1 00:00:11,899 --> 00:00:13,960 Murder, kill. That's a pretty good offer. 2 00:00:14,340 --> 00:00:16,160 Helen, may I call you Helen? 3 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:17,480 No. 4 00:00:17,700 --> 00:00:19,540 Dorothy, murder too. 5 00:00:20,420 --> 00:00:21,420 Where's she going? 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,060 Look, Mr. Herrick, this may be fun for you. It isn't to me. 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:26,740 You murdered somebody. 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,340 I came in here to talk about a plea. If you reject the plea, we have nothing 9 00:00:30,340 --> 00:00:31,340 left to discuss. 10 00:00:32,500 --> 00:00:33,500 The plea's rejected. 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:35,040 Fine. 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:37,580 Oh, what about the piano? 13 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:39,920 I beg your pardon? 14 00:00:40,540 --> 00:00:43,440 I would like to use a piano in my opening, and Bobby said it would be 15 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:44,440 with your consent. 16 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:47,860 You want to use a piano? 17 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,560 Yes. In your opening argument? 18 00:00:51,060 --> 00:00:54,500 Yes. What I lack in lyric, I make up for in melody. 19 00:00:55,820 --> 00:00:56,980 He wants to do what? 20 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,140 Well, he thinks he... You will not turn my courtroom into theater, Mr. Herrick. 21 00:01:01,180 --> 00:01:02,139 No, Your Honor. 22 00:01:02,140 --> 00:01:05,099 Listen, I know it sounds insane, which you probably all think I am anyway. 23 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,920 It's only a matter of time before lawyers use it in the courtroom. 24 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:10,760 I just want to be the first. 25 00:01:11,180 --> 00:01:13,260 I'm willing to show you if it'll help demonstrate my intent. 26 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:15,840 Go ahead. 27 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:24,160 There's a dead guy. 28 00:01:24,340 --> 00:01:26,780 Everybody thinks I killed him. There's a dead guy. 29 00:01:27,100 --> 00:01:28,440 Like he was a pest. 30 00:01:28,700 --> 00:01:30,240 Took a knife right in the chest. 31 00:01:30,900 --> 00:01:34,080 Everybody says it's me, but it wasn't Kedges. He's a dead guy. He's a dead 32 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:39,620 Something like that. I still have to work on the ending. 33 00:01:40,860 --> 00:01:41,860 There will be no piano. 34 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:31,520 You know how rough it'll be. 35 00:02:31,740 --> 00:02:33,380 There's going to be a lot of people in that courtroom. 36 00:02:34,060 --> 00:02:35,320 Everything is public record. 37 00:02:36,100 --> 00:02:37,600 I want to do this, Eleanor. 38 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,380 I'm tired of pretending that it doesn't bother me. 39 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:42,660 I'm tired of just walking away. 40 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:44,800 You sure? 41 00:02:45,540 --> 00:02:46,540 I'm sure. 42 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:48,720 Okay. 43 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:49,880 Ten o 'clock. 44 00:02:53,020 --> 00:02:54,040 I'll be at the courthouse. 45 00:03:02,730 --> 00:03:03,890 You've turned down 75. 46 00:03:06,110 --> 00:03:08,330 I'm a little concerned you're not seeing straight on this one. 47 00:03:08,970 --> 00:03:09,970 I beg your pardon? 48 00:03:10,170 --> 00:03:11,750 The woman didn't suffer any damages. 49 00:03:12,050 --> 00:03:15,630 75 is not enough. Eleanor, you're a little hypersensitive when it comes to 50 00:03:15,630 --> 00:03:16,870 obesity. Let's face facts. 51 00:03:17,970 --> 00:03:21,410 Our client was ridiculed in front of a lot of people. My hypersensitivity... 52 00:03:21,410 --> 00:03:22,950 you make the client aware of the offer? 53 00:03:23,210 --> 00:03:25,010 Of course I did. She rejected it. 54 00:03:26,010 --> 00:03:28,570 Did you tell her to reject it? 55 00:03:30,250 --> 00:03:33,950 I made my client aware of the offer she elected to go to trial. 56 00:03:37,890 --> 00:03:39,630 I'm assigning Lindsay to second chair. 57 00:03:40,110 --> 00:03:42,650 I don't need Lindsay to second chair this case. 58 00:03:42,870 --> 00:03:46,450 I'm assigning Lindsay to second chair. 59 00:03:52,300 --> 00:03:55,960 Wait, you have to pick me in the middle? I just need an objective eye. I don't 60 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,460 think Eleanor... I mean, you see the way she reacts to Joey Harrod? Joey Harrod 61 00:03:59,460 --> 00:04:03,680 calls her hippo and dumbo. I don't think she overreacts at all. It was a dunk? 62 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,140 The clown booth, Lindsay. 63 00:04:06,100 --> 00:04:07,760 All I ask is that you watch, Doc. 64 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:08,859 She'll take it out on me. 65 00:04:08,860 --> 00:04:10,300 It's on me. She knows that. 66 00:04:24,770 --> 00:04:25,770 Mr. 67 00:04:42,470 --> 00:04:43,470 Herrick, 68 00:04:45,690 --> 00:04:47,430 I will instruct you again. 69 00:04:48,190 --> 00:04:50,710 If there is objection from the prosecution... 70 00:04:51,020 --> 00:04:53,580 You will wait for my ruling on that objection before you proceed. 71 00:04:54,020 --> 00:04:55,080 Are you clear, sir? 72 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:56,560 Yes, Your Honor. 73 00:04:57,460 --> 00:04:59,660 Miss Gamble, are you ready to open? 74 00:05:00,900 --> 00:05:01,900 Yes, Your Honor. 75 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:03,560 We'll hear from you. 76 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:11,760 I'm sorry. I suppose that all my preparation and my nervousness, I'm 77 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,480 to say that I've left something out. 78 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,000 What's that? 79 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:17,800 I have to pee. 80 00:05:22,890 --> 00:05:25,170 The bailiff will take the defendant to the men's room. 81 00:05:25,430 --> 00:05:27,010 We'll adjourn for five minutes. 82 00:05:37,970 --> 00:05:41,030 This is how Marty Andelman looked when the police arrived. 83 00:05:41,410 --> 00:05:43,790 This is Marty Andelman's last expression. 84 00:05:44,530 --> 00:05:45,530 Dead. 85 00:05:45,930 --> 00:05:49,710 When the police showed up, the defendant was there with his three lawyers. 86 00:05:51,690 --> 00:05:56,030 The evidence will show that the defendant fatally stabbed Marty 87 00:05:56,370 --> 00:06:01,350 The evidence will show that the defendant and the victim were lovers, 88 00:06:01,350 --> 00:06:05,710 were on the verge of a breakup, and that that breakup could potentially cost the 89 00:06:05,710 --> 00:06:07,010 defendant more than $2 million. 