it is still profoundly important
581
00:31:58,350 --> 00:32:02,659
to the many alleged victims,
now young women.
582
00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:06,402
They deserve
their day in court.
583
00:32:06,532 --> 00:32:08,534
[McCawley]
This is a great day
for victims,
584
00:32:08,665 --> 00:32:12,843
and I am humbled and inspired
by their voices.
585
00:32:12,974 --> 00:32:15,237
Our clients
are extremely gratified
586
00:32:15,367 --> 00:32:18,022
that these charges
have finally been brought.
587
00:32:22,722 --> 00:32:27,249
[reporter]
Jeffrey Epstein found dead
in an apparent suicide.
588
00:32:27,336 --> 00:32:29,816
The financier,
arrested on charges
589
00:32:29,903 --> 00:32:31,862
that he ran
a sex trafficking ring,
590
00:32:31,993 --> 00:32:34,821
apparently killed himself today
in prison.
591
00:32:34,908 --> 00:32:37,041
[reporter]
He took the easy way out,
592
00:32:37,128 --> 00:32:38,608
not having to face justice,
593
00:32:38,738 --> 00:32:41,002
not having to face the victims,
594
00:32:41,089 --> 00:32:42,916
And now it's entirely possible
this entire- this entire thing
595
00:32:43,047 --> 00:32:45,223
may be put in a file
and never seen again.
596
00:32:47,747 --> 00:32:50,924
[Helm]
I had plugged
my phone in to charge,
597
00:32:51,055 --> 00:32:52,709
and when I plugged it in,
I accidentally had swiped it
598
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:54,493
to, like, the news thing.
599
00:32:54,624 --> 00:32:57,322
Then there was his face.
600
00:32:57,409 --> 00:33:00,891
I looked at this headline,
and it read:
601
00:33:01,022 --> 00:33:05,417
"Jeffrey Epstein found in
fetal position in jail cell."
602
00:33:05,548 --> 00:33:07,941
I was shaking, you know.
603
00:33:08,072 --> 00:33:10,683
My heart was racing.
I was scared.
604
00:33:10,814 --> 00:33:12,555
I was... I was crying.
605
00:33:12,685 --> 00:33:15,906
I... I didn't know what to do.
606
00:33:16,037 --> 00:33:18,169
I had spent 17 years
607
00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:22,739
replaying all of that
countless times.
608
00:33:24,523 --> 00:33:29,267
And I had spent 17 years...
609
00:33:32,053 --> 00:33:36,405
keeping that in
a very, very tightly sealed,
610
00:33:36,535 --> 00:33:40,496
buttoned-up space of shame.
611
00:33:40,583 --> 00:33:45,153
It was like a re-traumatization
all over again.
612
00:33:45,283 --> 00:33:47,111
It was...
613
00:33:47,198 --> 00:33:51,637
The world, you know, shifted.
614
00:33:51,768 --> 00:33:54,422
But I knew, that was
that moment that I was, like,
615
00:33:54,553 --> 00:34:00,081
"You are not gonna sit here
anymore and stay silent."
616
00:34:03,780 --> 00:34:06,913
"It's not how Jeffrey died,
but it's how he lived,
617
00:34:07,043 --> 00:34:09,699
and we need to get to the bottom
618
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:12,614
of everybody
who was involved with that,
619
00:34:12,745 --> 00:34:14,268
starting with Ghislaine Maxwell.
620
00:34:14,399 --> 00:34:17,402
I went to New York City
621
00:34:17,533 --> 00:34:20,143
and spoke in federal court
622
00:34:20,275 --> 00:34:23,234
in August of 2019.
623
00:34:23,364 --> 00:34:26,585
I said, "Ghislaine Maxwell
needs to be held accountable
624
00:34:26,672 --> 00:34:30,676
because she's what
got me there."
625
00:34:30,806 --> 00:34:34,505
She groomed me to walk myself
626
00:34:34,637 --> 00:34:36,856
to the home
of a predator willingly.
