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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,215 --> 00:00:09,505 It's very much like the movie "Clue." 2 00:00:09,509 --> 00:00:12,349 There were four people in the house that night. 3 00:00:12,350 --> 00:00:15,425 79 minutes later, one person is dead 4 00:00:15,432 --> 00:00:18,809 and three people are saying "not me." 5 00:00:18,810 --> 00:00:21,350 What happened to 32 year old Robert Wone, 6 00:00:21,354 --> 00:00:24,234 the prominent Asian American attorney found stabbed 7 00:00:24,235 --> 00:00:27,572 {\an8}inside his friend's house late Wednesday night. 8 00:00:34,242 --> 00:00:35,951 {\an8}When I first walked in, the three guys that were 9 00:00:35,952 --> 00:00:40,164 in the house, Joe Price, Dylan Ward and Victor Zaborsky, 10 00:00:40,165 --> 00:00:41,825 they had white robes on. 11 00:00:41,833 --> 00:00:46,003 On the nightstand was the knife from a knife set in the kitchen. 12 00:00:46,004 --> 00:00:48,674 There's just a little bit of blood on the pullout bed. 13 00:00:48,675 --> 00:00:51,133 I remember thinking there's something wrong here. 14 00:00:51,134 --> 00:00:52,764 Where's the rest of it? 15 00:00:57,432 --> 00:00:59,982 All the homicide detectives were looking through it 16 00:00:59,983 --> 00:01:01,806 with homophobic lenses. 17 00:01:01,811 --> 00:01:03,481 "You're in a three-way relationship, 18 00:01:03,482 --> 00:01:06,400 you're a freak, who else would have done it but you?" 19 00:01:10,487 --> 00:01:12,946 {\an8}He went to school with Robert. Joe was at his wedding. 20 00:01:12,947 --> 00:01:15,237 Joe threw a surprise party for him. 21 00:01:15,241 --> 00:01:17,409 What was his motive? 22 00:01:17,410 --> 00:01:19,580 We have a victim with inexplicable 23 00:01:19,581 --> 00:01:22,249 needle puncture marks, no defensive wounds, 24 00:01:22,250 --> 00:01:26,585 and three perfect, almost surgical-like defects. 25 00:01:26,586 --> 00:01:31,296 Our own theory was he had to be alive, paralyzed. 26 00:01:31,299 --> 00:01:33,258 When we were searchin' Dylan's room, 27 00:01:33,259 --> 00:01:36,929 we found hundreds and hundreds of sexual devices. 28 00:01:36,930 --> 00:01:40,430 The medical examiner performed a rape kit. 29 00:01:40,433 --> 00:01:45,437 She found semen around his genitalia and inside his rectum. 30 00:01:45,438 --> 00:01:47,108 An intruder doesn't incapacitate 31 00:01:47,109 --> 00:01:50,067 and sexually assault somebody and stabbed them three times, 32 00:01:50,068 --> 00:01:54,278 all unbeknown to the three guys who live there. 33 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,320 We get the DNA results back. 34 00:01:56,324 --> 00:02:00,504 It turns out it's Robert's own semen. 35 00:02:10,296 --> 00:02:15,836 For the prosecution, Glenn's job is linear. 36 00:02:15,844 --> 00:02:18,178 It's vertical. 37 00:02:18,179 --> 00:02:21,515 It's to build. 38 00:02:21,516 --> 00:02:24,976 Four people in the house, one person dead. 39 00:02:24,978 --> 00:02:26,478 We think these guys did it. 40 00:02:26,479 --> 00:02:28,147 This is the motive. 41 00:02:28,148 --> 00:02:30,148 This is the murder weapon. 42 00:02:30,150 --> 00:02:32,860 And it just builds and builds. 43 00:02:32,861 --> 00:02:34,194 As the defense, 44 00:02:34,195 --> 00:02:37,735 our job is nothing but utter destruction. 45 00:02:39,284 --> 00:02:41,494 We just rip it apart. 46 00:02:43,288 --> 00:02:45,914 Bernie's a worthy adversary. 47 00:02:45,915 --> 00:02:49,165 Bernie's job is to pick apart one piece of evidence here, 48 00:02:49,169 --> 00:02:50,459 one piece of evidence there. 49 00:02:50,462 --> 00:02:52,921 And that's what defense attorneys do. 50 00:02:52,922 --> 00:02:56,382 My job as a prosecutor, you put it together 51 00:02:56,384 --> 00:03:00,637 and you see what picture emerges. 52 00:03:00,638 --> 00:03:03,928 There is no perfect crime, 53 00:03:03,933 --> 00:03:07,519 but this is about as close to a perfect cover-up 54 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,860 as I have ever seen. 55 00:03:11,816 --> 00:03:13,816 The body of attorney Robert Wone 56 00:03:13,818 --> 00:03:18,447 was found stabbed to death inside his friend's home. 57 00:03:18,448 --> 00:03:20,448 Police say someone broke into this rowhouse 58 00:03:20,450 --> 00:03:23,200 and fatally stabbed 32 year old Robert Wone. 59 00:03:23,203 --> 00:03:27,042 A high-profile murder case that turned a Dupont Circle townhouse 60 00:03:27,043 --> 00:03:28,669 into the center of a mystery. 61 00:03:28,670 --> 00:03:31,457 The murder has been the talk of D.C. for years. 62 00:03:31,461 --> 00:03:34,049 Detectives believe Robert was sexually assaulted 63 00:03:34,050 --> 00:03:35,377 and then murdered. 64 00:03:35,382 --> 00:03:37,301 Three D.C. men accused of covering up 65 00:03:37,302 --> 00:03:39,388 the murder of their friend Robert Wone. 66 00:03:39,389 --> 00:03:42,256 Four guys in the house, one guy ends up dead, 67 00:03:42,263 --> 00:03:44,643 the other three say, "I didn't do it." 68 00:03:44,644 --> 00:03:47,434 It's quite a mystery we got in here. 69 00:03:47,435 --> 00:03:51,265 The big question is, who killed Robert Wone? 70 00:04:07,455 --> 00:04:10,705 So it is now four or five days after the murder. 71 00:04:10,709 --> 00:04:13,289 We believe Robert was incapacitated 72 00:04:13,294 --> 00:04:14,920 when he was stabbed, 73 00:04:14,921 --> 00:04:20,384 {\an8}and we know he had his own semen inside his own anal cavity. 74 00:04:20,385 --> 00:04:22,005 {\an8}I remember thinking, 75 00:04:22,012 --> 00:04:24,555 {\an8}You've gotta be fuckin' kiddin' me. 76 00:04:24,556 --> 00:04:27,426 {\an8}We have semen, and it's Robert's. 77 00:04:29,185 --> 00:04:32,685 The mystery was, how did the semen get into his rectum? 78 00:04:32,689 --> 00:04:34,769 {\an8}Was it inserted there for one reason or another 79 00:04:34,774 --> 00:04:38,152 {\an8}by someone who may have sexually assaulted him? 80 00:04:38,153 --> 00:04:41,780 Who does it implicate? Who does it exonerate? 81 00:04:41,781 --> 00:04:45,784 These are now the investigative paths we have to go down 82 00:04:45,785 --> 00:04:48,745 to try to figure out what happened to Robert. 83 00:04:48,747 --> 00:04:52,077 If Robert was involved in sexual activity 84 00:04:52,083 --> 00:04:54,668 or if he was forcibly raped, 85 00:04:54,669 --> 00:04:57,959 you would see that at the autopsy. 86 00:04:57,964 --> 00:05:00,632 None of that was found. 87 00:05:00,633 --> 00:05:04,345 But his semen was found inside him. 88 00:05:04,346 --> 00:05:08,096 How does that happen? 89 00:05:08,099 --> 00:05:10,976 So now we begin to consider 90 00:05:10,977 --> 00:05:15,397 all of the fairly sophisticated S&M equipment 91 00:05:15,398 --> 00:05:17,648 in Dylan's bedroom. 92 00:05:17,650 --> 00:05:22,196 One of the things that we found in Dylan's room was 93 00:05:22,197 --> 00:05:25,407 a pulse electric TENS machine. 94 00:05:25,408 --> 00:05:28,827 The ErosTek electro stimulator device 95 00:05:28,828 --> 00:05:33,788 {\an8}designed to force stimulate ejaculation. 96 00:05:33,792 --> 00:05:37,711 Well, now, perhaps that's related 97 00:05:37,712 --> 00:05:40,092 to the fact that we found Robert's semen 98 00:05:40,093 --> 00:05:43,759 inside his own anal cavity. 99 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,596 Then the question is, after Robert's semen got on him, 100 00:05:47,597 --> 00:05:49,306 was one of the sexual devices 101 00:05:49,307 --> 00:05:54,847 used to put Robert's semen in him? 102 00:05:54,854 --> 00:05:57,444 It just sort of sends the investigation off 103 00:05:57,445 --> 00:05:59,230 into a stratosphere 104 00:05:59,234 --> 00:06:03,153 where we're not all that comfortable operating. 105 00:06:03,154 --> 00:06:07,157 {\an8}You can't ejaculate unless you want to. 106 00:06:07,158 --> 00:06:09,988 {\an8}It has to be some desire to be excited. 107 00:06:09,994 --> 00:06:13,544 You can't stick some mechanical device onto your testicles 108 00:06:13,545 --> 00:06:15,790 and say, okay, now I feel good. 109 00:06:15,792 --> 00:06:19,795 He could have masturbated, I don't know. 110 00:06:19,796 --> 00:06:23,756 But at the end of the day, there is no DNA of Robert Wone 111 00:06:23,758 --> 00:06:27,636 found on any of the sex toys, period. 112 00:06:27,637 --> 00:06:30,847 Another one of Glenn's dead-end theories. 113 00:06:30,849 --> 00:06:35,059 What... what's the relevance of Robert having his own semen 114 00:06:35,061 --> 00:06:36,561 in his own rectum? 115 00:06:36,563 --> 00:06:40,024 I have no idea how that even happened. 116 00:06:40,025 --> 00:06:44,945 It was another one of those missing pieces of the puzzle. 117 00:06:46,656 --> 00:06:49,575 Now, we're trying to find something 118 00:06:49,576 --> 00:06:52,036 that was going to reveal a clue. 119 00:06:52,037 --> 00:06:55,914 So, we got a search warrant for all the computers. 120 00:06:55,915 --> 00:06:59,415 All you had to do was go to the basic history 121 00:06:59,419 --> 00:07:04,256 and find just thousands and thousands of images of porn. 122 00:07:04,257 --> 00:07:07,885 There was a significant amount of their own images 123 00:07:07,886 --> 00:07:10,676 that Joe and Dylan created. 124 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,849 It was a lot of bondage and S&M. 125 00:07:13,850 --> 00:07:17,770 If you asked anybody, Joe's in charge in everyday life. 126 00:07:17,771 --> 00:07:20,481 Well, Joe was not in charge in the bedroom, 127 00:07:20,482 --> 00:07:22,316 it was clearly Dylan. 128 00:07:22,317 --> 00:07:27,027 We learned that Dylan was the dom and Joe was the sub. 129 00:07:29,699 --> 00:07:32,868 {\an8}BDSM relationships are not designed to be equal. 130 00:07:32,869 --> 00:07:36,955 Dylan had a lot of power, certainly in the bedroom. 131 00:07:36,956 --> 00:07:40,834 To find out what specifically this BDSM relationship 132 00:07:40,835 --> 00:07:45,255 was between Joe and Dylan is very important. 133 00:07:45,256 --> 00:07:47,376 Could you take that to the next level? 134 00:07:47,384 --> 00:07:50,554 "I killed this person and you will shut up about it." 135 00:07:50,555 --> 00:07:52,471 Is that the next level? 136 00:07:52,472 --> 00:07:54,682 The BDSM stuff is consensual. 137 00:07:54,683 --> 00:07:56,561 If I'm gay and I have two partners 138 00:07:56,562 --> 00:07:58,268 and we have all sorts of dildos 139 00:07:58,269 --> 00:07:59,939 and electronic things we attach to each other, 140 00:07:59,940 --> 00:08:01,688 you're gonna think I murdered somebody? 141 00:08:01,690 --> 00:08:03,148 It's preposterous. 142 00:08:03,149 --> 00:08:05,489 Everybody is entitled to do whatever they want 143 00:08:05,490 --> 00:08:08,855 as consenting adults, 144 00:08:08,863 --> 00:08:11,829 but when you have somebody dead in your guest room 145 00:08:11,830 --> 00:08:14,405 who apparently has been either sexually assaulted 146 00:08:14,411 --> 00:08:17,996 or involved in sexual activity of this nature, 147 00:08:17,997 --> 00:08:21,957 you have to explore all these possibilities. 148 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,420 We did a lot of research looking for something 149 00:08:25,422 --> 00:08:27,506 that would tip us off. 150 00:08:27,507 --> 00:08:31,635 We discovered Joe's online profile. 151 00:08:31,636 --> 00:08:34,596 Joe's profile was on the particular 152 00:08:34,597 --> 00:08:38,887 kind of sex site, ALT.com. 153 00:08:38,893 --> 00:08:41,729 Activities enjoyed: electro torture, 154 00:08:41,730 --> 00:08:43,230 EMS TENS unit, 155 00:08:43,231 --> 00:08:46,071 bondage, masochism, master/slave, handcuffs, 156 00:08:46,072 --> 00:08:50,567 shackles, humiliation, sensory deprivation, 157 00:08:50,572 --> 00:08:53,282 power exchange, rack/medieval devices. 158 00:08:53,283 --> 00:08:55,873 The S&M relationship between Joe and Dylan 159 00:08:55,874 --> 00:08:58,909 was not dress up in leather and harnesses. 160 00:08:58,913 --> 00:09:03,876 It was inflicting pain, it was caging in confinement. 161 00:09:03,877 --> 00:09:06,917 It tended more towards the extreme. 162 00:09:09,466 --> 00:09:11,756 In Dylan's room, we found cases 163 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,387 and cases of different restraints and devices 164 00:09:15,388 --> 00:09:17,765 to hold another person down. 165 00:09:17,766 --> 00:09:23,395 If there was a way to restrain Robert without injuries, 166 00:09:23,396 --> 00:09:25,356 I think Dylan and Joe 167 00:09:25,357 --> 00:09:28,687 were probably the guys to know how to do it. 168 00:09:28,693 --> 00:09:30,903 They've got all these torture devices. 169 00:09:30,904 --> 00:09:33,414 Why should it stop there? Do you go a little farther 170 00:09:33,415 --> 00:09:39,446 and accidentally or intentionally kill somebody? 