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MAN: As a journalist, you are
consumed by two questions constantly:
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how to tell a story,
but perhaps more crucially,
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why to tell a story.
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Imagine a country.
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Nice weather.
Let's give it nice weather.
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Nice weather for England, anyway.
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Imagine the people in this country
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believe they are living
in a democracy.
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Believe in their own freedom.
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But they are being abused
by a power so everyday
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they don't know to look for it.
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A treacherous combination of press,
the police, and politicians,
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that hide in plain sight.
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Imagine a country
where that concealment was...
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Imagine a country where...
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where the news organisations...
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- Shit!
- (CAR HORN HONKS)
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Imagine it all deleted.
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(SIGHS) Florid nonsense.
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My name is Nick Davies.
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I am a journalist,
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and this is a story that ends
in seven major police investigations,
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nearly 40 convictions,
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and some of the most
powerful people in this country
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being brought to their knees.
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(GROANS) Too grand,
too grand, too grand.
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(CLEARS THROAT)
My name is Nick Davies.
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I'm a journalist.
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Good morning. I'll just check in.
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This all started with Stuart Kuttner.
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Hello.
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(GROANS) No.
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(CLICKS TONGUE)
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This is the most troubling story
I've ever written.
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A story about the abuse of power
and the concealment of truth.
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Hi. Nick Davies
for the Today programme.
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I'm late.
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British journalism is sloppy
and morally bankrupt.
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That is the claim of the journalist
Nick Davies, who's written a book
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that shows how often
newspapers use illegal methods
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for getting their stories.
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It's called Flat Earth News,
and Nick Davies joins us now.
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- Good morning.
- Hi.
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You say "sloppy"
because newspapers use press releases
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rather than getting their own stories
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and "morally bankrupt"
because of the illegality involved.
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Really, the root that binds together
all the different themes
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is that the logic of journalism
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has been overwhelmed by
the logic of commercialism.
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Journalists no longer have
the time or the resources
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to do their jobs properly.
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Instead, they're just
passive processors
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of unchecked, second-hand material.
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Okay, but you... You also... You go
much further in suggesting that
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- there has been criminality involved.
- Sure.
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And that's generally accepted
within the press.
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Okay. So, principally, that involves
hiring private investigators.
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They hire private investigators
to get your bank statements,
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your credit card statements,
your itemised phone bills,
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your tax records,
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even your health records
these creatures are getting.
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All of that is illegal.
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Okay. We're joined by John Mullin,
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who is the editor
of The Independent on Sunday,
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and Stuart Kuttner,
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who's managing editor
of News of the World.
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John Mullin, do you recognise this?
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Well, I ploughed my way
through the first half of the book,
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not the second half so far,
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and no one can deny
that life in journalism
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is much harder than maybe
it was 20, 30 years ago.
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But to say that journalism as a whole
is a passive processor of news?
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- I think that's erroneous.
- SARAH: Stuart Kuttner?
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Yes, I'll tell you what I think.
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I think, frankly,
listening to Nick Davies,
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I thought he was speaking
from a newsroom on another planet.
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- (CHUCKLES)
- It is totally unrecognisable to me.
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Many years in newspapers
in Fleet Street.
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Now, of course,
at the News of the World.
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But what did he say
that was so wrong?
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Well, he talks about, if you like,
shortcuts, PR interests,
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commercial interest.
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I have to tell you, none of
my News of the World journalists
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would recognise that at all.
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But what about the way
these people get the stories
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and access to personal information?
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Well, if it happens,
it... it shouldn't happen.
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It happened once
at the News of the World.
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The reporter was fired,
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he went to prison,
the editor resigned.
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And while Nick
is talking about all this,
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I notice he doesn't mention
The Guardian's own act of criminality
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when The Guardian forged
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the signature of
a cabinet minister...
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Okay, I-I-I don't want to
go into details of the story.
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I think the charge
that Nick Davies...
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KUTTNER: Sarah,
you may not want to go into detail,
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but Nick makes a broad-brush,
sweeping attack on our profession,
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which I happen to believe
is an honourable profession.
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(VOICES MINGLE, ECHO)
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- (PHONES RINGING)
- (INDISTINCT CHATTERING)
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MAN: Hello, Mr...
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(PHONES CONTINUE RINGING)
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You hear it?
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I wish I hadn't.
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(SIGHS)
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You're too kind.
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I did say, appearing on the Today
programme to attack journalism
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wasn't exactly
the most sensible idea.
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Listen, before I go home, I wanted
to talk to you about something.
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Good thing was, you weren't
representing The Guardian.
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You were talking about your book.
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My book.
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Although, Kuttner did have a good go
at trying to besmirch us through you.
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I want out.
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(SIGHS) Do you know anything
about baking competitions?
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No.
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I want to know how many people
cheat at baking competitions.
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A round number.
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Sounds like exactly the sort of thing
the Guardian should be investigating.
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I don't mean out altogether.
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I'd like to go to Brussels,
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investigate a whole new horizon,
something well paid.
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- Naturally.
- That will allow me to commute.
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The kids are old enough now
to be able to...
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I need you here.
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- (PHONES RINGING)
- (INDISTINCT CHATTERING)
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ALAN: Sadiq Khan. Bugged.
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Forty-year convention breached.
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And why? Keep the Americans happy.
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Needs a good journalist.
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Alan, I'm knackered.
Nobody likes me. I know.
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Oh, come on.
I like you... some of the time.
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And I'm sure there are
a few others who-who also...
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Please.
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Self-pity is not a redeeming quality.
We'll talk tomorrow.
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I'm freelance precisely so that
I don't need to talk to you tomorrow.
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You're freelance
with more or less a sole employer.
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I say you should talk to me tomorrow.
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Hmm?
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We've all been roasted
by Stuart bloody Kuttner.
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Bye.
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Let me explain. Alan is, um...
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Well, we grew up together.
In journalism, that is.
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- And he's always understood... Sorry.
- (PHONE VIBRATING)
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- Yep.
- MAN ON PHONE: Nick Davies?
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Who's this?
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My name is...
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- (BLEEP)
- Redacted, sorry.
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We'll call him Mr Apollo, because...
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Um, well, actually, because he's...
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It-It doesn't matter.
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How did you get this number?
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Listen, Kuttner made a mistake.
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Well, I made several.
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Chief amongst them
appearing on the Today programme.
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He said it happened once.
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It happened once.
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It happened once
at the News of the World.
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The reporter was fired,
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he went to prison,
the editor resigned.
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You're talking about phone hacking.
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Nick, your book
only scratched the surface.
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We have to meet face to face,
somewhere absolutely discreet.
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I think you'll like what I have.
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Where and when?
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In the beginning,
it was next to nothing.
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Two men were arrested
for hacking phones in 2006:
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a private investigator,
Glenn Mulcaire...
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And the royal editor of
the News of the World, Clive Goodman.
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The sentences they received
were short.
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The attention they got, limited.
But the crime was unusual.
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They had discovered they could access
other people's voicemail messages,
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and they spent months eavesdropping
on three of Prince William's staff
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at Clarence House.
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How? They didn't say.
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Why? For the discovery
of private information.
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It was the start of the next
six years of my life.
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(KNOCKING ON DOOR)
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To be clear, I've never
told anyone who Mr Apollo is.
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So some guesses have been made.
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Bad guess.
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(KNOCKING ON DOOR)
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No.
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(KNOCKING ON DOOR)
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No. I'm sorry. It's not you.
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- (KNOCKING ON DOOR)
- Okay. (CLEARS THROAT)
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Oh, come on.
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(KNOCKING ON DOOR)
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(SIGHS)
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Hi.
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- You coming in, or...?
- Sure.
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Wow, this is nice.
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(CHURCH BELLS RINGING IN DISTANCE)
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Nice choice of room.
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Just to check.
Is The Guardian paying?
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Because if so, I'd implore you
to stay away from that mini bar.
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Mulcaire, in the trial,
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- he said he'd hacked other...
- Five non-royals.
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I remember. Yes. Um, Elle Macpherson,
Sky Andrew, Max Clifford...
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He's a liar.
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Kuttner is a liar,
and one of the five is suing them.
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Which one?
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Well, that five is just
the tip of the iceberg.
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Hacking phones at the
News of the World has been endemic.
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Endemic?
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Mm.
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They pick up their leads
by intercepting voicemails,
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and only then do they get
photographs and quotes
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so as to lay a false trail.
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To pretend they found the story
through legitimate means.
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They've hacked thousands.
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Here. Dial a number.
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Someone who's likely to not answer.
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(DIAL TONE)
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ALAN: This is Alan Rusbridger.
