1 00:00:04,873 --> 00:00:08,877 [Pivar] The story is- is more bizarre than- than people begin to realize. 2 00:00:09,008 --> 00:00:13,404 [Oxenberg] She says, "Jeffrey has to have three orgasms a day, 3 00:00:13,534 --> 00:00:17,930 and I help him 'cause I cannot keep up with his libido." 4 00:00:18,060 --> 00:00:21,151 [Farmer] Ghislaine would go and get people out of Central Park. 5 00:00:21,281 --> 00:00:24,458 And I saw her give her phone number to a girl, 6 00:00:24,589 --> 00:00:26,721 and then that child showed up. 7 00:00:26,852 --> 00:00:29,898 Miss Maxwell did explain that there would be a lot of women around. 8 00:00:30,029 --> 00:00:32,466 [Miles] She said, "You'll see lots of bees around the honey pot, 9 00:00:32,597 --> 00:00:34,773 but I'm the queen bee, always remember that." 10 00:00:34,903 --> 00:00:38,907 Miss Maxwell is the reason that I was abused. 11 00:00:39,038 --> 00:00:41,345 She led me into that situation. 12 00:00:41,475 --> 00:00:44,087 [Helm] Everybody wants to talk about him, 13 00:00:44,217 --> 00:00:46,480 and it's not focused on Ghislaine. 14 00:00:46,611 --> 00:00:51,442 She facilitated it. She made the network happen. 15 00:00:56,055 --> 00:00:59,928 I love the smell of the ocean spray. 16 00:01:00,059 --> 00:01:02,061 The sound of the waves. 17 00:01:02,192 --> 00:01:05,412 The cry of the sea birds. 18 00:01:05,543 --> 00:01:08,154 The sunsets, the sunrises. 19 00:01:09,590 --> 00:01:11,418 I love the ocean. 20 00:01:16,293 --> 00:01:18,382 [reporter] In New York, stunning testimony today 21 00:01:18,512 --> 00:01:21,036 from an alleged victim in the sex trafficking trial 22 00:01:21,124 --> 00:01:24,169 of Jeffry Epstein's companion Ghislaine Maxwell. 23 00:01:24,257 --> 00:01:26,303 [reporter 2] The first of Ghislaine Maxwell's four accusers, 24 00:01:26,389 --> 00:01:29,001 testifying under the pseudonym Jane, 25 00:01:29,132 --> 00:01:30,785 graphically described the first time 26 00:01:30,916 --> 00:01:33,875 Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused her. 27 00:01:34,006 --> 00:01:36,312 Some of the details are absolutely harrowing. 28 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,011 Maxwell, she says, fondled her breasts. 29 00:01:39,142 --> 00:01:43,276 Jeffrey Epstein sexually assaulted her with sex toys 30 00:01:43,407 --> 00:01:45,887 when she was 14 years old. 31 00:01:46,018 --> 00:01:48,760 It's a trial a quarter century in the making. 32 00:01:48,890 --> 00:01:50,675 And of course since that time, 33 00:01:50,805 --> 00:01:53,765 the victims have been looking for a reckoning. 34 00:01:53,895 --> 00:01:55,853 [Sigrid McCawley] I've been working with the survivors 35 00:01:55,984 --> 00:01:57,986 of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell 36 00:01:58,117 --> 00:02:01,033 for about seven years now. 37 00:02:01,164 --> 00:02:05,255 I think for any of the women who are being called to testify, 38 00:02:05,385 --> 00:02:08,127 there's a lot of anxiety with having to face your abuser 39 00:02:08,257 --> 00:02:10,085 in a court of law. 40 00:02:10,173 --> 00:02:11,826 There will be a lot of relief in this as well, 41 00:02:11,957 --> 00:02:13,828 because they'll have the opportunity 42 00:02:13,959 --> 00:02:16,875 to talk to the jurors about what happened to them. 43 00:02:17,005 --> 00:02:19,791 There's been a lot of speculation 44 00:02:19,921 --> 00:02:23,360 about why it took so long for Maxwell to be held accountable. 45 00:02:23,490 --> 00:02:26,014 That involves power and privilege 46 00:02:26,145 --> 00:02:29,714 in a way that was unique to this circumstance. 47 00:02:30,976 --> 00:02:33,457 Well, there's so many of us that have walked around 48 00:02:33,587 --> 00:02:37,896 feeling like we don't have the right to speak up for ourselves. 49 00:02:38,026 --> 00:02:40,072 I definitely need to be here to show her 50 00:02:40,203 --> 00:02:44,032 that everything that she's taken from me, 51 00:02:44,163 --> 00:02:45,685 I'm taking it all back. 52 00:02:47,732 --> 00:02:49,908 It has to be the turning point, 53 00:02:50,038 --> 00:02:53,738 that society as a whole puts that stake in the ground, 54 00:02:53,868 --> 00:02:55,609 draws that line and says 55 00:02:55,740 --> 00:02:58,699 you cannot get away with these things 56 00:02:58,830 --> 00:03:01,354 just because of who you are and how much money you have. 57 00:03:01,485 --> 00:03:04,096 [dramatic music] 58 00:03:16,413 --> 00:03:18,980 [dialing telephone] 59 00:03:19,067 --> 00:03:21,548 [ringing tone] 60 00:03:21,635 --> 00:03:24,638 [ticking] 61 00:03:49,184 --> 00:03:52,971 [Spencer Kuvin] I'm an attorney practicing in West Palm Beach, Florida. 62 00:03:53,101 --> 00:03:55,582 I represented one of the first young victims to come forward 63 00:03:55,713 --> 00:03:58,933 here in Palm Beach County against Mr. Epstein. 64 00:03:59,064 --> 00:04:02,241 Through that process we began to understand 65 00:04:02,372 --> 00:04:07,681 the full breadth of Mr. Epstein's sexual conspiracy, 66 00:04:07,812 --> 00:04:10,293 and the organization which involved Maxwell, 67 00:04:10,423 --> 00:04:11,816 as well as many of the other young girls 68 00:04:11,946 --> 00:04:13,774 that she had trained. 69 00:04:40,975 --> 00:04:44,936 These were young girls, some of them as young as 14 years old, 70 00:04:45,066 --> 00:04:47,678 who did not have the wherewithal to understand 71 00:04:47,765 --> 00:04:50,811 what they were getting themselves into. 72 00:04:50,942 --> 00:04:52,596 [police officer] The premises desired to be searched 73 00:04:52,726 --> 00:04:54,772 is a two-story, single-family residence, 74 00:04:54,902 --> 00:04:57,209 occupied or under the control of Jeffrey Epstein, 75 00:04:57,340 --> 00:05:00,212 white male, date of birth 1.20.53. 76 00:05:00,343 --> 00:05:02,301 [Spencer Kuvin] The first young lady that I represented 77 00:05:02,388 --> 00:05:04,651 never specifically mentioned Maxwell. 78 00:05:04,782 --> 00:05:06,479 But there was this older, British, 79 00:05:06,566 --> 00:05:08,786 distinguished lady behind the scenes. 80 00:05:08,916 --> 00:05:11,963 They didn't know who she was. She was answering the door. 81 00:05:12,093 --> 00:05:14,226 She was escorting people through. 82 00:05:14,313 --> 00:05:16,489 She was telling them, "Oh, go up there. Go into that room," 83 00:05:16,620 --> 00:05:18,709 or "Go into the kitchen." 84 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,712 When my clients visited, they would frequently see 85 00:05:21,842 --> 00:05:25,063 pictures of Ghislaine Maxwell with very famous individuals, 86 00:05:25,193 --> 00:05:29,154 and it was very clear she was very wealthy and powerful. 87 00:05:29,284 --> 00:05:32,505 But at the beginning we weren't really focused on her, 88 00:05:32,636 --> 00:05:36,466 so we never learned the full breadth of her part in this 89 00:05:36,553 --> 00:05:38,163 until much later on. 90 00:05:38,293 --> 00:05:40,121 we were focused on Epstein. 91 00:05:40,252 --> 00:05:42,428 Later during the investigation, 92 00:05:42,559 --> 00:05:44,952 when interviewing and conducting the deposition, 93 00:05:45,083 --> 00:05:48,782 the name Maxwell would come up repeatedly. 94 00:05:48,913 --> 00:05:50,741 Ghislaine Maxwell was a lot more than just someone 95 00:05:50,871 --> 00:05:52,960 who stayed in a room at the Palm Beach mansion. 96 00:05:53,091 --> 00:05:56,137 She was directing the activities that were going on there. 97 00:05:56,268 --> 00:05:58,836 What we came to learn is that 98 00:05:58,966 --> 00:06:01,708 by the time of this investigation, 99 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,406 Maxwell had stepped away 100 00:06:03,493 --> 00:06:05,712 from the direct recruitment of young girls. 101 00:06:05,843 --> 00:06:09,629 She had trained primary recruiters. 102 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:14,547 Those primary recruiters then would train local recruiters 103 00:06:14,678 --> 00:06:16,723 to get girls to come over to the house. 104 00:06:18,159 --> 00:06:19,683 This sexual pyramid scheme 105 00:06:19,813 --> 00:06:23,426 really had Ghislaine Maxwell at the top. 106 00:06:23,556 --> 00:06:25,688 We as attorneys wanted to talk to her. 107 00:06:25,819 --> 00:06:27,952 We knew that she was jet-setting across the world. 108 00:06:28,082 --> 00:06:29,562 We knew that she could fly to France 109 00:06:29,693 --> 00:06:32,826 or Virgin Islands at any moment. 