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It's very much like
the movie "Clue."
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There were four people
in the house that night.
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79 minutes later,
one person is dead
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and three people
are saying "not me."
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What happened to 32
year old Robert Wone,
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the prominent Asian American
attorney found stabbed
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{\an8}inside his friend's house
late Wednesday night.
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{\an8}When I first walked in,
the three guys that were
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in the house, Joe Price, Dylan
Ward and Victor Zaborsky,
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they had white robes on.
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On the nightstand was the knife
from a knife set in the kitchen.
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There's just a little bit
of blood on the pullout bed.
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I remember thinking there's
something wrong here.
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Where's the rest of it?
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All the homicide detectives
were looking through it
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with homophobic lenses.
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"You're in a three-way
relationship,
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you're a freak, who else
would have done it but you?"
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{\an8}He went to school with Robert.
Joe was at his wedding.
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Joe threw a surprise
party for him.
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What was his motive?
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We have a victim
with inexplicable
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needle puncture marks,
no defensive wounds,
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and three perfect, almost
surgical-like defects.
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Our own theory was he had
to be alive, paralyzed.
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When we were searchin'
Dylan's room,
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we found hundreds and
hundreds of sexual devices.
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The medical examiner
performed a rape kit.
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She found semen around his
genitalia and inside his rectum.
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An intruder doesn't incapacitate
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and sexually assault somebody
and stabbed them three times,
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all unbeknown to the
three guys who live there.
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We get the DNA results back.
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It turns out it's
Robert's own semen.
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For the prosecution,
Glenn's job is linear.
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It's vertical.
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It's to build.
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Four people in the
house, one person dead.
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We think these guys did it.
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This is the motive.
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This is the murder weapon.
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And it just builds and builds.
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As the defense,
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our job is nothing
but utter destruction.
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We just rip it apart.
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Bernie's a worthy adversary.
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Bernie's job is to pick apart
one piece of evidence here,
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one piece of evidence there.
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And that's what
defense attorneys do.
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My job as a prosecutor,
you put it together
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and you see what
picture emerges.
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There is no perfect crime,
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but this is about as close
to a perfect cover-up
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as I have ever seen.
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The body of attorney Robert Wone
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was found stabbed to death
inside his friend's home.
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Police say someone
broke into this rowhouse
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and fatally stabbed 32
year old Robert Wone.
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A high-profile murder case that
turned a Dupont Circle townhouse
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into the center of a mystery.
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The murder has been the
talk of D.C. for years.
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Detectives believe Robert
was sexually assaulted
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and then murdered.
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Three D.C. men
accused of covering up
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the murder of their
friend Robert Wone.
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Four guys in the house,
one guy ends up dead,
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the other three say,
"I didn't do it."
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It's quite a mystery
we got in here.
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The big question is,
who killed Robert Wone?
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So it is now four or five
days after the murder.
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We believe Robert
was incapacitated
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when he was stabbed,
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{\an8}and we know he had his own semen
inside his own anal cavity.
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{\an8}I remember thinking,
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{\an8}You've gotta be
fuckin' kiddin' me.
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{\an8}We have semen,
and it's Robert's.
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The mystery was, how did the
semen get into his rectum?
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{\an8}Was it inserted there
for one reason or another
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{\an8}by someone who may have
sexually assaulted him?
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Who does it implicate?
Who does it exonerate?
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These are now the investigative
paths we have to go down
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to try to figure out
what happened to Robert.
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If Robert was involved
in sexual activity
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or if he was forcibly raped,
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you would see that
at the autopsy.
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None of that was found.
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But his semen was
found inside him.
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How does that happen?
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So now we begin to consider
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all of the fairly
sophisticated S&M equipment
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in Dylan's bedroom.
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One of the things that we
found in Dylan's room was
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a pulse electric TENS machine.
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The ErosTek electro
stimulator device
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{\an8}designed to force
stimulate ejaculation.
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Well, now, perhaps
that's related
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to the fact that we
found Robert's semen
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inside his own anal cavity.
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Then the question is, after
Robert's semen got on him,
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was one of the sexual devices
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used to put Robert's
semen in him?
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It just sort of sends
the investigation off
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into a stratosphere
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where we're not all that
comfortable operating.
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{\an8}You can't ejaculate
unless you want to.
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{\an8}It has to be some
desire to be excited.
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You can't stick some mechanical
device onto your testicles
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and say, okay, now I feel good.
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He could have
masturbated, I don't know.
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But at the end of the day,
there is no DNA of Robert Wone
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found on any of the
sex toys, period.
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Another one of Glenn's
dead-end theories.
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What... what's the relevance
of Robert having his own semen
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in his own rectum?
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I have no idea how
that even happened.
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It was another one of those
missing pieces of the puzzle.
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Now, we're trying
to find something
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that was going to reveal a clue.
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So, we got a search warrant
for all the computers.
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All you had to do was
go to the basic history
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and find just thousands and
thousands of images of porn.
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There was a significant
amount of their own images
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that Joe and Dylan created.
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It was a lot of bondage and S&M.
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If you asked anybody, Joe's
in charge in everyday life.
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Well, Joe was not in
charge in the bedroom,
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it was clearly Dylan.
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We learned that Dylan was
the dom and Joe was the sub.
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{\an8}BDSM relationships are
not designed to be equal.
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Dylan had a lot of power,
certainly in the bedroom.
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To find out what specifically
this BDSM relationship
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was between Joe and
Dylan is very important.
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Could you take that
to the next level?
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"I killed this person and
you will shut up about it."
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Is that the next level?
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The BDSM stuff is consensual.
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If I'm gay and I
have two partners
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and we have all sorts of dildos
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and electronic things
we attach to each other,
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you're gonna think
I murdered somebody?
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It's preposterous.
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Everybody is entitled
to do whatever they want
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as consenting adults,
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but when you have somebody
dead in your guest room
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who apparently has been
either sexually assaulted
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or involved in sexual
activity of this nature,
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you have to explore all
these possibilities.
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We did a lot of research
looking for something
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that would tip us off.
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We discovered Joe's
online profile.
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Joe's profile was
on the particular
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kind of sex site, ALT.com.
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Activities enjoyed:
electro torture,
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EMS TENS unit,
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bondage, masochism,
master/slave, handcuffs,
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shackles, humiliation,
sensory deprivation,
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power exchange,
rack/medieval devices.
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The S&M relationship
between Joe and Dylan
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was not dress up in
leather and harnesses.
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It was inflicting pain, it
was caging in confinement.
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It tended more
towards the extreme.
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In Dylan's room, we found cases
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and cases of different
restraints and devices
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to hold another person down.
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If there was a way to restrain
Robert without injuries,
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I think Dylan and Joe
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were probably the guys
to know how to do it.
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They've got all these
torture devices.
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Why should it stop there?
Do you go a little farther
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and accidentally or
intentionally kill somebody?
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The assumption he was tortured,
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Where's the evidence
of that? None.
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There would had
been ligature marks
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tied around his
wrists like this,
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or on his neck, legs, ankles...
They found none of those.
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If Robert wasn't tortured,
the other side of the coin,
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or an alternative
theory was that
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Robert was a willing participant
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in a bondage,
sadomasochistic relationship,
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and something went wrong.
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I asked Mr. Price
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every conceivable
question under the sun.
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Did you make passes at Robert?
Did he make passes at you?
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Did he say, Hey, what is
this type of sex like?
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Did he come over to your
house because he was hiding it
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from Kathy?
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Everything. If I haven't
asked it, tell me.
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Mr. Price told me
the exact same thing,
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that he told investigators.
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{\an8}Married men sometimes
have a fling
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{\an8}with somebody of the same sex.
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{\an8}That's not unusual.
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Whether Robert Wone was agreeing
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to engage in a fantasy scene
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or an S&M role-playing scenario
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that got out of hand and
someone lost control,
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we don't know.
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Do I believe that Robert
went over there for that?
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Absolutely not.
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There would be some
type of evidence to show
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that he wanted to experiment
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or he was bisexual
or gay or whatever.
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There was nothing.
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He had computers.
He had a phone.
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There was nobody that came out
of the woodwork after the fact.
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There was another curious
piece of the puzzle:
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among Dr. Goslinoski's findings
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was that Robert
had his night guard
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in his mouth.
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His wife, Kathy, said the
last thing he did every night
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after he brushed his teeth,
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he would put his mouth guard
in and he would go to sleep.
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So if you have people who are
theorizing that Robert was there
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to partake in some kind
of sexual activity,
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why would his mouth
guard be in his mouth?
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Who has sex with
a mouth guard in?
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As the investigation
is unfolding,
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the toxicology results come in.
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You had the question,
was Robert drugged
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by one or others inside
the house that night?
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Now, remember, we have a victim
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with inexplicable
needle puncture marks,
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no defensive wounds,
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and three perfect, almost
surgical like defects.
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All of that suggested
he was unable to move.
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The chief toxicologist for
the District of Columbia
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runs a battery of tests...
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Opioids, cocaine,
phencyclidine...
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Drugs of abuse that
can be associated with
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people losing consciousness.
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After the autopsy findings,
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{\an8}we were waiting for these
toxicology results to come back.
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We were looking for substances
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that would render a person
immobile or unconscious.
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We have witness testimony
that says that Joe and Dylan
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did use different drugs.
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We found ecstasy at the scene.
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Our own theory was
Joe's online screen name
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was short for ketamine.
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When that report came back...
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The results were negative.
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Clean.
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Now, they didn't test for
paralytics like succinylcholine,
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the most common
paralytic anesthetic
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used in the medical practice.
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But a tox screen
would not disclose
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if Robert had been injected
with succinylcholine
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because it naturally
breaks down into compounds
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that occur in the human body.
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Substances like succinylcholine
251
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have this pattern of metabolism
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that makes them undetectable
after a period of time.
253
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It doesn't necessarily mean
that they were not used.
254
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It just means that we can't
prove that they were used.
255
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One of the theories
run up the flagpole
256
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was that Robert
was incapacitated.
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If there's a paralytic drug,
they would have found it.
258
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Look at the autopsy report,
there's no sign of it.
259
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It's defeated scientifically
260
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by the government's
own pathologist.
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None of it seems to make sense
because there's no evidence
262
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that they have that
Robert was drugged
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and then sexually assaulted.
264
00:14:42,507 --> 00:14:46,797
But there's evidence that
something very strange and wrong
265
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happened inside that house.
266
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You go down all these paths,
267
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you still come back
to the same questions.
268
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Was sexual assault part of what
happened that night or not?
269
00:14:57,689 --> 00:14:59,569
How did the semen
get into his rectum?
270
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Was Roberts shot up with
some sort of paralytic agent?
271
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And why didn't Robert
react after he was stabbed?
272
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And then you have to try
and cram everything into
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a 79-minute timeline.
274
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That's what makes the
story so maddening.
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It's so convoluted,
276
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so confusing, so confounding.
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Nothing adds up.
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It's an Escher drawing.
279
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You get to the top
of the stairway...
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you actually find
out it's going down.
281
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The funeral was a Tuesday.
282
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{\an8}The family asked me to deliver
a eulogy at the funeral.
283
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{\an8}So this is the
eulogy that I wrote.
284
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"Robert has been a friend
of mine since college.
285
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Robert said he
wanted to be a lawyer
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because he wanted to make a
difference in public policies.
287
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And see the effects
of his efforts
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improving the situation
of people around him.
289
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As those of us today
can all attest,
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Robert achieved his goals.
291
00:16:13,348 --> 00:16:15,307
Robert and Kathy have a
warm, loving marriage.
292
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There is no doubt Robert
continues to love her today
293
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from his place in heaven."
294
00:16:25,985 --> 00:16:28,565
{\an8}I have no relationship
with Joe, Victor and Dylan,
295
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{\an8}so I was suspected for
them from the beginning.
296
00:16:31,324 --> 00:16:34,203
But I remember that Kathy
still really thought
297
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that the guys were
also victims in this.
298
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She was still at a point where
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she believed their story.
300
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I was more on board with Kathy
301
00:16:45,213 --> 00:16:47,423
and wanting to believe
the best people
302
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that had been our friends,
303
00:16:49,300 --> 00:16:51,385
{\an8}but by the time of the funeral,
304
00:16:51,386 --> 00:16:55,136
{\an8}it was clear that there
was something wrong.
305
00:16:55,140 --> 00:16:58,180
Kathy Wone knew that Joe Price
306
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{\an8}was a close friend
of her husband's,
307
00:17:00,729 --> 00:17:05,229
and Joe Price is a pallbearer
at Robert's funeral.
308
00:17:05,233 --> 00:17:08,527
I was standing across
the casket from Joe.
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I said, So how are you sleeping?
310
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And he just buried his
head, he didn't respond.
311
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We heard Joe was playing the
victim card at the funeral.
312
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{\an8}There was a receiving line
for Kathy and the Wone family.
