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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:41,850 --> 00:01:44,890 I'm just gonna tell you the whole story. 2 00:01:44,980 --> 00:01:49,650 So I had the $50,000 debt because of the taxes. 3 00:01:50,190 --> 00:01:55,320 I was screwed. Jerry's dead, I'm left holding the bag. 4 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:02,740 And I don't have 50,000 for the IRS. I'm not going down like that. 5 00:02:02,910 --> 00:02:08,370 I was just thinking, "Okay, I gotta do something here. I gotta do something." 6 00:02:14,300 --> 00:02:17,920 I called the IRS and I said, "Listen, 7 00:02:19,220 --> 00:02:24,220 I know you know I owe 50,000, but I have a story for you." 8 00:02:25,100 --> 00:02:29,480 So I told the IRS the whole story verbatim. 9 00:02:30,850 --> 00:02:35,690 Now it might have been a year later, my accountant, we were talking, 10 00:02:35,860 --> 00:02:40,610 and he said, "You're the reason why all this went down." I said, "What?" 11 00:02:40,700 --> 00:02:45,950 He said, "Yeah." Because they reported it to the FBI or whomever, 12 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,040 and it just busted wide open after that. But I had no idea, 13 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,790 all I was trying to do is get myself out a $50,000 debt. 14 00:02:56,380 --> 00:03:00,220 And the next thing I knew, everybody is being investigated. 15 00:03:00,300 --> 00:03:03,640 I was kind of scared coming out with this. 16 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,180 I didn't want anything to happen to me 17 00:03:06,260 --> 00:03:10,440 because I've come a long way, I don't wanna ever go back. 18 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,610 And so I was hesitant about this whole mess, 19 00:03:14,770 --> 00:03:20,570 because when you're quiet for so long about things that took a turn 20 00:03:20,650 --> 00:03:22,820 and you didn't know why it took a turn, 21 00:03:22,910 --> 00:03:27,080 then you found out that you're the reason that it made the turn, 22 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:32,870 I don't know what, it just made me be more quiet. 23 00:03:36,290 --> 00:03:39,590 But does that make you the informant? 24 00:03:39,670 --> 00:03:44,680 It does, but I don't like that adjective. I don't like that because 25 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:49,600 in my mind, I never even knew that I was the one. 26 00:04:26,260 --> 00:04:30,640 MCMILLIONS 27 00:04:37,230 --> 00:04:39,690 He was not at his Lawrenceville home today, 28 00:04:39,770 --> 00:04:42,570 the man neighbors here have jokingly nicknamed... 29 00:04:42,650 --> 00:04:43,900 We called him the Hamburglar. 30 00:04:43,990 --> 00:04:48,410 The FBI says 58-year-old Jerome Jacobson was the ringleader who kept... 31 00:04:48,490 --> 00:04:51,370 There was a lot of publicity on this case at the time. 32 00:04:51,450 --> 00:04:54,120 There was an enormous amount of publicity. 33 00:04:54,210 --> 00:04:58,130 The press was all around the house, on the streets. 34 00:04:58,210 --> 00:05:02,840 I get phone calls continuously, all hours of the night, they would call. 35 00:05:03,010 --> 00:05:08,430 Jacobson provided the winning game pieces to his friends and associates 36 00:05:08,510 --> 00:05:10,430 who acted as recruiters. 37 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,560 We were totally exhausted. 38 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,020 It just took so much energy to get out in the public. 39 00:05:16,190 --> 00:05:20,730 The FBI believes those recruiters passed on the tickets to relatives. 40 00:05:20,900 --> 00:05:25,280 So we had this big buildup of the case in anticipation of the trial. 41 00:05:25,450 --> 00:05:28,660 Eight people who worked for the company that runs McDonald's games 42 00:05:28,740 --> 00:05:31,080 like Monopoly and Who Wants To Be A Millionaire... 43 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,120 ... the hugely popular Monopoly game... 44 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,460 ... people who run the McDonald's Monopoly game. 45 00:05:37,540 --> 00:05:40,880 If you're just tuning in, breaking news here on 1010 WINS. 46 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,260 A plane has crashed into the World Trade Center. 47 00:05:44,340 --> 00:05:46,590 This happening just a matter of minutes ago. 48 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,180 U.S. attacked 49 00:05:49,260 --> 00:05:55,640 After 9/11 everything changed. So this McDonald's story just vanished. 50 00:05:56,730 --> 00:06:00,270 It did very quickly get eclipsed. "All right, we're under attack," 51 00:06:00,350 --> 00:06:02,270 and you kind of snap out of it. 52 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,650 The world changed. And what went 53 00:06:05,740 --> 00:06:10,160 from being a case that the entire office and others 54 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:16,700 were feverishly working on kind of went back to primarily just Doug and Rick. 55 00:06:18,210 --> 00:06:21,920 Many, many of us were immediately changed. 56 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:28,630 You are now a terrorism agent and working all day, all night on that. 57 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,810 We didn't put any local stories on the front page for four months. 58 00:06:34,890 --> 00:06:39,060 So if we had updates, they were going back of the paper. 59 00:06:40,310 --> 00:06:47,070 So it vanished here and then vanished off the front pages everywhere. 60 00:06:49,950 --> 00:06:54,410 After 9/11 the McDonald's was a memory. 61 00:06:54,490 --> 00:06:57,330 Everybody forgot about it, 62 00:06:57,410 --> 00:07:03,500 except the FBI and the Justice Department. They proceeded. 63 00:07:10,170 --> 00:07:14,970 The trial was here in Jacksonville, here in this building. 64 00:07:15,050 --> 00:07:17,220 It lasted three weeks, 65 00:07:17,310 --> 00:07:21,980 and it was almost like a couple trials within a trial because 66 00:07:22,140 --> 00:07:24,440 once we have the overall scheme, 67 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:29,190 then had to place evidence just upon each of the defendants. 68 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,990 You have those grand hopes of being a million-dollar winner. 69 00:07:32,070 --> 00:07:34,570 Devereaux says Jacobson pocketed those pieces, 70 00:07:34,660 --> 00:07:39,700 and in exchange for a cut of the prize, gave them to friends and relatives. 71 00:07:39,870 --> 00:07:44,210 Mark is at that stage coming on very strong, 72 00:07:44,380 --> 00:07:49,630 with lots of threats about the consequence to our client, 73 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,430 and the terrible situation our client was in, 74 00:07:53,590 --> 00:07:56,140 and how much time it was gonna get. 75 00:07:57,470 --> 00:08:01,270 Generally, we don't respond favorably to threats. 76 00:08:03,350 --> 00:08:07,940 It was pretty clear that Mark Devereaux was coming full force. 77 00:08:08,020 --> 00:08:12,990 I always love wiretaps because you just bring in the little recorder 78 00:08:13,070 --> 00:08:14,910 and you push play. 79 00:08:14,990 --> 00:08:18,990 And there's this client, not only is he making a confession 80 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,870 you are listening live to your client committing the crime. 81 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:32,470 Mark was like the bulldog that bit the tire of the truck 82 00:08:32,550 --> 00:08:34,430 and couldn't let go, 83 00:08:34,510 --> 00:08:40,180 and ultimately I sent Janice on him. And she eventually brought him around. 84 00:08:42,810 --> 00:08:45,560 Ultimately, it's all up to how you will define victory. 