Please leave...
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That's your phone-a-friend?
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The editor of The Guardian?
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- Press nine.
- (BEEPS)
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AUTOMATED VOICE:
Please enter your 4-digit PIN.
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Now enter one, two, three, four.
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That's the factory setting.
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(BEEPING)
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AUTOMATED VOICE:
Welcome to your voicemail.
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You have one new message.
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WOMAN: Alan, it's Mummy.
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I'm just calling about Jill Wyatt.
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She won best sponge again,
and I'm sure she cheated...
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- (BEEPS)
- I don't wanna hear this.
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- It's that easy?
- Mm.
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It doesn't even need
a Glenn Mulcaire most of the time.
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And you're saying
this was widespread?
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Glenn's main job was
that when it got tricky,
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unlike with your Alan,
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was to blag the
mobile phone companies
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into resetting
the celebrities' PIN codes
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to their original factory setting.
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One, two, three, four.
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- (PHONE VIBRATES)
- That's Alan.
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- Please.
- ALAN: Who is this?
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- Hi. Yeah, it's Nick.
- (ALAN GROANS)
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Listen, change the voicemail
settings on your phone.
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And how do I do that?
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Ask a young person.
I've got to go. Bye.
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(BEEPS)
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Who is suing?
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(INHALES DEEPLY)
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The person who is, is currently
trying to get Scotland Yard
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to hand over evidence
they collected and did nothing with
250
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when they arrested Mulcaire.
251
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It's evidence that could... (SIGHS)
252
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...burn, fuck and destroy everything.
Twice over.
253
00:11:45,913 --> 00:11:49,072
You won't tell me which one
of the five it is, will you?
254
00:11:51,712 --> 00:11:53,331
I will tell you
255
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that you're missing two names.
256
00:11:55,831 --> 00:11:58,170
Gordon Taylor and Simon Hughes.
257
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Will you go on the record?
258
00:12:01,030 --> 00:12:02,570
(SIGHS)
259
00:12:02,670 --> 00:12:04,409
If you dig, it comes from you.
260
00:12:04,509 --> 00:12:08,268
I-I can... I can confirm things,
but... (SIGHS)
261
00:12:12,148 --> 00:12:14,887
It's just another story
of journos behaving badly.
262
00:12:14,987 --> 00:12:16,487
You're not interested.
263
00:12:16,587 --> 00:12:18,586
It's interesting, but...
264
00:12:18,946 --> 00:12:19,926
you should talk to someone else.
265
00:12:20,026 --> 00:12:21,686
Do you realise I could lose my job
just by talking to you?
266
00:12:21,786 --> 00:12:23,285
Don't worry.
This conversation never happened.
267
00:12:23,385 --> 00:12:25,605
No, no, no.
That's not my point, Nick.
268
00:12:25,705 --> 00:12:28,344
You... Think.
Think who edited the paper.
269
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Think about where he sits now.
270
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You're talking about Andy Coulson.
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Stop him.
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Shit.
273
00:12:47,300 --> 00:12:48,960
AUTOMATED VOICE: Mind the gap.
274
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Stand clear of the doors, please.
275
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Andy Coulson,
a rapid ascent journalist.
276
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From a local reporter
to Showbiz at The Sun,
277
00:12:56,338 --> 00:12:59,398
he was made editor of
News of the World in 2003.
278
00:12:59,498 --> 00:13:03,237
Even after he resigned in 2007
over the original phone hacking case,
279
00:13:03,337 --> 00:13:04,357
it was seen as honourable,
280
00:13:04,457 --> 00:13:07,316
him carrying the can
for the one rogue reporter.
281
00:13:07,416 --> 00:13:09,616
Not me really, guv.
282
00:13:10,895 --> 00:13:12,895
But if he was... If he is...
283
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If this is endemic,
284
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he's David Cameron's
communications director.
285
00:13:18,214 --> 00:13:21,253
For him to be involved
in widespread criminality...
286
00:13:23,613 --> 00:13:25,612
No, no. Bad idea.
287
00:13:34,970 --> 00:13:36,970
(DOORBELL RINGS)
288
00:13:38,530 --> 00:13:39,509
I'm not late.
289
00:13:39,609 --> 00:13:41,549
WOMAN: It would be fine
if you were to be a bit late.
290
00:13:41,649 --> 00:13:42,789
You don't need to be so worried.
291
00:13:42,889 --> 00:13:43,869
Are they ready?
292
00:13:43,969 --> 00:13:45,968
- WOMAN: Are they ever ready?
- Kids?
293
00:13:46,728 --> 00:13:47,908
WOMAN: You okay?
294
00:13:48,008 --> 00:13:49,187
Kids?
295
00:13:49,287 --> 00:13:51,827
- BOY: Yes, coming.
- Ooh, you're anxious to go, then.
296
00:13:51,927 --> 00:13:53,707
Sorry. How are you, et cetera?
297
00:13:53,807 --> 00:13:55,946
I'm fine, et cetera.
Are you all right?
298
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Never better.
299
00:13:57,086 --> 00:13:58,106
Really?
300
00:13:58,206 --> 00:13:59,265
I heard you on the radio.
301
00:13:59,365 --> 00:14:01,865
- Hmm.
- That sort of performance help sales?
302
00:14:01,965 --> 00:14:03,964
- Oh, I would doubt it.
- Mm.
303
00:14:05,324 --> 00:14:08,423
- I'm, um... I am worried about...
- (BLEEP)
304
00:14:08,523 --> 00:14:11,103
I'm not going to reveal
my child's name.
305
00:14:11,203 --> 00:14:14,022
Let's call him... Beans.
306
00:14:14,122 --> 00:14:16,422
He comes home,
locks himself in his room.
307
00:14:16,522 --> 00:14:20,061
- I have tried to talk to him, but...
- He avoids all questions.
308
00:14:20,161 --> 00:14:22,641
So, do we bring the school in?
309
00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,819
Let's get the details,
make sure he wants the help.
310
00:14:27,919 --> 00:14:29,919
Oh, you sound like a journalist.
311
00:14:30,719 --> 00:14:32,718
Let me try.
312
00:14:35,118 --> 00:14:37,118
Let me try.
313
00:14:38,357 --> 00:14:40,357
Okay.
314
00:14:53,674 --> 00:14:54,774
NICK: Got a new recipe.
315
00:14:54,874 --> 00:14:57,413
- Okay, Dad.
- Stuffed tomato thing.
316
00:14:57,513 --> 00:14:58,573
Yeah, nice. Sounds good.
317
00:14:58,673 --> 00:15:00,333
I'll call you when it's ready.
It's Turkish.
318
00:15:00,433 --> 00:15:02,252
- GIRL: Yep.
- NICK: So...
319
00:15:02,352 --> 00:15:04,352
I met someone today.
320
00:15:05,272 --> 00:15:06,211
A source.
321
00:15:06,311 --> 00:15:09,611
He was pissed off
with what Kuttner said on the radio.
322
00:15:09,711 --> 00:15:10,691
Okay.
323
00:15:10,791 --> 00:15:14,050
Hacking was "endemic", he said,
at News of the World.
324
00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:15,969
And someone is now
suing Scotland Yard
325
00:15:16,069 --> 00:15:17,889
for information on what was hacked.
326
00:15:17,989 --> 00:15:22,408
Now, I know... I know it's one of
either Elle Macpherson, Simon Hughes,
327
00:15:22,508 --> 00:15:24,928
Gordon Taylor, Sky Andrew,
or Max Clifford.
328
00:15:25,028 --> 00:15:26,127
But I don't know which one.
329
00:15:26,227 --> 00:15:28,167
What do you think?
330
00:15:28,267 --> 00:15:29,927
Do I dig?
331
00:15:30,027 --> 00:15:32,846
Try to find out who it is?
If I find them, it might...
332
00:15:32,946 --> 00:15:34,086
We might get some evidence
333
00:15:34,186 --> 00:15:36,725
that proves foul play
was a bit more widespread.
334
00:15:36,825 --> 00:15:38,085
Imagine what it does to Andy Coulson.
335
00:15:38,185 --> 00:15:41,164
He's about to... He could soon have
keys to 10 Downing Street.
336
00:15:41,264 --> 00:15:43,124
Did Cameron even do
a fit-and-proper-person test on him?
337
00:15:43,224 --> 00:15:45,223
Did he even look into Coulson's past?
338
00:15:46,263 --> 00:15:51,082
It's a good angle, but another
"tabloids behaving badly" story?
339
00:15:51,182 --> 00:15:53,322
I said the same thing.
340
00:15:53,422 --> 00:15:56,081
And who wants to kick a bee's nest?