171 00:09:39,454 --> 00:09:40,754 The assumption he was tortured, 172 00:09:40,755 --> 00:09:43,077 Where's the evidence of that? None. 173 00:09:43,083 --> 00:09:45,668 There would had been ligature marks 174 00:09:45,669 --> 00:09:47,589 tied around his wrists like this, 175 00:09:47,590 --> 00:09:51,924 or on his neck, legs, ankles... They found none of those. 176 00:09:51,925 --> 00:09:55,005 If Robert wasn't tortured, the other side of the coin, 177 00:09:55,011 --> 00:09:57,346 or an alternative theory was that 178 00:09:57,347 --> 00:09:58,927 Robert was a willing participant 179 00:09:58,932 --> 00:10:03,560 in a bondage, sadomasochistic relationship, 180 00:10:03,561 --> 00:10:07,271 and something went wrong. 181 00:10:07,273 --> 00:10:08,649 I asked Mr. Price 182 00:10:08,650 --> 00:10:11,110 every conceivable question under the sun. 183 00:10:11,111 --> 00:10:13,821 Did you make passes at Robert? Did he make passes at you? 184 00:10:13,822 --> 00:10:19,159 Did he say, Hey, what is this type of sex like? 185 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,200 Did he come over to your house because he was hiding it 186 00:10:21,204 --> 00:10:22,454 from Kathy? 187 00:10:22,455 --> 00:10:25,075 Everything. If I haven't asked it, tell me. 188 00:10:25,083 --> 00:10:28,377 Mr. Price told me the exact same thing, 189 00:10:28,378 --> 00:10:30,258 that he told investigators. 190 00:10:38,763 --> 00:10:42,057 {\an8}Married men sometimes have a fling 191 00:10:42,058 --> 00:10:44,308 {\an8}with somebody of the same sex. 192 00:10:44,310 --> 00:10:45,769 {\an8}That's not unusual. 193 00:10:45,770 --> 00:10:47,900 Whether Robert Wone was agreeing 194 00:10:47,901 --> 00:10:50,477 to engage in a fantasy scene 195 00:10:50,483 --> 00:10:53,235 or an S&M role-playing scenario 196 00:10:53,236 --> 00:10:57,276 that got out of hand and someone lost control, 197 00:10:57,282 --> 00:10:58,824 we don't know. 198 00:10:58,825 --> 00:11:01,825 Do I believe that Robert went over there for that? 199 00:11:01,828 --> 00:11:03,454 Absolutely not. 200 00:11:03,455 --> 00:11:07,875 There would be some type of evidence to show 201 00:11:07,876 --> 00:11:09,416 that he wanted to experiment 202 00:11:09,419 --> 00:11:13,339 or he was bisexual or gay or whatever. 203 00:11:13,340 --> 00:11:14,880 There was nothing. 204 00:11:14,883 --> 00:11:16,723 He had computers. He had a phone. 205 00:11:16,724 --> 00:11:21,058 There was nobody that came out of the woodwork after the fact. 206 00:11:24,392 --> 00:11:27,728 There was another curious piece of the puzzle: 207 00:11:27,729 --> 00:11:29,769 among Dr. Goslinoski's findings 208 00:11:29,773 --> 00:11:32,358 was that Robert had his night guard 209 00:11:32,359 --> 00:11:33,776 in his mouth. 210 00:11:33,777 --> 00:11:36,697 His wife, Kathy, said the last thing he did every night 211 00:11:36,698 --> 00:11:38,276 after he brushed his teeth, 212 00:11:38,281 --> 00:11:42,034 he would put his mouth guard in and he would go to sleep. 213 00:11:42,035 --> 00:11:44,825 So if you have people who are theorizing that Robert was there 214 00:11:44,829 --> 00:11:47,419 to partake in some kind of sexual activity, 215 00:11:47,420 --> 00:11:50,785 why would his mouth guard be in his mouth? 216 00:11:50,794 --> 00:11:52,884 Who has sex with a mouth guard in? 217 00:12:02,055 --> 00:12:05,224 As the investigation is unfolding, 218 00:12:05,225 --> 00:12:08,055 the toxicology results come in. 219 00:12:08,061 --> 00:12:10,979 You had the question, was Robert drugged 220 00:12:10,980 --> 00:12:14,780 by one or others inside the house that night? 221 00:12:16,736 --> 00:12:18,356 Now, remember, we have a victim 222 00:12:18,363 --> 00:12:20,413 with inexplicable needle puncture marks, 223 00:12:20,414 --> 00:12:22,487 no defensive wounds, 224 00:12:22,492 --> 00:12:27,121 and three perfect, almost surgical like defects. 225 00:12:27,122 --> 00:12:31,000 All of that suggested he was unable to move. 226 00:12:31,001 --> 00:12:33,751 The chief toxicologist for the District of Columbia 227 00:12:33,753 --> 00:12:35,754 runs a battery of tests... 228 00:12:35,755 --> 00:12:38,335 Opioids, cocaine, phencyclidine... 229 00:12:38,341 --> 00:12:41,760 Drugs of abuse that can be associated with 230 00:12:41,761 --> 00:12:44,888 people losing consciousness. 231 00:12:44,889 --> 00:12:46,679 After the autopsy findings, 232 00:12:46,683 --> 00:12:51,979 {\an8}we were waiting for these toxicology results to come back. 233 00:12:51,980 --> 00:12:54,356 We were looking for substances 234 00:12:54,357 --> 00:13:00,195 that would render a person immobile or unconscious. 235 00:13:00,196 --> 00:13:04,825 We have witness testimony that says that Joe and Dylan 236 00:13:04,826 --> 00:13:06,946 did use different drugs. 237 00:13:06,953 --> 00:13:08,873 We found ecstasy at the scene. 238 00:13:08,874 --> 00:13:11,874 Our own theory was Joe's online screen name 239 00:13:11,875 --> 00:13:13,995 was short for ketamine. 240 00:13:16,338 --> 00:13:18,918 When that report came back... 241 00:13:20,550 --> 00:13:24,390 The results were negative. 242 00:13:28,350 --> 00:13:30,100 Clean. 243 00:13:31,478 --> 00:13:35,068 Now, they didn't test for paralytics like succinylcholine, 244 00:13:35,069 --> 00:13:37,935 the most common paralytic anesthetic 245 00:13:37,942 --> 00:13:42,196 used in the medical practice. 246 00:13:42,197 --> 00:13:45,777 But a tox screen would not disclose 247 00:13:45,784 --> 00:13:49,078 if Robert had been injected with succinylcholine 248 00:13:49,079 --> 00:13:52,664 because it naturally breaks down into compounds 249 00:13:52,665 --> 00:13:55,455 that occur in the human body. 250 00:13:57,921 --> 00:14:00,214 Substances like succinylcholine 251 00:14:00,215 --> 00:14:03,255 have this pattern of metabolism 252 00:14:03,259 --> 00:14:07,596 that makes them undetectable after a period of time. 253 00:14:07,597 --> 00:14:11,177 It doesn't necessarily mean that they were not used. 254 00:14:11,184 --> 00:14:16,484 It just means that we can't prove that they were used. 255 00:14:18,316 --> 00:14:19,936 One of the theories run up the flagpole 256 00:14:19,943 --> 00:14:23,195 was that Robert was incapacitated. 257 00:14:23,196 --> 00:14:26,196 If there's a paralytic drug, they would have found it. 258 00:14:26,199 --> 00:14:29,199 Look at the autopsy report, there's no sign of it. 259 00:14:29,202 --> 00:14:30,872 It's defeated scientifically 260 00:14:30,873 --> 00:14:33,580 by the government's own pathologist. 261 00:14:33,581 --> 00:14:37,626 None of it seems to make sense because there's no evidence 262 00:14:37,627 --> 00:14:40,087 that they have that Robert was drugged 263 00:14:40,088 --> 00:14:42,506 and then sexually assaulted. 264 00:14:42,507 --> 00:14:46,797 But there's evidence that something very strange and wrong 265 00:14:46,803 --> 00:14:48,887 happened inside that house. 266 00:14:48,888 --> 00:14:50,718 You go down all these paths, 267 00:14:50,724 --> 00:14:53,767 you still come back to the same questions. 268 00:14:53,768 --> 00:14:57,688 Was sexual assault part of what happened that night or not? 269 00:14:57,689 --> 00:14:59,569 How did the semen get into his rectum? 270 00:14:59,570 --> 00:15:03,106 Was Roberts shot up with some sort of paralytic agent? 271 00:15:03,111 --> 00:15:06,447 And why didn't Robert react after he was stabbed? 272 00:15:06,448 --> 00:15:08,738 And then you have to try and cram everything into 273 00:15:08,742 --> 00:15:11,242 a 79-minute timeline. 274 00:15:11,244 --> 00:15:14,788 That's what makes the story so maddening. 275 00:15:14,789 --> 00:15:16,289 It's so convoluted, 276 00:15:16,291 --> 00:15:19,001 so confusing, so confounding. 277 00:15:19,002 --> 00:15:20,836 Nothing adds up. 278 00:15:20,837 --> 00:15:23,127 It's an Escher drawing. 279 00:15:23,131 --> 00:15:26,091 You get to the top of the stairway... 280 00:15:26,092 --> 00:15:28,602 you actually find out it's going down. 281 00:15:39,939 --> 00:15:43,189 The funeral was a Tuesday. 282 00:15:43,193 --> 00:15:46,283 {\an8}The family asked me to deliver a eulogy at the funeral. 283 00:15:46,284 --> 00:15:49,319 {\an8}So this is the eulogy that I wrote. 284 00:15:51,326 --> 00:15:54,326 "Robert has been a friend of mine since college. 285 00:15:56,664 --> 00:15:58,294 Robert said he wanted to be a lawyer 286 00:15:58,295 --> 00:16:01,591 because he wanted to make a difference in public policies. 287 00:16:03,254 --> 00:16:04,634 And see the effects of his efforts 288 00:16:04,635 --> 00:16:07,131 improving the situation of people around him. 289 00:16:07,133 --> 00:16:09,843 As those of us today can all attest, 290 00:16:09,844 --> 00:16:11,684 Robert achieved his goals. 291 00:16:13,348 --> 00:16:15,307 Robert and Kathy have a warm, loving marriage. 292 00:16:15,308 --> 00:16:18,188 There is no doubt Robert continues to love her today 293 00:16:18,189 --> 00:16:20,106 from his place in heaven." 294 00:16:25,985 --> 00:16:28,565 {\an8}I have no relationship with Joe, Victor and Dylan, 295 00:16:28,571 --> 00:16:31,321 {\an8}so I was suspected for them from the beginning. 296 00:16:31,324 --> 00:16:34,203 But I remember that Kathy still really thought 297 00:16:34,204 --> 00:16:36,332 that the guys were also victims in this. 298 00:16:36,333 --> 00:16:39,665 She was still at a point where 299 00:16:39,666 --> 00:16:42,584 she believed their story. 300 00:16:42,585 --> 00:16:45,205 I was more on board with Kathy 301 00:16:45,213 --> 00:16:47,423 and wanting to believe the best people 302 00:16:47,424 --> 00:16:49,299 that had been our friends, 303 00:16:49,300 --> 00:16:51,385 {\an8}but by the time of the funeral, 304 00:16:51,386 --> 00:16:55,136 {\an8}it was clear that there was something wrong. 305 00:16:55,140 --> 00:16:58,180 Kathy Wone knew that Joe Price 306 00:16:58,184 --> 00:17:00,728 {\an8}was a close friend of her husband's, 307 00:17:00,729 --> 00:17:05,229 and Joe Price is a pallbearer at Robert's funeral. 308 00:17:05,233 --> 00:17:08,527 I was standing across the casket from Joe. 309 00:17:08,528 --> 00:17:10,778 I said, So how are you sleeping? 310 00:17:12,574 --> 00:17:16,244 And he just buried his head, he didn't respond. 311 00:17:18,663 --> 00:17:21,503 We heard Joe was playing the victim card at the funeral. 312 00:17:21,504 --> 00:17:27,004 {\an8}There was a receiving line for Kathy and the Wone family. 313 00:17:27,005 --> 00:17:31,545 And Joe had his own receiving line to accept condolences. 314 00:17:37,057 --> 00:17:40,557 I remember standing in the lobby kind of greeting people 315 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,895 and saw the detectives come in. 316 00:17:42,896 --> 00:17:45,186 I knew something was odd. 317 00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:47,730 How many times do detectives go to funerals? 318 00:17:53,698 --> 00:17:57,908 We're about one week into the investigation. 319 00:17:57,911 --> 00:18:00,581 After we hit a dead end on the sexual assault angle, 320 00:18:00,582 --> 00:18:04,249 {\an8}we turned our attention back to the first piece of the puzzle. 321 00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:06,750 Where is the missing blood? 322 00:18:06,753 --> 00:18:11,215 No blood on his body, almost no blood on the scene. 323 00:18:11,216 --> 00:18:13,086 Everybody who set foot in that house 324 00:18:13,093 --> 00:18:17,179 other than these three guys could tell you intuitively 325 00:18:17,180 --> 00:18:19,098 this is an orchestration. 326 00:18:19,099 --> 00:18:24,519 We needed to try to prove that blood had been cleaned up. 327 00:18:24,521 --> 00:18:27,400 It was a theory that Robert wasn't stabbed inside that room. 328 00:18:27,401 --> 00:18:29,729 Maybe it happened somewhere else in the house. 329 00:18:29,734 --> 00:18:33,987 Maybe Robert's body was cleaned up and then put back in the bed. 330 00:18:33,988 --> 00:18:37,198 {\an8}If you rewind back to the way the scene was, 331 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,490 it looked like it was staged. 332 00:18:42,372 --> 00:18:45,460 He was just stabbed three times: where's the blood? 333 00:18:45,461 --> 00:18:48,127 You kind of come up with these theories like it had 334 00:18:48,128 --> 00:18:50,128 to have happened somewhere else. 335 00:18:50,130 --> 00:18:52,840 So you start looking at other places. 336 00:18:52,841 --> 00:18:55,300 And we had the K-9 crew come in. 337 00:18:55,301 --> 00:18:59,221 Cadaver dogs are trained to alert on either 338 00:18:59,222 --> 00:19:02,522 decaying human skin cells or blood. 339 00:19:05,186 --> 00:19:08,516 They hit on two locations. 