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I know when to come in.
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I'll count. I'll count.
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One, two.
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One, two, three, four.
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Oooh, love to love you, baby
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Oooh, love to love you, baby
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Oooh, love to love you, baby
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Oooh, love to love you, baby
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Oooh, love to love you, baby
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Oooh, love to love you, baby
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Oooh, love to love you, baby
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Oooh, love to love you, baby
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Do it to me again and again
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You put me in such an awful spin
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In a spin in
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Oooh, love to love you, baby
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Oooh, love to love you, baby
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Oooh, love to love you, baby
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It's so good...
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Ooh, heaven knows
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Heaven knows...
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Ooh, I feel love
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I feel love...
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I feel love
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I feel love
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I have a secret life.
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You're looking at me,
but what you see is not what I am.
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How many roles do I play
in my own life?
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Who is she?
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When I
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Believe in miracles that happen
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You wanna sing now?
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You want me to do the camera?
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- Yup.
- Okay, you sing.
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Is this Brooklyn?
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Yes.
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Oh, Brooklyn.
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How you doing today?
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Hey, Auntie Mary.
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I'm calling because
I may need some help.
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I'm trying to figure out
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the many pieces
of who Mom really was.
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You know, she...
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was complicated
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and struggled with her fame
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her... her image.
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And even love.
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- What do you see?
- People.
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- Yeah.
- Hi, people.
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Boo boo, how you doing?
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Fine
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- Is it working?
- Yeah.
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Mom, may I see, too?
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Not right now.
Go out and play.
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- Dance. I gotta get you.
- What's your name?
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Brooklyn.
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I'm four.
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- What's your name?
- Amanda.
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- How old are you?
- Two.
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- And a half.
- When's your birthday?
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Five.
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- And what's your name?
- Mimi.
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Move your arms, Mimi,
as much as you can.
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- I can't see.
- Well, squinch.
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Come on.
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Growing up, I was in the studio
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with Mom all night long.
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We'd go to sleep on the couch
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in the engineering room.
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It was sort of a rollercoaster ride
for everyone.
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She was really famous,
and everyone wanted her.
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There was this element of her
always having to be public.
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But Mommy was a very private
person in a lot of ways.
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With Mom
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a lot of her life revolved
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around privacy and secrecy.
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We were never allowed in her room.
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The door was always locked.
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We would find out things
by reading newspaper articles
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they had clipped out
and hidden in places.
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I actually remember the first time
that we heard Love to Love You.
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Didn't even know it existed.
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Brooklyn came in the room
and was like
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"Have I got a song for you to hear!"
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When I wrote Love to Love You Baby
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I did not write it to be a song.
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I wrote it as a concept
for someone else to write a lyric to.
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Oh, love to love you baby
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I just made up a voice
and kinda tried to create a vibe.
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Amanda, remember when we were like
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"Who is this woman?"
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I mean, I don't think
she had any idea
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that this vibe was gonna
completely change her life.
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Love to Love You Baby
was becoming, like, this world symbol
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of freedom, of liberation.
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Things would begin to happen.
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People would begin to, you know,
like, rip their clothes off
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and throw them on the stage
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and bras, underwear.
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They didn't know
it was gonna be, like, that racy.
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The audience would get
completely uncontrollable.
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And it... was kinda terrifying.
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It wasn't me,
and it was something I was playing.
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It was a role.
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Everyone that knew me
would call me up and say
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"That... that's not you, is it?"
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Then I would say, "Yeah, that's me."
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And they would just say,
"Nah, come on."
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What's hot right now? Disco?
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Disco is a phenomenon.
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It's... it's the hottest thing
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that has hit the music business.
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I mean, millions and millions
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of records are selling
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and Donna is the biggest.
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Was it tough to get her
that first hit
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or did... or did one thing happen
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that you... that you knew
that put her over the top?
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- Give me an example.
- Okay, Donna...
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Donna was a star in Europe.
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She was not doing
disco-oriented records.
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She had a... an idea
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and she recorded
Love to Love You Baby
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which was a three-minute-
and-20-second record.
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They brought it to me
after it had failed in Europe
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and I listened to it and I loved it.
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And I put it out here
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and nothing happened.
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About a month later
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I was playing it at a party
I had at my house
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and someone said
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"Play that again."
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I put it back on
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and the record finished
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and someone said, "Play that again."
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I said, "The record's too short.
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They keep asking for more."
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So I went upstairs,
and I called Germany
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where the record was produced,
and I said
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"Give me a 20-minute version."
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What we did is we came up
with a... a promotional idea.
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If we can get some radio stations
to play just at midnight
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and say, "Tune in
for 20 minutes of love."
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I was at the house listening to it
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and realized, "Wait a minute.
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That's... that's Donna.
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That's my sister.
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She said she was gonna be famous
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and she did it.
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She's on the radio."
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Unknown singer Donna Summer
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recorded a song
I Love To Love You Baby.
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It started a new phase
in the recording industry
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Sex Rock.
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I actually believe that
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it was pretty much the gay community
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that broke that record.
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I heard it the first time
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while I was listening
to underground radio.
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Like a college station
that played stuff
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that you could not play
in the daytime.
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I don't know. It was probably
about twelve-thirty, one o'clock.
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And I hear this song come on.
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A controversial record has been
making radio executives nervous
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all over the world.
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It was banned recently by
the BBC in England
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and in spite of that,
it's sold over 1 million albums.
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Oh, my god, this is...
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I'm listening to Love to Love You
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and I'm like, and it's going on
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and on...
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And I'm like, "Oh, my god.
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I think this is the record
that she said
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that wasn't gonna sound like her."
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And Grandma said
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"I'm never gonna be able
to go to church again."
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{\an5}She knew that I was gonna be
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{\an5}shocked, okay?
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{\an5}And to say the least
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{\an5}I was shocked
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because in my heart
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I always wanted her to be
a gospel singer.
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{\an5}When Donna sang in church
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{\an5}it would give you a vibrating
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{\an5}feeling that you know, you...
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they give you something that...
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well, that, to me, no other singer
that I heard in the church, gave me.
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It started really with my dad.
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He used to get me and...
and make me come to the living room
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and he says, "Listen.
Listen to this record
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and sing just like this record."
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Elijah Rock shout, shout
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Elijah Rock coming up Lord
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Elijah Rock shout, shout
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Elijah Rock coming up Lord
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I listened to Mahalia Jackson
and... and said
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"You know, she... somehow,
she has what I want."
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I would just listen
and listen for hours.
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Elijah
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Elijah
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Our favorite way to spend our time
was putting on shows
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on the front porch or the back stoop.
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And when the neighbors
would hear you singing
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they would stop on their way home.
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Hallelujah!
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Elijah Rock, shout...
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Elijah Rock coming up, Lord!
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Boston in the 1950s
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was not a friendly
city to people of color.
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We were black.
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Anything could happen to you.
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Kids from the other part
of the project
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the white part, as we used to call it
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would beat on us and tell us
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we were not welcome in their area.
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One day
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one of the kids chased us
back to our part of the projects
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and there was a wire
strung from one fence to another.
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I saw it. I went under it
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and I turned and looked
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and Donna had hit it with her chin.
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She had that little clip on her chin
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and it never went away.
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Tell everybody
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He's been a rock and a shelter for me
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I felt like I was barred for life
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and there was never gonna be a way
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that I would ever be attractive.
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Feeling ugly, feeling inadequate.
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- I was scarred.
- Elijah Rock
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I'm coming up
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Elijah...
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When I was about eight years old
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one of the ladies
in my church got sick
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and she was supposed to sing.
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The minister came to me
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and he said, "Can you sing today?"
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I was petrified. I mean, petrified.
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But I got up anyway,
and I stood up to sing.
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And all of a sudden, this voice
came out that I didn't know.
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It just came outta me.
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And everyone in my family
will remember this
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because they all were...
everybody was in tears.
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I was in tears,
and my family was in tears.
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Everyone in the whole church
was in tears.
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And it was a... a striking feeling
of "God, I'm blessed.
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I know I'm gonna be famous," and...
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Once upon a time, once upon a time
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Once upon a time, once upon a time
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Auntie Mary
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Mom was a dreamer.
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You know, she could shapeshift
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in and out of characters.
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How did this show up
in her performances?
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Donna's shows were theatrical.
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There was always a story.
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There was a heroine.
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There was a problem.
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And in the end, she overcame.
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She thought in theater.
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Once upon a time...
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in the land of Never Never...
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there lived a little girl
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who believes
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that all things were possible.
266
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I know a lot of people won't think
that she was a forerunner
267
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but she really was.
268
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She was thinking about things
outside of the box
269
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- that they wanted to keep her in.
- Do you want me in here?
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- She wasn't having it.
- Somebody, please let me out!
271
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- I'll keep running
- By her stepping out in those areas
272
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it did allow other people of color
273
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to step out of the box
that they had her in.
274
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Hey, you better get me out.
275
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I can't breathe. I need help.
276
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It seems like the whole world's
closing in on me
277
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Please, somebody help
278
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I thought that, you know,
if you really were a star
279
00:16:02,429 --> 00:16:03,848
you had to be on
The Johnny Carson Show
280
00:16:03,931 --> 00:16:06,016
so that was... it was always
my biggest dream.
281
00:16:06,100 --> 00:16:07,267
I said, "I know I'm a star
282
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when I've done
The Johnny Carson Show."
283
00:16:09,478 --> 00:16:11,355
What do you see down the road?
Picture yourself that maybe...
284
00:16:11,438 --> 00:16:13,398
maybe you'd have... would have
successful recordings now?
285
00:16:13,482 --> 00:16:14,942
- You like to...
- Developing.
286
00:16:15,025 --> 00:16:18,111
You know, I'm... I'm studying
to become a director myself
287
00:16:18,862 --> 00:16:21,281
so I have my own little video studio
set up at home.
288
00:16:21,490 --> 00:16:22,908
Yeah, that's super.
Somebody told me you had made...
289
00:16:22,991 --> 00:16:24,326
- Any actors out there?
- Yeah.
290
00:16:26,286 --> 00:16:28,121
No, you know what he's like.
You're not interviewing.
291
00:16:28,204 --> 00:16:29,247
- You're the husband.
- All right, Mary
292
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well, push over, just a hair.
293
00:16:30,540 --> 00:16:31,583
When you're on the road for
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a long time or you might have
295
00:16:32,792 --> 00:16:34,877
a day off between another show
296
00:16:35,044 --> 00:16:36,212
and you're stuck in a hotel
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in Podunk, Iowa
298
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you find things to do.
299
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And God help us.
300
00:16:42,093 --> 00:16:45,179
Donna bought herself a camera
301
00:16:46,138 --> 00:16:47,181
a movie camera.
302
00:16:49,308 --> 00:16:51,769
And she was expecting us
to make movies.
303
00:16:56,607 --> 00:16:57,649
No, you didn't.
304
00:16:57,733 --> 00:16:59,651
Now, you know what we go through
every single night.
305
00:17:01,278 --> 00:17:04,072
She would direct us
and, "Do this and do that."
306
00:17:05,032 --> 00:17:06,783
And we all played the game.
307
00:17:07,367 --> 00:17:08,493
Some of it was funny
308
00:17:08,577 --> 00:17:10,579
and some of it, it got us in trouble.
309
00:17:11,162 --> 00:17:12,539
You better get away from my camera.
310
00:17:12,956 --> 00:17:14,874
You wanna leave
for California tomorrow, don't you?
311
00:17:21,381 --> 00:17:22,632
And so it was like
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"I'm never doing that again.
313
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I'm not doing it."
314
00:17:27,386 --> 00:17:29,722
She's like, "Come on.
Come on, Mary. Come on."
315
00:17:31,349 --> 00:17:33,434
And she was fun, and...
316
00:17:33,517 --> 00:17:34,560
and she was funny.
317
00:17:41,442 --> 00:17:42,943
Well, I get vibration.
318
00:17:43,152 --> 00:17:45,154
You're going to go far away one day.
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00:17:45,237 --> 00:17:46,280
You watch. You see.
320
00:17:46,363 --> 00:17:49,449
You're going to be very, very famous.
I'm telling you.
321
00:17:49,533 --> 00:17:51,952
But could you just tell me about
what's gonna happen next week?
322
00:17:52,619 --> 00:17:54,955
Next week, you're gonna have to
finish up something
323
00:17:55,038 --> 00:17:56,081
you started this week.
324
00:17:56,456 --> 00:17:58,166
But that's... but that's so general.
325
00:17:58,333 --> 00:17:59,793
That's $2.
326
00:18:00,085 --> 00:18:01,127
Like...
327
00:18:01,503 --> 00:18:02,921
- Are you married?
- No.
328
00:18:03,755 --> 00:18:04,798
You will be married.
329
00:18:06,382 --> 00:18:08,051
You're going to take a journey.
330
00:18:09,469 --> 00:18:10,762
You wanna know where you gonna go?
331
00:18:10,845 --> 00:18:14,015
No, I wanna know what school
I'm gonna get in before this.
332
00:18:15,057 --> 00:18:16,100
What the fuck? You gotta be...
333
00:18:16,184 --> 00:18:19,937
You're gonna go far away,
across the sea, in the air.
334
00:18:27,861 --> 00:18:29,238
When she was in high school
335
00:18:29,488 --> 00:18:31,031
she started working with a band
336
00:18:31,115 --> 00:18:32,157
called The Crow.
337
00:18:32,783 --> 00:18:34,576
She would sneak out a lot at night
338
00:18:34,785 --> 00:18:36,203
and go sing in clubs.
339
00:18:37,788 --> 00:18:40,707
Oh, you made me feel so bad
340
00:18:40,791 --> 00:18:41,833
All the band was white.
341
00:18:42,542 --> 00:18:44,503
I was "the crow."
342
00:18:45,587 --> 00:18:48,798
And they really wanted her
to be like the black Janis Joplin.
343
00:18:48,965 --> 00:18:50,008
You know what I mean?
344
00:18:50,091 --> 00:18:52,969
So after, I think she heard the way
Janis Joplin sang
345
00:18:53,595 --> 00:18:55,430
she felt like, "I can do this."
346
00:18:55,930 --> 00:18:59,517
Come on...
347
00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,561
Come on, and take it
348
00:19:01,853 --> 00:19:04,647
Take another little piece
Of my heart now, baby
349
00:19:04,730 --> 00:19:06,023
You know, coming out of church
350
00:19:06,107 --> 00:19:08,067
and... and seeing Janis Joplin
351
00:19:08,276 --> 00:19:10,486
this wild-haired woman with no bra on
352
00:19:10,569 --> 00:19:13,280
and... and literally a jug of whiskey
in her hand.
353
00:19:14,657 --> 00:19:16,784
I hadn't ever been exposed
to something like that.
354
00:19:16,867 --> 00:19:18,243
I mean, that just was not proper.
355
00:19:19,203 --> 00:19:21,747
I remember getting a spanking
for wearing red fingernail polish
356
00:19:21,997 --> 00:19:24,708
because to my father,
red fingernail polish meant...
357
00:19:25,083 --> 00:19:27,127
That was what whores wore,
in his mind.
358
00:19:27,919 --> 00:19:30,756
We wore slips, and more slips,
and girdles
359
00:19:30,839 --> 00:19:32,174
and it just don't jiggle.
360
00:19:34,217 --> 00:19:36,928
Can't understand
361
00:19:37,262 --> 00:19:40,432
Why this whole world
362
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,935
Keeps pulling me down
363
00:19:44,269 --> 00:19:45,311
To the ground
364
00:19:45,395 --> 00:19:47,563
There was a lot of pressure
in being a black woman.
365
00:19:47,647 --> 00:19:48,856
A lot of pressure.
366
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:51,943
Being a woman is bad enough.
367
00:19:52,026 --> 00:19:54,654
And being a black woman
was like a double whammy.
368
00:20:01,327 --> 00:20:03,537
Summer of '68, I was 19 years old
369
00:20:05,914 --> 00:20:07,458
I was in sort of a limbo state.
370
00:20:13,297 --> 00:20:15,590
I originally went outta Boston to...
