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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,349 --> 00:00:02,697 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:02,698 --> 00:00:04,743 the people are represented by two separate, 3 00:00:05,048 --> 00:00:06,354 yet equally important groups. 4 00:00:06,615 --> 00:00:08,530 The police, who investigate crime, 5 00:00:09,226 --> 00:00:11,794 and the Crown Prosecutors, who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:12,273 --> 00:00:13,448 These are their stories. 7 00:00:17,321 --> 00:00:20,236 Police have been granted a further 24 hours 8 00:00:20,237 --> 00:00:21,543 to interview Lennie Gaines, 9 00:00:22,065 --> 00:00:23,806 the father of 10-year-old Jodie Gaines, 10 00:00:24,067 --> 00:00:25,416 who's been missing for seven days. 11 00:00:26,243 --> 00:00:28,331 Jodie went missing last Friday on her way 12 00:00:28,332 --> 00:00:30,204 to a music lesson in Central London. 13 00:00:30,769 --> 00:00:31,727 Earlier this week, 14 00:00:32,989 --> 00:00:33,772 Lennie Gaines and his ex-wife Kayleigh, 15 00:00:35,165 --> 00:00:37,124 made an emotional plea for Jodie's safe return. 16 00:00:37,820 --> 00:00:39,082 If you saw Jodie... 17 00:00:40,257 --> 00:00:41,389 and you know where... 18 00:00:43,739 --> 00:00:44,827 where she is... 19 00:00:57,361 --> 00:00:58,406 Please... 20 00:01:01,235 --> 00:01:02,366 tell the police. 21 00:01:10,461 --> 00:01:11,636 She's our baby. 22 00:01:15,379 --> 00:01:16,467 And we need her home. 23 00:01:19,122 --> 00:01:20,080 We need her home now. 24 00:01:24,475 --> 00:01:26,172 Couple of Latvian skip rats 25 00:01:26,173 --> 00:01:27,825 found her about three hours ago. 26 00:01:27,826 --> 00:01:29,306 They were after scrap metal. 27 00:01:29,654 --> 00:01:31,308 She was under that radiator. 28 00:01:31,569 --> 00:01:33,876 Time of death, about six to ten hours ago. 29 00:01:34,398 --> 00:01:35,704 Cause, not obvious. 30 00:01:37,271 --> 00:01:39,185 She'd only been dead an hour or so when they dumped her. 31 00:01:39,186 --> 00:01:42,624 There's abrasions on the palms of her hands. Looks like glass. 32 00:01:44,669 --> 00:01:45,627 Is it her? 33 00:01:46,149 --> 00:01:48,499 Jodie had a scar on her left arm. 34 00:01:52,634 --> 00:01:54,591 Any sign of her school bag or mobile? 35 00:01:54,592 --> 00:01:56,594 - Nothing yet. - Anything else for us? 36 00:01:56,812 --> 00:01:58,727 Couple of mothballs stuck to the sheet. 37 00:01:59,771 --> 00:02:01,338 Who uses mothballs these days? 38 00:02:02,644 --> 00:02:05,386 Who tapes a kid's mouth shut, and shoves them in a skip? 39 00:02:05,690 --> 00:02:08,476 I don't know... but it wasn't her dad. 40 00:02:10,434 --> 00:02:11,914 Let's get him out of the cells then, eh? 41 00:03:36,955 --> 00:03:38,740 We've told you everything we know. 42 00:03:39,262 --> 00:03:41,395 Yeah, but it will just help us, Mr Gaines. 43 00:03:41,917 --> 00:03:44,224 We just need to go over your statements again. 44 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:46,226 Routine, that's all. 45 00:03:46,530 --> 00:03:48,271 Forty-nine hours I've been locked up. 46 00:03:49,403 --> 00:03:51,883 And all the time she's been out there. Alive. 47 00:03:52,580 --> 00:03:55,582 Well, the other team, you know, made a bad call. 48 00:03:55,583 --> 00:03:57,759 And I know it doesn't make it any easier. 49 00:03:58,281 --> 00:04:00,761 But when a child goes missing, presumed dead, 50 00:04:00,762 --> 00:04:02,590 we have to consider every possibility. 51 00:04:03,895 --> 00:04:05,767 Even the fact that maybe the dad did it. 52 00:04:06,681 --> 00:04:07,682 Not this. 53 00:04:08,770 --> 00:04:09,858 Not this dad. 54 00:04:12,339 --> 00:04:14,601 Just like to go over Jodie's after-school routine, 55 00:04:14,602 --> 00:04:16,080 if that's okay. 56 00:04:16,081 --> 00:04:18,258 Just in case something may have been missed. 57 00:04:18,823 --> 00:04:22,043 Guitar lesson, 4 p.m. Poland Street. 58 00:04:22,044 --> 00:04:23,610 It's about a mile away from the school. 59 00:04:23,611 --> 00:04:24,785 And how does she get there? 60 00:04:24,786 --> 00:04:26,830 Same cab firm. They're all CRB checked. 61 00:04:26,831 --> 00:04:28,790 Look, Jodie knows all the drivers. 62 00:04:29,312 --> 00:04:30,791 Been through this a hundred times. 63 00:04:30,792 --> 00:04:32,010 Well, you don't think she's a bit young 64 00:04:32,315 --> 00:04:33,360 to be taking cabs on her own? 65 00:04:35,579 --> 00:04:37,407 Well, cabs, you know. 66 00:04:37,799 --> 00:04:39,453 They're checked, so they're safe, eh? 67 00:04:41,063 --> 00:04:43,500 She's usually back ten minutes after me. 68 00:04:44,936 --> 00:04:45,937 I waited... 69 00:04:47,112 --> 00:04:49,332 and waited, but she didn't come home. 70 00:04:52,857 --> 00:04:54,772 So, Jodie was staying with you, yeah? 71 00:04:55,382 --> 00:04:56,425 Jodie lived with me. 72 00:04:56,426 --> 00:04:58,385 The family courts gave me custody. 73 00:04:58,776 --> 00:04:59,821 Right. 74 00:05:00,474 --> 00:05:01,649 I'll call Grebo. 75 00:05:02,650 --> 00:05:03,564 Grebo? 76 00:05:05,783 --> 00:05:07,524 Grebo Maul. The guitar teacher. 77 00:05:08,395 --> 00:05:09,569 Lovely. Thanks, Matt. 78 00:05:09,570 --> 00:05:11,006 But he said she never showed up, but 79 00:05:11,615 --> 00:05:14,662 the school teacher said she saw her get into the cab. 80 00:05:16,838 --> 00:05:20,101 Cause of death was suffocation. Jodie had a stomach bug. 81 00:05:20,102 --> 00:05:21,016 Her mouth was taped shut. 82 00:05:22,234 --> 00:05:23,322 Vomit needed to go somewhere and it did. 83 00:05:23,323 --> 00:05:24,410 It clogged up her nasal passages. 84 00:05:24,411 --> 00:05:25,498 Jesus. 85 00:05:25,499 --> 00:05:26,803 So it could have been accidental. 86 00:05:26,804 --> 00:05:28,501 Oh, accidentally tape her mouth shut, did he? 87 00:05:28,502 --> 00:05:30,067 How are we gonna tell that to the dad? 88 00:05:30,068 --> 00:05:31,678 Well, it's her mum I'm worried about. 89 00:05:31,679 --> 00:05:33,115 Poor woman could barely speak. 90 00:05:33,681 --> 00:05:35,899 At least Jodie wasn't sexually assaulted. 91 00:05:35,900 --> 00:05:37,641 That's got to be some consolation. 92 00:05:37,859 --> 00:05:39,642 Although that could've been the motive 93 00:05:39,643 --> 00:05:41,209 for the kidnapping though. 94 00:05:41,210 --> 00:05:43,124 They did pull over 50 splinters of glass out of her hands. 95 00:05:43,125 --> 00:05:44,692 How did the glass get in her hands? 96 00:05:45,083 --> 00:05:47,128 Well, could've been a scuffle, glass could've smashed 97 00:05:47,129 --> 00:05:48,521 and she could've tried to crawl over it. 98 00:05:48,522 --> 00:05:50,131 Any news on the sheet she was wrapped up in? 99 00:05:50,132 --> 00:05:52,133 It was a 1950s vintage top sheet. 100 00:05:52,134 --> 00:05:53,613 Part of a set, but it could've come 101 00:05:53,614 --> 00:05:55,093 from any retro shop, jumble sale-- 102 00:05:56,747 --> 00:05:58,095 Or it could've been bought new and just had over, I don't know, 103 00:05:58,096 --> 00:05:59,750 - half a century's worth of use. - Yeah. 104 00:06:01,448 --> 00:06:02,623 Talk to the cabbie again. 105 00:06:03,406 --> 00:06:04,581 And to the guitar teacher. 106 00:06:07,454 --> 00:06:10,065 Like I told the other cops, she didn't show. 107 00:06:11,588 --> 00:06:14,374 The thing is, Grebo-- can I call you Grebo? 108 00:06:14,939 --> 00:06:18,682 We have a witness that saw her walk through your front door. 109 00:06:18,987 --> 00:06:20,075 I don't know what to say. 110 00:06:20,728 --> 00:06:21,903 You went through my flat. 111 00:06:23,383 --> 00:06:24,687 And don't think you won't get a bill for the damages. 