627
00:34:36,987 --> 00:34:39,120
If it were not for her,
628
00:34:39,250 --> 00:34:42,949
I would not have been abused.
629
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,908
Jeffrey Epstein may be dead,
630
00:34:45,038 --> 00:34:49,869
but the investigation continues
into his web of abuse.
631
00:34:49,956 --> 00:34:52,002
According to new reports,
632
00:34:52,089 --> 00:34:54,744
the FBI has launched
an investigation
633
00:34:54,874 --> 00:34:57,529
of the British socialite
Ghislaine Maxwell.
634
00:34:57,660 --> 00:34:59,314
The big question,
Lady Victoria, now
635
00:34:59,444 --> 00:35:01,620
is where is Ghislaine Maxwell?
636
00:35:01,707 --> 00:35:04,449
You knew her well. When did you
last have any contact with her?
637
00:35:04,580 --> 00:35:09,106
I haven't seen her
since September last year.
638
00:35:09,237 --> 00:35:12,196
Um, I don't think we'll...
you're gonna...
639
00:35:12,283 --> 00:35:13,545
No one's gonna find her.
640
00:35:13,676 --> 00:35:15,808
[ticking]
641
00:35:19,464 --> 00:35:22,554
[reporter]
For months, prosecutors say
Ghislaine Maxwell hid away
642
00:35:22,685 --> 00:35:24,382
in this New Hampshire mansion.
643
00:35:24,513 --> 00:35:28,256
But Thursday,
FBI agents moved in.
644
00:35:28,343 --> 00:35:29,909
[woman]
Good morning.
645
00:35:29,996 --> 00:35:31,563
Today we announce charges
646
00:35:31,650 --> 00:35:33,739
against Ghislaine Maxwell
647
00:35:33,870 --> 00:35:39,092
for helping Jeffrey Epstein
sexually exploit and abuse
648
00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:41,573
multiple minor girls
649
00:35:41,704 --> 00:35:47,057
who were as young
as 14 years old.
650
00:35:47,144 --> 00:35:51,017
The moment I got the phone call
that Maxwell had been arrested,
651
00:35:51,104 --> 00:35:53,455
I called all of my clients.
652
00:35:53,585 --> 00:35:56,632
I remember crying
on the phone with them.
653
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,461
It was around nine o'clock
in the morning,
654
00:35:59,591 --> 00:36:02,855
and I got a phone call
from my lawyer,
655
00:36:02,986 --> 00:36:07,033
and she let me know that
Ghislaine had been arrested.
656
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,212
And... I... It wa...
657
00:36:11,342 --> 00:36:13,649
I mean, it was like a cel...
It was a celebration.
658
00:36:13,779 --> 00:36:17,914
I was laughing and crying
at the same time.
659
00:36:18,044 --> 00:36:20,482
Today, after many years,
660
00:36:20,612 --> 00:36:24,834
Ghislaine Maxwell
finally stands charged
661
00:36:24,964 --> 00:36:27,358
for her role in these crimes.
662
00:36:27,489 --> 00:36:29,186
She had hoped
she could be released
663
00:36:29,273 --> 00:36:32,189
to a luxury hotel in New York
to wait out the trial,
664
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,887
but ultimately a judge said
there were no set of conditions
665
00:36:35,018 --> 00:36:36,846
that could ensure
she would not flee,
666
00:36:36,976 --> 00:36:38,587
the risk simply too great.
667
00:36:40,893 --> 00:36:42,852
[reporter]
After a life of luxury,
668
00:36:42,982 --> 00:36:45,289
this is now Ghislaine Maxwell's
stone-cold reality.
669
00:36:45,376 --> 00:36:48,771
Denied bail, imprisoned
in solitary confinement,
670
00:36:48,858 --> 00:36:50,729
and heavily guarded here,
671
00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:52,949
at the Metropolitan Detention
Center in Brooklyn,
672
00:36:53,036 --> 00:36:56,039
with her trial
at least a year away.
