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Previously on The Hack.

Hacking phones at the news of the world has been endemic.

Endemic. They've hacked thousands.

There is an industry making huge profit from evading people's private lives, and

Rupert Murdoch's bullying tabloids have explicitly encouraged it and are buying

it. Charlotte Harris, Nick Davis of The Guardian. I can't talk to you about

specific cases, but I can tell you there is so much more to come.

Show me what you have.

Printout of an email proving a payment of £7 ,000 to Malcare, Prestorio and

Gordon Taylor.

And the police have access to all of this and more. In my opinion, what I've

seen is a most careful investigation by very experienced detectives. And since

no additional evidence has come to light, I can see no reason to reopen the

inquiry. Keir Starmer's conducting a review.

And now the CMS select committee want to see her surgically.

Are you reading the statement?

No.

But I do have things to say.

Welcome to your voicemail. You have three new messages.

To listen to your messages, press one.

The bar here.

Just wondering when you're over.

Oh, uh, the kitchen tap seems to be fixed now.

Which is good.

So, that... Message deleted.

Next message.

Make it certain.

Um, just to say I got a call from the bank today. They said it's in relation

the remortgage, but... I felt like someone was fishing.

Message deleted.

Next message.

Nick, we put together a legal response for Alan, but we need to speak to you

about the selector, Nick.

Don't you dare.

Has Alan rung again?

Possibly.

Possibly?

Could be the school telling me my son's broken his leg.

Or Rebecca Brooks declaring surrender.

Or it could be Alan asking where I am and whether David Lee is with me. I

answer. I don't want to lie to him.

Perhaps a little voicemail.

Why are we here?

Good question. Thank you for joining us, gentlemen.

Now, we have a lot of questions, so try and keep opening statements short.

I'd like to keep this whole experience quite short, if I may.

But I do have quite a lot for me to say.

I'd like to start by showing you, first of all, copies of an email.

With respect, Mr Davies, we have quite a few questions for you. I understand

that, but I think your questions will be given in context.

Let's open with a question from... Mr Whittingdale.

Do you want the evidence or not?

I would like to read it.

There you go.

This is an email sent for Neville Thirlbeck, chief reporter for News of

World. A document the police have had for some time.

A document that contains transcripts of hacked voicemails.

I hope you'll agree this backs up our claims.

But what's more unsettling is that Scott Renjard have never arrested or

interviewed Neville Thirlbeck.

My chief concern is... Mr Davies, it's all very dramatic, but if you can get

back to the matter in hand... Mr Whittingdale, I'm very worried that news

international journalists have been breaking the law, and equally worried

Scotland Yard do not appear to have investigated them.

Mr Davies, this is all very dramatic.

It's amazing what you can do with... Kids glue and some black paper.

You got your kids to redact a... They enjoyed it. They like craft.

Good revolution, right?

What was that letter Che Guevara wrote to his kids?

Alan?

Hi.

Oh, it's fine.

I think we got away with it.

What are they saying?

Yeah.

Can you just... Yes.

Right. Thanks for letting me know.

David Leopard, the Sunday Times.

Why is Leopard following you?

It wasn't him.

Leopard's spreading a story that I hired John Ford to hack voicemail.

It's apparently all over Parliament.

John Ford the blagger.

They're saying it's in relation to our investigation of Monsanto.

I did use an intelligence firm.

Mnemosis.

It's possible they subcontracted to John Ford.

Well, the Guardian isn't in trouble anymore.

I am.

John Ford.

John Ford has had his hand in and out of Alastair Campbell's trash for years,

but his real talent was for blagging.

An ex -actor with style, he did all sorts to get all sorts.

Gordon Brown's bank records, for one.

And Alan may have hired him, which, well, the newspaper industry loves a

bit of hypocrisy to expose.

Morning.

Not the face you were hoping to wake up to.

Now, I think the time has come to admit that John Ford isn't home.

David Lee, investigations editor at the Guardian.

Also, Alan's brother -in -law. The Sunday Times have got him well hid.

Perhaps we can get hold of Alan's paper trail.

Get inside the intelligence firm.

Start again.

It'll take too long. They'll publish before... Then Alan will take a hit, and

hope he survives it. But sitting here, Nick, it's getting us nowhere.

This is not all my fault.

Murdoch's an eel.

He's entirely relentless.

I'm not picking a fight with Murdoch.

