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Now, I understand you had a rough match
last night. You wrestled a lady and she
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got 14 stitches.
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Yeah, well, if that's what it takes to
try to win, that's what I'll do.
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You can't say women's wrestling without
thinking the fabulous Lula. If she had
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not run the women's wrestling business,
there may not have been women's
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wrestling. Introducing first to my
right, former world's women's champion,
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fabulous Lula.
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As Lula the promoter.
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I want to make money for my talent.
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I want to make money for Moolah.
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Even to this day, if you say women's
wrestling, the picture of Moolah
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appears in my mind.
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If Moolah was alive today, I'd probably
slap her.
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She was so jealous of any woman that was
younger than her in wrestling.
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She was also a manipulator, and she was
also a thief.
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She wanted to hurt me.
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There was drugs.
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There was sex.
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There was a lot of abuse.
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I'm like, wow, they waited until she
passed away to say all these things so
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couldn't stand up and defend herself.
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I was warned, but I wanted to wrestle so
bad.
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She gave her whole life to professional
wrestling.
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She gave all these girls an opportunity.
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And for nobody to stand up for, I don't
know, couldn't deal with it. She was
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a great professional wrestler.
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But she didn't know when to stop.
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On this episode, the life, legend, and
controversy of the fabulous Moolah.
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And it's Fabulous Moolah with a WWF
Women's title on the line here. She made
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of her costumes herself.
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Anything flashy she loved.
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She was just that kind of person. It
really never impressed me that much
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to me she was just my mother and I
didn't really realize how popular she
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My name is Mary Austin and I'm the only
child of the Fabulous Moolah.
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My mother kind of kept me out of the
spotlight, but she loved the spotlight.
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She was determined to do it.
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When you really love something, you put
yourself into it, and she had all of
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herself into it. This is one Mary let me
have.
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As you can see how beautiful it is,
sparkly, just like Moolah liked it. Oh,
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yeah.
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My name is Selena Majors.
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I wrestled as Bambi.
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Started in 1986, so I've been in it for
32 years.
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I wanted my name as a kid to be Dynamite
Dixie Majors. So I've got these big
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posters that would say, The Fabulous
Moolah Champion vs.
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Dynamite Dixie Majors.
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I had this lifestyle doll.
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And I'd take that doll and I would body
slam it and climb up on the bed and drop
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an elbow.
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I'd stand in front of the mirror with my
hair brushed, do little interviews and
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tell Moolah how I was going to come and
wrestle her.
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As you can tell, I like the bad guys,
the heels.
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She was a heel. She played that part.
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My name is the fabulous Moolah. I've
been wrestling since I was 15 years old,
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and I am the world's champion lady
wrestler.
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They hated her, but that's what she
wanted.
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Oh,
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I'd fix up a little spoon handle, you
know, about the size of your finger,
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it up with tape, and put it down in my
bra.
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The meaner she was, the more they liked
it, you know, and she loved being a
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heel. They get in the eyes and the
throat.
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The Fabulous Moolah started as a female
wrestler, and then she became the female
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wrestling champion, and then she became
the booker of all the girl wrestlers.
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I first broke into wrestling as a
photographer. I was a 15 -year -old kid,
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was doing all of the photography that
was sold in the arenas for the entire
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Memphis wrestling territory.
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Moolah, can I get a couple of pictures
for the magazines?
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Always say for the magazines, right?
Well, of course you can, darling. And
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had her stock poses, boom, boom, boom,
in 30 seconds, and she's off to the
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Moolah pioneered the hair -pulling, cat
-fighting, scratching, crowd -pleasing
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kind of women's wrestling.
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She broke glass ceilings one after
another.
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She got into wrestling when there was no
women in wrestling.
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Women's wrestling was actually banned in
Madison Square Garden, and Moolah was
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the one that was chosen to break the
ban.
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She was the featured girl in the first
girls' match in the Garden.
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Now that she's almost 60, she's on MTV.
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It's 1984, the rock and wrestling
connection, Cyndi Lauper, and that whole
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of network TV and Madison Square Garden
and MTV and rock and roll stars.
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And this place is ready to explode
tonight.
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got so much national attention that NBC
and everybody else started looking at
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pro wrestling. She made it from the mid
-50s to the dawn of MTV for the biggest
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payoff she ever made. There she is, the
fabulous one, the fabulous Moolah,
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putting her title on the line.
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There'll never be anyone to have the
guts that she had.
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This must have been really old.
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Look at that, look at her hair.
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This is a wrestling license.
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Her mom passed away when she was about
nine, I think.
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And then it was her dad and her brothers
that raised her. So she learned how to
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fight real early.
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It was rough for her. I was an only
child, and she was just a teenager.
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She went to wrestling matches every
week.
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And my mother saw Mildred Burke, and she
said, that's what I want to be.
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It's Mildred Burke of Los Angeles,
California, world champion.
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Back in the 30s and 40s, Mildred Burke
was such a legitimate athlete. She was
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tremendous shape, and she just had a
natural flair for wrestling. But behind
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scenes, Billy Wolf, Mildred Burke's
husband, was pulling the strings and
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the whole women's troupe for good and
bad.