110 00:06:32,957 --> 00:06:34,915 We had heard that she was at some kind 111 00:06:35,046 --> 00:06:38,745 of a private benefit event up in New York at one point, 112 00:06:38,876 --> 00:06:42,270 so we had hired process servers to go and try and serve her. 113 00:06:42,401 --> 00:06:44,708 Unfortunately, that ended up in a failure. 114 00:06:44,837 --> 00:06:46,797 They couldn't get in and get her served. 115 00:06:46,927 --> 00:06:49,495 So we were never able to issue a subpoena to her at the time, 116 00:06:49,582 --> 00:06:52,977 because she had essentially disappeared in the wind. 117 00:07:07,382 --> 00:07:09,646 [Cathy] I went down to tidy his room, 118 00:07:09,776 --> 00:07:13,519 and there on his dresser was the arrest warrant. 119 00:07:13,606 --> 00:07:15,956 I actually didn't read what the thing was 120 00:07:16,043 --> 00:07:18,611 until he actually told us up in the kitchen. 121 00:07:18,742 --> 00:07:20,308 I think I was too frightened to snoop. 122 00:07:20,438 --> 00:07:23,573 When he spoke to us on that morning, 123 00:07:23,703 --> 00:07:27,620 he said it was for solicitation of a minor 124 00:07:27,751 --> 00:07:29,274 for prostitution, huh? 125 00:07:29,404 --> 00:07:30,710 -Something like that. -Something like that. 126 00:07:30,841 --> 00:07:32,277 In all honesty, I was shocked. 127 00:07:32,407 --> 00:07:34,671 -We were shocked. -We were both shocked. 128 00:07:34,801 --> 00:07:36,150 The way it was explained to us was basically 129 00:07:36,236 --> 00:07:38,152 a "slap on the wrist" fine, 130 00:07:38,283 --> 00:07:40,328 like a traffic fine that they're charging him with, 131 00:07:40,415 --> 00:07:42,200 well, it seemed like it. 132 00:07:42,330 --> 00:07:44,637 So I said, "Well, just pay the fine and get over and done." 133 00:07:44,768 --> 00:07:46,770 "Get it out of the news. Get everything sorted." 134 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:49,468 At that point in the relationship between the two of them, 135 00:07:49,599 --> 00:07:52,297 I think it was pretty antagonistic at points. 136 00:07:52,427 --> 00:07:55,213 He actually told us... 137 00:07:55,343 --> 00:07:58,172 that, um... she'd gone. 138 00:07:58,303 --> 00:08:00,044 Yeah, one day she's... 139 00:08:00,174 --> 00:08:02,916 One day, he walked into the kitchen and he said, "It's over." 140 00:08:03,047 --> 00:08:05,832 I actually felt quite sorry for him at the time. 141 00:08:05,919 --> 00:08:08,269 [Miles] It was a bit... traumatic. 142 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,491 Traumatic. We had a couple of fighting matches. 143 00:08:12,622 --> 00:08:14,319 I wouldn't go too deep into that. 144 00:08:14,449 --> 00:08:18,236 No, I know, which is understandable, um... 145 00:08:18,366 --> 00:08:23,241 So you could see this relationship was moving 146 00:08:23,371 --> 00:08:25,373 in a different direction, yeah. 147 00:08:33,991 --> 00:08:38,735 Miss Maxwell was not around, um, for... for quite a while. 148 00:08:38,865 --> 00:08:40,388 She got involved with a man that does computers, 149 00:08:40,519 --> 00:08:42,521 as far as I remember. 150 00:08:42,652 --> 00:08:45,132 [Cathy] She was completely just out of the whole... 151 00:08:45,263 --> 00:08:47,134 -[Miles] Out of the loop. -Out of the loop. 152 00:08:47,265 --> 00:08:49,354 So you could see she'd started a new life for herself, 153 00:08:49,484 --> 00:08:52,792 which I thought was good for her, you know. 154 00:08:52,879 --> 00:08:58,058 The relationship uh, between Epstein and Maxwell, 155 00:08:58,189 --> 00:09:01,714 who was dominant, who was subservient, 156 00:09:01,801 --> 00:09:05,588 how many of the strategies and tactics 157 00:09:05,718 --> 00:09:09,679 for recruiting and grooming uh, came from Maxwell, 158 00:09:09,809 --> 00:09:11,550 and how much came from Epstein, 159 00:09:11,681 --> 00:09:14,814 uh, we'll never probably know completely. 160 00:09:14,945 --> 00:09:19,514 But what we do know is that Maxwell bears responsibility 161 00:09:19,645 --> 00:09:24,041 not only for the young women and girls 162 00:09:24,171 --> 00:09:26,130 who she personally recruited, 163 00:09:26,217 --> 00:09:30,221 but also for her role in the overall enterprise, 164 00:09:30,308 --> 00:09:33,659 where she would recruit somebody to recruit somebody else, 165 00:09:33,790 --> 00:09:37,315 to recruit somebody else, to recruit somebody else. 166 00:09:37,444 --> 00:09:40,013 I think that one of the cruelest things 167 00:09:40,144 --> 00:09:42,625 that Epstein and Maxwell did 168 00:09:42,712 --> 00:09:46,803 is to induce, coerce, these young girls 169 00:09:46,933 --> 00:09:50,589 to bring in other young girls. 170 00:09:50,676 --> 00:09:52,417 [Phillips] It has been a really big journey for me 171 00:09:52,547 --> 00:09:54,288 to actually get to that point 172 00:09:54,375 --> 00:09:55,986 where I'm not in denial anymore, 173 00:09:56,116 --> 00:09:59,511 and I can say, "Yeah, I was abused too." 174 00:09:59,642 --> 00:10:03,210 I was already in the islands next to him, in St. John's, 175 00:10:03,297 --> 00:10:05,430 and I just was with a friend, 176 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:08,651 and she asked me to go with her to the island. 177 00:10:08,738 --> 00:10:11,436 So I didn't know about this whole private island 178 00:10:11,566 --> 00:10:13,612 and, like, who Jeffrey Epstein was. 179 00:10:13,743 --> 00:10:15,962 I didn't know anything when I went with her that day. 180 00:10:16,049 --> 00:10:18,225 I had only met Jeffrey pretty briefly 181 00:10:18,312 --> 00:10:20,967 before someone was sent to our room 182 00:10:21,098 --> 00:10:24,536 to, uh, bring us there for a massage. 183 00:10:24,667 --> 00:10:27,017 And so I just thought, OK, well, it's kind of weird, 184 00:10:27,147 --> 00:10:29,149 but I trust the girl that brought me. 185 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,412 So, um, yeah, we went to his room, 186 00:10:31,543 --> 00:10:34,677 and I realized at the time that the girl that brought me there, 187 00:10:34,807 --> 00:10:35,939 she had done this before, 188 00:10:36,069 --> 00:10:37,288 so she was very comfortable, 189 00:10:37,418 --> 00:10:38,724 and she was massaging him, 190 00:10:38,855 --> 00:10:40,900 and I kind of just took her lead. 191 00:10:41,031 --> 00:10:45,078 And then, um... 192 00:10:45,209 --> 00:10:48,038 pretty quickly afterwards, you know, 193 00:10:48,125 --> 00:10:51,737 is when Jeffrey, um, 194 00:10:51,868 --> 00:10:53,739 started touching me inappropriately, 195 00:10:53,870 --> 00:10:58,657 and that's, like, when the abuse happened, um... 196 00:10:58,788 --> 00:11:01,225 I was really confused about what happened. 197 00:11:01,355 --> 00:11:02,835 I just, like, realized 198 00:11:02,966 --> 00:11:04,663 maybe that's why she brought me there, 199 00:11:04,794 --> 00:11:06,926 was kind of to lure me to him, 200 00:11:07,057 --> 00:11:10,364 and she was the one who got paid for bringing me. 201 00:11:10,495 --> 00:11:14,107 She made it seem like it was like no big deal at all. 202 00:11:14,238 --> 00:11:16,675 It was hard for me to deal with it for many years after that. 203 00:11:16,806 --> 00:11:20,331 And then hearing so many other women had the exact same story 204 00:11:20,461 --> 00:11:22,855 of another young person, another young woman, 205 00:11:22,986 --> 00:11:27,033 bringing them to Jeffrey for a massage, 206 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,296 but then getting sexually abused. 207 00:11:29,427 --> 00:11:31,646 And every time I hear it, I'm just like thinking, 208 00:11:31,777 --> 00:11:34,737 "That was me, that was me." 209 00:11:36,869 --> 00:11:40,003 I'm headed to the Ghislaine Maxwell trial. 210 00:11:40,133 --> 00:11:42,832 This is just like another step for me 211 00:11:42,962 --> 00:11:46,618 just to realize and kind of move on and heal. 212 00:11:54,147 --> 00:11:56,671 This whole nightmare never would have happened 213 00:11:56,802 --> 00:11:58,717 if it wasn't for Ghislaine. 214 00:11:58,848 --> 00:12:02,155 The woman who brought me to Jeffrey's island 215 00:12:02,286 --> 00:12:04,592 was recruited by her. 216 00:12:04,723 --> 00:12:08,292 There were so many people that she brought 217 00:12:08,422 --> 00:12:11,686 that brought others, that brought others, 218 00:12:11,817 --> 00:12:16,430 so it was just all these, like, layers. 219 00:12:16,561 --> 00:12:18,781 It's scary that I fit into that story somehow. 