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It's a left glove... 15 00:01:07,256 --> 00:01:10,023 and a blood trail indicating the 16 00:01:10,025 --> 00:01:12,959 suspect has been wounded on the left side. 17 00:01:12,961 --> 00:01:16,263 So we're just getting into this when we 18 00:01:16,265 --> 00:01:21,935 find out that this is apparently OJ Simpson's estranged wife. 19 00:01:24,039 --> 00:01:26,873 We have two children asleep. 20 00:01:26,875 --> 00:01:29,776 I have a very brutal murder. 21 00:01:29,778 --> 00:01:33,046 Someone's gotta make a death notification of next of kin. 22 00:01:33,048 --> 00:01:34,114 Which is Simpson. 23 00:01:35,884 --> 00:01:38,852 Lang and Vannatter were talking 24 00:01:38,854 --> 00:01:41,488 and they called me over and said, 25 00:01:41,490 --> 00:01:44,224 "You were at Simpson's house once, right? 26 00:01:44,226 --> 00:01:46,193 We want you to take us up there." 27 00:01:49,732 --> 00:01:53,066 We pull close to the gate. 28 00:01:55,137 --> 00:01:59,206 Vannatter was hitting the doorbell, 29 00:01:59,208 --> 00:02:00,240 they keep ringing the doorbell 30 00:02:00,242 --> 00:02:03,543 and so I just stroll down the street. 31 00:02:03,545 --> 00:02:07,214 (ominous music) 32 00:02:07,216 --> 00:02:11,885 By the other gate, there's a white Bronco. 33 00:02:11,887 --> 00:02:14,888 On the driver's side door handle, blood. 34 00:02:16,825 --> 00:02:20,594 I mean there was enough evidence outside, 35 00:02:20,596 --> 00:02:24,264 we gotta make sure everybody's okay in here. 36 00:02:24,266 --> 00:02:27,567 Oh God, what are we going to do, Simpson's in there dead. 37 00:02:27,569 --> 00:02:29,202 Well, yeah, we need to go in. 38 00:02:29,204 --> 00:02:33,373 So I jumped up over the fence and I opened the gate. 39 00:02:33,375 --> 00:02:35,809 (ominous music) 40 00:02:37,279 --> 00:02:40,213 Bang on the front door, nothing. 41 00:02:40,215 --> 00:02:44,551 Walk around to the back, there's a couple of bungalows. 42 00:02:44,553 --> 00:02:47,788 The first one was Kato Kaelin's. 43 00:02:47,790 --> 00:02:50,357 Kato Kaelin was a live-in... 44 00:02:52,761 --> 00:02:55,028 ... friend. 45 00:02:55,030 --> 00:02:58,432 We say to the police, "Check on Mr. Simpson." 46 00:03:00,135 --> 00:03:02,536 OJ's in Chicago. 47 00:03:02,538 --> 00:03:04,137 Well, he left last night. 48 00:03:04,139 --> 00:03:06,106 Oh, thank God. 49 00:03:06,108 --> 00:03:09,843 They all leave and I'm left here with Kato Kaelin. 50 00:03:11,046 --> 00:03:13,980 I go "Tell me what you did last night." 51 00:03:13,982 --> 00:03:17,284 He goes, "Well I was talking on the phone 52 00:03:17,286 --> 00:03:20,587 and all a sudden there was, like, an earthquake. 53 00:03:20,589 --> 00:03:22,656 It was just like... (pounding) 54 00:03:22,658 --> 00:03:25,125 ... on the wall and pictures shook." 55 00:03:27,496 --> 00:03:28,628 Okay. 56 00:03:29,498 --> 00:03:34,768 I walk back outside and I start walking 57 00:03:34,770 --> 00:03:37,537 down the back, behind the bungalows. 58 00:03:38,407 --> 00:03:41,208 And then as I pan down, 59 00:03:42,744 --> 00:03:46,012 I see this brown, glistening... 60 00:03:46,014 --> 00:03:50,016 At first I thought it was dog crap. 61 00:03:50,018 --> 00:03:53,420 And then I shined a light on it. It's a glove. 62 00:03:57,326 --> 00:04:00,360 Just like the one... Ed Bundy... 63 00:04:00,362 --> 00:04:03,530 Uh, yeah, this is gonna get deep. 64 00:04:03,532 --> 00:04:06,099 This is gonna be a crime scene. 65 00:04:06,101 --> 00:04:08,869 (ominous music) 66 00:04:28,724 --> 00:04:31,958 I make the decision to make a telephonic 67 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:36,296 to the Brown family and I talk to Lou Brown 68 00:04:36,298 --> 00:04:39,065 and say that your daughter Nicole is dead. 69 00:04:40,702 --> 00:04:42,302 It's quiet for about two seconds then 70 00:04:42,304 --> 00:04:47,140 all this screaming. It's Nicole's sister, Denise. 71 00:04:47,142 --> 00:04:49,543 "I knew that motherfucker, he was gonna kill, 72 00:04:49,545 --> 00:04:51,578 I knew he was gonna do this." 73 00:04:51,580 --> 00:04:53,747 I mean, she didn't hesitate. 74 00:04:53,749 --> 00:04:55,248 Nobody comes unglued like that 75 00:04:55,250 --> 00:04:58,218 unless they have a strong suspicion. 76 00:04:58,220 --> 00:05:01,254 We gotta look at it a little differently now. 77 00:05:01,256 --> 00:05:03,156 We lock everything down, no more searching, 78 00:05:03,158 --> 00:05:07,260 can't do anything until we get a warrant. 79 00:05:07,262 --> 00:05:09,663 Phil Vannatter called me and said, 80 00:05:09,665 --> 00:05:12,165 "I've got some information; I need to get a search warrant. 81 00:05:12,167 --> 00:05:15,368 I need you to tell me if you think it sounds okay." 82 00:05:15,370 --> 00:05:19,706 And he just summarized the evidence and it was huge. 83 00:05:19,708 --> 00:05:22,242 Okay, yeah, go ahead, get the search warrant, you're fine. 84 00:05:22,244 --> 00:05:25,211 And he said, "You know who it is? 85 00:05:25,213 --> 00:05:26,513 It's OJ Simpson." 86 00:05:27,382 --> 00:05:28,949 OJ Simpson? 87 00:05:29,751 --> 00:05:30,817 Um... 88 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,386 I was never into sports, 89 00:05:33,388 --> 00:05:35,855 so I didn't even know what game he played. 90 00:05:37,526 --> 00:05:39,793 I thought he was a has-been. 91 00:05:41,229 --> 00:05:43,563 Monday afternoon came around, 92 00:05:43,565 --> 00:05:47,601 Simpson came back from Chicago and they handcuff him. 93 00:05:50,305 --> 00:05:53,807 It was quite surprising. 94 00:05:54,743 --> 00:05:59,613 Your ex-husband's always a suspect in a case. 95 00:05:59,615 --> 00:06:04,551 Okay, wow. (laughing) Here we go. 96 00:06:04,553 --> 00:06:07,954 (ominous music) 97 00:06:26,308 --> 00:06:29,476 He said he's gonna talk to us, which is really strange. 98 00:06:33,649 --> 00:06:38,585 You have one opportunity forever 99 00:06:38,587 --> 00:06:41,254 to talk to this guy, forever. 100 00:06:51,633 --> 00:06:54,701 He's thinking he can control a couple of cops. 101 00:06:54,703 --> 00:06:58,038 Especially these guys 'cause, you know, they're pretty nice. 102 00:07:15,824 --> 00:07:19,459 What Vannatter and Lang failed to do was 103 00:07:19,461 --> 00:07:21,561 simply to pin him down on what 104 00:07:21,563 --> 00:07:24,064 he did on the day of the murder. 105 00:07:30,005 --> 00:07:34,641 OJ just rambled and created an interview 106 00:07:34,643 --> 00:07:38,144 transcript that was useless to the prosecution. 107 00:07:51,727 --> 00:07:52,759 What do you mean, you were running 108 00:07:52,761 --> 00:07:54,327 around doing what you do? 109 00:07:54,329 --> 00:07:55,595 What do you mean? 110 00:07:55,597 --> 00:07:58,064 What do you mean you cut yourself in Chicago 111 00:07:58,066 --> 00:07:59,699 but the blood got on the Bronco before you left. 112 00:07:59,701 --> 00:08:01,067 What do you mean? 113 00:08:01,069 --> 00:08:03,603 There's a million things that they just let go. 114 00:08:03,605 --> 00:08:05,572 Yeah, uh huh, yeah, uh huh. 115 00:08:05,574 --> 00:08:06,806 Oh my God. 116 00:08:07,943 --> 00:08:11,377 What I wanted was his blood, photographs 117 00:08:11,379 --> 00:08:13,446 taken of the bleeding finger, I wanted his 118 00:08:13,448 --> 00:08:16,316 fingerprints now that we've got his cooperation. 119 00:08:27,863 --> 00:08:29,529 We get the blood, we get all these things 120 00:08:29,531 --> 00:08:31,898 we want which are going to be evidence. 121 00:08:31,900 --> 00:08:34,100 And then, ya know, he's released. 122 00:08:34,102 --> 00:08:34,868 What? 123 00:08:34,870 --> 00:08:37,470 Why would you do that? 124 00:08:38,974 --> 00:08:43,176 If he was any other guy, would you have let him go? 125 00:08:44,780 --> 00:08:46,479 And they said, "Where can he go? 126 00:08:46,481 --> 00:08:47,881 After all, what can he do?" 127 00:08:47,883 --> 00:08:51,251 I mean, everybody recognizes him. 128 00:08:51,253 --> 00:08:54,020 (orchestral music) 129 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:26,286 When I went over to Rockingham, 130 00:09:26,288 --> 00:09:29,189 he had like three TV's 131 00:09:29,191 --> 00:09:30,757 and each and every one of them, 132 00:09:30,759 --> 00:09:33,159 he had a different channel on. 133 00:09:41,703 --> 00:09:44,103 Suspect, what are you talking about? 134 00:09:44,105 --> 00:09:45,105 Is he crazy? 135 00:09:46,141 --> 00:09:50,777 And I said, "OJ, what happened to your finger?" 136 00:09:50,779 --> 00:09:55,114 And he says, "I cut it on a glass in Chicago." 137 00:09:55,116 --> 00:09:57,717 And I went oh, okay. 138 00:09:58,854 --> 00:10:02,856 Somebody else sat down and asked him the same question 139 00:10:02,858 --> 00:10:06,526 and he said, "I was chipping golf balls." 140 00:10:06,528 --> 00:10:11,297 And I went, uh-hmm, later on that evening, 141 00:10:11,299 --> 00:10:14,534 same question came out, "Oh man, I was getting 142 00:10:14,536 --> 00:10:18,471 the cell phone out of the Bronco, cut myself." 143 00:10:18,473 --> 00:10:19,906 I was like, wow. 144 00:10:22,043 --> 00:10:27,714 I tried to leave there and OJ goes, "Shipp, hold on." 145 00:10:27,716 --> 00:10:29,015 and he says, "They asked me to take 146 00:10:29,017 --> 00:10:31,384 a lie detector test. 147 00:10:31,386 --> 00:10:33,386 I told them no." 148 00:10:33,388 --> 00:10:35,722 I said, "What do you mean, you told them no?" 149 00:10:35,724 --> 00:10:37,757 And he says, you know, jokingly, he says 150 00:10:37,759 --> 00:10:39,692 "Well, you know to be truthful, Shipp, 151 00:10:39,694 --> 00:10:41,594 I have had dreams of killing her." 152 00:10:45,233 --> 00:10:47,367 I wanted to leave. 153 00:10:47,369 --> 00:10:49,168 I said, "I'm outta here." 154 00:10:57,379 --> 00:10:58,745 Here, at OJ Simpson's home, 155 00:10:58,747 --> 00:11:00,880 in the fashionable suburb of Brentwood, 156 00:11:00,882 --> 00:11:03,850 the world media has settled in to the siege. 157 00:11:03,852 --> 00:11:05,218 Against the public backdrop, 158 00:11:05,220 --> 00:11:07,754 police are quietly, methodically reconstructing 159 00:11:07,756 --> 00:11:10,957 the events of last Sunday evening to answer the question: 160 00:11:10,959 --> 00:11:15,361 Could this American sports hero, possibly, be a murderer? 161 00:11:18,466 --> 00:11:21,534 (deep bass music) 162 00:12:38,046 --> 00:12:40,613 (jet engines) 163 00:12:51,459 --> 00:12:54,827 At the time that this murder took place, 164 00:12:54,829 --> 00:12:59,999 OJ was at home, awaiting a limousine 165 00:13:00,001 --> 00:13:01,567 to take him to the airport 166 00:13:01,569 --> 00:13:05,038 for a promotional event in Chicago. 167 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:06,839 OJ Simpson has described 168 00:13:06,841 --> 00:13:08,341 him as his quarterback. 169 00:13:08,343 --> 00:13:10,877 He is defense attorney Robert Shapiro. 170 00:13:10,879 --> 00:13:12,645 I agree with that assessment. 171 00:13:12,647 --> 00:13:14,881 (upbeat music) 172 00:13:18,253 --> 00:13:20,486 He was known as the fixer. 173 00:13:20,488 --> 00:13:22,388 He was a Hollywood lawyer. 174 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,628 He was not know as a "trial dogg" with two G's. 175 00:13:29,864 --> 00:13:34,734 You hired Bob Shapiro to cut a deal. 176 00:13:34,736 --> 00:13:37,737 Bob had never tried a murder case. 177 00:13:37,739 --> 00:13:39,038 And so when he called me in June 178 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,375 and said, "I need some help in the OJ case." 179 00:13:42,377 --> 00:13:44,077 I was more than ready. 180 00:13:45,747 --> 00:13:47,213 Well, I worked for Bob Shapiro 181 00:13:47,215 --> 00:13:49,749 on some of his other cases 182 00:13:49,751 --> 00:13:51,217 and I was pretty successful. 183 00:13:51,219 --> 00:13:55,855 So they recruited me as the defense investigator. 184 00:13:59,761 --> 00:14:00,960 OJ was putting together his team. 185 00:14:00,962 --> 00:14:02,295 They sent a guy over to me. 186 00:14:02,297 --> 00:14:04,730 "Hey man, we're putting together this thing." 187 00:14:04,732 --> 00:14:07,633 "We're going to need you, OJ needs you." 188 00:14:07,635 --> 00:14:11,637 And I said, "I'm not on board." 189 00:14:13,374 --> 00:14:15,942 And I'll never forget that investigator's look on his face. 190 00:14:15,944 --> 00:14:17,610 He said, "What?" 191 00:14:17,612 --> 00:14:22,014 I said, "OJ killed her, I'm not on board." 192 00:14:23,818 --> 00:14:26,352 (piano music) 193 00:14:30,492 --> 00:14:33,292 I gotta say, I have a lot of fun with her. 194 00:14:33,294 --> 00:14:35,228 At times, I felt like a big brother to her 'cause 195 00:14:35,230 --> 00:14:37,330 I'd come over there and she'd share things with me. 196 00:14:37,332 --> 00:14:38,798 And I kinda felt special that she thought 197 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,101 enough of me to tell me her problems. 198 00:14:42,103 --> 00:14:44,237 She's a great human being. 199 00:14:44,239 --> 00:14:45,404 Thank you. 200 00:14:45,406 --> 00:14:47,673 (applause) 201 00:14:49,511 --> 00:14:51,677 I remember early in... 202 00:14:54,249 --> 00:14:57,450 in the years that her and OJ was dating, 203 00:14:57,452 --> 00:14:58,784 we were all down in the Caribbean. 204 00:14:58,786 --> 00:15:00,953 OJ was working on a film, 205 00:15:00,955 --> 00:15:04,991 and if a lot of don't know, I'm gonna let you know now, 206 00:15:04,993 --> 00:15:07,126 blacks can not swim, we can't float. 207 00:15:07,128 --> 00:15:09,762 (laughter) 208 00:15:09,764 --> 00:15:11,197 Justin can. 209 00:15:11,199 --> 00:15:14,834 Well, thank God, well he got that from his mom. 210 00:15:14,836 --> 00:15:17,103 So, we're out in the saltwater, right? 211 00:15:17,105 --> 00:15:19,972 And Nicole is out there looking like, you know, 212 00:15:19,974 --> 00:15:22,475 she was made to swim, she's backstroking and 213 00:15:22,477 --> 00:15:24,644 she's doing all these things. 214 00:15:24,646 --> 00:15:26,712 So, here's OJ and I, we're standing 215 00:15:26,714 --> 00:15:28,881 on the shore and she's waving us in. 216 00:15:28,883 --> 00:15:30,149 (laughter) 217 00:15:30,151 --> 00:15:32,985 Now, this is saltwater, in the Caribbean. 218 00:15:32,987 --> 00:15:34,887 Everything down there floats. 219 00:15:34,889 --> 00:15:36,956 OJ and I got out there and we tried to float, 220 00:15:36,958 --> 00:15:40,626 and she thought that's the funniest thing 221 00:15:40,628 --> 00:15:42,061 she'd ever seen in her life. 222 00:15:42,063 --> 00:15:43,796 She could not believe it. 223 00:15:43,798 --> 00:15:45,698 And one of the things about Nicole, 224 00:15:45,700 --> 00:15:48,568 which all of you will agree, was Nicole's laugh. 