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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,740 Now, I understand you had a rough match last night. You wrestled a lady and she 2 00:00:08,740 --> 00:00:09,740 got 14 stitches. 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,780 Yeah, well, if that's what it takes to try to win, that's what I'll do. 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:19,400 You can't say women's wrestling without thinking the fabulous Lula. If she had 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,960 not run the women's wrestling business, there may not have been women's 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:28,240 wrestling. Introducing first to my right, former world's women's champion, 7 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:29,740 fabulous Lula. 8 00:00:31,100 --> 00:00:32,720 As Lula the promoter. 9 00:00:33,230 --> 00:00:35,290 I want to make money for my talent. 10 00:00:35,490 --> 00:00:37,270 I want to make money for Moolah. 11 00:00:40,370 --> 00:00:45,910 Even to this day, if you say women's wrestling, the picture of Moolah 12 00:00:45,910 --> 00:00:48,210 appears in my mind. 13 00:00:50,130 --> 00:00:54,850 If Moolah was alive today, I'd probably slap her. 14 00:00:55,070 --> 00:01:01,110 She was so jealous of any woman that was younger than her in wrestling. 15 00:01:02,060 --> 00:01:04,739 She was also a manipulator, and she was also a thief. 16 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:06,460 She wanted to hurt me. 17 00:01:07,100 --> 00:01:12,620 There was drugs. 18 00:01:13,100 --> 00:01:14,100 There was sex. 19 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,760 There was a lot of abuse. 20 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:23,020 I'm like, wow, they waited until she passed away to say all these things so 21 00:01:23,020 --> 00:01:24,480 couldn't stand up and defend herself. 22 00:01:24,900 --> 00:01:27,940 I was warned, but I wanted to wrestle so bad. 23 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,600 She gave her whole life to professional wrestling. 24 00:01:32,030 --> 00:01:34,490 She gave all these girls an opportunity. 25 00:01:35,030 --> 00:01:41,990 And for nobody to stand up for, I don't know, couldn't deal with it. She was 26 00:01:41,990 --> 00:01:43,690 a great professional wrestler. 27 00:01:44,330 --> 00:01:47,690 But she didn't know when to stop. 28 00:01:48,710 --> 00:01:55,010 On this episode, the life, legend, and controversy of the fabulous Moolah. 29 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:07,900 And it's Fabulous Moolah with a WWF Women's title on the line here. She made 30 00:02:07,900 --> 00:02:09,259 of her costumes herself. 31 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,780 Anything flashy she loved. 32 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:18,220 She was just that kind of person. It really never impressed me that much 33 00:02:18,220 --> 00:02:22,700 to me she was just my mother and I didn't really realize how popular she 34 00:02:23,940 --> 00:02:29,440 My name is Mary Austin and I'm the only child of the Fabulous Moolah. 35 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,600 My mother kind of kept me out of the spotlight, but she loved the spotlight. 36 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:37,560 She was determined to do it. 37 00:02:37,820 --> 00:02:42,260 When you really love something, you put yourself into it, and she had all of 38 00:02:42,260 --> 00:02:45,260 herself into it. This is one Mary let me have. 39 00:02:45,700 --> 00:02:50,100 As you can see how beautiful it is, sparkly, just like Moolah liked it. Oh, 40 00:02:50,100 --> 00:02:51,100 yeah. 41 00:02:51,380 --> 00:02:53,180 My name is Selena Majors. 42 00:02:53,620 --> 00:02:55,200 I wrestled as Bambi. 43 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,980 Started in 1986, so I've been in it for 32 years. 44 00:02:59,530 --> 00:03:03,790 I wanted my name as a kid to be Dynamite Dixie Majors. So I've got these big 45 00:03:03,790 --> 00:03:06,810 posters that would say, The Fabulous Moolah Champion vs. 46 00:03:07,170 --> 00:03:08,490 Dynamite Dixie Majors. 47 00:03:09,230 --> 00:03:10,870 I had this lifestyle doll. 48 00:03:11,890 --> 00:03:16,170 And I'd take that doll and I would body slam it and climb up on the bed and drop 49 00:03:16,170 --> 00:03:17,170 an elbow. 50 00:03:18,070 --> 00:03:21,970 I'd stand in front of the mirror with my hair brushed, do little interviews and 51 00:03:21,970 --> 00:03:24,330 tell Moolah how I was going to come and wrestle her. 52 00:03:25,650 --> 00:03:28,570 As you can tell, I like the bad guys, the heels. 53 00:03:28,990 --> 00:03:30,670 She was a heel. She played that part. 54 00:03:31,070 --> 00:03:34,630 My name is the fabulous Moolah. I've been wrestling since I was 15 years old, 55 00:03:34,730 --> 00:03:37,010 and I am the world's champion lady wrestler. 56 00:03:37,730 --> 00:03:40,350 They hated her, but that's what she wanted. 57 00:03:43,070 --> 00:03:44,070 Oh, 58 00:03:45,290 --> 00:03:49,790 I'd fix up a little spoon handle, you know, about the size of your finger, 59 00:03:49,790 --> 00:03:51,730 it up with tape, and put it down in my bra. 60 00:03:52,070 --> 00:03:55,870 The meaner she was, the more they liked it, you know, and she loved being a 61 00:03:55,870 --> 00:03:58,670 heel. They get in the eyes and the throat. 62 00:03:59,910 --> 00:04:04,650 The Fabulous Moolah started as a female wrestler, and then she became the female 63 00:04:04,650 --> 00:04:08,290 wrestling champion, and then she became the booker of all the girl wrestlers. 64 00:04:08,610 --> 00:04:12,670 I first broke into wrestling as a photographer. I was a 15 -year -old kid, 65 00:04:12,670 --> 00:04:15,730 was doing all of the photography that was sold in the arenas for the entire 66 00:04:15,730 --> 00:04:16,750 Memphis wrestling territory. 67 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,459 Moolah, can I get a couple of pictures for the magazines? 68 00:04:19,700 --> 00:04:23,100 Always say for the magazines, right? Well, of course you can, darling. And 69 00:04:23,100 --> 00:04:26,540 had her stock poses, boom, boom, boom, in 30 seconds, and she's off to the 70 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:33,640 Moolah pioneered the hair -pulling, cat -fighting, scratching, crowd -pleasing 71 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,280 kind of women's wrestling. 72 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:39,640 She broke glass ceilings one after another. 73 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,400 She got into wrestling when there was no women in wrestling. 74 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:48,760 Women's wrestling was actually banned in Madison Square Garden, and Moolah was 75 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,780 the one that was chosen to break the ban. 76 00:04:50,980 --> 00:04:53,920 She was the featured girl in the first girls' match in the Garden. 77 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,500 Now that she's almost 60, she's on MTV. 78 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:04,740 It's 1984, the rock and wrestling connection, Cyndi Lauper, and that whole 79 00:05:04,740 --> 00:05:09,600 of network TV and Madison Square Garden and MTV and rock and roll stars. 80 00:05:10,020 --> 00:05:12,720 And this place is ready to explode tonight. 81 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:18,000 got so much national attention that NBC and everybody else started looking at 82 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:24,060 pro wrestling. She made it from the mid -50s to the dawn of MTV for the biggest 83 00:05:24,060 --> 00:05:28,180 payoff she ever made. There she is, the fabulous one, the fabulous Moolah, 84 00:05:28,300 --> 00:05:30,440 putting her title on the line. 85 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:35,060 There'll never be anyone to have the guts that she had. 86 00:05:36,780 --> 00:05:38,480 This must have been really old. 87 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:41,460 Look at that, look at her hair. 88 00:05:42,060 --> 00:05:43,520 This is a wrestling license. 