220 00:12:20,870 --> 00:12:23,829 [Boies] That's the way pyramid schemes work. 221 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:28,138 That's the way enterprises of this scope and scale work. 222 00:12:28,268 --> 00:12:32,533 That was part of the power, 223 00:12:32,664 --> 00:12:37,364 part of the reason why it was able to recruit 224 00:12:37,495 --> 00:12:41,194 not just a handful of young girls, 225 00:12:41,325 --> 00:12:44,328 but dozens, hundreds of young girls. 226 00:12:46,460 --> 00:12:50,638 There was no one else in the pyramid 227 00:12:50,725 --> 00:12:52,858 who had her position. 228 00:12:52,989 --> 00:12:57,471 No one else who had her wealth, her status. 229 00:12:57,602 --> 00:13:00,997 No one else did Epstein give $30 million to. 230 00:13:01,127 --> 00:13:06,219 So if you put Epstein at the top of the pyramid, 231 00:13:06,350 --> 00:13:10,049 Maxwell's right next to him. 232 00:13:10,180 --> 00:13:12,095 And the only question is, 233 00:13:12,225 --> 00:13:16,099 is she right next to him at the same level, 234 00:13:16,229 --> 00:13:17,927 or is she right next to him 235 00:13:18,057 --> 00:13:21,452 at the level immediately below him? 236 00:13:21,582 --> 00:13:24,672 [reporter] Jeffrey Epstein's personal 727 aircraft 237 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:28,328 arrived at PBIA from Newark at 5 p.m. 238 00:13:28,459 --> 00:13:30,635 The investor, traveling with a small entourage, 239 00:13:30,765 --> 00:13:32,855 was met at the private Galaxy Aviation. 240 00:13:40,558 --> 00:13:43,300 Jeffrey Epstein went to jail just before ten this morning. 241 00:13:43,430 --> 00:13:45,302 He pleaded guilty in open court. 242 00:13:45,389 --> 00:13:47,043 He agreed to serve a total of 18 months 243 00:13:47,173 --> 00:13:48,914 in a Palm Beach detention facility, 244 00:13:49,001 --> 00:13:51,830 12 for felony solicitation of prostitutes, 245 00:13:51,961 --> 00:13:55,921 and an additional six for procuring persons under 18 for prostitution. 246 00:13:56,052 --> 00:13:59,098 The guilty plea and deal end a years-long process 247 00:13:59,229 --> 00:14:02,406 that could have sent Epstein to jail for 15 years. 248 00:14:02,536 --> 00:14:04,887 I couldn't believe that he got the sweetheart deal. 249 00:14:05,017 --> 00:14:06,584 The federal government interviewed 250 00:14:06,714 --> 00:14:08,455 at least 40 young girls, 251 00:14:08,542 --> 00:14:10,980 but, for some reason, the government decided 252 00:14:11,110 --> 00:14:13,460 that they were gonna use one case 253 00:14:13,591 --> 00:14:15,854 as the case that they would convict him of. 254 00:14:15,985 --> 00:14:17,073 They're letting him out during the day 255 00:14:17,203 --> 00:14:18,683 to walk around and have lunch, 256 00:14:18,813 --> 00:14:20,772 and have massages at his office. 257 00:14:20,903 --> 00:14:22,513 He got out after only one year. 258 00:14:22,643 --> 00:14:24,907 [reporter] A few steps, a smile, 259 00:14:25,037 --> 00:14:27,431 and a wave to the deputy at the door. 260 00:14:27,561 --> 00:14:29,781 We watched Jeffrey Epstein walk out of jail, 261 00:14:29,912 --> 00:14:32,305 but only his attorneys heard from him. 262 00:14:32,392 --> 00:14:34,133 He's very happy that his jail sentence is over 263 00:14:34,264 --> 00:14:36,962 and uh, he can begin a new chapter in his life. 264 00:14:37,093 --> 00:14:39,617 [Kuvin] They entered into what's called 265 00:14:39,747 --> 00:14:41,706 a non-prosecution agreement. 266 00:14:41,836 --> 00:14:44,100 That prevented any further prosecution 267 00:14:44,230 --> 00:14:45,928 of not just Jeffrey Epstein, 268 00:14:46,058 --> 00:14:48,365 but also any others 269 00:14:48,495 --> 00:14:50,280 who may have been involved. 270 00:14:52,412 --> 00:14:55,024 Maxwell is not mentioned, 271 00:14:55,111 --> 00:14:58,114 and we have to assume that that was intentional. 272 00:14:58,244 --> 00:15:01,160 Jeffery probably told her, "Just disappear, 273 00:15:01,291 --> 00:15:03,728 go away, stay away from all of this, 274 00:15:03,858 --> 00:15:07,906 and don't worry about it, I'll take care of it." 275 00:15:08,037 --> 00:15:12,650 [Boies] The non-prosecution agreement was a corrupt agreement, 276 00:15:12,780 --> 00:15:15,914 and it should never have let 277 00:15:16,045 --> 00:15:18,612 people like Maxwell walk. 278 00:15:18,743 --> 00:15:20,832 I think it led 279 00:15:20,963 --> 00:15:25,924 to a sense of invulnerability, 280 00:15:26,055 --> 00:15:28,405 uh, it- it led to a sense of confidence, 281 00:15:28,535 --> 00:15:32,365 that having beat that, she was free. 282 00:15:43,463 --> 00:15:47,076 [ticking] 283 00:15:50,557 --> 00:15:53,430 If the United Nations create 284 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,736 a stand-alone ocean development goal, 285 00:15:55,867 --> 00:15:57,521 that is a needle mover. 286 00:15:57,608 --> 00:16:00,698 That will make new laws, new governance, 287 00:16:00,828 --> 00:16:03,048 and a new way at looking at the ocean, 288 00:16:03,179 --> 00:16:05,137 and that is what will change the world. 289 00:16:05,268 --> 00:16:06,008 Thank you. 290 00:16:16,540 --> 00:16:18,281 So how does it... does it all look? Is my hair good? 291 00:16:18,411 --> 00:16:20,979 Do I...? It's all good? [laughs] 292 00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:23,721 [woman] All right, we're rolling. 293 00:16:23,851 --> 00:16:26,245 [woman 2] Ghislaine, you've been a philanthropist your whole career. 294 00:16:26,376 --> 00:16:29,031 Tell us about your idea and how global citizens 295 00:16:29,161 --> 00:16:31,250 can save our common oceans. 296 00:16:31,381 --> 00:16:33,470 The ocean is absolutely vital 297 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,081 to all planetary life systems. 298 00:16:36,212 --> 00:16:38,388 I call it the blue heart of the planet. 299 00:16:43,436 --> 00:16:48,572 I met Ghislaine at a party at the Four Seasons restaurant. 300 00:16:48,702 --> 00:16:51,444 There was a lot of major celebrities there, 301 00:16:51,575 --> 00:16:53,751 a lot of air kissing going on. 302 00:16:53,881 --> 00:16:55,883 She knew a lot of people there. 303 00:16:56,013 --> 00:16:58,451 I thought she was utterly charming. 304 00:16:58,582 --> 00:17:01,063 I had no clue, um, 305 00:17:01,193 --> 00:17:03,326 that she was involved in any of these things. 306 00:17:03,455 --> 00:17:05,328 The thing that she talked about the most 307 00:17:05,458 --> 00:17:07,460 was, of course, the ocean. 308 00:17:07,590 --> 00:17:11,943 I mean, in many ways, the ocean became like her baby. 309 00:17:12,074 --> 00:17:15,860 Your excellencies, presidents, lords, ladies and gentlemen, 310 00:17:15,990 --> 00:17:18,254 um, I just would like to thank you so much, 311 00:17:18,384 --> 00:17:20,343 and it's such a honor to be here. 312 00:17:20,473 --> 00:17:22,562 Who doesn't wanna have a clean ocean? 313 00:17:22,693 --> 00:17:25,478 I mean, it's, you know, it's kind of a worthy project. 314 00:17:25,609 --> 00:17:27,132 [Ghislaine] All you're signing is that you want the ocean 315 00:17:27,263 --> 00:17:28,960 to be sustainably managed. 316 00:17:29,091 --> 00:17:31,441 And that is the message we're bringing here. Thank you. 317 00:17:31,571 --> 00:17:32,355 [man] Thank you. 318 00:17:35,445 --> 00:17:38,883 At the end of the night, the party's breaking up, 319 00:17:39,013 --> 00:17:42,278 and she asked me, "Can you give me a lift home?" 320 00:17:42,365 --> 00:17:44,280 I drove her home and dropped her off 321 00:17:44,410 --> 00:17:46,108 in front of her townhouse. 322 00:17:46,238 --> 00:17:49,459 And then she made this astonishing offer. 323 00:17:49,589 --> 00:17:53,898 She says to me, uh, "If you come in and fuck me, 324 00:17:54,028 --> 00:17:56,553 I will tell you the secrets of my father." 325 00:17:57,771 --> 00:18:00,557 I was completely speechless, 326 00:18:00,644 --> 00:18:02,950 and I came up with a very lame excuse 327 00:18:03,081 --> 00:18:05,910 that I needed to go home and walk the dog. 328 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,392 And she knew it was a kind of a BS excuse, 329 00:18:09,479 --> 00:18:12,395 but she gave me a kiss on the cheek and she said, 330 00:18:12,525 --> 00:18:14,484 uh, you know, "Hope to see you soon." 331 00:18:14,614 --> 00:18:16,834 It's kind of like, by day, 332 00:18:16,964 --> 00:18:19,793 she's very, very involved 333 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:24,058 in trying to save the oceans uh, and- and fix the world, 334 00:18:24,189 --> 00:18:28,367 but by night, it's like turning into Dracula or something. 