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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:15,560 [camera shutter clicks] 2 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,120 [camera shutter clicks] 3 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:44,440 [camera shutter clicks] 4 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:56,720 [camera shutter clicks] 5 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,080 [breathing laboriously] 6 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:49,640 [grunts softly] 7 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:51,960 [inhaling deeply] 8 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:04,520 [door opens] 9 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:12,400 {\an8}Are you in pain? 10 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:30,560 {\an8}Here. 11 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:38,960 {\an8}[exhales] 12 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:49,920 {\an8}[machine beeping] 13 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:08,999 [Gibson] We've seen fragments before. 14 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,279 Bits of pages that didn't burn in the car... 15 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,159 enough to confirm that he kept journals. 16 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,600 But... nothing like this. 17 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,200 Nothing so extensive, nothing so detailed. 18 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,559 I'd put it to Spector that, 19 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:28,079 between the strangulation of Rose and the murder of Fiona Gallagher, 20 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,720 that there must have been other attacks. Though he... 21 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:32,399 said that there were no other attacks, 22 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,520 that Fiona Gallagher was his first murder. 23 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,879 During that gap in time 24 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:42,320 he suggested that he always had a project to work on. 25 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,200 Are these those projects? 26 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:47,920 "A.S." 27 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,159 Might live in the Holylands area? 28 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,040 Who might be a journalist? 29 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:00,200 Who seems to wake up late every day and skip breakfast? 30 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,279 Who wears a cream robe after her bath... 31 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,600 and sometimes doesn't completely close her bedroom curtains? 32 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,760 Or... "R.W." 33 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,799 Who cycles to the university most days off? 34 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,800 Somewhere in the Lisburn Road? 35 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,600 Always brings her lunch with her and eats in the Botanic Gardens? 36 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,239 Who has clear, pale skin, 37 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:30,160 wears close-fitting clothes and walks with a short stride that Spector likes? 38 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:37,240 Where on the continuum of his violence do these journals fit? 39 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,839 Are they just fantasies that sustain him... 40 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:43,560 feed his appetites? 41 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:45,960 Or are they a record... 42 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:49,720 of nine more murders? 43 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:52,919 [Walden] What time of day is it? 44 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,920 Morning, afternoon, night? 45 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,199 Morning. 46 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,920 [Walden] Where are we? 47 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,960 Uh, Belfast General Hospital. 48 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:07,160 Can you remember the name of your nurse? 49 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:13,440 Kiera. 50 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,159 Are you married? 51 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,400 - Or do you have a partner? - I'm married. 52 00:05:20,280 --> 00:05:22,600 [Walden] Can you remember any other family members? 53 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,760 Sally Ann has a father, John... 54 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,599 and a mother, Carol. 55 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,439 We call her CC. 56 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:35,920 And what about you? 57 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,000 - Me? - Do you have any family? 58 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:45,600 - No. - [Walden] Why is that? 59 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:49,400 My mother died. 60 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,320 [Walden] And what about your father? 61 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,360 When I was growing up he was known as Peter Baldwin. 62 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:03,159 I thought that man was my real father... 63 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:04,760 until he left us. 64 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,600 My mother told me that he wasn't my real father... 65 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,000 He was just a man. 66 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,440 When did you become Paul Spector? 67 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,679 [Spector grunts softly] 68 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,240 Just before I met Sally Ann. 69 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:26,920 And why did you change? 70 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,279 Wanted a... clean start. New life. 71 00:06:34,280 --> 00:06:35,680 Why is that? 72 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:38,840 I'm not sure. 73 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,240 Has that new life worked for you? 74 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,399 [Gibson] The sheer volume of garments 75 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,880 suggests there were very many fetish burglaries at that time. 76 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,360 His journals talk of... climbing scaffolding... 77 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,840 finding windows open, doors unlocked, alarms not set. 78 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,560 I took this photograph to be of a woman. 79 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,279 On closer inspection... 80 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,480 it's clear it's a mannequin. 81 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,640 And these pictures of him... 82 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:25,880 The bondage... 83 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,840 the auto-asphyxiation... 84 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,199 introduce a new element 85 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,840 to our understanding of his sexual behavior. 86 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,839 [Walden] Has any, uh, information returned to you 87 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,200 over the last 12 hours voluntarily? 88 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,040 Don't think so. 89 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,760 Hold this in your hand. 90 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:52,160 Keep it safe. 91 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,920 Will you give it back to me in 15 minutes' time? 92 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,280 Yes. 93 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,280 Who's the British Prime Minister? 94 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,440 Tony Blair. 95 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,160 Have you heard of Facebook? 