112 00:06:24,688 --> 00:06:25,906 I'll give you the number of our complaints line. 113 00:06:25,907 --> 00:06:28,474 So Jodie comes to your place week in week out 114 00:06:28,475 --> 00:06:29,649 for guitar lessons. 115 00:06:29,650 --> 00:06:30,954 When she doesn't show up, 116 00:06:30,955 --> 00:06:32,739 you don't think to call her parents? 117 00:06:32,740 --> 00:06:34,610 I did the first time she tried it. 118 00:06:34,611 --> 00:06:36,047 Her dad went mental. 119 00:06:36,570 --> 00:06:38,398 So what about the second or the third time? 120 00:06:38,615 --> 00:06:40,182 Her dad kept her on a tight leash. 121 00:06:40,574 --> 00:06:42,836 Look, if I thought for one second 122 00:06:42,837 --> 00:06:45,100 Jodie was in trouble, I'd have called her dad. 123 00:06:49,060 --> 00:06:52,673 I've been driving Jodie over a year now. Sparky kid. 124 00:06:52,890 --> 00:06:55,066 Where exactly did you drop Jodie? 125 00:06:55,850 --> 00:06:58,156 Outside Food City on Poland Street. 126 00:06:58,505 --> 00:07:00,114 Her music teacher lives above it. 127 00:07:00,115 --> 00:07:01,682 And you watched her go in? 128 00:07:02,117 --> 00:07:03,204 Always do. 129 00:07:03,205 --> 00:07:04,771 The school recommends us to parents. 130 00:07:04,772 --> 00:07:07,600 - It's part of the deal. - And what route did you take? 131 00:07:07,601 --> 00:07:09,776 Shaftesbury Avenue, Wardour Street, 132 00:07:09,777 --> 00:07:12,083 er, Broadwick Street, then onto Poland Street. 133 00:07:13,868 --> 00:07:15,564 - Lads. All right. - How you doing? 134 00:07:15,565 --> 00:07:17,610 Just a quick question. How long you been working here? 135 00:07:17,611 --> 00:07:18,916 Best part of a week. 136 00:07:19,700 --> 00:07:21,832 And this diversion's been in place the whole time? 137 00:07:22,050 --> 00:07:23,051 Yeah. 138 00:07:23,617 --> 00:07:24,792 Am I missing something? 139 00:07:26,358 --> 00:07:28,577 Right, our cabbie reckons he drove down Broadwick Street 140 00:07:28,578 --> 00:07:30,144 and turned right onto Poland Street. 141 00:07:31,973 --> 00:07:33,496 Maybe his cab's got wings. 142 00:07:34,192 --> 00:07:35,455 Okay, okay. 143 00:07:36,151 --> 00:07:37,934 Maybe I took Noel Street 144 00:07:37,935 --> 00:07:40,241 and turned left into Poland Street. 145 00:07:40,242 --> 00:07:41,635 No, that's one-way. 146 00:07:42,810 --> 00:07:44,550 Then it must have been D'Arblay Street. 147 00:07:44,551 --> 00:07:45,986 I don't know, Ronnie, I thought these cabbies 148 00:07:45,987 --> 00:07:47,596 were meant to have a memory for routes. 149 00:07:47,597 --> 00:07:49,642 You know what, Dom, I sympathize with you, 150 00:07:49,643 --> 00:07:51,121 I really do. 151 00:07:51,122 --> 00:07:53,168 And I'll tell you for why. Because when I was married 152 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,039 to the first Mrs. Brooks and I came home late, 153 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,999 she would want to know every single detail. 154 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,914 And I used to struggle, because, I've gotta be honest, 155 00:08:00,915 --> 00:08:02,698 half the time I couldn't remember-- 156 00:08:02,699 --> 00:08:04,004 What's it matter what road 157 00:08:04,005 --> 00:08:06,007 - I took? - Hey, hey. It matters. 158 00:08:06,703 --> 00:08:08,704 Because we reckon you took Jodie 159 00:08:08,705 --> 00:08:09,924 for a little detour. 160 00:08:10,620 --> 00:08:12,665 I dunno, maybe school uniforms float your boat. 161 00:08:12,666 --> 00:08:15,145 You're sick. I've got four girls of my own. 162 00:08:15,146 --> 00:08:16,669 So now you think you're a man of honor 163 00:08:16,670 --> 00:08:18,671 because you won't touch your own kids, but as long 164 00:08:18,672 --> 00:08:20,150 as they're not related, then they're fair game. 165 00:08:20,151 --> 00:08:21,674 This is crazy. I didn't do that. 166 00:08:21,675 --> 00:08:22,936 Now listen to me, you've lied once-- 167 00:08:22,937 --> 00:08:23,981 Dom! 168 00:08:25,896 --> 00:08:28,856 - Would you like a cup of tea? - Yes. 169 00:08:29,683 --> 00:08:30,727 Yeah, me and all. 170 00:08:31,989 --> 00:08:32,903 What about you, Matt? Fancy a cup of tea? 171 00:08:33,208 --> 00:08:34,731 Why don't you get us a cup of tea? 172 00:08:43,044 --> 00:08:45,829 For the tape, DS Devlin is leaving the room. 173 00:08:50,181 --> 00:08:51,574 Well. 174 00:08:52,140 --> 00:08:53,228 You know what, Dom? 175 00:08:54,055 --> 00:08:55,578 I think you're telling the truth. 176 00:08:58,189 --> 00:09:00,148 But I also think you're leaving something out. 177 00:09:00,583 --> 00:09:02,977 Some little detail you're not telling us you know. 178 00:09:03,891 --> 00:09:06,849 A bit like when I used to tell my wife I was working late 179 00:09:06,850 --> 00:09:09,766 and forgot to mention I'd spent four hours in the Red Lion. 180 00:09:13,030 --> 00:09:14,249 What's the little detail? 181 00:09:19,950 --> 00:09:21,735 Traffic was hell. 182 00:09:22,649 --> 00:09:25,216 Jodie said she could walk it faster. 183 00:09:27,871 --> 00:09:28,872 I... 184 00:09:31,092 --> 00:09:32,659 dropped her off on Wardour Street. 185 00:09:33,616 --> 00:09:34,661 Corner of Broadwick. 186 00:09:37,272 --> 00:09:38,968 Promised her dad I would never leave 187 00:09:38,969 --> 00:09:40,710 till she was inside. 188 00:09:47,674 --> 00:09:49,327 They ran his name through the system. 189 00:09:49,632 --> 00:09:50,938 Not even a parking fine. 190 00:09:51,634 --> 00:09:53,722 Right. Do you want us to let him go, then, Guv? 191 00:09:53,723 --> 00:09:54,941 Don't you dare. 192 00:09:54,942 --> 00:09:56,812 He's told one lie, maybe there'll be more. 193 00:09:56,813 --> 00:09:59,772 For a start we've been watching the wrong CCTV footage. 194 00:09:59,773 --> 00:10:01,818 Now he's changed his mind about his route... 195 00:10:02,732 --> 00:10:04,604 different cameras might come up trumps. 196 00:10:05,866 --> 00:10:07,868 Out she gets. Ronnie? 197 00:10:08,303 --> 00:10:09,696 - Got him. - Nice one. 198 00:10:25,799 --> 00:10:28,018 A second after Jodie turns into Broadwick Street. 199 00:10:28,410 --> 00:10:30,978 - Can you rewind that bit? - For you, anything. 200 00:10:34,895 --> 00:10:37,985 So just after Jodie turns into Broadwick Street... 201 00:10:38,986 --> 00:10:40,334 one of the residents of the flats 202 00:10:40,335 --> 00:10:42,945 remembers seeing a white van 203 00:10:42,946 --> 00:10:44,165 hanging around the skip. 204 00:10:45,601 --> 00:10:46,950 Do you know how many white vans there are in London? 205 00:10:50,084 --> 00:10:51,955 But not all of them have got racks on the side. 206 00:10:52,303 --> 00:10:53,435 It's a glazier's van. 207 00:10:54,131 --> 00:10:55,958 And Jodie was found with glass splinters 208 00:10:55,959 --> 00:10:56,917 in her hands. 209 00:10:58,266 --> 00:10:59,136 Which could've come from the back of that van. 210 00:11:06,143 --> 00:11:07,753 They're all side shots. 211 00:11:07,754 --> 00:11:10,147 Driver's in profile for maybe one frame. 212 00:11:10,452 --> 00:11:13,063 - IC one. IC two maybe. - What about the van? 213 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:14,847 Congestion Zone cameras 214 00:11:14,848 --> 00:11:16,239 must've got the registration number. 215 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,241 Oh yeah, they got a beauty of the mud obscuring it. 216 00:11:18,242 --> 00:11:19,460 What about the lettering on the side, 217 00:11:19,461 --> 00:11:20,548 behind the rack? 218 00:11:20,549 --> 00:11:22,115 Well, I mean, the logo's all faded 219 00:11:22,116 --> 00:11:23,812 and the angle the sunlight's hitting the glass 220 00:11:23,813 --> 00:11:25,074 means you can't make out a thing. 