1 00:00:05,964 --> 00:00:07,974 Thanks for tuning in today. I'm Niala Boodhoo, 2 00:00:08,050 --> 00:00:09,300 and my guest is Jacob Malco. 3 00:00:09,384 --> 00:00:11,224 He's the creator of three graphic novels. 4 00:00:11,303 --> 00:00:14,223 His newest, Obscurity, is just out. 5 00:00:14,306 --> 00:00:17,726 Jacob, when you look at what happened between your first book, Conjugality, 6 00:00:17,809 --> 00:00:20,309 being such a success, being made into a movie, 7 00:00:20,395 --> 00:00:22,435 following that up with Infidelity, 8 00:00:22,522 --> 00:00:25,782 and the actual infidelity that happened in your life, 9 00:00:25,859 --> 00:00:29,239 I wonder how you feel like that affected your work. 10 00:00:29,321 --> 00:00:33,241 Yeah, the love story of Conjugality was... was compelling and sweet, 11 00:00:33,325 --> 00:00:35,365 and it... and it was real. It was a real thing. 12 00:00:35,452 --> 00:00:38,712 And meeting somebody else... 13 00:00:38,789 --> 00:00:41,919 I don't know how that happens, but it happens to a lot of people, 14 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,340 I'm not unusual in that, and the infidelity was what it was, 15 00:00:45,420 --> 00:00:47,510 but I did honor that love. 16 00:00:47,589 --> 00:00:51,089 Yeah, I left my first wife, and I went with somebody else, 17 00:00:51,176 --> 00:00:52,796 but that's, you know, that happens, you know, so-- 18 00:00:52,886 --> 00:00:55,966 Well, I think it happens. I think most people don't write about it, 19 00:00:56,056 --> 00:00:59,386 so I wonder... And you're talking about how it affected people. 20 00:00:59,476 --> 00:01:02,436 Do you talk to your first wife or how did she feel about it? 21 00:01:02,563 --> 00:01:04,443 -I don't talk to either of them. -So-- 22 00:01:04,523 --> 00:01:05,653 I don't... you know, I don't have kids, 23 00:01:05,732 --> 00:01:08,402 so I think that makes it easier not to talk to them. 24 00:01:08,485 --> 00:01:11,945 It's not really my choice. Yeah, obviously, you know, the, uh... 25 00:01:12,030 --> 00:01:14,240 the first wife don't want to have anything to do with me, 26 00:01:14,324 --> 00:01:16,374 and, uh, the second one, I don't know, you know. 27 00:01:16,451 --> 00:01:20,541 So no feedback on how they've been portrayed in your works? 28 00:01:20,622 --> 00:01:22,122 Yeah, there's been feedback. 29 00:01:22,207 --> 00:01:26,127 Uh... it's a price you pay, you know, I mean... 30 00:01:26,211 --> 00:01:28,461 I write about myself. I don't know, really, how else to do it. 31 00:01:28,547 --> 00:01:31,167 My life is really the... where... the source of my... 32 00:01:31,258 --> 00:01:33,968 my creativity and what happens in my life, so... 33 00:01:34,052 --> 00:01:38,022 it's had effect on people in my life, it does, 34 00:01:38,098 --> 00:01:41,808 and, uh, I mean, I can take responsibility to a certain degree, 35 00:01:41,893 --> 00:01:45,313 but, uh, I... I guess they, you know... 36 00:01:45,397 --> 00:01:48,107 Well, they certainly know goin' in now... 37 00:01:48,191 --> 00:01:50,821 whoever might... might choose to do that. 38 00:01:50,902 --> 00:01:53,532 Well, and that's what, Jacob, I mean, that brings us to Obscurity and... 39 00:01:53,614 --> 00:01:56,534 I mean, you have to ask... I have to ask about the title. 40 00:01:56,617 --> 00:01:59,537 I mean, is that, you think, a reflection of where you're at right now? 41 00:02:00,829 --> 00:02:02,869 Well, you know, you... 42 00:02:02,956 --> 00:02:06,956 At some point when you're an artist of any kind, you know, 43 00:02:07,044 --> 00:02:10,884 you want to be relevant, so when you feel that slipping away... 44 00:02:10,964 --> 00:02:15,894 it's a little... sad. 45 00:02:15,969 --> 00:02:18,429 and it's a little... frustrating, 46 00:02:18,513 --> 00:02:19,933 and also scary, you know. 47 00:02:20,015 --> 00:02:22,265 So... so, I don't know... 48 00:02:24,645 --> 00:02:26,355 You know, I don't... 49 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:27,810 What was the question again? 50 00:02:34,321 --> 00:02:35,321 Hi. 51 00:02:35,405 --> 00:02:37,065 -Hey, Angie, what's happenin'? -Hi, Jacob. 52 00:02:37,157 --> 00:02:39,617 - You look pretty. - Thank you. 53 00:02:39,701 --> 00:02:41,621 Have you ever, uh, been to this place before? 54 00:02:41,703 --> 00:02:43,913 Nope. Have you? 55 00:02:43,997 --> 00:02:46,417 Yeah, I love this place. They have, uh, good pizza, 56 00:02:46,500 --> 00:02:49,040 they make a really good, um, salad. 57 00:02:49,127 --> 00:02:50,747 I don't remember what it's called. 58 00:02:50,837 --> 00:02:52,377 Do you want to take your coat off and stay a while, 59 00:02:52,464 --> 00:02:53,474 -or what are we-- -No, I don't think so. 60 00:02:53,548 --> 00:02:56,178 I don't... I think I'm okay with my coat on. 61 00:02:56,259 --> 00:02:58,259 Oh, no. 62 00:02:58,345 --> 00:03:01,925 -What happened? What's happening? -I read the... I read the comic. 63 00:03:02,015 --> 00:03:04,475 The new book. You read my book. 64 00:03:04,559 --> 00:03:06,059 -I read your book. Yes. -Okay. 65 00:03:06,144 --> 00:03:08,484 And how was that? Did you like it? 66 00:03:08,563 --> 00:03:11,363 Of course, I'm, you know, I... 67 00:03:11,441 --> 00:03:13,941 Just so you know, I would prefer that I wasn't involved 68 00:03:14,027 --> 00:03:16,907 in any future work of yours. 69 00:03:16,988 --> 00:03:19,368 -Okay. I-- -Does that seem fair to you? 70 00:03:19,449 --> 00:03:22,079 No, I understand what you're saying. I don't... I don't know if it's fair, 71 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:23,200 if that's the word, but like... 72 00:03:23,286 --> 00:03:25,826 It's kind of... It's a little negotiable at this point. 73 00:03:25,914 --> 00:03:26,964 It's negotiable. 74 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,380 -I don't have to use you-- -Great. 75 00:03:28,458 --> 00:03:31,128 Just wait. Just hear me out. I don't have to use your real name. 76 00:03:31,211 --> 00:03:33,051 Oh. Yeah, I just don't-- 77 00:03:33,130 --> 00:03:34,460 -How bad is that? -I don't think that's-- 78 00:03:34,548 --> 00:03:35,798 Right? 79 00:03:37,050 --> 00:03:39,800 I... I think this is it. I think this is it. 80 00:03:39,886 --> 00:03:41,296 I think... I think I need to go. 81 00:03:41,388 --> 00:03:42,468 Okay. 82 00:03:42,556 --> 00:03:44,846 -I need to go. -All right. 