89 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:47,280 Her mom passed away when she was about nine, I think. 90 00:05:47,660 --> 00:05:51,600 And then it was her dad and her brothers that raised her. So she learned how to 91 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:52,600 fight real early. 92 00:05:53,140 --> 00:05:57,480 It was rough for her. I was an only child, and she was just a teenager. 93 00:05:58,460 --> 00:06:00,860 She went to wrestling matches every week. 94 00:06:01,380 --> 00:06:04,540 And my mother saw Mildred Burke, and she said, that's what I want to be. 95 00:06:05,260 --> 00:06:08,700 It's Mildred Burke of Los Angeles, California, world champion. 96 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:14,260 Back in the 30s and 40s, Mildred Burke was such a legitimate athlete. She was 97 00:06:14,260 --> 00:06:18,780 tremendous shape, and she just had a natural flair for wrestling. But behind 98 00:06:18,780 --> 00:06:22,420 scenes, Billy Wolf, Mildred Burke's husband, was pulling the strings and 99 00:06:22,420 --> 00:06:24,580 the whole women's troupe for good and bad. 100 00:06:25,660 --> 00:06:29,060 When she was 17 or 18, she went to see Billy Wolf. 101 00:06:29,340 --> 00:06:33,800 When you became a wrestler for Billy Wolf, you automatically had to go to bed 102 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:34,619 with him. 103 00:06:34,620 --> 00:06:36,280 She said she wasn't doing it. 104 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,860 She could find some other way to wrestle without. 105 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:43,480 having to go to bed with him or anyone else what's the worst experience you you 106 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:48,080 might want to say that like you ever had with a promoter that's kind of hard to 107 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:53,500 talk about really the fabulous mulai at one point was married to a guy named 108 00:06:53,500 --> 00:06:58,460 buddy lee buddy lee used to wrestle of course they met and they sort of fell 109 00:06:58,460 --> 00:07:04,340 each other and she did most of the wrestling and he did most of the booking 110 00:07:04,340 --> 00:07:10,620 basically copied the mildred burke and Billy Wolf playbook, they kept their own 111 00:07:10,620 --> 00:07:15,000 stable, they took all the bookings, and more importantly, a booking fee out of 112 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,080 all of the girls' pay. 113 00:07:16,580 --> 00:07:20,820 You knew right off the bat why she got in the business and why she wanted to be 114 00:07:20,820 --> 00:07:21,699 a star. 115 00:07:21,700 --> 00:07:23,640 She loved money. 116 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:31,500 Moolah would play such a dominant role in women's wrestling that in 2018, 11 117 00:07:31,500 --> 00:07:35,500 years after her death, her memory still loomed over the sport. 118 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,760 The WWE made the announcement on March the 12th that they were going to honor 119 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,140 the Fabulous Moolah by having the Fabulous Moolah Memorial Battle Royal. 120 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,600 I thought it was very nice that they would name it after her, keeping her 121 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:48,600 going. 122 00:07:48,940 --> 00:07:52,220 Two or three days later, that had all been taken away. 123 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,460 Let's talk about the Fabulous Moolah controversy. 124 00:07:54,860 --> 00:07:56,240 I think it's a bunch of bull. 125 00:07:56,540 --> 00:07:58,440 I really think it's a bunch of bull. 126 00:07:58,740 --> 00:08:00,120 Moolah has an awful past. 127 00:08:00,510 --> 00:08:02,390 Some really, really sick shit. 128 00:08:02,610 --> 00:08:07,110 She was an evil person. Moolah was pimping girls out. A lot of this stuff 129 00:08:07,110 --> 00:08:08,370 alleged. We've got to say that. 130 00:08:08,790 --> 00:08:13,330 Alleged. Grossed out about it. Name it something else. It's not hard. Crap it. 131 00:08:15,910 --> 00:08:17,650 Stories started coming out on the internet. 132 00:08:17,890 --> 00:08:22,690 Fabulous Moolah suddenly was a horrible person who took advantage of all these 133 00:08:22,690 --> 00:08:27,250 women and pimped them out and fed them drugs and all this stuff. They contacted 134 00:08:27,250 --> 00:08:29,610 the sponsors and they had to take her name off. 135 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,919 I was very shocked because I knew better. I knew none of that was true. 136 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,039 And thanks to Nigel, he took the lead way on it. 137 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,179 My name is Nigel Sherritt. I'm mostly known as a wrestling hogan. 138 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:48,720 The Fight for Moolah campaign came about because we started a petition to put 139 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:54,640 the truth out there and to honor the woman who broke down the walls for 140 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:55,640 everybody else. 141 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:59,560 I just wanted to clear a name because Moolah's not here to defend herself. 142 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:04,620 Did Moolah indeed take advantage of the girls? Some of the girls have said yes, 143 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:05,840 some of the girls have said no. 144 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:11,500 I think that it was ignorant, canceling the Fabulous Moolah Memorial Battle 145 00:09:11,500 --> 00:09:16,540 Royal, because I interviewed over 20 women, and they all said the same thing. 146 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,240 No truth to those rumors. 147 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,320 Accusations about Moolah polarized the wrestling world. 148 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:28,200 They originated from an investigative newspaper story that quoted serious 149 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,760 allegations by the family of one of her former wrestlers. 150 00:09:32,700 --> 00:09:37,820 St. Mark, if you see these guys moving around, they are a professional film 151 00:09:37,820 --> 00:09:43,760 company, and they are doing an episode dealing with pro -women wrestlers, 152 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,000 which one of them was my mother. 153 00:09:47,740 --> 00:09:52,420 South Carolina's first black female professional wrestler, Sweet Georgia 154 00:09:56,060 --> 00:09:57,900 I'm Michael McCoy. 155 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:01,600 I'm the senior pastor at St. Mark Baptist Church. 156 00:10:01,940 --> 00:10:06,460 That article that came out in the Columbia Free Times, it was about what 157 00:10:06,460 --> 00:10:09,900 mother had to go through and endure while she was in wrestling. 158 00:10:10,260 --> 00:10:12,460 I started a search to try to find out the truth. 159 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,100 Maybe you could just tell us your name and a little bit about yourself. 160 00:10:16,500 --> 00:10:22,120 Yes, my name is Barbara Harsey, and I am the proud daughter of Susan A. McCoy. 161 00:10:22,900 --> 00:10:24,220 Who is also known as? 162 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:25,560 Queen Georgia Brown. 