673
00:36:56,169 --> 00:36:59,869
[Maloney]
I'm still in a state of shock.
674
00:36:59,999 --> 00:37:02,350
I can't believe that Ghislaine
675
00:37:02,437 --> 00:37:05,744
would have stooped
to that level.
676
00:37:05,875 --> 00:37:07,442
I really...
677
00:37:07,572 --> 00:37:09,618
Part of me
doesn't want to believe it,
678
00:37:09,748 --> 00:37:12,751
and part of me
doesn't believe it.
679
00:37:12,882 --> 00:37:15,232
Not the Ghislaine I knew.
680
00:37:15,363 --> 00:37:20,019
But, then again,
a lot can happen in 40 years.
681
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:21,412
I'm sure
that there are many people
682
00:37:21,543 --> 00:37:23,936
who do not view
Ghislaine Maxwell
683
00:37:24,067 --> 00:37:26,896
through those lenses
of a predator or a monster.
684
00:37:27,026 --> 00:37:31,640
They view her as whatever
fun party they attended,
685
00:37:31,770 --> 00:37:35,296
or whatever holiday
they attended with her.
686
00:37:35,426 --> 00:37:37,776
She's not walking around
687
00:37:37,907 --> 00:37:40,518
shouting to the world
that she was a predator.
688
00:37:40,605 --> 00:37:45,480
She wasn't sharing that at
the holiday parties, you know.
689
00:37:45,567 --> 00:37:47,569
So I don't necessarily
blame folks
690
00:37:47,699 --> 00:37:51,268
that can't see her that way.
691
00:37:51,399 --> 00:37:55,664
I think that sometimes people
have very deep, dark secrets,
692
00:37:55,794 --> 00:37:58,057
and this is
a very deep, dark secret
693
00:37:58,188 --> 00:38:00,364
that she carried on, you know.
694
00:38:00,451 --> 00:38:02,888
The unfortunate
harsh reality it is
695
00:38:03,019 --> 00:38:05,326
for those that love
and care for her.
696
00:38:06,588 --> 00:38:09,112
[ticking]
697
00:38:11,723 --> 00:38:13,246
We're back this morning
with the latest
698
00:38:13,334 --> 00:38:15,640
on the Ghislaine Maxwell
sex trafficking trial.
699
00:38:15,771 --> 00:38:17,990
She denies all of the charges
against her.
700
00:38:18,121 --> 00:38:22,604
[reporter]
Three women who say as
teenagers they were exploited
701
00:38:22,734 --> 00:38:25,476
have so far given evidence
at this trial.
702
00:38:28,305 --> 00:38:31,743
Today began the long anticipated
testimony of Annie Farmer,
703
00:38:31,830 --> 00:38:33,745
the only accusing witness
704
00:38:33,832 --> 00:38:36,052
stepping forward
against Ghislaine Maxwell
705
00:38:36,182 --> 00:38:37,967
in her real name.
706
00:38:38,097 --> 00:38:41,579
And it began
with the prosecution saying,
707
00:38:41,710 --> 00:38:43,494
"Is there anyone
in this courtroom
708
00:38:43,625 --> 00:38:45,453
who has ever given you
a massage?"
709
00:38:45,583 --> 00:38:49,805
And she said yes
and identified the defendant.
710
00:38:49,935 --> 00:38:53,199
She said
that she was asked to disrobe
711
00:38:53,330 --> 00:38:57,943
and told to turn around,
lying on her back,
712
00:38:58,030 --> 00:39:00,859
that Ghislaine Maxwell
pulled down the sheet,
713
00:39:00,990 --> 00:39:04,123
exposing her breast
and touching her breast.
714
00:39:06,169 --> 00:39:09,085
It was definitely Ghislaine
who asked me first
715
00:39:09,215 --> 00:39:11,304
about my sister Annie.
716
00:39:13,132 --> 00:39:16,745
Because I was always bragging
about her to everyone.
