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Previously on The Hack.
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So Nick Davies and The Guardian
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are losing the exclusive
but winning the war.
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Alan Rusbridger and The Guardian
have been in touch with us
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at Panorama.
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It's the hacking stuff,
but there's also this story
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on Jonathan Rees
that they've been pushing.
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We found invoices on his desk.
Rees to Alex Marunchak.
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At The News of the World
while Andy Coulson was the editor.
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There was a name that appeared
in the top corner of Glenn's notes.
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- Ian Edmondson.
- Ian Edmondson?
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He reported directly to Coulson.
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Someone I want you to meet.
David Cook. Gordon Brown.
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I'm interested in hearing more
about what's happened to you.
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I, uh...
I think I might be able to help.
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GORDON: I, uh...
(COUGHS)
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- I hear you're a fan of walking.
- DAVE: I am.
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Do you have a favourite spot?
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Hill walking in Arran, sir.
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(LAUGHS)
You don't need to call me sir.
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Policeman's habit.
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Well, I like Arran.
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Particularly, and, uh,
and this might point
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to a certain masochistic quality
on my part,
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- particularly in the winter time.
- Well, it's the colours,
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Arran in the winter.
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Well, we shall have to go.
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You can show me the route.
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Oh, you're making me quite homesick.
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Well, surely you can get up there
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- more often now you're not--
- Now that I don't have a job?
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- No, I didn't mean...
- (LAUGHING)
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I should be able to, shouldn't I?
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And yet I keep being dragged back
to London.
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Glen has told me something
about what happened to you.
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- Your story.
- Okay.
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The intrusion, the surveillance,
the meeting with Rebekah Brooks.
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It sounds a merry mess.
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Yeah, well, look, I made mistakes
I shouldn't have.
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Well, we all do.
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We all do.
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My father was a minister,
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as I think you know,
in the Church of Scotland,
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he would...
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He would hear everyone's stories.
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It's a great failing on my part
that I don't have the time
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nor the patience that he does.
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So, I think it's my responsibility
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to tell you why your cruel
and unusual story matter to me.
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It's because...
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It's because I think this country
has become polluted,
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and I think that we could all...
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should all try to do something
about it, don't you?
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You've read the pieces
in The Guardian, about the hacking.
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Yeah, Nick's a friend of mine.
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Did you read the pieces
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- in The New York Times, too?
- I did.
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And you know the work
that Glen is doing
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- at Panorama?
- Yeah.
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Rupert Murdoch is trying
to take control of BSkyB.
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If he does that,
it's a valuable organization,
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and he will leverage the value of it
to accumulate the debt
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needed to buy
a huge multinational company,
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perhaps Disney or Time Warner.
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He'll have control of our media
landscape and a good hold of America.
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- He needs to be stopped.
- I agree.
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I will tell you my stories
and you will tell me yours.
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And then perhaps David,
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perhaps we can work out
how to help each other.
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What do you say?
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What do you want me to say?
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(TYPING)
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(FESTIVE MUSIC PLAYING)
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MAN SINGING:
How lucky can one guy be
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I kissed her and she kissed me
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Like the sailor said, quote
"Ain't that a hole in a boat?"
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Into the shark's cage.
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I don't think they'll be providing us
with cages tonight.
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- You're late.
- Who the hell thought press awards
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were a good idea?
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A narcissist who realised
it's an industry full of narcissists
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who pay to be rewarded
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- for the narcissism.
- I can't be here.
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Look over there.
News of the World.
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You know
they actually have members of staff
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under arrest
and many more being investigated.
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The brass neck on them is ridiculous.
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So the least I can attempt
is some neck?
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No. I just want you here.
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You think we're going
to win something. You're mad.
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- Everyone here hates us.
- I want you here
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because I want us to lose
with dignity together.
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I've missed you.
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I feel itchy. I hate this shirt.
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Well, it makes you look
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- extremely handsome.
- Oh, well.
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Now I have to go and play nice
with some rich board members.
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But please remember, these people,
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they're more frightened of you
than you are of them.
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There's a difference
between hate and fear.
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Tell me quick,
ain't love a kick in the head
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MC: Ladies and gentlemen,
your attention, please.
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Before our awards start this evening,
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we have a special update
from journalist Nick Davies.
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On Wednesday, 26th of January,
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News International passed
Scotland Yard three email messages
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which they claimed
to have "only just discovered"
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in Ian Edmondson's computer.
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And Ian Edmondson was sacked.
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Once in receipt of these emails,
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Scotland Yard announced
a new inquiry,
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Operation Weeting,
under the command of Sue Akers.
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I dismissed Weeting as a PR move
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by the Met
until on the 9th of February
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they released a statement.
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The new evidence recently provided
by News International
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is being considered
alongside material
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already in the Metropolitan
Police Service's possession.
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It couldn't be. They weren't
finally going to investigate
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the last four years
of their incompetence.
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All actions and decisions
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by the previous investigation
are being reviewed.
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Or were they?
Were we winning? Finally?
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I certainly
didn't feel like a winner.
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MC: ...show business, shall we?
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And the award for showbiz reporter
of the year goes to...
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It's Stephen Moyes
of The News of the World.
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Congratulations, Stephen.
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Okay, and the award for news reporter
of the year goes to...
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It's the fake Sheikh, Mazher Mahmood,
from The News of the World.
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The Scoop of the Year now.
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The Scoop of the year is awarded
to The News of the World
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for its excellent coverage
of the cricket corruption scandal.
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And the award goes
to The News of the World.
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- The News of the World!
- (ECHOING)
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Okay, the moment
we've all been waiting for.
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It's the big one,
the Newspaper of the Year.
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Now, the Newspaper of the Year
goes to,
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for what the judges say is a paper
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completely unafraid
to take on the powers that be.
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So, the newspaper
of the year award goes to...
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The Guardian.
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(CROWD APPLAUDS)
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(KNOCKING ON DOOR)
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- Jackie Hames?
- Yes.
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Hello, my name is DS Slater,
and this is DC Grossman.
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- Is it David?
- David Cook? No.
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Uh, No. Well, I suppose, um,
in a way, yes.
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We are here investigating.
We're part of a new operation.
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Operation Weeting,
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we're investigating
allegations of phone hacking.
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Do you work for John Yates?
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No, we're part of the Special
Crime Directorate,
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under the command of Deputy
Assistant Commissioner Akers.
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Great. Thank you.
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You were found in the notebooks
of Glenn Mulcaire.
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This doesn't surprise me.
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We'd like you to take a look
at these details.
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Is this your police payroll
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- and warrant numbers?
- Yes.
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How did he have these? (STAMMERS)
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That's where I lived in 1977.
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And is this where you worked in 2002?
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- Yes. Yeah.
- And this phone number, this is--
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This is correct. Yeah.
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There's information here
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that could only have come
from my police personnel file.
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Yeah, we, um,
that's what we think.
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Someone within the Met
sold him my information,
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- David's information.
- It's um...
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It's possible.
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- When was this known?
- I'm sorry?
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When did the Metropolitan Police
have this information?
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A notebook was taken
from Mulcaire in 2006.
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- 2006?
- Yeah.
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And the Met chose neither
to inform me nor investigate
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this "possible" corruption.
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Well, that's what
we're trying to do now, ma'am.
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- Glen Campbell.
- Nick Davies.
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- Hi.
- Honour and a privilege.
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I hear that you're not well liked
at Panorama.
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I hear you're adored at The Guardian.
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So, who do you usually meet here?
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This is where you meet
criminals or politicians?
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I float between cafes and pubs
like a butterfly at a festival.