96 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,840 - Yes. - And what is it? 97 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,320 It's, um... It's a social networking site. 98 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:18,760 And what about Twitter? 99 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:23,959 Dunno what that is. 100 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,720 So you don't know what a tweet is? Or tweeting? 101 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,360 Is it the sound a bird makes? 102 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,400 What's a hashtag? 103 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,120 No idea. 104 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,400 Presumably I'm supposed to know what these things are? 105 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:49,520 Maybe. 106 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,440 The main thing is that we identify and find these women. 107 00:08:58,160 --> 00:08:59,760 Use the initials. 108 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:01,879 Look at solved or unsolved 109 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,519 sexually-motivated murders or attempted murders, 110 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,480 particularly strangulations occurring in homes and apartments. 111 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,840 Check missing persons for suspected foul play. 112 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:18,280 We need to know if these women are alive or dead. 113 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,639 I think that's all, unless there's anything else? 114 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,439 We've confirmed the list of children's homes Spector was in 115 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,359 following the death of his mother. 116 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:35,119 We have lists of all his fellow pupils including those at Gortnacul. 117 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,239 [Gibson] Any news on the Benedetto girl? 118 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,559 Uh, uniforms called at her house this morning, ma'am. 119 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:43,920 She didn't come home last night. Her mother has no idea where she is. 120 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,600 A warrant's been issued for her arrest. 121 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,440 Thank you all. 122 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,120 [Walden] What's the last full day you remember? 123 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:59,720 It was with Olivia. 124 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,080 Go on. 125 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,399 Erm... I took her to her playgroup... 126 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,240 a musical playgroup. 127 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:13,600 She loves dancing. 128 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,320 And, uh, we'll sing songs... 129 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,680 "Wheels on the Bus." 130 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,519 She touches all the right places 131 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,160 when she does "Head, Shoulders, Knees and Toes." 132 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:33,080 Then we... went for lunch in the park. 133 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,840 She was pedaling on her tricycle. 134 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,360 There's a pair of swans on the water there... 135 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,119 nine or ten babies. 136 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,680 Ugly ducklings. 137 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:52,839 She was talking loads. 138 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,560 She's always getting me to play make-believe with her. 139 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,960 It sounds to me like Olivia is about two years old? 140 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:01,720 Yeah. 141 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,600 But she isn't, is she? 142 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,640 [Walden] Can you describe what the memory loss feels like to you? 143 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,160 Well... 144 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,440 Feels like it's nighttime and... 145 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,400 there's a thunderstorm and I'm standing on a hillside... 146 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:07,400 and I've been asked to draw a map of the valley below. 147 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,839 There's lightning flashes that light up the land, but... 148 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,959 but only for a few seconds, 149 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:17,960 not long enough to draw the map. 150 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,399 Can you recall who you are? 151 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,039 In the sense of what you were like and what you're like now? 152 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,440 Your trait characteristics? 153 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:38,760 Um... 154 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:42,960 I'm told I have a son. 155 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:49,400 I have no reason to think that people are lying to me, but... 156 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:52,120 I don't feel it. 157 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,040 I'm told I'm in trouble with the police. 158 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:00,240 Don't know what I've done. 159 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,079 I think that I... I might be different... 160 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,920 but... I don't know why. 161 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,600 I feel like I'm an all right person? 162 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,000 It'll all come back to me, won't it? 163 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,920 Your anterograde memory is working well. 164 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,960 Anything else you've forgotten, you can relearn. 165 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,120 But the ownership is gone? 166 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:30,320 [car lock clicks] 167 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,240 [cell phone ringing] 168 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,279 - Gibson. - Patrick Spencer. 169 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,800 ICU consultant, Belfast General Hospital. 170 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,319 Thank you for calling me back, Doctor. I understand he's conscious? 171 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,639 Yes. His physiology is normalizing. 172 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,719 He's cardiovascularly stable, 173 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,519 and has made good progress, given the massive insult 174 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,119 and blood loss from the bullet wounds... [inhales] 175 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:03,759 But? 176 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,040 But... there is an issue. 177 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:11,159 Although his short-term memory seems to be functioning adequately... 178 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:15,639 it seems Mr. Spector has suffered quite extensive long-term memory loss. 179 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,000 [sighs softly] 180 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,120 [Sheridan] Okay. 181 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,320 I'm just gonna move your legs to the edge of the bed here. 182 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,960 [murmuring] Okay. 183 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,439 Okay, here we go. 184 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,200 [Spencer grunting] 185 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:44,760 [strains] 186 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,240 Keep going. Right, yeah. 187 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,280 - Yeah. - [grunts] 188 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,720 Okay, that's good. Well done. 189 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,679 [Gibson] Apparently, he's docile. 