225 00:15:48,570 --> 00:15:50,636 Once that woman laughed, 226 00:15:50,638 --> 00:15:52,471 she was, uh... 227 00:15:52,473 --> 00:15:56,242 She brought out a lot of goodness in you. 228 00:15:56,244 --> 00:15:58,010 Nicole was very, very special to me. 229 00:15:58,012 --> 00:15:59,579 That was my buddy. 230 00:15:59,581 --> 00:16:01,447 And, um... 231 00:16:03,351 --> 00:16:06,886 And I know, Sydney and Justin, 232 00:16:08,389 --> 00:16:11,324 you've been blessed because of a lot 233 00:16:11,326 --> 00:16:14,026 of her character and the goodness about her. 234 00:16:14,028 --> 00:16:16,162 You're not going to notice it now, 235 00:16:16,164 --> 00:16:18,497 but you're going to notice it as you get older 236 00:16:18,499 --> 00:16:22,134 cause she's laid a great foundation for you two. 237 00:16:24,372 --> 00:16:26,505 I love you, Nicole, and I love you too, Jason. 238 00:16:26,507 --> 00:16:28,341 I mean Justin and Sydney 239 00:16:28,343 --> 00:16:31,944 and I'll always will be there for you. 240 00:16:31,946 --> 00:16:33,946 (applause) 241 00:16:41,022 --> 00:16:43,055 OJ Simpson may soon face legal action. 242 00:16:43,057 --> 00:16:45,124 The Associated Press says a homicide detective 243 00:16:45,126 --> 00:16:48,794 has told them Simpson's arrest is imminent. 244 00:16:50,531 --> 00:16:51,897 It is not only OJ Simpson's life 245 00:16:51,899 --> 00:16:53,899 that is coming under the media microscope. 246 00:16:53,901 --> 00:16:56,135 Reporters are looking, too, at Ronald Goldman, 247 00:16:56,137 --> 00:16:59,438 the aspiring model, who was killed with Nicole Simpson. 248 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,874 His family said he was nothing more than a friend. 249 00:17:01,876 --> 00:17:04,944 He was a special human being 250 00:17:06,447 --> 00:17:09,181 that didn't deserve what's happened. 251 00:17:11,586 --> 00:17:14,453 He was gonna open a restaurant. 252 00:17:16,457 --> 00:17:22,228 After Ron was murdered, we went to his apartment. 253 00:17:22,230 --> 00:17:25,097 He had a floor plan, he had a menu, 254 00:17:25,099 --> 00:17:26,999 he had names of people whose art 255 00:17:27,001 --> 00:17:29,468 he was gonna hang on the wall. 256 00:17:29,470 --> 00:17:31,837 He had everything worked out. 257 00:17:31,839 --> 00:17:33,973 Obviously, this is your older brother. 258 00:17:33,975 --> 00:17:35,474 We don't get to spend very much time together, 259 00:17:35,476 --> 00:17:37,343 so I'm very glad that I was able to be here. 260 00:17:37,345 --> 00:17:40,880 So I love you very much and I'll see you soon. 261 00:17:42,617 --> 00:17:44,884 That was all taken away. 262 00:17:54,529 --> 00:17:58,531 My sister's body was gonna be behind closed doors. 263 00:17:58,533 --> 00:18:01,867 I said to my friend, "I can't go in there." 264 00:18:03,638 --> 00:18:05,137 And as I'm having this conversation 265 00:18:05,139 --> 00:18:07,606 with them I'm hearing screams. 266 00:18:10,645 --> 00:18:13,846 Looking at her I can remember a black 267 00:18:13,848 --> 00:18:17,183 dress up to her neck because 268 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,455 what I had heard is that her head was 269 00:18:22,457 --> 00:18:24,623 almost cut off all the way. 270 00:18:24,625 --> 00:18:28,327 Which even shocked me more and more. 271 00:18:28,329 --> 00:18:30,029 I mean that was just like... 272 00:18:31,499 --> 00:18:37,002 and seeing her there, lying there in a coffin. 273 00:18:37,004 --> 00:18:40,873 I mean, it really, I mean, 274 00:18:40,875 --> 00:18:43,576 I don't know, it's just terrible. 275 00:18:49,083 --> 00:18:50,883 He came to the wake. 276 00:18:52,487 --> 00:18:55,421 It was just unbelievable. 277 00:18:56,991 --> 00:19:00,960 We were all kind of in shock that he came there. 278 00:19:02,730 --> 00:19:06,832 Judy asked him directly, did you kill my daughter? 279 00:19:06,834 --> 00:19:10,503 No, no. I loved her too much. 280 00:19:14,275 --> 00:19:16,709 He was, like, on Xanax or something. 281 00:19:16,711 --> 00:19:19,578 He was just sedated. 282 00:19:20,948 --> 00:19:23,249 I leaned over to him and said, 283 00:19:23,251 --> 00:19:25,785 "We're going to get through this." 284 00:19:26,587 --> 00:19:29,088 I had no idea what was going on. 285 00:19:30,725 --> 00:19:33,592 (orchestral music) 286 00:19:49,310 --> 00:19:50,776 Action News has learned that Simpson's 287 00:19:50,778 --> 00:19:53,479 attorney is working on a deal with police 288 00:19:53,481 --> 00:19:55,448 for Simpson's surrender to avoid what the 289 00:19:55,450 --> 00:19:59,385 lawyer calls, and we quote, "a media circus." 290 00:19:59,387 --> 00:20:02,154 (orchestral music) 291 00:20:18,473 --> 00:20:19,839 Shapiro was going to surrender 292 00:20:19,841 --> 00:20:22,575 him to the detectives in the morning. 293 00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:31,317 We're standing outside Parker Center 294 00:20:31,319 --> 00:20:33,752 waiting for OJ to turn himself in. 295 00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:39,158 Every time a car would pass by, is that OJ? 296 00:20:42,196 --> 00:20:43,829 I think it was 11:00. 297 00:20:45,199 --> 00:20:47,833 Oh, no, he doesn't show up. 298 00:20:48,970 --> 00:20:52,872 I think I'd already scheduled a press conference. 299 00:20:52,874 --> 00:20:54,240 And it's like, oh, no. 300 00:20:55,376 --> 00:20:59,345 We potentially could look like a bunch of clowns here. 301 00:21:03,384 --> 00:21:07,286 I did not know about the arrangements for his surrender. 302 00:21:07,288 --> 00:21:08,320 I went with the assumption that they 303 00:21:08,322 --> 00:21:10,289 would announce that he had been arrested. 304 00:21:10,291 --> 00:21:13,292 Gascon's coming up. 305 00:21:13,294 --> 00:21:14,293 Looking out at the auditorium, 306 00:21:14,295 --> 00:21:16,629 not only are all the seats taken, 307 00:21:16,631 --> 00:21:18,063 but all the aisles are jammed, 308 00:21:18,065 --> 00:21:20,733 the front is jammed, the back wall is jammed. 309 00:21:20,735 --> 00:21:23,302 He's on the stage. 310 00:21:23,304 --> 00:21:24,570 And I was the one who was gonna 311 00:21:24,572 --> 00:21:26,872 have to stand out there naked. 312 00:21:30,878 --> 00:21:34,046 This morning detectives for the Los Angeles 313 00:21:34,048 --> 00:21:37,883 Police Department sought and obtained a warrant 314 00:21:37,885 --> 00:21:41,253 for the arrest of OJ Simpson, charging him 315 00:21:41,255 --> 00:21:43,856 with the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson 316 00:21:43,858 --> 00:21:46,091 and Ronald Lyle Goldman. 317 00:21:47,662 --> 00:21:52,631 Mr. Simpson, in agreement with his attorney, 318 00:21:53,834 --> 00:21:56,435 was scheduled to surrender this morning, 319 00:21:56,437 --> 00:21:58,537 to the Los Angeles Police Department. 320 00:21:58,539 --> 00:22:00,906 Initially, that was 11:00. 321 00:22:02,510 --> 00:22:04,944 It then became 11:45. 322 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,014 Mr. Simpson has not appeared. 323 00:22:13,354 --> 00:22:16,355 The Los Angeles Police Department, right now, 324 00:22:16,357 --> 00:22:19,959 is actively searching for Mr. Simpson. 325 00:22:22,897 --> 00:22:24,597 The gasp that went through the room, 326 00:22:24,599 --> 00:22:25,965 I think it's right at that moment, 327 00:22:25,967 --> 00:22:28,867 that I realized, oh boy, this is big. 328 00:22:28,869 --> 00:22:31,704 We will continue our pursuit of Mr. Simpson 329 00:22:31,706 --> 00:22:34,840 and hope to have him in custody soon. 330 00:22:36,477 --> 00:22:38,444 He's gone. 331 00:22:38,446 --> 00:22:39,478 I looked at Marika and said, 332 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,448 "It's a helicopter story now. 333 00:22:42,450 --> 00:22:45,618 Let's find this son of a bitch." 334 00:22:45,620 --> 00:22:47,252 I can take a few questions. 335 00:22:47,254 --> 00:22:50,255 (everyone speaks at once) 336 00:22:50,257 --> 00:22:51,590 I'd known Gascon for a long time 337 00:22:51,592 --> 00:22:54,960 and he's a fairly easygoing guy normally. 338 00:22:54,962 --> 00:22:56,295 You're gonna have to hold it down. 339 00:22:56,297 --> 00:22:58,297 One at a time or won't be able to hear you. 340 00:22:58,299 --> 00:23:01,133 Then a sense of humor to add a light touch. 341 00:23:01,135 --> 00:23:03,302 You asked a question, would you like for me to answer? 342 00:23:03,304 --> 00:23:06,005 He got pretty tightly wound that day. 343 00:23:06,007 --> 00:23:08,474 I doubt that there's anyone around this country 344 00:23:08,476 --> 00:23:10,109 that's been monitoring television, radio, 345 00:23:10,111 --> 00:23:12,511 or newspapers, that doesn't know at this point 346 00:23:12,513 --> 00:23:15,547 that something's going on in this case. 347 00:23:17,585 --> 00:23:23,088 If you, in any way, are assisting Mr. Simpson 348 00:23:23,090 --> 00:23:25,824 in avoiding justice, Mr. Simpson is a fugitive of 349 00:23:25,826 --> 00:23:28,794 justice right now. 350 00:23:28,796 --> 00:23:31,463 And If you assist him in any way, 351 00:23:31,465 --> 00:23:33,899 you are committing a felony. 352 00:23:34,869 --> 00:23:36,802 I was pissed off that we were in essence 353 00:23:36,804 --> 00:23:39,738 given the old Italian gesture. 354 00:23:41,042 --> 00:23:45,778 I don't recall being that upset before in the DA's office. 355 00:23:45,780 --> 00:23:47,546 I'm angry, I'm not embarrassed. 356 00:23:47,548 --> 00:23:49,882 Angry at who, beyond... 357 00:23:49,884 --> 00:23:51,850 I'm angry at OJ Simpson. 358 00:23:59,694 --> 00:24:02,094 (police radio) 359 00:24:27,755 --> 00:24:30,656 It is not an escape, he was not under arrest. 360 00:24:30,658 --> 00:24:35,928 He was under sedation in a very very emotional state. 361 00:24:37,565 --> 00:24:41,834 He was at a residence that is secluded, 362 00:24:41,836 --> 00:24:45,270 that is very, very hard to find, 363 00:24:45,272 --> 00:24:47,873 and there was never any thought of him 364 00:24:47,875 --> 00:24:50,175 leaving that residence without us. 365 00:24:52,747 --> 00:24:56,615 This letter was written by OJ today. 366 00:24:58,018 --> 00:25:02,087 First, everyone understand, 367 00:25:02,089 --> 00:25:05,958 I had nothing to do with Nicole's murder. 368 00:25:07,261 --> 00:25:12,464 I loved her, always have, and always will. 369 00:25:12,466 --> 00:25:18,203 If we had a problem, it's because I loved her so much. 370 00:25:19,573 --> 00:25:22,608 It's 1700, 5 pm, when you have 371 00:25:22,610 --> 00:25:25,611 Karsashian reading the letter. 372 00:25:25,613 --> 00:25:31,617 I thought, wow, maybe he killed himself. 373 00:25:31,619 --> 00:25:36,955 I think of my life and feel I've done most 374 00:25:36,957 --> 00:25:41,193 of the right things, so why do I end up like this? 375 00:25:42,963 --> 00:25:44,830 I can't go on. 376 00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:48,801 No matter what the outcome, 377 00:25:48,803 --> 00:25:50,836 people will look and point. 378 00:25:51,972 --> 00:25:53,639 I can't take that. 379 00:25:53,641 --> 00:25:58,143 I can't subject my children to that. 380 00:25:58,145 --> 00:26:01,013 We deal with folks who are in crisis 381 00:26:01,015 --> 00:26:07,352 and get to a very dark place and they just do it. 382 00:26:07,354 --> 00:26:09,388 Don't feel sorry for me. 383 00:26:10,357 --> 00:26:12,457 I've had a great life. 384 00:26:12,459 --> 00:26:14,626 Great friends. 385 00:26:14,628 --> 00:26:19,765 Please think of the real OJ and not this lost person. 386 00:26:24,138 --> 00:26:30,342 The note says, to me, feel sorry for me but... 387 00:26:30,344 --> 00:26:32,911 I'm the guy, you know, I'm the bad guy. 388 00:26:35,983 --> 00:26:38,050 He was, Mr. Cawlings was with him, 389 00:26:38,052 --> 00:26:41,820 he was his best friend, he was by his side 390 00:26:41,822 --> 00:26:44,890 for the last few minutes alone while we were upstairs. 391 00:26:47,127 --> 00:26:49,928 AC just had a love for OJ. 392 00:26:51,699 --> 00:26:55,000 I remember once, in high school, 393 00:26:55,002 --> 00:26:56,301 a friend of mine had a starter 394 00:26:56,303 --> 00:26:59,238 pistol that he brought to school. 395 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,639 So we said okay, let's go, 396 00:27:00,641 --> 00:27:04,476 take the gun and pull it on OJ 397 00:27:04,478 --> 00:27:07,512 and act like we're gonna shoot him. 398 00:27:07,514 --> 00:27:10,315 We were all down for it. 399 00:27:10,317 --> 00:27:15,721 So, we went out on the field where OJ and Al were 400 00:27:15,723 --> 00:27:18,857 and my friend, Ray, well, he pulled the gun out 401 00:27:18,859 --> 00:27:21,860 and everybody sorta stepped back. 402 00:27:21,862 --> 00:27:26,899 And Al Cowlings stepped in front of OJ. 403 00:27:27,835 --> 00:27:32,938 And said, "Ray, if you gonna shoot OJ, 404 00:27:32,940 --> 00:27:35,073 you gotta shoot me first." 405 00:27:38,445 --> 00:27:40,946 (police radios) 406 00:27:42,883 --> 00:27:45,784 1993 Ford Bronco. 407 00:27:48,589 --> 00:27:51,757 We're listening to the Los Angeles Police Department 408 00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:53,759 and they believe that this vehicle 409 00:27:53,761 --> 00:27:57,462 is somewhere in the vicinity of the El Toro Y. 410 00:27:58,732 --> 00:28:00,933 And I look down below and there's the El Toro Y. 411 00:28:02,636 --> 00:28:05,037 And there's a white Bronco. 412 00:28:05,973 --> 00:28:07,873 Then there's a sheriff's unit and 413 00:28:07,875 --> 00:28:10,742 there's another sheriff's unit and another sheriff's unit. 414 00:28:10,744 --> 00:28:13,045 Okay, here we are, open the door. 415 00:28:13,047 --> 00:28:17,749 We get the door open and we get our very first shot. 416 00:28:17,751 --> 00:28:19,818 And I'm back on the two way radio 417 00:28:19,820 --> 00:28:23,455 telling CBS, you gotta get us on the air, we found him. 418 00:28:25,125 --> 00:28:27,726 And with a flip of the switch, we were on with Dan Rather. 419 00:28:27,728 --> 00:28:29,227 This is Dan Rather with Connie Chung 420 00:28:29,229 --> 00:28:30,762 in Los Angeles and let's hold on a second here. 421 00:28:30,764 --> 00:28:33,966 I'm seeing on the monitor this live helicopter 422 00:28:33,968 --> 00:28:37,102 coverage of the Ford Bronco being followed by the police. 423 00:28:37,104 --> 00:28:39,571 And let's pick up some of the 424 00:28:39,573 --> 00:28:41,506 transmission from the helicopter. 425 00:28:41,508 --> 00:28:42,975 They believe he's suicidal 426 00:28:42,977 --> 00:28:44,843 and very dangerous. 427 00:28:44,845 --> 00:28:47,980 Unfortunately at this time it does not 428 00:28:47,982 --> 00:28:50,983 appear as though the driver is slowing down 429 00:28:50,985 --> 00:28:55,520 or complying with the orders of the officers. 430 00:28:55,522 --> 00:28:59,091 We were on the air exclusively for 22 minutes. 