No.

I'm picking a fight with our entire industry.

Don't answer it.

No, do, do. Don't let them leave a voicemail.

It's an email.

A statement from the Crown Prosecution Service.

The CPS says it's not appropriate to reopen the case or revisit the decision.

They're not backing us.

What was it that John Yates said about the case? Something about a small number

of... Of hacks, yeah.

Our inquiry showed that they only used the tactic against a far smaller number

of individuals.

Page two.

Searchmore Care's office sees material which indicated some non -royal cases

been hacked. The DPP states only a select sample of these could be taken to

court because...

Any other approach might have made the case unmanageable.

Unmanageable? That's just a loss of hacking.

We're the one reporter.

Yeah.

Almost an admission of such.

All right, you call.

Got it.

That means you need to leave the car.

Got it. Yeah.

Hi, this is Nick Davis of The Guardian. Hi there.

I need to speak to somebody at the CPS about the Glenn Mulcair prosecution.

Yes, but specifically, how can I help you? Specifically, I want to know what

police passed up and you declined to prosecute because any other approach

have been, quote, unmanageable. I have information, particularly an email that

want to discuss.

Yes, sir.

Can I pick you a hold?

Yes, I will hold.

Really?

The plot thickens.

The Neville email was never flagged. The Met never flagged it in the TPA.

Why not?

I can't get this up. It's too important.

No, I know.

I won't let it hurt Alan.

I'm not entirely sure you can make that promise.

Hi. Hi.

Here's your sandwich. Oh, cheers.

You look rough.

Yeah, and you look beautiful.

I'm not sleeping.

No, neither am I.

Daniel Morgan.

Anything I can... I can't tell you anything, you know that.

They're coming to town. No.

Christ, salmon and cream cheese, eh?

Scottish salmon.

And I need some...

Non -Daniel Morgan advice.

Oh, you're saying Ponzi -Simonies don't come free?

Why would the Met not flag evidence to the Crown Protocol?

CPS don't get everything.

And everything it does get has to pass the relevance test, right?

Right. OK.

So, is this relevant?

They're transcripts for Neville Felbeck, chief reporter of the News of the

World.

And they didn't get shown there? They put it through as unused material.

Shit.

Tell me, what is happening in the Met?

Well, there's obviously a lot I can't tell you, but what I can say is that

since Stephen Lawrence, the Mets have made it their job to... Well, Dick

Fedorchian, Director of Communications?

Yeah, I've met him. Well, he currently sits in the Mets' senior management

or comms chief.

not a police officer, and he has direct impact on operational decisions.

Good press matters that much.

These meetings are dominated by how to get the cases that are going well in the

front of the tabloids and the cases that are not going so well off them.

By order of the commissioner, Dick will wine and dine the crime journalists and

guess who he meets the most?

News of the world in the sun.

But not flagging this to the CPS.

Fine. But look at you stop there now, you're making me jumpy. Nothing, I'm

watched. What are you, Anthony Hay?

You, for one thing.

Hey, I'm just meeting a pal for a fancy sandwich.

Glenn Mulcair did a minimum 20 ,000 hours work for the News of the World.

That's on record, it's an industrial level of work.

Which means he worked for far more journalists than Clive Goodman. So

Felbeck appears to be one other, but was he feeding all of them?

No, just be careful, OK?

In these people, I might be fucked.

Thank you.

John Harris.

Nick Davies.

Brian.

You sound delighted to hear from me.

Delighted and not surprised.

How did you get this number? Did you flag it?

Your office gave it to me. I can be very polite and surprisingly charming.

If you're calling about the CPS announcement, I'm not as tough as you

there's little I can do.

Look, the CPS have a file on Glenn Mulcair. You must know somebody. Nick, I

don't work for you and I've got to go. Good luck and goodbye.

Goodbye.

Glenn Mulcair.

Chief phone hacker for the news of the world. Given six months jail time for

Clive Goodman case. But now, he doesn't about.

And nothing about.

What's

up?

Nick Davis.

I saw you.

Maroon Saab by the park.

You think I'd do what I do without being good at it?

I don't know if you've been reading my pieces in the Guardian.

Are you taping this?

No, I know. I wouldn't do that without your consent, Mr. Mulcair.

It's Glenn.

So who else are you talking to, Nick?

Got anyone good in the police?

It was your snout. It's gross.

