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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:36,870 --> 00:00:38,204 Do you know what this is? 2 00:00:38,288 --> 00:00:40,790 It's for Marsha. Marsha Johnson. 3 00:00:40,874 --> 00:00:43,543 - Who's that? - Well, she was, um... 4 00:00:44,919 --> 00:00:47,964 a transvestite from the Village who recently died. 5 00:00:48,047 --> 00:00:49,799 She was a big activist. 6 00:00:52,802 --> 00:00:56,598 Um, we're not sure how she died yet. Murder, maybe? 7 00:00:59,893 --> 00:01:02,937 Marsha Johnson, a veteran of the Stonewall riots, 8 00:01:03,021 --> 00:01:05,690 and a prominent figure among transvestites, 9 00:01:05,774 --> 00:01:08,860 was found dead in the river near Christopher Street, Monday morning. 10 00:01:16,701 --> 00:01:19,829 Marsha, whose real name was Malcolm Michaels Jr., 11 00:01:19,913 --> 00:01:21,915 was last seen alive on Thursday. 12 00:01:29,339 --> 00:01:31,966 The police lists suicide as the cause of death, 13 00:01:32,050 --> 00:01:34,427 but community leaders cite a lack of evidence, 14 00:01:34,511 --> 00:01:38,014 and charge that police have yet to begin an investigation 15 00:01:38,097 --> 00:01:41,309 into the death of this beloved founder of the gay movement. 16 00:01:41,392 --> 00:01:44,604 A demonstration is planned for next week on Christopher Street. 17 00:01:44,687 --> 00:01:49,400 Marsha was 46 years old and is survived by four brothers and two sisters. 18 00:01:49,484 --> 00:01:51,444 She will be greatly missed. 19 00:02:32,986 --> 00:02:34,737 Do we have everyone? 20 00:02:34,821 --> 00:02:38,366 Let's start with the most recent incident, which happened over the weekend. 21 00:02:38,449 --> 00:02:41,161 A 35-year-old transgender woman was attacked 22 00:02:41,244 --> 00:02:43,913 outside of her home in Jackson Heights, Queens. 23 00:02:43,997 --> 00:02:46,833 Um, last we heard was that the survivor 24 00:02:46,916 --> 00:02:49,586 is not yet conscious or able to communicate, 25 00:02:49,669 --> 00:02:52,380 and they've not been in a position where we could offer support. 26 00:02:53,298 --> 00:02:56,759 She had her head smashed against the curb of a sidewalk 27 00:02:56,843 --> 00:03:01,472 by, uh, someone who has fled and has not yet been apprehended. 28 00:03:01,556 --> 00:03:02,557 Keep us posted. 29 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:03,975 And let us know what you need. 30 00:03:04,976 --> 00:03:07,687 Remember, the Nettles case is back in court this Friday. 31 00:03:07,770 --> 00:03:09,397 Yeah, we'll be there. 32 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,623 I've been working for the LGBTQ Anti-Violence project for many years, 33 00:03:26,706 --> 00:03:28,833 and I'm about to retire. 34 00:03:30,001 --> 00:03:34,047 But there's a massive number of trans women who have been murdered, 35 00:03:34,130 --> 00:03:36,591 and their cases have just gone cold. 36 00:03:38,843 --> 00:03:41,221 And they're yelling out from their graves... 37 00:03:42,513 --> 00:03:43,598 for justice. 38 00:03:45,058 --> 00:03:47,185 Most of them were unknown, 39 00:03:47,268 --> 00:03:50,355 but even famous people, cases go cold, just like Marsha. 40 00:03:50,438 --> 00:03:52,941 Marsha was famous all around the world. 41 00:03:54,025 --> 00:03:56,986 Her case has been cold for 25 years. 42 00:04:00,365 --> 00:04:02,659 If we can't bring justice for Marsha, 43 00:04:02,742 --> 00:04:06,537 how can we bring justice for all these other unsolved cases? 44 00:04:09,832 --> 00:04:13,378 I wanna try to give Marsha justice before I leave. 45 00:04:22,136 --> 00:04:26,474 This is the memorial that the street people laid down, 46 00:04:26,557 --> 00:04:30,395 where they laid Marsha's body when they pulled Marsha out of the water. 47 00:04:31,312 --> 00:04:33,356 Right over the edge here. 48 00:04:40,947 --> 00:04:42,323 You're looking for '92, right? 49 00:04:42,407 --> 00:04:44,867 It was July of '92. 50 00:04:45,576 --> 00:04:48,830 Everyone knew Marsha. Marsha was so full of life. 51 00:04:48,913 --> 00:04:51,291 It's hard for me to believe that she would commit suicide. 52 00:04:56,379 --> 00:04:58,464 Yeah, this is her case. 53 00:05:10,059 --> 00:05:12,687 - I was there when they pulled her out. - Yeah? 54 00:05:12,770 --> 00:05:15,148 Where did you see her floating? 55 00:05:15,231 --> 00:05:16,482 Right over there. 56 00:05:16,566 --> 00:05:19,402 She was about this... Right there, let's say. 57 00:05:19,485 --> 00:05:21,529 And the head was up and the feet were down. 58 00:05:21,612 --> 00:05:24,365 She wasn't floating flat, she was floating down. 59 00:05:24,449 --> 00:05:26,075 And she had a hole in her head. 60 00:05:30,038 --> 00:05:31,873 How do you know she had a hole in her head? 61 00:05:31,956 --> 00:05:34,083 - I could see it. - Really? 62 00:05:34,167 --> 00:05:36,836 - You can't judge that... - It could be the fish... 63 00:05:36,919 --> 00:05:39,589 I'm just saying it was a hole. I'm not saying what happened. 64 00:05:39,672 --> 00:05:42,050 All I'm telling you is what I saw. 65 00:05:42,133 --> 00:05:44,260 She didn't look anything like we knew her. 66 00:06:14,874 --> 00:06:17,293 Isn't this calming and nice to come here? 67 00:06:17,376 --> 00:06:21,714 They set aside this whole pier for us so we could come and relax here. 68 00:06:27,804 --> 00:06:28,721 Marsha! 69 00:06:28,805 --> 00:06:32,266 Marsha Johnson, Queen of the Village. One of the great... 70 00:06:32,350 --> 00:06:34,602 This is one of the most courageous people in the world. 71 00:06:34,685 --> 00:06:36,187 I've always loved... 72 00:06:36,270 --> 00:06:39,023 I always wanted to put on drag and I never had the courage. 73 00:06:39,107 --> 00:06:41,317 This is one of the people that has the courage. 74 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,404 And bravo for him. Her. Or whatever he wants to be. 75 00:06:45,488 --> 00:06:46,739 And not only that, he doesn't give a shit 76 00:06:46,823 --> 00:06:49,992 whether he wears men's clothes or women's clothes. 77 00:06:50,076 --> 00:06:52,328 - Right? He's totally free. - Right. That's right. 78 00:06:52,411 --> 00:06:55,289 If he feels like going out as a man, he goes out as a man. 79 00:06:55,373 --> 00:06:58,000 - He feels like a woman, he's a woman. - How do you know all this? 80 00:06:58,084 --> 00:07:01,587 If he feels like wearing roller skates, he wears roller skates. Whatever. 81 00:07:01,671 --> 00:07:03,506 I know Marsha Johnson. 82 00:07:03,589 --> 00:07:08,553 Marsha Johnson is our queen forever. 83 00:07:15,518 --> 00:07:18,354 You have reached the Office of Chief Medical Examiner 84 00:07:18,438 --> 00:07:19,981 for the City of New York. 85 00:07:20,773 --> 00:07:22,650 My name is Victoria Cruz 86 00:07:22,733 --> 00:07:28,823 and I'm inquiring about a Malcolm Michaels who was found dead in 1992. 87 00:07:28,906 --> 00:07:30,575 There was an autopsy. 88 00:07:30,658 --> 00:07:33,911 How would I be able to get this particular information? 89 00:07:33,995 --> 00:07:35,496 Are you calling from the media or... 90 00:07:35,580 --> 00:07:38,749 I'm calling from the Anti-Violence Project here in New York City. 91 00:07:38,833 --> 00:07:41,461 I can give you the cause of death and the manner of death. 92 00:07:41,544 --> 00:07:43,838 You would not be entitled to a full autopsy report. 93 00:07:43,921 --> 00:07:46,174 If you're looking for all that paperwork, 94 00:07:46,257 --> 00:07:49,093 then the family needs to request it in a written letter, 95 00:07:49,177 --> 00:07:51,345 and you can get the record that way. 96 00:08:02,023 --> 00:08:03,357 907. 97 00:08:08,070 --> 00:08:10,656 "The Michaels family." 98 00:08:14,744 --> 00:08:15,578 How are you? 99 00:08:15,661 --> 00:08:17,663 - Pleased to meet you. - Pleased to meet you, too. 100 00:08:17,747 --> 00:08:20,124 Here, I'll take this one 'cause it's much easier to get up from. 101 00:08:20,208 --> 00:08:21,459 - Okay. - Okay, go ahead. 102 00:08:21,542 --> 00:08:22,543 Okay. 103 00:08:23,336 --> 00:08:24,462 What do you know about the case? 104 00:08:24,545 --> 00:08:27,340 I really don't know anything. 105 00:08:27,423 --> 00:08:30,551 All we know is that they found him in the river. 106 00:08:30,635 --> 00:08:32,053 We really don't know anything about that. 107 00:08:32,136 --> 00:08:33,971 That's what we're investigating, 108 00:08:34,055 --> 00:08:38,893 'cause we have eyewitnesses that report seeing him... her... 109 00:08:38,976 --> 00:08:41,646 What do you prefer me... for me to call Marsha? 110 00:08:41,729 --> 00:08:43,481 - It doesn't matter. Okay. - Okay. 111 00:08:43,564 --> 00:08:46,234 When was the last time you saw her alive? 112 00:08:46,317 --> 00:08:47,860 We saw her before the Fourth of July. 113 00:08:47,944 --> 00:08:49,904 - Monday? Tuesday? - I don't know what day that was. 114 00:08:49,987 --> 00:08:50,988 It was during the week. 115 00:08:51,072 --> 00:08:54,242 She stopped by our house and I took him to the train station. 116 00:08:54,325 --> 00:08:56,327 - He got on the train and that was it. - Okay. 117 00:08:56,911 --> 00:09:00,581 Next thing we know, we got a phone call saying that he was dead. 118 00:09:00,665 --> 00:09:04,293 Yeah, we sure did. We went to New York and everything. 119 00:09:04,377 --> 00:09:06,879 And did you request to see the body or no? 120 00:09:06,963 --> 00:09:08,589 My sister asked, they told her no. 121 00:09:08,673 --> 00:09:11,050 They couldn't. They're not allowed to do that. 122 00:09:11,133 --> 00:09:12,134 Okay. 123 00:09:12,218 --> 00:09:14,845 This is the letter that we requested 124 00:09:14,929 --> 00:09:18,307 in order to get the autopsy report, toxicology report 125 00:09:18,391 --> 00:09:21,060 and the pictures, if some were taken. 126 00:09:21,143 --> 00:09:24,522 And hopefully, we can bring some closure to her case. 127 00:09:25,356 --> 00:09:30,027 Because to me, she was the Rosa Parks of the LGBT movement. 128 00:09:31,487 --> 00:09:34,699 - You miss her? - Yes, I miss him. 129 00:09:36,117 --> 00:09:38,369 He adopted the name of Marsha "Pay It No Mind." 130 00:09:38,953 --> 00:09:41,455 Pay it no mind. That's your problem, not mine. 131 00:09:44,083 --> 00:09:46,002 Anything he did, he'd have you laughing. 132 00:09:46,085 --> 00:09:47,753 When he told us stories, we didn't believe him. 133 00:09:47,837 --> 00:09:50,756 I'd tell him, "You're lying. You didn't know Andy Warhol. 134 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,550 - You didn't know those people." - Yes, she did! 135 00:09:52,633 --> 00:09:55,553 She knew a lot of famous people. She was famous herself. 136 00:09:56,345 --> 00:09:59,390 Well, she told us. We... I didn't believe her. 137 00:09:59,473 --> 00:10:01,434 I thought he was joking. 138 00:10:01,517 --> 00:10:03,352 Only thing that Marsha couldn't do was sing. 139 00:10:03,436 --> 00:10:05,605 - Horrible. Horrible. - No, no. No. 140 00:10:07,273 --> 00:10:08,774 He could not sing. 141 00:10:08,858 --> 00:10:10,067 And now, ladies and gentlemen... 142 00:10:11,152 --> 00:10:12,778 Miss Marsha P. Johnson! 143 00:10:19,452 --> 00:10:22,455 ♪ It sent Zelda to the nuthouse ♪ 144 00:10:22,538 --> 00:10:25,041 ♪ It sent Scott into a drink ♪ 145 00:10:25,124 --> 00:10:27,918 ♪ It sent Caesar, Cleopatra ♪ 146 00:10:28,002 --> 00:10:30,463 ♪ And caused Ilium to sink ♪ 147 00:10:31,589 --> 00:10:34,592 ♪ Now let's not be pessimistic ♪ 148 00:10:34,675 --> 00:10:37,762 ♪ I say love is worth a try ♪ 149 00:10:37,845 --> 00:10:40,681 ♪ Make no mistake, unless it's fake ♪ 150 00:10:40,765 --> 00:10:42,975 ♪ The price you pay is high ♪ 151 00:10:43,809 --> 00:10:46,812 ♪ The price you pay is high ♪ 152 00:10:46,896 --> 00:10:51,067 ♪ The price you pay is... ♪ 153 00:10:51,150 --> 00:10:55,112 ♪ High ♪ 154 00:10:59,283 --> 00:11:02,453 Encore! Encore! 155 00:11:25,726 --> 00:11:27,269 - Hi, Randy. Remember me? - Hi. 156 00:11:27,353 --> 00:11:29,313 Yes. You look very familiar. 157 00:11:29,397 --> 00:11:32,233 - Yes. How are you? I like your shirt. - Fine. And yourself? 158 00:11:32,316 --> 00:11:34,193 You got the same button, huh? 159 00:11:34,276 --> 00:11:36,278 - Yeah, how do you like that? - How are you? 160 00:11:37,113 --> 00:11:40,074 - Well, come on in the living room. - Okay. 161 00:11:40,157 --> 00:11:42,743 As you see, Marsha's a big part of my life. 162 00:11:42,827 --> 00:11:44,370 Yes, I know. 163 00:11:44,453 --> 00:11:48,541 In my opinion, I want that picture someday to be in the Schomburg Museum. 164 00:11:48,624 --> 00:11:54,338 They call her "Andy Warhol model, prostitute, starring actress and saint." 165 00:11:55,798 --> 00:11:58,217 - Where'd you meet Marsha? - Uh... 166 00:11:59,844 --> 00:12:03,472 I had a kid who lived with me, who was like an adopted son, Roy. 167 00:12:03,556 --> 00:12:05,975 That's a picture of Roy and Marsha right there. 168 00:12:06,058 --> 00:12:08,978 And one night, it was, like, five degrees outside. 169 00:12:09,061 --> 00:12:12,189 He said, "Could Marsha come and sleep on the living room floor?" 170 00:12:12,898 --> 00:12:16,694 So Marsha came in that night and stayed for the next 12 years. 171 00:12:17,528 --> 00:12:19,530 What do you think happened to her? 172 00:12:19,613 --> 00:12:23,826 Well, it certainly was not suicide. That was an insult to the family. 173 00:12:23,909 --> 00:12:27,288 No way could Marsha in any way have committed suicide. 