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How old are you now?
96.
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Yeah, 96.
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I'll be 97 next March.
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First match I went to
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was 1931.
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I was seven.
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So 90 years of following them?
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- Up and down.
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Up and down.
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A football team
is not just a football team.
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It is something
that really brings together
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the community in a way
that nothing else does.
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There's a magic
about football...
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That's it.
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It gives people
a real sense of community
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and camaraderie
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and belonging to something
in a way that, without it,
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they just wouldn't have.
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And-and-and how dare somebody
come from outside the area
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and-and try to take that away
from people?
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[singing] Every day,
it's a-getting closer
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Going faster
than a roller coaster
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Love like yours
will surely come my way
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A-hey, a-hey-hey
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Every day,
it's a-getting faster
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Everyone said,
"Go ahead and ask her"
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Love like yours
will surely come my way
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A-hey, a-hey-hey
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Love like yours
will surely come my way
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Is it teatime for you now?
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Oh-ho-ho-ho.
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Are you hungry?
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Are you ready for your tea?
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Right, buddy,
after we finish this...
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you're not going to be able
to sit and watch telly.
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Mommy and Daddy have got
to watch something
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on the telly.
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And it's about the football.
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Some people are worried
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that Ryan Reynolds
and his friend
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are just doing it
to make money.
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So that's what people
want to know:
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why have they chosen Wrexham?
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Just to make sure
that they're--
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they're doing it for a reason
that's a good reason.
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There were some people
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who bought Wrexham Football
Club who didn't want it.
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They wanted to knock
the football stadium down.
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They wanted to knock?
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So that they could
make money.
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These are turbulent times
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for Wrexham Football Club.
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Its future is on a knife-edge
amid talks of debts amounting
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to millions
and asset stripping.
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Going back to the early 2000s,
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the football club had a number
of challenges.
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It had owners who, eh,
who-who frankly that-that
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their sole reason for ownership
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was not for the betterment
of the football club,
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and the football club
was in danger.
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For the last two years,
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this club has been owned
by one man,
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and tonight we unravel
the truth
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behind rumors surrounding
Alex Hamilton.
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Alex Hamilton was actually
the-the owner
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of the football club,
but another gentleman, eh,
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was, eh, was-was sort
of fronting the ownership
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for a while,
and-and we didn't know
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Alex Hamilton
was in-in the background.
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Two years ago,
Alex Hamilton
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bought the controlling share
of Wrexham Football Club.
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Keeping his own identity
secret,
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he installed a business
associate as chairman.
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Mark Guterman
was a controversial choice
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among fans.
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He'd already taken
local rivals Chester
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into administration
and relegated
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from the football league.
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The club was sold
to those two people,
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and their, uh, idea of what
the value of this football club
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didn't really revolve around it
being a football club.
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A former solicitor
who lives here in Cheshire,
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Alex Hamilton was struck off
by the Law Society
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two years ago for charges
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including allegations
of mortgage fraud.
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He appealed, and most
of the charges against him,
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including the mortgage fraud,
were withdrawn.
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Reinstated last year,
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Hamilton now describes himself
as a property developer.
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This was a time of, you know,
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a lot of redevelopment work
going on around the UK.
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There was a bit more money
flowing around again
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in the economy and people were
looking for opportunities.
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Small football clubs are
always financially vulnerable,
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and this has long been the case
in England and Wales.
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Wrexham were in that position now.
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They were vulnerable,
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and I think these guys
spotted that vulnerability
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and recognized
that in this big stadium site
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that you have here,
which is on the edge of town,
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it's a prime position
potentially for redevelopment.
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The Racecourse
is the premier sports ground
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in North Wales.
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The Ground has a long history,
and fans recently invested
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in its future by buying bricks
in the new stand.
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There's lots of building work
going on here.
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It's a prime site at the main
gateway to the town.
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If it had planning permission,
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the Racecourse could be worth
at least £10 million...
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just the kind of land
a property developer
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might dream of finding.
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The history,
the present,
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and the future
of Wrexham Football Club
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is interwoven
with the Racecourse stadium.
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Without
the Racecourse stadium,
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there is no Wrexham AFC.