83 00:03:45,892 --> 00:03:47,602 -Good luck with your comics. -Thank you. 84 00:03:47,686 --> 00:03:50,056 -Good luck. -Yes. Have a good thing. 85 00:03:53,984 --> 00:03:54,904 Hey. 86 00:03:54,985 --> 00:03:57,355 - Hi. - Is she coming back? 87 00:03:57,446 --> 00:04:00,116 I don't think she is coming back. 88 00:04:00,198 --> 00:04:01,528 It's okay. 89 00:04:01,616 --> 00:04:03,076 Would you like a menu? 90 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,370 Yeah, I'm hungry. Just... You can just set it down. 91 00:04:05,454 --> 00:04:07,964 -I'll look at it in a second. -Okay. I'll be right back. 92 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:09,829 -Thank you so much. -Mmm-hmm. 93 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:34,520 -Hey, handsome. -Hi. 94 00:04:34,608 --> 00:04:35,648 -Hi. -How's it goin'? 95 00:04:35,734 --> 00:04:37,784 -It's going good. -I was lost there. 96 00:04:37,861 --> 00:04:39,361 Mmm-hmm. Want anything else? 97 00:04:39,446 --> 00:04:43,236 Um, no, I think I'm good. I'm just gonna drink coffee. 98 00:04:43,325 --> 00:04:44,575 All right, let me know if you need anything. 99 00:04:44,659 --> 00:04:46,579 -All right. Okay, thanks. -Okay. 100 00:05:11,061 --> 00:05:12,691 How many people are in there, man? 101 00:05:12,813 --> 00:05:16,863 It's not full, but, um, the people that are here are here to see you, 102 00:05:16,942 --> 00:05:20,402 -just so you know. I mean-- -God, I don't get it, man, I don't get it. 103 00:05:20,487 --> 00:05:22,157 Really? 104 00:05:22,239 --> 00:05:25,699 The book just came out. I mean, I used to be able to fill the auditorium. 105 00:05:25,784 --> 00:05:26,994 I don't get it. 106 00:05:27,077 --> 00:05:28,327 Yeah. 107 00:05:28,411 --> 00:05:31,081 I mean, I know that, like, okay, it's been, like, a long time 108 00:05:31,164 --> 00:05:33,504 since I put somethin' out and now I got nobody? I got nobody? 109 00:05:33,583 --> 00:05:35,673 Well, it's not nobody. There's... there's people here. 110 00:05:35,752 --> 00:05:37,052 There's... I think there's just not... 111 00:05:37,128 --> 00:05:39,628 It's not, as I say, not filled. 112 00:05:39,714 --> 00:05:41,844 -Did you read the book? -I did, I loved it. 113 00:05:41,925 --> 00:05:44,635 Did you read what The Reader said about the book? 114 00:05:44,719 --> 00:05:46,469 - Forget the-- - Did you read it? 115 00:05:46,555 --> 00:05:47,845 -I did. -Did you see? 116 00:05:47,931 --> 00:05:48,931 What is... Who is that guy? 117 00:05:49,015 --> 00:05:50,225 -Who is that guy? Do you-- -Doesn't matter. 118 00:05:50,308 --> 00:05:51,638 -Have you read that guy? -Here's what you should-- 119 00:05:51,726 --> 00:05:52,976 When did... Let me just ask you a question. 120 00:05:53,061 --> 00:05:55,771 When did snark just take over cultural... 121 00:05:55,855 --> 00:05:57,645 -I mean, who... What are they, 12? -I don't know. 122 00:05:57,732 --> 00:05:59,322 -Yeah, they're children. I don't-- -I'm sorry, man. 123 00:05:59,401 --> 00:06:00,741 I don't know when that happened, 124 00:06:00,819 --> 00:06:03,449 but also... And don't be mad at the people who are here 125 00:06:03,530 --> 00:06:05,660 because you're mad at the ones who didn't show up. 126 00:06:05,740 --> 00:06:08,700 Just remember that. It's not their fault the other people aren't here. 127 00:06:08,785 --> 00:06:10,405 That's good advice but I don't know what's gonna happen. 128 00:06:10,495 --> 00:06:11,995 Is there someplace where I can take my coat off? 129 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:13,750 -Sure. You can go in my office. -Where is that? 130 00:06:13,832 --> 00:06:14,962 Um... 131 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:17,539 just take it downstairs and-- 132 00:06:17,627 --> 00:06:19,087 I have to take an elevator? 133 00:06:19,170 --> 00:06:20,510 You don't have to. 134 00:06:20,589 --> 00:06:26,049 "Keen observations and bold poignancy fill Mr. Malco's most recent novel Obscurity," 135 00:06:26,136 --> 00:06:28,096 which just came out this week. 136 00:06:28,179 --> 00:06:32,349 "It's also been said Mr. Malco is a writer who knows how to keep his readers rapt 137 00:06:32,434 --> 00:06:37,024 by recounting episodes of his life with such specific immediacy 138 00:06:37,105 --> 00:06:38,895 and vivid emotional recall 139 00:06:38,982 --> 00:06:42,442 that we experience his distress as our own." 140 00:06:42,527 --> 00:06:45,107 Quite a compliment. Uh... "Critics and readers alike both adore and--" 141 00:06:45,196 --> 00:06:46,196 You know what, Dave, listen. 142 00:06:46,281 --> 00:06:49,871 Dave, Dave, Dave, you know what? Let's just... 143 00:06:50,452 --> 00:06:51,872 "Often in the same paragraph." 144 00:06:51,953 --> 00:06:53,793 No, let's just scrap the formality. 145 00:06:53,872 --> 00:06:55,172 I mean, come on. 146 00:06:55,248 --> 00:06:59,498 Uh, hi. Thank you for coming. Ivan, what's up, buddy? 147 00:06:59,586 --> 00:07:01,836 Justin. Is that Spencer? 148 00:07:01,921 --> 00:07:03,341 Jacob Malco. 149 00:07:03,423 --> 00:07:05,473 Why don't we just, um... 150 00:07:05,550 --> 00:07:08,760 hang out, go somewhere and hang out. I'll answer questions, I'll talk. 151 00:07:08,845 --> 00:07:10,845 I just... The lack of irony 152 00:07:10,931 --> 00:07:13,181 between this event and the title of my new book is just 153 00:07:13,266 --> 00:07:14,936 too much for me to handle right now. 154 00:07:15,018 --> 00:07:17,438 Right. So, uh, can we do that? 155 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,690 More importantly, is, um... 156 00:07:20,774 --> 00:07:23,074 can we just do that, 'cause it's like... 157 00:07:23,151 --> 00:07:25,781 Two questions. If we do that, can I still get paid, 158 00:07:25,862 --> 00:07:27,742 and can we just do that? 159 00:07:27,822 --> 00:07:31,912 Dave? Can we just go to a... It would be fun, right? 160 00:07:31,993 --> 00:07:35,833 And I guess we could open this up to, uh, after the bottles are done, 161 00:07:35,914 --> 00:07:37,834 we could open it to question and answer. 162 00:07:37,916 --> 00:07:39,576 Really? Are we really gonna do like the-- 163 00:07:39,668 --> 00:07:41,588 -Have to do a little something. -All right, I have a question. 