431 00:28:59,093 --> 00:29:03,195 And this was the most conflicted I had every been. 432 00:29:03,197 --> 00:29:04,696 The gravity of the murder, I mean, 433 00:29:04,698 --> 00:29:09,001 this was a double homicide and this is a tragic story. 434 00:29:09,003 --> 00:29:12,871 Very few human beings fall as far as OJ Simpson. 435 00:29:12,873 --> 00:29:15,974 I've fallen quite a bit transitioning, you know, 436 00:29:15,976 --> 00:29:19,778 you go from being like a hero pilot to some tranny, 437 00:29:19,780 --> 00:29:22,481 you know, so I've fallen somewhat myself but 438 00:29:22,483 --> 00:29:26,785 this is like an epic fall. 439 00:29:26,787 --> 00:29:29,521 And I'm weighing consequences of this with 440 00:29:29,523 --> 00:29:33,558 also the biggest news story, like, ever. 441 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:34,726 I'm going to use a 442 00:29:34,728 --> 00:29:36,728 pair of binoculars to try to determine 443 00:29:36,730 --> 00:29:40,832 whether or not I can see Mr. Simpson. 444 00:29:40,834 --> 00:29:46,872 Fuck NBC, fuck ABC, fuck those guys. 445 00:29:46,874 --> 00:29:49,374 I hope they shoot this son of a bitch. 446 00:29:49,376 --> 00:29:53,311 And I hope they kill him before the competitors get here. 447 00:29:55,249 --> 00:29:56,715 (phone ringing) 448 00:29:56,717 --> 00:29:58,550 911, what are you reporting? 449 00:29:58,552 --> 00:30:00,318 This is AC. 450 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,520 I have OJ in the car. 451 00:30:01,522 --> 00:30:03,722 Okay, where are you? 452 00:30:03,724 --> 00:30:05,590 Please, I'm coming up the 5 freeway. 453 00:30:05,592 --> 00:30:06,658 Okay. 454 00:30:06,660 --> 00:30:08,026 Right now we are okay. 455 00:30:08,028 --> 00:30:10,095 But you got to tell the police to back off. 456 00:30:10,097 --> 00:30:12,731 He's still alive, but he's got a gun to his head. 457 00:30:12,733 --> 00:30:15,567 Okay, hold on a minute, Monica. 458 00:30:15,569 --> 00:30:16,701 He just wants to see his mother. 459 00:30:16,703 --> 00:30:18,270 Let me get him to the house. 460 00:30:18,272 --> 00:30:21,139 Okay, hold on a moment. 461 00:30:22,443 --> 00:30:24,076 Okay, what's your name? 462 00:30:24,078 --> 00:30:25,377 My name is AC. 463 00:30:25,379 --> 00:30:26,445 You know who I am, God dammit. 464 00:30:26,447 --> 00:30:27,846 Okay. 465 00:30:33,253 --> 00:30:35,120 Right now, that OJ's sitting there is the passenger seat with 466 00:30:35,122 --> 00:30:37,622 a gun pointed at his own head. 467 00:30:39,026 --> 00:30:41,726 Someone turned the TV on and there he is. 468 00:30:41,728 --> 00:30:43,128 14 units of the Orange County Sheriff's 469 00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:45,097 Department and Highway Patrol 470 00:30:45,099 --> 00:30:48,100 following behind a good distance. 471 00:30:48,102 --> 00:30:52,604 Oh my God, this isn't real, this can't be real. 472 00:30:52,606 --> 00:30:54,372 We're dumbfounded. 473 00:30:54,374 --> 00:30:57,576 Law enforcement is following Simpson. 474 00:30:57,578 --> 00:31:00,479 They want him to stop. 475 00:31:00,481 --> 00:31:01,780 Red lights and sirens. 476 00:31:01,782 --> 00:31:03,315 It's not an escort. 477 00:31:04,885 --> 00:31:07,052 Why are they allowing him to continue? 478 00:31:07,054 --> 00:31:08,286 Really, the game plan is 479 00:31:08,288 --> 00:31:10,722 really being conducted by Mr. Simpson 480 00:31:10,724 --> 00:31:12,124 at this point and it's very much like 481 00:31:12,126 --> 00:31:14,226 when the president travels down a major 482 00:31:14,228 --> 00:31:16,895 thoroughfare, like a freeway. 483 00:31:16,897 --> 00:31:19,731 I was wondering, okay, maybe around 484 00:31:19,733 --> 00:31:21,399 the next curve they've got it marked 485 00:31:21,401 --> 00:31:24,836 off and they're going to force him to stop. 486 00:31:24,838 --> 00:31:28,840 It wasn't like they were going 100 miles an hour. 487 00:31:28,842 --> 00:31:32,677 But I'm not a police tactician. 488 00:31:32,679 --> 00:31:34,179 That was their call. 489 00:31:37,618 --> 00:31:40,585 I've covered so many of these things, 490 00:31:40,587 --> 00:31:43,355 this was not usual police behavior. 491 00:31:44,591 --> 00:31:46,758 If OJ Simpson were black, 492 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,027 that shit wouldn't have happened. 493 00:31:50,831 --> 00:31:54,799 He'd be on the ground getting clubbed. 494 00:31:54,801 --> 00:31:57,969 But since he transcended race and color 495 00:31:57,971 --> 00:32:01,773 to the exalted status of celebrity, 496 00:32:01,775 --> 00:32:03,441 he got a motorcade. 497 00:32:04,778 --> 00:32:06,278 This is not a chase, 498 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,780 this is basically an accompaniment. 499 00:32:09,650 --> 00:32:12,450 (ominous music) 500 00:32:14,354 --> 00:32:17,289 Nobody is doing anything. 501 00:32:17,291 --> 00:32:20,692 So I'm talking to Eddie Jo Fairbanks in the DA's office. 502 00:32:20,694 --> 00:32:21,960 She said, "Well, I just happen to 503 00:32:21,962 --> 00:32:23,461 have his cell number, would you like it? 504 00:32:23,463 --> 00:32:24,996 (laughing) 505 00:32:24,998 --> 00:32:26,498 (phone ringing) 506 00:32:26,500 --> 00:32:27,832 You there? 507 00:32:27,834 --> 00:32:29,034 Just let me get to my house. 508 00:32:29,036 --> 00:32:30,302 Okay, we're gonna do that. 509 00:32:30,304 --> 00:32:31,636 I swear to you I'll give you, 510 00:32:31,638 --> 00:32:33,071 I'll give you me, I'll give you my whole body. 511 00:32:33,073 --> 00:32:34,339 Okay... 512 00:32:34,341 --> 00:32:35,974 I just need to get to my house. 513 00:32:35,976 --> 00:32:37,709 Okay, we're gonna do that, 514 00:32:37,711 --> 00:32:39,144 just throw the gun out the window. 515 00:32:39,146 --> 00:32:40,312 I can't do that. 516 00:32:40,314 --> 00:32:41,146 We're not gonna bother you, 517 00:32:41,148 --> 00:32:42,080 we're gonna let you go up there. 518 00:32:42,082 --> 00:32:43,381 Just throw it out this window, 519 00:32:43,383 --> 00:32:44,816 please, you're scaring everybody. 520 00:32:44,818 --> 00:32:46,151 This is not to keep 521 00:32:46,153 --> 00:32:47,752 you guys away from me, this is for me. 522 00:32:47,754 --> 00:32:49,254 I know that, nobody's gonna hurt you. 523 00:32:49,256 --> 00:32:50,855 This is for me. 524 00:32:50,857 --> 00:32:52,757 He's trying, in my mind, 525 00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:54,025 to imply he's going to commit suicide, 526 00:32:54,027 --> 00:32:55,427 but he's not saying that. 527 00:32:55,429 --> 00:32:57,796 So, I'm playing along with that. 528 00:32:59,066 --> 00:33:02,067 (moaning) 529 00:33:02,069 --> 00:33:07,038 Hey, everybody loves you, don't do this. 530 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,775 Just throw it out the window and nobody's gonna get hurt. 531 00:33:10,777 --> 00:33:13,044 You've got a guy here that's, 532 00:33:13,046 --> 00:33:14,379 I don't know where his mind is, 533 00:33:14,381 --> 00:33:17,215 I really believe he killed two people. 534 00:33:17,217 --> 00:33:19,884 But now he's got a loaded gun, and he's being chased by cops. 535 00:33:19,886 --> 00:33:21,620 Is he gonna start shooting at the cops? 536 00:33:21,622 --> 00:33:23,855 Is he gonna shoot at AC and kill... 537 00:33:23,857 --> 00:33:26,391 Is he gonna blow his own brains out? 538 00:33:26,393 --> 00:33:29,527 I do know if I can engage him in a conversation it's 539 00:33:29,529 --> 00:33:32,597 going to temporarily at least take his mind off the gun. 540 00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:35,033 I'm the only one that deserves this. 541 00:33:35,035 --> 00:33:36,401 No, you're don't deserve that. 542 00:33:36,403 --> 00:33:38,937 You do not deserve to get hurt. 543 00:33:38,939 --> 00:33:39,804 Don't do this. 544 00:33:39,806 --> 00:33:41,306 All I did was love Nicole. 545 00:33:41,308 --> 00:33:43,041 All I did was love her. 546 00:33:43,043 --> 00:33:43,975 I understand. 547 00:33:43,977 --> 00:33:45,810 Love everybody, show everybody 548 00:33:45,812 --> 00:33:47,612 my whole life and I love everybody. 549 00:33:47,614 --> 00:33:50,148 We know that and everybody loves you. 550 00:33:51,585 --> 00:33:53,051 Your kids need you. 551 00:33:53,053 --> 00:33:54,552 I've already said goodbye to my kids. 552 00:33:54,554 --> 00:33:55,887 You're gonna hurt everybody. 553 00:33:55,889 --> 00:33:57,122 I'm just gonna have to see. 554 00:33:57,124 --> 00:33:58,490 No, don't 555 00:33:58,492 --> 00:34:00,492 I'm gonna go with Nicole. That's all I'm gonna do. 556 00:34:00,494 --> 00:34:01,726 That's all I'm trying to do. 557 00:34:01,728 --> 00:34:02,794 Think about everybody else, alright? 558 00:34:02,796 --> 00:34:03,962 I couldn't on the freeway. 559 00:34:03,964 --> 00:34:04,963 I couldn't do it in a field. 560 00:34:04,965 --> 00:34:06,231 I want to do it at her grave. 561 00:34:06,233 --> 00:34:08,600 I want to do it at my house. 562 00:34:08,602 --> 00:34:10,635 You gonna go to the house? 563 00:34:10,637 --> 00:34:14,806 We were told he was going to the Rockingham location. 564 00:34:14,808 --> 00:34:18,009 And that's all we were told. 565 00:34:18,011 --> 00:34:19,944 If they requested SWAT to handle something, 566 00:34:19,946 --> 00:34:22,981 that's because they can't handle it themselves. 567 00:34:22,983 --> 00:34:24,783 I was told you're going to do the talking, 568 00:34:24,785 --> 00:34:27,852 you're going to be the negotiator. 569 00:34:27,854 --> 00:34:31,523 Drive time from downtown to the west side 570 00:34:31,525 --> 00:34:35,093 was gonna take 30, 40 minutes. 571 00:34:35,095 --> 00:34:36,961 We were trying to beat him. 572 00:34:36,963 --> 00:34:39,030 They were pressuring us. He's pretty close. 573 00:34:39,032 --> 00:34:42,200 We were estimating we were about 10 minutes ahead. 574 00:34:42,202 --> 00:34:45,804 The last thing we want is for him to get there before us. 575 00:34:45,806 --> 00:34:48,840 Because now we're going to lose control. 576 00:34:50,711 --> 00:34:54,713 And we're on the freeway and all the overpasses, 577 00:34:54,715 --> 00:34:57,048 there were people already staged. 578 00:34:57,050 --> 00:35:02,253 Signs, free OJ, we love you OJ, 579 00:35:02,255 --> 00:35:04,856 What a bunch of losers. 580 00:35:06,460 --> 00:35:08,993 I think people realized, hey, 581 00:35:08,995 --> 00:35:12,063 this is gonna be passing my neighborhood. 582 00:35:12,065 --> 00:35:14,866 And they wanted to see OJ's last run. 583 00:35:16,036 --> 00:35:18,002 This was not a somber event. 584 00:35:18,004 --> 00:35:21,373 This was one of Los Angeles's largest parties. 585 00:35:23,844 --> 00:35:26,778 (orchestral music) 586 00:35:30,984 --> 00:35:34,219 This was lined with people. 587 00:35:34,221 --> 00:35:36,921 (police sirens) 588 00:35:42,696 --> 00:35:45,430 And they're running full speed down the street, 589 00:35:45,432 --> 00:35:47,832 trying to get to the location. 590 00:35:50,203 --> 00:35:54,038 We're not used to seeing those types of crowds rush in. 591 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,841 (chanting) OJ! OJ! OJ! OJ! 592 00:36:08,054 --> 00:36:10,121 District Attorney of Los Angeles, 593 00:36:10,123 --> 00:36:12,357 Mr. Gil Garcetti, will the fact that he has fled 594 00:36:12,359 --> 00:36:14,292 make things worse for him? 595 00:36:14,294 --> 00:36:17,362 Any time you have an accused who leaves, 596 00:36:17,364 --> 00:36:20,031 that and the fact, we believe, 597 00:36:20,033 --> 00:36:22,700 shows a consciousness of guilt. 598 00:36:26,873 --> 00:36:29,774 (chanting "Free OJ") 599 00:36:35,549 --> 00:36:37,482 I think earlier in the week, 600 00:36:37,484 --> 00:36:38,983 all of us close to OJ 601 00:36:38,985 --> 00:36:42,954 didn't believe that he had been involved in this. 602 00:36:42,956 --> 00:36:45,123 And now I think there's a sense of resignation 603 00:36:45,125 --> 00:36:46,825 and has been for the last 24 hours and 604 00:36:46,827 --> 00:36:48,560 we can't believe what's happening 605 00:36:48,562 --> 00:36:50,995 and there was nothing ever, ever 606 00:36:50,997 --> 00:36:52,397 in the past that would indicate 607 00:36:52,399 --> 00:36:55,867 that OJ would be capable of doing what he's doing right now. 608 00:36:58,071 --> 00:37:00,138 Did they let you go? 609 00:37:00,140 --> 00:37:04,142 They didn't say anything, all of a sudden, they just... 610 00:37:05,345 --> 00:37:07,879 What was that? 611 00:37:09,483 --> 00:37:10,849 Yeah. 612 00:37:10,851 --> 00:37:13,785 Oh, okay, CBS is trying to get you in. 613 00:37:13,787 --> 00:37:15,186 Now, he's pulling off now, 614 00:37:15,188 --> 00:37:17,489 they've just pulled off a main highway. 615 00:37:17,491 --> 00:37:19,591 Judy Mullard, help us here. 616 00:37:19,593 --> 00:37:21,326 I can't tell ya, looks like 617 00:37:21,328 --> 00:37:23,761 Santa Monica Freeway, heading I can't 618 00:37:23,763 --> 00:37:24,896 tell ya yet. 619 00:37:25,999 --> 00:37:27,131 Look at all these people 620 00:37:27,133 --> 00:37:28,500 rushing up to the corner. No, it's an exit. 621 00:37:28,502 --> 00:37:30,201 This word has obviously spread 622 00:37:30,203 --> 00:37:33,271 Judy, hang on, look at all these people rushing, waving... 623 00:37:33,273 --> 00:37:35,940 (police sirens) 624 00:37:41,548 --> 00:37:44,015 There is an absolutely utterly macabe 625 00:37:44,017 --> 00:37:46,851 nature to all this. 626 00:37:48,822 --> 00:37:50,121 They've been cheering him on, 627 00:37:50,123 --> 00:37:51,589 yelling go Juice go. 628 00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:54,192 Cheering him on, 629 00:37:54,194 --> 00:37:55,627 He pulled off at Sunset, 630 00:37:55,629 --> 00:37:59,564 off the 405, he's on his way back toward Brentwood. 631 00:38:03,303 --> 00:38:06,070 When I got on scene there, I walked toward the residence, 632 00:38:06,072 --> 00:38:09,874 there was family inside the residence and they were eating. 633 00:38:09,876 --> 00:38:11,843 Looked like they had like a sandwich buffet 634 00:38:11,845 --> 00:38:15,380 that they were doing and they were watching tv. 635 00:38:23,223 --> 00:38:24,722 Dining. 636 00:38:25,859 --> 00:38:27,959 I use that clinical term. 637 00:38:28,828 --> 00:38:29,994 Nutty. 638 00:38:33,199 --> 00:38:35,767 (police sirens) 639 00:38:39,072 --> 00:38:41,205 Both sides of the street 640 00:38:41,207 --> 00:38:44,842 have pedestrians, he just passed us at Barrington. 641 00:38:44,844 --> 00:38:46,277 Okay, Eric, its only now probably 642 00:38:46,279 --> 00:38:48,613 three minutes at the most I would 643 00:38:48,615 --> 00:38:52,283 say to his home in Brentwood. 644 00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:59,223 They're passing the church installed there. 645 00:38:59,225 --> 00:39:01,526 They are heading right into Brentwood now. 646 00:39:01,528 --> 00:39:03,795 He's heading to my house. 