341
00:15:56,181 --> 00:15:58,201
Murdoch, you know?
342
00:15:58,301 --> 00:16:00,120
This source.
343
00:16:00,220 --> 00:16:02,560
Has he got under your skin?
344
00:16:02,660 --> 00:16:06,299
No. I just wanted to
talk it out with someone. You.
345
00:16:07,299 --> 00:16:11,598
Ah. Always grateful
to be your sounding board.
346
00:16:11,698 --> 00:16:13,698
Go home, Alan.
347
00:16:14,057 --> 00:16:15,437
Who says I'm in the office?
348
00:16:15,537 --> 00:16:17,857
NICK: We'll always
have Brussels. Bye.
349
00:16:22,016 --> 00:16:24,015
(FOOTBALL COMMENTARY)
350
00:16:31,454 --> 00:16:34,793
It's creepy when you do that.
Stare at me like that.
351
00:16:34,893 --> 00:16:36,953
How are you?
352
00:16:37,053 --> 00:16:38,912
Why are you asking?
353
00:16:39,012 --> 00:16:40,872
If there ever is anything
you need to discuss...
354
00:16:40,972 --> 00:16:42,971
Yes, Dad. I know.
355
00:16:44,531 --> 00:16:46,531
(COMMENTARY CONTINUES)
356
00:17:04,527 --> 00:17:07,226
I, um... I never much liked school.
357
00:17:07,326 --> 00:17:08,826
I'm not being bullied.
358
00:17:08,926 --> 00:17:10,626
I always saw school as a necessity...
359
00:17:10,726 --> 00:17:12,585
Why does everyone always
think I'm being bullied?
360
00:17:12,685 --> 00:17:14,685
...not a virtue. There was a guy...
361
00:17:15,765 --> 00:17:17,844
who-who-who used to hit us.
362
00:17:20,244 --> 00:17:21,743
Another kid?
363
00:17:21,843 --> 00:17:23,843
Actually, a teacher.
364
00:17:24,483 --> 00:17:26,302
He used to...
365
00:17:26,402 --> 00:17:27,622
God, he used to really scare me.
366
00:17:27,722 --> 00:17:29,722
I-I never used to do well.
367
00:17:30,042 --> 00:17:31,981
Um...
368
00:17:32,081 --> 00:17:33,981
Well, I never used to
do well with fear,
369
00:17:34,081 --> 00:17:36,180
but also the thing
I remember most clearly:
370
00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,280
rage.
371
00:17:42,799 --> 00:17:44,799
I heard you on the radio.
372
00:17:45,758 --> 00:17:47,758
You listen to the Today programme?
373
00:17:48,678 --> 00:17:50,997
Mum makes us listen to
or read everything you do.
374
00:17:52,277 --> 00:17:54,797
"You've an impressive dad,"
and she says it like,
375
00:17:55,796 --> 00:17:58,416
"He may be a total dick,
but he's impressive."
376
00:17:58,516 --> 00:18:00,555
(SCOFFS) All right.
377
00:18:04,075 --> 00:18:06,334
You know the story
of the dung beetle?
378
00:18:06,434 --> 00:18:08,134
God. Really, again?
379
00:18:08,234 --> 00:18:11,453
- If you want to fly free...
- First you have to eat a lot of shit.
380
00:18:11,553 --> 00:18:13,653
Sometimes you have to ignore bullies.
381
00:18:13,753 --> 00:18:15,932
- I'm not being bullied.
- Sometimes you have to puncture them.
382
00:18:16,032 --> 00:18:18,132
- I'm not, Dad,
- There's always a way to...
383
00:18:18,232 --> 00:18:20,011
There's always a chance...
When the wankers...
384
00:18:20,111 --> 00:18:21,851
when they suddenly seem vulnerable.
385
00:18:21,951 --> 00:18:24,090
When they are,
386
00:18:24,190 --> 00:18:27,850
you have to clamp your pincers
onto them as hard as possible.
387
00:18:27,950 --> 00:18:29,949
Do not let go.
388
00:18:35,548 --> 00:18:36,888
(COMMENTARY CONTINUES)
389
00:18:36,988 --> 00:18:37,968
Tomatoes in the oven.
390
00:18:38,068 --> 00:18:40,067
Ready in ten. They're Turkish.
391
00:18:41,347 --> 00:18:43,346
I love you very much.
392
00:18:49,025 --> 00:18:51,025
(WOMAN'S DISTORTED VOICE)
393
00:18:51,825 --> 00:18:53,824
You stupid child.
394
00:18:54,344 --> 00:18:57,184
You are such a disappointment.
395
00:19:04,102 --> 00:19:05,242
It won't surprise you to know
396
00:19:05,342 --> 00:19:07,981
we didn't get the rights
to use their masthead.
397
00:19:09,621 --> 00:19:11,621
Or this one.
398
00:19:17,699 --> 00:19:19,739
(PHONE DIALLING)
399
00:19:22,778 --> 00:19:24,998
- (PHONE RINGS)
- Hi, it's Nick Davies.
400
00:19:25,098 --> 00:19:27,517
You still have that contact
at Scotland Yard?
401
00:19:27,617 --> 00:19:29,037
MAN 1: No, sorry, mate.
402
00:19:29,137 --> 00:19:31,237
I really cannot be
getting involved with that one.
403
00:19:31,337 --> 00:19:32,276
You know how it is.
404
00:19:32,376 --> 00:19:35,476
NICK: But Andy Coulson will soon
be sitting in Downing Street.
405
00:19:35,576 --> 00:19:37,915
MAN 1: Yeah, and Murdoch's already
sitting on Downing Street.
406
00:19:38,015 --> 00:19:39,315
Yeah.
407
00:19:39,415 --> 00:19:40,355
Yes, I appreciate that.
408
00:19:40,455 --> 00:19:42,674
I understand.
If I could get some evidence of this.
409
00:19:42,774 --> 00:19:44,314
- MAN 1: No.
- MAN 2: No.
410
00:19:44,414 --> 00:19:46,793
- MAN 3: No.
- All right. Thanks. Bye.
411
00:19:46,893 --> 00:19:48,893
(PHONE RINGS)
412
00:19:52,132 --> 00:19:53,392
NICK: Oh, hi.
Thanks for calling back.
413
00:19:53,492 --> 00:19:55,871
Do you have the number for...
Name redacted.
414
00:19:55,971 --> 00:19:58,831
- See you later.
- Yeah.
415
00:19:58,931 --> 00:20:00,930
Okay, great. Zero...
416
00:20:02,130 --> 00:20:07,349
seven, seven, zero, zero,
nine, zero, zero, nine,
417
00:20:07,449 --> 00:20:10,148
five, four. Got that.
418
00:20:10,248 --> 00:20:11,628
Thank you.
419
00:20:11,728 --> 00:20:14,028
Hi. I'm wondering whether
I could speak to
420
00:20:14,128 --> 00:20:16,127
whoever represents Elle Macpherson.
421
00:20:18,767 --> 00:20:19,746
No, no, I'm not a fan.
422
00:20:19,846 --> 00:20:21,026
No, I'm wondering whether
423
00:20:21,126 --> 00:20:23,626
she's currently suing
the News of the World.
424
00:20:23,726 --> 00:20:25,705
Is that Max?
425
00:20:25,805 --> 00:20:27,705
Hi, it's Nick Davies.
426
00:20:27,805 --> 00:20:29,984
We met at The Orwell Prize.
427
00:20:30,084 --> 00:20:32,084
I'm actually after a bit of insight.
428
00:20:33,044 --> 00:20:35,043
Well, no. Just give me a chance.
429
00:20:46,601 --> 00:20:48,600
(SIGHS)
430
00:20:56,719 --> 00:20:58,498
Detective Buzz Aldrin?
431
00:20:58,598 --> 00:20:59,858
It's not his real name.
432
00:20:59,958 --> 00:21:00,938
My name is Nick Davies.
433
00:21:01,038 --> 00:21:02,178
I'm a Guardian journalist.
434
00:21:02,278 --> 00:21:03,556
I believe you were looking
into the Clive Goodman case?
435
00:21:03,557 --> 00:21:05,217
I'm very busy, Mr Davies.
436
00:21:05,317 --> 00:21:07,217
I've followed your work, Buzz.
I know how principled you are.
437
00:21:07,317 --> 00:21:10,336
I think you know that this...
that what is happening here
438
00:21:10,436 --> 00:21:12,735
is acutely in the public interest,
and if it's all dealt with
439
00:21:12,835 --> 00:21:14,135
in behind-stairs deals,
it'll help no one.
440
00:21:14,235 --> 00:21:15,175
I can't talk to journalists.