717
00:39:16,875 --> 00:39:18,703
I mean, she was my whole world,
so I was like,
718
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:20,792
"Oh, my gosh,
my sister's the smartest,
719
00:39:20,923 --> 00:39:23,534
the most beautiful,
the most angelic."
720
00:39:23,621 --> 00:39:25,841
And I had definitely
bragged about her
721
00:39:25,971 --> 00:39:28,321
to Epstein and to Ghislaine.
722
00:39:28,409 --> 00:39:31,324
This is in 1995.
I was in Palm Beach.
723
00:39:31,455 --> 00:39:33,762
And I was sitting outside
by the pool,
724
00:39:33,892 --> 00:39:35,372
and Ghislaine was, you know,
725
00:39:35,503 --> 00:39:38,897
leaning on a chaise,
and she said,
726
00:39:39,028 --> 00:39:41,683
"Oh, it's too bad Annie's
not here with us, you know."
727
00:39:41,813 --> 00:39:43,119
"It would be very nice
to have her here."
728
00:39:43,249 --> 00:39:44,773
And I said,
"Oh, she would love it."
729
00:39:44,860 --> 00:39:46,949
"She would have
so much fun, definitely."
730
00:39:59,222 --> 00:40:03,705
Ghislaine's role with Annie
was huge, it- it's everything,
731
00:40:03,835 --> 00:40:09,014
because my mother
and everyone believed,
732
00:40:09,145 --> 00:40:11,626
we all believed,
that Annie would be safe
733
00:40:11,756 --> 00:40:14,106
with a married couple.
734
00:40:14,237 --> 00:40:16,718
They told my mother
that they were married.
735
00:40:16,848 --> 00:40:18,763
They told me they were married,
736
00:40:18,850 --> 00:40:21,026
you know, right when I first
started working for them,
737
00:40:21,157 --> 00:40:22,811
but it was to make us feel safe.
738
00:40:22,941 --> 00:40:26,902
Because what woman
is gonna attack a child, right?
739
00:40:26,989 --> 00:40:28,773
We didn't know
that women did that.
740
00:40:28,904 --> 00:40:32,081
And we didn't understand
when we found out
741
00:40:32,211 --> 00:40:34,257
how a woman
could participate in this.
742
00:40:34,387 --> 00:40:36,259
It was really
the most shocking part.
743
00:40:44,136 --> 00:40:47,096
[Klasfeld] So, after two
very brisk weeks of trial,
744
00:40:47,226 --> 00:40:49,315
the government has rested,
745
00:40:49,446 --> 00:40:52,623
and it's rested
with this explosive testimony
746
00:40:52,754 --> 00:40:54,669
from Annie Farmer.
747
00:40:54,799 --> 00:40:56,497
The other witnesses were crying
748
00:40:56,627 --> 00:40:59,674
as they recounted
these really troubling memories.
749
00:40:59,761 --> 00:41:01,719
With Annie Farmer,
it's a different dynamic.
750
00:41:01,806 --> 00:41:04,417
It's the unflappable
Annie Farmer.
751
00:41:04,548 --> 00:41:06,724
I did tell Annie
that I was very...
752
00:41:06,811 --> 00:41:08,421
I- that I was very proud of her,
753
00:41:08,509 --> 00:41:12,948
that she...
that she was so brave.
754
00:41:13,078 --> 00:41:16,821
She did it for everybody, like
Virginia and Teresa and myself.
755
00:41:16,952 --> 00:41:19,302
She's just that generous,
you know,
756
00:41:19,432 --> 00:41:21,478
that she would be
thinking of everyone.
757
00:41:21,609 --> 00:41:24,525
This trial
is incredibly important
758
00:41:24,612 --> 00:41:26,657
for everyone
who's ever suffered,
759
00:41:26,788 --> 00:41:30,095
I think,
any kind of sexual abuse.
760
00:41:30,226 --> 00:41:33,272
I'm concerned, very concerned,
if she's released.
761
00:41:33,403 --> 00:41:36,058
Um, if she's not
held accountable,
762
00:41:36,188 --> 00:41:39,017
that would be very damaging.