90 00:06:08,410 --> 00:06:11,810 I won't keep you long, ladies and gentlemen. It's pretty simple. 91 00:06:12,150 --> 00:06:14,010 That man committed murder. 92 00:06:15,190 --> 00:06:19,050 The evidence will prove this quickly and undeniably. 93 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:33,840 Let's address the first question. 94 00:06:35,220 --> 00:06:38,880 What man would want to defend himself in a trial where his life was on the line? 95 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,740 Ms. Gamble would say that the evidence proves undeniably that I committed 96 00:06:43,740 --> 00:06:44,740 murder. 97 00:06:45,380 --> 00:06:48,420 Only thing is, I didn't. 98 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:50,980 Did I stab him? Yes. 99 00:06:51,740 --> 00:06:53,000 But it was in self -defense. 100 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,540 I'll tell you here now, though I don't think it has any probative value, my 101 00:06:57,540 --> 00:06:59,900 three lawyers at the scene... 102 00:07:00,220 --> 00:07:01,680 Even they thought I did it. 103 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:03,280 Objection. Sustained. 104 00:07:03,500 --> 00:07:09,520 Don't tell us what other people thought, Mr. Herrick. I'm merely offering this 105 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,860 to answer the question, why in God's name would he represent himself? 106 00:07:15,380 --> 00:07:19,980 I do so because, as far as I know, I'm the only one convinced of my innocence. 107 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,600 I'm not going to hire an attorney to argue something to a jury that he 108 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:25,620 believe himself. 109 00:07:27,060 --> 00:07:28,760 Yes, the evidence will show. 110 00:07:29,390 --> 00:07:31,330 my prints on that weapon. 111 00:07:32,030 --> 00:07:37,010 They will also show Marty Endelman's because what really happened that night, 112 00:07:37,130 --> 00:07:41,050 ladies and gentlemen, is that Marty Endelman tried to kill me. 113 00:07:42,670 --> 00:07:49,390 We were on the verge of a split up and he was emotionally upset and he tried to 114 00:07:49,390 --> 00:07:50,390 kill me. 115 00:07:50,490 --> 00:07:54,550 I'm not going to go into the facts now, but I will say the evidence will show 116 00:07:54,550 --> 00:07:59,350 that he came at me with the very knife that I stabbed him with, that we 117 00:07:59,350 --> 00:08:03,390 with that knife, that both of our hands were on it. And in the process of that 118 00:08:03,390 --> 00:08:06,570 struggle, the knife went into him, not me. 119 00:08:08,690 --> 00:08:09,690 Did I run? 120 00:08:10,290 --> 00:08:12,050 No. Did I try to cover up evidence? No. 121 00:08:13,510 --> 00:08:14,910 Did I know how it would look? 122 00:08:15,510 --> 00:08:16,510 Of course. 123 00:08:17,370 --> 00:08:18,670 That's why I called my lawyers. 124 00:08:20,170 --> 00:08:23,350 Let's face it, gay lovers, one's dead. We all know how it looks. 125 00:08:23,810 --> 00:08:26,910 But how it looks is not how it is. 126 00:08:27,290 --> 00:08:31,010 And what this comes down to is prosecution's going to say, convict him. 127 00:08:31,010 --> 00:08:32,010 to convict him. 128 00:08:32,510 --> 00:08:34,530 He was the only one who was there. 129 00:08:35,990 --> 00:08:37,650 And I will say, believe me. 130 00:08:38,710 --> 00:08:40,030 You have to believe me. 131 00:08:41,230 --> 00:08:45,190 Because I was the only one who went there. 132 00:09:22,619 --> 00:09:24,120 That's the whole act. 133 00:09:25,220 --> 00:09:29,460 The clown insults everybody who walks by to make them angry enough to want to 134 00:09:29,460 --> 00:09:30,460 play the game. 135 00:09:30,510 --> 00:09:34,590 It's put down $2 to get three baseballs and try to dunk this obnoxious bastard 136 00:09:34,590 --> 00:09:35,590 into the water. 137 00:09:35,750 --> 00:09:37,010 We've all seen this. 138 00:09:37,490 --> 00:09:40,910 This kind of booth has been on the midways at state fairs and carnivals for 139 00:09:40,910 --> 00:09:41,910 years. 140 00:09:42,650 --> 00:09:45,550 Did the clown insult the plaintiff? Yes. 141 00:09:45,990 --> 00:09:48,810 Did he do anything to her that he didn't do to anybody else? 142 00:09:49,470 --> 00:09:50,470 No. 143 00:09:50,870 --> 00:09:55,190 Did he or the carnival have any malicious intent toward this woman? 144 00:09:56,510 --> 00:09:57,510 Of course not. 145 00:09:58,830 --> 00:10:00,150 You call a person fat. 146 00:10:00,410 --> 00:10:01,490 You abuse her. 147 00:10:01,730 --> 00:10:05,910 You encourage a crowd of people to laugh at her physicality. And when she's 148 00:10:05,910 --> 00:10:07,250 hurt, you say, no intent. 149 00:10:08,130 --> 00:10:09,130 Didn't mean it. 150 00:10:10,430 --> 00:10:11,850 The day he died? 151 00:10:12,650 --> 00:10:13,730 The very day. 152 00:10:14,530 --> 00:10:16,990 And what did Mr. Andelman say to you, Doctor? 153 00:10:18,490 --> 00:10:21,610 Basically, that he was very afraid for his life. 154 00:10:22,030 --> 00:10:25,750 And that he thought Mr. Herrick might try to kill him. Did he say why? 155 00:10:26,330 --> 00:10:30,050 Well, he had been getting a lot of veiled threats over the last few weeks. 156 00:10:30,250 --> 00:10:31,250 Veiled threats? 157 00:10:31,470 --> 00:10:35,370 Yes, Mr. Herrick would say things like, how's your heart? 158 00:10:36,230 --> 00:10:39,610 Feeling any chest pain? You might want to object to this. 159 00:10:40,490 --> 00:10:47,190 And why specifically did he feel in danger on this day, Dr. 160 00:10:47,310 --> 00:10:50,150 Toomey? Because he was about to break up with Mr. Herrick. 161 00:10:50,650 --> 00:10:52,910 And he said that he was a violent man. 162 00:10:53,690 --> 00:10:59,510 And moreover, he was not a man who would lose, who would let himself be bested. 163 00:11:00,610 --> 00:11:03,130 Marty Andelman said that he was afraid of me? 164 00:11:03,330 --> 00:11:04,330 Yes, he did. 165 00:11:04,510 --> 00:11:06,370 Afraid I would kill him? 166 00:11:06,890 --> 00:11:07,890 Yes. 167 00:11:08,810 --> 00:11:11,830 Doctor, you were treating him for mental problems? 168 00:11:12,310 --> 00:11:17,130 I am not comfortable discussing my patient's problems in open court. 169 00:11:17,730 --> 00:11:18,770 You're not comfortable? 170 00:11:18,970 --> 00:11:20,370 What are you doing sitting in that chair? 171 00:11:21,100 --> 00:11:25,000 I'm sitting here because the prosecution sent me a summons. 172 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,120 Yes, ma 'am, you will answer this man's questions. 173 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,160 Patient privilege doesn't apply anymore. 174 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,160 He suffered from paranoid personality disorder. 