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When she was 17 or 18, she went to see
Billy Wolf.
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When you became a wrestler for Billy
Wolf, you automatically had to go to bed
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with him.
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She said she wasn't doing it.
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She could find some other way to wrestle
without.
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having to go to bed with him or anyone
else what's the worst experience you you
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might want to say that like you ever had
with a promoter that's kind of hard to
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talk about really the fabulous mulai at
one point was married to a guy named
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buddy lee buddy lee used to wrestle of
course they met and they sort of fell
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each other and she did most of the
wrestling and he did most of the booking
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basically copied the mildred burke and
Billy Wolf playbook, they kept their own
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stable, they took all the bookings, and
more importantly, a booking fee out of
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all of the girls' pay.
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You knew right off the bat why she got
in the business and why she wanted to be
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a star.
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She loved money.
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Moolah would play such a dominant role
in women's wrestling that in 2018, 11
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years after her death, her memory still
loomed over the sport.
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The WWE made the announcement on March
the 12th that they were going to honor
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the Fabulous Moolah by having the
Fabulous Moolah Memorial Battle Royal.
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I thought it was very nice that they
would name it after her, keeping her
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going.
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Two or three days later, that had all
been taken away.
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Let's talk about the Fabulous Moolah
controversy.
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I think it's a bunch of bull.
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I really think it's a bunch of bull.
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Moolah has an awful past.
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Some really, really sick shit.
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She was an evil person. Moolah was
pimping girls out. A lot of this stuff
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alleged. We've got to say that.
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Alleged. Grossed out about it. Name it
something else. It's not hard. Crap it.
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Stories started coming out on the
internet.
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Fabulous Moolah suddenly was a horrible
person who took advantage of all these
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women and pimped them out and fed them
drugs and all this stuff. They contacted
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the sponsors and they had to take her
name off.
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I was very shocked because I knew
better. I knew none of that was true.
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And thanks to Nigel, he took the lead
way on it.
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My name is Nigel Sherritt. I'm mostly
known as a wrestling hogan.
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The Fight for Moolah campaign came about
because we started a petition to put
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the truth out there and to honor the
woman who broke down the walls for
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everybody else.
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I just wanted to clear a name because
Moolah's not here to defend herself.
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Did Moolah indeed take advantage of the
girls? Some of the girls have said yes,
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some of the girls have said no.
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I think that it was ignorant, canceling
the Fabulous Moolah Memorial Battle
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Royal, because I interviewed over 20
women, and they all said the same thing.
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No truth to those rumors.
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Accusations about Moolah polarized the
wrestling world.
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They originated from an investigative
newspaper story that quoted serious
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allegations by the family of one of her
former wrestlers.
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St. Mark, if you see these guys moving
around, they are a professional film
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company, and they are doing an episode
dealing with pro -women wrestlers,
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which one of them was my mother.
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South Carolina's first black female
professional wrestler, Sweet Georgia
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I'm Michael McCoy.
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I'm the senior pastor at St. Mark
Baptist Church.
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That article that came out in the
Columbia Free Times, it was about what
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mother had to go through and endure
while she was in wrestling.
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I started a search to try to find out
the truth.
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Maybe you could just tell us your name
and a little bit about yourself.
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Yes, my name is Barbara Harsey, and I am
the proud daughter of Susan A. McCoy.
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Who is also known as?
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Queen Georgia Brown.
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When my mom went into wrestling, she was
with the so -called great mullah.
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She said she was forced to do a lot of
things against her will.
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Now, these are just stories that I
heard. Do I know any truth to them? No,
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can't sit here and say I know truth to
it or not.
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But, you know, when more than one, two,
three people saying the same story.
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You know, somebody ain't lying.
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Phillip!
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Honey, can you walk these guys outside
and show them the banister? This is my
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husband, Phillip.
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Back here.
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Oh, wow.
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Back when Moolah died.
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My husband, he went over to tear down
the barn that the ring was in, and
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he found a banister, the women's
wrestlers, and he brought it back,
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would want, you know, keep it.
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For the better part of 25 years, every
top girl wrestler was trained by Moolah,
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booked out by Moolah, and was controlled
by Moolah's group.
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Can you tell us who Sweet Georgia Brown
was?
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Yeah, she was one of the first.
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African -American women to wrestle, and
my mother trained her.
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Believe it or not, it was on a mattress
in the living room.
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It was unreal, but they learned a lot.
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I was told she had that drive to go get
it.
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You know, it's like she had a purpose.
She wanted to be there.
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The first time I seen a wrestler play
for a jam pack, throwing each other out
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the ring, they kicking, body slamming.
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I just figured, no, this is one tough
lady.
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Being one of the first black females to
get into the wrestling business, the
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KKKs was at their fullest.
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The segregation was really bad at that
time.
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Whenever they were on the road, my
mother was very protective.
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There was a time in Mississippi she did
have a run -in with some KKKs. She was
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thrown on the floor of the bar.
