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This was a flirtatious
woman who was
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used to getting her way
with men.
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She says that her and her
husband entered into this pact
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on their marriage night.
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They agreed that if
either of them ever cheated,
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they got to kill that person.
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I asked him about it,
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and he said, "It's just sex."
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Just a stranger
to have sex with.
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I think anybody
that had anything
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to do with them
that got out alive
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is lucky, including myself.
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And she kept repeating,
"He's going to kill me."
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And he shoots my daughter.
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That's about the
only time in my career
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that I just wanted
to shoot him.
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You can run,
but you can't hide.
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I feel very emotional
when I come here.
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That hasn't changed.
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I can feel--
feel it in my heart.
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And I can feel Christopher.
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I feel like he's
with me when I'm here.
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Iron River is
a very small community
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in the Upper Peninsula,
close to Wisconsin.
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It's very beautiful.
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And that's one
thing Christopher liked
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about this area.
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He loved the outdoors.
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Once the mines left, they
left these big mine pits,
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and they filled with water.
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And no one really knows
how deep the mine pits are,
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but they're very murky
and dark on the bottom.
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It's a good place
to lose somebody.
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Jason Cochran was
37 years old.
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And in all those cases
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where somebody dies when
they're that young,
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even if they die
at the hospital,
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generally it gets looked at.
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In this case, there was
an indication, you know,
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that maybe drugs were involved.
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When we pulled up
in the driveway,
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it was snowing like
you wouldn't believe.
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Jason Cochran's wife,
Kelly, comes walking out.
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And I said,
"I'm here to investigate
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the death of your husband."
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And she says, "Are you
here for any other reason?"
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And I said, "I don't
understand the question."
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She said, "Did you come
here for another reason?
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"Did you come here to question
me about something else?
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I said, "Should I be
questioning you
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about something else?"
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I go, this is becoming
very odd for me.
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And she said,
"No, I was just asking."
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I came in on a Monday morning,
and I answered a phone call
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from the FBI tip line,
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and they said
that they had received
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an anonymous call
and that, you know,
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we needed to take a closer look
at Jason Cochran's death.
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They said that, you know,
it was a possibility
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that Jason Cochran
and Kelly Cochran had
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been involved
in a missing persons case
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up in the Iron River.
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Christopher and I met first
back in the 1980s
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in Marquette, Michigan,
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and Chris was in the Air Force
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at K. I. Sawyer
Air Force Base.
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And we were just friends.
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But we got along wonderful.
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And then he--he got married,
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and he traveled all over
with the air base,
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and we lost touch.
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We got back together
through the internet
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and we started chatting.
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And he was divorced,
and I was divorced.
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And so we met up
and wined and dined
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and just had a wonderful time
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and just started dating again.
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It was awesome.
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It was wonderful.
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When Chris would look at me,
I'd just--just melt.
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He just made you feel
like you were everything,
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you know, that you were
the only person in the room
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when he looked at you.
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We'd go out
somewhere together.
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He'd tell me,
"You just make me so proud
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having you on my arm,"
you know?
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And he was just always--
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little things he would
say and do
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that would just lift you up
and make you feel magical.
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He was very easy
to fall in love with.
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But Christopher kept a secret.
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I was planning
a trip to England,
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and I went over
to see Christopher
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and found him making
plans to meet up
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with someone else
when I was gone.
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And I asked him about it,
and he said,
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well, I was going to be gone,
you know, for a month,
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and it's just sex, just
a stranger to have sex with.
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And I said,
"You don't do that."
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You don't--
and he kept telling me,
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it doesn't make a difference.
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I love you.
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What--that doesn't matter.
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And I had a real
hard time with that.
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And that's why we
ended up breaking up.
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I was just astonished,
to be honest,
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that Christopher had,
like, this second life.
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I still loved him, and he
would still call or text.
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But we couldn't date.
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We couldn't be a couple
because it just wasn't right,
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at least for me.
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On October 10th, Christopher
told me he took a job
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in Charlotte, North Carolina.
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He asked me if we would
try to, you know,
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do a long-distance
relationship.
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That morning--it was about
6:00 a.m. in the morning--
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he called me and told me
that he was going
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to be going the next day.
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And we were going
to make plans to go for--
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and eat, and then I was
going to help him pack.
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That was the last time
I heard from him.
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I kept texting,
messaging him,
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and I got no response.
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I drove by the apartment.
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His truck was there,
but his car was gone.
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And one of my friends
that he works with
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told me he hadn't been
at work for over a week.
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And then I got panicky.
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He had everything going for
him at that time in his life.
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He would have never taken his
own life or just taken off.
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Just fear,
complete fear came over me
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that something--
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I knew something
happened to him.
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And I walked over
to the police station,
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and Detective Frizzo
saw me standing.
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I frantically said, my--
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my ex-boyfriend's missing,
and something happened to him,
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and I haven't heard from him,
and I need help.
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We need to find him.
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When we first started
this investigation,
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Terri had told me where
Chris had been working.
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And the human resources
director told me
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that, you know, Chris was--
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he didn't really
have a lot of friends there,
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just a couple people
that he really, you know,
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would associate with,
and that there was a woman
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that he was allegedly
having an affair with
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that also worked there.
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This woman was, you know,
Kelly Cochran.
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She would go to his
apartment for them to meet.
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And I think she gave him
that part of his life,
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whatever he wanted
to satisfy that need,
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because it wasn't love,
but it was sex.
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Right around the time
of Chris's disappearance,
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one of his coworkers
spotted his vehicle parked
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in a park and ride
just east of Iron River.
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My sergeant notices, you know,
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on the front seat,
flipped upside down,
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here's a piece
of paper with directions.
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And as she reads
me the directions,
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it matches the directions
that I had just gotten
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from the deputy
to Kelly Cochran's house.
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So immediately
I've got some red flags.
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At that point I had
told the sergeant,
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you know, go up
to that residence
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and see if she might know
where Chris Regan is.