174 00:12:27,872 --> 00:12:29,665 But let's face it. 175 00:12:29,748 --> 00:12:32,334 The police department, they had made up their mind. 176 00:12:32,418 --> 00:12:34,712 "This case is over with. We don't wanna be bothered. 177 00:12:34,795 --> 00:12:38,257 'Cause this is a nobody. This isn't a person." 178 00:12:38,340 --> 00:12:39,300 Let me ask you a question. 179 00:12:39,383 --> 00:12:44,889 Would you be able to give us any contacts or information that you may have? 180 00:12:51,437 --> 00:12:53,939 I have worked to make this place more accessible. 181 00:12:58,527 --> 00:13:02,323 Somewhere I have a printout of the names and contacts 182 00:13:02,406 --> 00:13:06,118 that I consider to be the best leads. 183 00:13:09,830 --> 00:13:12,208 Oh, okay. Yeah. I found that. 184 00:13:15,127 --> 00:13:17,171 We began down at the river. 185 00:13:17,254 --> 00:13:19,048 Who's "we"? 186 00:13:19,131 --> 00:13:23,010 A group of Marsha's friends. Maybe 20 people. 187 00:13:23,093 --> 00:13:24,428 And this was the... 188 00:13:25,513 --> 00:13:27,431 And the police have written us off 189 00:13:27,515 --> 00:13:29,141 as marginalized citizens. 190 00:13:30,267 --> 00:13:31,852 That was the memorial at the pier. 191 00:13:31,936 --> 00:13:36,482 That was where her body laid and damaged the sidewalk. 192 00:13:36,565 --> 00:13:38,067 Well, I just meant... 193 00:13:38,943 --> 00:13:43,197 What we're really here today to talk about is what we're gonna do 194 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:48,285 about this loss of a national treasure, this icon of the gay community, 195 00:13:48,369 --> 00:13:50,871 this fire at Stonewall. 196 00:13:52,414 --> 00:13:56,418 The cops aren't doing their job. They're just sitting on their fat asses. 197 00:13:56,502 --> 00:13:58,587 We have to send a message to these people. 198 00:13:58,671 --> 00:14:00,756 We demand justice here. 199 00:14:04,635 --> 00:14:07,972 Join us. Sixth precinct is not doing their job again. 200 00:14:08,055 --> 00:14:10,140 We want some answers! 201 00:14:10,224 --> 00:14:13,561 I knew Marsha. Marsha was the happiest person I knew. 202 00:14:13,644 --> 00:14:15,396 Yeah. Yes, she was. 203 00:14:15,479 --> 00:14:20,150 Do their job! Do their job! Do their job! Do their job! 204 00:14:20,234 --> 00:14:22,152 We know that this wasn't a suicide. 205 00:14:22,236 --> 00:14:23,946 You guys closed your books on it and decided, 206 00:14:24,029 --> 00:14:25,698 because she's a marginal citizen, 207 00:14:25,781 --> 00:14:28,284 that you weren't going to do anything about it. 208 00:14:28,367 --> 00:14:30,035 We don't agree with that, 209 00:14:30,119 --> 00:14:32,496 and we want you guys to do your fucking jobs. 210 00:14:32,580 --> 00:14:35,583 My name is Randy Wicker. I was the deceased's roommate. 211 00:14:35,666 --> 00:14:38,794 I think the problem is that, first, it's been classified as a suicide, 212 00:14:38,878 --> 00:14:41,547 and I came to believe that there was a good chance of foul play 213 00:14:41,630 --> 00:14:43,883 'cause she was talking about the Mafia after her 214 00:14:43,966 --> 00:14:45,050 and in a very bad state. 215 00:14:45,134 --> 00:14:46,802 And we may never know what happened. 216 00:14:46,886 --> 00:14:49,096 But we wanna see this investigation proceed 217 00:14:49,179 --> 00:14:50,848 in an orderly and thorough manner. 218 00:14:50,931 --> 00:14:53,517 And that the investigation will continue to accumulate evidence 219 00:14:53,601 --> 00:14:54,894 if new evidence does become available. 220 00:14:54,977 --> 00:14:58,647 I don't think that it's possible for you to schedule a meeting 221 00:14:58,731 --> 00:15:02,067 that will resolve this problem to your satisfaction today. 222 00:15:02,151 --> 00:15:03,485 I don't think that's possible. 223 00:15:03,569 --> 00:15:07,156 We want justice here, to find out who the hell murdered Marsha, 224 00:15:07,239 --> 00:15:12,119 while you fucking people are standing here not doing your fucking jobs! 225 00:15:12,202 --> 00:15:15,623 - Justice for Marsha! - Justice for Marsha! 226 00:15:29,887 --> 00:15:31,889 My name is Sylvia Rivera, 227 00:15:31,972 --> 00:15:36,101 and I'm giving permission to have this filmed. 228 00:15:38,020 --> 00:15:42,399 When I met Marsha, I must've been 12 years old. 229 00:15:43,692 --> 00:15:45,694 She was like a mother to me. 230 00:15:47,488 --> 00:15:50,366 Marsha was an icon of the gay movement. 231 00:15:50,449 --> 00:15:53,202 Marsha was known through the world. 232 00:15:54,370 --> 00:15:56,830 Marsha and I, we were the liberators. 233 00:15:56,914 --> 00:15:59,333 And the street people and the drag queens were... 234 00:16:00,501 --> 00:16:02,962 the vanguard of the movement. 235 00:16:03,045 --> 00:16:07,424 We were the ones that stood the forefront and fought the cops off. 236 00:16:07,508 --> 00:16:11,804 And we're the ones that didn't mind getting our heads bashed in. 237 00:16:11,887 --> 00:16:13,973 When I first came to the Stonewall, 238 00:16:14,056 --> 00:16:17,059 I was the only drag queen there, just about. 239 00:16:18,811 --> 00:16:22,439 I said, "Honey, what do you think, I'm a boy or a girl?" 240 00:16:22,523 --> 00:16:25,150 They didn't answer, so I decided to go in. 241 00:16:27,820 --> 00:16:29,989 'Cause it was a all-men's bar. 242 00:16:38,122 --> 00:16:43,460 The Stonewall was a very nice campy little bar 243 00:16:43,544 --> 00:16:46,046 owned by the Mafia, you know. 244 00:16:47,089 --> 00:16:50,342 Gay people were not allowed in bars. 245 00:16:50,426 --> 00:16:54,722 The Mafia would pay off the cops. Typical of that era. 246 00:16:54,805 --> 00:16:56,890 It was hard being a drag queen back then 247 00:16:56,974 --> 00:17:00,894 because they would take us into jail for no reason at all. 248 00:17:00,978 --> 00:17:03,397 We lived in an era that was unreal. 249 00:17:17,453 --> 00:17:20,164 I was spaced out on black beauties and scotch. 250 00:17:21,290 --> 00:17:23,208 We would dance, my lover and I. 251 00:17:25,127 --> 00:17:28,088 The next thing we know, the lights came on and... 252 00:17:28,172 --> 00:17:29,798 Hey, we're being raided. 253 00:17:33,802 --> 00:17:37,556 Queens started being filed out and being put into police cars, 254 00:17:37,639 --> 00:17:39,975 and guns had been drawn. 255 00:17:40,059 --> 00:17:42,770 Molotov cocktails were flying. 256 00:17:42,853 --> 00:17:47,566 And I'm like, "Oh, my God, the revolution is here. Thank God." 257 00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:50,986 You've been treating us like shit all these years? 258 00:17:51,070 --> 00:17:53,614 Uh-uh. Now it's our turn. 259 00:17:59,078 --> 00:18:02,331 When I got downtown, the place was already on fire. 260 00:18:02,414 --> 00:18:06,376 Sylvia Rivera and them were over in the park having a cocktail. 261 00:18:06,460 --> 00:18:08,879 And we were in the streets turning over cars 262 00:18:08,962 --> 00:18:11,673 and, oh, my dear, blocking traffic 263 00:18:11,757 --> 00:18:14,968 and screaming and hollering and everything. 264 00:18:15,052 --> 00:18:18,597 I mean, there was a lot of bloodshed that night. 265 00:18:20,849 --> 00:18:24,520 And the movement started the next day. 266 00:18:29,316 --> 00:18:32,694 The world is having to notice what it used to try to ignore. 267 00:18:32,778 --> 00:18:35,489 Homosexuals no longer meekly melt away 268 00:18:35,572 --> 00:18:38,575 under the blast of scorn, ridicule or hatred. 269 00:18:39,159 --> 00:18:41,203 Today's gay power people are struggling 270 00:18:41,286 --> 00:18:45,666 for full economic and legal recognition and acceptance. 271 00:18:49,461 --> 00:18:54,383 - Why are you here today? - Darling, I want my gay rights now. 272 00:18:54,466 --> 00:18:59,346 I think it's about time the gay brothers and sisters got their rights. 273 00:18:59,429 --> 00:19:02,850 And especially the women. 274 00:19:02,933 --> 00:19:08,647 Marsha was very good-natured. She was funny. She laughed. 275 00:19:08,730 --> 00:19:11,692 But that shouldn't be mistaken 276 00:19:11,775 --> 00:19:16,321 for a lack of serious purpose and political intent. 277 00:19:16,905 --> 00:19:22,119 Her mission in life is going about spreading peace and goodwill. 278 00:19:22,202 --> 00:19:25,664 Giving license to, "You don't have to be dressed up in a suit." 279 00:19:25,747 --> 00:19:27,457 You can express yourself. 280 00:19:27,541 --> 00:19:30,669 She became, to me, like a bodhisattva. 281 00:19:30,752 --> 00:19:33,797 A holy person who would wander the Village 282 00:19:33,881 --> 00:19:37,634 in whatever adornment she wanted, being at peace. 283 00:19:37,718 --> 00:19:40,137 How will this affect your job? 284 00:19:40,220 --> 00:19:43,390 Darling, I don't have a job. I'm on welfare. 285 00:19:43,473 --> 00:19:45,517 I have no intentions of getting a job 286 00:19:45,601 --> 00:19:48,729 as long as this country discriminates against homosexuals. 287 00:19:48,812 --> 00:19:50,147 Right on. 288 00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:54,443 Justice! Justice! Justice! Justice! 289 00:19:54,526 --> 00:19:57,196 Sylvia was always very outspoken. 290 00:19:57,279 --> 00:20:01,366 She was unrelenting. She was... Sylvia was very in-your-face. 291 00:20:01,450 --> 00:20:04,745 Very intense eyes. A slash of a mouth. 292 00:20:04,828 --> 00:20:07,956 A guttural laugh like Marlene Dietrich. 293 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,209 Sylvia was quite the serious one. 294 00:20:10,292 --> 00:20:12,753 She pushed her way to the front line. 295 00:20:13,378 --> 00:20:15,797 "Homes for the homeless! Food for the poor! 296 00:20:15,881 --> 00:20:17,382 Gay rights! Gay rights!" 297 00:20:17,466 --> 00:20:18,550 P! 298 00:20:18,634 --> 00:20:20,594 - O! - O! 299 00:20:20,677 --> 00:20:22,554 - W! - W! 300 00:20:22,638 --> 00:20:24,556 - E! - E! 301 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,225 - R! - R! 302 00:20:26,308 --> 00:20:28,477 - Tell me what! - Gay power! 303 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,063 - I can't hear you! - Gay power! 304 00:20:31,146 --> 00:20:32,606 A little bit louder! 305 00:20:32,689 --> 00:20:34,775 Gay power! 306 00:20:39,738 --> 00:20:45,369 After a while, I think they knew that they most had to concentrate 307 00:20:45,452 --> 00:20:48,622 on the area that no one was addressing for them, 308 00:20:48,705 --> 00:20:52,793 and that only they could address. And that was being transgender. 309 00:20:54,211 --> 00:20:58,757 Marsha and I thought one day we needed to do something for our own. 310 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,509 That's where STAR was born. 311 00:21:00,592 --> 00:21:03,220 Street Transvestites Action Revolutionaries. 312 00:21:06,431 --> 00:21:10,435 Sylvia Lee Rivera deserves all the credit for STAR. 313 00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:12,813 I was just one of the queens that was behind her, 314 00:21:12,896 --> 00:21:14,982 like the vice president of STAR. 315 00:21:15,065 --> 00:21:17,234 She knew exactly what she was talking about. 316 00:21:17,317 --> 00:21:21,697 She was talking about nobody's representing transvestites, ya know? 317 00:21:24,658 --> 00:21:27,244 The one thing they had in common which bonded them, 318 00:21:27,327 --> 00:21:30,038 why their name should always be connected, 319 00:21:30,122 --> 00:21:33,000 is that they helped those who were on the street, 320 00:21:33,083 --> 00:21:35,043 just trying to live their lives. 321 00:21:35,127 --> 00:21:39,214 And a lot of them got on the street and ended up hooking or hustling 322 00:21:39,298 --> 00:21:42,092 to make a buck, and they sometimes had no place to stay. 323 00:21:44,469 --> 00:21:49,141 Marsha and I started STAR House to keep the kids off the streets. 324 00:21:52,811 --> 00:21:56,106 To get these kids get their things together. 325 00:21:57,858 --> 00:22:01,695 STAR was part of the people's revolution, 326 00:22:01,778 --> 00:22:06,908 and it was time for us to show the world that we are human beings. 327 00:22:09,411 --> 00:22:13,957 I didn't know Marsha, but I became very close friends with Sylvia. 328 00:22:15,792 --> 00:22:18,962 Back in the late '60s, 329 00:22:19,046 --> 00:22:22,507 I was going out with Frankie, who was a bouncer at the Stonewall. 330 00:22:22,591 --> 00:22:25,218 Frankie was always cheating on me, 331 00:22:25,302 --> 00:22:28,805 and he was going out with Sylvia's best friend at the time. 332 00:22:29,431 --> 00:22:32,517 Sylvia and I didn’t get along too well, 333 00:22:32,601 --> 00:22:36,396 so I had lost sight of her for 25 years. 334 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:41,818 One day I went to a meeting, and who was there? Sylvia. 335 00:22:41,902 --> 00:22:47,532 She sat right across from me, and she got up and she says, "I know you." 336 00:22:47,616 --> 00:22:49,951 And I got up, too, and I says, "I know you, too." 337 00:22:50,035 --> 00:22:54,706 And then this button, she had it on her left side, 338 00:22:54,790 --> 00:22:59,169 popped out and it just rolled to my feet. 339 00:22:59,252 --> 00:23:01,505 So one of the girls picked it up and Sylvia says, 340 00:23:01,588 --> 00:23:04,549 "No, give it to her. She's one of us." 341 00:23:05,550 --> 00:23:08,970 And from that moment on, we became very close friends. 