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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,180 --> 00:00:07,580 In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate 2 00:00:07,580 --> 00:00:08,700 equally important groups. 3 00:00:08,900 --> 00:00:12,940 The police who investigate crime and the district attorneys who prosecute the 4 00:00:12,940 --> 00:00:14,880 offenders. These are their stories. 5 00:00:16,780 --> 00:00:20,960 People accuse you of being ruthless in your investment philosophy, especially 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,340 considering... I'm the only one keeping these companies honest. 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,520 There's rampant mismanagement and waste in corporate America. 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,540 Unearned bonuses, excessive salaries. 9 00:00:32,570 --> 00:00:37,790 When I buy a stake in a company, I become a watchdog. 10 00:00:38,090 --> 00:00:39,630 Some would say a rabid watchdog. 11 00:00:41,190 --> 00:00:42,210 Even better. 12 00:00:43,310 --> 00:00:46,050 But I'm doing it for the little guy. 13 00:00:46,930 --> 00:00:53,310 The cops, the teachers, the nurses, they own publicly traded stocks in their 14 00:00:53,310 --> 00:00:55,570 401ks, in their IRAs. 15 00:00:56,930 --> 00:01:01,790 I keep the fat cats honest, make them justify decisions. 16 00:01:02,410 --> 00:01:05,910 Their compensation. So you consider yourself a public servant? 17 00:01:06,210 --> 00:01:07,210 No, no, no. 18 00:01:08,610 --> 00:01:09,690 I'm a capitalist. 19 00:01:10,090 --> 00:01:15,510 My goal is to make money for me and for all the other shareholders who put their 20 00:01:15,510 --> 00:01:19,350 faith in the hands of executives running publicly traded companies. 21 00:01:20,470 --> 00:01:22,090 Museum of Natural History. 22 00:01:22,970 --> 00:01:28,270 Prosperity. Pushing for change in the name of the greater good. 23 00:01:30,630 --> 00:01:31,630 Big party. 24 00:01:43,310 --> 00:01:44,650 Oh, no, no. Oh, my God. 25 00:01:45,130 --> 00:01:46,130 Oh, my God. 26 00:01:46,950 --> 00:01:47,950 No. 27 00:01:52,770 --> 00:01:54,330 Vic Thomas Hardiman, 53. 28 00:01:54,690 --> 00:01:55,589 What happened? 29 00:01:55,590 --> 00:01:57,970 He was hit by a taxi, 20 -03 hours. 30 00:01:58,210 --> 00:01:58,869 Hit and run? 31 00:01:58,870 --> 00:01:59,870 More like hit and cry. 32 00:02:00,310 --> 00:02:01,310 Driver's a blubbery mess. 33 00:02:01,690 --> 00:02:04,250 Said there was an altercation. Vic was shoved in front of the cab. 34 00:02:04,470 --> 00:02:06,010 Did you see who did the shoving? Nope. 35 00:02:06,370 --> 00:02:08,630 Was there a passenger in the taxi? A woman. 36 00:02:09,070 --> 00:02:10,590 She was on a phone. Didn't see anything. 37 00:02:11,740 --> 00:02:13,180 Could the driver give a description? 38 00:02:13,780 --> 00:02:14,759 It was dark. 39 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,580 Couldn't even say if it was a man or a woman. All he said was meet and build, 40 00:02:17,700 --> 00:02:19,860 wearing some kind of brown hat, had her knees on foot. 41 00:02:20,620 --> 00:02:24,880 Okay. Pull all the Argus footage from the area, and since there was a 42 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,980 have the MLI check for third -party DNA on the Vic. Mm -hmm. 43 00:02:28,860 --> 00:02:30,060 Vic's got his phone here. 44 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,280 And this is a very fancy wallet, so I don't think we're looking at a robbery. 45 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,740 He lives at 115 -757th Street. It's near Billionaire's Row. 46 00:02:40,810 --> 00:02:41,810 Got a wedding ring. 47 00:02:42,550 --> 00:02:43,770 Go deliver the news. 48 00:02:44,630 --> 00:02:45,930 Till death do us part. 49 00:03:36,780 --> 00:03:41,680 It would be helpful to know where your husband was this evening, who he was 50 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,620 seeing? Uh, I wish I could help. 51 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,920 Tom and I have been separated about three months now. 52 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,580 Do you know what he was doing in the neighborhood where he was killed west of 53 00:03:53,580 --> 00:03:54,539 43rd Street? 54 00:03:54,540 --> 00:03:56,260 Oh, that's by the Harvard Club. 55 00:03:56,980 --> 00:04:00,440 Tom went there most nights around 8 or so. 56 00:04:01,660 --> 00:04:05,880 And did your husband have any enemies, anyone who might have threatened him? 57 00:04:06,860 --> 00:04:08,120 Do you know who Tom was? 58 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:09,360 What he did? 59 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,000 Well, his business card just said that he ran Broadchurch Investment Fund. 60 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:17,620 Tom wasn't just any investor. 61 00:04:18,140 --> 00:04:20,120 He was an activist investor. 62 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:21,600 What does that mean? 63 00:04:21,779 --> 00:04:26,340 He buys a big stake, tells them not so nicely what they're doing wrong, how to 64 00:04:26,340 --> 00:04:27,340 run their company. 65 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,180 Used to call those guys corporate raiders. 66 00:04:29,580 --> 00:04:31,600 So, made money, not friends. 67 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:32,880 Exactly. 68 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,320 How about recently? Did he get into it with anyone in particular? 69 00:04:36,780 --> 00:04:38,600 I have not kept up on his date today. 70 00:04:39,260 --> 00:04:40,600 His girlfriend might know. 71 00:04:41,060 --> 00:04:42,060 His girlfriend? 72 00:04:42,220 --> 00:04:43,740 Some professor up at Hudson. 73 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:45,320 I don't have a name. 74 00:04:46,060 --> 00:04:47,400 Sometimes it's better not to know. 75 00:04:47,780 --> 00:04:48,920 And what about you? 76 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,960 What were you doing tonight around 8 p .m.? I was at my book club. 77 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,440 Ten women married to fund managers. We all have a lot of downtime. 78 00:05:00,420 --> 00:05:01,420 Okay, well, we're... 79 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,120 We're going to ask you to send us some names. 80 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:04,440 Court. 81 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:06,920 I can't believe he's really gone. 82 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:10,420 If you think of anything else. 83 00:05:16,020 --> 00:05:20,840 We looked at the university social media. Tom Hardiman was a guest lecturer 84 00:05:20,840 --> 00:05:24,360 your class a few months ago, and I guess you two hit it off. 85 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,280 I never meant to fall in love. 86 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,220 There's no one like Tom. 87 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,360 fearless thinker in an age of cowardly groupthink. 88 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,020 What's a billionaire investor doing giving a lecture at a college? No 89 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:41,160 I teach information asymmetry, how knowledge translates into economic 90 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:43,620 So how were things between you two? 91 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,240 We made each other very happy. 