175 00:11:32,380 --> 00:11:35,360 You diagnosed it. A slight paranoid disorder, yes. 176 00:11:35,740 --> 00:11:42,540 I'm no doctor, certainly, but according to the Diagnostic Manual for Mental 177 00:11:42,540 --> 00:11:49,220 Disorders, a pervasive and unwarranted tendency to interpret the 178 00:11:49,220 --> 00:11:52,720 actions of people as deliberately threatening. 179 00:11:54,220 --> 00:11:56,680 Is that a fair diagnosis of the disorder? 180 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,820 Yes, but... And Mr. Andelman suffered from this disorder, slight? 181 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,920 Yes. He suffered from anything else? 182 00:12:05,220 --> 00:12:06,220 Clinical depression? 183 00:12:06,860 --> 00:12:09,160 Yes. He ever talk about suicide? 184 00:12:09,540 --> 00:12:14,080 Oh, are you now suggesting that he committed suicide, Mr. Herrick? No, 185 00:12:14,180 --> 00:12:16,640 I'm merely asking you, did he ever contemplate suicide? 186 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:18,520 Yes. 187 00:12:18,990 --> 00:12:22,650 Since you asked for my suggestion, is it a terrible leap then to say that a 188 00:12:22,650 --> 00:12:26,150 person who would consider suicide might consider homicide? 189 00:12:26,370 --> 00:12:31,110 I don't think... Doctor, my question is, is it entirely inconsistent that a 190 00:12:31,110 --> 00:12:34,810 person might be both suicidal and homicidal? 191 00:12:35,730 --> 00:12:41,290 No. One last question, then I'll let you go. I know that you will loathe to talk 192 00:12:41,290 --> 00:12:42,290 about your patients. 193 00:12:43,290 --> 00:12:47,230 Did Marty Andelman manifest a tendency toward violence? 194 00:12:49,510 --> 00:12:50,510 Yes. 195 00:12:51,370 --> 00:12:52,370 Thank you. 196 00:12:52,510 --> 00:12:53,510 That's all. 197 00:13:03,430 --> 00:13:08,610 We were just walking through the fairgrounds and suddenly he started in 198 00:13:08,610 --> 00:13:09,770 microphone. The clown? 199 00:13:10,010 --> 00:13:11,830 Yes. Do you remember what he said? 200 00:13:12,270 --> 00:13:15,530 Things like, I guess the Titanic didn't think after all. 201 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:20,000 He asked whether or not I had named the quintuplets or was I just waiting for 202 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,000 them to be born first. 203 00:13:21,900 --> 00:13:24,180 And he called me a bunch of things. 204 00:13:24,500 --> 00:13:26,940 Do you remember the things that he called you? Cow. 205 00:13:28,900 --> 00:13:29,900 Pig. 206 00:13:30,900 --> 00:13:31,900 Rhode Island. 207 00:13:34,620 --> 00:13:35,800 And then what did you do? 208 00:13:36,740 --> 00:13:39,880 I tried to smile and pretend I thought it was funny. 209 00:13:41,180 --> 00:13:43,220 Everybody else was laughing, so... 210 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,400 I just kept walking, smiling. 211 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:46,880 You walked away? 212 00:13:47,140 --> 00:13:52,220 Yes. And he said, when she turns a cheek, she really turns a cheek. 213 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,020 Marsha, were you alone? 214 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:56,620 No, I was with a man. 215 00:13:57,140 --> 00:13:58,520 I was on a first date. 216 00:13:59,420 --> 00:14:02,020 It was very embarrassing for him, too. 217 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:03,460 And then what happened? 218 00:14:03,940 --> 00:14:07,860 Well, he told me it was nothing to get upset about, and I tried to pretend it 219 00:14:07,860 --> 00:14:08,860 didn't bother me. 220 00:14:09,780 --> 00:14:13,100 But after the date, I went home. 221 00:14:13,630 --> 00:14:14,630 And I cried. 222 00:14:15,670 --> 00:14:16,670 And your date? 223 00:14:18,790 --> 00:14:20,230 I never saw him again. 224 00:14:21,710 --> 00:14:23,310 Marsha, here's the question. 225 00:14:24,510 --> 00:14:27,350 Why choose to relive this again in a courtroom? 226 00:14:28,370 --> 00:14:32,050 I went to a state fair on a Sunday afternoon. 227 00:14:33,090 --> 00:14:35,030 I was minding my own business. 228 00:14:35,290 --> 00:14:40,370 And for the entertainment of others, a carnival employee started insulting my 229 00:14:40,370 --> 00:14:42,070 physical appearance for profit. 230 00:14:42,830 --> 00:14:45,010 I am not ashamed of taking that seriously. 231 00:14:45,670 --> 00:14:50,710 When I walk down a street and people yell things at me, 232 00:14:50,790 --> 00:14:54,890 the shame should not be mine. 233 00:14:56,250 --> 00:14:57,470 It should be theirs. 234 00:15:02,850 --> 00:15:06,550 From the entry, the knife was plunged in. 235 00:15:06,890 --> 00:15:10,650 It had to have had a certain amount of velocity to it. There was no mashing of 236 00:15:10,650 --> 00:15:11,529 the skin. 237 00:15:11,530 --> 00:15:13,790 By velocity, you mean... Like this. 238 00:15:15,390 --> 00:15:18,110 It couldn't have happened in a struggle the way he says. 239 00:15:18,490 --> 00:15:19,490 Are you sure? 240 00:15:20,150 --> 00:15:24,790 He describes a situation in which both had their hands on it and were pushing. 241 00:15:25,170 --> 00:15:29,210 I'm sorry, but you don't just push a knife through a sternum. 242 00:15:30,070 --> 00:15:31,650 This was a massive blow. 243 00:15:31,990 --> 00:15:33,330 It was no struggle. 244 00:15:33,750 --> 00:15:37,070 Do you have an opinion as to how Mr. Andelman was stabbed? 245 00:15:37,550 --> 00:15:39,990 I do, based on the trajectory of the wound. 246 00:15:40,380 --> 00:15:41,620 May I show you? Of course. 247 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,940 The victim was sitting. 248 00:15:45,820 --> 00:15:48,860 The killer came up from behind him and over the top. 249 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,340 He drove the knife in, like this. 250 00:15:53,900 --> 00:15:56,220 We're talking about a lot of force here. 251 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,320 Well, the reason I have a problem, Doctor, is that you're completely wrong. 252 00:16:02,940 --> 00:16:06,780 And it leads me to ask, how many other people have been falsely convicted by 253 00:16:06,780 --> 00:16:07,780 your ridiculous theories? 254 00:16:08,260 --> 00:16:09,460 Objection. Sustained. 255 00:16:10,090 --> 00:16:14,070 Okay, look, I'm not going to debate you on forensics, trajectory, velocity 256 00:16:14,070 --> 00:16:16,970 equations. The truth is, I know nothing about any of it. 257 00:16:17,490 --> 00:16:20,310 But I certainly do know that Marty Edelman didn't die the way you say he 258 00:16:20,910 --> 00:16:21,990 Objection. Sustained. 259 00:16:22,430 --> 00:16:24,870 You're not allowed to give arguments at this point, Mr. Herrick. 260 00:16:25,330 --> 00:16:26,410 Just ask questions. 261 00:16:27,670 --> 00:16:31,130 Sir, in 1987, did you testify against a man named Alex Beauregard? 262 00:16:33,370 --> 00:16:37,870 Yes. Your testimony went to trajectory, angle of wound. It was another stabbing 263 00:16:37,870 --> 00:16:38,619 death, right? 