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Brett was amazing.
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By any standard, Brett may go down as
one of the top technicians in the
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industry.
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Brett took the business seriously.
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I think sometimes to his detriment, he
took himself a little too seriously.
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Brett believed he was the WWF champion.
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On November the 9th, 1997, professional
wrestler Brett Hart had fought and
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clawed his way to the top as world
champion.
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But in a matter of seconds, he would
realize that those who make you...
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And just as easily destroy you.
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Here's the problem.
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Brett didn't want to lose the
championship.
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It's your last night in the company.
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We need to crown a new champion.
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You know what? We'll just take it from
him.
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It's like I remember when I was a kid
exactly where I was standing when John
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Kennedy had been assassinated. And I
remember just as precisely where I was
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I found out about the Montreal Screwjob.
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Screwing a Canadian hero in Canada?
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How much more evil can one get?
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I still feel to this day like I have a
neon sign on my head. I f*** you, Brent.
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Never told you about it, but I f*** you.
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I was so mad. I was like, I'm just ready
to explode.
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The Screwjob changed so many things in
the business.
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The innocence of wrestling changed.
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This was one of the worst things in the
world that happened to me in this
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business. Say what you want about
wrestling.
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That was real. He really screwed that
guy.
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The incident known as the Montreal
Screwjob.
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marks a turning point in the history of
wrestling.
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Never before had the curtain been pulled
back to fully reveal the behind -the
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-scenes drama.
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A dark plot of betrayal was exposed,
legacies were redefined, and fans would
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never see wrestling the same again.
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You know, it's one thing I always say
about the Screwjob is that if you go
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and you look at all the facts, my story
has never changed.
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It's always been the same story right
from day one because I tell the truth.
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I'm Brett the Hitman Hart. The best
there is, the best there was, and the
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there ever will be.
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I always said I was a real world
champion because I really traveled all
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the world and defended my belt.
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This is my history and my life here, all
these guys.
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Despite everything that's happened with
the Screwjobs and all that kind of
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stuff, for me, it's mostly happy
memories.
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My name's Jim Cornette. For the past 35
years, I've worked for every major
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professional wrestling promotion in the
United States as a manager, announcer,
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trainer, matchmaker, pretty much done it
all.
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I was actually there. I actually lived
it. To give you my perspective, just
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because my perspective happens to be
entertaining, then some people take
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exception to that.
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I was the executive vice president of
talent relations.
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I've been a writer, producer, director.
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Brother Love is an alter ego of mine.
You name it, worn a lot of hats in the
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WWF, WWE.
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The patriarch of the Hart family was Stu
Hart.
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And Stu was an age -old veteran, double
tough.
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The dungeon was the basement in the Hart
family house.
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Well, the dungeon is hard to explain.
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My dad, 60 or 70 -year -old man, would
go down there and torture a bunch of
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football players and bodybuilders. I
don't feel my arms, sir.
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Let me show you a hold here. You just
take your arm like this.
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The Hart family is one of the most
famous families in the history of our
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business. The sons were all wrestlers.
The daughters all married wrestlers.
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They had a wrestling bear that lived
under their porch. It was like the
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Munster's house for the people in
Calgary. Stu would invite everybody over
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and... And make breakfast. They had a
bunch of cats. And he'd take the thing
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where he's flipping the eggs. And he'd
flip the cat shit over there. And he'd
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back to flipping the eggs, you know.
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Made them tough is what it did.
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And Stu began the Stampede Wrestling
promotion in Alberta.
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And had a very successful company there
for a long time.
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Hello, hello, hello.
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And welcome to this another edition. And
Bret Hart was kind of a pale, skinny,
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you know, maybe 21 -year -old kid or
whatever.
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But you could tell he kind of knew what
he was doing. I'm more confident right
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now than I've ever been.
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There's no reason right now that him and
me shouldn't have those belts right
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now. The Harts were very integral to
professional wrestling around the world.
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In 1984, Stu Hart is trying to keep his
struggling territory afloat. The rapidly
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expanding WWF strikes a deal to acquire
the entire promotion, along with Stu's
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main star, his son Brett.
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When Vince bought...
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Stu Hart's Stampede Wrestling in 1984,
he took Bret Hart and Jim Neidhart, who
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was son -in -law, as a team. The Hart
Foundation, they were managed by Jimmy
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Hart, no relation.
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They were a tremendous tag team. And
Bret Hart had a perfect foil in Shawn
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Michaels. When you have two guys like
Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels that are as
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talented as they are at what they do to
begin with, and then sometimes there's
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just chemistry. You find a duet between
two singers that have never worked
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together before, but suddenly it's a
hit.
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Look at this.
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360 at midair.
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Internationally, we're getting reports
back that we've got Megastar on our
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in the form of Bret Hart.
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His work had made him this Megastar.
That was all they wanted to see. That's
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they wanted to talk about. At the same
time, Ric Flair was the champion, and
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was having some health issues.
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We needed to make a change.
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So Vince was looking at it going, why
not, Bret?
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That's the kind of guy you want to
reward.
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Vince McMahon's one of the most unique
individuals on the planet. If you could
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cross a genius with P .T. Barnum and
Donald Trump, you would get the love
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that would be Vince McMahon.
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Vince, honestly, is a third -generation
wrestling promoter. Vince controls
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creative. Vince controls talent choices.
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They run the lunch schedule past Vince
McMahon to this day.
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Over the years, Vince had a good
relationship with Brad.
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I don't know. You know, I think that
once Brett became champion in Saskatoon,
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there was a change that was taking
place.
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The criteria for a world champion in
those days, there wasn't a set
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physical list of maneuvers or whatever
that you had to perform. It was whoever
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Vince thought could be the guy.
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Vince McMahon decides who the champion
is going to be.
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It's not actually won by anybody.
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So Brett didn't beat Ric Flair. He won
the championship in a scripted contest,
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okay, in a storyline.
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Brett deserved, you know, to have that
accolade. But at the same time, remember
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that someone made you champion.
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You didn't really beat anybody.
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I think Brett looked at the WWF
championship like guys.
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years ago used to. Maybe it was because
of his father and his lineage, but when
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you were chosen to be a champion of a
major company, it meant that the
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thought that you were the best talent,
that you were the best draw, that you
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would make him the most money, that you
were the guy.
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While Bret's star is rising in the WWF,
a fledgling promotion suddenly starts
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edging out Vince McMahon in the
television ratings.