371
00:20:16,049 --> 00:20:18,635
to pursue a singing career
in New York with my band.
372
00:20:21,513 --> 00:20:23,556
So here I am.
I'm in New York, and, you know
373
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,350
I feel a little bit freer
than I feel in Boston.
374
00:20:25,433 --> 00:20:26,768
I don't have anybody
looking over my shoulder.
375
00:20:29,437 --> 00:20:32,482
Feeling like, you know, there was
a future waiting for me somewhere
376
00:20:32,565 --> 00:20:33,691
and I just needed to discover
377
00:20:33,775 --> 00:20:36,652
what key it was
that was gonna turn the lock
378
00:20:36,736 --> 00:20:38,738
that was gonna open the door
to that future.
379
00:20:43,326 --> 00:20:46,579
There was just music pouring out
of every doorway
380
00:20:47,329 --> 00:20:51,125
and you became part of
this whole tapestry of movement
381
00:20:51,208 --> 00:20:52,876
that was happening in the country
382
00:20:53,502 --> 00:20:55,546
you know,
enjoying the whole environment
383
00:20:55,629 --> 00:20:57,005
of just being kind of a hippie.
384
00:21:00,467 --> 00:21:02,636
I'm trying to figure out
what's going on in my life.
385
00:21:03,595 --> 00:21:06,306
I lived above the Cafe Wha?
on the top floor
386
00:21:06,556 --> 00:21:07,724
with a couple of people.
387
00:21:11,811 --> 00:21:13,480
The director of Hair came
to the house
388
00:21:13,563 --> 00:21:14,689
with the girl that I live with.
389
00:21:15,148 --> 00:21:17,400
I happened to be singing
around the house at the time
390
00:21:18,026 --> 00:21:19,194
and he heard me and he said
391
00:21:19,277 --> 00:21:20,612
"Well, I'm having an audition
on Thursday
392
00:21:20,695 --> 00:21:21,738
would you come down?"
393
00:21:21,946 --> 00:21:23,406
And that was the turning point.
394
00:21:24,532 --> 00:21:25,783
Within two weeks, I was out of it.
395
00:21:26,742 --> 00:21:27,785
I went to Germany.
396
00:21:32,289 --> 00:21:34,959
Wenn der Mond
397
00:21:35,042 --> 00:21:38,462
Im siebten Hause steht
398
00:21:38,671 --> 00:21:42,966
Und Jupiter auf Mars zugeht
399
00:21:43,050 --> 00:21:46,970
Being 19 years old in Germany
and coming of age
400
00:21:47,346 --> 00:21:50,474
having the hippie revolution
kind of on my heels
401
00:21:51,892 --> 00:21:54,686
and being a person
who is craving change
402
00:21:55,729 --> 00:21:57,814
was a door to an entire reality.
403
00:22:00,025 --> 00:22:01,609
There were really kinda no limits.
404
00:22:03,528 --> 00:22:05,488
Sort of newfound freedom.
405
00:22:15,915 --> 00:22:20,294
Being in Germany
gave me license to be myself
406
00:22:21,462 --> 00:22:23,589
and I hadn't had that license before.
407
00:22:30,262 --> 00:22:31,305
For the first time
408
00:22:31,388 --> 00:22:33,015
she was accepted in a way
409
00:22:33,098 --> 00:22:34,850
that we were never accepted
410
00:22:34,933 --> 00:22:35,976
in America.
411
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:37,769
Blacks were at a premium.
412
00:22:38,103 --> 00:22:40,147
They saw you walking down
the street and said
413
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:41,523
"Oh, we've gotta have that."
414
00:22:47,654 --> 00:22:49,656
I got a lot of press
because at that time
415
00:22:49,739 --> 00:22:52,200
there were very few
black women in Germany.
416
00:22:56,955 --> 00:22:58,498
You were just constantly on display
417
00:22:58,581 --> 00:23:00,291
no matter where you went,
no matter what you did.
418
00:23:00,833 --> 00:23:02,210
It was just an open door.
419
00:23:03,085 --> 00:23:05,046
I was tall and very thin at the time
420
00:23:05,421 --> 00:23:07,381
and there were
a lot of photographers there
421
00:23:07,465 --> 00:23:08,924
and I just got a lot of work.
422
00:23:11,427 --> 00:23:12,678
- Helmuth.
- Yeah.
423
00:23:12,761 --> 00:23:16,140
I wanna know
how you actually got together.
424
00:23:16,473 --> 00:23:19,810
I met Donna during the musical, Hair.
425
00:23:20,686 --> 00:23:22,729
Of course I was attracted.
426
00:23:23,605 --> 00:23:24,982
Donna had the best voice
427
00:23:25,065 --> 00:23:29,152
so everybody was admiring
this gift that she had.
428
00:23:31,071 --> 00:23:34,115
We were just in kind of a love
for each other.
429
00:23:34,449 --> 00:23:37,202
This is the feeling
that I remember a lot.
430
00:23:37,494 --> 00:23:41,456
She was really a funny girl
when she was in a good mood.
431
00:23:44,959 --> 00:23:47,170
When Mimi was born
432
00:23:48,087 --> 00:23:52,049
Donna's reaction was
a little bit kind of distanced.
433
00:23:53,926 --> 00:23:55,303
I was never that maternal.
434
00:23:55,469 --> 00:23:58,264
I never actually thought I would ever
have kids until I had one.
435
00:23:59,682 --> 00:24:02,476
I just... It just was... It was...
436
00:24:02,893 --> 00:24:05,229
There was...
there was too much fire in me.
437
00:24:09,900 --> 00:24:11,151
When I was born
438
00:24:11,235 --> 00:24:12,486
Mommy was ready to break out.
439
00:24:14,738 --> 00:24:17,616
Her dream was just bigger.
440
00:24:20,619 --> 00:24:22,537
She knew more was on the horizon
441
00:24:23,246 --> 00:24:25,248
and you could not contain her.
442
00:24:25,582 --> 00:24:28,168
So they separated when I was two.
443
00:24:29,794 --> 00:24:32,171
I pretty much stayed
with my grandparents after that.
444
00:24:36,175 --> 00:24:39,220
I went through a manner
of manic depression
445
00:24:39,428 --> 00:24:41,264
to be the one to have to say,
"I'm leaving."
446
00:24:42,598 --> 00:24:44,600
The guilt of that was so strong.
447
00:24:45,351 --> 00:24:47,895
I'm taking my daughter's father away.
448
00:24:57,654 --> 00:24:59,573
Donna Summer!
449
00:25:07,706 --> 00:25:11,293
They call her
450
00:25:12,168 --> 00:25:18,758
The lady of the night
451
00:25:19,926 --> 00:25:23,930
She's a woman of the world
452
00:25:24,055 --> 00:25:25,765
I had started to record some...
453
00:25:26,474 --> 00:25:28,392
what the Germans call Schlager songs
454
00:25:28,935 --> 00:25:32,521
kind of corny, bubblegummy
for the European market.
455
00:25:34,398 --> 00:25:37,151
So I had kind of developed
a little bit of a career.
456
00:25:42,031 --> 00:25:44,658
Oooh, something coming over me...
457
00:25:44,741 --> 00:25:46,034
I remember calling her
458
00:25:46,243 --> 00:25:47,786
and... and she was in Munich
459
00:25:48,287 --> 00:25:49,871
and saying, "Are you sexy?"
460
00:25:50,497 --> 00:25:52,707
And she went, "I don't know."
461
00:25:52,916 --> 00:25:55,085
"Could we spotlight you in Playboy?"
462
00:25:55,168 --> 00:25:57,212
And she went, "Oh, absolutely not."
463
00:25:59,130 --> 00:26:02,634
You know, she was living
a very kinda quiet life
464
00:26:02,717 --> 00:26:04,052
in... in Munich.
465
00:26:04,928 --> 00:26:08,056
And when we brought her over
to New York
466
00:26:08,264 --> 00:26:10,391
we brought her over as a major star.
467
00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:14,061
I came up with
"The First Lady of Love" for Donna.
468
00:26:14,437 --> 00:26:15,813
That's what Neil was selling.
469
00:26:16,147 --> 00:26:18,691
You're gonna make love
to this wonderful record
470
00:26:19,233 --> 00:26:20,276
Love to Love You Baby.
471
00:26:31,036 --> 00:26:32,204
Neil looked out for every
472
00:26:32,287 --> 00:26:33,997
aspect of my career
473
00:26:34,540 --> 00:26:36,291
that every hair is in place
474
00:26:36,375 --> 00:26:37,834
every smile is right.
475
00:26:38,293 --> 00:26:40,420
"We're gonna give you
the best of everything.
476
00:26:40,629 --> 00:26:42,547
You're gonna look like
you're already rich."
477
00:26:46,968 --> 00:26:48,511
I mean, if I was getting ready
to go on stage
478
00:26:48,595 --> 00:26:50,889
and my nail polish wasn't on my feet,
and somebody was late
479
00:26:51,222 --> 00:26:52,265
he was on his knees.
480
00:26:52,557 --> 00:26:53,600
I kid you not.
481
00:26:55,184 --> 00:26:57,562
He taught me how to dream
on a whole other level.
482
00:27:03,234 --> 00:27:04,860
I didn't have very many friends.
483
00:27:05,444 --> 00:27:07,822
Most of the people
that I was friends with at the time
484
00:27:08,239 --> 00:27:10,491
were in some way involved
in the record business.
485
00:27:10,741 --> 00:27:12,826
So Casablanca
because that was my whole world.
486
00:27:15,371 --> 00:27:18,123
Neil wanted to make it
really special for Donna
487
00:27:18,207 --> 00:27:19,374
so he brought her mom and dad
488
00:27:19,458 --> 00:27:21,043
and her sisters and her brother
489
00:27:21,376 --> 00:27:22,836
to her New York debut.
490
00:27:24,296 --> 00:27:29,217
It was opposite
of the culture of our family.
491
00:27:34,222 --> 00:27:37,392
She was really never that sexy,
sultry person.
492
00:27:38,268 --> 00:27:41,771
But even though that persona
they had given it to her
493
00:27:42,021 --> 00:27:45,149
that persona was the door
that took her where she needed to go.
494
00:27:51,948 --> 00:27:54,659
Well, obviously,
America was ready for it.
495
00:27:55,618 --> 00:27:58,871
Was Donna Summer ready
for the stardom name in lights
496
00:27:59,288 --> 00:28:00,331
bodyguards?
497
00:28:03,250 --> 00:28:05,586
Yeah, I have a very hard time,
not being myself.
498
00:28:06,837 --> 00:28:09,673
And there are times
when you can't be yourself
499
00:28:10,340 --> 00:28:12,217
and you can't be
the way you'd like to be.
500
00:28:12,301 --> 00:28:14,011
And that's goofy, or funny
501
00:28:14,094 --> 00:28:15,595
or whatever you are as a human being
502
00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:17,931
as a person offstage.
503
00:28:18,348 --> 00:28:20,225
So what I'm trying to do more
and more now
504
00:28:20,308 --> 00:28:21,935
is to become myself on stage
505
00:28:22,018 --> 00:28:24,104
so that when I'm offstage,
it doesn't matter.
506
00:28:25,105 --> 00:28:27,774
And so that the same person
you meet in this room
507
00:28:27,857 --> 00:28:29,400
is the same person onstage.
508
00:28:36,324 --> 00:28:37,909
- Fever
- Summer
509
00:28:39,577 --> 00:28:41,829
- Summer fever
- Fever
510
00:28:43,664 --> 00:28:45,791
It's the time of love
511
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,960
The time of year
512
00:28:48,460 --> 00:28:52,715
Temperatures rising
Our bodies near in fever
513
00:28:53,215 --> 00:28:54,258
Summer
514
00:28:55,467 --> 00:28:56,844
Summer fever
515
00:28:57,135 --> 00:28:58,178
Fever
516
00:28:59,930 --> 00:29:02,391
Giorgio, growing up,
my mom always spoke
517
00:29:02,474 --> 00:29:06,228
about how important you were
to her life.
518
00:29:07,062 --> 00:29:08,438
How did you guys meet?
519
00:29:10,482 --> 00:29:11,816
We were looking for
520
00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:14,235
some American or English singers
521
00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:15,361
for a demo.
522
00:29:15,570 --> 00:29:18,239
Donna came, and we did the vocals
523
00:29:18,323 --> 00:29:19,657
and we were very happy.
524
00:29:25,204 --> 00:29:26,414
So I started working with Giorgio
525
00:29:26,497 --> 00:29:28,332
and this is the beginning
of a great relationship.
526
00:29:28,749 --> 00:29:30,334
Giorgio really took me under his wing
527
00:29:30,418 --> 00:29:32,211
even before I had a hit record.
528
00:29:32,586 --> 00:29:33,796
He was like a mentor.
529
00:29:34,296 --> 00:29:36,882
He was a redeeming factor in my life
530
00:29:36,966 --> 00:29:38,467
from some of the abusive men
531
00:29:38,550 --> 00:29:40,886
or men figures that I had had
in the past
532
00:29:41,428 --> 00:29:44,389
or people I had chosen to trust
who were not worthy of that trust.
533
00:29:44,932 --> 00:29:46,642
Georgio was the antithesis of that.
534
00:29:47,893 --> 00:29:50,103
- You wanna put a fender on?
- A fender, yes.
535
00:29:50,187 --> 00:29:51,354
- Make it a little fuller?
- Yeah.
536
00:29:51,646 --> 00:29:54,774
I had a... I had
a very close relationship with her.
537
00:29:55,025 --> 00:29:56,818
She definitely trusted us.
538
00:29:57,068 --> 00:29:59,863
And in fact, whatever we did,
we did well.
539
00:30:01,865 --> 00:30:04,367
I came up with the...
with Georgio with the...
540
00:30:05,994 --> 00:30:07,036
I feel love
541
00:30:07,287 --> 00:30:08,329
It fit well.
542
00:30:10,415 --> 00:30:12,625
Which just changed the face
of music for a while.
543
00:30:13,042 --> 00:30:14,919
I mean, I figure it was like
maybe a year or two
544
00:30:15,002 --> 00:30:16,170
after Love To Love You Baby.
545
00:30:18,547 --> 00:30:21,175
I said, "Wow, great.
This is totally new."
546
00:30:21,509 --> 00:30:22,551
When I went in to do it
547
00:30:22,635 --> 00:30:25,304
I had the sense that I was floating.
548
00:30:25,888 --> 00:30:27,890
And that's what we wanted to maintain
549
00:30:27,973 --> 00:30:29,433
that floaty kind of
550
00:30:29,516 --> 00:30:32,060
that elation that you feel
when you're in love.
551
00:30:32,144 --> 00:30:33,187
That kind of...
552
00:30:33,270 --> 00:30:37,024
I think it's probably one
of the most innovative songs around.
553
00:30:37,107 --> 00:30:44,656
I feel love
554
00:30:45,115 --> 00:30:46,533
This was the very first
555
00:30:47,075 --> 00:30:49,119
drum machine click trick
556
00:30:49,327 --> 00:30:50,578
ever used in music.
557
00:30:51,412 --> 00:30:54,624
We weren't listening
to what other people were doing
558
00:30:54,707 --> 00:30:56,834
and trying to emulate.
559
00:30:57,502 --> 00:30:58,753
We were forging ahead.
560
00:30:59,754 --> 00:31:02,173
It sounds grandiose,
but I think others were following.
561
00:31:08,471 --> 00:31:13,809
Whatever dance songs came up
later on with electronics
562
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:16,186
is based on... on I Feel Love.
563
00:31:20,524 --> 00:31:22,025
I remember when I Feel Love came on
564
00:31:22,109 --> 00:31:23,568
at Studio 54
565
00:31:24,778 --> 00:31:26,405
you just stopped in your tracks.
566
00:31:26,905 --> 00:31:28,240
"What is this?"
567
00:31:28,865 --> 00:31:29,908
People screamed.
568
00:31:30,367 --> 00:31:31,618
It just went on and on and on
569
00:31:31,701 --> 00:31:33,161
and you didn't want it to stop.
570
00:31:33,954 --> 00:31:35,080
It sounded like no other record.