340 00:19:08,523 --> 00:19:11,900 One was the lint trap of the dryer, 341 00:19:11,901 --> 00:19:15,487 indicating that human skin cells, blood, 342 00:19:15,488 --> 00:19:19,488 may have cycled through that part of the dryer. 343 00:19:19,492 --> 00:19:24,204 The dog also alerted on the rear stairwell drain. 344 00:19:24,205 --> 00:19:30,294 Okay, did they clean something off downstairs in the drain? 345 00:19:30,295 --> 00:19:33,795 But we can't find concrete evidence. 346 00:19:33,798 --> 00:19:38,008 What happens is once that blood goes down into the drain 347 00:19:38,011 --> 00:19:39,928 and it mixes with water, 348 00:19:39,929 --> 00:19:41,849 it makes it unlikely that you'll be able 349 00:19:41,850 --> 00:19:47,808 to pull enough of a DNA sample to develop a DNA profile. 350 00:19:47,812 --> 00:19:52,608 We couldn't quite get there, but the dog did alert. 351 00:19:52,609 --> 00:19:55,444 The dog gives a positive scent in a drain... 352 00:19:55,445 --> 00:19:57,445 Don't get me started on that. 353 00:19:57,447 --> 00:20:00,737 {\an8}One theory is, Robert gets stabbed 354 00:20:00,742 --> 00:20:04,620 {\an8}and they waited to stage and clean up the crime scene. 355 00:20:04,621 --> 00:20:07,831 There's no Clorox, there's no Mr. Clean. 356 00:20:07,832 --> 00:20:12,544 There is zero evidence after a complete investigation 357 00:20:12,545 --> 00:20:15,875 that cleaning agents were used in that home. 358 00:20:15,882 --> 00:20:18,634 The bottom line is there's no blood. 359 00:20:18,635 --> 00:20:21,595 If there was evidence, they would have found it. 360 00:20:28,687 --> 00:20:31,227 The police needed to see if they could find blood 361 00:20:31,231 --> 00:20:34,817 {\an8}elsewhere in the house, and they searched extensively. 362 00:20:34,818 --> 00:20:39,988 {\an8}And at one point they used a reagent called Ashley's reagent. 363 00:20:41,700 --> 00:20:44,740 It's a chemical used to search for latent blood, 364 00:20:44,744 --> 00:20:46,912 blood that had been cleaned up. 365 00:20:46,913 --> 00:20:48,751 So we're going to bring in all these chemicals 366 00:20:48,752 --> 00:20:51,878 and we're going to spray the place down and figure out 367 00:20:51,879 --> 00:20:57,046 where the blood is that was hidden or cleaned up. 368 00:20:57,048 --> 00:20:58,718 At first blush, we thought 369 00:20:58,719 --> 00:21:02,797 that they got positive results all over the place. 370 00:21:04,848 --> 00:21:08,434 And what Glenn calls the big ticket mistake 371 00:21:08,435 --> 00:21:11,395 is that they applied it in a way 372 00:21:11,396 --> 00:21:14,226 that was not on the directions, 373 00:21:14,232 --> 00:21:16,650 and it was botched. 374 00:21:16,651 --> 00:21:20,738 I spoke to the guy who invented Ashley's reagent. 375 00:21:20,739 --> 00:21:23,489 You do not apply it to vertical surfaces 376 00:21:23,491 --> 00:21:27,911 because it will drip and it'll obliterate blood stains. 377 00:21:27,912 --> 00:21:31,622 But they sprayed it on the walls and you cannot get it off. 378 00:21:31,624 --> 00:21:34,134 It's like the dye that blows up on your hands 379 00:21:34,135 --> 00:21:36,295 when you rob a bank. 380 00:21:36,296 --> 00:21:39,214 The great Ashley's reagent debacle, 381 00:21:39,215 --> 00:21:41,505 yeah, we definitely took a hit. 382 00:21:41,509 --> 00:21:43,639 There were mistakes made by the detectives, 383 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,926 by the evidence technicians, by myself. 384 00:21:48,058 --> 00:21:50,848 Unfortunately, if it was applied correctly, 385 00:21:50,852 --> 00:21:54,938 they may have found blood elsewhere in the house. 386 00:21:54,939 --> 00:21:57,024 They blew it. 387 00:21:57,025 --> 00:22:00,444 Glenn's theory was they moved the body and put it in the bed. 388 00:22:00,445 --> 00:22:02,855 The government took 280 samples... 389 00:22:02,864 --> 00:22:05,449 The wall, the stairs, the carpet. 390 00:22:05,450 --> 00:22:07,200 They had the house for three weeks, 391 00:22:07,202 --> 00:22:12,122 did in excess of a quarter of a million dollars in damage. 392 00:22:12,123 --> 00:22:14,173 Not a single bloodstain. 393 00:22:21,549 --> 00:22:24,339 We're a couple weeks into it now at this point. 394 00:22:24,344 --> 00:22:28,889 This case is more of what we don't know than what we do now. 395 00:22:28,890 --> 00:22:31,350 After the sexual assault angle 396 00:22:31,351 --> 00:22:33,851 failed to identify any perpetrator, 397 00:22:33,853 --> 00:22:38,232 and after the search for the missing blood was a bust, 398 00:22:38,233 --> 00:22:41,527 the information about the knife took us down 399 00:22:41,528 --> 00:22:44,608 a new investigative path. 400 00:22:44,614 --> 00:22:47,574 The knife had been sent to a lab for analysis. 401 00:22:47,575 --> 00:22:49,485 Once the forensic results are in, 402 00:22:49,494 --> 00:22:54,039 we learn a few really interesting things. 403 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,710 Joe's already told the police that he touched it. 404 00:23:04,509 --> 00:23:06,218 But once they examine that knife, 405 00:23:06,219 --> 00:23:08,429 they don't find a trace of DNA 406 00:23:08,430 --> 00:23:12,680 or fingerprints that can point to anybody inside the house. 407 00:23:12,684 --> 00:23:15,894 And then Glenn was told by the forensic examiners 408 00:23:15,895 --> 00:23:19,395 that those wounds don't match 409 00:23:19,399 --> 00:23:21,734 the size of the knife. 410 00:23:21,735 --> 00:23:24,315 The blade was about five, 411 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,610 or five and a half inches in length. 412 00:23:26,614 --> 00:23:28,699 And yet the depth of the wounds 413 00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:32,910 {\an8}were about four and a half inches, give or take. 414 00:23:32,912 --> 00:23:36,582 So how do you stab a victim three times? 415 00:23:36,583 --> 00:23:39,293 But make sure you don't insert that last inch 416 00:23:39,294 --> 00:23:43,922 up to the hilt of the knife into the victim's body? 417 00:23:43,923 --> 00:23:47,259 The other suspicious thing is there was white fibers 418 00:23:47,260 --> 00:23:49,595 that were on the knife 419 00:23:49,596 --> 00:23:52,014 and were consistent with the towel 420 00:23:52,015 --> 00:23:56,975 that Joe claimed to have used to stop the bleeding. 421 00:24:01,483 --> 00:24:05,444 I believe that towel, with almost minute quantities 422 00:24:05,445 --> 00:24:08,275 of blood on it, was not applied 423 00:24:08,281 --> 00:24:11,911 the way they had been instructed by the 911 operator. 424 00:24:16,539 --> 00:24:19,875 There were looped pattern impressions 425 00:24:19,876 --> 00:24:25,796 consistent with the towel found in the blood on the knife blade. 426 00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:28,299 How does the fibers from the towel 427 00:24:28,301 --> 00:24:30,678 get on the murder weapon 428 00:24:30,679 --> 00:24:33,889 that's sitting on the end table? 429 00:24:33,890 --> 00:24:36,890 There was no blood on the cutting surface of the knife. 430 00:24:36,893 --> 00:24:41,647 It appeared that somebody had taken a cotton towel, 431 00:24:41,648 --> 00:24:47,108 dipped it in blood, and then applied the blood to the knife. 432 00:24:47,112 --> 00:24:52,616 There were also three cuts to Robert's gray T-shirt 433 00:24:52,617 --> 00:24:54,076 that loosely corresponded 434 00:24:54,077 --> 00:24:56,827 to where the three stab wounds were on his torso. 435 00:24:56,830 --> 00:25:01,709 There was an absence of gray fibers 436 00:25:01,710 --> 00:25:04,336 from the T-shirt on the knife. 437 00:25:04,337 --> 00:25:07,297 In my opinion, the only reasonable conclusion: 438 00:25:07,298 --> 00:25:10,338 that was not the knife used to kill Robert. 439 00:25:10,343 --> 00:25:12,893 That was the plant knife. 440 00:25:16,891 --> 00:25:21,151 We discovered there was also a knife set in Dylan's room. 441 00:25:23,231 --> 00:25:25,858 There is a three-piece cutlery set, 442 00:25:25,859 --> 00:25:28,609 not in the kitchen, but in Dylan's bedroom. 443 00:25:28,611 --> 00:25:32,364 It's where I keep all my good cutlery, is in my bedroom. 444 00:25:32,365 --> 00:25:36,615 Carving knife, carving fork, smaller knife. 445 00:25:36,619 --> 00:25:39,749 And the smaller knife is missing. 446 00:25:41,124 --> 00:25:43,044 And it's a knife that had a shorter blade, 447 00:25:43,045 --> 00:25:47,046 more consistent with the depth of those wounds 448 00:25:47,047 --> 00:25:49,506 than the knife we found on the nightstand. 449 00:25:49,507 --> 00:25:52,387 Come on, now. You don't need to be Sherlock Holmes. 450 00:25:52,388 --> 00:25:55,595 Put all that together. 451 00:25:55,597 --> 00:25:58,177 A knife set with one missing knife. 452 00:25:58,183 --> 00:26:03,771 Was that the knife that was used to stab Robert? 453 00:26:03,772 --> 00:26:07,282 The detectives never did find the missing knife. 454 00:26:09,611 --> 00:26:11,611 So if it was a plant knife, 455 00:26:11,613 --> 00:26:14,823 did somebody inside that house that night go down to the block 456 00:26:14,824 --> 00:26:17,084 in the kitchen, grab it, come back up, 457 00:26:17,085 --> 00:26:19,827 put it inside a towel filled with blood 458 00:26:19,829 --> 00:26:22,667 and wipe the knife and then lay it where it was? 459 00:26:22,668 --> 00:26:26,245 Did somebody else take the real knife, go out of the house, 460 00:26:26,252 --> 00:26:30,339 dispose of the knife somewhere that they couldn't find it? 461 00:26:30,340 --> 00:26:32,758 Well, what happened? 462 00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:34,839 That's an open question. 463 00:26:42,936 --> 00:26:44,556 A few months after the murder, 464 00:26:44,562 --> 00:26:48,022 Joe, Victor and Dylan aren't living at Swann Street anymore. 465 00:26:48,024 --> 00:26:49,280 We get a report that 466 00:26:49,281 --> 00:26:51,355 Swann Street has been burglarized. 467 00:26:51,361 --> 00:26:54,991 That ends up getting reported not by Joe, Victor and Dylan, 468 00:26:54,992 --> 00:27:00,285 {\an8}but by Dylan's lawyer... Curious... 469 00:27:00,286 --> 00:27:03,246 It turns out Joe's brother Michael Price, 470 00:27:03,248 --> 00:27:08,038 comes in and apparently takes the flat screen TVs, pawns them. 471 00:27:08,044 --> 00:27:10,554 {\an8}You know, of course, we're looking at each other 472 00:27:10,555 --> 00:27:12,917 {\an8}like this is absolutely absurd. 473 00:27:12,924 --> 00:27:16,218 The charges get dropped, but we come to learn 474 00:27:16,219 --> 00:27:21,929 that Michael Price had a key to the house on Swann Street. 475 00:27:21,933 --> 00:27:24,893 When Joe Price was interrogated by the detectives, 476 00:27:24,894 --> 00:27:27,444 they asked him, who else has a key? 477 00:27:37,657 --> 00:27:42,197 I believe he withheld from them that Michael had a key. 478 00:27:42,203 --> 00:27:45,713 Why are you hiding that from the detectives in the immediate 479 00:27:45,714 --> 00:27:49,917 aftermath of your friend being murdered in your home? 480 00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:55,129 Then we find that Michael Price is attending college at night, 481 00:27:55,133 --> 00:27:58,052 studying to be a phlebotomist, somebody who draws blood. 482 00:27:58,053 --> 00:28:01,055 He has access to Holy Cross Hospital, 483 00:28:01,056 --> 00:28:04,056 where I believe he can easily get his hands 484 00:28:04,059 --> 00:28:06,099 on... what? paralytics, 485 00:28:06,102 --> 00:28:07,442 including succinylcholine, 486 00:28:07,443 --> 00:28:09,855 the most common paralytic anesthetic, 487 00:28:09,856 --> 00:28:12,026 which you can pick up off any crash cart 488 00:28:12,027 --> 00:28:14,355 in any hospital in the country. 489 00:28:14,361 --> 00:28:17,738 He was a phlebotomist. It's a person who draws blood. 490 00:28:17,739 --> 00:28:20,529 He doesn't inject paralytic drugs. 491 00:28:20,533 --> 00:28:21,871 Yes, he did have a key. 492 00:28:21,872 --> 00:28:24,078 But was there anything connecting him 493 00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:25,749 to the night of the murder? 494 00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:28,374 They had no evidence like that. 495 00:28:28,375 --> 00:28:30,125 On August 2, 2006, 496 00:28:30,126 --> 00:28:32,876 Michael, even though he had perfect attendance, 497 00:28:32,879 --> 00:28:36,298 {\an8}didn't show up for class. 498 00:28:36,299 --> 00:28:41,136 He attends every single class until the night of the murder. 499 00:28:41,137 --> 00:28:44,556 That's the first class he misses. 500 00:28:44,557 --> 00:28:48,894 So, where is Michael the night of the murder? 501 00:28:48,895 --> 00:28:51,814 Turns out Brian Wade tracked his phone 502 00:28:51,815 --> 00:28:56,435 and determined that phone was nowhere near 1509 Swann Street. 