190 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,639 Well-oriented in time and space. 191 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:11,159 And has established good relations with his doctors and nurses. 192 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,800 Oh, for pity's sake. 193 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:18,039 Seems he can acquire new information and keep track of his medical procedures, 194 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,039 but that he has almost no recollection of the events 195 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,639 that have taken place over the last six years or so. 196 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,680 [Burns] Are we supposed to be taking this seriously? 197 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:29,920 I think we have to. 198 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,839 [Lowden] Are they linking this... 199 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,120 this impairment directly to the shooting? 200 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,640 The nature of the amnesia has not been established yet. 201 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,919 It... It might be organic, 202 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:44,759 an injury to the brain 203 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,039 because of blood loss or resultant lack of oxygen. 204 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,080 Or it could be psychogenic... 205 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,200 A result perhaps of trauma. 206 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,480 But until they do an MRI scan, they can't really say. 207 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,320 So perform the MRI scan. 208 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:05,120 Spector has retained metal fragments from the bullet in his body. 209 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,639 If they contain iron, the fragments can be heated up 210 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,799 and the magnet can drag them through the body 211 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,239 and cause more organ damage. 212 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,839 Are they conducting psychological tests yet? 213 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,359 [Gibson] Yes, they are. 214 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:21,519 The consultant neuropsychologist is an Alison Walden. 215 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,079 [Greenfield] But Jim's right. 216 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:24,679 He must be feigning surely? 217 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,319 Or at the very least exaggerating his symptoms? 218 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:28,640 To what end? 219 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:30,799 The law does not concern itself 220 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,999 with the present state of mind of the criminal defendant, 221 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,639 only with the state of mind at the time the crime was committed 222 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,279 and Spector's was clearly conveyed in his confession. 223 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,639 He clearly understood the difference between right and wrong 224 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:44,999 at the time of the crimes, 225 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,719 and therefore, he will be held accountable. 226 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,880 But it is founded on memory-based evidence. 227 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,119 If he's saying that he can't remember any of the crimes, 228 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:56,680 it poses all sorts of problems for the courts. 229 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,639 It's almost like he's claiming that he's innocent. 230 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:05,880 It seems there's more than usual pressure to build the evidential case against him. 231 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,760 That's precisely what we're doing, sir. 232 00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:13,639 What will happen to him 233 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,439 if the defense does ask for a mental health assessment? 234 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,679 His potential dangerousness suggests 235 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,519 a forensic unit rather than a hospital ward. 236 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:23,999 And where would that be? 237 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,399 The Foyle Clinic in East Belfast. 238 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,479 [Gibson] Who will assess him? 239 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:29,720 [Lowden] A Gus Larson. 240 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,159 He's the consultant forensic psychiatrist. 241 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,520 Very experienced, very used to giving expert testimony in court. 242 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,239 The sooner we get him out of the hands of the medics 243 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,680 and back into the justice system, the better. 244 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,800 [Spencer] Thanks, Alison. 245 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,879 Kiera Sheridan, Mr. Spector's dedicated nurse. 246 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,799 She provides him with one-to-one care. 247 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,759 She will limit your visit if patient status warrants it. 248 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,000 - Thank you. - She'll show you in. 249 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,360 [Lowden] What about the wife? 250 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,120 I'm worried about her. 251 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,319 It's obviously been a devastating blow to her, 252 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:45,400 as it would be to anyone who seems to have had no real suspicions. 253 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:49,600 But there's no possibility of her repeating the offense. 254 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,039 She's admitted her guilt, she's corrected the facts. 255 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,080 She might even end up being a witness for the prosecution. 256 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,879 I think we should drop the charges. 257 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,919 If she'd told the truth in the first place about Spector's whereabouts... 258 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,719 then we could have investigated him more closely, 259 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,640 and perhaps Rose Stagg would not have been put through the ordeal that she has. 260 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:18,239 I just feel... that pursuing her through the courts 261 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,440 will likely have a very bad effect on her mental and physical health. 262 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,319 Is prosecution... really in the public interest? 263 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:31,559 As director of public prosecutions, I have to say, I think it is. 264 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,759 How things will unfold with Spector is unclear. 265 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,680 Prosecuting his wife sends a clear signal. 266 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,880 We mean business... and no one involved will be getting off lightly. 267 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,440 Sally Ann Spector miscarried in police custody. 