92 00:05:47,020 --> 00:05:48,920 Did you see Hardiman last night? 93 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,980 No. I was stuck on campus meeting with students who can talk to security. 94 00:05:54,500 --> 00:05:55,960 Was he receiving any threats? 95 00:05:56,280 --> 00:05:57,940 Some people hated him. 96 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:02,960 or hated the way that he challenged them, challenged their rigid, old 97 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,900 ways. He liked to say he could fill a country with his enemies. 98 00:06:06,700 --> 00:06:07,700 Got any names? 99 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,200 No, he never took them seriously. 100 00:06:10,020 --> 00:06:11,020 We have to get moving. 101 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:17,580 Okay, well, if you think of anything, any chance your husband found out about 102 00:06:17,580 --> 00:06:18,479 the relationship? 103 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:19,099 Of course. 104 00:06:19,100 --> 00:06:21,680 I told Mark it's why I filed for divorce. 105 00:06:24,060 --> 00:06:25,060 Nice. 106 00:06:25,460 --> 00:06:27,100 All right, that text I got? 107 00:06:27,710 --> 00:06:31,230 They found third -party DNA under Hardeman's nails and on his jacket. 108 00:06:31,470 --> 00:06:33,290 Any hits in CODIS? Nope, but it's male. 109 00:06:33,590 --> 00:06:35,050 I said we talked to the jilted husband. 110 00:06:37,190 --> 00:06:38,750 Ariana told me she was in love. 111 00:06:39,750 --> 00:06:45,330 Hell, I was glad she told me. Truth is freeing. And if Ariana wants out, that's 112 00:06:45,330 --> 00:06:46,330 her right. 113 00:06:47,390 --> 00:06:51,030 Pretty zen for the guy who called Tom Hardeman over a dozen times in the past 114 00:06:51,030 --> 00:06:53,830 week. Look, I want her to sit down with the man, faith to faith. 115 00:06:54,300 --> 00:06:58,500 That jackass was paying for her divorce lawyer, bankrolling her custody site. If 116 00:06:58,500 --> 00:07:02,300 I'm being ferociously honest, that sounds like motive. 117 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:04,060 I got nothing to hide. 118 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,740 We met for lunch, and I told Hardiman exactly what I thought of him. Oh, 119 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,200 How'd that go? Things get ugly? They turn physical at all? 120 00:07:12,460 --> 00:07:15,900 They probably would have, but some nut job beat me to it. 121 00:07:16,380 --> 00:07:17,380 What does that mean? 122 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,820 As Hardiman was heading for the exit, some guy comes up, starts grabbing at 123 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:23,700 taking swings, so... 124 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,380 I just watched and enjoyed the show. 125 00:07:26,780 --> 00:07:28,880 Okay, you got an alibi for 8 p .m. last night? 126 00:07:29,100 --> 00:07:33,540 Yeah, I was leading a seminar on the Lower East Side, finding your truth. 127 00:07:34,740 --> 00:07:35,740 You should come sometime. 128 00:07:40,620 --> 00:07:46,500 Hey, so our life coach husband was telling the truth. 62 people were 129 00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:50,660 be ferociously honest for 180 bucks a pop while Tom Hardiman was getting 130 00:07:50,660 --> 00:07:51,660 in front of a cab. 131 00:07:51,930 --> 00:07:55,230 I bet ferocious honesty killed more people per year than cigarettes. 132 00:07:55,490 --> 00:07:58,370 Yeah, and when my wife and I got back together, we had one agreement. No 133 00:07:58,370 --> 00:08:00,610 questions, no confessions about our time apart. 134 00:08:00,970 --> 00:08:04,750 What you don't know can't hurt you, and what you don't say can't be used in a 135 00:08:04,750 --> 00:08:05,750 custody battle. 136 00:08:06,030 --> 00:08:10,570 Hey, so I pulled that video you asked for from the restaurant. Take a look. 137 00:08:12,170 --> 00:08:16,750 There's no match in facial rec, but there was a patch on his jacket. 138 00:08:17,410 --> 00:08:18,450 Okay, let's... 139 00:08:18,730 --> 00:08:23,110 Do a little digging and see if anyone was trashing Hardiman at Mercy Hospital. 140 00:08:23,310 --> 00:08:24,310 Yeah. 141 00:08:24,550 --> 00:08:27,370 A couple posts on social media here. 142 00:08:27,590 --> 00:08:32,090 Hashtag Mercy Hospital. Hashtag Tom Hardiman. This one from Carlos Guzman, 143 00:08:32,090 --> 00:08:33,090 seems to be a nurse. 144 00:08:33,909 --> 00:08:36,049 This one's a gem from a couple days ago. 145 00:08:37,610 --> 00:08:41,850 Tom Hardiman has blood on his hands. Time for retribution. 146 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,560 COO said he worked on the fifth floor? 147 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,540 On Mondays, yeah. He's on the sixth floor the other four days. 148 00:08:54,580 --> 00:08:55,780 Is that our guy right there? 149 00:08:57,020 --> 00:08:58,020 Looks like it. 150 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,160 Carlos Guzman, NYPD, we need to talk to you. 151 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:03,720 He's gonna rabbit. 152 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:19,600 All right, don't move. Don't move. 153 00:09:21,340 --> 00:09:22,440 Don't look so surprised. 154 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:24,880 You're coming with us. 155 00:09:27,740 --> 00:09:31,100 I told you I got nothing to do with any murder. Sit down, okay? 156 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,860 Sit. You took swings at Tom Hardiman outside of Midtown Bistro, and two days 157 00:09:35,860 --> 00:09:36,860 later, he's dead. 158 00:09:36,900 --> 00:09:38,380 You understand why we have questions? 159 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:39,780 What's her beef with the guy anyway? 160 00:09:40,540 --> 00:09:42,000 Why this need for retribution? 161 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:46,940 Hardiman's fund, uh... Broadchurch Investments. 162 00:09:47,790 --> 00:09:50,430 They bought a big -ass stake in the hospital chain I work for. 163 00:09:50,890 --> 00:09:55,430 No one told us. It's not like we're reading financial news. But all of a 164 00:09:55,450 --> 00:09:56,530 there's a new head of hospital. 165 00:09:56,850 --> 00:09:58,750 Then half the trauma ward gets fired. 166 00:09:58,970 --> 00:09:59,990 So he downsized. 167 00:10:00,930 --> 00:10:02,150 Must have ticked you off. 168 00:10:02,370 --> 00:10:03,410 What ticked me off? 169 00:10:04,270 --> 00:10:07,090 Empty supply closets. No pain meds for patients. 170 00:10:07,350 --> 00:10:10,630 No ventilators. The nursing staff couldn't even get protective gear. 171 00:10:10,890 --> 00:10:12,230 And so you wanted him dead. 172 00:10:12,650 --> 00:10:14,470 I wanted to expose him. 173 00:10:14,830 --> 00:10:16,650 People need to know the truth. 174 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,540 Well, it's very noble, but we think there's something more personal. 175 00:10:19,780 --> 00:10:23,980 We happen to know that your mother died at Mercy Hospital two months after 176 00:10:23,980 --> 00:10:24,980 Hardeman took over. 177 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:30,280 I mean, that would piss me off if I found out that some suit's budget cuts 178 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,220 to my mom not getting the care that she needed. 