335 00:18:28,498 --> 00:18:30,456 It was like a switch. 336 00:18:32,284 --> 00:18:35,766 [Celhia de Lavarene] I just came back from uh, Haiti, 337 00:18:35,896 --> 00:18:40,074 where children are trafficked for sex. 338 00:18:40,205 --> 00:18:44,209 And I wanted to open uh, a safe uh, haven, 339 00:18:44,340 --> 00:18:47,647 if we can say, to help those kids. 340 00:18:47,778 --> 00:18:52,261 And my friend decided to have a fundraising event for that. 341 00:18:52,348 --> 00:18:55,742 I hear that uh, Ghislaine Maxwell came. 342 00:18:55,873 --> 00:18:58,745 I don't know why she was in the picture. 343 00:18:58,832 --> 00:19:01,835 I didn't even know who she was. 344 00:19:01,966 --> 00:19:05,535 I guess it's because the French ambassador was there 345 00:19:05,665 --> 00:19:07,537 and she wanted to look good. 346 00:19:07,667 --> 00:19:11,410 She was in the picture and then she left. 347 00:19:11,541 --> 00:19:14,283 I know one thing. 348 00:19:14,413 --> 00:19:21,115 That woman you're talking about, uh, Maxwell, did not give a cent. 349 00:19:21,203 --> 00:19:25,598 [Boies] The way she was able to manipulate the media 350 00:19:25,729 --> 00:19:29,385 to think of her as a, quote, environmentalist, 351 00:19:29,515 --> 00:19:33,476 um, as opposed to a sex trafficker, 352 00:19:33,606 --> 00:19:36,609 um, probably continued to contribute 353 00:19:36,740 --> 00:19:41,092 to her sense of being above the law, of being invulnerable. 354 00:19:41,223 --> 00:19:43,225 I think it led her 355 00:19:43,355 --> 00:19:46,532 to be perhaps careless. 356 00:19:46,663 --> 00:19:50,057 It may have contributed to her ultimate undoing. 357 00:19:55,759 --> 00:19:58,414 [reporter] Emotions running high in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial. 358 00:19:58,544 --> 00:20:01,417 A tearful accuser said she was 14 359 00:20:01,547 --> 00:20:04,898 when Maxwell told her she had a great body 360 00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:07,553 for Jeffrey Epstein and his friends. 361 00:20:09,468 --> 00:20:12,384 We're up to our third accuser, and her name is Carolyn. 362 00:20:12,515 --> 00:20:15,474 She is testifying under her first name, 363 00:20:15,605 --> 00:20:20,044 and she is the second accuser to allege that Ghislaine Maxwell 364 00:20:20,131 --> 00:20:23,700 had fondled her breasts when she was 14 years old. 365 00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:26,529 She said she was brought into Epstein's orbit 366 00:20:26,659 --> 00:20:29,140 via Virginia Giuffre, Roberts, 367 00:20:29,271 --> 00:20:32,012 who was a- a very key figure 368 00:20:32,099 --> 00:20:34,798 in the whole Ghislaine Maxwell saga. 369 00:20:36,974 --> 00:20:41,021 Virginia was one of the first people, if not the first person, 370 00:20:41,152 --> 00:20:44,111 to come forward with the evidence 371 00:20:44,242 --> 00:20:47,463 that not only were Epstein and Maxwell 372 00:20:47,593 --> 00:20:49,769 abusing young women themselves, 373 00:20:49,900 --> 00:20:51,771 but they were actually trafficking 374 00:20:51,902 --> 00:20:53,469 young women to other men. 375 00:20:55,122 --> 00:20:58,038 The highest profile person 376 00:20:58,125 --> 00:21:01,128 that uh, Virginia uh, identified 377 00:21:01,259 --> 00:21:04,523 as someone to whom she was trafficked 378 00:21:04,610 --> 00:21:08,222 by Epstein and Maxwell was Prince Andrew. 379 00:21:22,976 --> 00:21:25,762 Ghislaine woke me up in the morning, excited, 380 00:21:25,892 --> 00:21:28,547 and she said, "You're gonna meet a prince today." 381 00:21:28,678 --> 00:21:30,810 Ghislaine said, "He's coming back to the house, 382 00:21:30,897 --> 00:21:33,987 and I want you to do for him what you do for Epstein." 383 00:21:34,118 --> 00:21:37,991 The abuse went on for a little bit in the bathroom, 384 00:21:38,122 --> 00:21:39,645 and then it continued to the bedroom, 385 00:21:39,776 --> 00:21:43,127 and he wasn't rude or anything about it, 386 00:21:43,257 --> 00:21:45,085 he said, you know, thank you. 387 00:21:47,305 --> 00:21:51,135 [Boies] My first reaction was did this really happen? 388 00:21:51,265 --> 00:21:53,442 You know, is it- is it really true? 389 00:21:53,529 --> 00:21:56,836 To hear that... 390 00:21:58,447 --> 00:22:01,537 a member of the royal family, 391 00:22:01,667 --> 00:22:03,539 a prince of England, uh, 392 00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:07,673 was engaged in that conduct, um, 393 00:22:07,804 --> 00:22:10,154 was- was something that I found surprising, 394 00:22:10,284 --> 00:22:12,765 uh, shocking, disturbing. 395 00:22:12,896 --> 00:22:15,768 Sex trafficking tends to be something that you associate 396 00:22:15,899 --> 00:22:17,814 with Third World countries. 397 00:22:17,944 --> 00:22:19,990 It's not something that you think happens 398 00:22:20,120 --> 00:22:22,471 in the United States, in the United Kingdom. 399 00:22:29,434 --> 00:22:32,306 She said she had sex with you three times. 400 00:22:32,394 --> 00:22:35,353 Once in a London house when she was trafficked to you. 401 00:22:35,484 --> 00:22:36,833 -In Maxwell's house. -Yes. 402 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,704 Once in New York, 403 00:22:38,835 --> 00:22:41,272 a month or so later, at Epstein's mansion. 404 00:22:41,403 --> 00:22:43,840 And once on his private island 405 00:22:43,970 --> 00:22:46,538 in a group of seven or eight other girls. 406 00:22:49,106 --> 00:22:50,281 No. 407 00:22:50,934 --> 00:22:52,805 She says she dined with you, 408 00:22:52,892 --> 00:22:56,069 danced with you at Tramp nightclub in London. 409 00:22:56,156 --> 00:23:00,204 She went on to have sex with you in a house in Belgravia 410 00:23:00,334 --> 00:23:03,076 belonging to Ghislaine Maxwell, your friend. 411 00:23:03,163 --> 00:23:04,121 Your response? 412 00:23:04,251 --> 00:23:05,949 I have no recollection 413 00:23:06,079 --> 00:23:08,386 of ever meeting this lady. 414 00:23:10,954 --> 00:23:13,652 [McCawley] I talked to my partner, David Boies, 415 00:23:13,783 --> 00:23:16,916 and he said, "I have this new case that's come in 416 00:23:17,047 --> 00:23:18,788 that I think really is suited for you 417 00:23:18,918 --> 00:23:22,226 because of the work you've done um, in foster care 418 00:23:22,356 --> 00:23:25,534 and with sex trafficking victims." 419 00:23:25,664 --> 00:23:29,233 I went to New York and I met with Virginia, 420 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,757 and within moments of that meeting, 421 00:23:31,888 --> 00:23:36,022 my life really turned upside down in many ways. 422 00:23:36,153 --> 00:23:38,938 Virginia made public that Maxwell had been involved 423 00:23:39,069 --> 00:23:41,332 at the head of the sex trafficking scheme 424 00:23:41,419 --> 00:23:43,421 along with Epstein. 425 00:23:43,508 --> 00:23:45,336 [reporter] Can I ask you about the- the- all the allegations 426 00:23:45,467 --> 00:23:46,598 that have come out, Ghislaine? 427 00:23:48,992 --> 00:23:50,863 Have you got no comment at all? 428 00:23:50,994 --> 00:23:53,431 I've made a statement. Thank you. 429 00:23:53,562 --> 00:23:57,043 Then Maxwell came forward and made the statement 430 00:23:57,174 --> 00:24:01,221 that Virginia's claims were, quote, obvious lies. 431 00:24:01,352 --> 00:24:04,094 That gave us the hook to be able to sue Maxwell for defamation, 432 00:24:04,224 --> 00:24:06,270 and that really started the journey 433 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,273 in being able to hold Maxwell accountable 434 00:24:09,403 --> 00:24:11,188 for the crimes she committed. 435 00:24:11,318 --> 00:24:15,453 We were a tight female team, and we just dug into it. 436 00:24:15,584 --> 00:24:17,455 We pieced together the flight logs 437 00:24:17,586 --> 00:24:19,544 in a way that no one ever had before, 438 00:24:19,675 --> 00:24:21,415 to really map that out 439 00:24:21,503 --> 00:24:24,506 and understand the trafficking scheme as a whole. 440 00:24:24,636 --> 00:24:26,333 We had the police reports 441 00:24:26,464 --> 00:24:30,163 from the 2005 investigation in Florida 442 00:24:30,250 --> 00:24:32,905 that showed Maxwell at the centerpiece of this, 443 00:24:32,992 --> 00:24:35,734 helping arrange the girls, being very active there, 444 00:24:35,821 --> 00:24:37,954 despite her claims that she was not. 445 00:24:38,084 --> 00:24:40,957 We spoke to many, many survivors 446 00:24:41,087 --> 00:24:43,307 of Epstein and Maxwell's abuse. 