163 00:10:27,630 --> 00:10:34,230 When my mom went into wrestling, she was with the so -called great mullah. 164 00:10:35,550 --> 00:10:39,910 She said she was forced to do a lot of things against her will. 165 00:10:41,850 --> 00:10:46,670 Now, these are just stories that I heard. Do I know any truth to them? No, 166 00:10:46,670 --> 00:10:49,210 can't sit here and say I know truth to it or not. 167 00:10:49,870 --> 00:10:54,470 But, you know, when more than one, two, three people saying the same story. 168 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,380 You know, somebody ain't lying. 169 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:04,920 Phillip! 170 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:11,540 Honey, can you walk these guys outside and show them the banister? This is my 171 00:11:11,540 --> 00:11:12,540 husband, Phillip. 172 00:11:15,020 --> 00:11:18,600 Back here. 173 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:19,920 Oh, wow. 174 00:11:20,260 --> 00:11:21,820 Back when Moolah died. 175 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:29,460 My husband, he went over to tear down the barn that the ring was in, and 176 00:11:29,460 --> 00:11:34,600 he found a banister, the women's wrestlers, and he brought it back, 177 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,040 would want, you know, keep it. 178 00:11:37,580 --> 00:11:42,240 For the better part of 25 years, every top girl wrestler was trained by Moolah, 179 00:11:42,300 --> 00:11:45,960 booked out by Moolah, and was controlled by Moolah's group. 180 00:11:46,260 --> 00:11:48,360 Can you tell us who Sweet Georgia Brown was? 181 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,020 Yeah, she was one of the first. 182 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,960 African -American women to wrestle, and my mother trained her. 183 00:11:56,740 --> 00:11:59,260 Believe it or not, it was on a mattress in the living room. 184 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,080 It was unreal, but they learned a lot. 185 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,500 I was told she had that drive to go get it. 186 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,900 You know, it's like she had a purpose. She wanted to be there. 187 00:12:12,020 --> 00:12:16,720 The first time I seen a wrestler play for a jam pack, throwing each other out 188 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,580 the ring, they kicking, body slamming. 189 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:23,420 I just figured, no, this is one tough lady. 190 00:12:23,940 --> 00:12:29,880 Being one of the first black females to get into the wrestling business, the 191 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,220 KKKs was at their fullest. 192 00:12:32,740 --> 00:12:35,340 The segregation was really bad at that time. 193 00:12:35,580 --> 00:12:38,580 Whenever they were on the road, my mother was very protective. 194 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:45,280 There was a time in Mississippi she did have a run -in with some KKKs. She was 195 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:46,780 thrown on the floor of the bar. 196 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,880 And she was scared for her life. 197 00:12:53,020 --> 00:12:58,400 She had to have been super passionate because, see, in 1964, she was ranked 198 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,720 number four in the world. If she would have had the opportunity to fight for 199 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:07,020 world's title, she probably would have won it. But Moolah was most definitely 200 00:13:07,020 --> 00:13:11,080 not going to let a student challenge her for the world's title. 201 00:13:12,700 --> 00:13:14,340 When my mom went... 202 00:13:15,349 --> 00:13:18,410 Into wrestling, she left us with one of her sisters. 203 00:13:19,230 --> 00:13:20,630 She would call us names. 204 00:13:21,090 --> 00:13:22,090 Half -breed. 205 00:13:22,690 --> 00:13:23,730 She was a witch. 206 00:13:24,790 --> 00:13:25,810 God forgive me. 207 00:13:26,010 --> 00:13:27,070 She's dead and gone. 208 00:13:28,330 --> 00:13:32,230 Every time my mother went on the road and she'd come back, just about, she was 209 00:13:32,230 --> 00:13:36,210 pregnant. One of my aunts said that every time you come back home, you come 210 00:13:36,210 --> 00:13:38,750 home with one of these half -white kids, half -breeds. 211 00:13:39,270 --> 00:13:43,810 And we got mistreated, you know, for years growing up because of our color. 212 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,940 I hated where she had left us. 213 00:13:47,700 --> 00:13:49,240 I hated her career. 214 00:13:49,620 --> 00:13:55,240 But then when I got the full story from her, I kind of understood. 215 00:13:57,220 --> 00:14:02,100 There's a lot of abuse with Mola and Buddy Lee. 216 00:14:03,700 --> 00:14:08,020 I saw her one time. This big old car had pulled up. 217 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,500 She was getting out the back of the car. 218 00:14:11,310 --> 00:14:13,630 and it was only for a few hours. 219 00:14:14,690 --> 00:14:20,030 I didn't know the man's name at the time, but he thought it was time to go. 220 00:14:21,070 --> 00:14:27,290 My sister and I, we grabbed hold to her leg, but he kind of like pushed her, and 221 00:14:27,290 --> 00:14:29,410 she hit her head getting into the car. 222 00:14:29,610 --> 00:14:33,890 I don't know if it was intentionally or it was an accident. 223 00:14:34,780 --> 00:14:40,820 My mom said everywhere she went and everything she did was done according 224 00:14:40,820 --> 00:14:43,400 to Buddy Lee and Moolah. 225 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:49,040 I think she thought that it was going to be glamorous and glory, but it turned 226 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,000 out to be something totally different. 227 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,160 I heard different stories about my mother. 228 00:14:56,620 --> 00:15:01,980 It's real things, and I have no reason not to believe that account. 229 00:15:03,050 --> 00:15:06,550 There was one gruesome time that we talked about. 230 00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:11,650 She was told to drink and pop pills. 231 00:15:12,130 --> 00:15:17,810 She was made to have sex with us. 232 00:15:18,170 --> 00:15:23,630 On the road, some of the promoters wouldn't pay some of the girls until 233 00:15:23,630 --> 00:15:24,910 slept with other promoters. 234 00:15:25,130 --> 00:15:29,790 From what my mother told me, he was their favorite. 235 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,540 And you can call it entertaining or whatever. 236 00:15:35,860 --> 00:15:37,840 It's still pimping and prostitution. 237 00:15:40,260 --> 00:15:45,560 Buddy Lee was not a nice person. And my mother was on the road, and she came 238 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,740 home a day early and caught him in her bed with one of the girls that she 239 00:15:49,740 --> 00:15:52,420 trained. And she threw Buddy out. That was it. 240 00:15:53,020 --> 00:15:54,680 A lot of the girls went with him. 241 00:15:55,180 --> 00:15:57,340 Georgia Brown was one of the girls that went with Buddy. 242 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,980 I started to search for my father, and then one of the first places where I 243 00:16:01,980 --> 00:16:03,680 started was with the Fabulous Moolah. 244 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,960 Honestly, I was almost kind of afraid a little bit because I heard of the Moolah 245 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:14,700 that everybody else talked about, but the Moolah that I met, she seemed to be 246 00:16:14,700 --> 00:16:15,700 fine lady. 247 00:16:16,620 --> 00:16:20,000 I asked Moolah, did my mother ever talk about who my father was? 248 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:24,220 Then Moolah took me to her wall, and she pointed out this one picture. 