342 00:23:09,054 --> 00:23:11,723 We spoke to each other at least twice a week. 343 00:23:11,807 --> 00:23:15,185 And she was always there for me and the community. 344 00:23:15,268 --> 00:23:17,062 And I will never forget that. 345 00:23:18,563 --> 00:23:22,192 When she spoke about Marsha, there was always a tear in her eyes. 346 00:23:22,275 --> 00:23:26,363 She loved Marsha, and she said that that was our mother. 347 00:23:28,198 --> 00:23:31,451 What's been going on with the Marsha P. Johnson case? 348 00:23:31,535 --> 00:23:35,205 There seems to be conflicting evidence on the last time she was seen. 349 00:23:35,831 --> 00:23:38,792 Randy said he last saw her on the second. 350 00:23:39,543 --> 00:23:41,962 - Thank you very much, doll. - My pleasure. 351 00:23:42,045 --> 00:23:47,092 And then someone reported seeing her on the night of the fourth. 352 00:23:47,175 --> 00:23:49,469 And the body was found on the sixth. 353 00:23:51,304 --> 00:23:54,307 So we're gonna ask more questions of people who knew her 354 00:23:54,391 --> 00:23:57,310 or reported seeing her during that time. 355 00:23:57,394 --> 00:24:00,814 And that's what we're trying to find out. We'll get to the bottom of it. 356 00:24:02,023 --> 00:24:03,108 Okay. 357 00:24:22,627 --> 00:24:25,422 Please leave a message after the tone. When... 358 00:24:31,845 --> 00:24:32,971 Can I help you? 359 00:24:33,054 --> 00:24:36,391 Yes. May I speak to Daniel Massanova? 360 00:24:36,474 --> 00:24:38,935 That's me. What's the matter? What's up? 361 00:24:39,728 --> 00:24:43,190 Daniel, my name is Victoria Cruz. I work for the Anti-Violence Project. 362 00:24:43,273 --> 00:24:47,485 I'm working on a reopened case from 1992... 363 00:24:47,569 --> 00:24:50,864 - What was the name of the victim? - Marsha P. Johnson. 364 00:24:50,947 --> 00:24:53,575 Are you talking about the girl off the water? 365 00:24:53,658 --> 00:24:54,951 Yes. 366 00:24:55,035 --> 00:24:57,454 Yeah, that was Jimmy Abreu's case. 367 00:24:57,537 --> 00:25:00,415 Jimmy is retired like I am from the NYPD. 368 00:25:00,498 --> 00:25:02,709 Okay, you wouldn't happen to have his number, would you? 369 00:25:02,792 --> 00:25:04,044 No, I don't. 370 00:25:09,132 --> 00:25:12,344 I'm trying to get in contact with a James Abreu. 371 00:25:12,427 --> 00:25:13,887 I'm not familiar with that. 372 00:25:16,598 --> 00:25:21,686 I don't know that person. There is nobody here named James Abreu. 373 00:25:29,027 --> 00:25:32,239 - Daryl. - I'm looking for a James Abreu. 374 00:25:32,322 --> 00:25:35,951 Yeah, hold on. Jimmy, phone call. 375 00:25:36,534 --> 00:25:37,535 Hello? 376 00:25:37,619 --> 00:25:39,454 - James Abreu? - Yes. 377 00:25:39,537 --> 00:25:43,291 Hi, my name is Victoria Cruz. I'm working for the Anti-Violence Project. 378 00:25:43,375 --> 00:25:47,462 I'm working on a reopened case on the Marsha P. Johnson case 379 00:25:47,545 --> 00:25:52,425 that was... She was found in 1992 by Christopher Street Pier. 380 00:25:52,509 --> 00:25:53,426 Right. 381 00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:56,513 Can I meet with you in reference to this particular case? 382 00:25:56,596 --> 00:25:57,931 Definitely not. 383 00:25:59,140 --> 00:26:00,350 Because? 384 00:26:00,433 --> 00:26:04,271 Because I'm retired from the NYPD and you're calling me at work. 385 00:26:04,354 --> 00:26:06,940 Can we meet outside of your job? 386 00:26:07,023 --> 00:26:09,025 No, definitely not. 387 00:26:09,109 --> 00:26:11,778 I don't want to meet in regards to anything. 388 00:26:18,326 --> 00:26:20,203 He didn't want to tell me anything about the case. 389 00:26:20,287 --> 00:26:21,121 He doesn't wanna look back. 390 00:26:21,204 --> 00:26:22,914 I can't control what people say to you. 391 00:26:22,998 --> 00:26:24,791 - I understand. - I don't know who you represent. 392 00:26:24,874 --> 00:26:28,295 I don't even know if you are who you say you are. 393 00:26:29,629 --> 00:26:32,340 - Are you a lawyer? - No, I'm not. 394 00:26:32,424 --> 00:26:34,175 - You a private investigator? - No. 395 00:26:34,259 --> 00:26:37,637 How about I give you a little advice? Don't play detective yourself. 396 00:26:37,721 --> 00:26:40,015 Leave this to the people that should handle it. 397 00:27:07,208 --> 00:27:08,209 Okay. 398 00:27:09,836 --> 00:27:12,672 This is me in '67. 399 00:27:15,216 --> 00:27:17,510 Look at the hairdos. 400 00:27:19,846 --> 00:27:25,268 I was doing shows at the time. I just loved the stage. 401 00:27:29,522 --> 00:27:30,648 Oh. 402 00:27:33,151 --> 00:27:37,989 I used to do the catwalk in the city till they found out I was trans, 403 00:27:38,073 --> 00:27:40,658 and then I got booted out. 404 00:27:42,994 --> 00:27:48,500 Back in the '60s, it was against the law to be dressed in drag. 405 00:27:48,583 --> 00:27:51,086 I was very fortunate that I was small and petite, 406 00:27:51,169 --> 00:27:54,130 so I really wasn't detectable. 407 00:27:54,214 --> 00:27:57,759 I was very careful not to get arrested. 408 00:28:03,515 --> 00:28:05,433 X-rated. 409 00:28:07,310 --> 00:28:12,148 This is my beach outfit, when I had the body. 410 00:28:12,232 --> 00:28:15,568 I had a 24-inch waist. 411 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,034 I've been very blessed and lucky that my family accepted me. 412 00:28:23,118 --> 00:28:25,328 As a matter of fact, my mother was a dressmaker, 413 00:28:25,412 --> 00:28:27,330 and she was very supportive. 414 00:28:30,291 --> 00:28:34,045 This was a friend of mine who got murdered back in '73. 415 00:28:34,879 --> 00:28:38,508 This is him in drag. Carlos Sanchez. 416 00:28:40,552 --> 00:28:44,931 We never found out who did it or... Cold case. 417 00:28:48,393 --> 00:28:50,562 They just didn't care. 418 00:28:50,645 --> 00:28:52,021 They were trans. 419 00:28:54,023 --> 00:28:57,068 Outcasts. Society doesn't want them. 420 00:28:58,695 --> 00:29:00,655 I've dealt with those feelings... 421 00:29:01,448 --> 00:29:03,616 my own personal experiences. 422 00:29:46,743 --> 00:29:48,495 - Victoria? - Miss Kitty? 423 00:29:48,578 --> 00:29:49,621 Hi. 424 00:29:49,704 --> 00:29:51,372 - How are you? - Thank you so much for coming. 425 00:29:51,456 --> 00:29:52,749 Thank you for allowing me to come. 426 00:29:54,751 --> 00:29:56,419 - Thank you. - Sit, please. 427 00:29:56,503 --> 00:29:57,545 Thank you so much. 428 00:29:57,629 --> 00:30:00,507 You're more than welcome. Thank you. 429 00:30:00,590 --> 00:30:02,801 So, I heard so much about you. 430 00:30:02,884 --> 00:30:04,302 And was it good or bad? 431 00:30:04,385 --> 00:30:07,305 - It's all interesting. - Yes. 432 00:30:07,388 --> 00:30:09,098 How did you meet Marsha? 433 00:30:09,182 --> 00:30:12,685 I was probably 13 or 14 at the time. 434 00:30:13,353 --> 00:30:16,689 I would always pass Sheridan Square Park. 435 00:30:16,773 --> 00:30:19,067 And when I first saw Marsha, 436 00:30:19,150 --> 00:30:26,115 she was just this elaborate, with feathers and plumes and... 437 00:30:26,199 --> 00:30:30,829 makeup that was never put on correctly. 438 00:30:31,746 --> 00:30:35,792 And Marsha was all, "Honey, you are fabulous," 439 00:30:35,875 --> 00:30:38,837 and, "You would make a beautiful girl." 440 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,258 She used to come by and snatch my hair up on both sides, 441 00:30:43,341 --> 00:30:45,677 and it made me feel so special. 442 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:51,391 It made me feel like I wanted to be a part of that crowd. 443 00:30:51,474 --> 00:30:55,979 And Marsha and I remained great friends up until the day she died. 444 00:30:56,062 --> 00:30:59,774 Have you seen this? This was a flyer that was given out. 445 00:30:59,858 --> 00:31:04,320 I remember this poster being posted in the window of Uplift, 446 00:31:04,404 --> 00:31:06,823 which was Randy Wicker's store. 447 00:31:06,906 --> 00:31:10,368 And Randy had, like, this little memorial going on right there. 448 00:31:10,451 --> 00:31:12,579 Yes, I do remember this. 449 00:31:21,838 --> 00:31:25,258 I had went in there once or twice after Marsha's death. 450 00:31:25,341 --> 00:31:29,512 Just to pay my respects to him and offer my condolences to him. 451 00:31:29,596 --> 00:31:31,097 I actually never read this. 452 00:31:31,180 --> 00:31:33,141 "Malcolm, 46..." 453 00:31:33,725 --> 00:31:35,393 Oh, Anvil icon. 454 00:31:35,476 --> 00:31:38,646 Amazing, because the night that she was murdered, 455 00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:41,190 her and I were supposed to go to the Anvil together. 456 00:31:41,274 --> 00:31:43,568 Okay, tell me about that time. 457 00:31:43,651 --> 00:31:46,195 I wanna say it was the Fourth of July. 458 00:31:48,197 --> 00:31:53,161 I ran into Marsha in front of the Christopher Street bookstore, 459 00:31:53,244 --> 00:31:56,539 and it was broad daylight. She was in full drag. 460 00:31:56,623 --> 00:32:00,543 - How intoxicated was she? - Marsha was always in her right mind. 461 00:32:00,627 --> 00:32:05,840 She always knew what the main prize was, you know. 462 00:32:08,134 --> 00:32:10,762 We separated, and we were gonna meet at midnight, 463 00:32:10,845 --> 00:32:13,556 and we were gonna troll the streets back and forth. 464 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,391 And we were gonna go to the Anvil, 465 00:32:15,475 --> 00:32:18,436 like, at the usual time, it was 2:00 or 3:00 a.m. 466 00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:20,396 But she never showed up. 467 00:32:21,689 --> 00:32:25,443 And then, later, I remember... 468 00:32:27,195 --> 00:32:29,238 I was down by the Stroll. 469 00:32:34,577 --> 00:32:38,623 The girl stroll, the queen stroll, was on that left side. 470 00:32:38,706 --> 00:32:42,835 On the right side was where all the boys used to do their thing. 471 00:32:42,919 --> 00:32:44,295 The butch queens. 472 00:32:48,383 --> 00:32:50,677 I remember the girls had put me on point. 473 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,428 "Miss Kitty, watch out. 474 00:32:52,512 --> 00:32:56,307 There's a car full of guidos, you know, just driving around." 475 00:32:57,392 --> 00:33:02,021 And later that evening, I heard that Marsha had gotten in the car. 476 00:33:04,899 --> 00:33:08,236 The thing is... Yeah, we told her not to get in that car. 477 00:33:13,574 --> 00:33:17,036 And I never saw her again after that, you know. 478 00:33:18,371 --> 00:33:23,209 The police from the Sixth Precinct, they just brushed it off like... 479 00:33:24,252 --> 00:33:27,630 like another one bites the dust type of thing, you know. 480 00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:33,136 You know, it kind of makes me think, Victoria, 481 00:33:33,219 --> 00:33:36,806 what happens when a flower gets wilted? 482 00:33:38,433 --> 00:33:42,103 Does it just die away and it's forgotten? 483 00:33:44,022 --> 00:33:47,191 Well, hopefully, that flower would have shed some seeds 484 00:33:47,275 --> 00:33:49,527 - that will grow into a movement. - Right. 485 00:33:50,737 --> 00:33:52,447 That's what I hope. 486 00:34:01,372 --> 00:34:03,416 Police are investigating a possible hate crime 487 00:34:03,499 --> 00:34:05,918 that led to the death of a transgender woman. 488 00:34:06,002 --> 00:34:09,338 Twenty-one-year-old Islan Nettles was attacked on the street. 489 00:34:09,422 --> 00:34:13,092 Nettles was out with another transgender female, a friend. 490 00:34:13,176 --> 00:34:15,136 Police say the pair met a group of men who attacked them 491 00:34:15,219 --> 00:34:18,097 once they realized Nettles and her friend weren't born as females. 492 00:34:18,181 --> 00:34:20,224 The friend tells investigators, 493 00:34:20,308 --> 00:34:21,976 when she ran away to get help, 494 00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:26,147 the suspect was on top of Nettles, punching her in the face. 495 00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:28,900 Nettles was punched in the head, hit the ground. 496 00:34:28,983 --> 00:34:31,569 She lapsed into a coma and later died. 497 00:34:31,652 --> 00:34:32,987 Twenty-year-old James Dixon 498 00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:34,947 faced a judge here at Manhattan Criminal Court. 499 00:34:35,031 --> 00:34:37,700 He's charged with manslaughter and assault. 500 00:34:37,784 --> 00:34:41,662 This person beat my baby with their bare hands to death. 501 00:34:41,746 --> 00:34:44,499 And I don't feel he should walk in the streets 502 00:34:44,582 --> 00:34:46,334 'cause my baby can't walk. 503 00:34:53,466 --> 00:34:56,594 He faces anything between 5 and 25 years. 504 00:34:56,677 --> 00:35:01,224 The child was murdered in August of 2013. 505 00:35:01,307 --> 00:35:04,143 And this has been going on, we're going on three years already. 506 00:35:04,227 --> 00:35:06,020 The family's been in limbo. 507 00:35:07,105 --> 00:35:10,149 This is a very important case. This place should be packed. 508 00:35:10,233 --> 00:35:13,111 There should be people outside that couldn't get in the door. 509 00:35:14,445 --> 00:35:17,323 We had the gay marriage. Everyone was out for gay marriage. 510 00:35:17,406 --> 00:35:20,326 We used to march these streets up and down. 511 00:35:20,952 --> 00:35:24,789 We got arrested over here. We handcuffed ourselves to that thing. 512 00:35:24,872 --> 00:35:27,083 The privileged people, they got their gay marriage, 513 00:35:27,166 --> 00:35:29,961 and now they're off... They're gone. 514 00:35:30,044 --> 00:35:32,380 And they've left the transgender community behind. 