268 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:55,119 That's a devastating thing to happen to any woman... but particularly her. 269 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:59,160 Her identity is wrapped up in her children and those that she cares for. 270 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:05,959 She's perceived as an angel by the parents of the babies she looks after in the NICU. 271 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,959 Now it appears as if she's lost everything, 272 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:13,120 her marriage, her work, her unborn child. 273 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,879 She's paid a very high price for her naivety. 274 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,639 [Burns] I can't believe that of all people, 275 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,440 you are suggesting that we treat Sally Ann paternalistically. 276 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,919 Now I say we move ahead with the charges. 277 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,479 And we can use them as leverage against Spector. 278 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,640 I do think we need to bear in mind the seriousness of the offense. 279 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,799 [Healy] We accepted instructions on your behalf 280 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,159 from your wife when you were unconscious. 281 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,359 Today is an opportunity for you to say if you are 282 00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:48,640 happy for us to be representing you. 283 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,320 I believe that the nature of your injuries has been explained to you? 284 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,079 Yes. 285 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,360 And you understand that you were in police custody when you were shot? 286 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,239 Yes, but I still don't know why. 287 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,760 No one will tell me. 288 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,280 An individual called James Tyler was responsible. 289 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,680 [Spector] I don't know who that is. 290 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,080 Why did he shoot me? 291 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,600 I need to get more information from the police before I can explain that. 292 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,760 The more pressing issue, Mr. Spector... 293 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,559 is that the police have charged you with a number of very serious crimes. 294 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,720 I mean... the most serious crimes on the statute book. 295 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,439 What crimes? 296 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,400 A series of murders. 297 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,200 Well, what sort of murders? 298 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,040 With your permission, let me take you through the police charge sheet. 299 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,960 All the alleged crimes took place in Belfast. 300 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,879 The police claim that on the 10th day of December, 2011, 301 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,519 you murdered university lecturer Fiona Gallagher, in her home, 302 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,480 before fleeing the scene. 303 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,160 Death by strangulation. 304 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,200 And on the 15th of March, 2012... 305 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,959 you murdered architect Alice Monroe, in her home, 306 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,000 strangling her with a ligature. 307 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,079 They allege that you then washed and dried her body, 308 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,159 before putting her back to bed and posing her body. 309 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,679 That on the 16th of April, 2012, 310 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,039 you murdered solicitor Sarah Kay, in her home, 311 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,920 strangling her with a ligature. 312 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,440 They allege that you washed and dried Sarah's body... 313 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,840 washed and dried her bedclothes... 314 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,839 painted her fingernails red... 315 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,320 before posing her in her bed and taking photographs. 316 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,520 Sarah Kay was pregnant at the time of her death. 317 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,639 [exhales sharply] 318 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,880 [Healy] That four days later, on the 20th of April, 2012... 319 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,640 you attacked and strangled accountant Annie Brawley, in her home. 320 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:23,719 They claim that you also murdered her brother, Joseph Brawley, 321 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,879 when he tried to defend his sister, 322 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:30,119 stabbing him three times with some decorating shears. 323 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:32,599 You then fled the scene. 324 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,840 Annie Brawley survived the attack. 325 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,279 I don't recognize any of these people. 326 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,120 I've never seen these people before. 327 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:46,520 There's more. 328 00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:50,919 They allege that on May the 3rd, 329 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,200 you abducted Rose Stagg from her home... 330 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,719 imprisoned her unlawfully, 331 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,840 and detained her against her will. 332 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,880 [Spector] I know her. 333 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,520 - Rose what? Who did you say? - [Wallace] Stagg. 334 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,280 Perhaps you know Mrs. Stagg better as Rose McGill? 335 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,520 Yes. 336 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,640 But I... I haven't seen her... in the last four years or so. 337 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,600 When did you last see her do you think? 338 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,919 Early summer. 339 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,280 2002. 340 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,079 2002 is ten years ago, not four. 341 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,199 Have you been listening to the charges, Mr. Spector? 342 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,480 It's May 2012. 343 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,080 I'm sorry. 344 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,520 I'm sorry. 345 00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,720 What happened to Rose? 346 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,119 She's alive. 347 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:03,719 [inhales deeply] 348 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,880 The police say you led them to her. 349 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,239 She was found in the boot of her own car. 350 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,079 The police suggest you left her trapped. 351 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,760 Left her to die. 352 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,360 Why would I do that to Rose? 353 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,480 [water running] 354 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,320 [Healy] The police say they have a confession. 355 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,800 That you made a number of admissions. 