249 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,460 And I said, who is this guy right here in the middle? 250 00:16:28,860 --> 00:16:31,460 She said, well, his name is Buddy Lee. 251 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,300 He was kind of rough on the girls. 252 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:39,340 I think that happened with Sweet Georgia Brown, that she was one that had to go 253 00:16:39,340 --> 00:16:40,340 to bed with Buddy. 254 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,600 And as a matter of fact, I think the son, Michael, is proof of that. 255 00:16:45,860 --> 00:16:48,300 If Buddy Lee's my father, then that's who he is. 256 00:16:48,540 --> 00:16:52,080 I wasn't coming in to look for anything, and I didn't want anything. 257 00:16:52,540 --> 00:16:54,940 I just wanted to close a chapter in my life. 258 00:16:57,130 --> 00:17:04,010 I knew that everything was over when my uncle burned up all 259 00:17:04,010 --> 00:17:10,790 of her stuff, and he poured gas on it, and he set it on fire right 260 00:17:10,790 --> 00:17:11,790 there in front of us. 261 00:17:13,030 --> 00:17:15,130 At the end, she kind of thanked him. 262 00:17:15,550 --> 00:17:21,609 because of the things that she had to endure, the things that she was made to 263 00:17:21,609 --> 00:17:26,329 by Mueller, by Buddy Lee, by the industry itself. 264 00:17:27,770 --> 00:17:34,310 Listening to your mom describe some of the most horrific things she had to do, 265 00:17:34,410 --> 00:17:36,310 you can't just walk away. 266 00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:41,930 Regardless of the abuse she went through, regardless of if they made her 267 00:17:41,930 --> 00:17:44,340 drugs, They made her use alcohol. 268 00:17:44,620 --> 00:17:45,940 Rather, they pimped her. 269 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:50,780 She still was South Carolina's first black female professional wrestler. 270 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:52,640 Honor it. 271 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:59,120 Sweet Georgia Brown's life was shaped by forces beyond her control. 272 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:05,200 For Moolah to succeed, she would need to build her own women's wrestling empire. 273 00:18:10,540 --> 00:18:14,360 The fabulous Moolah single -handedly built her women's training school into a 274 00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:16,660 powerhouse that dominated the industry. 275 00:18:16,940 --> 00:18:20,360 It attracted young women eager to follow in her footsteps. 276 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,760 In Columbia, South Carolina, there was a location called Moolah Drive. 277 00:18:25,180 --> 00:18:31,020 And on Moolah Drive was the house that Moolah built and also a variety of other 278 00:18:31,020 --> 00:18:32,320 buildings. It was a compound. 279 00:18:32,700 --> 00:18:37,200 The women not only trained there, but they lived on the property, and Moolah 280 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,780 presided over it like a mother lion. 281 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:46,140 She took girls from all walks of life, and she brought them in. She taught them 282 00:18:46,140 --> 00:18:46,999 a skill. 283 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:52,080 She put it together like a group or a union and took care of the girls and 284 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:53,340 sure they were taken care of. 285 00:18:53,780 --> 00:18:58,600 She was one of the most powerful women in the wrestling business. If you were a 286 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,480 female wrestler at that point and you wanted to get booked, you pretty much 287 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,920 to go through moolah or you weren't going to work. 288 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:08,980 I have a bunch of questions. 289 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:10,240 Okay. 290 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,640 I took my truth serum before I came in. 291 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:20,100 My name is Wendy Richter. Wendy Richter! I was a professional wrestler for over 292 00:19:20,100 --> 00:19:21,100 20 years. 293 00:19:21,460 --> 00:19:27,280 The first time I ever watched a wrestling match, I watched the fabulous 294 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:28,780 versus Vivian St. John. 295 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,280 And I told my friend, I could beat Moolah. 296 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:38,560 The referee gave me Moolah's phone number. She told me to come on to 297 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:39,600 South Carolina. 298 00:19:39,980 --> 00:19:41,360 I was there within two weeks. 299 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,620 My name is Victoria Otis. I wrestled with Princess Victoria. 300 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:53,300 I come from a very, very abusive childhood. 301 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,500 And that's basically what took me to wrestling. 302 00:19:56,740 --> 00:19:58,220 You had to want it. 303 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,660 You had to bleed. You had to cry. 304 00:20:01,580 --> 00:20:06,060 When I was wrestling, and it had been about a year, and I was told by my 305 00:20:06,060 --> 00:20:08,900 promoter, look, I've done all I can do. 306 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,000 I've tried to get you booked other places. The only way I can get you 307 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,000 I've got to send you to Moolah. 308 00:20:14,980 --> 00:20:18,880 I still remember a friend of mine telling me, Vicki, don't go to Moolah. 309 00:20:20,020 --> 00:20:23,220 Find a job, get on your feet, just don't go to Moolah. 310 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:24,840 I was warned. 311 00:20:25,780 --> 00:20:27,740 But I wanted to wrestle so bad. 312 00:20:30,740 --> 00:20:34,780 When you first got to the property, there's these big gates. 313 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,280 After dark, the gates were locked. 314 00:20:37,850 --> 00:20:41,610 If you weren't home and you weren't working, you got locked out. 315 00:20:43,210 --> 00:20:47,790 Moolah had a roommate named Diamond Lil, and we all called her Katie. 316 00:20:48,590 --> 00:20:50,970 And I really liked Katie. 317 00:20:51,310 --> 00:20:55,710 My name is Diamond Lil, and Buddy Lee named me Diamond Lil. 318 00:20:56,630 --> 00:21:00,850 Katie come from a hard background, too. She was a wrestler, and she lived in the 319 00:21:00,850 --> 00:21:03,050 house with Moolah, and she called her Ma. 320 00:21:03,810 --> 00:21:06,850 And she's been right there with my mother through thick and thin. 321 00:21:08,679 --> 00:21:11,840 Katie liked to drink beer, but she wasn't allowed to. 322 00:21:13,420 --> 00:21:16,600 Katie used to come out to the pond and go fishing, and I'd come in there and 323 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,640 drop a six -pack in the pond, and her and I'd sit there and drink beer. 324 00:21:21,220 --> 00:21:23,280 I was famous for getting the beer on the property. 325 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:31,160 They had apartments, and she would put two or three girls in there at a time, 326 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,860 and they would come down to the gym every morning. 