515 00:35:32,463 --> 00:35:35,216 What about the rest of the community? What about the T? 516 00:35:35,299 --> 00:35:39,345 Remember the T? LGBT, you know? 517 00:35:44,976 --> 00:35:51,774 As long as my people don't have their rights all across America, 518 00:35:51,858 --> 00:35:53,693 there's no reason for celebration. 519 00:35:55,069 --> 00:35:58,781 That's how come I've been walking for gay rights all these years. 520 00:35:58,865 --> 00:36:03,661 And in 1973, they told me and Sylvia Rivera 521 00:36:03,744 --> 00:36:05,913 that we get to lead the Gay Pride march, 522 00:36:05,997 --> 00:36:08,624 the transvestites in the front of the parade. 523 00:36:09,208 --> 00:36:11,711 Honey, they chickens put all of the drag queens 524 00:36:11,794 --> 00:36:14,213 way in the back someplace. 525 00:36:14,297 --> 00:36:17,341 Honey, that was not the right thing to do. 526 00:36:17,425 --> 00:36:21,095 They don't care if you were there at the beginning of the gay movement, 527 00:36:21,179 --> 00:36:23,181 demonstrating in drag with them. 528 00:36:23,306 --> 00:36:25,266 They don't care. 529 00:36:31,147 --> 00:36:35,526 Transgender people felt that they were being pushed to the side. 530 00:36:35,610 --> 00:36:38,613 That their place at Stonewall, 531 00:36:38,696 --> 00:36:41,782 that their place from the beginning was being forgotten. 532 00:36:42,617 --> 00:36:45,995 I had been promised a spot to speak. 533 00:36:46,078 --> 00:36:49,624 And they were having a conflict about the drag queens on stage. 534 00:36:49,707 --> 00:36:51,667 Because we were supposed to be stereotypes. 535 00:36:51,751 --> 00:36:55,504 But if it wasn't for a drag queen, there would be no gay liberation movement. 536 00:36:55,588 --> 00:36:56,881 We're the frontliners. 537 00:36:57,673 --> 00:37:00,801 I said, "Well, I'm gonna speak one way or the other." 538 00:37:03,179 --> 00:37:06,933 One person, a man, Sylvia gets up here, and... 539 00:37:07,016 --> 00:37:10,937 Just a moment, just a moment. I would like to avoid any trouble. 540 00:37:11,020 --> 00:37:14,106 This is a day of unity for us. I want us to be happy. 541 00:37:16,442 --> 00:37:17,526 Sylvia! 542 00:37:24,575 --> 00:37:25,910 Hi, baby! 543 00:37:48,349 --> 00:37:51,060 You all better quiet down! 544 00:37:57,566 --> 00:38:00,444 I've been trying to get up here all day 545 00:38:00,528 --> 00:38:06,242 for your gay brothers and your gay sisters in jail! 546 00:38:06,325 --> 00:38:10,121 They're writing me every motherfuckin' week, 547 00:38:10,204 --> 00:38:13,499 and ask for your help! 548 00:38:13,582 --> 00:38:17,420 And you all don't do a goddamn thing for them! 549 00:38:19,005 --> 00:38:22,091 And they write STAR, not the women's group. 550 00:38:22,633 --> 00:38:25,761 They do not write women. They do not write men. 551 00:38:25,845 --> 00:38:30,391 They write STAR because we're trying to do something for them. 552 00:38:30,474 --> 00:38:35,855 But you all tell me go and hide my tail between my legs. 553 00:38:35,938 --> 00:38:38,774 I will not put up with this shit! 554 00:38:38,858 --> 00:38:42,945 I have been beaten. I have had my nose broken. 555 00:38:43,029 --> 00:38:44,947 I have been thrown in jail. 556 00:38:45,031 --> 00:38:47,116 I have lost my job. 557 00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:50,995 I have lost my apartment for gay liberation. 558 00:38:51,078 --> 00:38:53,289 And you all treat me this way? 559 00:38:53,372 --> 00:38:56,042 What the fuck's wrong with you all? 560 00:38:56,125 --> 00:38:57,918 Think about that! 561 00:38:59,253 --> 00:39:02,256 I believe in the gay power. 562 00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:04,633 I believe in us getting our rights, 563 00:39:04,717 --> 00:39:08,429 or else I would not be out there fighting for our rights. 564 00:39:08,512 --> 00:39:11,223 That's all I wanted to say to your people. 565 00:39:11,307 --> 00:39:15,644 Come and see your people at STAR House on 12th Street. 566 00:39:15,728 --> 00:39:19,482 The people that are trying to do something for all of us, 567 00:39:19,565 --> 00:39:25,571 and not men and women that belong to a white middle class club! 568 00:39:25,654 --> 00:39:28,366 And that's what you all belong to! 569 00:39:29,116 --> 00:39:31,577 Revolution now! 570 00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:35,956 Gay... Gay power. 571 00:39:37,833 --> 00:39:40,878 Louder! Gay power! 572 00:39:53,391 --> 00:39:56,602 I was hurt, and I felt that... 573 00:39:57,436 --> 00:40:00,940 the movement had completely betrayed... 574 00:40:02,024 --> 00:40:04,735 the drag queens and the street people. 575 00:40:06,987 --> 00:40:11,992 And I felt that the years that I had already given them had been a waste. 576 00:40:13,994 --> 00:40:15,746 So, I went home, locked up the house. 577 00:40:15,830 --> 00:40:18,707 If it wasn't for Marsha, I wouldn't be here right now. 578 00:40:18,791 --> 00:40:21,669 I got 60 stitches in this arm. 579 00:40:21,752 --> 00:40:24,964 She came home and found me bleeding to death. 580 00:40:30,469 --> 00:40:33,639 After the march of 1973... 581 00:40:34,473 --> 00:40:36,809 I left the movement. 582 00:40:45,192 --> 00:40:48,112 I found myself up in Westchester. 583 00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:55,703 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Music Hall in Tarrytown. 584 00:40:55,786 --> 00:41:01,083 I want to give special thanks to everyone in the audience for still supporting us. 585 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,177 Of course, you get the first strange looks. 586 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,387 Ain't bothering me. 587 00:41:13,471 --> 00:41:16,682 Next thing, you become friends with everybody. 588 00:41:19,351 --> 00:41:22,104 I feel that I have liberated a lot of people 589 00:41:22,188 --> 00:41:26,233 just by living here in the suburbs, just by being myself. 590 00:41:27,610 --> 00:41:30,070 Just by being a campy queen. 591 00:41:30,946 --> 00:41:33,324 And they appreciate. They really do. 592 00:41:38,329 --> 00:41:41,874 That's how I was letting out most of my anger. 593 00:41:42,833 --> 00:41:45,711 But I will not forgive the movement 594 00:41:45,794 --> 00:41:50,508 for anything that they have done to my community. 595 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,706 - Give me a hug, girl. - A hug. I'm sorry. 596 00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:25,334 Yes, girl. Oh, good to see you. 597 00:42:25,417 --> 00:42:28,087 - Mmm! - Mmm. Nice hug. 598 00:42:28,170 --> 00:42:31,048 Yeah, I like to give good hugs. 599 00:42:31,131 --> 00:42:32,716 - Good hugs. - So, can I open this? 600 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,385 - Sure. - Thank you. 601 00:42:34,468 --> 00:42:36,679 - You can light it up if you like, too. - Light it up? 602 00:42:36,762 --> 00:42:37,805 Incense. 603 00:42:37,888 --> 00:42:40,349 Chelsea, come here, girl. What's the matter with you? 604 00:42:40,432 --> 00:42:43,686 - Give me a hug, baby. Blessed be. - Blessed be. How you doin'? 605 00:42:46,397 --> 00:42:50,776 Anything you may be able to tell me may be very, very helpful. 606 00:42:50,859 --> 00:42:54,655 I don't know anything that you can't get better from Randy Wicker. 607 00:42:56,532 --> 00:42:59,660 Maybe you can tell me about the cops that were around during that time? 608 00:42:59,743 --> 00:43:01,203 - I really can't. - You can't? 609 00:43:01,287 --> 00:43:03,289 - No. - All right. 610 00:43:03,831 --> 00:43:09,420 You went on an investigation in a white van with Randy. Remember that? 611 00:43:12,631 --> 00:43:13,924 Do you always smoke this much, 612 00:43:14,008 --> 00:43:16,385 or is this just because you're a little nervous? 613 00:43:16,468 --> 00:43:19,638 I always smoke this much when I'm down here, baby. 614 00:43:22,141 --> 00:43:25,185 Honey, this is a fishing expedition. We'll either catch something or we won't. 615 00:43:25,269 --> 00:43:27,104 We're just kind of trolling. 616 00:43:29,398 --> 00:43:30,482 Um... 617 00:43:31,775 --> 00:43:33,944 Let's start all over. 618 00:43:34,028 --> 00:43:39,325 Randy wanted to talk about Marsha and how Marsha had died, 619 00:43:39,408 --> 00:43:41,910 and how we suspected that she was murdered. 620 00:43:44,413 --> 00:43:48,626 And could I make some highly irregular and very unofficial inquiries. 621 00:43:48,709 --> 00:43:52,254 And I did, and I really didn't come up with anything. I wish I had. 622 00:43:53,797 --> 00:43:55,007 Where do you wanna go? 623 00:43:55,090 --> 00:43:57,468 I want to park the van. We're gonna go talk to the girls. 624 00:43:57,551 --> 00:43:58,552 Yeah. 625 00:43:58,636 --> 00:44:01,722 You're gonna be out that back window with the camera. 626 00:44:02,931 --> 00:44:05,434 Close the door so the lights go off. 627 00:44:08,145 --> 00:44:12,191 You know, I asked around the piers and in the neighborhood. 628 00:44:12,274 --> 00:44:15,569 And asked around because I knew a lot of the girls 629 00:44:15,653 --> 00:44:17,279 that were just walking around, 630 00:44:17,363 --> 00:44:19,657 looking into matters on my own, or whatever. 631 00:44:24,453 --> 00:44:27,164 How long have you been involved in this? 632 00:44:27,247 --> 00:44:28,832 Twelve years. 633 00:44:29,583 --> 00:44:32,252 You're on the street, with no place to go and no money. 634 00:44:33,128 --> 00:44:35,964 Most of these girls are underage. 635 00:44:36,048 --> 00:44:39,718 Most of them are more throwaways than runaways. 636 00:44:42,137 --> 00:44:46,934 And the older ones are people like me that started out when we were young and... 637 00:44:47,017 --> 00:44:49,853 - You're a survivor, then. - Yes. 638 00:44:52,731 --> 00:44:56,068 I'm practically the only one still alive from the girls I first started with. 639 00:44:58,946 --> 00:45:01,115 What happened to most of them? 640 00:45:01,740 --> 00:45:04,535 Drug overdoses, suicides... 641 00:45:05,536 --> 00:45:08,664 murdered by johns, murdered by pimps. 642 00:45:08,747 --> 00:45:12,292 A lot of girls plain fucking disappear the way Marsha did. 643 00:45:13,293 --> 00:45:17,381 Marsha can't even be understood in 1992 without the context of... 644 00:45:17,464 --> 00:45:20,217 Dead trannies were literally washing up on the street. 645 00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:22,261 I mean, lying there dead, and... 646 00:45:24,471 --> 00:45:27,599 no interest shown whatsoever in doing a damn thing about it. 647 00:45:28,267 --> 00:45:30,352 You know more about this than I do. 648 00:45:47,578 --> 00:45:50,998 Before the Anti-Violence Project, this is where I worked 649 00:45:51,081 --> 00:45:56,920 from 1993 to 1996... 650 00:45:58,464 --> 00:46:02,634 until I was sexually assaulted and physically assaulted 651 00:46:02,718 --> 00:46:06,597 by nurses and aides in this building. 652 00:46:11,393 --> 00:46:15,898 Right after this happened, I couldn't feel the ground beneath me. 653 00:46:15,981 --> 00:46:21,111 And I would get up in the morning and just walk, walk and walk and walk. 654 00:46:23,572 --> 00:46:26,116 It was like I was walking in a daze, but when... 655 00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:28,577 I stopped there on Congress. 656 00:46:28,660 --> 00:46:32,289 I had a knife in my pocket 'cause I wanted to hurt them. 657 00:46:33,665 --> 00:46:37,628 What stopped me was that I was thinking about my mother, 658 00:46:37,711 --> 00:46:41,340 and how would she feel if I went to jail. 659 00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:47,888 It took me three days to get enough guts 'cause I was angry. 660 00:46:47,971 --> 00:46:50,682 And I finally made the call to AVP. 661 00:46:50,766 --> 00:46:55,187 And the person was so understanding and knew what I was going through. 662 00:46:56,980 --> 00:47:01,485 I spoke with her for over two hours of what I was feeling. 663 00:47:10,327 --> 00:47:13,330 The agency stood with me for a year 664 00:47:13,413 --> 00:47:16,792 that I kept on going into court, back and forth, 665 00:47:16,875 --> 00:47:19,628 case canceled, case postponed. 666 00:47:19,711 --> 00:47:22,965 And I felt supported, so I just wanted to give back. 667 00:47:23,048 --> 00:47:25,634 So, I volunteered for the Anti-Violence Project. 668 00:47:27,302 --> 00:47:31,807 Fortunately for me, a space opened up at administrative assistant, 669 00:47:31,890 --> 00:47:37,229 and from there I moved myself up to domestic violence counselor advocate. 670 00:47:38,355 --> 00:47:42,693 I helped myself, my family and the community. 671 00:47:45,654 --> 00:47:48,699 Was AVP involved with the investigation then? 672 00:47:48,782 --> 00:47:49,992 - Of Marsha's case? - Yeah. 673 00:47:50,075 --> 00:47:51,827 - Yes. - Okay, okay. Wow, okay. 674 00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:54,037 - We've been around since 1980. - Yeah. 675 00:47:54,121 --> 00:47:57,207 So, during that time, we were involved in the case, 676 00:47:57,291 --> 00:48:00,669 and here's some of the flyers that AVP had given out. 677 00:48:00,752 --> 00:48:03,839 That's Marsha. There's her death certificate. 