447 00:24:43,437 --> 00:24:46,353 Some of those survivors uh, would say, 448 00:24:46,484 --> 00:24:48,573 "I-I can't give you any information. I'm too scared." 449 00:24:48,704 --> 00:24:51,358 It was a very scary time period. 450 00:24:51,489 --> 00:24:55,537 I myself had threats and I was scared at times. 451 00:24:55,667 --> 00:24:59,236 I also had people following me. 452 00:24:59,366 --> 00:25:01,891 As you can imagine, there are incredibly powerful people 453 00:25:02,021 --> 00:25:05,372 who are involved in this sex trafficking scheme. 454 00:25:05,503 --> 00:25:06,591 They certainly didn't like 455 00:25:06,722 --> 00:25:08,767 that I was turning over stones, 456 00:25:08,898 --> 00:25:10,552 finding out more information. 457 00:25:19,822 --> 00:25:21,737 Maxwell's deposition is significant 458 00:25:21,867 --> 00:25:24,609 because it's really the only document we have 459 00:25:24,740 --> 00:25:27,743 that shows testimony she has given 460 00:25:27,873 --> 00:25:30,963 about the sexual trafficking scheme. 461 00:25:31,094 --> 00:25:33,400 One of the things that stood out to me right away 462 00:25:33,531 --> 00:25:37,622 was how obstructionist Maxwell was going to be. 463 00:25:37,753 --> 00:25:40,190 I asked her a- a pretty simple question, 464 00:25:40,277 --> 00:25:43,367 "So, Miss Maxwell, when did you first recruit a female 465 00:25:43,497 --> 00:25:45,543 to work for Mr. Epstein?" 466 00:25:45,674 --> 00:25:49,242 She said, "I don't understand what you mean by female." 467 00:25:49,373 --> 00:25:51,767 "I don't understand what you mean by recruit." 468 00:25:51,897 --> 00:25:54,204 "Please be more specific and clear." 469 00:25:54,334 --> 00:25:58,121 So that just shows you how difficult 470 00:25:58,208 --> 00:26:00,427 she was willing to make that deposition, 471 00:26:00,558 --> 00:26:03,430 how she was going to stop at nothing 472 00:26:03,561 --> 00:26:06,303 to um, not give information. 473 00:26:06,433 --> 00:26:08,044 Maxwell definitely had an air of entitlement, 474 00:26:08,174 --> 00:26:10,481 is the best way I can describe it. 475 00:26:10,568 --> 00:26:12,788 "How dare you bring me into a conference room 476 00:26:12,918 --> 00:26:14,441 and ask me questions." 477 00:26:14,528 --> 00:26:17,140 "I know presidents. I know princes, 478 00:26:17,270 --> 00:26:18,707 and I should not be bothered 479 00:26:18,837 --> 00:26:21,187 with these kinds of allegations." 480 00:26:21,318 --> 00:26:24,321 There was another significant moment in the deposition 481 00:26:24,451 --> 00:26:28,107 where she actually gets so frustrated with me and so angry 482 00:26:28,238 --> 00:26:31,894 that she slams her fist on my conference room table, 483 00:26:32,024 --> 00:26:33,852 causing my court reporter's 484 00:26:33,983 --> 00:26:36,333 uh, stenographer machine to fall over. 485 00:26:36,463 --> 00:26:38,465 And my court reporter looked at me 486 00:26:38,596 --> 00:26:39,902 and said, "I'm so scared." 487 00:26:40,032 --> 00:26:42,121 In that moment, I realized 488 00:26:42,208 --> 00:26:45,037 what the women that I represent have gone through, 489 00:26:45,124 --> 00:26:47,605 and to- to see how willing she was 490 00:26:47,736 --> 00:26:49,041 to come forward in that environment 491 00:26:49,172 --> 00:26:51,870 and attack at this level 492 00:26:52,001 --> 00:26:56,048 um, just confirmed everything that I knew about her. 493 00:26:56,179 --> 00:27:00,618 In the final analysis, they paid a lot of money to resolve it. 494 00:27:00,749 --> 00:27:03,447 The result of the defamation case 495 00:27:03,577 --> 00:27:05,275 was very important to Virginia, 496 00:27:05,362 --> 00:27:09,105 not only because of the economic security it gave her, 497 00:27:09,235 --> 00:27:11,760 but also it was a vindication. 498 00:27:11,847 --> 00:27:15,241 Remember, she had been accused by Maxwell 499 00:27:15,372 --> 00:27:17,026 of making this all up. 500 00:27:17,156 --> 00:27:19,985 I sometimes felt angry 501 00:27:20,116 --> 00:27:23,685 at the way she dismissed 502 00:27:23,772 --> 00:27:26,078 the victims of the sex trafficking, 503 00:27:26,209 --> 00:27:30,909 but there were times when I-I felt sorry for her too. 504 00:27:30,996 --> 00:27:33,433 You know, I tried to understand 505 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:39,483 what led somebody to do these things. 506 00:27:39,570 --> 00:27:42,007 I would never describe her as a victim, 507 00:27:43,661 --> 00:27:45,663 but I would describe her 508 00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:50,973 as a damaged human being, 509 00:27:51,103 --> 00:27:54,672 and what caused that damage, I don't know. 510 00:27:54,803 --> 00:27:57,327 I've never been able to understand 511 00:27:57,457 --> 00:28:01,331 why after our civil litigation was resolved, 512 00:28:01,461 --> 00:28:05,335 Maxwell did not go to the prosecutors 513 00:28:05,422 --> 00:28:07,163 and try to do a deal. 514 00:28:07,293 --> 00:28:08,947 She could have given them Epstein. 515 00:28:09,078 --> 00:28:10,906 Now, maybe she was just still 516 00:28:11,036 --> 00:28:15,954 too under Epstein's sway, 517 00:28:16,085 --> 00:28:19,262 but she somehow almost seemed 518 00:28:19,392 --> 00:28:22,265 to put that out of her mind 519 00:28:22,395 --> 00:28:26,312 and go forward uh, as is- as if it didn't happen. 520 00:28:26,443 --> 00:28:30,360 She should have known that her days were numbered. 521 00:28:38,498 --> 00:28:42,807 [Anne McElvoy] She started to turn up more again in London 522 00:28:42,938 --> 00:28:45,592 in the late 20 teens. 523 00:28:45,723 --> 00:28:48,160 I felt that was probably quite shrewd 524 00:28:48,291 --> 00:28:50,423 and strategic on her part, 525 00:28:50,554 --> 00:28:53,078 that she wanted something that was away 526 00:28:53,165 --> 00:28:54,906 from the whole Epstein story. 527 00:28:55,037 --> 00:28:57,779 I think probably also she wanted to know 528 00:28:57,909 --> 00:29:00,869 if London was still talking to her. 529 00:29:00,999 --> 00:29:04,133 Things were clearly still unraveling at a- at a rate, 530 00:29:04,263 --> 00:29:08,180 of which I certainly was not aware at the time. 531 00:29:08,311 --> 00:29:10,356 You would never be able to tell, 532 00:29:10,487 --> 00:29:12,010 if you met Ghislaine Maxwell, what was going on. 533 00:29:12,141 --> 00:29:14,491 I mean, it was always the same smooth, 534 00:29:14,621 --> 00:29:16,667 ocean-going confidence. 535 00:29:16,798 --> 00:29:18,669 I met her uh, through friends 536 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,629 who'd brought her to a party that we were at. 537 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,807 We talked about our Oxford years. 538 00:29:25,937 --> 00:29:28,331 And she said "It was a great time, wasn't it?" 539 00:29:28,461 --> 00:29:30,376 And I said, "Yeah, it was a great time." 540 00:29:30,507 --> 00:29:33,162 And she said, "Yes, it's... it's sad, isn't it, 541 00:29:33,292 --> 00:29:35,599 how things turn out?" 542 00:29:40,517 --> 00:29:42,127 [newsreader] A judge ruled this afternoon 543 00:29:42,214 --> 00:29:44,651 that federal prosecutors broke the law 544 00:29:44,782 --> 00:29:47,829 when they signed a plea agreement with Jeffrey Epstein. 545 00:29:47,959 --> 00:29:49,526 That's because the agreement was hidden 546 00:29:49,656 --> 00:29:51,876 from 30 of his underage victims. 547 00:29:52,007 --> 00:29:53,660 The case received renewed attention 548 00:29:53,791 --> 00:29:55,488 after theMiami Herald published 549 00:29:55,619 --> 00:29:57,751 a lengthy investigation into the plea deal. 550 00:30:08,762 --> 00:30:12,027 [Christina Oxenberg] January 2019, 551 00:30:12,157 --> 00:30:15,465 oddly enough she likes, 552 00:30:15,552 --> 00:30:18,860 clicks "like", on an Instagram post of mine. 553 00:30:18,947 --> 00:30:21,645 And her timing was pretty appalling 554 00:30:21,775 --> 00:30:23,908 because by now I know everything, 555 00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:27,303 and I'm furious, I'm appalled, 556 00:30:27,390 --> 00:30:29,435 I'm disgusted. 557 00:30:29,522 --> 00:30:31,916 Because 20 years ago, 558 00:30:32,047 --> 00:30:35,833 Ghislaine told me that she recruits three girls a day, 559 00:30:35,964 --> 00:30:39,228 but she was using the word "girls." 560 00:30:39,358 --> 00:30:42,361 I literally just thought she was just talking about 561 00:30:42,492 --> 00:30:44,929 human beings, women. 