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- Kalief Browder, thrown in jail
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as a 16-year-old high school sophomore.
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Now, more than three years later,
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this young man is free.
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[cell door buzzes]
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Criminal charges completely dropped.
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- They dismissed the case.
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2:00 in the morning?
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They release him.
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They just give him a MetroCard.
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He got nothing.
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- He had been away for so long,
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and finally he was home.
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It was a stranger.
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It wasn't like my son was home.
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- It was a troubled spirit
and soul with him.
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- They actually took
over three years of my life.
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I'm never gonna
get those years back.
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Never.
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- You brought civil suit
against the city.
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- There was such a reckless
disregard for his rights.
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- Court delays, solitary confinement.
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Every single thing that's wrong
with the criminal justice system
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is in Kalief's story.
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- Someone needs to pay.
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- I just grabbed him, and I said,
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"You, my son, are a hero."
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- It was like one step forward, two steps back.
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- Now I'm on TV.
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People in my neighborhood think I have money.
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- Some guy on his block chased him with the knife.
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- He didn't trust anybody.
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He felt the police, the government,
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everybody was after him.
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- He just wasn't all there.
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- The paranoia, the memories,
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it was just too much.
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- He was already a cause,
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but people forgot he was a kid.
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- 911, what's your emergency?
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[dramatic music]
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♪ ♪
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[tentative music]
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♪ ♪
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[music builds dramatically]
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♪ ♪
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[mechanical whirring]
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[radio tuning]
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- When I first came home from jail,
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I felt relieved.
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But I feel like I lost my childhood.
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You know, I could've graduated back then.
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I lost a lot of proms.
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I lost a lot of
celebrations with my family.
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I lost--
I lost a lot, you know?
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I feel like...
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I don't know.
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Like, I know what I feel like,
but it's hard to explain.
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- Like you're grown-up
all of a sudden.
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- Yeah.
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It's just
the transition is crazy.
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- When he got out,
there was really nothing there
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to help him transition.
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- People were being left
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pretty much stranded once they're released,
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not getting the help that they need
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to rinse away that trauma
of being in jail.
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- We drove him to psychosis
and then kicked him out the door
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and basically said,
"Deal with it on your own."
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- When Kalief came home, I couldn't believe it.
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I was so glad to see him.
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He had been away for so long, and finally he was home.
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It was a stranger.
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It wasn't like my son was home.
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The torture he went through at Rikers came home with him.
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You--you can't--
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You can't escape
stuff like that.
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- I called my mom and said, "Mom, let me speak to him!
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I want to hear from him."
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I was like, you know,
"How you doing?
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How's everything?"
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"I'm all right.
I'm okay."
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That wasn't my brother.
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I literally looked at my phone,
and I said,
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"This is not him.
This is a joke."
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- I decided to invite, like, a couple people over,
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have a little get-together
to make him feel love,
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to, like, relax, chill.
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I tried to bring him as much company as I can
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so he could have fun.
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[laughter]
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He wouldn't talk to nobody.
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He wouldn't even come downstairs.
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He would just stay to himself.
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Sometimes he would be
just zoned out.
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- Young men who are really damaged,
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they're coming home to really damaged environments
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having a very difficult time
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finding their space in the world
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that's traditionally said,
"We don't want you."
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- I was trying to get a job.
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Nobody was giving me
any job interviews.
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Nobody was giving me
any call back.
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- Many of these young men
are not employable.
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- Coming home, you know, I was very discouraged
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and sometimes
I'm still discouraged.
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I don't really think
I could make it
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like these guys out here.
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It's sad to say, you know, I don't really tell
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too much people about this,
but it's like,
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sometimes I talk to myself.
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And it's like, it's--it's--
it's actually embarrassing.
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Sometimes on the train,
and you know,
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I have a whole conversation with myself
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for like, for 5 to 10 minutes.
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The day I caught myself doing it,
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I was like, "Wow, like, you're really crazy.
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You really talk to yourself."
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And people look at me, and they look at me weird,
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and it's embarrassing.
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You know, beforeI went to solitary confinement,
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you know, I didn't have problems like this.
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- He came home, and he would shut the blinds.
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He would shut the curtains,
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and we would just be
in darkness.
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- He just acted really strange.
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The driveway: he would just walk four corners.
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I said, "Kalief, what's wrong with you?"
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"Ma, you don't understand.
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That's all I was allowed to do."
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I said, "Yeah, but you're home now."
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- It was not that
he just was a troubled child
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when he was a kid.
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He wasn't.
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[hinges squeak]
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The torture that he suffered on Rikers,
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you can't reverse any of this.
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[door clicks shut]
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- I got a call from Kalief's brother Akeem.
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He called me and said,
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"My brother was in Rikers for three years,
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and they just released him
on a robbery charge."
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So that doesn't
make sense at all.
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Kalief showed up, and he just started talking.
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He was really soft-spoken, but you could sense his anger
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and his resentment and his pain.
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The goal was to go forward
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on some type of lawsuit against the city.
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And there were a plethora of civil rights violations
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in Kalief's case:
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the false arrest, the malicious prosecution,
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denial of medical needs,
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the denial of the right to a fair and speedy trial,
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the torture that he endured in solitary confinement.
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And that's what we filed
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in our lawsuit against the city.
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It was unfathomable that this could happen
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to this kid in New York,
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not some obscure developing nation
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or somewhere you've never heard of.
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And then to just let him out
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without even any sort of apology.
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I reached out to the media.
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- It is an outrageous case of justice derailed.
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- Kalief Browder has now filed a civil rights lawsuit.
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- You brought a civil suit
against the city, the NYPD,
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Department of Corrections.
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- There was such a reckless
disregard for his rights.
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- What was bad
about this case?
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- Hmm.
Pretty much everything.
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- Claims he was starved and beaten, which prompted him
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to try and commit suicide several times.
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- And I was missing a lot.
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I was missing school.
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I wanted to be out there
working.
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I wanted to be around my family
and friends.
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And I was getting abused
by the COs.
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- He filed a civil lawsuit against the NYPD,
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the Bronx District Attorney,
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and New York Department of Corrections.
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- He was suddenly freed with no explanation.
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- No apology, no nothing.
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They just said,
"Oh, case dismissed.
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Don't worry about nothing."
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What do you mean,
"Don't worry about nothing?"
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Y'all just took
over three years of my life.
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I didn't get to go to prom,
graduation, nothing.
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Those are main years; I'm never
gonna get those years back.
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Never.
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Never.
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I spent three New Years
in there.
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- He wanted to tell what goes on there.
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And I'm proud of him
for doing it.
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I worried, though,
at the same time
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that people
would come after him.
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That was a fear to me:
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somebody there would get angry,
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and they all know where he lives.
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I have seen cop cars parked down the street
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cruise by and look this way.
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- At first
I didn't believe him
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'cause I thought
it was just all in his head.
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So one day I was like,
"Let me go outside with him
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to see if
he's telling the truth."
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And I went outside with him,
and I seen it for myself.
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I seen the parked car
down the block on the corner.
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I seen the unlicensed car
up the block towards this door,
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and I'm like, "Wow, they're really following him."
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- He said they were watching him
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and listening to everything we say.
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And sometimes I'd talk,
and he go,
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[whispers quietly]
"Shh.
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Outside.
Outside."
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Now, with the paranoia setting in,
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Kalief didn't trust nobody anymore.
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There were times he didn't trust
me or anybody in this house.
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- It was really, really bad.
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- He went through an episode.
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He was peeing on the floor.
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- He had all of these bottles lined up.
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He was talking to them.
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- I said, "Ma, call 911.
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Kalief is gonna try
to kill himself."
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[rapid footsteps, phone dialing]
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- 911, what's your emergency?
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- He's barely breathing. How many times--
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[sirens wailing]
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[sirens wailing]
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[dramatic music]
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♪ ♪
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- When I first came home,
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you know, I tried to kill myself.
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It was just a matter of
all the stress
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and everything
I was going through, you know.
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The transition of not worrying
about bills and having fun,
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to just coming home
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and just being
strictly business is--
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I feel like
I'm losing my sanity.