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WCW in the early 90s was a secondary
competitor to the WWF.
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I happened to be Eric Bishop. You know,
as the executive producer, at least I
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had a voice within WCW.
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WWF is up here.
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WCW is way down here.
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There's no way I can be better than the
WWF, but I've got to be different. Their
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tape, I'm live.
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They target their content towards kids.
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I decided I wanted my characters to be
more reality -based. I would use their
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real names.
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WCW came after our talent. The
perception was they offered them a lot
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money. You know, when Hulk Hogan left
the WWF, I think it hurt Vince
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It stung a little bit.
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And the first big names to go were Scott
Hall, Kevin Nash in the very beginning.
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Ted DiBiase left.
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Roddy Piper shortly thereafter.
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The curtain call, as it came to be
known, happened because Nash and Hall
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leaving to go to WCW for their big
contracts.
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It is my last appearance for the WWE,
and it's also Kevin Nash's last
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appearance. It was at Madison Square
Garden, the most famous arena in the
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After the last match, Hall and Nash and
Michaels and Hemsley, two of them good
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guys, two of them bad guys.
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All went out to the ring and had a big
hug and a big kiss and waved bye to the
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fans who had no idea what was going on
with Sean and those guys. They broke
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kayfabe in front of the fans in Madison
Square Garden. The word kayfabe is like
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a lot of wrestling terminology. It comes
from the days of the carnivals. When
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you break kayfabe in wrestling, you let
the fans and the general public in the
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inside world and ruin the illusion.
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It wasn't like that.
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It all just happened organically because
the fans were going crazy. I mean, it
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was like a magical moment. Here we are
25 years later talking about it. You had
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been chosen and selected to be in a
secret brotherhood.
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And you kept those illusions private and
to yourself because it was a code.
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It was the code of kayfabe.
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Now as competition between the two
biggest promotions heats up.
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wrestling's fourth wall starts to
crumble, exposing its secrets.
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And while Bret enters the biggest
rivalry of his career, he never could
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imagined that it would end up leading to
his ultimate destruction.
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Before their off -screen feud would boil
over into one of wrestling's most
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controversial moments, Bret Hart and
Shawn Michaels' contrasting in -ring
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led to some of the greatest matches of
all time.
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As far as wrestling styles between Brett
and Shawn, Brett was more basic, more
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grounded, more hard -hitting, more
technical.
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Michaels, he's an incredible performer,
but also a lot of his stuff
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is more pretty and a little bit more
gymnastic.
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I think Shawn Michaels is probably the
greatest performer all around.
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Plus, he was different. He wasn't a big
giant.
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My contract was going to expire.
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Aaron Bischoff has sent fuelers out to
me.
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There were two separate occasions when I
began to talk to Brett about coming
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over. And I heard the initial offer was
$2 million, and then it was $2 million
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something, and it got up to like $3
million. And I'm sure they were rounding
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off, but at that point, what's the
difference, right?
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Vince heard about them giving me an
offer.
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And I remember Vince said, he goes, I'll
make you an offer.
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And we worked out a contract. It was $1
.5 million for...
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20 years, I think.
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Brett favors loyalty over money and
accepts the counteroffer from Vince
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But then a mutual animosity between
Brett and Shawn begins to take hold.
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Shawn was starting to get overwhelmed
with the negative.
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Doing a Chip and Dale kind of gimmick is
not a heroic thing to do.
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Shawn Michaels saw an opportunity to be
more and more of a top guy and also to
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be more and more of a prick.
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Nobody breaks into this wrestling
business to work their way to the
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I mean, if you don't want to be on top,
you're in the wrong business.
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I don't really care if you want to have
dinner with me. Do you want to wrestle
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me? Oh, you do?
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Okay. I don't think that they were
really that different, which is probably
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where the real -life rivalry came into
play.
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First day, when I walked out and I ended
up trashing Shawn Michaels on the
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interview about his Playgirl magazine
center full. Before I went out, I said,
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Shawn, I'm going to...
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It's okay if I bring up that Playgirl
magazine and take a jab at that and say
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something about it. He goes, no, go
ahead, say whatever you want.
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Royal Wrestling Federation needs a hero.
They need a role model. They need
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somebody they can look up to. Not
somebody that poses for girly magazines.
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And I came back, and Sean was just
crushed.
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He almost looked like he was about to
burst into tears.
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Now we're doing live TV, and these guys
are saying things on live TV about each
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other. Sean made reference to sunny
days.
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Sonny, Tammy Fitz, she was one of the
valets. She was the first real, you
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big pinup girl of the WWF. And Shawn was
making the inference that Bret was
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having some kind of an affair or some
kind of relationship with Sonny.
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Even though lately you've had some Sonny
days, my friend, you still can't get
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the job done in any situation.
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Oh, boy. Now, from a fan's point of
view, it's getting exciting.
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But if you're the other guy, you're
hating the dude who's talking about you.
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Because now you've got to call home and
explain that to your wife.
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You don't mess with a guy's wife or his
family, or else you'd find yourself
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laying in a ditch somewhere.
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So we're in Hartford, Connecticut one
night at the Hartford Civic Center. And
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all of a sudden, the door busts open,
and in comes the Brooklyn Brawler. And
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says, hey, Vince, Sean and Brett have
just gotten a fight in the bathroom.
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Sean finally comes into my dressing
room. We haven't talked for about a
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months. I just remember I was just
trying to be nice. I almost, like,
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that we ever had issues. I said, hey,
Sean, I was brushing my hair, and he
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you think I'm going to talk to you? And
whatever it was, Brett just leg -dived
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him and took him down right there. So I
grabbed him by the hair and swung him
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around the dressing room. I think his
feet rotted off the ground a couple of
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times. If anything, it was like two
prostitutes fighting in downtown or
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something. Here comes Sean, and he's
hot. And he has got in his hand a
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of his hair. It looked like...
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A small possum. And I'll never forget
this. He said, this is an unsafe working
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environment. As far as I know, I think
if anybody was sleeping with Sonny, it
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probably was Sean.
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As the backstage friction between Brett
and Sean intensifies, Vince begins to
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lose the TV ratings war and is forced to
cut costs.