503 00:28:56,444 --> 00:28:58,414 People turn off their phones and commit crimes 504 00:28:58,415 --> 00:29:03,075 where they leave them behind because they want an alibi. 505 00:29:03,076 --> 00:29:04,986 It's just speculation. 506 00:29:04,994 --> 00:29:07,164 But then you go, well, what's the motive? 507 00:29:07,165 --> 00:29:11,291 Michael had an alibi that they could not refute. 508 00:29:11,292 --> 00:29:14,837 {\an8}Michael Price's partner told investigators 509 00:29:14,838 --> 00:29:16,298 {\an8}that Michael was with him 510 00:29:16,299 --> 00:29:19,675 {\an8}on the night of Robert Wone's death. 511 00:29:19,676 --> 00:29:22,216 Again, they had no evidence, 512 00:29:22,220 --> 00:29:24,847 Glenn was running out of theories. 513 00:29:24,848 --> 00:29:28,017 What's the next magical act? I mean, who did it now? 514 00:29:28,018 --> 00:29:31,348 Pretty soon they're just going to blame me. 515 00:29:31,354 --> 00:29:34,690 To say that Joe's brother burglarized the house. 516 00:29:34,691 --> 00:29:37,361 Therefore, he must have had something to do with it. 517 00:29:37,362 --> 00:29:38,610 Are you kidding? 518 00:29:40,363 --> 00:29:43,203 I have no idea if Michael Price would have had motive 519 00:29:43,204 --> 00:29:45,034 to kill Robert or not, 520 00:29:45,035 --> 00:29:48,865 but you can't ignore this angle. 521 00:29:48,872 --> 00:29:50,502 We needed to investigate that angle 522 00:29:50,503 --> 00:29:52,958 like we needed to investigate every other angle. 523 00:29:52,959 --> 00:29:54,629 That's the way you assemble a puzzle. 524 00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:56,667 Not by looking at each piece of the puzzle 525 00:29:56,671 --> 00:29:58,091 and then throwing it away. 526 00:29:58,092 --> 00:30:01,129 And we developed it as best we could. 527 00:30:01,134 --> 00:30:03,554 Because let's face it, an intruder doesn't come in 528 00:30:03,555 --> 00:30:07,723 and sexually assault somebody and stab them three times, 529 00:30:07,724 --> 00:30:12,186 all unbeknown to the three guys who live there. 530 00:30:12,187 --> 00:30:15,606 The three guys would have absolutely no incentive 531 00:30:15,607 --> 00:30:17,227 to cover up that crime. 532 00:30:17,233 --> 00:30:20,277 But if it was Dylan or Victor or Joe or Michael, 533 00:30:20,278 --> 00:30:23,108 they're all family, so regardless of which one of 534 00:30:23,114 --> 00:30:25,244 those four might have been involved, 535 00:30:25,245 --> 00:30:28,869 it provides a motive to cover it up. 536 00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:31,205 The more theories Glenn put up, 537 00:30:31,206 --> 00:30:33,874 the more they dilute one another. 538 00:30:33,875 --> 00:30:36,245 He was restrained, 539 00:30:36,252 --> 00:30:39,421 there's a plant knife, 540 00:30:39,422 --> 00:30:42,257 they stage and clean up the crime scene. 541 00:30:42,258 --> 00:30:44,385 Joe's brother did it. 542 00:30:44,386 --> 00:30:46,046 They had nothing on him... 543 00:30:46,054 --> 00:30:48,222 Not anyone's semen on Robert, 544 00:30:48,223 --> 00:30:51,600 not any joy toys found in Robert's room. 545 00:30:51,601 --> 00:30:53,268 There's no blood, 546 00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:56,939 no evidence of struggle, nothing. 547 00:31:04,322 --> 00:31:05,952 Robert Wone is murdered, 548 00:31:05,953 --> 00:31:10,199 and the basic crime story hits the papers, 549 00:31:10,203 --> 00:31:13,497 {\an8}hits the TV stations, then quiet. 550 00:31:13,498 --> 00:31:17,998 No arrests, no advances to the story, no information. 551 00:31:19,963 --> 00:31:22,965 It got to the point where Kathy Wone 552 00:31:22,966 --> 00:31:24,296 was putting pressure on the police. 553 00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:27,845 She wanted to know what was happening. 554 00:31:27,846 --> 00:31:29,466 Up until that point, Kathy, 555 00:31:29,472 --> 00:31:31,932 it almost seemed like she was coming in and out of shock. 556 00:31:31,933 --> 00:31:37,438 {\an8}This whole story of an intruder. Never made any sense. 557 00:31:37,439 --> 00:31:42,939 Kathy goes to her husband's former law partners 558 00:31:42,944 --> 00:31:44,403 at Covington & Burling. 559 00:31:44,404 --> 00:31:49,158 Eric Holder, who had been the U.S. attorney in D.C., 560 00:31:49,159 --> 00:31:51,076 which is the top prosecutor, 561 00:31:51,077 --> 00:31:55,664 is now head of Covington & Burling. 562 00:31:55,665 --> 00:31:58,705 And then they held a news conference. 563 00:31:58,710 --> 00:32:04,630 {\an8}For those in 1509 Swann Street when Robert was killed, 564 00:32:04,632 --> 00:32:07,885 {\an8}you need to truly ask yourselves... 565 00:32:07,886 --> 00:32:10,095 Truly, truly, ask yourselves... 566 00:32:10,096 --> 00:32:13,596 Have I provided the police with all of the information 567 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,436 that might be relevant to the investigation of this crime? 568 00:32:17,437 --> 00:32:20,356 That doesn't happen every day in Washington, D.C... 569 00:32:20,357 --> 00:32:22,187 To have a man of the stature of Eric Holder, 570 00:32:22,192 --> 00:32:26,236 who's about to become attorney general of the United States, 571 00:32:26,237 --> 00:32:29,114 to plead for some information. 572 00:32:29,115 --> 00:32:33,075 Kathy then speaks a heartfelt entreaty. 573 00:32:33,078 --> 00:32:34,998 {\an8}I have a few words for the individual 574 00:32:34,999 --> 00:32:37,706 {\an8}who took Robert's life. 575 00:32:37,707 --> 00:32:40,037 Having a murder on your conscience 576 00:32:40,043 --> 00:32:42,378 is no small load to carry 577 00:32:42,379 --> 00:32:44,879 as you try to live, I imagine, 578 00:32:44,881 --> 00:32:47,675 as normal a life as possible. 579 00:32:47,676 --> 00:32:50,926 After the murder it seemed like Kathy believed 580 00:32:50,929 --> 00:32:53,514 or wanted to believe their story. 581 00:32:53,515 --> 00:32:57,265 But by the time the press conference rolled round, 582 00:32:57,268 --> 00:33:01,105 it was clear that Kathy was no longer giving them 583 00:33:01,106 --> 00:33:03,226 the benefit of the doubt. 584 00:33:03,233 --> 00:33:04,692 It appeared Kathy thought 585 00:33:04,693 --> 00:33:06,781 that these guys are hiding something. 586 00:33:06,782 --> 00:33:08,657 That was a pivotal point in the story for us, 587 00:33:08,658 --> 00:33:11,695 because no one had heard from Kathy up until that point. 588 00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:17,746 Kathy is a very guarded, reserved, circumspect person. 589 00:33:17,747 --> 00:33:19,867 Over the course of the investigation, 590 00:33:19,874 --> 00:33:23,919 it even seemed like she was going more and more 591 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,295 inside herself. 592 00:33:25,296 --> 00:33:28,465 Kathy is a very private person, 593 00:33:28,466 --> 00:33:31,426 and Kathy Wone says, "Please help us, 594 00:33:31,428 --> 00:33:32,968 give me some closure." 595 00:33:32,971 --> 00:33:37,474 It was so devastating to Kathy to have three... 596 00:33:37,475 --> 00:33:39,725 What you believed were close friends... 597 00:33:39,728 --> 00:33:44,268 Apparently unwilling to even explain what happened. 598 00:33:44,274 --> 00:33:46,324 If somebody is completely innocent 599 00:33:46,325 --> 00:33:48,444 of a horrible crime like this, 600 00:33:48,445 --> 00:33:51,815 wouldn't they be shouting that from the rooftops? 601 00:33:51,823 --> 00:33:53,703 Why haven't they spoken out? 602 00:33:59,164 --> 00:34:04,501 At the same time, Joe, Victor and Dylan pulled up stakes, 603 00:34:04,502 --> 00:34:08,297 sold the house on Swann Street, moved to Florida, 604 00:34:08,298 --> 00:34:10,298 and just went underground. 605 00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:12,300 Nobody heard from them. 606 00:34:12,302 --> 00:34:14,887 They stayed together. 607 00:34:14,888 --> 00:34:17,018 They have no interest in being public 608 00:34:17,019 --> 00:34:19,224 in any way, shape or form. 609 00:34:19,225 --> 00:34:21,435 Nothing is happening! Nothing! 610 00:34:21,436 --> 00:34:25,476 I mean, there is not a drip of information coming out! 611 00:34:25,482 --> 00:34:28,152 Why is no one being held accountable? 612 00:34:35,241 --> 00:34:37,910 We didn't have solid, concrete evidence 613 00:34:37,911 --> 00:34:39,911 that you make an arrest on. 614 00:34:39,913 --> 00:34:43,332 We only had some circumstantial evidence. 615 00:34:43,333 --> 00:34:46,173 A good example of circumstantial evidence is, 616 00:34:46,174 --> 00:34:48,959 I went to bed, and I woke up, 617 00:34:48,963 --> 00:34:52,091 and there's snow on the ground. 618 00:34:52,092 --> 00:34:55,386 Did you see it snow? 619 00:34:55,387 --> 00:35:00,267 No, but you 100% know that it did snow. 620 00:35:04,354 --> 00:35:06,192 Just because we haven't found the evidence 621 00:35:06,193 --> 00:35:08,189 doesn't mean it doesn't exist. 622 00:35:13,947 --> 00:35:16,197 We didn't have direct evidence. 623 00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:20,199 In my opinion, the only three people who are in a position 624 00:35:20,203 --> 00:35:22,162 to provide us direct evidence 625 00:35:22,163 --> 00:35:25,213 refuse to and instead chose to cover up the crime. 626 00:35:25,214 --> 00:35:28,628 The absence of evidence is a product of the cover up. 627 00:35:38,263 --> 00:35:40,313 We're now two years down the road 628 00:35:40,314 --> 00:35:42,596 and we needed to move forward. 629 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,560 The perceived weakness that we can't say who killed Robert, 630 00:35:45,562 --> 00:35:49,064 we tried to embrace as a strength. 631 00:35:49,065 --> 00:35:50,815 I never brought a murder charge 632 00:35:50,817 --> 00:35:53,857 because I could never prove who killed Robert. 633 00:35:53,862 --> 00:35:57,489 I believed what I could prove was that Joe Price, 634 00:35:57,490 --> 00:36:01,160 Victor Zaborsky, and Dylan Ward covered it up. 635 00:36:01,161 --> 00:36:05,831 They were part of a conspiracy to obstruct justice. 636 00:36:05,832 --> 00:36:09,001 To seek an arrest warrant for charges like obstruction 637 00:36:09,002 --> 00:36:13,630 when you don't know who killed Robert is not just unusual, 638 00:36:13,631 --> 00:36:17,091 it was unprecedented. 639 00:36:17,093 --> 00:36:19,345 Was it desperation? No. 640 00:36:19,346 --> 00:36:21,766 The judge agreed that we had probable cause 641 00:36:21,767 --> 00:36:26,015 and authorized us to make an arrest. 642 00:36:26,019 --> 00:36:29,309 When you have three possible coconspirators 643 00:36:29,314 --> 00:36:31,614 involved in a crime, who's the weak link? 644 00:36:31,615 --> 00:36:34,648 Who do we try to break? Who do we try to flip? 645 00:36:34,652 --> 00:36:37,612 And so it was decided we would go first 646 00:36:37,614 --> 00:36:39,782 with an arrest warrant for Dylan. 647 00:36:39,783 --> 00:36:42,159 A new twist tonight in one of D.C.'s 648 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,620 most high profile unsolved murder. 649 00:36:44,621 --> 00:36:46,751 Dylan Ward charged with covering up 650 00:36:46,752 --> 00:36:49,078 the murder of Robert Wone. 651 00:36:49,084 --> 00:36:52,961 And they arrested Dylan, bang! 652 00:36:52,962 --> 00:36:55,672 The story just took off from there. 653 00:37:05,183 --> 00:37:08,477 When Dylan gets grabbed in Florida, they put him in a cell, 654 00:37:08,478 --> 00:37:09,978 {\an8}"Dylan, this is your only chance. 655 00:37:09,979 --> 00:37:11,689 {\an8}You're going to jail for the rest of your life. 656 00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:14,530 {\an8}We know you didn't do it. Tell us what happened." 657 00:37:16,903 --> 00:37:21,323 The strategy was to isolate Dylan away from the other two, 658 00:37:21,324 --> 00:37:22,744 {\an8}get him into an interrogation room 659 00:37:22,745 --> 00:37:26,412 {\an8}and get him to tell the real story. 660 00:37:26,413 --> 00:37:28,914 And he said, "What I said that night 661 00:37:28,915 --> 00:37:30,495 is what happened." 662 00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:33,669 Dylan didn't break. 663 00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:37,339 As soon as they get Dylan back here to Superior Court, 664 00:37:37,340 --> 00:37:39,840 the other two men are indicted. 665 00:37:41,886 --> 00:37:44,506 Then we had that conversation with Victor. 666 00:37:44,514 --> 00:37:46,854 Do you want to make a different choice 667 00:37:46,855 --> 00:37:50,477 {\an8}than the one you've made thus far to hold firm 668 00:37:50,478 --> 00:37:52,018 {\an8}as part of this conspiracy? 669 00:37:52,022 --> 00:37:55,024 Or might you want to choose another path? 670 00:37:55,025 --> 00:37:56,645 Victor never wavered. 