327 00:21:35,470 --> 00:21:42,290 What I remember the most about my training at MOLA's was learning to drop 328 00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:49,430 I would go out there and drop kick and drop kick and drop kick and just land on 329 00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:50,750 the mat. The mat wasn't soft. 330 00:21:51,210 --> 00:21:54,690 It was all bloody. And by that time, a lot of it was mine. 331 00:21:56,110 --> 00:22:01,370 There were buckets strategically placed. And it wasn't if you were going to 332 00:22:01,370 --> 00:22:02,269 throw up. 333 00:22:02,270 --> 00:22:05,810 It was when you were going to throw up and would you hit the bucket. 334 00:22:06,410 --> 00:22:11,810 One thing that Moolah taught me, take a bite and growl. 335 00:22:14,810 --> 00:22:21,010 Moolah, she never trained me. She just took the money and she had the girl 336 00:22:21,010 --> 00:22:22,010 me. 337 00:22:22,810 --> 00:22:25,670 She wanted her $300. Now, can you imagine? 338 00:22:26,300 --> 00:22:33,160 Four girls in one little house, she's getting $1 ,200 a month in 339 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,160 the 80s? 340 00:22:34,820 --> 00:22:39,760 And on top of that, she's taking 25 % off of what she's telling us we're paid. 341 00:22:42,460 --> 00:22:47,780 Bullpucky. I'm sitting here 24 hours a day making you connections with the 342 00:22:47,780 --> 00:22:52,320 promoters. All you got to do is set your lazy butt in the car and go to Russell 343 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,220 and collect their money and send me 25%. 344 00:22:56,490 --> 00:22:58,850 And I thought that was fair. 345 00:23:01,890 --> 00:23:07,630 There is a picture of me in this brown outfit that Moolah presented to me at 346 00:23:07,630 --> 00:23:14,090 Christmas in front of all the girls after she had given all of them a $5 or 347 00:23:14,090 --> 00:23:15,090 $10 gift. 348 00:23:15,550 --> 00:23:17,130 That was no cheap outfit. 349 00:23:17,410 --> 00:23:20,570 That was hand -beated. That was a $200 to $300 outfit. 350 00:23:21,580 --> 00:23:25,700 She couldn't take me in privately and give me this outfit. She had to do it in 351 00:23:25,700 --> 00:23:29,520 front of the girls. That was another one of her little manipulation things. 352 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,020 Everything brings back memories now. 353 00:23:33,460 --> 00:23:36,000 And it's like the floodgates get opened. 354 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:42,140 I was in a match. I know it was the first or second week in September 1984. 355 00:23:43,380 --> 00:23:44,500 A girl. 356 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:46,560 Shut up! 357 00:23:54,250 --> 00:24:01,250 The night I broke my neck in the ring, a girl stumbled and sat on 358 00:24:01,250 --> 00:24:02,250 my head. 359 00:24:04,030 --> 00:24:07,330 That was the day my world fell apart. 360 00:24:09,290 --> 00:24:11,170 It hurt so bad I couldn't stand it. 361 00:24:12,190 --> 00:24:14,250 I remember a moment at the hospital. 362 00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:16,730 They had my neck braced. 363 00:24:17,250 --> 00:24:19,630 I remember being on a cot. 364 00:24:20,629 --> 00:24:25,430 Then the next thing I remember, I don't know how, but I'm back at Moola's 365 00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:28,910 property, and Moola's walking me out to the range. I want to see if you can take 366 00:24:28,910 --> 00:24:29,829 a bump. 367 00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:32,330 I took a bump, and I cried. 368 00:24:32,810 --> 00:24:36,670 Every time I took a bump, I felt like something was exploding. 369 00:24:37,770 --> 00:24:40,310 This went on for a month, two months. 370 00:24:41,030 --> 00:24:42,330 Moo comes to me one day. 371 00:24:42,670 --> 00:24:46,870 She said, hon, if you go see this guy in Holland, he'll give you a payday. 372 00:24:47,310 --> 00:24:49,230 I thought to myself, I can't wrestle. 373 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:50,559 Might as well. 374 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:55,380 I get on the phone with this guy, and I make it explicitly clear. 375 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,500 It's a separate motel room. 376 00:24:58,780 --> 00:25:04,720 The conversation after I hung up from him with Moo was, you know, hon, the 377 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,840 you are to him, the bigger your payday will be. 378 00:25:08,180 --> 00:25:10,400 And you could really use a payday. 379 00:25:10,700 --> 00:25:15,220 And so was Moolah sort of insinuating, like, the idea that... When Moolah 380 00:25:15,220 --> 00:25:22,010 at me and said, You know, the nicer you are to him, the nicer he'll be 381 00:25:22,010 --> 00:25:23,010 to you. 382 00:25:24,090 --> 00:25:25,190 What else can I say? 383 00:25:26,830 --> 00:25:31,110 When this guy first picked me up at the airport, I said, damn, this guy didn't 384 00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:33,930 get beat by the ugly stick. He got beat by the whole damn forest. 385 00:25:35,530 --> 00:25:40,590 I wake up the next morning. I catch him right here, and I grab his hand, and I'm 386 00:25:40,590 --> 00:25:41,590 holding it. 387 00:25:41,850 --> 00:25:44,570 I said, dude, I will break your wrist. 388 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,880 And she was fire engine red pissed when I got back. 389 00:25:52,460 --> 00:25:54,800 I can't believe she didn't sleep with him. 390 00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:00,180 Well, not a week after I got back is when Moo came to me and said, look, you 391 00:26:00,180 --> 00:26:01,840 can't wrestle and I need my ransom. 392 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,860 I'll take that yellow outfit. I'll take the brown outfit that she gave me for 393 00:26:05,860 --> 00:26:06,860 Christmas. 394 00:26:07,140 --> 00:26:12,460 I left the property that day with my Chevy Malibu station wagon and 20 bucks 395 00:26:12,460 --> 00:26:13,259 my pocket. 396 00:26:13,260 --> 00:26:14,540 She dumped me. 397 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,800 And I never wrestled again. 398 00:26:18,540 --> 00:26:23,080 When I walked away 30 years ago, my heart was broke. 399 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,240 I can't even explain it. 400 00:26:27,460 --> 00:26:28,780 I missed the road. 401 00:26:29,420 --> 00:26:31,680 I missed my friends. I missed my family. 402 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:39,060 And when I left, do you know what told the girls? She told them I was in prison 403 00:26:39,060 --> 00:26:40,220 for dealing cocaine. 404 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:45,380 For God's sake, she couldn't tell them that I broke my neck and I was of no use 405 00:26:45,380 --> 00:26:46,380 to her anymore. 406 00:26:46,740 --> 00:26:49,600 So I had to go because then they knew their fate. 407 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,460 I love wrestling. 408 00:26:58,140 --> 00:27:02,520 To protect this business, to me, is like protecting the country. 409 00:27:03,690 --> 00:27:07,290 If wrestling needed me, I'd do it in a heartbeat. 410 00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:10,850 All someone has to do is ask. 411 00:27:11,710 --> 00:27:18,530 Moolah! As wrestling gained popularity in the early 1980s, the WWF looked to 412 00:27:18,530 --> 00:27:20,750 replenish its roster with younger wrestlers. 413 00:27:21,470 --> 00:27:25,230 Moolah's protege, Wendy Richter, was an obvious choice. 414 00:27:27,530 --> 00:27:28,710 Wendy Richter. 415 00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:30,610 Hell of a person. 