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So the sergeant called me
after they made contact
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at the Cochran residence
that night,
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and she had
a bad feeling as well.
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So the sergeant, she said,
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when they went to the door,
they asked for Kelly.
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They were met by Jason Cochran,
who seemed irritated
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and told them that
Kelly was not there.
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The trooper had noticed
a silhouette
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in the upper window upstairs
of the residence.
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And as they're talking
to Jason,
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Kelly presents herself.
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She admits that she'd
been having an affair--
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was having an affair
with Chris.
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She admits that she knew he
was supposed to have shown up
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for a medical appointment
for his new job that--
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but she claims that
she hadn't seen him since.
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One thing that the sergeant
noted was, you know,
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I asked Kelly if
she thought it was odd
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that Chris's car would be
parked in the park and ride.
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And Kelly's response
to the sergeant was,
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"Yeah, I'd find that very odd.
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He loved that car."
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Past tense.
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At that point, I thought
maybe Jason Cochran
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did something to Chris Regan.
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I knew the first thing
that I wanted to do was
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obtain a search warrant
for Chris Regan's apartment,
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for his vehicle,
for his phone records.
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Phone records indicated
that his last conversation
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was with Jason Cochran,
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or with Jason Cochran's phone.
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You know, he had fueled
his car up around 4:00 p.m.,
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had the phone conversations
with Jason Cochran's phone,
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and then he just disappeared.
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So a plan was made
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to interview the Cochrans
at our department
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the following morning.
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Kelly was so--
just so calm and cool
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and relaxed that anyone
that would have met her
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for the first time
would have thought,
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there's no way she can
hold it together this well.
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Jason was completely
the opposite,
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how he immediately
entered the interview room
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and immediately, you know,
broke down
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began to cry about
his health issues and his life.
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And it was just
my opinion at that time
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that people don't generally
act that way,
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that that to me was
a sign of guilt
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or nervousness or anxiety,
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or whatever it was.
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But to me, it wasn't normal.
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And to me,
it was a huge red flag.
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Kelly and Jason Cochran
both grew up
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in, you know,
the Hobart, Indiana area.
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Both of them apparently lived
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down the street
from each other.
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Kelly indicated that
they were neighbors.
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You know, she referred to him
as the boy next door.
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I met them in early 2013.
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They're married
for 12 or 13 years,
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and high school sweethearts.
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It sounded like
any happy couple.
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Jason was really quiet.
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He was a nice guy.
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We just really hit it off
as--as friends.
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We had good food,
good times,
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laughed, hung out.
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On the surface,
it really looks
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like a good relationship.
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But I think it was all part
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of what they were
trying to depict.
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I was having dinner
with Jason and Kelly
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at a restaurant
there in their town,
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and oddly, she asked him,
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"Did you show Walt our friend?"
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I had no idea what
she was talking about.
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And he showed me a picture of a
half-naked woman on his phone.
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And--and Kelly said, yeah, I
found a friend for Jason and I,
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because I love him so much that
I wanted to keep him happy.
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Kelly had clearly portrayed
at her workplace
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that her husband
was very abusive,
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and that she felt
very afraid of him.
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She really had her coworkers
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and her administrators thinking
she was a battered woman.
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And really, it wasn't until I
got into their phone records
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and started reading some
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of their text messages
to each other,
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where I learned the story
of who Kelly and Jason
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really were, and what the
story of their marriage was.
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And it was quite the opposite
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of what Kelly had
described at work.
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Jason, if anything,
was a battered man.
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She was very emotionally
abusive to him.
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He begged her nonstop
to stay home and be his wife,
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stop having affairs.
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And she just continued
to belittle him.
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I would say
that their marriage was--
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was controlled by Kelly.
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Their lives together
were controlled by her.
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She did all the cooking,
the financing, the--
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everything,
the grocery shopping.
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He didn't really
do much of anything.
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He just did what
he could to keep her happy.
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She ran the show.
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I don't feel he ever
really wanted to cross her.
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I didn't see the--
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the red flags that
maybe I should have.
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I was able to go back
and look at text messages
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between Kelly and Jason
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around the time
of Chris's disappearance.
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Their communication was,
you know, this--
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him begging her,
her, you know, belittling him.
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And then, you know, come
October 15th, October 16th,
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two days after Chris was
missing and gone, you know,
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she's a completely
different woman.
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She's, you know,
in love with her husband.
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He's handsome, and he's,
you know, turning her on,
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and she wants to have sex.
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And it's a completely
different, you know,
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atmosphere that I suspected
the most likely scenario
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is that, you know, Chris Regan
made contact with the Cochrans
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and something,
you know, happened.
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It was the first week
of March,
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and there was still snow
on the ground.
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And we decided we were
going to go ahead and do
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this first search warrant
at the Cochran residence.
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The Michigan State Police
lab personnel comes
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down from Marquette,
collects evidence.
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I got that text.
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"Did Chris have
a rabbit's foot?"
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I just started crying.
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It's like, yeah, he always
carried a rabbit's foot
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in his pocket for good luck.
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Detective Frizzo had
found a rabbit's foot
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underneath the back porch
at the Cochran home.
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That was the first sign that--
you know,
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of something of his
at the Cochran home.
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When we did a search warrant
at the Cochran residence,
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I thought we might be able
to find Chris Regan's DNA.
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We really, you know,
felt positive that we were
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going to have something.
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We were going to have
enough to hopefully
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get these people arrested.
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I'm waiting for the results,
you know, from the lab
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as far as the evidence
we collected.
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And I get the bad news
that we got nothing.
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I remember that moment
because I was so sure.
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You know, I had
these big binders,
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these big books of my case
sitting on the back table.
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And I got off the phone
and I--
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I just wanted to take them
and toss them out the window
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because I was so frustrated.
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The following morning,
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Kelly and Jason Cochran
take off,
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00:19:00,553 --> 00:19:02,693
taking just what
they could fit in their truck,
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went to Indiana,
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and would never
return to Michigan.