562 00:30:45,060 --> 00:30:48,454 In that article, I see all of that, 563 00:30:48,585 --> 00:30:52,850 and I'm horrified... 564 00:30:52,981 --> 00:30:55,722 that she was talking about children. 565 00:30:55,853 --> 00:30:57,594 We had been discussing children. 566 00:30:57,724 --> 00:31:00,727 It was hard to take on, um... 567 00:31:00,858 --> 00:31:03,513 on a lot of levels, because, um... 568 00:31:04,818 --> 00:31:08,170 I felt responsible, in a way, 569 00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:09,911 that I had known information 570 00:31:13,392 --> 00:31:16,134 that could have maybe made a difference. 571 00:31:16,265 --> 00:31:19,311 And, um, I felt sick. 572 00:31:19,442 --> 00:31:22,097 I was disgusted with her. 573 00:31:22,227 --> 00:31:26,710 I felt I had let humanity down. 574 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,148 And yet I didn't know what I didn't know. 575 00:31:39,027 --> 00:31:41,638 The billionaire American financier Jeffrey Epstein 576 00:31:41,768 --> 00:31:44,380 has been formally charged with the sex trafficking 577 00:31:44,510 --> 00:31:47,644 of dozens of underage teenage girls. 578 00:31:47,774 --> 00:31:51,561 The alleged behavior shocks the conscience. 579 00:31:51,691 --> 00:31:56,174 And while the charge conduct is from a number of years ago, 580 00:31:56,261 --> 00:31:58,263 it is still profoundly important 581 00:31:58,350 --> 00:32:02,659 to the many alleged victims, now young women. 582 00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:06,402 They deserve their day in court. 583 00:32:06,532 --> 00:32:08,534 [McCawley] This is a great day for victims, 584 00:32:08,665 --> 00:32:12,843 and I am humbled and inspired by their voices. 585 00:32:12,974 --> 00:32:15,237 Our clients are extremely gratified 586 00:32:15,367 --> 00:32:18,022 that these charges have finally been brought. 587 00:32:22,722 --> 00:32:27,249 [reporter] Jeffrey Epstein found dead in an apparent suicide. 588 00:32:27,336 --> 00:32:29,816 The financier, arrested on charges 589 00:32:29,903 --> 00:32:31,862 that he ran a sex trafficking ring, 590 00:32:31,993 --> 00:32:34,821 apparently killed himself today in prison. 591 00:32:34,908 --> 00:32:37,041 [reporter] He took the easy way out, 592 00:32:37,128 --> 00:32:38,608 not having to face justice, 593 00:32:38,738 --> 00:32:41,002 not having to face the victims, 594 00:32:41,089 --> 00:32:42,916 And now it's entirely possible this entire- this entire thing 595 00:32:43,047 --> 00:32:45,223 may be put in a file and never seen again. 596 00:32:47,747 --> 00:32:50,924 [Helm] I had plugged my phone in to charge, 597 00:32:51,055 --> 00:32:52,709 and when I plugged it in, I accidentally had swiped it 598 00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:54,493 to, like, the news thing. 599 00:32:54,624 --> 00:32:57,322 Then there was his face. 600 00:32:57,409 --> 00:33:00,891 I looked at this headline, and it read: 601 00:33:01,022 --> 00:33:05,417 "Jeffrey Epstein found in fetal position in jail cell." 602 00:33:05,548 --> 00:33:07,941 I was shaking, you know. 603 00:33:08,072 --> 00:33:10,683 My heart was racing. I was scared. 604 00:33:10,814 --> 00:33:12,555 I was... I was crying. 605 00:33:12,685 --> 00:33:15,906 I... I didn't know what to do. 606 00:33:16,037 --> 00:33:18,169 I had spent 17 years 607 00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:22,739 replaying all of that countless times. 608 00:33:24,523 --> 00:33:29,267 And I had spent 17 years... 609 00:33:32,053 --> 00:33:36,405 keeping that in a very, very tightly sealed, 610 00:33:36,535 --> 00:33:40,496 buttoned-up space of shame. 611 00:33:40,583 --> 00:33:45,153 It was like a re-traumatization all over again. 612 00:33:45,283 --> 00:33:47,111 It was... 613 00:33:47,198 --> 00:33:51,637 The world, you know, shifted. 614 00:33:51,768 --> 00:33:54,422 But I knew, that was that moment that I was, like, 615 00:33:54,553 --> 00:34:00,081 "You are not gonna sit here anymore and stay silent." 616 00:34:03,780 --> 00:34:06,913 "It's not how Jeffrey died, but it's how he lived, 617 00:34:07,043 --> 00:34:09,699 and we need to get to the bottom 618 00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:12,614 of everybody who was involved with that, 619 00:34:12,745 --> 00:34:14,268 starting with Ghislaine Maxwell. 620 00:34:14,399 --> 00:34:17,402 I went to New York City 621 00:34:17,533 --> 00:34:20,143 and spoke in federal court 622 00:34:20,275 --> 00:34:23,234 in August of 2019. 623 00:34:23,364 --> 00:34:26,585 I said, "Ghislaine Maxwell needs to be held accountable 624 00:34:26,672 --> 00:34:30,676 because she's what got me there." 625 00:34:30,806 --> 00:34:34,505 She groomed me to walk myself 626 00:34:34,637 --> 00:34:36,856 to the home of a predator willingly. 627 00:34:36,987 --> 00:34:39,120 If it were not for her, 628 00:34:39,250 --> 00:34:42,949 I would not have been abused. 629 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,908 Jeffrey Epstein may be dead, 630 00:34:45,038 --> 00:34:49,869 but the investigation continues into his web of abuse. 631 00:34:49,956 --> 00:34:52,002 According to new reports, 632 00:34:52,089 --> 00:34:54,744 the FBI has launched an investigation 633 00:34:54,874 --> 00:34:57,529 of the British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell. 634 00:34:57,660 --> 00:34:59,314 The big question, Lady Victoria, now 635 00:34:59,444 --> 00:35:01,620 is where is Ghislaine Maxwell? 636 00:35:01,707 --> 00:35:04,449 You knew her well. When did you last have any contact with her? 637 00:35:04,580 --> 00:35:09,106 I haven't seen her since September last year. 638 00:35:09,237 --> 00:35:12,196 Um, I don't think we'll... you're gonna... 639 00:35:12,283 --> 00:35:13,545 No one's gonna find her. 640 00:35:13,676 --> 00:35:15,808 [ticking] 641 00:35:19,464 --> 00:35:22,554 [reporter] For months, prosecutors say Ghislaine Maxwell hid away 642 00:35:22,685 --> 00:35:24,382 in this New Hampshire mansion. 643 00:35:24,513 --> 00:35:28,256 But Thursday, FBI agents moved in. 644 00:35:28,343 --> 00:35:29,909 [woman] Good morning. 645 00:35:29,996 --> 00:35:31,563 Today we announce charges 646 00:35:31,650 --> 00:35:33,739 against Ghislaine Maxwell 647 00:35:33,870 --> 00:35:39,092 for helping Jeffrey Epstein sexually exploit and abuse 648 00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:41,573 multiple minor girls 649 00:35:41,704 --> 00:35:47,057 who were as young as 14 years old. 650 00:35:47,144 --> 00:35:51,017 The moment I got the phone call that Maxwell had been arrested, 651 00:35:51,104 --> 00:35:53,455 I called all of my clients. 652 00:35:53,585 --> 00:35:56,632 I remember crying on the phone with them. 653 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,461 It was around nine o'clock in the morning, 654 00:35:59,591 --> 00:36:02,855 and I got a phone call from my lawyer, 655 00:36:02,986 --> 00:36:07,033 and she let me know that Ghislaine had been arrested. 656 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,212 And... I... It wa... 657 00:36:11,342 --> 00:36:13,649 I mean, it was like a cel... It was a celebration. 658 00:36:13,779 --> 00:36:17,914 I was laughing and crying at the same time. 659 00:36:18,044 --> 00:36:20,482 Today, after many years, 660 00:36:20,612 --> 00:36:24,834 Ghislaine Maxwell finally stands charged 661 00:36:24,964 --> 00:36:27,358 for her role in these crimes. 662 00:36:27,489 --> 00:36:29,186 She had hoped she could be released 663 00:36:29,273 --> 00:36:32,189 to a luxury hotel in New York to wait out the trial, 664 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,887 but ultimately a judge said there were no set of conditions 665 00:36:35,018 --> 00:36:36,846 that could ensure she would not flee, 666 00:36:36,976 --> 00:36:38,587 the risk simply too great. 667 00:36:40,893 --> 00:36:42,852 [reporter] After a life of luxury, 668 00:36:42,982 --> 00:36:45,289 this is now Ghislaine Maxwell's stone-cold reality. 669 00:36:45,376 --> 00:36:48,771 Denied bail, imprisoned in solitary confinement, 670 00:36:48,858 --> 00:36:50,729 and heavily guarded here, 671 00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:52,949 at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, 672 00:36:53,036 --> 00:36:56,039 with her trial at least a year away. 673 00:36:56,169 --> 00:36:59,869 [Maloney] I'm still in a state of shock. 