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If the stadium goes,
the football team goes.
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So the club doesn't
currently own the Racecourse.
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We pay approximately $150,000
a year to lease the stadium.
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Moreover, the club is also
on the hook for any updates,
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refurbishments,
enhancements that we wanna do,
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and we've been able
to do a few of those.
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But what we really wanna do
is return the stadium
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to being the crown jewel
of North Wales.
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But sadly, we have an entire
stand called "the Kop"
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that is, for all intents
and purposes, condemned,
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and we can't do anything
with that
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until the club once again
owns the Racecourse...
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which is proving to be...
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difficult?
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Hey, Shaun?
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Can we get an update on, um,
where we are with the purchase
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of the, uh, freehold
for the Racecourse?
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Um, it's proving to be, uh,
a challenge.
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The-the title deeds are old.
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The Land Registry plans
aren't as clear as you'd hope.
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Um, we're just reviewing them
all to get them all together,
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and we're gonna get there
as quick as we can.
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There's nothing
that we can do to--
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to maybe to help speed it up
or-or expedite in some way?
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Well, some of these laws were
drawn up in the 1400s,
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so they-they didn't anticipate
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the pace at which people
would want to do things.
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It is frustrating,
and it's annoying
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and, uh, it's hard to--
it's hard to give you a--
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a rationale as to why
it should take this long
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other than these things do.
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I mean, I-I'm all
for due process,
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but we-we made a promise.
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It's in our original
mission statement.
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The Racecourse needs to be back
in club hands.
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Everybody wants it to be back
in club hands.
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And yet months and months
and months go by.
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And the-I-look,
my frustration
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is that we can't start
on the development process.
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Do we have a rough estimate
as to when we'll have
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some kind of answer?
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No, other than it can't take
that much longer.
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Holy...
- I mean, it's just--
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it's Kafkaesque.
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Like, we are--
we're-we're trapped.
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And what-and what's worse
is we're even on record
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since we promised it
that-that we're actually
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on with it and we've got
everything in place.
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I'm amazed we've not had any--
had any more questions
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from the public and the fans
as to why it's taking--
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why it's taking
this length of time.
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Okay, well, I guess
we'll talk later.
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Uh, bye, guys.
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Oh, he's all on his own.
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Can he make it five?
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We are, uh,
one of the oldest clubs
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in the world.
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Uh, and that's quite
impressive in itself.
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No doubt about that
in terms of Wrexham.
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The Racecourse itself
is the oldest existing
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international venue
that still hosts football.
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Better football,
better prospects
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to get what we so desire
in Wrexham.
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The name "the Racecourse"
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was 'cause the venue
was a racecourse.
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Can he make it five?
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And Jones makes it five!
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It's just been our
home for all our existence.
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When Alex Hamilton
took over the club,
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the Ground was owned
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by Wolverhampton
& Dudley Brewery.
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They leased it to the club
for £1 a year.
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The club approached the
brewery to buy the freehold.
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And the very same day
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that the brewery sold
the Ground
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to Wrexham Football Club,
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it was immediately transferred
to another company,
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Damens Limited.
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Damens is wholly owned
by Alex Hamilton.
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So the Ground
belonged to one company
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and the club
belonged to another.
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But both were controlled
by Alex Hamilton.
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Their idea
was to separate the club
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from the stadium
and then bulldoze the stadium
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and turn it into, um,
into a profit.
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So they had, um, a plan,
and it was a plan
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to basically kill
the football club, effectively.
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They took all the investment
out over a period
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so it wasn't overt initially.
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But it became apparent
that things weren't--
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bills weren't getting paid
effectively.
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The Inland Revenue
is currently charging the club
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£150 a day in interest
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on a debt
of more than £800,000.
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Earlier this year,
things got so bad
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the bailiffs were called in.
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They assessed
the club's assets
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down to the last plastic seat,
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floodlight, and lawn mower.
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If the tax bill
remains unpaid,
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those assets will be seized.
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You know, I couldn't believe
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that they would treat the fans
like that.
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It's a--
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Sorry.
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You know,
'cause we loved it so much
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and they were just destroying
it for money.