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And I remember saying,
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something's going to happen
down there.
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You know, either he's going
to kill her and kill himself,
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or she's going to kill him,
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00:19:15,568 --> 00:19:16,914
but something's
going to happen.
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I eventually interviewed
the neighbors,
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who start talking about
this particular night where
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it's like 2:30 in the morning
and they can hear power--
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you know, power tools running
over at the Cochran residence,
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00:19:32,619 --> 00:19:37,486
you know, describing saws
and everything else.
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00:19:39,108 --> 00:19:40,972
And the one brother said,
you know, that the next day
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00:19:41,076 --> 00:19:43,216
he went and talked
to Jason outside,
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00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,254
and Jason said that he was
doing some remodeling.
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00:19:46,357 --> 00:19:50,050
And he's like, you know,
why would you be remodeling
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00:19:50,154 --> 00:19:51,811
at 2:30 in the morning?
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00:19:51,914 --> 00:19:54,227
And Jason's answer to him,
so he says,
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00:19:54,331 --> 00:19:57,092
was "I can't sleep."
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00:19:57,196 --> 00:19:58,749
And that was really
the first time where I kind of
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00:19:58,852 --> 00:20:01,200
sat back and thought,
you know,
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00:20:01,303 --> 00:20:04,410
could they possibly have,
you know, dismembered this guy?
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00:20:07,516 --> 00:20:11,071
I was afraid if Kelly
ever found out
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00:20:11,175 --> 00:20:13,177
that I was the one
who missed Christopher,
346
00:20:13,281 --> 00:20:15,662
that I was the one that
reported him missing,
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00:20:15,766 --> 00:20:18,286
I was afraid her husband
might come looking for me.
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00:20:22,911 --> 00:20:26,328
I spent 26 years
with the Michigan State Police
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as a Detective Sergeant.
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00:20:28,227 --> 00:20:31,195
Ten of those years were
spent in Detroit
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00:20:31,299 --> 00:20:35,682
and investigating major crimes
in the state of Michigan--
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00:20:35,786 --> 00:20:37,960
bank robberies, bombings,
murders,
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00:20:38,064 --> 00:20:40,653
multi-victim murders, homicides.
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00:20:40,756 --> 00:20:42,310
I live a couple of hours away,
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00:20:42,413 --> 00:20:44,346
and I'd heard that
a person was missing.
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00:20:44,450 --> 00:20:48,005
And after, you know, it
wasn't resolved right away,
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00:20:48,108 --> 00:20:49,869
I reached out
to Chief Frizzo to see
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if she needed any assistance.
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00:20:52,112 --> 00:20:54,218
He gives me his
whole background,
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00:20:54,322 --> 00:20:57,290
tells me what he does, tells
me how he wants to help me
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00:20:57,394 --> 00:21:00,638
at no cost to me, which
was huge because, you know,
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00:21:00,742 --> 00:21:03,538
we're--we don't have a lot
of finances in our department.
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00:21:03,641 --> 00:21:05,609
And I'll take all
the help I can get.
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00:21:07,473 --> 00:21:09,544
And I became
like a foot soldier for her,
365
00:21:09,647 --> 00:21:11,753
doing what
she needed to get done
366
00:21:11,856 --> 00:21:15,032
that maybe she couldn't
put someone else on
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00:21:15,135 --> 00:21:17,345
because they were busy.
368
00:21:17,448 --> 00:21:19,899
Just to make sure, you know,
we didn't miss anything
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00:21:20,002 --> 00:21:21,797
that down the way would
be pivotal
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00:21:21,901 --> 00:21:23,661
on breaking this case open.
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00:21:23,765 --> 00:21:26,215
We searched all over
Iron River
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00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:28,045
and surrounding the county,
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00:21:28,148 --> 00:21:30,012
just all kinds of areas.
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00:21:30,116 --> 00:21:33,464
We brought in K-9s and stuff
searching in body dump sites,
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00:21:33,568 --> 00:21:35,155
seeing if we could
find something.
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00:21:51,482 --> 00:21:54,865
At that point, you know,
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00:21:54,968 --> 00:21:56,487
we're just kind of
at a standstill.
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00:21:58,109 --> 00:22:00,664
And I get a call
from a detective in Indiana
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00:22:00,767 --> 00:22:03,667
who tells me that
Jason Cochran is dead.
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00:22:06,048 --> 00:22:08,119
I'm thinking,
I know exactly what happened.
381
00:22:08,223 --> 00:22:09,535
I'm sure of it.
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00:22:29,934 --> 00:22:33,800
So there was a phone call
on February 20th.
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00:22:35,802 --> 00:22:39,599
Kelly contacted me to say that
Jason had died that night.
384
00:22:39,703 --> 00:22:43,465
And immediately
my wife told me,
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00:22:43,569 --> 00:22:45,053
well, she did it.
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00:22:47,331 --> 00:22:51,749
So I contacted the FBI,
and I said I knew
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00:22:51,853 --> 00:22:53,441
Jason and Kelly very good.
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00:22:53,544 --> 00:22:56,927
And they had told me that
they were being looked at
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00:22:57,030 --> 00:22:59,274
for this person missing.
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00:22:59,378 --> 00:23:01,276
They have not told me
anything about the fact
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00:23:01,380 --> 00:23:03,658
that they did it
or anything like that.
392
00:23:03,761 --> 00:23:07,696
But I feel--
my wife really feels
393
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,285
that I needed to let you know
394
00:23:10,389 --> 00:23:11,907
that one of them died
on Saturday.
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00:23:16,084 --> 00:23:19,052
I start the normal line
of questioning with her,
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00:23:19,156 --> 00:23:21,365
and I go through
everything with her,
397
00:23:21,469 --> 00:23:24,023
and we're probably
20 minutes into the interview.