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I liked the Panorama
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- on Alex Marunchak.
- It wasn't one of mine.
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You helped. A lot.
It was good.
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You've got some particularly great
hits in on Jonathan Rees.
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And I'd liked your piece on him too.
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Mr A. Very good.
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- Are you writing more?
- No.
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I'm... didn't Dave say? I'm out.
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Coulson's gone.
This is as far as I can go.
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Don't look like that.
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An engineered death, but something.
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I wanted people
to take it seriously, they didn't.
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So, I'm handing everything on.
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I'm trying to persuade Alan
to give me Belgium.
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They gave you Newspaper of the Year.
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That was for The Guardian, not me.
I lost my category.
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- You're getting somewhere, Nick.
- I got somewhere.
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Look, I know
what this must have cost you.
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Cost me isn't the half of it.
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No one... No one cared.
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The whole industry turned away
like a complicit snake.
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What if I said I came
to see you today with an agenda?
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I'm friends
with Clare Rewcastle Brown,
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the journalist and sister in law
of Gordon Brown.
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He's leaning in.
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I took Dave to see him,
and he now wants to meet you.
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- Gordon Brown?
- Gordon's been looking at your work,
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and he thinks there's a way
to use it to go further.
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Come on, Nick.
What's meeting him going to cost you?
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Well, it's, uh,
it's wonderful to have you all here.
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Thank you, Clare and Glen
for organising it.
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You know, I have such respect for
the work of everyone in this room.
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And I used to be Prime Minister.
There. Does that start us off?
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- Yes.
- (ALL LAUGHING)
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- CLARE: Just about.
- The Murdoch BSkyB bid
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would be a disaster for our country.
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This hacking investigation
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needs better scrutiny
than people have chosen to give it.
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If people understood,
properly understood the hacking,
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what was happening with hacking,
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it may mean they rethink
the BSkyB bid.
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We have a shared objective.
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How we achieve that objective is...
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well, I increasingly believe,
as does Clare
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and Tom,
would be best achieved together.
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And perhaps
everyone would like some tea?
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And perhaps everyone
would like some tea.
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- (LAUGHS)
- Just sit, sit. I'll pour.
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No, I'll pour.
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Right.
Who would like to begin?
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Well, maybe I should speak first.
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I was recently interrupted
in an investigation room
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and shown details of my case
and Operation Weeting that were...
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Well, the level of intrusion
was troubling.
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It's just possible
that Operation Weeting
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is the first Met op
to be run properly.
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Well, the secret is John Yates
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- isn't running it.
- Good.
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Good. So, how do we help them?
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Where will they struggle?
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Well, we have to get them
to include Jonathan Rees.
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It makes no sense to tackle
Mulcaire and not Rees.
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I've got invoices to show
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that they were both
up to exactly the same activities.
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Prepare me a file
and I'll send it to Sue Akers.
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- Is it that simple?
- Well, I have access
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to Sue through the Select Committee.
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I can't promise results,
but it's a start, no?
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Well, Sue and I
were DS's at the same time,
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I've already asked her
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to expand the scope
of the investigation, but...
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It'll mean more coming
from a parliamentary perspective.
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Good. What else?
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You seem to all be
constantly looking at me surprised.
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Correct me if I'm wrong
but the problem
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we have is that the police,
politicians and press
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are all collaborating
under Murdoch's aegis.
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We are also made up of police,
politicians and press
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an unofficial opposition,
if you like.
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So, let's talk.
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What do we need to do?
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You, uh,
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- are you having a nice time?
- I'm fine.
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You know, you're a remarkable
campaigner, Nick.
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Did you ever consider
full time politics?
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Um...
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Well, I don't know. I don't know...
Why would you say that?
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Perhaps a bit too suspicious
of other people to be a politician.
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Something I struggle
with myself sometimes.
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And, uh, and I believe it
because I've seen it. On this case.
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You're not sure
whether I mean this, are you?
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- Sorry?
- You don't trust me.
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I think this is the ball that
I picked up that I will quickly drop.
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You're saying
you won't drop the ball?
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You know, they, um, they came at me
in every way, as you might expect.
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They blagged my lawyer,
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they procured
my family's medical information,
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and they, um, (LAUGHS)
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this is quite something,
they impersonated me
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to get into
my building society account.
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That's a lot.
287
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I tried to hold a judicial inquiry
into phone hacking in...
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Let's see now, uh, autumn 2009,
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- after I read a piece of yours.
- That was my first article.
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The civil service resisted it,
I think is the kind term.
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"It did not meet the tests
of public concern."
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You know, everyone, everyone thinks
they're close to Rupert.
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He's very adept at that.
He talks quietly, you know all this.
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He rarely disagrees,
he asks questions
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and, uh, he makes everyone
feel interesting.
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It fascinates me
how the powerful let him in.
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I wasn't as good at it,
at that game as Tony.
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When he came for me
and, uh, and he did.
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I was, I was unprepared,
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whether it was how I bowed my head
at the cenotaph
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or how I wrote to the grieving
mothers of dead soldiers.
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- Yes, I remember.
- You know, I rang Rupert
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to tell him that his papers
were damaging morale in Afghanistan.
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As prime minister,
I was asking people to fight,
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to risk, and he was telling them
article after article
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that I was casual with their lives,
with soldiers' life.
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That I didn't care.
To undermine that,
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to make those young people feel...
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undervalued by their government.
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It's just not right.
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Sometimes you can tell
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- that you're the son of a preacher.
- (LAUGHS)
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You know he wants everything,
his ambition is limitless.
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But he's overstepped here.
And badly.
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We can and we should do
something important to counter him.
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But this started with you
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and it's going to need to end
with you.
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All of which is to say,
we need you, Nick.
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- Dave. Dave.
- Yes, sir.
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- How's life at SOCA?
- We're getting somewhere today.
321
00:17:06,765 --> 00:17:09,785
Did I hear you've been giving orders
to GCHQ? That must be fun.
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It's a bit more complicated
than that.
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What can I do for you, John?
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Would you mind popping into mine
for a minute?
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Sure.
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Internal Investigations caught
an email coming from your computer
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- to Mike Sullivan at The Sun.
- Which email?
328
00:17:30,406 --> 00:17:31,466
So, why is this a problem?
329
00:17:31,566 --> 00:17:32,866
I said you'd rather
be told it by me--
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Well, he was useful on Morgan,
he's still useful now.
331
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I mean,
you've got a good relationship
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with him yourself, haven't you?
333
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I also have one or two questions
334
00:17:38,527 --> 00:17:40,267
about the Panorama programme
that went out.
335
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- Yeah.
- I believe you're friends
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with Glen Campbell at Panorama.
337
00:17:44,007 --> 00:17:46,467
- I have been.
- Do you think you could ask him
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how he got footage of Jonathan Rees
at his computer?
339
00:17:49,247 --> 00:17:51,187
Well, he's quite protective
of his sources.
340
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Rees is convinced, as am I,
341
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that the footage could only
have come from inside the Met.
342
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He's threatening
to take action. Again.
343
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Did it? Come from inside the Met?
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- Is that a further--
- The request to pass information
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to Mike Sullivan came from you.
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00:18:05,968 --> 00:18:08,468
- I mean, he's your mate.
- But there are rules, Dave,
347
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- and you know that.
- I do.
348
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And how's Operation Weeting
treating you, Mr Rules?
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Give Panorama, Mike Sullivan,
Nick Davies or anyone fucking else,
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anything about our cases
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and you'll be strung up
for all to see.
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- Do you hear me?
- Yeah, I hear you.
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I've got permission to talk about it
with you and you alone.
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- I am privileged.