678 00:48:03,922 --> 00:48:07,301 We haven't got the toxicology report or any pictures, or anything like that. 679 00:48:07,384 --> 00:48:11,555 That's what we're trying to get to see what condition the body was in, 680 00:48:11,638 --> 00:48:14,141 and if it says that she had a hole in the head. 681 00:48:14,224 --> 00:48:17,519 It sounds like a lot of people think it was a murder, 682 00:48:17,603 --> 00:48:18,895 - or that she was pushed. - Yeah. 683 00:48:18,979 --> 00:48:21,273 A lot of people think that it was foul play. 684 00:48:21,356 --> 00:48:23,567 But they first said it was suicide. 685 00:48:24,568 --> 00:48:27,070 Some people say she was giving things away, 686 00:48:27,154 --> 00:48:29,364 - and flowers and some of her clothing. - Yeah. 687 00:48:29,448 --> 00:48:33,577 I says, well, sometimes a person, when they're gonna commit suicide, 688 00:48:33,660 --> 00:48:35,203 - they give their things away. - Yeah. 689 00:48:35,287 --> 00:48:37,539 But then, at the same time, that's how she was all the time. 690 00:48:37,623 --> 00:48:39,916 - She was always giving... - She was always giving things away. 691 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,086 Somebody says, "I like your scarf." "Here, darling." 692 00:48:43,170 --> 00:48:46,798 She'd give 'em the scarf, or she would go around giving flowers. 693 00:48:46,882 --> 00:48:48,342 That's Marsha. 694 00:48:52,429 --> 00:48:56,391 She had too much to live for, like she was looking forward to Gay Pride. 695 00:48:56,475 --> 00:48:58,185 - She showed up at Pride... - Mmm-hmm. 696 00:48:58,268 --> 00:49:01,813 ...and was her old regal self, enjoyable self, and things like that. 697 00:49:01,897 --> 00:49:04,066 - Just normal Marsha. - Yeah. 698 00:49:04,149 --> 00:49:05,442 Marsha! 699 00:49:05,525 --> 00:49:07,027 - Marsha! - Marsha! 700 00:49:07,110 --> 00:49:09,863 But the police, they didn't pay it any mind. 701 00:49:09,946 --> 00:49:13,033 Something that they were accustomed to sweeping under the rug. 702 00:49:13,116 --> 00:49:14,701 Things that still go on. 703 00:49:15,327 --> 00:49:17,037 Nothing really has changed. 704 00:49:18,914 --> 00:49:23,752 No justice, no peace! 705 00:49:28,215 --> 00:49:29,925 So what's going on with this case? 706 00:49:30,008 --> 00:49:33,011 They're gonna get motions. They're getting set for motions. 707 00:49:33,095 --> 00:49:35,347 Then they're gonna jury selection on Monday. 708 00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:36,515 Okay, okay. 709 00:49:36,598 --> 00:49:40,936 You know, he confessed already twice, to the detective and to the witness. 710 00:49:41,019 --> 00:49:43,105 How much time do you think he's gonna get? 711 00:49:43,188 --> 00:49:44,272 Who knows? 712 00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:47,192 Back in the '70s, we went through all this crap. 713 00:49:47,275 --> 00:49:50,696 But back then, it's just that you didn't hear about all these killings. 714 00:49:52,072 --> 00:49:55,409 You didn't hear about it because now there's more media coverage. 715 00:49:55,492 --> 00:49:56,576 Right. That's true, yeah. 716 00:49:57,703 --> 00:50:01,123 I gotta text my honey. Sorry, I have some private business... 717 00:50:01,206 --> 00:50:04,793 - Oh, my God. A honey. - I'm in love with him. 718 00:50:04,876 --> 00:50:06,586 - You're in love with him? - Yes, I am. 719 00:50:06,670 --> 00:50:09,548 - You'll be sorry. - Why? Why do you say that? 720 00:50:10,841 --> 00:50:13,135 ♪ Foolish little girl Fickle little girl ♪ 721 00:50:13,218 --> 00:50:14,928 So, this is what I am, huh? 722 00:50:15,011 --> 00:50:17,848 ♪ You didn't want him when he wanted you ♪ 723 00:50:22,769 --> 00:50:28,775 ♪ Love don’t need a reason ♪ 724 00:50:28,859 --> 00:50:33,822 ♪ Love don’t always rhyme ♪ 725 00:50:33,905 --> 00:50:40,412 ♪ And love is all we have for now ♪ 726 00:50:40,495 --> 00:50:47,210 ♪ What we don’t have is time ♪ 727 00:50:49,129 --> 00:50:51,923 She tried to help through the AIDS epidemic. 728 00:50:52,007 --> 00:50:55,093 If you were sick, she'd sit right by you. 729 00:50:55,177 --> 00:50:58,930 She'd stop by and say, "Hey, are you okay? Do you need something?" 730 00:50:59,848 --> 00:51:02,225 She was helping a person survive. 731 00:51:05,312 --> 00:51:07,230 I always meet these young people 732 00:51:07,314 --> 00:51:10,734 that don't have nobody who wants to stick by them and help them. 733 00:51:10,817 --> 00:51:14,863 So I help them out with, like, a place to stay, 734 00:51:14,946 --> 00:51:18,575 or some food to eat, or a little change for their pockets. 735 00:51:18,658 --> 00:51:21,787 They don't call me "Pay It No Mind" Johnson for nothing. 736 00:51:22,913 --> 00:51:26,291 And you can't find another butterfly like that in life. 737 00:51:26,374 --> 00:51:28,919 She always changed from her cocoon. 738 00:51:29,002 --> 00:51:30,712 And you never knew what she was gonna wear. 739 00:51:30,796 --> 00:51:32,672 You never knew what she was gonna wear. 740 00:51:32,756 --> 00:51:35,967 Did you see this morning's treatment? Didn't you love that? 741 00:51:36,051 --> 00:51:37,469 What was this morning's treatment? 742 00:51:37,552 --> 00:51:39,471 With the little hairdo and everything. 743 00:51:39,554 --> 00:51:40,931 Did you see the fur coat I got her? 744 00:51:41,932 --> 00:51:44,184 There she is, Miss America. 745 00:51:44,267 --> 00:51:46,353 Well, tomorrow morning, I'll give you the breakfast treatment. 746 00:51:46,436 --> 00:51:48,605 - I'm fixing breakfast for ya. - Yes, yes, yes. 747 00:51:48,688 --> 00:51:52,150 - I'm gonna put on my Valentine outfit. - I love it. 748 00:51:52,234 --> 00:51:53,902 - And you're gonna be... - For breakfast? 749 00:51:53,985 --> 00:51:55,862 Yes, you're gonna be gagging. 750 00:51:57,072 --> 00:51:59,032 You'd be surprised how many gorgeous clothes 751 00:51:59,115 --> 00:52:01,952 Randy got around here for me that I don't even wear. 752 00:52:02,035 --> 00:52:04,287 Oh, the red velvet suit? 753 00:52:04,371 --> 00:52:07,374 Yes, and all the furs. 754 00:52:07,457 --> 00:52:09,584 We're gonna give you the treatment tomorrow morning, 755 00:52:09,668 --> 00:52:13,004 just to get your heart ready for heart failure. 756 00:52:28,895 --> 00:52:30,981 - Are you taping all this? - Yeah. 757 00:52:31,064 --> 00:52:32,607 - Right now? - Right. 758 00:52:32,691 --> 00:52:35,527 He's gonna try and write an article to try and help us. 759 00:52:35,610 --> 00:52:37,612 I'm trying to get some information 760 00:52:37,696 --> 00:52:39,531 about what's going on on West Street, 761 00:52:39,614 --> 00:52:42,951 with the police harassing everybody. 762 00:52:44,619 --> 00:52:46,746 In my whole time of having any dealings 763 00:52:46,830 --> 00:52:48,540 with the Sixth Precinct Vice Squad, 764 00:52:48,623 --> 00:52:50,959 these little creeps slapped me... 765 00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,420 threatened to kill me, 766 00:52:53,503 --> 00:52:56,298 told me right in the precinct, in front of everybody. 767 00:52:56,882 --> 00:53:00,093 The one with the glasses, he says, "What are you, a girl or a boy?" 768 00:53:01,970 --> 00:53:04,097 Next thing I knew, I was getting punched in my jaw. 769 00:53:06,433 --> 00:53:09,436 The first time, we was all on the corner, 770 00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:11,605 and somebody had just said, "Run." 771 00:53:11,688 --> 00:53:15,817 And they just started beating on me and kicking me in the chest. 772 00:53:15,901 --> 00:53:18,862 They do that to a lot of people that run. 773 00:53:18,945 --> 00:53:20,447 He pulled out his gun. 774 00:53:20,530 --> 00:53:23,366 He said, "If you come back down here, I'm gonna shoot you." 775 00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:26,161 Then the other cop said, "I oughta throw him in the water. 776 00:53:26,244 --> 00:53:28,538 But he might be too skinny. He might not hit the bottom." 777 00:53:28,622 --> 00:53:29,456 Yeah. 778 00:53:29,539 --> 00:53:32,709 They seem to believe that it is their job and duty 779 00:53:32,792 --> 00:53:36,671 to extricate all transvestites, to torture transvestites. 780 00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:48,308 How many trans murders did AVP record in 1992? 781 00:53:48,391 --> 00:53:51,895 That summer was the worst summer ever. 782 00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:56,274 We had many, many marches. We were demonstrating all the time, 783 00:53:56,358 --> 00:54:00,070 because that was a way to get public and police attention. 784 00:54:00,946 --> 00:54:04,074 But anti-LGBT violence was at a peak. 785 00:54:04,157 --> 00:54:08,870 That year we had 1,300 reports of bias crime. 786 00:54:08,954 --> 00:54:10,580 Some were from the police? 787 00:54:10,664 --> 00:54:13,917 Yeah. If you look at the annual reports there, 788 00:54:14,626 --> 00:54:18,463 you're gonna see, whatever, 12, 18% of those 789 00:54:18,546 --> 00:54:23,176 were based on violence perpetrated by police. 790 00:54:23,259 --> 00:54:25,595 Was this after or before Marsha's demise? 791 00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:32,394 It was going on before what happened to Marsha... 792 00:54:33,269 --> 00:54:34,980 and it went on for a long time. 793 00:54:35,855 --> 00:54:37,399 It's that whole period. 794 00:54:37,482 --> 00:54:39,317 We were sick at heart 795 00:54:39,401 --> 00:54:43,530 about this unrelenting wave of attacks, 796 00:54:43,613 --> 00:54:48,118 particularly given the circumstances surrounding Marsha's death. 797 00:55:12,225 --> 00:55:15,353 What was the community's relationship with the Sixth Precinct? 798 00:55:15,437 --> 00:55:17,814 It was not positive because 799 00:55:17,897 --> 00:55:22,193 it was not an adequate response from the police to all this violence. 800 00:55:22,277 --> 00:55:26,281 It wasn't an adequate response from One Police Plaza 801 00:55:26,364 --> 00:55:28,742 that went all the way down to the Sixth Precinct. 802 00:55:40,086 --> 00:55:42,547 They did not pay sufficient attention 803 00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:45,675 to crimes like what happened to Marsha. 804 00:55:46,885 --> 00:55:49,387 It was obvious that she had been murdered, 805 00:55:49,471 --> 00:55:55,185 and it was obvious that the police weren’t giving it the attention that it deserved. 806 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,212 I mean, I don't have any peace at home anymore, doll. 807 00:56:22,295 --> 00:56:27,425 My roommate Randy's really after the people from the Festival Committee. 808 00:56:27,509 --> 00:56:31,096 - Tommy, thank you. - You're welcome. 809 00:56:31,179 --> 00:56:33,556 I mean, he's doing this whole great big trip 810 00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,809 with all these organizations 811 00:56:35,892 --> 00:56:38,770 to change all these people around lately. 812 00:56:41,397 --> 00:56:43,650 Which can get you murdered, you know. 813 00:56:45,944 --> 00:56:49,322 Honey, and wait until they get ahold of you for taking their money away. 814 00:56:49,405 --> 00:56:51,407 Randy tried to put me in the middle of it. 815 00:56:51,491 --> 00:56:54,911 I tell him I don't bite my tongue for nobody. 816 00:56:54,994 --> 00:56:57,247 I tell him I don’t want to be bothered. 817 00:56:57,330 --> 00:57:03,211 So, honey, we're wondering when the Mob is gonna come with the bullets. 818 00:57:03,294 --> 00:57:04,963 I understand you. 819 00:57:05,713 --> 00:57:08,091 And when the Mob comes, darling, they say, 820 00:57:08,174 --> 00:57:11,302 "Why are you giving out these flyers? What do you got against us?" 821 00:57:11,386 --> 00:57:14,139 "Oh, I don’t have anything against youse. 822 00:57:14,222 --> 00:57:16,474 It's just that my roommate suspects... 823 00:57:17,642 --> 00:57:21,438 that youse have been racketeering and stuff." 824 00:57:47,046 --> 00:57:49,007 Hi, my name is Randy Wicker. 825 00:57:49,674 --> 00:57:51,468 I have started the campaign 826 00:57:51,551 --> 00:57:55,138 to expose and replace the Christopher Street Festival Committee. 827 00:58:01,102 --> 00:58:02,770 I'm tired of shady operators running 828 00:58:02,854 --> 00:58:05,482 the Christopher Street Festival on Gay Pride Day. 829 00:58:05,565 --> 00:58:08,026 Where do all those festival dollars go? 830 00:58:10,653 --> 00:58:15,450 The Christopher Street Festival Committee is widely rumored to be Mob-controlled. 831 00:58:15,533 --> 00:58:18,870 We're gonna take this festival back, run it for our community. 832 00:58:18,953 --> 00:58:20,246 Take back the day. 833 00:58:24,042 --> 00:58:27,045 Remember this event here, Take Back the Day? 834 00:58:27,128 --> 00:58:28,963 Where Randy was trying to take back 835 00:58:29,047 --> 00:58:32,258 the Christopher Street Festival from the Mob? 836 00:58:40,266 --> 00:58:43,853 I remember he had signs about it. It was a... 837 00:58:45,271 --> 00:58:48,900 concern with him. I don't remember a particular day. 838 00:58:48,983 --> 00:58:51,361 Who was running the Christopher Street Festival 839 00:58:51,444 --> 00:58:53,696 during that time that you remember? 840 00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,368 If you take charge and make a logical decision, people will follow. 841 00:58:59,953 --> 00:59:04,916 Heritage of Pride would organize the annual march, rally and dance. 842 00:59:04,999 --> 00:59:09,254 And we'd march downtown along Fifth Avenue, into the Village. 