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And she was scared for her life.
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She had to have been super passionate
because, see, in 1964, she was ranked
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number four in the world. If she would
have had the opportunity to fight for
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world's title, she probably would have
won it. But Moolah was most definitely
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not going to let a student challenge her
for the world's title.
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When my mom went...
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Into wrestling, she left us with one of
her sisters.
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She would call us names.
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Half -breed.
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She was a witch.
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God forgive me.
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She's dead and gone.
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Every time my mother went on the road
and she'd come back, just about, she was
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pregnant. One of my aunts said that
every time you come back home, you come
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home with one of these half -white kids,
half -breeds.
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And we got mistreated, you know, for
years growing up because of our color.
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I hated where she had left us.
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I hated her career.
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But then when I got the full story from
her, I kind of understood.
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There's a lot of abuse with Mola and
Buddy Lee.
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I saw her one time. This big old car had
pulled up.
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She was getting out the back of the car.
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and it was only for a few hours.
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I didn't know the man's name at the
time, but he thought it was time to go.
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My sister and I, we grabbed hold to her
leg, but he kind of like pushed her, and
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she hit her head getting into the car.
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I don't know if it was intentionally or
it was an accident.
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My mom said everywhere she went and
everything she did was done according
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to Buddy Lee and Moolah.
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I think she thought that it was going to
be glamorous and glory, but it turned
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out to be something totally different.
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I heard different stories about my
mother.
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It's real things, and I have no reason
not to believe that account.
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There was one gruesome time that we
talked about.
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She was told to drink and pop pills.
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She was made to have sex with us.
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On the road, some of the promoters
wouldn't pay some of the girls until
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slept with other promoters.
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From what my mother told me, he was
their favorite.
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And you can call it entertaining or
whatever.
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It's still pimping and prostitution.
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Buddy Lee was not a nice person. And my
mother was on the road, and she came
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home a day early and caught him in her
bed with one of the girls that she
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trained. And she threw Buddy out. That
was it.
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A lot of the girls went with him.
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Georgia Brown was one of the girls that
went with Buddy.
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I started to search for my father, and
then one of the first places where I
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started was with the Fabulous Moolah.
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Honestly, I was almost kind of afraid a
little bit because I heard of the Moolah
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that everybody else talked about, but
the Moolah that I met, she seemed to be
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fine lady.
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I asked Moolah, did my mother ever talk
about who my father was?
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Then Moolah took me to her wall, and she
pointed out this one picture.
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And I said, who is this guy right here
in the middle?
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She said, well, his name is Buddy Lee.
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He was kind of rough on the girls.
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I think that happened with Sweet Georgia
Brown, that she was one that had to go
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to bed with Buddy.
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And as a matter of fact, I think the
son, Michael, is proof of that.
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If Buddy Lee's my father, then that's
who he is.
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I wasn't coming in to look for anything,
and I didn't want anything.
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I just wanted to close a chapter in my
life.
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I knew that everything was over when my
uncle burned up all
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of her stuff, and he poured gas on it,
and he set it on fire right
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there in front of us.
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At the end, she kind of thanked him.
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because of the things that she had to
endure, the things that she was made to
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by Mueller, by Buddy Lee, by the
industry itself.
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Listening to your mom describe some of
the most horrific things she had to do,
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you can't just walk away.
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Regardless of the abuse she went
through, regardless of if they made her
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drugs, They made her use alcohol.
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Rather, they pimped her.
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She still was South Carolina's first
black female professional wrestler.
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Honor it.
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Sweet Georgia Brown's life was shaped by
forces beyond her control.
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For Moolah to succeed, she would need to
build her own women's wrestling empire.
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The fabulous Moolah single -handedly
built her women's training school into a
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powerhouse that dominated the industry.
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It attracted young women eager to follow
in her footsteps.
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In Columbia, South Carolina, there was a
location called Moolah Drive.
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And on Moolah Drive was the house that
Moolah built and also a variety of other
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buildings. It was a compound.
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The women not only trained there, but
they lived on the property, and Moolah
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presided over it like a mother lion.
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She took girls from all walks of life,
and she brought them in. She taught them
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a skill.
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She put it together like a group or a
union and took care of the girls and
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sure they were taken care of.
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She was one of the most powerful women
in the wrestling business. If you were a
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female wrestler at that point and you
wanted to get booked, you pretty much
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to go through moolah or you weren't
going to work.
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I have a bunch of questions.
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Okay.
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I took my truth serum before I came in.
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My name is Wendy Richter. Wendy Richter!
I was a professional wrestler for over
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20 years.
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The first time I ever watched a
wrestling match, I watched the fabulous
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versus Vivian St. John.
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And I told my friend, I could beat
Moolah.
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The referee gave me Moolah's phone
number. She told me to come on to
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South Carolina.
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I was there within two weeks.
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My name is Victoria Otis. I wrestled
with Princess Victoria.
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I come from a very, very abusive
childhood.
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And that's basically what took me to
wrestling.
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You had to want it.