179 00:10:33,300 --> 00:10:38,300 Carlos, where were you last night around 8 p .m.? At the bedside of a 28 -year 180 00:10:38,300 --> 00:10:43,860 -old who died because we didn't have a goddamn ventilator. That's his wife, his 181 00:10:43,860 --> 00:10:44,860 parents. 182 00:10:45,390 --> 00:10:46,890 We're two young children. 183 00:10:51,510 --> 00:10:52,810 We will look into that. 184 00:10:54,310 --> 00:10:57,770 Whoever offed Tom Hardiman saved lives. 185 00:10:58,330 --> 00:10:59,410 Did good. 186 00:11:07,470 --> 00:11:08,950 Guzman's alibi checks out. 187 00:11:09,550 --> 00:11:12,630 He's kind of a hero over at Mercy, so I think we ought to cut him loose before 188 00:11:12,630 --> 00:11:15,110 that nursing staff storms his place. Okay, do it. 189 00:11:15,930 --> 00:11:19,150 These hedge funds are pillaging our health care system. 190 00:11:19,490 --> 00:11:22,850 We're also going after newspapers, toy companies, anything. 191 00:11:23,190 --> 00:11:27,070 As long as there's a green rainbow at the end. Maybe we should look into some 192 00:11:27,070 --> 00:11:30,530 Hardeman's other investments, see if there's anyone who feels as passionately 193 00:11:30,530 --> 00:11:34,550 Guzman. Well, according to the Wall Street Journal, Hardeman's latest 194 00:11:34,550 --> 00:11:36,230 was Wellpoint Therapeutics. 195 00:11:37,319 --> 00:11:41,000 There's a ton of articles predicting a brutal showdown between Hardiman and 196 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,000 Wellpoint's CEO. 197 00:11:42,380 --> 00:11:43,800 I'm looking at Hardiman's calendar. 198 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,620 The last meeting he had on the day he was killed was at Wellpoint. 199 00:11:48,660 --> 00:11:49,660 Let's go. 200 00:11:51,780 --> 00:11:55,340 I was shocked to hear about Tom. He's such a young man. 201 00:11:55,680 --> 00:11:57,500 You had a meeting with him on the day he was killed? 202 00:11:57,820 --> 00:11:58,880 Yeah, we met right here. 203 00:11:59,100 --> 00:12:01,300 Anything strange about the meeting? Any arguments? 204 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,680 I'll save you from barking up that tree. 205 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:09,880 Despite the press hoopla about a looming showdown between us, our meeting was 206 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:10,880 cordial. 207 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,600 Don't believe everything you read. So he wasn't trying to pillage your company? 208 00:12:15,140 --> 00:12:16,140 No. 209 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:21,800 He bought a 24 % stake, got himself a seat on the board, had some thoughts he 210 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:26,520 wanted to share, asked me for a one -on -one to present his ideas, and I agreed. 211 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,280 And? And it was a pleasant... 212 00:12:31,460 --> 00:12:32,460 productive conversation. 213 00:12:32,660 --> 00:12:34,800 Mr. Munson, your conference call is about to begin. 214 00:12:35,260 --> 00:12:36,700 Ah, yes. Thank you. 215 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,500 I'm sorry. My assistant will see you. Just one last thing for protocol. Where 216 00:12:42,500 --> 00:12:46,700 were you last night at 8 p .m.? I was at home reading a bedtime story to my 217 00:12:46,700 --> 00:12:47,700 grandkids. 218 00:12:48,260 --> 00:12:49,560 We should all be so blessed. 219 00:12:50,980 --> 00:12:51,980 Okay, thank you. 220 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,440 Munson mentioned that his meeting was a one -on -one. 221 00:12:58,140 --> 00:13:00,780 But in Hardeman's calendar, he mentions that he met with someone else from the 222 00:13:00,780 --> 00:13:02,500 company by the name of Kevin Goodall? 223 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:04,240 Sure. He's our head of research. 224 00:13:04,740 --> 00:13:08,220 Well, Hardeman wanted it to be just the two of them, but I insisted on 225 00:13:08,220 --> 00:13:09,720 attending. And why is that? 226 00:13:09,980 --> 00:13:12,580 Norm founded this company 40 years ago. 227 00:13:13,220 --> 00:13:17,140 He devoted his time and capital into researching cures for rare diseases, 228 00:13:17,300 --> 00:13:22,160 whereas Tom Hardeman, thank you, is a high -end pickpocket in a Brioni suit, 229 00:13:22,340 --> 00:13:23,980 trying to tell Norman Munson. 230 00:13:24,350 --> 00:13:28,990 who started as a doctor and is one of the pioneers of drug research, how to 231 00:13:28,990 --> 00:13:30,410 his pharmaceutical business? 232 00:13:30,970 --> 00:13:32,570 Huh. Be arrogant. 233 00:13:33,470 --> 00:13:36,350 So, yeah, I wanted to be there. 234 00:13:37,390 --> 00:13:39,030 Sounds like maybe things got a little heated. 235 00:13:40,230 --> 00:13:41,230 No. 236 00:13:42,370 --> 00:13:44,710 No, Norm is a class act. 237 00:13:45,030 --> 00:13:46,570 He refused to take the bait. 238 00:13:47,310 --> 00:13:51,330 Eventually, Hardeman backed off, and the whole thing stayed pleasantly 239 00:13:51,330 --> 00:13:52,330 professional. 240 00:13:52,430 --> 00:13:55,570 Did Hardeman seem distracted or stressed? 241 00:13:55,990 --> 00:13:57,250 I don't know the guy's baseline. 242 00:13:58,170 --> 00:14:02,590 But the meeting was shorter than I would have anticipated. 243 00:14:02,970 --> 00:14:04,890 I thought he would have stuck around and pressed his point. 244 00:14:05,370 --> 00:14:10,070 It took about 30 minutes or so. Then he ran out of here like he had a plane to 245 00:14:10,070 --> 00:14:11,130 catch. What time was that? 246 00:14:12,130 --> 00:14:14,290 6 .30. Do you know where he was going? 247 00:14:14,490 --> 00:14:15,730 No, he wasn't the chatty type. 248 00:14:15,990 --> 00:14:20,550 Okay, well, just so we can cross you off the list, where were you last night at 249 00:14:20,550 --> 00:14:21,339 8 p .m.? 250 00:14:21,340 --> 00:14:25,720 I was at home with my wife, telling her what a clown Hardeman is. 251 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:27,920 Was. 252 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:35,300 Just got off the phone with Goodall's wife. She confirms he was home at 8, and 253 00:14:35,300 --> 00:14:37,640 Munson's family corroborates his version of events. 254 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,440 I don't know. Got 3DU of Hardeman leaving well -pointed 6 .30, like 255 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:42,860 said. He's pacing. 256 00:14:43,580 --> 00:14:46,680 Looks like he's yelling at somebody on his phone, and then he heads off down 257 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:47,940 street, and we lose him on the cameras. 258 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,220 And according to his call log, at 6 .38, he called a number registered to 259 00:14:52,220 --> 00:14:53,620 Preston Cain four times. 260 00:14:53,980 --> 00:14:55,080 Who's Preston Cain? 261 00:14:56,700 --> 00:14:58,920 He's the chairman of Wellpoint Therapeutics. 262 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,000 Yeah, I think I had a couple calls, but I didn't pick up. And I was out one time 263 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,000 up here to my doorbell can. 264 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:09,640 Do you know why he came by? 265 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,600 Hardeman had a one -track mind. Every call and meeting was about the same 266 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,440 He wanted to fire Norman Munson. 