313
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And Joe had his own receiving
line to accept condolences.
314
00:17:37,057 --> 00:17:40,557
I remember standing in the
lobby kind of greeting people
315
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and saw the detectives come in.
316
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I knew something was odd.
317
00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:47,730
How many times do
detectives go to funerals?
318
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We're about one week
into the investigation.
319
00:17:57,911 --> 00:18:00,581
After we hit a dead end on
the sexual assault angle,
320
00:18:00,582 --> 00:18:04,249
{\an8}we turned our attention back to
the first piece of the puzzle.
321
00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:06,750
Where is the missing blood?
322
00:18:06,753 --> 00:18:11,215
No blood on his body, almost
no blood on the scene.
323
00:18:11,216 --> 00:18:13,086
Everybody who set
foot in that house
324
00:18:13,093 --> 00:18:17,179
other than these three guys
could tell you intuitively
325
00:18:17,180 --> 00:18:19,098
this is an orchestration.
326
00:18:19,099 --> 00:18:24,519
We needed to try to prove that
blood had been cleaned up.
327
00:18:24,521 --> 00:18:27,400
It was a theory that Robert
wasn't stabbed inside that room.
328
00:18:27,401 --> 00:18:29,729
Maybe it happened somewhere
else in the house.
329
00:18:29,734 --> 00:18:33,987
Maybe Robert's body was cleaned
up and then put back in the bed.
330
00:18:33,988 --> 00:18:37,198
{\an8}If you rewind back to
the way the scene was,
331
00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,490
it looked like it was staged.
332
00:18:42,372 --> 00:18:45,460
He was just stabbed three
times: where's the blood?
333
00:18:45,461 --> 00:18:48,127
You kind of come up with
these theories like it had
334
00:18:48,128 --> 00:18:50,128
to have happened somewhere else.
335
00:18:50,130 --> 00:18:52,840
So you start looking
at other places.
336
00:18:52,841 --> 00:18:55,300
And we had the K-9 crew come in.
337
00:18:55,301 --> 00:18:59,221
Cadaver dogs are trained
to alert on either
338
00:18:59,222 --> 00:19:02,522
decaying human skin
cells or blood.
339
00:19:05,186 --> 00:19:08,516
They hit on two locations.
340
00:19:08,523 --> 00:19:11,900
One was the lint
trap of the dryer,
341
00:19:11,901 --> 00:19:15,487
indicating that human
skin cells, blood,
342
00:19:15,488 --> 00:19:19,488
may have cycled through
that part of the dryer.
343
00:19:19,492 --> 00:19:24,204
The dog also alerted on
the rear stairwell drain.
344
00:19:24,205 --> 00:19:30,294
Okay, did they clean something
off downstairs in the drain?
345
00:19:30,295 --> 00:19:33,795
But we can't find
concrete evidence.
346
00:19:33,798 --> 00:19:38,008
What happens is once that
blood goes down into the drain
347
00:19:38,011 --> 00:19:39,928
and it mixes with water,
348
00:19:39,929 --> 00:19:41,849
it makes it unlikely
that you'll be able
349
00:19:41,850 --> 00:19:47,808
to pull enough of a DNA sample
to develop a DNA profile.
350
00:19:47,812 --> 00:19:52,608
We couldn't quite get there,
but the dog did alert.
351
00:19:52,609 --> 00:19:55,444
The dog gives a positive
scent in a drain...
352
00:19:55,445 --> 00:19:57,445
Don't get me started on that.
353
00:19:57,447 --> 00:20:00,737
{\an8}One theory is,
Robert gets stabbed
354
00:20:00,742 --> 00:20:04,620
{\an8}and they waited to stage and
clean up the crime scene.
355
00:20:04,621 --> 00:20:07,831
There's no Clorox,
there's no Mr. Clean.
356
00:20:07,832 --> 00:20:12,544
There is zero evidence after
a complete investigation
357
00:20:12,545 --> 00:20:15,875
that cleaning agents
were used in that home.
358
00:20:15,882 --> 00:20:18,634
The bottom line is
there's no blood.
359
00:20:18,635 --> 00:20:21,595
If there was evidence,
they would have found it.
360
00:20:28,687 --> 00:20:31,227
The police needed to see
if they could find blood
361
00:20:31,231 --> 00:20:34,817
{\an8}elsewhere in the house, and
they searched extensively.
362
00:20:34,818 --> 00:20:39,988
{\an8}And at one point they used a
reagent called Ashley's reagent.
363
00:20:41,700 --> 00:20:44,740
It's a chemical used to
search for latent blood,
364
00:20:44,744 --> 00:20:46,912
blood that had been cleaned up.
365
00:20:46,913 --> 00:20:48,751
So we're going to bring
in all these chemicals
366
00:20:48,752 --> 00:20:51,878
and we're going to spray the
place down and figure out
367
00:20:51,879 --> 00:20:57,046
where the blood is that
was hidden or cleaned up.
368
00:20:57,048 --> 00:20:58,718
At first blush, we thought
369
00:20:58,719 --> 00:21:02,797
that they got positive
results all over the place.
370
00:21:04,848 --> 00:21:08,434
And what Glenn calls
the big ticket mistake
371
00:21:08,435 --> 00:21:11,395
is that they applied it in a way
372
00:21:11,396 --> 00:21:14,226
that was not on the directions,
373
00:21:14,232 --> 00:21:16,650
and it was botched.
374
00:21:16,651 --> 00:21:20,738
I spoke to the guy who
invented Ashley's reagent.
375
00:21:20,739 --> 00:21:23,489
You do not apply it
to vertical surfaces
376
00:21:23,491 --> 00:21:27,911
because it will drip and
it'll obliterate blood stains.
377
00:21:27,912 --> 00:21:31,622
But they sprayed it on the
walls and you cannot get it off.
378
00:21:31,624 --> 00:21:34,134
It's like the dye that
blows up on your hands
379
00:21:34,135 --> 00:21:36,295
when you rob a bank.
380
00:21:36,296 --> 00:21:39,214
The great Ashley's
reagent debacle,
381
00:21:39,215 --> 00:21:41,505
yeah, we definitely took a hit.
382
00:21:41,509 --> 00:21:43,639
There were mistakes
made by the detectives,
383
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,926
by the evidence
technicians, by myself.
384
00:21:48,058 --> 00:21:50,848
Unfortunately, if it
was applied correctly,
385
00:21:50,852 --> 00:21:54,938
they may have found blood
elsewhere in the house.
386
00:21:54,939 --> 00:21:57,024
They blew it.
387
00:21:57,025 --> 00:22:00,444
Glenn's theory was they moved
the body and put it in the bed.
388
00:22:00,445 --> 00:22:02,855
The government
took 280 samples...
389
00:22:02,864 --> 00:22:05,449
The wall, the
stairs, the carpet.
390
00:22:05,450 --> 00:22:07,200
They had the house
for three weeks,
391
00:22:07,202 --> 00:22:12,122
did in excess of a quarter of
a million dollars in damage.
392
00:22:12,123 --> 00:22:14,173
Not a single bloodstain.
393
00:22:21,549 --> 00:22:24,339
We're a couple weeks into
it now at this point.
394
00:22:24,344 --> 00:22:28,889
This case is more of what we
don't know than what we do now.
395
00:22:28,890 --> 00:22:31,350
After the sexual assault angle
396
00:22:31,351 --> 00:22:33,851
failed to identify
any perpetrator,
397
00:22:33,853 --> 00:22:38,232
and after the search for the
missing blood was a bust,
398
00:22:38,233 --> 00:22:41,527
the information about
the knife took us down
399
00:22:41,528 --> 00:22:44,608
a new investigative path.
400
00:22:44,614 --> 00:22:47,574
The knife had been sent
to a lab for analysis.
401
00:22:47,575 --> 00:22:49,485
Once the forensic
results are in,
402
00:22:49,494 --> 00:22:54,039
we learn a few really
interesting things.
403
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,710
Joe's already told the
police that he touched it.
404
00:23:04,509 --> 00:23:06,218
But once they
examine that knife,
405
00:23:06,219 --> 00:23:08,429
they don't find a trace of DNA
406
00:23:08,430 --> 00:23:12,680
or fingerprints that can point
to anybody inside the house.
407
00:23:12,684 --> 00:23:15,894
And then Glenn was told
by the forensic examiners
408
00:23:15,895 --> 00:23:19,395
that those wounds don't match
409
00:23:19,399 --> 00:23:21,734
the size of the knife.
410
00:23:21,735 --> 00:23:24,315
The blade was about five,
411
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,610
or five and a half
inches in length.
412
00:23:26,614 --> 00:23:28,699
And yet the depth of the wounds
413
00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:32,910
{\an8}were about four and a
half inches, give or take.
414
00:23:32,912 --> 00:23:36,582
So how do you stab a
victim three times?
415
00:23:36,583 --> 00:23:39,293
But make sure you don't
insert that last inch
416
00:23:39,294 --> 00:23:43,922
up to the hilt of the knife
into the victim's body?
417
00:23:43,923 --> 00:23:47,259
The other suspicious thing
is there was white fibers
418
00:23:47,260 --> 00:23:49,595
that were on the knife
419
00:23:49,596 --> 00:23:52,014
and were consistent
with the towel
420
00:23:52,015 --> 00:23:56,975
that Joe claimed to have
used to stop the bleeding.
421
00:24:01,483 --> 00:24:05,444
I believe that towel, with
almost minute quantities
422
00:24:05,445 --> 00:24:08,275
of blood on it, was not applied
423
00:24:08,281 --> 00:24:11,911
the way they had been
instructed by the 911 operator.
424
00:24:16,539 --> 00:24:19,875
There were looped
pattern impressions
425
00:24:19,876 --> 00:24:25,796
consistent with the towel found
in the blood on the knife blade.
426
00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:28,299
How does the fibers
from the towel
427
00:24:28,301 --> 00:24:30,678
get on the murder weapon
428
00:24:30,679 --> 00:24:33,889
that's sitting on the end table?
429
00:24:33,890 --> 00:24:36,890
There was no blood on the
cutting surface of the knife.
430
00:24:36,893 --> 00:24:41,647
It appeared that somebody
had taken a cotton towel,
431
00:24:41,648 --> 00:24:47,108
dipped it in blood, and then
applied the blood to the knife.
432
00:24:47,112 --> 00:24:52,616
There were also three cuts
to Robert's gray T-shirt
433
00:24:52,617 --> 00:24:54,076
that loosely corresponded
434
00:24:54,077 --> 00:24:56,827
to where the three stab
wounds were on his torso.
435
00:24:56,830 --> 00:25:01,709
There was an absence
of gray fibers
436
00:25:01,710 --> 00:25:04,336
from the T-shirt on the knife.
437
00:25:04,337 --> 00:25:07,297
In my opinion, the only
reasonable conclusion:
438
00:25:07,298 --> 00:25:10,338
that was not the knife
used to kill Robert.
439
00:25:10,343 --> 00:25:12,893
That was the plant knife.
440
00:25:16,891 --> 00:25:21,151
We discovered there was also
a knife set in Dylan's room.
441
00:25:23,231 --> 00:25:25,858
There is a three-piece
cutlery set,
442
00:25:25,859 --> 00:25:28,609
not in the kitchen,
but in Dylan's bedroom.
443
00:25:28,611 --> 00:25:32,364
It's where I keep all my good
cutlery, is in my bedroom.
444
00:25:32,365 --> 00:25:36,615
Carving knife, carving
fork, smaller knife.
445
00:25:36,619 --> 00:25:39,749
And the smaller
knife is missing.
446
00:25:41,124 --> 00:25:43,044
And it's a knife that
had a shorter blade,
447
00:25:43,045 --> 00:25:47,046
more consistent with the
depth of those wounds
448
00:25:47,047 --> 00:25:49,506
than the knife we found
on the nightstand.
449
00:25:49,507 --> 00:25:52,387
Come on, now. You don't
need to be Sherlock Holmes.
450
00:25:52,388 --> 00:25:55,595
Put all that together.
451
00:25:55,597 --> 00:25:58,177
A knife set with
one missing knife.
452
00:25:58,183 --> 00:26:03,771
Was that the knife that
was used to stab Robert?
453
00:26:03,772 --> 00:26:07,282
The detectives never did
find the missing knife.
454
00:26:09,611 --> 00:26:11,611
So if it was a plant knife,
455
00:26:11,613 --> 00:26:14,823
did somebody inside that house
that night go down to the block
456
00:26:14,824 --> 00:26:17,084
in the kitchen, grab
it, come back up,
457
00:26:17,085 --> 00:26:19,827
put it inside a towel
filled with blood
458
00:26:19,829 --> 00:26:22,667
and wipe the knife and
then lay it where it was?