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I never even got to have my fun.
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And it's like--
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I don't know.
It just brings me down.
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- I went to see Kalief.
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I spoke with the doctor and said,
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"Can I see what kind of medication you're giving him?"
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♪ ♪
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The doctor sat him down, I was in the room,
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and he asked Kalief,
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"Well, how does the medication make you feel?"
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So Kalief said he don't like it
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'cause it makes him feel,
like, spaced out.
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- They told me, "If you don't take your medication,
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you're not going home."
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So I guess I have to take my medication.
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It was like reality check. You know?
262
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I did all this, I stayed in jail
263
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just to prove I was innocent,
264
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and to just to come home and take your life,
265
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that's when it hit me.
266
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It just woke me up.
267
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I wanted to live.
268
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♪ ♪
269
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I just wanted more for myself.
270
00:12:40,393 --> 00:12:44,696
I feel like I deserve more,
and I should've--
271
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I don't know.
272
00:12:50,604 --> 00:12:53,004
Right now, this is Broadway.
273
00:12:53,106 --> 00:12:54,072
I like the environment.
274
00:12:54,174 --> 00:12:55,874
Everybody has a sense of purpose
out here.
275
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Everybody that you see out here,
they either going to
276
00:12:58,478 --> 00:12:59,878
or they coming from work.
You know?
277
00:12:59,980 --> 00:13:02,514
Where I come from, you know,
there's not too much of that.
278
00:13:02,616 --> 00:13:04,382
So when I come here
it motivates me.
279
00:13:04,484 --> 00:13:07,018
It motivates me to do better.
280
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I have to catch up on my life.
281
00:13:10,657 --> 00:13:13,558
I didn't have anything to my name.
282
00:13:13,660 --> 00:13:18,062
So I enrolled in school so I could get my GED.
283
00:13:18,165 --> 00:13:19,397
- He wanted to change his life.
284
00:13:19,499 --> 00:13:20,899
He wanted to do good.
285
00:13:23,003 --> 00:13:25,303
- Kalief had it in him.
286
00:13:25,405 --> 00:13:27,872
He wanted to go places.
287
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[metallic clattering]
288
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These were some of the books
he had read.
289
00:13:31,878 --> 00:13:36,714
And I just assume
it was when he was in jail.
290
00:13:36,817 --> 00:13:39,350
"Organized Crime
and American Power,"
291
00:13:39,452 --> 00:13:40,952
"48 Laws of Power,"
292
00:13:41,054 --> 00:13:44,255
"House of Bush, House of Saud."
293
00:13:44,357 --> 00:13:48,092
- Now, he's reading that
in Rikers Island.
294
00:13:48,195 --> 00:13:51,496
What if he had read that
in the 11th grade?
295
00:13:51,598 --> 00:13:54,766
- He was very curious,
296
00:13:54,868 --> 00:13:57,235
very bright.
297
00:13:57,337 --> 00:13:59,337
He wanted to feel normal.
298
00:13:59,439 --> 00:14:03,374
He wanted to feel in control
and empowered, you know,
299
00:14:03,476 --> 00:14:06,144
like everyone else
making decisions in life.
300
00:14:06,246 --> 00:14:09,314
- Took his GED and passed it on the first try.
301
00:14:11,218 --> 00:14:14,886
- He was trying to make the best of his life.
302
00:14:14,988 --> 00:14:16,921
I said, "What is the next step
for you?"
303
00:14:17,023 --> 00:14:18,189
It was really a journey
304
00:14:18,291 --> 00:14:22,293
bringing him to Bronx Community College.
305
00:14:22,395 --> 00:14:26,965
- He started going to Bronx Community.
306
00:14:27,067 --> 00:14:30,301
They became like a family to him.
307
00:14:30,403 --> 00:14:32,804
- I'm majoring in business management,
308
00:14:32,906 --> 00:14:36,774
and probably maybe running my own business one day.
309
00:14:36,877 --> 00:14:41,112
- And he was happy there.
310
00:14:41,214 --> 00:14:43,648
- The first time I met Kalief, he was sitting in the hallway.
311
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He had a notebookand he was writing things down.
312
00:14:46,786 --> 00:14:50,388
I always thought he was very humble, very quiet.
313
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Basically very consistent.
314
00:14:51,825 --> 00:14:53,191
Kalief always--
315
00:14:53,293 --> 00:14:55,860
When Kalief said, "I'm gonna be
there," he always was here.
316
00:14:58,064 --> 00:14:59,931
- This...
317
00:15:00,033 --> 00:15:01,699
is his famous bike.
318
00:15:05,005 --> 00:15:08,239
This is how he used to
get to BCC every day,
319
00:15:08,341 --> 00:15:12,877
and he was so proud
of his bike.
320
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♪ ♪
321
00:15:16,283 --> 00:15:18,683
And everybody used to say, "Oh, here come Kalief,
322
00:15:18,785 --> 00:15:20,084
him and his bike."
323
00:15:23,290 --> 00:15:26,024
He was determined.
324
00:15:26,126 --> 00:15:29,127
When he first started,
he didn't know how to write.
325
00:15:29,229 --> 00:15:31,596
He'd say, "Ma,
will you help me with this?
326
00:15:31,698 --> 00:15:33,298
Ma, check this for me."
327
00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,867
And I would proofread it
and everything.
328
00:15:35,969 --> 00:15:37,135
Next thing I know, I felt bad.
329
00:15:37,237 --> 00:15:38,569
He didn't need my help anymore.
330
00:15:38,672 --> 00:15:40,538
He did everything on his own.
331
00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,642
That was like a dream come true.
332
00:15:44,744 --> 00:15:46,177
- That was a proud moment for her,
333
00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:50,181
to figure out that one child that had that hard life
334
00:15:50,283 --> 00:15:52,583
is now in college
and doing very well.
335
00:15:52,686 --> 00:15:57,555
- When he went to BCC, it was like a new life.
336
00:15:57,657 --> 00:15:59,490
- It's not about what happened in Rikers.
337
00:15:59,592 --> 00:16:02,427
It's what can happen now,
and your life can be different.
338
00:16:02,529 --> 00:16:06,064
- Kalief was the humble soul,
339
00:16:06,166 --> 00:16:07,865
very dedicated
340
00:16:07,968 --> 00:16:11,002
to what he wanted to accomplish in life.
341
00:16:11,104 --> 00:16:14,572
But he told me one day,
"I don't know myself.
342
00:16:14,674 --> 00:16:16,741
I don't know who I am."
343
00:16:16,843 --> 00:16:19,344
And my only response was,
344
00:16:19,446 --> 00:16:22,080
"Your memories
are not serving you.
345
00:16:22,182 --> 00:16:24,415
"You need to re-create
new memories.
346
00:16:24,517 --> 00:16:25,750
You need a vacation."
347
00:16:25,852 --> 00:16:29,053
♪ ♪
348
00:16:29,155 --> 00:16:30,822
Go somewhere and just try to
349
00:16:30,924 --> 00:16:34,759
take your mind away from everything.
350
00:16:34,861 --> 00:16:37,462
- Coming out of incarceration, you're confined.
351
00:16:37,564 --> 00:16:39,697
You've got no freedom;
352
00:16:39,799 --> 00:16:41,366
you're not getting much respect.
353
00:16:41,468 --> 00:16:43,634
So I've spent the last two years
354
00:16:43,737 --> 00:16:45,436
developing a program called Rewilding
355
00:16:45,538 --> 00:16:48,573
that's focused on taking
formerly incarcerated guys
356
00:16:48,675 --> 00:16:50,541
on life changing adventures.
357
00:16:50,643 --> 00:16:52,110
I flew into New York from Colorado
358
00:16:52,212 --> 00:16:54,012
and spent a week meeting with young men
359
00:16:54,114 --> 00:16:57,215
who were interested in coming on the adventure with us.
360
00:16:57,317 --> 00:16:59,117
- The first person
that came to mind
361
00:16:59,219 --> 00:17:01,719
for the director and myself
was Kalief.