571
00:31:36,498 --> 00:31:38,500
It changed the way people
thought about music.
572
00:31:39,125 --> 00:31:43,755
I feel love...
573
00:31:48,176 --> 00:31:55,891
I feel love
574
00:31:55,975 --> 00:32:03,232
I feel love
575
00:32:03,482 --> 00:32:05,192
I feel love
576
00:32:05,275 --> 00:32:06,527
Where do you feel you stand now?
577
00:32:07,111 --> 00:32:10,656
I hope I stand
in a light of legitimacy, I think.
578
00:32:11,698 --> 00:32:13,950
In a place where people will respect
what I do
579
00:32:14,284 --> 00:32:16,620
and understand that any...
any songs that I make
580
00:32:16,703 --> 00:32:17,996
I do because I choose to
581
00:32:18,079 --> 00:32:19,748
and not because
that is my limitation.
582
00:32:20,624 --> 00:32:23,752
How long are you going
to maintain this... this image
583
00:32:23,835 --> 00:32:25,837
that's based on
Love to Love You Baby?
584
00:32:26,546 --> 00:32:28,965
Well, I think I've deviated
from that path already.
585
00:32:29,757 --> 00:32:30,883
I won't even... You know
586
00:32:31,175 --> 00:32:35,763
I hate for it to sound like I'm...
I'm running away from anything
587
00:32:35,847 --> 00:32:36,973
because I'm really not.
588
00:32:37,056 --> 00:32:38,683
I think it's more like...
589
00:32:38,891 --> 00:32:41,394
I'm growing and...
590
00:32:42,687 --> 00:32:44,480
It's like looking at a flower
in the bud
591
00:32:44,563 --> 00:32:46,023
and you first see the bud,
and you say
592
00:32:46,106 --> 00:32:47,983
"Wow, fantastic,
the trees are budding."
593
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,277
And then you go back,
and the leaves are out.
594
00:32:50,361 --> 00:32:52,196
And then finally, there's a flower.
595
00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:53,739
And I feel that
when I came to America
596
00:32:53,822 --> 00:32:55,199
I was in the budding stage.
597
00:32:55,616 --> 00:32:58,452
And maybe I'm springing a leaf
about now
598
00:32:58,910 --> 00:33:00,746
and maybe one day, I'll be a blossom.
599
00:33:06,418 --> 00:33:07,460
Hey, Chico!
600
00:33:09,004 --> 00:33:10,088
Get out of the way!
601
00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:13,633
Get outta the way!
602
00:33:14,926 --> 00:33:17,053
Hey, jerk! I listen to my music!
603
00:33:17,345 --> 00:33:19,389
Hey, I listen to my music!
604
00:33:19,555 --> 00:33:22,475
- Disco been very good to me!
- Yeah!
605
00:33:22,767 --> 00:33:24,894
- Get outta the way!
- Oh, shut up!
606
00:33:32,777 --> 00:33:35,821
If you feel it, feel it right
607
00:33:36,071 --> 00:33:38,866
You got to feel it every night
608
00:33:38,949 --> 00:33:42,661
- Feel that
- And if you feel it, feel it right
609
00:33:42,744 --> 00:33:46,039
You got to feel it every night, yeah
610
00:33:46,123 --> 00:33:49,334
Well, if you feel it, feel it so good
611
00:33:49,418 --> 00:33:52,337
You got to feel it like you should
612
00:33:52,420 --> 00:33:56,007
- Feel that
- And if you feel it, feel it good
613
00:33:56,132 --> 00:33:59,594
- You got to feel it like you should
- Feel that
614
00:33:59,677 --> 00:34:01,679
Take it down, boys. Now...
615
00:34:03,389 --> 00:34:04,432
do you love somebody?
616
00:34:05,433 --> 00:34:07,101
Does everybody here
have somebody they love?
617
00:34:08,394 --> 00:34:09,437
No?
618
00:34:09,645 --> 00:34:11,772
Well, love me for right now, okay?
619
00:34:12,148 --> 00:34:13,399
Just give me a little bit of love
620
00:34:13,608 --> 00:34:14,734
and let me see you stand up.
621
00:34:14,817 --> 00:34:16,235
Stand up out your seats. Come on.
622
00:34:16,986 --> 00:34:20,030
Now let's shake those hips.
Come on. Oh, yeah.
623
00:34:20,281 --> 00:34:21,323
Do you believe in love?
624
00:34:21,949 --> 00:34:22,992
Do you believe in love?
625
00:34:23,617 --> 00:34:24,660
Do you believe in love?
626
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:26,328
Do you believe in love?
627
00:34:26,870 --> 00:34:28,122
Do you believe in love?
628
00:34:28,455 --> 00:34:29,873
Do you believe in love?
629
00:34:30,207 --> 00:34:31,375
Do you believe in love?
630
00:34:31,458 --> 00:34:32,709
Come on shake your hand now.
631
00:34:33,168 --> 00:34:34,586
Do you believe in love?
632
00:34:34,711 --> 00:34:35,754
Come on.
633
00:34:39,132 --> 00:34:40,175
Feel it
634
00:34:41,468 --> 00:34:42,510
Oh, yeah
635
00:34:42,594 --> 00:34:44,721
- Feel it. Feel it
- Feel it
636
00:34:46,139 --> 00:34:48,141
Thank you for coming tonight.
I'm happy to see you.
637
00:34:48,349 --> 00:34:49,392
Thank you for coming.
638
00:34:50,810 --> 00:34:52,896
Thank you, and I love you, too.
Thank you for coming.
639
00:34:53,187 --> 00:34:54,230
Thank you so much.
640
00:35:25,093 --> 00:35:26,928
When you have success
all over the world
641
00:35:27,012 --> 00:35:29,681
and it's very constant, you have it.
642
00:35:29,764 --> 00:35:31,182
It's all the time.
It's everywhere you go.
643
00:35:31,266 --> 00:35:32,767
It's like you never get a break.
644
00:35:34,436 --> 00:35:35,812
I didn't dream about fame that way.
645
00:35:35,895 --> 00:35:36,938
I dreamt about singing.
646
00:35:38,148 --> 00:35:40,984
Whenever I dreamt about fame,
it was being on stage.
647
00:35:41,943 --> 00:35:45,363
It wasn't the accolades and all
the people screaming "I love you."
648
00:35:46,531 --> 00:35:48,407
So when that part came into it
649
00:35:48,491 --> 00:35:49,575
it... it threw me for a loop
650
00:35:49,659 --> 00:35:51,452
because I really didn't have
to deal with that.
651
00:36:26,611 --> 00:36:29,864
We did a demo of Bad Girls,
everything was done.
652
00:36:29,948 --> 00:36:30,990
The song was finished.
653
00:36:31,074 --> 00:36:32,158
We listened to it
over and over again.
654
00:36:32,241 --> 00:36:34,786
I'm like, "There is something
missing to this song."
655
00:36:35,495 --> 00:36:37,246
I think this song needs a hook.
656
00:36:38,581 --> 00:36:39,790
I said, "I got this idea
657
00:36:39,999 --> 00:36:42,001
this imagery of,
'How do you haul a hooker?'"
658
00:36:45,171 --> 00:36:46,213
You're honking your horn.
659
00:36:46,422 --> 00:36:47,590
You're trying to get her attention.
660
00:36:47,673 --> 00:36:48,716
It's like, "Over here."
661
00:36:51,009 --> 00:36:53,387
- Bad girls
- Bad girls
662
00:36:53,971 --> 00:36:57,599
- Talking about the sad girls, yes
- Sad girls
663
00:36:59,017 --> 00:37:01,520
- Bad girls
- Bad girls
664
00:37:01,978 --> 00:37:05,482
Talking about sad girls, yeah
665
00:37:07,150 --> 00:37:10,236
See them out on the street at night
666
00:37:11,237 --> 00:37:14,824
Picking up all kinds of strangers
If the price is right
667
00:37:15,450 --> 00:37:17,994
You can score if your pocket's nice
668
00:37:19,412 --> 00:37:20,455
But you want a good time
669
00:37:20,538 --> 00:37:21,664
Everybody's sang in my family.
670
00:37:21,747 --> 00:37:23,791
My father sang. My mother sang.
671
00:37:27,712 --> 00:37:30,047
Every time my father had company
or my mother had company
672
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,676
my mother would call me
and my sisters into the room
673
00:37:33,926 --> 00:37:34,969
to perform
674
00:37:35,094 --> 00:37:36,470
and they would just go crazy.
675
00:37:41,809 --> 00:37:44,269
So... so we had these
sort of little outlets
676
00:37:44,353 --> 00:37:47,230
of performing a bit of an idea
or insight
677
00:37:47,522 --> 00:37:50,859
as to what it was like
to have people applaud for you.
678
00:37:51,610 --> 00:37:53,695
We did impersonations
as much as we could.
679
00:38:10,628 --> 00:38:13,381
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
We will be back tomorrow night.
680
00:38:13,464 --> 00:38:14,507
See you again. We hope...
681
00:38:14,757 --> 00:38:16,175
Do you live here in California?
682
00:38:16,258 --> 00:38:20,304
I live about,
I think, 40,000 ft above.
683
00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:22,181
Usually in one direction
or the other.
684
00:38:22,264 --> 00:38:23,557
- I... I haven't been home at all.
- You're always in a plane.
685
00:38:23,641 --> 00:38:26,852
Yeah. I haven't been home. Maybe
two-and-a-half months this year.
686
00:38:32,441 --> 00:38:37,112
I'm always amazed
at the amount of songs she released
687
00:38:37,195 --> 00:38:39,030
the press that she did, the tours
688
00:38:39,114 --> 00:38:42,409
from like 1976 to like 1980.
689
00:38:44,369 --> 00:38:45,829
I don't know how she survived it.
690
00:38:47,414 --> 00:38:48,456
During that time
691
00:38:48,540 --> 00:38:50,500
when she was really first famous
692
00:38:50,667 --> 00:38:51,709
I think she knew
693
00:38:52,252 --> 00:38:53,670
that was a part of the game.
694
00:38:55,254 --> 00:38:57,840
I think she understood that
that came with the territory.
695
00:38:58,007 --> 00:38:59,467
And so she... she marched it.
696
00:39:00,635 --> 00:39:02,720
It wasn't that she loved it all.
697
00:39:03,596 --> 00:39:06,182
She just tried to keep her sanity.
698
00:39:09,476 --> 00:39:12,855
How do you think she felt
about the title "Queen of Disco?"
699
00:39:14,106 --> 00:39:15,149
I know she would say, "Hey
700
00:39:15,232 --> 00:39:16,817
it's better to be the queen
of something," you know.
701
00:39:17,734 --> 00:39:20,028
But in some ways, it was love-hate
702
00:39:20,112 --> 00:39:22,030
because, "Yeah, I love disco.
703
00:39:22,114 --> 00:39:23,490
Disco got me here.
704
00:39:23,573 --> 00:39:25,534
But that's not all of who I am."
705
00:39:34,918 --> 00:39:37,504
I had done all those songs
in this made-up voice
706
00:39:37,879 --> 00:39:40,173
so people thought,
"Oh, well, she's a fad.
707
00:39:40,548 --> 00:39:42,800
Oh, she can't really sing.
This girl doesn't sing.
708
00:39:43,718 --> 00:39:45,011
What's the big deal about her?"
709
00:39:48,097 --> 00:39:49,890
You know, you can look at somebody
who's talented
710
00:39:49,974 --> 00:39:53,269
and... and you can know
that they're capable of 20 things
711
00:39:53,352 --> 00:39:55,062
but the audience
doesn't know that yet.
712
00:39:55,396 --> 00:39:57,439
And I always take it
from that point of view
713
00:39:57,523 --> 00:39:59,149
that they just don't know me yet.
714
00:39:59,733 --> 00:40:00,776
That's okay.
715
00:40:03,654 --> 00:40:07,908
Spring was never waiting for us, dear
716
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:11,328
It ran one step ahead
717
00:40:12,037 --> 00:40:13,789
As we followed in
718
00:40:14,122 --> 00:40:15,957
The dance
719
00:40:26,050 --> 00:40:28,636
Between the parted pages
720
00:40:28,803 --> 00:40:30,054
We were pressed
721
00:40:30,847 --> 00:40:33,349
In love's hot, fevered iron
722
00:40:34,058 --> 00:40:37,561
Like a striped pair of pants
723
00:40:46,695 --> 00:40:51,200
MacArthur's Park is melting
In the dark
724
00:40:51,742 --> 00:40:56,622
All the sweet green icing
Flowing down
725
00:40:57,372 --> 00:41:01,626
Someone left my cake out in the rain
726
00:41:02,586 --> 00:41:06,798
I don't think that I can take it
727
00:41:07,007 --> 00:41:10,260
'Cause it took too long to bake it
728
00:41:10,510 --> 00:41:16,265
And I'll never have that recipe again
729
00:41:17,058 --> 00:41:24,315
Again
730
00:41:35,284 --> 00:41:36,327
All right.
731
00:41:38,245 --> 00:41:42,165
Best Rhythm and Blues
Vocal Performance Female is...
732
00:41:45,544 --> 00:41:46,586
Donna Summer.
733
00:41:49,005 --> 00:41:52,008
And the winner is Donna Summer.
734
00:41:54,135 --> 00:41:55,303
Donna Summer.
735
00:41:55,387 --> 00:41:56,846
{\an5}- Donna Summer.
- Live and More.
736
00:41:56,930 --> 00:41:58,389
I knew it. Donna Summer.
737
00:41:58,681 --> 00:41:59,724
All right.
738
00:42:04,646 --> 00:42:05,772
Now, ladies and gentlemen
739
00:42:05,855 --> 00:42:08,775
we're having a moment
of station identification.
740
00:42:27,209 --> 00:42:31,672
We remember so well
the days of lipstick and women.
741
00:42:33,298 --> 00:42:38,720
Well, those were the days
when women used to not smear it on.
742
00:42:39,596 --> 00:42:41,681
They used to molest the lipstick.
743
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:45,435
I was always a comedian.
744
00:42:45,518 --> 00:42:46,561
I was always a clown.
745
00:42:47,479 --> 00:42:50,481
So becoming Donna Summer
the character
746
00:42:50,982 --> 00:42:52,483
I didn't feel sexy at the time
747
00:42:52,567 --> 00:42:54,277
and so I just assumed it as a role.
748
00:42:57,655 --> 00:43:00,032
This time that I spent away from home
749
00:43:00,324 --> 00:43:02,660
away from the mindset
that I grew up in
750
00:43:02,952 --> 00:43:04,662
away from what should be
751
00:43:04,995 --> 00:43:06,705
away from how I should be
752
00:43:08,249 --> 00:43:09,792
is what has made me what I am
753
00:43:10,834 --> 00:43:15,964
and has given me my individuality
away from all of the predictable.
754
00:43:16,798 --> 00:43:18,091
And so I'm unpredictable
755
00:43:18,675 --> 00:43:20,927
and that... that stresses
the crap outta people.
756
00:43:53,793 --> 00:43:55,836
Do you feel like
you're handling your success now?
757
00:43:57,671 --> 00:43:59,631
Sometimes. Shaky. Yeah. Shaky.
758
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,093
I think the part that I really have
to deal with the most is my daughter.
759
00:44:03,635 --> 00:44:04,678
Is she with your folks?
760
00:44:04,761 --> 00:44:07,389
She's with my parents
in... in Massachusetts.
761
00:44:07,723 --> 00:44:09,850
And what is so hard
about it is that
762
00:44:10,058 --> 00:44:11,268
as much as I miss her
763
00:44:11,768 --> 00:44:13,478
and as much as
I want to be with her
764
00:44:13,854 --> 00:44:14,896
as soon as she's there
765
00:44:15,272 --> 00:44:17,607
I have to go back to her way.
766
00:44:17,691 --> 00:44:18,858
It's a constant adjustment.
767
00:44:19,317 --> 00:44:22,070
So the first couple of days,
it's I have to become a parent again.
768
00:44:22,153 --> 00:44:23,404
And the responsibility of that
769
00:44:23,488 --> 00:44:25,448
and the weight of that is...
is immense.