441
00:21:15,275 --> 00:21:17,015
You don't have to talk.
442
00:21:17,115 --> 00:21:19,414
All I need to know is which
of the five non-royal names
443
00:21:19,514 --> 00:21:21,574
in the Clive Goodman case
is now suing the paper.
444
00:21:21,674 --> 00:21:23,613
Cough.
445
00:21:23,713 --> 00:21:24,712
That's all I ask.
Cough when I hit the right name.
446
00:21:24,713 --> 00:21:25,813
You are very, very persistent.
447
00:21:25,913 --> 00:21:29,172
Because what I understand is that
those five names represent thousands,
448
00:21:29,272 --> 00:21:31,092
thousands of people who've had
449
00:21:31,192 --> 00:21:33,051
their privacy stolen
by this newspaper.
450
00:21:33,151 --> 00:21:35,211
Please.
451
00:21:35,311 --> 00:21:37,790
Elle Macpherson, Simon Hughes,
452
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:40,730
Gordon Taylor...
453
00:21:40,830 --> 00:21:43,149
- (BUZZ COUGHS)
- Thank you.
454
00:21:44,749 --> 00:21:46,748
You did the right thing.
455
00:21:54,947 --> 00:21:56,946
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
456
00:22:02,825 --> 00:22:04,725
Sorry, excuse me. Charlotte Harris!
457
00:22:04,825 --> 00:22:06,004
Nick Davies at The Guardian.
458
00:22:06,104 --> 00:22:07,404
I believe you represent
Gordon Taylor.
459
00:22:07,504 --> 00:22:08,564
I'm due in court.
460
00:22:08,664 --> 00:22:11,723
I understand that he's suing News
of the World for breach of privacy.
461
00:22:11,823 --> 00:22:13,563
Mr Davies, whether or not
Mr Taylor is my client,
462
00:22:13,663 --> 00:22:15,802
I have no interest
in talking to any press. Sorry.
463
00:22:15,902 --> 00:22:20,881
These so-called journalists bring
our whole industry into disrepute.
464
00:22:20,981 --> 00:22:22,981
You're very persistent.
465
00:22:23,541 --> 00:22:27,840
Well, can you... can you tell me then
about John Hewison?
466
00:22:27,940 --> 00:22:30,079
He's also a claimant, is he not?
467
00:22:30,179 --> 00:22:32,519
And the interesting thing is,
if you ask the public
468
00:22:32,619 --> 00:22:34,359
who those two are,
they might know Taylor.
469
00:22:34,459 --> 00:22:37,078
They wouldn't know Hewison
because he's a lawyer.
470
00:22:37,178 --> 00:22:38,278
Like you.
471
00:22:38,378 --> 00:22:40,437
He's entrusted with
the secrets of others,
472
00:22:40,537 --> 00:22:42,797
in the secrets of sports stars
in his case...
473
00:22:42,897 --> 00:22:46,396
which makes him interesting
to the News of the World.
474
00:22:46,496 --> 00:22:48,236
This is a news operation,
475
00:22:48,336 --> 00:22:50,915
which is trying to undermine
the confidentiality
476
00:22:51,015 --> 00:22:53,395
that crucially underlies
your profession.
477
00:22:53,495 --> 00:22:55,594
If you want to fight it,
478
00:22:55,694 --> 00:22:58,394
well, you're a tiger,
but they're lions.
479
00:22:58,494 --> 00:23:00,493
The Guardian's a lion, too.
480
00:23:00,973 --> 00:23:03,792
Well, what if I'm neither
a lion nor a tiger?
481
00:23:03,892 --> 00:23:06,092
What if I am a walrus?
482
00:23:07,092 --> 00:23:09,091
Walruses can be fierce.
483
00:23:09,571 --> 00:23:10,951
And what if you're a...
484
00:23:11,051 --> 00:23:12,471
See, I'm trying to think
of an annoying animal.
485
00:23:12,571 --> 00:23:14,550
- Has Mr Taylor settled?
- (LAUGHS)
486
00:23:14,650 --> 00:23:15,710
What evidence do you have?
487
00:23:15,810 --> 00:23:17,150
Are there other claimants?
488
00:23:17,250 --> 00:23:20,229
I'm sure you must... you must be
looking to engage more clients.
489
00:23:20,329 --> 00:23:23,228
Privacy cases like this
can sometimes... (STUTTERS)
490
00:23:23,328 --> 00:23:24,468
What did Max Mosley get?
491
00:23:24,568 --> 00:23:27,348
Sixty thousand pounds, and costs.
Line enough up,
492
00:23:27,448 --> 00:23:30,107
you could have a class-action suit
worth a lot of money.
493
00:23:30,207 --> 00:23:33,606
You were doing well, reasonably well,
until you brought money into it.
494
00:23:34,886 --> 00:23:37,146
I can't talk to you
about specific cases,
495
00:23:37,246 --> 00:23:39,245
but I can tell you...
496
00:23:39,605 --> 00:23:42,404
I can tell you that there is
so much more to come.
497
00:23:45,764 --> 00:23:47,763
(PHONE BEEPS)
498
00:23:50,043 --> 00:23:52,042
(PHONE VIBRATING)
499
00:23:53,722 --> 00:23:56,701
- Yep.
- MR APOLLO: You've got the name.
500
00:23:56,801 --> 00:24:00,781
Mr Apollo, you're back.
Are you watching me?
501
00:24:00,881 --> 00:24:03,720
MR APOLLO: I take it you're
still interested in this case, then?
502
00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:11,498
NICK: The deer is in the fireplace.
The lion is alight.
503
00:24:11,598 --> 00:24:13,598
MR APOLLO: What the fuck
are you doing?
504
00:24:13,958 --> 00:24:15,777
NICK: Sorry, I make...
I have a tendency to make jokes.
505
00:24:15,877 --> 00:24:17,917
I was trying to trying
to be a Russian spy.
506
00:24:19,677 --> 00:24:20,936
MR APOLLO: We could be spotted
at any moment.
507
00:24:21,036 --> 00:24:23,316
- Do you know the risks?
- NICK: I do. Sorry.
508
00:24:25,116 --> 00:24:27,115
MR APOLLO:
So you found the lawyer.
509
00:24:27,515 --> 00:24:28,535
Is this some kind of a test?
510
00:24:28,635 --> 00:24:30,654
Do I get a prize at the end of it?
511
00:24:30,754 --> 00:24:32,134
Do you know how much
they're settling for?
512
00:24:32,234 --> 00:24:33,974
No.
513
00:24:34,074 --> 00:24:38,853
£400,000 in damages,
another £300,000 in legal expenses,
514
00:24:38,953 --> 00:24:42,052
and their associates
are getting £140,000 in damages,
515
00:24:42,152 --> 00:24:43,612
plus their legal.
516
00:24:43,712 --> 00:24:47,131
The whole package comes in
at just over a million pounds.
517
00:24:47,231 --> 00:24:48,171
Now that's a lot,
518
00:24:48,271 --> 00:24:50,690
even for News International
to stomach.
519
00:24:50,790 --> 00:24:52,770
But,
520
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:56,929
Max Mosley was... They accused him
of being a Nazi at an orgy.
521
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:59,808
- All he got was...
-£60,000, yes.
522
00:24:59,908 --> 00:25:01,908
Now you're getting it.
523
00:25:03,788 --> 00:25:04,727
NICK: Look, I need you.
524
00:25:04,827 --> 00:25:07,407
I need paperwork
or-or audio recording,
525
00:25:07,507 --> 00:25:09,086
some sort of hard evidence,
526
00:25:09,186 --> 00:25:10,406
I don't even have to publish it.
527
00:25:10,506 --> 00:25:12,486
I just need to be able
to show The Guardian.
528
00:25:12,586 --> 00:25:14,965
The preliminary hearings, in 2007,
they're public record.
529
00:25:15,065 --> 00:25:17,065
That's not enough.
530
00:25:21,584 --> 00:25:23,583
MR APOLLO: All right.
531
00:25:26,783 --> 00:25:27,803
NICK: What is it?
532
00:25:27,903 --> 00:25:28,962
MR APOLLO: You'll work it out.
533
00:25:29,062 --> 00:25:30,162
- Can I use it?
- Nope.
534
00:25:30,262 --> 00:25:32,042
I need to be able to use it.
535
00:25:32,142 --> 00:25:33,561
Summarise it, yes.
536
00:25:33,661 --> 00:25:35,161
Show it to your editor, yes.
537
00:25:35,261 --> 00:25:37,920
Quote from it, no.
538
00:25:38,020 --> 00:25:40,020
Can I have your number?