356 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,959 I've, um... no memory of that. 357 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,159 [Wallace] We think it makes sense 358 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,079 for your first appearance in court to be as soon as possible 359 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,639 because it will initiate the evidential disclosure process. 360 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,840 Will you be strong enough? 361 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,599 Once we are in receipt of those documents, 362 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,799 we will look at the detail of that confession 363 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,479 and take you through every bit of evidence against you, 364 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,880 every witness statement, page by page, line by line. 365 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,760 Is that all clear? 366 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:22,600 Yes. 367 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,040 Any questions? 368 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,799 I just need some time for it all to sink in. 369 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,000 [Healy] 'Course. 370 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,840 Do you know who that is? 371 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,080 No. 372 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:48,479 Should I? 373 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,319 [Healy] If any memories relevant to the case return to you, 374 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,880 please contact Louise here. 375 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,200 [clears throat] We're here to help you, Mr. Spector. 376 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,079 We will guide you through this. 377 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,600 [Spector] Thank you. 378 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,160 [knock on door] 379 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,680 Sorry, ma'am. Rose Stagg is here to see you. 380 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,719 Set up an interview room, Dani. 381 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,080 I'd like you to sit in. 382 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,160 Of course. 383 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,119 [Rose] I woke to find him in bed with me. 384 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,679 [gasps] 385 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,200 [muffled screaming] 386 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,359 He took me downstairs, his hand over my mouth, 387 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,280 he took me into the kitchen. 388 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,440 Go on. 389 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,560 He used my name. 390 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,400 He called me Rose. 391 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:38,800 [sighs] 392 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,040 [Rose] I thought perhaps I recognized the voice. 393 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,359 [groaning softly] 394 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,800 [Rose] He said he didn't want to hurt me or my lovely family... 395 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,120 but that he would if I cried out. 396 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,640 And then he released me. 397 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,720 And when I turned around, I recognized him. 398 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,320 [Gibson] What did you think in that moment? 399 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,920 [Rose] Just for a moment... 400 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,720 I thought that maybe it would be all right. 401 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,320 That maybe it was a joke... a game. 402 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,440 [exhales] 403 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,640 What did you say? 404 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,960 I just said, "Peter?" 405 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,040 [Rose sighs] 406 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,840 He... he made me dress from clothes that were hanging in the utility room. 407 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,920 And he made me write a note. He told me what to put. 408 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,040 The house seemed so silent. 409 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,800 The sound of the pen on the paper seemed really loud in my head. 410 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,680 Like a whooshing. 411 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,079 [breath trembling] 412 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,480 All I could think about was getting him out of there, away from Nancy. 413 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,200 Did you resist him at all? 414 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,400 Uh, I was numb. 415 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,039 I didn't really struggle 416 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,120 until he was walking me towards that awful building. 417 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,480 I thought, "If he takes me in there... 418 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,120 I'm gonna die. 419 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,160 I'm gonna be the next victim." 420 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,960 That's when I tried to run. 421 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,120 But he was too strong. 422 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,400 He made tapes of you. 423 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,480 We found edited versions of those tapes on his phone. 424 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,480 You've seen them? 425 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,960 He tied me to a chair. 426 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,520 It was fixed to the ground. 427 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,399 Then he sat behind the camera, so that when I looked at him, 428 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,080 I was looking directly into the lens. 429 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,440 He hardly spoke, he... 430 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,400 he just stared at me. 431 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,280 I tried everything I could to get through to him. 432 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,599 I begged him, I flattered him, I insulted him. 433 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,880 I tried to provoke him, even. 434 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,640 He didn't respond. 435 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,120 His eyes were open, but it was like he was in a trance. 436 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,040 Did he sexually assault you? 437 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,999 No. 438 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,080 I don't think so. 439 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,399 Did he perform sex acts on himself? 440 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,400 Did he masturbate in front of you? 441 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,360 No. Just the filming. 442 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,120 [Gibson] Are those healing all right? 443 00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:52,880 I'm told I did it to myself. 444 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,319 I've no memory of that. 445 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,639 [Gibson] We found a broken lens 446 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,519 from a pair of sunglasses in the boot of your car. 447 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,920 Your blood was on them. There were no other fingerprints. 448 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,880 I can't work out if it's just marks... 449 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,720 or if it's a message. 