221 00:11:25,075 --> 00:11:27,077 So basically we're back to square one, Guv. 222 00:11:27,295 --> 00:11:29,340 Is that a window? It's not standard. 223 00:11:30,385 --> 00:11:31,865 Can't be many that shape around. 224 00:11:37,174 --> 00:11:39,045 That... is a modern take 225 00:11:39,046 --> 00:11:41,090 on the 19th century arch window, apparently. 226 00:11:41,091 --> 00:11:42,875 Well, that's very good, but does he have any idea 227 00:11:42,876 --> 00:11:44,051 what sort of building it comes from? 228 00:11:44,312 --> 00:11:45,966 Well, I reckon we've been there a few times. 229 00:11:46,793 --> 00:11:47,836 Nope you've lost me. 230 00:11:47,837 --> 00:11:49,446 That is a window from the south block 231 00:11:49,447 --> 00:11:50,448 of the Old Bailey. 232 00:12:01,329 --> 00:12:03,983 That's right. We did the Old Bailey job last week. 233 00:12:03,984 --> 00:12:06,334 - Wasn't easy matching it up. - Is this one of yours? 234 00:12:08,815 --> 00:12:09,903 What's this all about? 235 00:12:10,468 --> 00:12:12,819 We asked first, Mr Andreou. 236 00:12:13,123 --> 00:12:15,081 Yeah, it looks like one of my vans. 237 00:12:15,082 --> 00:12:16,473 What was it? Hit and run? 238 00:12:16,474 --> 00:12:18,389 We think the driver may have witnessed a crime. 239 00:12:20,304 --> 00:12:22,001 Well, look, I've got over 30 fitters. 240 00:12:22,002 --> 00:12:23,524 I'd need to check the files. 241 00:12:23,525 --> 00:12:25,222 Leave me a number and I'll get back to you. 242 00:12:26,963 --> 00:12:28,182 Have you been sober long? 243 00:12:29,923 --> 00:12:30,837 Pardon? 244 00:12:32,273 --> 00:12:33,927 "To thine own self be true" That's what mine says. 245 00:12:35,232 --> 00:12:36,233 How long? 246 00:12:38,105 --> 00:12:39,889 Three hundred and ninety-two days. 247 00:12:41,891 --> 00:12:42,762 That's good. 248 00:12:46,113 --> 00:12:48,289 We need this information now, Mr Andreou. 249 00:12:56,384 --> 00:12:58,515 You know the Grovewood Rehab Clinic, do ya? 250 00:12:58,516 --> 00:13:00,780 Well, I read the brochure in between pints. 251 00:13:01,824 --> 00:13:02,869 Yeah, Christos. 252 00:13:04,174 --> 00:13:05,915 Who fitted the window on the Old Bailey job? 253 00:13:06,916 --> 00:13:07,830 Cheers. 254 00:13:09,005 --> 00:13:10,179 Nick Carlton. 255 00:13:10,180 --> 00:13:11,486 Lives in Kennington. He's out on a job. 256 00:13:14,097 --> 00:13:15,359 Don't tell my boss, right? 257 00:13:16,143 --> 00:13:17,144 I was moonlighting. 258 00:13:18,014 --> 00:13:19,580 You got the address? 259 00:13:19,581 --> 00:13:21,974 Must have chucked it out. The job wasn't worth my while. 260 00:13:21,975 --> 00:13:23,366 What about a client's name? 261 00:13:23,367 --> 00:13:25,020 I ain't got a memory for names me. 262 00:13:25,021 --> 00:13:27,458 That's a shame What did you do after that? 263 00:13:28,285 --> 00:13:30,156 Er, big job. Belgravia. 264 00:13:30,157 --> 00:13:32,332 Traffic was mental by the time I got there it was after six. 265 00:13:32,333 --> 00:13:34,465 So I packed it in, headed for the Westminster Bridge. 266 00:13:35,379 --> 00:13:36,597 What-- to Kennington? 267 00:13:36,598 --> 00:13:38,120 Surely Vauxhall Bridge would be quicker? 268 00:13:38,121 --> 00:13:39,993 My mum lives in Deptford. Went round for dinner. 269 00:13:40,384 --> 00:13:41,821 Who else was there? 270 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:43,561 Just Mum. 271 00:13:45,433 --> 00:13:47,957 And what time did the party finish at your mum's? 272 00:13:48,566 --> 00:13:50,917 I dunno. I watched the footie and left. 273 00:13:52,179 --> 00:13:53,528 And your mum will vouch that you were there? 274 00:13:53,876 --> 00:13:55,529 She don't need to. Speed cameras will do that. 275 00:13:55,530 --> 00:13:56,574 I got done on the way there. 276 00:13:58,054 --> 00:13:59,055 Eighty quid and three points. I was only going forty. 277 00:14:01,362 --> 00:14:03,624 No, Nick Carlton is habitual. 278 00:14:03,625 --> 00:14:04,930 He started off with a tour 279 00:14:04,931 --> 00:14:06,584 of Young Offenders Institutions at 15, 280 00:14:06,933 --> 00:14:08,281 he graduated with the big boys. 281 00:14:08,282 --> 00:14:10,283 You name a nick that he hasn't been in. 282 00:14:10,284 --> 00:14:11,981 - What did he do? - What didn't he do? 283 00:14:12,460 --> 00:14:14,592 Burglary, GBH, hit and run, 284 00:14:14,984 --> 00:14:16,638 one rape charge that never made it to court, 285 00:14:16,943 --> 00:14:19,119 one that got him eight years, he served four. 286 00:14:19,336 --> 00:14:21,120 The youngest victim was 20. 287 00:14:21,121 --> 00:14:23,426 Killing little girls though, that's-- that's a big leap. 288 00:14:23,427 --> 00:14:25,559 He has been out six years, and nothing. 289 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,169 Well, maybe prison did him some good. 290 00:14:27,170 --> 00:14:28,606 Or taught him how not to get caught. 291 00:14:28,955 --> 00:14:30,477 Did you confirm that speed camera? 292 00:14:30,478 --> 00:14:31,566 Going 40 in a 30. 293 00:14:32,915 --> 00:14:33,654 Doesn't mean he didn't have a dead girl 294 00:14:33,655 --> 00:14:34,916 in the back of his van. 295 00:14:34,917 --> 00:14:35,656 And he goes straight on to his mum's house 296 00:14:35,657 --> 00:14:37,180 for a plate of spag bol? 297 00:14:37,441 --> 00:14:39,355 - Man's got to eat. - He's got history, 298 00:14:39,356 --> 00:14:41,053 and he was at the scene of the kidnapping. 299 00:14:41,054 --> 00:14:43,404 - I want you to search his van. - Yeah. 300 00:14:46,233 --> 00:14:48,452 We went through the van with a fine-tooth comb. 301 00:14:49,062 --> 00:14:51,325 And I checked the material under the microscope. 302 00:14:51,586 --> 00:14:55,111 - No fibers, no hair. - What? Nothing? 303 00:14:56,243 --> 00:14:57,940 Apart from bad taste in music. 304 00:14:59,550 --> 00:15:00,768 Well, go through it again. 305 00:15:00,769 --> 00:15:02,379 Look, if it was there, I'd have found it. 306 00:15:02,597 --> 00:15:04,076 Actually, that makes sense, 307 00:15:04,077 --> 00:15:05,077 Matt, because... 308 00:15:05,078 --> 00:15:06,687 - Thanks. - Yeah. 309 00:15:06,688 --> 00:15:08,297 Nick Carlton has been there and back and brought the T-Shirt 310 00:15:08,298 --> 00:15:09,690 with the old hit and run caper, wouldn't he? 311 00:15:09,691 --> 00:15:11,257 So the first thing he's gonna do 312 00:15:11,258 --> 00:15:12,694 is book his vehicle in for a valet. 313 00:15:12,999 --> 00:15:14,652 But Jodie had glass in her hands. 314 00:15:14,957 --> 00:15:16,088 There must have been blood there. 315 00:15:16,089 --> 00:15:18,177 They were just abrasions on her hands 316 00:15:18,178 --> 00:15:19,483 with glass splinters embedded. 317 00:15:20,136 --> 00:15:21,485 No actual blood, I'm afraid. 318 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:24,096 Look, we've sent the glass off for analysis. 319 00:15:24,097 --> 00:15:25,446 I've said it's a priority. 320 00:15:26,273 --> 00:15:27,274 Oh, great. 321 00:15:29,537 --> 00:15:30,712 - Cheers, Teddy. - Thanks. 322 00:15:30,973 --> 00:15:31,669 So, what now? 323 00:15:33,106 --> 00:15:34,324 Right. Well, let's check his alibi. Talk to his mum. 324 00:15:36,457 --> 00:15:38,198 I made roast pork. 325 00:15:38,633 --> 00:15:40,026 It's Nicky's favorite. 326 00:15:40,287 --> 00:15:41,635 You know what I love, Mrs. Carlton? 327 00:15:41,636 --> 00:15:43,029 Roast pork sandwiches. 328 00:15:43,638 --> 00:15:45,291 Thick white bread, butter, you know, 329 00:15:45,292 --> 00:15:47,294 bit of apple sauce, pepper. Beautiful. 