770
00:44:28,743 --> 00:44:31,788
I could tell
that she was trying hard.
771
00:44:32,413 --> 00:44:34,916
She would be like,
"Okay, Mimi let's go play outside.
772
00:44:34,999 --> 00:44:36,292
I'm gonna make you breakfast."
773
00:44:36,709 --> 00:44:40,379
And I knew that that was something
that she didn't do often.
774
00:44:40,671 --> 00:44:43,048
So for me, I always felt like,
"Wow, she's really trying."
775
00:44:43,132 --> 00:44:45,551
She's trying to make time.
She's trying to carve time out.
776
00:44:52,516 --> 00:44:54,434
When I would be alone with her
777
00:44:54,518 --> 00:44:55,560
we would go to bed or something.
778
00:44:55,644 --> 00:44:58,814
I'd sleep in the bed with her,
and she would just be exhausted.
779
00:44:59,398 --> 00:45:01,107
You could just see it in her face.
780
00:45:01,358 --> 00:45:03,318
It wasn't just like, "I'm tired."
781
00:45:03,568 --> 00:45:06,112
It was like a soul weariness, though.
782
00:45:06,529 --> 00:45:08,323
It almost made me sad for her.
783
00:45:08,698 --> 00:45:10,742
I get to go back
to my grandparents' house
784
00:45:10,867 --> 00:45:11,910
and have a normal life
785
00:45:11,993 --> 00:45:15,163
but she is getting pulled
in every direction.
786
00:45:17,248 --> 00:45:19,041
Donna was trying to navigate
787
00:45:19,167 --> 00:45:20,918
being a mother and be a good mother.
788
00:45:21,210 --> 00:45:24,463
But to know that you have a destiny
in this arena
789
00:45:24,797 --> 00:45:28,008
and yet you have this responsibility
that is important to you
790
00:45:28,134 --> 00:45:31,095
there's no examples as to how
to make that balance correct.
791
00:45:32,221 --> 00:45:36,058
Donna's decision to have
Mom and Dad take care of her
792
00:45:36,266 --> 00:45:38,060
was one which she knew
she would be loved
793
00:45:38,143 --> 00:45:39,394
she knew she'd be nurtured
794
00:45:39,478 --> 00:45:41,772
and she knew she'd be safe.
795
00:45:43,899 --> 00:45:46,068
I don't think you understand
what it's like being the daughter
796
00:45:46,151 --> 00:45:48,403
of someone who is always gone.
797
00:45:49,613 --> 00:45:51,281
My daughter looked up at me
one day last week
798
00:45:51,364 --> 00:45:52,407
and she said, "Mommy
799
00:45:53,074 --> 00:45:55,118
when are you
just gonna stay home one day
800
00:45:55,827 --> 00:45:56,870
and be with me?"
801
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:00,039
And I didn't realize
that I hadn't spent any time with her
802
00:46:00,123 --> 00:46:01,165
for a long time.
803
00:46:02,083 --> 00:46:05,461
So I sat down and wrote this song
after she went to bed
804
00:46:06,421 --> 00:46:08,381
and I told her tonight,
when it was bedtime
805
00:46:08,673 --> 00:46:09,924
I would sing her a song.
806
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:22,519
I bet you ask yourself
807
00:46:24,063 --> 00:46:26,064
Why I'm never there
808
00:46:27,274 --> 00:46:31,486
It's not because I like being away
809
00:46:32,988 --> 00:46:34,031
You see
810
00:46:35,574 --> 00:46:39,786
I've made a spectacle of myself
811
00:46:40,161 --> 00:46:46,084
And it seems
That the whole world needs me
812
00:46:49,087 --> 00:46:53,591
I understand when you cry alone
813
00:46:54,717 --> 00:46:58,137
And mama's not there
814
00:46:58,471 --> 00:47:01,182
To wipe your eyes
815
00:47:01,807 --> 00:47:04,977
When I heard the Mimi song,
it was like, "Oh, my gosh."
816
00:47:05,436 --> 00:47:06,979
I was like,
"She wrote a song for me."
817
00:47:08,147 --> 00:47:09,815
She really feels this way about me.
818
00:47:12,526 --> 00:47:14,278
Someone to make you proud
819
00:47:14,361 --> 00:47:17,447
There was such a great bond
that it had created
820
00:47:17,531 --> 00:47:18,573
that song
821
00:47:18,949 --> 00:47:21,368
just to spend the time with her doing
what she does
822
00:47:21,451 --> 00:47:22,494
and being with her.
823
00:47:22,911 --> 00:47:25,205
I just remember feeling elated
as a kid.
824
00:47:25,288 --> 00:47:30,335
With so much love
825
00:47:30,418 --> 00:47:31,461
Come on, Mimi.
826
00:47:33,004 --> 00:47:35,256
'Cause you're lovely
827
00:47:35,381 --> 00:47:37,091
'Cause you're lovely
828
00:47:37,634 --> 00:47:40,845
And you're beautiful
829
00:47:42,513 --> 00:47:48,644
And you understand
830
00:47:48,936 --> 00:47:50,896
- Say good night to everyone.
- Good night.
831
00:48:01,865 --> 00:48:04,243
Money and success
does not make you happy.
832
00:48:05,494 --> 00:48:06,536
I know it for a fact
833
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:10,957
because for me,
the most dismal days of my existence
834
00:48:11,041 --> 00:48:12,250
were at the height of my career.
835
00:48:14,711 --> 00:48:17,547
It was like wearing an evening gown
that was too tight, you know?
836
00:48:18,298 --> 00:48:19,466
You know, everything was popping out
837
00:48:19,549 --> 00:48:20,717
and I needed more space.
838
00:48:23,344 --> 00:48:25,597
I saw the self I was striving to be.
839
00:48:26,014 --> 00:48:28,224
All of a sudden,
it seemed further away than ever.
840
00:48:30,476 --> 00:48:32,270
Feeling guilty, or feeling shame
841
00:48:32,353 --> 00:48:35,189
or feeling all the things
that had been part of my life.
842
00:48:41,445 --> 00:48:43,572
I was molested by a minister
when I was in my teens.
843
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,872
It's not pain
I could have spoken about.
844
00:48:53,206 --> 00:48:57,627
But it's something that I have to
always incorporate into my reality.
845
00:49:02,591 --> 00:49:03,633
Uncle Ricky.
846
00:49:03,925 --> 00:49:08,930
Mom never talked about
being abused by the pastor with me.
847
00:49:10,181 --> 00:49:12,809
Did she ever talk to you about it?
848
00:49:13,726 --> 00:49:14,769
Yes.
849
00:49:15,978 --> 00:49:17,855
He did a lot of
damage to a lot of people.
850
00:49:17,939 --> 00:49:19,982
Did the devil's work
better than most.
851
00:49:21,984 --> 00:49:23,694
I believe... I believe that...
852
00:49:25,363 --> 00:49:27,573
it became a defining moment
in her life.
853
00:49:27,656 --> 00:49:30,701
It's not easy when you don't have
the ability to tell people.
854
00:49:31,911 --> 00:49:32,953
But how do you get out of it?
855
00:49:41,712 --> 00:49:43,547
There were other things
that had gone on in my life.
856
00:49:43,630 --> 00:49:47,050
Things in my own sense of morality
that I felt that I had crossed
857
00:49:47,134 --> 00:49:50,345
like, that I felt God could never
forgive me because I... I failed.
858
00:49:50,428 --> 00:49:52,722
And I... I was decadent.
859
00:49:52,806 --> 00:49:54,099
I was stupid.
860
00:49:54,432 --> 00:49:55,600
You know? I was a fool.
861
00:49:56,976 --> 00:49:59,938
So I just decided
that my life had no meaning.
862
00:50:06,736 --> 00:50:07,778
I was in New York.
863
00:50:08,613 --> 00:50:11,866
I was alone in the then-Navarro Hotel
864
00:50:11,949 --> 00:50:13,784
on Central Park South.
865
00:50:18,664 --> 00:50:19,915
I'd been watching TV.
866
00:50:22,459 --> 00:50:24,002
I just broke down and said
867
00:50:24,086 --> 00:50:27,339
"I am not gonna live
another day like this."
868
00:50:30,133 --> 00:50:32,761
I had not been able to sleep,
and I was lying in bed.
869
00:50:32,844 --> 00:50:35,096
The lines on the TV
were going up and up and up.
870
00:50:36,264 --> 00:50:37,390
And after a while, I think I feel...
871
00:50:37,474 --> 00:50:39,517
I was... it was almost like
being hypnotized.
872
00:50:43,730 --> 00:50:46,649
And it was... it was crushing to me.
873
00:50:47,066 --> 00:50:48,401
And I thought, "You know what?
874
00:50:48,860 --> 00:50:51,029
I'm never gonna be who I am.
875
00:50:51,571 --> 00:50:53,656
You know? I'm gonna be stuck
being this person.
876
00:50:54,073 --> 00:50:55,158
How do I get out of it?"
877
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,914
And on that day, I... I just said
878
00:51:01,997 --> 00:51:03,082
"I'm... I'm getting outta here.
879
00:51:03,165 --> 00:51:04,500
I'm leaving. I... I gotta go
880
00:51:04,708 --> 00:51:06,418
and I put my foot out the window."
881
00:51:06,752 --> 00:51:09,421
And as I shifted my weight
to slide out the window
882
00:51:09,588 --> 00:51:11,799
my foot got caught
into this thin curtain.
883
00:51:11,924 --> 00:51:13,383
And at that precise moment
884
00:51:13,467 --> 00:51:14,510
the door opened
885
00:51:14,676 --> 00:51:16,220
and it was my house cleaning lady...
886
00:51:18,513 --> 00:51:20,724
and she opened the door enough
to look right at me and go
887
00:51:20,807 --> 00:51:22,934
"Oh, Ms. Summer,
I came to clean up today."
888
00:51:23,810 --> 00:51:26,062
Another ten seconds,
I would've been gone.
889
00:51:45,665 --> 00:51:46,874
- The Rolling Stone.
- Yeah.
890
00:51:48,292 --> 00:51:49,835
That must have been a big deal, huh?
891
00:51:50,211 --> 00:51:51,420
It was a big deal at the time
892
00:51:51,504 --> 00:51:53,672
because, first of all, black.
893
00:51:54,256 --> 00:51:55,841
- Second of all, woman.
- Yeah.
894
00:51:56,175 --> 00:51:58,927
So it was a big get at the time.
895
00:51:59,303 --> 00:52:00,345
And...
896
00:52:01,555 --> 00:52:03,432
Were you guys dating then or not yet?
897
00:52:03,515 --> 00:52:05,142
Yeah. No. We were definitely...
Yeah, we were.
898
00:52:06,435 --> 00:52:07,894
We were dating from the moment
we met.
899
00:52:08,270 --> 00:52:09,312
I noticed.
900
00:52:10,272 --> 00:52:12,691
Man stayed up
All night
901
00:52:14,025 --> 00:52:17,362
And carried on
902
00:52:18,196 --> 00:52:21,324
And now
He knows
903
00:52:21,449 --> 00:52:23,660
He wishes
904
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:29,082
He'd never gone
905
00:52:29,791 --> 00:52:30,833
And he knows...
906
00:52:30,917 --> 00:52:31,959
When I first met Donna
907
00:52:32,043 --> 00:52:34,629
in my egocentric
908
00:52:34,712 --> 00:52:37,048
elitist songwriter mind
909
00:52:37,339 --> 00:52:38,466
I think I kinda viewed her
910
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:39,592
as a novelty.
911
00:52:40,551 --> 00:52:41,969
But then we sat
down at the table
912
00:52:42,052 --> 00:52:43,345
started playing guitars
913
00:52:43,804 --> 00:52:44,972
and we just hit it off
914
00:52:45,055 --> 00:52:46,098
instantaneously.
915
00:52:47,891 --> 00:52:51,520
How much he
Loves you, baby
916
00:52:51,603 --> 00:52:52,688
I'm coming after you.
917
00:52:52,771 --> 00:52:55,732
Stick your
Baby home
918
00:52:58,276 --> 00:52:59,361
Did we submit the record?
919
00:52:59,736 --> 00:53:02,989
- Yeah, he liked it.
- Man stayed out all night
920
00:53:03,073 --> 00:53:04,115
I love it.
921
00:53:04,532 --> 00:53:07,619
I had a girlfriend
who was still in New York
922
00:53:08,703 --> 00:53:10,246
who I had been with a few years.
923
00:53:11,289 --> 00:53:12,999
Donna had this boyfriend.
924
00:53:13,791 --> 00:53:15,626
I don't know where he was that week
925
00:53:15,710 --> 00:53:16,753
but he was gone.
926
00:53:18,546 --> 00:53:19,714
The next week
927
00:53:19,797 --> 00:53:22,758
Donna and I just hung out together
the whole time
928
00:53:23,426 --> 00:53:27,096
barely sleeping,
just talking, writing.
929
00:53:28,556 --> 00:53:32,017
Within that time, we were bonded.
930
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,231
I brought this Bible with me
and Donna liked that.
931
00:53:37,314 --> 00:53:40,734
She was like, "I never met a guy
who, like, studied the Bible."
932
00:53:41,151 --> 00:53:43,987
My Bible was also my stash
for my joints, you know?
933
00:53:47,407 --> 00:53:49,200
Someday you'll come along
934
00:53:51,328 --> 00:53:52,912
The man I love
935
00:53:54,914 --> 00:53:57,208
And he'll be rich and strong
936
00:53:58,918 --> 00:54:00,295
The man I love
937
00:54:02,922 --> 00:54:05,091
And when he comes my way
938
00:54:07,093 --> 00:54:09,136
I'll do my best
939
00:54:09,512 --> 00:54:14,934
To make him stay
940
00:54:15,559 --> 00:54:17,853
We had a lot in common
941
00:54:17,937 --> 00:54:20,689
in terms of our drive to succeed
942
00:54:20,773 --> 00:54:22,524
and to escape where we were from.
943
00:54:22,775 --> 00:54:24,568
I'll understand
944
00:54:24,651 --> 00:54:27,571
So we... we just had
this intense beginning.
945
00:54:27,654 --> 00:54:28,697
For a while
946
00:54:30,657 --> 00:54:31,700
He'll take my hand...
947
00:54:31,783 --> 00:54:33,577
I wasn't a serious boyfriend type.
948
00:54:34,661 --> 00:54:36,538
I was serious about my career.
949
00:54:36,872 --> 00:54:37,914
And so was Donna.
950
00:54:38,707 --> 00:54:43,378
You know, that's part of what
Donna and I recognized in each other.
951
00:54:46,005 --> 00:54:47,048
You know
952
00:54:47,382 --> 00:54:51,010
I'm the kinda lady
that always meets the wrong man
953
00:54:51,219 --> 00:54:53,763
at the wrong place at the wrong time.
954
00:54:54,972 --> 00:54:57,475
I've always had
that wrong kinda luck, you know?
955
00:54:59,852 --> 00:55:02,980
My man comes home biting,
and screaming, and fussing, and...
956
00:55:03,063 --> 00:55:06,025
and then hit me, and beat my head
on the side of the wall
957
00:55:06,609 --> 00:55:09,278
and you know,
he doesn't treat me good at all.
958
00:55:10,362 --> 00:55:12,030
But I want him to. I need him.
959
00:55:12,114 --> 00:55:14,116
You see, my man just...
960
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,578
For all the bravado
that appeared on the outside
961
00:55:18,662 --> 00:55:20,831
there was a great deal
of insecurity underneath that.
962
00:55:23,375 --> 00:55:24,584
Fear of being alone
963
00:55:25,252 --> 00:55:28,755
led her into these relationships
964
00:55:29,047 --> 00:55:31,925
that, in her mind,
were kinda like placeholders.
965
00:55:32,258 --> 00:55:36,554
I got it bad
966
00:55:36,929 --> 00:55:41,601
And that ain't good
967
00:55:43,060 --> 00:55:44,270
Nah, it ain't good
968
00:55:49,024 --> 00:55:53,237
Peter Muhldorfer
was one of Donna's distractions.
969
00:55:55,948 --> 00:55:57,491
He was a very dark character.