647 00:39:07,534 --> 00:39:08,533 He's making a right turn, I assume, 648 00:39:08,535 --> 00:39:10,435 that's up into Brentwood Park, 649 00:39:10,437 --> 00:39:12,036 and appears to be on the way to 650 00:39:12,038 --> 00:39:15,173 either his home or very close to his home. 651 00:39:16,610 --> 00:39:18,710 We closed the gate on Rockingham, 652 00:39:18,712 --> 00:39:20,979 we left this one open to force him through 653 00:39:20,981 --> 00:39:24,182 and make him come into where we wanted him. 654 00:39:32,993 --> 00:39:35,093 There was a sniper team in this house across the street, 655 00:39:35,095 --> 00:39:37,762 there's a sniper team on top of the roof at the residence. 656 00:39:37,764 --> 00:39:40,064 And there was one across the street. 657 00:39:40,066 --> 00:39:41,799 (police radio) Use your own discretion. 658 00:39:41,801 --> 00:39:43,401 You take him down if you have to. 659 00:39:46,339 --> 00:39:48,606 When'd you see the kids last, Juice? 660 00:39:48,608 --> 00:39:50,475 He's pulling up in my driveway. 661 00:39:50,477 --> 00:39:52,310 I know, I see you, I see you. 662 00:39:52,312 --> 00:39:54,278 Please, toss the gun. 663 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,781 Juice, just toss it. 664 00:39:56,783 --> 00:39:59,751 He's pulling into his house, oh shit. 665 00:39:59,753 --> 00:40:01,352 I've never seen anything like this. 666 00:40:01,354 --> 00:40:02,887 Mr. Simpson, OJ please. 667 00:40:04,591 --> 00:40:06,457 When we're standing in the threshold there, 668 00:40:06,459 --> 00:40:08,826 to my right is a television so, 669 00:40:08,828 --> 00:40:11,896 when the Bronco pulls into the driveway 670 00:40:13,266 --> 00:40:16,834 I see Bronco, Cawlings, Simpson in the backseat 671 00:40:18,038 --> 00:40:19,604 and then I look right here and I get the 672 00:40:19,606 --> 00:40:22,106 point of view that you're seeing. 673 00:40:22,108 --> 00:40:23,541 Oh my goodness gracious. 674 00:40:23,543 --> 00:40:26,711 He's come home after all of that. 675 00:40:26,713 --> 00:40:30,348 Just as we're trying to get words out, 676 00:40:30,350 --> 00:40:32,784 a young man runs up to the driver's side of the door 677 00:40:32,786 --> 00:40:35,186 and starts hitting at AC Cawlings. 678 00:40:37,691 --> 00:40:39,457 Who is that out there? 679 00:40:39,459 --> 00:40:41,559 He's just trying to help. 680 00:40:41,561 --> 00:40:43,561 He's just trying to help, man. 681 00:40:43,563 --> 00:40:47,565 Kardashian said, "That's Jason Simpson, That's OJ's son." 682 00:40:49,703 --> 00:40:53,771 So, I told Pepabrick, I said, "Go out there and get him." 683 00:40:56,376 --> 00:40:57,942 Moved him out, 684 00:41:00,146 --> 00:41:04,549 now we get down to the business that we designed. 685 00:41:04,551 --> 00:41:08,086 In this juncture, it's very fragile. 686 00:41:08,088 --> 00:41:11,789 What exacerbates, what makes it crazy, is the noise, 687 00:41:13,927 --> 00:41:16,427 you had a helicopter seemed like about 50 feet 688 00:41:16,429 --> 00:41:20,364 off the deck, every car that was in the following 689 00:41:20,366 --> 00:41:23,267 had their red lights and sirens on. 690 00:41:25,004 --> 00:41:26,437 If you just take a snapshot, 691 00:41:26,439 --> 00:41:29,507 you'd go, this is madness, absolute madness. 692 00:41:34,347 --> 00:41:36,848 I watched that from the newsroom 693 00:41:36,850 --> 00:41:39,016 and when I saw a couple of the SWAT officers 694 00:41:39,018 --> 00:41:41,786 that I recognized run across the shot, I thought, 695 00:41:41,788 --> 00:41:45,256 oh my God, they're gonna kill him in the driveway. 696 00:41:45,258 --> 00:41:47,391 Just toss it please. 697 00:41:47,393 --> 00:41:48,393 Alright? 698 00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:53,464 Juice, just toss the gun. 699 00:41:53,466 --> 00:41:54,799 I did not want him to get out 700 00:41:54,801 --> 00:41:56,300 of the car with a gun in his hand, 701 00:41:56,302 --> 00:41:57,602 they'd have dumped him, 702 00:41:57,604 --> 00:41:59,537 they would not have had a choice. 703 00:42:02,075 --> 00:42:04,842 Juice, come on, Juice. 704 00:42:07,313 --> 00:42:09,480 They resolve most situations peacefully, 705 00:42:09,482 --> 00:42:12,750 but they are there to finish it one way or another. 706 00:42:12,752 --> 00:42:14,886 OJ, no, no OJ. 707 00:42:18,224 --> 00:42:20,591 Don't, no man, don't. 708 00:42:20,593 --> 00:42:22,193 Juice, don't do it, Juice. 709 00:42:24,831 --> 00:42:26,564 Pick it up. 710 00:42:26,566 --> 00:42:29,000 I'm thinking, okay, there are a lot 711 00:42:29,002 --> 00:42:31,302 of people that are betting on us. 712 00:42:31,304 --> 00:42:32,837 That we're going to screw this up. 713 00:42:32,839 --> 00:42:34,405 That are cynical. 714 00:42:34,407 --> 00:42:36,340 That believe that we are a 715 00:42:37,310 --> 00:42:39,577 brutal horrible organization. 716 00:42:39,579 --> 00:42:41,345 And it's just not the case. 717 00:42:45,685 --> 00:42:47,585 How do they know, that the police 718 00:42:47,587 --> 00:42:49,787 and the DA didn't make all this 719 00:42:49,789 --> 00:42:54,525 evidence up, to make him act the way that he's acting? 720 00:42:54,527 --> 00:42:55,793 We were recovering from Rodney King 721 00:42:55,795 --> 00:42:58,830 and it's so important for the people 722 00:42:58,832 --> 00:43:01,499 to see things that go the right way. 723 00:43:01,501 --> 00:43:02,600 There is so much on the news where 724 00:43:02,602 --> 00:43:04,502 things go the wrong way. 725 00:43:04,504 --> 00:43:05,536 Normally, that would be on my mind, 726 00:43:05,538 --> 00:43:07,405 but that night it wasn't. 727 00:43:16,316 --> 00:43:18,850 Doors opening. 728 00:43:21,321 --> 00:43:23,688 That is Al Cawlings. 729 00:43:23,690 --> 00:43:25,289 He's quite, quite upset at the moment. 730 00:43:25,291 --> 00:43:26,324 Yeah. 731 00:43:26,326 --> 00:43:28,993 Quite emotional here. 732 00:43:28,995 --> 00:43:31,229 I've got to get Cawlings out. 733 00:43:31,231 --> 00:43:32,730 As much as he was trying to help, 734 00:43:32,732 --> 00:43:35,700 he was interfering in where I needed to do. 735 00:43:35,702 --> 00:43:37,301 I needed to speak directly to Mr. Simpson, 736 00:43:37,303 --> 00:43:40,338 to try and keep him from hurting himself. 737 00:43:40,340 --> 00:43:43,875 And Mr. Cawlings was trying to be a go between. 738 00:43:45,745 --> 00:43:47,812 He was very worried about his friend. 739 00:43:47,814 --> 00:43:49,547 He kept asking us, please don't hurt him, 740 00:43:49,549 --> 00:43:52,316 please don't hurt him, please. 741 00:43:52,318 --> 00:43:53,718 And he wanted to go back, 742 00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:55,253 he wanted to stay with his friend. 743 00:43:55,255 --> 00:43:58,522 And we wouldn't allow it, we can't. 744 00:43:58,524 --> 00:44:00,091 Police haven't made a move, 745 00:44:00,093 --> 00:44:04,328 we understand negotiations are still going on. 746 00:44:04,330 --> 00:44:06,197 Simpson, you can see him, 747 00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:09,867 cradling what looks like framed photos, 748 00:44:09,869 --> 00:44:13,571 but clearly he has the barrel of a weapon under his chin 749 00:44:13,573 --> 00:44:15,506 and it looks like he's just resting his 750 00:44:15,508 --> 00:44:17,708 chin on the barrel of the weapon. 751 00:44:17,710 --> 00:44:20,311 It was the look of a defeated man. 752 00:44:26,386 --> 00:44:27,885 They are, according to police scanners, 753 00:44:27,887 --> 00:44:29,754 talking to OJ on the phone, from the inside 754 00:44:29,756 --> 00:44:32,924 the house, trying to negotiate something. 755 00:44:34,861 --> 00:44:38,062 I said to him very early on, 756 00:44:38,064 --> 00:44:42,800 I don't think your children need to see another tragedy. 757 00:44:42,802 --> 00:44:45,469 And he immediately changed the subject 758 00:44:45,471 --> 00:44:48,606 right to about himself, he wouldn't even speak to that. 759 00:44:48,608 --> 00:44:51,709 I said I know where he's coming from. 760 00:44:51,711 --> 00:44:55,313 There was so much memorabilia and stuff of him everywhere, 761 00:44:57,283 --> 00:44:58,616 normally you would see other photos 762 00:44:58,618 --> 00:45:00,284 of family members or something else, 763 00:45:00,286 --> 00:45:04,722 you didn't see those things, it was all him. 764 00:45:04,724 --> 00:45:08,793 I told Mike Albanis, Mike, I can talk him into it. 765 00:45:08,795 --> 00:45:10,561 We can appeal to his ego enough 766 00:45:10,563 --> 00:45:13,130 that he's going to come out for us. 767 00:45:14,634 --> 00:45:15,633 His voice, in the beginning, was 768 00:45:15,635 --> 00:45:18,736 excited but then it called down. 769 00:45:18,738 --> 00:45:22,640 The more we spoke about him, the more he liked it. 770 00:45:24,444 --> 00:45:25,943 We want to show them that you're 771 00:45:25,945 --> 00:45:28,179 still the person you have been all these years. 772 00:45:28,181 --> 00:45:32,316 This great football player, this great everything. 773 00:45:32,318 --> 00:45:34,885 (dramatic music) 774 00:45:38,758 --> 00:45:39,991 He asked me to come out to the car, 775 00:45:39,993 --> 00:45:41,292 and I said, "No, you're going to show 776 00:45:41,294 --> 00:45:42,593 them yourself, you're going to show them 777 00:45:42,595 --> 00:45:43,861 just how big and courageous you are, 778 00:45:43,863 --> 00:45:45,262 you're going to walk to me and you're 779 00:45:45,264 --> 00:45:46,697 going to leave the gun in the car, 780 00:45:46,699 --> 00:45:51,135 you're going to walk out and show everyone, right now. 781 00:45:51,137 --> 00:45:52,903 You're going to do this." 782 00:45:54,707 --> 00:45:57,775 My personal spin, I think, he wanted 783 00:45:57,777 --> 00:45:59,877 to surrender when it was dark. 784 00:45:59,879 --> 00:46:02,880 So that he wouldn't be seen. 785 00:46:02,882 --> 00:46:07,018 Night has fallen here over Brentwood. 786 00:46:07,020 --> 00:46:11,856 He had two picture frames that were cradled in his arms. 787 00:46:11,858 --> 00:46:14,692 We told him, open the door, 788 00:46:14,694 --> 00:46:16,727 put your arm out with the frame, 789 00:46:16,729 --> 00:46:19,864 and the other arm out with the framed photo, 790 00:46:19,866 --> 00:46:23,534 so it's clear to everybody, so there was no mistaking. 791 00:46:25,138 --> 00:46:29,306 Doors open, dome lights on, he's out of the vehicle. 792 00:46:29,308 --> 00:46:30,875 Kinda just hunches over, 793 00:46:32,645 --> 00:46:35,579 shuffles six eight steps to us, 794 00:46:35,581 --> 00:46:37,448 and collapses in our arms. 795 00:46:38,518 --> 00:46:41,085 He goes, "I'm sorry, 796 00:46:41,087 --> 00:46:43,721 I was never going to hurt you guys. I'm sorry. 797 00:46:43,723 --> 00:46:46,257 I was never going to hurt you guys." 798 00:46:46,259 --> 00:46:47,591 OJ's in custody. 799 00:46:47,593 --> 00:46:49,493 We understand that OJ's in custody. 800 00:46:49,495 --> 00:46:50,828 They're calling a code four. 801 00:46:50,830 --> 00:46:52,563 All clear, all safe. 802 00:46:53,566 --> 00:46:56,567 Thank you, thank you to God. 803 00:46:56,569 --> 00:47:00,438 (reporters asking questions) 804 00:47:03,543 --> 00:47:05,109 Unbelievable, we saw an incredible 805 00:47:05,111 --> 00:47:07,711 situation that's gone on for hours. 806 00:47:07,713 --> 00:47:12,616 Incredible restraint by the Los Angeles Police Department. 807 00:47:12,618 --> 00:47:14,618 The officer's kept their distance. 808 00:47:14,620 --> 00:47:16,253 They allowed the SWAT team, the pros, 809 00:47:16,255 --> 00:47:20,224 to come in, they took their positions. 810 00:47:20,226 --> 00:47:23,894 He'd asked me to stay with him throughout the process. 811 00:47:23,896 --> 00:47:26,363 I promised him I would stay with him. 812 00:47:26,365 --> 00:47:28,466 I said it's time, I gotta handcuff you now, 813 00:47:28,468 --> 00:47:29,517 you need to be handcuffed. 814 00:47:29,518 --> 00:47:30,567 I'm sorry this is the way it works. 815 00:47:30,570 --> 00:47:33,304 (police sirens) 816 00:47:35,108 --> 00:47:38,876 As we take off, Simpson is amazed at the crowds. 817 00:47:41,247 --> 00:47:44,215 He just couldn't believe there was this many people there. 818 00:47:44,217 --> 00:47:47,084 (Free OJ, Free OJ) 819 00:47:47,086 --> 00:47:48,752 And he said, "what are all these 820 00:47:48,754 --> 00:47:50,888 niggers doing in Brentwood?" 821 00:47:50,890 --> 00:47:53,691 (crowd cheering) 822 00:47:59,232 --> 00:48:01,632 I walk outside and Shapiro's there. 823 00:48:01,634 --> 00:48:03,767 Shapiro shakes my hand, he says, 824 00:48:03,769 --> 00:48:07,805 "Thank you for not killing OJ Simpson." 825 00:48:07,807 --> 00:48:08,973 He grabbed me and went to hug me. 826 00:48:08,975 --> 00:48:10,341 I go, let's just, 827 00:48:11,777 --> 00:48:14,345 I wasn't in the mood for a hug 828 00:48:15,448 --> 00:48:17,915 and maybe I wasn't professional. 829 00:48:20,853 --> 00:48:22,253 I don't know the frickin guy, right, 830 00:48:22,255 --> 00:48:25,322 and he wants to weep on me? 831 00:48:25,324 --> 00:48:27,858 (dramatic music) 832 00:48:29,128 --> 00:48:32,096 Well this is nutty did. It really is. 833 00:48:32,098 --> 00:48:34,765 I said, I have seen everything in law enforcement. 834 00:48:34,767 --> 00:48:37,801 There is nothing else that can top this. 835 00:48:37,803 --> 00:48:40,604 (dramatic music) 836 00:49:00,526 --> 00:49:02,793 (piano music) 837 00:49:29,722 --> 00:49:31,522 Later today in Los Angeles, OJ Simpson 838 00:49:31,524 --> 00:49:34,425 is expected to make his first court appearance. 839 00:49:34,427 --> 00:49:36,760 OJ has been in jail, under a suicide watch, 840 00:49:36,762 --> 00:49:40,164 visited only by a psychiatrist and his lawyer. 841 00:49:41,701 --> 00:49:43,300 Please, 842 00:49:48,207 --> 00:49:49,673 Alright, people. 843 00:49:55,848 --> 00:49:58,015 Please speak up so you may be heard. 844 00:49:58,017 --> 00:49:59,017 Uh, yes. 845 00:50:00,953 --> 00:50:01,952 Pardon me, I'm sorry. 846 00:50:01,954 --> 00:50:03,053 May we start all over again? 847 00:50:03,055 --> 00:50:04,154 Yes. 848 00:50:07,727 --> 00:50:09,026 He looked a mess. 849 00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:14,465 He looked like someone who had committed murder. 850 00:50:14,467 --> 00:50:16,367 There was nothing about the old 851 00:50:16,369 --> 00:50:19,036 smiling Simpson, about him that day. 852 00:50:20,539 --> 00:50:21,939 Your charges for this complaint 853 00:50:21,941 --> 00:50:23,574 in that you willfully and unlawfully with pronounced 854 00:50:23,576 --> 00:50:26,844 forethought murder of Nicole Brown Simpson. 855 00:50:28,748 --> 00:50:31,448 In count two your charge is the crime 856 00:50:31,450 --> 00:50:34,084 of murder in violation of penal code section 187. 857 00:50:34,086 --> 00:50:36,086 That you willfully and unlawfully with pronounced 858 00:50:36,088 --> 00:50:39,556 forethought murder of Ronald Lyle Goldman. 