416 00:27:31,610 --> 00:27:32,830 Hell of a lady. 417 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:40,380 She loved her business. She honed her skills. She worked very hard to become 418 00:27:40,380 --> 00:27:41,380 wrestler she was. 419 00:27:42,260 --> 00:27:45,820 Do you have an assumption as to why there was so much friction between you 420 00:27:45,820 --> 00:27:50,640 Lola? The only thing I can think of why there was so much friction is possibly 421 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,480 she was jealous of me because I was younger than her. 422 00:27:54,060 --> 00:27:58,840 And like my father said, they couldn't put her face on a can of dog food to 423 00:27:58,840 --> 00:27:59,840 it. 424 00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:05,280 Wendy Richter began to eclipse her mentor, and she left Moolah's stable to 425 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,280 Vince McMahon. 426 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:12,340 When I left Moolah's, I had a conversation with Vince McMahon and told 427 00:28:12,340 --> 00:28:17,240 I didn't want to live there anymore, and I did not want my check going to her. 428 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:23,360 I wanted the check to come to me, so I knew what I was making. 429 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,540 As soon as Vince took over from his father, he started making changes. 430 00:28:29,150 --> 00:28:34,850 One advantage that he had was that a lot of celebrities had grown up in the New 431 00:28:34,850 --> 00:28:39,450 York area as fans of wrestling. And one of those was Cyndi Lauper. 432 00:28:44,150 --> 00:28:48,610 Cyndi Lauper was on an airplane flight with Lou Albano. 433 00:28:49,010 --> 00:28:54,270 And then Lou Albano tells everyone that he was managing Cyndi Lauper. 434 00:28:54,890 --> 00:28:58,710 I created and made Cindy Lauper. Took her from the nothing. 435 00:28:59,050 --> 00:29:02,990 I don't know if anybody knows it, but when she did Girls Just Want to Have 436 00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:04,430 he was in it. 437 00:29:04,970 --> 00:29:06,750 That's how all of this came together. 438 00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:11,970 It all boiled down to that Lou Albano said, I'm going to choose someone to 439 00:29:11,970 --> 00:29:17,730 represent me in the ring. So Lou Albano chose Fabulous Moolah. And 440 00:29:17,730 --> 00:29:20,590 Cindy Lauper chose me. 441 00:29:21,770 --> 00:29:25,750 the world's championship belt, but she also has Lou Albano on her side. 442 00:29:26,170 --> 00:29:32,690 As soon as Cyndi Lauper got involved with Lou Albano, Vince McMahon saw gold 443 00:29:32,690 --> 00:29:36,190 fostered that connection into the rock and wrestling connection. 444 00:29:38,490 --> 00:29:42,710 The wrestlers giving their hand at it, they have been involved with rock and 445 00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:43,710 roll in the past year. 446 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,860 It brought the dated look of wrestling into the mainstream. 447 00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:52,600 Wendy Richter morphed from the Dallas Cowgirl to Wendy Richter, a little bit 448 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,940 more Cyndi Lauper -ish, a little more rock and roll, and that's what led the 449 00:29:56,940 --> 00:29:59,980 movement there in 1984 that pretty much paved the way for the first 450 00:29:59,980 --> 00:30:04,320 WrestleMania. They were giving girls more of a push than they probably ever 451 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:09,540 before. They were really trying to escalate the girls up, trying to get 452 00:30:09,540 --> 00:30:10,540 the men. 453 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,960 It was the turning point for women's wrestling. 454 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,760 Vince wanted to make Wendy Richter the equivalent as Hulk Hogan would be, so he 455 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:22,200 had a male role model and a female role model. Since the most widely recognized 456 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,000 female champion of the previous 30 years had been the fabulous Moolah, Wendy 457 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,480 needed to beat Moolah for the title. 458 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,020 Well, with that in mind, ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to introduce to you 459 00:30:31,020 --> 00:30:34,480 number one contender for the ladies' championship, Miss Wendy Richter. 460 00:30:35,220 --> 00:30:36,760 And the rest is history. 461 00:30:37,740 --> 00:30:41,400 Ladies and gentlemen, this title belt will be on the line at Madison Square 462 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,340 Garden just moments from now. This lady to the fan. 463 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,160 Their rivalry was about to explode in what would become one of the most 464 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,900 matches of all time. 465 00:30:51,300 --> 00:30:58,020 That was probably the most nervous I've ever been in my life. I knew every move 466 00:30:58,020 --> 00:30:59,020 mattered. 467 00:30:59,540 --> 00:31:04,620 There was so much at stake, and it was against Moolah. It was the culmination 468 00:31:04,620 --> 00:31:05,620 my whole career. 469 00:31:06,290 --> 00:31:10,830 Moolah had been very jealous and guarded of that championship for a long time, 470 00:31:10,930 --> 00:31:15,450 but Vince was able to write the appropriate amount of money on a check 471 00:31:15,450 --> 00:31:22,210 changed Moolah's mind. And also, by doing that, Moolah got Vince McMahon 472 00:31:22,210 --> 00:31:23,210 loyalty for life. 473 00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:24,930 One, two. 474 00:31:27,550 --> 00:31:29,810 That's when everything changed. 475 00:31:41,889 --> 00:31:46,450 When I won the championship, it was a feeling like no other. 476 00:31:47,250 --> 00:31:50,090 Everyone was up on their feet and screaming. 477 00:31:51,470 --> 00:31:56,670 I can't believe someone beat her after 28 years, and that someone was me. 478 00:31:57,420 --> 00:32:00,820 It was a big deal for the fans because they wanted to see Wendy win, right? But 479 00:32:00,820 --> 00:32:04,920 it was a bigger deal inside the business because two generations of wrestlers 480 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,380 had come and gone without ever seeing the fabulous Moolah lose. 481 00:32:08,660 --> 00:32:12,760 It was shocking to the folks in the business who knew about the stranglehold 482 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,500 that Moolah had had on the thing. 483 00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:18,800 Right here is the new champ, the terrific symbol of the new woman. 484 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:24,020 My match against Moolah for the championship was kind of ground zero for 485 00:32:24,020 --> 00:32:25,020 wrestling. 486 00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:29,220 It moved towards a different level of women's wrestling. 487 00:32:29,660 --> 00:32:36,460 See, what a lot of people don't understand is once you step in that 488 00:32:36,460 --> 00:32:37,460 addicted. 489 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:44,500 I think Moolah let her ego get in her way, and Moolah 490 00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:45,500 couldn't quit. 491 00:32:56,390 --> 00:32:59,730 Oh, my. We were on the top of a skyscraper. 492 00:33:00,590 --> 00:33:04,430 I remember I was hot. I was hungry. I was thirsty. 493 00:33:05,070 --> 00:33:07,190 And it felt like the day would never end. 494 00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:14,730 When I went to visit my father and my grandmother in Kokomo, Indiana, people 495 00:33:14,730 --> 00:33:18,170 recognized me. I'm thinking, they know me in Kokomo. 