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You had to bleed. You had to cry.
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When I was wrestling, and it had been
about a year, and I was told by my
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promoter, look, I've done all I can do.
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I've tried to get you booked other
places. The only way I can get you
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I've got to send you to Moolah.
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I still remember a friend of mine
telling me, Vicki, don't go to Moolah.
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Find a job, get on your feet, just don't
go to Moolah.
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I was warned.
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But I wanted to wrestle so bad.
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When you first got to the property,
there's these big gates.
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After dark, the gates were locked.
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If you weren't home and you weren't
working, you got locked out.
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Moolah had a roommate named Diamond Lil,
and we all called her Katie.
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And I really liked Katie.
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My name is Diamond Lil, and Buddy Lee
named me Diamond Lil.
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Katie come from a hard background, too.
She was a wrestler, and she lived in the
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house with Moolah, and she called her
Ma.
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And she's been right there with my
mother through thick and thin.
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Katie liked to drink beer, but she
wasn't allowed to.
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Katie used to come out to the pond and
go fishing, and I'd come in there and
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drop a six -pack in the pond, and her
and I'd sit there and drink beer.
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I was famous for getting the beer on the
property.
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They had apartments, and she would put
two or three girls in there at a time,
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and they would come down to the gym
every morning.
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What I remember the most about my
training at MOLA's was learning to drop
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I would go out there and drop kick and
drop kick and drop kick and just land on
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the mat. The mat wasn't soft.
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It was all bloody. And by that time, a
lot of it was mine.
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There were buckets strategically placed.
And it wasn't if you were going to
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throw up.
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It was when you were going to throw up
and would you hit the bucket.
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One thing that Moolah taught me, take a
bite and growl.
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Moolah, she never trained me. She just
took the money and she had the girl
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me.
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She wanted her $300. Now, can you
imagine?
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Four girls in one little house, she's
getting $1 ,200 a month in
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the 80s?
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And on top of that, she's taking 25 %
off of what she's telling us we're paid.
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Bullpucky. I'm sitting here 24 hours a
day making you connections with the
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promoters. All you got to do is set your
lazy butt in the car and go to Russell
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and collect their money and send me 25%.
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And I thought that was fair.
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There is a picture of me in this brown
outfit that Moolah presented to me at
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Christmas in front of all the girls
after she had given all of them a $5 or
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$10 gift.
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That was no cheap outfit.
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That was hand -beated. That was a $200
to $300 outfit.
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She couldn't take me in privately and
give me this outfit. She had to do it in
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front of the girls. That was another one
of her little manipulation things.
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Everything brings back memories now.
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And it's like the floodgates get opened.
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I was in a match. I know it was the
first or second week in September 1984.
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A girl.
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Shut up!
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The night I broke my neck in the ring, a
girl stumbled and sat on
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my head.
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That was the day my world fell apart.
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It hurt so bad I couldn't stand it.
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I remember a moment at the hospital.
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They had my neck braced.
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I remember being on a cot.
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Then the next thing I remember, I don't
know how, but I'm back at Moola's
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property, and Moola's walking me out to
the range. I want to see if you can take
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a bump.
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I took a bump, and I cried.
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Every time I took a bump, I felt like
something was exploding.
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This went on for a month, two months.
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Moo comes to me one day.
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She said, hon, if you go see this guy in
Holland, he'll give you a payday.
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I thought to myself, I can't wrestle.
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Might as well.
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I get on the phone with this guy, and I
make it explicitly clear.
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It's a separate motel room.
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The conversation after I hung up from
him with Moo was, you know, hon, the
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you are to him, the bigger your payday
will be.
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And you could really use a payday.
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And so was Moolah sort of insinuating,
like, the idea that... When Moolah
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at me and said, You know, the nicer you
are to him, the nicer he'll be
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to you.
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What else can I say?
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When this guy first picked me up at the
airport, I said, damn, this guy didn't
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get beat by the ugly stick. He got beat
by the whole damn forest.
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I wake up the next morning. I catch him
right here, and I grab his hand, and I'm
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holding it.
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I said, dude, I will break your wrist.
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And she was fire engine red pissed when
I got back.
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I can't believe she didn't sleep with
him.
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Well, not a week after I got back is
when Moo came to me and said, look, you
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can't wrestle and I need my ransom.
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I'll take that yellow outfit. I'll take
the brown outfit that she gave me for
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Christmas.
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I left the property that day with my
Chevy Malibu station wagon and 20 bucks
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my pocket.
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She dumped me.
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And I never wrestled again.
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When I walked away 30 years ago, my
heart was broke.
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I can't even explain it.
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I missed the road.
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I missed my friends. I missed my family.
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And when I left, do you know what told
the girls? She told them I was in prison
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for dealing cocaine.
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For God's sake, she couldn't tell them
that I broke my neck and I was of no use
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to her anymore.
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So I had to go because then they knew
their fate.
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I love wrestling.
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To protect this business, to me, is like
protecting the country.
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If wrestling needed me, I'd do it in a
heartbeat.