Who are you still talking to at that paper?

You're funny.

Why are you here?

Did you ever work for Neville Thirlby?

Right. Let me save you some time. I have an email written to you, which is

marked for Neville, from Ross Hindley, and it contains transcripts of 35.

Everything I did came out in court.

Anything more than that, I didn't do. They cut you off, right?

You do know you're still open to future charges.

Get out now before the whole thing collapses. You know I've got five kids

there. And you come to my house, and what threatened me? I wasn't threatening

you. Have you any idea what you're dealing with here?

You do yours, and I'll do mine. Yeah?

I wasn't threatening you. I was just telling you they won't help.

Okay, so there is a lie happening here. The PPF memo shows this stretch is right

inside News International.

Glenn Mulcair essentially confirmed it. He didn't confirm it. I'm digging in. In

the meantime, I'd like to publish, ask Scotland Yard, scared of Rupert Murdoch.

Saying what?

Saying they...

buried evidence which should have been passed to the cps poking the bear well

that's what we do now poke the bear no can we just take a minute what's your

angle here well i have two lines of attack one to reveal who was on their

shopping list i need names much more of them there were far more than than three

rulers five non -royal i want to know who signed up on these names i mean

it was more than clive goodman how will you get that proof my second line of

attack is to get inside the police a mistake to discover why this evidence

wasn't flagged to the CPS. What criminality was ignored and why?

John Yates called me and said we've got the wrong end of the stick with the

police in all of this. We're on the wrong end of the stick.

Yes, do you not think that's possible?

Look, we call this insensible. We're risking our relationship with the police

and with good journalists from other newspapers. Why? To root out a few bad

apples. Bad apples?

Wrong sticks.

I agree with Nick. The Neville email is extraordinary, and the fact that they

didn't flag it to the CPS, more extraordinary still.

A chief reporter seems to have been involved in hacking that didn't warrant

investigation.

There are potentially thousands of victims, but the Met is only claiming a

number. What do you think, Jill?

For a public interest offence, you need to be absolutely sure of your facts.

Right now, they feel a bit small.

I have to say I agree.

Let's pause on the Scotland Yard article.

Let's let the PCC... Press Complaints Commission.

The PCC will settle all this down.

They'll back us, and it'll all be easier.

What else have we got?

Something other than, when's Gordon Brown going to call this next damn

Listen, Alan's nervous, but he's right.

You need more, but the angles you're pursuing, also right. Who says the PCC

going to back us?

What, you don't think they will?

Why is Alan waiting for them? You know we have to keep pushing.

Kill or be killed. We can't wait.

Yes. The Sunday Times are getting ready to publish on John Ford and Alan.

Right.

Has Lamasius come back with any more?

Nothing to give as categorical proof.

He's in trouble.

Just give him time.

They're accusing him of being a hypocrite. We have hypocrisy on

world's gone mad.

Look, Nick.

Nick.

No,

Nick. Nick, Nick, whatever you're doing, Nick, stop.

Hello.

Hi, this is Nick Davis of The Guardian. Try this Sunday time for managing

editors. I mean it, Nick.

Hello? Hi, this is Nick Davis of The Guardian.

Hi. Yeah.

I'd like... confirmation on the record of, A, how many times you've made

payments to John Ford to blag into confidential data pages, and, B, the

of time over which these payments have been made.

OK, we'll need to investigate. Of course, we'll need to do some

You just call me back whenever you've had the chance to do so, yeah?

OK. All right.

Great, bye.

Bye -bye.

Peter, Frank.

I don't drink.

Can I get you something softer?

A Mars bar.

Yeah, sure, I'll tell you everything I know for a Mars bar. I wasn't... I'm not

threatening you. No, no, you're Willy Wonka.

Chocolate for everyone.

I want to know your side of the story.

How did you find me here?

You're on the club's website.

You won the big break competition here two years ago. Congratulations.

Court transcripts. It says that you worked for News of the World for 70

week. Here we go.

Over six years, that's over 20 ,000 hours.

What were you doing for them during that time? I'm a PI.

Did PI work?

For whom?

Because it wasn't just Clive Goodman.

Name in names, that's two miles by at least.

I know.

You are the blame for all this. Your name is in the mud already. You explain

exactly what you did. I know. And who you were working for? I wanted to tell

who. The police have got all my notebooks and my computers and

Notebooks.