459
00:26:22,668 --> 00:26:26,245
Did somebody else take the real
knife, go out of the house,
460
00:26:26,252 --> 00:26:30,339
dispose of the knife somewhere
that they couldn't find it?
461
00:26:30,340 --> 00:26:32,758
Well, what happened?
462
00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:34,839
That's an open question.
463
00:26:42,936 --> 00:26:44,556
A few months after the murder,
464
00:26:44,562 --> 00:26:48,022
Joe, Victor and Dylan aren't
living at Swann Street anymore.
465
00:26:48,024 --> 00:26:49,280
We get a report that
466
00:26:49,281 --> 00:26:51,355
Swann Street has
been burglarized.
467
00:26:51,361 --> 00:26:54,991
That ends up getting reported
not by Joe, Victor and Dylan,
468
00:26:54,992 --> 00:27:00,285
{\an8}but by Dylan's
lawyer... Curious...
469
00:27:00,286 --> 00:27:03,246
It turns out Joe's
brother Michael Price,
470
00:27:03,248 --> 00:27:08,038
comes in and apparently takes
the flat screen TVs, pawns them.
471
00:27:08,044 --> 00:27:10,554
{\an8}You know, of course, we're
looking at each other
472
00:27:10,555 --> 00:27:12,917
{\an8}like this is absolutely absurd.
473
00:27:12,924 --> 00:27:16,218
The charges get dropped,
but we come to learn
474
00:27:16,219 --> 00:27:21,929
that Michael Price had a key
to the house on Swann Street.
475
00:27:21,933 --> 00:27:24,893
When Joe Price was
interrogated by the detectives,
476
00:27:24,894 --> 00:27:27,444
they asked him,
who else has a key?
477
00:27:37,657 --> 00:27:42,197
I believe he withheld from
them that Michael had a key.
478
00:27:42,203 --> 00:27:45,713
Why are you hiding that from
the detectives in the immediate
479
00:27:45,714 --> 00:27:49,917
aftermath of your friend
being murdered in your home?
480
00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:55,129
Then we find that Michael Price
is attending college at night,
481
00:27:55,133 --> 00:27:58,052
studying to be a phlebotomist,
somebody who draws blood.
482
00:27:58,053 --> 00:28:01,055
He has access to
Holy Cross Hospital,
483
00:28:01,056 --> 00:28:04,056
where I believe he can
easily get his hands
484
00:28:04,059 --> 00:28:06,099
on... what? paralytics,
485
00:28:06,102 --> 00:28:07,442
including succinylcholine,
486
00:28:07,443 --> 00:28:09,855
the most common
paralytic anesthetic,
487
00:28:09,856 --> 00:28:12,026
which you can pick
up off any crash cart
488
00:28:12,027 --> 00:28:14,355
in any hospital in the country.
489
00:28:14,361 --> 00:28:17,738
He was a phlebotomist. It's
a person who draws blood.
490
00:28:17,739 --> 00:28:20,529
He doesn't inject
paralytic drugs.
491
00:28:20,533 --> 00:28:21,871
Yes, he did have a key.
492
00:28:21,872 --> 00:28:24,078
But was there anything
connecting him
493
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:25,749
to the night of the murder?
494
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:28,374
They had no evidence like that.
495
00:28:28,375 --> 00:28:30,125
On August 2, 2006,
496
00:28:30,126 --> 00:28:32,876
Michael, even though he
had perfect attendance,
497
00:28:32,879 --> 00:28:36,298
{\an8}didn't show up for class.
498
00:28:36,299 --> 00:28:41,136
He attends every single class
until the night of the murder.
499
00:28:41,137 --> 00:28:44,556
That's the first
class he misses.
500
00:28:44,557 --> 00:28:48,894
So, where is Michael
the night of the murder?
501
00:28:48,895 --> 00:28:51,814
Turns out Brian Wade
tracked his phone
502
00:28:51,815 --> 00:28:56,435
and determined that phone was
nowhere near 1509 Swann Street.
503
00:28:56,444 --> 00:28:58,414
People turn off their
phones and commit crimes
504
00:28:58,415 --> 00:29:03,075
where they leave them behind
because they want an alibi.
505
00:29:03,076 --> 00:29:04,986
It's just speculation.
506
00:29:04,994 --> 00:29:07,164
But then you go, well,
what's the motive?
507
00:29:07,165 --> 00:29:11,291
Michael had an alibi that
they could not refute.
508
00:29:11,292 --> 00:29:14,837
{\an8}Michael Price's partner
told investigators
509
00:29:14,838 --> 00:29:16,298
{\an8}that Michael was with him
510
00:29:16,299 --> 00:29:19,675
{\an8}on the night of
Robert Wone's death.
511
00:29:19,676 --> 00:29:22,216
Again, they had no evidence,
512
00:29:22,220 --> 00:29:24,847
Glenn was running
out of theories.
513
00:29:24,848 --> 00:29:28,017
What's the next magical
act? I mean, who did it now?
514
00:29:28,018 --> 00:29:31,348
Pretty soon they're
just going to blame me.
515
00:29:31,354 --> 00:29:34,690
To say that Joe's brother
burglarized the house.
516
00:29:34,691 --> 00:29:37,361
Therefore, he must have had
something to do with it.
517
00:29:37,362 --> 00:29:38,610
Are you kidding?
518
00:29:40,363 --> 00:29:43,203
I have no idea if Michael
Price would have had motive
519
00:29:43,204 --> 00:29:45,034
to kill Robert or not,
520
00:29:45,035 --> 00:29:48,865
but you can't ignore this angle.
521
00:29:48,872 --> 00:29:50,502
We needed to
investigate that angle
522
00:29:50,503 --> 00:29:52,958
like we needed to investigate
every other angle.
523
00:29:52,959 --> 00:29:54,629
That's the way you
assemble a puzzle.
524
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:56,667
Not by looking at each
piece of the puzzle
525
00:29:56,671 --> 00:29:58,091
and then throwing it away.
526
00:29:58,092 --> 00:30:01,129
And we developed it
as best we could.
527
00:30:01,134 --> 00:30:03,554
Because let's face it, an
intruder doesn't come in
528
00:30:03,555 --> 00:30:07,723
and sexually assault somebody
and stab them three times,
529
00:30:07,724 --> 00:30:12,186
all unbeknown to the
three guys who live there.
530
00:30:12,187 --> 00:30:15,606
The three guys would have
absolutely no incentive
531
00:30:15,607 --> 00:30:17,227
to cover up that crime.
532
00:30:17,233 --> 00:30:20,277
But if it was Dylan or
Victor or Joe or Michael,
533
00:30:20,278 --> 00:30:23,108
they're all family, so
regardless of which one of
534
00:30:23,114 --> 00:30:25,244
those four might
have been involved,
535
00:30:25,245 --> 00:30:28,869
it provides a motive
to cover it up.
536
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:31,205
The more theories Glenn put up,
537
00:30:31,206 --> 00:30:33,874
the more they
dilute one another.
538
00:30:33,875 --> 00:30:36,245
He was restrained,
539
00:30:36,252 --> 00:30:39,421
there's a plant knife,
540
00:30:39,422 --> 00:30:42,257
they stage and clean
up the crime scene.
541
00:30:42,258 --> 00:30:44,385
Joe's brother did it.
542
00:30:44,386 --> 00:30:46,046
They had nothing on him...
543
00:30:46,054 --> 00:30:48,222
Not anyone's semen on Robert,
544
00:30:48,223 --> 00:30:51,600
not any joy toys found
in Robert's room.
545
00:30:51,601 --> 00:30:53,268
There's no blood,
546
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:56,939
no evidence of
struggle, nothing.
547
00:31:04,322 --> 00:31:05,952
Robert Wone is murdered,
548
00:31:05,953 --> 00:31:10,199
and the basic crime
story hits the papers,
549
00:31:10,203 --> 00:31:13,497
{\an8}hits the TV
stations, then quiet.
550
00:31:13,498 --> 00:31:17,998
No arrests, no advances to
the story, no information.
551
00:31:19,963 --> 00:31:22,965
It got to the point
where Kathy Wone
552
00:31:22,966 --> 00:31:24,296
was putting pressure
on the police.
553
00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:27,845
She wanted to know
what was happening.
554
00:31:27,846 --> 00:31:29,466
Up until that point, Kathy,
555
00:31:29,472 --> 00:31:31,932
it almost seemed like she was
coming in and out of shock.
556
00:31:31,933 --> 00:31:37,438
{\an8}This whole story of an
intruder. Never made any sense.
557
00:31:37,439 --> 00:31:42,939
Kathy goes to her husband's
former law partners
558
00:31:42,944 --> 00:31:44,403
at Covington & Burling.
559
00:31:44,404 --> 00:31:49,158
Eric Holder, who had been
the U.S. attorney in D.C.,
560
00:31:49,159 --> 00:31:51,076
which is the top prosecutor,
561
00:31:51,077 --> 00:31:55,664
is now head of
Covington & Burling.
562
00:31:55,665 --> 00:31:58,705
And then they held
a news conference.
563
00:31:58,710 --> 00:32:04,630
{\an8}For those in 1509 Swann
Street when Robert was killed,
564
00:32:04,632 --> 00:32:07,885
{\an8}you need to truly
ask yourselves...
565
00:32:07,886 --> 00:32:10,095
Truly, truly, ask yourselves...
566
00:32:10,096 --> 00:32:13,596
Have I provided the police
with all of the information
567
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,436
that might be relevant to the
investigation of this crime?
568
00:32:17,437 --> 00:32:20,356
That doesn't happen every
day in Washington, D.C...
569
00:32:20,357 --> 00:32:22,187
To have a man of the
stature of Eric Holder,
570
00:32:22,192 --> 00:32:26,236
who's about to become attorney
general of the United States,
571
00:32:26,237 --> 00:32:29,114
to plead for some information.
572
00:32:29,115 --> 00:32:33,075
Kathy then speaks a
heartfelt entreaty.
573
00:32:33,078 --> 00:32:34,998
{\an8}I have a few words
for the individual
574
00:32:34,999 --> 00:32:37,706
{\an8}who took Robert's life.
575
00:32:37,707 --> 00:32:40,037
Having a murder
on your conscience
576
00:32:40,043 --> 00:32:42,378
is no small load to carry
577
00:32:42,379 --> 00:32:44,879
as you try to live, I imagine,
578
00:32:44,881 --> 00:32:47,675
as normal a life as possible.
579
00:32:47,676 --> 00:32:50,926
After the murder it
seemed like Kathy believed
580
00:32:50,929 --> 00:32:53,514
or wanted to
believe their story.
581
00:32:53,515 --> 00:32:57,265
But by the time the press
conference rolled round,
582
00:32:57,268 --> 00:33:01,105
it was clear that Kathy
was no longer giving them
583
00:33:01,106 --> 00:33:03,226
the benefit of the doubt.
584
00:33:03,233 --> 00:33:04,692
It appeared Kathy thought
585
00:33:04,693 --> 00:33:06,781
that these guys are
hiding something.
586
00:33:06,782 --> 00:33:08,657
That was a pivotal point
in the story for us,
587
00:33:08,658 --> 00:33:11,695
because no one had heard from
Kathy up until that point.
588
00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:17,746
Kathy is a very guarded,
reserved, circumspect person.
589
00:33:17,747 --> 00:33:19,867
Over the course of
the investigation,
590
00:33:19,874 --> 00:33:23,919
it even seemed like she
was going more and more
591
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,295
inside herself.
592
00:33:25,296 --> 00:33:28,465
Kathy is a very private person,
593
00:33:28,466 --> 00:33:31,426
and Kathy Wone says,
"Please help us,
594
00:33:31,428 --> 00:33:32,968
give me some closure."
595
00:33:32,971 --> 00:33:37,474
It was so devastating to
Kathy to have three...
596
00:33:37,475 --> 00:33:39,725
What you believed
were close friends...
597
00:33:39,728 --> 00:33:44,268
Apparently unwilling to
even explain what happened.
598
00:33:44,274 --> 00:33:46,324
If somebody is
completely innocent
599
00:33:46,325 --> 00:33:48,444
of a horrible crime like this,
600
00:33:48,445 --> 00:33:51,815
wouldn't they be shouting
that from the rooftops?
601
00:33:51,823 --> 00:33:53,703
Why haven't they spoken out?
602
00:33:59,164 --> 00:34:04,501
At the same time, Joe, Victor
and Dylan pulled up stakes,
603
00:34:04,502 --> 00:34:08,297
sold the house on Swann
Street, moved to Florida,
604
00:34:08,298 --> 00:34:10,298
and just went underground.
605
00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:12,300
Nobody heard from them.
606
00:34:12,302 --> 00:34:14,887
They stayed together.
607
00:34:14,888 --> 00:34:17,018
They have no interest
in being public
608
00:34:17,019 --> 00:34:19,224
in any way, shape or form.
609
00:34:19,225 --> 00:34:21,435
Nothing is happening! Nothing!