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All someone has to do is ask.
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Moolah! As wrestling gained popularity
in the early 1980s, the WWF looked to
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replenish its roster with younger
wrestlers.
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Moolah's protege, Wendy Richter, was an
obvious choice.
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Wendy Richter.
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Hell of a person.
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Hell of a lady.
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She loved her business. She honed her
skills. She worked very hard to become
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wrestler she was.
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Do you have an assumption as to why
there was so much friction between you
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Lola? The only thing I can think of why
there was so much friction is possibly
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she was jealous of me because I was
younger than her.
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And like my father said, they couldn't
put her face on a can of dog food to
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it.
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Wendy Richter began to eclipse her
mentor, and she left Moolah's stable to
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Vince McMahon.
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When I left Moolah's, I had a
conversation with Vince McMahon and told
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I didn't want to live there anymore, and
I did not want my check going to her.
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I wanted the check to come to me, so I
knew what I was making.
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As soon as Vince took over from his
father, he started making changes.
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One advantage that he had was that a lot
of celebrities had grown up in the New
431
00:28:34,850 --> 00:28:39,450
York area as fans of wrestling. And one
of those was Cyndi Lauper.
432
00:28:44,150 --> 00:28:48,610
Cyndi Lauper was on an airplane flight
with Lou Albano.
433
00:28:49,010 --> 00:28:54,270
And then Lou Albano tells everyone that
he was managing Cyndi Lauper.
434
00:28:54,890 --> 00:28:58,710
I created and made Cindy Lauper. Took
her from the nothing.
435
00:28:59,050 --> 00:29:02,990
I don't know if anybody knows it, but
when she did Girls Just Want to Have
436
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:04,430
he was in it.
437
00:29:04,970 --> 00:29:06,750
That's how all of this came together.
438
00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:11,970
It all boiled down to that Lou Albano
said, I'm going to choose someone to
439
00:29:11,970 --> 00:29:17,730
represent me in the ring. So Lou Albano
chose Fabulous Moolah. And
440
00:29:17,730 --> 00:29:20,590
Cindy Lauper chose me.
441
00:29:21,770 --> 00:29:25,750
the world's championship belt, but she
also has Lou Albano on her side.
442
00:29:26,170 --> 00:29:32,690
As soon as Cyndi Lauper got involved
with Lou Albano, Vince McMahon saw gold
443
00:29:32,690 --> 00:29:36,190
fostered that connection into the rock
and wrestling connection.
444
00:29:38,490 --> 00:29:42,710
The wrestlers giving their hand at it,
they have been involved with rock and
445
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:43,710
roll in the past year.
446
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,860
It brought the dated look of wrestling
into the mainstream.
447
00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:52,600
Wendy Richter morphed from the Dallas
Cowgirl to Wendy Richter, a little bit
448
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,940
more Cyndi Lauper -ish, a little more
rock and roll, and that's what led the
449
00:29:56,940 --> 00:29:59,980
movement there in 1984 that pretty much
paved the way for the first
450
00:29:59,980 --> 00:30:04,320
WrestleMania. They were giving girls
more of a push than they probably ever
451
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:09,540
before. They were really trying to
escalate the girls up, trying to get
452
00:30:09,540 --> 00:30:10,540
the men.
453
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,960
It was the turning point for women's
wrestling.
454
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,760
Vince wanted to make Wendy Richter the
equivalent as Hulk Hogan would be, so he
455
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:22,200
had a male role model and a female role
model. Since the most widely recognized
456
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,000
female champion of the previous 30 years
had been the fabulous Moolah, Wendy
457
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,480
needed to beat Moolah for the title.
458
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,020
Well, with that in mind, ladies and
gentlemen, I'd like to introduce to you
459
00:30:31,020 --> 00:30:34,480
number one contender for the ladies'
championship, Miss Wendy Richter.
460
00:30:35,220 --> 00:30:36,760
And the rest is history.
461
00:30:37,740 --> 00:30:41,400
Ladies and gentlemen, this title belt
will be on the line at Madison Square
462
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,340
Garden just moments from now. This lady
to the fan.
463
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,160
Their rivalry was about to explode in
what would become one of the most
464
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,900
matches of all time.
465
00:30:51,300 --> 00:30:58,020
That was probably the most nervous I've
ever been in my life. I knew every move
466
00:30:58,020 --> 00:30:59,020
mattered.
467
00:30:59,540 --> 00:31:04,620
There was so much at stake, and it was
against Moolah. It was the culmination
468
00:31:04,620 --> 00:31:05,620
my whole career.
469
00:31:06,290 --> 00:31:10,830
Moolah had been very jealous and guarded
of that championship for a long time,
470
00:31:10,930 --> 00:31:15,450
but Vince was able to write the
appropriate amount of money on a check
471
00:31:15,450 --> 00:31:22,210
changed Moolah's mind. And also, by
doing that, Moolah got Vince McMahon
472
00:31:22,210 --> 00:31:23,210
loyalty for life.
473
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:24,930
One, two.