85 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,360 And in this case, it wasn't trial, but it was 86 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,650 working through what was best for him plea-wise. 87 00:08:52,610 --> 00:08:55,610 We ended up working out something that was definitely waivable 88 00:08:55,700 --> 00:09:00,660 and favorable for our client from a very difficult position to start with. 89 00:09:00,740 --> 00:09:05,210 Right. We didn't have much of a defense. 90 00:09:07,420 --> 00:09:10,540 According to federal investigators, Jacobson has pleaded guilty 91 00:09:10,630 --> 00:09:14,550 to taking those pieces and giving them to friends and family to redeem. 92 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:19,100 Once we made our deal and Jerry pled guilty 93 00:09:19,180 --> 00:09:22,970 then he became kind of the instrument of the prosecution. 94 00:09:23,060 --> 00:09:24,930 Because Jerry began cooperating, 95 00:09:25,020 --> 00:09:28,600 the prosecutor did agree to do have motion to the court for reduction 96 00:09:28,690 --> 00:09:30,770 based on substantial assistance. 97 00:09:30,860 --> 00:09:34,650 But you are totally at their discretion. 98 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:41,830 They could suck you dry for information and then not help you. 99 00:09:43,490 --> 00:09:48,290 We had eight original individuals who are indicted, 100 00:09:48,370 --> 00:09:50,880 which turned into fifty-three people. 101 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,050 And out of the fifty-three that were there, 102 00:09:54,210 --> 00:09:58,260 everybody pled but seven people decided to go to trial. 103 00:09:58,430 --> 00:10:03,600 They didn't plead because they didn't like Devereaux's aftershave. 104 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:05,980 It's because we had them. That's why. 105 00:10:08,350 --> 00:10:12,190 They got me on one count of mail fraud, and I pled to the one count 106 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:16,490 because... I did it. I did it. 107 00:10:18,780 --> 00:10:24,290 These people that I gave tickets to did not know I lied to them. 108 00:10:24,830 --> 00:10:27,870 So they really... they got screwed. 109 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,630 But once you plead guilty, it's too late. 110 00:10:33,210 --> 00:10:36,800 But that's the mentality of people who never been in trouble. 111 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:41,890 You get so scared, it's like you're gonna lose everything you have, 112 00:10:41,970 --> 00:10:46,430 you're gonna go to jail and somebody's gonna be screwing your wife, 113 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:51,440 and your kids, they're not gonna know you anymore, and guys get scared. 114 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,860 So that's why they plead guilty, to get it over with. 115 00:10:56,030 --> 00:11:03,030 My plan at the time was to enter a plea of not guilty. So that's what I did. 116 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,370 If you have little knowledge of a conspiracy or a crime, 117 00:11:07,450 --> 00:11:09,540 you can't be guilty. 118 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:16,590 Seven went to trial, two following my opening statement 119 00:11:16,670 --> 00:11:20,920 ended up changing their pleas from not guilty to guilty 120 00:11:21,010 --> 00:11:25,100 because they didn't realize the evidence was more than compelling. 121 00:11:27,850 --> 00:11:31,890 The light at the end of the tunnel was a train coming at them, 122 00:11:31,980 --> 00:11:36,110 and they wanted to get out of the way, so they pled guilty. 123 00:11:43,570 --> 00:11:50,570 Certainly, it was a crime when Jacobson stole that game piece. 124 00:11:50,830 --> 00:11:52,920 But then you had the fraudster, 125 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:57,090 and the fraudster is the one turning in that game piece 126 00:11:57,170 --> 00:12:01,300 and saying that he or she won it according to these rules. 127 00:12:05,970 --> 00:12:10,100 Part of the government's theory was that McDonald's have been defrauded 128 00:12:10,180 --> 00:12:15,770 by folks like George Chandler because they had violated the game rules. 129 00:12:15,850 --> 00:12:21,860 Game rules in a federal court of law, the federal statutes apply, mail fraud. 130 00:12:21,940 --> 00:12:25,490 I have never tried a case where the law 131 00:12:25,660 --> 00:12:29,410 is the game rules of a hamburger company. 132 00:12:29,490 --> 00:12:33,210 You literally have a federal prosecutor suggesting that 133 00:12:33,290 --> 00:12:38,960 if you broke the McDonald's game rules, you must be a criminal. 134 00:12:39,130 --> 00:12:42,670 There were those that would really question, 135 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,470 "Why are you even prosecuting it? It was just a game." 136 00:12:45,630 --> 00:12:50,890 There's a difference between a law and rules of a game. 137 00:12:50,970 --> 00:12:56,310 But even if an individual was tricked, and their friend was telling them, 138 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,270 "Why don't you do this? You act like you're the winner." 139 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,070 Well, you committed fraud because you deceived, 140 00:13:03,150 --> 00:13:08,280 you tricked Ronald McDonald into letting go of money. 141 00:13:08,370 --> 00:13:13,040 What gave the federal government the ability to prosecute this 142 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,250 was that they used the United States mail. 143 00:13:17,330 --> 00:13:21,670 If you have a scheme to trick somebody 144 00:13:21,750 --> 00:13:25,170 out of property or money, 145 00:13:25,260 --> 00:13:30,010 and you use our United States mail, 146 00:13:31,140 --> 00:13:32,560 that's a crime. 147 00:13:36,850 --> 00:13:40,980 The government dug its heels in on that and took the position that 148 00:13:41,060 --> 00:13:45,360 if someone found that game piece on the street and cashed it in, 149 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,950 they'd be committing a federal crime. 150 00:13:48,030 --> 00:13:51,830 But the McDonald's witnesses called by the government 151 00:13:51,990 --> 00:13:55,450 admitted that there's nothing that prohibits a transfer of a ticket. 152 00:13:55,620 --> 00:13:58,830 So St. Jude could get a ticket given to them as a gift, 153 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,590 George Chandler can get the ticket by buying it or having it handed to him. 154 00:14:02,670 --> 00:14:04,880 All of that was perfectly lawful. 155 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:09,090 Now, of course, the defense made a big deal of St. Jude saying, "See? 156 00:14:09,260 --> 00:14:14,430 McDonald's didn't even follow the rules, didn't follow their own rules." 157 00:14:14,510 --> 00:14:16,730 They did follow the rules. 158 00:14:16,810 --> 00:14:20,980 McDonald's gave St. Jude's Hospital a million-dollar donation 159 00:14:21,150 --> 00:14:23,900 as a gesture of goodwill and fairness. 160 00:14:25,940 --> 00:14:27,940 I don't think the average person 161 00:14:28,110 --> 00:14:31,030 would think if they got a game piece from somebody else, 162 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,410 but most in these circumstance that they were doing anything wrong, 163 00:14:34,580 --> 00:14:40,290 even though they would tell him a lie, it wasn't a crime. 164 00:14:40,370 --> 00:14:43,460 They didn't know though that the piece was stolen. 165 00:14:43,540 --> 00:14:47,170 It's like the difference of buying a car that's stolen 166 00:14:47,260 --> 00:14:50,470 versus, "Oh, look, I got a really good deal," and had they known, 167 00:14:50,550 --> 00:14:54,970 I would suspect many of them, if not, all of them, wouldn't have bought it. 168 00:15:00,980 --> 00:15:05,150 I was a witness for the US government for Mark Devereaux. 169 00:15:05,230 --> 00:15:07,610 I remember a question that Devereaux asked me, 170 00:15:07,780 --> 00:15:11,240 he said, "When did you find out the game pieces were stolen?" 171 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,160 I said, "You told me they weren't stolen." 