610
00:34:21,436 --> 00:34:25,476
I mean, there is not a drip
of information coming out!
611
00:34:25,482 --> 00:34:28,152
Why is no one being
held accountable?
612
00:34:35,241 --> 00:34:37,910
We didn't have solid,
concrete evidence
613
00:34:37,911 --> 00:34:39,911
that you make an arrest on.
614
00:34:39,913 --> 00:34:43,332
We only had some
circumstantial evidence.
615
00:34:43,333 --> 00:34:46,173
A good example of
circumstantial evidence is,
616
00:34:46,174 --> 00:34:48,959
I went to bed, and I woke up,
617
00:34:48,963 --> 00:34:52,091
and there's snow on the ground.
618
00:34:52,092 --> 00:34:55,386
Did you see it snow?
619
00:34:55,387 --> 00:35:00,267
No, but you 100% know
that it did snow.
620
00:35:04,354 --> 00:35:06,192
Just because we haven't
found the evidence
621
00:35:06,193 --> 00:35:08,189
doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
622
00:35:13,947 --> 00:35:16,197
We didn't have direct evidence.
623
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:20,199
In my opinion, the only three
people who are in a position
624
00:35:20,203 --> 00:35:22,162
to provide us direct evidence
625
00:35:22,163 --> 00:35:25,213
refuse to and instead chose
to cover up the crime.
626
00:35:25,214 --> 00:35:28,628
The absence of evidence is
a product of the cover up.
627
00:35:38,263 --> 00:35:40,313
We're now two
years down the road
628
00:35:40,314 --> 00:35:42,596
and we needed to move forward.
629
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,560
The perceived weakness that we
can't say who killed Robert,
630
00:35:45,562 --> 00:35:49,064
we tried to embrace
as a strength.
631
00:35:49,065 --> 00:35:50,815
I never brought a murder charge
632
00:35:50,817 --> 00:35:53,857
because I could never
prove who killed Robert.
633
00:35:53,862 --> 00:35:57,489
I believed what I could
prove was that Joe Price,
634
00:35:57,490 --> 00:36:01,160
Victor Zaborsky, and
Dylan Ward covered it up.
635
00:36:01,161 --> 00:36:05,831
They were part of a conspiracy
to obstruct justice.
636
00:36:05,832 --> 00:36:09,001
To seek an arrest warrant
for charges like obstruction
637
00:36:09,002 --> 00:36:13,630
when you don't know who killed
Robert is not just unusual,
638
00:36:13,631 --> 00:36:17,091
it was unprecedented.
639
00:36:17,093 --> 00:36:19,345
Was it desperation? No.
640
00:36:19,346 --> 00:36:21,766
The judge agreed that
we had probable cause
641
00:36:21,767 --> 00:36:26,015
and authorized us
to make an arrest.
642
00:36:26,019 --> 00:36:29,309
When you have three
possible coconspirators
643
00:36:29,314 --> 00:36:31,614
involved in a crime,
who's the weak link?
644
00:36:31,615 --> 00:36:34,648
Who do we try to break?
Who do we try to flip?
645
00:36:34,652 --> 00:36:37,612
And so it was decided
we would go first
646
00:36:37,614 --> 00:36:39,782
with an arrest
warrant for Dylan.
647
00:36:39,783 --> 00:36:42,159
A new twist tonight
in one of D.C.'s
648
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,620
most high profile
unsolved murder.
649
00:36:44,621 --> 00:36:46,751
Dylan Ward charged
with covering up
650
00:36:46,752 --> 00:36:49,078
the murder of Robert Wone.
651
00:36:49,084 --> 00:36:52,961
And they arrested Dylan, bang!
652
00:36:52,962 --> 00:36:55,672
The story just took
off from there.
653
00:37:05,183 --> 00:37:08,477
When Dylan gets grabbed in
Florida, they put him in a cell,
654
00:37:08,478 --> 00:37:09,978
{\an8}"Dylan, this is
your only chance.
655
00:37:09,979 --> 00:37:11,689
{\an8}You're going to jail for
the rest of your life.
656
00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:14,530
{\an8}We know you didn't do it.
Tell us what happened."
657
00:37:16,903 --> 00:37:21,323
The strategy was to isolate
Dylan away from the other two,
658
00:37:21,324 --> 00:37:22,744
{\an8}get him into an
interrogation room
659
00:37:22,745 --> 00:37:26,412
{\an8}and get him to tell
the real story.
660
00:37:26,413 --> 00:37:28,914
And he said, "What
I said that night
661
00:37:28,915 --> 00:37:30,495
is what happened."
662
00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:33,669
Dylan didn't break.
663
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:37,339
As soon as they get Dylan
back here to Superior Court,
664
00:37:37,340 --> 00:37:39,840
the other two men are indicted.
665
00:37:41,886 --> 00:37:44,506
Then we had that
conversation with Victor.
666
00:37:44,514 --> 00:37:46,854
Do you want to make
a different choice
667
00:37:46,855 --> 00:37:50,477
{\an8}than the one you've made
thus far to hold firm
668
00:37:50,478 --> 00:37:52,018
{\an8}as part of this conspiracy?
669
00:37:52,022 --> 00:37:55,024
Or might you want to
choose another path?
670
00:37:55,025 --> 00:37:56,645
Victor never wavered.
671
00:37:56,651 --> 00:37:58,901
So they were all three charged.
672
00:37:58,903 --> 00:38:01,530
The three Swann
Street housemates
673
00:38:01,531 --> 00:38:03,321
charged with covering up
674
00:38:03,324 --> 00:38:06,084
the stabbing death
of Robert Wone.
675
00:38:07,245 --> 00:38:11,615
The men were charged with
obstruction of justice,
676
00:38:11,624 --> 00:38:13,709
conspiracy to obstruct justice,
677
00:38:13,710 --> 00:38:16,545
and tampering with
physical evidence.
678
00:38:16,546 --> 00:38:18,546
It was a bombshell.
679
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:29,390
Robert is killed August 2, 2006.
680
00:38:29,392 --> 00:38:32,144
It's not until October 27, 2008,
681
00:38:32,145 --> 00:38:34,895
the affidavit comes out,
682
00:38:34,898 --> 00:38:37,608
and it just changes everything.
683
00:38:39,527 --> 00:38:43,906
We punched the affidavit
up on the laptop
684
00:38:43,907 --> 00:38:46,527
and start poring through it.
685
00:38:46,534 --> 00:38:48,164
It was written like
a horror story.
686
00:38:48,165 --> 00:38:51,500
{\an8}"Police recovered implements
of sexual bondage and torture
687
00:38:51,501 --> 00:38:52,958
{\an8}from Dylan Ward's room."
688
00:38:52,959 --> 00:38:55,837
There were books, quote,
relating to inflicting pain
689
00:38:55,838 --> 00:38:59,915
on others for purposes
of sexual gratification.
690
00:38:59,923 --> 00:39:02,257
That's not everyday reading.
691
00:39:02,258 --> 00:39:05,008
Is that the best Glenn's got?
692
00:39:05,011 --> 00:39:06,849
Three guys in a
three-way relationship...
693
00:39:06,850 --> 00:39:09,596
"These guys must have
done it, they're freaks."
694
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:11,599
It was salacious.
It was sensational.
695
00:39:11,601 --> 00:39:13,601
It was completely irrelevant.
696
00:39:13,603 --> 00:39:16,105
Nothing to do with
killing Robert.
697
00:39:16,106 --> 00:39:20,776
Glenn needed the judgment of
the court of public opinion
698
00:39:20,777 --> 00:39:22,236
to get some inertia,
699
00:39:22,237 --> 00:39:25,487
and that's why he
generated the affidavit,
700
00:39:25,490 --> 00:39:28,950
just for sheer humiliation.
701
00:39:28,952 --> 00:39:31,872
The fact that the prosecutors
and police made that public,
702
00:39:31,873 --> 00:39:36,208
they wanted to stir up the pot
and see if that would elicit
703
00:39:36,209 --> 00:39:40,879
any reactions,
evidence, confessions.
704
00:39:43,341 --> 00:39:46,135
{\an8}I really did sort of
705
00:39:46,136 --> 00:39:49,056
{\an8}go back and forth between
the, should I believe them
706
00:39:49,057 --> 00:39:50,925
{\an8}or should I not,
707
00:39:50,932 --> 00:39:54,435
{\an8}until the affidavit came out.
708
00:39:54,436 --> 00:39:58,856
I remember thinking,
709
00:39:58,857 --> 00:40:01,734
I can't believe what
I'm reading here.
710
00:40:01,735 --> 00:40:04,565
The level of depravity
is still to this day
711
00:40:04,571 --> 00:40:06,488
stunning to comprehend.
712
00:40:06,489 --> 00:40:11,827
I tried to make sure I kept
Kathy apprised of developments,
713
00:40:11,828 --> 00:40:16,957
knowing how hurtful
this might be to her.
714
00:40:16,958 --> 00:40:22,838
I recall Kathy just
sitting in stunned silence.
715
00:40:22,839 --> 00:40:26,089
It seemed to hit her
like a freight train.
716
00:40:26,092 --> 00:40:29,595
And even though you're
not dragging the memory
717
00:40:29,596 --> 00:40:31,846
of her husband through
the mud, it just...
718
00:40:31,848 --> 00:40:34,848
It feels like this violation.
719
00:40:34,851 --> 00:40:37,269
In my conversations
with Kathy Wone,
720
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:39,688
at this point, the
ambiguity is gone.
721
00:40:39,689 --> 00:40:41,229
When the affidavit dropped,
722
00:40:41,232 --> 00:40:44,818
I think that she saw it as a
horrible betrayal of trust.
723
00:40:44,819 --> 00:40:47,905
Kathy Wone realizes that
Joe Price knows more
724
00:40:47,906 --> 00:40:49,696
and may have been
materially involved
725
00:40:49,699 --> 00:40:53,039
and may have actually
killed Robert Wone.
726
00:40:54,788 --> 00:40:57,998
{\an8}I saw red. My blood
pressure went up
727
00:40:57,999 --> 00:41:00,499
{\an8}and I couldn't hear anything
except the heartbeat in my ears.
728
00:41:00,502 --> 00:41:04,505
Such anger at the
deceit and not having
729
00:41:04,506 --> 00:41:05,876
aired this earlier.
730
00:41:05,882 --> 00:41:07,720
If there was this
much information,
731
00:41:07,721 --> 00:41:09,467
how come this wasn't solved?
732
00:41:09,469 --> 00:41:12,509
Up until November 2008,
733
00:41:12,514 --> 00:41:14,723
the intruder theory
was plausible.
734
00:41:14,724 --> 00:41:15,894
Somebody broke into a house.
735
00:41:15,895 --> 00:41:18,352
It was a random,
senseless murder.
736
00:41:18,353 --> 00:41:20,193
It was believable.
737
00:41:22,524 --> 00:41:23,904
The affidavit drops,
738
00:41:23,905 --> 00:41:27,110
and that was a real
change in direction
739
00:41:27,112 --> 00:41:29,571
for how the gay community
approached the case.
740
00:41:29,572 --> 00:41:34,660
People were conflicted and
trying to reconcile a leader
741
00:41:34,661 --> 00:41:39,581
who they respected with
this heinous crime.
742
00:41:39,582 --> 00:41:41,082
This happened in
our neighborhood.
743
00:41:41,084 --> 00:41:44,169
And so we thought we
needed to jump on this.
744
00:41:44,170 --> 00:41:45,549
Through the blog itself,
745
00:41:45,550 --> 00:41:47,967
we might be able to
shake enough trees
746
00:41:47,968 --> 00:41:51,006
that some more
information might drop.
747
00:41:51,011 --> 00:41:55,097
{\an8}We're the Scooby Gang and we're
meddling wherever we can go.
748
00:41:55,098 --> 00:41:57,268
It's frustrating. It's
frustrating for us.
749
00:41:57,269 --> 00:42:00,477
{\an8}I know it's more frustrating
for Robert Wone's family.
750
00:42:00,478 --> 00:42:04,064
We were pretty much a
gay family of choice,
751
00:42:04,065 --> 00:42:08,185
looking at a family
that was falling apart
752
00:42:08,194 --> 00:42:09,820
three blocks away.
753
00:42:09,821 --> 00:42:13,031
We had a good friend
who ran in their circle.
754
00:42:13,033 --> 00:42:16,243
We learned it was not a
three-way relationship,
755
00:42:16,244 --> 00:42:18,203
it was two two-way
relationships,
756
00:42:18,204 --> 00:42:21,582
two separate relationships
within the same family.
757
00:42:21,583 --> 00:42:25,586
Those dynamics set up
758
00:42:25,587 --> 00:42:28,464
what probably
exploded that night
759
00:42:28,465 --> 00:42:30,965
in some way or some fashion.
