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[camera shutter clicks]
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[camera shutter clicks]
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[camera shutter clicks]
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[camera shutter clicks]
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[breathing laboriously]
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[grunts softly]
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[inhaling deeply]
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[door opens]
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{\an8}Are you in pain?
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{\an8}Here.
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{\an8}[exhales]
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{\an8}[machine beeping]
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[Gibson] We've seen fragments before.
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Bits of pages
that didn't burn in the car...
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enough to confirm that he kept journals.
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But... nothing like this.
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Nothing so extensive, nothing so detailed.
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I'd put it to Spector that,
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between the strangulation of Rose
and the murder of Fiona Gallagher,
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that there must have been other attacks.
Though he...
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said that there were no other attacks,
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that Fiona Gallagher was his first murder.
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During that gap in time
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he suggested that he always had
a project to work on.
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Are these those projects?
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"A.S."
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Might live in the Holylands area?
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Who might be a journalist?
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Who seems to wake up late every day
and skip breakfast?
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Who wears a cream robe after her bath...
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and sometimes doesn't completely close
her bedroom curtains?
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Or... "R.W."
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Who cycles to the university
most days off?
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Somewhere in the Lisburn Road?
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Always brings her lunch with her
and eats in the Botanic Gardens?
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Who has clear, pale skin,
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wears close-fitting clothes and walks
with a short stride that Spector likes?
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Where on the continuum of his violence
do these journals fit?
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Are they just fantasies
that sustain him...
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feed his appetites?
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Or are they a record...
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of nine more murders?
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[Walden] What time of day is it?
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Morning, afternoon, night?
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Morning.
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[Walden] Where are we?
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Uh, Belfast General Hospital.
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Can you remember the name of your nurse?
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Kiera.
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Are you married?
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- Or do you have a partner?
- I'm married.
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[Walden] Can you remember
any other family members?
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Sally Ann has a father, John...
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and a mother, Carol.
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We call her CC.
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And what about you?
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- Me?
- Do you have any family?
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- No.
- [Walden] Why is that?
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My mother died.
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[Walden] And what about your father?
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When I was growing up
he was known as Peter Baldwin.
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I thought that man was my real father...
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until he left us.
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My mother told me
that he wasn't my real father...
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He was just a man.
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When did you become Paul Spector?
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[Spector grunts softly]
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Just before I met Sally Ann.
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And why did you change?
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Wanted a... clean start.
New life.
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Why is that?
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I'm not sure.
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Has that new life worked for you?
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[Gibson] The sheer volume of garments
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suggests there were very many
fetish burglaries at that time.
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His journals talk of...
climbing scaffolding...
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finding windows open, doors unlocked,
alarms not set.
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I took this photograph to be of a woman.
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On closer inspection...
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it's clear it's a mannequin.
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And these pictures of him...
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The bondage...
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the auto-asphyxiation...
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introduce a new element
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to our understanding
of his sexual behavior.
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[Walden] Has any, uh, information
returned to you
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over the last 12 hours voluntarily?
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Don't think so.
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Hold this in your hand.
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Keep it safe.
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Will you give it back to me
in 15 minutes' time?
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Yes.
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Who's the British Prime Minister?
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Tony Blair.
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Have you heard of Facebook?
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- Yes.
- And what is it?
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It's, um... It's a social networking site.
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And what about Twitter?
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Dunno what that is.
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So you don't know what a tweet is?
Or tweeting?
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Is it the sound a bird makes?
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What's a hashtag?
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No idea.
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Presumably I'm supposed to know
what these things are?
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Maybe.
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The main thing is that we identify
and find these women.
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Use the initials.
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Look at solved or unsolved
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sexually-motivated murders
or attempted murders,
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particularly strangulations
occurring in homes and apartments.
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Check missing persons
for suspected foul play.
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We need to know if these women
are alive or dead.
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I think that's all,
unless there's anything else?
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We've confirmed the list
of children's homes Spector was in
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following the death of his mother.
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We have lists of all his fellow pupils
including those at Gortnacul.
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[Gibson] Any news on the Benedetto girl?