450 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,840 When I first saw it... 451 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,760 it looked like an attempt to write... "I love you." 452 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,319 [softly] Breathe. 453 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,880 [Rose chuckles softly] 454 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,520 [breath trembling] 455 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,360 I always thought that I wanted... 456 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,440 love and security. 457 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,040 Now I just... 458 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,120 feel like I'm floating free... 459 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,160 in a void. 460 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,120 [sniffles] 461 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,760 Oh... [exhales] 462 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,639 You have such a strong sense of purpose. 463 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,879 [Rose breathing shakily] 464 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,519 I feel like... 465 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,800 there's nothing beneath my feet right now, like... 466 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,160 nothing steadying them. 467 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,319 It's as if I'm slightly drunk. 468 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,919 [Rose gasping] 469 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,880 [softly] Rose. Rose. 470 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,079 Remember... 471 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,600 you survived. 472 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,160 You got through it. 473 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,599 [Rose sniffling] 474 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,320 It's in the past. 475 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,279 [newscaster on TV] Paul Spector, a 32-year-old bereavement counselor 476 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,999 from South Belfast, charged with four counts of murder, 477 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,479 is due to make his first appearance in court today. 478 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,479 The four female victims, all young professional women in their 30s, 479 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,719 were attacked in their homes at night. 480 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:28,880 Three of those women died of manual or ligature strangulation. 481 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,079 Spector, a married man and father of two, 482 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,879 is also charged with the attempted murder of accountant Annie Brawley, 483 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,799 and the abduction and unlawful imprisonment 484 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,720 of Belfast radiologist Rose Stagg... 485 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,120 [Sheridan sighs] 486 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,160 Your head. 487 00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,280 [Spector groans softly] 488 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:01,640 [sighs] 489 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,200 I worry this is all too soon for you. 490 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,640 I'll be fine. 491 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,160 [breathes heavily] 492 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,560 [indistinct chatter] 493 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,719 [reporter 1] Detective Superintendent Gibson, 494 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:48,519 the man you have in custody, will he be appearing in court today? 495 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,399 [reporter 2] He's been shot by one of your own officers? 496 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,319 [reporter 3] Chief Superintendent, is Spector appearing in person today? 497 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,040 - [reporters clamoring] - [engine starting] 498 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,120 [indistinct conversations] 499 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,039 [Gibson] Hello, how are you doing? Are you ready for this? 500 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,159 I guess... 501 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,840 Yeah, yeah. Shall we head up, then? 502 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,240 Stand there. 503 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,680 [handcuffs unlocking] 504 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,399 Look straight into the camera. 505 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,559 You'll be able to see the judge and the legal teams. 506 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,240 Answer any questions clearly. 507 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,399 [clerk] The, uh, prosecution has suggested 508 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,279 we read the shortened version of the charge. 509 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:43,439 Are you happy enough with that? 510 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:44,520 Yeah, that's fine. 511 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,880 - [door opens] - [clerk] All rise. 512 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,560 Thank you. Please sit. 513 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,440 Are you ready to proceed, ma'am? 514 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:09,520 I am. 515 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,199 [clerk] Mr. Spector, can you see and hear the proceedings? 516 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,360 Yes. 517 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,799 The charges against the accused are stated as four counts of murder. 518 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,879 One of attempted murder, 519 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,519 and one of abduction and unlawful imprisonment. 520 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,760 Can you confirm for the court that you are Peter Paul Spector? 521 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:34,759 Yes. 522 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,519 That your date of birth is the 25th of May, 1979? 523 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:39,600 That's correct. 524 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:45,960 And that you live at 64 Tiberias Drive, Belfast, BT6 7KM? 525 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,239 So I've been told. 526 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:50,960 [crowd murmuring] 527 00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:54,760 Why is he answering in that manner? 528 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:56,960 Ma'am, if I may. 529 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,039 My client has to answer in that manner 530 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,240 because he has suffered significant memory loss. 531 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,599 As you no doubt know, Mr. Spector was shot while in police custody. 532 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,639 He lost his spleen as a result and was in a coma for some time. 533 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,519 The reason he is appearing from hospital 534 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,399 is that he is still being held there in intensive care. 535 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,719 I've written reports from the ICU consultant, Dr. Spencer, 536 00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:24,679 and from the consultant neuropsychologist, Dr. Alison Walden, 537 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:29,759 that explain the nature and degree of my client's disability. 538 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,719 Dr. Walden is approved under Part II of the Mental Health Order 1986. 539 00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:37,799 There's information there about the, uh, treatment 540 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,119 Mr. Spector's undergone and an account of his behavior in hospital. 