164 00:07:41,670 --> 00:07:43,800 Yes, young lady up front. 165 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,220 -What's... What's your name? -Uh, Alison. 166 00:07:46,299 --> 00:07:47,299 Hi, Alison. 167 00:07:47,384 --> 00:07:50,224 Yeah, nice to meet you, um, Jacob? Can I call you... 168 00:07:50,303 --> 00:07:52,973 -Or is that too informal? -Jacob. Jake is fine. 169 00:07:53,056 --> 00:07:55,346 -Yeah, no, no, no. Uh, it's fine. -I want to stay to the structure. 170 00:07:55,433 --> 00:07:56,603 - Yeah. No. - Okay. 171 00:07:56,685 --> 00:07:58,765 - Jake is good. Yeah. - Okay, cool. 172 00:07:58,853 --> 00:08:00,863 Um, I mean, your first book is so romantic and... 173 00:08:00,939 --> 00:08:02,229 Yeah. 174 00:08:02,315 --> 00:08:03,975 -Look how that turned out. -...like, positive. I mean... 175 00:08:04,067 --> 00:08:06,397 -Yeah. -...was that an honest... 176 00:08:07,570 --> 00:08:09,780 -you know-- -Yeah. I mean... 177 00:08:09,864 --> 00:08:12,624 The question was about the first book being romantic and positive. 178 00:08:12,701 --> 00:08:14,371 - I'm a romantic, yeah. - Did you... I... 179 00:08:14,452 --> 00:08:16,202 Yeah, we can hear. 180 00:08:16,287 --> 00:08:17,287 -All right. -Yeah. Okay. 181 00:08:17,372 --> 00:08:19,832 I just... I'm trying to honor the format, Dave. 182 00:08:19,916 --> 00:08:21,996 All right. 183 00:08:22,085 --> 00:08:24,165 Can't a guy... All right. 184 00:08:24,254 --> 00:08:26,214 I don't know... 185 00:08:26,297 --> 00:08:28,467 Yeah, it was honest, but, you know, I... 186 00:08:28,550 --> 00:08:29,970 You know, was I being honest with myself? 187 00:08:30,051 --> 00:08:32,221 I think there's an argument to say no, because the second book, 188 00:08:32,303 --> 00:08:34,893 I ended up meeting somebody else so was that love real? 189 00:08:34,973 --> 00:08:39,193 Was that romance real? It was. Did it ultimately sustain? No. 190 00:08:39,269 --> 00:08:43,189 So, yeah, it was a happy story that... from a period of my life 191 00:08:43,273 --> 00:08:46,403 that, uh, you know, didn't, uh, didn't remain. 192 00:08:46,484 --> 00:08:47,904 But, yeah, I think it was honest. 193 00:08:47,986 --> 00:08:50,486 And is, um, is Melanie in your third book? 194 00:08:50,572 --> 00:08:53,122 Is she in Obscurity or... 195 00:08:55,493 --> 00:08:58,543 She's not even in my phone. 196 00:08:58,621 --> 00:09:01,171 - Ah. Thank you. - No problem. 197 00:09:01,249 --> 00:09:03,709 - Great. Alexandra, right? - Mmm-hmm. 198 00:09:03,793 --> 00:09:09,053 So, uh, I am, uh, officially tired of, uh, talking about myself. 199 00:09:09,132 --> 00:09:10,512 Well, that took a while. 200 00:09:10,592 --> 00:09:12,342 Oh, very clever. 201 00:09:12,427 --> 00:09:14,297 -No, I enjoyed it all. -Uh-huh. Oh, yeah. 202 00:09:14,387 --> 00:09:15,927 - That's very nice of you. - That's why I'm here. 203 00:09:16,014 --> 00:09:17,974 You guys, you're all in graduate school, 204 00:09:18,058 --> 00:09:19,308 you're in the graduate program over there? 205 00:09:19,392 --> 00:09:21,442 - Yeah, yeah. - You're artists, right? 206 00:09:21,519 --> 00:09:23,729 -Mmm-hmm. -And you do, you do... 207 00:09:23,813 --> 00:09:26,273 You're a photographer? You're photographers. 208 00:09:26,357 --> 00:09:27,607 I do video, motion. 209 00:09:27,692 --> 00:09:30,902 Okay, so you do... you take pictures of yourself with your phones? 210 00:09:30,987 --> 00:09:34,157 Yeah. Yeah, I'm a... I use a selfie stick and, um, a phone. 211 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,080 - Last call, all right? - We're doin' it? 212 00:09:36,159 --> 00:09:37,369 - Are you sure? - We're all doin' it. 213 00:09:37,452 --> 00:09:38,912 - We're all doin' it. - It's already last call? 214 00:09:38,995 --> 00:09:40,495 - Four shots. - Last call. Four shots? 215 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:41,920 - Yeah. He's payin'. - What can I get you? 216 00:09:41,998 --> 00:09:43,248 -Really? -Yeah, we got it. 217 00:09:43,333 --> 00:09:44,543 - Okay. - This guy's gettin' it. 218 00:09:44,626 --> 00:09:46,246 Four shots? Oh, my God. He's on the one. 219 00:09:46,336 --> 00:09:47,916 No whiskey? All right, pick. What's it gonna be? 220 00:09:48,004 --> 00:09:49,014 -Tequila. It's always tequila. -Tequila. 221 00:09:49,089 --> 00:09:50,509 Tequila shots? Patron? 222 00:09:50,590 --> 00:09:51,630 - Oh, no. - Yes, thank you. 223 00:09:51,716 --> 00:09:53,006 - You got it. - To Obscurity. 224 00:09:53,093 --> 00:09:55,223 The book. Not... not real. I... 225 00:09:56,596 --> 00:09:59,466 - Oh, all right. - Here we go. 226 00:09:59,557 --> 00:10:00,677 Oh. 227 00:10:00,767 --> 00:10:02,057 Hey, Jake, 228 00:10:02,143 --> 00:10:04,653 do you mind if I use your charger? For my phone, right here? 229 00:10:04,729 --> 00:10:07,229 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, do... What is... Is it the right kind? 230 00:10:07,315 --> 00:10:08,355 I feel like my phone's old. 231 00:10:08,441 --> 00:10:11,401 Thank God you guys came to that thing. 232 00:10:11,486 --> 00:10:12,486 Right? 233 00:10:12,570 --> 00:10:15,200 Thank you. A toast to you for showing up at that thing, 234 00:10:15,281 --> 00:10:17,451 - that could have been fuckin' tragic. - Hmm. 235 00:10:17,534 --> 00:10:19,244 Thank you for, uh, going through with it. 236 00:10:19,327 --> 00:10:20,497 Yeah. Can you imagine if I was 237 00:10:20,578 --> 00:10:22,078 just sitting there talking with those dudes-- 238 00:10:22,163 --> 00:10:23,793 - Oh, my God. - There it is. 239 00:10:23,873 --> 00:10:26,213 I think, like, uh, those are the only few copies available. Uh... 240 00:10:26,292 --> 00:10:27,292 Can we have? 241 00:10:27,377 --> 00:10:28,377 - That's it. - Can we... 242 00:10:28,461 --> 00:10:30,761 - That's the whole... - Yes, you can... Yeah, sure, you... 243 00:10:30,839 --> 00:10:33,169 - Hey, it looks beautiful. - Thank you so much. Mmm-hmm. 244 00:10:33,258 --> 00:10:35,258 You watch things broken down by movements, right? 245 00:10:35,343 --> 00:10:37,853 Like what we were just talking about, that's how they break them down. 246 00:10:37,929 --> 00:10:39,469 -Fine. -Well, we are part of a movement. 