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Murder, kill. That's a pretty good
offer.
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Helen, may I call you Helen?
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No.
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Dorothy, murder too.
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Where's she going?
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Look, Mr. Herrick, this may be fun for
you. It isn't to me.
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You murdered somebody.
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I came in here to talk about a plea. If
you reject the plea, we have nothing
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left to discuss.
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The plea's rejected.
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Fine.
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Oh, what about the piano?
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I beg your pardon?
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I would like to use a piano in my
opening, and Bobby said it would be
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with your consent.
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You want to use a piano?
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Yes. In your opening argument?
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Yes. What I lack in lyric, I make up for
in melody.
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He wants to do what?
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Well, he thinks he... You will not turn
my courtroom into theater, Mr. Herrick.
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No, Your Honor.
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Listen, I know it sounds insane, which
you probably all think I am anyway.
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It's only a matter of time before
lawyers use it in the courtroom.
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I just want to be the first.
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I'm willing to show you if it'll help
demonstrate my intent.
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Go ahead.
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There's a dead guy.
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Everybody thinks I killed him. There's a
dead guy.
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Like he was a pest.
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Took a knife right in the chest.
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Everybody says it's me, but it wasn't
Kedges. He's a dead guy. He's a dead
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Something like that. I still have to
work on the ending.
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There will be no piano.
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You know how rough it'll be.
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There's going to be a lot of people in
that courtroom.
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Everything is public record.
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I want to do this, Eleanor.
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I'm tired of pretending that it doesn't
bother me.
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I'm tired of just walking away.
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You sure?
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I'm sure.
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Okay.
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Ten o 'clock.
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I'll be at the courthouse.
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You've turned down 75.
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I'm a little concerned you're not seeing
straight on this one.
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I beg your pardon?
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The woman didn't suffer any damages.
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75 is not enough. Eleanor, you're a
little hypersensitive when it comes to
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obesity. Let's face facts.
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Our client was ridiculed in front of a
lot of people. My hypersensitivity...
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you make the client aware of the offer?
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Of course I did. She rejected it.
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Did you tell her to reject it?
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I made my client aware of the offer she
elected to go to trial.
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I'm assigning Lindsay to second chair.
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I don't need Lindsay to second chair
this case.
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I'm assigning Lindsay to second chair.
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Wait, you have to pick me in the middle?
I just need an objective eye. I don't
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think Eleanor... I mean, you see the way
she reacts to Joey Harrod? Joey Harrod
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calls her hippo and dumbo. I don't think
she overreacts at all. It was a dunk?
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The clown booth, Lindsay.
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All I ask is that you watch, Doc.
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She'll take it out on me.
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It's on me. She knows that.
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Mr.
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Herrick,
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I will instruct you again.
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If there is objection from the
prosecution...
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You will wait for my ruling on that
objection before you proceed.
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Are you clear, sir?
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Yes, Your Honor.
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Miss Gamble, are you ready to open?
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Yes, Your Honor.
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We'll hear from you.
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I'm sorry. I suppose that all my
preparation and my nervousness, I'm
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to say that I've left something out.
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What's that?
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I have to pee.
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The bailiff will take the defendant to
the men's room.
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We'll adjourn for five minutes.
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This is how Marty Andelman looked when
the police arrived.
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This is Marty Andelman's last
expression.
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Dead.
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When the police showed up, the defendant
was there with his three lawyers.
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The evidence will show that the
defendant fatally stabbed Marty
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The evidence will show that the
defendant and the victim were lovers,
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were on the verge of a breakup, and that
that breakup could potentially cost the
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defendant more than $2 million.
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I won't keep you long, ladies and
gentlemen. It's pretty simple.
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That man committed murder.
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The evidence will prove this quickly and
undeniably.
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Let's address the first question.
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What man would want to defend himself in
a trial where his life was on the line?
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Ms. Gamble would say that the evidence
proves undeniably that I committed
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murder.
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Only thing is, I didn't.
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Did I stab him? Yes.
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But it was in self -defense.
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I'll tell you here now, though I don't
think it has any probative value, my
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three lawyers at the scene...
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Even they thought I did it.
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Objection. Sustained.
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Don't tell us what other people thought,
Mr. Herrick. I'm merely offering this
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to answer the question, why in God's
name would he represent himself?
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I do so because, as far as I know, I'm
the only one convinced of my innocence.
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I'm not going to hire an attorney to
argue something to a jury that he
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believe himself.
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Yes, the evidence will show.
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my prints on that weapon.
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They will also show Marty Endelman's
because what really happened that night,
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ladies and gentlemen, is that Marty
Endelman tried to kill me.
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We were on the verge of a split up and
he was emotionally upset and he tried to
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kill me.
