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Thanks for tuning in today.I'm Niala Boodhoo,
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and my guest is Jacob Malco.
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He's the creator of three graphic novels.
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His newest, Obscurity, is just out.
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Jacob, when you look at what happened
between your first book, Conjugality,
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being such a success,
being made into a movie,
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following that up with Infidelity,
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and the actual infidelity
that happened in your life,
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I wonder how you feel like
that affected your work.
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Yeah, the love story of Conjugality
was... was compelling and sweet,
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and it... and it was real.
It was a real thing.
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And meeting somebody else...
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I don't know how that happens,
but it happens to a lot of people,
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I'm not unusual in that,
and the infidelity was what it was,
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but I did honor that love.
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Yeah, I left my first wife,
and I went with somebody else,
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but that's, you know, that happens,
you know, so--
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Well, I think it happens.
I think most people don't write about it,
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so I wonder... And you're talking about
how it affected people.
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Do you talk to your first wife
or how did she feel about it?
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-I don't talk to either of them.
-So--
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I don't... you know, I don't have kids,
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so I think that makes it easier
not to talk to them.
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It's not really my choice.
Yeah, obviously, you know, the, uh...
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the first wife don't want to have
anything to do with me,
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and, uh, the second one,
I don't know, you know.
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So no feedback on how they've been
portrayed in your works?
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Yeah, there's been feedback.
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Uh... it's a price you pay,
you know, I mean...
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I write about myself.
I don't know, really, how else to do it.
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My life is really the... where...
the source of my...
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my creativity and what happens
in my life, so...
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it's had effect on people in my life,
it does,
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and, uh, I mean, I can take responsibility
to a certain degree,
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but, uh, I...
I guess they, you know...
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Well, they certainly know
goin' in now...
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whoever might...
might choose to do that.
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Well, and that's what, Jacob, I mean,
that brings us to Obscurity and...
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I mean, you have to ask...
I have to ask about the title.
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I mean, is that, you think, a reflection
of where you're at right now?
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Well, you know, you...
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At some point when you're an artist
of any kind, you know,
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you want to be relevant,
so when you feel that slipping away...
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it's a little... sad.
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and it's a little... frustrating,
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and also scary, you know.
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So... so, I don't know...
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You know, I don't...
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What was the question again?
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Hi.
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-Hey, Angie, what's happenin'?
-Hi, Jacob.
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- You look pretty.
- Thank you.
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Have you ever, uh,
been to this place before?
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Nope. Have you?
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Yeah, I love this place.
They have, uh, good pizza,
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they make a really good, um, salad.
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I don't remember what it's called.
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Do you want to take your coat off
and stay a while,
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-or what are we--
-No, I don't think so.
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I don't...
I think I'm okay with my coat on.
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Oh, no.
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-What happened? What's happening?
-I read the... I read the comic.
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The new book.
You read my book.
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-I read your book. Yes.
-Okay.
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And how was that? Did you like it?
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Of course, I'm, you know, I...
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Just so you know,
I would prefer that I wasn't involved
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in any future work of yours.
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-Okay. I--
-Does that seem fair to you?
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No, I understand what you're saying.
I don't... I don't know if it's fair,
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if that's the word, but like...
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It's kind of...
It's a little negotiable at this point.
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It's negotiable.
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-I don't have to use you--
-Great.
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Just wait. Just hear me out.
I don't have to use your real name.
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Oh. Yeah, I just don't--
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-How bad is that?
-I don't think that's--
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Right?
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I... I think this is it.
I think this is it.
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I think... I think I need to go.
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Okay.
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-I need to go.
-All right.
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-Good luck with your comics.
-Thank you.
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-Good luck.
-Yes. Have a good thing.
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Hey.
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- Hi.
- Is she coming back?
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I don't think she is coming back.
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It's okay.
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Would you like a menu?
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Yeah, I'm hungry.
Just... You can just set it down.
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-I'll look at it in a second.
-Okay. I'll be right back.
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-Thank you so much.
-Mmm-hmm.
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-Hey, handsome.
-Hi.
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-Hi.
-How's it goin'?
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-It's going good.
-I was lost there.
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Mmm-hmm.
Want anything else?
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Um, no, I think I'm good.
I'm just gonna drink coffee.
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All right, let me know
if you need anything.
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-All right. Okay, thanks.
-Okay.
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How many peopleare in there, man?
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It's not full, but, um, the people
that are here are here to see you,
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-just so you know. I mean--
-God, I don't get it, man, I don't get it.
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Really?
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The book just came out. I mean,
I used to be able to fill the auditorium.
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I don't get it.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I know that, like, okay,
it's been, like, a long time
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since I put somethin' out
and now I got nobody? I got nobody?
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Well, it's not nobody.
There's... there's people here.
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There's... I think there's just not...
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It's not, as I say, not filled.
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-Did you read the book?
-I did, I loved it.
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Did you read what The Reader
said about the book?
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- Forget the--
- Did you read it?
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-I did.
-Did you see?
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What is... Who is that guy?
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-Who is that guy? Do you--
-Doesn't matter.
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-Have you read that guy?
-Here's what you should--
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When did...
Let me just ask you a question.
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When did snark just take over cultural...
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-I mean, who... What are they, 12?
-I don't know.
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-Yeah, they're children. I don't--
-I'm sorry, man.
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I don't know when that happened,
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but also... And don't be mad
at the people who are here
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because you're mad at the ones
who didn't show up.
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Just remember that. It's not their fault
the other people aren't here.
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That's good advice but I don't know
what's gonna happen.
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Is there someplace
where I can take my coat off?
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-Sure. You can go in my office.
-Where is that?
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Um...
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just take it downstairs and--
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I have to take an elevator?
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You don't have to.
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"Keen observations and bold poignancy fill
Mr. Malco's most recent novel Obscurity,"
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which just came out this week.
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"It's also been said Mr. Malco is a writer
who knows how to keep his readers rapt
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by recounting episodes of his life
with such specific immediacy
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and vivid emotional recall
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that we experience his distress
as our own."
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Quite a compliment. Uh... "Critics
and readers alike both adore and--"
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You know what, Dave, listen.
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Dave, Dave, Dave, you know what?
Let's just...