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Uh, uniforms called at her house
this morning, ma'am.
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She didn't come home last night.
Her mother has no idea where she is.
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A warrant's been issued for her arrest.
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Thank you all.
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[Walden] What's the last
full day you remember?
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It was with Olivia.
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Go on.
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Erm... I took her to her playgroup...
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a musical playgroup.
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She loves dancing.
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And, uh, we'll sing songs...
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"Wheels on the Bus."
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She touches all the right places
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when she does
"Head, Shoulders, Knees and Toes."
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Then we... went for lunch in the park.
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She was pedaling on her tricycle.
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There's a pair of swans
on the water there...
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nine or ten babies.
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Ugly ducklings.
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She was talking loads.
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She's always getting me
to play make-believe with her.
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It sounds to me like Olivia
is about two years old?
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Yeah.
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But she isn't, is she?
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[Walden] Can you describe
what the memory loss feels like to you?
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Well...
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Feels like it's nighttime and...
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there's a thunderstorm
and I'm standing on a hillside...
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and I've been asked to draw a map
of the valley below.
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There's lightning flashes
that light up the land, but...
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but only for a few seconds,
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not long enough to draw the map.
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Can you recall who you are?
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In the sense of what you were like
and what you're like now?
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Your trait characteristics?
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Um...
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I'm told I have a son.
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I have no reason to think
that people are lying to me, but...
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I don't feel it.
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I'm told I'm in trouble with the police.
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Don't know what I've done.
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I think that I... I might be different...
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but... I don't know why.
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I feel like I'm an all right person?
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It'll all come back to me, won't it?
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Your anterograde memory is working well.
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Anything else you've forgotten,
you can relearn.
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But the ownership is gone?
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[car lock clicks]
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[cell phone ringing]
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- Gibson.
- Patrick Spencer.
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ICU consultant, Belfast General Hospital.
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Thank you for calling me back, Doctor.
I understand he's conscious?
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Yes. His physiology is normalizing.
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He's cardiovascularly stable,
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and has made good progress,
given the massive insult
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and blood loss from
the bullet wounds... [inhales]
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But?
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But... there is an issue.
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Although his short-term memory
seems to be functioning adequately...
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it seems Mr. Spector has suffered
quite extensive long-term memory loss.
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[sighs softly]
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[Sheridan] Okay.
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I'm just gonna move your legs
to the edge of the bed here.
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[murmuring] Okay.
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Okay, here we go.
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[Spencer grunting]
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[strains]
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Keep going. Right, yeah.
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- Yeah.
- [grunts]
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Okay, that's good. Well done.
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[Gibson] Apparently, he's docile.
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Well-oriented in time and space.
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And has established good relations
with his doctors and nurses.
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Oh, for pity's sake.
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Seems he can acquire new information
and keep track of his medical procedures,
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but that he has almost no recollection
of the events
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that have taken place
over the last six years or so.
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[Burns] Are we supposed
to be taking this seriously?
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I think we have to.
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[Lowden] Are they linking this...
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this impairment directly to the shooting?
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The nature of the amnesia
has not been established yet.
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It... It might be organic,
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an injury to the brain
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because of blood loss
or resultant lack of oxygen.
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Or it could be psychogenic...
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A result perhaps of trauma.
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But until they do an MRI scan,
they can't really say.
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So perform the MRI scan.
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Spector has retained metal fragments
from the bullet in his body.
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If they contain iron,
the fragments can be heated up
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and the magnet can drag them
through the body
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and cause more organ damage.
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Are they conducting
psychological tests yet?
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[Gibson] Yes, they are.
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The consultant neuropsychologist
is an Alison Walden.
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[Greenfield] But Jim's right.
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He must be feigning surely?
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Or at the very least
exaggerating his symptoms?
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To what end?
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The law does not concern itself
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with the present state of mind
of the criminal defendant,
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only with the state of mind
at the time the crime was committed
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and Spector's was clearly conveyed
in his confession.
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He clearly understood the difference
between right and wrong
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at the time of the crimes,
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and therefore,
he will be held accountable.