172 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:19,120 If he could have come up and punched me at that time, he probably would have. 173 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,290 But he stepped right into it, because it was the truth. 174 00:15:25,590 --> 00:15:28,050 Jerry had never told anyone. 175 00:15:29,130 --> 00:15:33,390 No one in the whole process knew that he was stealing the game pieces. 176 00:15:33,550 --> 00:15:38,390 People said, "Well, how? You got to be kidding me." No. 177 00:15:38,470 --> 00:15:43,020 I knew Jerry has done something wrong. He said, "I want the game pieces." 178 00:15:43,100 --> 00:15:45,610 But the reality is, 179 00:15:45,690 --> 00:15:50,900 He had right to place them wherever he wanted. He was taking money for them. 180 00:15:50,990 --> 00:15:56,410 There's only one witness that could say what George Chandler knew 181 00:15:56,490 --> 00:15:59,080 and that was his foster brother, Mr. Dwight Baker. 182 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,450 And he told the jury in substance that, 183 00:16:01,540 --> 00:16:05,460 "I heard George Chandler and Dwight Baker made it clear to the jury 184 00:16:05,540 --> 00:16:08,210 that George was not a member of the conspiracy." He said that, 185 00:16:08,300 --> 00:16:12,880 sworn testimony. The FBI did a wiretap for two months. 186 00:16:12,970 --> 00:16:17,260 Hundreds and hundreds of phone calls and not one word about George Chandler 187 00:16:17,430 --> 00:16:21,850 had in any complicity and knowledge of tickets being stolen or embezzled. 188 00:16:21,930 --> 00:16:24,350 The judge agreed with us, 189 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,270 and he announced that he was gonna add a jury instruction that 190 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,820 the juries could not convict unless Chandler knew the ticket was stolen 191 00:16:30,980 --> 00:16:34,650 or unlawfully obtained. 192 00:16:34,740 --> 00:16:36,740 We knew then we should win the case. 193 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:43,080 Today, the Lawrenceville man who admitted fixing the McDonald's Monopoly 194 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,620 a few years ago testifies in federal court. 195 00:16:45,710 --> 00:16:47,500 Jerome Jacobson took the winning tickets 196 00:16:47,580 --> 00:16:52,090 while working as head of security for the company that ran the game. 197 00:16:52,170 --> 00:16:53,260 The obvious question 198 00:16:53,340 --> 00:16:56,590 and one of the things that was important for us to present to the jury 199 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,680 was how in the world could he, Jerome Jacobson, 200 00:16:59,850 --> 00:17:04,480 steal winning pieces from the fortress that was Simon Marketing and Dittler 201 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,560 while he was being accompanied by a lady from an accounting firm? 202 00:17:08,730 --> 00:17:10,820 How did he do it? 203 00:17:13,070 --> 00:17:18,530 When I put a witness on the stand, especially like Mr. Jacobson, 204 00:17:18,620 --> 00:17:23,620 I tried to do the defenses job before I let the defense do it telling them, 205 00:17:23,700 --> 00:17:28,330 "Mr. Jacobson, you're a thief." And make him admit that. 206 00:17:28,420 --> 00:17:32,090 I don't want the jury to think I'm some friend to his 207 00:17:32,170 --> 00:17:35,170 because I'm not a friend of Mr. Jacobson. 208 00:17:35,260 --> 00:17:38,930 Just tell the truth, what'd you do? 209 00:17:41,350 --> 00:17:45,270 The way this would work is that the airports were big hub for him. 210 00:17:45,350 --> 00:17:47,230 It's how he got around. 211 00:17:48,730 --> 00:17:53,440 And he would utilize the frequent flyer lounges, 212 00:17:53,530 --> 00:17:58,200 the crown rooms. He would frequent those a lot. 213 00:18:05,540 --> 00:18:08,710 Hilda Bennett was accompanying Jerry Jacobson, 214 00:18:08,790 --> 00:18:13,130 but she is not walking in to the men's bathroom facility with him. 215 00:18:14,670 --> 00:18:18,430 Hilda was supposed to be with him at all times. 216 00:18:18,510 --> 00:18:22,050 She was never ever under any circumstances 217 00:18:22,220 --> 00:18:27,390 to give the briefcase full of winning tickets to Jerry and Jerry alone. 218 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,570 The briefcase had combinations on it. 219 00:18:42,450 --> 00:18:45,740 Jerry had his combination. 220 00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:47,700 Hilda had hers. 221 00:18:48,580 --> 00:18:51,290 And somehow he found out her combination. 222 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,420 He had to look over his shoulder, like he did at the vault 223 00:18:58,590 --> 00:19:00,260 and get the combination. 224 00:19:02,010 --> 00:19:04,680 He said he went into a stall where he had privacy 225 00:19:04,850 --> 00:19:07,640 and he just opened up the briefcase. 226 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,230 The game pieces were in an envelope that was sealed with a sticker 227 00:19:12,310 --> 00:19:16,690 that if you remove the sticker, it would show that it was removed. 228 00:19:16,770 --> 00:19:20,740 This is before 9/11. He'd take a little pen knife, 229 00:19:22,450 --> 00:19:26,330 open it up, take those game pieces. 230 00:19:26,490 --> 00:19:31,000 He knows one of them is a winning million-dollar game piece. 231 00:19:33,250 --> 00:19:34,880 He brought commons with him 232 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,250 so that they would have the right amount of pieces on it 233 00:19:38,340 --> 00:19:43,130 because on the outside of the envelope, it would say 37 pieces. 234 00:19:43,220 --> 00:19:46,970 So he couldn't take the winners out, it wouldn't be 37 anymore 235 00:19:47,140 --> 00:19:49,220 so he had to bring some to replace it. 236 00:19:49,390 --> 00:19:51,390 For some reason, no idea why 237 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:56,310 he got sent the stickers that went on the envelopes. 238 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,900 He got a sheet of them sent to him by mistake. 239 00:20:00,990 --> 00:20:03,960 You know, he showed me the envelope, had that little seal hologram on it. 240 00:20:04,030 --> 00:20:07,410 He said, "Nobody can get them from me because this is sealed 241 00:20:07,580 --> 00:20:10,330 and it's got special mark on it if anybody tries to get into it." 242 00:20:10,410 --> 00:20:15,710 So he would close the envelope and put on a new sticker and nobody knew. 243 00:20:15,790 --> 00:20:19,420 But had he not gotten the stickers, he never could have done this. 244 00:20:31,020 --> 00:20:35,230 Nobody suspected that and that's how he did it. 245 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,730 After he stole all the game pieces 246 00:20:41,900 --> 00:20:46,780 he would end up going to these factories and making a big plague. 247 00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:48,990 "Ladies and gentleman, please see, 248 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:53,330 here is the seed pack which contains one of the winning game pieces. 249 00:20:53,500 --> 00:20:57,210 Please everyone, look at it to ensure that it has not been tampered with. 250 00:20:57,290 --> 00:21:01,960 Look, I take my job so serious, I even wear a bulletproof vest." 251 00:21:02,050 --> 00:21:05,800 And everybody is thinking, "Wow, this guy is going rarely overboard." 252 00:21:05,970 --> 00:21:08,970 But it was all a show. 253 00:21:09,140 --> 00:21:13,730 The biggest break in the chain to me was the security auditor, Hilda. 254 00:21:13,810 --> 00:21:16,600 But I can't totally blame her 255 00:21:16,690 --> 00:21:20,150 because I've seen a lot of people not stand up to Jerry 256 00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:26,610 that lame take a little pass rather than go in for a confrontation. 257 00:21:27,660 --> 00:21:31,030 Our first thought was the two of them had to be in cahoots. 