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"Often in the same paragraph."
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No,
let's just scrap the formality.
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I mean, come on.
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Uh, hi. Thank you for coming.
Ivan, what's up, buddy?
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Justin. Is that Spencer?
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Jacob Malco.
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Why don't we just, um...
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hang out, go somewhere and hang out.
I'll answer questions, I'll talk.
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I just... The lack of irony
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between this event
and the title of my new book is just
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too much for me to handle right now.
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Right.
So, uh, can we do that?
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More importantly, is, um...
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can we just do that,
'cause it's like...
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Two questions.
If we do that, can I still get paid,
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and can we just do that?
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Dave? Can we just go to a...
It would be fun, right?
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And I guess we could open this up to, uh,
after the bottles are done,
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we could open it to question and answer.
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Really?
Are we really gonna do like the--
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-Have to do a little something.
-All right, I have a question.
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Yes, young lady up front.
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-What's... What's your name?
-Uh, Alison.
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Hi, Alison.
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Yeah, nice to meet you, um, Jacob?
Can I call you...
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-Or is that too informal?
-Jacob. Jake is fine.
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-Yeah, no, no, no. Uh, it's fine.
-I want to stay to the structure.
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- Yeah. No.
- Okay.
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- Jake is good. Yeah.
- Okay, cool.
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Um, I mean, your first book
is so romantic and...
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Yeah.
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-Look how that turned out.
-...like, positive. I mean...
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-Yeah.
-...was that an honest...
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-you know--
-Yeah. I mean...
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The question was about the first book
being romantic and positive.
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- I'm a romantic, yeah.
- Did you... I...
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Yeah, we can hear.
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-All right.
-Yeah. Okay.
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I just... I'm trying
to honor the format, Dave.
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All right.
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Can't a guy... All right.
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I don't know...
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Yeah, it was honest, but, you know, I...
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You know,
was I being honest with myself?
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I think there's an argument to say no,
because the second book,
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I ended up meeting somebody else
so was that love real?
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Was that romance real? It was.
Did it ultimately sustain? No.
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So, yeah, it was a happy story that...
from a period of my life
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that, uh, you know, didn't,
uh, didn't remain.
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But, yeah, I think it was honest.
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And is, um, is Melanie
in your third book?
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Is she in Obscurity or...
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She's not even in my phone.
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- Ah. Thank you.
- No problem.
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- Great. Alexandra, right?
- Mmm-hmm.
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So, uh, I am, uh, officially tired
of, uh, talking about myself.
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Well, that took a while.
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Oh, very clever.
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-No, I enjoyed it all.
-Uh-huh. Oh, yeah.
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- That's very nice of you.
- That's why I'm here.
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You guys,
you're all in graduate school,
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you're in the graduate program
over there?
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- Yeah, yeah.
- You're artists, right?
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-Mmm-hmm.
-And you do, you do...
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You're a photographer?
You're photographers.
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I do video, motion.
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Okay, so you do... you take pictures
of yourself with your phones?
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Yeah. Yeah, I'm a...
I use a selfie stick and, um, a phone.
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- Last call, all right?
- We're doin' it?
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- Are you sure?
- We're all doin' it.
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- We're all doin' it.
- It's already last call?
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- Four shots.
- Last call. Four shots?
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- Yeah. He's payin'.
- What can I get you?
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-Really?
-Yeah, we got it.
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- Okay.
- This guy's gettin' it.
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Four shots? Oh, my God.
He's on the one.
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No whiskey? All right, pick.
What's it gonna be?
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-Tequila. It's always tequila.
-Tequila.
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Tequila shots? Patron?
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- Oh, no.
- Yes, thank you.
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- You got it.
- To Obscurity.
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The book. Not... not real. I...
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- Oh, all right.
- Here we go.
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Oh.
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Hey, Jake,
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do you mind if I use your charger?
For my phone, right here?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, do...
What is... Is it the right kind?
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I feel like my phone's old.
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Thank God you guys came to that thing.
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Right?
233
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Thank you. A toast to you
for showing up at that thing,
234
00:10:15,281 --> 00:10:17,451
- that could have been fuckin' tragic.
- Hmm.
235
00:10:17,534 --> 00:10:19,244
Thank you for, uh,
going through with it.
236
00:10:19,327 --> 00:10:20,497
Yeah. Can you imagine if I was
237
00:10:20,578 --> 00:10:22,078
just sitting there talking
with those dudes--
238
00:10:22,163 --> 00:10:23,793
- Oh, my God.
- There it is.
239
00:10:23,873 --> 00:10:26,213
I think, like, uh, those are
the only few copies available. Uh...
240
00:10:26,292 --> 00:10:27,292
Can we have?
241
00:10:27,377 --> 00:10:28,377
- That's it.
- Can we...
242
00:10:28,461 --> 00:10:30,761
- That's the whole...
- Yes, you can... Yeah, sure, you...
243
00:10:30,839 --> 00:10:33,169
- Hey, it looks beautiful.
- Thank you so much. Mmm-hmm.
244
00:10:33,258 --> 00:10:35,258
You watch things broken down
by movements, right?
245
00:10:35,343 --> 00:10:37,853
Like what we were just talking about,
that's how they break them down.
246
00:10:37,929 --> 00:10:39,469
-Fine.
-Well, we are part of a movement.
247
00:10:39,556 --> 00:10:40,766
What's the movement called?
248
00:10:40,849 --> 00:10:42,849
I mean, it's whatever
you want to call it, but it's...
249
00:10:42,934 --> 00:10:44,774
That doesn't sound like
an organized movement to me.
250
00:10:44,853 --> 00:10:45,943
Doesn't have to be organized.
251
00:10:46,062 --> 00:10:47,522
- Okay, fine.
- Yeah, a lot of movements
252
00:10:47,605 --> 00:10:49,355
haven't been organized.
This isn't political.
253
00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,650
-Alexandra?
-Dra.
254
00:10:51,734 --> 00:10:53,904
You're much more
close-minded than I expected.
255
00:10:53,987 --> 00:10:56,987
I thought we would bond over some
of our... our ideas.
256
00:10:57,073 --> 00:10:59,163
Okay, self-portraiture
is different than selfie art.