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00:23:24,126 --> 00:23:26,508
And so I told her,
I said, look,
399
00:23:26,612 --> 00:23:29,338
I said, you know, when
I was in the driveway,
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00:23:29,442 --> 00:23:32,756
you asked me if I was there
to interview you
401
00:23:32,859 --> 00:23:34,309
about anything else.
402
00:23:34,413 --> 00:23:36,242
And I said, I really wouldn't
be a good detective
403
00:23:36,345 --> 00:23:38,658
unless I found out
what that other thing was.
404
00:23:38,762 --> 00:23:43,870
And she kind of smiled
and she said...
405
00:23:43,974 --> 00:23:46,563
"If you want me
to respect you at all,
406
00:23:46,666 --> 00:23:48,668
you'll just say it like it is."
407
00:23:48,772 --> 00:23:50,049
And I said, "Okay."
408
00:23:50,152 --> 00:23:52,569
And I said,
409
00:23:52,672 --> 00:23:55,710
"You know exactly
what happened to Chris Regan."
410
00:23:55,813 --> 00:23:57,470
And I said, by the time
this is all done,
411
00:23:57,574 --> 00:23:58,747
you're going to tell me.
412
00:24:19,630 --> 00:24:22,357
This was a
flirtatious woman who was
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00:24:22,461 --> 00:24:26,257
used to getting her way
with men however she wanted,
414
00:24:26,361 --> 00:24:29,847
and that she used them
in whichever way she wanted.
415
00:24:35,197 --> 00:24:36,854
It was like a game to her.
416
00:24:36,958 --> 00:24:41,376
And I think that she really
viewed it that way very much.
417
00:24:55,632 --> 00:24:57,426
I just kept telling her,
418
00:24:57,530 --> 00:24:59,463
I want to bring
Chris Regan home.
419
00:24:59,567 --> 00:25:01,154
I'm not going away.
420
00:25:01,258 --> 00:25:04,917
He served his country
for 20 years in the Navy.
421
00:25:05,020 --> 00:25:07,851
It was important that somebody
go the extra steps
422
00:25:07,954 --> 00:25:12,407
for somebody who had always
gone and done the right thing
423
00:25:12,511 --> 00:25:14,754
for our country.
424
00:25:14,858 --> 00:25:17,757
She knew that I was
closing in on her.
425
00:25:19,863 --> 00:25:23,660
Now we have to figure out,
with one remaining person,
426
00:25:23,763 --> 00:25:25,662
how do you get
that one remaining person
427
00:25:25,765 --> 00:25:27,111
in the conspiracy,
428
00:25:27,215 --> 00:25:28,699
where the other one's
already dead,
429
00:25:28,803 --> 00:25:31,253
to tell you what happened
to the man that's been missing
430
00:25:31,357 --> 00:25:32,738
for the last 18 months.
431
00:25:37,121 --> 00:25:42,610
I had jotted down
in my notes this idea
432
00:25:42,713 --> 00:25:45,820
of creating a fictitious letter
433
00:25:45,923 --> 00:25:49,271
that Jason Cochran had made up
prior to his death
434
00:25:49,375 --> 00:25:51,446
in the event of his death.
435
00:25:53,759 --> 00:25:57,866
I was also throwing around
the idea of Walt Ammerman
436
00:25:57,970 --> 00:26:00,628
presenting this idea
on my behalf.
437
00:26:00,731 --> 00:26:02,871
He said, I have an idea,
438
00:26:02,975 --> 00:26:05,702
and I want you to call her
on a recorded call
439
00:26:05,805 --> 00:26:10,569
and--and I'd like you
to tell her
440
00:26:10,672 --> 00:26:15,574
that Jason mailed you
a letter a while back and--
441
00:26:15,677 --> 00:26:18,093
and wanted you to hold
on to it in case something
442
00:26:18,197 --> 00:26:19,405
ever happened to him.
443
00:26:19,508 --> 00:26:22,684
And I was very apprehensive.
444
00:26:25,066 --> 00:26:27,516
I didn't really think
she was going to believe it.
445
00:26:27,620 --> 00:26:29,691
Honestly,
my first thought was,
446
00:26:29,795 --> 00:26:31,382
this is never going to work.
447
00:26:31,486 --> 00:26:33,246
You know, she is too smart.
448
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:35,076
She knows everyone's
looking at her
449
00:26:35,179 --> 00:26:37,734
closely right now, especially
with her husband dying.
450
00:26:37,837 --> 00:26:39,908
There is no way she's
going to fall for this.
451
00:26:40,012 --> 00:26:44,154
It was something
along the lines of,
452
00:26:44,257 --> 00:26:48,572
you know, if in the event
something occurs to me,
453
00:26:48,676 --> 00:26:51,264
if I were to die, please
forward this letter
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00:26:51,368 --> 00:26:54,820
to the Iron River
Police Department.
455
00:26:56,269 --> 00:26:58,202
And I signed it
"Jason" or whatever.
456
00:26:58,306 --> 00:27:01,827
And he said, okay, well,
we have to make some changes.
457
00:27:01,930 --> 00:27:04,001
And I said, okay, well,
what do we need to change?
458
00:27:04,105 --> 00:27:06,141
And he said, well, he would
never sign Jason to me.
459
00:27:06,245 --> 00:27:08,178
He would sign, Quack Quack.
460
00:27:08,281 --> 00:27:10,905
He goes, that's what he
always called himself to me.
461
00:27:11,008 --> 00:27:14,149
I said, okay,
so we make it Quack Quack.
462
00:27:14,253 --> 00:27:16,151
And he goes,
okay, let's do it.
463
00:27:16,255 --> 00:27:18,533
I felt like I was really
sticking my neck out,
464
00:27:18,637 --> 00:27:21,501
but I think somebody had to.
465
00:27:23,020 --> 00:27:26,575
When there's a person,
or possibly people,
466
00:27:26,679 --> 00:27:30,131
that are that evil,
somebody has got to stop them.