362
00:17:01,821 --> 00:17:03,254
- [indistinct].
363
00:17:03,356 --> 00:17:05,123
- No, you're cool.
Cool.
364
00:17:05,225 --> 00:17:06,591
All right.
Sweet.
365
00:17:06,693 --> 00:17:07,892
- Kalief.
366
00:17:07,994 --> 00:17:09,694
- Glad we got that through,
the beginning part.
367
00:17:09,796 --> 00:17:11,295
So essentially
what I'm gonna do is just
368
00:17:11,398 --> 00:17:14,465
chat with you about, um--
369
00:17:14,567 --> 00:17:16,467
So I sat down with Kalief, you know,
370
00:17:16,569 --> 00:17:18,803
and just, you know, tried to
have a conversation with him,
371
00:17:18,905 --> 00:17:19,971
get to know him.
372
00:17:20,073 --> 00:17:22,473
- I would describe myself as,
373
00:17:22,575 --> 00:17:26,644
I don't know;
I guess I would say I'm driven.
374
00:17:26,746 --> 00:17:31,049
I just--
I don't know what to say.
375
00:17:31,151 --> 00:17:33,284
- He was just a sweet kid, you know?
376
00:17:33,386 --> 00:17:34,786
Thoughtful.
377
00:17:34,888 --> 00:17:36,654
- As a person I want to grow,
378
00:17:36,756 --> 00:17:41,726
but it's just hard to talk about
when, you know,
379
00:17:41,828 --> 00:17:43,728
there's just a lot of stuff
I've been through.
380
00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:46,230
I'm trying to
get over that stuff.
381
00:17:46,332 --> 00:17:48,099
It's hard.
I go to counseling,
382
00:17:48,201 --> 00:17:51,002
and I take medication now.
383
00:17:51,104 --> 00:17:53,671
But I'm just trying to--
384
00:17:53,773 --> 00:17:56,474
I don't know.
I don't know.
385
00:17:56,576 --> 00:17:58,176
Stuff is personal.
386
00:17:58,278 --> 00:18:00,445
- Yeah.
[indistinct].
387
00:18:00,547 --> 00:18:02,880
There was so much going on inside of him.
388
00:18:02,982 --> 00:18:04,782
And he needs help,
and he's asking for help,
389
00:18:04,884 --> 00:18:06,217
and he's looking for help,
390
00:18:06,319 --> 00:18:10,688
- I just feel like me leaving
and going somewhere,
391
00:18:10,790 --> 00:18:13,691
maybe I could just, you know,
392
00:18:13,793 --> 00:18:16,094
let it out
and leave it there.
393
00:18:16,196 --> 00:18:20,531
[waves crashing]
394
00:18:20,633 --> 00:18:23,301
I would love to learn how to climb rocks.
395
00:18:23,403 --> 00:18:25,770
I would love to learn about everything involved in nature.
396
00:18:25,872 --> 00:18:27,405
I've never did anything
like that:
397
00:18:27,507 --> 00:18:33,277
fish, swim, um, make a tent.
398
00:18:33,379 --> 00:18:36,514
I might come back
with a whole nother personality,
399
00:18:36,616 --> 00:18:39,717
a whole nother me, or
a whole nother outlook on life.
400
00:18:39,819 --> 00:18:41,018
- I immediately knew
that this is
401
00:18:41,121 --> 00:18:42,954
probably the guy
we needed to bring.
402
00:18:43,056 --> 00:18:45,990
But there is this caveat that we expressed to him
403
00:18:46,092 --> 00:18:47,225
and made clear that, you know,
404
00:18:47,327 --> 00:18:48,693
"Even if you do end up
405
00:18:48,795 --> 00:18:50,294
"getting selected to come on this trip,
406
00:18:50,396 --> 00:18:52,263
"it's not gonna happen
for, you know,
407
00:18:52,365 --> 00:18:55,032
six to eight months."
408
00:18:55,135 --> 00:18:56,901
There was disappointment.
409
00:18:57,003 --> 00:18:59,904
I think his need for relief was more immediate.
410
00:19:00,006 --> 00:19:02,907
♪ ♪
411
00:19:03,009 --> 00:19:05,576
- I used to watch movies and TV.
412
00:19:05,678 --> 00:19:08,012
I'd see people in Paris
413
00:19:08,114 --> 00:19:10,381
or London
414
00:19:10,483 --> 00:19:13,084
or Africa,
415
00:19:13,186 --> 00:19:16,754
and I see pyramids.
416
00:19:16,856 --> 00:19:18,222
When I see it
in the movies like that,
417
00:19:18,324 --> 00:19:19,657
you gotta get stressed out.
418
00:19:19,759 --> 00:19:23,060
I just be like, "I'll never
be able to do that stuff."
419
00:19:23,163 --> 00:19:27,098
Like, sometimes
I think like that.
420
00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:28,933
But I don't know.
421
00:19:29,035 --> 00:19:31,969
[siren wails distantly]
422
00:19:34,541 --> 00:19:35,640
[clock hand clicks]
423
00:19:38,878 --> 00:19:42,213
[ominous music]
424
00:19:42,315 --> 00:19:45,016
- We were possibly on a track to settle the case,
425
00:19:45,118 --> 00:19:47,652
getting some of the discovery from the city,
426
00:19:47,754 --> 00:19:50,555
and obviously, we were in shock
by what was saw
427
00:19:50,657 --> 00:19:52,256
in terms of the records
428
00:19:52,358 --> 00:19:55,560
and some of the stuff that the city had turned over.
429
00:19:55,662 --> 00:19:57,895
He wanted to get out there and tell the story.
430
00:19:57,997 --> 00:19:59,730
He thought that was important.
431
00:19:59,832 --> 00:20:01,933
- I meet lots of people whose lawyers tell me,
432
00:20:02,035 --> 00:20:04,035
"You gotta hear my client's case."
433
00:20:04,137 --> 00:20:05,469
When I actually
met Kalief Browder,
434
00:20:05,572 --> 00:20:07,405
my entire world changed.
435
00:20:07,507 --> 00:20:08,839
You're a better man
than me.
436
00:20:08,942 --> 00:20:11,475
You made a decision that
you were gonna fight this.
437
00:20:11,578 --> 00:20:12,543
- That's correct.
438
00:20:12,645 --> 00:20:13,978
- How'd you come
to that conclusion?
439
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:15,746
- Because I know deep down
inside in my heart,
440
00:20:15,848 --> 00:20:16,914
I didn't do it.
441
00:20:17,016 --> 00:20:18,716
But a lot of people
aren't strong.
442
00:20:18,818 --> 00:20:20,251
They would take the plea deal
and take it
443
00:20:20,353 --> 00:20:21,485
knowing that they didn't do it.
444
00:20:21,588 --> 00:20:22,753
And that happens every day.
445
00:20:22,855 --> 00:20:27,625
Happens every day,
so I just--I don't know.
446
00:20:27,727 --> 00:20:30,428
- Jennifer,
could you tell us how it is
447
00:20:30,530 --> 00:20:33,431
that you came to write the story
about Kalief Browder
448
00:20:33,533 --> 00:20:35,700
and how that story unfolded?
449
00:20:35,802 --> 00:20:38,002
- Kalief filed a civil suit
against New York City
450
00:20:38,104 --> 00:20:42,607
and got a tiny bit of press.
And in early 2014,
451
00:20:42,709 --> 00:20:45,610
I thought maybe
I would write about him.
452
00:20:45,712 --> 00:20:47,645
But I ended up meeting him
and sitting down with him
453
00:20:47,747 --> 00:20:51,282
and at this point,
he was 20, about to turn 21
454
00:20:51,384 --> 00:20:53,284
and told him I wanted
to write a story about him
455
00:20:53,386 --> 00:20:55,152
and asked him if
he wanted to be written about,
456
00:20:55,255 --> 00:20:57,088
and, uh, and he did.
457
00:20:57,190 --> 00:21:00,091
[mysterious music]
458
00:21:00,193 --> 00:21:08,132
♪ ♪
459
00:21:08,234 --> 00:21:10,568
- Jennifer Gonnerman,
it was a blockbuster story--
460
00:21:10,670 --> 00:21:12,069
a really important
story.