760
00:42:30,967 --> 00:42:34,967
This is where all theory
and speculation comes in,
761
00:42:34,971 --> 00:42:37,141
because you have
to get from a house
762
00:42:37,142 --> 00:42:39,975
that is a simmering
cauldron of emotions
763
00:42:39,976 --> 00:42:42,144
between three people,
764
00:42:42,145 --> 00:42:44,645
to your friend is murdered
765
00:42:44,647 --> 00:42:46,187
in your second floor bedroom.
766
00:42:46,191 --> 00:42:48,734
Within a matter
of an hour or so.
767
00:42:48,735 --> 00:42:52,404
79 minutes to a
methodical murder.
768
00:42:52,405 --> 00:42:54,615
That is the leap that...
769
00:42:54,616 --> 00:42:57,366
again, makes this case
770
00:42:57,369 --> 00:43:00,039
really confounding.
771
00:43:03,541 --> 00:43:06,091
The prosecutors have long
believed that the three men
772
00:43:06,092 --> 00:43:11,086
inside that house have known
and know who killed Robert Wone,
773
00:43:11,091 --> 00:43:13,681
but for whatever reason,
they are conspiring together
774
00:43:13,682 --> 00:43:16,177
to keep that from
the government.
775
00:43:16,179 --> 00:43:18,849
Joe, Victor and Dylan
hired what we called
776
00:43:18,850 --> 00:43:20,428
the million dollar defense.
777
00:43:20,433 --> 00:43:23,018
This is a high
priced defense team.
778
00:43:23,019 --> 00:43:24,728
These guys are all
very well known.
779
00:43:24,729 --> 00:43:26,608
Some of them are
former prosecutors.
780
00:43:26,609 --> 00:43:28,226
And we all know Bernie Grimm.
781
00:43:28,233 --> 00:43:31,321
He is one of the top notch
defense attorneys in this town.
782
00:43:31,322 --> 00:43:34,238
In a codefendant case where
there's multiple people charged,
783
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,239
one lawyer can only
represent one person.
784
00:43:37,242 --> 00:43:41,870
But we agreed beforehand we
would have a joint defense.
785
00:43:41,871 --> 00:43:45,457
We all knew one
another quite well.
786
00:43:45,458 --> 00:43:46,878
Bernie Grimm, a longtime
787
00:43:46,879 --> 00:43:49,126
criminal defense
attorney in D.C.;
788
00:43:49,129 --> 00:43:52,297
Dave Schertler, who
represented Dylan Ward;
789
00:43:52,298 --> 00:43:55,178
Tommy Connolly, who
represented Victor Zaborsky.
790
00:43:55,179 --> 00:44:00,096
Glenn was up against
three of the absolute best
791
00:44:00,098 --> 00:44:04,018
defense attorneys
D.C. could produce.
792
00:44:04,019 --> 00:44:05,939
Bernard Grimm,
representing Mr. Price,
793
00:44:05,940 --> 00:44:09,064
has probably one more
not-guilties in homicides
794
00:44:09,065 --> 00:44:12,065
in D.C. than anyone
else practicing today.
795
00:44:16,114 --> 00:44:18,034
Now, first of all,
the BDSM stuff,
796
00:44:18,035 --> 00:44:21,577
it only had relevance
because Glenn realized
797
00:44:21,578 --> 00:44:24,997
he had problems with the case.
798
00:44:24,998 --> 00:44:28,498
Glenn files a discovery
in a public court jacket
799
00:44:28,501 --> 00:44:32,504
so everybody can see the
dildos, the joy toys.
800
00:44:32,505 --> 00:44:35,375
He wants to introduce
all that stuff.
801
00:44:35,383 --> 00:44:39,094
I need to go after that and
try to tear it apart if I can.
802
00:44:39,095 --> 00:44:43,175
We filed motions to
have the sexual devices,
803
00:44:43,183 --> 00:44:46,810
any mention of
sexual misconduct,
804
00:44:46,811 --> 00:44:48,771
suppressed as evidence.
805
00:44:48,772 --> 00:44:51,901
The defense argued that there
was insufficient evidence
806
00:44:51,902 --> 00:44:53,900
to show that some
of the findings
807
00:44:53,902 --> 00:44:55,452
had anything to do
with the murder.
808
00:44:55,453 --> 00:45:00,075
The prosecution objected to
the motion, but they lost.
809
00:45:01,701 --> 00:45:06,580
We tried to admit it and
the judge overruled us.
810
00:45:06,581 --> 00:45:09,458
It clearly was a blow
to the prosecution.
811
00:45:09,459 --> 00:45:11,089
It was very dramatic.
812
00:45:11,090 --> 00:45:13,956
The semen and all
the S&M devices,
813
00:45:13,963 --> 00:45:16,840
all of that evidence
was tossed out.
814
00:45:16,841 --> 00:45:18,550
When you have a victim
815
00:45:18,551 --> 00:45:22,137
who appears to have
been sexually assaulted,
816
00:45:22,138 --> 00:45:25,228
and the judge doesn't seem
to make the connection,
817
00:45:25,229 --> 00:45:28,305
that was troubling to
me; I was surprised.
818
00:45:28,311 --> 00:45:30,270
Glenn never saw that coming.
819
00:45:30,271 --> 00:45:32,189
The evidence was thrown out.
820
00:45:32,190 --> 00:45:35,900
They entered this trial
with a severe handicap.
821
00:45:35,902 --> 00:45:37,990
And that was part
of the strategy.
822
00:45:37,991 --> 00:45:40,527
It was absolutely the
correct. decision.
823
00:45:40,532 --> 00:45:44,785
Judge Leibovitz reminding
everyone that her action today
824
00:45:44,786 --> 00:45:46,406
is not a verdict,
825
00:45:46,413 --> 00:45:47,623
nor does it signal
826
00:45:47,624 --> 00:45:51,382
how she may eventually
decide this case.
827
00:46:05,724 --> 00:46:08,559
As we're preparing
to start the trial,
828
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,270
{\an8}the defense attorneys filed
a really unusual motion,
829
00:46:12,272 --> 00:46:14,572
{\an8}which was to let the
judge decide their case.
830
00:46:14,573 --> 00:46:18,816
In essence, that's the judge
sitting as the jury in the case.
831
00:46:24,451 --> 00:46:28,078
With a jury, most murder
cases end up in convictions...
832
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:30,998
{\an8}seven out of ten.
833
00:46:30,999 --> 00:46:32,579
{\an8}Because they look
in the audience,
834
00:46:32,584 --> 00:46:37,421
{\an8}it's the victim's mother,
father, brothers, sisters.
835
00:46:37,422 --> 00:46:40,299
They hold the whole
world in their hands.
836
00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:44,386
The defense argument was
that the case was publicized
837
00:46:44,387 --> 00:46:48,217
{\an8}so widely in the media
that they didn't believe
838
00:46:48,224 --> 00:46:51,894
{\an8}they could get an
impartial jury.
839
00:46:51,895 --> 00:46:53,515
You have a right to a jury trial
840
00:46:53,521 --> 00:46:55,898
under the Sixth Amendment;
you don't have a right
841
00:46:55,899 --> 00:46:57,229
to a bench trial,
to a judge trial.
842
00:46:57,233 --> 00:46:58,821
We have a right
to object to that.
843
00:46:58,822 --> 00:47:01,698
We could have forced these
three men in front of a jury.
844
00:47:01,699 --> 00:47:05,196
Instead of convincing
12 different people
845
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,660
from all different sections
of Washington, D.C.,
846
00:47:08,661 --> 00:47:11,830
Glenn needed to convince
one single person
847
00:47:11,831 --> 00:47:13,378
beyond a reasonable doubt.
848
00:47:13,379 --> 00:47:15,995
And he certainly was
charging hard down the hill
849
00:47:16,002 --> 00:47:19,838
with confidence that they
were going to get convictions.
850
00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:23,339
Judge Leibovitz is a
former homicide prosecutor.
851
00:47:23,343 --> 00:47:25,433
She was my former
chief of homicide
852
00:47:25,434 --> 00:47:28,638
and I was her deputy
years earlier.
853
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,017
So, I thought she would
understand and appreciate
854
00:47:32,018 --> 00:47:38,228
that the inexplicability of so
much of what happened to Robert
855
00:47:38,233 --> 00:47:41,193
is a tribute to the
success of the cover up.
856
00:47:41,194 --> 00:47:45,454
We ultimately settled on
not opposing their request.
857
00:47:51,705 --> 00:47:53,785
Who killed Robert
Wone? It is a mystery
858
00:47:53,790 --> 00:47:56,669
that's captivated the area
for nearly four years now.
859
00:47:56,670 --> 00:47:59,248
The men who lived at that house
will go on trial tomorrow,
860
00:47:59,254 --> 00:48:01,551
but not for murder,
obstruction of justice.
861
00:48:01,552 --> 00:48:03,798
It's fascinating.
This is a murder case,
862
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,090
but it's not a murder trial.
863
00:48:05,093 --> 00:48:07,393
This was a highly
anticipated trial.
864
00:48:07,394 --> 00:48:11,427
These were prominent people
charged with an awful crime.
865
00:48:11,433 --> 00:48:13,730
Now, the prosecution
doesn't have to prove
866
00:48:13,731 --> 00:48:16,517
{\an8}a motive in this case: Why
was Robert Wone killed?
867
00:48:16,521 --> 00:48:18,190
{\an8}All they have to do is prove
868
00:48:18,191 --> 00:48:20,277
{\an8}that the three men
conspired together
869
00:48:20,278 --> 00:48:21,775
{\an8}to cover up the crime.
870
00:48:21,776 --> 00:48:24,526
{\an8}That was the most high
profile case I ever covered.
871
00:48:24,529 --> 00:48:26,819
The trial could last
up to five weeks.
872
00:48:26,823 --> 00:48:31,753
If convicted, they can each
get up to 38 years in prison.
873
00:48:33,872 --> 00:48:36,419
The courtroom was packed
from the newspapers
874
00:48:36,420 --> 00:48:39,166
to the radio stations to
the television stations.
875
00:48:39,169 --> 00:48:40,749
We were all in there.
876
00:48:40,754 --> 00:48:42,054
There's no cameras.
877
00:48:42,055 --> 00:48:44,506
So we had to have
a sketch artist.
878
00:48:44,507 --> 00:48:46,297
What I remember
about that first day
879
00:48:46,301 --> 00:48:48,221
is seeing all of these people
880
00:48:48,222 --> 00:48:50,969
we've been talking
about for years.
881
00:48:50,972 --> 00:48:56,477
Finally, there's Joe, Victor,
Dylan, all these attorneys,
882
00:48:56,478 --> 00:49:00,688
Kathy Wone and a whole
group of Robert's friends.
883
00:49:02,525 --> 00:49:05,025
I get butterflies
before every trial,
884
00:49:05,028 --> 00:49:08,364
before every opening statement.
885
00:49:08,365 --> 00:49:12,365
I knew I'd have to prove
three key things at trial.
886
00:49:12,369 --> 00:49:14,328
First, there was no intruder.
887
00:49:14,329 --> 00:49:17,498
That's provable bullshit.
888
00:49:17,499 --> 00:49:21,209
Second, we have three
gaping wounds to his torso
889
00:49:21,211 --> 00:49:24,755
but no blood... No
blood on the scene.
890
00:49:24,756 --> 00:49:28,256
And that the knife that
they left on the nightstand
891
00:49:28,259 --> 00:49:30,719
was a plant knife.
892
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:34,020
All of that, I believe, proved
beyond a reasonable doubt:
893
00:49:34,021 --> 00:49:37,225
this was a clean up
followed by a cover up.
894
00:49:45,318 --> 00:49:47,648
So this is the scale model
895
00:49:47,654 --> 00:49:52,324
constructed for the murder
trial of Robert Wone.
896
00:49:52,325 --> 00:49:55,905
These three guys
claim that an intruder
897
00:49:55,912 --> 00:49:58,455
scales the security fence,
898
00:49:58,456 --> 00:50:02,746
comes upon an inadvertently
left unlocked back door.
899
00:50:02,752 --> 00:50:06,300
He's got to take a knife out of
the butcher block in the kitchen
900
00:50:06,301 --> 00:50:08,257
and make his way
through the living room.
901
00:50:08,258 --> 00:50:10,426
The intruder then walks up 16
902
00:50:10,427 --> 00:50:13,554
more-than-hundred-year-old
wooden stairs
903
00:50:13,555 --> 00:50:15,675
that creak like all get out;
904
00:50:15,682 --> 00:50:17,479
he gets to the top
of the second floor,
905
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,055
has no interest in
apparently, Dylan's bedroom.