859 00:50:41,093 --> 00:50:44,128 When he initially entered the plea, 860 00:50:44,130 --> 00:50:46,297 he barely choked it out. 861 00:50:46,299 --> 00:50:47,299 Not guilty. 862 00:50:49,268 --> 00:50:50,834 Alright, then, the not guilty plea will 863 00:50:50,836 --> 00:50:52,970 be entered, the case will be set for a 864 00:50:52,972 --> 00:50:55,973 preliminary hearing within the statutory period. 865 00:50:55,975 --> 00:50:56,975 Recess. 866 00:50:58,944 --> 00:51:00,978 This case will be handled as every case is handled, 867 00:51:00,980 --> 00:51:03,480 the case will be thoroughly investigated by top 868 00:51:03,482 --> 00:51:06,850 notch investigators, we will present the prosecution 869 00:51:06,852 --> 00:51:09,820 in a thorough and professional manner. 870 00:51:10,823 --> 00:51:12,856 I amongst others, recommended her. 871 00:51:12,858 --> 00:51:14,958 I was aware of her successes in the court room. 872 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,662 I knew she was a very dynamic trial lawyer. 873 00:51:18,664 --> 00:51:19,963 I want no one to forget the fact that 874 00:51:19,965 --> 00:51:22,266 Robert Barto wakes up every morning, 875 00:51:22,268 --> 00:51:27,104 and Rebecca Schaeffer lies buried in a grave in Oregon. 876 00:51:27,106 --> 00:51:29,640 Worked extraordinarily hard, 877 00:51:29,642 --> 00:51:31,875 she was very facile with trace evidence, 878 00:51:31,877 --> 00:51:33,844 hair, fiber, and the like. 879 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,780 She was up to speed on DNA. 880 00:51:38,617 --> 00:51:41,185 She was one of our best trial lawyers. 881 00:51:41,187 --> 00:51:42,619 I think that with all the questions 882 00:51:42,621 --> 00:51:43,520 that we've been getting about the 883 00:51:43,522 --> 00:51:45,055 public sympathy for Mr. Simpson, 884 00:51:45,057 --> 00:51:46,457 we should not forget the fact that 885 00:51:46,459 --> 00:51:49,960 we have two victims, that were brutally slain. 886 00:51:49,962 --> 00:51:51,295 I have to say, it never mattered to me 887 00:51:51,297 --> 00:51:54,198 who the defendant was, it was a question of who did it. 888 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,066 Whether their famous, whether their not famous. 889 00:51:56,068 --> 00:51:58,802 They all get the same treatment. 890 00:52:00,206 --> 00:52:03,874 You are looking at inmate number 4103970, OJ Simpson. 891 00:52:06,212 --> 00:52:08,946 (camera clicks) 892 00:52:12,518 --> 00:52:15,552 (cell doors shutting) 893 00:52:20,526 --> 00:52:22,426 I believed he was innocent. 894 00:52:22,428 --> 00:52:25,195 I was like everybody else, it was incomprehensible 895 00:52:25,197 --> 00:52:27,297 that my friend could do this. 896 00:52:30,035 --> 00:52:33,103 I snuck into the jail to see him and 897 00:52:33,105 --> 00:52:36,073 there's this guy that was my buddy and 898 00:52:38,110 --> 00:52:39,610 he looked emaciated, 899 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,080 he was in an orange jumpsuit, 900 00:52:43,082 --> 00:52:46,850 and he was shackled to the desk in front of me. 901 00:52:50,356 --> 00:52:54,425 Then he looked at me on the other side of plexiglasses, 902 00:52:55,761 --> 00:52:57,294 close as he could be, and he said, 903 00:52:57,296 --> 00:53:00,230 "I swear to God, I didn't do this." 904 00:53:00,232 --> 00:53:01,498 I believed him. 905 00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:06,270 He asked me if I kind of would be the 906 00:53:06,272 --> 00:53:08,071 chronicler of the whole thing. 907 00:53:08,073 --> 00:53:11,308 Would I write a book about the whole thing. 908 00:53:11,310 --> 00:53:13,043 I backed away from that. 909 00:53:14,580 --> 00:53:18,282 Then, in a moment of ultimate surrealism, 910 00:53:18,284 --> 00:53:19,650 I'm sitting with OJ 911 00:53:21,220 --> 00:53:23,854 and Lyle Menendez walks behind him. 912 00:53:25,057 --> 00:53:27,090 And I just went, shit, this is more 913 00:53:27,092 --> 00:53:29,793 than my little pea brain can handle. 914 00:53:31,464 --> 00:53:34,064 (dramatic music) 915 00:53:57,823 --> 00:54:02,326 Bob, OJ Simpson is in a Los Angeles jail cell tonight. 916 00:54:02,328 --> 00:54:04,328 His attorney says he spoke to him today 917 00:54:04,330 --> 00:54:07,030 and that Simpson was in tears. 918 00:54:07,032 --> 00:54:08,832 Now, Cawlings, was himself, arrested 919 00:54:08,834 --> 00:54:11,101 on a felony charge of aiding a fugitive. 920 00:54:11,103 --> 00:54:12,536 Get away from my fucking house. 921 00:54:12,538 --> 00:54:14,838 Simpson, had $10,000 in cash 922 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,040 and a passport at that point. 923 00:54:17,042 --> 00:54:18,709 I love OJ 924 00:54:18,711 --> 00:54:20,143 no matter what happens. 925 00:54:20,145 --> 00:54:22,145 The murder with special circumstances, 926 00:54:22,147 --> 00:54:23,714 death penalty charges. 927 00:54:23,716 --> 00:54:26,550 The final DNA tests are positive for 928 00:54:26,552 --> 00:54:29,119 intense and purposes, OJ Simpson really 929 00:54:29,121 --> 00:54:30,854 has no option but to admit that he killed. 930 00:54:30,856 --> 00:54:32,055 The man who will lead the prosecution 931 00:54:32,057 --> 00:54:33,991 of the case, against OJ Simpson, 932 00:54:33,993 --> 00:54:35,826 is Los Angeles District Attorney, Gil Garcetti. 933 00:54:35,828 --> 00:54:37,728 You said earlier, "It's not going 934 00:54:37,730 --> 00:54:40,497 to shock me if we see OJ Simpson 935 00:54:40,499 --> 00:54:42,132 sometime down the road say okay 936 00:54:42,134 --> 00:54:45,369 I did do it but I'm not responsible." 937 00:54:45,371 --> 00:54:46,837 That certainly sounded, to me, 938 00:54:46,839 --> 00:54:48,238 like a prosecutor very comfortable with his case. 939 00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:49,806 I am comfortable with the case, 940 00:54:49,808 --> 00:54:51,508 I don't mean to speculate as to what 941 00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:52,843 the defense is going to be but I 942 00:54:52,845 --> 00:54:54,211 have been a prosecutor for 25 years. 943 00:54:54,213 --> 00:54:57,314 The evidence was so overwhelming, 944 00:54:57,316 --> 00:54:59,149 there was just no doubt. 945 00:55:01,854 --> 00:55:03,654 A blood trail that led from Bundy 946 00:55:03,656 --> 00:55:05,956 all the way into his bedroom. 947 00:55:07,259 --> 00:55:08,859 I don't think I'd ever seen that much 948 00:55:08,861 --> 00:55:11,428 evidence in any single case ever. 949 00:55:13,532 --> 00:55:18,201 When you couple that with evidence of motivation, 950 00:55:18,203 --> 00:55:21,438 and that was the history of domestic violence, 951 00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,006 with Simpson physically and 952 00:55:23,008 --> 00:55:26,209 psychologically abusing Nicole Brown. 953 00:55:26,211 --> 00:55:28,011 This is my woman. 954 00:55:28,013 --> 00:55:29,379 This was a domestic violence case 955 00:55:29,381 --> 00:55:31,114 that culminated in murder. 956 00:55:31,116 --> 00:55:32,149 End of story. 957 00:55:35,454 --> 00:55:36,453 Both sides are going to try 958 00:55:36,455 --> 00:55:37,788 to place the publicity thier way 959 00:55:37,790 --> 00:55:40,857 but because this is a major celebrity, 960 00:55:40,859 --> 00:55:42,459 probably this is the most famous 961 00:55:42,461 --> 00:55:44,728 American ever charged with murder, 962 00:55:44,730 --> 00:55:47,297 there will not business as usual. 963 00:55:49,568 --> 00:55:53,270 My former criminal law professor, Alan Dershowitz, 964 00:55:53,272 --> 00:55:57,240 was part of what would later become known as the dream team, 965 00:55:57,242 --> 00:55:59,476 OJ Simpson's lawyers. 966 00:55:59,478 --> 00:56:00,944 So, I called up Alan, and I said, 967 00:56:00,946 --> 00:56:02,446 "You know, what do you think of this case?" 968 00:56:02,448 --> 00:56:04,781 And he said, "I don't know, 969 00:56:06,218 --> 00:56:09,953 but you ought to look into this guy, this cop. 970 00:56:11,256 --> 00:56:14,791 Mark Fuhrman, there's something bad about him." 971 00:56:16,729 --> 00:56:18,729 I first met Mark during the 972 00:56:18,731 --> 00:56:21,331 execution of a second search warrant. 973 00:56:21,333 --> 00:56:24,501 I was impressed, he seemed to have an eye for detail. 974 00:56:24,503 --> 00:56:26,737 Some of his investigative moves, 975 00:56:26,739 --> 00:56:28,805 particularly going up to Rockingham, 976 00:56:28,807 --> 00:56:32,743 struck me as this is a smart detective. 977 00:56:32,745 --> 00:56:35,512 Mark Fuhrman, M-A-R-K F-U-H-R-M-A-N. 978 00:56:37,282 --> 00:56:38,482 When he testified at the preliminary hearing, 979 00:56:38,484 --> 00:56:40,784 he did a really good job. 980 00:56:40,786 --> 00:56:42,285 Blood to the left of the footprint 981 00:56:42,287 --> 00:56:44,988 would indicate that the person that left 982 00:56:44,990 --> 00:56:47,858 the scene was bleeding from the left side of his body. 983 00:56:47,860 --> 00:56:49,993 And the spot on the Bronco 984 00:56:49,995 --> 00:56:52,362 would coincide with that injury. 985 00:56:54,199 --> 00:56:55,966 He was on top of his game. 986 00:56:55,968 --> 00:56:58,468 His memory of the search of 987 00:56:58,470 --> 00:57:00,370 Rockingham was the primary thing. 988 00:57:00,372 --> 00:57:03,573 And it was detailed and consistent. 989 00:57:03,575 --> 00:57:06,143 And why was it that you did not secure the residence 990 00:57:06,145 --> 00:57:09,846 for a search warrant before finding the glove. 991 00:57:11,016 --> 00:57:13,350 This is not a situation where we 992 00:57:13,352 --> 00:57:14,818 had the time to stand out in the 993 00:57:14,820 --> 00:57:18,522 street and just wait and wonder. 994 00:57:18,524 --> 00:57:20,090 We had to do something. 995 00:57:22,361 --> 00:57:26,296 I thought maybe this guy Fuhrman has done something wrong. 996 00:57:26,298 --> 00:57:27,931 Maybe, he's been sued. 997 00:57:31,570 --> 00:57:34,371 There was this dungeon like basement 998 00:57:35,474 --> 00:57:37,708 in downtown Los Angeles with all 999 00:57:37,710 --> 00:57:40,477 the records of civil court filings. 1000 00:57:40,479 --> 00:57:42,145 And I started burrowing through these 1001 00:57:42,147 --> 00:57:46,717 records looking for Mark Fuhrman as a defendant. 1002 00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:49,252 And that's not what I found. 1003 00:57:49,254 --> 00:57:52,923 I found a lawsuit where Mark Fuhrman was the plaintiff. 1004 00:57:54,526 --> 00:57:58,095 He had actually sued the Los Angeles Pension Board 1005 00:57:59,765 --> 00:58:02,999 asking to be relieved as a police officer 1006 00:58:04,703 --> 00:58:07,437 and get a pension because his mind 1007 00:58:08,841 --> 00:58:12,142 was so poisoned by hatred of black people. 1008 00:58:16,014 --> 00:58:19,182 And I thought to myself, now that's a story. 1009 00:58:24,089 --> 00:58:28,091 I show up uninvited at Robert Shapiro's office. 1010 00:58:28,093 --> 00:58:31,628 And I say, "I've been looking at Mark Fuhrman's file 1011 00:58:31,630 --> 00:58:34,364 and there's some pretty amazing stuff in there." 1012 00:58:34,366 --> 00:58:36,266 And I remember, to this day, he sort 1013 00:58:36,268 --> 00:58:37,267 of rocked back in his chair. 1014 00:58:37,269 --> 00:58:38,368 He said, "You saw that?" 1015 00:58:38,370 --> 00:58:39,536 I said, "Yeah". 1016 00:58:39,538 --> 00:58:41,438 He said, "You think that's bad, 1017 00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,307 we think he planted the glove. 1018 00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:46,676 (camera clicks) 1019 00:58:49,715 --> 00:58:51,114 Fuhrman, according to this article 1020 00:58:51,116 --> 00:58:53,817 had used a lot of racial epithets. 1021 00:58:55,087 --> 00:58:57,754 Having that out there, 1022 00:58:57,756 --> 00:58:59,823 really brought home the fact that we've got a 1023 00:58:59,825 --> 00:59:03,160 dynamic here we're gonna have to deal with. 1024 00:59:04,763 --> 00:59:08,632 They found a flaw in me, and then they made up a nexus, 1025 00:59:08,634 --> 00:59:11,401 a connection to the flaw to the case. 1026 00:59:16,441 --> 00:59:19,009 I mean, I had a bad couple years 1027 00:59:23,482 --> 00:59:24,748 but I came out 1028 00:59:26,351 --> 00:59:28,318 better, I came out of it. 1029 00:59:32,257 --> 00:59:33,557 It is what it is. 1030 00:59:35,694 --> 00:59:38,528 That article came out at just 1031 00:59:38,530 --> 00:59:39,796 about the same time, Johnny Cochran 1032 00:59:39,798 --> 00:59:42,632 was coming aboard the defense team. 1033 00:59:42,634 --> 00:59:44,634 And my thought at the time was, 1034 00:59:44,636 --> 00:59:47,370 here comes the race card. 1035 00:59:47,372 --> 00:59:49,906 (gospel music) 1036 00:59:56,048 --> 00:59:58,181 My name is Johnny L. Cochran Jr. 1037 00:59:58,183 --> 01:00:00,517 I am primarily a civil rights lawyer. 1038 01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:01,785 And I represent a number of clients 1039 01:00:01,787 --> 01:00:05,088 who have had their civil rights abridged. 1040 01:00:06,525 --> 01:00:10,527 He and his firm were central players in this story 1041 01:00:10,529 --> 01:00:13,196 of the LAPD and race in Los Angeles. 1042 01:00:14,366 --> 01:00:16,032 Growing up in America, 1043 01:00:16,034 --> 01:00:18,001 any African American will tell you that, 1044 01:00:18,003 --> 01:00:20,537 we know we have to run faster, 1045 01:00:20,539 --> 01:00:22,806 jump higher, work harder, 1046 01:00:22,808 --> 01:00:24,541 to do the same that anyone else has to do. 1047 01:00:24,543 --> 01:00:25,876 (applause) 1048 01:00:25,878 --> 01:00:29,713 Johnny Cochran was always the icon to young 1049 01:00:29,715 --> 01:00:34,050 black, brown, and oppressed people in Los Angeles 1050 01:00:34,052 --> 01:00:36,887 because Johnny was that young 1051 01:00:36,889 --> 01:00:39,823 dashing lawyer who took on the police. 1052 01:00:41,593 --> 01:00:44,594 Johnny Cochran made his name 1053 01:00:44,596 --> 01:00:48,832 as a public lawyer in the Deadwyler case. 1054 01:00:48,834 --> 01:00:50,567 The latest explosion of violence in Watts 1055 01:00:50,569 --> 01:00:53,003 really began here 11 days ago. 1056 01:00:53,005 --> 01:00:54,838 A negro motorist driving down here 1057 01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,539 was rushing his wife to the hospital, 1058 01:00:56,541 --> 01:00:58,108 she was having labor pains, 1059 01:00:58,110 --> 01:01:00,944 they were stopped, stopped by a white patrolman. 