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And it was just so frustrating.
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Mr. Hamilton refused
our requests for an interview.
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We went to the Racecourse,
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where he was attending
a board meeting.
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Wales' Week In Week Out program.
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We came here...
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Asset stripping as well.
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Gop.
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Please stop and talk
to us, Mr. Hamilton.
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These are really
important issues
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we want to discuss with you.
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Mr. Hamilton
was not at the funeral.
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He was attending a directors'
meeting at the club.
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Fans were getting worried.
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They organized mass opposition
to Alex Hamilton's plans.
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He had dropped a bombshell.
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He said the Racecourse
would have to be sold
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if the club was to survive.
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Last July, he served
a legal notice on the club
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to leave the Racecourse
within a year.
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After 130 years,
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this season could be the last
that Wrexham play there.
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We will not surrender!
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The supporters rallied round
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and really fought hard.
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And I was only a kid and we
were walking round the Ground
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with-with banners
and, you know,
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just anything
to save your club.
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There was a lot of--
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you could call it
guerilla warfare really.
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It was a--
255
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a campaign that was taken
to their front doorsteps.
256
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Yeah, we did.
Mm.
257
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And so we did.
258
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The fans gathered
in the town in Cheshire
259
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just over the border,
where Alex Hamilton lived,
260
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and they marched
through the town
261
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protesting against
his ownership
262
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of the football club.
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It signaled
a declaration of war
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against the chairman.
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The very same day,
Alex Hamilton responded.
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Fans thought his actions
267
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were an attempt
to incite trouble.
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Hamilton has since
been advised by the police
269
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not to attend home matches
at his own club.
270
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In a fit of rage,
271
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he decided
that he was gonna resign.
272
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And he scrawled it down
on a napkin.
273
00:14:00,839 --> 00:14:02,623
Basically, I think,
wrote, "I resign"
274
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and signed it "Alex Hamilton."
275
00:14:05,539 --> 00:14:07,280
That was him saying,
"I want out,"
276
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and that was them saying,
"Great. Fine. Off you go."
277
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Hey, hi, hi, hi, hi.
278
00:14:16,202 --> 00:14:19,640
Have you heard
from Shaun recently
279
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about the Racecourse purchase?
280
00:14:21,555 --> 00:14:22,861
Yeah.
281
00:14:22,992 --> 00:14:25,124
Yeah, it is taking
a long, long,
282
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long, long, long fucking time.
283
00:14:27,257 --> 00:14:30,347
Um, but I also, you know,
I also recognize
284
00:14:30,434 --> 00:14:33,219
that this is not
a simple thing.
285
00:14:33,393 --> 00:14:34,786
I think the thing
that drives me crazy
286
00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,745
is that this is not a process
287
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that is in place
to protect people.
288
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In fact, the people
that are getting fucked
289
00:14:41,662 --> 00:14:43,099
are the people
that are marginalized
290
00:14:43,229 --> 00:14:44,752
that are the ones
that get fucked over
291
00:14:44,883 --> 00:14:46,015
always in these kinds of...
Rob tends to be
292
00:14:46,189 --> 00:14:47,538
a bit of a hothead.
293
00:14:47,668 --> 00:14:49,018
Rob's like-if you were
in a burning building,
294
00:14:49,192 --> 00:14:51,150
Rob is-Rob is the first guy
295
00:14:51,237 --> 00:14:52,673
who's gonna run
into that building
296
00:14:52,847 --> 00:14:55,024
and-and pull you out.
297
00:14:55,154 --> 00:14:56,590
I might look
at, like, the version
298
00:14:56,677 --> 00:14:57,591
where we all get out.
299
00:14:57,722 --> 00:14:59,376
Like, okay.
300
00:14:59,463 --> 00:15:01,552
Like...
301
00:15:01,682 --> 00:15:03,684
That window is molten lava.
302
00:15:03,815 --> 00:15:04,990
I'm not gonna run through there
303
00:15:05,121 --> 00:15:06,339
because I won't make it
to the person.
304
00:15:06,470 --> 00:15:08,037
Like, wait,
let's just take a second
305
00:15:08,167 --> 00:15:09,255
and think about this.