906
00:50:20,061 --> 00:50:22,187
Instead. turns 180 degrees,
907
00:50:22,188 --> 00:50:25,148
walks all the way
to the guest room,
908
00:50:25,150 --> 00:50:26,650
opens the door,
909
00:50:26,651 --> 00:50:29,781
walks around all the way to
the other side of the bed,
910
00:50:29,782 --> 00:50:35,159
and he inserts a knife into
Robert's torso three times,
911
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,495
making three
identical stab wounds.
912
00:50:38,496 --> 00:50:43,286
He leaves the knife either
lying across Robert's torso
913
00:50:43,293 --> 00:50:45,377
or in Robert's chest...
914
00:50:45,378 --> 00:50:49,588
Because Joe Price told
detectives both things.
915
00:50:49,591 --> 00:50:51,891
Comes back through
the second floor,
916
00:50:51,892 --> 00:50:55,345
presumably runs, because
you don't just leisurely
917
00:50:55,347 --> 00:50:57,767
saunter away from
your own murder scene,
918
00:50:57,768 --> 00:51:00,556
comes back down the
stairs without being seen,
919
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,980
without being heard,
without being detected.
920
00:51:02,981 --> 00:51:07,566
Makes his way all the way out
the back door, over the fence,
921
00:51:07,567 --> 00:51:10,447
without disturbing the
pollen on the top rail.
922
00:51:10,448 --> 00:51:13,364
So I think the only
logical conclusion
923
00:51:13,365 --> 00:51:16,615
is that the killer
is Spider-Man.
924
00:51:18,286 --> 00:51:19,866
Glen's a good courtroom lawyer.
925
00:51:19,871 --> 00:51:23,251
I would say his biggest victory
was his opening statement.
926
00:51:23,252 --> 00:51:26,209
Remember, Glenn's
job is to build.
927
00:51:26,211 --> 00:51:29,296
We don't build a
building next to it
928
00:51:29,297 --> 00:51:30,716
that's bigger and nicer,
929
00:51:30,717 --> 00:51:32,545
because then we're
assuming a burden,
930
00:51:32,550 --> 00:51:35,260
saying, Judge, our
case is better.
931
00:51:35,261 --> 00:51:37,221
Never assume the burden.
932
00:51:37,222 --> 00:51:38,931
Our job is destruction.
933
00:51:38,932 --> 00:51:42,267
You take their case and
you start taking it apart
934
00:51:42,268 --> 00:51:44,144
brick by brick by brick.
935
00:51:44,145 --> 00:51:45,854
Glenn's basic format:
936
00:51:45,855 --> 00:51:49,605
four people in a house,
one person dead...
937
00:51:49,609 --> 00:51:51,944
That is very persuasive.
938
00:51:51,945 --> 00:51:53,145
It stops there.
939
00:51:53,154 --> 00:51:57,074
The rest of it is
nothing short of voodoo.
940
00:51:57,075 --> 00:51:58,445
The defense says it's a case
941
00:51:58,451 --> 00:52:00,498
based on assumption
and innuendo.
942
00:52:00,499 --> 00:52:02,955
The defense says the police
never really investigated
943
00:52:02,956 --> 00:52:06,496
the theory that an intruder
broke into the house that night.
944
00:52:06,501 --> 00:52:09,341
But today, they have the
evidence to prove it.
945
00:52:12,757 --> 00:52:16,797
The first time we were
here with my investigator,
946
00:52:16,803 --> 00:52:20,806
he realized that you
could open this mail slot,
947
00:52:20,807 --> 00:52:26,395
put your hand in and open
the door from the inside.
948
00:52:26,396 --> 00:52:29,565
The defense also
submitted as an exhibit
949
00:52:29,566 --> 00:52:32,686
a short clip of one of
the defense attorneys
950
00:52:32,694 --> 00:52:35,696
grab the top of the
fence and vaulted it.
951
00:52:35,697 --> 00:52:39,487
Not complex, you didn't
need superhuman strength.
952
00:52:39,492 --> 00:52:41,201
{\an8}During the investigation,
953
00:52:41,202 --> 00:52:44,252
{\an8}we knocked on the door of
this house right next door.
954
00:52:44,253 --> 00:52:48,834
The housekeeper was there
and she was home that night.
955
00:52:48,835 --> 00:52:52,955
She explained that the morning
following the homicide,
956
00:52:52,964 --> 00:52:56,967
{\an8}she finds that there
are two foot impressions
957
00:52:56,968 --> 00:52:58,508
{\an8}on the sandbox,
958
00:52:58,511 --> 00:53:00,561
{\an8}as if someone had
jumped over the fence
959
00:53:00,562 --> 00:53:02,264
and landed right on this.
960
00:53:02,265 --> 00:53:06,345
She walks next door, finds
the detective and says,
961
00:53:06,353 --> 00:53:07,853
"In my backyard, I
might have something
962
00:53:07,854 --> 00:53:10,189
you'd be interested in seeing,"
963
00:53:10,190 --> 00:53:11,690
evidence that would show
964
00:53:11,691 --> 00:53:14,691
that someone jumped over
the fence at Price's house,
965
00:53:14,694 --> 00:53:18,447
and the police detective
says, "Don't worry about it.
966
00:53:18,448 --> 00:53:21,738
We already have the
people involved."
967
00:53:21,743 --> 00:53:23,702
This is the next day.
968
00:53:23,703 --> 00:53:27,753
Pretty compelling evidence
ignored by the police.
969
00:53:29,167 --> 00:53:32,586
Today's testimony could make or
break the prosecution's case.
970
00:53:32,587 --> 00:53:35,757
The deputy medical
examiner took the stand.
971
00:53:38,968 --> 00:53:42,846
The fact that there wasn't
any blood found at the scene
972
00:53:42,847 --> 00:53:45,807
was one of the biggest
mysteries in this case.
973
00:53:45,809 --> 00:53:51,188
{\an8}A man is stabbed
one, two, three times
974
00:53:51,189 --> 00:53:52,689
{\an8}in the chest.
975
00:53:52,691 --> 00:53:55,734
{\an8}One of the stab wounds
goes through his heart.
976
00:53:55,735 --> 00:53:59,905
There are a few drops of
blood. Where's the blood?
977
00:53:59,906 --> 00:54:02,736
The first day of my testimony
978
00:54:02,742 --> 00:54:06,745
{\an8}was all dedicated to
the autopsy findings
979
00:54:06,746 --> 00:54:09,915
{\an8}and the three stab wounds.
980
00:54:09,916 --> 00:54:14,916
These wounds injured his
heart and major blood vessels
981
00:54:14,921 --> 00:54:20,259
that would have caused
significant blood loss.
982
00:54:20,260 --> 00:54:22,050
I was able to measure blood
983
00:54:22,053 --> 00:54:25,431
that had accumulated
in Mr. Wone's body.
984
00:54:25,432 --> 00:54:31,602
My estimation was approximately
one third of his blood volume.
985
00:54:31,604 --> 00:54:35,274
As to the whereabouts
of the other two thirds,
986
00:54:35,275 --> 00:54:36,605
I don't know.
987
00:54:36,609 --> 00:54:38,399
The medical examiner testified
988
00:54:38,403 --> 00:54:41,947
that she found a third of a
normal human being's blood
989
00:54:41,948 --> 00:54:45,117
in Robert Wone, but the defense
is saying that there wasn't
990
00:54:45,118 --> 00:54:49,658
the bleeding that the
police would expect to see.
991
00:54:49,664 --> 00:54:52,544
{\an8}The defense does not
necessarily have to provide
992
00:54:52,545 --> 00:54:57,796
{\an8}anything more than poking holes
or questioning the evidence
993
00:54:57,797 --> 00:54:59,967
and the claims by
the prosecution.
994
00:54:59,968 --> 00:55:01,756
And this is what
the defense did.
995
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:06,430
The renowned crime scene
expert, Dr. Henry Lee,
996
00:55:06,431 --> 00:55:09,808
big time witness in
the O.J. Simpson case,
997
00:55:09,809 --> 00:55:13,309
brought to superior court
today by the defense.
998
00:55:13,313 --> 00:55:14,941
Dr. Lee takes the stand
999
00:55:14,942 --> 00:55:18,399
and he is saying that Robert
was stabbed through the heart,
1000
00:55:18,401 --> 00:55:20,031
he bled out internally.
1001
00:55:20,032 --> 00:55:24,156
And so all of the blood
remained inside his body.
1002
00:55:24,157 --> 00:55:27,447
That's why you didn't
get any blood spatter
1003
00:55:27,452 --> 00:55:31,662
out around the bed
or in the room.
1004
00:55:33,166 --> 00:55:35,496
I disagree with
the defense theory
1005
00:55:35,502 --> 00:55:40,464
that there would have been
minimal external blood loss.
1006
00:55:40,465 --> 00:55:45,045
And they tried to say that
Mr. Wone died almost instantly
1007
00:55:45,053 --> 00:55:48,722
because of the
wound to his heart.
1008
00:55:48,723 --> 00:55:50,182
There was internal bleeding.
1009
00:55:50,183 --> 00:55:54,186
We know that because he
was forced to lie there
1010
00:55:54,187 --> 00:55:57,017
digesting his own blood
before he ultimately died.
1011
00:55:57,023 --> 00:56:00,693
There also would have
been external bleeding.
1012
00:56:00,694 --> 00:56:03,195
Jeff Baker said
his torso appeared
1013
00:56:03,196 --> 00:56:06,156
as if it had been
completely wiped clean.
1014
00:56:06,157 --> 00:56:08,157
I'm going to credit the
first one on the scene
1015
00:56:08,159 --> 00:56:11,539
before I'm going to credit
Bernie's take on any of this.
1016
00:56:15,875 --> 00:56:18,745
During the trial,
what stood out to me
1017
00:56:18,753 --> 00:56:20,796
was the fight over the knife.
1018
00:56:20,797 --> 00:56:22,837
Glenn is saying
it's a plant knife.
1019
00:56:22,841 --> 00:56:25,467
They dipped a towel
in Robert's blood,
1020
00:56:25,468 --> 00:56:27,344
and then they took the knife
1021
00:56:27,345 --> 00:56:30,845
and then they drew the
knife through the towel.
1022
00:56:30,849 --> 00:56:34,768
Dr. Lee proceeds to give
a theory on the knife.
1023
00:56:34,769 --> 00:56:37,769
It is opposite of
Glenn's theory.
1024
00:56:37,772 --> 00:56:40,607
He demonstrated it was
like taking a knife
1025
00:56:40,608 --> 00:56:42,148
and dipping it into
a catch a bottle.
1026
00:56:42,152 --> 00:56:45,237
So you're plunging it
in and out, in and out.
1027
00:56:45,238 --> 00:56:49,528
And that he could see that
kind of pattern on the knife
1028
00:56:49,534 --> 00:56:51,160
found at the scene.
1029
00:56:51,161 --> 00:56:54,911
I still remember Glenn Kirshner
standing in the courtroom
1030
00:56:54,914 --> 00:56:59,251
arguing, "that knife is too
long to inflict those wounds."
1031
00:56:59,252 --> 00:57:02,087
The knife that was
perfect would have been
1032
00:57:02,088 --> 00:57:07,176
in the knife set that was
inside Dylan Ward's bedroom.
1033
00:57:07,177 --> 00:57:12,556
Glenn said Dylan or someone
used that knife, killed Robert,
1034
00:57:12,557 --> 00:57:15,807
then discarded the knife so
the government couldn't find
1035
00:57:15,810 --> 00:57:17,560
the murder weapon.
1036
00:57:17,562 --> 00:57:20,272
And then you have the
coup de grace here, right?
1037
00:57:20,273 --> 00:57:25,113
The defense attorneys bring
Dylan's mother in to testify.
1038
00:57:26,905 --> 00:57:29,114
Dylan Ward's mother had
said the cutlery set
1039
00:57:29,115 --> 00:57:32,695
that Dylan Ward had,
she had mailed to him.
1040
00:57:32,702 --> 00:57:35,120
The one knife that was missing
1041
00:57:35,121 --> 00:57:37,371
that the government said
was the murder weapon
1042
00:57:37,374 --> 00:57:40,501
was a knife she removed
and kept for herself
1043
00:57:40,502 --> 00:57:44,004
and did not mail to Dylan.
1044
00:57:44,005 --> 00:57:45,795
This was a surprise.
1045
00:57:45,799 --> 00:57:48,967
You don't get to stop
proceedings mid-trial.
1046
00:57:48,968 --> 00:57:50,678
We're surprised all the time.
1047
00:57:50,679 --> 00:57:52,054
You don't get a recess.
1048
00:57:52,055 --> 00:57:53,675
This is a shootout
at the O.K. Corral.
1049
00:57:53,682 --> 00:57:56,102
You know, Wyatt Earp doesn't
say, "Hey, I'm out of bullets,
1050
00:57:56,103 --> 00:57:59,520
do you guys mind
waiting for a second?"