- That means private meetings,
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you and I, outside of editorial.
356
00:18:42,490 --> 00:18:44,790
Of course.
When have we not had those?
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- Welcome back.
- Alan. Our Scottish friend,
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you know him better than I do.
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- We can trust him, right?
- I want to say two things.
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One, you're a journalist
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and I am scared that getting into bed
with certain politicians
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- we'll lose our vital independence.
- You do it all the time.
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I share my bed
with all political parties
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and I hope I'm pretty fair
at sharing the covers.
365
00:19:21,252 --> 00:19:24,232
Nick, we've just removed
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a senior member
of Conservative staff,
367
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and I don't want that dismissed
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as coming from the newspaper arm
of the Labour group.
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Yeah, understood.
But I asked about Gordon.
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And that's the second thing.
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You don't go into a room
with Gordon Brown
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and get what you want,
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you go into a room
and get what he wants.
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00:19:40,973 --> 00:19:45,713
He's ferociously intelligent,
and very used to power.
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But if your interests align,
as I think they do here,
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he can be a remarkable ally.
377
00:19:57,013 --> 00:20:00,794
- One last push, is it?
- And then I want Brussels.
378
00:20:00,894 --> 00:20:04,234
And then you want
your well-paid chocolate dream.
379
00:20:04,334 --> 00:20:06,354
Of course. Good.
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00:20:06,454 --> 00:20:08,914
But please Nick, take it slow.
381
00:20:09,014 --> 00:20:11,394
To work. What have you got?
382
00:20:11,494 --> 00:20:13,594
The flood of cases
is overwhelming the courts.
383
00:20:13,694 --> 00:20:15,634
So, they've just appointed
a Hacking Judge.
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He's already causing trouble.
385
00:20:16,774 --> 00:20:18,394
At the Andy Gray trial,
he said it's clear
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00:20:18,494 --> 00:20:20,475
Mulcaire had been regularly
hacking him.
387
00:20:20,575 --> 00:20:23,795
So that's an invitation.
Any man, woman or creature
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00:20:23,895 --> 00:20:27,355
who has anything in those books
has been given license to sue.
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00:20:27,455 --> 00:20:29,535
- And you'll write it up?
- Yeah.
390
00:20:32,815 --> 00:20:35,195
Why do you think they gave us this?
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00:20:35,295 --> 00:20:37,435
Huh? For good journalism.
392
00:20:37,535 --> 00:20:40,916
None of them support the story,
our story.
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00:20:41,016 --> 00:20:44,816
Guilt, the world's
most powerful motive.
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00:20:47,896 --> 00:20:50,516
- I love you, darling.
- Yeah. I love you too.
395
00:20:50,616 --> 00:20:52,876
- Dinner's in an hour.
- Okay.
396
00:20:52,976 --> 00:20:55,056
It's mac and cheese.
397
00:20:56,536 --> 00:20:59,556
She's not been sleeping very well.
398
00:20:59,656 --> 00:21:02,597
I've been making her leave her phone
downstairs most nights,
399
00:21:02,697 --> 00:21:05,157
I'm not sure
you'll get away with that.
400
00:21:05,257 --> 00:21:07,077
I'll do my best.
401
00:21:07,177 --> 00:21:09,177
Also, um...
402
00:21:11,097 --> 00:21:14,217
I've been contacted
by Operation Weeting.
403
00:21:15,497 --> 00:21:19,537
- Oh, have you?
- You knew then?
404
00:21:23,418 --> 00:21:25,038
The things they had on me.
405
00:21:25,138 --> 00:21:26,238
I know. I'm sorry.
406
00:21:26,338 --> 00:21:28,338
- I should have warned you.
- Yeah.
407
00:21:31,738 --> 00:21:34,038
- Yates came after me today.
- And?
408
00:21:34,138 --> 00:21:37,198
- Didn't land a punch.
- Good.
409
00:21:37,298 --> 00:21:40,478
They're keeping me at arms length,
410
00:21:40,578 --> 00:21:43,359
but they did tell me
a few pieces of useful information.
411
00:21:43,459 --> 00:21:47,919
You remember that time Surrey police
got a call fishing for my details.
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00:21:48,019 --> 00:21:50,859
- Mm-hm.
- Well, Weeting told me that, um,
413
00:21:51,899 --> 00:21:54,319
it was probably Mulcaire
who made that call.
414
00:21:54,419 --> 00:21:56,419
Jesus Christ.
415
00:21:59,139 --> 00:22:02,140
I don't think anyone's understood
the depth of criminality here.
416
00:22:03,180 --> 00:22:05,400
Destabilising police investigations,
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00:22:05,500 --> 00:22:08,240
we're talking about
a murder charge being...
418
00:22:08,340 --> 00:22:10,420
Yeah. Look, who I'm telling, right?
419
00:22:11,620 --> 00:22:13,820
- Please don't laugh at me about this.
- I'm not.
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00:22:14,900 --> 00:22:16,900
I'm not.
421
00:22:18,740 --> 00:22:20,160
You know,
right at the beginning of this,
422
00:22:20,260 --> 00:22:22,261
I went to see Rebekah Brooks.
423
00:22:23,661 --> 00:22:27,421
And I said,
what you're doing is outrageous.
424
00:22:28,781 --> 00:22:31,401
And you know what she said?
425
00:22:31,501 --> 00:22:32,801
She said, "We believed
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00:22:32,901 --> 00:22:35,321
that you and Jackie
were having an affair,
427
00:22:35,421 --> 00:22:40,361
and as you're both public figures,
public interest was on our side."
428
00:22:40,461 --> 00:22:42,442
They thought we were having an affair
429
00:22:42,542 --> 00:22:44,542
- when we were already married?
- Ridiculous.
430
00:22:46,382 --> 00:22:48,782
- Absurd.
- Cruel, I think is a better word.
431
00:22:52,742 --> 00:22:54,742
Yeah.
432
00:22:55,862 --> 00:22:59,562
I have a source in the police
who's been quite openly victimised.
433
00:22:59,662 --> 00:23:03,163
Might stop
the whining celebrity angle.
434
00:23:03,263 --> 00:23:05,323
What whining celebrity angle?
435
00:23:05,423 --> 00:23:07,363
People dismissing it
because they think
436
00:23:07,463 --> 00:23:10,243
it's just celebrities whining.
Get him on the record.
437
00:23:10,343 --> 00:23:11,883
It's just, he's been badly damaged
438
00:23:11,983 --> 00:23:14,103
- by all this already.
- You're Nick Davies?
439
00:23:15,623 --> 00:23:18,323
Only on weekdays.
Have we met? How can I help?
440
00:23:18,423 --> 00:23:19,483
By telling me what the fuck
441
00:23:19,583 --> 00:23:21,583
you think you're doing
stealing my story?
442
00:23:23,264 --> 00:23:25,264
Can we use your office?
443
00:23:30,904 --> 00:23:34,724
- Which story have I stolen?
- Apparently, you're Mr Hacking.
444
00:23:34,824 --> 00:23:35,964
Every hacking story
445
00:23:36,064 --> 00:23:38,064
- carries your byline.
- It doesn't.
446
00:23:38,824 --> 00:23:40,884
Today. In the paper. Published.
447
00:23:40,984 --> 00:23:43,785
- You didn't write one word of it.
- No.
448
00:23:45,585 --> 00:23:49,465
- Well, aren't you going to apologise?
- No.
449
00:23:52,145 --> 00:23:54,645
You know, The Guardian
gives out all this shit
450
00:23:54,745 --> 00:23:56,765
about what kind of world it wants,
and yet--
451
00:23:56,865 --> 00:23:59,525
- This is well written.