467
00:27:32,271 --> 00:27:34,273
Walt's sitting in the truck,
and he's shaking.
468
00:27:34,376 --> 00:27:36,862
And he's--he's like, Jeremy,
I don't know, you know?
469
00:27:36,965 --> 00:27:39,381
And I said, Walt, be yourself.
470
00:27:39,485 --> 00:27:41,073
Take a breath.
471
00:27:41,176 --> 00:27:44,248
You know, your friend's dead.
472
00:27:44,352 --> 00:27:45,698
He was your friend.
473
00:27:45,802 --> 00:27:47,424
No matter what he did,
he was your friend,
474
00:27:47,527 --> 00:27:49,495
and that's the way
I want you to think of him.
475
00:27:49,598 --> 00:27:53,016
And he got on that phone,
and it was incredible.
476
00:27:56,571 --> 00:27:59,954
The note says, if something
were to happen to me,
477
00:28:00,057 --> 00:28:02,819
please send this
in a few weeks,
478
00:28:02,922 --> 00:28:07,720
and there's an envelope in
there with no return address,
479
00:28:07,824 --> 00:28:10,205
to the Iron River
Police Department.
480
00:28:10,309 --> 00:28:12,000
I was listening.
481
00:28:12,104 --> 00:28:16,246
And there's this huge gasp
for air by her.
482
00:28:16,349 --> 00:28:18,904
And at that moment,
I'm like, okay, okay.
483
00:28:19,007 --> 00:28:21,872
Hang on, hang on.
What's coming next?
484
00:28:21,976 --> 00:28:23,771
It's like I'm supposed
to mail this,
485
00:28:23,874 --> 00:28:25,738
but I just wanted to tell you.
486
00:28:25,842 --> 00:28:29,431
Please don't.
487
00:28:29,535 --> 00:28:32,227
Her sigh and her cry
and her "please don't"
488
00:28:32,331 --> 00:28:34,574
are three things
I'll never forget.
489
00:28:34,678 --> 00:28:36,680
Please don't.
490
00:28:36,784 --> 00:28:42,237
And for those 30 seconds,
it was like I--
491
00:28:42,341 --> 00:28:44,723
I had the biggest fish
of a lifetime on,
492
00:28:44,826 --> 00:28:48,347
because I knew that she
had taken it all the way.
493
00:28:51,937 --> 00:28:53,628
When she said "please don't,"
494
00:28:53,732 --> 00:28:56,148
I knew that she was
responsible for both deaths.
495
00:28:56,251 --> 00:28:59,185
If there was any doubt
in my mind
496
00:28:59,289 --> 00:29:01,256
that she didn't have
something to do with it,
497
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,879
it was all erased
at that moment.
498
00:29:05,467 --> 00:29:07,815
She did not see that coming.
499
00:29:07,918 --> 00:29:10,783
She saw no way that we would
be working together
500
00:29:10,887 --> 00:29:13,027
to--to trick her.
501
00:29:13,130 --> 00:29:15,063
I think Jeremy won that game.
502
00:29:25,142 --> 00:29:26,661
I'm getting texts
from Kelly,
503
00:29:26,765 --> 00:29:28,180
"I have to talk to you
right now."
504
00:29:28,283 --> 00:29:31,700
And so I text her back
and said, where are you?
505
00:29:31,804 --> 00:29:33,564
I'll meet you.
506
00:29:33,668 --> 00:29:35,049
When we went into
the restaurant,
507
00:29:35,152 --> 00:29:37,948
we sat down at a table,
and we started talking.
508
00:29:38,052 --> 00:29:41,469
I said, I would think
that if there's a letter
509
00:29:41,572 --> 00:29:44,058
that your husband wrote
in the event
510
00:29:44,161 --> 00:29:45,887
that something happened to him,
511
00:29:45,991 --> 00:29:47,578
that this is something
that you would want
512
00:29:47,682 --> 00:29:49,097
to get out in front of.
513
00:29:49,201 --> 00:29:51,928
You need to tell
your side of the story.
514
00:29:52,031 --> 00:29:55,897
She looked at me and she said,
Jason shot him in the head.
515
00:29:57,726 --> 00:29:59,142
Immediately I told her,
516
00:29:59,245 --> 00:30:00,799
you're coming to
the police station with me.
517
00:30:38,629 --> 00:30:41,011
She plays the victim in
the whole thing, basically,
518
00:30:41,115 --> 00:30:42,771
as though she's forced
to do it.
519
00:30:42,875 --> 00:30:45,740
She says, you know, that
Chris Regan came to the house.
520
00:30:47,776 --> 00:30:49,675
She claims that Jason
magically appeared
521
00:30:49,778 --> 00:30:51,297
in the basement with a rifle
522
00:30:51,401 --> 00:30:52,643
and shot him in the back
of the head.
523
00:30:54,197 --> 00:30:56,682
She says she had no idea
that Jason was waiting
524
00:30:56,785 --> 00:30:58,097
in the basement to kill him.
525
00:30:59,996 --> 00:31:03,516
The chemistry between her
and I changed at that point,
526
00:31:03,620 --> 00:31:06,657
and she reveals
something else.
527
00:31:06,761 --> 00:31:11,731
She says that, you know,
her and her husband
528
00:31:11,835 --> 00:31:14,424
entered into this pact
on their marriage night.
529
00:31:15,597 --> 00:31:18,980
Kelly's story is they agreed
on their wedding night
530
00:31:19,084 --> 00:31:20,948
that if either
of them ever cheated,
531
00:31:21,051 --> 00:31:22,535
they got to kill that person.
532
00:31:24,606 --> 00:31:27,092
I tell her,
so that would mean
533
00:31:27,195 --> 00:31:31,061
that you were responsible
to kill Chris Regan?
534
00:31:33,408 --> 00:31:38,310
Ultimately, she tells me
that, you know,
535
00:31:38,413 --> 00:31:41,796
Jason cut up Chris Regan
and disposed of his body
536
00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:45,041
and that he was
put in trash bags,
537
00:31:45,144 --> 00:31:49,424
and that she drove him out
to areas where, you know,
538
00:31:49,528 --> 00:31:51,254
they dumped the body.