461
00:21:12,171 --> 00:21:13,738
- He spent three years
on Rikers Island
462
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,107
trapped there without having
been convicted of a crime.
463
00:21:16,209 --> 00:21:19,644
- A "New Yorker" profile is not just any kind of journalism.
464
00:21:19,746 --> 00:21:23,080
It's the top
of New York investigation.
465
00:21:23,182 --> 00:21:25,416
- How did he become
the face of this story?
466
00:21:25,518 --> 00:21:26,984
- Almost everything
that could go wrong
467
00:21:27,086 --> 00:21:29,520
in the criminal justice system
had happened to him.
468
00:21:29,622 --> 00:21:30,988
- Jennifer, how does this happen in America?
469
00:21:31,090 --> 00:21:31,989
We have a constitution.
470
00:21:32,091 --> 00:21:33,424
You have a right
to a speedy trial.
471
00:21:33,526 --> 00:21:37,662
- Reality is that the media
has a very tough job
472
00:21:37,764 --> 00:21:39,664
of telling big stories.
473
00:21:39,766 --> 00:21:41,732
You think about what's going on in Syria.
474
00:21:41,834 --> 00:21:43,067
You have, you know,
475
00:21:43,169 --> 00:21:45,336
hundreds of thousands of people that get killed;
476
00:21:45,438 --> 00:21:46,804
it's just a number.
477
00:21:46,906 --> 00:21:49,507
Then you see one baby wash up on a beach,
478
00:21:49,609 --> 00:21:52,009
and the whole world goes crazy.
479
00:21:52,111 --> 00:21:53,177
In some ways, Kalief was
480
00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:55,313
the baby
that washed up on the beach.
481
00:22:02,622 --> 00:22:05,289
- I read a piece in "The New Yorker."
482
00:22:05,391 --> 00:22:08,559
I just felt compelled to meet with him,
483
00:22:08,661 --> 00:22:10,161
have a conversation with him,
484
00:22:10,263 --> 00:22:11,362
tell him I'm proud of him
485
00:22:11,464 --> 00:22:13,898
and I'm sorry
that this happened to him
486
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,468
and just encourage him
to keep moving forward.
487
00:22:17,570 --> 00:22:19,804
[camera shutter clicks]
488
00:22:19,906 --> 00:22:21,272
He walked in the door,
489
00:22:21,374 --> 00:22:23,808
and I'm like, "How you doing? How you feeling?
490
00:22:23,910 --> 00:22:25,643
I'm really proud of you for everything
491
00:22:25,745 --> 00:22:27,578
that you went through in this ordeal
492
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,215
and standing up for yourself and what you believe in
493
00:22:31,317 --> 00:22:35,720
and having your fortitude
to continue on.
494
00:22:35,822 --> 00:22:37,488
[camera shutter clicks]
495
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:40,091
- I read the article in "The New Yorker"...
496
00:22:40,193 --> 00:22:41,158
[camera shutter clicks]
497
00:22:41,260 --> 00:22:44,428
And it blew my mind.
498
00:22:44,530 --> 00:22:46,263
What's the worst thing
you could ever think
499
00:22:46,366 --> 00:22:48,065
that could happen to a child?
500
00:22:48,167 --> 00:22:50,000
That is it.
501
00:22:50,103 --> 00:22:51,268
[camera shutter clicks]
502
00:22:51,371 --> 00:22:53,104
And I looked at the picture of his face,
503
00:22:53,206 --> 00:22:56,574
and I was like, "Oh, I gotta help this kid."
504
00:22:56,676 --> 00:22:59,410
I called Paul, and I said, "I wanna help him.
505
00:22:59,512 --> 00:23:00,945
How can I help him?"
506
00:23:01,047 --> 00:23:04,081
He started telling me about what he was planning to do,
507
00:23:04,183 --> 00:23:06,050
and eventually, we booked him.
508
00:23:06,152 --> 00:23:07,952
Please welcome Kalief Browder.
509
00:23:08,054 --> 00:23:08,919
[applause]
510
00:23:09,021 --> 00:23:09,954
That's right.
511
00:23:10,056 --> 00:23:12,156
[applause continues]
512
00:23:12,258 --> 00:23:15,526
How are you?
513
00:23:15,628 --> 00:23:17,595
Excited about this show
or a little nerve-racking?
514
00:23:17,697 --> 00:23:18,763
- A little nerve-racking.
515
00:23:18,865 --> 00:23:20,097
- Right.
516
00:23:20,199 --> 00:23:21,265
I went into the dressing room,
517
00:23:21,367 --> 00:23:22,767
and I just grabbed him
518
00:23:22,869 --> 00:23:23,934
and I held his face in my hands
519
00:23:24,036 --> 00:23:27,271
and I said,
"You survived the unsurvivable,
520
00:23:27,373 --> 00:23:29,273
"and you are here
to talk about it.
521
00:23:29,375 --> 00:23:32,476
"And there are people like me
who you don't know
522
00:23:32,578 --> 00:23:36,480
who will do everything they can
to help you."
523
00:23:36,582 --> 00:23:39,083
You found it inside of you
to say no.
524
00:23:39,185 --> 00:23:40,117
- Right.
525
00:23:40,219 --> 00:23:41,685
- Where do you think
that came from?
526
00:23:41,788 --> 00:23:43,320
- It came from within.
527
00:23:43,423 --> 00:23:44,822
It's like, that's my feelings.
528
00:23:44,924 --> 00:23:46,457
And it's--
529
00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:49,393
You know, everything I've been
through in there, and it's like,
530
00:23:49,495 --> 00:23:51,629
"You want me to just walk away
like it's okay?"
531
00:23:51,731 --> 00:23:53,297
It's not okay.
- Yeah.
532
00:23:53,399 --> 00:23:54,698
- You know, that's not okay.
533
00:23:54,801 --> 00:23:56,467
- You are really a hero,
534
00:23:56,569 --> 00:23:58,836
and I wanted you to know that
and to feel that.
535
00:23:58,938 --> 00:24:01,906
[applause]
536
00:24:05,244 --> 00:24:06,577
And you're going
to college now?
537
00:24:06,679 --> 00:24:07,578
- Yes.
538
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,180
[applause]
539
00:24:09,282 --> 00:24:10,648
- We got you a little something.
540
00:24:10,750 --> 00:24:12,583
[applause]
We knew you didn't [indistinct].
541
00:24:12,685 --> 00:24:14,885
Got you just a little
laptop for you
542
00:24:14,987 --> 00:24:16,821
so that you can
work your way up.
543
00:24:16,923 --> 00:24:19,323
Just to get
what you need to get.
544
00:24:19,425 --> 00:24:20,991
- Thank you.
Thank you.
545
00:24:21,093 --> 00:24:22,660
- And we want you
to keep in touch
546
00:24:22,762 --> 00:24:25,229
because, uh,
we care about you.
547
00:24:25,331 --> 00:24:27,031
I love you;
I'm gonna give you a kiss.
548
00:24:27,133 --> 00:24:29,500
[applause]
549
00:24:29,602 --> 00:24:31,268
- There'd be so much stuff going on,
550
00:24:31,370 --> 00:24:33,871
so many people trying to contact him,
551
00:24:33,973 --> 00:24:36,707
so many people trying to
ask him to interview.
552
00:24:36,809 --> 00:24:39,543
It felt surreal.
553
00:24:39,645 --> 00:24:41,612
- This is a letter to Kalief.
554
00:24:41,714 --> 00:24:43,514
"Dear Kalief,
555
00:24:43,616 --> 00:24:44,682
"I want to encourage you
556
00:24:44,784 --> 00:24:46,851
to continue
pursuing your dreams."
557
00:24:46,953 --> 00:24:49,053
"As Michelle Alexander
points out
558
00:24:49,155 --> 00:24:51,388
"in her book 'The New Jim Crow,'
559
00:24:51,491 --> 00:24:55,192
what happened to you
is not unique."