- Fuck off.
452
00:23:59,625 --> 00:24:02,565
I didn't ask for a credit on it.
Whoever said I did was wrong.
453
00:24:02,665 --> 00:24:04,526
Right, then, who do we see next?
454
00:24:04,626 --> 00:24:06,606
- Alan?
- Bold, don't you think?
455
00:24:06,706 --> 00:24:08,686
Writing a story
about the hacking scandal
456
00:24:08,786 --> 00:24:09,886
without consulting someone
457
00:24:09,986 --> 00:24:12,946
who spent the last three years
having his life destroyed by it?
458
00:24:15,106 --> 00:24:16,566
Is this what works for you?
459
00:24:16,666 --> 00:24:18,606
When you're attacked
you just attack back?
460
00:24:18,706 --> 00:24:19,926
No. Sometimes.
461
00:24:20,026 --> 00:24:21,966
Maybe.
You could have something there.
462
00:24:22,066 --> 00:24:25,767
This is about Operation Weeting,
it's a totally different thing.
463
00:24:25,867 --> 00:24:28,387
How come I haven't seen you
round the offices before?
464
00:24:29,787 --> 00:24:33,447
I work alone. My own hours.
They're supportive of it.
465
00:24:33,547 --> 00:24:35,287
And what have you got on Weeting?
466
00:24:35,387 --> 00:24:37,967
A contact of mine
in the force has been put on it.
467
00:24:38,067 --> 00:24:39,927
He's feeding me.
468
00:24:40,027 --> 00:24:41,967
- Tell me everything.
- No.
469
00:24:42,067 --> 00:24:44,068
(LAUGHS)
470
00:24:45,548 --> 00:24:49,648
He says it's timid.
He's eager for more action.
471
00:24:49,748 --> 00:24:52,508
- What's he giving you?
- Each arrest as it happens.
472
00:24:53,788 --> 00:24:55,008
Neville Thurlbeck is going to be
473
00:24:55,108 --> 00:24:56,848
at Kingston Police Station
between nine and ten,
474
00:24:56,948 --> 00:24:59,488
so, I'm there
conveniently for the arrest.
475
00:24:59,588 --> 00:25:04,129
Can you...
might you tell your source,
476
00:25:04,229 --> 00:25:06,929
um, tell him to look into the initial
Select Committee hearings,
477
00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:09,729
in particular the letter they got
from the News International lawyers.
478
00:25:09,829 --> 00:25:13,189
Because there's disclosures in that
the police never got the answer to.
479
00:25:16,829 --> 00:25:19,729
Thanks. I will.
480
00:25:19,829 --> 00:25:23,929
Would it be so bad,
us working together?
481
00:25:24,029 --> 00:25:26,150
- (KNOCKING)
- You need to see this.
482
00:25:27,150 --> 00:25:29,930
REPORTER 1: Here's Ben Rosier
in Wapping with more on this story.
483
00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:31,210
REPORTER 2: First, the denials
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that celebrity voicemail messages
were listened to,
485
00:25:33,950 --> 00:25:36,570
then they claim it was down
to a single rogue reporter
486
00:25:36,670 --> 00:25:38,810
- and a private investigator sidekick.
- What?
487
00:25:38,910 --> 00:25:40,250
Now the admission,
488
00:25:40,350 --> 00:25:42,650
"We failed to uncover
what was going on."
489
00:25:42,750 --> 00:25:45,491
"We're going to apologise,
and we're going to pay up."
490
00:25:45,591 --> 00:25:48,531
- Fuck.
- Absolutely right.
491
00:25:48,631 --> 00:25:52,051
What exactly are
The News of the World admitting to?
492
00:25:52,151 --> 00:25:54,851
- It's brilliant.
- Is it?
493
00:25:54,951 --> 00:25:57,891
Well, by admitting they're at fault,
and agreeing to cooperate,
494
00:25:57,991 --> 00:26:00,731
in fact, what they're doing
is they're finding a new device
495
00:26:00,831 --> 00:26:03,811
for concealing the truth.
Nick, will it be cheaper?
496
00:26:03,911 --> 00:26:05,092
Uh, standard-rate damages
497
00:26:05,192 --> 00:26:07,332
rather than the million-pound
hush money they've had to pay out.
498
00:26:07,432 --> 00:26:10,572
And getting this out in court now
is next to impossible. Am I right?
499
00:26:10,672 --> 00:26:14,172
Well, if you are... Uh, for instance,
Sienna Miller
500
00:26:14,272 --> 00:26:16,212
and you do take it to trial,
501
00:26:16,312 --> 00:26:18,972
then if she ends up
getting less at trial
502
00:26:19,072 --> 00:26:21,212
than they offered her before,
then she risks being ordered
503
00:26:21,312 --> 00:26:24,412
to pay both side's costs,
which could be astronomical.
504
00:26:24,512 --> 00:26:27,813
And so... Then, yes, it makes getting
to trial almost impossible.
505
00:26:27,913 --> 00:26:30,653
- Shit.
- My advice is...
506
00:26:30,753 --> 00:26:33,413
They've twisted one way,
we must twist another.
507
00:26:33,513 --> 00:26:36,333
I've had a reply
from Sue Akers on Rees.
508
00:26:36,433 --> 00:26:38,373
She's shutting you down?
509
00:26:38,473 --> 00:26:40,693
She says her remit is limited
510
00:26:40,793 --> 00:26:43,373
to Mulcaire and the notebooks.
She isn't going near Rees.
511
00:26:43,473 --> 00:26:46,654
Should we try to leak something?
Put pressure on that way.
512
00:26:46,754 --> 00:26:49,134
I've got Rees specifically
targeting Kate Middleton.
513
00:26:49,234 --> 00:26:51,174
I've just heard
he targeted John Yates.
514
00:26:51,274 --> 00:26:56,014
Or we could... Do you think...
If we twisted an arm or two,
515
00:26:56,114 --> 00:26:58,854
do you think we could get me
up the list for PMQs?
516
00:26:58,954 --> 00:27:02,614
- Ah. That's a very good idea.
- I'm not following.
517
00:27:02,714 --> 00:27:04,654
What does Sue Akers want?
518
00:27:04,754 --> 00:27:07,295
To be free to take the evidence
wherever it leads her,
519
00:27:07,395 --> 00:27:09,695
with a swift prod from the left.
520
00:27:09,795 --> 00:27:12,375
Maybe the Prime Minister
will extend her brief.
521
00:27:12,475 --> 00:27:16,055
- You could even name Rees.
- Oh. Good. Good.
522
00:27:16,155 --> 00:27:19,555
Hang on. All of this exposes Dave
to scrutiny again.
523
00:27:21,435 --> 00:27:24,135
- I'm ready.
- Tom, can I help?
524
00:27:24,235 --> 00:27:27,256
- Please do.
- Good. Good.
525
00:27:27,356 --> 00:27:29,296
Let's box Cameron in.
526
00:27:29,396 --> 00:27:31,336
As the Prime Minister
has previously said,
527
00:27:31,436 --> 00:27:34,896
the hacking inquiry should go
where the evidence takes it.
528
00:27:34,996 --> 00:27:38,056
The Metropolitan Police
are in possession of paperwork,
529
00:27:38,156 --> 00:27:39,536
which details the dealings
530
00:27:39,636 --> 00:27:42,296
of criminal private investigator
Jonathan Rees.
531
00:27:42,396 --> 00:27:45,656
It strongly suggests that
on behalf of News International,
532
00:27:45,756 --> 00:27:48,577
he was illegally targeting members
of the royal family,
533
00:27:48,677 --> 00:27:52,177
senior politicians
and high level terrorist informers.