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I'm not going to go into the facts now,
but I will say the evidence will show
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that he came at me with the very knife
that I stabbed him with, that we
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with that knife, that both of our hands
were on it. And in the process of that
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struggle, the knife went into him, not
me.
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Did I run?
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No. Did I try to cover up evidence? No.
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Did I know how it would look?
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Of course.
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That's why I called my lawyers.
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Let's face it, gay lovers, one's dead.
We all know how it looks.
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But how it looks is not how it is.
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And what this comes down to is
prosecution's going to say, convict him.
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to convict him.
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He was the only one who was there.
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And I will say, believe me.
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You have to believe me.
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Because I was the only one who went
there.
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That's the whole act.
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The clown insults everybody who walks by
to make them angry enough to want to
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play the game.
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It's put down $2 to get three baseballs
and try to dunk this obnoxious bastard
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into the water.
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We've all seen this.
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This kind of booth has been on the
midways at state fairs and carnivals for
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years.
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Did the clown insult the plaintiff? Yes.
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Did he do anything to her that he didn't
do to anybody else?
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No.
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Did he or the carnival have any
malicious intent toward this woman?
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Of course not.
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You call a person fat.
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You abuse her.
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You encourage a crowd of people to laugh
at her physicality. And when she's
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hurt, you say, no intent.
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Didn't mean it.
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The day he died?
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The very day.
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And what did Mr. Andelman say to you,
Doctor?
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Basically, that he was very afraid for
his life.
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And that he thought Mr. Herrick might
try to kill him. Did he say why?
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Well, he had been getting a lot of
veiled threats over the last few weeks.
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Veiled threats?
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Yes, Mr. Herrick would say things like,
how's your heart?
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Feeling any chest pain? You might want
to object to this.
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And why specifically did he feel in
danger on this day, Dr.
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Toomey? Because he was about to break up
with Mr. Herrick.
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And he said that he was a violent man.
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And moreover, he was not a man who would
lose, who would let himself be bested.
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Marty Andelman said that he was afraid
of me?
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Yes, he did.
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Afraid I would kill him?
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Yes.
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Doctor, you were treating him for mental
problems?
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I am not comfortable discussing my
patient's problems in open court.
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You're not comfortable?
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What are you doing sitting in that
chair?
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I'm sitting here because the prosecution
sent me a summons.
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Yes, ma 'am, you will answer this man's
questions.
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Patient privilege doesn't apply anymore.
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He suffered from paranoid personality
disorder.
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You diagnosed it. A slight paranoid
disorder, yes.
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I'm no doctor, certainly, but according
to the Diagnostic Manual for Mental
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Disorders, a pervasive and unwarranted
tendency to interpret the
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actions of people as deliberately
threatening.
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Is that a fair diagnosis of the
disorder?
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Yes, but... And Mr. Andelman suffered
from this disorder, slight?
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Yes. He suffered from anything else?
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Clinical depression?
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Yes. He ever talk about suicide?
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Oh, are you now suggesting that he
committed suicide, Mr. Herrick? No,
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I'm merely asking you, did he ever
contemplate suicide?
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Yes.
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Since you asked for my suggestion, is it
a terrible leap then to say that a
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person who would consider suicide might
consider homicide?
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I don't think... Doctor, my question is,
is it entirely inconsistent that a
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person might be both suicidal and
homicidal?
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No. One last question, then I'll let you
go. I know that you will loathe to talk
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about your patients.
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Did Marty Andelman manifest a tendency
toward violence?
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Yes.
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Thank you.
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That's all.
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We were just walking through the
fairgrounds and suddenly he started in
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microphone. The clown?
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Yes. Do you remember what he said?
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Things like, I guess the Titanic didn't
think after all.
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He asked whether or not I had named the
quintuplets or was I just waiting for
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them to be born first.
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And he called me a bunch of things.
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Do you remember the things that he
called you? Cow.
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Pig.
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Rhode Island.
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And then what did you do?
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I tried to smile and pretend I thought
it was funny.
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Everybody else was laughing, so...
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I just kept walking, smiling.
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You walked away?
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Yes. And he said, when she turns a
cheek, she really turns a cheek.
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Marsha, were you alone?
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No, I was with a man.
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I was on a first date.
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It was very embarrassing for him, too.
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And then what happened?
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Well, he told me it was nothing to get
upset about, and I tried to pretend it
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didn't bother me.
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But after the date, I went home.
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And I cried.
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And your date?
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I never saw him again.
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Marsha, here's the question.
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Why choose to relive this again in a
courtroom?
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I went to a state fair on a Sunday
afternoon.
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I was minding my own business.
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And for the entertainment of others, a
carnival employee started insulting my
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physical appearance for profit.