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Vince comes back and looks at the
commitment that he had made to Bret
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it was a drain. It was a drain on the
company for what we were bringing in at
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the time. Vince told me that basically
he couldn't afford to pay me the
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that he'd given me. It kind of broke my
heart. I was like, okay, I get it. I
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remember I got off the phone with him
and I said, I guess I'm done. I hung up
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Vince and I signed my WCW contract.
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I can't remember exactly what day or
when I heard that Brett had made the
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and was going to WCW, but Vince told us
Brett was going to finish up at Survivor
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Series. He dropped the belt, and then
he'd be free.
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It didn't turn out that way.
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With Brett leaving the company, Brett
wasn't just leaving the company. He was
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leaving the company and going to our
competitor that was beating us in the
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ratings. To have our champion leave the
company is bad enough. To have them
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leave the company with the championship?
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It's a kick in the nuts. The time
-honored tradition is when you're
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territory or a promotion, you lose on
the way out. I got to tell you, in the
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beginning, there wasn't a whole lot of
worry about it because it was Brett. And
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we thought that there would not be any
issue with Brett dropping the
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championship to whoever we asked him to
drop the championship to. When I first
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heard that I was wrestling Sean was
maybe about three or four weeks before
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Survivor Series.
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Anyway, so Vince pulled me. He goes,
he's all excited. He goes, we're going
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drop the belt to Sean.
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So when I saw Sean, I thought this is
your chance to open the door for sort of
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dialogue. So I remember when we shook
hands, I said, Sean, I just heard that
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we're wrestling at Survivor Series.
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I said, I want you to know that you'll
always be safe with me in the ring, that
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I'll wait through professional.
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I would never do anything to hurt you or
injure you or anything like that.
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And he looked at me and he said, he
goes, I appreciate that.
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But I just want you to know that I am
not willing to do the same thing for
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And he turned around and walked out of
the dressing room and slammed the door.
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Vince, even though he knew that Sean and
Brett hated each other.
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Somehow he thought this match was
magically going to go into ring and
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was going to work out like he wanted.
And the closer that we got to the match,
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the more obvious it was that it was not.
One of the things he'd given Bret in
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that brand new contract with all the
bells and whistles was reasonable
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control of his character and the way he
was presented.
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I'm the boss of my last 60 days.
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Why would I lose the shot?
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He's disrespected me.
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I'm not wrestling Sean, or I'm not
putting Sean over under any
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until he proves to me that he's got
enough respect for me to put me over
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And I was on Brett's side, because Sean
was the prick, not Brett, but we had to
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get the belt back.
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The news of Vince's current champion
signing with his main competitor would
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spell his defeat in the ratings war.
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With his back to the wall, Vince must
get his belt off Brett, and what he's
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about to do will echo far beyond the
wrestling world.
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With his last match in the WWF less than
24 hours away, Bret Hart is refusing
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any scenario which has him losing the
belt to his real -life nemesis, Shawn
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Michaels. Bret is growing suspicious of
what his boss, Vince McMahon, might do.
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Showed up that day, and I was ready for
my match.
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But I did have suspicions about the
referee.
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I remember thinking, the only way they
can screw me, if Shawn will ever pin me
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or make me tap out. So I wasn't worried
about that. I said, but the way it'll
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work. is they'll get the referee.
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Hello, I'm Earl Hebner.
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I'm a referee.
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My relationship with Brett was great.
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Most of the time, he always wanted me to
ref his matches.
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People think, oh, I can count to three
and it's over.
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That's not the ballgame.
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We're sort of a coach.
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You're thinking for three people. It's
very, very hard.
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Okay, so let's get into the Montreal
story.
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Do we have to?
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Just kidding.
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The day before that show, I got on a
plane, got in my seat. The stewardess
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back and said, Mr. Hebner. I said, yes,
ma 'am. She said, you have a first
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-class seat.
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I said, my ticket don't say first
-class.
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She said, Mr. Hart bought you a first
-class seat.
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So I went on up there and sat beside
Brett.
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And we talked, and Brett said, Will you
promise me one thing? I said, what's
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that? He said, you won't count me out? I
said, nope, I will not count you out. I
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said, you know they're going to ask you
to screw me tomorrow.
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But he got the tears in his eyes, and he
got his lip quivering, and he was like,
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the hell with that ice boy. I swear to
God on my kids, I would never, you know,
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and he was so adamant. And I shook his
hand, and I said, just tell me if
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something like that's going to happen.
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complicating matters a film crew
producing a documentary called wrestling
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shadows is following brett to capture
his last wwf match from the second i
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i've got the entire uh high roads
production film crew they're filming and
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got the boom mics and the whole thing
and they follow me where i went it was
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like a lot of people that i didn't even
know all around the building the idea
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was that vince would get with brett i
think that vince felt that once he got
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front of brett face to face that they
would work something out but i remember
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the whole camera crew come in like they
wanted to mic me up and everyone yeah i
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kind of don't it's not how i operate he
goes just in case my name is harry
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zafrani i was the sound recordist on
wrestling with shadows
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The director told us, look, we got to be
very low profile about this. You know,
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nobody should know that Bret Hart is
wired.
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It was a private meeting and Bret went
in wired.
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Didn't let Vince know that he was
recording it.
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I never ever wanted to leave here with
any kind of bad feeling.
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But this week has been a bad week for
me. I feel kind of betrayed a little
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The way this whole thing has been
depicted, it's really hard for me as a
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here to come up short.
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I was determined to stick to my guns and
that I was not backing down.
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And right away Vince goes, well, what
are we going to do?
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I think what I'd like to do is get
through today.
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I think tomorrow I should just go in and
do my speech and forfeit the title. I
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think it allows me a chance to leave
with my head up and leave in a nice way.
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I would think it'd be a run -in type
thing. Yeah. But I'm open anyway.
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I'm open anyway.
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Going into this match, you knew what was
going to happen?
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I knew that there was a point in the
match where Bulldog and Owen would run
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Referee would lose control of the match.
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Ring the bell, there would be no winner,
and we would go off with a lot of chaos
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going on in the ring.
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So the match would end in, like, a
disqualification?
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Yeah, like, basically a no contest.
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Like, I remember walking out to the
ring, and I knew, like, okay, be leery
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submission on a match like this. But I
already talked to Earl, and I thought
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about it, and it's like, I said, okay. I
trusted Earl, and so I put my guard
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down. That was my fatal mistake.
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I'm walking down to go to the ring, and
I'm getting pulled aside.