534
00:27:52,277 --> 00:27:55,657
Yet the head of Operation Weeting
has recently written to me
535
00:27:55,757 --> 00:27:57,137
to explain that this evidence
536
00:27:57,237 --> 00:28:00,097
may be outside
the inquiry's terms of reference.
537
00:28:00,197 --> 00:28:01,817
Prime Minister,
538
00:28:01,917 --> 00:28:04,957
I believe powerful forces
are involved in a cover-up.
539
00:28:06,517 --> 00:28:09,778
Please, please tell me
what you intend to do
540
00:28:09,878 --> 00:28:11,878
to make sure
that this doesn't happen.
541
00:28:14,198 --> 00:28:16,298
The point I'd make
to the honourable gentleman
542
00:28:16,398 --> 00:28:19,978
who I Know takes a close interest in
this, is there is a police inquiry.
543
00:28:20,078 --> 00:28:22,298
A police inquiry
doesn't need terms of reference.
544
00:28:22,398 --> 00:28:25,018
The police are free
to investigate the evidence
545
00:28:25,118 --> 00:28:27,058
and take that wherever it leads them
546
00:28:27,158 --> 00:28:29,759
and then mount a prosecution
with the CPS.
547
00:28:31,879 --> 00:28:33,859
- Amelia. Hi.
- Sorry, go in.
548
00:28:33,959 --> 00:28:36,179
Sorry. A bit weird to wait
for people outside toilets.
549
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:38,219
- Oh, I've done worse.
- Got a minute?
550
00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:41,779
- Sure.
- Two inquiries are being set up.
551
00:28:41,879 --> 00:28:43,059
Operation Tuleta,
552
00:28:43,159 --> 00:28:44,859
looking specifically
into Jonathan Rees.
553
00:28:44,959 --> 00:28:46,899
- Good.
- Operation Elveden--
554
00:28:46,999 --> 00:28:49,220
I can never get over Scotland Yard's
need for strange names.
555
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,900
To investigate the alleged payment
of bribes to police officers
556
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,500
and other officials from journalists
from the News of the World.
557
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,980
- What's made them do this?
- You didn't see Tom Watson's speech?
558
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,820
- Oh, I may have done.
- Did you write it?
559
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,920
(LAUGHS)
560
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:10,261
Also, the Select Committee wading
you suggested to my officer,
561
00:29:10,361 --> 00:29:12,541
- let's call him...
- Jingle.
562
00:29:12,641 --> 00:29:14,881
Fine. It proved fruitful.
563
00:29:16,121 --> 00:29:18,941
Operation Weeting forced some e-mails
out of News International.
564
00:29:19,041 --> 00:29:20,301
And the Met discovered
on their servers
565
00:29:20,401 --> 00:29:22,141
some systematic deletions.
566
00:29:22,241 --> 00:29:23,941
- Of course.
- In particular,
567
00:29:24,041 --> 00:29:27,021
one enormous deletion in January.
568
00:29:27,121 --> 00:29:28,822
While they were handing over
569
00:29:28,922 --> 00:29:32,302
those three e-mails
from Ian Edmondson? Bastards!
570
00:29:32,402 --> 00:29:35,222
- Can we print?
- I'm... I'm working on it.
571
00:29:35,322 --> 00:29:38,622
Look, Jingle was grateful
for the advice.
572
00:29:38,722 --> 00:29:42,102
He said he can't volunteer
information on active cases,
573
00:29:42,202 --> 00:29:44,402
but ask him a question,
he'll tell no lies.
574
00:29:52,443 --> 00:29:53,703
We've had something
interesting come up.
575
00:29:53,803 --> 00:29:54,863
What is Judge Voss doing?
576
00:29:54,963 --> 00:29:57,143
I feel like we've only seen
a tiny percent of Mulcaire's note.
577
00:29:57,243 --> 00:29:59,983
Voss is being robust with everyone.
It's yielding fruit.
578
00:30:00,083 --> 00:30:02,623
- Sienna Miller is being typically--
- The Sky Andrew case feels important.
579
00:30:02,723 --> 00:30:03,943
- Where are we--
- Nick, I've got something,
580
00:30:04,043 --> 00:30:06,063
if you're interested,
but you will need to listen.
581
00:30:06,163 --> 00:30:08,163
Sorry. Go on.
582
00:30:10,604 --> 00:30:13,544
I've been representing, as you know,
Leslie Ash and Lee Chapman.
583
00:30:13,644 --> 00:30:14,664
Yeah, I read about it.
584
00:30:14,764 --> 00:30:16,764
- You're doing brilliantly.
- (CHUCKLES)
585
00:30:17,844 --> 00:30:20,024
You're like my ex,
you always get complimentary
586
00:30:20,124 --> 00:30:22,464
when you know you're in the wrong.
587
00:30:22,564 --> 00:30:24,564
Sorry. I am sorry.
588
00:30:26,204 --> 00:30:28,144
I heard you were a mess.
589
00:30:28,244 --> 00:30:31,185
Oh, fine.
I can see an island of sanity.
590
00:30:31,285 --> 00:30:34,085
I'm... I'm floating close to it.
Go on.
591
00:30:38,845 --> 00:30:40,785
I went to Putney
so that the rooting officers
592
00:30:40,885 --> 00:30:43,345
could show me the notes
Mulcaire had taken from Leslie Ash
593
00:30:43,445 --> 00:30:45,185
- and Lee Chapman's voicemail.
- Yeah.
594
00:30:45,285 --> 00:30:51,746
And some genius
combined the two names
595
00:30:51,846 --> 00:30:55,006
and gave me the details
of Leslie Chapman.
596
00:30:56,646 --> 00:30:59,566
- NICK: Remind me.
- Jessica Chapman's father.
597
00:31:00,606 --> 00:31:02,666
Jessica Chapman was one
of the murdered schoolgirls, right?
598
00:31:02,766 --> 00:31:04,666
The Soham murders?
599
00:31:04,766 --> 00:31:07,706
It looks like Leslie Chapman's
voicemail was hacked.
600
00:31:07,806 --> 00:31:09,947
They hacked the voicemail
of a grieving father?
601
00:31:10,047 --> 00:31:14,967
I'm not sure, but it looks that way.
You can't use it. Yet.
602
00:31:16,887 --> 00:31:19,947
- This could change everything.
- I need to talk to the family.
603
00:31:20,047 --> 00:31:24,067
I need permissions.
I need to be sure.
604
00:31:24,167 --> 00:31:25,547
The Chapman family,
I could talk to them.
605
00:31:25,647 --> 00:31:27,647
That's not why I'm telling you this.
606
00:31:28,727 --> 00:31:32,468
Nick, think. If they're doing this
to the Chapmans...
607
00:31:32,568 --> 00:31:35,488
- Where else have they been?
- Exactly.
608
00:31:41,648 --> 00:31:43,588
NICK: Jessica Chapman.
609
00:31:43,688 --> 00:31:47,148
The Soham murders
tore the police apart for a while.
610
00:31:47,248 --> 00:31:49,748
She's sure they were
in the parents' phone?
611
00:31:49,848 --> 00:31:52,789
It's in Mulcaire's notebooks.
But I can't get in there.
612
00:31:52,889 --> 00:31:55,509
- I've got to find another way in.
- You will.
613
00:31:55,609 --> 00:31:59,769
- I envy your confidence.
- No, just, um...
614
00:32:02,969 --> 00:32:04,969
I'm just happy to have you back.
615
00:32:08,169 --> 00:32:10,990
- I thought that was better.