330 00:15:48,382 --> 00:15:49,687 What about your Nicky, did he make himself 331 00:15:49,992 --> 00:15:51,340 a sandwich before he went on the road? 332 00:15:51,341 --> 00:15:53,126 I don't know. I went to bed. 333 00:15:54,127 --> 00:15:56,433 - At what time? - After the news. 334 00:15:57,565 --> 00:16:00,220 Which do you prefer, BBC London, or London Tonight? 335 00:16:00,611 --> 00:16:02,657 They've all got the same bad news. 336 00:16:04,137 --> 00:16:05,702 I bet the Hammers look good on that, don't they? 337 00:16:05,703 --> 00:16:07,488 Nicky gave it me for Christmas. 338 00:16:08,663 --> 00:16:10,056 To watch Chelsea. 339 00:16:10,665 --> 00:16:13,146 Oh, Ronnie? 340 00:16:15,452 --> 00:16:16,366 Well, well. 341 00:16:18,586 --> 00:16:20,239 We was only talking about them the other day. 342 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,632 Mattie was asking me who uses mothballs nowadays. 343 00:16:22,633 --> 00:16:24,331 You get infestations. 344 00:16:24,722 --> 00:16:27,595 Kept finding the little blighters all over. 345 00:16:28,161 --> 00:16:30,250 Coming in through my airing cupboard. 346 00:16:31,164 --> 00:16:32,513 Mind if we have a look? 347 00:16:33,209 --> 00:16:34,428 You already have. 348 00:16:39,563 --> 00:16:41,174 My old mum had a set of them. 349 00:16:42,218 --> 00:16:44,177 What's that, two pillowcases and a bottom sheet? 350 00:16:46,048 --> 00:16:47,397 Top sheet would make the set. 351 00:16:57,364 --> 00:16:58,538 Not gonna be a silly boy 352 00:16:58,539 --> 00:17:00,149 and try and do a runner, are you? 353 00:17:00,584 --> 00:17:02,369 No, you're an old hand at this. 354 00:17:02,543 --> 00:17:03,587 Nicholas Carlton... 355 00:17:04,545 --> 00:17:05,762 I'm arresting you on suspicion 356 00:17:05,763 --> 00:17:08,288 of the kidnap and murder of Jodie Gaines. 357 00:17:08,549 --> 00:17:10,550 Maybe you'd seen little Jodie before 358 00:17:10,551 --> 00:17:13,032 - and picked her out especially. - No comment. 359 00:17:13,380 --> 00:17:14,554 Look, Nick, the only thing 360 00:17:14,555 --> 00:17:15,730 that's gonna help you now... 361 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,601 is if you tell us exactly what happened. 362 00:17:18,602 --> 00:17:19,560 Just... 363 00:17:20,778 --> 00:17:22,518 say how sorry you are for killing Jodie. 364 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:24,346 - No comment. - It's your best chance 365 00:17:24,347 --> 00:17:26,045 of avoiding life without parole. 366 00:17:26,349 --> 00:17:27,350 He's right. 367 00:17:28,090 --> 00:17:29,831 If you didn't mean to kill her... 368 00:17:30,397 --> 00:17:32,051 and it was, say, an accident... 369 00:17:32,747 --> 00:17:34,443 it's a whole other prison sentence 370 00:17:34,444 --> 00:17:36,098 between manslaughter and murder. 371 00:17:36,751 --> 00:17:38,709 So, was it an accident? 372 00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:42,061 No comment. 373 00:17:43,149 --> 00:17:44,627 Judge gives him life without parole, 374 00:17:44,628 --> 00:17:45,673 I wanna be there. 375 00:17:46,108 --> 00:17:47,501 I wanna see the whites of his eyes. 376 00:17:48,197 --> 00:17:50,198 The glass splinters found in Jodie's hands 377 00:17:50,199 --> 00:17:51,634 are an exact match 378 00:17:51,635 --> 00:17:53,768 with the glass found in the back of Carlton's van. 379 00:17:56,423 --> 00:17:57,424 Let's charge him. 380 00:18:04,692 --> 00:18:06,258 The defendant has a catalog 381 00:18:06,259 --> 00:18:08,435 of previous convictions. Many of them violent. 382 00:18:08,609 --> 00:18:11,263 The Crown believes he poses a risk to children. 383 00:18:11,264 --> 00:18:13,309 There is no suggestion that Mr Carlton 384 00:18:13,657 --> 00:18:16,356 has ever committed any offences against children. 385 00:18:16,791 --> 00:18:19,663 His last conviction is ten years old. 386 00:18:20,621 --> 00:18:22,188 And, my Lord... 387 00:18:22,666 --> 00:18:25,843 he is the sole carer for his elderly mother. 388 00:18:34,635 --> 00:18:36,898 I am reluctantly granting bail 389 00:18:37,333 --> 00:18:39,422 on the following strict conditions. 390 00:18:39,901 --> 00:18:43,122 Residence at his mother's address in Deptford. 391 00:18:43,861 --> 00:18:47,648 An electronic tag and curfew between 6 p.m. and 6 a.m. 392 00:18:47,865 --> 00:18:50,651 And twice daily reporting to Deptford Police Station. 393 00:19:09,409 --> 00:19:10,887 They bailed the bastard. 394 00:19:10,888 --> 00:19:13,281 Lennie, I am so sorry. We will get him at the trial. 395 00:19:13,282 --> 00:19:15,328 Will you? You said he wouldn't get bail. 396 00:19:21,508 --> 00:19:23,162 - Kayleigh. - No, you stay here. 397 00:19:23,597 --> 00:19:25,512 - Kayleigh. - Kayleigh. 398 00:19:36,523 --> 00:19:37,698 You get back... 399 00:19:50,624 --> 00:19:54,671 - Get an ambulance, somebody. - CID, excuse me. 400 00:19:55,672 --> 00:19:57,717 What's going on? Wait, you're bleeding. 401 00:19:57,718 --> 00:19:59,372 No, I'm okay. I'm okay. 402 00:20:02,723 --> 00:20:04,420 - Matt. - Kayleigh. 403 00:20:32,274 --> 00:20:34,537 - He killed Jodie. - Shut up, Kayleigh. 404 00:20:37,801 --> 00:20:39,585 Just wait for your brief to get here yeah. 405 00:20:39,586 --> 00:20:40,890 I'm so sorry. 406 00:20:40,891 --> 00:20:43,024 Mrs. Gaines, please just listen to him, okay? 407 00:20:54,949 --> 00:20:55,950 He's dead. 408 00:20:57,473 --> 00:20:58,561 Nick Carlton's dead. 409 00:21:11,487 --> 00:21:12,488 Mrs. Gaines... 410 00:21:14,577 --> 00:21:17,363 I am arresting you on the murder of Nicholas Carlton. 411 00:21:17,580 --> 00:21:18,842 You do not have to say anything... 412 00:21:20,496 --> 00:21:21,931 - Are you serious? - ...but it may harm 413 00:21:21,932 --> 00:21:23,629 your defense if you do not mention when questioned 414 00:21:23,630 --> 00:21:25,501 something that you later rely on in court. 415 00:21:26,372 --> 00:21:27,460 Anything you do say... 416 00:21:28,374 --> 00:21:29,549 may be given in evidence. 417 00:21:34,467 --> 00:21:35,816 He killed my little girl. 418 00:21:52,833 --> 00:21:54,313 How the hell did this happen? 419 00:21:54,835 --> 00:21:56,315 It was over in a flash. 420 00:21:56,706 --> 00:21:58,317 Where were the Family Liaison Officers? 421 00:21:59,056 --> 00:22:01,102 No-one knew that she'd react like that. 422 00:22:01,494 --> 00:22:03,495 We can't have every victim of crime 423 00:22:03,496 --> 00:22:04,974 taking the law into their own hands. 424 00:22:04,975 --> 00:22:07,847 With every van banger in the country cheering them on. 425 00:22:07,848 --> 00:22:09,849 They're saying that she deserves an OBE. 426 00:22:09,850 --> 00:22:11,068 Well, it doesn't take much effort 427 00:22:11,373 --> 00:22:12,548 to put yourself in her shoes. 428 00:22:12,679 --> 00:22:15,812 Yeah, maybe not, but it can't justify murder. 429 00:22:17,771 --> 00:22:19,338 You wanna try her for murder? 430 00:22:20,687 --> 00:22:21,688 Of course. 431 00:22:23,124 --> 00:22:25,517 What if the next grieving mum gets herself a gun? 432 00:22:25,518 --> 00:22:26,692 But any jury will see 433 00:22:26,693 --> 00:22:27,997 that she's out of her mind with grief. 434 00:22:27,998 --> 00:22:30,913 No, no, no, she took a knife to the Old Bailey. 435 00:22:30,914 --> 00:22:32,045 The whole thing was caught on camera. 436 00:22:32,046 --> 00:22:33,089 Even so-- 437 00:22:33,090 --> 00:22:34,526 Look, we're backed into a corner. 438 00:22:34,527 --> 00:22:37,050 I know it's tough, but we have to prosecute. 439 00:22:37,051 --> 00:22:38,704 Except your jury will be wishing 440 00:22:38,705 --> 00:22:40,359 that they'd stabbed him themselves. 