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But it is founded
on memory-based evidence.
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If he's saying that he can't remember
any of the crimes,
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it poses all sorts of problems
for the courts.
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It's almost like he's claiming
that he's innocent.
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It seems there's more than usual pressure
to build the evidential case against him.
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That's precisely what we're doing, sir.
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What will happen to him
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if the defense does ask
for a mental health assessment?
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His potential dangerousness suggests
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a forensic unit
rather than a hospital ward.
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And where would that be?
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The Foyle Clinic in East Belfast.
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[Gibson] Who will assess him?
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[Lowden] A Gus Larson.
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He's the consultant forensic psychiatrist.
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Very experienced, very used to giving
expert testimony in court.
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The sooner we get him
out of the hands of the medics
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and back into the justice system,
the better.
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[Spencer] Thanks, Alison.
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Kiera Sheridan,
Mr. Spector's dedicated nurse.
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She provides him with one-to-one care.
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She will limit your visit
if patient status warrants it.
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- Thank you.
- She'll show you in.
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[Lowden] What about the wife?
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I'm worried about her.
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It's obviously been
a devastating blow to her,
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as it would be to anyone
who seems to have had no real suspicions.
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But there's no possibility
of her repeating the offense.
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She's admitted her guilt,
she's corrected the facts.
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She might even end up
being a witness for the prosecution.
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I think we should drop the charges.
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If she'd told the truth in the first place
about Spector's whereabouts...
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then we could have
investigated him more closely,
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and perhaps Rose Stagg would not have been
put through the ordeal that she has.
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I just feel... that pursuing her
through the courts
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will likely have a very bad effect
on her mental and physical health.
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Is prosecution...
really in the public interest?
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As director of public prosecutions,
I have to say, I think it is.
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00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,759
How things will unfold
with Spector is unclear.
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Prosecuting his wife
sends a clear signal.
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We mean business... and no one involved
will be getting off lightly.
267
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,440
Sally Ann Spector miscarried
in police custody.
268
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That's a devastating thing to happen
to any woman... but particularly her.
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Her identity is wrapped up in her children
and those that she cares for.
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She's perceived as an angel by the parents
of the babies she looks after in the NICU.
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00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,959
Now it appears
as if she's lost everything,
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her marriage, her work, her unborn child.
273
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She's paid a very high price
for her naivety.
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[Burns] I can't believe
that of all people,
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you are suggesting that we treat
Sally Ann paternalistically.
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Now I say we move ahead with the charges.
277
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And we can use them
as leverage against Spector.
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I do think we need to bear in mind
the seriousness of the offense.
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[Healy] We accepted instructions
on your behalf
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from your wife when you were unconscious.
281
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,359
Today is an opportunity
for you to say if you are
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happy for us to be representing you.
283
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I believe that the nature of your injuries
has been explained to you?
284
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,079
Yes.
285
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,360
And you understand that you were
in police custody when you were shot?
286
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,239
Yes, but I still don't know why.
287
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,760
No one will tell me.
288
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An individual called James Tyler
was responsible.
289
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[Spector] I don't know who that is.
290
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,080
Why did he shoot me?
291
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,600
I need to get more information
from the police before I can explain that.
292
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,760
The more pressing issue, Mr. Spector...
293
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is that the police have charged you
with a number of very serious crimes.
294
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I mean... the most serious crimes
on the statute book.
295
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,439
What crimes?
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A series of murders.
297
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,200
Well, what sort of murders?
298
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With your permission, let me take you
through the police charge sheet.
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00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,960
All the alleged crimes took place
in Belfast.
300
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,879
The police claim that
on the 10th day of December, 2011,
301
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,519
you murdered university lecturer
Fiona Gallagher, in her home,
302
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,480
before fleeing the scene.
303
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,160
Death by strangulation.
304
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,200
And on the 15th of March, 2012...
305
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,959
you murdered architect Alice Monroe,
in her home,
306
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,000
strangling her with a ligature.
307
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,079
They allege that you then washed
and dried her body,
308
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,159
before putting her back to bed
and posing her body.