What's in those?

Fuck you.

It was in the CPS report that your office was searched, the material was

but I didn't know there were notebooks.

You find me a PI who doesn't write things down.

Yeah, well, what's in them?

Lines of inquiry.

Names of people you were hacking. Sorry, doing PI work on.

And the names of who you were doing them for.

Names of News of the World journalists.

Go away.

And take your cheap beer with you.

I do not think, genuinely, really, do not think that you should be the fall

here. Yeah, well, be careful that you're not a fall guy, too.

Hey, champ?

Now, please fuck off.

Let me do the one thing I still enjoy.

All right.

Good luck.

Mulcair has given me an idea.

Oh, good.

All he's given me is a headache.

We need to get inside the court system. We need to get more information

released. Sorry?

They won't release documents to me.

They will if they're compelled to by a judge.

Hang on. Can you calm down?

What? Children.

You are aware it's the weekend.

All right. The police have Mulcair's notebooks. If we can get them into the

public eye, we'll see who hired who, how high this goes, who was being hacked.

I need... We need...

Compelled evidence.

Use what between I need and we need in the same sentence. Do you know that?

I know you've other clients. I know you're building several cases here. Help

It'll help you too.

We don't work together, Nick. Well, of course we don't, but we do have the same

cause. I can't get inside the notebooks because I'm not mentioned in the

notebooks. But you'll find a client who is in there who has the bravery to take

it to court.

Suddenly...

We'll see how much this opens up.

Let me, um... There might be somebody you could talk to.

Well, let me know as soon as you can, okay? Yes, I heard you. I'm on it.

Okay, thanks. Bye.

There is an art to fear.

An art, the news of the world and the sun and all those nasty buggers mastered

long time ago. They call it monstering.

Grievous emotional harm.

The kind of injury from which some victims simply never recover.

A monstering is intended to destroy the victim involved and it is intended to

make sure that no one stands up to them ever again.

Take former Labour government minister Claire Short.

She criticised the sun's use of topless women to sell the paper. She found

herself denounced to millions as...

Killjoy Claire.

Short on looks.

Short on brains.

The paper offered free car stickers.

Sent page three models round to her home.

Ran a beauty contest to ask their readers whether they would prefer to see

face or the back of a bus.

The news of the world ran two bogus stories suggesting Claire was involved

pornography.

tried to buy old photographs of her as a 20 -year -old in a nightdress, and

published a smear story which attempted to link her to a West Indian gangster.

They monstered her.

It was horrible.

In his diary, Alistair Campbell recalls the ferocious monstering which was given

to the then Transport Secretary Stephen Byers in 2002.

It continued even after he resigned.

It's like they get a corpse, but then they're disappointed there's nothing

to kill.

So they try and kill the dead body too.

So standing up to it, standing up to that paper takes guts.

And possibly a little insanity.

Max, it's an honour.

An honour?

Is that right?

Max Clifford, king of the kiss and tell.

His job was bargaining with the tabloids to get the best headlines and the most

money for his string of clients.

Didn't need to be true, just needed to sell.

Do you remember Freddie Star ate my hamster?

He wrote that headline.

But maybe it takes a tabloid man to kill the tabloids.

I'm sincerely grateful for you being here.

Charlotte, explain your problem.

I have a feeling that our interests might align on this.

They hacked me.

That's on record.

And I want to find out who signed up on it. Well, that's extremely important. We

hope it will be important.

We've had our first disclosure. We've made an application to the courts.

This is everything Mulcair wrote about Max.

They've redacted everyone.

In particular, anything which might identify the News of the World

who might have commissioned the hacking.

I'm going back to court. We'll get more.

Question. When they disclosed Gordon Taylor's paperwork, did they redact

anything? No.

Why start now?

Because it implicates them. So did Gordon Taylor.

They're working out how to make themselves impenetrable.

They're watching us.

You do know what you're taking on.

Do you know who you're talking to?

I believe Rebecca Brooks is your friend.

Didn't you help her when she was accused of assault?

I help her, but not in that case.

I have my loyalties, and I have beliefs.

I mean, I know Andy Coulson.

Him, sitting next to the Prime Minister.

That's wrong in every way.

What are you saying? I spent my entire life inside that machine.

I know what their guns smell like.

Do you?

We need you back.

Christ. If I'm your best hope, you're fucked.

You look tired.

You're sleeping.