970
00:55:58,117 --> 00:55:59,701
I have no good memories of him.
971
00:56:01,161 --> 00:56:05,248
I always felt very protective of her
when he was in her life.
972
00:56:07,250 --> 00:56:12,255
He had the same vibrant imagination
as Donna.
973
00:56:13,089 --> 00:56:14,341
He was very creative
974
00:56:15,008 --> 00:56:16,259
in a very dark way.
975
00:56:18,636 --> 00:56:20,430
My boyfriend Peter
976
00:56:20,555 --> 00:56:23,933
who was kind of abusive at the time
977
00:56:24,017 --> 00:56:26,602
and very possessive,
extremely controlling.
978
00:56:28,563 --> 00:56:29,772
He would drink and be abusive
979
00:56:29,856 --> 00:56:31,816
and then he would apologize
for the abuse.
980
00:56:35,361 --> 00:56:37,822
And you're going,
"Well, you know, maybe it's just me.
981
00:56:37,905 --> 00:56:39,406
Maybe I did something to provoke him.
982
00:56:40,449 --> 00:56:41,700
Maybe I shouldn't have said that."
983
00:56:42,618 --> 00:56:44,411
'Cause you really don't
wanna be alone
984
00:56:45,162 --> 00:56:47,289
because you're really afraid
internally yourself.
985
00:56:48,874 --> 00:56:51,877
And something in you identifies
with his fear of being alone.
986
00:56:57,632 --> 00:56:59,843
The more independence
I've started to have
987
00:57:00,260 --> 00:57:01,720
the more Peter felt threatened.
988
00:57:04,681 --> 00:57:08,059
Even though there were a lot of
new people in my life at that point
989
00:57:08,518 --> 00:57:11,145
there wasn't any one person
other than Peter who...
990
00:57:11,479 --> 00:57:13,272
who I really believed loved me.
991
00:57:15,817 --> 00:57:20,613
I knew that as this wave
of success grew
992
00:57:21,197 --> 00:57:23,407
he would be more jealous
and more aggressive.
993
00:57:24,658 --> 00:57:27,995
I was fearful of the situation
that I felt trapped by it.
994
00:57:31,206 --> 00:57:33,542
I was already secretly seeing Bruce
by then
995
00:57:33,625 --> 00:57:35,043
because Bruce was like a safe haven.
996
00:57:37,087 --> 00:57:39,840
I had tried my best
to get away from Peter.
997
00:57:44,386 --> 00:57:45,804
Peter, I'm curious.
998
00:57:45,887 --> 00:57:47,597
What was your impression of Bruce?
999
00:57:48,223 --> 00:57:51,267
You said you kind of suspected
something going on.
1000
00:57:52,060 --> 00:57:54,104
When I came back from New York
1001
00:57:54,354 --> 00:57:55,730
Bruce and the guys
1002
00:57:55,814 --> 00:57:57,065
have been in the house.
1003
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,944
I remember they were writing a song.
1004
00:58:02,862 --> 00:58:07,158
The lyrics was something
laying heavy on my heart.
1005
00:58:09,076 --> 00:58:12,580
I felt there is something going on
1006
00:58:12,955 --> 00:58:14,248
some separation
1007
00:58:14,623 --> 00:58:17,668
and some plan or something like that.
1008
00:58:21,088 --> 00:58:22,965
And then, of course, we had a fight.
1009
00:58:26,593 --> 00:58:27,678
I got a phone call
1010
00:58:27,761 --> 00:58:28,929
in the middle of the night
1011
00:58:31,098 --> 00:58:32,182
and said to Neil
1012
00:58:32,265 --> 00:58:34,851
"Call our attorney
and call the police."
1013
00:58:36,144 --> 00:58:37,979
A black eye and a bruised cheek
1014
00:58:38,063 --> 00:58:39,439
and broken ribs.
1015
00:58:41,024 --> 00:58:42,442
Donna was unconscious.
1016
00:58:45,111 --> 00:58:46,446
I had no respect for him.
1017
00:58:48,448 --> 00:58:49,782
She was becoming a star.
1018
00:58:49,866 --> 00:58:51,033
He could not handle that.
1019
00:58:57,248 --> 00:58:59,208
My recollection of Peter is
1020
00:58:59,417 --> 00:59:01,460
"This guy's crazy."
1021
00:59:03,003 --> 00:59:04,713
Police again coming to our house
1022
00:59:04,797 --> 00:59:06,173
me hiding in the bathroom
1023
00:59:06,256 --> 00:59:08,717
and hearing everything
that was going on
1024
00:59:08,801 --> 00:59:11,011
and seeing police sirens
and lights going off
1025
00:59:11,094 --> 00:59:16,850
and being so happy when Mom decided
to be done with that relationship.
1026
00:59:21,938 --> 00:59:25,525
I did it as a white man
with a black woman
1027
00:59:26,067 --> 00:59:30,029
and I did it with somebody
who was a star already.
1028
00:59:32,282 --> 00:59:34,826
She called the management,
and they had picked her up
1029
00:59:34,909 --> 00:59:36,327
and from that moment on
1030
00:59:36,536 --> 00:59:38,162
I haven't seen her anymore.
1031
00:59:40,164 --> 00:59:43,292
I hit her, and I never could
forgive myself.
1032
00:59:48,506 --> 00:59:50,591
Watching Daddy dance
1033
00:59:52,551 --> 00:59:54,219
Watching Daddy dance
1034
00:59:56,638 --> 00:59:58,432
Watching Daddy dance
1035
00:59:58,682 --> 01:00:00,642
Okay, I wanna try it again.
You're not just watching.
1036
01:00:00,726 --> 01:00:01,852
The first one was beautiful
1037
01:00:01,935 --> 01:00:03,895
but then, the ones after that,
got a little bit sloppy.
1038
01:00:03,979 --> 01:00:05,981
- Yeah.
- So do Watching Dad... You know.
1039
01:00:06,481 --> 01:00:08,358
How did you incorporate
your family into your act?
1040
01:00:08,984 --> 01:00:11,444
Well, it was easy. They sing.
1041
01:00:11,778 --> 01:00:15,573
And I had been taking
three other girls on tour with me
1042
01:00:15,657 --> 01:00:18,159
and I decided, "Why should I take
someone else's family
1043
01:00:18,243 --> 01:00:19,285
all over the world with me?"
1044
01:00:21,704 --> 01:00:24,791
How important is it
for an international star
1045
01:00:24,874 --> 01:00:25,917
someone like yourself...
1046
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,168
how important is it to have someone
1047
01:00:27,251 --> 01:00:28,294
- close to you?
- Well...
1048
01:00:29,170 --> 01:00:30,713
It's very... Well, I think
it's important for everyone
1049
01:00:30,796 --> 01:00:32,632
to have someone that,
especially in my position
1050
01:00:32,715 --> 01:00:35,551
there's always the threat
of whether someone loves you for you
1051
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,263
or whether they love you
because of the advantage
1052
01:00:39,555 --> 01:00:41,390
of being with...
with a person like you.
1053
01:00:49,273 --> 01:00:50,857
I didn't
think about singing with her.
1054
01:00:50,941 --> 01:00:52,359
I just said, "Somebody has
1055
01:00:52,442 --> 01:00:53,485
to be out there with her."
1056
01:00:53,652 --> 01:00:55,070
She gotta have some family out there.
1057
01:00:55,153 --> 01:00:56,613
There's no family out there.
1058
01:00:57,197 --> 01:00:59,616
They gonna chew her up
and spit her out.
1059
01:01:18,593 --> 01:01:20,303
It was really an exciting time.
1060
01:01:20,553 --> 01:01:24,056
It was like being on a roller coaster
that never took a pit stop.
1061
01:01:30,396 --> 01:01:33,857
Sitting here eating
My heart out waiting
1062
01:01:33,941 --> 01:01:36,401
Waiting for some lover to call
1063
01:01:37,402 --> 01:01:40,947
I dialed about
A hundred numbers lately
1064
01:01:41,156 --> 01:01:43,408
Almost rang the phone off the wall
1065
01:01:43,825 --> 01:01:47,370
Looking for some hot stuff
Baby, this evening
1066
01:01:47,704 --> 01:01:50,790
I need some hot stuff, baby, tonight
1067
01:01:51,082 --> 01:01:54,794
Gimme a little some hot stuff
Baby, this evening
1068
01:01:55,587 --> 01:01:57,005
Gonna need your loving
1069
01:01:57,088 --> 01:02:00,466
- I got to have your love tonight
- Hot stuff
1070
01:02:01,968 --> 01:02:03,803
- I need
- Hot stuff
1071
01:02:05,596 --> 01:02:07,431
- Looking for
- Hot stuff
1072
01:02:09,225 --> 01:02:13,729
Gotta have hot stuff, yeah!
1073
01:02:21,070 --> 01:02:22,112
Come on, let's boogie.
1074
01:02:28,660 --> 01:02:31,413
I just wanted to say that I think
that we need to address
1075
01:02:32,455 --> 01:02:33,957
my approach to singing.
1076
01:02:34,416 --> 01:02:35,834
I approach it as an actress.
1077
01:02:37,252 --> 01:02:38,586
I... I'm not trying to be me.
1078
01:02:39,921 --> 01:02:41,923
What I am there to do
is become the character
1079
01:02:42,006 --> 01:02:43,383
and then sing that song
1080
01:02:43,466 --> 01:02:45,593
in the context
to who that character is.
1081
01:02:45,677 --> 01:02:46,719
Thank you.
1082
01:02:48,971 --> 01:02:52,141
Last dance
1083
01:02:53,517 --> 01:02:59,440
Last chance for love
1084
01:03:03,277 --> 01:03:07,197
Yes, it's my last chance
1085
01:03:08,866 --> 01:03:10,868
For romance
1086
01:03:12,995 --> 01:03:16,623
Tonight
1087
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:21,503
I need you
1088
01:03:24,547 --> 01:03:25,590
By me
1089
01:03:28,259 --> 01:03:31,471
Beside me
1090
01:03:31,554 --> 01:03:35,016
To guide me
1091
01:03:35,808 --> 01:03:37,393
And to hold me
1092
01:03:40,354 --> 01:03:41,814
To scold me
1093
01:03:43,024 --> 01:03:51,240
'Cause when I'm bad, I'm so, so bad
1094
01:03:52,449 --> 01:03:56,870
- So let's dance the last dance
- Let's dance the last dance
1095
01:03:56,954 --> 01:04:00,415
- Let's dance the last dance
- Let's dance the last dance
1096
01:04:00,499 --> 01:04:03,502
- Let's dance the last dance
- Let's dance
1097
01:04:03,585 --> 01:04:07,380
Tonight
1098
01:04:07,589 --> 01:04:09,132
Last dance
1099
01:04:09,216 --> 01:04:12,427
It's my last chance for love
1100
01:04:12,552 --> 01:04:13,595
Hi.
1101
01:04:13,845 --> 01:04:16,306
Yes, it's my last chance
1102
01:04:16,389 --> 01:04:20,184
For romance tonight
1103
01:04:20,476 --> 01:04:24,939
- Oh, oh, I need you by me
- I need you by me
1104
01:04:25,022 --> 01:04:28,359
- Beside me to guide me
- Beside me
1105
01:04:28,442 --> 01:04:31,362
- To hold me, to scold me
- To hold me, to scold me
1106
01:04:31,445 --> 01:04:35,449
Because when I'm bad, I'm so, so bad
1107
01:04:35,533 --> 01:04:39,078
- So let's dance the last dance
- Let's dance the last dance
1108
01:04:39,286 --> 01:04:42,539
- Let's dance the last dance
- Let's dance the last dance
1109
01:04:42,623 --> 01:04:45,501
- Let's dance the last dance
- Let's dance
1110
01:04:45,584 --> 01:04:53,884
Tonight
1111
01:04:58,722 --> 01:04:59,764
This album
1112
01:05:00,181 --> 01:05:02,434
Donna Summer, Once Upon a Time
1113
01:05:02,976 --> 01:05:07,647
has gotten probably the best reviews
of any new album
1114
01:05:07,772 --> 01:05:09,148
in the last ten years.
1115
01:05:09,232 --> 01:05:11,109
You... you can't believe them
when you read them.
1116
01:05:11,943 --> 01:05:14,487
They're fantastic.
It's what you call a concept album.
1117
01:05:15,112 --> 01:05:16,155
It's a story.
1118
01:05:16,531 --> 01:05:18,282
And Donna Summer
rightly deserves them.
1119
01:05:18,366 --> 01:05:20,618
She's a phenomenon
in the record industry.
1120
01:05:26,290 --> 01:05:30,127
Well, he searched and searched
For nights and days
1121
01:05:30,210 --> 01:05:33,255
'Til he found the one he loved
1122
01:05:33,839 --> 01:05:37,759
And he wrapped her in his arms again
1123
01:05:37,843 --> 01:05:40,512
And then he thanked the stars above
1124
01:05:41,430 --> 01:05:45,350
That he found
Who he'd been looking for
1125
01:05:45,433 --> 01:05:48,019
And he stared her in the eyes
1126
01:05:48,895 --> 01:05:56,194
- He said "I love you"
- I love you... Yes, I do
1127
01:05:56,277 --> 01:05:57,320
He said
1128
01:05:57,403 --> 01:06:04,702
- "I love you"
- I love you. I love you. I do
1129
01:06:07,705 --> 01:06:10,750
We have this expression of music
called "the voice within the voice"
1130
01:06:11,167 --> 01:06:13,502
and it's the way you hear the note.
1131
01:06:15,170 --> 01:06:19,258
But did that cry that's in there
that touches the pain in you?
1132
01:06:19,550 --> 01:06:21,593
And even sometimes,
if it's a happy song
1133
01:06:21,677 --> 01:06:25,013
there's that cry in there
that maybe touches something in you
1134
01:06:25,097 --> 01:06:27,182
that's hidden in that groaning place
1135
01:06:27,265 --> 01:06:28,558
that place that we get to.
1136
01:06:30,227 --> 01:06:37,067
- She said "I love you"
- I love you... Yes, I do
1137
01:06:37,150 --> 01:06:44,657
- Yes, I really do
- I love you... Yes, I do
1138
01:06:45,033 --> 01:06:48,870
- They said "I love you
- I love you...
1139
01:06:48,953 --> 01:06:53,499
- Yes, I do"
- I love you. I love you. Yes, I do
1140
01:06:56,627 --> 01:06:58,587
It... it's so funny how people write
1141
01:06:58,671 --> 01:07:01,382
you know, and... and a lot of writers
write better under pressure.
1142
01:07:01,465 --> 01:07:02,591
I mean, under severe pressure.
1143
01:07:02,675 --> 01:07:05,427
Like it's-gotta-be-finished-yesterday
kinda pressure.
1144
01:07:05,803 --> 01:07:08,347
I prefer to work
in... in the way of concepts
1145
01:07:08,430 --> 01:07:11,099
have an idea
and work it out to the end.
1146
01:07:11,516 --> 01:07:15,771
And after, you know, coming from
being the disco queen
1147
01:07:15,854 --> 01:07:17,731
to, you know, like, "Where am I now?"
1148
01:07:17,898 --> 01:07:20,400
You know?
"What is my voice best suited for?"
1149
01:07:21,526 --> 01:07:23,153
You... you just have to try
a lot of things
1150
01:07:23,236 --> 01:07:24,321
until you find the right thing.
1151
01:07:24,404 --> 01:07:25,447
You have to keep going.
1152
01:07:25,822 --> 01:07:29,659
And I'm not... I'm not a person
who has to sound like me.
1153
01:07:29,784 --> 01:07:32,287
I don't care if people know it's me
in... some way.
1154
01:07:32,370 --> 01:07:34,997
I mean, I don't care if they go,
"Oh, that's Donna Summer"
1155
01:07:35,081 --> 01:07:36,207
I kinda almost don't want them to.
1156
01:07:36,290 --> 01:07:37,542
I want them to be surprised.
1157
01:07:38,126 --> 01:07:40,711
"That's Donna Summer? Wow, man,
she sounds totally different."