539
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:08,340
So we go out on this,
you know, field trip,
540
00:32:08,443 --> 00:32:10,963
and she's going to show us
different locations, you know,
541
00:32:11,067 --> 00:32:13,517
where they put his body.
542
00:32:16,244 --> 00:32:18,695
I ultimately took
Kelly back into the house
543
00:32:18,798 --> 00:32:21,560
so she could tell us,
you know, how things happened,
544
00:32:21,663 --> 00:32:23,044
kind of being there in person
545
00:32:23,148 --> 00:32:24,839
and pointing
different things out.
546
00:32:34,607 --> 00:32:37,886
We were out in this,
you know, wide--
547
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:41,476
widely wooded area,
and she shows us an area
548
00:32:41,580 --> 00:32:43,616
and tells us, you know,
it's here.
549
00:32:54,765 --> 00:32:59,184
So that would be when
we found Chris Regan's skull.
550
00:33:01,565 --> 00:33:03,464
I stood there looking,
551
00:33:03,567 --> 00:33:06,812
and I had worked
so long and so hard
552
00:33:06,915 --> 00:33:09,608
that I just stood there and I,
like, literally just--
553
00:33:09,711 --> 00:33:11,817
I started to cry.
554
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,303
And I just kind of knelt down,
and I got right down
555
00:33:15,407 --> 00:33:17,167
on the ground, and I just
looked right at his--
556
00:33:17,271 --> 00:33:19,031
you know, at him.
557
00:33:19,135 --> 00:33:23,277
And I just kept thinking
in my head that, you know,
558
00:33:23,380 --> 00:33:26,832
I finally found him,
and I thought I never would.
559
00:33:26,935 --> 00:33:30,801
And I didn't care about
anything else at that point
560
00:33:30,905 --> 00:33:34,840
except being able to let
his family, you know,
561
00:33:34,943 --> 00:33:39,465
have closure and know that
we have an answer for them.
562
00:33:40,639 --> 00:33:43,538
Indescribable moment of...
563
00:33:46,334 --> 00:33:48,095
A long journey.
564
00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:02,350
You can see there's
more markings,
565
00:34:02,454 --> 00:34:05,457
flags over here where they've
done searching.
566
00:34:07,286 --> 00:34:12,015
Kelly said that they buried
the bags in different areas.
567
00:34:16,192 --> 00:34:20,127
So the gate to come in
is to the right.
568
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:24,165
And they found the skull
about 100 feet in,
569
00:34:24,269 --> 00:34:26,685
right here in the field.
570
00:34:26,788 --> 00:34:30,585
There's a roadway,
there's a small gate,
571
00:34:30,689 --> 00:34:32,173
and that's where they parked.
572
00:34:32,277 --> 00:34:34,624
And then they hauled his
remains into the woods
573
00:34:34,727 --> 00:34:36,108
and buried them.
574
00:34:36,212 --> 00:34:38,973
But I get kind of--
575
00:34:39,077 --> 00:34:41,079
yeah, gets teary.
576
00:34:42,770 --> 00:34:45,013
When they found the skull,
I felt as though
577
00:34:45,117 --> 00:34:47,223
someone had ripped
out my heart,
578
00:34:47,326 --> 00:34:51,744
and that the nightmare
that I was living through,
579
00:34:51,848 --> 00:34:55,645
it just all came
crashing down on me.
580
00:34:55,748 --> 00:34:58,717
But that was--it was the key
turning point in the case.
581
00:35:18,875 --> 00:35:21,602
The state police had
done a lot of work,
582
00:35:21,705 --> 00:35:23,500
and the chief--Chief Frizzo
had done a lot of work
583
00:35:23,604 --> 00:35:25,502
on connecting up
with search warrants
584
00:35:25,606 --> 00:35:29,368
all of the digital evidence,
like smartphones
585
00:35:29,472 --> 00:35:31,957
and desktop computers.
586
00:35:32,060 --> 00:35:35,857
And what I did is took
a second look at all of those.
587
00:35:35,961 --> 00:35:37,928
You gotta check
everything out.
588
00:35:38,032 --> 00:35:40,483
You know, it's a needle
in a haystack kind of thing.
589
00:35:40,586 --> 00:35:42,623
I mean,
there's tens of thousands
590
00:35:42,726 --> 00:35:45,212
of images and files on these--
591
00:35:45,315 --> 00:35:47,662
like just on one computer.
592
00:35:47,766 --> 00:35:52,184
And in the end, we ended up
finding a satellite image
593
00:35:52,288 --> 00:35:54,807
that zoomed right in
several times,
594
00:35:54,911 --> 00:35:58,846
focused in on the Caspian Pit,
595
00:35:58,949 --> 00:36:03,333
on a specific piece of
the bank of the Caspian Pit.
596
00:36:03,437 --> 00:36:06,923
And that was relatively near
the Cochrans' house.
597
00:36:07,026 --> 00:36:10,168
And it ended up that's
where the rifle was found.
598
00:36:12,066 --> 00:36:14,102
And that was huge.
599
00:36:15,242 --> 00:36:19,556
The key part of that was
it showed premeditation,
600
00:36:19,660 --> 00:36:21,593
because the data
in the Google image
601
00:36:21,696 --> 00:36:23,250
was prior to the date that--
602
00:36:23,353 --> 00:36:24,837
I mean, Chris was still
alive when they were
603
00:36:24,941 --> 00:36:26,218
looking at this Google image.
604
00:36:26,322 --> 00:36:28,600
So, you know,
the prosecutor was able
605
00:36:28,703 --> 00:36:31,982
to use that as, you know,
premeditation, some planning.
606
00:36:43,856 --> 00:36:46,894
There really was
no smoking gun here.