Oh, I've definitely slept better.

That mortgage application, did that come back at all?

No, but there was something else.

So when I was picking the kids up, someone I didn't recognise started

me about a Maggie someone.

Now that's an ex of yours, right?

Oh, God, did they see the kids?

Yeah, I mean, they kept it casual, but... Shit!

Maggie, God, they're definitely digging.

I didn't like it, Nick.

I've got a gate.

Well, look, they'll approach you again.

You take out your phone, you take a photograph.

OK. And promise me it's not going to get worse than this.

Well, they'd be really stupid to do anything I could print, but I'm sorry.

really sorry.

Will they find any skeletons?

If they look properly, they'll find a cemetery.

This is a delivery.

Stay where you are. No, no, let me go.

We'll talk later.

Bye, kids.

Bye -bye.

How are you? I'm good. You all right?

I am.

Hello.

You coming in?

No. I've got food on. It was enough.

I had some good news, actually. Max Clifford, all people, taking them to

John Forting's gone away.

Wait.

You think I don't know how?

Let's look inside.

Nick Davies. Always guaranteed to bring a flamethrower to a knife fight.

It was the best thing to do.

You didn't think to consult me beforehand?

It's gone away, Alan. Because you, um... What's the right word to use here?

Provoked them.

In Flat Earth News, I found substantial proof that the Sunday Times were using

John Ford. That doesn't matter. Of course it matters.

They were wrong to use John Ford. I was wrong if I did inadvertently use John

Ford. And you were wrong to get involved in a way that wasn't asked for and

wasn't warranted.

I was trying to broker peace with John Witherow, and you could have

that. Starting a fight with the News of the World and the Sunday Times.

I knew it would work. Are you denying that it did?

No. But if you knew it would work...

Why didn't you make that call at the very beginning?

Why did you try and find him? Spent a couple of nights in a car with David

Jesus Christ, Nick.

You're such a... hazard.

I was just following what was... Alan, come on. Look, we need to keep pushing.

They will push back. We need to keep pushing.

I get it.

You're exhausted.

You think you're taking on everyone by yourself. But it's not just you in the

box on this one, Nick.

It's all of us.

I can't have a hand on your leg the whole time.

I guess you'd be up.

Yep. The Press Complaints Commission have come back.

Not good news.

The PCC has seen no new evidence to suggest that the practice of the phone

messaging tapping was undertaken by other beyond Goodman and Mulcair, or

evidence that the News of the World executives knew about Goodman or

activities. You were right. Alan was wrong. They haven't backed us either.

Yeah. OK.

Sorry, Nick.

Thanks for calling.

Bye. Bye.

Welcome to your voicemail. You have four new messages.

To listen to your messages, press one.

There's a call.

I'm here to read your meter. Message deleted.

Next message.

Hey, it's Charlotte.

We've entered the imminent claim for Max and we're waiting for the courts to get

the message deleted.

Next message.

Derek, hi, it's me.

Another one.

I'm not sure if it's anything but a girl you...

Hello, Dad.

You're looking fair.

You look good.

Still a charmer.

I should be helping with that, Papa.

Would, would, could.

No, you can't.

Anyway, these are the good hours.

What's that mean?

Hips hurt, knees hurt, back hurts till 11am and then again from 3pm.

But 11 till 3?

It's a holiday.

Never get old.

So you've got four good hours and you sleep for presumably eight. Yeah, but

don't turn it into a maths puzzle.

I can still do the crossword, however my hips feel.

That's all that counts.

The crossword in the Times.

Should I stop buying the Times?

Yes.

I won't. I know.

I've, um, been reading your pieces.

You've managed to watch the Select Committee. I have no idea how you even

that. I'm not a dinosaur.

I can use the Internet.

Hard as it looks.

It's fine.

You've got nothing to prove.

What can I prove anything?

Your mother would have liked it.

All this trouble.

She always liked trouble.

Just be safe with yourself.

That's all I ask.

Just be safe.

Thank you.

Fifth lawyer.

Mr. Davis.

This is the physician.

Thank you for coming in.

Thank you.

Dick said we should meet.

Yes. Dick Fedorcio was kind enough to arrange the meeting.

I thought it useful so we could smooth matters over so we can help each other.

I don't think I can help. No, no, no. I'm here to help you.

A story that makes Scotland Yard look good. I just need you to confirm that in

order to be able to...