247 00:10:39,556 --> 00:10:40,766 What's the movement called? 248 00:10:40,849 --> 00:10:42,849 I mean, it's whatever you want to call it, but it's... 249 00:10:42,934 --> 00:10:44,774 That doesn't sound like an organized movement to me. 250 00:10:44,853 --> 00:10:45,943 Doesn't have to be organized. 251 00:10:46,062 --> 00:10:47,522 - Okay, fine. - Yeah, a lot of movements 252 00:10:47,605 --> 00:10:49,355 haven't been organized. This isn't political. 253 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,650 -Alexandra? -Dra. 254 00:10:51,734 --> 00:10:53,904 You're much more close-minded than I expected. 255 00:10:53,987 --> 00:10:56,987 I thought we would bond over some of our... our ideas. 256 00:10:57,073 --> 00:10:59,163 Okay, self-portraiture is different than selfie art. 257 00:10:59,242 --> 00:11:00,742 No, it's not. 258 00:11:00,827 --> 00:11:02,617 This is probably half of my next book. 259 00:11:03,830 --> 00:11:04,910 - See? - Is that too much? 260 00:11:04,998 --> 00:11:06,788 You take everything from your life. 261 00:11:06,875 --> 00:11:09,125 Exactly. So you got a problem with that? 262 00:11:09,210 --> 00:11:11,710 -You got a problem with being in the... -No, we do the exact same thing 263 00:11:11,796 --> 00:11:13,456 -but you, um-- -But what if you were gonna be in the book 264 00:11:13,548 --> 00:11:15,508 and I don't represent you the way you like? 265 00:11:15,592 --> 00:11:17,142 That's fine by me. 266 00:11:17,218 --> 00:11:18,758 -Really? -Yeah. 267 00:11:18,845 --> 00:11:20,505 Do you want to spend the rest of your life with me? 268 00:11:20,597 --> 00:11:22,137 -Maybe. -Really? 269 00:11:22,223 --> 00:11:23,683 We'll see. 270 00:11:23,766 --> 00:11:26,476 Karen was sweet, I don't, what am I gonna do to Melanie, probably? 271 00:11:26,561 --> 00:11:28,351 Lots of people are friends with their exes. 272 00:11:28,438 --> 00:11:31,108 Yeah, that's a generational thing. I think sometimes-- 273 00:11:31,190 --> 00:11:33,570 - I still have sex with my ex. - Am I in your art? 274 00:11:33,651 --> 00:11:34,821 - Yeah. - Oh. 275 00:11:35,862 --> 00:11:37,532 But that doesn't seem very provocative. 276 00:11:37,614 --> 00:11:39,824 Oh, fuck off. You haven't seen it yet. 277 00:11:41,159 --> 00:11:43,159 I'm not... Okay. Let's do it. 278 00:11:43,244 --> 00:11:44,704 I have a flier because we printed them. 279 00:11:44,787 --> 00:11:46,457 - Oh. Great. - Daniel Sinks, different forms. 280 00:11:46,539 --> 00:11:47,539 It's called "Green Light." 281 00:11:47,624 --> 00:11:49,134 Are you gonna look at us and tell us you're coming? 282 00:11:49,208 --> 00:11:50,248 You gonna tell us? 283 00:11:50,335 --> 00:11:51,745 -You gonna promise? -I'm coming to the show. 284 00:11:51,836 --> 00:11:53,126 -Okay. -I'm coming to the show. 285 00:11:53,212 --> 00:11:54,262 -Okay. -All right. 286 00:11:54,339 --> 00:11:55,629 - Man of your word. - All right. 287 00:11:55,715 --> 00:11:56,835 -All right, thanks again. -Yeah, see you later. 288 00:11:56,925 --> 00:11:57,965 - It's a pleasure. - Okay. 289 00:11:58,051 --> 00:12:00,051 Wait. What about... Wait, are you gonna wait for her? 290 00:12:00,136 --> 00:12:01,136 -Out there? -Oh. 291 00:12:01,220 --> 00:12:02,350 No, she'll come meet us at home soon. 292 00:12:02,430 --> 00:12:03,560 - Yeah, she's good. - Really? 293 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,180 Yeah, she's good. She's having a nice time. 294 00:12:06,267 --> 00:12:07,727 -Okay. -We're tired. We got up early. 295 00:12:07,810 --> 00:12:09,230 - Yeah. - All right. 296 00:12:09,312 --> 00:12:11,482 - Bye. Goodnight. - Goodnight. Just slam the door. 297 00:12:11,564 --> 00:12:14,404 All right. We will. 298 00:12:29,332 --> 00:12:31,082 - Hey. - Hi. 299 00:12:32,043 --> 00:12:34,383 Uh, your friends took off. 300 00:12:34,462 --> 00:12:36,012 I know. 301 00:12:39,592 --> 00:12:41,262 What? 302 00:12:44,263 --> 00:12:45,723 No? 303 00:12:55,191 --> 00:12:56,361 Okay. 304 00:12:58,027 --> 00:12:59,067 Yeah? 305 00:14:11,142 --> 00:14:12,312 Hello? 306 00:14:16,898 --> 00:14:18,188 Alison? 307 00:14:30,453 --> 00:14:31,453 - Hello? - Fuck... 308 00:14:34,415 --> 00:14:37,665 Dude, open the door, I'm freezin'! 309 00:14:37,752 --> 00:14:40,672 My God. 310 00:14:45,176 --> 00:14:46,716 Hello. 311 00:14:46,803 --> 00:14:48,303 - Jonesy. - Oh, my God. 312 00:14:48,388 --> 00:14:50,008 This guy just walked right into me. Right in-- 313 00:14:50,098 --> 00:14:51,308 Jonesy. 314 00:14:51,391 --> 00:14:53,021 Uh, first... and then... 315 00:14:53,101 --> 00:14:54,481 Help me. 316 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,810 -I don't think I-- -I did. I brought coffee. 317 00:14:56,938 --> 00:14:59,688 Oh. Back up. I already made some. 318 00:14:59,774 --> 00:15:02,364 Oh, my God, I don't think I can move. 319 00:15:02,443 --> 00:15:04,153 I don't think we're going to brunch. 320 00:15:04,237 --> 00:15:06,357 -That's good. Yeah. Look in the fridge. -Mmm-hmm. 321 00:15:06,447 --> 00:15:07,817 There's probably plenty in there. 322 00:15:07,907 --> 00:15:08,907 I've got a little thing. 323 00:15:09,659 --> 00:15:11,079 What? 324 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,410 I, um... I'm not gonna say 325 00:15:14,497 --> 00:15:16,667 -that, like, I'm in love or anything. -Hmm. 326 00:15:16,749 --> 00:15:19,459 I just... I'm not gonna... 327 00:15:19,544 --> 00:15:21,634 I don't have to tell you about it. 328 00:15:21,712 --> 00:15:25,092 No, you don't. Can we talk about something else? 329 00:15:25,174 --> 00:15:28,014 The one liked me because she likes my autobiographical work. 330 00:15:28,094 --> 00:15:29,894 She likes that I do work about myself. 331 00:15:29,971 --> 00:15:32,311 -She likes that you're famous. Go on. -But she's also-- 332 00:15:32,390 --> 00:15:34,270 No, she loves that you're famous. Go on. 333 00:15:34,350 --> 00:15:36,980 She sees herself as an autobiographical artist. 334 00:15:37,061 --> 00:15:39,311 And so she's connecting with me. I understand the famous... 335 00:15:39,397 --> 00:15:40,977 -I'm not that famous. -Oh, you're both... you're both... 336 00:15:41,065 --> 00:15:43,225 -Okay. Oh, okay. Yeah. -Yeah. Memoirists or whatever, we-- 337 00:15:43,317 --> 00:15:45,487 But how old is she? 338 00:15:45,570 --> 00:15:47,490 - And I'm not judging, I know-- - Twenty-four. 339 00:15:47,572 --> 00:15:50,622 Yeah, good for you. And really beautiful, right? 