257
00:10:59,242 --> 00:11:00,742
No, it's not.
258
00:11:00,827 --> 00:11:02,617
This is probably
half of my next book.
259
00:11:03,830 --> 00:11:04,910
- See?
- Is that too much?
260
00:11:04,998 --> 00:11:06,788
You take everything from your life.
261
00:11:06,875 --> 00:11:09,125
Exactly. So you got a problem with that?
262
00:11:09,210 --> 00:11:11,710
-You got a problem with being in the...
-No, we do the exact same thing
263
00:11:11,796 --> 00:11:13,456
-but you, um--
-But what if you were gonna be in the book
264
00:11:13,548 --> 00:11:15,508
and I don't represent you
the way you like?
265
00:11:15,592 --> 00:11:17,142
That's fine by me.
266
00:11:17,218 --> 00:11:18,758
-Really?
-Yeah.
267
00:11:18,845 --> 00:11:20,505
Do you want to spend
the rest of your life with me?
268
00:11:20,597 --> 00:11:22,137
-Maybe.
-Really?
269
00:11:22,223 --> 00:11:23,683
We'll see.
270
00:11:23,766 --> 00:11:26,476
Karen was sweet, I don't,
what am I gonna do to Melanie, probably?
271
00:11:26,561 --> 00:11:28,351
Lots of people
are friends with their exes.
272
00:11:28,438 --> 00:11:31,108
Yeah, that's a generational
thing. I think sometimes--
273
00:11:31,190 --> 00:11:33,570
- I still have sex with my ex.
- Am I in your art?
274
00:11:33,651 --> 00:11:34,821
- Yeah.
- Oh.
275
00:11:35,862 --> 00:11:37,532
But that doesn't seem
very provocative.
276
00:11:37,614 --> 00:11:39,824
Oh, fuck off.
You haven't seen it yet.
277
00:11:41,159 --> 00:11:43,159
I'm not... Okay. Let's do it.
278
00:11:43,244 --> 00:11:44,704
I have a flier
because we printed them.
279
00:11:44,787 --> 00:11:46,457
- Oh. Great.
- Daniel Sinks, different forms.
280
00:11:46,539 --> 00:11:47,539
It's called "Green Light."
281
00:11:47,624 --> 00:11:49,134
Are you gonna look at us
and tell us you're coming?
282
00:11:49,208 --> 00:11:50,248
You gonna tell us?
283
00:11:50,335 --> 00:11:51,745
-You gonna promise?
-I'm coming to the show.
284
00:11:51,836 --> 00:11:53,126
-Okay.
-I'm coming to the show.
285
00:11:53,212 --> 00:11:54,262
-Okay.
-All right.
286
00:11:54,339 --> 00:11:55,629
- Man of your word.
- All right.
287
00:11:55,715 --> 00:11:56,835
-All right, thanks again.
-Yeah, see you later.
288
00:11:56,925 --> 00:11:57,965
- It's a pleasure.
- Okay.
289
00:11:58,051 --> 00:12:00,051
Wait. What about...
Wait, are you gonna wait for her?
290
00:12:00,136 --> 00:12:01,136
-Out there?
-Oh.
291
00:12:01,220 --> 00:12:02,350
No, she'll come meet us at home soon.
292
00:12:02,430 --> 00:12:03,560
- Yeah, she's good.
- Really?
293
00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,180
Yeah, she's good.
She's having a nice time.
294
00:12:06,267 --> 00:12:07,727
-Okay.
-We're tired. We got up early.
295
00:12:07,810 --> 00:12:09,230
- Yeah.
- All right.
296
00:12:09,312 --> 00:12:11,482
- Bye. Goodnight.
- Goodnight. Just slam the door.
297
00:12:11,564 --> 00:12:14,404
All right. We will.
298
00:12:29,332 --> 00:12:31,082
- Hey.
- Hi.
299
00:12:32,043 --> 00:12:34,383
Uh, your friends took off.
300
00:12:34,462 --> 00:12:36,012
I know.
301
00:12:39,592 --> 00:12:41,262
What?
302
00:12:44,263 --> 00:12:45,723
No?
303
00:12:55,191 --> 00:12:56,361
Okay.
304
00:12:58,027 --> 00:12:59,067
Yeah?
305
00:14:11,142 --> 00:14:12,312
Hello?
306
00:14:16,898 --> 00:14:18,188
Alison?
307
00:14:30,453 --> 00:14:31,453
- Hello?
- Fuck...
308
00:14:34,415 --> 00:14:37,665
Dude, open the door, I'm freezin'!
309
00:14:37,752 --> 00:14:40,672
My God.
310
00:14:45,176 --> 00:14:46,716
Hello.
311
00:14:46,803 --> 00:14:48,303
- Jonesy.
- Oh, my God.
312
00:14:48,388 --> 00:14:50,008
This guy just walked
right into me. Right in--
313
00:14:50,098 --> 00:14:51,308
Jonesy.
314
00:14:51,391 --> 00:14:53,021
Uh, first... and then...
315
00:14:53,101 --> 00:14:54,481
Help me.
316
00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,810
-I don't think I--
-I did. I brought coffee.
317
00:14:56,938 --> 00:14:59,688
Oh. Back up. I already made some.
318
00:14:59,774 --> 00:15:02,364
Oh, my God, I don't think I can move.
319
00:15:02,443 --> 00:15:04,153
I don't think we're going to brunch.
320
00:15:04,237 --> 00:15:06,357
-That's good. Yeah. Look in the fridge.
-Mmm-hmm.
321
00:15:06,447 --> 00:15:07,817
There's probably plenty in there.
322
00:15:07,907 --> 00:15:08,907
I've got a little thing.
323
00:15:09,659 --> 00:15:11,079
What?
324
00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,410
I, um... I'm not gonna say
325
00:15:14,497 --> 00:15:16,667
-that, like, I'm in love or anything.
-Hmm.
326
00:15:16,749 --> 00:15:19,459
I just... I'm not gonna...
327
00:15:19,544 --> 00:15:21,634
I don't have to tell you about it.
328
00:15:21,712 --> 00:15:25,092
No, you don't.
Can we talk about something else?
329
00:15:25,174 --> 00:15:28,014
The one liked me because she likes
my autobiographical work.