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I am not ashamed of taking that
seriously.
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When I walk down a street and people
yell things at me,
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the shame should not be mine.
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It should be theirs.
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From the entry, the knife was plunged
in.
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It had to have had a certain amount of
velocity to it. There was no mashing of
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the skin.
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By velocity, you mean... Like this.
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It couldn't have happened in a struggle
the way he says.
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Are you sure?
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He describes a situation in which both
had their hands on it and were pushing.
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I'm sorry, but you don't just push a
knife through a sternum.
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This was a massive blow.
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It was no struggle.
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Do you have an opinion as to how Mr.
Andelman was stabbed?
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I do, based on the trajectory of the
wound.
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May I show you? Of course.
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The victim was sitting.
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The killer came up from behind him and
over the top.
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He drove the knife in, like this.
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We're talking about a lot of force here.
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Well, the reason I have a problem,
Doctor, is that you're completely wrong.
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And it leads me to ask, how many other
people have been falsely convicted by
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your ridiculous theories?
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Objection. Sustained.
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Okay, look, I'm not going to debate you
on forensics, trajectory, velocity
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equations. The truth is, I know nothing
about any of it.
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But I certainly do know that Marty
Edelman didn't die the way you say he
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Objection. Sustained.
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You're not allowed to give arguments at
this point, Mr. Herrick.
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Just ask questions.
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Sir, in 1987, did you testify against a
man named Alex Beauregard?
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Yes. Your testimony went to trajectory,
angle of wound. It was another stabbing
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death, right?
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Yes, I believe that's correct.
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Mr. Beauregard was convicted of murder
and sentenced to life in prison. Yes.
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Two years later, somebody else confessed
to the crime.
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The conviction was overturned and Mr.
Beauregard was released. Did you know
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that? Yes.
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And your analysis of wound trajectory
turned out to be wrong in that case,
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didn't it?
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Yes. A crime you essentially convicted
him of with your testimony. So mistakes
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do happen.
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I'm not mistaken here, Mr. Herrick.
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Mistakes do happen.
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Yes or no?
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Thank you.
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Oh, one last question.
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Did you ever apologize to Mr.
Beauregard?
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No.
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Gee.
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$100 ,000. That's as high as... Nope.
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Bring it up to two. I'll try to sell it.
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200 ,000. You saw the faces on the jury.
Well, the jury hasn't heard our side.
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Fine, we'll tell them your side, but
100's not enough. I'll give you the
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answer. I gave him the answer.
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We have to take the offer to the client.
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We'll get right back to you.
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Thanks.
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Don't you undermine me, Lindsay. You
can't reject an offer without making the
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client aware of it, Eleanor.
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We'll offer manslaughter, eight years.
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What?
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Manslaughter. It's a moral victory.
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But it's not a victory.
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Well, it's as good as it's gonna get.
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It's as good as you'll offer.
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I'll get better.
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Manslaughter, yes or no?
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Gee, decisions, decisions.
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No. Joey!
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I said no!
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Are you crazy?
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They're offering eight years. That's
because they know they've lost.
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They've still got a great case.
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Yeah, and if you weren't in favor of me
going off to prison, I might actually
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attach some credibility to your insipid
little opinions. You can do what you
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want to do, but you committed cold
-blooded murder and you get an offer of
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manslaughter? As sick as you are, you
can't be that stupid.
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Stupid?
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Stupid would be listening to you. Touch
me again and I will hurt you.
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You think I can't or I won't?
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Then, yeah, you are stupid.
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I don't want her on the case. Hold on.
No, I don't want her. Fine, my
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malpractice premium is high enough
already. Look, Lindsay, part of
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good settlement is playing hardball.
Don't bully me, Eleanor. I don't need a
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secretary. You know what?
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You don't get it.
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That fat people face the discrimination.
You just don't get it. And that is
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exactly why Marcia is bringing this case
so people like you will get it. I'm a
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fat bigot now? I didn't say that. But
while we're launching accusations of
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hypersensitivity... Come on. We're all
on the same side here. You're in the
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middle of a trial.
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Work it out.
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Both of you.
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Eugene, I need you with me this morning,
too. Can you come? It's just for the
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day.
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Sure.
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According to Mr. Andelman's life
insurance policy, who would stand to
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the event of his death?
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The defendant, Joey Herrick.
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And how much would he stand to inherit,
sir?
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$2 .3 million.
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Thank you.
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Mr. Herrick?
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No questions, Your Honor.
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You may step down.
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Ms. Gamble?
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Your Honor, the Commonwealth calls Joey
Herrick.
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Could she do that?
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Your Honor, could we adjourn to
chambers?
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I have a Fifth Amendment right not to
testify. She can't call me as a witness.