441 00:22:43,884 --> 00:22:45,929 I don't want a big messy trial. 442 00:22:47,801 --> 00:22:48,889 Talk to the barrister. 443 00:22:49,629 --> 00:22:50,543 Make a deal. 444 00:22:51,848 --> 00:22:52,936 My client won't serve a day for this. 445 00:22:53,546 --> 00:22:55,374 Murder has a minimum tariff, Bea. 446 00:22:55,765 --> 00:22:57,592 Even you can't magic that away. 447 00:22:57,593 --> 00:22:58,941 Yeah, well, as soon as the jury 448 00:22:58,942 --> 00:23:00,552 get a look at Nick Carlton's record 449 00:23:00,553 --> 00:23:02,685 they'll be lining up to shake Kayleigh's hand. 450 00:23:03,556 --> 00:23:05,905 If they ignore the fact that she stuck a knife in his chest. 451 00:23:05,906 --> 00:23:09,561 The only fact that matters is that Jodie Gaines is dead 452 00:23:09,562 --> 00:23:11,171 because the criminal justice system failed 453 00:23:11,172 --> 00:23:12,999 to put scum like Nick Carlton behind bars. 454 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,480 Now thanks to Kayleigh Gaines, 455 00:23:14,741 --> 00:23:16,830 Mr Carlton's crime spree is over. 456 00:23:17,439 --> 00:23:19,746 - For good. - It wasn't up to her to end it. 457 00:23:31,671 --> 00:23:33,149 I'm so sorry. 458 00:23:33,150 --> 00:23:34,629 Please, would you leave the talking to me Mrs. Gaines? 459 00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:36,719 All I could see in my head was Jodie, 460 00:23:37,154 --> 00:23:39,766 - dumped in that skip. - Please, Mrs. Gaines. 461 00:23:40,723 --> 00:23:43,204 I kept thinking about her last minutes alive. 462 00:23:44,510 --> 00:23:45,989 - Where he kept her. - Please. 463 00:23:46,512 --> 00:23:47,948 What he done to her. 464 00:23:51,125 --> 00:23:52,866 How scared she must have been. 465 00:23:55,782 --> 00:23:58,045 I understand why you did it. 466 00:23:59,133 --> 00:24:00,612 - But you killed a man. - Yeah he was-- 467 00:24:00,613 --> 00:24:01,962 - We can't just-- - he was a monster. 468 00:24:04,704 --> 00:24:06,183 If he killed your little girl... 469 00:24:08,621 --> 00:24:10,144 tell me you wouldn't feel the same. 470 00:24:17,543 --> 00:24:18,544 I'm sorry. 471 00:24:19,501 --> 00:24:20,807 We're charging murder. 472 00:24:25,899 --> 00:24:27,160 You know, I've always found 473 00:24:27,161 --> 00:24:29,990 your inflexibility truly irritating, James. 474 00:24:30,251 --> 00:24:31,731 Then please don't let me keep you. 475 00:24:31,905 --> 00:24:34,560 Manslaughter provocation, have we got ourselves a deal? 476 00:24:34,908 --> 00:24:36,910 This was a straight up revenge killing, Bea. 477 00:24:37,171 --> 00:24:39,652 - You know it. - You think she wasn't provoked? 478 00:24:40,217 --> 00:24:42,610 He kidnapped and murdered her only child. 479 00:24:42,611 --> 00:24:44,003 No, that hadn't been proved. 480 00:24:44,004 --> 00:24:45,744 Nick Carlton died an innocent man. 481 00:24:45,745 --> 00:24:47,659 Well, why don't you tell that to the jury? 482 00:24:47,660 --> 00:24:50,184 We are on the side of the angels, James. 483 00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:52,707 You force murder trial and you're the one 484 00:24:52,708 --> 00:24:54,275 who's gonna end up with egg on his face. 485 00:25:01,935 --> 00:25:03,239 You shouldn't let her get to you. 486 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,851 - I don't. - Really? 487 00:25:05,025 --> 00:25:08,071 - George said to make a deal. - Kayleigh Gaines should do time. 488 00:25:08,594 --> 00:25:10,595 Manslaughter provocation carries a custodial. 489 00:25:10,596 --> 00:25:11,987 She could get 12 years. 490 00:25:11,988 --> 00:25:13,772 - Or as little as 12 months. - Isn't that enough? 491 00:25:13,773 --> 00:25:15,338 She lost a child, James. 492 00:25:15,339 --> 00:25:16,949 It doesn't change the fact that she killed Nick Carlton. 493 00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:19,081 - What if he was innocent? - She believed he was guilty. 494 00:25:19,082 --> 00:25:20,648 Totally irrelevant. Kayleigh Gaines 495 00:25:20,649 --> 00:25:22,737 will get a fair trial, the chance of rehabilitation. 496 00:25:22,738 --> 00:25:24,174 Nick Carlton deserved the same. 497 00:25:24,871 --> 00:25:27,526 All I'm asking is that we show a little mercy. 498 00:25:30,833 --> 00:25:32,879 It isn't up to us to show mercy, Alesha. 499 00:25:34,054 --> 00:25:35,098 So, what do we do? 500 00:25:36,578 --> 00:25:39,146 We do what she should have done. We let a jury decide. 501 00:25:41,931 --> 00:25:44,064 Did you see the tabloids this morning? 502 00:25:45,108 --> 00:25:46,631 They're giving out pull out posters 503 00:25:46,632 --> 00:25:47,981 to put in your window. 504 00:25:49,199 --> 00:25:50,244 "Kayleigh's our hero." 505 00:25:51,506 --> 00:25:52,899 Yeah, I can undress myself. Thank you, Bea. 506 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:55,684 You'll never win. 507 00:25:56,250 --> 00:25:57,904 The whole nation's on her side. 508 00:25:58,818 --> 00:26:00,035 I'll take my chances. 509 00:26:00,036 --> 00:26:02,081 It's not too late, you know. 510 00:26:02,082 --> 00:26:04,083 You just say those two little words 511 00:26:04,084 --> 00:26:06,695 and the trial just disappears just like that. 512 00:26:08,305 --> 00:26:10,307 Manslaughter provocation. 513 00:26:12,788 --> 00:26:14,921 The charge is murder. 514 00:26:15,617 --> 00:26:16,575 Oh, come on. 515 00:26:17,837 --> 00:26:19,665 What's a little provocation between friends? 516 00:26:22,972 --> 00:26:24,060 Gloves off, then. 517 00:26:27,107 --> 00:26:28,761 Nick was my only child. 518 00:26:29,936 --> 00:26:33,330 After my husband passed away, Nick looked after me. 519 00:26:34,114 --> 00:26:36,943 Your son had convictions for violence, didn't he? 520 00:26:37,334 --> 00:26:39,685 I never said he was a saint. 521 00:26:40,294 --> 00:26:42,904 If he had anything to do with that little girl's death, 522 00:26:42,905 --> 00:26:45,255 then he should've gone to prison, no question. 523 00:26:46,822 --> 00:26:48,215 I could've lived with that. 524 00:26:50,304 --> 00:26:51,305 But this... 525 00:26:54,656 --> 00:26:57,049 who gave you the right to play God? 526 00:26:57,050 --> 00:27:00,096 Mrs. Carlton, just answer Counsel's questions, please. 527 00:27:03,709 --> 00:27:05,928 Her little girl's dead, and I'm sorry. 528 00:27:09,149 --> 00:27:11,717 But who was she to kill my son? 529 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,333 He was my baby. 530 00:27:23,380 --> 00:27:24,729 After your divorce, 531 00:27:24,730 --> 00:27:27,733 the family court gave you custody of Jodie. 532 00:27:28,690 --> 00:27:30,126 They said Kayleigh was unfit. 533 00:27:31,171 --> 00:27:32,128 Why was that? 534 00:27:32,738 --> 00:27:34,087 When she had Jodie... 535 00:27:34,391 --> 00:27:36,350 the anesthetist botched the epidural. 536 00:27:38,352 --> 00:27:40,093 Messed up a nerve in her back. 537 00:27:41,747 --> 00:27:43,052 GP gave her painkillers. 538 00:27:44,750 --> 00:27:46,795 But Kayleigh had a problem getting off them. 539 00:27:47,230 --> 00:27:50,146 Is it right Kayleigh was born addicted to crack cocaine? 540 00:27:52,105 --> 00:27:53,019 Yeah. 541 00:27:54,498 --> 00:27:55,977 And we heard from our expert witness earlier 542 00:27:55,978 --> 00:27:58,763 that crack babies have a predisposition to addictions. 543 00:27:58,764 --> 00:28:00,199 So it must have been no surprise 544 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,377 when Kayleigh became addicted to the painkillers. 545 00:28:04,030 --> 00:28:05,466 She was addicted within weeks. 