264 00:16:38,620 --> 00:16:39,900 Yes, I believe that's correct. 265 00:16:40,100 --> 00:16:43,160 Mr. Beauregard was convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison. Yes. 266 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,900 Two years later, somebody else confessed to the crime. 267 00:16:46,860 --> 00:16:49,820 The conviction was overturned and Mr. Beauregard was released. Did you know 268 00:16:49,820 --> 00:16:51,000 that? Yes. 269 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,220 And your analysis of wound trajectory turned out to be wrong in that case, 270 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:56,280 didn't it? 271 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:01,020 Yes. A crime you essentially convicted him of with your testimony. So mistakes 272 00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:02,020 do happen. 273 00:17:02,100 --> 00:17:04,560 I'm not mistaken here, Mr. Herrick. 274 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:05,839 Mistakes do happen. 275 00:17:06,700 --> 00:17:07,700 Yes or no? 276 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:12,720 Thank you. 277 00:17:13,619 --> 00:17:14,619 Oh, one last question. 278 00:17:15,500 --> 00:17:17,380 Did you ever apologize to Mr. Beauregard? 279 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:20,280 No. 280 00:17:21,940 --> 00:17:22,940 Gee. 281 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,340 $100 ,000. That's as high as... Nope. 282 00:17:34,700 --> 00:17:36,380 Bring it up to two. I'll try to sell it. 283 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,400 200 ,000. You saw the faces on the jury. Well, the jury hasn't heard our side. 284 00:17:40,420 --> 00:17:42,840 Fine, we'll tell them your side, but 100's not enough. I'll give you the 285 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,380 answer. I gave him the answer. 286 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,780 We have to take the offer to the client. 287 00:17:48,060 --> 00:17:49,060 We'll get right back to you. 288 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:50,480 Thanks. 289 00:17:52,060 --> 00:17:55,760 Don't you undermine me, Lindsay. You can't reject an offer without making the 290 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,180 client aware of it, Eleanor. 291 00:18:02,340 --> 00:18:04,360 We'll offer manslaughter, eight years. 292 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:05,960 What? 293 00:18:08,820 --> 00:18:10,160 Manslaughter. It's a moral victory. 294 00:18:10,820 --> 00:18:11,860 But it's not a victory. 295 00:18:12,180 --> 00:18:13,580 Well, it's as good as it's gonna get. 296 00:18:14,020 --> 00:18:15,180 It's as good as you'll offer. 297 00:18:15,500 --> 00:18:16,500 I'll get better. 298 00:18:17,020 --> 00:18:18,120 Manslaughter, yes or no? 299 00:18:18,740 --> 00:18:20,920 Gee, decisions, decisions. 300 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,280 No. Joey! 301 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:24,520 I said no! 302 00:18:31,050 --> 00:18:32,050 Are you crazy? 303 00:18:32,170 --> 00:18:34,790 They're offering eight years. That's because they know they've lost. 304 00:18:35,030 --> 00:18:36,330 They've still got a great case. 305 00:18:36,650 --> 00:18:39,910 Yeah, and if you weren't in favor of me going off to prison, I might actually 306 00:18:39,910 --> 00:18:43,310 attach some credibility to your insipid little opinions. You can do what you 307 00:18:43,310 --> 00:18:46,330 want to do, but you committed cold -blooded murder and you get an offer of 308 00:18:46,330 --> 00:18:49,790 manslaughter? As sick as you are, you can't be that stupid. 309 00:18:52,870 --> 00:18:53,870 Stupid? 310 00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:59,590 Stupid would be listening to you. Touch me again and I will hurt you. 311 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,160 You think I can't or I won't? 312 00:19:02,580 --> 00:19:04,000 Then, yeah, you are stupid. 313 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,060 I don't want her on the case. Hold on. No, I don't want her. Fine, my 314 00:19:15,060 --> 00:19:18,220 malpractice premium is high enough already. Look, Lindsay, part of 315 00:19:18,220 --> 00:19:20,600 good settlement is playing hardball. Don't bully me, Eleanor. I don't need a 316 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,140 secretary. You know what? 317 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:24,480 You don't get it. 318 00:19:24,670 --> 00:19:27,870 That fat people face the discrimination. You just don't get it. And that is 319 00:19:27,870 --> 00:19:31,810 exactly why Marcia is bringing this case so people like you will get it. I'm a 320 00:19:31,810 --> 00:19:35,710 fat bigot now? I didn't say that. But while we're launching accusations of 321 00:19:35,710 --> 00:19:39,430 hypersensitivity... Come on. We're all on the same side here. You're in the 322 00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:40,430 middle of a trial. 323 00:19:40,890 --> 00:19:41,890 Work it out. 324 00:19:42,030 --> 00:19:43,030 Both of you. 325 00:19:45,250 --> 00:19:48,790 Eugene, I need you with me this morning, too. Can you come? It's just for the 326 00:19:48,790 --> 00:19:49,790 day. 327 00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:51,150 Sure. 328 00:19:52,970 --> 00:19:56,770 According to Mr. Andelman's life insurance policy, who would stand to 329 00:19:56,770 --> 00:19:57,770 the event of his death? 330 00:19:58,010 --> 00:19:59,690 The defendant, Joey Herrick. 331 00:20:00,470 --> 00:20:02,610 And how much would he stand to inherit, sir? 332 00:20:02,930 --> 00:20:04,150 $2 .3 million. 333 00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:07,390 Thank you. 334 00:20:09,250 --> 00:20:10,250 Mr. Herrick? 335 00:20:11,130 --> 00:20:12,890 No questions, Your Honor. 336 00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:14,290 You may step down. 337 00:20:15,650 --> 00:20:16,650 Ms. Gamble? 338 00:20:20,620 --> 00:20:23,520 Your Honor, the Commonwealth calls Joey Herrick. 339 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:27,600 Could she do that? 340 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,380 Your Honor, could we adjourn to chambers? 341 00:20:36,580 --> 00:20:41,660 I have a Fifth Amendment right not to testify. She can't call me as a witness. 342 00:20:41,900 --> 00:20:44,760 He has testified, Your Honor. He therefore waived his right. 343 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,140 What are you talking about? 344 00:20:46,620 --> 00:20:50,540 Mr. Herrick put facts into evidence in his opening. He told his side of the 345 00:20:50,540 --> 00:20:54,420 story. I'm entitled, therefore, to cross -examine his version of the event. 346 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,200 Opening argument is not evidence. I know that. I'm not even a lawyer. But he 347 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,600 used it to get in evidence. 