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He has testified, Your Honor. He
therefore waived his right.
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What are you talking about?
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Mr. Herrick put facts into evidence in
his opening. He told his side of the
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story. I'm entitled, therefore, to cross
-examine his version of the event.
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Opening argument is not evidence. I know
that. I'm not even a lawyer. But he
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used it to get in evidence.
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He testified in the narrative.
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Even so, I'm not inclined to punish him
for a mistake.
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Not when it comes to his self
-incrimination.
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A mistake.
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Do we really think he didn't know
exactly what he was doing? He told his
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the story. And by not taking the stand,
he figured to shield himself from cross
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-examination. That's the whole reason he
chose to represent himself.
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So he could testify and not be subject
to cross -examination.
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00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,400
You give me way too much credit. Your
Honor, he said in his opening that the
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evidence will show it was self -defense.
The evidence will show that Marty
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Anelman came at him.
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Where's that evidence going to come
from?
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Mr. Herrick, do you plan to call
witnesses to put those facts in?
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How can I call witnesses? I was the only
one there.
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Exactly, making you the only witness.
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I think I agree with the district
attorney.
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You've put testimony into this trial.
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She can cross -examine.
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Your Honor. That's what you get, Mr.
Herrick, when you choose to defend
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yourself. You put yourself in a hole.
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You'll have to dig yourself out.
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Fine.
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Helen.
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You come right at me.
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I won't deny the clown is mean
-spirited.
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The truth is, that's why that booth
draws the crowds.
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Because the clown is so outrageous.
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Does the carnival impose any
limitations?
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Certainly. No obscene language, no
picking on people with disabilities, no
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picking on kids.
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Obviously, no racial or religious
remarks.
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But as to general physicality?
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Yes, it's really all about that.
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The big nose, the bald head, the bad
figure, the bad clothing. His job is to
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antagonize the people so that they
become angry enough that they want to
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him.
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So you do draw limitations on what your
clowns can say?
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Yes. And if my colleague were to pass
by, your clown wouldn't remark on his
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race? No. He would probably go right for
that big bald head.
387
00:23:09,900 --> 00:23:12,000
Come on. I've been to a few comedy
clubs.
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I've heard some pretty hard -biting
racist humor getting big laughs.
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00:23:15,900 --> 00:23:18,200
I mean, if it's funny. We wouldn't allow
that.
390
00:23:18,420 --> 00:23:19,039
Well, why?
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00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,780
Everybody knows it's just a clown act.
What's the big deal?
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00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:24,340
I see nothing funny in racism.
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And I don't tolerate it in any form at
any one of my carnivals.
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00:23:27,980 --> 00:23:30,900
So you do see something funny in fat
people?
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You'll tolerate making fun of fat
people, yes?
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00:23:36,410 --> 00:23:41,850
Yes. And, Mr. Johnson, your tolerance of
this kind of abuse, is it that you're
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unaware of the hurt you cause to people
like my client, or is it that you just
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disregard that kind of pain?
399
00:23:47,550 --> 00:23:50,390
We never meant to hurt your client, Ms.
Frutz.
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Are you aware that you did hurt her?
401
00:23:52,790 --> 00:23:56,530
Obviously, we're aware now. And since
you became aware of it, that these words
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00:23:56,530 --> 00:23:58,830
hurt, have you instructed your clown?
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00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:00,860
stop ridiculing fat people?
404
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:03,880
No.
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00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,960
Her whole plan will be to get to that
other murder.
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00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:11,700
The judge suppressed that.
407
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,560
But if she somehow gets you to open the
door on it, she can get it admitted.
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00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,360
What do you mean, open the door?
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00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,920
Well, she'll ask, what do you mean Marty
had a temper?
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00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,440
She wants you to answer that he
threatened to kill Peter Feynman.
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00:24:24,660 --> 00:24:28,160
If you give any inkling of anything to
do with that other case,
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It'll get in.
413
00:24:30,650 --> 00:24:33,910
The jury will learn that you killed
somebody else, and if that happens, you
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00:24:33,910 --> 00:24:35,030
kiss your ass goodbye, Joey.
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00:24:39,870 --> 00:24:40,870
Okay.
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00:24:42,590 --> 00:24:47,070
Joey, she is very good.
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00:24:50,670 --> 00:24:53,570
Any evidence that Mr. Andelman could be
homicidal?
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00:24:53,930 --> 00:24:55,970
You heard his own psychiatrist say so.
419
00:24:56,430 --> 00:24:58,150
Yes. Well, any other evidence?
420
00:24:58,490 --> 00:25:00,370
Did you ever see such homicidal
tendencies?
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00:25:01,010 --> 00:25:02,010
Yes. When?
422
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The night he tried to kill me.