267 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:16,739 Why that? 268 00:15:16,740 --> 00:15:17,800 To change the company's focus. 269 00:15:18,260 --> 00:15:20,820 Redirect our R &D to big market, high -profit therapy. 270 00:15:21,060 --> 00:15:23,180 Wow, that sounds like Hardiman's M -Home. It is. 271 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,500 Except the WellPoint board loves Norm. 272 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:26,900 Everyone loves Norm. 273 00:15:27,340 --> 00:15:30,260 Despite the company's lackluster financial results the past few years. 274 00:15:30,740 --> 00:15:33,420 So Hardiman wanted him fired, but the board wasn't having it? 275 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,420 A couple board members were on the fence, but you're correct. 276 00:15:36,780 --> 00:15:39,720 Hardiman was never going to get the votes he needed. It was driving him 277 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,560 Why so much love for Norm Munson? 278 00:15:43,140 --> 00:15:47,320 Look, it's not the most popular concept these days, but Munson believes there 279 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,240 are things more important than profit. 280 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,520 He believes in a greater good. 281 00:15:51,900 --> 00:15:55,840 Hardiman called you four times, and one of the calls lasted 17 seconds. Are you 282 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:56,840 sure he didn't reach you? 283 00:15:57,340 --> 00:16:01,680 He left a voicemail. I finally got what I need. Norm Munson is a goner. 284 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:13,880 Ryan Elliott. 285 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,940 I'm Detective Riley. This is Lieutenant Brady, NYPD. 286 00:16:17,700 --> 00:16:20,000 We were told you worked closely with Tom Hardiman. 287 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,960 Yeah, until he fired me yesterday. 288 00:16:26,740 --> 00:16:30,280 Don't worry. I was throwing back Patron shots with a half dozen colleagues when 289 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:31,480 Hardiman hit the pavement. 290 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,600 Sound really broken up about it. What can I say? Guy was a prick. 291 00:16:36,940 --> 00:16:40,500 The thing that really gets to me, though, is I knew it. 292 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,140 but tried to convince myself that he was actually a decent human being. 293 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,440 What do you know about Hardiman's relationship with Norman Munson? He 294 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,840 man. He spent 50 % of his time trying to fire his ass. Already had a successor 295 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:53,840 picked out, too. 296 00:16:54,140 --> 00:16:55,900 Hardiman chose Munson's successor? 297 00:16:56,380 --> 00:16:57,840 On a three -year business plan. 298 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,360 He shared it with the board. Munson knew about this. 299 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:01,680 He sure did. 300 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:03,780 But he didn't care. 301 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,339 Told Hardiman to kiss his ass. 302 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,760 Well, apparently Hardeman left a voicemail with WellPoint's chairman of 303 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,000 board. Preston Kane. 304 00:17:12,300 --> 00:17:16,020 Yeah, something about how he finally had what he needed to get Munson fired, 305 00:17:16,140 --> 00:17:18,119 like he had some smoking gun. 306 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,079 And 30 minutes or so later, he was dead, so we think there's some connection. 307 00:17:22,460 --> 00:17:26,460 Whatever Hardeman discovered might have triggered someone to kill him. I wish I 308 00:17:26,460 --> 00:17:29,820 could help you, but I don't know anything about that. 309 00:17:30,780 --> 00:17:31,780 Sorry. 310 00:17:33,700 --> 00:17:36,280 Okay, well, thank you for your time. 311 00:17:40,490 --> 00:17:44,610 Well, one thing's clear. Munson lied to us when he told us that meeting with 312 00:17:44,610 --> 00:17:47,150 Hardiman ended in some sort of gentleman's agreement. 313 00:17:47,650 --> 00:17:50,870 Sounds like that one -on -one wasn't quite as friendly as you suggested, huh? 314 00:17:50,930 --> 00:17:53,210 Yeah, maybe he's not as warm and cuddly as he looks. 315 00:17:53,810 --> 00:17:57,090 Even a teddy bear's gonna get its back up with some young hotshots trying to 316 00:17:57,090 --> 00:17:58,530 fire him from his own damn company. 317 00:17:59,870 --> 00:18:00,870 Sounds like motive. 318 00:18:02,130 --> 00:18:03,130 Yeah, but I mean, what? 319 00:18:03,650 --> 00:18:04,650 Munson's 70? 320 00:18:05,450 --> 00:18:07,030 He doesn't seem like a killer type to me. 321 00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:10,230 And his family said that he was home at the time of the murder. Maybe they're 322 00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:13,990 covering for him. Just pull more video from the Wellpoint offices in the crime 323 00:18:13,990 --> 00:18:17,770 scene. We just need one shot of Munson, hopefully wearing a brown hat. 324 00:18:18,130 --> 00:18:19,710 And then we can get a warrant for his DNA. 325 00:18:22,490 --> 00:18:23,490 What's going on here? 326 00:18:24,210 --> 00:18:26,970 Sorry, sir, you're going to step aside? This is my company. Step aside. 327 00:18:27,390 --> 00:18:29,370 Kevin Goodall, we need to talk. 328 00:18:29,850 --> 00:18:32,950 We found video of you at the crime scene and your DNA on the victim. 329 00:18:33,150 --> 00:18:34,370 He's under arrest for murder. 330 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,100 The right to remain silent. Kevin, what's going on? Don't talk to anyone, 331 00:18:38,300 --> 00:18:39,800 Say nothing to anyone. 332 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:47,640 Can't wait. 333 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:50,400 Hey, I gotta go. 334 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:52,760 Yep, I feel it. 335 00:18:57,360 --> 00:19:00,740 You have no poker face, Nolan. 336 00:19:01,620 --> 00:19:03,300 It's the mystery woman, isn't it? 337 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,900 You're clearly smitten. No comments. 338 00:19:07,220 --> 00:19:08,360 Just give me something. 339 00:19:09,060 --> 00:19:10,060 How you met? 340 00:19:10,140 --> 00:19:11,140 What she does? 341 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,020 She is a psychiatrist. 342 00:19:15,380 --> 00:19:16,440 Don't say it. 343 00:19:17,140 --> 00:19:18,280 No, I won't. 344 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,340 Because I can think of absolutely no reason for you to be seeing a 345 00:19:22,820 --> 00:19:23,820 How'd the arraignment go? 346 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:25,640 Judge Romano granted bail. 347 00:19:25,980 --> 00:19:27,260 On a murder to charge? 348 00:19:28,020 --> 00:19:29,980 Defense rattled off Goodall's resume. 