671 00:37:56,651 --> 00:37:58,901 So they were all three charged. 672 00:37:58,903 --> 00:38:01,530 The three Swann Street housemates 673 00:38:01,531 --> 00:38:03,321 charged with covering up 674 00:38:03,324 --> 00:38:06,084 the stabbing death of Robert Wone. 675 00:38:07,245 --> 00:38:11,615 The men were charged with obstruction of justice, 676 00:38:11,624 --> 00:38:13,709 conspiracy to obstruct justice, 677 00:38:13,710 --> 00:38:16,545 and tampering with physical evidence. 678 00:38:16,546 --> 00:38:18,546 It was a bombshell. 679 00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:29,390 Robert is killed August 2, 2006. 680 00:38:29,392 --> 00:38:32,144 It's not until October 27, 2008, 681 00:38:32,145 --> 00:38:34,895 the affidavit comes out, 682 00:38:34,898 --> 00:38:37,608 and it just changes everything. 683 00:38:39,527 --> 00:38:43,906 We punched the affidavit up on the laptop 684 00:38:43,907 --> 00:38:46,527 and start poring through it. 685 00:38:46,534 --> 00:38:48,164 It was written like a horror story. 686 00:38:48,165 --> 00:38:51,500 {\an8}"Police recovered implements of sexual bondage and torture 687 00:38:51,501 --> 00:38:52,958 {\an8}from Dylan Ward's room." 688 00:38:52,959 --> 00:38:55,837 There were books, quote, relating to inflicting pain 689 00:38:55,838 --> 00:38:59,915 on others for purposes of sexual gratification. 690 00:38:59,923 --> 00:39:02,257 That's not everyday reading. 691 00:39:02,258 --> 00:39:05,008 Is that the best Glenn's got? 692 00:39:05,011 --> 00:39:06,849 Three guys in a three-way relationship... 693 00:39:06,850 --> 00:39:09,596 "These guys must have done it, they're freaks." 694 00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:11,599 It was salacious. It was sensational. 695 00:39:11,601 --> 00:39:13,601 It was completely irrelevant. 696 00:39:13,603 --> 00:39:16,105 Nothing to do with killing Robert. 697 00:39:16,106 --> 00:39:20,776 Glenn needed the judgment of the court of public opinion 698 00:39:20,777 --> 00:39:22,236 to get some inertia, 699 00:39:22,237 --> 00:39:25,487 and that's why he generated the affidavit, 700 00:39:25,490 --> 00:39:28,950 just for sheer humiliation. 701 00:39:28,952 --> 00:39:31,872 The fact that the prosecutors and police made that public, 702 00:39:31,873 --> 00:39:36,208 they wanted to stir up the pot and see if that would elicit 703 00:39:36,209 --> 00:39:40,879 any reactions, evidence, confessions. 704 00:39:43,341 --> 00:39:46,135 {\an8}I really did sort of 705 00:39:46,136 --> 00:39:49,056 {\an8}go back and forth between the, should I believe them 706 00:39:49,057 --> 00:39:50,925 {\an8}or should I not, 707 00:39:50,932 --> 00:39:54,435 {\an8}until the affidavit came out. 708 00:39:54,436 --> 00:39:58,856 I remember thinking, 709 00:39:58,857 --> 00:40:01,734 I can't believe what I'm reading here. 710 00:40:01,735 --> 00:40:04,565 The level of depravity is still to this day 711 00:40:04,571 --> 00:40:06,488 stunning to comprehend. 712 00:40:06,489 --> 00:40:11,827 I tried to make sure I kept Kathy apprised of developments, 713 00:40:11,828 --> 00:40:16,957 knowing how hurtful this might be to her. 714 00:40:16,958 --> 00:40:22,838 I recall Kathy just sitting in stunned silence. 715 00:40:22,839 --> 00:40:26,089 It seemed to hit her like a freight train. 716 00:40:26,092 --> 00:40:29,595 And even though you're not dragging the memory 717 00:40:29,596 --> 00:40:31,846 of her husband through the mud, it just... 718 00:40:31,848 --> 00:40:34,848 It feels like this violation. 719 00:40:34,851 --> 00:40:37,269 In my conversations with Kathy Wone, 720 00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:39,688 at this point, the ambiguity is gone. 721 00:40:39,689 --> 00:40:41,229 When the affidavit dropped, 722 00:40:41,232 --> 00:40:44,818 I think that she saw it as a horrible betrayal of trust. 723 00:40:44,819 --> 00:40:47,905 Kathy Wone realizes that Joe Price knows more 724 00:40:47,906 --> 00:40:49,696 and may have been materially involved 725 00:40:49,699 --> 00:40:53,039 and may have actually killed Robert Wone. 726 00:40:54,788 --> 00:40:57,998 {\an8}I saw red. My blood pressure went up 727 00:40:57,999 --> 00:41:00,499 {\an8}and I couldn't hear anything except the heartbeat in my ears. 728 00:41:00,502 --> 00:41:04,505 Such anger at the deceit and not having 729 00:41:04,506 --> 00:41:05,876 aired this earlier. 730 00:41:05,882 --> 00:41:07,720 If there was this much information, 731 00:41:07,721 --> 00:41:09,467 how come this wasn't solved? 732 00:41:09,469 --> 00:41:12,509 Up until November 2008, 733 00:41:12,514 --> 00:41:14,723 the intruder theory was plausible. 734 00:41:14,724 --> 00:41:15,894 Somebody broke into a house. 735 00:41:15,895 --> 00:41:18,352 It was a random, senseless murder. 736 00:41:18,353 --> 00:41:20,193 It was believable. 737 00:41:22,524 --> 00:41:23,904 The affidavit drops, 738 00:41:23,905 --> 00:41:27,110 and that was a real change in direction 739 00:41:27,112 --> 00:41:29,571 for how the gay community approached the case. 740 00:41:29,572 --> 00:41:34,660 People were conflicted and trying to reconcile a leader 741 00:41:34,661 --> 00:41:39,581 who they respected with this heinous crime. 742 00:41:39,582 --> 00:41:41,082 This happened in our neighborhood. 743 00:41:41,084 --> 00:41:44,169 And so we thought we needed to jump on this. 744 00:41:44,170 --> 00:41:45,549 Through the blog itself, 745 00:41:45,550 --> 00:41:47,967 we might be able to shake enough trees 746 00:41:47,968 --> 00:41:51,006 that some more information might drop. 747 00:41:51,011 --> 00:41:55,097 {\an8}We're the Scooby Gang and we're meddling wherever we can go. 748 00:41:55,098 --> 00:41:57,268 It's frustrating. It's frustrating for us. 749 00:41:57,269 --> 00:42:00,477 {\an8}I know it's more frustrating for Robert Wone's family. 750 00:42:00,478 --> 00:42:04,064 We were pretty much a gay family of choice, 751 00:42:04,065 --> 00:42:08,185 looking at a family that was falling apart 752 00:42:08,194 --> 00:42:09,820 three blocks away. 753 00:42:09,821 --> 00:42:13,031 We had a good friend who ran in their circle. 754 00:42:13,033 --> 00:42:16,243 We learned it was not a three-way relationship, 755 00:42:16,244 --> 00:42:18,203 it was two two-way relationships, 756 00:42:18,204 --> 00:42:21,582 two separate relationships within the same family. 757 00:42:21,583 --> 00:42:25,586 Those dynamics set up 758 00:42:25,587 --> 00:42:28,464 what probably exploded that night 759 00:42:28,465 --> 00:42:30,965 in some way or some fashion. 760 00:42:30,967 --> 00:42:34,967 This is where all theory and speculation comes in, 761 00:42:34,971 --> 00:42:37,141 because you have to get from a house 762 00:42:37,142 --> 00:42:39,975 that is a simmering cauldron of emotions 763 00:42:39,976 --> 00:42:42,144 between three people, 764 00:42:42,145 --> 00:42:44,645 to your friend is murdered 765 00:42:44,647 --> 00:42:46,187 in your second floor bedroom. 766 00:42:46,191 --> 00:42:48,734 Within a matter of an hour or so. 767 00:42:48,735 --> 00:42:52,404 79 minutes to a methodical murder. 768 00:42:52,405 --> 00:42:54,615 That is the leap that... 769 00:42:54,616 --> 00:42:57,366 again, makes this case 770 00:42:57,369 --> 00:43:00,039 really confounding. 771 00:43:03,541 --> 00:43:06,091 The prosecutors have long believed that the three men 772 00:43:06,092 --> 00:43:11,086 inside that house have known and know who killed Robert Wone, 773 00:43:11,091 --> 00:43:13,681 but for whatever reason, they are conspiring together 774 00:43:13,682 --> 00:43:16,177 to keep that from the government. 775 00:43:16,179 --> 00:43:18,849 Joe, Victor and Dylan hired what we called 776 00:43:18,850 --> 00:43:20,428 the million dollar defense. 777 00:43:20,433 --> 00:43:23,018 This is a high priced defense team. 778 00:43:23,019 --> 00:43:24,728 These guys are all very well known. 779 00:43:24,729 --> 00:43:26,608 Some of them are former prosecutors. 780 00:43:26,609 --> 00:43:28,226 And we all know Bernie Grimm. 781 00:43:28,233 --> 00:43:31,321 He is one of the top notch defense attorneys in this town. 782 00:43:31,322 --> 00:43:34,238 In a codefendant case where there's multiple people charged, 783 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,239 one lawyer can only represent one person. 784 00:43:37,242 --> 00:43:41,870 But we agreed beforehand we would have a joint defense. 785 00:43:41,871 --> 00:43:45,457 We all knew one another quite well. 786 00:43:45,458 --> 00:43:46,878 Bernie Grimm, a longtime 787 00:43:46,879 --> 00:43:49,126 criminal defense attorney in D.C.; 788 00:43:49,129 --> 00:43:52,297 Dave Schertler, who represented Dylan Ward; 789 00:43:52,298 --> 00:43:55,178 Tommy Connolly, who represented Victor Zaborsky. 790 00:43:55,179 --> 00:44:00,096 Glenn was up against three of the absolute best 791 00:44:00,098 --> 00:44:04,018 defense attorneys D.C. could produce. 792 00:44:04,019 --> 00:44:05,939 Bernard Grimm, representing Mr. Price, 793 00:44:05,940 --> 00:44:09,064 has probably one more not-guilties in homicides 794 00:44:09,065 --> 00:44:12,065 in D.C. than anyone else practicing today. 795 00:44:16,114 --> 00:44:18,034 Now, first of all, the BDSM stuff, 796 00:44:18,035 --> 00:44:21,577 it only had relevance because Glenn realized 797 00:44:21,578 --> 00:44:24,997 he had problems with the case. 798 00:44:24,998 --> 00:44:28,498 Glenn files a discovery in a public court jacket 799 00:44:28,501 --> 00:44:32,504 so everybody can see the dildos, the joy toys. 800 00:44:32,505 --> 00:44:35,375 He wants to introduce all that stuff. 801 00:44:35,383 --> 00:44:39,094 I need to go after that and try to tear it apart if I can. 802 00:44:39,095 --> 00:44:43,175 We filed motions to have the sexual devices, 803 00:44:43,183 --> 00:44:46,810 any mention of sexual misconduct, 804 00:44:46,811 --> 00:44:48,771 suppressed as evidence. 805 00:44:48,772 --> 00:44:51,901 The defense argued that there was insufficient evidence 806 00:44:51,902 --> 00:44:53,900 to show that some of the findings 807 00:44:53,902 --> 00:44:55,452 had anything to do with the murder. 808 00:44:55,453 --> 00:45:00,075 The prosecution objected to the motion, but they lost. 809 00:45:01,701 --> 00:45:06,580 We tried to admit it and the judge overruled us. 810 00:45:06,581 --> 00:45:09,458 It clearly was a blow to the prosecution. 811 00:45:09,459 --> 00:45:11,089 It was very dramatic. 812 00:45:11,090 --> 00:45:13,956 The semen and all the S&M devices, 813 00:45:13,963 --> 00:45:16,840 all of that evidence was tossed out. 814 00:45:16,841 --> 00:45:18,550 When you have a victim 815 00:45:18,551 --> 00:45:22,137 who appears to have been sexually assaulted, 816 00:45:22,138 --> 00:45:25,228 and the judge doesn't seem to make the connection, 817 00:45:25,229 --> 00:45:28,305 that was troubling to me; I was surprised. 818 00:45:28,311 --> 00:45:30,270 Glenn never saw that coming. 819 00:45:30,271 --> 00:45:32,189 The evidence was thrown out. 820 00:45:32,190 --> 00:45:35,900 They entered this trial with a severe handicap. 821 00:45:35,902 --> 00:45:37,990 And that was part of the strategy. 822 00:45:37,991 --> 00:45:40,527 It was absolutely the correct. decision. 823 00:45:40,532 --> 00:45:44,785 Judge Leibovitz reminding everyone that her action today 824 00:45:44,786 --> 00:45:46,406 is not a verdict, 825 00:45:46,413 --> 00:45:47,623 nor does it signal 826 00:45:47,624 --> 00:45:51,382 how she may eventually decide this case. 827 00:46:05,724 --> 00:46:08,559 As we're preparing to start the trial, 828 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,270 {\an8}the defense attorneys filed a really unusual motion, 829 00:46:12,272 --> 00:46:14,572 {\an8}which was to let the judge decide their case. 830 00:46:14,573 --> 00:46:18,816 In essence, that's the judge sitting as the jury in the case. 831 00:46:24,451 --> 00:46:28,078 With a jury, most murder cases end up in convictions... 832 00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:30,998 {\an8}seven out of ten. 833 00:46:30,999 --> 00:46:32,579 {\an8}Because they look in the audience, 834 00:46:32,584 --> 00:46:37,421 {\an8}it's the victim's mother, father, brothers, sisters. 835 00:46:37,422 --> 00:46:40,299 They hold the whole world in their hands. 836 00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:44,386 The defense argument was that the case was publicized 837 00:46:44,387 --> 00:46:48,217 {\an8}so widely in the media that they didn't believe 838 00:46:48,224 --> 00:46:51,894 {\an8}they could get an impartial jury. 839 00:46:51,895 --> 00:46:53,515 You have a right to a jury trial 840 00:46:53,521 --> 00:46:55,898 under the Sixth Amendment; you don't have a right 841 00:46:55,899 --> 00:46:57,229 to a bench trial, to a judge trial. 