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And Jerry Briscoe says, Vince McMahon
wants you to ring the bell when he puts
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Bret in the sharpshooter. I said, what?
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He said, well, are you going to do it? I
said, I don't know.
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Jerry Briscoe is a producer agent, one
of the toughest sumbitches on the face
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the earth.
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He grabs me by the arm. He says, is Bret
Hart going to pay you? This is what
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Vince wants. Do you want a job or not?
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I said, I don't have an idea of what I'm
going to do right now. Y 'all messed my
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mind up.
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And this is the truth. I'm thinking he
had opportunity to drop the bill.
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I know this is not right, but I got to
have a job.
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I told my brother to put all my shit in
the car, just ain't going to look good,
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get all my shit out the dressing room,
put it in the car. So I'm walking to the
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ring. God, I promised Brett I wouldn't
count him out.
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That was the longest walk of my life.
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We had a great match planned out, and
Sean was a great wrestler.
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We're going to start fighting before the
bell starts.
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I don't think... this match has
officially even started.
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Finally, after about 10 minutes of
brawling out and fighting out in the
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and stuff, I eventually fight Shawn back
to the ring, throw him in the ring, and
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now the match starts.
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I get in the ring, I ring the bell to
start, and I'm going, God, don't put the
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sharpshooter on.
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The match lasts 10, 15 minutes.
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Oh, putting Brett in the sharpshooter.
Oh, my gosh. How humiliating. He's going
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to beat him with his own finish. Sean
actually didn't know how to put the
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sharpshooter on. He steps through the
wrong way, folds my legs the wrong way.
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And I moved my legs and switched them
the right way.
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I remember when he put it on, I flipped
over.
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I could see Vince McMahon.
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And I could see he's got this cold look
on his chest. And he's yelling at it to
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ring the bell. Ring the bell. And I kept
saying it to the guy. Ring the bell.
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As the match was going on, I'm going, I
don't know what I'm going to do.
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I hated it.
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And I remember in that moment of looking
at the timekeeper, and Vince Staffs had
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to ring the bell. Oh, they're screwing
me right now. And I remember reaching
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back and showing that I wasn't
submitting, and I grabbed Sean's thing
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started to reverse, and you could hear
the bell ping.
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If I hadn't rung the bell,
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Vince McMahon was going to ring that
bell.
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And at first I was like, I want to
just... kill Vince. I would just jump
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the ropes and just punch him out. I
couldn't believe he did it to me. After
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the years that I gave him, all the
matches and all the hard work, and he
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disrespect me like that. He was a son of
a bitch.
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I jumped out of the ring, ran across the
floor, jumped the hockey fence, and
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could still hear the bell ringing,
jumped in the car, and we drove off. I
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enough sense to paint WCW backwards so
that you could read it on TV.
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Brett did the WCW for the fans there in
Montreal.
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But it was, you know, it was what it
was.
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I remember I had a nice good gobber
spit, and I remember I just leaned over
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top rope.
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Hollywood couldn't recreate something
better than that.
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I wrecked a bunch of monitors and threw
$100 ,000 headphones out into the crowd
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and stuff.
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Because of a couple of guys who couldn't
get along, they hit on the most talked
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-about match ending in the history of
professional wrestling since the dawn of
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time. Widely viewed by fans as
wrestling's most treacherous act, the
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Screwjob would tear the lid off of
wrestling's sacred brotherhood.
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But its true architect has yet to be
revealed.
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This is where I've told a couple of
these things. I've never gone this far,
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I figure, like I said, I'm not going to
talk about this on TV any time in the
413
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,860
rest of my life, so I guess at this
point I don't care who gets mad at me.
414
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,860
So it was me and Vince Russo at Vince
McMahon's house.
415
00:25:00,060 --> 00:25:05,620
My name is Vince Russo. I was the head
writer at the WWE during the infamous
416
00:25:05,620 --> 00:25:12,560
Montreal Screwjob. And quite honestly, I
wasn't even originally slated for
417
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:13,560
this documentary.
418
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,920
And then I wanted to be a part of it
because I was there. Like, I knew what
419
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:18,919
would happen.
420
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,260
So I'm sitting there that day.
421
00:25:21,500 --> 00:25:24,160
First, Vince gets up and he takes a
phone call from Brett.
422
00:25:24,490 --> 00:25:28,830
What I could tell you about that phone
call is, you know, Vince pitched many
423
00:25:28,830 --> 00:25:34,530
different scenarios for Shawn Michaels
to take the belt off of Bret Hart. And
424
00:25:34,530 --> 00:25:40,410
Bret soured on every single one of them.
Vince told Bret we'd go back to the
425
00:25:40,410 --> 00:25:42,730
drawing board, and that's exactly what
we did.
426
00:25:43,150 --> 00:25:46,470
Well, this finish won't work and that
finish won't work. And Brett just wants
427
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:49,750
come out and hand the belt over on TV
the following night without getting
428
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:50,830
I'm sure he does.
429
00:25:51,050 --> 00:25:53,170
So then he goes and he calls Sean.
430
00:25:53,410 --> 00:25:57,170
Every time Vince goes in there, then I
have to sit in a room twiddling my
431
00:25:57,170 --> 00:26:02,230
with the guy that I hate worse than
anybody in the world, Vince Russo. We'd
432
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:06,690
in these creative meetings and the three
of us would argue. And it wasn't the
433
00:26:06,690 --> 00:26:11,110
three of us. It was Jim and me. We could
not be farther apart.
434
00:26:12,699 --> 00:26:16,380
physically, philosophically, mentally,
morally, if one of us was an African
435
00:26:16,380 --> 00:26:20,620
-American lesbian nun and the other was
a Nazi skinhead Martian from outer
436
00:26:20,620 --> 00:26:27,060
space, we could not be more different.
The problem is he's still living in
437
00:26:27,060 --> 00:26:32,320
1970s. I'll never forget he made the
comment, oh, when a guy comes out of a
438
00:26:32,420 --> 00:26:35,820
he's instantly over. Like, bro, this is
like 1996.
439
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,280
Like, who's coming out of boxes, bro?
440
00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:42,890
Vince Russo's never had any respect for
professional wrestling. He booked the
441
00:26:42,890 --> 00:26:49,030
wrestling program to pattern after Jerry
Springer. Our style completely crashed.