539
00:25:40,740 --> 00:25:42,739
Be careful, Nick.
540
00:25:43,819 --> 00:25:45,819
This could get nasty.
541
00:25:54,617 --> 00:25:56,617
(PHONE RINGING)
542
00:26:01,656 --> 00:26:04,355
ALAN: I have a piece on MPs expenses
I want you to have a look at.
543
00:26:04,455 --> 00:26:06,155
NICK: Okay.
ALAN: Do you want some gingerbread?
544
00:26:06,255 --> 00:26:07,794
My mother made it.
It's not very good.
545
00:26:07,894 --> 00:26:09,754
NICK: I have evidence.
546
00:26:09,854 --> 00:26:11,433
ALAN: How long
did that take you to get?
547
00:26:11,533 --> 00:26:13,653
NICK: Maybe two months,
ALAN: And you've never mentioned it?
548
00:26:15,653 --> 00:26:17,272
They're paying out millions
to cover this up.
549
00:26:17,372 --> 00:26:19,372
This is a story.
550
00:26:19,972 --> 00:26:22,471
Nick, newspapers
reporting on newspapers...
551
00:26:22,571 --> 00:26:25,910
But the editor of that newspaper
is about to enter government.
552
00:26:26,010 --> 00:26:29,790
If Andy Coulson was complicit
in hacking phones as an editor,
553
00:26:29,890 --> 00:26:32,449
imagine what he might do
to enemies of the government.
554
00:26:33,729 --> 00:26:35,668
ALAN: Show me what you have.
555
00:26:35,768 --> 00:26:37,768
NICK: Okay, so,
556
00:26:38,448 --> 00:26:39,748
printout of an e-mail.
557
00:26:39,848 --> 00:26:44,787
ross.hindley@news-of-the-world
to shadownmen@yahoo.co.uk
558
00:26:44,887 --> 00:26:45,906
It's Glenn Mulcaire's e-mail.
559
00:26:46,006 --> 00:26:47,346
His e-mail was shadowmen?
560
00:26:47,446 --> 00:26:49,526
Hmm, it says,
"transcript for Neville."
561
00:26:50,725 --> 00:26:52,545
"Wednesday, 29th of June, 2005."
562
00:26:52,645 --> 00:26:53,585
I can read.
563
00:26:53,685 --> 00:26:55,624
And Neville is...
564
00:26:55,724 --> 00:26:58,264
Neville Thurlbeck,
Chief reporter at News of the World.
565
00:26:58,364 --> 00:27:01,583
There are transcripts
of 35 voicemail messages,
566
00:27:01,683 --> 00:27:05,062
which had been left on the phones
of Gordon Taylor and a colleague.
567
00:27:05,162 --> 00:27:07,142
- It wasn't just Clive Goodman.
- (RUSTLING)
568
00:27:07,242 --> 00:27:09,242
And then, there's this.
569
00:27:09,801 --> 00:27:13,901
Greg Miskiw, assistant editor
approving a payment of £7000,
570
00:27:14,001 --> 00:27:17,020
to Mulcaire for a story
on Gordon Taylor.
571
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:20,419
And the police have access
to all of this and more.
572
00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:21,579
Can we use these?
573
00:27:21,679 --> 00:27:23,539
No.
574
00:27:23,639 --> 00:27:26,318
Can we get your Mr Apollo
to speak on the record?
575
00:27:27,998 --> 00:27:29,097
How long have we known each other?
576
00:27:29,197 --> 00:27:30,817
I have no idea.
577
00:27:30,917 --> 00:27:32,537
I had no interest
in trying to work that out.
578
00:27:32,637 --> 00:27:33,656
It'll make me feel old.
579
00:27:33,756 --> 00:27:37,056
Nearly thirty years.
This is it, Alan.
580
00:27:37,156 --> 00:27:38,775
There is an industry
making huge profit
581
00:27:38,875 --> 00:27:40,295
from invading people's private lives,
582
00:27:40,395 --> 00:27:42,215
and Rupert Murdoch's bullying
tabloids
583
00:27:42,315 --> 00:27:44,714
have explicitly encouraged it
and are buying it.
584
00:27:50,033 --> 00:27:52,033
This matters.
585
00:27:57,272 --> 00:27:59,271
Tin hats on.
586
00:28:00,591 --> 00:28:02,590
Good. Okay.
587
00:28:05,310 --> 00:28:08,409
I'll-I'll let you know
when I've got something.
588
00:28:08,509 --> 00:28:10,509
Thanks, Alan.
589
00:28:11,349 --> 00:28:13,368
You may think
you lead a private life,
590
00:28:13,468 --> 00:28:15,328
but The Guardian
has uncovered evidence
591
00:28:15,428 --> 00:28:17,207
to suggest otherwise.
592
00:28:17,307 --> 00:28:21,966
This strange story began in 2006
with the arrest of two men,
593
00:28:22,066 --> 00:28:24,406
The News of the World,
Royal Editor, Clive Goodman,
594
00:28:24,506 --> 00:28:27,125
and private investigator,
Glenn Mulcaire.
595
00:28:27,225 --> 00:28:29,605
The men pled guilty
to phone hacking charges,
596
00:28:29,705 --> 00:28:31,284
and served prison sentences.
597
00:28:31,384 --> 00:28:32,884
Following an investigation,
598
00:28:32,984 --> 00:28:37,643
the paper told the world that hacking
was the work of one rogue reporter.
599
00:28:37,743 --> 00:28:40,043
The story should have ended there.
600
00:28:40,143 --> 00:28:41,442
But it didn't.
601
00:28:41,542 --> 00:28:43,542
(SIGHS)
602
00:28:55,180 --> 00:28:56,178
RUPERT MURDOCH:
From the beginning on,
603
00:28:56,179 --> 00:28:58,699
newspapers have prospered
for one reason,
604
00:28:59,779 --> 00:29:01,958
giving readers the news they want.
605
00:29:02,058 --> 00:29:03,878
Shit.
606
00:29:03,978 --> 00:29:08,717
Shit! Shit! Shit! Shit! Shit!
Shit! Shit! Shit! Shit! Shit!
607
00:29:08,817 --> 00:29:10,816
(CLEARS THROAT)
608
00:29:12,256 --> 00:29:13,556
Keep it simple.
609
00:29:13,656 --> 00:29:15,635
Rupert Murdoch's
News Group Newspapers
610
00:29:15,735 --> 00:29:18,755
had paid out more than £1,000,000
to settle legal cases
611
00:29:18,855 --> 00:29:20,314
that threatened to reveal evidence
612
00:29:20,414 --> 00:29:22,154
of his journalists'
repeated involvement
613
00:29:22,254 --> 00:29:24,513
in the use of criminal methods
to get stories.
614
00:29:24,613 --> 00:29:27,913
ALAN: Payments secured secrecy
over out-of-court settlements
615
00:29:28,013 --> 00:29:30,512
in three cases that threatened
to expose evidence
616
00:29:30,612 --> 00:29:33,752
of Murdoch journalists
using private investigators
617
00:29:33,852 --> 00:29:37,031
to illegally hack into
the mobile phone messages
618
00:29:37,131 --> 00:29:38,990
of numerous public figures.
619
00:29:39,090 --> 00:29:42,430
Cabinet ministers.
MPs, actors, and sports stars...
620
00:29:42,530 --> 00:29:44,589
were all targets
of private investigators.
621
00:29:44,689 --> 00:29:46,589
Are you sure we can safely
list all those groups?
622
00:29:46,689 --> 00:29:48,948
We already have evidence of actors,
Elle Macpherson,
623
00:29:49,048 --> 00:29:50,948
- sport stars, Sky Andrew...
- MPs then?
624
00:29:51,048 --> 00:29:52,508
I have an invoice
625
00:29:52,608 --> 00:29:54,667
recording a payment
to a private investigator
626
00:29:54,767 --> 00:29:56,427
showing John Prescott
had been targeted,
627
00:29:56,527 --> 00:29:57,467
it's likely hacking.
628
00:29:57,567 --> 00:29:58,906
This article has no named sources.
629
00:29:59,006 --> 00:30:00,346
There's no evidence on the record.
630
00:30:00,446 --> 00:30:02,426
Alan thinks we have enough,
I do, too.
631
00:30:02,526 --> 00:30:03,945
And we haven't got right of reply.
632
00:30:04,045 --> 00:30:05,585
It's a declaration of bloody war.
633
00:30:05,685 --> 00:30:07,625
Murdoch and Brooks,
they have nuclear weapons.
634
00:30:07,725 --> 00:30:08,704
Right now they do.