496 00:33:18,450 --> 00:33:22,150 Even though Wendy was a household name, Wendy wasn't getting paid like a 497 00:33:22,150 --> 00:33:23,230 household name, though. 498 00:33:24,910 --> 00:33:29,790 I found out early in my career that the men were being paid far more than the 499 00:33:29,790 --> 00:33:34,970 women. But if I'm the only one saying that, one person can be replaced. 500 00:33:36,190 --> 00:33:41,090 Vince McMahon had been pushing Wendy Richter, going to make her a superstar. 501 00:33:41,090 --> 00:33:45,150 possibly was getting too big for her britches. He decided that she needed to 502 00:33:45,150 --> 00:33:47,670 lose the belt, and who's going to beat her for the belt? 503 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:54,420 I was on the road constantly, but it was always matches against Moolah over and 504 00:33:54,420 --> 00:33:55,420 over. 505 00:33:55,780 --> 00:34:01,980 I'll never forget one time she got me in a move, the Boston Crab. With that, you 506 00:34:01,980 --> 00:34:04,760 never go all the way back because you could break someone's back. 507 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:06,560 Well, she did. 508 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,900 She tried to break my back. 509 00:34:09,699 --> 00:34:11,400 She wanted to put me out. 510 00:34:12,060 --> 00:34:16,739 My spine snapped like firecrackers. She was just so bitter. 511 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,679 I really believe in the golden rule, treat others as you'd like to be 512 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,139 But sometimes you've got to treat fire with fire. 513 00:34:24,739 --> 00:34:28,100 And in the ring, when that bell rang, you had no friends. 514 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:36,679 When I was to wrestle the Spider Lady for a championship match, it changed my 515 00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:37,679 career. 516 00:34:38,260 --> 00:34:39,860 It changed my life. 517 00:34:42,380 --> 00:34:45,920 I really didn't think anything of it. I thought, well, it's just another 518 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:46,920 championship match. 519 00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:49,620 and it's against the Spider Lady. 520 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,420 Wendy said that Moolah had showed up. 521 00:34:55,659 --> 00:34:57,740 She didn't understand why Moolah was there. 522 00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:04,980 I've wrestled a Spider Lady before, and I didn't recall her being that thought. 523 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:10,200 A very determined young lady is going to take one heck of a wrestler to be able 524 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,580 to strip that title from her. 525 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,160 The match really didn't go that good. 526 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,940 It was just a wrestling halt. 527 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,920 Spider going, oh, small package. 528 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,200 The referee counted one. 529 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,320 I kicked out, had my shoulder up. 530 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:30,920 Two, three. 531 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,120 And that was it. 532 00:35:37,140 --> 00:35:38,140 What was that? 533 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,120 Appears that the referee has made a three count. 534 00:35:42,620 --> 00:35:43,960 The match was over. 535 00:35:46,140 --> 00:35:47,140 Then. 536 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,880 The masked person took their mask off. 537 00:35:53,060 --> 00:35:54,380 And it was Moolah. 538 00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:56,860 It is Moolah. 539 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,480 It is Moolah. Take a look. Fabulous Moolah, the oldest, saltiest dog in the 540 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:04,620 yard, knows all the tricks. 541 00:36:04,820 --> 00:36:08,880 She was the one that was chosen because it was thought that if things did break 542 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,760 down, that she can handle Wendy legitimately anyway. 543 00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:16,620 Did you have any idea that that was Moolah? Did it match at all? No. 544 00:36:16,940 --> 00:36:19,020 I couldn't tell who it was. 545 00:36:21,740 --> 00:36:23,720 It was obvious who was under that mat. 546 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,780 Everybody in the arena knew who was under that mat. 547 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:28,960 Wendy knew. 548 00:36:29,660 --> 00:36:33,440 This double -cross blurred the lines between business and storyline. 549 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,480 Whatever the truth was, Wendy came out the loser. 550 00:36:38,220 --> 00:36:43,180 I demanded to talk to Vince McMahon, and no one would tell me where he was. 551 00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:47,170 I probably would have killed him with my bare hands. 552 00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:50,130 What Vinny and Moo did to her? 553 00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:56,570 Wendy was over like a million dollars at that time. Her and Cindy Lauper and the 554 00:36:56,570 --> 00:36:59,090 cartoon, the Goonies. 555 00:36:59,830 --> 00:37:03,690 You know, Wendy was over as big as Hogan, and maybe that was the problem. 556 00:37:04,350 --> 00:37:10,910 The only thing I can think of is I was asking to be paid fairly. 557 00:37:11,980 --> 00:37:17,680 I feel like it was a sad situation that happened because the girls should be 558 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:23,060 paid maybe more than they were at the time. But when a promoter tells you 559 00:37:23,060 --> 00:37:27,500 going to win or lose, you have to go with the one who's running the show, 560 00:37:27,660 --> 00:37:28,900 whether you like it or not. 561 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,140 That was her choice to walk away from it. 562 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:37,000 If everything had worked with Wendy, there would have been an established... 563 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:43,240 women's division with women featured in more important matches a lot before it 564 00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:44,138 actually happened. 565 00:37:44,140 --> 00:37:50,480 I was angry for what she just did to women's wrestling. For so long, she held 566 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:56,480 back, she held it back, she held it back. Then finally, it started to bloom, 567 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:57,580 she killed it. 568 00:37:57,820 --> 00:37:59,180 I think Lula was afraid. 569 00:37:59,540 --> 00:38:02,580 I think she was afraid of walking away. 570 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:10,240 I left the arena fully dressed in my wrestling suit, hailed a cab in New York 571 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:12,360 City, and went to the airport. 572 00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:15,100 They were dead in my life. 573 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:16,720 They were dead. 574 00:38:20,820 --> 00:38:23,000 Have you ever seen the footage of the mass? 575 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,720 I almost did. I couldn't bear to see it. 576 00:38:28,110 --> 00:38:33,310 What good would it do? The bitch is dead, okay? I don't need to see it. I 577 00:38:33,310 --> 00:38:34,310 there. 