330
00:15:28,094 --> 00:15:29,894
She likes that I do work about myself.
331
00:15:29,971 --> 00:15:32,311
-She likes that you're famous. Go on.
-But she's also--
332
00:15:32,390 --> 00:15:34,270
No, she loves that you're famous.
Go on.
333
00:15:34,350 --> 00:15:36,980
She sees herself
as an autobiographical artist.
334
00:15:37,061 --> 00:15:39,311
And so she's connecting with me.
I understand the famous...
335
00:15:39,397 --> 00:15:40,977
-I'm not that famous.
-Oh, you're both... you're both...
336
00:15:41,065 --> 00:15:43,225
-Okay. Oh, okay. Yeah.
-Yeah. Memoirists or whatever, we--
337
00:15:43,317 --> 00:15:45,487
But how old is she?
338
00:15:45,570 --> 00:15:47,490
- And I'm not judging, I know--
- Twenty-four.
339
00:15:47,572 --> 00:15:50,622
Yeah, good for you.
And really beautiful, right?
340
00:15:50,700 --> 00:15:52,160
-Your hair looks good.
-No, but it's, like, really--
341
00:15:52,243 --> 00:15:53,413
- Really--
- Your hair looks good.
342
00:15:53,494 --> 00:15:55,544
-You're just letting it be, right?
-I don't... Can we...
343
00:15:55,621 --> 00:15:59,211
Honestly, you're doing
a monologue at all times.
344
00:15:59,292 --> 00:16:02,712
And then every once in a while...
345
00:16:02,795 --> 00:16:06,465
do you just...
See, now you're listening.
346
00:16:06,549 --> 00:16:09,389
But, like, I could say
nice things to you, like,
347
00:16:09,469 --> 00:16:12,679
"Do you know how green your eyes are?
Is it the shirt?
348
00:16:12,763 --> 00:16:14,143
What's happenin'?"
349
00:16:14,223 --> 00:16:16,603
"Last night, I met
this sexy young selfie artist,
350
00:16:16,684 --> 00:16:20,444
and I'm psyched because maybe
I'm gonna fuck her brains out."
351
00:16:20,563 --> 00:16:22,733
You know?
Like, did you already do that?
352
00:16:22,815 --> 00:16:24,105
Yeah.
353
00:16:24,192 --> 00:16:26,652
-Was it good? Was it good?
-I did it.
354
00:16:26,736 --> 00:16:27,896
-I'm pretty sure it was good.
-Okay.
355
00:16:27,987 --> 00:16:30,737
- I was like... I worked. Hard.
- But it's--
356
00:16:30,823 --> 00:16:31,823
All right!
357
00:16:31,908 --> 00:16:36,248
I mean, I really do think we should,
uh, just consider...
358
00:16:36,329 --> 00:16:38,039
We could adopt a kid.
359
00:16:38,122 --> 00:16:41,042
But we don't have to be
romantically involved, maybe.
360
00:16:41,125 --> 00:16:43,205
-Well, how about--
-And I'm not saying I know that will work,
361
00:16:43,294 --> 00:16:46,174
I'm just saying we wonder about that.
362
00:16:46,255 --> 00:16:50,375
Okay, how about you adopt a kid and
you call me and you're like, "It's here."
363
00:16:50,468 --> 00:16:52,348
"Come over and see it."
364
00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:15,280
Here you go, Jacob.
365
00:17:15,368 --> 00:17:17,328
-Black, just the way you like it.
-Yeah. Thank you.
366
00:17:17,411 --> 00:17:19,541
I think I should probably just
live here at some point.
367
00:17:19,622 --> 00:17:21,422
- Right?
- You're more than welcome.
368
00:17:21,499 --> 00:17:23,289
Nah. Thank you.
369
00:17:29,173 --> 00:17:30,683
- Yay!
- Holy shit!
370
00:17:30,758 --> 00:17:32,088
-When did it get cold?
-Right. It's freezing.
371
00:17:32,176 --> 00:17:34,346
-Is this it? I lost the invitation.
-Yes. Come. Come on!
372
00:17:34,428 --> 00:17:36,848
I had to look at my text that I sent you.
All right. Let's go.
373
00:18:10,339 --> 00:18:11,839
Do you want a beer?
I'm gonna go get soda.
374
00:18:11,924 --> 00:18:13,384
-No, no. I don't
-Okay. I'll be back.
375
00:18:16,095 --> 00:18:18,055
- Hey, man.
- I'm a really big fan.
376
00:18:18,139 --> 00:18:20,019
I just started reading Obscurity.
I'm such a fan of your work.
377
00:18:20,099 --> 00:18:21,889
-Thanks. I appreciate that.
-Thanks for everything you do.
378
00:18:21,976 --> 00:18:23,846
- That's great. Thank you.
- Jacob. Jacob.
379
00:18:23,936 --> 00:18:26,556
Over here. You gotta see these.
380
00:18:26,647 --> 00:18:28,267
-Yeah?
-Yeah, they're amazing.
381
00:18:28,357 --> 00:18:29,937
Oh, that's her.
382
00:18:30,026 --> 00:18:31,776
Like, I love, like, this whole--
383
00:18:31,861 --> 00:18:34,031
Yeah.
384
00:18:34,113 --> 00:18:35,873
Men's underpants.
They're probably that guy's.
385
00:18:35,948 --> 00:18:37,988
-Looks great. Look at her.
-That's not a man.
386
00:18:38,075 --> 00:18:39,575
It's incredible, the thing...
387
00:18:39,660 --> 00:18:41,910
-But this one's my favorite.
-Okay. Oh, shit!
388
00:18:41,996 --> 00:18:43,036
What the fuck?
389
00:18:43,122 --> 00:18:44,712
It's my favorite one.
390
00:18:44,790 --> 00:18:45,920
That's my ass.
391
00:18:46,542 --> 00:18:47,922
-That's me.
-I know. That's the side of...
392
00:18:48,002 --> 00:18:50,092
-It's your flank. But--
-God damn it, what is she doing?
393
00:18:50,171 --> 00:18:52,091
-Why did she do that?
-Stop, don't. Honestly, it's beautiful.