843 00:59:11,464 --> 00:59:16,970 In the Village, there was the annual Christopher Street Liberation Festival, 844 00:59:17,887 --> 00:59:21,933 which was basically booths and meat on a stick, 845 00:59:22,016 --> 00:59:24,394 and your standard street festival. 846 00:59:25,853 --> 00:59:29,190 The guys who ran the festival were Ed Murphy, 847 00:59:29,274 --> 00:59:33,069 who had been a bouncer at the Stonewall, and his friend Red Mahoney. 848 00:59:33,152 --> 00:59:35,071 And Red Mahoney was his... 849 00:59:36,030 --> 00:59:37,532 you know, um... 850 00:59:38,992 --> 00:59:40,451 assistant. 851 00:59:41,035 --> 00:59:46,207 They worked for whatever part of the Mafia ran the gay bars at the time. 852 00:59:46,958 --> 00:59:50,253 They did their thing and we did ours, and... 853 00:59:50,336 --> 00:59:52,422 The reason I'm bringing this up is because 854 00:59:52,505 --> 00:59:55,967 Marsha would go around saying the Mob was after her. 855 00:59:56,050 --> 01:00:00,513 - That's why I'm asking these questions. - I can see getting that upset. 856 01:00:00,597 --> 01:00:03,182 But the gay bar business wasn't gonna be 857 01:00:03,266 --> 01:00:05,268 where you put your folks who could shoot well, 858 01:00:05,351 --> 01:00:08,146 and it wasn't where you put folks who could run the business. 859 01:00:08,229 --> 01:00:12,525 It was what you did with the idiot nephew who wasn't capable of being a mobster. 860 01:00:12,609 --> 01:00:18,364 He was capable of showing up and getting whatever percentage at the door he got, 861 01:00:18,448 --> 01:00:20,825 and selling overpriced toilet paper. 862 01:00:21,576 --> 01:00:26,623 Well, Randy Wicker hired Sam Ciccone 863 01:00:26,706 --> 01:00:29,208 to do an investigation, 864 01:00:29,292 --> 01:00:33,254 and there was some guy named Jacques Garon. 865 01:00:33,338 --> 01:00:37,091 A couple of the accusations being made about the Festival Committee 866 01:00:37,175 --> 01:00:39,761 is that it's backed by some of the Mob. 867 01:00:39,844 --> 01:00:44,390 Two, you're making a lot of money and profit off this thing 868 01:00:44,474 --> 01:00:46,726 and nothing goes back to the gay community. 869 01:00:46,809 --> 01:00:49,520 The first thing is about the Mob connection. 870 01:00:49,604 --> 01:00:52,482 That rumor has been going on for centuries. 871 01:00:52,565 --> 01:00:54,233 I've been in the committee for seven years 872 01:00:54,317 --> 01:00:56,277 and I've never seen any Mob connection, 873 01:00:56,361 --> 01:00:58,488 'cause I wouldn't be involved if that would be the case. 874 01:00:58,571 --> 01:01:01,574 Number two, as far as making a lot of money? God, I wish. 875 01:01:01,658 --> 01:01:04,577 The only money that we get 876 01:01:04,661 --> 01:01:09,332 is through the sale of the booths on Christopher Street on Friday. 877 01:01:09,415 --> 01:01:11,167 And what happens with that money? 878 01:01:11,250 --> 01:01:13,544 That money is given back in many ways. 879 01:01:13,628 --> 01:01:16,089 We help a lot of people throughout the year. 880 01:01:16,172 --> 01:01:19,717 We don't make a big issue out of it because we don't want to. 881 01:01:19,801 --> 01:01:23,262 It's outrageous that these kind of people, Jacques Garon and Red Mahoney, 882 01:01:23,346 --> 01:01:26,891 are running our particular event. 883 01:01:26,974 --> 01:01:29,811 I say that we're gonna take this festival back. 884 01:01:29,894 --> 01:01:31,771 We'll run it for our community. 885 01:01:31,854 --> 01:01:33,898 We have nothing to fear but fear itself. 886 01:01:33,981 --> 01:01:37,193 This is Randy Wicker saying keep the faith. 887 01:01:37,276 --> 01:01:40,446 Randy was good at antagonizing people. 888 01:01:40,530 --> 01:01:44,492 But why stop at knocking off Marsha? Why not punish Randy? 889 01:01:55,420 --> 01:01:57,130 - Okay. - All right. 890 01:01:57,213 --> 01:01:59,424 Here we go. Here we are again. 891 01:02:06,264 --> 01:02:09,517 - Number seven. - Call log, that's what you're looking for? 892 01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:13,646 Yeah, call logs. To see if there's anything we've missed. 893 01:02:15,064 --> 01:02:19,068 Maybe it's one of those two boxes there. Shit, wouldn’t you know it. 894 01:02:19,861 --> 01:02:20,945 What's this here? 895 01:02:21,028 --> 01:02:23,406 - Ms. Vicky, do you need help? - Nah. 896 01:02:23,489 --> 01:02:25,032 Look, Ms. Vicky. 897 01:02:25,116 --> 01:02:26,868 Wait a minute. 898 01:02:28,703 --> 01:02:29,954 Here it is. 899 01:02:30,037 --> 01:02:31,622 - Found it? - Yeah. 900 01:02:39,756 --> 01:02:41,048 Okay. 901 01:02:54,896 --> 01:02:59,066 "Received a call. Do you know Randy Wicker? 902 01:03:01,694 --> 01:03:06,574 Tell Randy Wicker to leave Jacques Garon, Red Mahoney and... 903 01:03:06,657 --> 01:03:09,577 did not get name... alone, 904 01:03:09,660 --> 01:03:14,499 or what happened to Marsha Johnson will happen to him." 905 01:03:16,250 --> 01:03:17,543 Shit. 906 01:03:30,348 --> 01:03:32,600 It was a very chilling phone call, 907 01:03:32,683 --> 01:03:37,104 particularly given the circumstances surrounding Marsha's death 908 01:03:37,188 --> 01:03:40,817 and everything that was going on with the Festival Committee. 909 01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:44,111 And then... I don't know if this happened the same day. 910 01:03:44,737 --> 01:03:49,242 You received a call from a Rodger McFarlane 911 01:03:49,325 --> 01:03:52,411 and he said he remembered seeing Marsha 912 01:03:52,495 --> 01:03:58,292 on the fifth at 4:00 a.m. in the morning on 22nd Street. 913 01:03:58,376 --> 01:04:01,128 He said that Marsha was kind of terrified 914 01:04:01,212 --> 01:04:05,883 and was being followed by two guys going west to the river. 915 01:04:05,967 --> 01:04:09,428 - Was that reported to the police? - That was reported to the police. 916 01:04:09,512 --> 01:04:12,890 'Cause that determines someone saw Marsha on the fifth, 917 01:04:12,974 --> 01:04:15,434 and her body was found on the sixth. 918 01:04:16,227 --> 01:04:19,313 We made that statement publicly known. 919 01:04:19,897 --> 01:04:22,149 It was up to the police to follow up on it. 920 01:04:22,233 --> 01:04:25,862 Right. Then that would tie in about Randy taking on the Mob, 921 01:04:25,945 --> 01:04:30,950 the call that you got of Marsha being followed and her death. 922 01:04:31,033 --> 01:04:33,953 Well, those pieces certainly fit together. 923 01:04:35,872 --> 01:04:37,373 There's all these pieces here 924 01:04:37,456 --> 01:04:42,587 that point to exactly what we were saying back then, that... 925 01:04:43,379 --> 01:04:45,381 Marsha did not die by suicide. 926 01:04:46,674 --> 01:04:48,509 In any other community, 927 01:04:48,593 --> 01:04:53,389 had a similar hero been found dead 928 01:04:53,472 --> 01:04:55,975 under unclear circumstances, 929 01:04:56,893 --> 01:05:02,565 it seems self-evident that the city would have put real resources behind it 930 01:05:02,648 --> 01:05:04,650 to try to figure out what happened. 931 01:05:22,793 --> 01:05:24,712 Cold Case Squad, Detective Litwin. Can I help you? 932 01:05:24,795 --> 01:05:27,757 Yes, good afternoon, Detective Litwin. It's Victoria Cruz. 933 01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:29,759 - Hi, how are you? - Very well, thank you. 934 01:05:29,842 --> 01:05:32,303 - And yourself? - Very good, thank you. 935 01:05:32,386 --> 01:05:37,683 Okay, I know that you had spoken to a couple of retired detectives, 936 01:05:37,767 --> 01:05:42,605 and they called me because I investigated this case about two years ago. 937 01:05:42,688 --> 01:05:46,442 And I'm not gonna say she committed suicide, 938 01:05:46,525 --> 01:05:51,280 but there's no credible evidence that she was murdered. None. 939 01:05:51,364 --> 01:05:53,908 Let me ask you a question. 940 01:05:53,991 --> 01:05:58,621 Did the police ever record the threats made to Randy Wicker? 941 01:05:58,704 --> 01:06:01,749 That's never come up at all. I don't have any record of that. 942 01:06:01,832 --> 01:06:05,920 So I can't really say anything on that. 943 01:06:06,003 --> 01:06:08,547 Did AVP ever pass that on to the police department? 944 01:06:08,631 --> 01:06:10,299 They said they did. 945 01:06:10,383 --> 01:06:11,926 And what about the sighting of Marsha 946 01:06:12,009 --> 01:06:15,680 on the fifth at 4:00 a.m. in the morning on 22nd Street? 947 01:06:16,430 --> 01:06:20,559 She was kind of frightened because there were two men following her 948 01:06:20,643 --> 01:06:23,729 as she was rushing down towards the Hudson River. 949 01:06:23,813 --> 01:06:27,942 Do you know if the police ever recorded two males following her? 950 01:06:28,025 --> 01:06:30,820 - I see no record of that in the case. - You see no record? 951 01:06:30,903 --> 01:06:35,449 No, there was never anything conveyed to the police 952 01:06:35,533 --> 01:06:39,120 about her being seen on the fifth and being followed. 953 01:06:39,203 --> 01:06:41,414 So, that's new to me. 954 01:07:28,002 --> 01:07:30,463 - So how you been? - Pretty good. 955 01:07:30,546 --> 01:07:33,424 Okay, listen. 956 01:07:33,507 --> 01:07:38,971 I have a couple of questions to ask you because all the, um... 957 01:07:40,723 --> 01:07:43,684 - All that we've been finding out... - Right. 958 01:07:43,768 --> 01:07:45,770 ...points to the Mob. 959 01:07:47,146 --> 01:07:48,481 Okay. 960 01:07:48,564 --> 01:07:50,649 What do you know about that? 961 01:07:50,733 --> 01:07:52,151 So, Marsha... 962 01:07:53,486 --> 01:07:58,949 apparently had a fear about the Mob or the Mafia. 963 01:07:59,533 --> 01:08:01,494 - And I don't... - Because? 964 01:08:01,577 --> 01:08:06,040 Because I was investigating the Christopher Street Festival Committee. 965 01:08:06,123 --> 01:08:10,336 Have you and Marsha ever had a conversation about this subject? 966 01:08:10,419 --> 01:08:13,881 Of you taking on the Christopher Street Festival and the Mob? 967 01:08:13,964 --> 01:08:18,260 Maybe that's why she didn't wanna go home. She thought she was in danger. 968 01:08:19,804 --> 01:08:23,891 She probably raised the issue with me about what I was doing. 969 01:08:23,974 --> 01:08:25,309 I don't remember that. 970 01:08:25,392 --> 01:08:27,895 But if she had, I would've laughed at it, 971 01:08:27,978 --> 01:08:30,564 because to me it was just a political fight. 972 01:08:30,648 --> 01:08:33,234 I don't think of political fights as being heavy duty, 973 01:08:33,317 --> 01:08:36,862 where they murder your roommate because they don't like what you're doing. 974 01:08:37,863 --> 01:08:44,078 Heritage of Pride tried to get control of the Festival a couple years before I did, 975 01:08:44,161 --> 01:08:45,871 and they were threatened. 976 01:08:45,955 --> 01:08:47,665 - By whom? - By the Mob. 977 01:08:48,958 --> 01:08:54,046 They told me, "Randy, don't do this. We tried to do it and we were threatened." 978 01:08:54,130 --> 01:08:56,757 And I said, "Well, I'm gonna do it." 979 01:08:56,841 --> 01:09:02,429 Well, on July 28th, they've made a threat to you. 980 01:09:06,016 --> 01:09:07,101 Here. 981 01:09:08,018 --> 01:09:12,982 At 5:55 on the 28th, just five minutes before AVP closes, 982 01:09:13,065 --> 01:09:16,235 my informant gets this call. "Do you know Randy Wicker?" 983 01:09:16,318 --> 01:09:18,154 Matt said, "Yes." Then he said, 984 01:09:18,237 --> 01:09:23,033 "Tell Randy to leave Jacques Garon, Red Mahoney," 985 01:09:23,117 --> 01:09:25,953 and another person who did not get named, 986 01:09:26,036 --> 01:09:30,541 "alone or what happened to Marsha Johnson will happen to him." 987 01:09:30,624 --> 01:09:32,001 And the person hung up. 988 01:09:32,084 --> 01:09:33,669 Oh, God. 989 01:09:38,799 --> 01:09:43,596 I am sure that he did not tell me that. I'm willing to bet you now... 990 01:09:43,679 --> 01:09:46,348 So, you were never threatened when you took them on? 991 01:09:47,266 --> 01:09:50,686 No. I never... Who would forget that? 992 01:09:53,647 --> 01:09:57,276 When people would tell me things about the Mob and whatever, 993 01:09:57,359 --> 01:09:58,944 I was the one that just... 994 01:10:00,321 --> 01:10:03,699 Don't go there, you know. I was actually... 995 01:10:03,782 --> 01:10:06,702 I look at it now, I realize I was really in heavy denial. 996 01:10:07,411 --> 01:10:09,413 That might've been why she ended up staying out, 997 01:10:09,496 --> 01:10:12,333 and why staying out, she winded... 998 01:10:12,416 --> 01:10:16,587 Instead of being home and safe in Hoboken, you know, with me, 999 01:10:16,670 --> 01:10:19,048 and the dog, you know, and our family. 1000 01:10:19,131 --> 01:10:20,799 Could I say you're blaming yourself for it? 1001 01:10:20,883 --> 01:10:24,428 Yeah, I think that... I mean, it really bothers me. 1002 01:10:24,511 --> 01:10:26,555 I mean, I didn't know that. 1003 01:10:43,614 --> 01:10:45,574 This is a beautiful turnout. 1004 01:10:45,658 --> 01:10:47,743 And she's gonna be so proud. 1005 01:10:47,826 --> 01:10:52,331 And remember that the last name... The middle name is Marsha P. Johnson, 1006 01:10:52,414 --> 01:10:56,418 and the P stands for "Pay It No Mind" Johnson! 