348 00:20:59,860 --> 00:21:01,380 He testified in the narrative. 349 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,320 Even so, I'm not inclined to punish him for a mistake. 350 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,700 Not when it comes to his self -incrimination. 351 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:08,160 A mistake. 352 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:14,980 Do we really think he didn't know exactly what he was doing? He told his 353 00:21:14,980 --> 00:21:19,240 the story. And by not taking the stand, he figured to shield himself from cross 354 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,480 -examination. That's the whole reason he chose to represent himself. 355 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,840 So he could testify and not be subject to cross -examination. 356 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,400 You give me way too much credit. Your Honor, he said in his opening that the 357 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,260 evidence will show it was self -defense. The evidence will show that Marty 358 00:21:35,260 --> 00:21:36,380 Anelman came at him. 359 00:21:37,060 --> 00:21:38,400 Where's that evidence going to come from? 360 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,640 Mr. Herrick, do you plan to call witnesses to put those facts in? 361 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,180 How can I call witnesses? I was the only one there. 362 00:21:45,860 --> 00:21:47,540 Exactly, making you the only witness. 363 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,060 I think I agree with the district attorney. 364 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,600 You've put testimony into this trial. 365 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,140 She can cross -examine. 366 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,960 Your Honor. That's what you get, Mr. Herrick, when you choose to defend 367 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,940 yourself. You put yourself in a hole. 368 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:02,820 You'll have to dig yourself out. 369 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,000 Fine. 370 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:07,920 Helen. 371 00:22:08,590 --> 00:22:10,210 You come right at me. 372 00:22:18,130 --> 00:22:22,330 I won't deny the clown is mean -spirited. 373 00:22:23,390 --> 00:22:26,610 The truth is, that's why that booth draws the crowds. 374 00:22:27,010 --> 00:22:29,110 Because the clown is so outrageous. 375 00:22:29,630 --> 00:22:31,710 Does the carnival impose any limitations? 376 00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:37,950 Certainly. No obscene language, no picking on people with disabilities, no 377 00:22:37,950 --> 00:22:38,950 picking on kids. 378 00:22:39,250 --> 00:22:41,590 Obviously, no racial or religious remarks. 379 00:22:41,890 --> 00:22:43,210 But as to general physicality? 380 00:22:43,730 --> 00:22:45,530 Yes, it's really all about that. 381 00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:52,910 The big nose, the bald head, the bad figure, the bad clothing. His job is to 382 00:22:52,910 --> 00:22:56,870 antagonize the people so that they become angry enough that they want to 383 00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:57,870 him. 384 00:22:58,010 --> 00:23:00,970 So you do draw limitations on what your clowns can say? 385 00:23:01,430 --> 00:23:05,980 Yes. And if my colleague were to pass by, your clown wouldn't remark on his 386 00:23:05,980 --> 00:23:09,520 race? No. He would probably go right for that big bald head. 387 00:23:09,900 --> 00:23:12,000 Come on. I've been to a few comedy clubs. 388 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,620 I've heard some pretty hard -biting racist humor getting big laughs. 389 00:23:15,900 --> 00:23:18,200 I mean, if it's funny. We wouldn't allow that. 390 00:23:18,420 --> 00:23:19,039 Well, why? 391 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,780 Everybody knows it's just a clown act. What's the big deal? 392 00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:24,340 I see nothing funny in racism. 393 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,720 And I don't tolerate it in any form at any one of my carnivals. 394 00:23:27,980 --> 00:23:30,900 So you do see something funny in fat people? 395 00:23:31,230 --> 00:23:34,830 You'll tolerate making fun of fat people, yes? 396 00:23:36,410 --> 00:23:41,850 Yes. And, Mr. Johnson, your tolerance of this kind of abuse, is it that you're 397 00:23:41,850 --> 00:23:45,210 unaware of the hurt you cause to people like my client, or is it that you just 398 00:23:45,210 --> 00:23:47,170 disregard that kind of pain? 399 00:23:47,550 --> 00:23:50,390 We never meant to hurt your client, Ms. Frutz. 400 00:23:50,610 --> 00:23:52,370 Are you aware that you did hurt her? 401 00:23:52,790 --> 00:23:56,530 Obviously, we're aware now. And since you became aware of it, that these words 402 00:23:56,530 --> 00:23:58,830 hurt, have you instructed your clown? 403 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:00,860 stop ridiculing fat people? 404 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:03,880 No. 405 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,960 Her whole plan will be to get to that other murder. 406 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:11,700 The judge suppressed that. 407 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,560 But if she somehow gets you to open the door on it, she can get it admitted. 408 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,360 What do you mean, open the door? 409 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,920 Well, she'll ask, what do you mean Marty had a temper? 410 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,440 She wants you to answer that he threatened to kill Peter Feynman. 411 00:24:24,660 --> 00:24:28,160 If you give any inkling of anything to do with that other case, 412 00:24:29,610 --> 00:24:30,610 It'll get in. 413 00:24:30,650 --> 00:24:33,910 The jury will learn that you killed somebody else, and if that happens, you 414 00:24:33,910 --> 00:24:35,030 kiss your ass goodbye, Joey. 415 00:24:39,870 --> 00:24:40,870 Okay. 416 00:24:42,590 --> 00:24:47,070 Joey, she is very good. 417 00:24:50,670 --> 00:24:53,570 Any evidence that Mr. Andelman could be homicidal? 418 00:24:53,930 --> 00:24:55,970 You heard his own psychiatrist say so. 419 00:24:56,430 --> 00:24:58,150 Yes. Well, any other evidence? 420 00:24:58,490 --> 00:25:00,370 Did you ever see such homicidal tendencies? 421 00:25:01,010 --> 00:25:02,010 Yes. When? 422 00:25:02,250 --> 00:25:03,930 The night he tried to kill me. 423 00:25:04,150 --> 00:25:05,530 The night you killed him? 424 00:25:06,530 --> 00:25:07,610 In self -defense. 