258 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,000 How else could it work? I wanna get two really good interviewers down here 259 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:39,500 because I wanna know once and for all, is she involved, is she not involved. 260 00:21:39,580 --> 00:21:44,090 So we interviewed Hilda Bennett and the other people from the CPA firm. 261 00:21:44,170 --> 00:21:48,180 They weren't involved. We had no money, trading hands, 262 00:21:48,260 --> 00:21:53,220 nothing to show that they were a part of this game. 263 00:21:53,310 --> 00:21:58,440 How could you not be involved? But she turned out to be an honest lady 264 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:03,400 and just got had by Jerry like he did everybody else. 265 00:22:03,570 --> 00:22:05,610 I think he told me at some point, he goes, 266 00:22:05,690 --> 00:22:10,950 "Yeah, these CPA firms that we're hiring to follow me 267 00:22:11,030 --> 00:22:14,120 legitimize this process, a bunch of idiots." 268 00:22:14,290 --> 00:22:19,210 As he coined this, "I'm stupid, but I was smarter than those guys." 269 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,550 We're near the end of merely six hours of closing arguments 270 00:22:29,630 --> 00:22:32,350 in which defense attorneys have tried to convince the jury 271 00:22:32,430 --> 00:22:34,310 that their clients are victims, too. 272 00:22:34,390 --> 00:22:37,770 They said they will play just like everyone else in this scam. 273 00:22:37,850 --> 00:22:40,480 George Chandler's lawyer insists his client thought 274 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,520 he was helping his foster father hide assets during a sticky divorce. 275 00:22:44,610 --> 00:22:46,150 This case goes to the jury next, 276 00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:49,900 and what they have to decide is whether they have any reasonable doubt 277 00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:53,200 any of these guys intended to be part of a scam. 278 00:22:54,280 --> 00:23:00,670 Until trial, Jerry had never told anyone he had went into the bathroom 279 00:23:00,750 --> 00:23:05,040 and changed out the game pieces and was stealing them. He never told anybody. 280 00:23:05,130 --> 00:23:09,220 In order for it to be a crime, you have to acknowledge that it's stolen. 281 00:23:10,930 --> 00:23:12,590 No one knew. 282 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,980 When the jury gave their verdict to the judge, 283 00:23:19,060 --> 00:23:24,060 there was kind of a respectful but pregnant silence. 284 00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:32,740 And then the judge said, "Guilty." 285 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,490 It confirmed my worst fear. 286 00:23:40,450 --> 00:23:42,710 And that was hard. It was difficult. 287 00:23:47,460 --> 00:23:51,670 When you put 12 people together in that box, it's something magical. 288 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,640 And I'm not saying anybody is a lie detector, 289 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:01,310 but most of us can after a while go... that just doesn't pass the smell test. 290 00:24:04,060 --> 00:24:05,650 We're very pleased with the verdict. 291 00:24:05,730 --> 00:24:09,980 I think that shows that there's no easy way to make money but to work hard. 292 00:24:10,150 --> 00:24:16,320 And I think it shows that fraud is not a game and fraud is just thievery. 293 00:24:16,410 --> 00:24:17,950 Thanks a lot. 294 00:24:22,750 --> 00:24:27,130 George never wavered nor did I in our belief in his innocence 295 00:24:27,210 --> 00:24:29,340 and we went right to work to put together 296 00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:32,050 a comprehensive motion for judgment of acquittal. 297 00:24:32,130 --> 00:24:34,430 We knew we would fail, 298 00:24:34,510 --> 00:24:38,470 but that doesn't change the fact that you've been found guilty. 299 00:24:40,010 --> 00:24:44,560 I remember coming home and talking to Russell about the verdict. 300 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,020 I remember Russell asking me 301 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,450 if I was gonna have to go to jail. 302 00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:58,200 And I didn't know how to answer him. 303 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:04,960 I didn't think he was serious. I was like, "You're not serious." 304 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,960 All you think about at 10 years old is going behind bars. 305 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,300 You see all these bars on TV and that's jail to you. 306 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,470 I was definitely afraid for him. Am I gonna get to see my dad anymore? 307 00:25:18,550 --> 00:25:22,310 Am I gonna get to see him for the next 10 years? Is he going away for life? 308 00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:25,560 It's heart-wrenching for sure because you wanna say, 309 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:30,310 "Daddy, when am I gonna see you? What do you have to do?" You don't know. 310 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,320 And he loved up to me and I took him under my arm, 311 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:40,280 told him it's gonna be all right. We'll make it through. 312 00:25:40,370 --> 00:25:42,160 And... 313 00:25:45,330 --> 00:25:47,580 I told him not to worry. 314 00:25:48,370 --> 00:25:49,830 That... 315 00:25:52,210 --> 00:25:56,970 That the truth will eventually win the battle. 316 00:26:03,180 --> 00:26:07,850 Robin Colombo took part in a nationwide scheme to steal the game winnings. 317 00:26:07,940 --> 00:26:11,770 Maximum penalty of a single count of mail fraud is five years in prison 318 00:26:11,860 --> 00:26:15,190 and a $250,000 fine along with restitution. 319 00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:18,110 - And what did you get sentenced to? - Eighteen months. 320 00:26:19,700 --> 00:26:23,830 Because of my past records they were throwing out all kind of numbers, 321 00:26:23,910 --> 00:26:27,750 10 years, and when we went for sentencing, the judge said, 322 00:26:27,910 --> 00:26:31,750 "That was so long ago. We'll forget about that." 323 00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:33,920 He gave me the year and a day. 324 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:41,430 The judge gave me six months of ankle brace and then 12-months' probation. 325 00:26:44,810 --> 00:26:47,430 I wore an ankle bracelet, yes, sir, for two years. 326 00:26:48,980 --> 00:26:52,440 Two years house arrest and probation. 327 00:26:52,860 --> 00:26:56,980 When I was in the courtroom that day, I was thinking to myself, 328 00:26:57,070 --> 00:27:01,530 "I'm gonna be going to jail and I got to make plans for my son 329 00:27:01,610 --> 00:27:05,450 to figure out who gonna be the best person for him to stay with." 330 00:27:07,490 --> 00:27:10,250 He said, "We're not gonna lock you up." 331 00:27:10,330 --> 00:27:13,460 And I said, "Well, that's a good thing." 332 00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:17,250 My full sentencing was I had to pay restitution. 333 00:27:17,340 --> 00:27:20,670 My house still has a lean on it 334 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:26,260 but it was a sigh relief that I'll be able to be home with my child. 335 00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:33,560 White-collar crimes notoriously do not get high sentences. 336 00:27:33,650 --> 00:27:36,690 If they haven't committed another crime, they have no priors, 337 00:27:36,770 --> 00:27:40,610 and they cooperate, they may only get two years imprisonment. 338 00:27:42,780 --> 00:27:48,410 Jerry Jacobson got the most severe sentence to approximately three years. 339 00:27:48,580 --> 00:27:54,250 He pled guilty, received a 37-month sentence, I think. 