635
00:30:08,804 --> 00:30:10,664
But we can neuter
their nuclear weapons with this.
636
00:30:10,764 --> 00:30:12,703
If we do, Fleet Street
will fall in behind us,
637
00:30:12,803 --> 00:30:13,783
the police soon after.
638
00:30:13,883 --> 00:30:16,423
And they have... when they
find the information
639
00:30:16,523 --> 00:30:17,641
- they already have.
- Information they've lost?
640
00:30:17,642 --> 00:30:18,822
Information they don't know
they have.
641
00:30:18,922 --> 00:30:21,302
This is The Met we're talking about.
642
00:30:21,402 --> 00:30:24,101
Look, once we publish,
they'll be forced to act.
643
00:30:24,201 --> 00:30:26,201
Can we name Coulson?
644
00:30:26,721 --> 00:30:28,380
Now you're worried
I haven't gone far enough.
645
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,300
No, it makes it more
in the public interest
646
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,340
if we can name him.
647
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,259
I did ring conservative HQ
right to reply, Gill.
648
00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:36,139
I asked about
the Gordon Taylor settlement.
649
00:30:36,239 --> 00:30:38,258
His office replied,
it didn't ring any bells.
650
00:30:38,358 --> 00:30:40,498
We've nothing
that directly links him.
651
00:30:40,598 --> 00:30:41,657
I agree.
652
00:30:41,757 --> 00:30:44,357
But we can say,
653
00:30:45,397 --> 00:30:47,776
that he was the editor in place
when journalists
654
00:30:47,876 --> 00:30:49,856
for whom he was responsible,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
655
00:30:49,956 --> 00:30:51,935
That's good.
656
00:30:52,035 --> 00:30:54,035
That's good.
657
00:30:56,514 --> 00:30:58,514
Yes?
658
00:30:58,874 --> 00:31:00,873
I'm uneasy, but if you're sure...
659
00:31:04,793 --> 00:31:06,792
I am.
660
00:31:11,231 --> 00:31:13,231
RUFUS: It reads well.
661
00:31:18,910 --> 00:31:20,909
Okay.
662
00:31:27,428 --> 00:31:28,688
At half past five in the afternoon
663
00:31:28,788 --> 00:31:30,967
on Wednesday, 8th of July, 2009,
664
00:31:31,067 --> 00:31:33,527
we posted my news story
on The Guardian website.
665
00:31:33,627 --> 00:31:36,766
As it ran, The Guardian news desk
asked a reporter, Caroline Davies,
666
00:31:36,866 --> 00:31:39,405
to call John Prescott,
ex-Deputy Prime Minister,
667
00:31:39,505 --> 00:31:40,605
to get a quote.
668
00:31:40,705 --> 00:31:42,765
I told him the gist of the story,
669
00:31:42,865 --> 00:31:45,164
and he said, "Fookin' 'ell!"
670
00:31:45,264 --> 00:31:46,604
You'd have thought the police
671
00:31:46,704 --> 00:31:48,764
in the committing of
a criminal offence,
672
00:31:48,864 --> 00:31:50,283
and clearly it is, against anyone,
673
00:31:50,383 --> 00:31:52,763
and particularly you'd have thought,
a cabinet member,
674
00:31:52,863 --> 00:31:54,362
they would have come
and told me about it.
675
00:31:54,462 --> 00:31:56,242
I would have asked them,
"What are you going to do about it?"
676
00:31:56,342 --> 00:31:58,482
Prescott roared.
677
00:31:58,582 --> 00:32:00,581
But the house fell silent.
678
00:32:02,021 --> 00:32:04,020
Anyone?
679
00:32:05,740 --> 00:32:07,740
Anyone?
680
00:32:11,259 --> 00:32:12,799
And Fleet Street,
681
00:32:12,899 --> 00:32:14,078
well...
682
00:32:14,178 --> 00:32:16,598
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
683
00:32:16,698 --> 00:32:20,637
Fleet Street essentially
did their best to ignore the story.
684
00:32:20,737 --> 00:32:23,876
Ask any journalist
what a great story depends on.
685
00:32:23,976 --> 00:32:25,976
They'll say the same thing.
686
00:32:26,376 --> 00:32:27,795
A new angle,
687
00:32:27,895 --> 00:32:30,195
one at least journalists
can get behind.
688
00:32:30,295 --> 00:32:31,915
We are reliant on our own profession
689
00:32:32,015 --> 00:32:34,474
to follow up on stories
so they have impact.
690
00:32:34,574 --> 00:32:37,673
To make a story newsworthy
requires multiple news outlets.
691
00:32:37,773 --> 00:32:39,393
But on this one,
692
00:32:39,493 --> 00:32:41,513
crickets.
693
00:32:41,613 --> 00:32:43,712
My company couldn't have settled
the legal action
694
00:32:43,812 --> 00:32:44,792
like The Guardian claims.
695
00:32:44,892 --> 00:32:47,151
If they had done,
I'd have known about it.
696
00:32:47,251 --> 00:32:49,311
I tried to get this out
as wide as possible.
697
00:32:49,411 --> 00:32:51,391
I talked on radio stations, TV shows.
698
00:32:51,491 --> 00:32:54,350
I took constant calls from agents of
public figures asking,
699
00:32:54,450 --> 00:32:55,630
"Am I on that list?"
700
00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:56,949
I slept about four hours.
701
00:32:57,049 --> 00:33:00,709
And then at five in the afternoon,
I was surprised to hear that
702
00:33:00,809 --> 00:33:04,188
John Yates, Assistant Commissioner
of Scotland Yard,
703
00:33:04,288 --> 00:33:06,747
was preparing to make a statement.
704
00:33:06,847 --> 00:33:08,107
Good afternoon.
705
00:33:08,207 --> 00:33:10,027
I was not involved
in the original case
706
00:33:10,127 --> 00:33:13,626
and clearly come at this
with an independent mind.
707
00:33:13,726 --> 00:33:15,066
In my opinion, what I've seen
708
00:33:15,166 --> 00:33:19,245
is a most careful investigation
by very experienced detectives.
709
00:33:20,245 --> 00:33:22,784
He proceeded
to gently demolish our work.
710
00:33:22,884 --> 00:33:25,264
We'd suggested there were
thousands of victims.
711
00:33:25,364 --> 00:33:28,703
The potential targets
may have run into hundreds of people.
712
00:33:28,803 --> 00:33:31,662
But our inquiry showed
that they only used the tactic
713
00:33:31,762 --> 00:33:34,502
against a far smaller
number of individuals.
714
00:33:34,602 --> 00:33:36,821
And since no additional evidence
has come to light,
715
00:33:36,921 --> 00:33:39,041
I can see no reason
to reopen the inquiry.
716
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,660
Thank you. That's all for today.
717
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,640
REPORTER: Does that mean
The Guardian fabricated the story?
718
00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:49,698
...may have run into
hundreds of people.
719
00:33:49,798 --> 00:33:52,578
But our inquiry showed
that they only used the tactic
720
00:33:52,678 --> 00:33:54,897
against a far smaller
number of individuals.
721
00:33:54,997 --> 00:33:57,337
And since no additional evidence
has come to light,
722
00:33:57,437 --> 00:33:59,636
I can see no reason
to reopen the inquiry.
723
00:34:00,676 --> 00:34:02,856
FEMALE REPORTER: That was
Assistant Commissioner John Yates,
724
00:34:02,956 --> 00:34:04,375
speaking in response to...
725
00:34:04,475 --> 00:34:06,475
(INDISTINCT CHATTERING)
726
00:34:08,475 --> 00:34:10,494
NICK: What is it?
727
00:34:10,594 --> 00:34:12,214
ALAN: The police haven't backed us,
728
00:34:12,314 --> 00:34:15,693
and Keir Starmer's
conducting a review.
729
00:34:15,793 --> 00:34:17,493
He was Director of
Public Prosecutions then.
730
00:34:17,593 --> 00:34:20,252
But he doesn't consider
there was anything inappropriate
731
00:34:20,352 --> 00:34:22,532
in the prosecutions
undertaken in this case.
732
00:34:22,632 --> 00:34:25,331
We are being squashed.
733
00:34:25,431 --> 00:34:27,131
We need to speak to your Mr Apollo.
734
00:34:27,231 --> 00:34:28,410
We need to get him on the record.
735
00:34:28,510 --> 00:34:30,490
He...
736
00:34:30,590 --> 00:34:32,490
he can contact me,
I can't contact him.
737
00:34:32,590 --> 00:34:34,589
Nick,
738
00:34:35,749 --> 00:34:39,408
our colleagues upstairs
are gravely concerned.