842 00:46:57,233 --> 00:46:58,821 We have a right to object to that. 843 00:46:58,822 --> 00:47:01,698 We could have forced these three men in front of a jury. 844 00:47:01,699 --> 00:47:05,196 Instead of convincing 12 different people 845 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,660 from all different sections of Washington, D.C., 846 00:47:08,661 --> 00:47:11,830 Glenn needed to convince one single person 847 00:47:11,831 --> 00:47:13,378 beyond a reasonable doubt. 848 00:47:13,379 --> 00:47:15,995 And he certainly was charging hard down the hill 849 00:47:16,002 --> 00:47:19,838 with confidence that they were going to get convictions. 850 00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:23,339 Judge Leibovitz is a former homicide prosecutor. 851 00:47:23,343 --> 00:47:25,433 She was my former chief of homicide 852 00:47:25,434 --> 00:47:28,638 and I was her deputy years earlier. 853 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,017 So, I thought she would understand and appreciate 854 00:47:32,018 --> 00:47:38,228 that the inexplicability of so much of what happened to Robert 855 00:47:38,233 --> 00:47:41,193 is a tribute to the success of the cover up. 856 00:47:41,194 --> 00:47:45,454 We ultimately settled on not opposing their request. 857 00:47:51,705 --> 00:47:53,785 Who killed Robert Wone? It is a mystery 858 00:47:53,790 --> 00:47:56,669 that's captivated the area for nearly four years now. 859 00:47:56,670 --> 00:47:59,248 The men who lived at that house will go on trial tomorrow, 860 00:47:59,254 --> 00:48:01,551 but not for murder, obstruction of justice. 861 00:48:01,552 --> 00:48:03,798 It's fascinating. This is a murder case, 862 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,090 but it's not a murder trial. 863 00:48:05,093 --> 00:48:07,393 This was a highly anticipated trial. 864 00:48:07,394 --> 00:48:11,427 These were prominent people charged with an awful crime. 865 00:48:11,433 --> 00:48:13,730 Now, the prosecution doesn't have to prove 866 00:48:13,731 --> 00:48:16,517 {\an8}a motive in this case: Why was Robert Wone killed? 867 00:48:16,521 --> 00:48:18,190 {\an8}All they have to do is prove 868 00:48:18,191 --> 00:48:20,277 {\an8}that the three men conspired together 869 00:48:20,278 --> 00:48:21,775 {\an8}to cover up the crime. 870 00:48:21,776 --> 00:48:24,526 {\an8}That was the most high profile case I ever covered. 871 00:48:24,529 --> 00:48:26,819 The trial could last up to five weeks. 872 00:48:26,823 --> 00:48:31,753 If convicted, they can each get up to 38 years in prison. 873 00:48:33,872 --> 00:48:36,419 The courtroom was packed from the newspapers 874 00:48:36,420 --> 00:48:39,166 to the radio stations to the television stations. 875 00:48:39,169 --> 00:48:40,749 We were all in there. 876 00:48:40,754 --> 00:48:42,054 There's no cameras. 877 00:48:42,055 --> 00:48:44,506 So we had to have a sketch artist. 878 00:48:44,507 --> 00:48:46,297 What I remember about that first day 879 00:48:46,301 --> 00:48:48,221 is seeing all of these people 880 00:48:48,222 --> 00:48:50,969 we've been talking about for years. 881 00:48:50,972 --> 00:48:56,477 Finally, there's Joe, Victor, Dylan, all these attorneys, 882 00:48:56,478 --> 00:49:00,688 Kathy Wone and a whole group of Robert's friends. 883 00:49:02,525 --> 00:49:05,025 I get butterflies before every trial, 884 00:49:05,028 --> 00:49:08,364 before every opening statement. 885 00:49:08,365 --> 00:49:12,365 I knew I'd have to prove three key things at trial. 886 00:49:12,369 --> 00:49:14,328 First, there was no intruder. 887 00:49:14,329 --> 00:49:17,498 That's provable bullshit. 888 00:49:17,499 --> 00:49:21,209 Second, we have three gaping wounds to his torso 889 00:49:21,211 --> 00:49:24,755 but no blood... No blood on the scene. 890 00:49:24,756 --> 00:49:28,256 And that the knife that they left on the nightstand 891 00:49:28,259 --> 00:49:30,719 was a plant knife. 892 00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:34,020 All of that, I believe, proved beyond a reasonable doubt: 893 00:49:34,021 --> 00:49:37,225 this was a clean up followed by a cover up. 894 00:49:45,318 --> 00:49:47,648 So this is the scale model 895 00:49:47,654 --> 00:49:52,324 constructed for the murder trial of Robert Wone. 896 00:49:52,325 --> 00:49:55,905 These three guys claim that an intruder 897 00:49:55,912 --> 00:49:58,455 scales the security fence, 898 00:49:58,456 --> 00:50:02,746 comes upon an inadvertently left unlocked back door. 899 00:50:02,752 --> 00:50:06,300 He's got to take a knife out of the butcher block in the kitchen 900 00:50:06,301 --> 00:50:08,257 and make his way through the living room. 901 00:50:08,258 --> 00:50:10,426 The intruder then walks up 16 902 00:50:10,427 --> 00:50:13,554 more-than-hundred-year-old wooden stairs 903 00:50:13,555 --> 00:50:15,675 that creak like all get out; 904 00:50:15,682 --> 00:50:17,479 he gets to the top of the second floor, 905 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,055 has no interest in apparently, Dylan's bedroom. 906 00:50:20,061 --> 00:50:22,187 Instead. turns 180 degrees, 907 00:50:22,188 --> 00:50:25,148 walks all the way to the guest room, 908 00:50:25,150 --> 00:50:26,650 opens the door, 909 00:50:26,651 --> 00:50:29,781 walks around all the way to the other side of the bed, 910 00:50:29,782 --> 00:50:35,159 and he inserts a knife into Robert's torso three times, 911 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,495 making three identical stab wounds. 912 00:50:38,496 --> 00:50:43,286 He leaves the knife either lying across Robert's torso 913 00:50:43,293 --> 00:50:45,377 or in Robert's chest... 914 00:50:45,378 --> 00:50:49,588 Because Joe Price told detectives both things. 915 00:50:49,591 --> 00:50:51,891 Comes back through the second floor, 916 00:50:51,892 --> 00:50:55,345 presumably runs, because you don't just leisurely 917 00:50:55,347 --> 00:50:57,767 saunter away from your own murder scene, 918 00:50:57,768 --> 00:51:00,556 comes back down the stairs without being seen, 919 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,980 without being heard, without being detected. 920 00:51:02,981 --> 00:51:07,566 Makes his way all the way out the back door, over the fence, 921 00:51:07,567 --> 00:51:10,447 without disturbing the pollen on the top rail. 922 00:51:10,448 --> 00:51:13,364 So I think the only logical conclusion 923 00:51:13,365 --> 00:51:16,615 is that the killer is Spider-Man. 924 00:51:18,286 --> 00:51:19,866 Glen's a good courtroom lawyer. 925 00:51:19,871 --> 00:51:23,251 I would say his biggest victory was his opening statement. 926 00:51:23,252 --> 00:51:26,209 Remember, Glenn's job is to build. 927 00:51:26,211 --> 00:51:29,296 We don't build a building next to it 928 00:51:29,297 --> 00:51:30,716 that's bigger and nicer, 929 00:51:30,717 --> 00:51:32,545 because then we're assuming a burden, 930 00:51:32,550 --> 00:51:35,260 saying, Judge, our case is better. 931 00:51:35,261 --> 00:51:37,221 Never assume the burden. 932 00:51:37,222 --> 00:51:38,931 Our job is destruction. 933 00:51:38,932 --> 00:51:42,267 You take their case and you start taking it apart 934 00:51:42,268 --> 00:51:44,144 brick by brick by brick. 935 00:51:44,145 --> 00:51:45,854 Glenn's basic format: 936 00:51:45,855 --> 00:51:49,605 four people in a house, one person dead... 937 00:51:49,609 --> 00:51:51,944 That is very persuasive. 938 00:51:51,945 --> 00:51:53,145 It stops there. 939 00:51:53,154 --> 00:51:57,074 The rest of it is nothing short of voodoo. 940 00:51:57,075 --> 00:51:58,445 The defense says it's a case 941 00:51:58,451 --> 00:52:00,498 based on assumption and innuendo. 942 00:52:00,499 --> 00:52:02,955 The defense says the police never really investigated 943 00:52:02,956 --> 00:52:06,496 the theory that an intruder broke into the house that night. 944 00:52:06,501 --> 00:52:09,341 But today, they have the evidence to prove it. 945 00:52:12,757 --> 00:52:16,797 The first time we were here with my investigator, 946 00:52:16,803 --> 00:52:20,806 he realized that you could open this mail slot, 947 00:52:20,807 --> 00:52:26,395 put your hand in and open the door from the inside. 948 00:52:26,396 --> 00:52:29,565 The defense also submitted as an exhibit 949 00:52:29,566 --> 00:52:32,686 a short clip of one of the defense attorneys 950 00:52:32,694 --> 00:52:35,696 grab the top of the fence and vaulted it. 951 00:52:35,697 --> 00:52:39,487 Not complex, you didn't need superhuman strength. 952 00:52:39,492 --> 00:52:41,201 {\an8}During the investigation, 953 00:52:41,202 --> 00:52:44,252 {\an8}we knocked on the door of this house right next door. 954 00:52:44,253 --> 00:52:48,834 The housekeeper was there and she was home that night. 955 00:52:48,835 --> 00:52:52,955 She explained that the morning following the homicide, 956 00:52:52,964 --> 00:52:56,967 {\an8}she finds that there are two foot impressions 957 00:52:56,968 --> 00:52:58,508 {\an8}on the sandbox, 958 00:52:58,511 --> 00:53:00,561 {\an8}as if someone had jumped over the fence 959 00:53:00,562 --> 00:53:02,264 and landed right on this. 960 00:53:02,265 --> 00:53:06,345 She walks next door, finds the detective and says, 961 00:53:06,353 --> 00:53:07,853 "In my backyard, I might have something 962 00:53:07,854 --> 00:53:10,189 you'd be interested in seeing," 963 00:53:10,190 --> 00:53:11,690 evidence that would show 964 00:53:11,691 --> 00:53:14,691 that someone jumped over the fence at Price's house, 965 00:53:14,694 --> 00:53:18,447 and the police detective says, "Don't worry about it. 966 00:53:18,448 --> 00:53:21,738 We already have the people involved." 967 00:53:21,743 --> 00:53:23,702 This is the next day. 968 00:53:23,703 --> 00:53:27,753 Pretty compelling evidence ignored by the police. 969 00:53:29,167 --> 00:53:32,586 Today's testimony could make or break the prosecution's case. 970 00:53:32,587 --> 00:53:35,757 The deputy medical examiner took the stand. 971 00:53:38,968 --> 00:53:42,846 The fact that there wasn't any blood found at the scene 972 00:53:42,847 --> 00:53:45,807 was one of the biggest mysteries in this case. 973 00:53:45,809 --> 00:53:51,188 {\an8}A man is stabbed one, two, three times 974 00:53:51,189 --> 00:53:52,689 {\an8}in the chest. 975 00:53:52,691 --> 00:53:55,734 {\an8}One of the stab wounds goes through his heart. 976 00:53:55,735 --> 00:53:59,905 There are a few drops of blood. Where's the blood? 977 00:53:59,906 --> 00:54:02,736 The first day of my testimony 978 00:54:02,742 --> 00:54:06,745 {\an8}was all dedicated to the autopsy findings 979 00:54:06,746 --> 00:54:09,915 {\an8}and the three stab wounds. 980 00:54:09,916 --> 00:54:14,916 These wounds injured his heart and major blood vessels 981 00:54:14,921 --> 00:54:20,259 that would have caused significant blood loss. 982 00:54:20,260 --> 00:54:22,050 I was able to measure blood 983 00:54:22,053 --> 00:54:25,431 that had accumulated in Mr. Wone's body. 984 00:54:25,432 --> 00:54:31,602 My estimation was approximately one third of his blood volume. 985 00:54:31,604 --> 00:54:35,274 As to the whereabouts of the other two thirds, 986 00:54:35,275 --> 00:54:36,605 I don't know. 987 00:54:36,609 --> 00:54:38,399 The medical examiner testified 988 00:54:38,403 --> 00:54:41,947 that she found a third of a normal human being's blood 989 00:54:41,948 --> 00:54:45,117 in Robert Wone, but the defense is saying that there wasn't 990 00:54:45,118 --> 00:54:49,658 the bleeding that the police would expect to see. 991 00:54:49,664 --> 00:54:52,544 {\an8}The defense does not necessarily have to provide 992 00:54:52,545 --> 00:54:57,796 {\an8}anything more than poking holes or questioning the evidence 993 00:54:57,797 --> 00:54:59,967 and the claims by the prosecution. 994 00:54:59,968 --> 00:55:01,756 And this is what the defense did. 995 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:06,430 The renowned crime scene expert, Dr. Henry Lee, 996 00:55:06,431 --> 00:55:09,808 big time witness in the O.J. Simpson case, 997 00:55:09,809 --> 00:55:13,309 brought to superior court today by the defense. 998 00:55:13,313 --> 00:55:14,941 Dr. Lee takes the stand 999 00:55:14,942 --> 00:55:18,399 and he is saying that Robert was stabbed through the heart, 1000 00:55:18,401 --> 00:55:20,031 he bled out internally. 1001 00:55:20,032 --> 00:55:24,156 And so all of the blood remained inside his body. 1002 00:55:24,157 --> 00:55:27,447 That's why you didn't get any blood spatter 1003 00:55:27,452 --> 00:55:31,662 out around the bed or in the room. 1004 00:55:33,166 --> 00:55:35,496 I disagree with the defense theory 1005 00:55:35,502 --> 00:55:40,464 that there would have been minimal external blood loss. 1006 00:55:40,465 --> 00:55:45,045 And they tried to say that Mr. Wone died almost instantly 1007 00:55:45,053 --> 00:55:48,722 because of the wound to his heart. 