340 00:15:50,700 --> 00:15:52,160 -Your hair looks good. -No, but it's, like, really-- 341 00:15:52,243 --> 00:15:53,413 - Really-- - Your hair looks good. 342 00:15:53,494 --> 00:15:55,544 -You're just letting it be, right? -I don't... Can we... 343 00:15:55,621 --> 00:15:59,211 Honestly, you're doing a monologue at all times. 344 00:15:59,292 --> 00:16:02,712 And then every once in a while... 345 00:16:02,795 --> 00:16:06,465 do you just... See, now you're listening. 346 00:16:06,549 --> 00:16:09,389 But, like, I could say nice things to you, like, 347 00:16:09,469 --> 00:16:12,679 "Do you know how green your eyes are? Is it the shirt? 348 00:16:12,763 --> 00:16:14,143 What's happenin'?" 349 00:16:14,223 --> 00:16:16,603 "Last night, I met this sexy young selfie artist, 350 00:16:16,684 --> 00:16:20,444 and I'm psyched because maybe I'm gonna fuck her brains out." 351 00:16:20,563 --> 00:16:22,733 You know? Like, did you already do that? 352 00:16:22,815 --> 00:16:24,105 Yeah. 353 00:16:24,192 --> 00:16:26,652 -Was it good? Was it good? -I did it. 354 00:16:26,736 --> 00:16:27,896 -I'm pretty sure it was good. -Okay. 355 00:16:27,987 --> 00:16:30,737 - I was like... I worked. Hard. - But it's-- 356 00:16:30,823 --> 00:16:31,823 All right! 357 00:16:31,908 --> 00:16:36,248 I mean, I really do think we should, uh, just consider... 358 00:16:36,329 --> 00:16:38,039 We could adopt a kid. 359 00:16:38,122 --> 00:16:41,042 But we don't have to be romantically involved, maybe. 360 00:16:41,125 --> 00:16:43,205 -Well, how about-- -And I'm not saying I know that will work, 361 00:16:43,294 --> 00:16:46,174 I'm just saying we wonder about that. 362 00:16:46,255 --> 00:16:50,375 Okay, how about you adopt a kid and you call me and you're like, "It's here." 363 00:16:50,468 --> 00:16:52,348 "Come over and see it." 364 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:15,280 Here you go, Jacob. 365 00:17:15,368 --> 00:17:17,328 -Black, just the way you like it. -Yeah. Thank you. 366 00:17:17,411 --> 00:17:19,541 I think I should probably just live here at some point. 367 00:17:19,622 --> 00:17:21,422 - Right? - You're more than welcome. 368 00:17:21,499 --> 00:17:23,289 Nah. Thank you. 369 00:17:29,173 --> 00:17:30,683 - Yay! - Holy shit! 370 00:17:30,758 --> 00:17:32,088 -When did it get cold? -Right. It's freezing. 371 00:17:32,176 --> 00:17:34,346 -Is this it? I lost the invitation. -Yes. Come. Come on! 372 00:17:34,428 --> 00:17:36,848 I had to look at my text that I sent you. All right. Let's go. 373 00:18:10,339 --> 00:18:11,839 Do you want a beer? I'm gonna go get soda. 374 00:18:11,924 --> 00:18:13,384 -No, no. I don't -Okay. I'll be back. 375 00:18:16,095 --> 00:18:18,055 - Hey, man. - I'm a really big fan. 376 00:18:18,139 --> 00:18:20,019 I just started reading Obscurity. I'm such a fan of your work. 377 00:18:20,099 --> 00:18:21,889 -Thanks. I appreciate that. -Thanks for everything you do. 378 00:18:21,976 --> 00:18:23,846 - That's great. Thank you. - Jacob. Jacob. 379 00:18:23,936 --> 00:18:26,556 Over here. You gotta see these. 380 00:18:26,647 --> 00:18:28,267 -Yeah? -Yeah, they're amazing. 381 00:18:28,357 --> 00:18:29,937 Oh, that's her. 382 00:18:30,026 --> 00:18:31,776 Like, I love, like, this whole-- 383 00:18:31,861 --> 00:18:34,031 Yeah. 384 00:18:34,113 --> 00:18:35,873 Men's underpants. They're probably that guy's. 385 00:18:35,948 --> 00:18:37,988 -Looks great. Look at her. -That's not a man. 386 00:18:38,075 --> 00:18:39,575 It's incredible, the thing... 387 00:18:39,660 --> 00:18:41,910 -But this one's my favorite. -Okay. Oh, shit! 388 00:18:41,996 --> 00:18:43,036 What the fuck? 389 00:18:43,122 --> 00:18:44,712 It's my favorite one. 390 00:18:44,790 --> 00:18:45,920 That's my ass. 391 00:18:46,542 --> 00:18:47,922 -That's me. -I know. That's the side of... 392 00:18:48,002 --> 00:18:50,092 -It's your flank. But-- -God damn it, what is she doing? 393 00:18:50,171 --> 00:18:52,091 -Why did she do that? -Stop, don't. Honestly, it's beautiful. 394 00:18:52,173 --> 00:18:53,473 No, but it's not right. I want it taken down. 395 00:18:53,549 --> 00:18:54,839 No, but just put your... put your arms down. 396 00:18:54,925 --> 00:18:56,215 -What? -Hi, Jacob, how are ya? 397 00:18:56,302 --> 00:18:57,472 -Oh, hey. -Hi, Dave. You know Dave. 398 00:18:57,553 --> 00:18:58,603 Oh, no, we've met. Yeah, hi. 399 00:18:58,679 --> 00:19:00,059 -Right. How are ya? It's... -Oh, Annabelle Jones. 400 00:19:00,139 --> 00:19:01,519 I want that taken down, I think. 401 00:19:01,599 --> 00:19:04,349 It's not up to me, this is part of the department's. This is-- 402 00:19:04,435 --> 00:19:06,345 Okay, I'm gonna go get a beer. I'll see you guys. 403 00:19:06,437 --> 00:19:07,607 This is a student of the department. 404 00:19:07,688 --> 00:19:08,768 I know. I know who she is. 405 00:19:08,856 --> 00:19:10,566 -You were a guest of the department. -I mean-- Yeah, yeah. 406 00:19:10,650 --> 00:19:13,110 -This is bad for the department. -I got other problems, man. 407 00:19:13,194 --> 00:19:15,284 I threw you a bone and this is how you repay... 408 00:19:15,363 --> 00:19:16,703 I'm up for tenure, do you understand? 409 00:19:16,781 --> 00:19:18,411 Look, I didn't... You didn't fuck her, I fucked her. 410 00:19:18,491 --> 00:19:21,161 She's not gonna fuck your tenure up. It's my ass on the wall. 411 00:19:21,243 --> 00:19:22,663 What do you think... She's a grownup. 412 00:19:22,745 --> 00:19:24,205 What is she, you think she's gonna call her daddy? 413 00:19:24,288 --> 00:19:25,618 -What are you, her daddy? -This has become 414 00:19:25,706 --> 00:19:27,246 my problem, there's evidence that you did... 415 00:19:27,333 --> 00:19:28,333 Dude, dude, dude. 416 00:19:28,417 --> 00:19:29,587 -Don't call me "dude." -What the fuck? 417 00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:31,629 - You're a fuckin' cartoon. - Wait. Oh, really? 