394
00:18:52,173 --> 00:18:53,473
No, but it's not right.
I want it taken down.
395
00:18:53,549 --> 00:18:54,839
No, but just put your...
put your arms down.
396
00:18:54,925 --> 00:18:56,215
-What?
-Hi, Jacob, how are ya?
397
00:18:56,302 --> 00:18:57,472
-Oh, hey.
-Hi, Dave. You know Dave.
398
00:18:57,553 --> 00:18:58,603
Oh, no, we've met. Yeah, hi.
399
00:18:58,679 --> 00:19:00,059
-Right. How are ya? It's...
-Oh, Annabelle Jones.
400
00:19:00,139 --> 00:19:01,519
I want that taken down, I think.
401
00:19:01,599 --> 00:19:04,349
It's not up to me, this is part
of the department's. This is--
402
00:19:04,435 --> 00:19:06,345
Okay, I'm gonna go get a beer.
I'll see you guys.
403
00:19:06,437 --> 00:19:07,607
This is a student
of the department.
404
00:19:07,688 --> 00:19:08,768
I know. I know who she is.
405
00:19:08,856 --> 00:19:10,566
-You were a guest of the department.
-I mean-- Yeah, yeah.
406
00:19:10,650 --> 00:19:13,110
-This is bad for the department.
-I got other problems, man.
407
00:19:13,194 --> 00:19:15,284
I threw you a bone
and this is how you repay...
408
00:19:15,363 --> 00:19:16,703
I'm up for tenure, do you understand?
409
00:19:16,781 --> 00:19:18,411
Look, I didn't... You didn't fuck her,
I fucked her.
410
00:19:18,491 --> 00:19:21,161
She's not gonna fuck your tenure up.
It's my ass on the wall.
411
00:19:21,243 --> 00:19:22,663
What do you think...
She's a grownup.
412
00:19:22,745 --> 00:19:24,205
What is she, you think
she's gonna call her daddy?
413
00:19:24,288 --> 00:19:25,618
-What are you, her daddy?
-This has become
414
00:19:25,706 --> 00:19:27,246
my problem,
there's evidence that you did...
415
00:19:27,333 --> 00:19:28,333
Dude, dude, dude.
416
00:19:28,417 --> 00:19:29,587
-Don't call me "dude."
-What the fuck?
417
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:31,629
- You're a fuckin' cartoon.
- Wait. Oh, really?
418
00:19:31,712 --> 00:19:34,472
What are you, Professor?
Fucking loser. What is she--
419
00:19:34,548 --> 00:19:35,968
-Jake! Jake.
-Hi.
420
00:19:36,050 --> 00:19:37,590
Hi, how are you?
421
00:19:37,677 --> 00:19:39,637
I'm fine, but what is...
what is that?
422
00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,220
I didn't know you were
taking that. You can't just--
423
00:19:42,306 --> 00:19:43,516
I just wanted
to say congratulations.
424
00:19:43,599 --> 00:19:44,599
-Hi. Oh.
-I'm Annabelle.
425
00:19:44,684 --> 00:19:45,694
- Alison. Nice to meet you.
- Okay.
426
00:19:45,768 --> 00:19:47,648
Annabelle Jones.
Beautiful work. Congratulations.
427
00:19:47,728 --> 00:19:48,938
Annie, can I talk to her
for a second?
428
00:19:49,063 --> 00:19:51,573
-Well, I... She's having a show.
-Can I talk to her for a second?
429
00:19:51,649 --> 00:19:52,979
-Can I talk to her for a second?
-And I wanted to...
430
00:19:53,067 --> 00:19:55,237
Sure. Knock yourself out.
431
00:19:56,404 --> 00:19:59,244
That's not right.
You can't just put my...
432
00:19:59,323 --> 00:20:01,163
It's like date rape.
It's like a roofie picture.
433
00:20:01,242 --> 00:20:02,242
It's like date rape?
434
00:20:02,326 --> 00:20:04,746
- It is kind of, isn't it?
- So, I guess you don't like the work?
435
00:20:04,829 --> 00:20:05,959
Calm down.
436
00:20:06,038 --> 00:20:07,868
I'm not gonna calm down.
Like, my ass is hanging out.
437
00:20:07,957 --> 00:20:09,207
You didn't ask me if that...
438
00:20:09,291 --> 00:20:11,671
That's my house, you were in there,
I was sleeping.
439
00:20:11,752 --> 00:20:13,092
I didn't know you were
taking that picture.
440
00:20:13,170 --> 00:20:15,210
-That's just rude. What does it mean?
-Let me ask you a question.
441
00:20:15,297 --> 00:20:16,297
Did you draw me?
442
00:20:16,382 --> 00:20:17,632
-Yeah, I drew you.
-Oh.
443
00:20:17,717 --> 00:20:18,757
-But I didn't put it up.
-Did you ask me?
444
00:20:18,843 --> 00:20:20,433
I didn't tweet it,
I didn't put it on what, I...
445
00:20:20,511 --> 00:20:22,721
-Did you ask me permission?
-No, but I didn't do anything with it.
446
00:20:22,805 --> 00:20:24,305
So, it might end up in a book, right?
447
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:25,890
-Yeah, but it's gonna end up--
-Maybe 12 years later,
448
00:20:25,975 --> 00:20:27,305
-but eventually.
-That's not the point.
449
00:20:27,393 --> 00:20:28,443
What does that mean?
There's no story to that.
450
00:20:28,519 --> 00:20:30,859
That's just sort of like, "Look,
I fucked this guy and he's sleeping."
451
00:20:30,938 --> 00:20:31,978
There's completely story,
this is my life.
452
00:20:32,064 --> 00:20:35,194
Look at this... that old guy.
No, no, I mean, how many are there?
453
00:20:35,276 --> 00:20:36,356
You have a whole phone
full of this shit?
454
00:20:36,444 --> 00:20:37,454
Are you trying to slut shame me now?
455
00:20:37,528 --> 00:20:39,738
No, I'm not trying to slut shame you.
Why didn't you return my text?
456
00:20:39,822 --> 00:20:42,992
- My privacy is public.
- Yeah, but mine isn't.
457
00:20:43,075 --> 00:20:44,785
Uh, I don't think that's true.