423
00:25:04,150 --> 00:25:05,530
The night you killed him?
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In self -defense.
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00:25:08,010 --> 00:25:09,370
Did he ever threaten to kill you before?
426
00:25:09,670 --> 00:25:11,910
No. Did he ever threaten to kill anybody
else?
427
00:25:12,150 --> 00:25:16,090
I believe for the purpose of this trial,
the judge has instructed us not to talk
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about any other occasion where he may
have or may have not threatened to kill
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00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:21,070
anybody else.
430
00:25:21,270 --> 00:25:22,270
That's right.
431
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:26,550
You say he came at you with the knife.
432
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,880
Yes. And you thought he would kill you?
433
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,320
Yes. So you decided to kill him instead?
434
00:25:32,940 --> 00:25:35,020
Well... You didn't first try to get the
knife away?
435
00:25:35,260 --> 00:25:38,000
Yes, of course I did, but I couldn't.
And you struggled? Yes.
436
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:43,540
Tell me, at what point during the
struggle did you say to yourself, I'm
437
00:25:43,540 --> 00:25:44,259
kill him?
438
00:25:44,260 --> 00:25:45,260
I never...
439
00:25:45,340 --> 00:25:50,600
decided to kill him, Ms. Gamble. My
intent was for him not to kill me. Yes,
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00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,660
to accomplish that, you decided you
would kill him. That isn't so. Mr.
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00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:58,000
you said yourself you intended to kill
him. You grabbed the knife.
442
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,380
I said I killed him in self -defense.
443
00:26:00,700 --> 00:26:04,940
Yes, and that is a deliberate act. You
deliberately killed him. It was a
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struggle. Are you listening?
445
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,840
Mr. Herrick. Eric, you can't have it
both ways.
446
00:26:09,060 --> 00:26:13,440
Were you trying to wrestle the knife
away or were you trying to kill him? I
447
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,340
trying to wrestle the knife away when it
went into him. You thrust it into him.
448
00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:20,580
It went into him during the struggle. It
went in by accident? Yes.
449
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,640
I never intended to kill him. How many
ways can I say it?
450
00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:26,400
You said it perfectly.
451
00:26:36,490 --> 00:26:38,690
Have you ever stabbed and killed anybody
else, Mr. Herrick?
452
00:26:40,350 --> 00:26:42,830
Did you not hear my question, Mr.
Herrick?
453
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:44,669
Your Honor?
454
00:26:44,670 --> 00:26:49,210
Your Honor, you ruled if he argued
accident, the other case would be
455
00:26:49,470 --> 00:26:51,150
Well, he just argued accident.
456
00:26:51,770 --> 00:26:55,830
Objection. I'll allow it. Now, wait a
second. Mr. Donald, sit down.
457
00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:58,950
Have you ever killed anybody else by
stabbing Mr.
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Herrick? That's suppressed.
459
00:27:01,270 --> 00:27:02,810
Your Honor, that's suppressed.
460
00:27:03,030 --> 00:27:04,030
Not anymore.
461
00:27:04,330 --> 00:27:08,410
Did you kill a former lover by stabbing
him in the chest with a knife? Yes or
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00:27:08,410 --> 00:27:09,410
no, sir?
463
00:27:10,130 --> 00:27:14,630
All right, well, I'll just keep asking
until I get an answer. Did you kill a
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former lover by stabbing him to his
death with a kitchen knife?
465
00:27:18,570 --> 00:27:21,490
Did you kill a former lover by... I
plead Fifth Amendment.
466
00:27:22,090 --> 00:27:26,230
You can't do that, sir. See, you were
already granted immunity on that. So the
467
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:28,530
Fifth Amendment isn't available to you
now.
468
00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:34,090
Let me ask again. Did you kill City
Councilman Peter Feynman by stabbing him
469
00:27:34,090 --> 00:27:36,370
his death with a kitchen knife?
470
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:39,850
Yes or no? Did you kill... I don't
remember.
471
00:27:42,150 --> 00:27:43,230
You don't remember?
472
00:27:45,490 --> 00:27:48,410
Did you testify under oath that you
killed him?
473
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,460
Your Honor, I have no more questions.
474
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,280
Mr. Herrick, you may step down.
475
00:28:14,660 --> 00:28:16,440
Mr. Herrick, you may step down.
476
00:28:18,340 --> 00:28:19,860
I think I should tell now.
477
00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:23,120
Could we adjourn, please? I want to
tell!
478
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,400
Your Honor.
479
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:26,840
Mr. Herrick?
480
00:28:28,380 --> 00:28:29,980
Do you know where you are?
481
00:28:30,940 --> 00:28:32,240
I'm in deep trouble.
482
00:28:34,980 --> 00:28:36,400
I want to tell.