560
00:24:55,294 --> 00:24:59,029
- Kalief's story was not terribly unusual,
561
00:24:59,131 --> 00:25:01,031
but I was moved because
562
00:25:01,133 --> 00:25:04,702
it's impossible not to be moved
if you really listen
563
00:25:04,804 --> 00:25:08,172
and really open your heart
to stories like this.
564
00:25:08,274 --> 00:25:10,541
[leaves rustling]
565
00:25:10,643 --> 00:25:13,277
- Somebody told me, "Can you please go to 'The New Yorker'
566
00:25:13,379 --> 00:25:16,647
and read the story about him?"
567
00:25:16,749 --> 00:25:17,715
[deep breath]
568
00:25:17,817 --> 00:25:21,285
That was hard.
569
00:25:21,387 --> 00:25:24,221
He asked that we didn't
share it with the school,
570
00:25:24,323 --> 00:25:25,990
you know,which was difficult to contain,
571
00:25:26,092 --> 00:25:28,893
you know, because now it's in the public eye.
572
00:25:28,995 --> 00:25:30,394
- I'm in the public eye.
573
00:25:30,496 --> 00:25:32,663
You know, when your name's
in the newspaper,
574
00:25:32,765 --> 00:25:35,566
your face is on TV,
it's stressful.
575
00:25:35,668 --> 00:25:37,268
All the sudden,
you feel very exposed;
576
00:25:37,370 --> 00:25:39,436
you feel vulnerable.
577
00:25:39,539 --> 00:25:41,605
- The people on campus would have him come
578
00:25:41,707 --> 00:25:45,442
meet with the presidents and vice presidents,
579
00:25:45,545 --> 00:25:47,278
and he would be aggravated.
580
00:25:47,380 --> 00:25:48,579
He didn't like the attention.
581
00:25:48,681 --> 00:25:50,314
And he didn't want
the attention.
582
00:25:50,416 --> 00:25:51,515
He didn't want fame.
583
00:25:51,617 --> 00:25:53,417
He wanted justice.
584
00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:59,023
♪ ♪
585
00:25:59,125 --> 00:26:01,258
- I don't really think Kalief understood.
586
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:03,761
And I was just like, "It's gonna be a lot of questions.
587
00:26:03,863 --> 00:26:06,130
"They have to take this testimony from you.
588
00:26:06,232 --> 00:26:10,100
'Cause all they've seen is the Kalief Browder on TV."
589
00:26:10,202 --> 00:26:11,101
He was nervous.
590
00:26:11,203 --> 00:26:12,770
He wasn't sure what to expect.
591
00:26:12,872 --> 00:26:14,638
And then, like, almost immediately,
592
00:26:14,740 --> 00:26:16,373
she got into asking him, like,
593
00:26:16,475 --> 00:26:19,076
what his attendance record was
in kindergarten.
594
00:26:19,178 --> 00:26:20,644
You know,
which was like, "What?"
595
00:26:20,746 --> 00:26:22,179
- Who was your math teacher?
596
00:26:22,281 --> 00:26:24,014
What was your favorite subject in ninth grade?
597
00:26:24,116 --> 00:26:25,349
Did you cut classes?
598
00:26:25,451 --> 00:26:26,817
Tell me one thing you learned in sociology.
599
00:26:26,919 --> 00:26:28,085
What kind of sports do you like to play?
600
00:26:28,187 --> 00:26:29,153
Tackle football?
601
00:26:29,255 --> 00:26:30,254
What kind of Bible study was it?
602
00:26:30,356 --> 00:26:31,689
Do you want to tell me about that?
603
00:26:31,791 --> 00:26:32,923
I see you're wearing beads around your neck.
604
00:26:33,025 --> 00:26:34,158
You're not Catholic, are you?
605
00:26:36,095 --> 00:26:38,862
- He started having this paranoid delusion.
606
00:26:38,965 --> 00:26:41,665
- Yesterday I just felt like everybody was watching me.
607
00:26:41,767 --> 00:26:43,701
They're trying to put me back in jail.
608
00:26:43,803 --> 00:26:47,037
- He went off about people on Facebook that weren't real.
609
00:26:47,139 --> 00:26:49,306
- I talked to some of my friends, and it's not them.
610
00:26:49,408 --> 00:26:51,976
The whole time I'm talking to them thinking they're real,
611
00:26:52,078 --> 00:26:55,245
and they're not real.
612
00:26:55,348 --> 00:26:57,648
- Now, he just wasn't all there.
613
00:26:57,750 --> 00:27:00,818
- Some days he would question who I was.
614
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,187
He would say,
"I know who you are.
615
00:27:03,289 --> 00:27:04,822
You're working with the FBI."
616
00:27:04,924 --> 00:27:06,523
And I'm like,
"What are you talking about?"
617
00:27:06,626 --> 00:27:08,759
- He said, "Miss,
I know who you are.
618
00:27:08,861 --> 00:27:09,960
I know who you are."
619
00:27:10,062 --> 00:27:12,096
- I didn't notice at first,
620
00:27:12,198 --> 00:27:15,065
but I believe honestly they are cops.
621
00:27:15,167 --> 00:27:18,168
- "Miss, are you bringing
the police to my house?
622
00:27:18,270 --> 00:27:20,004
"Miss, where are you?
623
00:27:20,106 --> 00:27:21,705
Miss Frida, where are you?"
624
00:27:21,807 --> 00:27:22,740
- Even in my classroom.
625
00:27:22,842 --> 00:27:23,907
I know they're in my classroom.
626
00:27:24,010 --> 00:27:24,942
I feel it.
627
00:27:25,044 --> 00:27:25,909
I can tell.
628
00:27:26,012 --> 00:27:27,911
They stand out.
629
00:27:28,014 --> 00:27:29,346
- He goes to his neighborhood.
630
00:27:29,448 --> 00:27:32,449
People look at him like, "Man, you're fronting.
631
00:27:32,551 --> 00:27:33,684
We know who you are."
632
00:27:33,786 --> 00:27:35,219
- Now I'm on TV.
633
00:27:35,321 --> 00:27:38,122
People in my neighborhood, they think that I have money.
634
00:27:38,224 --> 00:27:40,691
- Some guy on the block,
635
00:27:40,793 --> 00:27:42,960
he approached Kalief in an offensive way.
636
00:27:43,062 --> 00:27:44,461
Kalief approached back,
637
00:27:44,563 --> 00:27:46,030
and I think they started fighting.
638
00:27:46,132 --> 00:27:48,198
And then he just shot Kalief.
639
00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:49,199
[gunshot]
640
00:27:49,301 --> 00:27:50,367
[siren wails]
641
00:27:50,469 --> 00:27:52,703
- Kalief got shot
in the stomach.
642
00:27:52,805 --> 00:27:54,838
It was a train wreck.
643
00:27:54,940 --> 00:27:56,907
[siren wails]
644
00:27:59,478 --> 00:28:02,513
- After "The View," we stayed in touch.
645
00:28:02,615 --> 00:28:04,548
One day I hadn't heard from him in a while,
646
00:28:04,650 --> 00:28:06,684
and I kept saying to Paul, "What's going?"
647
00:28:06,786 --> 00:28:09,586
And then he called me up
and said he was shot.
648
00:28:09,689 --> 00:28:10,821
And I said, "What?"
649
00:28:10,923 --> 00:28:15,592
♪ ♪
650
00:28:15,695 --> 00:28:17,928
- You know, there was just a trail of bad luck,
651
00:28:18,030 --> 00:28:21,598
bad people, demons.
652
00:28:21,701 --> 00:28:23,801
You know, he always said he was cursed.
653
00:28:27,206 --> 00:28:28,472
Like, tormented.
654
00:28:34,113 --> 00:28:40,617
♪ ♪
655
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,622
- So then he came home,and he went Christmas shopping.
656
00:28:45,725 --> 00:28:49,359
And he went shopping to buy
his mother a Christmas present.
657
00:28:49,462 --> 00:28:53,130
He said he bought, you know,
a set of pots and pans
658
00:28:53,232 --> 00:28:55,065
'cause he knows I like to cook.