458
00:20:44,869 --> 00:20:46,539
-What do you--
-I think privacy is dead,
459
00:20:46,620 --> 00:20:48,000
and you were one of
the first people to do that.
460
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,500
No. Oh, well, that's very flattering,
but, you know,
461
00:20:50,583 --> 00:20:52,883
I think that's not
the same fuckin' thing.
462
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,500
Is that my privacy, when I...
What are you doing, Andrew?
463
00:20:55,588 --> 00:20:56,758
- Keep the passion.
- Is this your art?
464
00:20:56,839 --> 00:20:58,469
- Keep the passion. I love it.
- Is this your art?
465
00:20:58,549 --> 00:21:00,089
Keep the passion?
Are you out of your fucking mind?
466
00:21:00,176 --> 00:21:01,466
Okay, why don't you just
calm down for a second?
467
00:21:01,552 --> 00:21:02,892
Why don't you go live a real life?
468
00:21:02,970 --> 00:21:03,970
-There it is.
-What is... what is that?
469
00:21:04,054 --> 00:21:06,144
I know what
you're gonna do with that.
470
00:21:06,223 --> 00:21:07,223
What is that, click bait?
471
00:21:07,308 --> 00:21:08,348
-Oh, my God.
-Is that... is that what you...
472
00:21:08,434 --> 00:21:09,444
-This is what you do?
-Don't touch the work.
473
00:21:09,518 --> 00:21:12,018
Is it about the clicks?
Is that what determines your art?
474
00:21:12,104 --> 00:21:14,154
-Why don't you get a fuckin' job?
-This is my job.
475
00:21:14,231 --> 00:21:17,191
Really? Is it? How's that going?
You makin' a livin'? Where's the...
476
00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:18,356
Listen.
477
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,740
What is this shit?
What are you, fucking zombies?
478
00:21:22,907 --> 00:21:24,577
Is this funny to you?
479
00:21:24,658 --> 00:21:27,788
You know what's really ironic is that
none of you have a point of view,
480
00:21:27,870 --> 00:21:29,580
but it's all the same
fuckin' point of view.
481
00:21:29,663 --> 00:21:31,173
There's no depth to what you're doing.
482
00:21:31,248 --> 00:21:33,418
You're as deep as your arm's length
to your fucking camera.
483
00:21:33,501 --> 00:21:34,501
Jacob, why don't you calm down?
484
00:21:34,585 --> 00:21:35,585
This is ridiculous.
These are like the...
485
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:36,669
I know what you're gonna do with it.
486
00:21:36,754 --> 00:21:37,964
So what, I'm gonna be on
487
00:21:38,047 --> 00:21:39,257
-the Internet tomorrow?-Okay, ta-da!
488
00:21:39,340 --> 00:21:41,840
This means nothing,and it's gonna last forever.
489
00:21:41,926 --> 00:21:43,136
- Congratulations.
490
00:21:45,262 --> 00:21:48,722
No depth to it. Just wait a second.Here's how deep you are.
491
00:21:48,808 --> 00:21:51,728
Here's to your camera,to your fucking dumb head.
492
00:21:51,811 --> 00:21:53,441
-God damn it.
-When you're not taking selfies,
493
00:21:53,521 --> 00:21:55,561
you're feeding off someonewho's having a real life.
494
00:21:56,732 --> 00:21:58,862
-Anyway, great. Ta-da!-Good night.
495
00:22:00,653 --> 00:22:01,863
Whether there's three people,
496
00:22:01,946 --> 00:22:04,616
there could be 300, 30 people,
it doesn't matter.
497
00:22:04,698 --> 00:22:05,868
-Ah, I just can't.
-Just talk...
498
00:22:05,950 --> 00:22:07,030
Just say what you want to say.
499
00:22:07,117 --> 00:22:08,787
No, I'm not gonna...
I... There's like...
500
00:22:08,869 --> 00:22:11,539
If there's, like, three people,
I don't...
501
00:22:12,164 --> 00:22:14,504
Hey, Mr. Malco.
It's gonna be about five minutes.
502
00:22:14,583 --> 00:22:15,583
-Can I get you--
-Five... Hey.
503
00:22:15,668 --> 00:22:17,498
If there's, like,
three people out there,
504
00:22:17,586 --> 00:22:20,256
can I just sign books
and maybe talk to them individually,
505
00:22:20,339 --> 00:22:21,839
and just leave?
506
00:22:21,924 --> 00:22:23,384
Uh, no, it's... We're full.
507
00:22:23,467 --> 00:22:26,007
Um, we had to borrow some chairs
from next door, actually.
508
00:22:26,095 --> 00:22:29,305
That's hilarious. I'm serious, though,
if there's, like, five people...
509
00:22:30,641 --> 00:22:33,731
Uh, seriously, there's, like,
50 or 60 people out there.
510
00:22:34,895 --> 00:22:35,895
-Really?
-Thank you, Mike.
511
00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:37,230
-So, yeah, it's a good turnout.
-Mike, right?
512
00:22:37,314 --> 00:22:38,864
-Yeah, I'm Mike.
-Annabelle. Thanks, Mike.
513
00:22:38,941 --> 00:22:40,321
-Hey. Yeah, sure.
-Yeah, there are 50 people.
514
00:22:40,401 --> 00:22:43,321
-Thanks. Thank you.
-Mmm-hmm. You need anything? I'm...
515
00:22:43,404 --> 00:22:45,664
- No, thanks.
- Not right now.
516
00:22:45,739 --> 00:22:46,739
-Okay.
-Thanks.
517
00:22:46,824 --> 00:22:48,414
-Mmm-hmm.
-Fifty.
518
00:22:48,492 --> 00:22:50,292
- I just...
- Good evening, everybody.
519
00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:53,579
I'd like to thank everyone for coming out
to our winter reading series.
520
00:22:53,664 --> 00:22:56,584
Uh, it's nice to see
such a great turnout.
521
00:22:56,667 --> 00:22:59,377
We have a very special guest tonight,
uh, Jacob Malco.
522
00:22:59,461 --> 00:23:02,171
He's a local Chicago graphic novelist.
523
00:23:02,256 --> 00:23:05,006
Uh, he's gonna be reading
from his new book, Obscurity.