763
00:41:39,148 --> 00:41:43,282
I reported this thing 26 years
ago to the federal government.
764
00:41:43,413 --> 00:41:47,896
They nursed it, allowed it to
exist very clearly for 26 years.
765
00:41:48,026 --> 00:41:49,680
And it just makes me really mad
766
00:41:49,811 --> 00:41:53,162
that, um, these people
are able to get away
767
00:41:53,292 --> 00:41:55,033
with abusing as many people
as they do,
768
00:41:55,164 --> 00:41:57,209
'cause you don't recover
from those things.
769
00:41:57,296 --> 00:42:00,386
They have all that power,
all that credibility,
770
00:42:00,517 --> 00:42:03,825
and Ghislaine gave... lent
that credibility to Epstein.
771
00:42:03,955 --> 00:42:05,783
That's what she provided
in this charade.
772
00:42:05,914 --> 00:42:07,698
What it did do to me,
this experience,
773
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:09,091
is it took away my trust
774
00:42:09,221 --> 00:42:11,354
in every human being
on this earth,
775
00:42:11,484 --> 00:42:13,399
because if you can't trust
the people
776
00:42:13,530 --> 00:42:16,881
who are running the whole show,
who can you trust?
777
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:24,585
[Helm]
Walking into that courtroom,
778
00:42:24,715 --> 00:42:29,894
my body was shaking,
my heart was racing.
779
00:42:30,025 --> 00:42:33,463
Being in the same room
with Ghislaine
780
00:42:33,594 --> 00:42:37,467
for the first time in 19 years,
781
00:42:37,598 --> 00:42:42,080
I was overwhelmed physically.
782
00:42:42,211 --> 00:42:45,867
Her and I looked
straight at one another.
783
00:42:45,997 --> 00:42:49,740
I didn't look away, not...
I didn't blink.
784
00:42:49,871 --> 00:42:51,263
She looked away.
785
00:42:54,702 --> 00:43:00,055
This is me asserting my freedom,
and asserting my power,
786
00:43:00,185 --> 00:43:04,537
and taking back
what was taken from me.
787
00:43:08,933 --> 00:43:11,283
But I couldn't help but notice,
788
00:43:11,414 --> 00:43:13,459
some of her body language,
you know,
789
00:43:13,590 --> 00:43:16,506
just tossing her hair
all about,
790
00:43:16,593 --> 00:43:19,378
like, she didn't really
come across
791
00:43:19,465 --> 00:43:24,122
as someone fearful of outcomes.
792
00:43:24,253 --> 00:43:27,299
And that seems to be
what she's still carrying,
793
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:34,655
that presumption that all
will turn out in her favor,
794
00:43:34,742 --> 00:43:39,137
and that's someone
that's unwell.
795
00:43:39,268 --> 00:43:42,184
That's complete disconnect
from what she's done.
796
00:43:42,314 --> 00:43:44,360
[reporter]
Now to Lower Manhattan,
where the Ghislaine Maxwell
797
00:43:44,490 --> 00:43:47,885
sex trafficking trial
is now in its 12th day.
798
00:43:48,016 --> 00:43:49,887
Well, first of all, the defense
team for Ghislaine Maxwell,
799
00:43:49,974 --> 00:43:52,455
they did not start off the
day today well at all,
800
00:43:52,542 --> 00:43:54,544
the judge scolding them
801
00:43:54,675 --> 00:43:57,895
for not having some of their
witnesses ready to testify.
802
00:43:58,026 --> 00:44:02,030
Now, one of them is going to be
ignoring a federal subpoena,
803
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,033
another one has COVID,
another one is 81 years old,
804
00:44:05,163 --> 00:44:07,949
lives in the UK
and cannot be here until Monday,
805
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:11,822
and then a fourth witness
who is scheduled to testify
806
00:44:11,953 --> 00:44:13,955
is pleading the Fifth.