- Sometimes. (GRUNTS)
616
00:32:11,090 --> 00:32:13,090
It comes and goes.
617
00:32:14,930 --> 00:32:16,870
Are you just frying that cheese?
618
00:32:16,970 --> 00:32:18,070
It's halloumi cheese.
619
00:32:18,170 --> 00:32:20,230
- You'll like it.
- I'm not hungry anymore.
620
00:32:20,330 --> 00:32:21,670
- What?
- No, it's just that I don't get it.
621
00:32:21,770 --> 00:32:22,950
I mean...
622
00:32:23,050 --> 00:32:25,090
I eat when I know that I have to eat.
623
00:32:26,410 --> 00:32:28,630
I just don't get hungry anymore.
624
00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:30,670
- Don't.
- What?
625
00:32:30,770 --> 00:32:32,751
- With that sympathy look.
- I'm not being sympathetic.
626
00:32:32,851 --> 00:32:35,231
Don't try and pretend
you're in any better state than me.
627
00:32:35,331 --> 00:32:37,831
I've seen you, mate.
You are this close to total collapse.
628
00:32:37,931 --> 00:32:39,231
- I'm telling you.
- You know the story
629
00:32:39,331 --> 00:32:40,391
of the dung beetle?
630
00:32:40,491 --> 00:32:42,591
Oh, God. Have I stooped that low?
631
00:32:42,691 --> 00:32:44,871
- What?
- It's what you trot out.
632
00:32:44,971 --> 00:32:48,031
You trot out that story quite a lot,
you know. Ask your kids.
633
00:32:48,131 --> 00:32:50,831
Christ, pity your kids.
Whatever's going on--
634
00:32:50,931 --> 00:32:53,632
- Have you heard of the dung beetle?
- An aggressive response.
635
00:32:53,732 --> 00:32:56,112
- (LAUGHS)
- Come on.
636
00:32:56,212 --> 00:32:59,212
- That'll make you hungry.
- Thank you.
637
00:33:02,612 --> 00:33:04,612
- You want to know how I do it?
- Hmm.
638
00:33:05,612 --> 00:33:09,172
I focus on the details.
Always the next detail.
639
00:33:10,812 --> 00:33:13,613
I've been phobic of blood
ever since a body exploded on me.
640
00:33:14,773 --> 00:33:16,553
- Body exploded on you?
- Yeah, well,
641
00:33:16,653 --> 00:33:18,313
an older man full of hernias.
642
00:33:18,413 --> 00:33:23,593
Normally, when a pathologist scalpel
enters a cadaver, you hear a hiss.
643
00:33:23,693 --> 00:33:26,513
Well, this time he exploded.
644
00:33:26,613 --> 00:33:28,953
Blood was everywhere,
I was covered in it.
645
00:33:29,053 --> 00:33:30,633
I was in homicide.
So going to pathology
646
00:33:30,733 --> 00:33:33,074
is a key part of my job, right?
647
00:33:33,174 --> 00:33:35,174
So I focused on the details.
648
00:33:36,174 --> 00:33:38,174
Ears, toes.
649
00:33:39,774 --> 00:33:41,774
Even how the wound looked.
650
00:33:42,854 --> 00:33:44,854
The blood, I made disappear.
651
00:33:49,574 --> 00:33:51,574
So how do you do it, Nick?
652
00:34:19,496 --> 00:34:21,496
(KEYBOARD CLACKING)
653
00:34:41,657 --> 00:34:43,657
Tell me I'm mad.
654
00:34:44,897 --> 00:34:46,837
- With pleasure.
- I was in the database.
655
00:34:46,937 --> 00:34:49,637
News of the World, April 14th, 2002.
656
00:34:49,737 --> 00:34:51,717
Two hundred fifty words long,
page nine.
657
00:34:51,817 --> 00:34:53,437
It claims that voicemail messages
658
00:34:53,537 --> 00:34:56,498
were sent to Milly's phone
after she disappeared.
659
00:34:57,858 --> 00:34:59,798
Milly Dowler.
660
00:34:59,898 --> 00:35:01,478
"Police say voicemails were left
661
00:35:01,578 --> 00:35:05,118
by a mentally disturbed woman
who was hoaxed previous inquiries."
662
00:35:05,218 --> 00:35:07,838
It even quotes
what the voicemail said.
663
00:35:07,938 --> 00:35:11,038
"Uh, hello. We're ringing because
we have some interviews starting.
664
00:35:11,138 --> 00:35:13,138
Can you call me back? Thank you.
Bye-bye."
665
00:35:16,219 --> 00:35:18,739
This is six days
after Milly had disappeared.
666
00:35:22,499 --> 00:35:24,539
Final edition of the paper.
667
00:35:26,179 --> 00:35:28,179
That reference was removed.
668
00:35:32,899 --> 00:35:35,440
Because they might have realised
what a boo-boo they had made.
669
00:35:35,540 --> 00:35:36,600
Charlotte has evidence
670
00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:40,080
that they hacked Jessica Chapman's
father on the Soham case.
671
00:35:40,180 --> 00:35:42,680
We can't get close to that,
that was the family...
672
00:35:42,780 --> 00:35:46,340
- But this is the girl herself.
- Rebekah was editor then.
673
00:35:47,740 --> 00:35:49,740
This was under her aegis.
674
00:35:51,980 --> 00:35:54,220
- (STUTTERING) Can you confirm this?
- I think so.
675
00:35:59,181 --> 00:36:01,501
Is this as big as I think it is?
676
00:36:03,021 --> 00:36:05,021
Yes, it is.
677
00:36:07,221 --> 00:36:09,541
Make sure it stands up.
678
00:36:15,382 --> 00:36:17,082
NICK: Yeah, hi. Any fruit?
679
00:36:17,182 --> 00:36:18,722
AMELIA: Jingle says
they've been investigating.
680
00:36:18,822 --> 00:36:21,042
Is that confirmation?
Are they confirming that it happened?
681
00:36:21,142 --> 00:36:24,062
Yes. There is a page on Dowler
in Mulcaire's notebooks.
682
00:36:25,222 --> 00:36:27,842
Right. We need to be
absolutely watertight.
683
00:36:27,942 --> 00:36:30,762
Nick, he also says
they're pursuing a line of inquiry,
684
00:36:30,862 --> 00:36:34,042
they deleted messages
because the voice mailbox was full.
685
00:36:34,142 --> 00:36:35,843
They deleted messages?
686
00:36:35,943 --> 00:36:38,083
I'll get us a firm anonymous quote
from Jingle.
687
00:36:38,183 --> 00:36:40,223
- Okay, thanks Amelia. Bye-bye.
- Bye.
688
00:36:42,303 --> 00:36:45,283
I have a source from inside Weeting,
I've got the article. Glen.
689
00:36:45,383 --> 00:36:46,683
I've got a good source saying
690
00:36:46,783 --> 00:36:49,263
that Surrey police knew about it
and the Dowler family did not.
691
00:36:50,423 --> 00:36:53,203
Well, this is it. This is it.
692
00:36:53,303 --> 00:36:56,644
I don't want to believe, but I do.
693
00:36:56,744 --> 00:36:59,244
The source is clear.
Stuart Kuttner...
694
00:36:59,344 --> 00:37:01,884
- Remember him?
- ...even called Surrey police.
695
00:37:01,984 --> 00:37:04,124
He didn't just hear the voicemail,
he followed up on it.
696
00:37:04,224 --> 00:37:06,724
They even think they deleted
her answerphone messages
697
00:37:06,824 --> 00:37:09,444
to allow space for messages
to be given.