1158
01:07:41,087 --> 01:07:43,422
I think that is using your voice
as an instrument.
1159
01:07:43,923 --> 01:07:45,132
Do you wake up in the middle
of the night
1160
01:07:45,216 --> 01:07:46,258
- for example
- Yes.
1161
01:07:46,342 --> 01:07:48,552
- and say, "Aha. I've got an idea?"
- Yes.
1162
01:07:48,802 --> 01:07:50,763
Yes. Everywhere in the house, papers.
1163
01:07:51,055 --> 01:07:52,222
"Let's go! Don't throw that away!
1164
01:07:52,306 --> 01:07:53,390
Oh, my god. What happened to the...
1165
01:07:53,474 --> 01:07:55,267
Oh, what happened to the...
the Brillo box?
1166
01:07:55,350 --> 01:07:56,393
What happened..." You know.
1167
01:07:58,145 --> 01:07:59,563
- All right, let's do it.
- Ready?
1168
01:08:00,522 --> 01:08:01,565
- How does it start?
- Electricity.
1169
01:08:02,024 --> 01:08:04,860
Electricity
1170
01:08:06,153 --> 01:08:07,320
We were just jamming.
1171
01:08:07,988 --> 01:08:09,030
Roll tape
1172
01:08:09,531 --> 01:08:12,075
set up the mics, headphones.
1173
01:08:12,951 --> 01:08:16,830
I don't wanna be the one
To spoil the party
1174
01:08:17,539 --> 01:08:19,040
You know, we would just flow.
1175
01:08:19,123 --> 01:08:20,625
We would pick up one from the other.
1176
01:08:20,708 --> 01:08:23,586
We would add harmonies
when we find a little groove.
1177
01:08:23,669 --> 01:08:26,297
Electricity
1178
01:08:27,048 --> 01:08:28,841
Love that powers me
1179
01:08:29,634 --> 01:08:33,721
I don't ever want
This magic night to end
1180
01:08:34,847 --> 01:08:39,476
I don't know if I could stop
Once we get started
1181
01:08:40,686 --> 01:08:43,772
It was never competitive, you know?
1182
01:08:43,856 --> 01:08:47,234
It was completely respectful
of each other's gift.
1183
01:08:49,695 --> 01:08:54,324
I was always in awe of Mommy's mind.
1184
01:09:00,872 --> 01:09:02,999
You know, because of her persona
1185
01:09:03,249 --> 01:09:06,920
as, you know, sex goddess
and First Lady of Love
1186
01:09:07,795 --> 01:09:12,049
her artistry as a songwriter
got overlooked.
1187
01:09:26,188 --> 01:09:31,652
Dim all the lights
1188
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:43,288
Dim all the lights
1189
01:09:47,542 --> 01:09:49,794
Dim all the lights, sweet darling
1190
01:09:49,878 --> 01:09:52,422
'Cause tonight, it's all the way
1191
01:09:53,173 --> 01:09:56,926
Hey, baby, turn up the old Victrola
1192
01:09:57,010 --> 01:10:00,096
Gonna dance the night away
1193
01:10:01,889 --> 01:10:04,433
Dim All the Lights is a song
that she wrote by herself
1194
01:10:04,517 --> 01:10:09,980
and a root issue for Donna was
when Dim All the Lights was out
1195
01:10:10,147 --> 01:10:12,107
and is flying up the charts
1196
01:10:12,316 --> 01:10:14,818
and it's in the top ten
1197
01:10:16,445 --> 01:10:18,864
but Neil wants to release
Enough is Enough.
1198
01:10:18,947 --> 01:10:21,450
And Mommy says, "No, please.
Don't release Enough is Enough yet.
1199
01:10:21,533 --> 01:10:24,453
Let's give Dim All the Lights
a chance to go to number one."
1200
01:10:25,370 --> 01:10:26,705
She's just recorded a record
1201
01:10:26,788 --> 01:10:28,498
with Barbra Streisand
1202
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,793
and it will come out October 15th.
1203
01:10:32,335 --> 01:10:33,503
It's called Enough is Enough.
1204
01:10:35,255 --> 01:10:36,673
- That's news, huh?
- That's news.
1205
01:10:36,756 --> 01:10:38,758
- Come on. Barbra...
- You did it. You got it in.
1206
01:10:40,385 --> 01:10:42,512
I mean, I...
that was the whole reason...
1207
01:10:42,595 --> 01:10:43,846
Is that the whole reason
you were here, huh?
1208
01:10:44,180 --> 01:10:47,392
No. No, you... you know, just...
1209
01:10:47,475 --> 01:10:48,518
I thought you'd like that.
1210
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:06,243
If you've had enough
Don't put up with his stuff
1211
01:11:06,368 --> 01:11:08,370
Don't you do it
1212
01:11:10,163 --> 01:11:11,248
If you've had your fill
1213
01:11:11,331 --> 01:11:14,292
Did she talk about that situation
with Casablanca?
1214
01:11:15,252 --> 01:11:16,294
For a long time, she didn't
1215
01:11:16,378 --> 01:11:17,420
actually believe it.
1216
01:11:17,629 --> 01:11:18,964
Here are these people who you...
1217
01:11:19,047 --> 01:11:20,340
You know, you working with them.
1218
01:11:20,423 --> 01:11:21,466
You love them.
1219
01:11:21,716 --> 01:11:23,593
You believe they have
your best interests at heart
1220
01:11:23,843 --> 01:11:24,886
and they do
1221
01:11:24,969 --> 01:11:27,889
because your best interest
is their best interest.
1222
01:11:28,181 --> 01:11:30,642
But... but money changes people.
1223
01:11:31,976 --> 01:11:34,479
Neil disregarded that request
1224
01:11:34,687 --> 01:11:36,314
and Enough is Enough came out
1225
01:11:36,522 --> 01:11:38,816
and Dim All the Lights peaked
at number two.
1226
01:11:39,734 --> 01:11:44,947
And I think that was the initial
feeling of, "This is not right.
1227
01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:46,740
Maybe this is running its course."
1228
01:12:04,049 --> 01:12:08,428
Two kids hanging
In an alleyway
1229
01:12:08,553 --> 01:12:10,096
Talking about the money
1230
01:12:11,056 --> 01:12:12,891
That they just found
1231
01:12:17,562 --> 01:12:18,605
Mommy's out weary
1232
01:12:18,771 --> 01:12:21,649
Trying to make a way
1233
01:12:22,358 --> 01:12:23,401
But Daddy
1234
01:12:23,818 --> 01:12:25,695
Just long's you
Tell the amount
1235
01:12:28,030 --> 01:12:30,449
And it's high time
1236
01:12:30,533 --> 01:12:33,202
That we make a change
1237
01:12:33,285 --> 01:12:35,496
And it's high time
1238
01:12:35,579 --> 01:12:38,207
That we start rearranging
1239
01:12:38,290 --> 01:12:39,958
Long...
1240
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:47,883
Hello?
1241
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:49,593
Hello, who is this?
1242
01:12:55,140 --> 01:12:56,182
That's bullshit.
1243
01:12:59,269 --> 01:13:00,562
He's profiting by me.
1244
01:13:01,980 --> 01:13:03,982
I can be unhappy only so long.
1245
01:13:08,569 --> 01:13:09,612
The record business
1246
01:13:09,821 --> 01:13:12,532
is really like
being raped and abused
1247
01:13:13,366 --> 01:13:14,408
over and over again
1248
01:13:15,618 --> 01:13:17,745
because the element
of your sensitivity
1249
01:13:17,828 --> 01:13:20,456
is beaten up on and stepped on.
1250
01:13:22,541 --> 01:13:24,835
I wasn't justly compensated
for what I had done.
1251
01:13:25,336 --> 01:13:26,462
I had sold millions of records
1252
01:13:26,545 --> 01:13:28,130
and not been paid for them
at that point.
1253
01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:39,558
We were involved from '79
in a lawsuit with Casablanca Records
1254
01:13:40,183 --> 01:13:42,602
because they were taking advantage.
1255
01:13:44,145 --> 01:13:46,064
How significant was it
1256
01:13:46,147 --> 01:13:50,110
for particularly a black woman
of that time to sue a label?
1257
01:13:50,485 --> 01:13:54,322
Certainly a high-profile situation
1258
01:13:54,405 --> 01:13:56,574
because it was right
at the top of her career.
1259
01:13:58,117 --> 01:14:01,162
We went through a major lawsuit,
and we settled
1260
01:14:02,079 --> 01:14:03,122
and she went on to be
1261
01:14:03,205 --> 01:14:05,499
the first artist signed
to Geffen Records.
1262
01:14:08,794 --> 01:14:10,087
Come into the light
a little bit, Donnie.
1263
01:14:16,010 --> 01:14:17,803
Well, this really isn't
one of my better days.
1264
01:14:17,886 --> 01:14:19,513
- Yeah.
- You could have filmed...
1265
01:14:19,596 --> 01:14:20,639
Can you get into right
into the light?
1266
01:14:20,722 --> 01:14:21,765
Get your face right in the light.
1267
01:14:22,557 --> 01:14:23,600
I wanna see you. Get in the light.
1268
01:14:25,143 --> 01:14:27,604
- There we go.
- You could have filmed...
1269
01:14:28,355 --> 01:14:30,190
Is my... is my face breaking out
over here?
1270
01:14:30,315 --> 01:14:31,608
I don't know.
I'm not looking that close.
1271
01:14:33,151 --> 01:14:34,819
- No go back, go back.
- What's the matter?
1272
01:14:36,738 --> 01:14:39,699
- Look at 'em. Say, "Hi." Hi.
- Hi.
1273
01:14:39,782 --> 01:14:40,825
Do Hard for the Money.
1274
01:14:42,744 --> 01:14:43,786
Sing it loud.
1275
01:14:44,454 --> 01:14:46,998
Hard for the money
1276
01:14:48,124 --> 01:14:50,835
- Good.
- She works hard for the money
1277
01:14:52,169 --> 01:14:54,547
So hard for it, honey
1278
01:14:55,423 --> 01:14:57,383
I work hard for my money
1279
01:14:57,466 --> 01:15:00,010
So you better treat me right
1280
01:15:00,886 --> 01:15:01,929
All right
1281
01:15:02,388 --> 01:15:06,016
I work hard... for my money
1282
01:15:06,141 --> 01:15:09,228
Hard... for it, honey
1283
01:15:09,394 --> 01:15:10,812
Hard for my money
1284
01:15:10,896 --> 01:15:13,815
So you better treat me right
1285
01:15:14,441 --> 01:15:15,484
All right?
1286
01:15:15,692 --> 01:15:17,694
She works hard for the money
1287
01:15:18,987 --> 01:15:20,989
So hard for it, honey
1288
01:15:22,449 --> 01:15:24,325
She works hard for the money
1289
01:15:24,409 --> 01:15:26,953
So you better treat her right
1290
01:15:27,871 --> 01:15:29,205
She Works Hard for the Money
1291
01:15:29,289 --> 01:15:31,165
it comes along at the right time
1292
01:15:31,249 --> 01:15:32,291
for women.
1293
01:15:32,417 --> 01:15:34,794
It was kind of like
a woman's empowerment song.
1294
01:15:35,378 --> 01:15:36,712
She was speaking to the worker.
1295
01:15:36,796 --> 01:15:39,924
She works hard for the money
So you better treat her right
1296
01:15:40,007 --> 01:15:42,885
It was the night of the Grammys
and we were in Los Angeles.
1297
01:15:42,968 --> 01:15:45,930
I was on my way into the ladies room
with my manager.
1298
01:15:46,805 --> 01:15:49,266
As I walked in, there was this
little lady sitting in the corner.
1299
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:51,602
This sweet woman
here was sound asleep.
1300
01:15:51,977 --> 01:15:53,562
Yeah, and I looked at her,
and I thought to myself
1301
01:15:53,645 --> 01:15:56,023
"Wow, she works hard for the money."
1302
01:15:56,481 --> 01:15:59,443
And I thought it again to myself,
"She works hard for the money."
1303
01:15:59,860 --> 01:16:01,903
And I thought,
"She works hard for the money.
1304
01:16:02,154 --> 01:16:03,572
She works hard for the money."
1305
01:16:03,655 --> 01:16:06,658
And I thought, "Wow, that's it.
That's a song, Susan.
1306
01:16:06,741 --> 01:16:07,784
I'm gonna sit down and write it."
1307
01:16:07,867 --> 01:16:09,160
So I went in the other room,
and I sat right there
1308
01:16:09,244 --> 01:16:10,286
and I started writing it.
1309
01:16:10,412 --> 01:16:11,955
She didn't even know
anything about it.
1310
01:16:12,247 --> 01:16:13,289
Not until much later.
1311
01:16:13,623 --> 01:16:15,083
- Right?
- Right. That's true.
1312
01:16:15,291 --> 01:16:16,960
{\an5}I say it's wonderful, believe me.
1313
01:16:17,043 --> 01:16:18,628
{\an5}I think it's like a fairy tale to me.
1314
01:16:18,711 --> 01:16:20,421
{\an5}I can't believe it. I really can't.
1315
01:16:21,297 --> 01:16:24,175
- You seem very proud.
- I am. I'm very proud.
1316
01:16:30,431 --> 01:16:32,933
She was the first female black artist
1317
01:16:33,017 --> 01:16:35,853
to ever have a video on MTV.
1318
01:16:38,230 --> 01:16:40,190
She works hard for the money
1319
01:16:41,692 --> 01:16:43,819
So hard for it, honey
1320
01:16:45,153 --> 01:16:47,155
She works hard for the money
1321
01:16:47,239 --> 01:16:48,990
So you better treat her right
1322
01:16:49,074 --> 01:16:50,242
When people come up to you
1323
01:16:50,826 --> 01:16:54,079
what song do they
most identify you with?
1324
01:16:54,162 --> 01:16:55,747
Is it still Love to Love You Baby
1325
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:57,457
in... in spite of everything
you've done?
1326
01:16:58,041 --> 01:16:59,751
- Hard for the Money.
- Hard for the Money?
1327
01:16:59,876 --> 01:17:00,919
The women. The women
1328
01:17:01,586 --> 01:17:02,629
That's right.
1329
01:17:07,842 --> 01:17:08,885
- The men...
- And the men...
1330
01:17:09,635 --> 01:17:10,678
The men, yeah.
1331
01:17:10,970 --> 01:17:12,054
Love to Love You Baby, probably.
1332
01:17:12,138 --> 01:17:14,223
They go, "Oh, I just remember
when you sang that song...
1333
01:17:14,348 --> 01:17:15,683
Ooh... What was it?"
1334
01:17:15,766 --> 01:17:17,643
You know, they start...
their bodies start moving like this.
1335
01:17:17,727 --> 01:17:18,769
They go...
1336
01:17:22,731 --> 01:17:24,817
I've got to fan myself now.
1337
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,951
My life just sort of started
to quiet down.
1338
01:17:35,452 --> 01:17:38,789
One of the things that happened
was that I... I married Bruce.
1339
01:17:40,665 --> 01:17:43,835
It was also this time when I started
becoming the most spiritual.
1340
01:17:45,712 --> 01:17:47,714
I had to make a decision
about being a mother
1341
01:17:47,797 --> 01:17:49,966
and how much a mother
I was going to be.
1342
01:17:52,802 --> 01:17:53,845
There's just nothing in my life
1343
01:17:53,928 --> 01:17:55,680
that's worth more to me
than my jewels.
1344
01:17:55,763 --> 01:17:56,889
My children are my jewels
1345
01:17:57,265 --> 01:17:59,225
and my husband and... my family.
1346
01:17:59,433 --> 01:18:02,853
I loved to perform, you know,
and that's extremely important
1347
01:18:02,937 --> 01:18:05,398
but it doesn't bring me
what they bring me.
1348
01:18:11,487 --> 01:18:14,114
The ranch was the dream childhood.
1349
01:18:17,159 --> 01:18:21,204
It was 56 acres of dirt roads
1350
01:18:21,288 --> 01:18:23,332
horses, and pigs, and cows.
1351
01:18:23,415 --> 01:18:26,126
It was full of imagination,
and fun, and adventure.