306
00:15:09,429 --> 00:15:10,996
So yeah.
So what I'm saying is,
307
00:15:11,127 --> 00:15:12,041
everyone would die
in my version.
308
00:15:13,912 --> 00:15:16,567
Just Rob would die in his.
309
00:15:16,697 --> 00:15:18,830
You're so much more patient
than me--you're so patient.
310
00:15:18,917 --> 00:15:21,050
I'm not so much more patient.
I just drink more.
311
00:15:21,180 --> 00:15:22,616
Is that what I need to do?
312
00:15:22,790 --> 00:15:23,835
I should just drink.
313
00:15:24,009 --> 00:15:25,402
And if you need
any, uh, any gin,
314
00:15:25,532 --> 00:15:28,753
I-I got a guy.
315
00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,495
Oh, okay. All right.
316
00:15:31,582 --> 00:15:34,846
Well... all right, I guess
we'll just keep waiting.
317
00:15:34,933 --> 00:15:36,587
We'll just keep waiting.
Um, yeah.
318
00:15:36,717 --> 00:15:38,415
Waiting is, uh,
my favorite color.
319
00:15:38,502 --> 00:15:40,591
I will, uh, I will talk
to you very, very soon
320
00:15:40,721 --> 00:15:42,288
and uh, miss ya, love ya.
321
00:15:42,419 --> 00:15:44,987
Miss you, love you,
miss you, love you, bye.
322
00:15:45,074 --> 00:15:46,205
He's too nice.
323
00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:50,166
He's too nice.
324
00:15:50,296 --> 00:15:52,081
It just-it drives me crazy.
325
00:15:54,039 --> 00:15:56,172
Not him being nice.
That doesn't drive me crazy.
326
00:15:56,302 --> 00:15:59,523
It drives me crazy
that we have to...
327
00:15:59,653 --> 00:16:01,525
just keep waiting.
328
00:16:01,699 --> 00:16:03,005
We're past the due process
329
00:16:03,092 --> 00:16:05,311
of-of protecting everybody involved.
330
00:16:05,442 --> 00:16:07,966
We're-we're, uh,
we're months past that.
331
00:16:08,097 --> 00:16:10,882
It's-it's literally waiting
for some lawyer
332
00:16:10,969 --> 00:16:12,536
to call another lawyer
333
00:16:12,710 --> 00:16:14,407
who's then gotta call
a committee
334
00:16:14,538 --> 00:16:17,541
and the committee meets
once every three months.
335
00:16:17,628 --> 00:16:20,196
And if they miss that
because someone's got the flu,
336
00:16:20,326 --> 00:16:22,328
then it gets kicked
to the bottom of the pile
337
00:16:22,459 --> 00:16:24,896
and another lawyer
has to call another lawyer,
338
00:16:25,027 --> 00:16:27,899
and in-and in the interim,
339
00:16:27,986 --> 00:16:31,076
it's the team and the town
that get fucked over
340
00:16:31,207 --> 00:16:35,994
because in-under the auspices
of protecting the club,
341
00:16:36,125 --> 00:16:38,127
it's hurting the club
because we can't do
342
00:16:38,257 --> 00:16:39,215
any renovation.
343
00:16:39,345 --> 00:16:41,434
We can't do any real updating
344
00:16:41,608 --> 00:16:42,870
because everything
has to go through this process.
345
00:16:43,001 --> 00:16:46,483
And so we have this plan
to-to revitalize
346
00:16:46,570 --> 00:16:49,442
the-the-the stadium,
and we can't do anything
347
00:16:49,573 --> 00:16:51,140
until we get this information,
348
00:16:51,227 --> 00:16:54,230
so needless to say,
I'm a little bit frustrated
349
00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,190
and Ryan is not
because he's drunk or whatever.
350
00:17:26,914 --> 00:17:28,133
But we survived.
Yeah.
351
00:17:28,264 --> 00:17:28,960
We survived.
We did.
352
00:17:29,134 --> 00:17:29,961
We survived.
353
00:18:09,566 --> 00:18:11,568
Oh, gosh.