607
00:36:46,997 --> 00:36:48,447
There really was no evidence.
608
00:36:48,551 --> 00:36:50,208
There was some
circumstantial evidence.
609
00:36:50,311 --> 00:36:53,383
The house was clean
from any DNA in the basement
610
00:36:53,487 --> 00:36:55,696
or anywhere else in the house.
611
00:36:55,799 --> 00:36:58,906
Cadaver dogs were in there
and they found no evidence.
612
00:36:59,009 --> 00:37:01,667
So again, there was
no real evidence
613
00:37:01,771 --> 00:37:03,911
that any version of the story
that Kelly was telling
614
00:37:04,014 --> 00:37:05,464
was true.
615
00:37:23,379 --> 00:37:27,555
Finally, she went to trial
for Christopher's murder.
616
00:37:27,659 --> 00:37:29,626
They brought her in.
617
00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:33,492
The thing I'll never forget
is her smirk.
618
00:37:33,596 --> 00:37:36,184
She just showed no emotion.
619
00:37:38,014 --> 00:37:39,671
The version that
620
00:37:39,774 --> 00:37:42,363
Kelly put forth
during her testimony was,
621
00:37:42,467 --> 00:37:45,263
on the 14th of October,
Mr. Regan came over
622
00:37:45,366 --> 00:37:46,885
to Kelly's home.
623
00:37:46,988 --> 00:37:49,543
They were engaged
in intimate conduct.
624
00:37:49,646 --> 00:37:51,993
While doing so,
out of nowhere,
625
00:37:52,097 --> 00:37:54,133
a shot came from the basement.
626
00:37:54,237 --> 00:37:56,653
Kelly's husband that was
in the basement with a gun
627
00:37:56,757 --> 00:37:57,930
had fired a shot...
628
00:37:59,829 --> 00:38:02,901
Which wounded Mr. Regan
in the back of the head.
629
00:38:03,004 --> 00:38:06,249
Kelly and Mr. Regan then
toppled down the stairs.
630
00:38:06,353 --> 00:38:09,183
Kelly was momentarily
knocked unconscious,
631
00:38:09,287 --> 00:38:13,291
came to,
and saw that her husband was
632
00:38:13,394 --> 00:38:15,879
in the process
of dismembering Mr. Regan.
633
00:38:18,399 --> 00:38:20,781
And she had no idea it
was going to happen.
634
00:38:20,884 --> 00:38:24,750
That she was basically engaged
with her lover,
635
00:38:24,854 --> 00:38:28,858
and then her husband,
on his own volition,
636
00:38:28,961 --> 00:38:30,584
assassinated that individual.
637
00:38:34,484 --> 00:38:37,867
The hardest part, I think,
was when they brought
638
00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:40,870
his skull out as evidence.
639
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:46,047
Just listening
to how things went down--
640
00:38:46,151 --> 00:38:49,327
luring him into their house--
641
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:52,985
it was, in my mind,
642
00:38:53,089 --> 00:38:56,161
how could somebody
be so ruthless?
643
00:38:56,264 --> 00:39:00,096
You know, the first time I
saw Kelly was in the courtroom.
644
00:39:01,891 --> 00:39:04,203
And she was sitting there
just grinning.
645
00:39:04,307 --> 00:39:06,861
She had this big grin
on her face.
646
00:39:06,965 --> 00:39:11,383
And I honestly felt like
I was looking at the devil.
647
00:39:11,487 --> 00:39:15,318
I could feel her eyes
piercing through me.
648
00:39:15,422 --> 00:39:17,216
And that was scary.
649
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:18,701
She's the devil.
650
00:39:18,804 --> 00:39:20,944
I mean, truly,
you could see it in her.
651
00:39:21,048 --> 00:39:23,568
Was it absolutely
a horrifying experience,
652
00:39:23,671 --> 00:39:25,846
watching your husband
murder your lover
653
00:39:25,949 --> 00:39:27,710
right in front of your eyes?
654
00:39:27,813 --> 00:39:30,713
Watching him cut
him up was horrifying.
655
00:39:30,816 --> 00:39:33,267
That's something
I'll never get out of my head.
656
00:39:33,371 --> 00:39:35,718
As we went to trial,
I was most focused
657
00:39:35,821 --> 00:39:38,203
on the lack of any evidence,
any forensic evidence.
658
00:39:38,306 --> 00:39:40,378
Now, there was speculation,
659
00:39:40,481 --> 00:39:42,380
and it very well
could have been,
660
00:39:42,483 --> 00:39:44,623
that Kelly did
an excellent job of cleaning up
661
00:39:44,727 --> 00:39:47,592
a basement and disposing
of any signs
662
00:39:47,695 --> 00:39:49,628
of Mr. Regan being
in that home.
663
00:39:49,732 --> 00:39:51,803
Certainly something
that we had to address was
664
00:39:51,906 --> 00:39:54,357
the fact that Kelly had
some forensic training.
665
00:39:54,461 --> 00:39:58,396
Certainly not something
that she was licensed in
666
00:39:58,499 --> 00:40:01,468
or did as a profession,
but it raised some eyebrows,
667
00:40:01,571 --> 00:40:02,986
I'm sure, for the jurors,
668
00:40:03,090 --> 00:40:06,093
and did help bolster
the prosecution's point
669
00:40:06,196 --> 00:40:07,991
as to why there would
be no forensic evidence
670
00:40:08,095 --> 00:40:09,579
found in the home.
671
00:40:09,683 --> 00:40:12,513
We had to figure out
if it was premeditated.
672
00:40:12,617 --> 00:40:14,308
Was it him?
673
00:40:15,516 --> 00:40:17,863
Did he make her do this?
674
00:40:17,967 --> 00:40:19,486
I mean, she did have
a big play in it,
675
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:24,214
but it was hard to fathom
which way do you go.
676
00:40:24,318 --> 00:40:25,595
It was tough.
677
00:40:25,699 --> 00:40:27,079
It was tough.