474
00:31:27,550 --> 00:31:29,810
That's when everything changed.
475
00:31:41,889 --> 00:31:46,450
When I won the championship, it was a
feeling like no other.
476
00:31:47,250 --> 00:31:50,090
Everyone was up on their feet and
screaming.
477
00:31:51,470 --> 00:31:56,670
I can't believe someone beat her after
28 years, and that someone was me.
478
00:31:57,420 --> 00:32:00,820
It was a big deal for the fans because
they wanted to see Wendy win, right? But
479
00:32:00,820 --> 00:32:04,920
it was a bigger deal inside the business
because two generations of wrestlers
480
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,380
had come and gone without ever seeing
the fabulous Moolah lose.
481
00:32:08,660 --> 00:32:12,760
It was shocking to the folks in the
business who knew about the stranglehold
482
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,500
that Moolah had had on the thing.
483
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:18,800
Right here is the new champ, the
terrific symbol of the new woman.
484
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:24,020
My match against Moolah for the
championship was kind of ground zero for
485
00:32:24,020 --> 00:32:25,020
wrestling.
486
00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:29,220
It moved towards a different level of
women's wrestling.
487
00:32:29,660 --> 00:32:36,460
See, what a lot of people don't
understand is once you step in that
488
00:32:36,460 --> 00:32:37,460
addicted.
489
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:44,500
I think Moolah let her ego get in her
way, and Moolah
490
00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:45,500
couldn't quit.
491
00:32:56,390 --> 00:32:59,730
Oh, my. We were on the top of a
skyscraper.
492
00:33:00,590 --> 00:33:04,430
I remember I was hot. I was hungry. I
was thirsty.
493
00:33:05,070 --> 00:33:07,190
And it felt like the day would never
end.
494
00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:14,730
When I went to visit my father and my
grandmother in Kokomo, Indiana, people
495
00:33:14,730 --> 00:33:18,170
recognized me. I'm thinking, they know
me in Kokomo.
496
00:33:18,450 --> 00:33:22,150
Even though Wendy was a household name,
Wendy wasn't getting paid like a
497
00:33:22,150 --> 00:33:23,230
household name, though.
498
00:33:24,910 --> 00:33:29,790
I found out early in my career that the
men were being paid far more than the
499
00:33:29,790 --> 00:33:34,970
women. But if I'm the only one saying
that, one person can be replaced.
500
00:33:36,190 --> 00:33:41,090
Vince McMahon had been pushing Wendy
Richter, going to make her a superstar.
501
00:33:41,090 --> 00:33:45,150
possibly was getting too big for her
britches. He decided that she needed to
502
00:33:45,150 --> 00:33:47,670
lose the belt, and who's going to beat
her for the belt?
503
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:54,420
I was on the road constantly, but it was
always matches against Moolah over and
504
00:33:54,420 --> 00:33:55,420
over.
505
00:33:55,780 --> 00:34:01,980
I'll never forget one time she got me in
a move, the Boston Crab. With that, you
506
00:34:01,980 --> 00:34:04,760
never go all the way back because you
could break someone's back.
507
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:06,560
Well, she did.
508
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,900
She tried to break my back.
509
00:34:09,699 --> 00:34:11,400
She wanted to put me out.
510
00:34:12,060 --> 00:34:16,739
My spine snapped like firecrackers. She
was just so bitter.
511
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,679
I really believe in the golden rule,
treat others as you'd like to be
512
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,139
But sometimes you've got to treat fire
with fire.
513
00:34:24,739 --> 00:34:28,100
And in the ring, when that bell rang,
you had no friends.
514
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:36,679
When I was to wrestle the Spider Lady
for a championship match, it changed my
515
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:37,679
career.
516
00:34:38,260 --> 00:34:39,860
It changed my life.
517
00:34:42,380 --> 00:34:45,920
I really didn't think anything of it. I
thought, well, it's just another
518
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:46,920
championship match.
519
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:49,620
and it's against the Spider Lady.
520
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,420
Wendy said that Moolah had showed up.
521
00:34:55,659 --> 00:34:57,740
She didn't understand why Moolah was
there.
522
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:04,980
I've wrestled a Spider Lady before, and
I didn't recall her being that thought.
523
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:10,200
A very determined young lady is going to
take one heck of a wrestler to be able
524
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,580
to strip that title from her.
525
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,160
The match really didn't go that good.
526
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,940
It was just a wrestling halt.
527
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,920
Spider going, oh, small package.
528
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,200
The referee counted one.
529
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,320
I kicked out, had my shoulder up.
530
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:30,920
Two, three.
531
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,120
And that was it.
532
00:35:37,140 --> 00:35:38,140
What was that?
533
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,120
Appears that the referee has made a
three count.
534
00:35:42,620 --> 00:35:43,960
The match was over.
535
00:35:46,140 --> 00:35:47,140
Then.
536
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,880
The masked person took their mask off.
537
00:35:53,060 --> 00:35:54,380
And it was Moolah.
538
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:56,860
It is Moolah.