1352
01:18:28,336 --> 01:18:30,463
It was kind of the best
possible place to grow up.
1353
01:18:31,423 --> 01:18:32,465
Together
1354
01:18:33,383 --> 01:18:34,426
Together
1355
01:18:35,093 --> 01:18:36,136
Together
1356
01:18:36,761 --> 01:18:37,804
Together
1357
01:18:38,263 --> 01:18:41,307
I just remember,
by the time I was born
1358
01:18:41,391 --> 01:18:44,727
that family was kind
of the most important thing.
1359
01:18:46,187 --> 01:18:48,147
The fame was kind of like
an offshoot.
1360
01:18:48,231 --> 01:18:49,273
Tonight
1361
01:18:49,357 --> 01:18:51,859
Walking in a winter wonderland
1362
01:18:52,109 --> 01:18:53,694
Gone away...
1363
01:18:53,819 --> 01:18:55,279
She was always performing.
1364
01:18:56,238 --> 01:18:58,949
She lived in an imaginary
musical at all times.
1365
01:18:59,617 --> 01:19:03,078
We sing a love song as we go along
1366
01:19:03,537 --> 01:19:06,957
Walking in
A winter wonderland
1367
01:19:07,249 --> 01:19:10,919
Walking in
A winter wonderland
1368
01:19:11,003 --> 01:19:14,381
Winter wonder
Winter wonderland
1369
01:19:14,798 --> 01:19:19,719
Winter wonder
Wonder, wonderland
1370
01:19:26,643 --> 01:19:27,685
I like Bruce.
1371
01:19:27,852 --> 01:19:29,062
I like... liked him a lot.
1372
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:30,438
When they got together
1373
01:19:30,521 --> 01:19:32,148
they wrote amazing music
1374
01:19:33,024 --> 01:19:34,942
and I felt like there was, like
1375
01:19:36,068 --> 01:19:38,654
this love connection that was deep.
1376
01:19:39,196 --> 01:19:42,283
But they were just...
That was just a bumpy damn ride.
1377
01:19:42,658 --> 01:19:44,243
They were like oil and vinegar.
1378
01:19:45,536 --> 01:19:47,830
But they came together
and made salad dressing.
1379
01:19:51,834 --> 01:19:54,711
My recollection
of our relationship early on
1380
01:19:54,795 --> 01:19:56,380
was that it was volatile.
1381
01:19:58,006 --> 01:19:59,049
We were young.
1382
01:19:59,424 --> 01:20:02,385
We were both confident,
and cocky, aggressive
1383
01:20:02,469 --> 01:20:05,013
a little stupid, passionate.
1384
01:20:06,306 --> 01:20:07,766
Coming from two different cultures
1385
01:20:07,849 --> 01:20:09,851
not understanding
each other's cultures.
1386
01:20:12,896 --> 01:20:14,063
We were fire.
1387
01:20:15,231 --> 01:20:17,317
In public, screaming at each other
1388
01:20:17,525 --> 01:20:19,610
"You can't fucking talk
to me like..."
1389
01:20:28,035 --> 01:20:29,745
I just remember that
1390
01:20:29,954 --> 01:20:32,414
they had a fight,
and, like, throwing pots.
1391
01:20:32,957 --> 01:20:36,168
And at that point,
Mom had already called the cops.
1392
01:20:36,460 --> 01:20:39,046
And we all went
to my grandmother's house.
1393
01:20:48,013 --> 01:20:49,598
I remember wanting to, like...
1394
01:20:51,475 --> 01:20:53,602
run and protect her.
1395
01:20:55,228 --> 01:20:56,604
And I've done that before.
1396
01:21:01,442 --> 01:21:05,196
I was dealing
with a lot of my own abuse.
1397
01:21:07,657 --> 01:21:09,909
We'd be at the house
and stuff would happen there.
1398
01:21:09,992 --> 01:21:15,247
And it was someone related
to our housekeeper at the ranch.
1399
01:21:18,042 --> 01:21:19,835
I would often be out in the fields
1400
01:21:19,919 --> 01:21:23,547
'cause I didn't wanna be any place
that I could be trapped.
1401
01:21:27,718 --> 01:21:30,512
It was traumatic for me to leave
my grandparents and go there
1402
01:21:30,596 --> 01:21:32,556
'cause I knew what might be in store.
1403
01:21:36,184 --> 01:21:38,228
It wasn't until
I was 11 and a half, 12
1404
01:21:38,311 --> 01:21:41,481
when I finally
sort of moved in full time.
1405
01:21:43,275 --> 01:21:44,317
And I'll have to be honest
1406
01:21:44,401 --> 01:21:47,070
the only reason I stayed
was because of you guys.
1407
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:48,905
I said, "I can't leave Brooklyn
and Amanda."
1408
01:21:50,448 --> 01:21:51,491
I didn't know that, Mim.
1409
01:22:10,092 --> 01:22:14,680
I had a lot of pent-up anger
and resentment.
1410
01:22:17,224 --> 01:22:19,685
I always had to be so careful
because she's Donna Summer.
1411
01:22:19,768 --> 01:22:21,895
And what if I say something
and then it gets out?
1412
01:22:25,982 --> 01:22:27,734
When I finally told Ma
1413
01:22:28,193 --> 01:22:30,028
I was 19, I think.
1414
01:22:30,570 --> 01:22:32,989
Mom, she hyperventilated.
1415
01:22:33,490 --> 01:22:34,532
Had to leave the room.
1416
01:22:38,912 --> 01:22:41,205
You know, in order for you
to really communicate with somebody
1417
01:22:41,289 --> 01:22:42,582
and talk to them heart-to-heart
1418
01:22:42,999 --> 01:22:44,292
you have to really be vulnerable
1419
01:22:44,375 --> 01:22:47,170
and I think Mommy had
a hard time being vulnerable.
1420
01:22:51,215 --> 01:22:54,051
It was a difficult thing
for Mommy to deal with with Mimi
1421
01:22:54,135 --> 01:22:55,803
because of her own situation.
1422
01:22:56,178 --> 01:22:57,596
The sexual abuse
1423
01:22:58,180 --> 01:23:00,516
and her own, maybe, sense of failing.
1424
01:23:01,016 --> 01:23:03,143
I mean, I felt it. How could I...
1425
01:23:03,227 --> 01:23:06,021
How... how did I, as a dad,
allow this to happen?
1426
01:23:08,523 --> 01:23:10,650
But I don't think
you've ever said that to Mimi.
1427
01:23:12,694 --> 01:23:13,904
- Probably not.
- Yeah.
1428
01:23:13,987 --> 01:23:15,030
- Yeah. Probably not.
- Yeah.
1429
01:23:33,214 --> 01:23:34,257
These are all signed.
1430
01:23:38,344 --> 01:23:39,804
I always felt like
when she was painting
1431
01:23:39,887 --> 01:23:42,306
she was, like, really in her space.
1432
01:23:43,182 --> 01:23:45,851
Whatever she was feeling that day
would come out on the canvas
1433
01:23:45,935 --> 01:23:49,188
and really helped her to release
a lot of whatever anxiety and tension
1434
01:23:49,271 --> 01:23:50,731
and whatever else
that she was feeling.
1435
01:24:02,909 --> 01:24:04,494
I was inspired by my children.
1436
01:24:04,578 --> 01:24:05,996
There was color around me.
1437
01:24:06,371 --> 01:24:09,374
I started finding my way back
to other creative aspects
1438
01:24:09,457 --> 01:24:10,542
of my own personality.
1439
01:24:10,667 --> 01:24:15,129
Someone found the letter
You wrote me on the radio
1440
01:24:18,132 --> 01:24:21,761
And they told the world
Just how you felt
1441
01:24:24,931 --> 01:24:30,728
It must have fallen out of a hole
In your old, brown overcoat
1442
01:24:32,396 --> 01:24:37,401
They never said your name
But I knew just who they meant
1443
01:24:37,484 --> 01:24:39,528
You know, when I go on stage,
I don't go home with anything.
1444
01:24:40,028 --> 01:24:41,196
I go home empty-handed.
1445
01:24:41,780 --> 01:24:42,823
But when I paint
1446
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:44,908
I have a tangible product
1447
01:24:44,992 --> 01:24:47,869
that's the direct result
of my solo effort.
1448
01:24:48,870 --> 01:24:50,288
The agents aren't talking.
1449
01:24:50,372 --> 01:24:52,916
The record company isn't saying,
"Hey, these songs suck."
1450
01:24:53,583 --> 01:24:56,252
So creatively,
I am completely free to be myself.
1451
01:25:00,548 --> 01:25:02,342
When you first appeared
in this country
1452
01:25:02,425 --> 01:25:05,511
many critics said
"One song, she'll be gone soon."
1453
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,222
And you have outlasted
many of those critics.
1454
01:25:08,306 --> 01:25:09,557
How much satisfaction do you take
1455
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:12,101
in having turned
their predictions wrong?
1456
01:25:12,727 --> 01:25:14,270
Well, it's great to, you know
1457
01:25:14,687 --> 01:25:16,897
to succeed when others
are not on your side.
1458
01:25:17,356 --> 01:25:19,233
It's even greater to know
that God's on your side
1459
01:25:19,316 --> 01:25:20,943
and nobody can be against you
when He is.
1460
01:25:21,026 --> 01:25:22,486
You know, I think that's what...
1461
01:25:22,569 --> 01:25:23,988
I've always been
very strong in faith.
1462
01:25:24,071 --> 01:25:26,532
And, I mean, the possibilities of...
1463
01:25:27,032 --> 01:25:29,243
of a black girl from Boston
going to Germany
1464
01:25:29,326 --> 01:25:32,204
becoming successful
in the American pop field
1465
01:25:32,371 --> 01:25:34,539
is like a... a million to one shot.
1466
01:25:34,706 --> 01:25:38,126
The sun is shining
1467
01:25:38,585 --> 01:25:42,464
Oh, for me each day
1468
01:25:42,839 --> 01:25:46,801
'Cause I found the answer
1469
01:25:47,385 --> 01:25:51,055
And I learned
1470
01:25:51,556 --> 01:25:55,643
To
1471
01:25:56,060 --> 01:26:03,109
Pray
1472
01:26:04,443 --> 01:26:05,736
Let them like our performance, Lord.
1473
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:07,446
Let them like our performance, Lord.
1474
01:26:07,530 --> 01:26:09,073
- Thank you, Jesus.
- Thank you, Jesus. Thank you.
1475
01:26:09,156 --> 01:26:10,741
Oh, God, in Jesus' name, praise You.
1476
01:26:11,575 --> 01:26:12,618
Amen!
1477
01:26:13,660 --> 01:26:14,953
How did you become a Christian?
1478
01:26:15,037 --> 01:26:17,080
How did... how did it happen?
1479
01:26:17,581 --> 01:26:18,624
How did it happen?
1480
01:26:18,874 --> 01:26:21,376
- It happened one day.
- It kinda happened...
1481
01:26:21,460 --> 01:26:22,502
It happens, yeah.
1482
01:26:22,586 --> 01:26:25,547
You know what? I think people get
to a place in their lives where
1483
01:26:26,298 --> 01:26:28,425
well, especially
when you are successful
1484
01:26:28,633 --> 01:26:30,552
and you've...
and you've reached your goals
1485
01:26:30,969 --> 01:26:32,804
and you realize that...
that there's nothing there.
1486
01:26:33,138 --> 01:26:34,180
It's empty.
1487
01:26:34,264 --> 01:26:36,808
It's the same old room.
It could be anywhere in the world.
1488
01:26:37,183 --> 01:26:40,311
It could be with anyone in the world.
It could be the same meal.
1489
01:26:40,395 --> 01:26:41,729
It can be the same million cults.
1490
01:26:41,979 --> 01:26:43,356
It could be a million diamond rings.
1491
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:44,649
It doesn't mean anything.
1492
01:26:45,024 --> 01:26:46,817
You know, you get to a point
where you realize that
1493
01:26:48,819 --> 01:26:50,029
"What happens after this?"
1494
01:26:53,699 --> 01:26:54,742
The born again.
1495
01:26:55,993 --> 01:26:59,288
As extreme as
I might have been thinking
1496
01:26:59,371 --> 01:27:00,789
at the time that it was
1497
01:27:01,749 --> 01:27:03,876
it benefited Donna.
1498
01:27:06,211 --> 01:27:10,007
That little church girl
was foundational to who she was.
1499
01:27:11,716 --> 01:27:15,345
All these things
that she had been carrying
1500
01:27:15,637 --> 01:27:18,181
from being abused by a pastor
when you were a young girl.
1501
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:22,143
This struggle of... of God,
and man, and sex.
1502
01:27:23,394 --> 01:27:27,982
Religion and spirituality
brought her a great amount of peace.
1503
01:27:31,486 --> 01:27:32,528
In the last few years
1504
01:27:33,446 --> 01:27:36,490
my life has changed, drastically.
1505
01:27:39,118 --> 01:27:42,496
It has changed in a way
that I would like to share with you.
1506
01:27:43,414 --> 01:27:46,292
See, about three years ago,
I gave my life to Jesus Christ.
1507
01:27:49,336 --> 01:27:51,004
And, no...
1508
01:27:51,547 --> 01:27:53,090
I'm not ashamed to tell it.
1509
01:27:55,676 --> 01:27:59,679
Every day
1510
01:28:02,807 --> 01:28:07,103
I give you a reason to cry
1511
01:28:09,355 --> 01:28:13,860
'Cause I see the hurt in your eyes
1512
01:28:15,445 --> 01:28:17,572
But stronger yet
1513
01:28:17,780 --> 01:28:23,077
I see the love that shines
1514
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:24,203
Brooklyn, you know Mommy.
1515
01:28:24,745 --> 01:28:26,288
Whenever she got into anything
1516
01:28:26,580 --> 01:28:28,165
it was a hundred and ten percent.
1517
01:28:28,707 --> 01:28:31,627
And then, she would wanna share it
with everybody.
1518
01:28:33,629 --> 01:28:35,255
Not everybody wanted
to hear a sermon.
1519
01:28:35,339 --> 01:28:37,049
Not everybody wanted
to be preached to.
1520
01:28:37,257 --> 01:28:38,884
People wanted to dance at a party.
1521
01:28:56,192 --> 01:28:57,235
Yeah!
1522
01:28:57,694 --> 01:28:58,736
All right!
1523
01:29:02,448 --> 01:29:04,283
"Where's that girl?
Where's that girl, huh?
1524
01:29:05,118 --> 01:29:06,744
I paid $12 for this ticket
1525
01:29:06,828 --> 01:29:08,454
and I want her
to work for it," right?
1526
01:29:11,916 --> 01:29:15,294
Don't you realize that
I had two children in two years?
1527
01:29:16,712 --> 01:29:18,214
I work so hard.
1528
01:29:19,506 --> 01:29:21,342
Donna had very loose parameters
1529
01:29:21,425 --> 01:29:23,802
of a script of how
her show was gonna go.
1530
01:29:24,428 --> 01:29:27,139
There were certain pattern
that she knew worked
1531
01:29:27,222 --> 01:29:29,057
that she would use night after night
1532
01:29:29,474 --> 01:29:31,810
but she was also spontaneous
in the moment.
1533
01:29:33,562 --> 01:29:36,356
- Woman
- Woman
1534
01:29:36,565 --> 01:29:37,732
Treat that man real good
1535
01:29:37,816 --> 01:29:40,402
She could make a comment
about something in the news
1536
01:29:40,694 --> 01:29:43,113
the color of the shirt
of the guy in the front row.
1537
01:29:44,072 --> 01:29:45,573
But now she says this thing
1538
01:29:46,241 --> 01:29:47,992
"God didn't make Adam and Steve.
1539
01:29:48,076 --> 01:29:49,369
He made Adam and Eve."
1540
01:29:49,452 --> 01:29:51,245
- God, he made the woman
- Yes, indeed
1541
01:29:51,329 --> 01:29:52,955
God, he made the man
1542
01:29:53,122 --> 01:29:55,750
And this was a comment
that was devastating
1543
01:29:55,833 --> 01:29:57,251
to many in the gay community.