483
00:28:37,820 --> 00:28:41,160
I did kill Peter Feynman.
484
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,800
But I didn't kill Marty.
485
00:28:46,340 --> 00:28:47,640
He killed himself.
486
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,920
I beg your pardon?
487
00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:54,620
He framed me.
488
00:28:55,340 --> 00:28:58,720
That would be going to some length to
get somebody in trouble, don't you
489
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,460
We were breaking up, but I was leaving
him.
490
00:29:06,820 --> 00:29:09,660
He picked up the kitchen knife and he
started laughing.
491
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,740
They're all going to think you did it,
Joey.
492
00:29:15,340 --> 00:29:20,340
You killed Peter this way, and when they
find me in your apartment with a knife
493
00:29:20,340 --> 00:29:23,180
in my chest, they'll all blame you.
494
00:29:24,970 --> 00:29:26,090
And he laughed some more.
495
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:29,390
You'll never get the insurance money.
496
00:29:31,650 --> 00:29:34,510
Because they'll all think you did it and
you'll be in jail.
497
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:40,130
And even if they learn the truth, my
insurance doesn't cover suicide. And he
498
00:29:40,130 --> 00:29:41,390
smiled at me.
499
00:29:44,690 --> 00:29:48,110
And he said, I finally got you, Joey.
500
00:29:49,090 --> 00:29:52,670
I bested you. I win. You lose.
501
00:29:56,910 --> 00:30:00,870
And with that, he thrust the knife into
his chest.
502
00:30:05,950 --> 00:30:10,310
Then why did you claim it was self
-defense?
503
00:30:10,830 --> 00:30:12,330
Nobody beats me.
504
00:30:15,030 --> 00:30:17,150
I wasn't going to let him win.
505
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:22,370
Self -defense, I still get the money.
506
00:30:24,170 --> 00:30:28,410
But even if I... didn't, I wasn't gonna
let you win.
507
00:30:33,950 --> 00:30:36,690
Your Honor, we need to call one more
witness.
508
00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:39,590
I couldn't let him win.
509
00:30:45,630 --> 00:30:52,490
When you form a conclusion about people
based on appearance, it's
510
00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:53,490
bigotry.
511
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:55,070
It's prejudice.
512
00:30:55,950 --> 00:30:59,970
And as politically correct as this
country has become, the prejudice
513
00:30:59,970 --> 00:31:03,510
people, well, that one's not so bad, is
it?
514
00:31:03,730 --> 00:31:04,950
I mean, we're to blame.
515
00:31:05,310 --> 00:31:09,050
It's our own fault. We must eat too
much. We're lazy. We're not disciplined.
516
00:31:09,290 --> 00:31:10,290
We're sloppy.
517
00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:12,650
You know, I was at a movie theater once.
518
00:31:13,090 --> 00:31:16,430
And they showed a fat person at the
beach in a bathing suit.
519
00:31:16,770 --> 00:31:23,770
And the audience openly cringed and
groaned. And nobody, nobody was ashamed
520
00:31:23,770 --> 00:31:24,770
do so.
521
00:31:25,230 --> 00:31:31,830
You see, every billboard, every fashion
magazine tells us to be ashamed of our
522
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:33,510
bodies. Be thin. Be thin.
523
00:31:35,210 --> 00:31:37,690
Would my client like to be thinner? I
don't know.
524
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:39,990
I can tell you I certainly would.
525
00:31:40,410 --> 00:31:41,850
Does she struggle with her weight?
526
00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:44,570
I don't know. I can tell you I do.
527
00:31:46,290 --> 00:31:49,650
But does that mean we should be ashamed
of our bodies?
528
00:31:50,790 --> 00:31:51,790
Absolutely not.
529
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,800
I don't expect the bigotry to end with
the wave of a wand.
530
00:31:56,500 --> 00:32:01,740
It has been going on for so long, it's
going to take a long time to stop it.
531
00:32:03,140 --> 00:32:09,580
But if we are to stop it, we need a
beginning for somebody, one jury,
532
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:14,160
to say that it is prejudice and that it
is not okay.
533
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,200
This is a very, very brave woman.
534
00:32:22,990 --> 00:32:24,090
I so admire her.
535
00:32:27,510 --> 00:32:31,730
And I promise you, it was not easy for
her to come into this courtroom.
536
00:32:38,510 --> 00:32:42,930
Please help her to give the courage to
other fat people to stand up and say,
537
00:32:43,170 --> 00:32:44,430
enough.
538
00:32:52,750 --> 00:32:55,530
Well, we seem to threw over everything
these days, don't we?
539
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:59,750
Wrongful termination, sexual harassment.
540
00:33:00,450 --> 00:33:02,890
Now it's just insults.