546 00:28:08,208 --> 00:28:09,470 But she got off 'em. 547 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,908 After her recovery, what sort of mother was she? 548 00:28:15,302 --> 00:28:16,216 Good one. 549 00:28:19,959 --> 00:28:20,873 Loving one. 550 00:28:23,049 --> 00:28:24,267 No further questions. 551 00:28:29,272 --> 00:28:32,841 Having gained custody of Jodie seven years ago... 552 00:28:33,886 --> 00:28:36,236 you've been her sole carer, haven't you? 553 00:28:36,802 --> 00:28:38,151 - That's right. - So surely... 554 00:28:39,761 --> 00:28:42,851 you're the one who must feel the loss of Jodie most acutely. 555 00:28:43,417 --> 00:28:45,245 You're the one who must feel most... 556 00:28:46,986 --> 00:28:47,900 provoked. 557 00:28:49,815 --> 00:28:51,904 - Yeah, I suppose so. - And yet... 558 00:28:52,774 --> 00:28:54,907 you didn't feel like killing Mr Carlton. 559 00:28:57,300 --> 00:28:58,737 I'm not a violent man. 560 00:28:59,868 --> 00:29:01,260 I couldn't do something like that. 561 00:29:01,261 --> 00:29:02,305 No, you couldn't. 562 00:29:03,916 --> 00:29:06,395 Provoked or not, no normal, decent person could, could they? 563 00:29:06,396 --> 00:29:09,443 Is my learned friend making a speech already, M'Lord? 564 00:29:09,791 --> 00:29:13,186 Mr Steel, plenty of time for speeches later. 565 00:29:23,805 --> 00:29:27,460 On count one, the murder of Nicholas Carlton, 566 00:29:27,461 --> 00:29:30,507 do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty? 567 00:29:31,813 --> 00:29:32,771 Not guilty. 568 00:29:34,033 --> 00:29:35,034 On count two... 569 00:29:36,209 --> 00:29:38,298 the manslaughter of Nicholas Carlton, 570 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:41,344 do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty? 571 00:29:44,260 --> 00:29:45,174 Guilty. 572 00:29:57,143 --> 00:29:59,145 A man lost his life. 573 00:30:00,494 --> 00:30:02,496 He may indeed have been responsible 574 00:30:02,844 --> 00:30:04,498 for the death of Mrs. Gaines' daughter. 575 00:30:05,891 --> 00:30:07,587 But it is not one person's right 576 00:30:07,588 --> 00:30:09,416 to end the life of another. 577 00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:14,595 This offence is clearly so serious... 578 00:30:15,335 --> 00:30:16,945 only custody is appropriate. 579 00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:21,515 The sentence I pass is one of 12 months in prison. 580 00:30:27,260 --> 00:30:28,261 Mrs. Gaines. 581 00:30:30,263 --> 00:30:32,264 No doubt the real punishment for you 582 00:30:32,265 --> 00:30:34,267 is to bear the loss of your daughter. 583 00:30:37,183 --> 00:30:38,575 You have my deepest sympathy. 584 00:30:41,578 --> 00:30:44,146 The sentence is wholly suspended for two years. 585 00:31:02,077 --> 00:31:03,599 He might as well have congratulated her 586 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,037 on hitting a major artery. 587 00:31:06,690 --> 00:31:08,039 Does that judge have any idea what he did in there? 588 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,432 We go through all this, and for what? 589 00:31:09,955 --> 00:31:11,607 To hand a get-out-of-jail-free card 590 00:31:11,608 --> 00:31:14,220 to every knife-wielding maniac who cries provocation? 591 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:15,961 Maybe not. 592 00:31:19,051 --> 00:31:19,965 Alesha. 593 00:31:21,096 --> 00:31:22,749 Just to let you know. We found out, 594 00:31:22,750 --> 00:31:25,579 uh, Kayleigh Gaines was treated for heroin addiction last year. 595 00:31:26,232 --> 00:31:27,580 Well, maybe she went one step further 596 00:31:27,581 --> 00:31:29,364 when the GP called time on her pain killers. 597 00:31:29,365 --> 00:31:30,931 Maybe, but it's not the what, 598 00:31:30,932 --> 00:31:33,368 it's the where. And it was at the Grovewood rehab Clinic. 599 00:31:33,369 --> 00:31:34,588 So she went to Grovewood. 600 00:31:35,458 --> 00:31:37,069 The trial's over. What does it matter? 601 00:31:37,591 --> 00:31:39,070 Well, she had company. 602 00:31:39,071 --> 00:31:40,637 Nick Carlton's boss, Farris Andreou, 603 00:31:40,942 --> 00:31:42,465 also dried out at the Grovewood. 604 00:31:46,426 --> 00:31:48,645 Kayleigh Gaines and Farris Andreou 605 00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:50,996 both went through rehab last year. 606 00:31:51,997 --> 00:31:53,389 Kayleigh was NHS funded. 607 00:31:54,129 --> 00:31:55,434 So Farris Andreou knew 608 00:31:55,435 --> 00:31:56,915 that Kayleigh Gaines had a daughter. 609 00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:59,307 Whatever he knew about her personal life 610 00:31:59,308 --> 00:32:01,136 didn't need to come from the sessions. 611 00:32:01,615 --> 00:32:02,616 They had an affair. 612 00:32:03,443 --> 00:32:05,097 They broke a cardinal rule. 613 00:32:06,011 --> 00:32:07,229 We asked them to leave. 614 00:32:09,405 --> 00:32:11,930 She had to know Andreou was Nick Carlton's boss. 615 00:32:13,409 --> 00:32:15,063 Do you think all three of them were involved? 616 00:32:16,151 --> 00:32:17,674 Be a hell of a coincidence if they weren't. 617 00:32:18,458 --> 00:32:19,546 Why else hide it? 618 00:32:23,071 --> 00:32:25,116 The Italian doctor had the hots for me. 619 00:32:25,117 --> 00:32:26,639 I knocked her back. She got it in her head 620 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:27,684 I was getting it on with Kayleigh. 621 00:32:29,077 --> 00:32:30,122 Who you forgot to mention that you knew. 622 00:32:31,166 --> 00:32:32,211 We know you've been inside. 623 00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:36,040 Yeah, for tax evasion, like white collar stuff. 624 00:32:36,041 --> 00:32:37,171 And is that where you met 625 00:32:37,172 --> 00:32:38,781 Nick Carlton? When you was in prison? 626 00:32:38,782 --> 00:32:40,522 We were pad mates, till he pissed the screws off 627 00:32:40,523 --> 00:32:41,742 and got ghosted out to Ashbridge. 628 00:32:42,003 --> 00:32:43,177 And after that, what? 629 00:32:43,178 --> 00:32:44,787 You became pen pals then, did you? 630 00:32:44,788 --> 00:32:46,093 He came knocking on my door looking for a job, 631 00:32:46,094 --> 00:32:47,790 I felt sorry for him. 632 00:32:47,791 --> 00:32:50,490 And you often employ convicted rapists, do you? 633 00:32:52,013 --> 00:32:52,971 What are you talking about? 634 00:32:54,233 --> 00:32:55,190 The young woman Nick Carlton raped. 635 00:32:56,757 --> 00:32:58,150 She woke up and found him sitting on the end of her bed. 636 00:32:58,367 --> 00:32:59,281 No. 637 00:33:00,587 --> 00:33:02,154 - He wouldn't. - He did. 638 00:33:03,024 --> 00:33:04,156 He tied her up. 639 00:33:04,417 --> 00:33:05,678 He gagged her, would you believe, 640 00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:07,158 just to stop her screaming 641 00:33:07,159 --> 00:33:08,769 so her flat mates wouldn't hear and then he raped her. 642 00:33:12,642 --> 00:33:14,295 Carlton was in for fraud. 643 00:33:14,296 --> 00:33:16,123 He swindled some insurance company. 644 00:33:16,124 --> 00:33:17,385 Well, if you bought that story, 645 00:33:17,386 --> 00:33:19,431 the only bum being swindled, Farris, was you. 646 00:33:19,432 --> 00:33:21,389 He'd've been on the rule, wouldn't he, the nonces wing? 647 00:33:21,390 --> 00:33:23,001 Well, maybe he had friends. 648 00:33:23,610 --> 00:33:25,611 Friends like you, just turn a blind eye. 649 00:33:25,612 --> 00:33:28,483 No, you have to believe me. I-- if I'd known he raped anyone, 650 00:33:28,484 --> 00:33:30,529 I wouldn't have given him the time of day let alone a job. 651 00:33:30,530 --> 00:33:32,183 You're facing quite a few charges here, Farris. 