1544
01:30:01,547 --> 01:30:02,882
The "Adam and Steve" thing
1545
01:30:03,007 --> 01:30:04,216
I find it insulting.
1546
01:30:04,550 --> 01:30:07,136
It was like I couldn't believe
that she would have said that.
1547
01:30:11,765 --> 01:30:14,184
For me, the relationship
that I had with your mom
1548
01:30:14,476 --> 01:30:15,853
was really through her music.
1549
01:30:16,478 --> 01:30:18,063
The songs that we all came out to.
1550
01:30:18,397 --> 01:30:19,648
And as a gay man
1551
01:30:20,440 --> 01:30:21,525
it rubbed me the wrong way.
1552
01:30:21,608 --> 01:30:23,318
And I thought, "I don't need
to support this anymore."
1553
01:30:28,365 --> 01:30:29,866
A lot of gay people already feel
1554
01:30:29,949 --> 01:30:31,159
like the church hates them.
1555
01:30:33,161 --> 01:30:35,663
And so what happened was
there was another mindset of
1556
01:30:35,747 --> 01:30:38,583
"Oh, she became one of those...
those people who hate us."
1557
01:30:40,168 --> 01:30:42,628
Their perception
of what they thought she meant.
1558
01:30:42,795 --> 01:30:45,339
It was like, "You shouldn't exist."
1559
01:30:48,759 --> 01:30:51,095
At some point, I think
we made a wrong decision
1560
01:30:51,387 --> 01:30:53,597
and that decision was not to respond.
1561
01:30:54,181 --> 01:30:56,058
We kinda figured,
"Oh, it'll go away."
1562
01:30:57,851 --> 01:30:59,395
But it didn't go away, and...
1563
01:30:59,478 --> 01:31:00,813
and we had to pay that price.
1564
01:31:00,896 --> 01:31:04,399
And... and it was...
it was a big price to pay.
1565
01:31:06,693 --> 01:31:08,487
What's happened with this comment?
1566
01:31:09,529 --> 01:31:12,782
Well, at some point,
it went from this comment
1567
01:31:13,867 --> 01:31:15,994
into Mommy supposedly saying
1568
01:31:16,077 --> 01:31:19,372
that AIDS was
God's punishment on gays
1569
01:31:19,789 --> 01:31:21,291
and that just was never the case.
1570
01:31:22,417 --> 01:31:24,210
Educate, don't speculate
1571
01:31:24,502 --> 01:31:26,587
- AIDS
- Be safe. Fight now
1572
01:31:26,754 --> 01:31:29,298
AIDS, educate, don't speculate
1573
01:31:29,507 --> 01:31:31,551
- AIDS
- Be safe. Fight now
1574
01:31:35,179 --> 01:31:36,389
I remember a situation
1575
01:31:36,472 --> 01:31:37,556
that she was doing
1576
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:38,766
an art event in Chicago.
1577
01:31:39,183 --> 01:31:41,018
We're here. We're queer.
1578
01:31:41,477 --> 01:31:42,520
The ACT UP people
1579
01:31:42,603 --> 01:31:45,064
their intent was to go in
and destroy all the art exhibit.
1580
01:31:45,981 --> 01:31:47,441
And ACT UP was adamant about saying
1581
01:31:47,524 --> 01:31:49,860
"Well, listen.
This is a person that we loved
1582
01:31:49,943 --> 01:31:52,112
and adored, and supported
1583
01:31:52,654 --> 01:31:54,531
and she turned her back on us."
1584
01:31:58,034 --> 01:32:01,079
I remember
people were canceling shows.
1585
01:32:01,454 --> 01:32:03,248
It was definitely a strain on her.
1586
01:32:03,623 --> 01:32:07,210
It was a time when I think she really
had to learn to rely on faith.
1587
01:32:08,586 --> 01:32:09,629
That hurt her the most
1588
01:32:09,712 --> 01:32:10,755
because she felt like
1589
01:32:10,922 --> 01:32:12,173
"They're gonna think I really said
1590
01:32:12,257 --> 01:32:13,299
those things.
1591
01:32:13,675 --> 01:32:16,010
They're gonna think I feel
that way about them, and I don't."
1592
01:32:23,476 --> 01:32:26,604
The magazine stated that
I said homosexuals were sinners
1593
01:32:27,021 --> 01:32:28,564
and AIDS was a divine ruling.
1594
01:32:29,732 --> 01:32:31,025
That is completely false.
1595
01:32:32,568 --> 01:32:35,195
I did not say it.
I do not believe that.
1596
01:32:36,989 --> 01:32:40,367
I would never say the things
attributed to me in that article.
1597
01:32:42,619 --> 01:32:44,162
These were people that she loved.
1598
01:32:45,414 --> 01:32:49,167
And for her to be viewed as somebody
who would cause them more pain
1599
01:32:50,835 --> 01:32:53,630
It's something I... I don't think
she ever got over.
1600
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:23,492
Do you feel that Mom
came to terms with her life?
1601
01:33:25,661 --> 01:33:28,205
The struggles,
the fear, the insecurity?
1602
01:33:31,458 --> 01:33:33,126
I don't know
if she came to terms fully.
1603
01:33:33,794 --> 01:33:35,712
I mean,
I think she was getting better.
1604
01:33:36,338 --> 01:33:38,173
When you're holding
a mirror up to yourself
1605
01:33:38,256 --> 01:33:40,675
and you're getting to see
all these avenues
1606
01:33:40,759 --> 01:33:42,343
of like an extension of yourself.
1607
01:33:43,261 --> 01:33:45,680
Your children
kind of growing and flourishing
1608
01:33:45,763 --> 01:33:47,891
- that brings something out of you
- Hey, guys, how you doing?
1609
01:33:47,974 --> 01:33:51,019
and it makes you have
to address certain things.
1610
01:33:51,102 --> 01:33:52,562
So I think she was getting there.
1611
01:33:52,645 --> 01:33:54,856
I think she was working
through certain things.
1612
01:34:03,656 --> 01:34:06,283
Yeah, baby...
1613
01:34:07,701 --> 01:34:09,286
I can see the shape of the world
1614
01:34:11,914 --> 01:34:12,956
Planet Earth below
1615
01:34:13,499 --> 01:34:14,583
To be honest with you
1616
01:34:14,666 --> 01:34:17,878
the fact that she got lung cancer
was very interesting to me.
1617
01:34:20,088 --> 01:34:23,049
For someone who fully used
their voice in so many ways
1618
01:34:23,133 --> 01:34:25,385
to not fully use their voice
in other ways
1619
01:34:25,552 --> 01:34:28,346
she carried so much for so long
1620
01:34:28,722 --> 01:34:31,808
that her body couldn't do it anymore.
1621
01:34:31,891 --> 01:34:36,854
Thousands of miles away
From who knows where
1622
01:34:37,146 --> 01:34:39,440
Who knows where...
1623
01:34:43,945 --> 01:34:48,908
There was a certain amount,
of not denial, but non-acceptance.
1624
01:34:50,242 --> 01:34:53,078
Donna never talked about her dying
1625
01:34:53,621 --> 01:34:55,497
or what would happen if she died.
1626
01:34:56,415 --> 01:34:57,958
Or that she was gonna die.
1627
01:34:58,417 --> 01:34:59,835
We never had that conversation.
1628
01:35:00,294 --> 01:35:01,920
We never spoke those words.
1629
01:35:03,922 --> 01:35:06,049
The fact that we didn't discuss it
1630
01:35:07,592 --> 01:35:12,681
did not make the obvious nature
of what was happening invisible.
1631
01:35:14,266 --> 01:35:17,018
She didn't want to give death power
1632
01:35:17,102 --> 01:35:19,229
by even speaking about it
or mentioning it.
1633
01:35:21,564 --> 01:35:23,858
Daddy, what... what day is today?
1634
01:35:24,442 --> 01:35:27,570
Today is December 25th, 2011
1635
01:35:28,362 --> 01:35:31,282
heading into a much
sunnier year of 2012.
1636
01:35:31,365 --> 01:35:32,533
- Yup, amen.
- Amen.
1637
01:35:32,617 --> 01:35:34,619
- Hallelujah.
- Amen, hallelujah.
1638
01:35:35,036 --> 01:35:38,706
- Mommy! Merry Christmas.
- Merry Christmas.
1639
01:35:54,179 --> 01:35:56,348
Is there a remedy
1640
01:35:57,682 --> 01:36:00,060
For the passions of the soul
1641
01:36:01,895 --> 01:36:04,439
Brother, if there is one
1642
01:36:05,523 --> 01:36:07,317
I don't really know.
1643
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:11,362
May... may I say
1644
01:36:11,446 --> 01:36:12,530
I... I wanna get mushy
1645
01:36:12,614 --> 01:36:13,656
because I... I realized something.
1646
01:36:13,740 --> 01:36:14,907
I've been in therapy, you know.
1647
01:36:15,116 --> 01:36:16,742
For all the six months...
No, seriously.
1648
01:36:16,826 --> 01:36:18,703
- I can relate.
- I really like making jokes
1649
01:36:18,786 --> 01:36:21,580
about things,
and not confronting the issue.
1650
01:36:21,998 --> 01:36:25,126
And so tonight, I would not like
to make a joke of anything.
1651
01:36:25,209 --> 01:36:26,293
I would like to confront the issue
1652
01:36:26,377 --> 01:36:28,963
and say that I...
I do dearly love everybody here.
1653
01:36:29,296 --> 01:36:32,925
And regardless to the changes that
we have gone through in this life
1654
01:36:33,300 --> 01:36:34,343
I know...
1655
01:36:34,551 --> 01:36:36,053
Hallelujah, don't let me
start preaching...
1656
01:36:36,512 --> 01:36:37,554
that...
1657
01:36:39,348 --> 01:36:40,891
we're all together for a reason.
1658
01:36:41,016 --> 01:36:42,184
- Amen.
- Amen.
1659
01:36:42,267 --> 01:36:43,435
- Amen.
- And I do hope that...
1660
01:36:44,144 --> 01:36:46,646
that I was able
to bring something to your life
1661
01:36:47,063 --> 01:36:48,815
and get something from your life
1662
01:36:49,357 --> 01:36:50,942
- that is irreplaceable.
- Amen.
1663
01:36:51,192 --> 01:36:52,235
Oh, Lord!
1664
01:37:02,537 --> 01:37:03,955
Mommy, I love you.
1665
01:37:04,914 --> 01:37:07,250
I'm gonna see you soon.
1666
01:37:08,042 --> 01:37:10,544
And I'm gonna perform for you.
1667
01:37:10,961 --> 01:37:13,506
Watching raindrops
1668
01:37:13,714 --> 01:37:16,383
Slowly falling
1669
01:37:16,634 --> 01:37:19,261
Painting pictures
1670
01:37:19,345 --> 01:37:23,015
On the window pane
1671
01:37:23,307 --> 01:37:25,893
Feelings my heart cannot...
1672
01:37:25,976 --> 01:37:27,269
There were times
in the middle of the night
1673
01:37:27,352 --> 01:37:28,395
when she would say stuff.
1674
01:37:29,771 --> 01:37:32,524
She would say,
"I don't like to be alone, Mimi."
1675
01:37:39,531 --> 01:37:41,950
When she woke up one night,
she was really having a hard night.
1676
01:37:43,284 --> 01:37:44,327
I said, "Ma, what's the matter?"
1677
01:37:44,494 --> 01:37:47,372
And she's like, "I just..."
And she's like, "I can't sleep.
1678
01:37:47,455 --> 01:37:49,082
I'm just so... I can't settle down."
1679
01:37:50,083 --> 01:37:51,459
I started to rub her back.
1680
01:37:52,335 --> 01:37:54,128
She was pretty tiny at that point.
1681
01:37:56,380 --> 01:37:59,300
I put my arm across her chest,
and she fell asleep.
1682
01:38:00,301 --> 01:38:02,803
So I scooped her up onto my lap
1683
01:38:03,762 --> 01:38:05,890
and I just kept rubbing her back.
1684
01:38:06,890 --> 01:38:08,517
That moment for me was like...
1685
01:38:09,810 --> 01:38:10,853
She was a baby.
1686
01:38:12,062 --> 01:38:13,313
It was like she just was
1687
01:38:13,397 --> 01:38:14,690
fully vulnerable, like
1688
01:38:14,773 --> 01:38:15,816
"Just hold me."
1689
01:38:21,863 --> 01:38:26,159
I think the most profound thing
is her allowing us to love her.
1690
01:38:27,494 --> 01:38:28,536
Yes.
1691
01:38:28,745 --> 01:38:31,039
Because in that moment,
she couldn't give us anything.
1692
01:38:31,581 --> 01:38:33,666
No, she had to only receive.
1693
01:38:33,750 --> 01:38:35,043
She could only receive.
1694
01:38:37,462 --> 01:38:41,340
It wasn't until she was
on her deathbed
1695
01:38:42,216 --> 01:38:46,470
that she finally understood
that I really loved her.
1696
01:38:47,888 --> 01:38:48,931
She looks at me
1697
01:38:49,306 --> 01:38:51,517
and she says, "You are my heart."
1698
01:39:00,567 --> 01:39:01,610
All right, well...
1699
01:39:08,950 --> 01:39:14,205
If there is music there
1700
01:39:16,332 --> 01:39:19,961
I'll have to go
1701
01:39:23,506 --> 01:39:29,887
Never been anything in my life
1702
01:39:29,971 --> 01:39:36,018
That I wanted more
1703
01:39:37,103 --> 01:39:43,442
This is my greatest fear
1704
01:39:44,568 --> 01:39:50,699
That I'm losing you my dear
1705
01:39:51,825 --> 01:39:58,165
It's more than I want to give
1706
01:39:59,583 --> 01:40:04,879
But if there is music there
1707
01:40:07,090 --> 01:40:12,220
If there is music there
1708
01:40:14,097 --> 01:40:18,184
I have to know
1709
01:40:21,020 --> 01:40:24,857
Never met anyone
1710
01:40:24,940 --> 01:40:27,401
Who could take music
1711
01:40:27,735 --> 01:40:33,282
Out of my soul
1712
01:40:34,199 --> 01:40:40,580
There's something deep inside
1713
01:40:41,331 --> 01:40:47,504
That I no longer want to hide
1714
01:40:48,380 --> 01:40:54,302
My love you would never share
1715
01:40:55,970 --> 01:41:01,934
If there is music there
1716
01:41:03,269 --> 01:41:04,479
I'm so sorry honey.
1717
01:41:05,146 --> 01:41:09,608
- I'm losing you
- See, I... I always... I loved you.
1718
01:41:10,651 --> 01:41:11,694
I did love you
1719
01:41:12,236 --> 01:41:20,536
- I'm losing you
- but I just have to go.
1720
01:41:42,682 --> 01:41:44,434
Sunset People, take two.
1721
01:41:59,907 --> 01:42:01,700
For sunset
1722
01:42:03,577 --> 01:42:04,620
Riot house
1723
01:42:05,162 --> 01:42:06,914
Now what camera?
Should I just face forward?
1724
01:42:07,289 --> 01:42:09,374
Yes, face forward. Rewind her.
1725
01:42:10,209 --> 01:42:12,252
It's too much light.
You're bleaching away my color.
1726
01:42:14,755 --> 01:42:15,797
Fix it in the mix.
1727
01:42:18,258 --> 01:42:20,051
You've never had your hair done
by a sailor before, huh?
1728
01:42:22,053 --> 01:42:23,096
Yes.
1729
01:42:28,101 --> 01:42:30,645
- Excuse me.
- One, two, three, four.
1730
01:42:32,814 --> 01:42:35,400
Who are these places?
1731
01:42:35,984 --> 01:42:38,778
What are these faces?
1732
01:42:44,450 --> 01:42:46,327
Yes, I'm giving up
all your love for me.
1733
01:42:52,750 --> 01:42:53,792
Don't let it throw you.
1734
01:42:54,126 --> 01:42:55,169
Come on. Let me show.
1735
01:42:55,836 --> 01:42:58,005
What are these places?
Whose are these faces?
1736
01:43:08,458 --> 01:43:16,799
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