807
00:44:19,961 --> 00:44:22,833
[Klasfeld]
The defense case rested
only two days in
808
00:44:22,964 --> 00:44:24,661
in the trial
of Ghislaine Maxwell,
809
00:44:24,792 --> 00:44:26,924
and usually
when asked whether or not
810
00:44:27,055 --> 00:44:28,883
a criminal defendant
will testify in their defense,
811
00:44:29,013 --> 00:44:30,449
it's yes or no.
812
00:44:30,580 --> 00:44:32,538
Not Ghislaine Maxwell.
She said:
813
00:44:32,669 --> 00:44:35,019
"Your Honor, the government
has not proven its case
814
00:44:35,106 --> 00:44:36,673
beyond a reasonable doubt,
815
00:44:36,804 --> 00:44:39,937
and so there is no need
for me to testify."
816
00:44:40,068 --> 00:44:41,765
And that's the kind
of Ghislaine Maxwell
817
00:44:41,852 --> 00:44:43,724
we've seen
throughout this trial.
818
00:44:43,854 --> 00:44:46,291
Confident, relaxed,
awaiting a fate
819
00:44:46,422 --> 00:44:48,990
that could see
the rest of her life in prison.
820
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,732
If she's feeling
any sense of panic over that,
821
00:44:51,862 --> 00:44:54,822
she's not putting on a face
that would show that.
822
00:45:04,179 --> 00:45:06,398
[ticking]
823
00:45:12,317 --> 00:45:14,755
[reporter]
Breaking news in the Ghislaine
Maxwell trial.
824
00:45:14,885 --> 00:45:17,409
She has been convicted.
825
00:45:17,540 --> 00:45:20,978
[reporter 2]
She stood there stony-faced as
the jury read out the verdict.
826
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:22,937
When the jury filed out,
827
00:45:23,067 --> 00:45:25,983
Ghislaine Maxwell
poured a glass of water,
828
00:45:26,070 --> 00:45:29,857
hugged one of her lawyers and
was led out of the courtroom.
829
00:45:29,987 --> 00:45:32,250
Ghislaine Maxwell just got
convicted
830
00:45:32,381 --> 00:45:34,992
of five of six of the serious
counts against her,
831
00:45:35,123 --> 00:45:36,951
including
the most serious counts,
832
00:45:37,081 --> 00:45:38,517
sex trafficking of a minor,
833
00:45:38,648 --> 00:45:41,477
which has
a possible maximum penalty
834
00:45:41,607 --> 00:45:43,305
of 40 years imprisonment.
835
00:45:43,435 --> 00:45:45,133
[camera shutters click]
836
00:45:45,220 --> 00:45:47,570
[reporter]
Mr. Maxwell, Mr. Maxwell,
837
00:45:47,700 --> 00:45:50,138
can we have a statement
on behalf of the family, please?
838
00:45:50,225 --> 00:45:52,053
What is your reaction
to the verdict?
839
00:45:52,183 --> 00:45:56,187
We firmly believe
in Ghislaine's innocence.
840
00:45:56,318 --> 00:45:59,321
Obviously we are very
disappointed with the verdict.
841
00:45:59,451 --> 00:46:02,454
We have already started working
on the appeal.
842
00:46:02,541 --> 00:46:05,457
Everyone, be healthy.
Have a happy new year.
843
00:46:21,952 --> 00:46:25,216
It's a tremendous relief
to be here.
844
00:46:25,347 --> 00:46:28,698
I- I, um, wasn't sure
that this day would ever come,
845
00:46:28,829 --> 00:46:33,007
and uh, I just feel so grateful
that the jury believed us
846
00:46:33,137 --> 00:46:36,184
and sent a strong message
that perpetrators
847
00:46:36,314 --> 00:46:39,970
of sexual abuse and exploitation
will be held accountable,
848
00:46:40,057 --> 00:46:42,755
no matter how much power
and privilege that they have.