425 00:25:08,010 --> 00:25:09,370 Did he ever threaten to kill you before? 426 00:25:09,670 --> 00:25:11,910 No. Did he ever threaten to kill anybody else? 427 00:25:12,150 --> 00:25:16,090 I believe for the purpose of this trial, the judge has instructed us not to talk 428 00:25:16,090 --> 00:25:20,070 about any other occasion where he may have or may have not threatened to kill 429 00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:21,070 anybody else. 430 00:25:21,270 --> 00:25:22,270 That's right. 431 00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:26,550 You say he came at you with the knife. 432 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,880 Yes. And you thought he would kill you? 433 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,320 Yes. So you decided to kill him instead? 434 00:25:32,940 --> 00:25:35,020 Well... You didn't first try to get the knife away? 435 00:25:35,260 --> 00:25:38,000 Yes, of course I did, but I couldn't. And you struggled? Yes. 436 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:43,540 Tell me, at what point during the struggle did you say to yourself, I'm 437 00:25:43,540 --> 00:25:44,259 kill him? 438 00:25:44,260 --> 00:25:45,260 I never... 439 00:25:45,340 --> 00:25:50,600 decided to kill him, Ms. Gamble. My intent was for him not to kill me. Yes, 440 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,660 to accomplish that, you decided you would kill him. That isn't so. Mr. 441 00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:58,000 you said yourself you intended to kill him. You grabbed the knife. 442 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,380 I said I killed him in self -defense. 443 00:26:00,700 --> 00:26:04,940 Yes, and that is a deliberate act. You deliberately killed him. It was a 444 00:26:04,940 --> 00:26:06,500 struggle. Are you listening? 445 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,840 Mr. Herrick. Eric, you can't have it both ways. 446 00:26:09,060 --> 00:26:13,440 Were you trying to wrestle the knife away or were you trying to kill him? I 447 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,340 trying to wrestle the knife away when it went into him. You thrust it into him. 448 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:20,580 It went into him during the struggle. It went in by accident? Yes. 449 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,640 I never intended to kill him. How many ways can I say it? 450 00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:26,400 You said it perfectly. 451 00:26:36,490 --> 00:26:38,690 Have you ever stabbed and killed anybody else, Mr. Herrick? 452 00:26:40,350 --> 00:26:42,830 Did you not hear my question, Mr. Herrick? 453 00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:44,669 Your Honor? 454 00:26:44,670 --> 00:26:49,210 Your Honor, you ruled if he argued accident, the other case would be 455 00:26:49,470 --> 00:26:51,150 Well, he just argued accident. 456 00:26:51,770 --> 00:26:55,830 Objection. I'll allow it. Now, wait a second. Mr. Donald, sit down. 457 00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:58,950 Have you ever killed anybody else by stabbing Mr. 458 00:26:59,190 --> 00:27:00,390 Herrick? That's suppressed. 459 00:27:01,270 --> 00:27:02,810 Your Honor, that's suppressed. 460 00:27:03,030 --> 00:27:04,030 Not anymore. 461 00:27:04,330 --> 00:27:08,410 Did you kill a former lover by stabbing him in the chest with a knife? Yes or 462 00:27:08,410 --> 00:27:09,410 no, sir? 463 00:27:10,130 --> 00:27:14,630 All right, well, I'll just keep asking until I get an answer. Did you kill a 464 00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:18,310 former lover by stabbing him to his death with a kitchen knife? 465 00:27:18,570 --> 00:27:21,490 Did you kill a former lover by... I plead Fifth Amendment. 466 00:27:22,090 --> 00:27:26,230 You can't do that, sir. See, you were already granted immunity on that. So the 467 00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:28,530 Fifth Amendment isn't available to you now. 468 00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:34,090 Let me ask again. Did you kill City Councilman Peter Feynman by stabbing him 469 00:27:34,090 --> 00:27:36,370 his death with a kitchen knife? 470 00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:39,850 Yes or no? Did you kill... I don't remember. 471 00:27:42,150 --> 00:27:43,230 You don't remember? 472 00:27:45,490 --> 00:27:48,410 Did you testify under oath that you killed him? 473 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,460 Your Honor, I have no more questions. 474 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,280 Mr. Herrick, you may step down. 475 00:28:14,660 --> 00:28:16,440 Mr. Herrick, you may step down. 476 00:28:18,340 --> 00:28:19,860 I think I should tell now. 477 00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:23,120 Could we adjourn, please? I want to tell! 478 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,400 Your Honor. 479 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:26,840 Mr. Herrick? 480 00:28:28,380 --> 00:28:29,980 Do you know where you are? 481 00:28:30,940 --> 00:28:32,240 I'm in deep trouble. 482 00:28:34,980 --> 00:28:36,400 I want to tell. 483 00:28:37,820 --> 00:28:41,160 I did kill Peter Feynman. 484 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,800 But I didn't kill Marty. 485 00:28:46,340 --> 00:28:47,640 He killed himself. 486 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,920 I beg your pardon? 487 00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:54,620 He framed me. 488 00:28:55,340 --> 00:28:58,720 That would be going to some length to get somebody in trouble, don't you 489 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,460 We were breaking up, but I was leaving him. 490 00:29:06,820 --> 00:29:09,660 He picked up the kitchen knife and he started laughing. 491 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,740 They're all going to think you did it, Joey. 492 00:29:15,340 --> 00:29:20,340 You killed Peter this way, and when they find me in your apartment with a knife 493 00:29:20,340 --> 00:29:23,180 in my chest, they'll all blame you. 494 00:29:24,970 --> 00:29:26,090 And he laughed some more. 495 00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:29,390 You'll never get the insurance money. 496 00:29:31,650 --> 00:29:34,510 Because they'll all think you did it and you'll be in jail. 497 00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:40,130 And even if they learn the truth, my insurance doesn't cover suicide. And he 498 00:29:40,130 --> 00:29:41,390 smiled at me. 499 00:29:44,690 --> 00:29:48,110 And he said, I finally got you, Joey. 500 00:29:49,090 --> 00:29:52,670 I bested you. I win. You lose. 501 00:29:56,910 --> 00:30:00,870 And with that, he thrust the knife into his chest. 502 00:30:05,950 --> 00:30:10,310 Then why did you claim it was self -defense? 