340 00:27:55,130 --> 00:27:57,750 And I would consider that a victory. 341 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,090 He should have got more. 342 00:27:59,250 --> 00:28:03,010 It's just done square up to me, but again, like I said, I'm just an agent. 343 00:28:03,090 --> 00:28:07,220 Most agents probably believe that. So we're glad we don't wear the robe. 344 00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:09,260 Thirty-seven months in prison, 345 00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:13,640 particularly with somebody who has MS is not exactly an easy sentence either. 346 00:28:13,810 --> 00:28:16,100 A night is a long time in prison. 347 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,570 The sympathetic heart of a criminal defense lawyer. 348 00:28:24,740 --> 00:28:28,200 As part of Jerry's sentence he was ordered to pay I think 349 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,830 somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 million in restitution 350 00:28:31,910 --> 00:28:34,120 and I believe forfeiture as well. 351 00:28:34,210 --> 00:28:37,170 It was more than he could pay. 352 00:28:37,250 --> 00:28:42,970 And so at a certain point, it becomes irrelevant. 353 00:28:45,220 --> 00:28:50,640 So when I went to jail and meet with the unit manager, and he says, 354 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,680 "You owe three and a half million dollars." 355 00:28:53,770 --> 00:28:57,100 I said, "Yeah." He said, "Do you have it?" 356 00:28:58,060 --> 00:29:01,070 I said, "Yeah. It's in my locker. I brought it in with me. 357 00:29:01,150 --> 00:29:04,490 Maybe if you come and help me, we could carry it in here." 358 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,910 To this day, I pay a hundred and sixty dollars a month. 359 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,370 If you had to do it again would you do it again? 360 00:29:17,460 --> 00:29:19,000 Tomorrow. 361 00:29:20,790 --> 00:29:22,840 Tomorrow. 362 00:29:48,030 --> 00:29:50,370 These heels! 363 00:29:51,870 --> 00:29:57,080 I've had a crazy journey really after Jerry, my husband, died. 364 00:29:58,290 --> 00:30:01,500 I was a shell of a woman. It was horrible. 365 00:30:01,670 --> 00:30:04,760 I couldn't eat. I couldn't do nothing. 366 00:30:12,970 --> 00:30:15,850 So, I didn't wanna be here no more. 367 00:30:17,850 --> 00:30:19,730 So, I... 368 00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:23,150 took a lot of pills. 369 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,610 I told Jerry, "I'll see you soon." 370 00:30:31,870 --> 00:30:34,450 That should have killed me. That didn't. 371 00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:48,760 Long story short, I got in the nut hut. I'm here. 372 00:30:54,220 --> 00:30:58,850 Jerry had a lot of faults. I know he cheated on me. I know he lied. 373 00:31:01,810 --> 00:31:06,440 But he was also my mediator, my middleman that kept me from 374 00:31:06,610 --> 00:31:11,360 the family, from people, hurting me. 375 00:31:15,490 --> 00:31:17,910 He always took my side. 376 00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:21,080 I can't find my... Where's my lighter? 377 00:31:25,380 --> 00:31:31,220 The Colombos, I know they blame me. How could you not? I'm the driver. 378 00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:34,300 I would. 379 00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:38,350 You blame everybody. You blame God. You, blame... 380 00:31:40,430 --> 00:31:42,020 It felt... 381 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,980 When my mother went to prison, after Jerry died, 382 00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:50,190 it ended up becoming 383 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:56,280 a big war between my family and the Colombos. 384 00:31:58,660 --> 00:32:03,500 They ended up keeping my brother, who's three years old at the time. 385 00:32:03,580 --> 00:32:06,670 Hi, camera. Hi, camera. 386 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,750 I would call them all the time, trying to get him. 387 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,760 They would never let me see him. 388 00:32:20,390 --> 00:32:25,600 I was in prison, counting the days until I'm gonna see my damn son. 389 00:32:25,690 --> 00:32:29,650 And Monopoly put me back in prison. 390 00:32:31,530 --> 00:32:36,700 I lost my son, my husband, losing my freedom again. 391 00:32:38,370 --> 00:32:41,450 I don't know what else I'm gonna do. 392 00:32:52,590 --> 00:32:57,260 He never once apologized ever for doing it, first of all. 393 00:32:57,340 --> 00:33:00,850 I don't think he's regretting anything he did. 394 00:33:01,010 --> 00:33:04,810 He pulled off a twenty-million dollar McDonald's scam. 395 00:33:04,890 --> 00:33:09,270 He's famous almost, you know. You're doing a movie about him. 396 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:18,030 Talking about the consequence, I remember his remorsefulness and grief 397 00:33:18,110 --> 00:33:22,240 when he realized that other people were being charged. 398 00:33:22,330 --> 00:33:24,750 He didn't imagine that could happen. 399 00:33:30,380 --> 00:33:35,220 We did not realize what it was going to do at the time that Jerry was caught. 400 00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:38,590 So our paper were all vilified, we did nothing wrong. 401 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,060 - We're doing our job. - We're doing what we're supposed to. 402 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,310 After they announced to close the plant to everybody, we had no choice. 403 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,900 You didn't get a severance or anything, you were just terminated basically. 404 00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:59,490 You would be amazed if the reaction and the emotion you saw 405 00:33:59,570 --> 00:34:03,540 in a lot of the people, some of them just about crying. 406 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,670 So, we all lost our jobs because this place disappeared. 407 00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:11,380 There is no Dittler Brothers. 408 00:34:13,340 --> 00:34:17,590 And it just all came crashing to an end because of one person. 409 00:34:17,670 --> 00:34:20,510 It hurt a lot of people. 410 00:34:20,590 --> 00:34:24,310 I would hope he feels bad, just because we built friendships. 411 00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:27,640 I remember the joke around. They wished he would come back up here, 412 00:34:27,730 --> 00:34:31,100 and sent in the lobby, and just wait everybody as they walk by, slap him. 413 00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:33,860 I think he would need protection if he came back up to the plant. 414 00:34:33,940 --> 00:34:37,530 Because what he done over 10 years... 415 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,030 He has never once mentioned 416 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:51,920 all the chaos and destruction that he caused with his little project. 417 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,340 And he didn't even seem to think about it. 418 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,510 He has a variety of thoughts about why he did it. 419 00:35:00,590 --> 00:35:06,220 But, basically, he said it was utter stupidity on his part. 420 00:35:09,770 --> 00:35:16,520 Jerry and I were married from 1973 until '76. 421 00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:21,950 Let's put it this way. It went from worse to unbearable. 422 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,910 When the child was brought up a certain way, they wind up a certain way. 423 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,790 He never felt worthy of much. He was raised without money, 424 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:40,210 and he felt like he'd played second fiddle to Marvin 425 00:35:40,300 --> 00:35:45,180 because Marvin was getting the financial support. 