1008 00:55:48,723 --> 00:55:50,182 There was internal bleeding. 1009 00:55:50,183 --> 00:55:54,186 We know that because he was forced to lie there 1010 00:55:54,187 --> 00:55:57,017 digesting his own blood before he ultimately died. 1011 00:55:57,023 --> 00:56:00,693 There also would have been external bleeding. 1012 00:56:00,694 --> 00:56:03,195 Jeff Baker said his torso appeared 1013 00:56:03,196 --> 00:56:06,156 as if it had been completely wiped clean. 1014 00:56:06,157 --> 00:56:08,157 I'm going to credit the first one on the scene 1015 00:56:08,159 --> 00:56:11,539 before I'm going to credit Bernie's take on any of this. 1016 00:56:15,875 --> 00:56:18,745 During the trial, what stood out to me 1017 00:56:18,753 --> 00:56:20,796 was the fight over the knife. 1018 00:56:20,797 --> 00:56:22,837 Glenn is saying it's a plant knife. 1019 00:56:22,841 --> 00:56:25,467 They dipped a towel in Robert's blood, 1020 00:56:25,468 --> 00:56:27,344 and then they took the knife 1021 00:56:27,345 --> 00:56:30,845 and then they drew the knife through the towel. 1022 00:56:30,849 --> 00:56:34,768 Dr. Lee proceeds to give a theory on the knife. 1023 00:56:34,769 --> 00:56:37,769 It is opposite of Glenn's theory. 1024 00:56:37,772 --> 00:56:40,607 He demonstrated it was like taking a knife 1025 00:56:40,608 --> 00:56:42,148 and dipping it into a catch a bottle. 1026 00:56:42,152 --> 00:56:45,237 So you're plunging it in and out, in and out. 1027 00:56:45,238 --> 00:56:49,528 And that he could see that kind of pattern on the knife 1028 00:56:49,534 --> 00:56:51,160 found at the scene. 1029 00:56:51,161 --> 00:56:54,911 I still remember Glenn Kirshner standing in the courtroom 1030 00:56:54,914 --> 00:56:59,251 arguing, "that knife is too long to inflict those wounds." 1031 00:56:59,252 --> 00:57:02,087 The knife that was perfect would have been 1032 00:57:02,088 --> 00:57:07,176 in the knife set that was inside Dylan Ward's bedroom. 1033 00:57:07,177 --> 00:57:12,556 Glenn said Dylan or someone used that knife, killed Robert, 1034 00:57:12,557 --> 00:57:15,807 then discarded the knife so the government couldn't find 1035 00:57:15,810 --> 00:57:17,560 the murder weapon. 1036 00:57:17,562 --> 00:57:20,272 And then you have the coup de grace here, right? 1037 00:57:20,273 --> 00:57:25,113 The defense attorneys bring Dylan's mother in to testify. 1038 00:57:26,905 --> 00:57:29,114 Dylan Ward's mother had said the cutlery set 1039 00:57:29,115 --> 00:57:32,695 that Dylan Ward had, she had mailed to him. 1040 00:57:32,702 --> 00:57:35,120 The one knife that was missing 1041 00:57:35,121 --> 00:57:37,371 that the government said was the murder weapon 1042 00:57:37,374 --> 00:57:40,501 was a knife she removed and kept for herself 1043 00:57:40,502 --> 00:57:44,004 and did not mail to Dylan. 1044 00:57:44,005 --> 00:57:45,795 This was a surprise. 1045 00:57:45,799 --> 00:57:48,967 You don't get to stop proceedings mid-trial. 1046 00:57:48,968 --> 00:57:50,678 We're surprised all the time. 1047 00:57:50,679 --> 00:57:52,054 You don't get a recess. 1048 00:57:52,055 --> 00:57:53,675 This is a shootout at the O.K. Corral. 1049 00:57:53,682 --> 00:57:56,102 You know, Wyatt Earp doesn't say, "Hey, I'm out of bullets, 1050 00:57:56,103 --> 00:57:59,520 do you guys mind waiting for a second?" 1051 00:57:59,521 --> 00:58:03,481 And it was not a surprise that the mother of a defendant 1052 00:58:03,483 --> 00:58:05,653 would come in and say, "Hey, I have a piece of evidence 1053 00:58:05,654 --> 00:58:07,778 that helps my son." 1054 00:58:07,779 --> 00:58:09,699 I don't call people liars in court. 1055 00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:11,657 Parents try to help their children. 1056 00:58:11,658 --> 00:58:13,828 It's human nature. 1057 00:58:15,995 --> 00:58:19,865 Trials are kind of like heavyweight championship fights. 1058 00:58:19,874 --> 00:58:23,419 You are in there throwing punches, 1059 00:58:23,420 --> 00:58:25,670 having punches thrown at you. 1060 00:58:25,672 --> 00:58:29,052 At the end, you're bloodied and you're beaten up, you know. 1061 00:58:29,053 --> 00:58:32,010 At some point, that final bell rings. 1062 00:58:35,098 --> 00:58:37,268 After sitting through all the evidence, 1063 00:58:37,269 --> 00:58:41,437 how the defense had argued so vociferously with Glenn 1064 00:58:41,438 --> 00:58:47,188 over the knife and hearing Dr. Henry Lee's explanation, 1065 00:58:47,193 --> 00:58:51,947 there were parts of the trial that made you really question 1066 00:58:51,948 --> 00:58:54,778 what kind of case the government had here. 1067 00:58:54,784 --> 00:58:56,581 Today, the defense rested its case. 1068 00:58:56,582 --> 00:58:59,957 They've called seven witnesses, including four doctors, 1069 00:58:59,958 --> 00:59:02,206 in an effort to prove that the three housemates 1070 00:59:02,208 --> 00:59:07,958 had no knowledge of the crime, no time to cover up that murder. 1071 00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,637 What I tried to prove was that these three men had lied, 1072 00:59:15,638 --> 00:59:17,097 engaged in misdirection, 1073 00:59:17,098 --> 00:59:20,684 and that they all did it jointly in a conspiracy, 1074 00:59:20,685 --> 00:59:24,605 full stop. 1075 00:59:24,606 --> 00:59:28,275 Glenn's evidence is just bullshit. 1076 00:59:28,276 --> 00:59:32,526 In order to find one, two or three guilty, 1077 00:59:32,530 --> 00:59:35,370 you have to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt 1078 00:59:35,371 --> 00:59:38,907 that all three of them conspired to obstruct justice 1079 00:59:38,912 --> 00:59:42,372 by cleaning up the crime scene, by delaying the phone call, 1080 00:59:42,374 --> 00:59:46,043 by getting rid of evidence... And then, which person did it? 1081 00:59:46,044 --> 00:59:49,254 Therein lies your problem... The math problem. 1082 00:59:49,255 --> 00:59:52,925 Glenn kept using the word "they"... well, who? 1083 00:59:52,926 --> 00:59:54,836 Which one did it? 1084 00:59:54,844 --> 00:59:57,354 Which two did it? Did all three do it? 1085 01:00:06,314 --> 01:00:08,780 The prosecution has rested in the obstruction case 1086 01:00:08,781 --> 01:00:11,435 involving the murder of D.C. lawyer Robert Wone. 1087 01:00:11,444 --> 01:00:16,281 A judge is now deciding the fate of the three defendants. 1088 01:00:16,282 --> 01:00:18,202 I thought that Glenn presented enough evidence 1089 01:00:18,203 --> 01:00:21,161 to find those guys guilty of obstruction. 1090 01:00:23,331 --> 01:00:27,001 {\an8}The misdirection to the intruder theory, 1091 01:00:27,002 --> 01:00:30,462 {\an8}the guys being freshly showered... 1092 01:00:30,463 --> 01:00:36,301 To me, that alone told you they were hiding things. 1093 01:00:36,302 --> 01:00:37,972 I hoped every night when I went home 1094 01:00:37,973 --> 01:00:40,351 that they were going to get convicted. 1095 01:00:42,267 --> 01:00:44,307 Judge Leibovitz was deliberating. 1096 01:00:44,310 --> 01:00:45,688 {\an8}The case was closed, she said, 1097 01:00:45,689 --> 01:00:47,307 {\an8}"I'll be back in a week with the verdict." 1098 01:00:47,313 --> 01:00:51,283 The entire time you're on pins and needles. 1099 01:00:53,486 --> 01:00:56,446 Another big story, a ruling in the trial against three men 1100 01:00:56,448 --> 01:01:00,617 accused of covering up the murder of Robert Wone. 1101 01:01:00,618 --> 01:01:03,868 I remember being in the newsroom 1102 01:01:03,872 --> 01:01:05,414 and getting a call 1103 01:01:05,415 --> 01:01:08,165 {\an8}that there was going to be a verdict, 1104 01:01:08,168 --> 01:01:10,168 {\an8}and racing to Superior Court. 1105 01:01:10,170 --> 01:01:13,964 We all get in there, the place is packed. 1106 01:01:13,965 --> 01:01:18,675 {\an8}Each of the defendants were very solemn when they came in. 1107 01:01:18,678 --> 01:01:20,178 There was no levity. 1108 01:01:20,180 --> 01:01:24,975 There was a hush when Kathy and Robert's family came in. 1109 01:01:24,976 --> 01:01:26,476 The judge takes the bench 1110 01:01:26,478 --> 01:01:29,728 and you could feel the tension within the room. 1111 01:01:29,731 --> 01:01:34,401 {\an8}There was a tremendous amount of anticipation for this verdict 1112 01:01:34,402 --> 01:01:37,282 where either these three guys were going to be convicted, 1113 01:01:37,283 --> 01:01:39,780 handcuffed and taken away, 1114 01:01:39,783 --> 01:01:41,873 or they were going to walk free. 1115 01:01:51,127 --> 01:01:54,417 {\an8}I turned first to the intruder theory. 1116 01:01:54,422 --> 01:01:56,301 I am persuaded by the trial evidence 1117 01:01:56,302 --> 01:01:57,879 that the murder of Robert Wone 1118 01:01:57,884 --> 01:02:02,388 was not committed by an intruder unknown to the defendants. 1119 01:02:02,389 --> 01:02:08,599 {\an8}The judge pretty easily dismissed the notion 1120 01:02:08,603 --> 01:02:12,606 {\an8}that an intruder, unknown, unseen, unheard, 1121 01:02:12,607 --> 01:02:15,897 had killed Robert. 1122 01:02:15,902 --> 01:02:17,820 It's a 38-page document. 1123 01:02:17,821 --> 01:02:19,571 I remember sitting there. 1124 01:02:19,572 --> 01:02:23,575 I had a reaction on virtually almost every page 1125 01:02:23,576 --> 01:02:27,076 where I would say, "Oh, she's going to convict." 1126 01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,460 This is not to say that there is no possibility whatsoever 1127 01:02:30,461 --> 01:02:34,586 that an intruder entered, as the defendants say one did. 1128 01:02:34,587 --> 01:02:37,297 And then the next page, "oh, she's going to acquit." 1129 01:02:37,298 --> 01:02:38,798 The essential question remains 1130 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,969 whether the evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt 1131 01:02:41,970 --> 01:02:43,554 as to any defendant 1132 01:02:43,555 --> 01:02:47,595 that he knew sufficient information about the murder. 1133 01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:51,310 Uniformly, they said that there was an intruder, 1134 01:02:51,312 --> 01:02:53,819 in separate rooms, in separate interviews. 1135 01:02:53,820 --> 01:02:57,435 She could not conclude that that was obstruction of justice 1136 01:02:57,444 --> 01:03:01,321 because she couldn't conclude specific intent. 1137 01:03:01,322 --> 01:03:03,951 Some of the most persuasive evidence supporting 1138 01:03:03,952 --> 01:03:05,409 the government's position 1139 01:03:05,410 --> 01:03:07,329 is each one of them displayed a demeanor 1140 01:03:07,330 --> 01:03:09,408 wholly at odds with what anyone would expect 1141 01:03:09,414 --> 01:03:11,293 from an innocent person whose friend 1142 01:03:11,294 --> 01:03:12,831 had just been murdered. 1143 01:03:12,834 --> 01:03:16,795 She shredded the three of these men's characters. 1144 01:03:16,796 --> 01:03:19,586 {\an8}This was true during the 911 call. 1145 01:03:20,759 --> 01:03:23,388 {\an8}And when the defendants were on videotape talking to police, 1146 01:03:23,389 --> 01:03:25,966 Mr. Zaborsky was histrionic and tearful, 1147 01:03:25,972 --> 01:03:28,392 but his words and demeanor on the 911 call 1148 01:03:28,393 --> 01:03:30,891 are at best odd and eyebrow raising, 1149 01:03:30,894 --> 01:03:33,312 and at worst, calculated. 1150 01:03:33,313 --> 01:03:35,814 - Bizarre behavior. - Bizarre. 1151 01:03:35,815 --> 01:03:38,105 Mr. Price was consistently arrogant, 1152 01:03:38,109 --> 01:03:40,449 unconcerned and dismissive. 1153 01:03:43,865 --> 01:03:48,535 Emotionless. It doesn't make any sense 1154 01:03:48,536 --> 01:03:52,496 with the loss of a deep, longstanding friend. 1155 01:03:52,499 --> 01:03:55,749 Mr. Ward was, from the start, distant and detached, 1156 01:03:55,752 --> 01:03:57,552 unmoved and calm. 1157 01:03:59,547 --> 01:04:02,507 Like, fuck... it sounded like she was going to 1158 01:04:02,509 --> 01:04:05,299 find them all guilty. 1159 01:04:05,303 --> 01:04:08,263 It's almost as if you see a tractor trailer 1160 01:04:08,264 --> 01:04:09,890 about to T-bone your car, 1161 01:04:09,891 --> 01:04:12,271 and you don't know if you can get out of the way quick enough. 1162 01:04:12,272 --> 01:04:15,728 It was 47 minutes of terror, 1163 01:04:15,730 --> 01:04:17,020 absolute terror. 1164 01:04:17,023 --> 01:04:19,358 And then... - I conclude that the knife used 1165 01:04:19,359 --> 01:04:20,899 to commit the stabbing was, in fact, 1166 01:04:20,902 --> 01:04:24,029 the kitchen knife found on the nightstand. 1167 01:04:24,030 --> 01:04:26,828 She did not believe that that knife was a plant. 