524
00:23:05,092 --> 00:23:06,972
So let's give him a warm welcome.
525
00:23:11,515 --> 00:23:12,805
Thanks, Mike.
526
00:23:13,726 --> 00:23:15,596
Hi. How's everyone doin'?
527
00:23:15,686 --> 00:23:17,146
Good.
528
00:23:17,229 --> 00:23:19,979
I'm, uh, Jacob Malco, and, uh...
529
00:23:20,899 --> 00:23:22,439
I don't... I don't want to just read.
530
00:23:22,526 --> 00:23:24,856
I have a... I have a feeling
that some of you are here...
531
00:23:24,945 --> 00:23:29,525
Most of you are probably not here
'cause you even know who I am, right?
532
00:23:29,617 --> 00:23:32,237
I'm just, uh, the angry guy
from the video, right?
533
00:23:32,328 --> 00:23:34,158
How many people saw the video?
534
00:23:35,789 --> 00:23:37,459
Wow. Great.
535
00:23:38,375 --> 00:23:40,745
Well, I write graphic novels,
536
00:23:40,836 --> 00:23:42,626
but we don't have to
talk about that right now,
537
00:23:42,713 --> 00:23:45,303
'cause I feel like
you're expecting something else.
538
00:23:45,382 --> 00:23:46,432
And, um...
539
00:23:47,343 --> 00:23:48,393
let's just address that.
540
00:23:49,928 --> 00:23:51,638
Do you have any questions?
541
00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:54,599
What's up?
542
00:23:55,142 --> 00:23:57,942
Do you really think my generation's
just a bunch of vapid idiots?
543
00:23:58,062 --> 00:23:59,022
No, I mean, that was said in anger.
544
00:23:59,104 --> 00:24:01,574
Look, I watched that thing,
I'm not proud of it, but I had...
545
00:24:01,649 --> 00:24:05,399
I think I was trying to
make a point about, uh...
546
00:24:05,486 --> 00:24:08,026
I was personally upset
about some art work,
547
00:24:08,113 --> 00:24:11,373
and then I turned around
and there's 20, 30 people with iPhones
548
00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:13,870
taking essentially the same...
549
00:24:13,952 --> 00:24:15,332
piece of footage.
550
00:24:15,412 --> 00:24:17,252
If you were to look at that
in that moment,
551
00:24:17,331 --> 00:24:18,831
just turn around and spontaneously
552
00:24:18,916 --> 00:24:22,336
20 people with iPhones taping you,
that's pretty vapid.
553
00:24:22,419 --> 00:24:24,799
So, maybe it was just a reaction to that.
554
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,220
Yes?
555
00:24:26,298 --> 00:24:30,388
Uh, I'm curious if the artist
who you slut shamed in the video
556
00:24:30,469 --> 00:24:32,929
has had any response to the tirade?
557
00:24:34,181 --> 00:24:36,351
No.
558
00:24:36,433 --> 00:24:37,983
But she's here.
559
00:24:39,144 --> 00:24:40,734
Alison is here.
You want to come up and,
560
00:24:40,813 --> 00:24:44,863
you know, and address the...
You want to make a comment?
561
00:24:44,942 --> 00:24:46,192
Are you inviting me?
562
00:24:46,276 --> 00:24:47,986
Yes, I'm inviting you.
563
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:50,320
-Okay.
-Please come up and let's try to...
564
00:24:50,406 --> 00:24:52,566
Hey.
565
00:24:55,035 --> 00:24:56,445
Hi, guys.
566
00:24:56,537 --> 00:24:57,827
Um...
567
00:24:57,913 --> 00:25:02,793
So to give some context for the video,
um, we were at my grad show,
568
00:25:02,876 --> 00:25:08,086
um, I make work
that's not dissimilar to Jacob's.
569
00:25:08,173 --> 00:25:12,223
Um... I use myself
and my personal life
570
00:25:12,302 --> 00:25:16,222
and as a narrative and, um...
to bring up important ideas.
571
00:25:16,306 --> 00:25:21,686
Um, he uses a pen and paper
and I use a selfie stick and an iPhone.
572
00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:23,730
Right,
but I mean, he... Here's the...
573
00:25:23,814 --> 00:25:26,324
here's the other context, is that...
574
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,030
we had, um,
575
00:25:29,111 --> 00:25:31,491
we had slept with each other
and I was asleep.
576
00:25:31,947 --> 00:25:33,197
- I was asleep and--
- See, like,
577
00:25:33,282 --> 00:25:34,702
that's really personal,
and you didn't ask me
578
00:25:34,783 --> 00:25:36,373
if you could share that
with everyone, so...
579
00:25:36,452 --> 00:25:37,752
Yeah, but I'm...
This is not the art,
580
00:25:37,828 --> 00:25:39,578
I mean, I'm trying to get
the proper...
581
00:25:39,663 --> 00:25:40,663
What was the problem--
582
00:25:40,748 --> 00:25:42,168
Well, you know,
it was jarring, you know.
583
00:25:42,249 --> 00:25:44,039
-I'm going to see this... Like, we--
-Right, but even now,
584
00:25:44,126 --> 00:25:45,836
you know, we're standing
in front of all these people
585
00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:48,009
-and you're not jarred...
-Like, I feel a little disrespected.
586
00:25:48,088 --> 00:25:49,588
A little blindsided.
587
00:25:56,263 --> 00:25:57,473
All right.
588
00:25:59,558 --> 00:26:01,598
That was fun.
589
00:26:01,685 --> 00:26:03,765
You know, it was.
590
00:26:03,854 --> 00:26:07,444
It was... it was really fun.
I thought it was engaging.
591
00:26:07,524 --> 00:26:09,824
I think it was...
We're a good team.
592
00:26:09,902 --> 00:26:11,072
Cheers to that.
593
00:26:11,153 --> 00:26:12,493
Yeah.
594
00:26:12,571 --> 00:26:16,411
Yeah, no, it was, uh... That was...
that was amazing. That was great.
595
00:26:16,492 --> 00:26:18,952
That was a book signing
that turned into, like,
596
00:26:19,036 --> 00:26:21,656
one of the best discussions I've had...