698
00:37:09,544 --> 00:37:10,644
Which made the family think
699
00:37:10,744 --> 00:37:12,564
- she was still alive.
- Oh, God.
700
00:37:12,664 --> 00:37:16,585
Do you know if we can land this,
this changes everything.
701
00:37:17,585 --> 00:37:22,285
- How?
- A child? A dead child's phone?
702
00:37:22,385 --> 00:37:24,765
It's despicable.
You know, part of the British public
703
00:37:24,865 --> 00:37:26,485
think that celebrities, politicians,
704
00:37:26,585 --> 00:37:28,445
journalists even deserve
everything they get.
705
00:37:28,545 --> 00:37:33,625
But when an innocent is harmed,
an innocent already wronged.
706
00:37:34,625 --> 00:37:38,926
Trust me, the News of the World
won't be forgiven for this.
707
00:37:39,026 --> 00:37:41,586
(PHONE BUZZING)
708
00:37:44,066 --> 00:37:46,066
Hi, this is Dave.
Leave a message.
709
00:37:47,466 --> 00:37:51,486
David, I've been offered
to go on to Channel 4.
710
00:37:51,586 --> 00:37:53,886
I don't have a career to protect,
and I think I should do it.
711
00:37:53,986 --> 00:37:55,926
If you have a problem
with any of this,
712
00:37:56,026 --> 00:37:58,747
could you just call me
or text me, please? Thank you.
713
00:38:29,628 --> 00:38:31,888
- (DOOR OPENING)
- Mrs Dowler?
714
00:38:31,988 --> 00:38:33,488
- My name is Nick Davies.
- I know.
715
00:38:33,588 --> 00:38:35,248
They said you'd be coming by.
716
00:38:35,348 --> 00:38:37,389
I've just been watching you
on YouTube.
717
00:38:38,469 --> 00:38:40,469
- Come on. Come in.
- Thank you.
718
00:38:47,549 --> 00:38:49,549
Thank you.
719
00:38:51,389 --> 00:38:54,349
- So the police are keeping you--
- Up to date with it all, yes.
720
00:38:56,109 --> 00:38:57,289
Operation Weeting,
721
00:38:57,389 --> 00:38:59,590
- good team, it seems.
- They say it was true.
722
00:39:00,990 --> 00:39:02,990
Our daughter was hacked.
723
00:39:04,110 --> 00:39:07,830
- Yes.
- Can you tell us why?
724
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:11,930
Why? Sorry?
725
00:39:12,030 --> 00:39:15,390
What we don't understand
is why someone would do this.
726
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:18,911
You're a journalist.
Can you explain?
727
00:39:25,431 --> 00:39:27,591
I think they thought
there was a good story in it.
728
00:39:29,111 --> 00:39:31,291
A good story?
729
00:39:31,391 --> 00:39:34,331
They wanted to... either to find her,
730
00:39:34,431 --> 00:39:37,331
or to find something printable
about her.
731
00:39:37,431 --> 00:39:40,212
So, the phone
promised all those things.
732
00:39:40,312 --> 00:39:43,392
But we'd only just lost her,
didn't they know it was wrong?
733
00:39:45,952 --> 00:39:48,012
I think they didn't consider that.
734
00:39:48,112 --> 00:39:50,432
Didn't they know it would hurt us?
735
00:39:55,152 --> 00:39:57,152
Milly...
736
00:39:58,993 --> 00:40:01,753
At that time, Milly was the most
famous person in the UK,
737
00:40:02,753 --> 00:40:04,793
and everyone
wanted to read about her.
738
00:40:07,433 --> 00:40:09,833
And I'm afraid they needed
to sell their newspaper.
739
00:40:11,273 --> 00:40:13,813
And now you're here.
740
00:40:13,913 --> 00:40:16,713
- As someone else selling a newspaper.
- I am.
741
00:40:20,394 --> 00:40:25,074
Yes, but I'm hoping
what we are doing...
742
00:40:27,994 --> 00:40:32,014
will help expose a wrong
that was done to your daughter.
743
00:40:32,114 --> 00:40:34,754
However, yes, I, uh,
we are selling newspapers,
744
00:40:35,914 --> 00:40:38,974
and I know that all this
will be bringing her
745
00:40:39,074 --> 00:40:41,015
back into the spotlight again,
746
00:40:41,115 --> 00:40:43,115
- and I know--
- That's painful?
747
00:40:45,075 --> 00:40:47,955
- Just slightly.
- Yeah.
748
00:40:50,755 --> 00:40:52,755
But you should do it all the same.
749
00:40:54,315 --> 00:40:57,555
You have our permission Nick,
if you needed it, that is.
750
00:41:01,076 --> 00:41:03,076
Thank you.
751
00:41:04,316 --> 00:41:05,776
Always can never
get used to microphones
752
00:41:05,876 --> 00:41:06,896
being poked everywhere.
753
00:41:06,996 --> 00:41:10,056
(SCOFFS) I'm used to it. Crimewatch.
754
00:41:10,156 --> 00:41:12,496
- Of course. Of course you are.
- (MOBILE VIBRATES)
755
00:41:12,596 --> 00:41:14,596
- More used to it than me.
- No.
756
00:41:20,717 --> 00:41:21,897
Do you want to share
757
00:41:21,997 --> 00:41:24,117
- the byline with Amelia?
- Her source helped confirm it.
758
00:41:25,157 --> 00:41:27,437
Needs something clearer.
759
00:41:28,597 --> 00:41:31,297
- News of the World targeted--
- Illegally targeted.
760
00:41:31,397 --> 00:41:35,177
Good. Illegally targeted
the missing schoolgirl Milly Dowler
761
00:41:35,277 --> 00:41:38,457
- and her family in dates...
- Yup.
762
00:41:38,557 --> 00:41:41,578
interfering
with the police investigation into...
763
00:41:41,678 --> 00:41:45,218
No, interfering with police inquiries
764
00:41:45,318 --> 00:41:49,418
into her disappearance
and deleted messages.
765
00:41:49,518 --> 00:41:51,798
Then what the family believed,
766
00:41:53,198 --> 00:41:57,058
she's alive, the lie of that.
767
00:41:57,158 --> 00:41:59,058
Do we have a source
and a secondary source?
768
00:41:59,158 --> 00:42:00,298
Yes, we do.
769
00:42:00,398 --> 00:42:04,039
- Have we spoken to Scotland Yard?
- Of course. I even asked for a quote.
770
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:09,239
This is quite something.
771
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,459
Channel 4 News can tonight reveal
that allegations have been aired
772
00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:17,579
that a Metropolitan Police detective
773
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:20,860
was put under surveillance
by the News of the World journalist
774
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,980
and his personal details
were targeted.
775
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,860
The former Crimewatch presenter
and Detective Jacqui Haimes
776
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,960
has spoken out for the first time.
777
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,180
So, Jacqui, you were approached
by Operation Weeting.
778
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,320
What did they show you?
779
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,820
They showed me various sheets
of paper,
780
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:45,661
which I was told came from
Glenn Mulcaire's diaries and notes
781
00:42:45,761 --> 00:42:48,941
and sat there and read
782
00:42:49,041 --> 00:42:51,961
the extent to which
he had delved into my private life
783
00:42:53,001 --> 00:42:55,621
and it was quite a body blow.
784
00:42:55,721 --> 00:42:58,661
I want to know
who instigated the surveillance
785
00:42:58,761 --> 00:43:01,502
and the research that was done on us.
786
00:43:01,602 --> 00:43:04,302
I would like to know
how they got and who they got
787
00:43:04,402 --> 00:43:06,922
that personal information
from about us.