652 00:33:32,184 --> 00:33:33,575 Look, I didn't know he was a nonce, 653 00:33:33,576 --> 00:33:35,055 - you've gotta believe me. - There's kidnap, 654 00:33:35,056 --> 00:33:37,493 conspiracy to murder, perverting the course of justice. 655 00:33:40,540 --> 00:33:42,584 "To thine own self be true, 656 00:33:42,585 --> 00:33:45,632 and it must follow, as the night, the day... 657 00:33:47,329 --> 00:33:50,332 thou canst not then be false to any man." 658 00:33:52,073 --> 00:33:53,291 I mean that quote from Hamlet 659 00:33:53,292 --> 00:33:54,380 gets us through another day, doesn't it? 660 00:33:55,816 --> 00:33:58,036 We be honest with ourselves, and we can stay sober. 661 00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:02,170 Gotta be honest with others too. Haven't you, Farris? 662 00:34:04,085 --> 00:34:05,565 Only then are we truly healed. 663 00:34:08,220 --> 00:34:10,569 So... what have you and Kayleigh Gaines 664 00:34:10,570 --> 00:34:11,832 been hiding from us? 665 00:34:17,707 --> 00:34:18,708 I owed her. 666 00:34:21,537 --> 00:34:23,235 They kicked her out of rehab because of me. 667 00:34:26,281 --> 00:34:28,718 But I only gave her Nick Carlton's phone number. 668 00:34:29,415 --> 00:34:31,852 I swear to God, that is all I did. 669 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:34,245 Okay, for the tape, 670 00:34:34,246 --> 00:34:36,812 Farris Andreou, who did you give 671 00:34:36,813 --> 00:34:38,424 Nick Carlton's telephone number to? 672 00:34:42,732 --> 00:34:43,646 Kayleigh. 673 00:34:45,561 --> 00:34:46,562 It was all Kayleigh. 674 00:34:48,260 --> 00:34:49,782 She said she wanted Nick Carlton 675 00:34:49,783 --> 00:34:51,393 to do something for her. 676 00:34:53,134 --> 00:34:56,094 Could she have hired Carlton to snatch Jodie? 677 00:34:57,138 --> 00:34:58,096 Why would she? 678 00:34:59,445 --> 00:35:00,794 Kayleigh... be straight with us. 679 00:35:01,664 --> 00:35:02,622 Me and Farris? 680 00:35:05,625 --> 00:35:07,366 It was just a fling. 681 00:35:08,367 --> 00:35:11,631 He reckons you and Nick Carlton were in it together. 682 00:35:12,632 --> 00:35:13,676 What? 683 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,636 Why-- why would he say that? 684 00:35:19,334 --> 00:35:20,292 He's lying. 685 00:35:24,687 --> 00:35:26,515 Why is he doing this to me? 686 00:35:26,776 --> 00:35:28,299 Farris reckons that you were trying 687 00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:29,475 to get back at Lennie... 688 00:35:30,476 --> 00:35:32,304 'cause he wouldn't let you see Jodie. 689 00:35:32,565 --> 00:35:33,566 We get on. 690 00:35:34,349 --> 00:35:36,482 - Me and Lennie-- - Kayleigh. 691 00:35:39,224 --> 00:35:40,573 How can you even think... 692 00:35:45,665 --> 00:35:46,840 What mum... 693 00:35:47,710 --> 00:35:50,191 could do that to her own kid? 694 00:35:51,714 --> 00:35:53,325 Do you think she's telling the truth? 695 00:35:55,501 --> 00:35:57,894 What do you think? Could it be an act? 696 00:36:00,245 --> 00:36:01,681 Honestly, I don't know. 697 00:36:03,248 --> 00:36:04,379 So, what now? 698 00:36:05,685 --> 00:36:06,946 You wanna know if someone's telling the truth, 699 00:36:06,947 --> 00:36:09,167 you talk to the person who knows them best. 700 00:36:11,952 --> 00:36:14,607 Do you... really think... 701 00:36:15,608 --> 00:36:16,870 Kayleigh did this? 702 00:36:21,353 --> 00:36:22,354 I'm sorry. 703 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,270 I can't take this in. 704 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,186 At the trial... 705 00:36:29,578 --> 00:36:31,537 you swore she was a good mother. 706 00:36:35,541 --> 00:36:36,846 She was hurting enough. 707 00:36:39,371 --> 00:36:41,590 Just said what her barrister told me to say. 708 00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:46,856 What didn't you say, Lennie? 709 00:36:49,337 --> 00:36:50,382 There was this time... 710 00:36:51,774 --> 00:36:54,212 she was late bringing Jodie back. 12 hours late. 711 00:36:54,734 --> 00:36:56,910 Kayleigh had taken her down to Hastings. 712 00:36:57,302 --> 00:37:00,566 Locked her up in some hole of a B&B and gone off to... 713 00:37:03,482 --> 00:37:04,396 to score. 714 00:37:06,354 --> 00:37:09,270 - She was using again. - Jodie was terrified. 715 00:37:09,923 --> 00:37:12,621 She said it was like Mummy was asleep with her eyes open. 716 00:37:13,535 --> 00:37:14,797 So I stopped the visits. 717 00:37:17,757 --> 00:37:19,367 You should have told the police. 718 00:37:20,499 --> 00:37:21,413 I know. 719 00:37:26,026 --> 00:37:29,247 Please, God, tell me she's not involved. 720 00:37:29,595 --> 00:37:31,379 Now I saw these interviews. 721 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,339 The appeal. She was shaking with grief. 722 00:37:34,991 --> 00:37:36,645 It wasn't grief. 723 00:37:37,516 --> 00:37:38,517 It was withdrawal. 724 00:37:40,127 --> 00:37:41,910 But why would she stop using just when she needed it most? 725 00:37:41,911 --> 00:37:43,477 The stress must have been enormous. 726 00:37:43,478 --> 00:37:44,697 She wouldn't have any choice. 727 00:37:45,306 --> 00:37:47,047 The minute Jodie was reported missing, 728 00:37:47,308 --> 00:37:50,050 she had Family Liaison Officers with her day and night. 729 00:37:50,355 --> 00:37:51,833 Oh, why didn't we see it? 730 00:37:51,834 --> 00:37:54,619 The thing about addicts is they make very good liars. 731 00:37:54,620 --> 00:37:56,447 So the police knew it was someone close. 732 00:37:56,448 --> 00:37:58,928 - They just got the wrong parent. - The question is, why? 733 00:38:00,060 --> 00:38:01,974 What could possibly drive her 734 00:38:01,975 --> 00:38:03,803 to have her own daughter kidnapped? 735 00:38:04,020 --> 00:38:04,934 Kayleigh. 736 00:38:08,634 --> 00:38:11,027 That mobile phone was found in your flat. 737 00:38:11,376 --> 00:38:13,987 Hidden inside a resealed milk carton. 738 00:38:14,335 --> 00:38:16,815 The phone is registered to a Mrs. Gemma Miller. 739 00:38:16,816 --> 00:38:18,730 Now we've been in touch with Mrs. Miller 740 00:38:18,731 --> 00:38:20,775 and she confirms that she sold the phone 741 00:38:20,776 --> 00:38:23,562 via an online auction site to a Kayleigh Gaines. 742 00:38:24,998 --> 00:38:25,999 This... 743 00:38:28,088 --> 00:38:31,830 is a record of the call traffic between that mobile phone 744 00:38:31,831 --> 00:38:32,832 and Nick Carlton's. 745 00:38:34,050 --> 00:38:35,921 We also know you were texting each other 746 00:38:35,922 --> 00:38:39,360 like a couple of teenagers the week Jodie went missing. 747 00:38:40,013 --> 00:38:41,797 Well, I did buy that phone, yeah, 748 00:38:42,058 --> 00:38:44,496 but it was nicked the day I got it. 749 00:38:44,931 --> 00:38:47,063 Maybe Farris took it. I was thinking-- 750 00:38:47,499 --> 00:38:49,064 Farris and Nick Carlton, 751 00:38:49,065 --> 00:38:50,588 maybe they was in on it together. 752 00:38:50,589 --> 00:38:51,851 The problem here, Kayleigh... 753 00:38:52,808 --> 00:38:55,506 is that we can tell the location of the calls 754 00:38:55,507 --> 00:38:57,421 as well as the phone they came from. 755 00:38:57,422 --> 00:38:59,902 The calls from your phone came... 756 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:02,514 from your flat. 757 00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:10,957 So, you see, Kayleigh, we know you're involved. 758 00:39:17,442 --> 00:39:19,139 - Kayleigh? - All right. 