1007 01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:05,970 ♪ A band of angels Coming for me ♪ 1008 01:11:06,053 --> 01:11:11,475 ♪ Comin' for to carry me home ♪ 1009 01:11:12,351 --> 01:11:17,690 ♪ Swing low, sweet chariot ♪ 1010 01:11:17,773 --> 01:11:22,945 ♪ Comin' for to carry me home ♪ 1011 01:11:23,028 --> 01:11:28,867 ♪ Swing low, sweet chariot ♪ 1012 01:11:28,951 --> 01:11:34,373 ♪ Comin' for to carry me home ♪ 1013 01:11:34,456 --> 01:11:40,754 ♪ If you get there before I do ♪ 1014 01:11:40,838 --> 01:11:45,884 ♪ Comin' for to carry me home ♪ 1015 01:11:45,968 --> 01:11:52,391 ♪ Tell all my friends I'll be there soon ♪ 1016 01:11:52,474 --> 01:11:57,563 ♪ Comin' for to carry me home ♪ 1017 01:11:57,646 --> 01:12:03,736 ♪ Swing low, sweet chariot ♪ 1018 01:12:03,819 --> 01:12:06,238 ♪ Comin' for to carry me home ♪ 1019 01:12:06,322 --> 01:12:10,409 Thank you all. Thank you so much. Marsha thanks you all. 1020 01:12:11,118 --> 01:12:13,537 - Yeah, Randy! - Thank you, Randy. 1021 01:12:13,620 --> 01:12:16,832 - Bravo, Marsha! - Bravo, Marsha! 1022 01:12:16,915 --> 01:12:20,169 ♪ Comin' for to carry me home ♪ 1023 01:12:20,252 --> 01:12:27,176 ♪ Swing low, sweet chariot ♪ 1024 01:12:27,259 --> 01:12:33,432 ♪ Comin' for to carry me home ♪ 1025 01:12:58,582 --> 01:13:00,334 How long have you lived here? 1026 01:13:00,417 --> 01:13:07,049 I've been here since a week before Gay Pride Day this year. 1027 01:13:08,050 --> 01:13:09,927 This is my little house. 1028 01:13:13,514 --> 01:13:16,141 When I got that telegram that Marsha was dead... 1029 01:13:16,934 --> 01:13:19,228 part of me went with her 1030 01:13:19,311 --> 01:13:24,108 because one of our pacts was that we would always cross River Jordan together. 1031 01:13:24,191 --> 01:13:28,278 And to me, this is the River Jordan. The Hudson River. 1032 01:13:28,362 --> 01:13:30,781 And that's when I started reaching for the bottle 1033 01:13:30,864 --> 01:13:32,783 more heavily than I was doing. 1034 01:13:40,958 --> 01:13:43,293 After Marsha's death... 1035 01:13:46,171 --> 01:13:48,632 I came back to New York City. 1036 01:14:07,484 --> 01:14:09,194 We are your history! 1037 01:14:13,157 --> 01:14:16,660 She's not here, but she's here in spirit, Marsha P. Johnson. 1038 01:14:16,743 --> 01:14:19,413 - She's always... - Yeah. She'll always be with me. 1039 01:14:19,496 --> 01:14:20,622 Always. 1040 01:14:20,706 --> 01:14:23,208 She'll always be in the front of this parade. 1041 01:14:38,557 --> 01:14:40,017 Let's put Marsh there. 1042 01:14:41,185 --> 01:14:42,895 Can't forget Marsh. 1043 01:14:58,911 --> 01:15:00,037 Records, Ms. Henry. 1044 01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,581 Hi, good afternoon, Ms. Henry. My name is Victoria. 1045 01:15:02,664 --> 01:15:06,126 I sent an inquiry in reference to getting, um, 1046 01:15:06,210 --> 01:15:09,546 the medical examiner's records from a case back in '92, 1047 01:15:09,630 --> 01:15:11,507 and I was just wondering if you've received it. 1048 01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:14,927 Okay, Victoria, I'm getting ready to send you a letter 1049 01:15:15,010 --> 01:15:19,765 to say that, as of now, our office can't locate this case file. 1050 01:15:21,266 --> 01:15:24,019 - You can't locate the case file? - That's right. 1051 01:15:25,521 --> 01:15:27,564 Any particular reason that it's not locatable? 1052 01:15:27,648 --> 01:15:32,152 I don't know. It's not in archives and it's not in the container. 1053 01:15:32,819 --> 01:15:34,613 That's kind of strange. 1054 01:15:34,696 --> 01:15:37,199 These things do happen every now and again. 1055 01:15:39,034 --> 01:15:42,788 Did some other department check that out or your department did? 1056 01:15:42,871 --> 01:15:47,084 It's my department only that has custody of those case files. 1057 01:15:47,167 --> 01:15:48,919 And... 1058 01:15:49,002 --> 01:15:53,882 And then in all your 1992 cases, the only file that's missing is that one? 1059 01:15:53,966 --> 01:15:56,176 I wouldn't say that. 1060 01:15:56,260 --> 01:15:59,471 I've never said that, and I will never say that. 1061 01:15:59,555 --> 01:16:03,016 - You searched personally? - Yes. Correct. 1062 01:16:04,810 --> 01:16:08,772 And who can I speak to more or less to get something really done on this case? 1063 01:16:09,940 --> 01:16:11,984 I don't know who to tell you. 1064 01:16:16,947 --> 01:16:20,534 We're here today to support justice for Islan Nettles. 1065 01:16:20,617 --> 01:16:23,203 Today will be the start to the trial at 9:30. 1066 01:16:23,287 --> 01:16:27,499 We're hoping that the outcome of the trial, whenever trial ends, 1067 01:16:27,583 --> 01:16:29,835 is gonna be the maximum sentence for James Dixon, 1068 01:16:29,918 --> 01:16:32,796 the person accused of killing Islan Nettles. 1069 01:16:32,879 --> 01:16:34,631 That maximum sentence is 25 years, 1070 01:16:34,715 --> 01:16:37,467 and that's what we're asking the DA to ask the judge for. 1071 01:16:43,265 --> 01:16:45,225 You've been following Marsha's case. 1072 01:16:45,309 --> 01:16:49,271 So what has, like, this case... Has it helped to bring some light 1073 01:16:49,354 --> 01:16:52,524 to past cases of violence against transgender people? 1074 01:16:52,608 --> 01:16:53,609 No. On the contrary. 1075 01:16:53,692 --> 01:16:56,570 Just as most cases that come up against trans women, 1076 01:16:56,653 --> 01:16:58,363 they plead the panic defense, 1077 01:16:58,447 --> 01:17:01,491 or they just think they can brush it under the rug, 1078 01:17:01,575 --> 01:17:03,493 and people will pay no mind to it. 1079 01:17:03,577 --> 01:17:07,456 Can you actually speak a little bit more to this panic defense? 1080 01:17:07,539 --> 01:17:10,792 The panic defense? Well, they didn't know she was a trans woman. 1081 01:17:10,876 --> 01:17:15,631 There was a case back in '97, Fitzgerald case. 1082 01:17:15,714 --> 01:17:19,426 Picked up this person in a gay bar, male gay bar, 1083 01:17:19,509 --> 01:17:21,136 and took them home. 1084 01:17:21,219 --> 01:17:24,139 In court, he didn't know she was a trans woman. 1085 01:17:24,222 --> 01:17:27,768 The person was stabbed multiple times, and he got off. 1086 01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:32,356 Pleaded panic defense. Just like now, in the Nettles case. 1087 01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:35,233 He claimed he panicked. That's his defense. 1088 01:17:45,369 --> 01:17:47,079 The West Side Highway is due for a fix-up. 1089 01:17:47,162 --> 01:17:48,580 It's been a long time coming. 1090 01:17:48,664 --> 01:17:50,916 There are concerns about uprooting some people there. 1091 01:17:50,999 --> 01:17:53,460 The homeless will be asked to move tomorrow morning at 8:00 a.m. 1092 01:17:53,543 --> 01:17:55,921 The plans call for the Hudson River Boulevard, 1093 01:17:56,004 --> 01:17:59,966 trees, traffic for seven lanes and paths for bikers, joggers and skaters. 1094 01:18:00,050 --> 01:18:03,553 The homeless will have to pack up their few possessions and get out. 1095 01:18:03,637 --> 01:18:05,681 There's a sense of anger and desperation here 1096 01:18:05,764 --> 01:18:09,351 for about 30 homeless people who call Pier 54 their home. 1097 01:18:09,434 --> 01:18:13,522 What about going to a shelter, or getting some of the services that are available? 1098 01:18:13,605 --> 01:18:15,273 Is that not an option for you? 1099 01:18:15,357 --> 01:18:18,443 The city shelters are not safe. 1100 01:18:18,527 --> 01:18:21,655 - Do you feel like it's safer here? - Yes. 1101 01:18:22,989 --> 01:18:27,327 It's called a sweep. Not even a fucking eviction. 1102 01:18:27,411 --> 01:18:30,872 A sweep. Like we're trash. 1103 01:18:53,854 --> 01:18:58,275 There's so many fucking buildings in this fucking Manhattan, 1104 01:18:58,358 --> 01:19:02,821 and they can't give up a fucking building to fucking... 1105 01:19:04,030 --> 01:19:09,453 maybe 15 people that will go in and try to re-renovate it? 1106 01:19:09,536 --> 01:19:13,540 Marsha and I did it back in the '70s on our own. 1107 01:19:16,293 --> 01:19:19,921 Yeah, I'm crazy, because the world has made me crazy. 1108 01:19:21,798 --> 01:19:24,509 Don't be going in my house! 1109 01:19:24,593 --> 01:19:27,345 Excuse me, don't be going in my house! 1110 01:20:23,401 --> 01:20:26,696 Well, Marsha, we tried. That's all I can say. 1111 01:21:16,663 --> 01:21:20,208 - Hi, Ms. Henry. - A package was mailed out to you. 1112 01:21:20,292 --> 01:21:22,919 Okay, so you mailed us the autopsy report. 1113 01:21:23,003 --> 01:21:27,132 I mailed you whatever I was able to put together, okay? 1114 01:21:27,215 --> 01:21:29,676 So, we'll be receiving it in the near future? 1115 01:21:29,759 --> 01:21:31,761 - Yes. - Okay. 1116 01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:34,681 Thank you. You've been most helpful. 1117 01:21:39,728 --> 01:21:41,730 - Hi, Eddie. Come on in. - Hi. 1118 01:21:43,064 --> 01:21:45,984 - Did you bring the report? - Yeah. 1119 01:21:46,568 --> 01:21:50,572 Okay, Ms. Henry said it was only partial. Is it a big envelope? 1120 01:21:50,655 --> 01:21:51,907 It's kind of heavy. 1121 01:21:52,699 --> 01:21:54,826 This looks flimsy. 1122 01:21:56,953 --> 01:21:59,748 "Office of the Medical Examiner, City of New York, 1123 01:21:59,831 --> 01:22:04,210 have performed an autopsy on the body of Malcolm Michaels 1124 01:22:04,294 --> 01:22:09,633 on the 7th day of July, 1992, at 1:30 p.m." 1125 01:22:10,425 --> 01:22:12,510 But they classified it as drowning at first, 1126 01:22:12,594 --> 01:22:17,140 but then they circled "possible homicide." Like, here. 1127 01:22:18,725 --> 01:22:21,978 It looks like they found a lot of discoloration, 1128 01:22:22,062 --> 01:22:25,315 but no evidence of trauma. 1129 01:22:25,398 --> 01:22:27,275 - Does that sound right? - No trauma on the skull. Yeah. 1130 01:22:27,359 --> 01:22:31,279 "There is a sub... Uh..." 1131 01:22:32,864 --> 01:22:34,282 I don't know what the fuck this word is. 1132 01:22:35,825 --> 01:22:38,286 Maybe we should look at another examiner's look at them. 1133 01:22:38,370 --> 01:22:43,291 - Or get... Right, get somebody... - Have a professional look at this autopsy. 1134 01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,461 - Dr. Kildare. - Doctor... Who's that? 1135 01:22:46,544 --> 01:22:48,213 He was before your time. 1136 01:22:49,631 --> 01:22:53,969 "Images of photos on CD." 1137 01:23:05,397 --> 01:23:06,690 Okay. 1138 01:23:11,903 --> 01:23:13,989 Oh, God. 1139 01:23:15,824 --> 01:23:17,283 Oh. 1140 01:23:28,378 --> 01:23:32,173 What we have here is an unwitnessed drowning. 1141 01:23:33,049 --> 01:23:37,387 She went into the water while still alive and breathing. 1142 01:23:37,470 --> 01:23:40,890 It wasn't a situation where death occurred someplace else, 1143 01:23:40,974 --> 01:23:44,269 by whatever means... 1144 01:23:44,352 --> 01:23:47,772 and then put in the water. 1145 01:23:49,065 --> 01:23:51,526 Whether she's pushed in, 1146 01:23:51,609 --> 01:23:54,863 whether she's being chased and falls accidentally, 1147 01:23:55,447 --> 01:23:59,284 we can't tell from the autopsy. That depends on the police investigation. 1148 01:23:59,367 --> 01:24:01,745 Could you rule out a violent assault? 1149 01:24:01,828 --> 01:24:04,372 Yes, there's no evidence there of violent assault. 1150 01:24:05,540 --> 01:24:09,711 There was no injury, no impact injury, to any part of her body. 1151 01:24:09,794 --> 01:24:15,258 There was no fracture of the skull, there was no damage to the brain at all. 1152 01:24:15,967 --> 01:24:17,343 What about the hole in the head? 1153 01:24:18,303 --> 01:24:22,015 Well, the body gets injured after death... 1154 01:24:22,098 --> 01:24:25,351 - Okay. - ...by floating debris and all that. 1155 01:24:25,435 --> 01:24:29,731 And the body starts breaking apart faster in warmer water. 1156 01:24:29,814 --> 01:24:32,525 So what looks like a gash on the left side, 1157 01:24:32,609 --> 01:24:34,944 - is really just the peeling of skin. - Okay. 1158 01:24:35,028 --> 01:24:38,073 But it's just normal separation of skin. 1159 01:24:41,826 --> 01:24:44,204 I don't think it was a suicide. 1160 01:24:44,287 --> 01:24:46,748 It could've been an accident. It could've... 1161 01:24:46,831 --> 01:24:48,875 They said the pier was dilapidated. 1162 01:24:48,958 --> 01:24:51,503 He could've stepped through a hole in the pier. 1163 01:24:51,586 --> 01:24:54,380 Or people could have been following him, 1164 01:24:54,464 --> 01:24:59,010 and because there was no evidence of any type of trauma to the body, 1165 01:24:59,094 --> 01:25:01,096 that don't mean they beat him up and threw him in the water. 1166 01:25:01,179 --> 01:25:04,974 They could've chased him, scared him, and he also fell through the pier. 1167 01:25:05,058 --> 01:25:08,061 Yes, that certainly brings up the issue of homicide, 1168 01:25:08,144 --> 01:25:10,230 because if somebody's being chased... 1169 01:25:11,314 --> 01:25:13,191 and runs in front of a car, 1170 01:25:13,274 --> 01:25:18,196 or accidentally falls into the water, runs into the water, 1171 01:25:18,279 --> 01:25:20,448 that would be called a homicide. 1172 01:25:20,532 --> 01:25:24,953 Well, we have documentation where she was frantic, being followed. 1173 01:25:25,036 --> 01:25:29,207 Credible person giving this report to our agency, 1174 01:25:29,290 --> 01:25:31,668 and then wasn't even investigated. 1175 01:25:36,297 --> 01:25:37,882 Well, there's no, um... 1176 01:25:39,259 --> 01:25:44,222 statute of limitation on homicide, and that goes beyond my pay grade. 1177 01:25:55,441 --> 01:25:57,110 Something's wrong. 