349 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,200 He's got a... 350 00:19:31,390 --> 00:19:37,870 Awards from the NIH, CDC, MD, PhD in pharmacology, a member of the MAA, an 351 00:19:37,870 --> 00:19:41,010 active community member who's never so much as gotten a speeding ticket. 352 00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:43,310 Not our first golden boy murderer. 353 00:19:43,890 --> 00:19:45,350 Yeah. How's our evidence? 354 00:19:45,930 --> 00:19:50,770 Video showing Goodall leaving Wellpoint at 7 .30 p .m., heading in the direction 355 00:19:50,770 --> 00:19:54,450 of the crime scene, and then one block away putting on a brown hat that matches 356 00:19:54,450 --> 00:19:55,970 the description from the taxi driver. 357 00:19:56,780 --> 00:20:01,300 Plus, his DNA was a full match to the third -party DNA found on the victim. 358 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:02,520 Why'd he do it? 359 00:20:02,580 --> 00:20:06,120 I'm not sure yet. We know Hardiman was gunning to fire Goodall's boss. 360 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,400 So let's find out what would have happened to Goodall if Hardiman had had 361 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:10,399 way. 362 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:11,740 Otherwise, your evidence is solid. 363 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:13,680 I'm not so sure about that. 364 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,080 Defense just filed a motion to suppress the DNA. 365 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,280 It's a Fourth Amendment violation, a total invasion of my client's privacy. 366 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,660 Your Honor, the defendant voluntarily surrendered his DNA and blood to his 367 00:20:29,660 --> 00:20:31,640 employer without signing or demanding. 368 00:20:31,980 --> 00:20:34,400 Any agreement that his employer keep those records confidential. 369 00:20:34,740 --> 00:20:38,820 Is this true? Only because the sample was provided years before standard 370 00:20:38,820 --> 00:20:42,940 forms, before the government was actively assembling DNA databases to 371 00:20:42,940 --> 00:20:47,310 crimes. Please tell me police at least had a subpoena? Yes, they had reason to 372 00:20:47,310 --> 00:20:50,050 believe Goodall was the killer, so we served the company with a grand jury 373 00:20:50,050 --> 00:20:54,650 subpoena to produce Goodall's DNA, which, again, he had voluntarily 374 00:20:54,650 --> 00:20:58,250 the company. This was not some wild database goose chase. 375 00:20:58,490 --> 00:21:02,670 It is an incontrovertible good for medical researchers to provide their 376 00:21:02,670 --> 00:21:07,570 and DNA in labs so that research can proceed accurately and safely without 377 00:21:07,570 --> 00:21:11,750 risk of cross -contamination. But if we violate the privacy of these doctors 378 00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:16,520 because of a technicality... You put future life -saving research at risk 379 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,440 because nobody will sign up to hand over their DNA for science. 380 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:21,360 I agree. 381 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,320 Your Honor, we could have gotten a separate warrant to collect the DNA 382 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,260 arrest. An arrest based on this first invasion of privacy. 383 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:30,560 Fruit of the poisonous tree. 384 00:21:32,340 --> 00:21:33,680 The DNA is out. 385 00:21:34,580 --> 00:21:37,320 And you won't be getting any other warrant to get it either. 386 00:21:45,260 --> 00:21:50,940 And Tom Hardiman was notorious for ousting CEOs and installing new ones? 387 00:21:51,260 --> 00:21:54,240 Correct. Did he articulate this plan to members of the WellPoint board? 388 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,640 Brought it up at every meeting. Even called me a few times. In fact, he had 389 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,720 proposed a specific replacement CEO. 390 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,340 Yes. Called him a brilliant shark. 391 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:08,680 The night Tom Hardiman was killed, he left you an urgent voicemail, correct? 392 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:09,860 he tried to find you at home. 393 00:22:10,060 --> 00:22:11,060 Correct. Do you know why? 394 00:22:11,180 --> 00:22:14,120 His voicemail suggested he'd finally found a way to get rid of Munson. 395 00:22:14,570 --> 00:22:15,870 I finally got what I need. 396 00:22:16,590 --> 00:22:18,130 Munson's a goner, were his words. 397 00:22:18,370 --> 00:22:23,410 And if Munson wasn't gone, what would happen to the defendant, Kevin Goodall? 398 00:22:23,890 --> 00:22:25,190 Objection. Speculative. 399 00:22:25,650 --> 00:22:29,550 Your Honor, the victim shared his own well -pointed three -year business plan 400 00:22:29,550 --> 00:22:30,509 with a witness. 401 00:22:30,510 --> 00:22:32,530 Overruled. Mr. Kane, please answer. 402 00:22:33,170 --> 00:22:35,090 Munson hired Goodall right out of medical school. 403 00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:36,670 Treated him like a son. 404 00:22:37,010 --> 00:22:41,130 Hardeman told us the new CEO would clean house, and that meant firing Goodall. 405 00:22:41,210 --> 00:22:42,250 Thank you. Nothing further. 406 00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:48,640 Is Kevin Goodall a capable head of medical research? 407 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:49,920 He's excellent. 408 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,380 Under his oversight, how many drugs has WellPoint patented and brought to 409 00:22:54,380 --> 00:22:56,360 market? Last ten years, seven. 410 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:01,560 Are you aware he'd received four offers from competing firms in the past year 411 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:02,860 alone for better pay? 412 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,000 I heard about one. The others don't surprise me. 413 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,540 Kevin is a well -respected researcher, and we knew he only stated WellPoint out 414 00:23:10,540 --> 00:23:11,700 of loyalty to Norm's vision. 415 00:23:12,090 --> 00:23:16,070 Do you have any reason to believe that Kevin Goodall had financial problems? 416 00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:17,430 No. 417 00:23:17,710 --> 00:23:21,330 Have you ever been to Kevin Goodall's home? Yes, once, for dinner. 418 00:23:25,850 --> 00:23:28,090 Is this it on Central Park West? 419 00:23:28,410 --> 00:23:29,490 Objection. Relevance. 420 00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:33,810 Prosecution put forth a theory that my client's motive was anxiety about losing 421 00:23:33,810 --> 00:23:35,770 his $600 ,000 a year job. 422 00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:37,690 Mr. Kane can rebut that. 423 00:23:38,110 --> 00:23:39,089 I'll allow. 424 00:23:39,090 --> 00:23:40,090 Mr. Kane? 425 00:23:40,250 --> 00:23:41,550 Yes, this is Kevin's home. 426 00:23:42,060 --> 00:23:45,840 He purchased it for $12 .7 million in 2019. 427 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,820 Not bad for a medical researcher. 428 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:51,660 I believe there's family money there from real estate. 