418 00:19:31,712 --> 00:19:34,472 What are you, Professor? Fucking loser. What is she-- 419 00:19:34,548 --> 00:19:35,968 -Jake! Jake. -Hi. 420 00:19:36,050 --> 00:19:37,590 Hi, how are you? 421 00:19:37,677 --> 00:19:39,637 I'm fine, but what is... what is that? 422 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,220 I didn't know you were taking that. You can't just-- 423 00:19:42,306 --> 00:19:43,516 I just wanted to say congratulations. 424 00:19:43,599 --> 00:19:44,599 -Hi. Oh. -I'm Annabelle. 425 00:19:44,684 --> 00:19:45,694 - Alison. Nice to meet you. - Okay. 426 00:19:45,768 --> 00:19:47,648 Annabelle Jones. Beautiful work. Congratulations. 427 00:19:47,728 --> 00:19:48,938 Annie, can I talk to her for a second? 428 00:19:49,063 --> 00:19:51,573 -Well, I... She's having a show. -Can I talk to her for a second? 429 00:19:51,649 --> 00:19:52,979 -Can I talk to her for a second? -And I wanted to... 430 00:19:53,067 --> 00:19:55,237 Sure. Knock yourself out. 431 00:19:56,404 --> 00:19:59,244 That's not right. You can't just put my... 432 00:19:59,323 --> 00:20:01,163 It's like date rape. It's like a roofie picture. 433 00:20:01,242 --> 00:20:02,242 It's like date rape? 434 00:20:02,326 --> 00:20:04,746 - It is kind of, isn't it? - So, I guess you don't like the work? 435 00:20:04,829 --> 00:20:05,959 Calm down. 436 00:20:06,038 --> 00:20:07,868 I'm not gonna calm down. Like, my ass is hanging out. 437 00:20:07,957 --> 00:20:09,207 You didn't ask me if that... 438 00:20:09,291 --> 00:20:11,671 That's my house, you were in there, I was sleeping. 439 00:20:11,752 --> 00:20:13,092 I didn't know you were taking that picture. 440 00:20:13,170 --> 00:20:15,210 -That's just rude. What does it mean? -Let me ask you a question. 441 00:20:15,297 --> 00:20:16,297 Did you draw me? 442 00:20:16,382 --> 00:20:17,632 -Yeah, I drew you. -Oh. 443 00:20:17,717 --> 00:20:18,757 -But I didn't put it up. -Did you ask me? 444 00:20:18,843 --> 00:20:20,433 I didn't tweet it, I didn't put it on what, I... 445 00:20:20,511 --> 00:20:22,721 -Did you ask me permission? -No, but I didn't do anything with it. 446 00:20:22,805 --> 00:20:24,305 So, it might end up in a book, right? 447 00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:25,890 -Yeah, but it's gonna end up-- -Maybe 12 years later, 448 00:20:25,975 --> 00:20:27,305 -but eventually. -That's not the point. 449 00:20:27,393 --> 00:20:28,443 What does that mean? There's no story to that. 450 00:20:28,519 --> 00:20:30,859 That's just sort of like, "Look, I fucked this guy and he's sleeping." 451 00:20:30,938 --> 00:20:31,978 There's completely story, this is my life. 452 00:20:32,064 --> 00:20:35,194 Look at this... that old guy. No, no, I mean, how many are there? 453 00:20:35,276 --> 00:20:36,356 You have a whole phone full of this shit? 454 00:20:36,444 --> 00:20:37,454 Are you trying to slut shame me now? 455 00:20:37,528 --> 00:20:39,738 No, I'm not trying to slut shame you. Why didn't you return my text? 456 00:20:39,822 --> 00:20:42,992 - My privacy is public. - Yeah, but mine isn't. 457 00:20:43,075 --> 00:20:44,785 Uh, I don't think that's true. 458 00:20:44,869 --> 00:20:46,539 -What do you-- -I think privacy is dead, 459 00:20:46,620 --> 00:20:48,000 and you were one of the first people to do that. 460 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,500 No. Oh, well, that's very flattering, but, you know, 461 00:20:50,583 --> 00:20:52,883 I think that's not the same fuckin' thing. 462 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,500 Is that my privacy, when I... What are you doing, Andrew? 463 00:20:55,588 --> 00:20:56,758 - Keep the passion. - Is this your art? 464 00:20:56,839 --> 00:20:58,469 - Keep the passion. I love it. - Is this your art? 465 00:20:58,549 --> 00:21:00,089 Keep the passion? Are you out of your fucking mind? 466 00:21:00,176 --> 00:21:01,466 Okay, why don't you just calm down for a second? 467 00:21:01,552 --> 00:21:02,892 Why don't you go live a real life? 468 00:21:02,970 --> 00:21:03,970 -There it is. -What is... what is that? 469 00:21:04,054 --> 00:21:06,144 I know what you're gonna do with that. 470 00:21:06,223 --> 00:21:07,223 What is that, click bait? 471 00:21:07,308 --> 00:21:08,348 -Oh, my God. -Is that... is that what you... 472 00:21:08,434 --> 00:21:09,444 -This is what you do? -Don't touch the work. 473 00:21:09,518 --> 00:21:12,018 Is it about the clicks? Is that what determines your art? 474 00:21:12,104 --> 00:21:14,154 -Why don't you get a fuckin' job? -This is my job. 475 00:21:14,231 --> 00:21:17,191 Really? Is it? How's that going? You makin' a livin'? Where's the... 476 00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:18,356 Listen. 477 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,740 What is this shit? What are you, fucking zombies? 478 00:21:22,907 --> 00:21:24,577 Is this funny to you? 479 00:21:24,658 --> 00:21:27,788 You know what's really ironic is that none of you have a point of view, 480 00:21:27,870 --> 00:21:29,580 but it's all the same fuckin' point of view. 481 00:21:29,663 --> 00:21:31,173 There's no depth to what you're doing. 482 00:21:31,248 --> 00:21:33,418 You're as deep as your arm's length to your fucking camera. 483 00:21:33,501 --> 00:21:34,501 Jacob, why don't you calm down? 484 00:21:34,585 --> 00:21:35,585 This is ridiculous. These are like the... 485 00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:36,669 I know what you're gonna do with it. 486 00:21:36,754 --> 00:21:37,964 So what, I'm gonna be on 487 00:21:38,047 --> 00:21:39,257 -the Internet tomorrow? -Okay, ta-da! 488 00:21:39,340 --> 00:21:41,840 This means nothing, and it's gonna last forever. 489 00:21:41,926 --> 00:21:43,136 - Congratulations. 490 00:21:45,262 --> 00:21:48,722 No depth to it. Just wait a second. Here's how deep you are. 491 00:21:48,808 --> 00:21:51,728 Here's to your camera, to your fucking dumb head. 492 00:21:51,811 --> 00:21:53,441 -God damn it. -When you're not taking selfies, 493 00:21:53,521 --> 00:21:55,561 you're feeding off someone who's having a real life. 494 00:21:56,732 --> 00:21:58,862 -Anyway, great. Ta-da! -Good night. 495 00:22:00,653 --> 00:22:01,863 Whether there's three people, 496 00:22:01,946 --> 00:22:04,616 there could be 300, 30 people, it doesn't matter. 