354
00:18:14,527 --> 00:18:17,748
On one hand, the club
was in safe hands again now,
355
00:18:17,922 --> 00:18:19,924
but on the other, it's actually
quite an expensive business
356
00:18:20,011 --> 00:18:21,447
running a football club.
357
00:18:21,621 --> 00:18:23,667
It's ordinary Joes
358
00:18:23,841 --> 00:18:25,886
with whatever they can afford.
359
00:18:26,060 --> 00:18:27,453
You know, the minimum
some people are putting in it
360
00:18:27,627 --> 00:18:30,021
is £12 a year.
361
00:18:30,195 --> 00:18:32,023
You know,
some people contribute
362
00:18:32,110 --> 00:18:33,677
a lot more than that.
363
00:18:33,851 --> 00:18:36,332
Some people only put
in the minimum amount
364
00:18:36,462 --> 00:18:38,986
but then do lots
of volunteering
365
00:18:39,117 --> 00:18:41,293
and-and-and contributing
in other ways.
366
00:18:45,036 --> 00:18:47,517
Yes. Yes. Yeah.
367
00:18:55,568 --> 00:18:56,265
Yeah, pulled together
to pay wages.
368
00:18:58,658 --> 00:19:00,269
Kenny Pemberton,
locked in his house.
369
00:19:15,066 --> 00:19:16,415
Gosh, yeah.
- Gosh.
370
00:19:16,502 --> 00:19:18,374
Frankly, the club
has been struggling
371
00:19:18,504 --> 00:19:22,421
from that point onwards
to this very day.
372
00:19:22,508 --> 00:19:24,206
If the club
doesn't do so well
373
00:19:24,293 --> 00:19:26,512
and the attendance goes down,
374
00:19:26,686 --> 00:19:28,732
then the manager doesn't get
as much money
375
00:19:28,906 --> 00:19:32,301
as he was expecting to get
to invest in his football side,
376
00:19:32,388 --> 00:19:35,173
and so the football team
isn't quite as good again.
377
00:19:35,304 --> 00:19:37,306
So it's been an issue
that's followed the club
378
00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:38,829
through all the years
379
00:19:38,959 --> 00:19:41,048
that the fans have been
in control.
380
00:19:57,326 --> 00:19:58,370
Oh, God.
It's all leaking, isn't it?
381
00:20:07,988 --> 00:20:09,555
The club lost control
of the stadium
382
00:20:09,729 --> 00:20:12,689
and the club began
this inexorable slide down
383
00:20:12,776 --> 00:20:14,647
through the tiers
into this position
384
00:20:14,778 --> 00:20:17,650
that it now finds itself in,
in this fifth tier.
385
00:20:17,781 --> 00:20:21,001
So it had a-it had
a seismic impact on the club.
386
00:20:21,175 --> 00:20:23,221
I didn't see a lot of hope
under the Trust ownership
387
00:20:23,395 --> 00:20:25,223
and that's not a dig
at them because, you know,
388
00:20:25,354 --> 00:20:27,443
they've put their time in
and I respect them for it.
389
00:20:27,573 --> 00:20:29,445
So it's not a dig at them
in the slightest.
390
00:20:29,619 --> 00:20:30,663
I just didn't see
an out for the club.
391
00:20:30,794 --> 00:20:32,491
I didn't see a--
I didn't see a way forward.
392
00:20:32,578 --> 00:20:35,799
Um, a lot of fans didn't see
a way forward.
393
00:20:35,929 --> 00:20:38,889
You know, those times
were real bad, real low,
394
00:20:39,063 --> 00:20:41,065
really low because you--you
knew we didn't have the money
395
00:20:41,152 --> 00:20:42,588
to get players.
396
00:20:42,719 --> 00:20:44,895
You knew players
weren't getting paid on time.
397
00:20:45,025 --> 00:20:47,332
So it was just
a knock-on effect
398
00:20:47,463 --> 00:20:49,595
and it was-it was a terrible
time to be a fan.