429 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,280 So do you have any reason to believe that Kevin Goodall was desperate to keep 430 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,260 his job at WellPoint so desperate he would kill for it? 431 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:02,560 No. 432 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,360 Not at all. 433 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,120 Defense is right. If Goodall's that wealthy, he didn't even need to work. 434 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:19,000 would he stress about losing his job at Wellpoint? 435 00:24:19,220 --> 00:24:21,360 The motive still doesn't add up yet. 436 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:24,660 What are we missing? 437 00:24:25,420 --> 00:24:26,880 This murder was emotional. 438 00:24:28,700 --> 00:24:31,560 Improvised. Nobody plans to push someone in front of a taxi. 439 00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:33,460 So what set it in motion? 440 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:40,640 Maybe something happened at the Wellpoint meeting between Hardiman, 441 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,340 Goodall? Something that... 442 00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:43,870 Rattled Goodall? 443 00:24:44,610 --> 00:24:46,510 Made him angrier. Worried enough to kill. 444 00:24:49,150 --> 00:24:50,150 I'm saying nothing. 445 00:24:50,810 --> 00:24:54,170 We just want to know about the meeting that day. If anything happened to upset 446 00:24:54,170 --> 00:24:55,170 Kevin Goodall. 447 00:24:57,550 --> 00:25:02,050 Do you know how many hours of rigorous, meticulous laboratory oversight goes 448 00:25:02,050 --> 00:25:05,930 into bringing a life -saving drug to market? 449 00:25:07,790 --> 00:25:11,450 It's not a job. It is a sacred commitment. 450 00:25:12,910 --> 00:25:14,370 It takes constant vigilance. 451 00:25:14,570 --> 00:25:19,270 Goodall is a great researcher and a great man. 452 00:25:20,190 --> 00:25:22,290 Mr. Munson has to prepare for a call. 453 00:25:22,730 --> 00:25:24,190 You got the wrong guy. 454 00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:36,430 Mr. Munson did nothing wrong in that meeting. Please stop agitating him. 455 00:25:37,090 --> 00:25:38,950 How do you know he did nothing wrong? Were you there? 456 00:25:39,340 --> 00:25:42,340 I attend all of Mr. Munson's meetings. I'm with him the entire workday. Okay, 457 00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:45,060 then why don't you just tell us what went down? Did Hardeman threaten Munson? 458 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:46,120 Did he threaten Goodall? 459 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,000 I can't answer any further questions. 460 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,960 Just so you know, the DA can subpoena you to appear in court. 461 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:52,520 I can't speak. 462 00:25:52,820 --> 00:25:54,220 I'm bound by New York state law. 463 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,240 What law? 464 00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,320 HIPAA. 465 00:26:00,980 --> 00:26:02,180 I'm Norman Munson's nurse. 466 00:26:04,940 --> 00:26:06,140 Here we go. 467 00:26:06,810 --> 00:26:12,670 Munson's assistant, before this, he spent five years working at the 468 00:26:12,670 --> 00:26:14,090 Garden facility in Queens. 469 00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:15,790 What is that? 470 00:26:17,550 --> 00:26:18,990 Memory care facility. 471 00:26:22,350 --> 00:26:29,210 According to his financials, Munson made three large payments 472 00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:32,790 this year to a doctor, Naomi Mizkami. 473 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,280 She's a neurologist. 474 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:40,840 That's it. 475 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,300 That's the smoking gun Hardiman was looking for. 476 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,320 Norman Munson had dementia. 477 00:26:52,940 --> 00:26:56,500 Somehow, Hardiman discovered Munson's dementia at that meeting. 478 00:26:56,700 --> 00:26:57,679 Well, he must have. 479 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,620 It was a pretty late meeting. 480 00:27:00,340 --> 00:27:02,160 In my father's last years. 481 00:27:03,420 --> 00:27:08,420 He struggled to stay sharp, but after an hour, especially in the afternoon, his 482 00:27:08,420 --> 00:27:12,020 basic recall always failed. He could tell every detail of what happened in 483 00:27:12,020 --> 00:27:14,160 childhood, but he would forget what he had for breakfast. 484 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,720 I remember the shame on his face when he couldn't find an answer. It was 485 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,100 heartbreaking. 486 00:27:22,220 --> 00:27:24,720 So Munson tripped up and Hardeman saw it. 487 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:26,680 Goodall saw it. 488 00:27:27,420 --> 00:27:28,299 My guess? 489 00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:30,660 That's why Goodall was in the meeting to begin with. 490 00:27:32,010 --> 00:27:35,290 He spent a lot of time with Munson. He had to know about Munson's decline. 491 00:27:35,690 --> 00:27:39,850 He was guarding the secret. Because if the board found out about Munson's 492 00:27:39,850 --> 00:27:41,270 dementia... Forget about votes. 493 00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:43,150 That would force his dismissal. 494 00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:48,790 So, Hardeman was going to expose Munson's condition, have him fired. 495 00:27:49,490 --> 00:27:51,610 That still only gets you halfway to motive. 496 00:27:52,350 --> 00:27:55,410 Why would Goodall kill to keep Munson the CEO? 497 00:27:56,150 --> 00:27:58,110 You said he was rich, had job options. 498 00:27:58,350 --> 00:28:00,870 I know. I've been digging into Goodall's life. He was the... 499 00:28:01,070 --> 00:28:05,410 Further thing from desperate, he donated lots of money to tens of thousands to 500 00:28:05,410 --> 00:28:06,830 various schools, hospitals. 501 00:28:07,130 --> 00:28:09,090 Whatever motivated him, his wife seemed to know. 502 00:28:09,610 --> 00:28:11,370 She vouched for his alibi, right? 503 00:28:11,710 --> 00:28:15,350 He lied to police about what time he got home. There's no way she's going to 504 00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:18,610 talk to us. When Goodall's wife lies, she weighed privilege. 505 00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:20,670 Give it a shot. Track her down. 506 00:28:26,979 --> 00:28:31,420 Rachel Goodall, her housekeeper said she's been here since 7 a .m. Yeah, Mrs. 507 00:28:31,420 --> 00:28:32,420 Goodall's an early bird. 508 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:33,960 Always here at the crack of dawn. 509 00:28:35,020 --> 00:28:36,020 Here we are. 510 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:38,440 Do you mind? 511 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,620 The kids are fragile. 512 00:28:41,820 --> 00:28:42,860 Leukemia, batten disease. 513 00:28:43,420 --> 00:28:44,420 Here for our trial. 514 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,360 Mrs. 515 00:28:54,660 --> 00:28:55,720 Goodall is over there. 