1051
00:57:59,521 --> 00:58:03,481
And it was not a surprise
that the mother of a defendant
1052
00:58:03,483 --> 00:58:05,653
would come in and say, "Hey,
I have a piece of evidence
1053
00:58:05,654 --> 00:58:07,778
that helps my son."
1054
00:58:07,779 --> 00:58:09,699
I don't call people
liars in court.
1055
00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:11,657
Parents try to help
their children.
1056
00:58:11,658 --> 00:58:13,828
It's human nature.
1057
00:58:15,995 --> 00:58:19,865
Trials are kind of like
heavyweight championship fights.
1058
00:58:19,874 --> 00:58:23,419
You are in there
throwing punches,
1059
00:58:23,420 --> 00:58:25,670
having punches thrown at you.
1060
00:58:25,672 --> 00:58:29,052
At the end, you're bloodied
and you're beaten up, you know.
1061
00:58:29,053 --> 00:58:32,010
At some point, that
final bell rings.
1062
00:58:35,098 --> 00:58:37,268
After sitting through
all the evidence,
1063
00:58:37,269 --> 00:58:41,437
how the defense had argued
so vociferously with Glenn
1064
00:58:41,438 --> 00:58:47,188
over the knife and hearing
Dr. Henry Lee's explanation,
1065
00:58:47,193 --> 00:58:51,947
there were parts of the trial
that made you really question
1066
00:58:51,948 --> 00:58:54,778
what kind of case the
government had here.
1067
00:58:54,784 --> 00:58:56,581
Today, the defense
rested its case.
1068
00:58:56,582 --> 00:58:59,957
They've called seven witnesses,
including four doctors,
1069
00:58:59,958 --> 00:59:02,206
in an effort to prove
that the three housemates
1070
00:59:02,208 --> 00:59:07,958
had no knowledge of the crime,
no time to cover up that murder.
1071
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,637
What I tried to prove was
that these three men had lied,
1072
00:59:15,638 --> 00:59:17,097
engaged in misdirection,
1073
00:59:17,098 --> 00:59:20,684
and that they all did it
jointly in a conspiracy,
1074
00:59:20,685 --> 00:59:24,605
full stop.
1075
00:59:24,606 --> 00:59:28,275
Glenn's evidence
is just bullshit.
1076
00:59:28,276 --> 00:59:32,526
In order to find one,
two or three guilty,
1077
00:59:32,530 --> 00:59:35,370
you have to conclude
beyond a reasonable doubt
1078
00:59:35,371 --> 00:59:38,907
that all three of them
conspired to obstruct justice
1079
00:59:38,912 --> 00:59:42,372
by cleaning up the crime scene,
by delaying the phone call,
1080
00:59:42,374 --> 00:59:46,043
by getting rid of evidence...
And then, which person did it?
1081
00:59:46,044 --> 00:59:49,254
Therein lies your
problem... The math problem.
1082
00:59:49,255 --> 00:59:52,925
Glenn kept using the
word "they"... well, who?
1083
00:59:52,926 --> 00:59:54,836
Which one did it?
1084
00:59:54,844 --> 00:59:57,354
Which two did it?
Did all three do it?
1085
01:00:06,314 --> 01:00:08,780
The prosecution has rested
in the obstruction case
1086
01:00:08,781 --> 01:00:11,435
involving the murder of
D.C. lawyer Robert Wone.
1087
01:00:11,444 --> 01:00:16,281
A judge is now deciding the
fate of the three defendants.
1088
01:00:16,282 --> 01:00:18,202
I thought that Glenn
presented enough evidence
1089
01:00:18,203 --> 01:00:21,161
to find those guys
guilty of obstruction.
1090
01:00:23,331 --> 01:00:27,001
{\an8}The misdirection to
the intruder theory,
1091
01:00:27,002 --> 01:00:30,462
{\an8}the guys being
freshly showered...
1092
01:00:30,463 --> 01:00:36,301
To me, that alone told you
they were hiding things.
1093
01:00:36,302 --> 01:00:37,972
I hoped every night
when I went home
1094
01:00:37,973 --> 01:00:40,351
that they were going
to get convicted.
1095
01:00:42,267 --> 01:00:44,307
Judge Leibovitz
was deliberating.
1096
01:00:44,310 --> 01:00:45,688
{\an8}The case was closed, she said,
1097
01:00:45,689 --> 01:00:47,307
{\an8}"I'll be back in a
week with the verdict."
1098
01:00:47,313 --> 01:00:51,283
The entire time you're
on pins and needles.
1099
01:00:53,486 --> 01:00:56,446
Another big story, a ruling
in the trial against three men
1100
01:00:56,448 --> 01:01:00,617
accused of covering up
the murder of Robert Wone.
1101
01:01:00,618 --> 01:01:03,868
I remember being in the newsroom
1102
01:01:03,872 --> 01:01:05,414
and getting a call
1103
01:01:05,415 --> 01:01:08,165
{\an8}that there was going
to be a verdict,
1104
01:01:08,168 --> 01:01:10,168
{\an8}and racing to Superior Court.
1105
01:01:10,170 --> 01:01:13,964
We all get in there,
the place is packed.
1106
01:01:13,965 --> 01:01:18,675
{\an8}Each of the defendants were
very solemn when they came in.
1107
01:01:18,678 --> 01:01:20,178
There was no levity.
1108
01:01:20,180 --> 01:01:24,975
There was a hush when Kathy
and Robert's family came in.
1109
01:01:24,976 --> 01:01:26,476
The judge takes the bench
1110
01:01:26,478 --> 01:01:29,728
and you could feel the
tension within the room.
1111
01:01:29,731 --> 01:01:34,401
{\an8}There was a tremendous amount
of anticipation for this verdict
1112
01:01:34,402 --> 01:01:37,282
where either these three guys
were going to be convicted,
1113
01:01:37,283 --> 01:01:39,780
handcuffed and taken away,
1114
01:01:39,783 --> 01:01:41,873
or they were going to walk free.
1115
01:01:51,127 --> 01:01:54,417
{\an8}I turned first to
the intruder theory.
1116
01:01:54,422 --> 01:01:56,301
I am persuaded by
the trial evidence
1117
01:01:56,302 --> 01:01:57,879
that the murder of Robert Wone
1118
01:01:57,884 --> 01:02:02,388
was not committed by an intruder
unknown to the defendants.
1119
01:02:02,389 --> 01:02:08,599
{\an8}The judge pretty easily
dismissed the notion
1120
01:02:08,603 --> 01:02:12,606
{\an8}that an intruder,
unknown, unseen, unheard,
1121
01:02:12,607 --> 01:02:15,897
had killed Robert.
1122
01:02:15,902 --> 01:02:17,820
It's a 38-page document.
1123
01:02:17,821 --> 01:02:19,571
I remember sitting there.
1124
01:02:19,572 --> 01:02:23,575
I had a reaction on
virtually almost every page
1125
01:02:23,576 --> 01:02:27,076
where I would say, "Oh,
she's going to convict."
1126
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,460
This is not to say that there
is no possibility whatsoever
1127
01:02:30,461 --> 01:02:34,586
that an intruder entered, as
the defendants say one did.
1128
01:02:34,587 --> 01:02:37,297
And then the next page,
"oh, she's going to acquit."
1129
01:02:37,298 --> 01:02:38,798
The essential question remains
1130
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,969
whether the evidence proves
beyond a reasonable doubt
1131
01:02:41,970 --> 01:02:43,554
as to any defendant
1132
01:02:43,555 --> 01:02:47,595
that he knew sufficient
information about the murder.
1133
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:51,310
Uniformly, they said that
there was an intruder,
1134
01:02:51,312 --> 01:02:53,819
in separate rooms, in
separate interviews.
1135
01:02:53,820 --> 01:02:57,435
She could not conclude that
that was obstruction of justice
1136
01:02:57,444 --> 01:03:01,321
because she couldn't
conclude specific intent.
1137
01:03:01,322 --> 01:03:03,951
Some of the most persuasive
evidence supporting
1138
01:03:03,952 --> 01:03:05,409
the government's position
1139
01:03:05,410 --> 01:03:07,329
is each one of them
displayed a demeanor
1140
01:03:07,330 --> 01:03:09,408
wholly at odds with
what anyone would expect
1141
01:03:09,414 --> 01:03:11,293
from an innocent
person whose friend
1142
01:03:11,294 --> 01:03:12,831
had just been murdered.
1143
01:03:12,834 --> 01:03:16,795
She shredded the three of
these men's characters.
1144
01:03:16,796 --> 01:03:19,586
{\an8}This was true
during the 911 call.
1145
01:03:20,759 --> 01:03:23,388
{\an8}And when the defendants were
on videotape talking to police,
1146
01:03:23,389 --> 01:03:25,966
Mr. Zaborsky was
histrionic and tearful,
1147
01:03:25,972 --> 01:03:28,392
but his words and
demeanor on the 911 call
1148
01:03:28,393 --> 01:03:30,891
are at best odd and
eyebrow raising,
1149
01:03:30,894 --> 01:03:33,312
and at worst, calculated.
1150
01:03:33,313 --> 01:03:35,814
- Bizarre behavior.
- Bizarre.
1151
01:03:35,815 --> 01:03:38,105
Mr. Price was
consistently arrogant,
1152
01:03:38,109 --> 01:03:40,449
unconcerned and dismissive.
1153
01:03:43,865 --> 01:03:48,535
Emotionless. It
doesn't make any sense
1154
01:03:48,536 --> 01:03:52,496
with the loss of a deep,
longstanding friend.
1155
01:03:52,499 --> 01:03:55,749
Mr. Ward was, from the
start, distant and detached,
1156
01:03:55,752 --> 01:03:57,552
unmoved and calm.
1157
01:03:59,547 --> 01:04:02,507
Like, fuck... it sounded
like she was going to
1158
01:04:02,509 --> 01:04:05,299
find them all guilty.
1159
01:04:05,303 --> 01:04:08,263
It's almost as if you
see a tractor trailer
1160
01:04:08,264 --> 01:04:09,890
about to T-bone your car,
1161
01:04:09,891 --> 01:04:12,271
and you don't know if you can
get out of the way quick enough.
1162
01:04:12,272 --> 01:04:15,728
It was 47 minutes of terror,
1163
01:04:15,730 --> 01:04:17,020
absolute terror.
1164
01:04:17,023 --> 01:04:19,358
And then...
- I conclude that the knife used
1165
01:04:19,359 --> 01:04:20,899
to commit the
stabbing was, in fact,
1166
01:04:20,902 --> 01:04:24,029
the kitchen knife found
on the nightstand.
1167
01:04:24,030 --> 01:04:26,828
She did not believe that
that knife was a plant.
1168
01:04:26,829 --> 01:04:30,075
She believed, based on the
evidence that she had heard
1169
01:04:30,078 --> 01:04:34,707
from Dr. Henry Lee, that
that was the murder weapon.
1170
01:04:34,708 --> 01:04:38,418
But as she's going through the
evidence against Joe Price,
1171
01:04:38,420 --> 01:04:41,130
she believed that
he had tampered
1172
01:04:41,131 --> 01:04:43,381
with the knife at the scene.
1173
01:04:43,383 --> 01:04:45,012
It is very likely
that Mr. Price
1174
01:04:45,013 --> 01:04:47,550
pulled the murder weapon
from the victim's chest,
1175
01:04:47,554 --> 01:04:49,224
wiped the blade,
and even possibly
1176
01:04:49,225 --> 01:04:51,348
the handle of the knife.
1177
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:54,268
But she couldn't come
up with the intent.
1178
01:04:54,269 --> 01:04:56,269
I cannot say why
he pulled the knife
1179
01:04:56,271 --> 01:04:59,271
or that his reasons for failing
to tell the police about it
1180
01:04:59,274 --> 01:05:00,902
were to obstruct justice.
1181
01:05:00,903 --> 01:05:03,029
This is a roller coaster
you're going through
1182
01:05:03,030 --> 01:05:05,358
as you're sitting there,
as she's reading this,
1183
01:05:05,363 --> 01:05:07,489
you're going back and forth.
1184
01:05:07,490 --> 01:05:09,490
I conclude that the
government's evidence
1185
01:05:09,492 --> 01:05:13,245
does not prove the defendant's
timelines are false.
1186
01:05:13,246 --> 01:05:16,915
She didn't believe that they
had delayed the call to 911
1187
01:05:16,916 --> 01:05:20,586
or that they had
cleaned up the blood.
1188
01:05:20,587 --> 01:05:22,957
The American criminal
justice system
1189
01:05:22,964 --> 01:05:24,383
presumes a person innocent
1190
01:05:24,384 --> 01:05:26,802
until the prosecution
proves him guilty.
1191
01:05:28,553 --> 01:05:31,472
The degree of certainty
necessary to convict a defendant
1192
01:05:31,473 --> 01:05:35,100
is proof beyond a
reasonable doubt.