739
00:34:39,508 --> 00:34:41,008
Is it possible you were set up?
740
00:34:41,108 --> 00:34:42,607
No, this is right. I've...
741
00:34:42,707 --> 00:34:46,087
We've used no named sources,
no quotes from documents,
742
00:34:46,187 --> 00:34:48,186
we should never have published.
743
00:34:49,066 --> 00:34:52,525
And Murdoch has set his attack dogs
on us in the Commons,
744
00:34:52,625 --> 00:34:55,285
they're briefing
that we can't back up our story.
745
00:34:55,385 --> 00:34:58,464
And now the CMS Select Committee
want to see us urgently.
746
00:34:59,784 --> 00:35:01,923
That doesn't sound great.
747
00:35:02,023 --> 00:35:03,603
They want to barbecue you, Nick,
748
00:35:03,703 --> 00:35:05,863
and John Yates
has given them permission.
749
00:35:08,502 --> 00:35:10,502
I'm sorry. I...
750
00:35:11,142 --> 00:35:13,341
I've read the runes wrong here.
751
00:35:15,181 --> 00:35:16,880
The Guardian
are putting together a statement.
752
00:35:16,980 --> 00:35:18,560
What kind of statement?
753
00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:20,660
I'll know when I see it.
754
00:35:21,459 --> 00:35:23,459
I feel like
I'm having a heart attack.
755
00:35:25,819 --> 00:35:27,818
Why is everybody doing this?
756
00:35:30,618 --> 00:35:32,617
(SIGHS)
757
00:35:52,053 --> 00:35:54,033
My mother was a strong character,
758
00:35:54,133 --> 00:35:57,392
intelligent, forceful, imaginative,
759
00:35:57,492 --> 00:36:01,511
trapped, as she believed,
in domestic drudgery. She had...
760
00:36:01,611 --> 00:36:03,611
She had a furious temper.
761
00:36:04,011 --> 00:36:07,390
This wasn't the 1950s toxic ideal of
"Spare the rod and spoil the child."
762
00:36:07,490 --> 00:36:09,070
This was mad beatings,
763
00:36:09,170 --> 00:36:12,469
when she came after us
with a black-eyed fury
764
00:36:12,569 --> 00:36:15,388
armed with whatever weapon
she had to hand,
765
00:36:15,488 --> 00:36:18,448
a dog lead, a slipper, a riding crop,
a rope.
766
00:36:20,967 --> 00:36:22,967
Are you ready to say you're sorry?
767
00:36:25,006 --> 00:36:27,006
No.
768
00:36:30,285 --> 00:36:31,465
(DOOR SLAMS)
769
00:36:31,565 --> 00:36:34,744
I had been working as a journalist
for a couple of decades,
770
00:36:34,844 --> 00:36:38,543
thinking I was interested in
criminal justice and social problems
771
00:36:38,643 --> 00:36:41,143
when I saw that I was
being drawn to stories,
772
00:36:41,243 --> 00:36:43,242
again and again with the same theme.
773
00:36:44,922 --> 00:36:46,622
A deep-seated urge to hit back...
774
00:36:46,722 --> 00:36:48,101
(CHILDREN SHOUTING)
775
00:36:48,201 --> 00:36:50,581
- ...at anybody at all...
- MAN: Mr Davies.
776
00:36:50,681 --> 00:36:54,020
- ...who takes power and abuses it.
- Stupid child!
777
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,120
- (SCREAMS)
- (SCHOOL BELL RINGS)
778
00:37:02,758 --> 00:37:04,758
(PHONE VIBRATES)
779
00:37:19,555 --> 00:37:21,555
(SIGHS)
780
00:37:40,111 --> 00:37:42,250
Yeah, so I tried hitting him back.
781
00:37:42,350 --> 00:37:44,350
Why?
782
00:37:44,910 --> 00:37:46,909
Seething rage.
783
00:37:47,229 --> 00:37:49,229
I thought he looked vulnerable.
784
00:37:50,029 --> 00:37:52,028
Oh.
785
00:37:53,148 --> 00:37:54,568
It didn't work.
786
00:37:54,668 --> 00:37:56,667
No.
787
00:37:57,827 --> 00:37:59,007
You look terrible.
788
00:37:59,107 --> 00:38:01,106
Thank you.
789
00:38:02,226 --> 00:38:03,286
What happened to you?
790
00:38:03,386 --> 00:38:05,385
Are you asking me or him?
791
00:38:07,345 --> 00:38:10,764
Okay, so I need to take you
to your mum's tonight.
792
00:38:10,864 --> 00:38:13,704
Um... She says she's cool with it
if you are.
793
00:38:14,024 --> 00:38:16,023
Yeah, sure, I don't mind.
794
00:38:25,101 --> 00:38:27,961
REPORTER: It's been a day of
statement and counter statement
795
00:38:28,061 --> 00:38:29,600
in the phone hacking affair
796
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:32,320
with News International
angrily refuting
797
00:38:32,420 --> 00:38:34,919
all the allegations made by
The Guardian.
798
00:38:35,019 --> 00:38:36,639
With the editor and the reporter
799
00:38:36,739 --> 00:38:39,198
due to appear
at the Media Select Committee,
800
00:38:39,298 --> 00:38:42,398
certain publications
are claiming a leftist agenda
801
00:38:42,498 --> 00:38:45,077
against the News of the World
by The Guardian.
802
00:38:45,177 --> 00:38:48,636
And calling for legal action
to be taken against the organisation
803
00:38:48,736 --> 00:38:50,036
if they can't back up
804
00:38:50,136 --> 00:38:52,816
spurious claims
made against Murdoch's paper.
805
00:38:59,974 --> 00:39:01,974
- Hi.
- SHERIDAN: Hello.
806
00:39:04,973 --> 00:39:07,073
- See you, kids.
- SHERIDAN: Hi, kids.
807
00:39:07,173 --> 00:39:09,472
- Oh, hang on.
- I'm fine, Mum. I'm fine.
808
00:39:09,572 --> 00:39:10,912
It's my fault.
809
00:39:11,012 --> 00:39:13,011
I'm sorry. Bad advice.
810
00:39:13,971 --> 00:39:15,551
Coffee?
811
00:39:15,651 --> 00:39:18,470
I'll... Thanks for this.
I'll see you Monday.
812
00:39:18,570 --> 00:39:20,430
- I'm sorry.
- Nick.
813
00:39:20,530 --> 00:39:22,389
- Yeah?
- Have you eaten?
814
00:39:22,489 --> 00:39:23,509
When?
815
00:39:23,609 --> 00:39:24,949
In the last day.
816
00:39:25,049 --> 00:39:28,748
I'm just a bit tired. I'm not...
I'm not really at my best.
817
00:39:28,848 --> 00:39:29,908
I need to think.
818
00:39:30,008 --> 00:39:33,227
And the...
819
00:39:33,327 --> 00:39:35,427
the House of Commons
Select Committee.
820
00:39:35,527 --> 00:39:36,746
want to see us tomorrow.
821
00:39:36,846 --> 00:39:38,906
And The Guardian
have got this message
822
00:39:39,006 --> 00:39:42,025
that their PR have written,
that is... that is just...
823
00:39:42,125 --> 00:39:44,125
All right. Okay.
824
00:39:45,125 --> 00:39:47,064
You look worse than he does. Let's...
825
00:39:47,164 --> 00:39:49,344
(WHISPERS)
I didn't tell him to fight back.
826
00:39:49,444 --> 00:39:51,783
I told him to pick his moment,
I didn't want him to hit someone.
827
00:39:51,883 --> 00:39:53,583
Shit.
828
00:39:53,683 --> 00:39:55,823
It's all right.
829
00:39:55,923 --> 00:39:57,922
Come on.
830
00:39:58,242 --> 00:40:00,462
Sit down. Sit down.
831
00:40:00,562 --> 00:40:02,561
Soup okay?
832
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:07,180
(CLATTERING)
833
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,300
What do I do?
834
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,819
How do I make it better?
835
00:40:10,919 --> 00:40:13,759
Well, we will talk to the school.
836
00:40:14,919 --> 00:40:16,898
You think they'll do better?
837
00:40:16,998 --> 00:40:18,998
It's a good school.
838
00:40:19,918 --> 00:40:20,937
Things have changed.
839
00:40:21,037 --> 00:40:24,477
You know, teachers, parents,
they're not allowed to do...
840
00:40:26,116 --> 00:40:28,116
There's systems, right?
841
00:40:29,995 --> 00:40:31,995
I thought about her.
842
00:40:32,475 --> 00:40:34,475
Earlier today, I was reading this...