497 00:22:04,698 --> 00:22:05,868 -Ah, I just can't. -Just talk... 498 00:22:05,950 --> 00:22:07,030 Just say what you want to say. 499 00:22:07,117 --> 00:22:08,787 No, I'm not gonna... I... There's like... 500 00:22:08,869 --> 00:22:11,539 If there's, like, three people, I don't... 501 00:22:12,164 --> 00:22:14,504 Hey, Mr. Malco. It's gonna be about five minutes. 502 00:22:14,583 --> 00:22:15,583 -Can I get you-- -Five... Hey. 503 00:22:15,668 --> 00:22:17,498 If there's, like, three people out there, 504 00:22:17,586 --> 00:22:20,256 can I just sign books and maybe talk to them individually, 505 00:22:20,339 --> 00:22:21,839 and just leave? 506 00:22:21,924 --> 00:22:23,384 Uh, no, it's... We're full. 507 00:22:23,467 --> 00:22:26,007 Um, we had to borrow some chairs from next door, actually. 508 00:22:26,095 --> 00:22:29,305 That's hilarious. I'm serious, though, if there's, like, five people... 509 00:22:30,641 --> 00:22:33,731 Uh, seriously, there's, like, 50 or 60 people out there. 510 00:22:34,895 --> 00:22:35,895 -Really? -Thank you, Mike. 511 00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:37,230 -So, yeah, it's a good turnout. -Mike, right? 512 00:22:37,314 --> 00:22:38,864 -Yeah, I'm Mike. -Annabelle. Thanks, Mike. 513 00:22:38,941 --> 00:22:40,321 -Hey. Yeah, sure. -Yeah, there are 50 people. 514 00:22:40,401 --> 00:22:43,321 -Thanks. Thank you. -Mmm-hmm. You need anything? I'm... 515 00:22:43,404 --> 00:22:45,664 - No, thanks. - Not right now. 516 00:22:45,739 --> 00:22:46,739 -Okay. -Thanks. 517 00:22:46,824 --> 00:22:48,414 -Mmm-hmm. -Fifty. 518 00:22:48,492 --> 00:22:50,292 - I just... - Good evening, everybody. 519 00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:53,579 I'd like to thank everyone for coming out to our winter reading series. 520 00:22:53,664 --> 00:22:56,584 Uh, it's nice to see such a great turnout. 521 00:22:56,667 --> 00:22:59,377 We have a very special guest tonight, uh, Jacob Malco. 522 00:22:59,461 --> 00:23:02,171 He's a local Chicago graphic novelist. 523 00:23:02,256 --> 00:23:05,006 Uh, he's gonna be reading from his new book, Obscurity. 524 00:23:05,092 --> 00:23:06,972 So let's give him a warm welcome. 525 00:23:11,515 --> 00:23:12,805 Thanks, Mike. 526 00:23:13,726 --> 00:23:15,596 Hi. How's everyone doin'? 527 00:23:15,686 --> 00:23:17,146 Good. 528 00:23:17,229 --> 00:23:19,979 I'm, uh, Jacob Malco, and, uh... 529 00:23:20,899 --> 00:23:22,439 I don't... I don't want to just read. 530 00:23:22,526 --> 00:23:24,856 I have a... I have a feeling that some of you are here... 531 00:23:24,945 --> 00:23:29,525 Most of you are probably not here 'cause you even know who I am, right? 532 00:23:29,617 --> 00:23:32,237 I'm just, uh, the angry guy from the video, right? 533 00:23:32,328 --> 00:23:34,158 How many people saw the video? 534 00:23:35,789 --> 00:23:37,459 Wow. Great. 535 00:23:38,375 --> 00:23:40,745 Well, I write graphic novels, 536 00:23:40,836 --> 00:23:42,626 but we don't have to talk about that right now, 537 00:23:42,713 --> 00:23:45,303 'cause I feel like you're expecting something else. 538 00:23:45,382 --> 00:23:46,432 And, um... 539 00:23:47,343 --> 00:23:48,393 let's just address that. 540 00:23:49,928 --> 00:23:51,638 Do you have any questions? 541 00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:54,599 What's up? 542 00:23:55,142 --> 00:23:57,942 Do you really think my generation's just a bunch of vapid idiots? 543 00:23:58,062 --> 00:23:59,022 No, I mean, that was said in anger. 544 00:23:59,104 --> 00:24:01,574 Look, I watched that thing, I'm not proud of it, but I had... 545 00:24:01,649 --> 00:24:05,399 I think I was trying to make a point about, uh... 546 00:24:05,486 --> 00:24:08,026 I was personally upset about some art work, 547 00:24:08,113 --> 00:24:11,373 and then I turned around and there's 20, 30 people with iPhones 548 00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:13,870 taking essentially the same... 549 00:24:13,952 --> 00:24:15,332 piece of footage. 550 00:24:15,412 --> 00:24:17,252 If you were to look at that in that moment, 551 00:24:17,331 --> 00:24:18,831 just turn around and spontaneously 552 00:24:18,916 --> 00:24:22,336 20 people with iPhones taping you, that's pretty vapid. 553 00:24:22,419 --> 00:24:24,799 So, maybe it was just a reaction to that. 554 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,220 Yes? 555 00:24:26,298 --> 00:24:30,388 Uh, I'm curious if the artist who you slut shamed in the video 556 00:24:30,469 --> 00:24:32,929 has had any response to the tirade? 557 00:24:34,181 --> 00:24:36,351 No. 558 00:24:36,433 --> 00:24:37,983 But she's here. 559 00:24:39,144 --> 00:24:40,734 Alison is here. You want to come up and, 560 00:24:40,813 --> 00:24:44,863 you know, and address the... You want to make a comment? 561 00:24:44,942 --> 00:24:46,192 Are you inviting me? 562 00:24:46,276 --> 00:24:47,986 Yes, I'm inviting you. 563 00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:50,320 -Okay. -Please come up and let's try to... 564 00:24:50,406 --> 00:24:52,566 Hey. 565 00:24:55,035 --> 00:24:56,445 Hi, guys. 566 00:24:56,537 --> 00:24:57,827 Um... 567 00:24:57,913 --> 00:25:02,793 So to give some context for the video, um, we were at my grad show, 568 00:25:02,876 --> 00:25:08,086 um, I make work that's not dissimilar to Jacob's. 569 00:25:08,173 --> 00:25:12,223 Um... I use myself and my personal life 570 00:25:12,302 --> 00:25:16,222 and as a narrative and, um... to bring up important ideas. 571 00:25:16,306 --> 00:25:21,686 Um, he uses a pen and paper and I use a selfie stick and an iPhone. 572 00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:23,730 Right, but I mean, he... Here's the... 573 00:25:23,814 --> 00:25:26,324 here's the other context, is that... 574 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,030 we had, um, 575 00:25:29,111 --> 00:25:31,491 we had slept with each other and I was asleep. 576 00:25:31,947 --> 00:25:33,197 - I was asleep and-- - See, like, 577 00:25:33,282 --> 00:25:34,702 that's really personal, and you didn't ask me 578 00:25:34,783 --> 00:25:36,373 if you could share that with everyone, so... 579 00:25:36,452 --> 00:25:37,752 Yeah, but I'm... This is not the art, 580 00:25:37,828 --> 00:25:39,578 I mean, I'm trying to get the proper... 