597
00:26:21,747 --> 00:26:22,747
-in the last two years.
-It--
598
00:26:22,831 --> 00:26:24,001
And I'm in grad school, so...
599
00:26:24,082 --> 00:26:25,212
You know what I mean?
600
00:26:25,292 --> 00:26:26,462
-That's not nothin'.
-I, uh...
601
00:26:26,543 --> 00:26:28,053
-Well, or maybe it says something...
-Oh, my God.
602
00:26:28,128 --> 00:26:29,918
-...about grad school, but...
-Let me just say this, though,
603
00:26:30,005 --> 00:26:31,005
uh, 'cause I don't want to forget.
604
00:26:31,089 --> 00:26:32,969
The... I, um...
605
00:26:34,301 --> 00:26:35,931
I am sorry...
606
00:26:36,011 --> 00:26:37,601
-Oh.
-...about...
607
00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:38,719
I didn't expect that.
608
00:26:38,806 --> 00:26:42,426
...about, you know,
making a scene at your big night.
609
00:26:42,518 --> 00:26:44,728
-And... I like the work.
-Honestly, I have to tell you--
610
00:26:44,812 --> 00:26:46,522
-Listen to me. I like the work.
-Okay, okay. I'm sorry.
611
00:26:46,605 --> 00:26:48,015
I like the work.
612
00:26:48,106 --> 00:26:49,106
You know, I was just...
613
00:26:49,191 --> 00:26:51,901
I think it was more of a personal issue.
614
00:26:51,985 --> 00:26:53,105
As it turns out.
615
00:26:53,195 --> 00:26:56,025
I'm... you know,
I'm stubborn, but I'm an open-minded guy.
616
00:26:56,114 --> 00:26:58,914
And... and I think that really
what it was about was...
617
00:27:00,077 --> 00:27:01,247
Well, let me say something first
618
00:27:01,328 --> 00:27:02,498
-to that point.
-All right, all right.
619
00:27:02,579 --> 00:27:05,039
Honestly, like, that is what I would...
620
00:27:05,123 --> 00:27:08,173
I couldn't have imagined...
Like, I could have paid someone
621
00:27:08,252 --> 00:27:12,422
to come in and do and say
what you said as a performance art piece.
622
00:27:12,506 --> 00:27:14,626
- I mean, this has, like, been--
- Well, it is now.
623
00:27:14,716 --> 00:27:18,426
Like, who has a grad show
and then gets a viral video out of it
624
00:27:18,512 --> 00:27:20,682
and then a great book signing
and, like, all this conversation.
625
00:27:20,764 --> 00:27:21,774
-I don't know.
-All right. All right.
626
00:27:21,849 --> 00:27:22,849
So I'm just saying, like...
627
00:27:22,933 --> 00:27:25,103
Art and life, right?
No... no difference, right?
628
00:27:25,185 --> 00:27:26,685
-Yeah.
-Oh, my God.
629
00:27:26,770 --> 00:27:28,770
Hey. Hey!
630
00:27:28,856 --> 00:27:30,516
-What?
-Cheers.
631
00:27:31,608 --> 00:27:34,528
Oh, this is the greatest horrible thing
to ever happened to me.
632
00:27:36,154 --> 00:27:37,284
So, uh, before we go,
633
00:27:37,364 --> 00:27:38,914
I know you've gotta go,
634
00:27:38,991 --> 00:27:42,121
um, but I want to just ask you
one more question that might be weird.
635
00:27:42,202 --> 00:27:44,792
So, happy to turn this off or not,
you know.
636
00:27:44,872 --> 00:27:47,752
And I... I don't wanna, again,
embarrass you here, but the...
637
00:27:47,833 --> 00:27:51,003
I have to ask you about this,
the... the video.
638
00:27:51,086 --> 00:27:52,496
-You can turn that on.
-Are you sure?
639
00:27:52,588 --> 00:27:53,758
-Mmm-hmm.
-Okay. 'Cause it...
640
00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:56,629
All right, but I'm not trying to get you
or anything like that, I'm not gonna--
641
00:27:56,717 --> 00:27:57,967
-On the record.
-So you, yeah...
642
00:27:58,051 --> 00:28:00,431
Yeah, the video was,
you know, embarrassing.
643
00:28:00,512 --> 00:28:02,062
-Uh-huh.
-And when I first watched it,
644
00:28:02,139 --> 00:28:03,139
I was like, ugh.
645
00:28:03,223 --> 00:28:05,523
But it was...
it was weird 'cause when...
646
00:28:05,601 --> 00:28:07,731
-when I was losing it in that rage...
-Mmm-hmm.
647
00:28:07,811 --> 00:28:09,311
And I don't know if you're a rage guy
but, you know,
648
00:28:09,438 --> 00:28:10,858
-you don't have much control over it...
-Yeah.
649
00:28:10,939 --> 00:28:11,979
...when you're in it.
650
00:28:12,065 --> 00:28:14,105
But even when I was in it
and I saw all those cameras,
651
00:28:14,192 --> 00:28:16,192
I'm like, I know
what's gonna happen with this.
652
00:28:16,278 --> 00:28:18,318
-I dramatically lost my shit...
-Mmm-hmm.
653
00:28:18,405 --> 00:28:19,905
...in a public space
with a lot of cameras,
654
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:21,450
and I knew something would happen,
655
00:28:21,533 --> 00:28:23,833
but I certainly didn't know
that it would get the...
656
00:28:23,911 --> 00:28:25,951
the traction that it got.
657
00:28:26,038 --> 00:28:27,658
I mean, I don't know if it's...
658
00:28:27,748 --> 00:28:29,418
Certainly, I'm not one for...
659
00:28:29,499 --> 00:28:30,879
-for adages...
-Mmm-hmm.
660
00:28:30,959 --> 00:28:33,749
...that, "No publicity
is bad publicity," is that it?
661
00:28:33,837 --> 00:28:36,127
But, look, I look like an asshole,
662
00:28:36,214 --> 00:28:39,014
but I did say a few things
I thought that I could get behind.
663
00:28:39,092 --> 00:28:42,512
It's a little bit embarrassing, but, uh...
664
00:28:42,596 --> 00:28:46,266
but, you know,
I think we're selling a few books.
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