759 00:39:36,548 --> 00:39:38,114 He was only supposed to hide her. 760 00:40:02,791 --> 00:40:04,618 Kayleigh hired a sex offender 761 00:40:04,619 --> 00:40:05,837 to snatch Jodie off the street 762 00:40:05,838 --> 00:40:07,448 and keep her hidden for six days. 763 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,754 That's kidnap, false imprisonment, 764 00:40:09,755 --> 00:40:11,104 and the child cruelty involved 765 00:40:11,452 --> 00:40:13,061 makes it unlawful act manslaughter. 766 00:40:13,062 --> 00:40:14,150 Well, hang on though. 767 00:40:14,455 --> 00:40:16,152 Jodie died as a result of being gagged. 768 00:40:16,457 --> 00:40:18,893 Are we saying that Kayleigh knew Carlton would gag Jodie? 769 00:40:18,894 --> 00:40:20,939 You can add perverting the course of justice 770 00:40:20,940 --> 00:40:23,029 to that list 'cause the woman is a born liar. 771 00:40:23,595 --> 00:40:25,161 So we charge her with all four offences. 772 00:40:25,466 --> 00:40:27,729 Yes, but if you do... we do it right. 773 00:40:28,513 --> 00:40:30,078 She will change her story ten times 774 00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:31,689 before she gets into that witness box, 775 00:40:31,690 --> 00:40:33,735 so you need to corroborate these witnesses. 776 00:40:36,608 --> 00:40:38,957 Mrs. Carlton, the police are going to charge you 777 00:40:38,958 --> 00:40:41,003 - with assisting an offender. - Oh... 778 00:40:42,048 --> 00:40:42,962 that's rich. 779 00:40:44,877 --> 00:40:46,966 Lock me up, a pensioner. 780 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,144 While that murdering bitch walks around free as you like. 781 00:40:52,101 --> 00:40:53,146 Did your son-- 782 00:40:53,625 --> 00:40:55,713 did he tell you why Kayleigh Gaines 783 00:40:55,714 --> 00:40:56,845 wanted Jodie kidnapped? 784 00:41:05,637 --> 00:41:07,726 The more you can tell us about her involvement... 785 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,120 the greater chance we have of putting her behind bars. 786 00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:15,647 If Nick... said anything. 787 00:41:19,215 --> 00:41:20,913 After the girl got sick... 788 00:41:22,001 --> 00:41:24,133 Nick said he called Mrs. Gaines. 789 00:41:25,134 --> 00:41:27,006 Told her that they needed a doctor. 790 00:41:29,095 --> 00:41:32,228 He wanted to take her himself, but she, Mrs. Gaines, 791 00:41:32,533 --> 00:41:33,621 she said no. 792 00:41:35,536 --> 00:41:39,192 Said they'd both get sent down, if anyone found out. 793 00:41:40,106 --> 00:41:42,107 Nick told Mrs. Gaines that the girl 794 00:41:42,108 --> 00:41:44,763 was crying and making a lot of noise. 795 00:41:47,809 --> 00:41:48,810 She said... 796 00:41:50,725 --> 00:41:52,031 "Tape her mouth up. 797 00:41:53,249 --> 00:41:54,512 Stop her whining." 798 00:41:59,691 --> 00:42:01,170 It was only meant to be a week. 799 00:42:02,694 --> 00:42:03,869 Fortnight, tops. 800 00:42:04,913 --> 00:42:06,567 You were prepared... 801 00:42:06,785 --> 00:42:09,701 to let a total stranger look after Jodie for two weeks? 802 00:42:10,615 --> 00:42:11,790 It was a nice flat. 803 00:42:13,269 --> 00:42:15,924 She had everything she needed. Telly, Xbox, the lot. 804 00:42:17,796 --> 00:42:19,057 Nick Carlton 805 00:42:19,058 --> 00:42:21,234 was a convicted rapist, wasn't he? 806 00:42:21,713 --> 00:42:23,192 Yeah, but he never touched her, did he? 807 00:42:23,802 --> 00:42:26,674 The police said she weren't abused. 808 00:42:27,632 --> 00:42:31,070 You stabbed Nick Carlton to cover up your involvement, 809 00:42:31,287 --> 00:42:32,245 didn't you? 810 00:42:33,507 --> 00:42:35,074 Stabbed him 'cause he killed my little girl. 811 00:42:36,249 --> 00:42:37,859 Papers called me a hero. 812 00:42:41,646 --> 00:42:42,951 I'm still the same person. 813 00:42:44,257 --> 00:42:47,303 Yes. Yes, you are. 814 00:42:52,657 --> 00:42:55,660 Why did you get Nick Carlton to kidnap Jodie? 815 00:42:58,750 --> 00:42:59,751 It was Farris. 816 00:43:01,056 --> 00:43:02,014 It was his idea. 817 00:43:04,799 --> 00:43:06,105 When a kid goes missing, 818 00:43:06,758 --> 00:43:08,586 the papers wanna talk to the mum, don't they? 819 00:43:10,196 --> 00:43:11,197 Farris said, 820 00:43:12,807 --> 00:43:15,288 "If there was a happy ending, papers would pay a fortune." 821 00:43:17,638 --> 00:43:19,117 You put Jodie's life at risk, 822 00:43:19,118 --> 00:43:20,380 just so you could sell your story? 823 00:43:22,164 --> 00:43:23,644 I didn't know he'd kill her, did I? 824 00:43:23,949 --> 00:43:27,125 Kayleigh, make me understand why you would risk her life. 825 00:43:27,126 --> 00:43:29,041 What did you need the money for? 826 00:43:41,967 --> 00:43:43,838 I wanted to be a proper mum. 827 00:43:49,104 --> 00:43:50,802 The kind I never had. 828 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,856 She grew inside me, all safe. 829 00:44:02,944 --> 00:44:03,945 And then... 830 00:44:05,164 --> 00:44:07,122 the minute she was born, it all went wrong. 831 00:44:12,388 --> 00:44:14,913 Lennie just took her away from me. 832 00:44:16,088 --> 00:44:18,264 He just... took over. 833 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,403 I kept trying to find my way back, but I couldn't. 834 00:44:36,064 --> 00:44:37,413 I needed the money... 835 00:44:38,850 --> 00:44:40,068 to pay for rehab. 836 00:44:42,070 --> 00:44:43,681 I was all booked in. I... 837 00:44:44,812 --> 00:44:46,031 I was gonna get clean... 838 00:44:46,901 --> 00:44:48,686 so I could be with Jodie again. 839 00:44:49,382 --> 00:44:52,384 Then why didn't you do it the right way, the normal way? 840 00:44:52,385 --> 00:44:54,168 Get clean, and then prove yourself 841 00:44:54,169 --> 00:44:56,128 - to the courts? - Well, how? 842 00:44:57,303 --> 00:44:59,392 The NHS wouldn't fund me twice. 843 00:45:00,436 --> 00:45:01,699 I begged for help. 844 00:45:02,047 --> 00:45:04,222 I screamed and shouted for it. 845 00:45:04,223 --> 00:45:05,703 But nobody listened. 846 00:45:06,181 --> 00:45:08,314 Because people like you, 847 00:45:09,141 --> 00:45:10,142 like her... 848 00:45:12,971 --> 00:45:15,060 all of you, you don't see me. 849 00:45:21,196 --> 00:45:24,416 I'm that bit of shit on the pavement you step around, 850 00:45:24,417 --> 00:45:26,201 so you don't mess up your shoes. 851 00:45:29,204 --> 00:45:32,033 I was gonna get clean and take her away 852 00:45:32,773 --> 00:45:35,341 We were going to Ibiza. Me and Jodie. 853 00:45:35,950 --> 00:45:39,084 Far away from London and Lennie. And the drugs. 854 00:45:40,302 --> 00:45:43,741 So we could be together. So I could be her mum again. 855 00:45:44,045 --> 00:45:46,264 You were going to take that little girl away 856 00:45:46,265 --> 00:45:48,267 from the only loving parent she knew? 857 00:45:48,484 --> 00:45:49,920 I loved her more than he did. 858 00:45:49,921 --> 00:45:51,835 You didn't think twice about the trauma 859 00:45:51,836 --> 00:45:53,227 of being snatched off the street 860 00:45:53,228 --> 00:45:55,273 - by a total stranger. - No, it wasn't like that. 861 00:45:55,274 --> 00:45:57,449 You didn't lose a wink of sleep at the thought of Jodie, 862 00:45:57,450 --> 00:45:58,929 shoved in the back of a van, 863 00:45:58,930 --> 00:46:00,452 tied up, her mouth taped shut, did you? 864 00:46:00,453 --> 00:46:02,149 - No, you're wrong! - And all because you wanted 865 00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:03,935 to be a proper mum again. 866 00:46:09,462 --> 00:46:11,769 You don't deserve to be a mum. 867 00:47:00,295 --> 00:47:02,167 Shame on you! 64515

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