541
00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:08,350
What about the Little League game where
the third baseman taunts the batter?
542
00:33:08,570 --> 00:33:11,470
What about the movie that shows the fat
woman on the beach?
543
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:16,550
What about the movies and the TV shows
that ridicule someone's appearance? What
544
00:33:16,550 --> 00:33:17,550
are we going to do?
545
00:33:18,390 --> 00:33:19,410
Shut them down?
546
00:33:21,930 --> 00:33:27,370
The cattleman sued Oprah for criticizing
a hamburger.
547
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:30,890
Where and when is this going to stop?
548
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:33,790
I don't like the clown bit.
549
00:33:34,290 --> 00:33:35,850
I thought it was insensitive.
550
00:33:38,270 --> 00:33:42,050
But this guy was dressed up as a clown.
551
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:47,870
He's running off to court every time
your feelings are hurt. Come on.
552
00:33:50,350 --> 00:33:53,130
We're becoming a nation of victims.
553
00:33:54,990 --> 00:33:55,990
Who's next?
554
00:34:04,690 --> 00:34:06,770
You have to trust me now, Joey.
555
00:34:06,970 --> 00:34:10,630
I'm taking over, I call the shots, and
you have to trust me.
556
00:34:11,370 --> 00:34:12,929
Why do you even want to help me?
557
00:34:13,590 --> 00:34:14,889
I'm not sure that I even do.
558
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:19,310
But I'm on this case, and I have to make
the legal decisions that I think are
559
00:34:19,310 --> 00:34:25,719
necessary. Now, Dr. Jordan, he won't
agree to testify unless you wear hand
560
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:26,719
leg restraints.
561
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,500
Why? He doesn't think that you'll be
able to tolerate some of his testimony.
562
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:41,199
How long did you treat Joey Herrick?
563
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:48,100
Almost six years. Is it possible that
the man sitting there would rather face
564
00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:49,199
murder charges?
565
00:34:49,929 --> 00:34:52,429
Then admit he was outsmarted.
566
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:56,130
Not only is it possible, I would
consider it almost probable.
567
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:58,450
What kind of narcissism are we talking
about here?
568
00:34:58,650 --> 00:35:01,270
The same kind of narcissism that
prevented you raising insanity.
569
00:35:01,610 --> 00:35:04,690
This man needs to believe he is mentally
superior.
570
00:35:05,470 --> 00:35:06,470
Look at him.
571
00:35:06,910 --> 00:35:10,970
He sits there, half dead, not because
he's looking at a conviction. He
572
00:35:10,970 --> 00:35:12,510
doesn't even care about that.
573
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:19,610
He's neocatatonic because that woman
tricked him. She outmaneuvered him.
574
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:25,180
On this witness stand, any punishment
you give him won't be as bad as what
575
00:35:25,180 --> 00:35:26,240
suffering right now.
576
00:35:29,340 --> 00:35:30,700
This is a bit much for me.
577
00:35:31,540 --> 00:35:32,620
I don't doubt that.
578
00:35:34,660 --> 00:35:40,480
The man's willing to risk a life term in
prison rather than just say, gee, my
579
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,560
lover one -upped me by trying to kill
himself.
580
00:35:43,140 --> 00:35:48,560
Trying to make sense of him is futile,
Miss Gamble. He is an acute
581
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,060
Disorder. He needs to win.
582
00:35:51,780 --> 00:35:55,480
And would that need to win apply to this
trial, Doctor?
583
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,198
Excuse me?
584
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,160
Wouldn't Joey feel an overwhelming need
to win this trial?
585
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,040
Yes, he would.
586
00:36:02,140 --> 00:36:03,940
And he's a brilliant man, isn't he?
587
00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:05,700
He's a genius.
588
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,920
Given his genius and his need to win, is
it possible, after I caught him on the
589
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,860
stand, is it possible that he
manufactured this wonderful story about
590
00:36:15,860 --> 00:36:16,860
killing himself?
591
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:20,700
That is possible.
592
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,160
Does it have to make sense, this kind of
narcissistic disorder?
593
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,480
It defies sense or logic.
594
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:35,600
As Dr. Jordan testified, a narcissist
can't bear criticism of any kind.
595
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,840
Imagine when the man he loved looked him
in the eye, smiled at him and said,
596
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,060
I've outsmarted you.
597
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,360
I schemed you out of your insurance
money. I beat you.
598
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,800
This man doesn't.
599
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,080
Lose.
600
00:36:50,340 --> 00:36:51,420
No, he doesn't.
601
00:36:51,860 --> 00:36:54,520
And he wasn't going to lose this one,
was he?
602
00:36:55,620 --> 00:36:59,380
He orchestrated an immunity agreement
after the first murder.