442
00:26:49,570 --> 00:26:53,370
Finally, Vince comes out, and I'm about
lost my religion with the whole creative
443
00:26:53,370 --> 00:26:56,250
team thing anyway because it's not my
style of wrestling. I'm living in
444
00:26:56,250 --> 00:26:59,690
Connecticut. I'm miserable. I weigh 280
pounds because I'm aggravation eating.
445
00:27:00,310 --> 00:27:04,530
I'm just, I'm not in my element here. I
said, Vince, I said, there's got to be
446
00:27:04,530 --> 00:27:07,310
something we can do. I said, it's your
company and it's your belt.
447
00:27:07,710 --> 00:27:10,850
And Vince looks at me and says, well,
then how would you do it, pal?
448
00:27:11,450 --> 00:27:12,830
Well, now it's a challenge.
449
00:27:13,070 --> 00:27:16,190
Once again, I'm going through every
finish I can think of or every situation
450
00:27:16,190 --> 00:27:19,470
ever think of where nobody wanted to do
a job. I said, goddamn, double
451
00:27:19,470 --> 00:27:20,470
-crossing.
452
00:27:21,550 --> 00:27:26,730
You can learn more about modern
wrestling from these classic books and
453
00:27:26,730 --> 00:27:31,710
magazines than you can by talking to
people today because history always
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00:27:31,710 --> 00:27:36,810
itself. In 1931, there was another
double -cross in Montreal, the Battle of
455
00:27:36,810 --> 00:27:37,810
Bite.
456
00:27:37,870 --> 00:27:41,490
Strangler Lewis controlled the
championship and nobody could get it
457
00:27:41,490 --> 00:27:43,110
him because it was worth so much money.
458
00:27:43,470 --> 00:27:49,870
Lewis has a title match in Montreal
against Henri de Glan, Henry de Glan.
459
00:27:49,870 --> 00:27:55,730
lock up and immediately de Glan grabs
Lewis's own hold on Lewis, the headlock,
460
00:27:55,810 --> 00:27:59,770
and takes him down and they go down on
the mat because Lewis is working with
461
00:27:59,770 --> 00:28:01,970
and probably they're going to do some
kind of reversal.
462
00:28:02,190 --> 00:28:06,690
De Glan starts screaming, bloody murder,
top of his lungs. The referee checks de
463
00:28:06,690 --> 00:28:10,280
Glan. Huge bite mark on the guy's chest.
464
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,600
Apparently, when DeGlaine got the
headlock on Lewis, Lewis had bitten him.
465
00:28:15,860 --> 00:28:16,860
Here's the thing.
466
00:28:16,980 --> 00:28:22,140
It was actually Dan Koloff, DeGlaine's
corner man, had bitten him in the locker
467
00:28:22,140 --> 00:28:25,660
room and then did this. And then when
they locked up, boom, headlock. Nobody
468
00:28:25,660 --> 00:28:26,660
see what happened.
469
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:32,940
Referee disqualifies Strangler Lewis and
awards the title to Henri DeGlaine.
470
00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:34,480
That's a double cross.
471
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,980
And it's as old as the hills in
wrestling.
472
00:28:37,340 --> 00:28:40,120
So when Vince says, well, how would you
do it then?
473
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,100
Brett's hold is the sharpshooter.
474
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,840
But let Sean get Brett's hold on him.
475
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,860
If the referee just calls for the bell
as a submission, nobody can tell
476
00:28:54,860 --> 00:28:57,140
was wrong because that's what it's
supposed to look like anyway.
477
00:28:57,820 --> 00:29:03,300
And to tell anybody anything was wrong,
I said, Bret Hart, of all people, would
478
00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:06,340
have to expose the business. I said,
what's he going to do? Call the
479
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:12,680
But then Vince, and he gave that hump
like he does whenever you would be
480
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,580
discussing tomfoolery. And he would say,
all right, let's get back to reality.
481
00:29:15,860 --> 00:29:19,000
And we went on. Do you recall during
that meeting with Vince and Cornette,
482
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,500
Cornette ever told a history lesson
about double crosses that had happened
483
00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:24,299
the past?
484
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:30,420
Unless I was in the bathroom during that
scenario, that scenario did not take
485
00:29:30,420 --> 00:29:33,160
place in front of me when I was sitting
at the table.
486
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,720
I'm not going to call Jim Cornette a
liar.
487
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,280
And when I was sitting at the table and
Cornette was sitting at the same table,
488
00:29:39,340 --> 00:29:42,640
I pitched that exact scenario to Vince.
489
00:29:43,140 --> 00:29:49,520
So basically, out of pure frustration, I
said, Vince, I said, screw it, Vince.
490
00:29:49,540 --> 00:29:53,800
Have Sean put the sharpshooter on Brett
and have the referee call for the bell.
491
00:29:54,060 --> 00:29:55,060
Do that.
492
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,060
Vince Russo didn't know what a double
cross was. He was sitting there with his
493
00:29:59,060 --> 00:30:00,060
eyes open.
494
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:05,700
People tell me all the time, oh, Vince,
you take credit for the Montreal
495
00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:08,020
Screwjob. I wish I didn't pitch the
idea.
496
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:14,320
That was a miserable night. It was one
of the worst experiences in my life in
497
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,320
the wrestling business.
498
00:30:15,580 --> 00:30:20,700
I swear on my mother's grave, my
father's grave, my wife's life, and my
499
00:30:20,700 --> 00:30:25,720
life, the story I just told you is true.
Vince Russo is the biggest liar in
500
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,300
professional wrestling, and imagine the
territory that takes in.
501
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,400
When I was sitting there at the monitor,
I saw him going to the spot.
502
00:30:34,780 --> 00:30:35,980
That's when I shit myself.
503
00:30:37,660 --> 00:30:42,060
Holy, he's actually going to do this.
And look right now.
504
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:43,880
Close up on the goosebumps.
505
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,340
Now I'm thinking, I don't know who else
knows about this.
506
00:30:50,980 --> 00:30:55,520
I just know that there is a high
probability that somebody in this
507
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,060
going to want to beat the shit out of me
in the next 10 minutes. And I'm going
508
00:30:58,060 --> 00:30:59,060
to get out of here.
509
00:30:59,150 --> 00:31:02,830
When I'm starting my car up and starting
to pull out, I heard a car rev the
510
00:31:02,830 --> 00:31:04,910
motor and saw the headlights pop up
behind me.
511
00:31:05,210 --> 00:31:06,550
That had to be Hebner.