581 00:25:39,663 --> 00:25:40,663 What was the problem-- 582 00:25:40,748 --> 00:25:42,168 Well, you know, it was jarring, you know. 583 00:25:42,249 --> 00:25:44,039 -I'm going to see this... Like, we-- -Right, but even now, 584 00:25:44,126 --> 00:25:45,836 you know, we're standing in front of all these people 585 00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:48,009 -and you're not jarred... -Like, I feel a little disrespected. 586 00:25:48,088 --> 00:25:49,588 A little blindsided. 587 00:25:56,263 --> 00:25:57,473 All right. 588 00:25:59,558 --> 00:26:01,598 That was fun. 589 00:26:01,685 --> 00:26:03,765 You know, it was. 590 00:26:03,854 --> 00:26:07,444 It was... it was really fun. I thought it was engaging. 591 00:26:07,524 --> 00:26:09,824 I think it was... We're a good team. 592 00:26:09,902 --> 00:26:11,072 Cheers to that. 593 00:26:11,153 --> 00:26:12,493 Yeah. 594 00:26:12,571 --> 00:26:16,411 Yeah, no, it was, uh... That was... that was amazing. That was great. 595 00:26:16,492 --> 00:26:18,952 That was a book signing that turned into, like, 596 00:26:19,036 --> 00:26:21,656 one of the best discussions I've had... 597 00:26:21,747 --> 00:26:22,747 -in the last two years. -It-- 598 00:26:22,831 --> 00:26:24,001 And I'm in grad school, so... 599 00:26:24,082 --> 00:26:25,212 You know what I mean? 600 00:26:25,292 --> 00:26:26,462 -That's not nothin'. -I, uh... 601 00:26:26,543 --> 00:26:28,053 -Well, or maybe it says something... -Oh, my God. 602 00:26:28,128 --> 00:26:29,918 -...about grad school, but... -Let me just say this, though, 603 00:26:30,005 --> 00:26:31,005 uh, 'cause I don't want to forget. 604 00:26:31,089 --> 00:26:32,969 The... I, um... 605 00:26:34,301 --> 00:26:35,931 I am sorry... 606 00:26:36,011 --> 00:26:37,601 -Oh. -...about... 607 00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:38,719 I didn't expect that. 608 00:26:38,806 --> 00:26:42,426 ...about, you know, making a scene at your big night. 609 00:26:42,518 --> 00:26:44,728 -And... I like the work. -Honestly, I have to tell you-- 610 00:26:44,812 --> 00:26:46,522 -Listen to me. I like the work. -Okay, okay. I'm sorry. 611 00:26:46,605 --> 00:26:48,015 I like the work. 612 00:26:48,106 --> 00:26:49,106 You know, I was just... 613 00:26:49,191 --> 00:26:51,901 I think it was more of a personal issue. 614 00:26:51,985 --> 00:26:53,105 As it turns out. 615 00:26:53,195 --> 00:26:56,025 I'm... you know, I'm stubborn, but I'm an open-minded guy. 616 00:26:56,114 --> 00:26:58,914 And... and I think that really what it was about was... 617 00:27:00,077 --> 00:27:01,247 Well, let me say something first 618 00:27:01,328 --> 00:27:02,498 -to that point. -All right, all right. 619 00:27:02,579 --> 00:27:05,039 Honestly, like, that is what I would... 620 00:27:05,123 --> 00:27:08,173 I couldn't have imagined... Like, I could have paid someone 621 00:27:08,252 --> 00:27:12,422 to come in and do and say what you said as a performance art piece. 622 00:27:12,506 --> 00:27:14,626 - I mean, this has, like, been-- - Well, it is now. 623 00:27:14,716 --> 00:27:18,426 Like, who has a grad show and then gets a viral video out of it 624 00:27:18,512 --> 00:27:20,682 and then a great book signing and, like, all this conversation. 625 00:27:20,764 --> 00:27:21,774 -I don't know. -All right. All right. 626 00:27:21,849 --> 00:27:22,849 So I'm just saying, like... 627 00:27:22,933 --> 00:27:25,103 Art and life, right? No... no difference, right? 628 00:27:25,185 --> 00:27:26,685 -Yeah. -Oh, my God. 629 00:27:26,770 --> 00:27:28,770 Hey. Hey! 630 00:27:28,856 --> 00:27:30,516 -What? -Cheers. 631 00:27:31,608 --> 00:27:34,528 Oh, this is the greatest horrible thing to ever happened to me. 632 00:27:36,154 --> 00:27:37,284 So, uh, before we go, 633 00:27:37,364 --> 00:27:38,914 I know you've gotta go, 634 00:27:38,991 --> 00:27:42,121 um, but I want to just ask you one more question that might be weird. 635 00:27:42,202 --> 00:27:44,792 So, happy to turn this off or not, you know. 636 00:27:44,872 --> 00:27:47,752 And I... I don't wanna, again, embarrass you here, but the... 637 00:27:47,833 --> 00:27:51,003 I have to ask you about this, the... the video. 638 00:27:51,086 --> 00:27:52,496 -You can turn that on. -Are you sure? 639 00:27:52,588 --> 00:27:53,758 -Mmm-hmm. -Okay. 'Cause it... 640 00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:56,629 All right, but I'm not trying to get you or anything like that, I'm not gonna-- 641 00:27:56,717 --> 00:27:57,967 -On the record. -So you, yeah... 642 00:27:58,051 --> 00:28:00,431 Yeah, the video was, you know, embarrassing. 643 00:28:00,512 --> 00:28:02,062 -Uh-huh. -And when I first watched it, 644 00:28:02,139 --> 00:28:03,139 I was like, ugh. 645 00:28:03,223 --> 00:28:05,523 But it was... it was weird 'cause when... 646 00:28:05,601 --> 00:28:07,731 -when I was losing it in that rage... -Mmm-hmm. 647 00:28:07,811 --> 00:28:09,311 And I don't know if you're a rage guy but, you know, 648 00:28:09,438 --> 00:28:10,858 -you don't have much control over it... -Yeah. 649 00:28:10,939 --> 00:28:11,979 ...when you're in it. 650 00:28:12,065 --> 00:28:14,105 But even when I was in it and I saw all those cameras, 651 00:28:14,192 --> 00:28:16,192 I'm like, I know what's gonna happen with this. 652 00:28:16,278 --> 00:28:18,318 -I dramatically lost my shit... -Mmm-hmm. 653 00:28:18,405 --> 00:28:19,905 ...in a public space with a lot of cameras, 654 00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:21,450 and I knew something would happen, 655 00:28:21,533 --> 00:28:23,833 but I certainly didn't know that it would get the... 656 00:28:23,911 --> 00:28:25,951 the traction that it got. 657 00:28:26,038 --> 00:28:27,658 I mean, I don't know if it's... 658 00:28:27,748 --> 00:28:29,418 Certainly, I'm not one for... 659 00:28:29,499 --> 00:28:30,879 -for adages... -Mmm-hmm. 660 00:28:30,959 --> 00:28:33,749 ...that, "No publicity is bad publicity," is that it? 661 00:28:33,837 --> 00:28:36,127 But, look, I look like an asshole, 662 00:28:36,214 --> 00:28:39,014 but I did say a few things I thought that I could get behind. 663 00:28:39,092 --> 00:28:42,512 It's a little bit embarrassing, but, uh... 664 00:28:42,596 --> 00:28:46,266 but, you know, I think we're selling a few books.