426 00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:51,310 We were friends, but 427 00:35:53,940 --> 00:35:57,150 we're not brothers, if that's a word you wanna say. 428 00:35:57,230 --> 00:36:02,400 No. There were no fun stories. There are no fun stories. No. 429 00:36:05,370 --> 00:36:08,030 And sometimes in his life, he decided 430 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,750 "I want what all these other people have." 431 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:18,840 He wanted people to look up at him for his prestige, 432 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,420 the money that he had in the bank, 433 00:36:22,510 --> 00:36:26,680 so it could suppress all the negative feelings. 434 00:36:27,930 --> 00:36:32,310 And he achieved what he wanted to. He had money. He had status. 435 00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:35,060 He had everything. 436 00:36:37,110 --> 00:36:40,190 But then paid dearly for it. 437 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:48,320 He may be remorseful, but he also may think, "Well, I did have it once." 438 00:36:54,540 --> 00:36:57,880 Scarlet! McKinley! 439 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,800 Russell! Taylor! Pruitt! 440 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,590 What? 441 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,800 Wake up. 442 00:37:09,890 --> 00:37:12,890 - You can't wear that. - Why? 443 00:37:12,970 --> 00:37:17,770 It's church, Pruitt. It's church, the Lord's house. Come on. 444 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,280 I knew the odds of winning the appeal were very, very slim. 445 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:28,360 I was just sentenced to probation. So I remember thinking, 446 00:37:30,030 --> 00:37:31,240 "What's the point?" 447 00:37:31,410 --> 00:37:37,250 But I wanted to appeal because I needed justice to be served. 448 00:37:40,290 --> 00:37:43,920 Okay. We're ready? Let's roll. Load up. 449 00:37:46,130 --> 00:37:48,470 We wanna head this direction. 450 00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:54,430 When I was convicted, Mark Devereaux knew the evidence was overwhelming, 451 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,060 that I was not involved in a conspiracy. 452 00:37:58,350 --> 00:38:02,770 Mr. Chandler certainly didn't have clean hands. 453 00:38:02,860 --> 00:38:06,900 He was willing to take money from 454 00:38:06,990 --> 00:38:09,570 a lady that should possibly get 455 00:38:09,660 --> 00:38:13,030 50% of whatever the money is through a divorce. 456 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:18,040 He was lying to McDonald's, willing to do that, too. 457 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,960 There was no wife, that was a phantom story, because the appeal that we wrote 458 00:38:22,130 --> 00:38:28,470 disagreed, and said that type of approach is standing criminal law. 459 00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:31,890 But the percentage of criminal convictions to get reversed 460 00:38:31,970 --> 00:38:35,140 by the 11th Circuit is down around two percent. 461 00:38:35,310 --> 00:38:39,850 So we felt we were right. But being right doesn't always mean that you win. 462 00:38:42,810 --> 00:38:48,110 The court of appeals agreed with us. We won the appeal in 2004. 463 00:38:48,190 --> 00:38:51,110 The world was now making sense again. 464 00:38:52,450 --> 00:38:54,660 Yeah, I was eventually acquitted. 465 00:38:54,740 --> 00:38:59,160 The problem was I still lost a lot of people's trust. 466 00:39:00,410 --> 00:39:04,710 And that hurts. And there's real damage there, 467 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:10,840 real and lasting, and permanent damage. 468 00:39:14,890 --> 00:39:21,140 For a long time, I was angry with Dwight. And I felt violated. 469 00:39:21,310 --> 00:39:27,360 Dwight was my friend. I trusted him, and I looked up to him. 470 00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:33,700 - Hey, George. - Hey, Dwight. How are you? 471 00:39:34,910 --> 00:39:39,620 - How's the family? - Doing all good. 472 00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:43,120 I told Dwight, "I forgive you. 473 00:39:44,830 --> 00:39:47,500 I'm not angry with you anymore." 474 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:55,430 I would never want anybody to go through the pain and hell 475 00:39:55,590 --> 00:39:58,270 with the people that have been involved because of my behavior 476 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,600 have had to go through. 477 00:40:00,770 --> 00:40:04,600 You pay for some bad choices. And the sad part is 478 00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:10,230 everybody around you pays for your bad choices. 479 00:40:22,370 --> 00:40:25,000 We all make mistakes. 480 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,670 He shouldn't be faulted for the rest of his life. 481 00:40:31,300 --> 00:40:35,760 It's hard to move on sometimes. 482 00:40:35,930 --> 00:40:39,680 You can never quite get back to normal, 483 00:40:41,220 --> 00:40:46,980 but you can forgive, and you can extend grace to people. 484 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,530 I just wanted to do better in life, 485 00:40:52,690 --> 00:40:57,320 and didn't think of all the repercussions that was involved. 486 00:40:57,950 --> 00:41:02,950 I did a crooked deed, and I've been knocked down. 487 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,830 Just get up and keep moving. And that's what I did. 488 00:41:11,170 --> 00:41:14,880 Probation officer told me before, as far as Robin was concerned, 489 00:41:14,970 --> 00:41:17,890 no contact at all. 490 00:41:17,970 --> 00:41:21,140 Told her that I'm not gonna 491 00:41:21,220 --> 00:41:24,390 associate myself with her, and I don't need no more trouble. 492 00:41:27,230 --> 00:41:29,610 Just recently... 493 00:41:29,690 --> 00:41:33,530 I saw her for the first time since all of this happened. 494 00:41:33,610 --> 00:41:36,820 - Hi. Hey, hey. My friend. - What's up, girl? 495 00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:40,910 First thing I'm gonna get you is a wireless doorbell. 496 00:41:40,990 --> 00:41:45,830 Night and day, I don't know if we would be friends for some reason. 497 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,170 And she's a good person. She really is. 498 00:41:50,250 --> 00:41:52,210 - You want a cup of coffee? - Half a cup. 499 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,470 Once we all got indicted, I was the asshole. 500 00:42:00,550 --> 00:42:06,270 I was an outcast because I got them involved. 501 00:42:08,190 --> 00:42:11,060 You start all over. 502 00:42:11,230 --> 00:42:14,230 I started over umpteen times. 503 00:42:21,660 --> 00:42:27,660 He never got any money. Nothing. And then, he lost his career. 504 00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:30,460 I lost him as a friend. 505 00:42:30,620 --> 00:42:35,210 It's one of the regrets that I have. I made a lot of regrets in my life, 506 00:42:35,300 --> 00:42:39,470 but Michael was one of my big regrets. 507 00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:46,770 I was put at risk. 508 00:42:46,850 --> 00:42:52,770 I was put at risk of maybe never seeing grandkids, kids, wife, going to jail. 509 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,610 I'm not a dumb person, but I did a dumb thing. 510 00:42:58,690 --> 00:43:03,910 And when I thought it was over, it was over. I never... 511 00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:07,410 And that hurt. That hurt. 512 00:43:07,580 --> 00:43:09,080 We haven't spoken since. 513 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,460 - You cut off communication with Jerry? - We have not spoken since. 514 00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:20,550 Did I do stupid things? Yeah. Do I regret it? Of course. 