512
00:31:07,130 --> 00:31:08,750
I beat him out of the building.
513
00:31:15,510 --> 00:31:20,130
Just as Bret Hart was double -crossed on
live television by his boss, Vince
514
00:31:20,130 --> 00:31:26,650
McMahon, WWF executive Bruce Prichard is
blindsided himself by the sudden change
515
00:31:26,650 --> 00:31:27,650
in plans.
516
00:31:28,010 --> 00:31:33,290
So it's chaos. I'm not even realizing
what's happening in front of me. How did
517
00:31:33,290 --> 00:31:37,250
you feel about not being involved in?
Oh, God, I was pissed off that I wasn't
518
00:31:37,250 --> 00:31:41,210
smart enough as to what they were doing.
And I was pissed off because I was left
519
00:31:41,210 --> 00:31:47,770
in the back alone in a position where
everyone thought they knew that I was
520
00:31:47,770 --> 00:31:51,250
involved. And I wasn't. I felt very
alone. I felt betrayed.
521
00:31:51,770 --> 00:31:54,090
The people shift locked himself in his
office.
522
00:31:56,250 --> 00:31:57,250
Cameras are off.
523
00:31:57,690 --> 00:31:58,690
The show's over.
524
00:31:58,770 --> 00:31:59,770
I got screwed.
525
00:31:59,830 --> 00:32:00,990
And I was so mad.
526
00:32:01,190 --> 00:32:04,890
And there's Sean suddenly in my dressing
room. He's swearing to God that he had
527
00:32:04,890 --> 00:32:05,890
nothing to do with it.
528
00:32:06,670 --> 00:32:07,670
Sean, you weren't in on it?
529
00:32:08,050 --> 00:32:09,870
My hands are clean. That's why I swear
to God.
530
00:32:10,290 --> 00:32:11,510
He was a bad actor.
531
00:32:12,050 --> 00:32:15,670
But one of the two was in on it that I
think.
532
00:32:15,910 --> 00:32:19,110
Sean had to be in on it. You know, at
that time, I had no idea.
533
00:32:20,150 --> 00:32:22,670
Well, now we know Sean was just putting
on an act.
534
00:32:25,420 --> 00:32:28,220
I was like this hush in the dressing
room. Everyone was kind of stunned.
535
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,640
I remember Undertaker got so mad that he
kicked over one of those big steel
536
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,280
barrels. He just slammed the door and
said something about he was going down
537
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,640
Vince's office to get a straight answer
on why they did that to me. You know,
538
00:32:39,660 --> 00:32:44,480
Vince, you've got to go over and talk to
him. Explain why you did what you did.
539
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:45,780
You've got to give him one.
540
00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:49,740
And by giving him one, if he's going to
hit you, you've got to take one.
541
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,360
Brett came out of the shower and told
Vince to get out of his...
542
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,960
dressing room and then he said he goes
he says you're still here when i get out
543
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,180
i'm gonna get dressed i'm gonna punch
you out brett finished the shower i mean
544
00:33:00,180 --> 00:33:04,600
he went back and took his sweet ass time
to finish his shower and then stood
545
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,760
right in the middle of the room waiting
for him to finish so i finished shower
546
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,740
and i come out and it's funny because i
walk out of the shower sopping wet naked
547
00:33:14,740 --> 00:33:18,560
vince did something to me along the
lines of this is the first time i ever
548
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,760
to lie to one of my talent which is such
a lie
549
00:33:21,550 --> 00:33:22,930
I remember tying my shoes.
550
00:33:24,050 --> 00:33:27,870
And I remember when I got time, my last
shoelace, I started to tie it. And I go,
551
00:33:27,890 --> 00:33:29,990
this is it. I'm going to punch out Vince
McMahon.
552
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:31,350
I can't believe I'm doing this.
553
00:33:31,650 --> 00:33:36,550
And we walked towards each other, end up
tying up just like a pro wrestling
554
00:33:36,550 --> 00:33:40,550
match. And I remember just sinking down
and kind of just turning my whole body
555
00:33:40,550 --> 00:33:46,530
and thinking 14 years and coming up
right between our arms. And I hit Vince
556
00:33:46,530 --> 00:33:50,230
McMahon with the most beautiful Mike
Tyson uppercut.
557
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,360
I popped him literally right off the
ground.
558
00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:56,120
He went straight down, out cold.
559
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:57,880
Everybody was stunned.
560
00:33:58,140 --> 00:34:01,860
No one could believe it. He was dead
silent for a while, and nobody said
561
00:34:01,860 --> 00:34:05,240
anything. And then Brett said, get out
of my dressing room. I mean, I have to
562
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,920
say that I remember Shawn Michaels.
563
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,000
He was bawling his eyes out like a baby.
And I remember thinking, I know you
564
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,820
were in on it. And he knew it. He was,
like, waiting for me to make my way over
565
00:34:14,820 --> 00:34:16,060
to him and finish him off.
566
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,960
I just tapped him on the shoulder, and I
said, Shawn, thanks for the match.
567
00:34:20,350 --> 00:34:22,710
He couldn't believe that I thanked him
for the match.
568
00:34:23,070 --> 00:34:26,370
And then he looked up at me and he just
burst into tears, like really
569
00:34:26,370 --> 00:34:30,889
blubbering. I had never to that point
heard of that much drama and backstage
570
00:34:30,889 --> 00:34:32,370
just bullshit.
571
00:34:32,730 --> 00:34:35,230
Sometimes I lost sleep over what I
should have done that day.
572
00:34:35,449 --> 00:34:39,409
Brett, you're not going to understand
this now, but Vince was trying to
573
00:34:39,409 --> 00:34:43,630
his business. It was never about not
trusting you. He didn't trust Eric.
574
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:48,530
I went to Vince's office and said, I
need to talk to you. He said, okay. I
575
00:34:48,570 --> 00:34:52,690
I'm... He said, I got a meeting with
everybody today. We'll take care of it.
576
00:34:52,690 --> 00:34:55,870
everybody down and said, what I did last
night was my call.
577
00:34:56,070 --> 00:35:00,050
It's not Earl's fault and anybody don't
like it can come to my office and I'll
578
00:35:00,050 --> 00:35:01,210
release your ass right now.
579
00:35:01,570 --> 00:35:05,430
Screw you, I was already in the makings.
They had to find somebody that would do
580
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:06,430
it.