674 00:36:59,999 --> 00:37:02,350 I can't believe that Ghislaine 675 00:37:02,437 --> 00:37:05,744 would have stooped to that level. 676 00:37:05,875 --> 00:37:07,442 I really... 677 00:37:07,572 --> 00:37:09,618 Part of me doesn't want to believe it, 678 00:37:09,748 --> 00:37:12,751 and part of me doesn't believe it. 679 00:37:12,882 --> 00:37:15,232 Not the Ghislaine I knew. 680 00:37:15,363 --> 00:37:20,019 But, then again, a lot can happen in 40 years. 681 00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:21,412 I'm sure that there are many people 682 00:37:21,543 --> 00:37:23,936 who do not view Ghislaine Maxwell 683 00:37:24,067 --> 00:37:26,896 through those lenses of a predator or a monster. 684 00:37:27,026 --> 00:37:31,640 They view her as whatever fun party they attended, 685 00:37:31,770 --> 00:37:35,296 or whatever holiday they attended with her. 686 00:37:35,426 --> 00:37:37,776 She's not walking around 687 00:37:37,907 --> 00:37:40,518 shouting to the world that she was a predator. 688 00:37:40,605 --> 00:37:45,480 She wasn't sharing that at the holiday parties, you know. 689 00:37:45,567 --> 00:37:47,569 So I don't necessarily blame folks 690 00:37:47,699 --> 00:37:51,268 that can't see her that way. 691 00:37:51,399 --> 00:37:55,664 I think that sometimes people have very deep, dark secrets, 692 00:37:55,794 --> 00:37:58,057 and this is a very deep, dark secret 693 00:37:58,188 --> 00:38:00,364 that she carried on, you know. 694 00:38:00,451 --> 00:38:02,888 The unfortunate harsh reality it is 695 00:38:03,019 --> 00:38:05,326 for those that love and care for her. 696 00:38:06,588 --> 00:38:09,112 [ticking] 697 00:38:11,723 --> 00:38:13,246 We're back this morning with the latest 698 00:38:13,334 --> 00:38:15,640 on the Ghislaine Maxwell sex trafficking trial. 699 00:38:15,771 --> 00:38:17,990 She denies all of the charges against her. 700 00:38:18,121 --> 00:38:22,604 [reporter] Three women who say as teenagers they were exploited 701 00:38:22,734 --> 00:38:25,476 have so far given evidence at this trial. 702 00:38:28,305 --> 00:38:31,743 Today began the long anticipated testimony of Annie Farmer, 703 00:38:31,830 --> 00:38:33,745 the only accusing witness 704 00:38:33,832 --> 00:38:36,052 stepping forward against Ghislaine Maxwell 705 00:38:36,182 --> 00:38:37,967 in her real name. 706 00:38:38,097 --> 00:38:41,579 And it began with the prosecution saying, 707 00:38:41,710 --> 00:38:43,494 "Is there anyone in this courtroom 708 00:38:43,625 --> 00:38:45,453 who has ever given you a massage?" 709 00:38:45,583 --> 00:38:49,805 And she said yes and identified the defendant. 710 00:38:49,935 --> 00:38:53,199 She said that she was asked to disrobe 711 00:38:53,330 --> 00:38:57,943 and told to turn around, lying on her back, 712 00:38:58,030 --> 00:39:00,859 that Ghislaine Maxwell pulled down the sheet, 713 00:39:00,990 --> 00:39:04,123 exposing her breast and touching her breast. 714 00:39:06,169 --> 00:39:09,085 It was definitely Ghislaine who asked me first 715 00:39:09,215 --> 00:39:11,304 about my sister Annie. 716 00:39:13,132 --> 00:39:16,745 Because I was always bragging about her to everyone. 717 00:39:16,875 --> 00:39:18,703 I mean, she was my whole world, so I was like, 718 00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:20,792 "Oh, my gosh, my sister's the smartest, 719 00:39:20,923 --> 00:39:23,534 the most beautiful, the most angelic." 720 00:39:23,621 --> 00:39:25,841 And I had definitely bragged about her 721 00:39:25,971 --> 00:39:28,321 to Epstein and to Ghislaine. 722 00:39:28,409 --> 00:39:31,324 This is in 1995. I was in Palm Beach. 723 00:39:31,455 --> 00:39:33,762 And I was sitting outside by the pool, 724 00:39:33,892 --> 00:39:35,372 and Ghislaine was, you know, 725 00:39:35,503 --> 00:39:38,897 leaning on a chaise, and she said, 726 00:39:39,028 --> 00:39:41,683 "Oh, it's too bad Annie's not here with us, you know." 727 00:39:41,813 --> 00:39:43,119 "It would be very nice to have her here." 728 00:39:43,249 --> 00:39:44,773 And I said, "Oh, she would love it." 729 00:39:44,860 --> 00:39:46,949 "She would have so much fun, definitely." 730 00:39:59,222 --> 00:40:03,705 Ghislaine's role with Annie was huge, it- it's everything, 731 00:40:03,835 --> 00:40:09,014 because my mother and everyone believed, 732 00:40:09,145 --> 00:40:11,626 we all believed, that Annie would be safe 733 00:40:11,756 --> 00:40:14,106 with a married couple. 734 00:40:14,237 --> 00:40:16,718 They told my mother that they were married. 735 00:40:16,848 --> 00:40:18,763 They told me they were married, 736 00:40:18,850 --> 00:40:21,026 you know, right when I first started working for them, 737 00:40:21,157 --> 00:40:22,811 but it was to make us feel safe. 738 00:40:22,941 --> 00:40:26,902 Because what woman is gonna attack a child, right? 739 00:40:26,989 --> 00:40:28,773 We didn't know that women did that. 740 00:40:28,904 --> 00:40:32,081 And we didn't understand when we found out 741 00:40:32,211 --> 00:40:34,257 how a woman could participate in this. 742 00:40:34,387 --> 00:40:36,259 It was really the most shocking part. 743 00:40:44,136 --> 00:40:47,096 [Klasfeld] So, after two very brisk weeks of trial, 744 00:40:47,226 --> 00:40:49,315 the government has rested, 745 00:40:49,446 --> 00:40:52,623 and it's rested with this explosive testimony 746 00:40:52,754 --> 00:40:54,669 from Annie Farmer. 747 00:40:54,799 --> 00:40:56,497 The other witnesses were crying 748 00:40:56,627 --> 00:40:59,674 as they recounted these really troubling memories. 749 00:40:59,761 --> 00:41:01,719 With Annie Farmer, it's a different dynamic. 750 00:41:01,806 --> 00:41:04,417 It's the unflappable Annie Farmer. 751 00:41:04,548 --> 00:41:06,724 I did tell Annie that I was very... 752 00:41:06,811 --> 00:41:08,421 I- that I was very proud of her, 753 00:41:08,509 --> 00:41:12,948 that she... that she was so brave. 754 00:41:13,078 --> 00:41:16,821 She did it for everybody, like Virginia and Teresa and myself. 755 00:41:16,952 --> 00:41:19,302 She's just that generous, you know, 756 00:41:19,432 --> 00:41:21,478 that she would be thinking of everyone. 757 00:41:21,609 --> 00:41:24,525 This trial is incredibly important 758 00:41:24,612 --> 00:41:26,657 for everyone who's ever suffered, 759 00:41:26,788 --> 00:41:30,095 I think, any kind of sexual abuse. 760 00:41:30,226 --> 00:41:33,272 I'm concerned, very concerned, if she's released. 761 00:41:33,403 --> 00:41:36,058 Um, if she's not held accountable, 762 00:41:36,188 --> 00:41:39,017 that would be very damaging. 763 00:41:39,148 --> 00:41:43,282 I reported this thing 26 years ago to the federal government. 764 00:41:43,413 --> 00:41:47,896 They nursed it, allowed it to exist very clearly for 26 years. 765 00:41:48,026 --> 00:41:49,680 And it just makes me really mad 766 00:41:49,811 --> 00:41:53,162 that, um, these people are able to get away 767 00:41:53,292 --> 00:41:55,033 with abusing as many people as they do, 768 00:41:55,164 --> 00:41:57,209 'cause you don't recover from those things. 769 00:41:57,296 --> 00:42:00,386 They have all that power, all that credibility, 770 00:42:00,517 --> 00:42:03,825 and Ghislaine gave... lent that credibility to Epstein. 771 00:42:03,955 --> 00:42:05,783 That's what she provided in this charade. 772 00:42:05,914 --> 00:42:07,698 What it did do to me, this experience, 773 00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:09,091 is it took away my trust 774 00:42:09,221 --> 00:42:11,354 in every human being on this earth, 775 00:42:11,484 --> 00:42:13,399 because if you can't trust the people 776 00:42:13,530 --> 00:42:16,881 who are running the whole show, who can you trust? 777 00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:24,585 [Helm] Walking into that courtroom, 778 00:42:24,715 --> 00:42:29,894 my body was shaking, my heart was racing. 779 00:42:30,025 --> 00:42:33,463 Being in the same room with Ghislaine 780 00:42:33,594 --> 00:42:37,467 for the first time in 19 years, 781 00:42:37,598 --> 00:42:42,080 I was overwhelmed physically. 782 00:42:42,211 --> 00:42:45,867 Her and I looked straight at one another. 783 00:42:45,997 --> 00:42:49,740 I didn't look away, not... I didn't blink. 784 00:42:49,871 --> 00:42:51,263 She looked away. 785 00:42:54,702 --> 00:43:00,055 This is me asserting my freedom, and asserting my power, 786 00:43:00,185 --> 00:43:04,537 and taking back what was taken from me. 787 00:43:08,933 --> 00:43:11,283 But I couldn't help but notice, 788 00:43:11,414 --> 00:43:13,459 some of her body language, you know, 789 00:43:13,590 --> 00:43:16,506 just tossing her hair all about, 790 00:43:16,593 --> 00:43:19,378 like, she didn't really come across 791 00:43:19,465 --> 00:43:24,122 as someone fearful of outcomes. 