788
00:43:08,562 --> 00:43:13,022
I would like to know
what the purpose of it was from them.
789
00:43:13,122 --> 00:43:16,302
Do you think there was an attempt,
here, to interfere
790
00:43:16,402 --> 00:43:19,202
with your ex-husband's
criminal investigation,
791
00:43:20,322 --> 00:43:22,643
and if so, what,
where's the evidence for that?
792
00:43:24,203 --> 00:43:26,723
It's very difficult when you look
at the um, (CLEARS THROAT)
793
00:43:27,723 --> 00:43:31,003
the order in which things happened,
the chronology of this,
794
00:43:32,443 --> 00:43:35,783
not to at least want to shine a light
on it, and say, you know,
795
00:43:35,883 --> 00:43:39,063
how is it that the day after
that appeal went out on Crimewatch,
796
00:43:39,163 --> 00:43:41,103
that this started to happen,
797
00:43:41,203 --> 00:43:43,944
and it's very difficult
not to come to that conclusion
798
00:43:44,044 --> 00:43:46,424
that they were in somehow
complicit in all this,
799
00:43:46,524 --> 00:43:48,784
or somebody
within the organisation was.
800
00:43:48,884 --> 00:43:50,824
Complicit in what, exactly?
801
00:43:50,924 --> 00:43:55,644
In trying to discredit David,
or myself.
802
00:44:09,765 --> 00:44:11,765
(BUZZING)
803
00:44:16,005 --> 00:44:20,565
(SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING)
804
00:45:12,488 --> 00:45:14,488
Of course, they didn't print it.
805
00:45:18,248 --> 00:45:24,349
And so it finally begins.
806
00:45:24,449 --> 00:45:25,589
More revelations--
807
00:45:25,689 --> 00:45:27,389
The pressure on
the News of the World grows with--
808
00:45:27,489 --> 00:45:30,109
- Another day of dramatic development.
- Shocking story.
809
00:45:30,209 --> 00:45:31,269
REPORTER 3: It is alleged
810
00:45:31,369 --> 00:45:33,749
- that Glenn Mulcaire--
- Hacked into the mobile phone
811
00:45:33,849 --> 00:45:35,789
of the murdered schoolgirl
Milly Dowler.
812
00:45:35,889 --> 00:45:38,829
Well, this poor girl's dead
and they're trying to get stories.
813
00:45:38,929 --> 00:45:41,309
REPORTER 4: There is a new allegation
that the tabloid may have hacked
814
00:45:41,409 --> 00:45:44,510
into the phones of the relatives
of soldiers killed in Iraq.
815
00:45:44,610 --> 00:45:47,910
If these actions are proved
to have been verified,
816
00:45:48,010 --> 00:45:50,510
I'm appalled
and find it quite disgusting.
817
00:45:50,610 --> 00:45:52,990
Tonight, Chief Executive
Rebekah Brooks says,
818
00:45:53,090 --> 00:45:55,910
we're told, that she's shocked
and that she knew nothing about it.
819
00:45:56,010 --> 00:45:58,510
REPORTER 5:
Today is the anniversary of 7/7.
820
00:45:58,610 --> 00:46:00,670
REPORTER 6: Relatives of victims
of the London bombings
821
00:46:00,770 --> 00:46:03,230
may also have had
their phones hacked into.
822
00:46:03,330 --> 00:46:06,151
Somebody was listening to that.
It's a violation, isn't it?
823
00:46:06,251 --> 00:46:08,711
An extraordinary moment
in British journalism.
824
00:46:08,811 --> 00:46:10,751
REPORTER 7:
The News of the World is to close.
825
00:46:10,851 --> 00:46:12,791
REPORTER 8: What happened,
happened very, very quickly.
826
00:46:12,891 --> 00:46:14,831
REPORTER 9: It's like a bomb
has hit the place.
827
00:46:14,931 --> 00:46:17,111
MAN: Those decent people up there
have been thrown out of a job today.
828
00:46:17,211 --> 00:46:19,791
REPORTER 10: The sense that everyone
gets is that Rupert Murdoch
829
00:46:19,891 --> 00:46:21,671
is getting rid of
the News of the World
830
00:46:21,771 --> 00:46:24,711
in order to protect
taking over BSkyB.
831
00:46:24,811 --> 00:46:28,632
I'm interested in those who were
responsible being brought to justice.
832
00:46:28,732 --> 00:46:31,752
Scotland Yard confirmed today
that it had received documents
833
00:46:31,852 --> 00:46:33,432
suggesting a number of its officers
834
00:46:33,532 --> 00:46:36,792
were given inappropriate payments
by News International.
835
00:46:36,892 --> 00:46:40,232
Paying police for information
is a criminal offence.
836
00:46:40,332 --> 00:46:42,392
It's corrupt, it's bribery.
837
00:46:42,492 --> 00:46:44,792
REPORTER 11: David Cameron's
former head of communications
838
00:46:44,892 --> 00:46:47,513
is arrested over corruption
and phone hacking.
839
00:46:47,613 --> 00:46:50,993
The decision to hire him was mine
and I take full responsibility.
840
00:46:51,093 --> 00:46:53,233
There's an awful lot I'd like to say,
but I can't.
841
00:46:53,333 --> 00:46:55,833
REPORTER 12: The pressure
is mounting on Rebekah Brooks.
842
00:46:55,933 --> 00:46:59,913
Both her and James Murdoch
should be leaving their desks.
843
00:47:00,013 --> 00:47:01,953
REPORTER 13: The Prime Minister
has announced details
844
00:47:02,053 --> 00:47:04,993
of the independent public inquiry
led by Lord Justice Leveson.
845
00:47:05,093 --> 00:47:07,634
Who will have the power to summon
and question--
846
00:47:07,734 --> 00:47:11,474
Newspaper proprietors, journalists,
police and politicians.
847
00:47:11,574 --> 00:47:13,634
I recognise the vital importance
848
00:47:13,734 --> 00:47:17,114
of reaching a number of conclusions,
and I will strive to do so.
849
00:47:17,214 --> 00:47:20,354
Rebekah Brooks, who finally bowed
to pressure and resigned.
850
00:47:20,454 --> 00:47:23,554
REPORTER 14: For the past 10 days,
she's been at the heart of the storm.
851
00:47:23,654 --> 00:47:25,835
Now she has decided to step away.
852
00:47:25,935 --> 00:47:28,635
REPORTER 15: Assistant Commissioner
John Yates has also quit.
853
00:47:28,735 --> 00:47:31,915
It is with great regret
that I make this decision.
854
00:47:32,015 --> 00:47:34,315
The mighty Murdoch empire
has suffered
855
00:47:34,415 --> 00:47:36,315
its most humiliating blow yet,
856
00:47:36,415 --> 00:47:40,115
as it suddenly dropped its bid
to take control of BSkyB.
857
00:47:40,215 --> 00:47:43,235
REPORTER 16: Murdoch has abandoned
his bid for BSkyB
858
00:47:43,335 --> 00:47:45,315
But will he face wider consequences
859
00:47:45,415 --> 00:47:47,796
in relation
to the phone hacking scandal?
860
00:47:47,896 --> 00:47:50,776
What will come next
in this shocking saga?
861
00:47:58,856 --> 00:48:01,296
MAN: And I heard, as it were,
the noise of thunder,
862
00:48:03,496 --> 00:48:05,496
one of the four beasts saying,
863
00:48:06,537 --> 00:48:09,037
come and see.
864
00:48:09,137 --> 00:48:12,817
And I saw, and behold,
865
00:48:13,937 --> 00:48:15,937
a white horse.
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