659
00:28:55,167 --> 00:28:57,634
And he was downtown.
660
00:28:57,737 --> 00:28:59,470
He had a lot of bags.
661
00:28:59,572 --> 00:29:02,473
And he said "Mommy, nobody would stop to give me a ride."
662
00:29:02,575 --> 00:29:04,208
He said he tried to get a cab.
663
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:08,011
- Let's see how long it takes
a black to get a yellow taxi.
664
00:29:08,114 --> 00:29:10,080
Hello?
Hello?
665
00:29:10,182 --> 00:29:11,615
You drove right by me.
- I didn't see you, sir.
666
00:29:11,717 --> 00:29:13,917
- No, you did see me.
How come you didn't pick me up?
667
00:29:14,019 --> 00:29:15,285
You didn't see me waving at you?
668
00:29:15,387 --> 00:29:16,987
- Something would trigger him,
669
00:29:17,089 --> 00:29:19,490
then he would go into that dark place.
670
00:29:19,592 --> 00:29:23,660
He ended up in a building and he went to the top floor,
671
00:29:23,763 --> 00:29:28,999
and he was preaching about cops and the internet
672
00:29:29,101 --> 00:29:31,935
and how they're watching; you gotta be careful.
673
00:29:32,037 --> 00:29:34,838
Somebody called the cops.
674
00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:37,941
The cops came and he wouldn't stop rambling on,
675
00:29:38,043 --> 00:29:40,511
so they took him to the psych ward at Harlem Hospital.
676
00:29:40,613 --> 00:29:43,514
[mysterious music]
677
00:29:43,616 --> 00:29:50,554
♪ ♪
678
00:29:55,461 --> 00:29:58,662
The doctor called him in and he asked Kalief,
679
00:29:58,764 --> 00:30:02,299
"Well, Kalief, how does the medicine make you feel?"
680
00:30:02,401 --> 00:30:03,834
So Kalief said he didn't like it
681
00:30:03,936 --> 00:30:08,539
because it made him walk around like in a haze like a zombie.
682
00:30:08,641 --> 00:30:15,579
♪ ♪
683
00:30:22,154 --> 00:30:23,854
- Please give our best regards
to the young man.
684
00:30:23,956 --> 00:30:26,023
We hope that
he'll continue to heal.
685
00:30:26,125 --> 00:30:28,559
- He's had setbacks.
686
00:30:28,661 --> 00:30:31,028
He's been hospitalized
since his, uh--
687
00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:32,329
since his release from jail,
688
00:30:32,431 --> 00:30:33,897
but he's making progress
689
00:30:33,999 --> 00:30:37,067
and taking each day as it comes.
690
00:30:37,169 --> 00:30:41,872
- Out here in New York City, you know, I'm struggling.
691
00:30:41,974 --> 00:30:45,909
And just being
in counseling, and--
692
00:30:46,011 --> 00:30:47,110
I don't know.
693
00:30:49,348 --> 00:30:52,583
- I mean,
for the first two hours.
694
00:30:52,685 --> 00:30:54,685
You know, 'cause you go in there
695
00:30:54,787 --> 00:30:56,954
because you stressed or depressed,
696
00:30:57,056 --> 00:30:58,889
so you talk your problems out.
697
00:30:58,991 --> 00:31:00,824
And, you know, it's soothing
698
00:31:00,926 --> 00:31:04,361
and it's comforting,
but it after it's over,
699
00:31:04,463 --> 00:31:08,699
you know, it's like you're
walking right back into reality.
700
00:31:08,801 --> 00:31:11,935
Talking doesn't solve your problem.
701
00:31:12,037 --> 00:31:14,338
I just feel as if
702
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,040
me leaving
and going somewhere
703
00:31:17,142 --> 00:31:18,242
and getting some air
704
00:31:18,344 --> 00:31:21,945
and instead of
thinking about jail
705
00:31:22,047 --> 00:31:23,447
and what was done to me
706
00:31:23,549 --> 00:31:27,451
and what I saw and stuff
like that in there is the--
707
00:31:27,553 --> 00:31:30,621
you know, just an escape
of what I see every day
708
00:31:30,723 --> 00:31:33,824
and to do something new,
I feel,
709
00:31:33,926 --> 00:31:37,461
would be, you know...
710
00:31:37,563 --> 00:31:38,528
a reliever to me.
711
00:31:38,631 --> 00:31:40,597
It would be--
it would bring a relief.
712
00:31:40,699 --> 00:31:42,065
That's how I feel about it.
713
00:31:42,167 --> 00:31:46,803
♪ ♪
714
00:31:46,906 --> 00:31:51,141
- Rock climbing, skylining, camping in general
715
00:31:51,243 --> 00:31:53,310
was a golden opportunity
716
00:31:53,412 --> 00:31:58,482
for Kalief to get his mind away from everything
717
00:31:58,584 --> 00:32:00,951
and get a refreshed idea
718
00:32:01,053 --> 00:32:02,953
of what life
was supposed to be like.
719
00:32:03,055 --> 00:32:05,322
- Reached out to Kalief, and, you know,
720
00:32:05,424 --> 00:32:07,257
we had this conversation, you know, on the phone,
721
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:08,992
and he's like, "I do wanna go.
I do.
722
00:32:09,094 --> 00:32:12,029
"You know,
but there's questions.
723
00:32:12,131 --> 00:32:14,498
"I'm having this conversation with my lawyer,
724
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:15,999
"and he's making me concerned, like,
725
00:32:16,101 --> 00:32:18,835
maybe it's not gonna be the best thing to do."
726
00:32:18,938 --> 00:32:20,237
- What day is that?
727
00:32:20,339 --> 00:32:22,773
You know, and he was going through a rough time.
728
00:32:22,875 --> 00:32:24,441
I told him, like, "Look.
729
00:32:24,543 --> 00:32:26,843
"Just keep yourself together.
730
00:32:26,946 --> 00:32:28,045
"Just hang in there.
731
00:32:28,147 --> 00:32:30,847
You can do any of that stuff
afterwards."
732
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:32,316
- You know, his lawyer didn't want him
733
00:32:32,418 --> 00:32:33,884
to go on this adventure.
734
00:32:33,986 --> 00:32:35,285
I guess at the end of the day,
735
00:32:35,387 --> 00:32:38,422
um, Kalief, you know,
took that advice.
736
00:32:39,725 --> 00:32:41,425
- He knew people supported him.
737
00:32:41,527 --> 00:32:43,860
But until the city had took some accountability
738
00:32:43,963 --> 00:32:46,363
and admitted wrongdoing,
739
00:32:46,465 --> 00:32:47,898
he wouldn't get justice.
740
00:32:50,703 --> 00:32:52,703
I didn't want her to keep jurying this through.
741
00:32:52,805 --> 00:32:55,505
Ideally, a settlement would have allowed him
742
00:32:55,607 --> 00:32:58,041
to put all this behind him
743
00:32:58,143 --> 00:33:00,010
and maybe start fresh.
744
00:33:00,112 --> 00:33:02,946
And all the bad things
that were following him,
745
00:33:03,048 --> 00:33:05,549
maybe there'll be an end
746
00:33:05,651 --> 00:33:08,885
and some sort of closure and everything.
747
00:33:08,988 --> 00:33:10,153
- Good morning, Mr. Browder.
748
00:33:10,255 --> 00:33:11,588
- Good morning.
749
00:33:11,690 --> 00:33:14,024
- Would you like for me to go over the rules again?
750
00:33:14,126 --> 00:33:15,792
- I know you need his words under oath.
751
00:33:15,894 --> 00:33:17,027
I understand that.
752
00:33:17,129 --> 00:33:18,729
But talk to whoever you have to talk to,
753
00:33:18,831 --> 00:33:21,565
and let's start discussing settlement.
754
00:33:21,667 --> 00:33:24,735
- Kalief never really cared
about money.
755
00:33:24,837 --> 00:33:26,069
I asked him; I said,
756
00:33:26,171 --> 00:33:29,239
"If you were a millionaire,
what would you do?"