843
00:40:36,314 --> 00:40:39,933
paper-mache over-apologetic
PR nonsense,
844
00:40:40,033 --> 00:40:42,773
and I thought about all the times
I'd gone to her and apologised.
845
00:40:42,873 --> 00:40:44,872
And all the times I...
846
00:40:45,272 --> 00:40:47,272
and then my son
gets a face like that.
847
00:40:50,111 --> 00:40:52,111
Okay.
848
00:40:53,231 --> 00:40:54,210
I'm gonna make the sofa up.
849
00:40:54,310 --> 00:40:56,310
You're staying here tonight.
850
00:40:57,150 --> 00:40:59,149
And I'll just put this soup on.
851
00:41:22,585 --> 00:41:24,584
(PHONE VIBRATES)
852
00:41:28,983 --> 00:41:30,803
(PHONE RINGING)
853
00:41:30,903 --> 00:41:33,602
- ALAN: Hi.
- I can't read that statement.
854
00:41:33,702 --> 00:41:35,702
A retraction at this time,
855
00:41:36,302 --> 00:41:38,121
you're asking me to say I was wrong.
856
00:41:38,221 --> 00:41:40,581
If we can't get Mr Apollo
on the record,
857
00:41:41,781 --> 00:41:43,880
then we need to make a retraction.
858
00:41:43,980 --> 00:41:46,340
You know getting him on the record
is impossible.
859
00:41:47,779 --> 00:41:49,599
Then I'm afraid you'll have
to make that statement
860
00:41:49,699 --> 00:41:51,479
to the Select Committee tomorrow.
861
00:41:51,579 --> 00:41:54,558
If you make me read it out,
I won't come.
862
00:41:54,658 --> 00:41:57,617
If you don't come,
we're fucked.
863
00:42:00,697 --> 00:42:02,696
Oh.
864
00:42:03,376 --> 00:42:06,056
(SIGHS)
865
00:42:27,971 --> 00:42:29,971
(EXHALES)
866
00:42:30,410 --> 00:42:32,350
Carl Bernstein,
one of the great reporters
867
00:42:32,450 --> 00:42:34,450
who exposed the Watergate scandal,
said,
868
00:42:35,449 --> 00:42:38,789
"I think all good reporting
is the same thing.
869
00:42:38,889 --> 00:42:41,748
"The best attainable version
of the truth."
870
00:42:41,848 --> 00:42:45,867
The best attainable version
of the truth.
871
00:42:45,967 --> 00:42:48,007
The best attainable...
so no matter what you've got...
872
00:42:49,886 --> 00:42:51,886
you've got to...
873
00:43:10,202 --> 00:43:11,262
Good morning.
874
00:43:11,362 --> 00:43:14,561
Hi. Does this printer-scanner
thing still work?
875
00:43:15,761 --> 00:43:17,501
Yeah, that one does.
Coffee?
876
00:43:17,601 --> 00:43:21,300
And do you have some black paper
and some glue and some scissors?
877
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,379
Oh, you're making me a collage, Nick?
878
00:43:23,479 --> 00:43:26,659
Might need the kids
to be slightly late for school.
879
00:43:26,759 --> 00:43:28,758
Right. Why?
880
00:43:29,918 --> 00:43:32,977
Okay, so these are e-mails
881
00:43:33,077 --> 00:43:35,737
written to a journalist,
that's Neville,
882
00:43:35,837 --> 00:43:37,656
with transcriptions of
883
00:43:37,756 --> 00:43:39,976
a man called Gordon Taylor's
voicemail messages.
884
00:43:40,076 --> 00:43:41,976
What I need you to do
is to block out all the sections
885
00:43:42,076 --> 00:43:44,495
which are clearly transcribed
from those voicemails.
886
00:43:44,595 --> 00:43:45,615
Leave everything else visible.
887
00:43:45,715 --> 00:43:46,794
You should be able to tell
which bits are which.
888
00:43:46,795 --> 00:43:47,894
But any doubts, just ask.
889
00:43:47,994 --> 00:43:50,814
Hmm. May I ask, why aren't you
doing this at The Guardian,
890
00:43:50,914 --> 00:43:52,653
with some sort of
vague professionalism?
891
00:43:52,753 --> 00:43:54,493
Alan can't know.
892
00:43:54,593 --> 00:43:56,593
Your editor can't know?
893
00:43:57,072 --> 00:43:59,052
Because I can't have him
tell anyone else.
894
00:43:59,152 --> 00:44:01,052
Oh yeah, that man is a gossip.
895
00:44:01,152 --> 00:44:02,110
Fleet Street can't know about this.
896
00:44:02,111 --> 00:44:04,931
As far as they know, I'm walking
naked into that committee room.
897
00:44:05,031 --> 00:44:06,491
I was just trying to
protect my editor.
898
00:44:06,591 --> 00:44:08,670
- And my newspaper.
- And you?
899
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:12,869
What sort of danger
are you putting yourself in here?
900
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:16,308
(SIGHS)
901
00:44:42,543 --> 00:44:44,543
Nick.
902
00:44:46,702 --> 00:44:48,602
How are you, Alan?
903
00:44:48,702 --> 00:44:50,641
I'm fine, a bit tired.
904
00:44:50,741 --> 00:44:53,081
Something interrupted
my sleep last night.
905
00:44:53,181 --> 00:44:55,180
I hate it when that happens.
906
00:44:57,020 --> 00:44:59,020
I hate all of this.
907
00:44:59,500 --> 00:45:01,499
I'm sorry if I've made
your life difficult.
908
00:45:02,179 --> 00:45:03,559
My life?
909
00:45:03,659 --> 00:45:05,658
This is bigger than me.
910
00:45:06,698 --> 00:45:09,897
You could have brought down the whole
Guardian newspaper with this one.
911
00:45:10,897 --> 00:45:12,957
But what a way to go.
912
00:45:13,057 --> 00:45:16,516
I mean, consider the glory.
913
00:45:16,616 --> 00:45:22,835
I, Nick Davies,
have destroyed, utterly destroyed
914
00:45:22,935 --> 00:45:26,134
close to 200 years
of journalistic endeavour,
915
00:45:27,374 --> 00:45:30,513
You're an absolute... God.
916
00:45:30,613 --> 00:45:32,393
God, I can't even think what you are.
917
00:45:32,493 --> 00:45:34,492
You're awful.
918
00:45:36,372 --> 00:45:40,391
You know what Peter Preston told me
when I took over the editor's desk?
919
00:45:40,491 --> 00:45:42,471
Why in hell did they choose you?
920
00:45:42,571 --> 00:45:44,570
Don't join the club.
921
00:45:45,090 --> 00:45:46,830
He had to make adjustments
to the paper
922
00:45:46,930 --> 00:45:49,669
after the move from Manchester,
and he didn't...
923
00:45:49,769 --> 00:45:54,588
well, he wouldn't be part
of the media cabal.
924
00:45:54,688 --> 00:45:57,108
He liked being on
the edge of Fleet Street.
925
00:45:57,208 --> 00:46:00,007
He considered it part of our DNA.
926
00:46:01,367 --> 00:46:03,566
Last night in bed,
I realised something.
927
00:46:04,766 --> 00:46:07,985
What you've done bringing us here,
928
00:46:08,085 --> 00:46:11,125
is in the line of
great Guardian coups.
929
00:46:12,764 --> 00:46:16,444
But I do want to keep the newspaper
I've been entrusted with alive.
930
00:46:18,163 --> 00:46:19,863
Are you reading the statement?
931
00:46:19,963 --> 00:46:21,962
No.
932
00:46:22,442 --> 00:46:24,442
But I do have things to say.
933
00:46:27,441 --> 00:46:30,261
If you go too far,
I will squeeze your leg
934
00:46:30,361 --> 00:46:32,360
and you will stop.
935
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,360
I have a paper to protect.
936
00:46:36,359 --> 00:46:39,359
And you,
be sure to protect yourself.
937
00:46:41,318 --> 00:46:43,058
Tin hats on.
938
00:46:43,158 --> 00:46:45,158
JOHN WHITTINGDALE:
Thank you for joining us, gentlemen.
939
00:46:46,157 --> 00:46:47,297
Now we have a lot of questions,
940
00:46:47,397 --> 00:46:50,057
so try to keep
opening statements short.
941
00:46:50,157 --> 00:46:52,356
I'd like to keep this whole
experience quite short, if I may.
942
00:46:54,156 --> 00:46:57,395
But I do have...
there is a lot for me to say.
943
00:47:00,994 --> 00:47:03,934
I'd like to start by showing you,
first of all,
944
00:47:04,034 --> 00:47:06,353
copies of an e-mail.
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