516 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,920 I am not talking to you. Please leave. 517 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,520 We just have some questions. Please. I'm not going to help you with anything. We 518 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:08,680 can subpoena you. 519 00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:10,760 That is the least of my concerns. 520 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:16,560 Hi, sweetie. 521 00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:17,700 What's your name? 522 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,260 Kevin, good old daughter. 523 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:34,900 She can't speak? 524 00:29:35,260 --> 00:29:36,260 Batten disease. 525 00:29:37,180 --> 00:29:38,880 It's brutal. 526 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,320 It erodes the ability to communicate. 527 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:48,380 On top of the seizures, the disorientation, the eventual blindness. 528 00:29:48,740 --> 00:29:49,880 Oh, it's all kids. 529 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,840 Symptoms present around the age of six. 530 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,280 From that point, the body eventually starts deteriorating. 531 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,060 You're running the trials for Wild Point, correct? We're one year in. 532 00:30:00,220 --> 00:30:01,340 How's it going? How are you? 533 00:30:01,690 --> 00:30:02,690 Close to a cure. 534 00:30:02,790 --> 00:30:05,530 We're getting close, but we're still a few years out. 535 00:30:06,370 --> 00:30:11,590 The survival rate for Patton is under 2%. That's why we're working around the 536 00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:13,930 clock. It's the only chance he'll get that. 537 00:30:15,410 --> 00:30:16,410 Thanks. 538 00:30:18,490 --> 00:30:22,370 Goodall didn't kill Hardiman to save his job. He killed Hardiman to save his 539 00:30:22,370 --> 00:30:23,370 daughter's life. 540 00:30:24,750 --> 00:30:28,110 So if Hardiman had been able to install his new... 541 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,240 profit -driven CEO at WellPoint, what would have been his first order of 542 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,940 business? Eliminate budget waste. 543 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,000 Elaborate. 544 00:30:36,420 --> 00:30:39,900 WellPoint spends a fortune on small market research into rare diseases. 545 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,960 Hardeman wanted WellPoint moving to cholesterol, blood pressure, weight loss 546 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,940 drugs, products with bigger markets. 547 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,680 So some WellPoint trials would have ended. 548 00:30:49,940 --> 00:30:52,000 Immediately. Had he done this before? 549 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:57,320 Cut drug research mid -trial in other firms that he invested in? 550 00:30:57,660 --> 00:30:58,660 So I made his money. 551 00:30:59,900 --> 00:31:03,360 Did Tom Hardiman share his proposed budget cuts with the WellPoint board? 552 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,180 Yes. He gave them a list. 553 00:31:06,420 --> 00:31:10,140 I'm going to show you what was previously marked as Exhibit 5. Was this 554 00:31:10,140 --> 00:31:15,340 was presented in June. A list of drug research he wanted to end at WellPoint. 555 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,080 Yes. Is Batten disease included on Hardiman's cut list? 556 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,360 Among others, yes. 557 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:23,480 Your Honor. 558 00:31:23,630 --> 00:31:24,850 I'd like to submit a photograph. 559 00:31:25,170 --> 00:31:28,770 Objection. This was from a hospital newsletter, Your Honor. It's publicly 560 00:31:28,770 --> 00:31:29,770 available. 561 00:31:30,990 --> 00:31:32,030 I'll allow it. 562 00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:40,210 This was taken at a Mount Hope Hospital event celebrating the strength and 563 00:31:40,210 --> 00:31:45,330 courage of children fighting Batten disease and participating in WellPoint's 564 00:31:45,330 --> 00:31:47,230 Phase I trials. 565 00:31:47,650 --> 00:31:48,850 Please, could you read the caption aloud? 566 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:56,540 Dr. Kevin Goodall with his wife and daughter, Emily, a patient battling 567 00:31:56,540 --> 00:31:57,540 disease. 568 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:03,300 So if Munson had been removed, that would have been a de facto death 569 00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:04,500 for Kevin Goodall's daughter. 570 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:05,860 Objection. Withdrawn. 571 00:32:07,060 --> 00:32:08,260 No further questions. 572 00:32:10,300 --> 00:32:14,200 Did Tom Hardiman have the power to fire Norman Munson? 573 00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:18,980 He did not. Do you have any evidence that Tom Hardiman, or anyone for that 574 00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:21,840 matter, had amassed the board votes to fire Munson? 575 00:32:22,060 --> 00:32:23,460 It was Tom's plan. Yes or no? 576 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,420 Had he assembled the votes? 577 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:33,080 Not that I know of. So the idea of what Munson's replacement might change at 578 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:39,440 Wellpoint, it's total speculation on top of complete impossibility, which means 579 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,600 my client had no reason to kill Mr. Hardiman. 580 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,080 Nothing further. 581 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:57,600 If the state's full, as it might seem, the only way to win this is to prove 582 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,880 Hardeman knew Munson had dementia and he was going to use that to force them 583 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,240 out. How? We can't get access to Munson's medical records, let alone 584 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,500 them in court without violating HIPAA. We have to call Munson to the stand. 585 00:33:11,020 --> 00:33:12,020 Based on what? 586 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,320 Hardeman's plans to fire him. 587 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:15,520 And then? 588 00:33:17,870 --> 00:33:21,970 I find a way to trip him up and reveal that his mental acuity is diminished. 589 00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:25,130 That does not feel right, Nolan, for a lot of reasons. 590 00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:28,470 Look, you can always plead this to a lesser charge. 591 00:33:29,010 --> 00:33:31,550 Put the man into a moving car, that's murder. 592 00:33:31,850 --> 00:33:32,990 Or manslaughter. 593 00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:36,030 He was acting under extreme emotional disturbance. 