309
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,679
That on the 16th of April, 2012,
310
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,039
you murdered solicitor Sarah Kay,
in her home,
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00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,920
strangling her with a ligature.
312
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,440
They allege that you washed
and dried Sarah's body...
313
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,840
washed and dried her bedclothes...
314
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,839
painted her fingernails red...
315
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,320
before posing her in her bed
and taking photographs.
316
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,520
Sarah Kay was pregnant
at the time of her death.
317
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,639
[exhales sharply]
318
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,880
[Healy] That four days later,
on the 20th of April, 2012...
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00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,640
you attacked and strangled
accountant Annie Brawley, in her home.
320
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:23,719
They claim that you also murdered
her brother, Joseph Brawley,
321
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,879
when he tried to defend his sister,
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00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:30,119
stabbing him three times
with some decorating shears.
323
00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:32,599
You then fled the scene.
324
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,840
Annie Brawley survived the attack.
325
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,279
I don't recognize any of these people.
326
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,120
I've never seen these people before.
327
00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:46,520
There's more.
328
00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:50,919
They allege that on May the 3rd,
329
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,200
you abducted Rose Stagg from her home...
330
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,719
imprisoned her unlawfully,
331
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,840
and detained her against her will.
332
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,880
[Spector] I know her.
333
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,520
- Rose what? Who did you say?
- [Wallace] Stagg.
334
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,280
Perhaps you know Mrs. Stagg
better as Rose McGill?
335
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,520
Yes.
336
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,640
But I... I haven't seen her...
in the last four years or so.
337
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,600
When did you last see her do you think?
338
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,919
Early summer.
339
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,280
2002.
340
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,079
2002 is ten years ago, not four.
341
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,199
Have you been listening to the charges,
Mr. Spector?
342
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,480
It's May 2012.
343
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,080
I'm sorry.
344
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,520
I'm sorry.
345
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,720
What happened to Rose?
346
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,119
She's alive.
347
00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:03,719
[inhales deeply]
348
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,880
The police say you led them to her.
349
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,239
She was found in the boot of her own car.
350
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,079
The police suggest you left her trapped.
351
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,760
Left her to die.
352
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,360
Why would I do that to Rose?
353
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,480
[water running]
354
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,320
[Healy] The police say
they have a confession.
355
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,800
That you made a number of admissions.
356
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,959
I've, um... no memory of that.
357
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,159
[Wallace] We think it makes sense
358
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,079
for your first appearance in court
to be as soon as possible
359
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,639
because it will initiate
the evidential disclosure process.
360
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,840
Will you be strong enough?
361
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,599
Once we are in receipt of those documents,
362
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,799
we will look at the detail
of that confession
363
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,479
and take you through
every bit of evidence against you,
364
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,880
every witness statement,
page by page, line by line.
365
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,760
Is that all clear?
366
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:22,600
Yes.
367
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,040
Any questions?
368
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,799
I just need some time
for it all to sink in.
369
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,000
[Healy] 'Course.
370
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,840
Do you know who that is?
371
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,080
No.
372
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:48,479
Should I?
373
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,319
[Healy] If any memories
relevant to the case return to you,
374
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,880
please contact Louise here.
375
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,200
[clears throat] We're here to help you,
Mr. Spector.
376
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,079
We will guide you through this.
377
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,600
[Spector] Thank you.
378
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,160
[knock on door]
379
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,680
Sorry, ma'am.
Rose Stagg is here to see you.
380
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,719
Set up an interview room, Dani.
381
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,080
I'd like you to sit in.
382
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,160
Of course.
383
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,119
[Rose] I woke to find him in bed with me.
384
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,679
[gasps]
385
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,200
[muffled screaming]
386
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,359
He took me downstairs,
his hand over my mouth,
387
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,280
he took me into the kitchen.
388
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,440
Go on.
389
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,560
He used my name.
390
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,400
He called me Rose.
391
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:38,800
[sighs]
392
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,040
[Rose] I thought
perhaps I recognized the voice.
393
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,359
[groaning softly]
394
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,800
[Rose] He said he didn't want to hurt me
or my lovely family...