503 00:30:10,830 --> 00:30:12,330 Nobody beats me. 504 00:30:15,030 --> 00:30:17,150 I wasn't going to let him win. 505 00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:22,370 Self -defense, I still get the money. 506 00:30:24,170 --> 00:30:28,410 But even if I... didn't, I wasn't gonna let you win. 507 00:30:33,950 --> 00:30:36,690 Your Honor, we need to call one more witness. 508 00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:39,590 I couldn't let him win. 509 00:30:45,630 --> 00:30:52,490 When you form a conclusion about people based on appearance, it's 510 00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:53,490 bigotry. 511 00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:55,070 It's prejudice. 512 00:30:55,950 --> 00:30:59,970 And as politically correct as this country has become, the prejudice 513 00:30:59,970 --> 00:31:03,510 people, well, that one's not so bad, is it? 514 00:31:03,730 --> 00:31:04,950 I mean, we're to blame. 515 00:31:05,310 --> 00:31:09,050 It's our own fault. We must eat too much. We're lazy. We're not disciplined. 516 00:31:09,290 --> 00:31:10,290 We're sloppy. 517 00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:12,650 You know, I was at a movie theater once. 518 00:31:13,090 --> 00:31:16,430 And they showed a fat person at the beach in a bathing suit. 519 00:31:16,770 --> 00:31:23,770 And the audience openly cringed and groaned. And nobody, nobody was ashamed 520 00:31:23,770 --> 00:31:24,770 do so. 521 00:31:25,230 --> 00:31:31,830 You see, every billboard, every fashion magazine tells us to be ashamed of our 522 00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:33,510 bodies. Be thin. Be thin. 523 00:31:35,210 --> 00:31:37,690 Would my client like to be thinner? I don't know. 524 00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:39,990 I can tell you I certainly would. 525 00:31:40,410 --> 00:31:41,850 Does she struggle with her weight? 526 00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:44,570 I don't know. I can tell you I do. 527 00:31:46,290 --> 00:31:49,650 But does that mean we should be ashamed of our bodies? 528 00:31:50,790 --> 00:31:51,790 Absolutely not. 529 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,800 I don't expect the bigotry to end with the wave of a wand. 530 00:31:56,500 --> 00:32:01,740 It has been going on for so long, it's going to take a long time to stop it. 531 00:32:03,140 --> 00:32:09,580 But if we are to stop it, we need a beginning for somebody, one jury, 532 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:14,160 to say that it is prejudice and that it is not okay. 533 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,200 This is a very, very brave woman. 534 00:32:22,990 --> 00:32:24,090 I so admire her. 535 00:32:27,510 --> 00:32:31,730 And I promise you, it was not easy for her to come into this courtroom. 536 00:32:38,510 --> 00:32:42,930 Please help her to give the courage to other fat people to stand up and say, 537 00:32:43,170 --> 00:32:44,430 enough. 538 00:32:52,750 --> 00:32:55,530 Well, we seem to threw over everything these days, don't we? 539 00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:59,750 Wrongful termination, sexual harassment. 540 00:33:00,450 --> 00:33:02,890 Now it's just insults. 541 00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:08,350 What about the Little League game where the third baseman taunts the batter? 542 00:33:08,570 --> 00:33:11,470 What about the movie that shows the fat woman on the beach? 543 00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:16,550 What about the movies and the TV shows that ridicule someone's appearance? What 544 00:33:16,550 --> 00:33:17,550 are we going to do? 545 00:33:18,390 --> 00:33:19,410 Shut them down? 546 00:33:21,930 --> 00:33:27,370 The cattleman sued Oprah for criticizing a hamburger. 547 00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:30,890 Where and when is this going to stop? 548 00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:33,790 I don't like the clown bit. 549 00:33:34,290 --> 00:33:35,850 I thought it was insensitive. 550 00:33:38,270 --> 00:33:42,050 But this guy was dressed up as a clown. 551 00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:47,870 He's running off to court every time your feelings are hurt. Come on. 552 00:33:50,350 --> 00:33:53,130 We're becoming a nation of victims. 553 00:33:54,990 --> 00:33:55,990 Who's next? 554 00:34:04,690 --> 00:34:06,770 You have to trust me now, Joey. 555 00:34:06,970 --> 00:34:10,630 I'm taking over, I call the shots, and you have to trust me. 556 00:34:11,370 --> 00:34:12,929 Why do you even want to help me? 557 00:34:13,590 --> 00:34:14,889 I'm not sure that I even do. 558 00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:19,310 But I'm on this case, and I have to make the legal decisions that I think are 559 00:34:19,310 --> 00:34:25,719 necessary. Now, Dr. Jordan, he won't agree to testify unless you wear hand 560 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:26,719 leg restraints. 561 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,500 Why? He doesn't think that you'll be able to tolerate some of his testimony. 562 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:41,199 How long did you treat Joey Herrick? 563 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:48,100 Almost six years. Is it possible that the man sitting there would rather face 564 00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:49,199 murder charges? 565 00:34:49,929 --> 00:34:52,429 Then admit he was outsmarted. 566 00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:56,130 Not only is it possible, I would consider it almost probable. 567 00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:58,450 What kind of narcissism are we talking about here? 568 00:34:58,650 --> 00:35:01,270 The same kind of narcissism that prevented you raising insanity. 569 00:35:01,610 --> 00:35:04,690 This man needs to believe he is mentally superior. 570 00:35:05,470 --> 00:35:06,470 Look at him. 571 00:35:06,910 --> 00:35:10,970 He sits there, half dead, not because he's looking at a conviction. He 572 00:35:10,970 --> 00:35:12,510 doesn't even care about that. 573 00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:19,610 He's neocatatonic because that woman tricked him. She outmaneuvered him. 574 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:25,180 On this witness stand, any punishment you give him won't be as bad as what 575 00:35:25,180 --> 00:35:26,240 suffering right now. 576 00:35:29,340 --> 00:35:30,700 This is a bit much for me. 577 00:35:31,540 --> 00:35:32,620 I don't doubt that. 578 00:35:34,660 --> 00:35:40,480 The man's willing to risk a life term in prison rather than just say, gee, my 579 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,560 lover one -upped me by trying to kill himself. 580 00:35:43,140 --> 00:35:48,560 Trying to make sense of him is futile, Miss Gamble. He is an acute 581 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,060 Disorder. He needs to win. 582 00:35:51,780 --> 00:35:55,480 And would that need to win apply to this trial, Doctor? 