849
00:46:45,019 --> 00:46:47,804
[Anne McElvoy]
I don't think
the verdict was a shock,
850
00:46:47,935 --> 00:46:51,634
but I did find
it- it made me recoil.
851
00:46:52,896 --> 00:46:56,682
Looking at Ghislaine Maxwell
striding around Oxford
852
00:46:56,813 --> 00:46:59,642
all those years ago,
853
00:46:59,772 --> 00:47:01,818
there was something
very attractive,
854
00:47:01,949 --> 00:47:05,691
very engaging,
commanding about her,
855
00:47:05,778 --> 00:47:09,391
and that did make her
someone you...
856
00:47:09,521 --> 00:47:14,396
people wanted to know,
they enjoyed her company.
857
00:47:14,526 --> 00:47:17,529
And yet those same attributes
858
00:47:17,616 --> 00:47:21,794
were turned to... really
to something very, very wicked.
859
00:47:23,971 --> 00:47:26,451
If you'd said to me
this is where
860
00:47:26,582 --> 00:47:28,062
Ghislaine Maxwell will end up,
861
00:47:28,192 --> 00:47:32,153
this is what you'd be
talking about today,
862
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:35,286
I'd have said, "That's crazy.
You've got the wrong person."
863
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,337
What Epstein did
864
00:47:42,424 --> 00:47:45,122
is almost a microcosm
865
00:47:45,253 --> 00:47:47,429
of how the world works,
866
00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:49,866
of very rich and powerful people
867
00:47:49,997 --> 00:47:54,740
exploiting people
without that wealth and power.
868
00:47:54,871 --> 00:47:58,919
She was the facilitator
of that rapacity,
869
00:47:59,049 --> 00:48:03,401
that predatory determination
to meet your needs
870
00:48:03,488 --> 00:48:06,665
regardless of
anybody else's costs.
871
00:48:09,059 --> 00:48:12,280
Maxwell did not do this
because Epstein told her to.
872
00:48:12,410 --> 00:48:16,327
She did it in her- her own
agency, her own will.
873
00:48:16,458 --> 00:48:19,852
She chose to perpetrate these
crimes against young victims,
874
00:48:19,983 --> 00:48:22,768
and she benefited
from those crimes.
875
00:48:22,899 --> 00:48:26,250
[Boies]
Epstein and Maxwell could not
have accomplished what they did
876
00:48:26,381 --> 00:48:28,470
acting alone.
877
00:48:28,557 --> 00:48:32,996
They could not have had
the scope and scale and duration
878
00:48:33,127 --> 00:48:35,520
of the sexual trafficking
and abuse.
879
00:48:35,651 --> 00:48:40,090
Their collaborators, their
enablers, their coconspirators
880
00:48:40,177 --> 00:48:43,311
are all people who need to be
brought to justice.
881
00:48:43,441 --> 00:48:46,401
The horrible heartache,
882
00:48:46,531 --> 00:48:48,969
collective heartache,
of all of this.
883
00:48:50,796 --> 00:48:53,756
For these two people
884
00:48:53,886 --> 00:48:57,107
to have created
for so many people,
885
00:48:57,238 --> 00:48:58,979
and then so many other people
off of that,
886
00:48:59,109 --> 00:49:01,590
families and parents
and all the other things
887
00:49:01,677 --> 00:49:06,203
that... that stem off of this,
you know, shame on you.
888
00:49:06,334 --> 00:49:08,162
Shame on you, so...
889
00:49:13,776 --> 00:49:15,169
And not on me.
890
00:49:17,214 --> 00:49:23,003
I don't wish... harm.
891
00:49:23,133 --> 00:49:25,701
However, she does not deserve
to be free.
892
00:49:25,831 --> 00:49:28,269
I can only hope
893
00:49:28,356 --> 00:49:31,576
that at some point
894
00:49:31,707 --> 00:49:35,754
she admits to herself
895
00:49:35,885 --> 00:49:37,104
what she's done,
896
00:49:37,234 --> 00:49:39,149
'cause I don't think she has,
897
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,805
at this point... no.
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