395
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,120
but that he would if I cried out.
396
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,640
And then he released me.
397
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,720
And when I turned around,
I recognized him.
398
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,320
[Gibson] What did you think
in that moment?
399
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,920
[Rose] Just for a moment...
400
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,720
I thought that maybe
it would be all right.
401
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,320
That maybe it was a joke... a game.
402
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,440
[exhales]
403
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,640
What did you say?
404
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,960
I just said, "Peter?"
405
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,040
[Rose sighs]
406
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,840
He... he made me dress from clothes
that were hanging in the utility room.
407
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,920
And he made me write a note.
He told me what to put.
408
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,040
The house seemed so silent.
409
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,800
The sound of the pen on the paper
seemed really loud in my head.
410
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,680
Like a whooshing.
411
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,079
[breath trembling]
412
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,480
All I could think about was getting him
out of there, away from Nancy.
413
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,200
Did you resist him at all?
414
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,400
Uh, I was numb.
415
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,039
I didn't really struggle
416
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,120
until he was walking me
towards that awful building.
417
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,480
I thought, "If he takes me in there...
418
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,120
I'm gonna die.
419
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,160
I'm gonna be the next victim."
420
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,960
That's when I tried to run.
421
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,120
But he was too strong.
422
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,400
He made tapes of you.
423
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,480
We found edited versions
of those tapes on his phone.
424
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,480
You've seen them?
425
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,960
He tied me to a chair.
426
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,520
It was fixed to the ground.
427
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,399
Then he sat behind the camera,
so that when I looked at him,
428
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,080
I was looking directly into the lens.
429
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,440
He hardly spoke, he...
430
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,400
he just stared at me.
431
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,280
I tried everything I could
to get through to him.
432
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,599
I begged him, I flattered him,
I insulted him.
433
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,880
I tried to provoke him, even.
434
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,640
He didn't respond.
435
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,120
His eyes were open,
but it was like he was in a trance.
436
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,040
Did he sexually assault you?
437
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,999
No.
438
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,080
I don't think so.
439
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,399
Did he perform sex acts on himself?
440
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,400
Did he masturbate in front of you?
441
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,360
No. Just the filming.
442
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,120
[Gibson] Are those healing all right?
443
00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:52,880
I'm told I did it to myself.
444
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,319
I've no memory of that.
445
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,639
[Gibson] We found a broken lens
446
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,519
from a pair of sunglasses
in the boot of your car.
447
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,920
Your blood was on them.
There were no other fingerprints.
448
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,880
I can't work out if it's just marks...
449
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,720
or if it's a message.
450
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,840
When I first saw it...
451
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,760
it looked like an attempt to write...
"I love you."
452
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,319
[softly] Breathe.
453
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,880
[Rose chuckles softly]
454
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,520
[breath trembling]
455
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,360
I always thought that I wanted...
456
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,440
love and security.
457
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,040
Now I just...
458
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,120
feel like I'm floating free...
459
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,160
in a void.
460
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,120
[sniffles]
461
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,760
Oh... [exhales]
462
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,639
You have such a strong sense of purpose.
463
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,879
[Rose breathing shakily]
464
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,519
I feel like...
465
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,800
there's nothing beneath my feet
right now, like...
466
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,160
nothing steadying them.
467
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,319
It's as if I'm slightly drunk.
468
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,919
[Rose gasping]
469
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,880
[softly] Rose. Rose.
470
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,079
Remember...
471
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,600
you survived.
472
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,160
You got through it.
473
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,599
[Rose sniffling]
474
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,320
It's in the past.
475
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,279
[newscaster on TV] Paul Spector,
a 32-year-old bereavement counselor
476
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,999
from South Belfast,
charged with four counts of murder,
477
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,479
is due to make his first appearance
in court today.
478
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,479
The four female victims,
all young professional women in their 30s,
479
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,719
were attacked in their homes at night.
480
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:28,880
Three of those women
died of manual or ligature strangulation.