Inform all the potential victims of the hacking that you've set up a new

database containing all the evidence which you gathered in 2006.

Have we?

Uh, well, a very good word from lawyers who've been in touch with the Yard,

saying that you're taking the need to organize the evidence which perhaps

organized quite so well.

Seriously.

All right, fine.

Maybe we have organized the database.

I will give you that.

But in return...

Maybe you can cease and desist with briefing everyone against me. We have

nothing to do with News International, and you bloody well know it.

Commissioner, am I interested? You think I don't know what you're doing?

When I appeared in front of that damn select committee, I could see in the eye

movements of the MPs that you'd brief all but one of them.

Sorry, eye movements?

Mm -hmm.

I'm a clever cop, Mr Davis.

Right.

Why didn't you pass the...

CPS the email to Neville Felbeck, which clearly implicated him in the hacking

scandal. Was it because the CPS had said that you could only use a sample

because the evidence was unmanageable otherwise? No, the CPS were clear.

With the regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, it is only a crime if the

intended victim had not already heard the message.

No one interprets Ripper like that except you. All I want to know is the

of this. Can you tell me how many victims of phone hacking you've been

identify? Mr. Davis.

The Crown Prosecution Service do not agree with you. The Press Complaints

Commission do not agree with you.

And the Metropolitan Police certainly do not agree with you.

There's dog -minded, and then there's just dog.

This left -wing attack on Murdoch by the guard... If you can't give me a bold

number, just tell me how many victims were in Mulcair's notebooks.

I have never fallen out with a journalist before.

You finally have done so.

Congratulations.

Look, I bought you a gift.

It's an I'm not sorry gift.

I'm going to look.

But I'm also, um, I'm stuck.

So, if calling it an I'm not sorry gift is offensive, call it a damn gift.

As in, damn, I'm stuck, please help. Why are you stuck?

They are, everybody is.

No one is telling me the truth.

The amazing thing about you, Nick, is each time you find someone lying to you,

you are utterly amazed, even though you've devoted most of your life to

uncovering liars. I wear the coat of a cynic only to conceal the heart of an

agitated otter.

They are talking of cynicism.

They're now spreading a rumour that I have a love child.

A love child.

They're coming after me, too.

Sheridan's been farming all sorts of calls. But they're not telling lies

you. Why are they only lies about me?

Don't know.

Because they think attacking me is the easiest way of shutting you up?

Clever, really.

They know I need you.

How curious you choose now to say something so kind.

Oh, God.

I'm your sensual panzer.

I was what I was yours.

I'm sorry, making your life difficult.

I don't... I don't take our friendship to mean that... I don't expect

you to print everything I write.

You're just doing what you're doing, which is why you're the best.

It's why I pay you, handsomely.

You're just as optimistic as me. Christ, you thought the PCC would come back on

our side. Our so -called industry regulator could say that about us.

The death of self -regulation.

Me? What do I do?

Can't you call your Mr Apollo?

He's gone.

Silly word.

You always contacted me, never from the same line twice.

I'll wait for Bax Clifford and your day in court.

Bax is important. We can't wait. We're in a firefight here. They're going to

keep slinging mud till something sticks.

Then... What about the phone companies?

Sorry? Yates made that claim in the select committee that they'd asked the

companies if there were any other victims of Mulcair at Goodman in order

appropriate action.

Yeah, I remember.

Well, ask the phone companies to disclose how many victims they

warned of being hacked.

Might get the hack numbers that way.

You're a genius, Sancho. Never call me that again.

Go on, click it.

Got books.

She's not naked. Those pens, when you click them, they're naked, but she's

covered in books. It's a joke. Thanks for explaining it to me.

I'll never use it. I'll never ask you to. Thank you.

The commissioner called after you left Yates. He said to me that your coverage

of the hacking scandal was exaggerated and incorrect.

The first time I felt genuine confidence that we're doing absolutely the right

thing.

Adios.

The select committee had, of course, rumbled on after us, meeting press,

politicians, the police, trying to beat Rebecca Brooks. She said no. Though they

succeeded in meeting Andy Coulson, who said... As little as possible.

But they were working it as best they could, and I was working with them as

I could, feeding them occasional questions.

Which we asked in our own way.