1060 01:01:00,946 --> 01:01:05,749 One policeman got out and came around to my side 1061 01:01:05,751 --> 01:01:07,284 and my husband leaned over me 1062 01:01:07,286 --> 01:01:08,551 and asked him if he would 1063 01:01:08,553 --> 01:01:11,788 lead him out to the hospital to care of me. 1064 01:01:14,226 --> 01:01:18,295 And then he, he didn't say anything, and he shot him. 1065 01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:22,332 And he fell over me. 1066 01:01:25,103 --> 01:01:27,938 (dramatic music) 1067 01:01:30,575 --> 01:01:32,275 Mr. Cochran would like to know, 1068 01:01:32,277 --> 01:01:34,978 did you get inside the Deadwyler car 1069 01:01:34,980 --> 01:01:37,580 with the upper part of your body voluntarily? 1070 01:01:37,582 --> 01:01:38,582 Yes sir. 1071 01:01:39,618 --> 01:01:41,117 Mr. Cochran would like to know, 1072 01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:44,988 did you observe any weapons within the Deadwyler car? 1073 01:01:44,990 --> 01:01:46,556 No, sir, I did not. 1074 01:01:46,558 --> 01:01:48,091 Mr. Cochran wants to know, 1075 01:01:48,093 --> 01:01:49,826 that became the catchphrase because 1076 01:01:49,828 --> 01:01:53,096 the lawyer, himself, could not ask the questions. 1077 01:01:53,098 --> 01:01:56,633 He had to go through the county council. 1078 01:01:56,635 --> 01:01:57,968 Mr. Cochran would like to know, 1079 01:01:57,970 --> 01:01:59,302 if you been trained to keep your 1080 01:01:59,304 --> 01:02:00,470 weapon away from a suspect? 1081 01:02:00,472 --> 01:02:02,806 Yes, sir. 1082 01:02:02,808 --> 01:02:06,242 Johnny was like 27-28 years old then. 1083 01:02:06,244 --> 01:02:08,345 He was a young whippersnapper. 1084 01:02:09,481 --> 01:02:11,348 Mr. Cochran would like to know, 1085 01:02:11,350 --> 01:02:13,583 while you were at the Los Angeles police academy, 1086 01:02:13,585 --> 01:02:15,685 did they train you to put your 1087 01:02:15,687 --> 01:02:18,688 upper part of your body inside a car? 1088 01:02:20,192 --> 01:02:22,425 Not specifically that, no. 1089 01:02:30,502 --> 01:02:33,103 Because it was a televised trial, 1090 01:02:34,806 --> 01:02:36,840 he became a hero to everybody 1091 01:02:36,842 --> 01:02:39,275 in to the south central community. 1092 01:02:42,714 --> 01:02:47,550 Few people had higher standing, deeper standing. 1093 01:02:47,552 --> 01:02:52,055 Johnny was always that stalwart defender of justice, 1094 01:02:52,057 --> 01:02:55,525 fighting against the bastille. 1095 01:02:55,527 --> 01:02:56,493 Each of the defendants across the board 1096 01:02:56,495 --> 01:02:57,627 were found not guilty of the 1097 01:02:57,629 --> 01:03:00,063 assaults on the police officers. 1098 01:03:00,065 --> 01:03:02,866 Mr. Settles was beaten, the booking photos show that. 1099 01:03:02,868 --> 01:03:05,035 I want to know if they had anything to do with his death. 1100 01:03:05,037 --> 01:03:06,870 I want to know, whether or not, he hung himself 1101 01:03:06,872 --> 01:03:09,039 or whether or not he was hung. 1102 01:03:09,041 --> 01:03:10,507 The only version that you heard 1103 01:03:10,509 --> 01:03:12,342 of what transpired was what the 1104 01:03:12,344 --> 01:03:14,878 police officers told you, isn't that correct? 1105 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,379 (dramatic music) 1106 01:03:16,381 --> 01:03:17,313 It's not that Johnny was the 1107 01:03:17,315 --> 01:03:18,715 only good lawyer for OJ Simpson 1108 01:03:18,717 --> 01:03:20,884 but I would say that he and his firm 1109 01:03:20,886 --> 01:03:23,920 were the only lawyers that would really understand 1110 01:03:23,922 --> 01:03:26,256 and argue this case in the context of 1111 01:03:26,258 --> 01:03:30,593 the LAPD's relationship to African Americans. 1112 01:03:30,595 --> 01:03:33,563 Now, did he also like a big celebrity trial, you bet. 1113 01:03:33,565 --> 01:03:35,765 Michael Jackson has maintained 1114 01:03:35,767 --> 01:03:37,700 his innocence from the beginning of this matter. 1115 01:03:37,702 --> 01:03:41,571 He still, maintains that innocence. 1116 01:03:41,573 --> 01:03:45,241 He was a big character, he was flamboyant. 1117 01:03:45,243 --> 01:03:46,910 - I love you. - [Hi Johnny]. 1118 01:03:48,713 --> 01:03:50,280 We were talking about different styles of lawyering 1119 01:03:50,282 --> 01:03:51,548 and how you make a case to jury 1120 01:03:51,550 --> 01:03:53,016 and one of the things he said 1121 01:03:53,018 --> 01:03:54,551 about predominately African American juries, 1122 01:03:54,553 --> 01:03:56,619 he goes Jimmy, when is what he used to call me, 1123 01:03:56,621 --> 01:03:57,787 he said, Jimmy, blacks like big. 1124 01:03:57,789 --> 01:03:58,521 (laughing) 1125 01:03:58,523 --> 01:04:00,356 And he liked to be big. 1126 01:04:04,963 --> 01:04:07,497 (drums playing) 1127 01:04:15,874 --> 01:04:19,742 My daughter was in the Watts parade and 1128 01:04:19,744 --> 01:04:22,779 Johnny Cochran was the grand marshal. 1129 01:04:25,050 --> 01:04:28,685 He said, "I want to see you guys at the trial." 1130 01:04:30,222 --> 01:04:33,857 I hadn't planned to go, but since he asked me, 1131 01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,393 I said, well Johnny wants me to come, and 1132 01:04:37,395 --> 01:04:39,796 he asked me to come, so I'm coming down here. 1133 01:04:39,798 --> 01:04:42,565 I'm gonna find a way to get here every day. 1134 01:04:42,567 --> 01:04:46,102 (dramatic music) 1135 01:04:46,104 --> 01:04:49,072 OJ Simpson is about appear in a Los Angeles courtroom. 1136 01:04:49,074 --> 01:04:50,440 He's going to enter a plea, 1137 01:04:50,442 --> 01:04:52,509 a date for trial will be set, 1138 01:04:52,511 --> 01:04:57,080 and a judge to oversee the trial is going to be appointed. 1139 01:04:57,082 --> 01:05:01,618 This is the time set for the arraignment of Mr. Simpson. 1140 01:05:01,620 --> 01:05:05,121 Mr. Simpson you are charged with the crime of murder. 1141 01:05:05,123 --> 01:05:06,823 Are you ready to enter a plea at this time? 1142 01:05:06,825 --> 01:05:08,258 Yes, your honor. 1143 01:05:08,260 --> 01:05:10,493 How do you plea to counts one and two? 1144 01:05:10,495 --> 01:05:14,130 Absolutely 100% not guilty. 1145 01:05:14,132 --> 01:05:17,967 That's when I want to hear, you're not guilty. 1146 01:05:17,969 --> 01:05:19,335 He was back on his feet and ready 1147 01:05:19,337 --> 01:05:21,971 to tell the whole world that he was wrongly accused. 1148 01:05:21,973 --> 01:05:24,340 And it was just the biggest bunch of horse shit. 1149 01:05:24,342 --> 01:05:25,975 Thank you, you may be seated. 1150 01:05:25,977 --> 01:05:28,278 But he sold it. 1151 01:05:29,447 --> 01:05:30,780 I gave him a thumbs up. 1152 01:05:30,782 --> 01:05:34,450 And he looked over at me and he waved at me. 1153 01:05:34,452 --> 01:05:36,519 He was very good looking. 1154 01:05:37,789 --> 01:05:40,623 And that day he was really good looking. 1155 01:05:40,625 --> 01:05:42,792 (laughing) 1156 01:05:42,794 --> 01:05:45,295 I may not have thought he was a big celebrity but it 1157 01:05:45,297 --> 01:05:48,998 became really clear to me super fast that he was to others. 1158 01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,467 OJ Simpson, I really admire the guy, 1159 01:05:51,469 --> 01:05:54,370 football, and great actor. 1160 01:05:54,372 --> 01:05:56,973 OJ Simpson has been a hero of mine since college. 1161 01:05:56,975 --> 01:05:59,709 I think he's a great man and a a great hero, 1162 01:05:59,711 --> 01:06:01,911 and has touched a lot of lives. 1163 01:06:03,248 --> 01:06:05,081 I don't think he did it, 1164 01:06:05,083 --> 01:06:08,084 doesn't seem like that kind of person. 1165 01:06:08,086 --> 01:06:11,921 I'm assigning the case to Judge Lance Ito. 1166 01:06:11,923 --> 01:06:14,657 Judge Ito is an acceptable fashion. 1167 01:06:16,761 --> 01:06:18,995 Judge Ito will be accepted for the people as well. 1168 01:06:18,997 --> 01:06:23,266 Very well, thank you, then that is the assignment. 1169 01:06:23,268 --> 01:06:25,868 Here's the first time we'll really get to see the system. 1170 01:06:25,870 --> 01:06:27,737 To see if it really works. 1171 01:06:27,739 --> 01:06:31,007 For someone with some money, a celebrity. 1172 01:06:32,510 --> 01:06:36,379 A well loved, respected, cherished type of man. 1173 01:06:36,381 --> 01:06:39,682 Now, let's see if justice can work for him. 1174 01:06:48,226 --> 01:06:50,860 (dramatic music) 1175 01:06:58,203 --> 01:07:00,436 There's nothing more important 1176 01:07:00,438 --> 01:07:04,340 during a jury trial, than the selection of your jury. 1177 01:07:07,579 --> 01:07:10,780 You can win or lose you case right there. 1178 01:07:11,950 --> 01:07:15,285 The issue of where to conduct the trial, 1179 01:07:15,287 --> 01:07:19,188 the Santa Monica court house, largely white jury pool. 1180 01:07:20,992 --> 01:07:23,860 Downtown LA, largely black jury pool. 1181 01:07:25,330 --> 01:07:27,096 Gil Garcetti, the DA, always said, 1182 01:07:27,098 --> 01:07:30,233 "Well it just logistically had to be downtown." 1183 01:07:30,235 --> 01:07:31,834 A lot of us thought that Gil Garcetti, 1184 01:07:31,836 --> 01:07:35,805 elected official, needed to protect 1185 01:07:35,807 --> 01:07:38,574 his reputation in the black community, 1186 01:07:38,576 --> 01:07:42,578 a big voting block, by keeping the case downtown. 1187 01:07:42,580 --> 01:07:45,281 I'm confident that we can, indeed, 1188 01:07:45,283 --> 01:07:49,085 find white, black, brown, every color juror 1189 01:07:49,087 --> 01:07:54,090 there is, who will, indeed, be fair and impartial. 1190 01:07:54,092 --> 01:07:58,127 I think it would have been societally better, 1191 01:07:58,129 --> 01:08:02,999 from the DA's perspective, to win a conviction downtown. 1192 01:08:03,001 --> 01:08:04,867 And to not be accused of having stacked this, 1193 01:08:04,869 --> 01:08:06,969 in such a way that whites were to 1194 01:08:06,971 --> 01:08:09,672 stand in judgment of black men. 1195 01:08:12,143 --> 01:08:13,976 If you have a juror who believes 1196 01:08:13,978 --> 01:08:18,114 police never do anything wrong, you're in tough shape. 1197 01:08:18,116 --> 01:08:20,983 Certainly, you can find most people, 1198 01:08:20,985 --> 01:08:23,186 want to believe their police officers are 1199 01:08:23,188 --> 01:08:24,554 fair and want to do their job and so 1200 01:08:24,556 --> 01:08:27,123 that's a given, you start with that, 1201 01:08:27,125 --> 01:08:28,524 but you've got to find that person who 1202 01:08:28,526 --> 01:08:30,126 understands that in the real world 1203 01:08:30,128 --> 01:08:32,762 that doesn't happen all the time. 1204 01:08:35,834 --> 01:08:39,535 We interviewed over 5000 people in Los Angeles 1205 01:08:39,537 --> 01:08:41,971 in perpetration for the OJ Simpson trial. 1206 01:08:41,973 --> 01:08:43,940 The conclusions were that 1207 01:08:45,210 --> 01:08:48,077 just presenting the straight up evidence, 1208 01:08:48,079 --> 01:08:50,246 you weren't going to get a lot of 1209 01:08:50,248 --> 01:08:54,217 sympathetic African American females, 1210 01:08:54,219 --> 01:08:57,053 many harbored a resentment that this 1211 01:08:57,055 --> 01:08:59,722 famous athlete, this charming guy, 1212 01:08:59,724 --> 01:09:01,924 had a married a white, blonde woman 1213 01:09:01,926 --> 01:09:05,828 rather than someone from his own community. 1214 01:09:05,830 --> 01:09:10,032 But the antagonism was to her and not him. 1215 01:09:10,034 --> 01:09:12,502 OJ you look gorgeous right now. 1216 01:09:13,938 --> 01:09:16,539 How come you're so loyal to this man 1217 01:09:16,541 --> 01:09:19,575 who married a white woman? 1218 01:09:19,577 --> 01:09:23,513 And was dating her while he was married to a black woman. 1219 01:09:25,383 --> 01:09:27,216 I mean, doesn't any of this make 1220 01:09:27,218 --> 01:09:31,053 you feel a little less defensive of him. 1221 01:09:31,055 --> 01:09:33,723 Marcia Clark had this 1222 01:09:33,725 --> 01:09:37,093 faith about her ability to connect 1223 01:09:37,095 --> 01:09:39,328 with African American woman. 1224 01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:42,365 African American women had been some 1225 01:09:42,367 --> 01:09:44,534 of my best jurors on previous cases. 1226 01:09:44,536 --> 01:09:47,370 Even when the defendant was an African American. 1227 01:09:47,372 --> 01:09:49,272 There was just a way, an easy way I had, 1228 01:09:49,274 --> 01:09:51,741 that I could talk to them. 1229 01:09:51,743 --> 01:09:53,042 Now, we will show you the other side 1230 01:09:53,044 --> 01:09:55,278 of the smiling face that you saw on the Hertz commercial. 1231 01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,047 We had trial simulations. 1232 01:09:58,049 --> 01:09:59,882 The one you never saw on camera. 1233 01:09:59,884 --> 01:10:02,885 Marcia was not received positively. 1234 01:10:04,222 --> 01:10:07,623 Marcia Clark, every black woman, bitch. 1235 01:10:10,728 --> 01:10:12,128 When they had the mock jury, 1236 01:10:12,130 --> 01:10:13,763 the mock trial, and some of the comments 1237 01:10:13,765 --> 01:10:15,731 came back about you, about maybe being 1238 01:10:15,733 --> 01:10:17,066 really hard or tough, what did you 1239 01:10:17,068 --> 01:10:18,935 think when you heard some of that. 1240 01:10:18,937 --> 01:10:22,305 I was very surprised, the balance of them 1241 01:10:22,307 --> 01:10:25,241 said good things, so, you know, the media 1242 01:10:25,243 --> 01:10:27,510 takes one kernel and blows it up into 1243 01:10:27,512 --> 01:10:29,045 a huge bowl of popcorn. 1244 01:10:31,282 --> 01:10:33,082 Marcia tended to discount the 1245 01:10:33,084 --> 01:10:35,284 fact that black women jurors didn't 1246 01:10:35,286 --> 01:10:37,887 seem to appreciate her very much. 1247 01:10:39,691 --> 01:10:41,123 I had no illusions about what 1248 01:10:41,125 --> 01:10:43,593 I was going to be up against. 1249 01:10:43,595 --> 01:10:44,827 The odds were stacked against us 1250 01:10:44,829 --> 01:10:46,462 in terms of the African American jurors 1251 01:10:46,464 --> 01:10:49,465 because that's what the polls showed. 1252 01:10:49,467 --> 01:10:50,833 A California poll, released 1253 01:10:50,835 --> 01:10:53,269 today, found that only 10% of blacks, 1254 01:10:53,271 --> 01:10:54,504 who were surveyed, believed it is very 1255 01:10:54,506 --> 01:10:56,939 likely, that Simpson was guilty. 1256 01:10:59,110 --> 01:11:02,345 The ideal juror would have been 1257 01:11:02,347 --> 01:11:05,047 younger, i.e. someone not familiar 1258 01:11:05,049 --> 01:11:08,451 with Simpson at the high of his fame, 1259 01:11:08,453 --> 01:11:10,253 Asian, or probably white. 1260 01:11:12,690 --> 01:11:14,690 All we want, just give me, 1261 01:11:14,692 --> 01:11:17,693 12 fair, responsible, unbiased jurors 1262 01:11:19,697 --> 01:11:21,497 who are going to follow the law 1263 01:11:21,499 --> 01:11:24,300 and put aside their personal feelings 1264 01:11:24,302 --> 01:11:27,904 and do what the court and the law requires. 