399
00:20:49,769 --> 00:20:51,380
It's been...
it's been a terrible time
400
00:20:51,467 --> 00:20:52,729
to be a fan
for a long time now
401
00:20:52,816 --> 00:20:54,383
to say the truth.
402
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:55,906
Sam walked in and he said,
"You'll never guess
403
00:20:56,036 --> 00:20:57,821
who's bought
Wrexham Football Club."
404
00:20:57,995 --> 00:20:59,475
And I said, "Who?"
405
00:20:59,605 --> 00:21:00,824
He said, "Ryan Reynolds
and Rob McElhenney."
406
00:21:00,954 --> 00:21:02,304
I said...
407
00:21:02,391 --> 00:21:04,958
"As in Ryan Reynolds
408
00:21:05,045 --> 00:21:07,831
as in actor and Rob"--
I said, "I don't know him."
409
00:21:07,961 --> 00:21:09,746
He said, "Oh, yeah,
you wouldn't know him.
410
00:21:09,833 --> 00:21:11,182
Always Sunny in Philadelphia."
I said,
411
00:21:11,313 --> 00:21:12,836
"Oh, yes. Right, okay."
412
00:21:13,010 --> 00:21:14,403
Uh, I said, "You're joking."
413
00:21:14,533 --> 00:21:15,969
"Nope, that's right," he said.
414
00:21:16,056 --> 00:21:16,970
"They've bought it."
I said,
415
00:21:17,057 --> 00:21:18,537
"I can't believe it."
416
00:21:23,499 --> 00:21:25,762
Rubs off. Rubs off.
417
00:21:25,849 --> 00:21:26,458
Yeah.
418
00:21:28,721 --> 00:21:29,853
What's happening now for me
419
00:21:30,027 --> 00:21:33,073
is reward, um,
420
00:21:33,204 --> 00:21:35,075
for the-the effort
and the sacrifices
421
00:21:35,206 --> 00:21:36,425
that supporters have put into
football club over the years.
422
00:21:57,663 --> 00:21:59,099
- They better not.
- Yeah.
423
00:21:59,273 --> 00:22:00,666
You-you wouldn't cross
a Wrexham fan.
424
00:22:00,797 --> 00:22:02,973
No, 'cause Wrexham--
Wrexham fans don't forgive...
425
00:22:03,103 --> 00:22:04,583
- They don't forgive easily.
- Very easily.
426
00:22:16,334 --> 00:22:17,466
You have some news
427
00:22:17,596 --> 00:22:19,337
for us?
428
00:22:19,511 --> 00:22:21,426
Is it good news?
- Well, it is.
429
00:22:21,557 --> 00:22:24,037
After, uh, many months
of trying
430
00:22:24,211 --> 00:22:26,475
and, uh, frustration,
431
00:22:26,605 --> 00:22:28,128
I would like
to congratulate you.
432
00:22:28,302 --> 00:22:30,392
You are now the proud owners
of the Racecourse Ground.
433
00:22:30,479 --> 00:22:32,698
- Whoa!
- Yes!
434
00:22:32,872 --> 00:22:34,831
Oh, my God!
Come on!
435
00:22:35,005 --> 00:22:36,659
There we go!
436
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:38,835
Wrexham AFC
owns the Racecourse Ground
437
00:22:38,922 --> 00:22:40,793
and, uh,
you've made it possible
438
00:22:40,967 --> 00:22:43,448
and, you know, and keeping--
and keeping true to your words
439
00:22:43,579 --> 00:22:46,233
in the mission statement,
so congratulations.
440
00:22:46,364 --> 00:22:47,844
Truly, you have made it
possible--
441
00:22:47,931 --> 00:22:52,370
you, um, HK and Shaun
and-and-and Ryan.
442
00:22:52,501 --> 00:22:54,720
Like, I-I've just--
I-I hadn't--
443
00:22:54,807 --> 00:22:56,853
I lost my patience
with it so long ago
444
00:22:56,940 --> 00:22:58,507
that I had to check out of it completely
445
00:22:58,637 --> 00:23:00,160
and I just appreciate you guys.