792 00:43:24,253 --> 00:43:27,299 And that seems to be what she's still carrying, 793 00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:34,655 that presumption that all will turn out in her favor, 794 00:43:34,742 --> 00:43:39,137 and that's someone that's unwell. 795 00:43:39,268 --> 00:43:42,184 That's complete disconnect from what she's done. 796 00:43:42,314 --> 00:43:44,360 [reporter] Now to Lower Manhattan, where the Ghislaine Maxwell 797 00:43:44,490 --> 00:43:47,885 sex trafficking trial is now in its 12th day. 798 00:43:48,016 --> 00:43:49,887 Well, first of all, the defense team for Ghislaine Maxwell, 799 00:43:49,974 --> 00:43:52,455 they did not start off the day today well at all, 800 00:43:52,542 --> 00:43:54,544 the judge scolding them 801 00:43:54,675 --> 00:43:57,895 for not having some of their witnesses ready to testify. 802 00:43:58,026 --> 00:44:02,030 Now, one of them is going to be ignoring a federal subpoena, 803 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,033 another one has COVID, another one is 81 years old, 804 00:44:05,163 --> 00:44:07,949 lives in the UK and cannot be here until Monday, 805 00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:11,822 and then a fourth witness who is scheduled to testify 806 00:44:11,953 --> 00:44:13,955 is pleading the Fifth. 807 00:44:19,961 --> 00:44:22,833 [Klasfeld] The defense case rested only two days in 808 00:44:22,964 --> 00:44:24,661 in the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell, 809 00:44:24,792 --> 00:44:26,924 and usually when asked whether or not 810 00:44:27,055 --> 00:44:28,883 a criminal defendant will testify in their defense, 811 00:44:29,013 --> 00:44:30,449 it's yes or no. 812 00:44:30,580 --> 00:44:32,538 Not Ghislaine Maxwell. She said: 813 00:44:32,669 --> 00:44:35,019 "Your Honor, the government has not proven its case 814 00:44:35,106 --> 00:44:36,673 beyond a reasonable doubt, 815 00:44:36,804 --> 00:44:39,937 and so there is no need for me to testify." 816 00:44:40,068 --> 00:44:41,765 And that's the kind of Ghislaine Maxwell 817 00:44:41,852 --> 00:44:43,724 we've seen throughout this trial. 818 00:44:43,854 --> 00:44:46,291 Confident, relaxed, awaiting a fate 819 00:44:46,422 --> 00:44:48,990 that could see the rest of her life in prison. 820 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,732 If she's feeling any sense of panic over that, 821 00:44:51,862 --> 00:44:54,822 she's not putting on a face that would show that. 822 00:45:04,179 --> 00:45:06,398 [ticking] 823 00:45:12,317 --> 00:45:14,755 [reporter] Breaking news in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial. 824 00:45:14,885 --> 00:45:17,409 She has been convicted. 825 00:45:17,540 --> 00:45:20,978 [reporter 2] She stood there stony-faced as the jury read out the verdict. 826 00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:22,937 When the jury filed out, 827 00:45:23,067 --> 00:45:25,983 Ghislaine Maxwell poured a glass of water, 828 00:45:26,070 --> 00:45:29,857 hugged one of her lawyers and was led out of the courtroom. 829 00:45:29,987 --> 00:45:32,250 Ghislaine Maxwell just got convicted 830 00:45:32,381 --> 00:45:34,992 of five of six of the serious counts against her, 831 00:45:35,123 --> 00:45:36,951 including the most serious counts, 832 00:45:37,081 --> 00:45:38,517 sex trafficking of a minor, 833 00:45:38,648 --> 00:45:41,477 which has a possible maximum penalty 834 00:45:41,607 --> 00:45:43,305 of 40 years imprisonment. 835 00:45:43,435 --> 00:45:45,133 [camera shutters click] 836 00:45:45,220 --> 00:45:47,570 [reporter] Mr. Maxwell, Mr. Maxwell, 837 00:45:47,700 --> 00:45:50,138 can we have a statement on behalf of the family, please? 838 00:45:50,225 --> 00:45:52,053 What is your reaction to the verdict? 839 00:45:52,183 --> 00:45:56,187 We firmly believe in Ghislaine's innocence. 840 00:45:56,318 --> 00:45:59,321 Obviously we are very disappointed with the verdict. 841 00:45:59,451 --> 00:46:02,454 We have already started working on the appeal. 842 00:46:02,541 --> 00:46:05,457 Everyone, be healthy. Have a happy new year. 843 00:46:21,952 --> 00:46:25,216 It's a tremendous relief to be here. 844 00:46:25,347 --> 00:46:28,698 I- I, um, wasn't sure that this day would ever come, 845 00:46:28,829 --> 00:46:33,007 and uh, I just feel so grateful that the jury believed us 846 00:46:33,137 --> 00:46:36,184 and sent a strong message that perpetrators 847 00:46:36,314 --> 00:46:39,970 of sexual abuse and exploitation will be held accountable, 848 00:46:40,057 --> 00:46:42,755 no matter how much power and privilege that they have. 849 00:46:45,019 --> 00:46:47,804 [Anne McElvoy] I don't think the verdict was a shock, 850 00:46:47,935 --> 00:46:51,634 but I did find it- it made me recoil. 851 00:46:52,896 --> 00:46:56,682 Looking at Ghislaine Maxwell striding around Oxford 852 00:46:56,813 --> 00:46:59,642 all those years ago, 853 00:46:59,772 --> 00:47:01,818 there was something very attractive, 854 00:47:01,949 --> 00:47:05,691 very engaging, commanding about her, 855 00:47:05,778 --> 00:47:09,391 and that did make her someone you... 856 00:47:09,521 --> 00:47:14,396 people wanted to know, they enjoyed her company. 857 00:47:14,526 --> 00:47:17,529 And yet those same attributes 858 00:47:17,616 --> 00:47:21,794 were turned to... really to something very, very wicked. 859 00:47:23,971 --> 00:47:26,451 If you'd said to me this is where 860 00:47:26,582 --> 00:47:28,062 Ghislaine Maxwell will end up, 861 00:47:28,192 --> 00:47:32,153 this is what you'd be talking about today, 862 00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:35,286 I'd have said, "That's crazy. You've got the wrong person." 863 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,337 What Epstein did 864 00:47:42,424 --> 00:47:45,122 is almost a microcosm 865 00:47:45,253 --> 00:47:47,429 of how the world works, 866 00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:49,866 of very rich and powerful people 867 00:47:49,997 --> 00:47:54,740 exploiting people without that wealth and power. 868 00:47:54,871 --> 00:47:58,919 She was the facilitator of that rapacity, 869 00:47:59,049 --> 00:48:03,401 that predatory determination to meet your needs 870 00:48:03,488 --> 00:48:06,665 regardless of anybody else's costs. 871 00:48:09,059 --> 00:48:12,280 Maxwell did not do this because Epstein told her to. 872 00:48:12,410 --> 00:48:16,327 She did it in her- her own agency, her own will. 873 00:48:16,458 --> 00:48:19,852 She chose to perpetrate these crimes against young victims, 874 00:48:19,983 --> 00:48:22,768 and she benefited from those crimes. 875 00:48:22,899 --> 00:48:26,250 [Boies] Epstein and Maxwell could not have accomplished what they did 876 00:48:26,381 --> 00:48:28,470 acting alone. 877 00:48:28,557 --> 00:48:32,996 They could not have had the scope and scale and duration 878 00:48:33,127 --> 00:48:35,520 of the sexual trafficking and abuse. 879 00:48:35,651 --> 00:48:40,090 Their collaborators, their enablers, their coconspirators 880 00:48:40,177 --> 00:48:43,311 are all people who need to be brought to justice. 881 00:48:43,441 --> 00:48:46,401 The horrible heartache, 882 00:48:46,531 --> 00:48:48,969 collective heartache, of all of this. 883 00:48:50,796 --> 00:48:53,756 For these two people 884 00:48:53,886 --> 00:48:57,107 to have created for so many people, 885 00:48:57,238 --> 00:48:58,979 and then so many other people off of that, 886 00:48:59,109 --> 00:49:01,590 families and parents and all the other things 887 00:49:01,677 --> 00:49:06,203 that... that stem off of this, you know, shame on you. 888 00:49:06,334 --> 00:49:08,162 Shame on you, so... 889 00:49:13,776 --> 00:49:15,169 And not on me. 890 00:49:17,214 --> 00:49:23,003 I don't wish... harm. 891 00:49:23,133 --> 00:49:25,701 However, she does not deserve to be free. 892 00:49:25,831 --> 00:49:28,269 I can only hope 893 00:49:28,356 --> 00:49:31,576 that at some point 894 00:49:31,707 --> 00:49:35,754 she admits to herself 895 00:49:35,885 --> 00:49:37,104 what she's done, 896 00:49:37,234 --> 00:49:39,149 'cause I don't think she has, 897 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,805 at this point... no.