1265 01:11:35,146 --> 01:11:36,879 In Los Angeles today, the judge and lawyers 1266 01:11:36,881 --> 01:11:38,848 in the OJ Simpson murder trial began 1267 01:11:38,850 --> 01:11:42,084 interviewing prospective jurors face to face. 1268 01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,927 Just to set the scene for you, 1269 01:11:50,929 --> 01:11:53,029 when all the jurors walk in, 1270 01:11:53,031 --> 01:11:56,532 all the attorneys are lined up like a receiving line, 1271 01:11:56,534 --> 01:11:59,368 and several times during the proceedings, 1272 01:11:59,370 --> 01:12:01,571 OJ Simpson would turn and seem to 1273 01:12:01,573 --> 01:12:03,272 make eye contact with people, 1274 01:12:03,274 --> 01:12:07,076 and occasionally smile at people in the audience. 1275 01:12:36,374 --> 01:12:39,041 The quest for impartial jurors has 1276 01:12:39,043 --> 01:12:41,877 been going on now for more than a month. 1277 01:12:47,452 --> 01:12:49,785 They called me to the chair. 1278 01:12:51,322 --> 01:12:54,256 When I sat down, I didn't even put my purse down. 1279 01:12:54,258 --> 01:12:56,726 Because I felt like it was going to be that quick. 1280 01:12:56,728 --> 01:12:58,394 They were going to say, you're excused. 1281 01:12:58,396 --> 01:12:59,495 I'm looking at the list, 1282 01:12:59,497 --> 01:13:01,097 I know what's coming up. 1283 01:13:01,099 --> 01:13:02,264 I know who's left behind me. 1284 01:13:02,266 --> 01:13:03,466 I know what I've got in the box. 1285 01:13:03,468 --> 01:13:04,900 I have to look and see, 1286 01:13:04,902 --> 01:13:07,269 am I going to do better or worse. 1287 01:13:07,271 --> 01:13:10,272 There was a process, of what I have labeled 1288 01:13:10,274 --> 01:13:11,741 as reverse Darwinism, 1289 01:13:13,344 --> 01:13:16,445 I call it the survival of the most unfit jurors. 1290 01:13:16,447 --> 01:13:17,480 Many it seems want to watch, 1291 01:13:17,482 --> 01:13:20,449 but fewer wish to serve. 1292 01:13:20,451 --> 01:13:22,852 91 of 219 people summoned for 1293 01:13:22,854 --> 01:13:25,087 Simpson jury duty, said in a questionnaire, 1294 01:13:25,089 --> 01:13:28,758 a likely 6 month trial would be too great a hardship. 1295 01:13:32,597 --> 01:13:34,997 I think it's the only way, to ensure 1296 01:13:34,999 --> 01:13:38,901 that we are going to have a fair trial for both sides. 1297 01:13:42,006 --> 01:13:46,542 Jurors who were available for six months 1298 01:13:46,544 --> 01:13:49,912 skewed heavily towards a lower socioeconomic 1299 01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:56,585 strata of jurors and a much more diverse jury pool. 1300 01:13:58,856 --> 01:14:00,556 A lot of smart jurors who might have been 1301 01:14:00,558 --> 01:14:04,527 open to DNA scientific evidence simply went by the wayside. 1302 01:14:06,564 --> 01:14:09,799 We didn't have many of our type of juror. 1303 01:14:11,836 --> 01:14:13,569 I thought, okay, I better quit while I'm behind 1304 01:14:13,571 --> 01:14:15,838 and not get further behind because it was 1305 01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,908 only going to go downhill from there. 1306 01:14:20,378 --> 01:14:21,811 They said, your honor we accept, 1307 01:14:21,813 --> 01:14:24,947 and at that point, I sunk in my chair. 1308 01:14:26,250 --> 01:14:28,317 I was stunned. 1309 01:14:28,319 --> 01:14:31,887 Oh my God, oh my God, and I told my daughter, 1310 01:14:33,424 --> 01:14:36,092 and she said, oh mother, oh my God. 1311 01:14:40,431 --> 01:14:43,299 And my son, he said, oh my God, mother. 1312 01:14:46,738 --> 01:14:49,004 And that was it. 1313 01:14:49,006 --> 01:14:52,908 In the end, we did the best we could with a bad lot. 1314 01:14:55,513 --> 01:14:58,848 We wound up with eight African American women, 1315 01:14:58,850 --> 01:15:01,584 I thought, you know it will be an uphill battle 1316 01:15:01,586 --> 01:15:03,352 but I think they'll listen. 1317 01:15:03,354 --> 01:15:06,055 Thrilled, we're thrilled. 1318 01:15:06,057 --> 01:15:08,591 We were so stunned 1319 01:15:08,593 --> 01:15:12,194 that we had such a large collection of favorable jurors. 1320 01:15:13,598 --> 01:15:16,432 75% of the actual jurors believed 1321 01:15:18,469 --> 01:15:20,870 that he could not have committed these murders 1322 01:15:20,872 --> 01:15:24,607 because he excelled at football at USC. 1323 01:15:24,609 --> 01:15:25,708 The only thing that could get you 1324 01:15:25,710 --> 01:15:27,209 through some times is that guys 1325 01:15:27,211 --> 01:15:29,478 look at each other and say, hey man, we are SC. 1326 01:15:29,480 --> 01:15:32,114 (laughing) 1327 01:15:32,116 --> 01:15:35,384 We were about to walk in to 1328 01:15:35,386 --> 01:15:37,486 the lockup from the court room. 1329 01:15:37,488 --> 01:15:39,855 OJ looked back one last time, 1330 01:15:41,058 --> 01:15:42,491 it was me, Johnny, we were going 1331 01:15:42,493 --> 01:15:44,226 back to talk about everything 1332 01:15:44,228 --> 01:15:46,629 and OJ said, "Guys, if this jury 1333 01:15:47,899 --> 01:15:50,399 convicts me, maybe I did do it." 1334 01:16:00,478 --> 01:16:03,379 (birds chirping) 1335 01:16:04,315 --> 01:16:07,183 (orchestral music) 1336 01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:19,929 It has seven months to reach this point. 1337 01:16:22,466 --> 01:16:23,866 We are, and I think the client, 1338 01:16:23,868 --> 01:16:26,268 is really, really pleased, that we 1339 01:16:26,270 --> 01:16:30,105 can have someone stand up and speak to the tryers of fact. 1340 01:16:31,342 --> 01:16:34,176 Time to stop posturing. 1341 01:16:34,178 --> 01:16:35,444 Let's go to trial. 1342 01:16:35,446 --> 01:16:38,614 Have a good one everybody. 1343 01:16:38,616 --> 01:16:40,683 Five, four, three, two, one. 1344 01:16:48,125 --> 01:16:51,594 Council and the audience please be seated. 1345 01:16:53,231 --> 01:16:55,497 Alright, are both sides prepared to go forward, Mr. Cochran? 1346 01:16:55,499 --> 01:16:56,465 We are, your Honor. 1347 01:16:56,467 --> 01:16:57,333 Ms. Clark? 1348 01:16:57,335 --> 01:16:58,534 Yes, we are, your Honor. 1349 01:16:58,536 --> 01:16:59,535 Alright, do the people wish 1350 01:16:59,537 --> 01:17:00,302 to make an opening statement? 1351 01:17:00,304 --> 01:17:02,304 Yes we do. 1352 01:17:02,306 --> 01:17:03,339 Alright, you may proceed. 1353 01:17:03,341 --> 01:17:05,441 Mr. Darden, thank you. 1354 01:17:07,245 --> 01:17:09,645 When we started off, 1355 01:17:09,647 --> 01:17:13,749 the prosecution had their team of lawyers. 1356 01:17:13,751 --> 01:17:17,086 Your Honor Judge Ito, Mr. Cochran, 1357 01:17:17,088 --> 01:17:19,421 Mr. Shapiro, and Dean Allman. 1358 01:17:20,558 --> 01:17:22,825 And here's this new face at the table. 1359 01:17:22,827 --> 01:17:24,760 And to you ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 1360 01:17:24,762 --> 01:17:26,862 Good morning. 1361 01:17:26,864 --> 01:17:29,365 And I'm like, why are they bring him here? 1362 01:17:29,367 --> 01:17:30,532 And we're here today, 1363 01:17:30,534 --> 01:17:32,668 obviously, to resolve an issue, 1364 01:17:33,871 --> 01:17:35,371 to settle a question, 1365 01:17:35,373 --> 01:17:37,573 a question that has been on the minds of 1366 01:17:37,575 --> 01:17:40,576 people throughout the country these last seven months. 1367 01:17:40,578 --> 01:17:42,011 Certainly has been on the mind 1368 01:17:42,013 --> 01:17:43,612 of my people up in Richmond, California 1369 01:17:43,614 --> 01:17:45,614 and friends in Fayetteville, Georgia 1370 01:17:45,616 --> 01:17:46,715 and all across the country and 1371 01:17:46,717 --> 01:17:48,384 everybody wants to know, did OJ Simpson 1372 01:17:48,386 --> 01:17:51,820 really kill Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman? 1373 01:17:55,393 --> 01:17:58,527 It was apparent to everyone in America, 1374 01:18:01,299 --> 01:18:03,432 why he was now on the case. 1375 01:18:05,269 --> 01:18:07,536 Well, certainly because he was black. 1376 01:18:07,538 --> 01:18:09,872 If that was pearbuddy, because he was a good lawyer. 1377 01:18:09,874 --> 01:18:11,607 He's a good lawyer, we needed to add to the team. 1378 01:18:11,609 --> 01:18:14,944 Thicken the team up, that's the party line. 1379 01:18:16,714 --> 01:18:20,449 I thought Chris was a very good trial lawyer. 1380 01:18:20,451 --> 01:18:23,052 Any questions for Chris? 1381 01:18:23,054 --> 01:18:24,620 He was young, he was learning. 1382 01:18:24,622 --> 01:18:26,455 Come on, man, come on. 1383 01:18:26,457 --> 01:18:29,558 Look at this guy, come on, we have to drag him over. 1384 01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,327 But he was very good. 1385 01:18:32,897 --> 01:18:35,898 There was a little bit of cockiness. 1386 01:18:35,900 --> 01:18:39,101 But it was not an offensive cockiness. 1387 01:18:39,103 --> 01:18:40,569 I don't care what anybody says, 1388 01:18:40,571 --> 01:18:41,937 I dress much better than Johnny Cochran. 1389 01:18:41,939 --> 01:18:43,339 (laughing) 1390 01:18:43,341 --> 01:18:45,741 Johnny, I'm going to introduce you to my, 1391 01:18:45,743 --> 01:18:48,978 well I'm gonna show you the rack where I buy my suits. 1392 01:18:48,980 --> 01:18:50,112 He had a pretty good reputation 1393 01:18:50,114 --> 01:18:52,514 as someone who can build a case. 1394 01:18:54,085 --> 01:18:58,620 And of course, most notably, Chris was black. 1395 01:18:58,622 --> 01:19:00,522 And Marcia and I were not. 1396 01:19:07,031 --> 01:19:09,999 You hear a lot about this talk about justice. 1397 01:19:10,001 --> 01:19:11,834 I guess, Dr. Martin Luther King said it best, 1398 01:19:11,836 --> 01:19:14,103 when he said that, injustice anywhere 1399 01:19:14,105 --> 01:19:17,006 is a threat to justice everywhere. 1400 01:19:17,008 --> 01:19:20,609 So, we are now, embarked upon this search for justice. 1401 01:19:22,113 --> 01:19:25,114 I have to tell you personally, for all the cases 1402 01:19:25,116 --> 01:19:27,783 I've tried, I never felt so white. 1403 01:19:29,053 --> 01:19:31,320 It seems to me that the fact that blood 1404 01:19:31,322 --> 01:19:35,057 mysteriously appears on vital pieces of evidence 1405 01:19:35,059 --> 01:19:39,828 and it's predicted what the results will be regarding DNA, 1406 01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:43,232 when that evidence is still in the police lab, 1407 01:19:43,234 --> 01:19:47,136 is devastating evidence of something far more sinister. 1408 01:19:48,739 --> 01:19:52,574 Using the concept of a conspiracy, historically, 1409 01:19:54,078 --> 01:19:59,214 in Los Angeles will resonate with diverse jurors, 1410 01:19:59,216 --> 01:20:01,550 who know about this history. 1411 01:20:03,721 --> 01:20:06,388 You had to have someone to blame. 1412 01:20:08,259 --> 01:20:11,493 Detective Mark Fuhrman, now it's very interesting, 1413 01:20:11,495 --> 01:20:14,596 that the prosecution never once 1414 01:20:14,598 --> 01:20:16,865 mentioned his name yesterday. 1415 01:20:16,867 --> 01:20:18,834 It's like they just want to hide him, 1416 01:20:18,836 --> 01:20:22,438 but they can't hide him, he very much a part of this case. 1417 01:20:24,375 --> 01:20:26,809 Chris Darden saw that this case 1418 01:20:28,379 --> 01:20:31,847 was becoming this weird referendum on the LAPD, 1419 01:20:36,754 --> 01:20:40,789 on the history of race in Los Angeles. 1420 01:20:40,791 --> 01:20:43,659 And Chris, he understood those issues. 1421 01:20:44,862 --> 01:20:48,797 He had worked in what was then our SID unit, 1422 01:20:48,799 --> 01:20:51,667 which investigated police abuse cases. 1423 01:20:53,571 --> 01:20:55,370 They obtained those warrants 1424 01:20:55,372 --> 01:20:58,774 simply to level and make uninhabitable those locations. 1425 01:20:58,776 --> 01:21:00,876 Andyof the police officers that were 1426 01:21:00,878 --> 01:21:03,612 called to testify by us, lied on the stand, 1427 01:21:03,614 --> 01:21:07,116 it was obvious to everyone that they were lying. 1428 01:21:07,118 --> 01:21:10,786 Every black lawyer idolized Johnny Cochran in 1994. 1429 01:21:13,891 --> 01:21:17,893 And I say, Chris Darden wanted to out Johnny, Johnny. 1430 01:21:21,265 --> 01:21:23,165 He wanted to beat the man 1431 01:21:24,602 --> 01:21:26,869 on the biggest stage of his career. 1432 01:21:33,978 --> 01:21:35,811 Police detective Mark Fuhrman, 1433 01:21:35,813 --> 01:21:39,748 did he find or plant a bloody glove at Simpson's estate? 1434 01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:41,950 Judge Lance Ito must soon decide 1435 01:21:41,952 --> 01:21:43,352 whether the jury gets to hear 1436 01:21:43,354 --> 01:21:46,655 about detective Fuhrman's checkered past. 1437 01:21:48,092 --> 01:21:51,260 We knew Fuhrman was going to be an important witness. 1438 01:21:51,262 --> 01:21:54,029 People had indicated that he had used racist language 1439 01:21:54,031 --> 01:21:57,799 in an offensive way, I think, in a way that jurors 1440 01:21:57,801 --> 01:22:00,102 and everybody else would not like. 1441 01:22:00,104 --> 01:22:02,271 The N word, or any other racial epitaph, 1442 01:22:02,273 --> 01:22:05,941 has an inflammatory effect, that is incomparable, 1443 01:22:05,943 --> 01:22:08,677 and to that specific issue, 1444 01:22:08,679 --> 01:22:10,846 Mr. Darden wishes to address the court, and 1445 01:22:10,848 --> 01:22:13,982 I think I'll conclude my comments at this time. 1446 01:22:13,984 --> 01:22:16,552 Mr. Darden, good morning. 1447 01:22:16,554 --> 01:22:19,555 Good morning, your Honor. 1448 01:22:19,557 --> 01:22:20,856 Your honor, I think the best indication 1449 01:22:20,858 --> 01:22:22,791 or evidence on just how inflammatory 1450 01:22:22,793 --> 01:22:25,794 the use of the word is, is the fact 1451 01:22:25,796 --> 01:22:28,030 that it appears that Mr. Cochran and I, 1452 01:22:28,032 --> 01:22:31,066 the only two black lead lawyers 1453 01:22:31,068 --> 01:22:33,001 on each side of the council table 1454 01:22:33,003 --> 01:22:34,836 are some how dragged into this issue, 1455 01:22:34,838 --> 01:22:37,306 to argue the issue to the court. 1456 01:22:37,308 --> 01:22:40,075 They used him to make the argument, 1457 01:22:41,845 --> 01:22:44,846 that an African American jury 1458 01:22:44,848 --> 01:22:48,850 can not listen to the utterance of that word 1459 01:22:48,852 --> 01:22:52,921 in some sort of dispassionate, objective way. 1460 01:22:52,923 --> 01:22:54,156 It blinds people, 1461 01:22:55,826 --> 01:22:56,992 it will blind the jury. 1462 01:22:56,994 --> 01:22:59,261 It will blind them to the truth. 1463 01:22:59,263 --> 01:23:02,831 They won't be able to discern what's true and what's not. 1464 01:23:02,833 --> 01:23:04,700 He hit the nail on the head. 1465 01:23:04,702 --> 01:23:06,268 He said, if you do this, you know, 1466 01:23:06,270 --> 01:23:08,870 then that's all that this case is gonna be about. 