583 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,198 Excuse me? 584 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,160 Wouldn't Joey feel an overwhelming need to win this trial? 585 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,040 Yes, he would. 586 00:36:02,140 --> 00:36:03,940 And he's a brilliant man, isn't he? 587 00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:05,700 He's a genius. 588 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,920 Given his genius and his need to win, is it possible, after I caught him on the 589 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,860 stand, is it possible that he manufactured this wonderful story about 590 00:36:15,860 --> 00:36:16,860 killing himself? 591 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:20,700 That is possible. 592 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,160 Does it have to make sense, this kind of narcissistic disorder? 593 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,480 It defies sense or logic. 594 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:35,600 As Dr. Jordan testified, a narcissist can't bear criticism of any kind. 595 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,840 Imagine when the man he loved looked him in the eye, smiled at him and said, 596 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,060 I've outsmarted you. 597 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,360 I schemed you out of your insurance money. I beat you. 598 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,800 This man doesn't. 599 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,080 Lose. 600 00:36:50,340 --> 00:36:51,420 No, he doesn't. 601 00:36:51,860 --> 00:36:54,520 And he wasn't going to lose this one, was he? 602 00:36:55,620 --> 00:36:59,380 He orchestrated an immunity agreement after the first murder. 603 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,440 And here he is today. 604 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,720 Suddenly saying that the second victim took his own life. 605 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,020 Maybe his best mind game of all. 606 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,500 Well, how can anybody be sure? 607 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,080 You heard his story. It sounded real. And he was the only one there. 608 00:37:16,430 --> 00:37:21,150 And a treating doctor said his story is not only possible, it is probable. 609 00:37:23,410 --> 00:37:28,330 Probable. And the victim's doctor testified that Marty Anderman did show 610 00:37:28,330 --> 00:37:29,370 suicidal tendencies. 611 00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:31,750 You heard that. 612 00:37:32,690 --> 00:37:37,650 Joey Herrick laughed after the first murder. He's laughing at me now. The 613 00:37:37,650 --> 00:37:40,790 remaining question, does he get to laugh at you? 614 00:37:50,060 --> 00:37:51,060 Please be seated. 615 00:37:51,380 --> 00:37:53,980 The Honorable Adam Clark presiding. 616 00:38:03,380 --> 00:38:05,500 Madam foreperson, we'll hear from you. 617 00:38:09,780 --> 00:38:14,740 In the matter of Marcia Belson versus New England Carnival Company on the 618 00:38:14,740 --> 00:38:17,300 of intentional infliction of emotional distress. 619 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:23,760 We find in favor of the plaintiff and order the defendant to pay damages in 620 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,220 amount of $330 ,000. 621 00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:32,360 The jury is dismissed with the thanks of the court. We're adjourned. 622 00:38:40,740 --> 00:38:43,840 If you tell anybody I cried, I'd break your head. 623 00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:45,100 I understand. 624 00:39:24,170 --> 00:39:26,750 Members of the jury, you have your verdict? 625 00:39:27,590 --> 00:39:28,590 We do, Your Honor. 626 00:39:30,050 --> 00:39:31,710 Will the defendant please rise? 627 00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:40,270 What say you? 628 00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:44,450 In the matter of the Commonwealth v. Joseph Herrick on the charge of murder 629 00:39:44,450 --> 00:39:48,730 the first degree, we find the defendant, Joseph Herrick, not guilty. 630 00:39:56,330 --> 00:39:57,630 The defendant is free to go. 631 00:39:59,610 --> 00:40:02,810 Members of the jury, thank you for your service. We'll adjourn. 632 00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:36,150 Several of the jurors' polls say they really do think he committed the murder, 633 00:40:36,330 --> 00:40:38,250 but they just couldn't be positive. 634 00:40:38,530 --> 00:40:44,070 The only thing we can be sure of, as of right now, Joey Herrick is once again a 635 00:40:44,070 --> 00:40:45,069 free man. 636 00:40:45,070 --> 00:40:46,070 Thank you, Robert. 637 00:40:46,270 --> 00:40:49,770 Elsewhere today, a fiery midair collision took the life of a Lincoln. 638 00:40:50,210 --> 00:40:53,890 I should keep some of this stuff. 639 00:40:54,530 --> 00:40:57,570 Souvenirs. Research. Can't tell you I'll need it again. 640 00:40:58,150 --> 00:41:01,390 Joey, get some help. 641 00:41:03,070 --> 00:41:05,110 It was just so hard to find, Bobby. 642 00:41:06,270 --> 00:41:08,310 Well, still here. 643 00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:11,370 Thought you'd be out placing a personal by now. 644 00:41:11,950 --> 00:41:12,950 Cute. 645 00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:15,210 Failed at love twice. 646 00:41:15,790 --> 00:41:17,550 Willing to take another stab. 647 00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:18,990 Forever yours. 648 00:41:19,710 --> 00:41:23,910 Lovesick. Kind of gets you right here, doesn't it? 649 00:41:24,410 --> 00:41:25,670 I know you're a murderer. 650 00:41:26,830 --> 00:41:30,510 Yes. But do you know I killed Marty? 651 00:41:32,110 --> 00:41:33,350 I'll tell you this, Dorothy. 652 00:41:34,310 --> 00:41:38,050 When you had me on the stand, you really had me. 653 00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:41,350 I got sexually stimulated a little. 654 00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:47,450 Yeah, I could have wanted to deny that Marty killed himself, but I couldn't 655 00:41:47,450 --> 00:41:49,350 the idea of losing to him. 656 00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:51,150 Oh, you're right. 657 00:41:51,930 --> 00:41:56,430 I could have made it all up to avoid losing to you. 658 00:41:58,110 --> 00:41:59,890 It's so damn confusing. 659 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,200 Or narcissism. 660 00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:06,100 Touch a bugger. 661 00:42:06,820 --> 00:42:09,260 You can't live with it, but you can day.