539
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,480
It is Moolah. Take a look. Fabulous
Moolah, the oldest, saltiest dog in the
540
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:04,620
yard, knows all the tricks.
541
00:36:04,820 --> 00:36:08,880
She was the one that was chosen because
it was thought that if things did break
542
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,760
down, that she can handle Wendy
legitimately anyway.
543
00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:16,620
Did you have any idea that that was
Moolah? Did it match at all? No.
544
00:36:16,940 --> 00:36:19,020
I couldn't tell who it was.
545
00:36:21,740 --> 00:36:23,720
It was obvious who was under that mat.
546
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,780
Everybody in the arena knew who was
under that mat.
547
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:28,960
Wendy knew.
548
00:36:29,660 --> 00:36:33,440
This double -cross blurred the lines
between business and storyline.
549
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,480
Whatever the truth was, Wendy came out
the loser.
550
00:36:38,220 --> 00:36:43,180
I demanded to talk to Vince McMahon, and
no one would tell me where he was.
551
00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:47,170
I probably would have killed him with my
bare hands.
552
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:50,130
What Vinny and Moo did to her?
553
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:56,570
Wendy was over like a million dollars at
that time. Her and Cindy Lauper and the
554
00:36:56,570 --> 00:36:59,090
cartoon, the Goonies.
555
00:36:59,830 --> 00:37:03,690
You know, Wendy was over as big as
Hogan, and maybe that was the problem.
556
00:37:04,350 --> 00:37:10,910
The only thing I can think of is I was
asking to be paid fairly.
557
00:37:11,980 --> 00:37:17,680
I feel like it was a sad situation that
happened because the girls should be
558
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:23,060
paid maybe more than they were at the
time. But when a promoter tells you
559
00:37:23,060 --> 00:37:27,500
going to win or lose, you have to go
with the one who's running the show,
560
00:37:27,660 --> 00:37:28,900
whether you like it or not.
561
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,140
That was her choice to walk away from
it.
562
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:37,000
If everything had worked with Wendy,
there would have been an established...
563
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:43,240
women's division with women featured in
more important matches a lot before it
564
00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:44,138
actually happened.
565
00:37:44,140 --> 00:37:50,480
I was angry for what she just did to
women's wrestling. For so long, she held
566
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:56,480
back, she held it back, she held it
back. Then finally, it started to bloom,
567
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:57,580
she killed it.
568
00:37:57,820 --> 00:37:59,180
I think Lula was afraid.
569
00:37:59,540 --> 00:38:02,580
I think she was afraid of walking away.
570
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:10,240
I left the arena fully dressed in my
wrestling suit, hailed a cab in New York
571
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:12,360
City, and went to the airport.
572
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:15,100
They were dead in my life.
573
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:16,720
They were dead.
574
00:38:20,820 --> 00:38:23,000
Have you ever seen the footage of the
mass?
575
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,720
I almost did. I couldn't bear to see it.
576
00:38:28,110 --> 00:38:33,310
What good would it do? The bitch is
dead, okay? I don't need to see it. I
577
00:38:33,310 --> 00:38:34,310
there.
578
00:38:41,110 --> 00:38:47,350
At 1995, the Fabulous Moon became the
first woman inducted into the WWF
579
00:38:47,350 --> 00:38:48,910
Wrestling Hall of Fame.
580
00:38:49,870 --> 00:38:53,730
Tonight is the greatest night of my
life.
581
00:38:54,670 --> 00:38:58,310
being inducted into the WWF Hall of
Fame.
582
00:38:58,530 --> 00:39:03,930
By the year 2000, the WWF had phased out
traditional women's athletic wrestling
583
00:39:03,930 --> 00:39:07,770
in favor of strip matches and comedy
storylines.
584
00:39:08,050 --> 00:39:10,630
But Moolah showed no sign of slowing
down.
585
00:39:10,970 --> 00:39:14,190
She teamed up with fellow wrestling
legend Mae Young.
586
00:39:15,210 --> 00:39:17,430
Mae Young wrestled the seven different
decades.
587
00:39:17,830 --> 00:39:19,430
She was tougher than Moolah.
588
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,020
And that's saying something.
589
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:26,320
Years ago, they had to put up a chicken
wire fence up over the ring because they
590
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,420
hated me so bad.
591
00:39:28,060 --> 00:39:32,840
It's insane that more people saw Moolah
and Maeve in the late 90s and early
592
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,340
2000s when they were both everybody's
grandmother.
593
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,980
Maybe the Adams family's grandmother.
594
00:39:38,340 --> 00:39:42,200
I have to be real careful with her.
Everywhere I go, she either wants to get
595
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,360
drunk or naked. This would be the place,
I guess.
596
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,920
And then, of course, they go out on TV
and they can take the tremendous...
597
00:39:49,180 --> 00:39:53,640
bumps and incredible falls and still
somehow not break into a million pieces.
598
00:39:54,620 --> 00:39:58,440
She should have stopped in her 60s, but
she couldn't.
599
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:04,540
I mean, my God, she was 80 years old
wearing a checkered schoolgirl outfit.