578 00:38:41,110 --> 00:38:47,350 At 1995, the Fabulous Moon became the first woman inducted into the WWF 579 00:38:47,350 --> 00:38:48,910 Wrestling Hall of Fame. 580 00:38:49,870 --> 00:38:53,730 Tonight is the greatest night of my life. 581 00:38:54,670 --> 00:38:58,310 being inducted into the WWF Hall of Fame. 582 00:38:58,530 --> 00:39:03,930 By the year 2000, the WWF had phased out traditional women's athletic wrestling 583 00:39:03,930 --> 00:39:07,770 in favor of strip matches and comedy storylines. 584 00:39:08,050 --> 00:39:10,630 But Moolah showed no sign of slowing down. 585 00:39:10,970 --> 00:39:14,190 She teamed up with fellow wrestling legend Mae Young. 586 00:39:15,210 --> 00:39:17,430 Mae Young wrestled the seven different decades. 587 00:39:17,830 --> 00:39:19,430 She was tougher than Moolah. 588 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,020 And that's saying something. 589 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:26,320 Years ago, they had to put up a chicken wire fence up over the ring because they 590 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,420 hated me so bad. 591 00:39:28,060 --> 00:39:32,840 It's insane that more people saw Moolah and Maeve in the late 90s and early 592 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,340 2000s when they were both everybody's grandmother. 593 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,980 Maybe the Adams family's grandmother. 594 00:39:38,340 --> 00:39:42,200 I have to be real careful with her. Everywhere I go, she either wants to get 595 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,360 drunk or naked. This would be the place, I guess. 596 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,920 And then, of course, they go out on TV and they can take the tremendous... 597 00:39:49,180 --> 00:39:53,640 bumps and incredible falls and still somehow not break into a million pieces. 598 00:39:54,620 --> 00:39:58,440 She should have stopped in her 60s, but she couldn't. 599 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:04,540 I mean, my God, she was 80 years old wearing a checkered schoolgirl outfit. 600 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,740 No, no, stop. 601 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,640 Stop. Stop it. 602 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:11,520 Stop. 603 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,320 Shh. 604 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,860 I get the last word, not you. 605 00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:17,280 Be a good boy. 606 00:40:21,710 --> 00:40:22,810 What was her funeral like? 607 00:40:23,370 --> 00:40:27,470 It was crowded, and I don't, I tell you the truth, I don't know. I was just in a 608 00:40:27,470 --> 00:40:28,470 daze the whole time. 609 00:40:29,070 --> 00:40:30,710 I didn't even know that he was there. 610 00:40:32,110 --> 00:40:35,070 I just remember thinking that it was the end of an era. 611 00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:40,810 In 2007, Moolah passed away at the age of 84. 612 00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:45,490 The wrestling family showed up in large numbers to pay their respects. 613 00:40:46,250 --> 00:40:47,570 This is where she's buried. 614 00:40:48,070 --> 00:40:49,290 This is hers here. 615 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,140 And this is Katie's, and this was Johnny Mae's here. 616 00:40:53,660 --> 00:40:56,820 She had that little thing put there. She said, when you want to come talk to me, 617 00:40:56,900 --> 00:40:59,520 there's a bench in there. You won't get wet if it's raining. 618 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,040 She was all I had. 619 00:41:05,580 --> 00:41:07,760 And I miss her every day. 620 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:13,060 No one can ever, can ever be as good as she was. 621 00:41:13,260 --> 00:41:14,260 Never. 622 00:41:15,470 --> 00:41:19,390 Women's wrestling today has undergone a renaissance I don't think would have 623 00:41:19,390 --> 00:41:23,270 been possible without the rise of women in mixed martial arts, and specifically 624 00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:29,810 Ronda Rousey. Now it's so much more refined. It wasn't that way in Moolah's 625 00:41:29,810 --> 00:41:32,350 because that wasn't her strong point. 626 00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:38,170 Ten years after Moolah's death, her impact on wrestling remains 627 00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:42,850 Well, I think in wrestling there... 628 00:41:43,180 --> 00:41:46,320 is blurred lines between your character and who you really are. 629 00:41:47,020 --> 00:41:52,780 I believe that the fans couldn't tell the difference between Moolah and the 630 00:41:52,780 --> 00:41:54,060 character she was playing. 631 00:41:54,760 --> 00:42:01,260 Nobody really knows how it hurts you to hear that, that you worked for somebody 632 00:42:01,260 --> 00:42:03,480 and they pimped you out, so you get what you did. 633 00:42:03,820 --> 00:42:09,880 She had never once ever drugged any of us. It just really... 634 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:15,660 Pisses me off that they're taking away the legacy of the fabulous Moolah. 635 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:21,580 I mean, I'll be honest with you. Bambi was never a famous wrestler. But if 636 00:42:21,580 --> 00:42:26,760 there's one thing that I could do, it would be to save Moolah's name and 637 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:31,080 and restore what she gave to the professional wrestling business. 638 00:42:32,540 --> 00:42:38,320 Moolah may have initially opened doors, but she quickly closed the door. 639 00:42:38,910 --> 00:42:42,830 She held women's wrestling back probably for 40 years. 640 00:42:43,790 --> 00:42:49,390 If Moolah had left Wendy with the belt, I think women's wrestling would have 641 00:42:49,390 --> 00:42:50,390 skyrocketed. 642 00:42:51,630 --> 00:42:53,830 She wasn't as big a star as Mildred Burke. 643 00:42:54,070 --> 00:42:57,850 She's not as big a star as Ronda Rousey, but she was the placeholder for 30 644 00:42:57,850 --> 00:42:58,850 years. 645 00:42:58,950 --> 00:43:01,590 How do you think people should remember Moolah? 646 00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:04,030 Any way they like. 647 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:09,940 Everybody have their own opinion, and me personally, I don't have an opinion of 648 00:43:09,940 --> 00:43:10,940 Moolah. 649 00:43:11,540 --> 00:43:12,920 Nothing that I care to share. 650 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:19,020 If I choose not to like her because of what she did to me, that's fine. 651 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,560 But Moolah needs to be remembered. 652 00:43:22,020 --> 00:43:23,820 She was an icon in this business. 653 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,920 You can't take away her history just because she's an asshole. 654 00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:32,020 All the girls that she tried, remember her. 655 00:43:32,590 --> 00:43:37,230 and they know that they wouldn't be where they are now without her, and they 656 00:43:37,230 --> 00:43:39,450 wouldn't have had the career they had without her. 657 00:43:40,170 --> 00:43:44,690 Whoever's starting these rumors, you're not just calling Moolah a pimp. 658 00:43:45,450 --> 00:43:47,050 You're calling me a prostitute. 659 00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:49,150 And that hurts. 660 00:43:50,930 --> 00:43:57,490 And if you were not on that property, if you were not in that room, you don't 661 00:43:57,490 --> 00:43:59,550 know what happened, and you need to shut up. 56731

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