1193
01:05:35,101 --> 01:05:38,520
Based on the foregoing,
I find Joseph Price,
1194
01:05:38,521 --> 01:05:41,651
Dylan Ward and
Victor's Zaborsky...
1195
01:05:45,028 --> 01:05:46,778
Not guilty.
1196
01:05:57,791 --> 01:06:02,841
It all just sort of went up
in a puff of smoke at the end.
1197
01:06:04,047 --> 01:06:07,297
There was just a
collective exhale.
1198
01:06:07,300 --> 01:06:09,800
The judge says "not guilty,"
1199
01:06:09,803 --> 01:06:14,723
and you just walk
out of there stunned.
1200
01:06:14,724 --> 01:06:17,643
And at that point,
I recall Kathy Wone
1201
01:06:17,644 --> 01:06:19,274
and the other
members of the family
1202
01:06:19,275 --> 01:06:21,397
quickly exiting the courtroom
1203
01:06:21,398 --> 01:06:24,608
before the judge
even gaveled out.
1204
01:06:27,362 --> 01:06:31,365
There was no justice for a
woman who lost her husband,
1205
01:06:31,366 --> 01:06:36,036
no justice for a mother and
father who lost their son.
1206
01:06:37,706 --> 01:06:41,326
There was no elation
on the defense side.
1207
01:06:41,334 --> 01:06:44,003
There's no winners.
Everyone loses.
1208
01:06:44,004 --> 01:06:46,005
Kathy lost her husband.
1209
01:06:46,006 --> 01:06:48,674
Joe lost his reputation,
his partnership.
1210
01:06:48,675 --> 01:06:51,925
They were excommunicated from
the District of Columbia.
1211
01:06:51,928 --> 01:06:54,468
It's a tragedy.
1212
01:06:54,472 --> 01:06:57,979
{\an8}Even if the defendants did
not participate in the murder,
1213
01:06:57,980 --> 01:07:00,896
some or all of them knew enough
about the circumstances of it
1214
01:07:00,897 --> 01:07:04,475
to provide helpful
information to law enforcement
1215
01:07:04,482 --> 01:07:06,442
and have chosen to
withhold that information
1216
01:07:06,443 --> 01:07:08,819
for reasons of their own.
1217
01:07:08,820 --> 01:07:11,320
{\an8}The judge even acknowledged
1218
01:07:11,322 --> 01:07:13,615
{\an8}that she did not buy
1219
01:07:13,616 --> 01:07:15,036
{\an8}the story they were telling.
1220
01:07:15,037 --> 01:07:18,704
So, how do you find
them not guilty?
1221
01:07:18,705 --> 01:07:21,705
My focus on the difference
between moral certainty
1222
01:07:21,708 --> 01:07:23,788
and evidentiary
certainty in this case
1223
01:07:23,793 --> 01:07:27,173
is probably cold comfort to
those who loved Robert Wone
1224
01:07:27,174 --> 01:07:31,467
and wish for some measure
of peace or justice.
1225
01:07:31,468 --> 01:07:33,218
Judge Leibovitz said,
"Make no mistake,
1226
01:07:33,219 --> 01:07:34,799
I know what happened in there,"
1227
01:07:34,804 --> 01:07:40,142
which was completely
gratuitous and unnecessary.
1228
01:07:40,143 --> 01:07:42,353
Judge Leibovitz
made an observation
1229
01:07:42,354 --> 01:07:45,606
that there's a difference
between moral certainty...
1230
01:07:45,607 --> 01:07:47,227
That these guys
covered up the crime
1231
01:07:47,233 --> 01:07:49,651
and we all kind of know it...
1232
01:07:49,652 --> 01:07:51,904
And evidentiary certainty...
1233
01:07:51,905 --> 01:07:56,785
More precisely, proof
beyond a reasonable doubt.
1234
01:07:58,328 --> 01:08:00,368
The judge has
acquitted all three
1235
01:08:00,372 --> 01:08:02,419
on obstruction of
justice charges.
1236
01:08:02,420 --> 01:08:04,625
Kathy Wone left the
courthouse in tears,
1237
01:08:04,626 --> 01:08:07,044
her quest for justice
in a shambles.
1238
01:08:07,045 --> 01:08:08,504
She declined to comment.
1239
01:08:08,505 --> 01:08:09,835
As they have since the
night of the murder,
1240
01:08:09,839 --> 01:08:12,379
all three defendants
also had nothing to say.
1241
01:08:12,384 --> 01:08:13,894
We have no comment right now.
1242
01:08:13,895 --> 01:08:17,505
We all understand and
accept the judge's verdict.
1243
01:08:17,514 --> 01:08:21,392
We can only hope
that further evidence
1244
01:08:21,393 --> 01:08:22,771
continues to come to light
1245
01:08:22,772 --> 01:08:24,599
that will allow
us to move forward
1246
01:08:24,604 --> 01:08:27,614
in the homicide investigation.
1247
01:08:30,568 --> 01:08:33,195
{\an8}I... "regret" is
too strong a word;
1248
01:08:33,196 --> 01:08:34,776
I question myself.
1249
01:08:34,781 --> 01:08:37,449
I think we made
the best decision
1250
01:08:37,450 --> 01:08:39,450
for the right
reasons at the time.
1251
01:08:39,452 --> 01:08:43,956
Maybe I should have seen things
that I didn't see back then,
1252
01:08:43,957 --> 01:08:47,127
because perhaps the result
would have been different.
1253
01:08:49,004 --> 01:08:52,220
I think the Court's verdict
reflects just a lot of time
1254
01:08:52,221 --> 01:08:54,545
that the judge spent
over the evidence,
1255
01:08:54,551 --> 01:08:56,635
over the testimony.
1256
01:08:56,636 --> 01:08:58,886
Unless there's other
evidence I'm unaware of,
1257
01:08:58,888 --> 01:09:01,678
you'll never shake me
that Price is innocent.
1258
01:09:01,683 --> 01:09:04,184
I could be fooled,
but after 33 years,
1259
01:09:04,185 --> 01:09:06,515
I can get a pretty
good read on people.
1260
01:09:06,521 --> 01:09:10,981
He was factually innocent; and
if he is, the other two are.
1261
01:09:14,029 --> 01:09:16,029
There's not
unanswered questions,
1262
01:09:16,031 --> 01:09:20,081
there's one singular question,
which is: who did it?
1263
01:09:33,048 --> 01:09:35,588
A bombshell dropped in the
trial of three men accused
1264
01:09:35,592 --> 01:09:37,142
of covering up the
murder of a friend.
1265
01:09:37,143 --> 01:09:40,175
A source familiar with the
case says his widow has agreed
1266
01:09:40,180 --> 01:09:42,768
to settle her $20
million wrongful death
1267
01:09:42,769 --> 01:09:44,426
civil suit out of court.
1268
01:09:44,434 --> 01:09:47,314
Kathy brought a wrongful death
suit against the three guys,
1269
01:09:47,315 --> 01:09:49,104
Joe, Victor and Dylan.
1270
01:09:49,105 --> 01:09:51,605
Kathy wanted them to speak.
She begged them to come
1271
01:09:51,608 --> 01:09:53,438
and testify at the civil trial.
1272
01:09:53,443 --> 01:09:54,862
They took the Fifth.
1273
01:09:54,863 --> 01:09:57,241
They are hiding behind
the Fifth Amendment
1274
01:09:57,242 --> 01:10:01,278
on very straightforward
questions like,
1275
01:10:01,284 --> 01:10:03,786
Did you kill Robert Wone?
1276
01:10:03,787 --> 01:10:07,667
Kathy Wone settled for a cash
settlement to a charitable trust
1277
01:10:07,668 --> 01:10:11,165
because the trio
refused to cooperate.
1278
01:10:11,169 --> 01:10:12,959
It's undisclosed,
the dollar amount...
1279
01:10:12,962 --> 01:10:13,962
We have no idea.
1280
01:10:13,963 --> 01:10:15,883
When you settle a civil suit,
1281
01:10:15,884 --> 01:10:18,302
when you've been
accused of wrongfully
1282
01:10:18,303 --> 01:10:21,011
causing the death of
somebody, and you decide,
1283
01:10:21,012 --> 01:10:22,809
I'm not going to go to
court and fight that,
1284
01:10:22,810 --> 01:10:25,766
rather, I'm going to pay
out to make it go away...
1285
01:10:25,767 --> 01:10:28,767
I don't equate
that with justice.
1286
01:10:31,356 --> 01:10:32,476
It's very draining.
1287
01:10:32,482 --> 01:10:35,651
{\an8}It does require
a lot out of you,
1288
01:10:35,652 --> 01:10:37,782
{\an8}both emotionally and physically.
1289
01:10:37,783 --> 01:10:41,319
You come to realize that
it's actually very sacred.
1290
01:10:41,324 --> 01:10:42,912
That makes a big difference,
1291
01:10:42,913 --> 01:10:45,449
rather than just viewing
that emotional void
1292
01:10:45,453 --> 01:10:47,871
as just a black hole.
1293
01:10:47,872 --> 01:10:50,832
The four and a half years
that I had with Robert,
1294
01:10:50,834 --> 01:10:52,634
it is a very sacred.
1295
01:11:05,849 --> 01:11:10,099
There are three people who
know who murdered Robert Wan.
1296
01:11:13,064 --> 01:11:15,524
And they're still not talking.
1297
01:11:15,525 --> 01:11:18,775
It angers me that
1298
01:11:18,778 --> 01:11:22,528
Joe, Victor and Dylan
1299
01:11:22,532 --> 01:11:24,867
abdicated their responsibility
1300
01:11:24,868 --> 01:11:27,198
to their good friend Robert.
1301
01:11:27,203 --> 01:11:28,623
It's not over yet.
1302
01:11:28,624 --> 01:11:31,791
It may be a long time,
but it's not over.
1303
01:11:33,877 --> 01:11:37,707
To this day, we
don't have answers.
1304
01:11:37,714 --> 01:11:40,220
I'm hoping that somebody
will recall something
1305
01:11:40,221 --> 01:11:43,756
about that night that they never
told anybody and come forward
1306
01:11:43,762 --> 01:11:46,597
and give us the
keys or the clues
1307
01:11:46,598 --> 01:11:50,098
that help detectives
solve what happened.
1308
01:11:52,020 --> 01:11:56,230
When I die, first question
I'm going to ask God:
1309
01:11:56,232 --> 01:11:58,322
Who killed Robert Wone?
1310
01:12:05,742 --> 01:12:08,118
One of the things
I've come to learn
1311
01:12:08,119 --> 01:12:10,579
over my career as
a prosecutor is,
1312
01:12:10,580 --> 01:12:13,120
justice is a
never-ending journey.
1313
01:12:13,124 --> 01:12:14,964
It's a process.
1314
01:12:17,170 --> 01:12:19,049
Glenn has told me, even
though he's retired
1315
01:12:19,050 --> 01:12:21,967
from the U.S. Attorney's office,
this will always be his case.
1316
01:12:21,968 --> 01:12:24,796
There's no statute of
limitations on murder
1317
01:12:24,803 --> 01:12:26,053
in the District of Columbia.
1318
01:12:26,054 --> 01:12:28,263
If evidence surfaced
down the road
1319
01:12:28,264 --> 01:12:31,484
that would prove what happened
inside that house that night,
1320
01:12:31,485 --> 01:12:33,806
somebody could be prosecuted.
1321
01:12:35,522 --> 01:12:39,066
The homicide case is
still out there lurking...
1322
01:12:39,067 --> 01:12:42,695
All's Glenn needs is one
statement, one accident,
1323
01:12:42,696 --> 01:12:45,864
somebody says something
out of context,
1324
01:12:45,865 --> 01:12:49,115
and he's back in the ball game.
1325
01:12:49,119 --> 01:12:53,288
They bring them up on murder
charges and I'll try it.
1326
01:12:53,289 --> 01:12:54,999
I-I'll do it for nothin'.
1327
01:13:00,672 --> 01:13:03,682
I don't feel like
I've ever stopped.
1328
01:13:07,303 --> 01:13:11,393
We'll keep working to
find Robert's killers.
1329
01:13:13,393 --> 01:13:17,733
That final chapter
remains to be written.
1330
01:14:02,192 --> 01:14:06,402
{\an8}Why would it be Dylan as
opposed to Joe or Victor?
1331
01:14:17,791 --> 01:14:19,881
This case has more questions
than it has answers.
1332
01:14:19,882 --> 01:14:23,206
I don't know. And it
will bug me forever.
1333
01:14:23,213 --> 01:14:25,592
But yeah, you're right,
if somebody said,
1334
01:14:25,593 --> 01:14:28,050
"Bernie, there's a gun
to your mother's head,
1335
01:14:28,051 --> 01:14:29,801
what's your best guess?"
1336
01:14:29,803 --> 01:14:31,263
I'd say Dylan.
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