1467 01:23:08,872 --> 01:23:12,241 All they'll think about is frame up, frame up, frame up. 1468 01:23:12,243 --> 01:23:13,609 All they do is mention the word, 1469 01:23:13,611 --> 01:23:16,111 say to Mark Fuhrman, hey did you ever 1470 01:23:16,113 --> 01:23:18,547 use that N word, and he'll say, Yeah and it's over. 1471 01:23:18,549 --> 01:23:21,016 He must have planted the glove. 1472 01:23:21,018 --> 01:23:23,885 I remember whispering to Johnny, 1473 01:23:23,887 --> 01:23:25,287 is this nigger serious? 1474 01:23:25,289 --> 01:23:27,289 And I'm not saying Mark Fuhrman is a racist. 1475 01:23:27,291 --> 01:23:29,024 Is this nigger crazy? 1476 01:23:29,026 --> 01:23:30,459 He was suffering from stress and 1477 01:23:30,461 --> 01:23:31,560 it has to be stressful to be a 1478 01:23:31,562 --> 01:23:33,028 police officer in the city of LA, 1479 01:23:33,030 --> 01:23:34,363 geez the stuff that is going on 1480 01:23:34,365 --> 01:23:37,766 in this city in the last five to six years. 1481 01:23:37,768 --> 01:23:38,867 Is he serious? 1482 01:23:40,271 --> 01:23:42,938 Or is he just carrying the white man's bucket? 1483 01:23:42,940 --> 01:23:44,273 It will give them a test, and 1484 01:23:44,275 --> 01:23:46,241 the test will be, who's side are you on? 1485 01:23:46,243 --> 01:23:48,744 The side of the white prosecutors and the white policemen 1486 01:23:48,746 --> 01:23:50,612 or on the side of the black defendant and 1487 01:23:50,614 --> 01:23:54,483 his very prominent and capable black lawyer. 1488 01:23:54,485 --> 01:23:56,818 That's what it's gonna do, either you're 1489 01:23:56,820 --> 01:24:00,155 with the man or you're with the brothers. 1490 01:24:01,792 --> 01:24:03,825 I must say, and this is one of those 1491 01:24:03,827 --> 01:24:05,761 sort of bracing moments, this is why you 1492 01:24:05,763 --> 01:24:07,996 need diversity in newsrooms, by the way, 1493 01:24:07,998 --> 01:24:09,398 is that I came out of there thinking 1494 01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:11,233 that Darden made a pretty good point. 1495 01:24:11,235 --> 01:24:13,068 That it's such a shocking word, 1496 01:24:13,070 --> 01:24:16,571 that I found myself flinching at the use of it. 1497 01:24:16,573 --> 01:24:18,006 My colleague, Andrea Ford, 1498 01:24:18,008 --> 01:24:20,809 an African American women, was outraged. 1499 01:24:20,811 --> 01:24:22,678 She felt it was really insulting 1500 01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:24,780 to blacks, to African Americans, 1501 01:24:24,782 --> 01:24:26,014 to think they couldn't hear the word 1502 01:24:26,016 --> 01:24:28,984 and give it the proper weight. 1503 01:24:28,986 --> 01:24:32,087 And I remember thinking, after talking to Andrea, 1504 01:24:32,089 --> 01:24:34,823 wow, that didn't really occur to me. 1505 01:24:34,825 --> 01:24:37,359 It is a reminder, that who we are 1506 01:24:37,361 --> 01:24:39,995 and how we're brought up does affect the way we hear things. 1507 01:24:39,997 --> 01:24:41,196 Thank you very much, Judge Ito. 1508 01:24:41,198 --> 01:24:43,365 I have a funeral to attend today but 1509 01:24:43,367 --> 01:24:46,702 I would be remiss were I not at this time 1510 01:24:46,704 --> 01:24:47,969 to take this opportunity to respond 1511 01:24:47,971 --> 01:24:51,006 to my good friend, Mr. Chris Darden. 1512 01:24:51,008 --> 01:24:52,974 When Johnny gets angry, which is very rare, 1513 01:24:52,976 --> 01:24:56,611 you know, he's remarkably articulate and good. 1514 01:24:57,815 --> 01:25:00,015 Johnny got angry that day. 1515 01:25:00,017 --> 01:25:02,017 His remarks this morning 1516 01:25:02,019 --> 01:25:03,518 are perhaps the most incredible remarks 1517 01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:06,321 I've heard in the court of law 1518 01:25:06,323 --> 01:25:09,124 in the 32 years I've been practicing law. 1519 01:25:09,126 --> 01:25:12,861 His remarks are demeaning to African Americans as a group. 1520 01:25:15,032 --> 01:25:17,566 And so I want, before I go to this funeral, 1521 01:25:17,568 --> 01:25:21,136 to apologize to African Americans across this country. 1522 01:25:21,138 --> 01:25:23,839 African Americans live with offensive words, 1523 01:25:23,841 --> 01:25:26,308 offensive looks, offensive treatment 1524 01:25:26,310 --> 01:25:27,943 everyday of their lives. 1525 01:25:29,980 --> 01:25:34,049 To say they can't be fair is absolutely outrageous. 1526 01:25:34,051 --> 01:25:35,051 I am ashamed 1527 01:25:36,587 --> 01:25:38,854 that Mr. Darden would allow himself to 1528 01:25:38,856 --> 01:25:41,390 become an apologist for this man. 1529 01:25:42,860 --> 01:25:46,995 You can't justify that in a civilized society. 1530 01:25:46,997 --> 01:25:50,732 Nobody wants introduce race into this case, your honor. 1531 01:25:50,734 --> 01:25:52,000 Johnny was dying to get the word 1532 01:25:52,002 --> 01:25:54,035 nigger in front of the jury. 1533 01:25:54,037 --> 01:25:57,072 He also did it in such a way 1534 01:25:57,074 --> 01:25:59,508 that, frankly, he made Darden look ridiculous. 1535 01:25:59,510 --> 01:26:01,209 To come here and testify as an expert to you 1536 01:26:01,211 --> 01:26:03,211 of what black people think in America. 1537 01:26:03,213 --> 01:26:05,881 All across America, today, believe me 1538 01:26:05,883 --> 01:26:08,750 black people are offended at this very moment. 1539 01:26:08,752 --> 01:26:11,453 I think that Johnny was rough on him. 1540 01:26:11,455 --> 01:26:13,355 I think it hurt his feelings. 1541 01:26:13,357 --> 01:26:14,756 A lot of people thought that Chris 1542 01:26:14,758 --> 01:26:17,559 would end up at the Cochran firm. 1543 01:26:17,561 --> 01:26:20,128 And, obviously, that didn't happen. 1544 01:26:21,598 --> 01:26:23,432 People had contempt for him because 1545 01:26:23,434 --> 01:26:27,169 they felt like he was a tool that was being used. 1546 01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:30,205 So time to not to do things that 1547 01:26:30,207 --> 01:26:33,275 it seems to me will last a person's entire career 1548 01:26:33,277 --> 01:26:36,978 such as insulting a whole race of people 1549 01:26:36,980 --> 01:26:39,247 who have meant so much to this country. 1550 01:26:39,249 --> 01:26:43,218 Let's be clear about this, the subtext 1551 01:26:43,220 --> 01:26:45,754 of everything that Johnny Cochran said 1552 01:26:45,756 --> 01:26:48,156 about Chris Darden was, Uncle Tom. 1553 01:26:50,260 --> 01:26:52,828 And it was egregiously unfair. 1554 01:26:54,798 --> 01:26:56,832 Johnny Cochran, among other things, 1555 01:26:56,834 --> 01:27:00,068 tried OJ was an African American defendant. 1556 01:27:00,070 --> 01:27:02,671 When OJ Simpson didn't really have 1557 01:27:02,673 --> 01:27:06,575 much of a reputation as an African American person, really. 1558 01:27:07,945 --> 01:27:09,344 I used to walk on the wild side, 1559 01:27:09,346 --> 01:27:11,680 now I just take a brisk walk. 1560 01:27:14,852 --> 01:27:17,118 This was not a person that you thought of as a, 1561 01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:21,122 kind of, iconic black figure in Los Angeles. 1562 01:27:21,124 --> 01:27:24,593 I mean, he lived two blocks from Mayor Riordan. 1563 01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:29,931 (dramatic music) 1564 01:27:31,268 --> 01:27:34,202 We wanted the jury to see Bundy 1565 01:27:34,204 --> 01:27:35,871 but the defense said, well if we're 1566 01:27:35,873 --> 01:27:40,008 going to do that, we have to go to Rockingham. 1567 01:27:40,010 --> 01:27:41,543 They do not need to go to Rockingham 1568 01:27:41,545 --> 01:27:44,679 but if they do, show them where they found the glove. 1569 01:27:44,681 --> 01:27:48,350 That's all that arguable relevant. 1570 01:27:48,352 --> 01:27:50,485 (police radios) 1571 01:27:50,487 --> 01:27:52,554 We come to find that Ito was going 1572 01:27:52,556 --> 01:27:55,223 to let them go into Rockingham. 1573 01:27:55,225 --> 01:27:56,324 He's going to march the jury 1574 01:27:56,326 --> 01:27:57,492 through the inside of the house, 1575 01:27:57,494 --> 01:27:59,628 which is relevant to what? 1576 01:27:59,630 --> 01:28:01,530 No part of the crime happened inside the house. 1577 01:28:01,532 --> 01:28:03,431 What are we doing there? 1578 01:28:08,205 --> 01:28:12,874 What we did that day is create an illusion. 1579 01:28:12,876 --> 01:28:16,044 When you would walk up the grand staircase 1580 01:28:17,881 --> 01:28:22,317 there was a large wall with pictures of the family, 1581 01:28:22,319 --> 01:28:23,785 pictures of friends, 1582 01:28:25,589 --> 01:28:28,523 pictures of OJ's career, 1583 01:28:28,525 --> 01:28:32,727 problem was the overwhelming majority of 1584 01:28:32,729 --> 01:28:36,631 pictures were of Caucasian friends and colleagues of his. 1585 01:28:42,272 --> 01:28:45,240 We had an African American jury 1586 01:28:45,242 --> 01:28:48,910 and we wanted to make sure that the home setting 1587 01:28:51,114 --> 01:28:54,916 would reflect the themes that we wanted to reflect. 1588 01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:58,019 We took all of his white friends down. 1589 01:28:58,021 --> 01:29:00,755 Put all of his black people up. 1590 01:29:00,757 --> 01:29:03,925 Pictures he probably had never seen before 1591 01:29:05,095 --> 01:29:06,962 because that is what we were told 1592 01:29:06,964 --> 01:29:08,997 the jury would identify with. 1593 01:29:10,233 --> 01:29:12,033 We made him blacker. 1594 01:29:13,303 --> 01:29:16,037 There was a Norman Rockwell lithograph 1595 01:29:17,574 --> 01:29:19,941 that we took from Johnny's office 1596 01:29:22,212 --> 01:29:25,880 and we put that picture at the very top of the stairs. 1597 01:29:29,119 --> 01:29:34,456 We did not remove all of his pictures with white people. 1598 01:29:34,458 --> 01:29:36,224 The whole house would have been gone, 1599 01:29:36,226 --> 01:29:39,995 would have been dark, we didn't do that. 1600 01:29:39,997 --> 01:29:44,566 You have got to be kidding me, it's night and day. 1601 01:29:44,568 --> 01:29:46,234 This was an African American man's house. 1602 01:29:46,236 --> 01:29:50,472 Who had no associations with any white guys whatsoever. 1603 01:29:50,474 --> 01:29:52,040 Marcia saw the wall 1604 01:29:55,078 --> 01:29:58,480 and she said, "Carl, you know damn well, he has never 1605 01:29:58,482 --> 01:30:03,284 had this many black people on his wall, his entire life." 1606 01:30:03,286 --> 01:30:06,321 I said, "Marcia, what are talking about? 1607 01:30:06,323 --> 01:30:10,525 How dare you accuse us of such things." 1608 01:30:10,527 --> 01:30:13,595 I was miserable, I was angry. 1609 01:30:13,597 --> 01:30:15,830 That is very dirty pool. 1610 01:30:15,832 --> 01:30:17,999 If we had had a Latin jury, 1611 01:30:18,001 --> 01:30:20,001 we would have had a picture of him in a sombrero, 1612 01:30:20,003 --> 01:30:24,439 there would have been a mariachi band out front, 1613 01:30:24,441 --> 01:30:27,842 we would have had a pinata at the upper staircase. 1614 01:30:27,844 --> 01:30:29,678 I objected, we went outside, 1615 01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:31,212 we convened a hearing and I said, 1616 01:30:31,214 --> 01:30:33,281 this has no relevance whatsoever. 1617 01:30:33,283 --> 01:30:34,482 They've now changed the scene. 1618 01:30:34,484 --> 01:30:35,984 It was never relevant to begin with 1619 01:30:35,986 --> 01:30:38,553 and now it's completely irrelevant. 1620 01:30:38,555 --> 01:30:40,188 You know the defense is always 1621 01:30:40,190 --> 01:30:42,457 going to push the envelope, that's what they do. 1622 01:30:42,459 --> 01:30:45,627 It's up to the judge to stop them. 1623 01:30:45,629 --> 01:30:48,096 Ito let them get away with it. 1624 01:30:49,332 --> 01:30:52,534 (dramatic music) 1625 01:30:52,536 --> 01:30:55,203 All of a sudden he became black. 1626 01:30:55,205 --> 01:30:58,940 They threw off the cape and now he's one of them. 1627 01:31:02,245 --> 01:31:04,813 I was surprised to see the depth 1628 01:31:04,815 --> 01:31:06,314 of feeling that so many people in 1629 01:31:06,316 --> 01:31:07,849 the black community, certainly those 1630 01:31:07,851 --> 01:31:11,586 around the courthouse, had for him. 1631 01:31:11,588 --> 01:31:12,821 I feel that he is not guilty and 1632 01:31:12,823 --> 01:31:14,989 I also feel that he is being unfairly 1633 01:31:14,991 --> 01:31:17,192 treated as so have a lot of African 1634 01:31:17,194 --> 01:31:22,063 American persons who have been through the judicial process. 1635 01:31:22,065 --> 01:31:24,566 I think that you find among black people, 1636 01:31:24,568 --> 01:31:27,335 an incredible amount of forgiveness 1637 01:31:27,337 --> 01:31:29,838 for anybody living through the pain 1638 01:31:31,541 --> 01:31:33,942 of being black in America. 1639 01:31:33,944 --> 01:31:35,443 They were not involved with OJ 1640 01:31:35,445 --> 01:31:37,512 in terms of critical thinking. 1641 01:31:37,514 --> 01:31:38,580 Why does he mean so much to you? 1642 01:31:38,582 --> 01:31:40,849 You know, I can't answer that, 1643 01:31:40,851 --> 01:31:41,783 this is just something thats 1644 01:31:41,785 --> 01:31:43,618 really struck a cord with me. 1645 01:31:43,620 --> 01:31:45,854 And I'm just compelled to be here. 1646 01:31:45,856 --> 01:31:49,557 He was a black man who was on trial that they 1647 01:31:49,559 --> 01:31:53,495 perceived that white people were trying to unfairly harm. 1648 01:31:57,467 --> 01:31:59,067 They're trying to railroad him, 1649 01:31:59,069 --> 01:32:00,368 they need to find the murderer. 1650 01:32:00,370 --> 01:32:02,537 Go out and look for the murderer. 1651 01:32:02,539 --> 01:32:06,541 He's accused but we all know he didn't do it. 1652 01:32:06,543 --> 01:32:10,378 He was wealthy, he was powerful, he was this, he was that, 1653 01:32:10,380 --> 01:32:12,347 there is a B-U-T, but, 1654 01:32:16,319 --> 01:32:18,052 he was black. 1655 01:32:18,054 --> 01:32:19,287 So, he didn't do it? 1656 01:32:19,289 --> 01:32:20,054 No, he didn't do it. 1657 01:32:20,056 --> 01:32:20,955 How do you know? 1658 01:32:20,957 --> 01:32:21,956 I know he didn't do it. 1659 01:32:21,958 --> 01:32:22,757 How do you know? 1660 01:32:22,759 --> 01:32:24,259 I just know. 1661 01:32:24,261 --> 01:32:27,796 You may be at the top house in Beverly Hills, 1662 01:32:29,566 --> 01:32:33,001 and I may be in the basement of a place in Watts 1663 01:32:37,474 --> 01:32:39,374 but we are connected. 1664 01:32:49,319 --> 01:32:51,753 (dramatic music) 1665 01:32:54,753 --> 01:32:58,753 Preuzeto sa www.titlovi.com 125983

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