481
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,079
Spector, a married man and father of two,
482
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,879
is also charged with the attempted murder
of accountant Annie Brawley,
483
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,799
and the abduction
and unlawful imprisonment
484
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,720
of Belfast radiologist Rose Stagg...
485
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,120
[Sheridan sighs]
486
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,160
Your head.
487
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,280
[Spector groans softly]
488
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:01,640
[sighs]
489
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,200
I worry this is all too soon for you.
490
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,640
I'll be fine.
491
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,160
[breathes heavily]
492
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,560
[indistinct chatter]
493
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,719
[reporter 1]
Detective Superintendent Gibson,
494
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:48,519
the man you have in custody,
will he be appearing in court today?
495
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,399
[reporter 2] He's been shot
by one of your own officers?
496
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,319
[reporter 3] Chief Superintendent,
is Spector appearing in person today?
497
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,040
- [reporters clamoring]
- [engine starting]
498
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,120
[indistinct conversations]
499
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,039
[Gibson] Hello, how are you doing?
Are you ready for this?
500
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,159
I guess...
501
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,840
Yeah, yeah. Shall we head up, then?
502
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,240
Stand there.
503
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,680
[handcuffs unlocking]
504
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,399
Look straight into the camera.
505
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,559
You'll be able to see
the judge and the legal teams.
506
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,240
Answer any questions clearly.
507
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,399
[clerk] The, uh, prosecution has suggested
508
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,279
we read the shortened version
of the charge.
509
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:43,439
Are you happy enough with that?
510
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:44,520
Yeah, that's fine.
511
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,880
- [door opens]
- [clerk] All rise.
512
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,560
Thank you. Please sit.
513
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,440
Are you ready to proceed, ma'am?
514
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:09,520
I am.
515
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,199
[clerk] Mr. Spector, can you see
and hear the proceedings?
516
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,360
Yes.
517
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,799
The charges against the accused
are stated as four counts of murder.
518
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,879
One of attempted murder,
519
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,519
and one of abduction
and unlawful imprisonment.
520
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,760
Can you confirm for the court
that you are Peter Paul Spector?
521
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:34,759
Yes.
522
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,519
That your date of birth
is the 25th of May, 1979?
523
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:39,600
That's correct.
524
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:45,960
And that you live at 64 Tiberias Drive,
Belfast, BT6 7KM?
525
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,239
So I've been told.
526
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:50,960
[crowd murmuring]
527
00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:54,760
Why is he answering in that manner?
528
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:56,960
Ma'am, if I may.
529
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,039
My client has to answer in that manner
530
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,240
because he has suffered
significant memory loss.
531
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,599
As you no doubt know, Mr. Spector was shot
while in police custody.
532
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,639
He lost his spleen as a result
and was in a coma for some time.
533
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,519
The reason he is appearing from hospital
534
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,399
is that he is still being held there
in intensive care.
535
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,719
I've written reports from
the ICU consultant, Dr. Spencer,
536
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:24,679
and from the consultant neuropsychologist,
Dr. Alison Walden,
537
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:29,759
that explain the nature and degree
of my client's disability.
538
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,719
Dr. Walden is approved under Part II
of the Mental Health Order 1986.
539
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:37,799
There's information there
about the, uh, treatment
540
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,119
Mr. Spector's undergone and an account
of his behavior in hospital.
541
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,919
The memory loss, you will see, covers
a period of approximately six years,
542
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,120
up to and including the recent shooting.
543
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,519
One of the primary foundations
of criminal law
544
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,599
is that all defendants
are capable of actively participating
545
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,719
in their defense.
546
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:03,119
Mr. Spector's amnesia
prevents him from so doing.
547
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,239
[panting]
548
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:06,959
Whilst Mr. Spector understands
that he is in court
549
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,799
and charged with a number
of criminal offenses
550
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,559
and understands the nature and object
551
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,039
and the possible consequences
of the proceedings,
552
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,479
he cannot enter a plea,
he cannot consult with
553
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,439
or assist his lawyer, he cannot
give evidence in his own defense.
554
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,439
On that basis, I feel I need to raise
the issue of competence,
555
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,159
as to whether Mr. Spector is...
is fit to stand trial.