581
00:35:06,690 --> 00:35:10,510
The conversation I had with Vince where
we really had the big heart -to -heart
582
00:35:10,510 --> 00:35:12,610
was the following Wednesday in Stanford.
583
00:35:12,850 --> 00:35:14,150
And I told him what I thought.
584
00:35:14,510 --> 00:35:17,930
Vince's reaction was, if you had known,
then you would have known.
585
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,580
You would never be able to say that you
didn't know. Shawn Michaels risked
586
00:35:21,580 --> 00:35:24,460
everything for you and for this company.
587
00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:29,380
So before you condemn Shawn Michaels,
understand what he did for you and your
588
00:35:29,380 --> 00:35:33,120
family. There were a lot of what -if
scenarios discussed the night before.
589
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:38,300
And I think that everybody believed that
at the end of the day, Vince was going
590
00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:42,800
to be able to convince Brett to drop the
championship.
591
00:35:43,140 --> 00:35:44,300
That didn't happen.
592
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:50,310
So Vince asked Jerry Briscoe to let Sean
know there was a spot in the match that
593
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:53,630
Sean, when you get him in the
sharpshooter, ring the bell.
594
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:58,170
Of all people, Bret Hart, who was raised
in the wrestling business, whose father
595
00:35:58,170 --> 00:36:02,410
was a wrestler, who went through the
code, he's the one that exposed the
596
00:36:02,410 --> 00:36:05,310
business. We're talking with Bret Hart,
the hitman today. How are you? It was
597
00:36:05,310 --> 00:36:09,470
very important to me after 14 years of
probably the most dedicated, loyal,
598
00:36:09,730 --> 00:36:12,930
hardworking service that you could ever
get out of a professional wrestler.
599
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,440
I'd given this man everything you could
ever ask for, and I made it very, very
600
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,560
clear that my character was not in any
way, shape, or form going to be
601
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,460
humiliated. Bret was telling any and
everybody that he could. He didn't lose.
602
00:36:26,460 --> 00:36:32,080
was screwed. And it was something that
Vince felt it was important to address
603
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:37,780
Monday Night Raw. Did you or did you not
screw Bret Hart? There's a time
604
00:36:37,780 --> 00:36:42,460
-honored tradition in the wrestling
business that when someone is leaving,
605
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:45,330
Did they show the right amount of
respect?
606
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:48,310
The people are like, no, we don't want
to like the rich billionaire boss.
607
00:36:48,610 --> 00:36:50,470
We liked Bret Hart. He was our hero.
608
00:36:50,670 --> 00:36:53,730
Bret Hart didn't want to honor that
tradition.
609
00:36:53,950 --> 00:36:58,550
Vince was really giving Bret Hart all
kinds of shit for not honoring the time
610
00:36:58,550 --> 00:37:02,890
-honored tradition of doing the right
thing on the way out. On TV, this didn't
611
00:37:02,890 --> 00:37:03,890
happen ever before.
612
00:37:04,590 --> 00:37:10,010
Vince, in this interview, just came
across very cold, calculated.
613
00:37:10,830 --> 00:37:17,710
and very, very heelish. I truly believe
that Bret Hart screwed Bret Hart,
614
00:37:17,850 --> 00:37:20,430
and he can look in the mirror and know
that.
615
00:37:20,690 --> 00:37:25,130
Rather than sweep this incident under
the rug, Vince capitalizes on it by
616
00:37:25,130 --> 00:37:29,910
transforming this real -life incident
into a storyline where he reinvents
617
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:33,370
himself as an evil, conniving
mastermind.
618
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:38,290
When I debuted, the fans didn't know
that Vince was the owner. He was an
619
00:37:38,290 --> 00:37:39,290
announcer.
620
00:37:39,370 --> 00:37:43,890
And then once the word got out that he
actually owns the company, he's the
621
00:37:43,890 --> 00:37:48,110
behind the throne, this and that, Vince
ran with it. Mr. McMahon is one of the
622
00:37:48,110 --> 00:37:49,990
greatest heel characters of all time,
yes.
623
00:37:50,270 --> 00:37:54,310
I mean, you've heard arenas full of
people chant, asshole, asshole.
624
00:37:56,750 --> 00:38:02,830
If they had done it right, everybody
prospered. Shawn Michaels became the WWF
625
00:38:02,830 --> 00:38:06,030
champion off a big win. Vince McMahon
became...
626
00:38:06,460 --> 00:38:11,200
the catalyst to the evil empire of Mr.
McMahon, and they handed the hottest
627
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:16,660
wrestler in the world, Bret Hart, to
WCW, and they dropped that ball.
628
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,980
In the aftermath of the Montreal
Screwjob, wrestling changed forever.
629
00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:29,720
The fourth wall had fallen, and Vince
McMahon's villainous character would
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00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:34,340
propel his company into the stratosphere
while Bret Hart would make his
631
00:38:34,340 --> 00:38:35,340
lackluster debut.
632
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:36,910
In WCW.
633
00:38:37,210 --> 00:38:41,970
You know, if you look at how Bret Hart
even came to WCW and how they launched
634
00:38:41,970 --> 00:38:46,030
the very first day. Why don't we bring
the man out that's going to referee this
635
00:38:46,030 --> 00:38:47,950
match? I remember like, referee?
636
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:49,310
It's so lame.
637
00:38:49,350 --> 00:38:50,890
Like, such a lame way to bring me in.
638
00:38:51,310 --> 00:38:52,310
Is that what you want?
639
00:38:52,970 --> 00:38:57,810
Referee. Eric Bischoff was an imbecile
trying to run wrestling. He didn't have
640
00:38:57,810 --> 00:38:59,210
any idea about how to run wrestling.
641
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,280
I have to take some responsibility in
the fact that there may have been better
642
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,300
ways to bring Brett in.
643
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,980
I would be honored to be the referee.
644
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,820
But at the same time, we'll never know
that because the plans that we did have
645
00:39:13,820 --> 00:39:18,360
for Brett were executed so piss poorly
because of his just detachment from it
646
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,520
all. He didn't get over in WCW with zero
impact.
647
00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:22,860
Hey, Bishop!
648
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,640
At the WCW, I quit.
649
00:39:28,940 --> 00:39:32,320
I think the legacy of the Montreal
Screwjob is that nobody knows if it was
650
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,300
really a screwjob or not. I happen to
believe it was the real deal.