1168 01:04:26,829 --> 01:04:30,075 She believed, based on the evidence that she had heard 1169 01:04:30,078 --> 01:04:34,707 from Dr. Henry Lee, that that was the murder weapon. 1170 01:04:34,708 --> 01:04:38,418 But as she's going through the evidence against Joe Price, 1171 01:04:38,420 --> 01:04:41,130 she believed that he had tampered 1172 01:04:41,131 --> 01:04:43,381 with the knife at the scene. 1173 01:04:43,383 --> 01:04:45,012 It is very likely that Mr. Price 1174 01:04:45,013 --> 01:04:47,550 pulled the murder weapon from the victim's chest, 1175 01:04:47,554 --> 01:04:49,224 wiped the blade, and even possibly 1176 01:04:49,225 --> 01:04:51,348 the handle of the knife. 1177 01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:54,268 But she couldn't come up with the intent. 1178 01:04:54,269 --> 01:04:56,269 I cannot say why he pulled the knife 1179 01:04:56,271 --> 01:04:59,271 or that his reasons for failing to tell the police about it 1180 01:04:59,274 --> 01:05:00,902 were to obstruct justice. 1181 01:05:00,903 --> 01:05:03,029 This is a roller coaster you're going through 1182 01:05:03,030 --> 01:05:05,358 as you're sitting there, as she's reading this, 1183 01:05:05,363 --> 01:05:07,489 you're going back and forth. 1184 01:05:07,490 --> 01:05:09,490 I conclude that the government's evidence 1185 01:05:09,492 --> 01:05:13,245 does not prove the defendant's timelines are false. 1186 01:05:13,246 --> 01:05:16,915 She didn't believe that they had delayed the call to 911 1187 01:05:16,916 --> 01:05:20,586 or that they had cleaned up the blood. 1188 01:05:20,587 --> 01:05:22,957 The American criminal justice system 1189 01:05:22,964 --> 01:05:24,383 presumes a person innocent 1190 01:05:24,384 --> 01:05:26,802 until the prosecution proves him guilty. 1191 01:05:28,553 --> 01:05:31,472 The degree of certainty necessary to convict a defendant 1192 01:05:31,473 --> 01:05:35,100 is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. 1193 01:05:35,101 --> 01:05:38,520 Based on the foregoing, I find Joseph Price, 1194 01:05:38,521 --> 01:05:41,651 Dylan Ward and Victor's Zaborsky... 1195 01:05:45,028 --> 01:05:46,778 Not guilty. 1196 01:05:57,791 --> 01:06:02,841 It all just sort of went up in a puff of smoke at the end. 1197 01:06:04,047 --> 01:06:07,297 There was just a collective exhale. 1198 01:06:07,300 --> 01:06:09,800 The judge says "not guilty," 1199 01:06:09,803 --> 01:06:14,723 and you just walk out of there stunned. 1200 01:06:14,724 --> 01:06:17,643 And at that point, I recall Kathy Wone 1201 01:06:17,644 --> 01:06:19,274 and the other members of the family 1202 01:06:19,275 --> 01:06:21,397 quickly exiting the courtroom 1203 01:06:21,398 --> 01:06:24,608 before the judge even gaveled out. 1204 01:06:27,362 --> 01:06:31,365 There was no justice for a woman who lost her husband, 1205 01:06:31,366 --> 01:06:36,036 no justice for a mother and father who lost their son. 1206 01:06:37,706 --> 01:06:41,326 There was no elation on the defense side. 1207 01:06:41,334 --> 01:06:44,003 There's no winners. Everyone loses. 1208 01:06:44,004 --> 01:06:46,005 Kathy lost her husband. 1209 01:06:46,006 --> 01:06:48,674 Joe lost his reputation, his partnership. 1210 01:06:48,675 --> 01:06:51,925 They were excommunicated from the District of Columbia. 1211 01:06:51,928 --> 01:06:54,468 It's a tragedy. 1212 01:06:54,472 --> 01:06:57,979 {\an8}Even if the defendants did not participate in the murder, 1213 01:06:57,980 --> 01:07:00,896 some or all of them knew enough about the circumstances of it 1214 01:07:00,897 --> 01:07:04,475 to provide helpful information to law enforcement 1215 01:07:04,482 --> 01:07:06,442 and have chosen to withhold that information 1216 01:07:06,443 --> 01:07:08,819 for reasons of their own. 1217 01:07:08,820 --> 01:07:11,320 {\an8}The judge even acknowledged 1218 01:07:11,322 --> 01:07:13,615 {\an8}that she did not buy 1219 01:07:13,616 --> 01:07:15,036 {\an8}the story they were telling. 1220 01:07:15,037 --> 01:07:18,704 So, how do you find them not guilty? 1221 01:07:18,705 --> 01:07:21,705 My focus on the difference between moral certainty 1222 01:07:21,708 --> 01:07:23,788 and evidentiary certainty in this case 1223 01:07:23,793 --> 01:07:27,173 is probably cold comfort to those who loved Robert Wone 1224 01:07:27,174 --> 01:07:31,467 and wish for some measure of peace or justice. 1225 01:07:31,468 --> 01:07:33,218 Judge Leibovitz said, "Make no mistake, 1226 01:07:33,219 --> 01:07:34,799 I know what happened in there," 1227 01:07:34,804 --> 01:07:40,142 which was completely gratuitous and unnecessary. 1228 01:07:40,143 --> 01:07:42,353 Judge Leibovitz made an observation 1229 01:07:42,354 --> 01:07:45,606 that there's a difference between moral certainty... 1230 01:07:45,607 --> 01:07:47,227 That these guys covered up the crime 1231 01:07:47,233 --> 01:07:49,651 and we all kind of know it... 1232 01:07:49,652 --> 01:07:51,904 And evidentiary certainty... 1233 01:07:51,905 --> 01:07:56,785 More precisely, proof beyond a reasonable doubt. 1234 01:07:58,328 --> 01:08:00,368 The judge has acquitted all three 1235 01:08:00,372 --> 01:08:02,419 on obstruction of justice charges. 1236 01:08:02,420 --> 01:08:04,625 Kathy Wone left the courthouse in tears, 1237 01:08:04,626 --> 01:08:07,044 her quest for justice in a shambles. 1238 01:08:07,045 --> 01:08:08,504 She declined to comment. 1239 01:08:08,505 --> 01:08:09,835 As they have since the night of the murder, 1240 01:08:09,839 --> 01:08:12,379 all three defendants also had nothing to say. 1241 01:08:12,384 --> 01:08:13,894 We have no comment right now. 1242 01:08:13,895 --> 01:08:17,505 We all understand and accept the judge's verdict. 1243 01:08:17,514 --> 01:08:21,392 We can only hope that further evidence 1244 01:08:21,393 --> 01:08:22,771 continues to come to light 1245 01:08:22,772 --> 01:08:24,599 that will allow us to move forward 1246 01:08:24,604 --> 01:08:27,614 in the homicide investigation. 1247 01:08:30,568 --> 01:08:33,195 {\an8}I... "regret" is too strong a word; 1248 01:08:33,196 --> 01:08:34,776 I question myself. 1249 01:08:34,781 --> 01:08:37,449 I think we made the best decision 1250 01:08:37,450 --> 01:08:39,450 for the right reasons at the time. 1251 01:08:39,452 --> 01:08:43,956 Maybe I should have seen things that I didn't see back then, 1252 01:08:43,957 --> 01:08:47,127 because perhaps the result would have been different. 1253 01:08:49,004 --> 01:08:52,220 I think the Court's verdict reflects just a lot of time 1254 01:08:52,221 --> 01:08:54,545 that the judge spent over the evidence, 1255 01:08:54,551 --> 01:08:56,635 over the testimony. 1256 01:08:56,636 --> 01:08:58,886 Unless there's other evidence I'm unaware of, 1257 01:08:58,888 --> 01:09:01,678 you'll never shake me that Price is innocent. 1258 01:09:01,683 --> 01:09:04,184 I could be fooled, but after 33 years, 1259 01:09:04,185 --> 01:09:06,515 I can get a pretty good read on people. 1260 01:09:06,521 --> 01:09:10,981 He was factually innocent; and if he is, the other two are. 1261 01:09:14,029 --> 01:09:16,029 There's not unanswered questions, 1262 01:09:16,031 --> 01:09:20,081 there's one singular question, which is: who did it? 1263 01:09:33,048 --> 01:09:35,588 A bombshell dropped in the trial of three men accused 1264 01:09:35,592 --> 01:09:37,142 of covering up the murder of a friend. 1265 01:09:37,143 --> 01:09:40,175 A source familiar with the case says his widow has agreed 1266 01:09:40,180 --> 01:09:42,768 to settle her $20 million wrongful death 1267 01:09:42,769 --> 01:09:44,426 civil suit out of court. 1268 01:09:44,434 --> 01:09:47,314 Kathy brought a wrongful death suit against the three guys, 1269 01:09:47,315 --> 01:09:49,104 Joe, Victor and Dylan. 1270 01:09:49,105 --> 01:09:51,605 Kathy wanted them to speak. She begged them to come 1271 01:09:51,608 --> 01:09:53,438 and testify at the civil trial. 1272 01:09:53,443 --> 01:09:54,862 They took the Fifth. 1273 01:09:54,863 --> 01:09:57,241 They are hiding behind the Fifth Amendment 1274 01:09:57,242 --> 01:10:01,278 on very straightforward questions like, 1275 01:10:01,284 --> 01:10:03,786 Did you kill Robert Wone? 1276 01:10:03,787 --> 01:10:07,667 Kathy Wone settled for a cash settlement to a charitable trust 1277 01:10:07,668 --> 01:10:11,165 because the trio refused to cooperate. 1278 01:10:11,169 --> 01:10:12,959 It's undisclosed, the dollar amount... 1279 01:10:12,962 --> 01:10:13,962 We have no idea. 1280 01:10:13,963 --> 01:10:15,883 When you settle a civil suit, 1281 01:10:15,884 --> 01:10:18,302 when you've been accused of wrongfully 1282 01:10:18,303 --> 01:10:21,011 causing the death of somebody, and you decide, 1283 01:10:21,012 --> 01:10:22,809 I'm not going to go to court and fight that, 1284 01:10:22,810 --> 01:10:25,766 rather, I'm going to pay out to make it go away... 1285 01:10:25,767 --> 01:10:28,767 I don't equate that with justice. 1286 01:10:31,356 --> 01:10:32,476 It's very draining. 1287 01:10:32,482 --> 01:10:35,651 {\an8}It does require a lot out of you, 1288 01:10:35,652 --> 01:10:37,782 {\an8}both emotionally and physically. 1289 01:10:37,783 --> 01:10:41,319 You come to realize that it's actually very sacred. 1290 01:10:41,324 --> 01:10:42,912 That makes a big difference, 1291 01:10:42,913 --> 01:10:45,449 rather than just viewing that emotional void 1292 01:10:45,453 --> 01:10:47,871 as just a black hole. 1293 01:10:47,872 --> 01:10:50,832 The four and a half years that I had with Robert, 1294 01:10:50,834 --> 01:10:52,634 it is a very sacred. 1295 01:11:05,849 --> 01:11:10,099 There are three people who know who murdered Robert Wan. 1296 01:11:13,064 --> 01:11:15,524 And they're still not talking. 1297 01:11:15,525 --> 01:11:18,775 It angers me that 1298 01:11:18,778 --> 01:11:22,528 Joe, Victor and Dylan 1299 01:11:22,532 --> 01:11:24,867 abdicated their responsibility 1300 01:11:24,868 --> 01:11:27,198 to their good friend Robert. 1301 01:11:27,203 --> 01:11:28,623 It's not over yet. 1302 01:11:28,624 --> 01:11:31,791 It may be a long time, but it's not over. 1303 01:11:33,877 --> 01:11:37,707 To this day, we don't have answers. 1304 01:11:37,714 --> 01:11:40,220 I'm hoping that somebody will recall something 1305 01:11:40,221 --> 01:11:43,756 about that night that they never told anybody and come forward 1306 01:11:43,762 --> 01:11:46,597 and give us the keys or the clues 1307 01:11:46,598 --> 01:11:50,098 that help detectives solve what happened. 1308 01:11:52,020 --> 01:11:56,230 When I die, first question I'm going to ask God: 1309 01:11:56,232 --> 01:11:58,322 Who killed Robert Wone? 1310 01:12:05,742 --> 01:12:08,118 One of the things I've come to learn 1311 01:12:08,119 --> 01:12:10,579 over my career as a prosecutor is, 1312 01:12:10,580 --> 01:12:13,120 justice is a never-ending journey. 1313 01:12:13,124 --> 01:12:14,964 It's a process. 1314 01:12:17,170 --> 01:12:19,049 Glenn has told me, even though he's retired 1315 01:12:19,050 --> 01:12:21,967 from the U.S. Attorney's office, this will always be his case. 1316 01:12:21,968 --> 01:12:24,796 There's no statute of limitations on murder 1317 01:12:24,803 --> 01:12:26,053 in the District of Columbia. 1318 01:12:26,054 --> 01:12:28,263 If evidence surfaced down the road 1319 01:12:28,264 --> 01:12:31,484 that would prove what happened inside that house that night, 1320 01:12:31,485 --> 01:12:33,806 somebody could be prosecuted. 1321 01:12:35,522 --> 01:12:39,066 The homicide case is still out there lurking... 1322 01:12:39,067 --> 01:12:42,695 All's Glenn needs is one statement, one accident, 1323 01:12:42,696 --> 01:12:45,864 somebody says something out of context, 1324 01:12:45,865 --> 01:12:49,115 and he's back in the ball game. 1325 01:12:49,119 --> 01:12:53,288 They bring them up on murder charges and I'll try it. 1326 01:12:53,289 --> 01:12:54,999 I-I'll do it for nothin'. 1327 01:13:00,672 --> 01:13:03,682 I don't feel like I've ever stopped. 1328 01:13:07,303 --> 01:13:11,393 We'll keep working to find Robert's killers. 1329 01:13:13,393 --> 01:13:17,733 That final chapter remains to be written. 1330 01:14:02,192 --> 01:14:06,402 {\an8}Why would it be Dylan as opposed to Joe or Victor? 1331 01:14:17,791 --> 01:14:19,881 This case has more questions than it has answers. 1332 01:14:19,882 --> 01:14:23,206 I don't know. And it will bug me forever. 1333 01:14:23,213 --> 01:14:25,592 But yeah, you're right, if somebody said, 1334 01:14:25,593 --> 01:14:28,050 "Bernie, there's a gun to your mother's head, 1335 01:14:28,051 --> 01:14:29,801 what's your best guess?" 1336 01:14:29,803 --> 01:14:31,263 I'd say Dylan. 107904

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