603
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,440
And here he is today.
604
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,720
Suddenly saying that the second victim
took his own life.
605
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,020
Maybe his best mind game of all.
606
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,500
Well, how can anybody be sure?
607
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,080
You heard his story. It sounded real.
And he was the only one there.
608
00:37:16,430 --> 00:37:21,150
And a treating doctor said his story is
not only possible, it is probable.
609
00:37:23,410 --> 00:37:28,330
Probable. And the victim's doctor
testified that Marty Anderman did show
610
00:37:28,330 --> 00:37:29,370
suicidal tendencies.
611
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:31,750
You heard that.
612
00:37:32,690 --> 00:37:37,650
Joey Herrick laughed after the first
murder. He's laughing at me now. The
613
00:37:37,650 --> 00:37:40,790
remaining question, does he get to laugh
at you?
614
00:37:50,060 --> 00:37:51,060
Please be seated.
615
00:37:51,380 --> 00:37:53,980
The Honorable Adam Clark presiding.
616
00:38:03,380 --> 00:38:05,500
Madam foreperson, we'll hear from you.
617
00:38:09,780 --> 00:38:14,740
In the matter of Marcia Belson versus
New England Carnival Company on the
618
00:38:14,740 --> 00:38:17,300
of intentional infliction of emotional
distress.
619
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:23,760
We find in favor of the plaintiff and
order the defendant to pay damages in
620
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,220
amount of $330 ,000.
621
00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:32,360
The jury is dismissed with the thanks of
the court. We're adjourned.
622
00:38:40,740 --> 00:38:43,840
If you tell anybody I cried, I'd break
your head.
623
00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:45,100
I understand.
624
00:39:24,170 --> 00:39:26,750
Members of the jury, you have your
verdict?
625
00:39:27,590 --> 00:39:28,590
We do, Your Honor.
626
00:39:30,050 --> 00:39:31,710
Will the defendant please rise?
627
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:40,270
What say you?
628
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:44,450
In the matter of the Commonwealth v.
Joseph Herrick on the charge of murder
629
00:39:44,450 --> 00:39:48,730
the first degree, we find the defendant,
Joseph Herrick, not guilty.
630
00:39:56,330 --> 00:39:57,630
The defendant is free to go.
631
00:39:59,610 --> 00:40:02,810
Members of the jury, thank you for your
service. We'll adjourn.
632
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:36,150
Several of the jurors' polls say they
really do think he committed the murder,
633
00:40:36,330 --> 00:40:38,250
but they just couldn't be positive.
634
00:40:38,530 --> 00:40:44,070
The only thing we can be sure of, as of
right now, Joey Herrick is once again a
635
00:40:44,070 --> 00:40:45,069
free man.
636
00:40:45,070 --> 00:40:46,070
Thank you, Robert.
637
00:40:46,270 --> 00:40:49,770
Elsewhere today, a fiery midair
collision took the life of a Lincoln.
638
00:40:50,210 --> 00:40:53,890
I should keep some of this stuff.
639
00:40:54,530 --> 00:40:57,570
Souvenirs. Research. Can't tell you I'll
need it again.
640
00:40:58,150 --> 00:41:01,390
Joey, get some help.
641
00:41:03,070 --> 00:41:05,110
It was just so hard to find, Bobby.
642
00:41:06,270 --> 00:41:08,310
Well, still here.
643
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:11,370
Thought you'd be out placing a personal
by now.
644
00:41:11,950 --> 00:41:12,950
Cute.
645
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:15,210
Failed at love twice.
646
00:41:15,790 --> 00:41:17,550
Willing to take another stab.
647
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:18,990
Forever yours.
648
00:41:19,710 --> 00:41:23,910
Lovesick. Kind of gets you right here,
doesn't it?
649
00:41:24,410 --> 00:41:25,670
I know you're a murderer.
650
00:41:26,830 --> 00:41:30,510
Yes. But do you know I killed Marty?
651
00:41:32,110 --> 00:41:33,350
I'll tell you this, Dorothy.
652
00:41:34,310 --> 00:41:38,050
When you had me on the stand, you really
had me.
653
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:41,350
I got sexually stimulated a little.
654
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:47,450
Yeah, I could have wanted to deny that
Marty killed himself, but I couldn't
655
00:41:47,450 --> 00:41:49,350
the idea of losing to him.
656
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:51,150
Oh, you're right.
657
00:41:51,930 --> 00:41:56,430
I could have made it all up to avoid
losing to you.
658
00:41:58,110 --> 00:41:59,890
It's so damn confusing.
659
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,200
Or narcissism.
660
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:06,100
Touch a bugger.
661
00:42:06,820 --> 00:42:09,260
You can't live with it, but you can day.
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