541 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,919 The memory loss, you will see, covers a period of approximately six years, 542 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,120 up to and including the recent shooting. 543 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,519 One of the primary foundations of criminal law 544 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,599 is that all defendants are capable of actively participating 545 00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,719 in their defense. 546 00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:03,119 Mr. Spector's amnesia prevents him from so doing. 547 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,239 [panting] 548 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:06,959 Whilst Mr. Spector understands that he is in court 549 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,799 and charged with a number of criminal offenses 550 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,559 and understands the nature and object 551 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,039 and the possible consequences of the proceedings, 552 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,479 he cannot enter a plea, he cannot consult with 553 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,439 or assist his lawyer, he cannot give evidence in his own defense. 554 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,439 On that basis, I feel I need to raise the issue of competence, 555 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,159 as to whether Mr. Spector is... is fit to stand trial. 556 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,919 Mr. Healy, let me stop you there. 557 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,599 Now, the concerns you have raised are noted, 558 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,239 but you know as well as I do that 559 00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:37,120 it's not a matter on which this court can adjudicate. 560 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,039 Mr. Spector, 561 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,320 do you understand that your case must be sent to Crown Court? 562 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:49,760 Yes. 563 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,159 [judge] Then you will be held on remand in hospital 564 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:58,879 until arrangements can be made to transfer you to a secure psychiatric clinic, 565 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:04,159 where more tests can be done to determine the nature of your mental disability. 566 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,000 [panting] 567 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:16,799 [sighs] 568 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,679 - [crowd clamoring] - [camera shutters clicking] 569 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,200 [bystander] A life for a life! 570 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,839 That's the guy who's defending the murderer! 571 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,679 [reporter] Mr. Healy, how does it feel to be defending the Belfast Strangler? 572 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,800 The alleged Belfast Strangler. 573 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,919 [newscaster on TV] Dressed in a blue sweatshirt and tracksuit bottoms, 574 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,479 Mr. Spector spoke only to confirm his name and date of birth 575 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,239 during the ten-minute hearing. 576 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:46,359 At that point, proceedings took a bizarre twist, as it became apparent 577 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,439 that the alleged serial killer is suffering from significant memory loss. 578 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,359 Mr. Spector was remanded in custody 579 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,479 to undergo further medical and psychiatric assessment. 580 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,239 Following the hearing, the public prosecution service 581 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:01,319 confirmed that Sally Ann Spector will appear in the Crown Court 582 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,559 on Monday the 2nd of July, 583 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,959 to face charges of perverting the course of justice. 584 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,399 The prosecution claims that Mr. Spector's wife 585 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,159 provided her husband with false alibis. 586 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,200 [siren wailing] 587 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,720 [cell phone ringing] 588 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,479 Gibson. 589 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,440 [man on phone] Superintendent Gibson? 590 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:36,719 Yes. 591 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:39,479 I'm August Larson. 592 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:44,080 I'm the consultant psychiatrist who has been asked to assess Paul Spector. 593 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,800 It's an odd time to be calling, Doctor. 594 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:52,840 Are you still working? 595 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,159 Yes. 596 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,000 Well, there you are. 597 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,639 Before he's moved here, I need to determine the risk of violence 598 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,920 towards himself and others... and plan his management. 599 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,120 Have you seen the list of crimes he's been charged with? 600 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,560 Uh, I received that information from the court, yes. 601 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,079 In my experience, a history of previous violence 602 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,039 is the best predictor for future violence for someone, 603 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,640 whether they are mentally disordered or not. 604 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,480 And Paul Spector... is a violent sexual sadist. 605 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,600 [Spector] Why are you so kind to me? 606 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:49,319 If I've done the things that... 607 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,040 the police say I've done, then I'm a monster. 608 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,520 It's my job. 609 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:02,800 What? 610 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,999 It says in your notes that there were tears in your eyes 611 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,600 during your surgery. 612 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,120 That you were crying. 613 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,000 Was I? 614 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,360 Does that mean anything to you? 615 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,560 Perhaps. 616 00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:31,680 [Gibson] I just... 617 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,440 can't believe the memory loss is real. 618 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,799 He's just the sort of person who would feign... 619 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,519 amnesia if he felt that there was something to be gained from it. 620 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,400 Even for the sheer delight of duping people... 621 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,919 particularly experts. 622 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,719 [chuckles] 623 00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:51,880 Someone like me, for example? 624 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,559 I'm just saying that from my conversations with him, 625 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,839 it seems to me that he exhibits, if anything, a... 626 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,400 superior memory for his violence. 