757
00:33:29,341 --> 00:33:31,575
"Um...I don't know what to do.
758
00:33:31,677 --> 00:33:34,344
What would you do?"
was his response.
759
00:33:34,446 --> 00:33:36,346
♪ ♪
760
00:33:36,448 --> 00:33:40,517
He needed to get away from it all.
761
00:33:40,619 --> 00:33:42,786
There was so much stuff going on.
762
00:33:45,691 --> 00:33:48,358
Something told me to go check on him.
763
00:33:48,460 --> 00:33:50,260
And I asked him; I said, "Are you all right?"
764
00:33:50,362 --> 00:33:52,696
And he asked me, "Can I see your phone?"
765
00:33:52,798 --> 00:33:55,265
And he said, "You wanna see something?"
766
00:33:55,367 --> 00:33:56,933
- Jennifer Gonnerman
and "The New Yorker"
767
00:33:57,036 --> 00:33:58,869
recently released
surveillance footage
768
00:33:58,971 --> 00:34:01,171
showing some of the abuse
that Browder endured.
769
00:34:01,273 --> 00:34:04,875
- We turn right now to explosive video
770
00:34:04,977 --> 00:34:06,610
depicting violence inside
771
00:34:06,712 --> 00:34:08,678
New York City's Rikers Island jail.
772
00:34:08,781 --> 00:34:10,347
- Footage like this
never, ever comes out.
773
00:34:10,449 --> 00:34:13,216
It's not as if this was shot by some kind of camera crew.
774
00:34:13,318 --> 00:34:15,285
This is what goes on when nobody is looking.
775
00:34:15,387 --> 00:34:17,120
- And by the way,
how did you get this video?
776
00:34:17,222 --> 00:34:18,889
- You know, I can't really
get into how I got it,
777
00:34:18,991 --> 00:34:20,090
except that--
778
00:34:20,192 --> 00:34:23,260
- He explained every moment of that tape
779
00:34:23,362 --> 00:34:26,897
as if he was replaying
780
00:34:26,999 --> 00:34:30,901
that event over in his head.
781
00:34:31,003 --> 00:34:34,805
I never saw no one shake as much as he was shaking
782
00:34:34,907 --> 00:34:39,643
as he was watching that video.
783
00:34:39,745 --> 00:34:43,313
The pain that he experienced is unique.
784
00:34:43,415 --> 00:34:44,648
♪ ♪
785
00:34:44,750 --> 00:34:47,584
There's no one that could identify
786
00:34:47,686 --> 00:34:51,088
with someone who experienced
787
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:53,156
such an injustice
788
00:34:53,258 --> 00:34:56,159
that the world
789
00:34:56,261 --> 00:34:58,028
is affected by it.
790
00:35:10,375 --> 00:35:12,175
[clock hand squeaks]
791
00:35:13,645 --> 00:35:16,113
- I remember when we had a race on the campus,
792
00:35:16,215 --> 00:35:18,181
and we had to be here
at 8:00 in the morning.
793
00:35:18,283 --> 00:35:20,283
He was here at 7:00
in the morning.
794
00:35:20,385 --> 00:35:22,085
And he's like, "I'm ready."
795
00:35:22,187 --> 00:35:24,955
He ran 5 miles, came first.
796
00:35:25,057 --> 00:35:26,590
He couldn't even breathe.
797
00:35:26,692 --> 00:35:28,959
Bent down, grabbed his knees
and said, "Miss, I can't!"
798
00:35:29,061 --> 00:35:30,727
[laughs]
But he did it.
799
00:35:30,829 --> 00:35:31,962
Even if it was
going to kill him,
800
00:35:32,064 --> 00:35:32,996
he was gonna finish,
801
00:35:33,098 --> 00:35:34,965
and he was gonna
finish first.
802
00:35:35,067 --> 00:35:36,466
It was a happy day.
803
00:35:36,568 --> 00:35:38,168
- Yep.
- Yep.
804
00:35:38,270 --> 00:35:45,809
♪ ♪
805
00:35:45,911 --> 00:35:48,345
- Even though he had taken some steps forward,
806
00:35:48,447 --> 00:35:51,815
he was constantly taking steps
back at the same time.
807
00:35:51,917 --> 00:35:56,153
- It was a troubled spirit and soul with him.
808
00:35:56,255 --> 00:35:58,822
I asked about his neighborhood,
and just--
809
00:35:58,924 --> 00:36:01,358
we spoke about
just being uncomfortable.
810
00:36:02,461 --> 00:36:05,729
- He came to school
with a big mark.
811
00:36:05,831 --> 00:36:08,765
He explained to me it was some guy on his block
812
00:36:08,867 --> 00:36:11,601
that asked him what happened with the case.
813
00:36:11,703 --> 00:36:13,904
He told him, "I don't want to talk about it."
814
00:36:14,006 --> 00:36:16,439
He said the guy ran upstairs, got a knife,
815
00:36:16,542 --> 00:36:19,876
chased him with the knife; the guy came over him.
816
00:36:19,978 --> 00:36:22,512
He literally had to
hold the guy's hand
817
00:36:22,614 --> 00:36:25,048
so that he won't stab him
in his face.
818
00:36:25,150 --> 00:36:32,355
♪ ♪
819
00:36:32,457 --> 00:36:34,558
- Kalief just thought he was cursed.
820
00:36:34,660 --> 00:36:35,926
♪ ♪
821
00:36:36,028 --> 00:36:39,095
And he couldn't overcome his nightmares.
822
00:36:39,198 --> 00:36:42,098
Even when he was back in the Bronx,
823
00:36:42,201 --> 00:36:45,235
it might as well have just been Rikers.
824
00:36:45,337 --> 00:36:47,037
- This dude, he had beef with Kalief.
825
00:36:47,139 --> 00:36:48,538
And he said,
"I know you have money.
826
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:49,806
Give it up, give it up."
827
00:36:49,908 --> 00:36:51,208
I'm like, "What are you
talking about, bro?"
828
00:36:51,310 --> 00:36:53,310
One of them threw me to the ground;
829
00:36:53,412 --> 00:36:56,546
another one took my wallet and ran off.
830
00:36:56,648 --> 00:36:58,548
Kalief, well, he was like, "Show me where they at."
831
00:36:58,650 --> 00:37:00,116
Like he wanted to fight.
832
00:37:00,219 --> 00:37:01,718
So I told him, like,
"Come on, Kalief,
833
00:37:01,820 --> 00:37:03,086
let's go, let's go, let's go."
834
00:37:03,188 --> 00:37:06,223
Next thing you know, the cops is coming.
835
00:37:06,325 --> 00:37:07,557
They threw me to the ground.
836
00:37:07,659 --> 00:37:08,892
My face on the pavement.
837
00:37:08,994 --> 00:37:10,894
I knew Kalief was getting out of hand.
838
00:37:10,996 --> 00:37:12,495
Once they tried
to put the cuffs on him,
839
00:37:12,598 --> 00:37:15,031
it just brought back
flashbacks.
840
00:37:15,133 --> 00:37:17,901
Well, they took us to the precinct,
841
00:37:18,003 --> 00:37:21,671
and they charged us with resisting arrest.
842
00:37:21,773 --> 00:37:23,306
Once we was in Central Booking,
843
00:37:23,408 --> 00:37:24,908
he just started pacing back and forth,
844
00:37:25,010 --> 00:37:26,943
and I could see it in his eyes, like,
845
00:37:27,045 --> 00:37:30,180
Rikers is just flicking
in his head over and over
846
00:37:30,282 --> 00:37:31,581
like this is the first step.
847
00:37:31,683 --> 00:37:34,184
It's like he's reliving
his thing all over again.
848
00:37:34,286 --> 00:37:37,687
All he kept worrying about was school, school, school.
849
00:37:37,789 --> 00:37:39,589
"I gotta make it to school."
850
00:37:39,691 --> 00:37:41,424
Once Prestia came and got us,
851
00:37:41,526 --> 00:37:43,093
he just went straight to school.