515 00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:22,510 The only thing is though, I met you, 516 00:43:22,590 --> 00:43:26,350 that was a real benefit out of the whole thing, of the whole thing. 517 00:43:26,430 --> 00:43:30,230 I did it. I could've got a real dick as a prosecutor. 518 00:43:30,310 --> 00:43:35,230 I end up making a personal friend. So there's always a benefit in life. 519 00:43:35,310 --> 00:43:39,610 I think one of the funniest was when you invited my wife and I 520 00:43:39,690 --> 00:43:41,820 to your 60th birthday. 521 00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:45,410 And then when you said, "Well, this is the guy that prosecuted me." 522 00:43:45,490 --> 00:43:49,120 Everybody's like, they didn't know what to say. 523 00:43:55,630 --> 00:43:57,290 You learn to live with everything. 524 00:43:57,460 --> 00:44:01,170 I've learned to live with cancer, so. 525 00:44:01,340 --> 00:44:06,300 Your life changes. Your priorities change. 526 00:44:10,270 --> 00:44:14,690 I was excommunicated from the church. And still am. 527 00:44:14,770 --> 00:44:17,020 I hope to change that someday. 528 00:44:17,690 --> 00:44:23,070 Because I have a lot to still contribute. Yeah. 529 00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:30,240 They always say you gotta fall before you can rise. 530 00:44:30,330 --> 00:44:34,830 And I seen my dad grow so much stronger over time because of 531 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,500 the adversity he had faced. 532 00:44:39,540 --> 00:44:44,720 I know McDonald's was victimized. But they didn't lose anything here. 533 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,640 Who you gonna say, their sales dipped? That's a loser. 534 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:53,850 But it's all the people that participated in this contest, 535 00:44:54,020 --> 00:44:56,560 and thought that it was legitimate. 536 00:44:56,730 --> 00:45:00,770 And then, the byproduct victims, Simon Marketing was one. 537 00:45:00,860 --> 00:45:06,070 Ditler Brothers. Some of these people, they lost their job in a day. 538 00:45:08,030 --> 00:45:10,200 I'm gonna go onto the next case. 539 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,620 But the people that depend on that job, they're gone. 540 00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:17,290 All because of 541 00:45:17,460 --> 00:45:22,710 one man's greed, Jerry Jacobson. He's by himself on that. 542 00:45:25,590 --> 00:45:29,390 If somebody said to me that what he did was a victimless crime, 543 00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:34,980 I would tell them they've lost their mind. How can you say that? 544 00:45:35,930 --> 00:45:40,400 You wrecked so many people's lives. 545 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,110 If he said that, 546 00:45:43,980 --> 00:45:46,030 honestly, it would just be... 547 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,740 It would just be an excuse. 548 00:46:02,130 --> 00:46:04,800 Yeah, he definitely wants to put it in his past. 549 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,630 And when's the last time you guys spoke? 550 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,180 Probably about a month ago. 551 00:46:13,260 --> 00:46:17,390 Now he doesn't wanna think about it, don't wanna talk about it. Nothing. 552 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,190 So when I tease him, I said, "You got any tickets?" 553 00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:25,820 He didn't even respond. 554 00:46:25,980 --> 00:46:30,070 He violated the law, he went to jail, he's got 12 million in restitution. 555 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:35,870 He's testified. He's been on the news. This case keeps now 18 years later, 556 00:46:35,950 --> 00:46:39,830 getting attention, and all they wanna do is live their life. 557 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,580 He wants to live his remaining life in peace, 558 00:46:42,670 --> 00:46:47,710 without having to answer for this to everybody around him again. 559 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,800 I think he got off pretty easily. 560 00:46:49,970 --> 00:46:52,680 You talked about he got a slap on the wrist. 561 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,180 Because he still has his life. He still has his nice house. He still has cars. 562 00:46:57,350 --> 00:47:01,770 Plus, they find the money that he's kept buried probably someplace. 563 00:47:01,850 --> 00:47:05,020 - Do you think so? - Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 564 00:47:05,110 --> 00:47:08,900 Contingency plan. Come on. It's him. 565 00:47:08,990 --> 00:47:13,110 I would have money buried someplace. Come on. 566 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,710 The truth of the matter is the vast majority of these winners, 567 00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:23,460 they're good people. They just said something stupid, 568 00:47:23,540 --> 00:47:27,170 and there's not anybody that doesn't do something stupid. 569 00:47:28,590 --> 00:47:32,050 Many didn't recognize the severity of it. 570 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,640 And probably had no idea that they were committing a federal crime. 571 00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:44,940 "It's so easy, this is all you have to do. You're not hurting anybody." 572 00:47:46,940 --> 00:47:50,610 They just wanted some free easy money. 573 00:47:50,690 --> 00:47:54,200 To do something that we all know is wrong. 574 00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:06,130 The McDonald's case was what we call a career case. 575 00:48:06,210 --> 00:48:07,840 Not all agents get a career case. 576 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,840 You're doing something that it seems like they will make a movie about it. 577 00:48:17,010 --> 00:48:19,890 I'm really happy that everything ended how it did. 578 00:48:20,060 --> 00:48:22,980 That we were able to put the game back. 579 00:48:23,060 --> 00:48:26,520 It's still today at McDonald's in a very fun game. 580 00:48:26,690 --> 00:48:31,990 Much more secure, and we just wanna make sure that justice was served. 581 00:48:32,070 --> 00:48:34,240 And I do feel that it was. 582 00:48:34,990 --> 00:48:37,700 John Ashcroft, who was the attorney-general, 583 00:48:37,780 --> 00:48:40,830 thanked me for the service to the country. 584 00:48:40,990 --> 00:48:43,870 And that was a really proud moment. 585 00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:46,580 I have no letters from Doug. 586 00:48:54,340 --> 00:48:58,390 When you look back now, which I don't really do much... 587 00:48:58,470 --> 00:49:00,720 For whatever reasons, you're just like, 588 00:49:00,810 --> 00:49:06,390 "This minefield of shit that we went around. And somehow, we were golden." 589 00:49:08,310 --> 00:49:13,190 I could've looked at that sticky note and said, "Whatever. What is that?" 590 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,410 But without the informant on this case, never would've happened. 591 00:49:17,490 --> 00:49:18,910 It started right there. 592 00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:25,870 So, you said that you had called the IRS. 593 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,340 But at no point did you ever call the FBI directly, did you? 594 00:49:30,420 --> 00:49:32,800 No. And why would I call the FBI? 595 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:37,720 I have no idea that that was even gonna be a factor. 596 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:43,640 I never heard from anyone again. IRS, detectives, FBI, McDonald's, 597 00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:48,480 Jerry, nobody. It was like, I never even was involved. 