556
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,919
Mr. Healy, let me stop you there.
557
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,599
Now, the concerns you have raised
are noted,
558
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,239
but you know as well as I do that
559
00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:37,120
it's not a matter on which
this court can adjudicate.
560
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,039
Mr. Spector,
561
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,320
do you understand that
your case must be sent to Crown Court?
562
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:49,760
Yes.
563
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,159
[judge] Then you will be held
on remand in hospital
564
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:58,879
until arrangements can be made to transfer
you to a secure psychiatric clinic,
565
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:04,159
where more tests can be done to determine
the nature of your mental disability.
566
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,000
[panting]
567
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:16,799
[sighs]
568
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,679
- [crowd clamoring]
- [camera shutters clicking]
569
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,200
[bystander] A life for a life!
570
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,839
That's the guy
who's defending the murderer!
571
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,679
[reporter] Mr. Healy, how does it feel
to be defending the Belfast Strangler?
572
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,800
The alleged Belfast Strangler.
573
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,919
[newscaster on TV] Dressed in a blue
sweatshirt and tracksuit bottoms,
574
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,479
Mr. Spector spoke only to confirm
his name and date of birth
575
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,239
during the ten-minute hearing.
576
00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:46,359
At that point, proceedings took
a bizarre twist, as it became apparent
577
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,439
that the alleged serial killer
is suffering from significant memory loss.
578
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,359
Mr. Spector was remanded in custody
579
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,479
to undergo further
medical and psychiatric assessment.
580
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,239
Following the hearing,
the public prosecution service
581
00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:01,319
confirmed that Sally Ann Spector
will appear in the Crown Court
582
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,559
on Monday the 2nd of July,
583
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,959
to face charges of perverting
the course of justice.
584
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,399
The prosecution claims
that Mr. Spector's wife
585
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,159
provided her husband with false alibis.
586
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,200
[siren wailing]
587
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,720
[cell phone ringing]
588
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,479
Gibson.
589
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,440
[man on phone] Superintendent Gibson?
590
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:36,719
Yes.
591
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:39,479
I'm August Larson.
592
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:44,080
I'm the consultant psychiatrist who has
been asked to assess Paul Spector.
593
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,800
It's an odd time to be calling, Doctor.
594
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:52,840
Are you still working?
595
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,159
Yes.
596
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,000
Well, there you are.
597
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,639
Before he's moved here,
I need to determine the risk of violence
598
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,920
towards himself and others...
and plan his management.
599
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,120
Have you seen the list of crimes
he's been charged with?
600
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,560
Uh, I received that information
from the court, yes.
601
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,079
In my experience,
a history of previous violence
602
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,039
is the best predictor
for future violence for someone,
603
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,640
whether they are
mentally disordered or not.
604
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,480
And Paul Spector...
is a violent sexual sadist.
605
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,600
[Spector] Why are you so kind to me?
606
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:49,319
If I've done the things that...
607
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,040
the police say I've done,
then I'm a monster.
608
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,520
It's my job.
609
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:02,800
What?
610
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,999
It says in your notes
that there were tears in your eyes
611
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,600
during your surgery.
612
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,120
That you were crying.
613
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,000
Was I?
614
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,360
Does that mean anything to you?
615
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,560
Perhaps.
616
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:31,680
[Gibson] I just...
617
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,440
can't believe the memory loss is real.
618
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,799
He's just the sort of person
who would feign...
619
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,519
amnesia if he felt that there was
something to be gained from it.
620
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,400
Even for the sheer delight
of duping people...
621
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,919
particularly experts.
622
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,719
[chuckles]
623
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:51,880
Someone like me, for example?
624
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,559
I'm just saying that
from my conversations with him,
625
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,839
it seems to me that he exhibits,
if anything, a...
626
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,400
superior memory for his violence.
627
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,680
It's clear to me that he rehearsed
the crimes in his mind over and over.
628
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,759
They were heavily scripted.
629
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,359
And so the crimes themselves
were memorable,
630
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:19,000
both in the way that they match the script
and in the way that they differ.