651
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:41,820
To me, I feel the same way now seeing
him back as I did the first time I saw
652
00:39:41,820 --> 00:39:42,820
It's a total work.
653
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,460
Everybody was in on it, and they all did
it together.
654
00:39:46,660 --> 00:39:48,040
Now look at Brett's face.
655
00:39:48,780 --> 00:39:50,360
He doesn't look too shocked to me.
656
00:39:51,020 --> 00:39:54,960
You're going to spit on Vince and then
the truck is going to go tight on Vince,
657
00:39:55,020 --> 00:39:57,780
go tight on Vince, get Vince wiping the
loogie out of his eye.
658
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,700
Vince has been in the TV business his
whole life.
659
00:40:01,140 --> 00:40:03,180
Nothing's going to happen without his
consent.
660
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,260
Everybody knows you're leaving.
661
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:11,560
You're going to stand in what's now your
opposition's ring on a global broadcast
662
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:16,080
and you're going to motion the call
signs of your competitor.
663
00:40:16,570 --> 00:40:20,610
If that's not okayed by a big boss, in
my mind, they're going to cut away from
664
00:40:20,610 --> 00:40:24,490
that. I mean, I've never discussed it
with Sean. You know, I wasn't there, and
665
00:40:24,490 --> 00:40:25,850
didn't ask guys who were there.
666
00:40:26,250 --> 00:40:31,510
Watching it as an educated fan, I would
say it was a complete collaboration by
667
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:32,510
all parties.
668
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:34,090
That's all I got to say about that.
669
00:40:34,850 --> 00:40:40,150
People do say it was a work, and Brett
was in on it. No, man, this is the way
670
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:41,790
this piece of history went down.
671
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:46,050
Conspiracy theorists will always be
conspiracy theorists.
672
00:40:46,510 --> 00:40:50,370
But unfortunately, sometimes when people
want more of a story to be there that
673
00:40:50,370 --> 00:40:54,970
just isn't there, they try to create it.
When we did an interview with Scott
674
00:40:54,970 --> 00:40:59,470
Hall, he believes that the Montreal
Screwjob is this very scripted sort of
675
00:40:59,470 --> 00:41:01,590
thing. He's not one of them too, is he?
676
00:41:04,570 --> 00:41:09,130
I'm sorry, it's ludicrous that Scott
Hall would say that he didn't talk to
677
00:41:09,130 --> 00:41:13,030
Michaels about this. I know they all
talk to each other about everything, but
678
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:15,010
especially about this. Why wouldn't
they?
679
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,600
I will tell anybody to their face that
thinks that this was a work.
680
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,260
You are a dumb, stupid.
681
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,540
These are death threats. I've gotten a
bunch of them.
682
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,400
But these were some of the most creative
and some of the most picturesque. So I
683
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,379
framed these.
684
00:41:28,380 --> 00:41:31,800
Get by the ring one more time. You make
a target under those lights. You won't
685
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,180
know where it comes from. Bye bye.
686
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,720
They pulled it all off because I trusted
the referee.
687
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,000
Poor Earl.
688
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:40,500
He's just a little.
689
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:46,160
I feel so bad for him. To put that on
him was such a rotten thing to do.
690
00:41:46,420 --> 00:41:49,020
For the last 15 years, it's been the
shit.
691
00:41:49,420 --> 00:41:52,280
There's always a chance in any arena
that you screw Brett.
692
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:55,780
We never talked for a long, long time,
many years.
693
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,940
Even though Brett and I are friends now,
this is still upsetting.
694
00:42:01,620 --> 00:42:05,680
I guess you can tell I'm kind of
breaking down a little bit, but it's
695
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,440
that will be with me forever.
696
00:42:07,980 --> 00:42:11,140
A lot of people will say, hey, it was
their idea, all the way from Vince Russo
697
00:42:11,140 --> 00:42:14,360
to Jim Cornette to Triple H to Shawn to
me.
698
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,600
You know, we all said it.
699
00:42:16,980 --> 00:42:21,220
The Montreal Screwjob is remembered all
kinds of different ways by all kinds of
700
00:42:21,220 --> 00:42:25,220
different people. For the fans, it was
like one of the first big behind -the
701
00:42:25,220 --> 00:42:29,440
-scenes things that exploded, and they
heard about and they realized that there
702
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,080
was more intrigue in the locker room and
in the boardroom than there sometimes
703
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,080
was in the ring.
704
00:42:34,490 --> 00:42:37,870
As soon as you start doing that, as soon
as you don't believe it's real anymore,
705
00:42:37,970 --> 00:42:39,270
it's not really worth watching.
706
00:42:39,730 --> 00:42:43,390
That's the way that people feel when
they lose faith in their hero.
707
00:42:44,350 --> 00:42:48,750
That's when you lose people in wrestling
because they believed in the people
708
00:42:48,750 --> 00:42:52,210
involved. Even if they didn't always
believe all the action, they believed in
709
00:42:52,210 --> 00:42:53,210
the people.
710
00:42:53,330 --> 00:42:59,850
I take a lot of pride, almost ridiculous
pride in being the wrestler that I was.
711
00:43:00,430 --> 00:43:03,150
I believe that I was the guy that
reinforced.
712
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:09,040
wrestling aspect of of the wrestling
show and that's what i'd like to be
713
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:15,380
remembered for the reality of the
situation is is that if two guys
714
00:43:15,380 --> 00:43:21,900
just could have you know could have got
over themselves well
715
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:27,380
we wouldn't be sitting here today any
final thoughts on like jim i've ignored
716
00:43:27,380 --> 00:43:34,260
him for years and it's on and on It's my
personal enjoyment at this
717
00:43:34,260 --> 00:43:38,860
advanced age to remind everybody at
every opportunity that he's a liar. It's
718
00:43:38,860 --> 00:43:39,839
freaking wrestling.
719
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,340
It means nothing.
720
00:43:41,780 --> 00:43:47,620
I will live to piss on his grave. Even
if I'm in a walker, my wife already has
721
00:43:47,620 --> 00:43:50,660
instructions, she's out of the will. If
she doesn't get me there, if I'm not
722
00:43:50,660 --> 00:43:54,520
ambulatory, I'll find Vince Russo's
grave and I will piss on it and there
723
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,500
be a picture of that hanging on my wall
when I pass away. And hate is a hell of
724
00:43:58,500 --> 00:43:59,500
a motivator.
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