600
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,740
No, no, stop.
601
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,640
Stop. Stop it.
602
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:11,520
Stop.
603
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,320
Shh.
604
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,860
I get the last word, not you.
605
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:17,280
Be a good boy.
606
00:40:21,710 --> 00:40:22,810
What was her funeral like?
607
00:40:23,370 --> 00:40:27,470
It was crowded, and I don't, I tell you
the truth, I don't know. I was just in a
608
00:40:27,470 --> 00:40:28,470
daze the whole time.
609
00:40:29,070 --> 00:40:30,710
I didn't even know that he was there.
610
00:40:32,110 --> 00:40:35,070
I just remember thinking that it was the
end of an era.
611
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:40,810
In 2007, Moolah passed away at the age
of 84.
612
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:45,490
The wrestling family showed up in large
numbers to pay their respects.
613
00:40:46,250 --> 00:40:47,570
This is where she's buried.
614
00:40:48,070 --> 00:40:49,290
This is hers here.
615
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,140
And this is Katie's, and this was Johnny
Mae's here.
616
00:40:53,660 --> 00:40:56,820
She had that little thing put there. She
said, when you want to come talk to me,
617
00:40:56,900 --> 00:40:59,520
there's a bench in there. You won't get
wet if it's raining.
618
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,040
She was all I had.
619
00:41:05,580 --> 00:41:07,760
And I miss her every day.
620
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:13,060
No one can ever, can ever be as good as
she was.
621
00:41:13,260 --> 00:41:14,260
Never.
622
00:41:15,470 --> 00:41:19,390
Women's wrestling today has undergone a
renaissance I don't think would have
623
00:41:19,390 --> 00:41:23,270
been possible without the rise of women
in mixed martial arts, and specifically
624
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:29,810
Ronda Rousey. Now it's so much more
refined. It wasn't that way in Moolah's
625
00:41:29,810 --> 00:41:32,350
because that wasn't her strong point.
626
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:38,170
Ten years after Moolah's death, her
impact on wrestling remains
627
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:42,850
Well, I think in wrestling there...
628
00:41:43,180 --> 00:41:46,320
is blurred lines between your character
and who you really are.
629
00:41:47,020 --> 00:41:52,780
I believe that the fans couldn't tell
the difference between Moolah and the
630
00:41:52,780 --> 00:41:54,060
character she was playing.
631
00:41:54,760 --> 00:42:01,260
Nobody really knows how it hurts you to
hear that, that you worked for somebody
632
00:42:01,260 --> 00:42:03,480
and they pimped you out, so you get what
you did.
633
00:42:03,820 --> 00:42:09,880
She had never once ever drugged any of
us. It just really...
634
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:15,660
Pisses me off that they're taking away
the legacy of the fabulous Moolah.
635
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:21,580
I mean, I'll be honest with you. Bambi
was never a famous wrestler. But if
636
00:42:21,580 --> 00:42:26,760
there's one thing that I could do, it
would be to save Moolah's name and
637
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:31,080
and restore what she gave to the
professional wrestling business.
638
00:42:32,540 --> 00:42:38,320
Moolah may have initially opened doors,
but she quickly closed the door.
639
00:42:38,910 --> 00:42:42,830
She held women's wrestling back probably
for 40 years.
640
00:42:43,790 --> 00:42:49,390
If Moolah had left Wendy with the belt,
I think women's wrestling would have
641
00:42:49,390 --> 00:42:50,390
skyrocketed.
642
00:42:51,630 --> 00:42:53,830
She wasn't as big a star as Mildred
Burke.
643
00:42:54,070 --> 00:42:57,850
She's not as big a star as Ronda Rousey,
but she was the placeholder for 30
644
00:42:57,850 --> 00:42:58,850
years.
645
00:42:58,950 --> 00:43:01,590
How do you think people should remember
Moolah?
646
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:04,030
Any way they like.
647
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:09,940
Everybody have their own opinion, and me
personally, I don't have an opinion of
648
00:43:09,940 --> 00:43:10,940
Moolah.
649
00:43:11,540 --> 00:43:12,920
Nothing that I care to share.
650
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:19,020
If I choose not to like her because of
what she did to me, that's fine.
651
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,560
But Moolah needs to be remembered.
652
00:43:22,020 --> 00:43:23,820
She was an icon in this business.
653
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,920
You can't take away her history just
because she's an asshole.
654
00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:32,020
All the girls that she tried, remember
her.
655
00:43:32,590 --> 00:43:37,230
and they know that they wouldn't be
where they are now without her, and they
656
00:43:37,230 --> 00:43:39,450
wouldn't have had the career they had
without her.
657
00:43:40,170 --> 00:43:44,690
Whoever's starting these rumors, you're
not just calling Moolah a pimp.
658
00:43:45,450 --> 00:43:47,050
You're calling me a prostitute.
659
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:49,150
And that hurts.
660
00:43:50,930 --> 00:43:57,490
And if you were not on that property, if
you were not in that room, you don't
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know what happened, and you need to shut
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