446
00:23:00,334 --> 00:23:01,640
This is why Shaun wanted
to do it over Zoom
447
00:23:01,727 --> 00:23:03,947
is he-he wanted
to see your angry,
448
00:23:04,077 --> 00:23:05,949
scrunched-up,
sad little face, Rob,
449
00:23:06,123 --> 00:23:08,386
blossom into a smile.
450
00:23:08,517 --> 00:23:10,693
Having the oldest
international
451
00:23:10,823 --> 00:23:13,260
football stadium on the planet
under our stewardship
452
00:23:13,391 --> 00:23:15,088
is, like, both elation
453
00:23:15,175 --> 00:23:17,526
and weirdly,
I can feel an ulcer growing
454
00:23:17,700 --> 00:23:19,528
as we speak.
455
00:23:19,615 --> 00:23:21,181
Oh, have you got the email
I've just sent you?
456
00:23:21,355 --> 00:23:23,096
'Cause there is a second bit
of news today.
457
00:23:23,183 --> 00:23:24,315
Oh!
If you open--
458
00:23:24,489 --> 00:23:25,403
If you-so there you go.
459
00:23:25,534 --> 00:23:26,665
So if you want to open it up,
460
00:23:26,752 --> 00:23:29,755
they are your first
rendered images
461
00:23:29,929 --> 00:23:31,757
of the new stand
462
00:23:31,888 --> 00:23:33,759
the AFL architects
have put together for us.
463
00:23:33,890 --> 00:23:34,760
- Wow!
- Oh.
464
00:23:34,891 --> 00:23:36,632
Wow.
465
00:23:36,762 --> 00:23:40,200
That is a big-time football
stadium right there.
466
00:23:40,331 --> 00:23:42,202
That is a--
- And that's just one stand.
467
00:23:42,333 --> 00:23:43,639
That's just "the Kop" stand.
- Yeah.
468
00:23:43,769 --> 00:23:45,205
So-so what would be
the next stand
469
00:23:45,379 --> 00:23:46,119
that we would do?
- Ugh, give him an inch,
470
00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:47,425
he'll take a mile, Shaun.
471
00:23:47,556 --> 00:23:49,122
I'm so sorry about--
472
00:23:49,209 --> 00:23:51,211
Wait, when can we--when can we
show this to the public?
473
00:23:51,385 --> 00:23:54,693
Uh, I need to go through the
Council with Levelling Up Fund.
474
00:23:54,780 --> 00:23:57,566
We probably need
to warn a couple of people
475
00:23:57,740 --> 00:23:59,785
at the Council
it's coming out,
476
00:23:59,872 --> 00:24:02,005
and then we can arrange
a public launch
477
00:24:02,135 --> 00:24:04,573
and I think it'd be really
useful to do that
478
00:24:04,747 --> 00:24:06,009
because you have
to have a pre--
479
00:24:06,183 --> 00:24:08,881
uh, a pre-application
consultation period--
480
00:24:09,012 --> 00:24:11,449
A pre-application
consultation period?
481
00:24:11,580 --> 00:24:12,668
More bureaucracy, I know.
482
00:24:12,798 --> 00:24:14,931
But at least--
- It's incredible.
483
00:24:15,018 --> 00:24:16,889
Let's just put it out.
Let's just put it out.
484
00:24:17,020 --> 00:24:18,021
Let's just put it out.
At least, at least--
485
00:24:18,195 --> 00:24:19,805
no, don't just put it out yet.
486
00:24:19,936 --> 00:24:22,112
We-I'll-I'll give you the--
I'll give you the nod
487
00:24:22,242 --> 00:24:23,679
when you can put it out.
- Incredible.
488
00:24:23,853 --> 00:24:24,941
Thank you, Shaun.
Thank you for that great news.
489
00:24:25,028 --> 00:24:25,942
Pleasure.
That is so neat.
490
00:24:26,029 --> 00:24:27,683
We're putting out the video.
491
00:24:27,857 --> 00:24:28,597
We're putting out the video,
we're putting out the video.
492
00:24:28,727 --> 00:24:29,728
Bye, love you, love you, bye.
- Oh, boy.
493
00:24:29,815 --> 00:24:31,382
- Okay, bye.
- Bye, bye, bye, bye.
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