1178 01:25:57,986 --> 01:26:02,323 We keep on running into a brick wall whenever we deal with the city. 1179 01:26:02,407 --> 01:26:05,785 Every time I spoke to a cop, and they just brushed me off. 1180 01:26:05,869 --> 01:26:06,995 Something's wrong. 1181 01:26:07,078 --> 01:26:10,790 Every time I made a call, "You have to do this and this and this." 1182 01:26:10,874 --> 01:26:12,000 Something's wrong. 1183 01:26:13,418 --> 01:26:15,336 Why this particular case? 1184 01:26:16,337 --> 01:26:20,008 I think maybe we should go up one step higher, 1185 01:26:20,091 --> 01:26:24,137 and maybe seek some assistance from someplace outside of New York City 1186 01:26:24,220 --> 01:26:27,223 to just look over what we have here. 1187 01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:33,104 You know, it's obvious that the police are not cooperating with this. 1188 01:26:33,188 --> 01:26:36,774 Well, we don't have an endless pot 1189 01:26:36,858 --> 01:26:40,737 of people or time or resources. 1190 01:26:40,820 --> 01:26:44,782 And so, I'm not really sure what is involved in that. 1191 01:26:44,866 --> 01:26:51,206 You know, just today, you all were at the trial for Islan Nettles. 1192 01:26:51,289 --> 01:26:54,000 I mean, there are so many cases, 1193 01:26:54,083 --> 01:26:58,796 and so many have not had any resolution. 1194 01:26:59,505 --> 01:27:05,386 We've had, in the last couple of months, a number of murders across the country. 1195 01:27:05,470 --> 01:27:08,014 When trans lives are under attack, what do we do? 1196 01:27:08,097 --> 01:27:09,474 Stand up, fight back. 1197 01:27:10,099 --> 01:27:12,060 Eight transgender women across the country 1198 01:27:12,143 --> 01:27:13,853 have been murdered in the last 34 days. 1199 01:27:13,937 --> 01:27:16,940 There have been more than 400 people murdered in the past decade. 1200 01:27:17,023 --> 01:27:19,692 Transgender women face the most severe violence 1201 01:27:19,776 --> 01:27:21,903 within the LGBTQ community. 1202 01:27:21,986 --> 01:27:24,948 A transgender woman was found strangled to death. 1203 01:27:25,031 --> 01:27:27,408 Police say she was stabbed several times. 1204 01:27:27,492 --> 01:27:30,745 In street lingo, it was a curb stomp. He was dressed as a woman. 1205 01:27:30,828 --> 01:27:32,247 And shame on the media 1206 01:27:32,330 --> 01:27:34,457 for calling us men dressed in women's clothing. 1207 01:27:34,540 --> 01:27:36,793 Shame on the media for that. 1208 01:27:36,876 --> 01:27:40,296 This cannot go unanswered. I say, hands off my sister. 1209 01:27:40,380 --> 01:27:44,801 Do we not deal with the immediate needs there 1210 01:27:44,884 --> 01:27:49,806 to go back and spend the time to investigate this case? 1211 01:27:49,889 --> 01:27:52,850 Or even, like, what does that mean? 1212 01:27:52,934 --> 01:27:55,687 What does that mean? Justice for Marsha. 1213 01:27:55,770 --> 01:28:02,151 Keep your hands off my sister! 1214 01:28:02,235 --> 01:28:04,362 And justice for so many others. 1215 01:28:05,029 --> 01:28:10,326 The visibility that we can do something about a case that's been cold, 1216 01:28:10,410 --> 01:28:11,786 and then seeking justice, 1217 01:28:11,869 --> 01:28:14,706 if not for the family, but for the community. 1218 01:28:14,789 --> 01:28:16,582 - I know... - Because this is part of our history. 1219 01:28:16,666 --> 01:28:19,377 It is part of our history. I completely believe that. 1220 01:28:19,460 --> 01:28:21,462 And I'm also worried about the future. 1221 01:28:21,546 --> 01:28:23,047 Keep your hands off my sister! 1222 01:28:23,131 --> 01:28:32,265 Keep your hands off my sister! Keep your hands off my sister! 1223 01:30:02,271 --> 01:30:05,108 Whatever happened, it must have been around here. 1224 01:30:37,140 --> 01:30:42,228 We live as who we are. This is us. This is us being at home. 1225 01:30:44,105 --> 01:30:46,357 I don't know, we just want to be ourselves. 1226 01:30:46,440 --> 01:30:49,026 The women we are, inside-out. 1227 01:30:50,778 --> 01:30:52,446 Right? Am I wrong? 1228 01:30:52,530 --> 01:30:55,283 She's right. Very wise of her. 1229 01:30:55,366 --> 01:30:58,369 It started out, it was just Chelsea and me. 1230 01:30:58,452 --> 01:31:03,374 And, um, then, people just started to come. 1231 01:31:04,375 --> 01:31:06,502 We started to think of ourselves as, 1232 01:31:06,586 --> 01:31:09,964 you know, this was the house that Sylvia and Marsha had. 1233 01:31:10,047 --> 01:31:14,260 And we really looked at STAR House as our reference point. 1234 01:31:17,555 --> 01:31:20,850 Aw, there they are. I have to get this picture. 1235 01:31:23,019 --> 01:31:27,148 She'd been homeless, and she'd been living on a pier, and that sort of thing. 1236 01:31:27,231 --> 01:31:31,652 And I said, "Hey, you're not homeless. I got a place. 1237 01:31:31,736 --> 01:31:34,030 Long as I got a place, you're not homeless." 1238 01:31:34,113 --> 01:31:36,824 She didn't move in right away, but she started coming around. 1239 01:31:36,908 --> 01:31:40,328 She'd do some work in the backyard, do some work around the house 1240 01:31:40,411 --> 01:31:41,996 in lieu of paying rent. 1241 01:31:42,079 --> 01:31:44,582 ...went around the streets. 1242 01:31:44,665 --> 01:31:50,004 We have to help one another. We really do. It's important. 1243 01:31:50,087 --> 01:31:52,048 The people in the house really related to Sylvia. 1244 01:31:52,131 --> 01:31:54,634 She mothered them, in a way, and gave advice. 1245 01:31:54,717 --> 01:31:56,302 She talked with them. 1246 01:31:56,385 --> 01:32:00,348 But when she sobered up, then she was much better with them. 1247 01:32:00,431 --> 01:32:03,643 Just like cold turkey. Bang, no more drinking. 1248 01:32:05,436 --> 01:32:08,856 We have to remember, we must continue to fight this government 1249 01:32:08,940 --> 01:32:10,358 because this government is the one 1250 01:32:10,441 --> 01:32:13,945 that's going to keep us divided at all time. 1251 01:32:15,571 --> 01:32:19,283 That's when she got back into her role, I think, 1252 01:32:19,367 --> 01:32:21,911 as an activist in the community. 1253 01:32:21,994 --> 01:32:24,956 And all of a sudden, we noticed people were coming up and saying, 1254 01:32:25,039 --> 01:32:28,668 "You're Sylvia Rivera, aren't you? I thought you was dead!" 1255 01:32:30,127 --> 01:32:31,504 I began to realize that 1256 01:32:31,587 --> 01:32:35,591 she really had a lot of projection in the community. 1257 01:32:39,845 --> 01:32:41,097 It's a huge party, 1258 01:32:41,180 --> 01:32:43,057 and its mission is to fight against discrimination. 1259 01:32:43,641 --> 01:32:45,101 In the streets of Rome, 1260 01:32:45,184 --> 01:32:49,438 World Gay Pride gathered 200,000 gays, transgender people and lesbians 1261 01:32:49,522 --> 01:32:53,109 from Italy, as well as America, France and Germany. 1262 01:33:04,078 --> 01:33:10,001 It really gives me great pleasure to be here in representation 1263 01:33:10,084 --> 01:33:15,089 of the gay liberation movement and the transgender movement 1264 01:33:15,172 --> 01:33:18,259 all the way from the United States. 1265 01:33:22,430 --> 01:33:27,310 I didn't think 31 years ago that I would have so many children, 1266 01:33:27,393 --> 01:33:30,104 but I'm proud to have liberated you. 1267 01:33:32,565 --> 01:33:34,984 Viva and love Pride, 1268 01:33:35,067 --> 01:33:39,238 and continue your struggle all around the world! 1269 01:33:47,496 --> 01:33:49,540 The crowd went crazy. 1270 01:33:49,623 --> 01:33:51,709 At one point in between my speech, 1271 01:33:51,792 --> 01:33:55,629 they started calling me a living myth in Italian. 1272 01:33:55,713 --> 01:33:57,465 Mistica. Mistica. 1273 01:33:59,925 --> 01:34:02,928 Oh, my God, it's hard. 1274 01:34:03,012 --> 01:34:05,097 Then people were coming up and kissing my hand, 1275 01:34:05,181 --> 01:34:08,142 and then giving me the double kiss, 1276 01:34:08,225 --> 01:34:10,019 and going through the whole scenario 1277 01:34:10,102 --> 01:34:12,688 with the little bit of English that they knew. 1278 01:34:12,772 --> 01:34:16,442 "Thank you for what you did at Stonewall." 1279 01:34:16,525 --> 01:34:19,528 I was really emotional about the whole thing. 1280 01:34:19,612 --> 01:34:21,781 - Guess what? - What? 1281 01:34:21,864 --> 01:34:25,659 Guess where Mother has keys to now, then? 1282 01:34:26,452 --> 01:34:27,536 To the church. 1283 01:34:27,620 --> 01:34:29,580 - To the church? - Mother got a job at church. 1284 01:34:29,663 --> 01:34:31,374 What are you doing? 1285 01:34:31,457 --> 01:34:33,918 - Bagging up food and whatnot. - And are they paying you? 1286 01:34:34,001 --> 01:34:35,628 - Yes. - No kidding. 1287 01:34:36,962 --> 01:34:42,551 I can go home and say that I've actually tried to make a difference. 1288 01:34:43,427 --> 01:34:45,054 That's what marriage does to you. 1289 01:34:45,137 --> 01:34:47,932 - She's made me an honest woman. - Really? That's good. 1290 01:34:48,015 --> 01:34:52,812 I mean, me of all people, Sylvia Rivera, had the keys to a church. 1291 01:35:08,744 --> 01:35:10,746 Sylvia Rivera was 50 years old 1292 01:35:10,830 --> 01:35:13,207 when she died of liver cancer last week. 1293 01:35:13,290 --> 01:35:17,503 Virtually up until the moment she died, she was lobbying for legislation 1294 01:35:17,586 --> 01:35:21,632 to protect the rights of this most despised of minorities. 1295 01:35:21,715 --> 01:35:25,886 Trans rights now! Trans rights now! 1296 01:35:25,970 --> 01:35:29,682 Doubtless, there will be many stories told about Sylvia. 1297 01:35:30,433 --> 01:35:33,477 Some true, some pure myth. 1298 01:35:34,270 --> 01:35:37,690 That happens with great leaders. 1299 01:35:37,773 --> 01:35:39,984 And make no mistake tonight, 1300 01:35:40,067 --> 01:35:44,655 Sylvia Rivera is the mother of our movement, 1301 01:35:44,738 --> 01:35:46,782 a great leader of our people. 1302 01:36:11,807 --> 01:36:17,188 I'm tired of people assaulting and murdering trans women. 1303 01:36:18,731 --> 01:36:21,817 I want it changed, and it's gonna change. 1304 01:36:22,568 --> 01:36:24,987 'Cause we're gonna keep pushing the issue until it does. 1305 01:36:25,070 --> 01:36:28,741 Nobody's prosecuting these people properly. 1306 01:36:28,824 --> 01:36:32,369 They don't get what any other murderer would get. 1307 01:36:32,453 --> 01:36:35,331 They get a pat on the wrist and a little bit of time and let go. 1308 01:36:35,414 --> 01:36:37,958 This judge and DA have to do the right thing. 1309 01:36:38,042 --> 01:36:40,753 Prosecute him like you would a regular person. 1310 01:36:44,715 --> 01:36:47,259 As everyone is aware, we're here today for sentencing. 1311 01:36:47,343 --> 01:36:50,721 First, the People are gonna be reading, I understand, a statement. 1312 01:36:51,805 --> 01:36:54,225 I'm going to be reading a statement that was sent to me 1313 01:36:54,308 --> 01:36:58,395 by the biological father of Islan Nettles. 1314 01:36:59,271 --> 01:37:03,192 He had asked me personally to read this on his behalf. 1315 01:37:05,528 --> 01:37:10,032 "There was a very outgoing, free-spirited, young, promising individual 1316 01:37:10,115 --> 01:37:12,034 that had a very bright future, 1317 01:37:12,117 --> 01:37:14,453 that had the potential to make a mark in the world. 1318 01:37:14,537 --> 01:37:16,497 And it came to a screeching halt 1319 01:37:16,580 --> 01:37:20,793 by an individual that was upset because he was clowned by his friends, 1320 01:37:20,876 --> 01:37:24,213 because he didn't know the women he was trying to holler at 1321 01:37:24,296 --> 01:37:26,799 was actually a transgender woman. 1322 01:37:26,882 --> 01:37:30,386 He made a conscious decision to beat a transgender woman to death 1323 01:37:30,469 --> 01:37:31,804 because of who she was 1324 01:37:31,887 --> 01:37:34,807 and the embarrassment he felt he had suffered. 1325 01:37:36,016 --> 01:37:38,936 I was extremely proud of the person she became. 1326 01:37:39,019 --> 01:37:41,355 But no matter what amount of time this man gets, 1327 01:37:41,438 --> 01:37:43,649 it will never fill the hole in my heart 1328 01:37:43,732 --> 01:37:46,193 that a person that had such a magnificent future 1329 01:37:46,277 --> 01:37:50,823 and was my only child and a lifelong gift had once filled." 1330 01:37:51,824 --> 01:37:53,617 Mr. Dixon, I hereby sentence you 1331 01:37:53,701 --> 01:37:55,369 to a determinate sentence of imprisonment 1332 01:37:55,452 --> 01:37:57,121 with a term of 12 years. 1333 01:37:58,163 --> 01:37:59,373 All right, we're adjourned. 1334 01:38:01,667 --> 01:38:04,253 You're crushing us. You're killing us. 1335 01:38:05,588 --> 01:38:10,384 This young man is only going to end up doing ten and a half years, 1336 01:38:10,467 --> 01:38:13,345 learn nothing, come back out and do this again. 1337 01:38:13,429 --> 01:38:15,139 This needs to stop. 1338 01:38:15,222 --> 01:38:17,641 We're not letting none of this go anymore. 1339 01:39:14,990 --> 01:39:17,326 Really, everybody goes sooner or later. 1340 01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:19,953 Tomorrow's not promised to anyone. 1341 01:39:20,079 --> 01:39:22,623 I learned that in church when I was five years old. 1342 01:39:23,624 --> 01:39:25,459 And I've never forgotten it. 1343 01:39:25,542 --> 01:39:29,254 So, uh, every day counts. 1344 01:39:49,191 --> 01:39:50,609 Come on, girl. 1345 01:39:51,443 --> 01:39:53,112 Chin up. 106856

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