852
00:37:43,195 --> 00:37:49,766
♪ ♪
853
00:37:49,868 --> 00:37:54,204
- He had a situation where he had to go back to court.
854
00:37:54,306 --> 00:37:57,540
And, um, his demeanor
just literally dropped
855
00:37:57,643 --> 00:38:01,244
like his whole soul left him.
856
00:38:01,346 --> 00:38:03,513
- Not too long after Kalief was arrested,
857
00:38:03,615 --> 00:38:06,416
I had a call from one of
the attorneys for the city.
858
00:38:06,518 --> 00:38:08,818
I was just calling to follow up.
859
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,187
It wasn't their prerogative to settle the case.
860
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,127
This was the city
that [bleep] him.
861
00:38:17,229 --> 00:38:18,528
And now they were
doing it again:
862
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:20,630
dragging this case out,
863
00:38:20,732 --> 00:38:21,798
doubting him,
864
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:23,066
being cynical,
865
00:38:23,168 --> 00:38:25,935
saying to me,
"Maybe he wasn't a good kid.
866
00:38:26,038 --> 00:38:27,771
"Maybe he did
do something wrong.
867
00:38:27,873 --> 00:38:29,639
Maybe he did rob that guy."
868
00:38:29,741 --> 00:38:30,974
What?
869
00:38:31,076 --> 00:38:33,977
Dude, they [bleep]
dismissed the case.
870
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:35,912
It's not even an issue.
871
00:38:36,014 --> 00:38:40,317
♪ ♪
872
00:38:40,419 --> 00:38:41,551
He was frustrated.
873
00:38:41,653 --> 00:38:43,820
He was like, "When can I move on from this?
874
00:38:43,922 --> 00:38:46,790
Now they don't believe me?"
875
00:38:46,892 --> 00:38:48,525
- Good morning, Mr. Browder.
876
00:38:48,627 --> 00:38:49,726
So as you're aware,
877
00:38:49,828 --> 00:38:51,227
this is our third day of deposition
878
00:38:51,330 --> 00:38:52,629
in this matter.
879
00:38:52,731 --> 00:38:55,332
- There were a lot of questions asked over and over,
880
00:38:55,434 --> 00:39:00,470
as to the way that
he actually hung a noose
881
00:39:00,572 --> 00:39:02,672
around his neck in solitary.
882
00:39:02,774 --> 00:39:04,941
- So which did you do first?
883
00:39:05,043 --> 00:39:08,511
Did you tie it around your neck or around the ceiling first?
884
00:39:08,613 --> 00:39:09,979
How many times did you knot it?
885
00:39:10,082 --> 00:39:11,514
- About once or twice.
886
00:39:11,616 --> 00:39:12,916
- Was it loose around your neck,
887
00:39:13,018 --> 00:39:14,851
tight around your neck?
888
00:39:14,953 --> 00:39:17,520
- The attorney was really hammering him
889
00:39:17,622 --> 00:39:19,189
about these suicide attempts,
890
00:39:19,291 --> 00:39:21,157
you know, almost as if she didn't believe him.
891
00:39:21,259 --> 00:39:23,193
- And how did you tie it around your neck?
892
00:39:23,295 --> 00:39:25,161
- I tied it around my neck in a knot...
893
00:39:25,263 --> 00:39:26,563
- How did you do it?
894
00:39:26,665 --> 00:39:29,366
- Wrapped it around my neck and then I made a knot.
895
00:39:29,468 --> 00:39:31,334
- That's a really sensitive thing to question,
896
00:39:31,436 --> 00:39:34,838
if somebody's actually
gonna kill themselves.
897
00:39:34,940 --> 00:39:38,108
- Kalief, I'm walking you through this step by step,
898
00:39:38,210 --> 00:39:40,543
and you have said five or more times
899
00:39:40,645 --> 00:39:44,881
that as soon as we looped it through you tied it
900
00:39:44,983 --> 00:39:46,549
and then you tied it to your neck.
901
00:39:46,651 --> 00:39:48,284
It's not making sense to me.
902
00:39:48,387 --> 00:39:51,221
- I hadn't seen him that angry in while.
903
00:39:51,323 --> 00:39:54,524
They were implying that he was lying
904
00:39:54,626 --> 00:39:58,895
when all he's done this entire time is be truthful.
905
00:39:58,997 --> 00:40:01,431
Maybe one day
it'll all make sense.
906
00:40:04,970 --> 00:40:07,937
[hissing, garbled voices]
907
00:40:10,842 --> 00:40:14,577
- He was reading messages every 15 minutes.
908
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:17,414
He kept saying,
"Ma, they after me."
909
00:40:17,516 --> 00:40:20,750
Whatever it was, it terrified him.
910
00:40:20,852 --> 00:40:23,753
And he tried showing a message to me,
911
00:40:23,855 --> 00:40:28,425
but I didn't see what he saw.
912
00:40:28,527 --> 00:40:30,994
Kalief doesn't cry,
913
00:40:31,096 --> 00:40:33,530
but his eyes
started to fill up with tears
914
00:40:33,632 --> 00:40:35,098
and he was terri--
915
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,866
whatever these messages were.
916
00:40:36,968 --> 00:40:39,769
He's, "Ma, they warned--
they said they warned me,
917
00:40:39,871 --> 00:40:42,338
"and I didn't listen,
so my life is over.
918
00:40:42,441 --> 00:40:43,606
They're coming after me."
919
00:40:48,346 --> 00:40:51,214
The next morning, I made breakfast.
920
00:40:51,316 --> 00:40:53,750
Kalief don't turn down food.
921
00:40:53,852 --> 00:40:55,452
But this particular morning,
he said,
922
00:40:55,554 --> 00:40:57,320
"No, I'm good, Ma.
You eat it."
923
00:41:01,526 --> 00:41:03,493
- He was like "Kamal, where you going?"
924
00:41:03,595 --> 00:41:07,030
I'm like, "I'm going to orientation for a job."
925
00:41:07,132 --> 00:41:08,932
He gave me a hug;
he was like "Yo,
926
00:41:09,034 --> 00:41:11,468
"I'm proud to call you
my brother.
927
00:41:11,570 --> 00:41:13,636
You're doing something
with your life."
928
00:41:16,575 --> 00:41:18,007
He never did that.
929
00:41:21,313 --> 00:41:23,480
- Kalief came in the room.
930
00:41:23,582 --> 00:41:26,282
He said, "Ma, are you all right?"
931
00:41:26,384 --> 00:41:29,319
I said, "Yeah, I'm okay."
932
00:41:29,421 --> 00:41:31,354
I heard all this moving upstairs.
933
00:41:33,959 --> 00:41:36,125
All of a sudden, I hear...
934
00:41:36,228 --> 00:41:37,527
boom!
935
00:41:39,764 --> 00:41:43,166
[siren wails distantly]
936
00:41:43,268 --> 00:41:47,971
When I opened the back door, I saw him hanging.
937
00:41:49,774 --> 00:41:52,208
I screamed, and I called 911.
938
00:41:53,945 --> 00:41:56,346
Before they took him away,
939
00:41:56,448 --> 00:41:59,549
I asked them,
"Could I at least give him
940
00:41:59,651 --> 00:42:03,653
a last kiss good-bye?"
941
00:42:03,755 --> 00:42:06,356
[sobbing]
942
00:42:06,458 --> 00:42:08,358
And I kissed him on his cheek,
943
00:42:08,460 --> 00:42:12,529
and his--
his face was all swollen.
944
00:42:12,631 --> 00:42:14,030
[sniffles]
945
00:42:14,132 --> 00:42:16,366
And that was it.
946
00:42:16,468 --> 00:42:18,535
Then they took him away.
947
00:42:18,637 --> 00:42:19,869
[sniffles]
948
00:42:19,971 --> 00:42:22,906
[siren wailing distantly]
949
00:42:24,643 --> 00:42:26,509
[sniffles]
950
00:42:26,611 --> 00:42:30,380
[sighs]
951
00:42:30,482 --> 00:42:33,416
[siren wailing]
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