631
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,519
So in... in my view, it's...
632
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,039
extremely unlikely that he has...
633
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,319
forgotten anything.
634
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:33,199
Faced with memory loss, there is only
one way a clinician can go...
635
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,360
and that is to investigate.
636
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:41,319
If we take him here,
then that is what I intend to do.
637
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,239
If you have the time,
I'd really appreciate
638
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:47,360
getting a pre-morbid appraisal
of Mr. Spector from you.
639
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,960
As someone who has had
extensive dealings with him.
640
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:56,680
Anything at all you can tell me about him
would be extremely useful.
641
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,360
I'll help in any way I can.
642
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:04,559
Thank you.
643
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,000
Good night.
644
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:09,320
Good night.
645
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:11,400
[line disconnects]
646
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,400
[Spector] Everything went dark.
647
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,160
[Sheridan] And did time seem to speed up
or slow down?
648
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,560
It sped up.
649
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,280
I was rushing through a tunnel.
650
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,160
And did you see or feel surrounded
by a... a brilliant light?
651
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,040
- There was a light.
- Can you describe it?
652
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,479
Um... incredibly bright.
653
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,280
- Blinding.
- And hot?
654
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:53,920
No, not hot.
655
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,240
Did you come to a border
or a point of no return?
656
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,039
There was a point. Um...
657
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,840
I felt I could have gone on.
658
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,199
But there were... voices calling me back.
659
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:12,400
What voices?
660
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,559
My daughter.
661
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:16,920
Olivia.
662
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,839
[Sheridan] And was there
anyone else there known to you...
663
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,560
living or dead?
664
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:52,519
Yes.
665
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:53,680
Who?
666
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,240
I think my mother.
667
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,880
And what happened?
668
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,960
How did you feel in her presence?
669
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:17,640
Afraid.
670
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,120
Did she speak to you?
671
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:26,399
She was calling me.
672
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,520
I think she wanted me to... come to her.
673
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,240
Towards the light.
674
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,000
But there's other voices.
675
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,120
My daughter, calling me back.
676
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,599
Did you want to come back to your body?
677
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,400
Come back to life?
678
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,040
No.
679
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,920
But I couldn't just abandon her.
680
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,920
Is that when you cried?
681
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,520
[Sally Ann softly] Hey.
682
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,240
Drink it all up.
683
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,520
Good girl.
684
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,160
[door creaking]
685
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,400
[Sheridan] You came close to dying.
686
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,599
What do you now understand death to be?
687
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,000
What does death mean to you now?
688
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,320
I know that life...
is our only true possession.
689
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:22,040
And death?
690
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:32,880
[Anderson] I've found a murder
that looks promising.
691
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,599
Really? The right initials?
692
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,279
[Anderson] That's not the connection.
693
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,440
A law student. Susan Harper.
694
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,280
Do you think she looks right?
695
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,719
Yes, absolutely. Just a bit younger.
696
00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:47,079
[Anderson] Twenty-one.
697
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,999
The only problem is
there is someone doing time for it.
698
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,279
It's an individual called David Alvarez.
699
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,199
I... I remembered
I saw his name yesterday
700
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,839
on the list of children who were
in Gortnacul at the same time as Spector.
701
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,479
So I've done some digging.
702
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,879
And they are one and the same.
703
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,399
The David Alvarez
who's doing time for the murder
704
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,680
is the same David Alvarez who was
a fellow pupil of Spector's at the home.
705
00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:11,160
Why was Alvarez convicted?
706
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,599
His DNA on her body.
707
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,599
A subsequent confession.
708
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,680
That's pretty conclusive.
709
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:20,920
What year is this?
710
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,160
August 2002.
711
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:26,720
In London.
712
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:30,880
Now, there's a gap
in Spector's timeline there.
713
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:33,800
We don't know where he was...
714
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,080
or what he was doing.
715
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,120
No, we don't.
716
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,200
[waves crashing]
717
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,640
I'll see you in the morning.
Try and get some sleep.
718
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:21,360
I'll pray for you.
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