678
00:40:30,876 --> 00:40:34,155
Kelly was found guilty
on all counts,
679
00:40:34,259 --> 00:40:37,849
and, you know, was sentenced
to life in prison.
680
00:40:39,989 --> 00:40:42,785
We all made the decision
that it was premeditated,
681
00:40:42,888 --> 00:40:45,995
and she did get
life in prison with no parole.
682
00:40:46,098 --> 00:40:47,548
It wasn't just Jason.
683
00:40:47,652 --> 00:40:49,619
It was both of them.
684
00:40:49,723 --> 00:40:52,898
And she was probably
the mastermind.
685
00:40:55,004 --> 00:40:57,696
She's going away for life.
686
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,837
But...
687
00:41:00,941 --> 00:41:03,771
I wanted her to hurt
more than that.
688
00:41:03,875 --> 00:41:06,222
I also wanted Jason in jail.
689
00:41:06,325 --> 00:41:08,707
I thought he got off easy.
690
00:41:08,811 --> 00:41:12,228
He went to sleep,
and he never woke up.
691
00:41:13,678 --> 00:41:18,061
But I'm glad Kelly can't
hurt anyone else.
692
00:41:18,165 --> 00:41:23,619
The one thing that helps
bring a little peace
693
00:41:23,722 --> 00:41:26,104
is that Kelly can't put
694
00:41:26,207 --> 00:41:27,864
anyone else through
what I went through.
695
00:41:42,085 --> 00:41:46,883
At that point, she talks to
us about killing her husband.
696
00:41:48,229 --> 00:41:51,888
She looked at me and she said,
"You know, I suffocated him."
697
00:41:54,270 --> 00:41:58,136
I put my hands over
his mouth and his nose,
698
00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:59,965
and he was confused.
699
00:42:00,069 --> 00:42:02,796
I could tell he was looking
at me and he was confused.
700
00:42:02,899 --> 00:42:06,247
He didn't understand why
I was doing what I was doing.
701
00:42:06,351 --> 00:42:10,562
I said, but it was
important for you
702
00:42:10,666 --> 00:42:14,083
that he knew that you were
the one taking his life
703
00:42:14,186 --> 00:42:17,742
and that you were
the one killing him.
704
00:42:17,845 --> 00:42:19,537
And she said yes.
705
00:42:23,161 --> 00:42:26,336
Her story is,
she sat on Jason's chest
706
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,615
and held her hands
over his nose and mouth
707
00:42:28,718 --> 00:42:31,583
as he was trying to throw up
from the heroin overdose
708
00:42:31,687 --> 00:42:33,689
that she gave him.
709
00:42:33,792 --> 00:42:38,935
And she wanted him to see her
710
00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:41,869
and know that she did that,
I think.
711
00:42:41,973 --> 00:42:45,977
And I can't wrap
my head around that.
712
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,427
I don't think
any normal person can.
713
00:42:52,811 --> 00:42:54,537
I think he wanted out.
714
00:42:54,641 --> 00:42:58,990
I think he wanted to end
what they were doing in life.
715
00:42:59,093 --> 00:43:02,096
And she wasn't going
to let that happen.
716
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:03,960
And she didn't let that happen.
717
00:43:05,375 --> 00:43:08,102
I mean, she's definitely
made it very apparent
718
00:43:08,206 --> 00:43:09,828
that there's other victims.
719
00:43:09,932 --> 00:43:12,451
She has sent Jeremy and I
a letter playing a game,
720
00:43:12,555 --> 00:43:13,936
you know, just kind of
wants to start
721
00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:15,282
the cat and mouse thing again,
722
00:43:15,385 --> 00:43:17,629
taking responsibility
for a homicide
723
00:43:17,733 --> 00:43:19,942
that we can't name.
724
00:43:20,045 --> 00:43:24,222
She wants to talk, and I think
eventually she will.
725
00:43:30,642 --> 00:43:34,819
Coming here makes me
feel closer to Christopher.
726
00:43:34,922 --> 00:43:37,097
He's here somewhere.
727
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,030
The rest of him, he's here.
728
00:43:47,245 --> 00:43:49,557
He'll always be in my heart.
729
00:43:49,661 --> 00:43:53,285
He just was such
a wonderful person.
730
00:43:53,389 --> 00:43:57,289
And Christopher didn't
deserve this.
731
00:43:57,393 --> 00:43:59,084
No one does.
732
00:44:03,330 --> 00:44:05,125
Police say this
surveillance video shows
733
00:44:05,228 --> 00:44:06,851
a cunning killer on the prowl.
734
00:44:06,954 --> 00:44:08,404
She's calm.
735
00:44:08,507 --> 00:44:10,233
She has the appearance
of a grandmother.
736
00:44:10,337 --> 00:44:13,581
The U.S. Marshals Service
today posted a $5,000 reward
737
00:44:13,685 --> 00:44:16,067
for information
about a fugitive grandmother.
738
00:44:16,170 --> 00:44:18,207
Here we have
the grandma killer.
739
00:44:18,310 --> 00:44:20,036
She had a gambling problem,
740
00:44:20,140 --> 00:44:21,624
and things spiraled out
of control.
741
00:44:23,212 --> 00:44:24,523
U.S. Marshals are
actively involved
742
00:44:24,627 --> 00:44:27,078
in a national search for
this dangerous fugitive.
743
00:44:27,181 --> 00:44:28,873
It is surprising
to see somebody
744
00:44:28,976 --> 00:44:30,771
immediately go off
on a gambling jaunt
745
00:44:30,875 --> 00:44:32,462
after they've
killed two people.
746
00:44:32,566 --> 00:44:34,119
Is she looking
for another person
747
00:44:34,223 --> 00:44:36,363
to befriend, the next victim?
748
00:44:36,466 --> 00:44:39,262
My fear, who is this suspect?
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00:44:39,366 --> 00:44:41,299
Do we have a serial killer
on our hands?
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