594 00:33:36,390 --> 00:33:40,470 He was panicked that the idea a new CEO would abandon that into this research, 595 00:33:40,570 --> 00:33:43,230 that his daughter's life was in jeopardy. He gave Goodall the right to 596 00:33:43,230 --> 00:33:45,790 what company shareholders can and can't know. 597 00:33:46,220 --> 00:33:48,880 Look what happened to Bidens in a circle when the world was questioning his 598 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,560 fitness to serve. No one thought they had the right to keep that secret. 599 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,640 Norman Munson is not a commander -in -chief. And by all accounts, in the 600 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,700 portion of the world he does control, he did nothing but good. 601 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,180 You want to humiliate him on the stand to help the Wall Street guys get richer? 602 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,920 Hardiman's fund still owns a 24 % stake. If Munson goes, they'll end research, 603 00:34:10,139 --> 00:34:11,960 medical research, to save children's lives. 604 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,600 Children we saw, Nolan. 605 00:34:15,530 --> 00:34:21,350 And we're doing this to send a devoted doctor and father to prison for life to 606 00:34:21,350 --> 00:34:22,929 get justice for a corporate raider? 607 00:34:23,250 --> 00:34:28,969 We don't get to rate our victims or defendants. But Munson, he's a bystander 608 00:34:28,969 --> 00:34:29,969 all this. 609 00:34:32,150 --> 00:34:34,050 Show me any other way. 610 00:34:44,940 --> 00:34:48,020 We are prepared to offer murder, too. 611 00:34:49,179 --> 00:34:55,280 But we'll recommend 15 to 20 years, which is the gift for charge of this 612 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,340 magnitude. Your case is weak, Nolan. That's why you're here. We're here 613 00:34:59,340 --> 00:35:02,860 we're offering a lifeline to your client and his daughter. 614 00:35:04,980 --> 00:35:05,980 Meaning what? 615 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,900 If you plead this out, no one will ever find out about Norman Manson's dementia. 616 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,200 Dementia? That's absurd. 617 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,580 Well, Point is going to continue its research into Batten disease, find a 618 00:35:18,740 --> 00:35:19,780 And your daughter will live. 619 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,660 This is one of the more brazen threats I've heard all year. 620 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:24,560 Take this to verdict. 621 00:35:24,940 --> 00:35:26,180 You run two risks. 622 00:35:26,380 --> 00:35:31,500 One, expose Norman Munson's cognitive issues, which means Munson is gone as 623 00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:36,040 before the judge even sends the jury off to deliberate. Two, you will face a 624 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,680 much harsher sentence than 15 to 20. 625 00:35:41,020 --> 00:35:42,140 Well, we're not going to lose. 626 00:35:43,370 --> 00:35:44,370 So we'll see you in court. 627 00:35:50,430 --> 00:35:54,550 One more thing. I mentioned to Judge Draven I have a scheduling conflict in 628 00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:57,410 morning, so we'll be calling Norman Munson late in the day. 629 00:35:57,850 --> 00:35:59,110 Apologies for any inconvenience. 630 00:36:00,290 --> 00:36:01,570 I hope he's not too tired. 631 00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:12,650 Were you considering retirement? 632 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,020 Not at all. I love working. 633 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,260 Do you know of any situation that could force your termination? 634 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,000 For example, if you were convicted of a crime. 635 00:36:28,260 --> 00:36:29,600 In that case, I'm out. 636 00:36:30,460 --> 00:36:34,500 What if you were caught deceiving the board or shareholders? 637 00:36:34,980 --> 00:36:35,819 I'd be removed. 638 00:36:35,820 --> 00:36:40,020 What if you were deemed medically incapable of fulfilling your duties? 639 00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:42,620 They would have to. 640 00:36:43,130 --> 00:36:44,990 Remove me. Your Honor, relevance. 641 00:36:45,290 --> 00:36:49,750 We have been at this for an hour, and the witness has made it clear he was not 642 00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:54,650 about to retire or be fired from Wellpoint Therapeutics, despite all of 643 00:36:54,810 --> 00:36:57,510 Price's dire hypotheticals. I'm getting there, Your Honor. 644 00:36:57,850 --> 00:36:59,730 Defense asks he get there tomorrow. 645 00:37:00,790 --> 00:37:01,790 It's late. 646 00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:03,410 Requesting an adjournment. 647 00:37:04,270 --> 00:37:05,670 Continue, but swiftly. 648 00:37:06,850 --> 00:37:11,030 So, Mr. Munson, once more, for the record. 649 00:37:11,870 --> 00:37:18,070 You had and have no intention of abandoning your position as CEO of 650 00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:19,690 Correct. One more question. 651 00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:23,050 It's the easiest one of the day. 652 00:37:25,050 --> 00:37:27,630 How did you get here today? 653 00:37:30,330 --> 00:37:31,330 Look. 654 00:37:33,310 --> 00:37:35,030 How did you get to this courthouse? 655 00:37:36,430 --> 00:37:40,530 Your Honor, relevance overruled. 656 00:37:45,290 --> 00:37:51,890 Don't know I don't understand you arrived at this courthouse Two hours 657 00:37:51,890 --> 00:37:55,190 I'm simply asking that you tell us how you got here 658 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:18,840 What's the question? 659 00:38:20,180 --> 00:38:24,800 It's just how you got here today. I'm asking how you got to court today. 660 00:38:29,420 --> 00:38:32,580 My car. 661 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,100 You came here by car? 662 00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:41,780 Yes, yes. A beautiful blue BMW convertible. 663 00:38:43,340 --> 00:38:46,580 We were right around with the top down all summer. 664 00:38:48,110 --> 00:38:49,110 Do you remember that? 665 00:38:53,070 --> 00:38:54,070 Do I remember? 666 00:38:57,590 --> 00:38:58,810 Mr. Munster. 667 00:38:59,190 --> 00:39:00,190 Go now. 668 00:39:00,230 --> 00:39:01,950 Judge, we'd like to meet in chambers. 669 00:39:10,990 --> 00:39:14,410 I understand you've reached an agreement on a plea. Yes, Your Honor. The 670 00:39:14,410 --> 00:39:18,130 defendant has agreed to plea to a charge of murder in the second degree. We 671 00:39:18,130 --> 00:39:20,350 recommend a 15 -year prison term. 672 00:39:21,490 --> 00:39:24,870 Mr. Goodall, do you understand the terms of this deal? 673 00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:26,670 I do, Your Honor. 674 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,560 Rachel. 675 00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:55,100 Rachel. 676 00:39:55,460 --> 00:39:56,460 I'm sorry. 677 00:39:56,500 --> 00:39:57,960 There was no other way. 678 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,300 Tell Emily I love her. 679 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,060 I was willing to give up his freedom, his whole life for his daughter. 680 00:40:07,980 --> 00:40:09,060 The greater good. 53689

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