Hadn't occurred to me that the police revealing in a memo written by Yates

the mobile phone companies had been contacted was a way in. The police

the individual phone companies details of the telephone numbers and it was

agreed that they would individually research, assess and address whether or

and to what degree their customers had been the subject of contact by the

suspects.

What I'm looking to find out is when the police contacted you, what number of

victims you managed to trace and how many you contacted.

Well, yes.

But John Yates was quoted in the select committee as saying you were spoken to,

so... My question is, did you ignore the assistant commissioner of the

Metropolitan Police?

Yeah, sure. Sure, I'll hold.

Nick, 02, 40 victims. Now, it's only one. It's only one. When one goes, they

all... Yes, it is. Now, O2 have just confirmed that once they were alerted by

the police, they contacted 40 hacking victims.

I just wondered whether you have a number for us.

Or have you more to hide than them?

Great.

Great. How many?

Do you think you knew any better than broadly the same as O2?

Orange will come back with 45 victims.

Do you want to match that number instead?

No? Right.

Okay. Well...

Thank you very much. Thank you. Bye.

O2, 40 victims.

Vodafone, 40 victims. Orange, 45 victims.

Together with the original eight, that's more than 130 people who had their

phones hacked.

Far more than Yates said.

And this is just the tip of a very, very big iceberg.

Okay.

Let's do it.

This wasn't just Goodman.

This wasn't just the Royals. This was a practice.

This was our foothold.

And yet, even though News International should have been on fire, it once again

barely hit the sides.

And no other newspaper thought it was an important story either.

Good scoop.

The mobile phone company's very good.

Makes me happy to hear you say words like scoop.

Why is that not what you say?

Have you ever said you're next?

I think I tried that once or twice when I was a younger man.

It doesn't matter. No one's reporting you.

It doesn't matter what it is. We're just getting frozen out.

So try harder.

What?

Try harder. Stop pussyfooting around.

This is pussy -drugging. I put my paper on the line. I put myself on the line.

You're not nailing people. You're not asking the right questions. Oh, you're a

journalist now.

Why was your Neville email not passed on?

Print the photo on your front page of Assistant Commissioner John Yates and

Rebecca Brute sitting together with the police bravery of her.

They said to go.

Print what she said in Parliament.

We have paid the police for information.

And see, that didn't even go halfway to the truth. There's a murky swamp out

there, Nick.

Top tier police and the media. And that needs reporting.

I'm trying to write about all these things.

Unfortunately, it's speculative and libelous.

You need evidence, so do I.

Do you want to help? Give me something concrete.

All right.

I've dug.

The case, the Neville email, the hacking.

That case was given to Specialist Operations.

Terrorist branch.

The boss at the time was a guy called Andy Heyman.

I know that name.

He disappeared from retirement in a puff of smoke and then reappeared. Writing

articles for the Times. That's why I know the name. Exactly.

The press goes through the police like a stick of rock.

In News International.

It's not the worst of them all.

It's still speculative.

Sorry, my friend, I need more.

Charlotte. Hi.

Tell me some good news.

It's Max.

Max?

Oh, yeah, you brought him. Max, we've got them on the rack.

You settle, the whole thing gets covered up again.

You've got them on the rack?

With what?

What we need, I can't get.

Stand tall. Be the man who made a difference.

Be the man.

Do you listen to yourself?

This isn't... Please, listen to my advice here. You just want your piece of

Oh, your backwards deal.

I like to think I'm better than that.

No one is better than money.

How much?

Oh, go on. How much?

Fuck off.

The Murdochs agreed to pay Clifford more than a million pounds.

Some to cover his legal costs. Most in the form of guaranteed income for

he would sell them over the next three years. This meant it could be presented

to something other than the payment of damages.

This meant Charlotte didn't get her cut.

This meant it wasn't news.

Nobody was fooled, but it was clever.

Our biggest gun was spiked.

as we are joined by the leader of the Liberal Democrat, Nick Clegg, the

Conservative Party leader, David Cameron, and the leader of the Labour

Gordon Brown.

The truth is, power and secrecy walk hand in hand.

Power enjoys secrecy because it increases its scope.

Power generates secrecy simply because it can.

Downing Street, Scotland Yard, they're no different to other powerful

organizations.

They find secrecy easy, natural, and extremely helpful, regardless of whether

not it may cheat the public of information to which they have a

But here's the thing about power and secrecy.

If you can expose the secrecy, you might, you might, might break

the power.