598 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,810 Can you imagine the IRS giving something to the FBI 599 00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:55,400 that turns out to be a case, that we didn't already know about? 600 00:49:55,490 --> 00:49:57,530 Holy shit, I hope we're better than that. 601 00:49:57,610 --> 00:50:00,410 My understanding was, it was a complaint duty call. 602 00:50:00,570 --> 00:50:04,410 Some disgruntled nonparticipant, but bystander, 603 00:50:04,580 --> 00:50:07,750 sat and burned the whole house down, and called the FBI. 604 00:50:07,830 --> 00:50:10,210 I'll tell you this, this is how you know. 605 00:50:10,290 --> 00:50:14,130 If the IRS had even, even tidily, 606 00:50:14,210 --> 00:50:17,670 just a minute scratched the surface of this case, 607 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,100 would've been a joint takedown, they would've been right there beside us, 608 00:50:22,180 --> 00:50:26,180 so go back and look. It's Ashcroft, and there's no IRS there. 609 00:50:26,270 --> 00:50:29,640 So I'll promise you that did not happen that way. 610 00:50:29,810 --> 00:50:32,060 Can you tell us who the informant is? 611 00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:34,020 Yeah, no, not in a million years. 612 00:50:34,190 --> 00:50:37,440 So good try. No sale. 613 00:50:42,740 --> 00:50:47,410 I don't think anybody thought that it was gonna get as big as it did. 614 00:50:48,410 --> 00:50:52,960 And it got really big, and it got really big really fast. 615 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,510 But I told them if it ever goes south, I don't wanna be caught up in this. 616 00:51:00,130 --> 00:51:03,800 Had I taken that McDonald's ticket and cashed it in, 617 00:51:03,970 --> 00:51:07,850 I honestly, in my heart, believe she still would have called the FBI, 618 00:51:07,930 --> 00:51:09,930 and I would be in prison right now. 619 00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:13,350 - Hello. - Hello, Francesco. 620 00:51:15,150 --> 00:51:19,780 - The informant was, who? - The informant was Frank's mother. 621 00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,370 After Jerry passed, and I seen all the nonsense going on, 622 00:51:26,530 --> 00:51:29,870 and all the manipulation, and people backstabbing each other. 623 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,250 There was a lot of things back then that happened. 624 00:51:34,380 --> 00:51:37,210 At that point, Frank's mother had custody of Francesco. 625 00:51:37,300 --> 00:51:42,340 But it became more and more evident that when Robin got out of prison, 626 00:51:42,430 --> 00:51:44,760 Robin was going to have her son. 627 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,970 And that didn't go over well with Frank's mother. 628 00:51:49,140 --> 00:51:54,940 So because her son was dead, and because she blamed whoever, 629 00:51:55,020 --> 00:52:00,320 for whatever occurred to her son, she then turned into the vengeful mode. 630 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:05,700 I'm going to now take the one thing that Robin has away from her. 631 00:52:05,780 --> 00:52:07,870 And that's her son. 632 00:52:09,790 --> 00:52:12,790 So she called the FBI. 633 00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:15,170 She's the one that decided to break it. 634 00:52:15,250 --> 00:52:19,380 Her son's dead, there was no link back, she called the FBI. 635 00:52:19,460 --> 00:52:24,090 And rat everybody out. That was the way it had to be. 636 00:52:24,260 --> 00:52:27,390 Laugh. Laugh. 637 00:52:34,850 --> 00:52:38,810 I went from living with my mom and I've lived with my mom's parents. 638 00:52:38,980 --> 00:52:41,940 I've lived with my dad's parents. 639 00:52:42,030 --> 00:52:46,360 That's the biggest struggle of my life, being torn between the two families. 640 00:52:46,530 --> 00:52:51,450 I felt like a pawn because a lot of it was pointing fingers at that point. 641 00:52:51,540 --> 00:52:55,160 It was a battle of them back and forth, and I was caught in the middle of it. 642 00:52:58,210 --> 00:53:02,170 Hey. Birthday girl! 643 00:53:02,260 --> 00:53:04,090 At this point in life, 644 00:53:04,260 --> 00:53:07,720 I wanna avoid conflict. I had so much of it in my childhood. 645 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,430 I don't wanna hear any negativity from anybody anymore. 646 00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:14,730 My mom and my grandma, 647 00:53:14,890 --> 00:53:18,980 surprisingly now, they have a pretty good relationship. 648 00:53:19,060 --> 00:53:23,030 In the long run, I ended up being their favorite daughter-in-law... 649 00:53:23,110 --> 00:53:26,240 I don't know if it's because I stood up to them. 650 00:53:27,740 --> 00:53:31,350 - A big change from all those years. - Yeah. 651 00:53:31,420 --> 00:53:38,420 She tells me everything, and she wants me to be the one, if papa goes first, 652 00:53:38,830 --> 00:53:43,880 to be the one she takes care of her. And I would be. 653 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,930 No matter what, I would be there for them. They know that. 654 00:53:48,010 --> 00:53:51,680 That's who I am. 655 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,690 She only gave them information on Robin, 656 00:54:07,070 --> 00:54:11,070 Robin's father, and Gloria. 657 00:54:12,740 --> 00:54:17,960 If she could get rid of Robin, maybe not death, but disappear, 658 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,420 then there was no one to take care of Francesco. 659 00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:25,590 But then there still remained Robin's parents, whom could have raised. 660 00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:29,840 So, they all had to go, to be able to have Francesco. 661 00:54:31,140 --> 00:54:34,720 And she was gaining her grandson. That was the reward. 662 00:54:34,810 --> 00:54:37,980 The reward was her grandson. 663 00:54:38,060 --> 00:54:43,810 My mother didn't realize that the FBI was gonna go after Jerome 664 00:54:43,900 --> 00:54:46,900 and wiretap his house, and so forth and so on. 665 00:54:46,980 --> 00:54:50,200 And then make another Monopoly game, and started connecting the dots. 666 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,200 Then, the Texas and then Rhode Island, 667 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,120 then he did all these other tickets for a couple of years. 668 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,210 So, this story has got revenge, it's got everything all wrapped up into one. 669 00:54:59,290 --> 00:55:01,970 Now you guys are the only people outside of us that knew that one. 670 00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,920 - We have not told anyone. - Anyone. No one on this planet. 671 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,340 We just figured it was time to tell the truth. 672 00:55:12,130 --> 00:55:14,220 - That's my youngest. - That's Vinny. 673 00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:15,600 Hey, bud. 674 00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,640 My son just came home from work. 675 00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:22,810 This is Vintonio. And he just happens to work for McDonald's now. 676 00:55:22,900 --> 00:55:23,940 Holy shit. 677 00:55:24,100 --> 00:55:27,730 So McDonald's has treated the family very well. 678 00:55:32,530 --> 00:55:36,780 Jerry Jacobson was released from prison in 2006. 679 00:55:37,790 --> 00:55:43,540 He currently lives with his 7th wife, Linda, near Atlanta, Georgia. 680 00:55:44,420 --> 00:55:51,050 He stole more than $24 million in cash and prizes over a 12-year period. 681 00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:57,300 He still pays $370 per month in restitution. 682 00:55:59,430 --> 00:56:01,520 In response to the scandal, 683 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:07,820 McDonald's gave away $25 million in prizes to randomly selected customers. 61808

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