627 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,680 It's clear to me that he rehearsed the crimes in his mind over and over. 628 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,759 They were heavily scripted. 629 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,359 And so the crimes themselves were memorable, 630 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:19,000 both in the way that they match the script and in the way that they differ. 631 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,519 So in... in my view, it's... 632 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,039 extremely unlikely that he has... 633 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,319 forgotten anything. 634 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:33,199 Faced with memory loss, there is only one way a clinician can go... 635 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,360 and that is to investigate. 636 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:41,319 If we take him here, then that is what I intend to do. 637 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,239 If you have the time, I'd really appreciate 638 00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:47,360 getting a pre-morbid appraisal of Mr. Spector from you. 639 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,960 As someone who has had extensive dealings with him. 640 00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:56,680 Anything at all you can tell me about him would be extremely useful. 641 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,360 I'll help in any way I can. 642 00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:04,559 Thank you. 643 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,000 Good night. 644 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:09,320 Good night. 645 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:11,400 [line disconnects] 646 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,400 [Spector] Everything went dark. 647 00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,160 [Sheridan] And did time seem to speed up or slow down? 648 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,560 It sped up. 649 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,280 I was rushing through a tunnel. 650 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,160 And did you see or feel surrounded by a... a brilliant light? 651 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,040 - There was a light. - Can you describe it? 652 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,479 Um... incredibly bright. 653 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,280 - Blinding. - And hot? 654 00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:53,920 No, not hot. 655 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,240 Did you come to a border or a point of no return? 656 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,039 There was a point. Um... 657 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,840 I felt I could have gone on. 658 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,199 But there were... voices calling me back. 659 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:12,400 What voices? 660 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,559 My daughter. 661 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:16,920 Olivia. 662 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,839 [Sheridan] And was there anyone else there known to you... 663 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,560 living or dead? 664 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:52,519 Yes. 665 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:53,680 Who? 666 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,240 I think my mother. 667 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,880 And what happened? 668 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,960 How did you feel in her presence? 669 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:17,640 Afraid. 670 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,120 Did she speak to you? 671 00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:26,399 She was calling me. 672 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,520 I think she wanted me to... come to her. 673 00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,240 Towards the light. 674 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,000 But there's other voices. 675 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,120 My daughter, calling me back. 676 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,599 Did you want to come back to your body? 677 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,400 Come back to life? 678 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,040 No. 679 00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,920 But I couldn't just abandon her. 680 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,920 Is that when you cried? 681 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,520 [Sally Ann softly] Hey. 682 00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,240 Drink it all up. 683 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,520 Good girl. 684 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,160 [door creaking] 685 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,400 [Sheridan] You came close to dying. 686 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,599 What do you now understand death to be? 687 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,000 What does death mean to you now? 688 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,320 I know that life... is our only true possession. 689 00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:22,040 And death? 690 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:32,880 [Anderson] I've found a murder that looks promising. 691 00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,599 Really? The right initials? 692 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,279 [Anderson] That's not the connection. 693 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,440 A law student. Susan Harper. 694 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,280 Do you think she looks right? 695 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,719 Yes, absolutely. Just a bit younger. 696 00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:47,079 [Anderson] Twenty-one. 697 00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,999 The only problem is there is someone doing time for it. 698 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,279 It's an individual called David Alvarez. 699 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,199 I... I remembered I saw his name yesterday 700 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,839 on the list of children who were in Gortnacul at the same time as Spector. 701 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,479 So I've done some digging. 702 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,879 And they are one and the same. 703 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,399 The David Alvarez who's doing time for the murder 704 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,680 is the same David Alvarez who was a fellow pupil of Spector's at the home. 705 00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:11,160 Why was Alvarez convicted? 706 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,599 His DNA on her body. 707 00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,599 A subsequent confession. 708 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,680 That's pretty conclusive. 709 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:20,920 What year is this? 710 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,160 August 2002. 711 00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:26,720 In London. 712 00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:30,880 Now, there's a gap in Spector's timeline there. 713 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:33,800 We don't know where he was... 714 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,080 or what he was doing. 715 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,120 No, we don't. 716 00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,200 [waves crashing] 717 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,640 I'll see you in the morning. Try and get some sleep. 718 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:21,360 I'll pray for you. 54840

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